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The second critics spot airs

Our loyal reader Darq(emode) has caught the second critcs spot for the season on his DVR. Thanks! Enjoy it here:

Hear Me Roar: Again some new shots, and again they are epic. I cannot wait to see them embedded snuggly in their respective episodes! No need for any more previews as far as I am concerned.

173 Comments

  • I bet the shot of Jon at Queenscrowd, from above, falling down on him is when Orell’s eagle will attack him. We have seen him with face-scars in some interviews, I’m sure it the eagle attack !

  • Major question:

    What is Catelyn doing right before the end of the trailer?

    I can’t tell if she’s slapping someone, or slicing someone’s throat. Because if she was trying to slice someone’s throat, that isn’t really a reliable position to do it in. Can the Tumblr page have a gif of that so we can analyze it better?

  • At 0:04, inthat shot of the bats, that looks like Sam and Gilly escaping. It looks like it will be really creepy!

  • I have to admit I was worried they would give some of Cat’s moments in the RW to Tulisa which would have annoyed me since I’m a big Cat fan. I’m glad it seems the RW will go as planned and I can’t wait for 8 more weeks to watch it.

    Oh and Cat looks fierce as she is slapping whoever (hopefully Roose)

  • And in that shot that looks like Cat is slapping someone, the head could be Edmure? Maybe it’s after the mistake he makes…

  • do you guys think coldhands will make these season? if so, how would he be on tv? a cgi person, an actor with make up?

  • Michel:
    do you guys think coldhands will make these season? if so, how would he be on tv? a cgi person, an actor with make up?

    I’m pretty sure it’ll be an actor, with maybe a mask or heavy makeup. Hopefully they keep his elk too.

  • I wouldn’t go as far as saying those ravens 100% confirms Coldhands, but I’m leaning towards that IS Coldhands.

    Could just be someone walking near them and scaring them off.

  • The North will never forget! I guess that will be Tyrion and Tywin talk in the season finale after certain events!

    I would love Cat slapping Roose but when does that happen on the books???

  • Everyone is loving the ravens and all (I do too), but I’m more excited to see friggin Jorah Mormont go badass this season in Astapor.

    Haven’t seen the Bear fight in a while, about damn time!

  • I wonder How will be the the Kartark been a traitor thing in the series? Because Alton Lannister already died in S2

  • Michel:
    do you guys think coldhands will make these season? if so, how would he be on tv? a cgi person, an actor with make up?

    It’s a safe bet. One of the earlier trailers appeared to have the scene where Bran, Jojen, and Meera are hiding at the Night Fort when Sam suddenly appears.

  • Michel:
    I wonder How will be the the Kartark been a traitor thing in the series? Because Alton Lannister already died in S2

    He’s been growing discontent with Robb ever since his son Tohren was killed last season during Jaime’s escape attempt, and moreso after Cat set Jaime free. He was even in the first episode this season acting belligerent to Roose.

  • Michel,

    The Karstark betrayal in ASOS is nothing to do with Alton Lannister. Robb captures 2 young Lannisters (technically one is a Frey) Willem Lannister and Tion Frey. Rickard Karstark and some of his men murder the boys in their sleep. To show that he did not order the deaths Robb decides he must execute Rickard.

  • Thank you thank you thank you! I looked for this last night, but couldn’t find it, so was hoping it would be here this morning. (My search ended up fruitful in its own way–one of the places I looked was HBO Go, and I caught the first episode of Vice, which was brilliant. Watch it if possible.)

    Catelyn…like D’Arcy, that shot gave me chills. Same with Tyrion’s line. Am anticipating and dreading everything about the RW in equal measure, and the miniscule glimpses or nods they’ve given us have only added fuel to the fire.

    Question, though–I don’t know if this has been discussed, so my apologies if the subject has been beaten to death already, but is there a reason why the episode guide lists episode 29 as airing on June 2nd, not May 26th?

