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New preview promises “Revenge”

A new preview began airing today on HBO, according to reports, and was later located on HBONederland’s youtube channel. The promo is only fifteen seconds long, but includes extended shots of scenes from previous trailers, and most intriguingly, a new shot of Melisandre speaking to a dark-haired young man.



Ours is the Fury: If the man with Melisandre is whom many believe him to be, this promo may confirm a suspicion that’s been developing for months- that the book character of Edric Storm is being replaced with a character more familiar to the show’s viewers.

117 Comments

  • Can’t wait for the Hound-Beric duel!!!! It looks SO amazing!
    and it seems that the theory of gendry replacing edric storm could be true :O

  • but I am going to get really pissed if there’s some weird Gendry/Melisandre relationship crap what is that nope

  • Up until about a month ago I was the type who wanted the show to be exactly like the book, so I can sympathize who those will be annoyed that Gendry takes Edric’s place. But much like Ms. Westerling, unless Gendry plays a big role later on (which I doubt- they can’t ALL play big roles in the last two books), I don’t think it matters all that much. I’m just hopeful Melisandre travels alone, because having Stannis running all around Westeros would be a little silly. The Dragonstone folk barely do anything for the first half of Storm of Swords anyway.

  • pntrlqst,

    Doubt it, why would she need another shadow baby without the storm’s end subplot? Now seducing him to come with her? That makes sense.

  • Oooohhhh, I can just TASTE the rage from the book fans about this Gendry change and I love it. Makes no sense whatsoever to complain about this when it makes the show so much better for it.

  • Makes sense that the lovely Carice Van Houten is featured heavily in an advertisement aimed at her countrymen; she’s an even bigger star back home, I’m sure. Can’t wait!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • The Hound’s shield is on fire! Just like the books!

    I’ve never really been able to understand why, but Beric Dondarrion vs The Hound excites me to a preposterous degree.

    With regards to Gendry, why would Mel want to make a shadow baby with Gendry? I assumed Gendry would be the sacrifice, like Edric in the books. Magic eh? Doesn’t make any sense!

    Then again, it does make fiery battles all the more epic. ;)

  • Set Dingleberry,

    It was really just code for they have sex. Although Fire and Blood was saying that Stannis was pleading to make another with her to kill Joff and Robb, and she was like “You’re not strong enough, but BRB.”

  • Mosh,

    Have to see how it all plays out on screen but if there are two characters that could have their storylines changed/omitted and it make no difference to the overall story at least at this point, it’d be gendry/edric storm

  • Melisandre’s lips are moving in the clip–I dearly hope she isn’t saying “death is coming for everyone and everything” in the moment. That would be quite…awkward.

  • pntrlqst,

    I think she may just be seducing him in order to lure him back to Dragonstone. I’m not sure what purpose another shadow baby would serve, unless they have it kill Balon?

    I’m going to discuss a scene in the upcoming season. So don’t read the spoiler text if you don’t want to spoil the episode.

    FABio stated that there is a scene where Stannis tells her he wants to create a shadow baby to kill Joffrey. She tells him that he can’t make any more shadow babies, but that there is another way to kill him, however, it will require a sacrifice.

  • pntrlqst,

    Oh I see, well if FaB actually saw it on screen that’s interesting, I guess that would replace the sacrifice subplot from SoS, slightly more interesting and dramatic plotline than burning leeches I guess, man are some people gonna be pissed though lol

  • MATTHEW,

    I know! Maisie’s lines that we’ve heard so far are so uncannily like how I imagined Arya saying them in the books, I can’t wait to watch it full!
    “KILL HIM”
    “BURN IN HELL”

    so pumped

  • Maria,

    Makes more sense than an Arya-Gendry pairing, especially if you’re Gendry. He wants a woman, not a little girl. I’d certainly do whatever Carice/Mel asked me, especially if she was topless.

  • Maria,

    I liked the idea of them switching Edric with Gendry, it was logical and gave Gendry more of a storyline where he’s sadly absent in the books, but I sincerely hope they don’t have a relationship, it would ruin Gendry’s character for me, I think.

  • Maria,

    Gosh I know how will the show survive without Davo’s thrilling rescue of edric storm and Gendry’s incredibly compelling off screen adventures with the BwB

  • I think Melisandre would classify as a hot date. That said, I would warn Gendry about starting a relationship with her: she is liable to return to her old flame and often uses sex as a weapon.