  • Isabelle:
    Thank you thank you thank you! I looked for this last night, but couldn’t find it, so was hoping it would be here this morning. (My search ended up fruitful in its own way–one of the places I looked was HBO Go, and I caught the first episode of Vice, which was brilliant)

    Catelyn…like D’Arcy, that shot gave me chills. Same with Tyrion’s line. Am anticipating and dreading everything about the RW in equal measure, and the miniscule glimpses or nods they’ve given us have only added fuel to the fire.

    Question, though–I don’t know if this has been discussed, so my apologies if the subject has been beaten to death already, but is there a reason why the episode guide lists episode 29 as airing on June 2nd, not May 26th?

    I guess because of Memorial Day Weekend? HBO is an American company so it makes sense.

  • Nice Cat slapping a Frey. I seriously need to re read ASOS, totally forgot about that part. Also GRRM has officially confirmed that Strong Belwas has been cut from the series. U can find this on the WiC tumblr

  • Not so sure the ravens confirm Coldhands. Sam and Gilly seem to be running towards the same forest the WW is stalking them through. Wouldn’t make sense to have Coldhands and the WW appear at the same time.

  • I gave it my best shot. It’s hard for me to understand some of it.

    Sam: The night is gathering. It’s coming for all of us.
    Tyrion: The Northerners will NEVER forget.
    Melisandre: This war of 5 kings means nothing.
    Daenerys: I’m a liberator, a conqueror. (I think)
    Tormund: (We’re?) Finally going to war.
    Summer: *growl*

  • ebevan91,
    Seriano,

    Ah–that makes sense. I don’t like waiting the extra week, but it makes sense. They’ll want to maximise their audience for that particular episode especially. Thanks!!

  • A Secret Baratheon: Which is just painful as we have to wait an extra week for the Red Wedding! :-(

    I know. Waiting 1 week between episodes is bad enough. But hey at least it isn’t as bad as waiting in between seasons, or even worse, the books.

  • ExCITing!

    Re the RW;
    *tingles* & *shudders* in equal measures, I can’t wait but I’m also angst ridden, reading it was awful enough but I know for me that seeing it will be utterly gut-wrenching despite knowing it’s coming. God knows how the unspoiled viewers are gonna react, worse than the Ned execution I’d bet. So I’m conflicted…but in a bittersweet way

  • ebevan91: I know. Waiting 1 week between episodes is bad enough. But hey at least it isn’t as bad as waiting in between seasons, or even worse, the books.

    True. Any wait for the show is nothing compared to the agony of waiting for The Winds of Winter…

  • A Secret Baratheon: True. Any wait for the show is nothing compared to the agony of waiting for The Winds of Winter…

    I feel like I’ve been waiting for years for TWoW but I just started reading the series last year and finished in December. So really it has only been a few months. I feel sorry for the people who had to wait for books 4 and 5.

  • Thank you for loading a Gif of the Catelyn slap into the Tumblr feed.

    I am confused: my *hope* is that it’s Catelyn slapping Robb when she finds out he married in secret, ruining their alliance to House Frey (this slap not being in the books)

    I don’t have it on hand: when did Catelyn ever slap someone during the red wedding?

  • Silverstormm:

    ExCITing!

    Re the RW;
    *tingles* & *shudders* in equal measures, I can’t wait but I’m also angst ridden, reading it was awful enough but I know for me that seeing it will be utterly gut-wrenching despite knowing it’s coming. God knows how the unspoiled viewers are gonna react, worse than the Ned execution I’d bet. So I’m conflicted…but in a bittersweet way

    We may need to have a moot or podcast devoted to group therapy. This episode is probably going to mess with people a bit.

  • The Dragon Demands:
    Thank you for loading a Gif of the Catelyn slap into the Tumblr feed.

    I am confused:my *hope* is that it’s Catelyn slapping Robb when she finds out he married in secret, ruining their alliance to House Frey (this slap not being in the books)

    I don’t have it on hand:when did Catelyn ever slap someone during the red wedding?

    Edwyn Frey. She grabs his arm and realizes he has on mail and what that means. She slaps him so hard, she busts his lip open. Then things turn to sh**…

  • The Dragon Demands:
    Thank you for loading a Gif of the Catelyn slap into the Tumblr feed.

    I am confused:my *hope* is that it’s Catelyn slapping Robb when she finds out he married in secret, ruining their alliance to House Frey (this slap not being in the books)

    I don’t have it on hand:when did Catelyn ever slap someone during the red wedding?

    Catelyn grabs Edwyn Frey arm and felt the mail underneath his clothes and then slaps him but he doesn’t do anything just keeps walking.

  • Hey WiC, I saw those stills on the tumblr page, where did those come from?

    There’s a bunch of the ones I’m talking about, The Hound, Asha, Mormont, Roose, etc.

  • Please,
    STOP releasing any of those videos !!!!!
    I can’t handle it… :(
    I wish I could just lay under a rock for 9 weeks and then see the whole season in one time.
    Oh, wait , then I’ll have to wait another year for season four !
    Oh , wait then I,ll have to wait who knows how many years for tWoW ,
    Oh, wait …. A dream of spring !

    Ahhhhhhhh !!!

  • Hodor:
    Is there any discussion forum for GOT? (apart from Westeros.org and IMDB)

    Tower of the Hand and Television without Pity

  • Does anybody know if season 3 will include leeches or are they going to skip that?

  • Ebevan91:

    “Tower of the Hand and Television without Pity”

    Thanks, but Tower of the Hand doesn’t have a forum, only a blog with entries that people can respond to (like WiC). That’s not what I’m looking for: I’m looking for a traditional forum with threads, like Westeros.org. I’m quite surprised to see that Westeros is the only fansite with discussion forums.

    Television without Pity: This site has a conventional forum, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of activity there, and it’s not a dedicated fansite. It reminds me a bit too much of GoT’s IMDB forum.

    If a site like Tower of the Hand had a discussion forum, it would be perfect. The problem with the Westeros.org forum is that it can take days or even weeks before new threads are greenlit (if the thread is greenlit at all), and there’s too much censorship and lots of unwritten ‘rules’.

  • OH!! So many chills!! Cat :”( and the ravens!
    and yeah that line of tyrion has me wondering if it isn’t from the same scene from another trailer where he is opening with a horrified face some chest. wonder if robb’s head or something won’t be there or grey wind’s coat.. feels horrible just writting this.. sorry if the theory has already been mentioned

  • What do you think will play during or after the red wedding? Wouldn’t the national’s version of rains of castamere sound odd having a voiced over music be the Q to start. Or you think it will be a violin version or something?

    Personally I think the SADDEST music to play wouldbe Winterfell from S2, considering it is basically the King in the North music but way sadder. Imagine the RW episode ending with the music starting at 1:00 and going into the credits..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0X_wP0vMc

  • ebevan91:

    “Then westeros.org is your best bet.”

    So, in other words, there’s no other GoT-fansite with a dedicated forum? A pity, thanks anyway :)

  • Hodor:
    ebevan91:

    “Then westeros.org is your best bet.”

    So, in other words, there’s no other GoT-fansite with a dedicated forum? A pity, thanks anyway :)

    I haven’t come across any. Though there are other forums unrelated to GoT that have dedicated threads for the series. You just need to search deeper.

  • Timmen,

    Rains of Castamere will be sung by Gary Lightbody i am guessing but not in the credits . He will be a minstrel in the show with the band backing him.

    I would end with “Victory doesn’t make us Conquerors”, “Kill them all”, “King of the North” or “Goodbye Brother”.

  • Timmen,

    I picture drums, like absolutely thundering drums, and just chaos. Northmen dying, Grey Wind whimpering, Robb getting hit with quarrels, then Grey Wind freaking out. Catelyn’s devastated face, so by now viewers are like ‘NO!!!’. Then… Catelyn gets knocked to the floor by people fighting and Walder stands up and… Silence… We see Catelyn making her way to that dagger, hear Robb grunting and writhing in pain and in the background Grey Wind howling. When Arya hears Grey Wind, she starts to cry and run for the gates…

    Damn, I’m getting chills already.