  • This doesn’t mean we wont have the leech scene. Remember, Davos saves Edric Storm/Gendry from Mel so they are going to have to find another way to do the ritual for Balon/Robb/Joff

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I mean in terms of their characters, I don’t like it. Gendry wouldn’t even have sex with pretty whores at the inn the BWB stayed at, I doubt he’d climb into bed with a strange priestess women he’s just met. It’s an adaptation, I get that, but it’s staying true to the characters that I’m worried about.

  • facelessarya,

    yeah that was my point. It just seems OOC of him, especially after what happened in the Peach with the BwB. A whore comes up to him, and he refuses her. I think it ties in with being a bastard and not wanting to father more bastards. I don’t mind him taking Edric Storm’s plot, I just don’t like the invention of him having an affair with mel. It just seems out of character.

  • facelessarya,

    Honestly Gendry is a pretty flat character in the books, beyond that Mel isn’t a common whore, she’s a powerful sorceress, I just don’t see this really effecting a character with very little emotional depth. It’s just gives a good and popular actor somthing to do without introducing a menagerie of uninteresting characters and a subplot that to this point has gone nowhere in the books.

  • Seriously, though, there is no affair. Melisandre is just seducing him. I doubt they go all the way. Maybe a little head, but that’s it. As you say, Gendry doesn’t want to father no bastards.

  • Turncloak,

    I’ve seen the entire season don’t ask me how, instead of the RW, another shadow made by Gendry and Mel comes in and murders Robb, also a shadow puppy kills Grey Wind and in E10 stannis asks Mel where the puppy came from and she looks ashamed…

  • Turncloak,

    I think Davos won’t save Gendry until season 4. They’ll let him stew in Mel’s clutches for a bit. Now that I think about it, this could well be the scene where Mel leeches Gendry’s blood.

    In other words, I hope that Gendry will be a like for like replacement for Edric in terms of his role in the plot – at least for now. If that’s the case, his fate will still be undecided come the end of season 3.

  • Maria,

    Glad you feel me bro. They can change plots and whatnot if it’s fitting, but when they change the characters and their inherent traits, I get a little picky.

  • Timmen,

    Or maybe he was just forging a sword and she disrobed in front of him. More likely he’ll refuse her if that’s the case.

    No matter what I’m very excited to see Gendry’s story fleshed out and cannot wait to see how it develops.

  • facelessarya,

    I get what you’re saying and respect it, but there are ways this can be done without changing any of Gendry’s relatively thin personality, ie Mel is a sorceress and compels him and or he is forcibly made to do said act

  • Can’t believe season 3 is nearly here! I want to celebrate, I’ve searched high and low for Ommegang’s Game of Thrones beer, but have had no luck. Has anyone in the Jersey area found it yet? Any local interest groups hosting premiere parties?

  • guys there not gonna make any bad changes, they know what they are doing and will make a sick story line out of it. once we see it on screen we will be like ohhhhhhhhhhhhh I see I almost forgot how freakin AMAZING the show is and the ppl working on it

  • Josla:
    Timmen,

    Or maybe he was just forging a sword and she disrobed in front of him. More likely he’ll refuse her if that’s the case.

    No matter what I’m very excited to see Gendry’s story fleshed out and cannot wait to see how it develops.

    Pretty much exactly what I thought. I doubt They’ll do anything sexual.

  • Brendan,

    I just saw that preview on HBO, it was longer than this one, and had a longer clip of this Melisandre scene. Haven’t found it online yet either.

  • Hmm, the possibility that there is actually other male actors with short black hair in GOT other than Gendry… I don’t think it is Gendry, more likely another one of Davos’ sons or someone else in Stannis group. I mean if this is a preview of one of the episodes (REVENGE) then logistically it doesn’t make sense, since we can clearly see Gendry with Arya in the same episode… during the big fight scene.

    Also Gendry also has facial hair in the clip, the other male is clean shaven.

  • While I’m all for more Joe Dempsie screen time (this change in plot could really grant him that) I find it a terrible shame that he won’t meet Brienne. I think something important had to come from Brienne meeting him and Gendry saving her life

  • VB:
    Also Gendry also has facial hair in the clip, the other male is clean shaven.

    There is such a thing as shaving.

  • cassandra munoz,

    There is no reason Gendry can’t return to the Brotherhood once Davos helps him escape. And I really don’t see anything coming from Brienne thinking to herself that he looks like Renly. The boy is an unknown bastard. I seriously doubt he ever becomes anything other than a blacksmith in the books.