  • Caro H: f it isn’t from the same scene from another trailer where he is opening with a horrified face some chest. wonder if robb’s head or something won’t be there or grey wind’s coat.. feels horrible just writting this.. sorry if the theory has already been mentioned

    Oh my gosh… that would be HORRIBLE…!!! A nice, gory, but fitting twist, yes, but HORRIBLE…!!! I wouldn’t be able to bear it, I was barely able to keep it together reading about the head switch… I’m not even sure if I want that to happen in the show or not…

  • Caro H:
    OH!! So many chills!! Cat :”( and the ravens!
    and yeah that line of tyrion has me wondering if it isn’t from the same scene from another trailer where he is opening with a horrified face some chest. wonder if robb’s head or something won’t be there or grey wind’s coat.. feels horrible just writting this.. sorry if the theory has already been mentioned

    Oh my gosh… that would be HORRIBLE…!!! A nice, gory, but fitting twist, yes, but HORRIBLE…!!! I wouldn’t be able to bear it, I was barely able to keep it together reading about the head switch… I’m not even sure if I want that to happen in the show or not…

  • Caro H:
    OH!! So many chills!! Cat :”( and the ravens!
    and yeah that line of tyrion has me wondering if it isn’t from the same scene from another trailer where he is opening with a horrified face some chest. wonder if robb’s head or something won’t be there or grey wind’s coat.. feels horrible just writting this.. sorry if the theory has already been mentioned

    Oh my gosh… that would be HORRIBLE…!!! A nice, gory, but fitting twist, yes, but HORRIBLE…!!! I wouldn’t be able to bear it, I was barely able to keep it together reading about the head switch… I’m not even sure if I want that to happen in the show or not…

    And my last comment had a spoiler, I’m so sorry guys, I hope it’s been deleted…

  • I for one I’m really dreading this scene. Last year I was actually anxious to get to it…when I think of it now I already get nauseous. I don’t think there ever has been a scene like this on tv, I don’t want to know the reaction of the people who actually stay unspoiled

  • Timmen:
    What do you think will play during or after the red wedding? Wouldn’t the national’s version of rains of castamere sound odd having a voiced over music be the Q to start. Or you think it will be a violin version or something?

    Personally I think the SADDEST music to play wouldbe Winterfell from S2, considering it is basically the King in the North music but way sadder. Imagine the RW episode ending with the music starting at 1:00 and going into the credits..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0X_wP0vMc

    I think King in the North is the perfect track for Robb’s death: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oth_nFcbK-Y
    0:42-0:44 Jaime Lannister sends his regards
    0:45 stab to the heart
    0:47 sword twist
    0:50 Cat screams in despair
    0:51-0:52 Roose pulls his sword off Robb’s chest
    0:53 Robb falls on his knees in slow motion and dies

    Epically sad :'(

  • Hey everyone, can anyone think of a time in the show when they have mentioned the unwritten rule of guests’ rights (i.e. eating the food of the host as a way of keeping peace)? I think that is a pretty important part of the RW – giving Cat false sense of security.

  • What’s going on at 0.11?? Is that a Stark banner just before the horse jumps the fire? Could this be the Hound outside the RW? If so then it’s another major set piece moved to night time!

  • ebevan91,

    HBO is airing the Liberace movie starring Matt Damon and Michael Douglas on 5/26, that is why there is a delay between episode 8 and 9.

  • Nezzer,

    That’s absolutely perfect, and I can envision it so well…I actually feel sick thinking about it though.

  • Nezzer,

    Um, the ‘Reynes of Castamere’ is what should be playing during the final scenes. Especially the drums.

  • Blaat: I for one I’m really dreading this scene. Last year I was actually anxious to get to it…when I think of it now I already get nauseous. I don’t think there ever has been a scene like this on tv, I don’t want to know the reaction of the people who actually stay unspoiled

    The Unsullied reaction is going to be EPIC! I personally cannot wait to read all of the whining and pissed off posts. I believe that episode will change the face of premium television; even more so than this entire show already has. EPIC, I tell you!

    gleefully rubbing hands together

  • Dark Star:
    HBO actually has a TalkForum for all of it’s programming, but it leaves ALOT to be desired. So much so, that they gathered a focus group of existing users to assist in putting together a new Talk Forum.

    I hope you told them to ditch Flash … oh, the horror.

    To the guy asking for a forum: Go to Westeros. You won’t find anything better ATM.

  • thisone,

    Ugggh! I do not enjoy Westeros at all. If you don’t tow the party line, you are gonna hear about it. I do not like to be told what my opinion should be. They are not particularly friendly to new posters over there, either.

  • Dark Star: … hopefully they actually use our suggestions when the new site rolls out.

    Do “[y]our suggestions” include “just go to WiC.net?” Or, “just pay the guys at WiC.net (at least $250) to run the thing?”

    Come on. THIS. *waxing Ryan Seacrest* Is the best GoT fansite.

    WE. At House Gatewatch ALWAYS SUPPORT THE BOTTOM!

    Oh … Highgarden!

  • There’s one small detail that’s bothering me. The shot with Daenerys holding drogo by a chain leash, to me was done wrong. She goes from city to city freeing slaves but puts her dragon in a chain leash? It seems out of character for her. In the books she let’s tem be free and it eventually leads to…other thing happening. I’m curious to see how it plays out…

  • Dark Star:
    thisone,
    Ugggh! I do not enjoy Westeros at all. If you don’t tow the party line, you are gonna hear about it. I do not like to be told what my opinion should be. They are not particularly friendly to new posters over there, either.

    I see. Well, I’ve heard similar concerns but haven’t encountered anything unpleasant there yet. I tend to visit the the two sites for different needs. I do enjoy the comment section on WiC, but sometimes the critics get criticized before they’ve even criticized. I’ve seen threads littered with posts that anticipate all the criticism soon to come. That can get tiresome as well. And, of course, it’s very easy to go off topic (like we just did), unless you want to dig up dead threads.

    However, WiC is my sole source for GoT news. And I love the enthusiasm.

  • Is it me or is Carice more gorgeous than even last season if that could ever be possible; she is one red hot woman;)

  • tysnow:
    Is it me or is Carice more gorgeous than even last season if that could ever be possible; that is one red hot woman;)

    She seems to be.

  • tysnow,

    It’s Carice, not you…she’s hypnotic, sultry, beautiful. I can’t picture anyone else in her role. She is Melisandre.

  • Loving the fact the wall climb appears to be as epic or even more so than in the books, and I like the scope of the shot showing the rocky hills with the Wall constructed upon them, aka Hadrian’s Wall, which I hopefully shall be visiting in three or four weeks, weather permitting.

  • THISONE
    P>However, WiC is my sole source for GoT news. And I love the enthusiasm.

    I concur!

  • thisone: To the guy asking for a forum: Go to Westeros. You won’t find anything better ATM.

    if you are lucky enough to catch it on an HOUR when their servers actually work

  • I was rewatching the first episode and realized something- I think the Shae/Sansa scene was sort of a subtle shot at the hardcore fans. Watch the scene again only pretend Sansa is D&D and Shae is book purists. The scene kind of has a totally new meaning when viewed that way.

    Sansa (D&D) is saying if you don’t change things (in the book) a la that ship is from Dorne the truth (the show) will be either terrible or boring. But Shae (Book purists) doesn’t care and won’t play along and thinks if a ship(way it is in the book) is from volantis then one should just say the ship is from volantis. Even Ros’ line watch sansa with Littlefinger (D&D with littlefinger) followed by shae (book purists) saying I always do, has a totally different meaning. Its a very clever scene. viewed that way

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Nezzer,

    Um, the ‘Reynes of Castamere’ is what should be playing during the final scenes. Especially the drums.