  • Yeah I’m sure GRRM has somthing planned, but this change in plot doesn’t necessarily mean that later book plot can’t be worked in, if there even is anything planned for it in the book. Remember that D&D have a much better understanding of future plot developments than we do, and I doubt they change anything that will significantly alter later events, at least for characters that are integral to whatever end game GRRM has planned.
    cassandra munoz,

  • My promo pitch: If Christ rises on Easter Sunday and sees his shadow, Winter is Coming.

  • VB:
    Hmm, the possibility that there is actually other male actors with short black hair in GOT other than Gendry… I don’t think it is Gendry, more likely another one of Davos’ sons or someone else in Stannis group.I mean if this is a preview of one of the episodes (REVENGE) then logistically it doesn’t make sense, since we can clearly see Gendry with Arya in the same episode… during the big fight scene.

    Also Gendry also has facial hair in the clip, the other male is clean shaven.

    That’s what I thought too, but then I saw this pic:
    http://25.media.tumblr.com/4e7b4483618d44ab69fcd789701aadd9/tumblr_mkger3Hf8Q1qj32s7o1_500.jpg

    It’s Gendry.

  • If that’s going to happen my theory would be melisandre will try to seduce gendry to her cause and then BwB with Thoros and beric will save him and after that he will ask them to make him part of BWB

  • ann,

    I doubt they’d spend the time creating this new developement without Mel returning with Gendry. At the very least she will get his blood.

  • ann,

    yes, just because she’s “irresistible” doesn’t mean he will bang her. He may reject her, and either stay with the brotherhood or be kidnapped by her. maybe she’s not even trying to seduce him, maybe she’s just caressing him while they’re both naked O_o that makes no sense, lol. but it may. who knows

  • Daemon,

    It doesn’t matter if he plays a big role later or not, Gendry could sit on the Iron Throne in the end and this change still wouldn’t matter because Edric doesn’t die, he escapes. Whatever GRRM has planned for Gendry can still happen in the show.

  • Gendry subplot with Mel would be fun. but how on earth would he spirit away to dragonstone or she to the woods? Seems like a lot of burnt screen time to pull of that caper.

  • Anyone notice how you can’t spell ‘Baratheon’ without THEON, and you can’t spell ‘thrones’ without THEON? This proves the Theon is ‘The One’ , which you can’t spell without THEON. That being said, the PW will def happen this season and Theon will take on the role of Ramsay.

  • Why cant Mel keep a king’s blood blood bank? And how is she going to get to the riverlands? Teleporting? Or Flue Powder?

  • Virtus,

    Lol yea I was going to say, she will just use the Littlefinger teleport after a missing episode or two. And yea the Riverlands might be totally overrun with outlaws and deserters and completely unsafe to travel for a beautiful woman alone, but um… she exploded them with sorcery offscreen or something.

  • Just a thought… Ugh so many changes I hope they can still deliver Season 3 with the same impact ASoS had

  • Speaking of dutch promos, I got this in my newspaper yesterday.
    http://kdenn83.tumblr.com/image/46657520092

    And since this is my first post here (longtime lurker) and I am a non-book reader(I only read the first book),
    I would like to say thank you to everyone here for trying to keep this website spoiler-free.
    Cause I just love throwing things at my tv.

  • Wow, Maisie’s “KILL HIM!!” nearly killed me! The fury and anger in Arya’s voice is just screaming out. The Mel and Gendry thing looks interesting.

  • Yup, that’s Gendry! Can’t wait to see what they managed to do with his story…

    1 day left people!!! I would say that Winter is coming, but truly, Summer is coming, faster since we’re moving to the summer time. Prepare your watches people! Game of Thrones is coming an hour earlier!

  • On that Gendry thing:

    Everything is better than the theory that Stannis might end up considering to sacrifice his own daughter. If they stick to the plot of the books, we’ll only get to the leeches in season 3. Stannis does only honestly start to consider killing somebody – and that only for dragons, not for the death of anyone – when Balon, Robb, and Joffrey are dead. And Joffrey is not going to die in season 3, it seems. Perhaps even Balon will survive until the beginning of season 4. I’d use his death as catalyst to start the Kingsmoot plot. In the end, Davos is going to save Gendry before Stannis can make up his mind about killing him. Instead of spiriting him away to Lys, Davos could merely get him back to Westeros proper, where he could rejoin the Brotherhood Without Banners.
    If they do it right, a subplot around Gendry getting to know his uncle Stannis and cousin Shireen could become interesting. Edric Storm never learned that his uncle considered to sacrifice him. They could stuck to that.
    As to why Gendry ends up going with Mel: In the books he honestly converts to R’hllorism after joining the Brotherhood. Considering that Mel is most likely only arriving there after the Hound has made off with Arya (if Mel could claim Arya along with Gendry, Stannis may not need to get rid of Robb), Gendry could already have become a follower of the Lord of Light.
    The one thing I’m skeptic about is the relationship between Thoros and Melisandre. In my opinion, these two come from very different schools of the same faith, and I’m not sure that and/or why Thoros would condone what Melisandre is doing…

  • The Kingslayer:
    shit they are using Gendry instead of Edric…

    yeah, and i love it. a (surprisingly?) smart move :D
    i hope we will really have some Gendry-Stannis interaction. Gendry’s dumb stubborness and Stannis bitter mood and humor can give us some weird funny moment :D

    yeah, i love differences between books and show. when i wanna read the books, i read the books. when i wanna watch the show, i watch the show. i could try to read the show and watch the books, but that sounds quite a bit pointless :)

  • Both Mel and the boy are naked in that clip, and it doesn’t really look like Gendry to me. But who knows?

  • So that revenge line a nod to

    Season 4? Shame because it always felt like he was using reverse psychology on Tyrion when leading him out of Kings Landing.

  • Plot predictions – Gendry fulfills the role of Edric Storm almost perfectly right up until Davos rescues him from Stannis and Mel’s clutches. After that, where is an exile bastard boy to go? Well what about those charming outlaws he already met? There might even be a chance to save a certain female warrior from a certain and gruesome death!

  • i am not a book reader. if this is gendry then it would be shocking that they have sex, and thats the aim of the show. she probably uses some magic to force him to ;) LOL

  • I think it much more sense to take Gendry to Dragonstone rather than introducing Edric Storm. Gendry’s an established character and people will care about what happens to him, Edric Storm doesn’t do much even in the books. Doesn’t bother me at all that they have replaced him.

  • Maybe Mel gets Gendry to go with her to dragonstone with some kind of sexy magic? It seemed to convince Stannis quickly enough…

  • Obviously he is replacing Edric Storm. Great choice by the crew, more actors and subplots we don’t need to cover a Storm of Swords. Gendry goes to Dragonstone, everybody is afraid he dies (since he is already an established character) and then Davos rescues him (makes us like Davos even more) and he goes back to the BwB…so even if he does do something of importance in Book 6/7 he is exactly where he needs to be by then. Only way this majorly fucks up the story is if Edric Storm is suddenly important in book 6/7, but since they consult with Martin himself, I doubt that.

  • @Lord Varys: Agreed. Except I expect Balon to die in Season 3 because we saw that clip of Asha/Yara marching past guards in the Iron Islands.

    KingJon:
    Anyone notice how you can’t spell ‘Baratheon’ without THEON, and you can’t spell ‘thrones’ without THEON? This proves the Theon is ‘The One’ , which you can’t spell without THEON. That being said, the PW will def happen this season and Theon will take on the role of Ramsay.

    Wow! And also, if you ask the question, who’s arse will be last on throne you get:

    THRONES = THEON RS

    It is known.

  • KingJon:
    Anyone notice how you can’t spell ‘Baratheon’ without THEON, and you can’t spell ‘thrones’ without THEON? This proves the Theon is ‘The One’ , which you can’t spell without THEON. That being said, the PW will def happen this season and Theon will take on the role of Ramsay.

    No chance of the PW this season.

  • OT: Does anyone know if the Arboretum Trsteno appeared in the first 4 episodes? And what it stands for? Thanks.

  • On Asha: We saw her with some soldiers, yes, but we do not know that this happened on the Iron Islands. It could have been the North, for all we know. I don’t see what Asha should do back home this soon. Especially with the Theon situation unresolved.

    Asha could prepare an attempt to free Theon as soon as she finds out what has happened to him…

  • Hooking up with Mel? OOC? OK, if it gets Gendry’s shirt off, it works for me. (Just don’t kill him off.)

  • I will be kind of surprised to see Balon killed this year. It makes more sense to do it next year as a point to introduce the Greyjoys. In fact I think it would make a pretty good opening scene since its sort of mysterious

  • people need to stop getting their panties in a bunch about plot changes. whatever the writers have planned for us has been cleared with martin. it keeps the cast from growing and filling up with throwaway, meaningless characters and also keeps us and millions more thoroughly entertained. it’s time people accept the fact that it is different than the books already and its working out just fine. complaining about how you are worried about a minor plot change in a show that’s already had plot changes and is watched by millions of viewers just seems kind of egotistical.

  • Gendry and Melisandre? A bit OOC… Not too happy if they replace Edric with Gendry, I mean how’s he supposed to get to that inn where Brienne is and save her. I mean she does think he’s Renly for a second….Dammit I just don’t want them to miss out Edric. Also he’s a lot younger than Gendry, I mean he’s like Shireen’s age in the books I think.

  • Fran:
    Gendry and Melisandre? A bit OOC… Not too happy if they replace Edric with Gendry, I mean how’s he supposed to get to that inn where Brienne is and save her. I mean she does think he’s Renly for a second….Dammit I just don’t want them to miss out Edric. Also he’s a lot younger than Gendry, I mean he’s like Shireen’s age in the books I think.

    He doesn’t save her till Feast anyways so they can have him with the Brotherhood by the end of season 4/start of season 5

  • Baihu1983: He doesn’t save her till Feast anyways so they can have him with the Brotherhood by the end of season 4/start of season 5

    But him and Edric being put into 1 character makes sense for the show. George has most likely told them Edric is not important to the later books and viewers already know Gendry and they have the main thing in common, Both Roberts Bastards.

  • The fact that Gendry saves Brienne later is completely irrelevant. Gendry is completely irrelevant as a character after he leaves Arya. By having him stepping in for Edric they keep him in the story. The whole setup of this change is most likely pretty stupid since I can’t imagine a realistic way how Mel should reach the Brotherhood all by herself.

    But it’s still much better than the alternative scenario many have been tossed around: That Stannis is going to consider sacrificing his own daughter! That would completely kill the character. I’m so glad that they did not go down that road!

    As to Brienne: I’d be surprised if they keep the Biter-Gendry-Brienne scene in the show. It’s a possibility if Rorge and Biter show up as Locke’s men in season 3, I guess. But I’d not count on it. All they need do is allow Catelyn to capture Brienne and her companions in season 5 or 6.

    But anyway, Gendry can return to the Riverlands after Davos saves him from Mel. That’s always an opportunity. But I’m pretty sure Gendry and Edric are never going to become important characters in the books, either.

  • Lord Varys,

    If this goes as discussed, at least they used another one of Robert’s bastards as a substitute for his bastard Edric Storm!

    This is one book change I have absolutely no issue with since I never was an Arya and Gendry shipper and didn’t I think Gendry would ever end up anywhre near the Iron Throne…. or of any importance for that matter.

    Hells, maybe after Gendry returns to the Riverlands and saves Brienne from Biter ad the rest he can go questing with her to find “her sister”. That would keep Gendry around even longer.

  • mr drogo,

    Because she isn’t looking for Arya, she’s looking for someone with Kings Blood, and Gendry is obviously the person that the fires showed her.

  • Aegon Librarian,

    actually, in a recent panel about a week ago, George was asked if D&D had to confirm changes with him, and George said no, that he trusted them. Then he let out a nervous almost forced laugh and said, although there are some characters that are dead this season who are alive in book 5, and vise versa. So, no, sadly they don’t confirm anything with him. But like he said, he trusts them…

    didn’t seem too convincing though.

  • I am slightly concerned about the leeching scene. Gendry has to still be there for the duel, but get back in time to have the leech scene before the RW/Balons Death.

    The duel being in episode five, they have to make the entire journey back, have the sacrifice plot line set up, and have the Leech scene all in 3 episodes.

  • TheDashingDuckling,

    I suspect that if they go that route they’ll play fast and loose with the timing. We don’t know for sure how much time elapses between episodes but I’d guess that they can stretch it a bit. Depending on in which episode they make the Edmure-Roslin arrangements there could be months in between that and the RW, leaving them plenty of time to do their leechy thing on Dragonstone. Weddings don’t plan themselves, you know!

  • The leech scene can easily be in episode 8 or so. It means nothing, since it does not actually trigger any event. After all, Mel has the death of the kings in the flames and is merely trying to make Stannis believe that she caused them. And I’d be surprised if Balon did actually die this season…