    Aye, but I think that with that track it would be more shocking and epic. I get goosebumps just by picturing it in my head the way I described it =D

  • I am imagining it being set to Rains of Castamere:

    1. Everyone goes quiet, Bedding is announced. People start filing off, notably certain Freys and Robb stay. Things start to go quicker and quicker, Catelyn notices the bride crying, suspicious activity.

    2. General music starts going faster and faster, Robb is talking away, not noticing what is going on.

    3. Cat grabs whatever Frey, slaps him, Music keeps going. Louder than the dialogue.

    4. Just as it seems to reach it’s climax. the gate to where they took the Bride and Groom for the bedding slams shut. For a split second everything seems to freeze and go quiet.

    “And who are you, the proud lord said”

    5. Robb turns around. In that instant Catelyn realizes whats happening. Slow shot of musicians drawing crossbows.

    “That I must bow so low”

    6. First crossbow bolt hits Robb with a dramatic thud (corresponding with the word must), he drops to his knees(with another thud as he hits the ground, corresponding with low).

    “Only a cat of a different cloak, that’s all the truth I know”

    7. Fighting is breaking out, another bolt hits Robb. Catelyn is in shock.

    “in a coat of gold, or a coat of red”

    8. Slow motion now, corresponding with gold it shows Walder. Corresponding with Red it shows Robb, blood steaming down his chest, bolts stuck out of him.

    “A lion still has claws”

    9. Timed to claws, another dramatic thud, third bolt hits Robb.

    “And mine”

    10. Shows Walder

    “Are long, and sharp my lord. As long and sharp as yours.”

    11. Shows Robb dying, bloody. More fighting, bannermen dying, cat screaming, ect.

    12. More fighting throughout the chorus, shots of the outside, Catelyn making her way towards Walder.

    13. Northmen burst in, wearing Bolton armor. Cat thinks they are here to protect them. They position themselves around Robb as if to protect him, but notably keep their distance and don’t help him. They still seem to be protecting him though until one of them kills Smalljon (or whoever) as he attempts to get close to Robb.

    14. Walder rises, music stops, dialogue between Him and cat.

    15. Music resumes, Catelyn screams, back into slow motion as Roose emerges, full armor and cape.

    16. Emphasizes Roose’ approaching robb. Drums and music going full swing. With “And now the rains weep ore his halls, with no one there to hear” it shows burn’t out ruins of Winterfell at night, in the pouring rain.

    17. as it comes to the last lines:

    “Yes now the rains weep ore his hall”

    More abandoned Winterfell, Roose approaching. Stops a step away from Robb.

    “With not a soul to hear”

    music stops, everything is silent for a second, then:

    “Jaime Lannister sends his regards”

    Roose stabs him in the back, and twists the sword.

    18. Leaves slow motion, cuts to Catelyn shrieking. The rest of the scene ends with her killing Jinglebell and such.

  • Dark Star,

    I don’t mind TWoP at all. The discussion seems to move at a good clip – so much that it takes me and hour+ of reading to catch up after a day at work (more on the days just after an episode airs). Also, the Completely Unspoiled Sprculation thread is brilliant.

  • Oh I am going to be a crying mess at the RW and aftermath! Especially with them delaying the episodes by a week, I have a lot going on in June. I’m already dreading it…. I wish they were just keeping the normal schedule

  • TheDashingDuckling,

    When you write a long post like that with numbered items, you have to do the spoiler coding on each individual section or it won’t take. Next time a post full of spoilers is hanging out there like that when you can’t edit, use the Contact email link up top, right below the WiC logo to let us know so a mod can fix it for you.

  • TheDashingDuckling,

    I really like your ideas (well, as much as one can “like” ideas about the impending deaths of beloved characters). They will have to incorporate the Rains of Castamere somehow, if for no other purpose than to make it plain that the Lannisters were involved. One of the most galling things about the RW for me in the book was that it was the Lannisters one-upping the Starks, as opposed to say the Tyrells or Greyjoys, and in such a duplicitous way, too–it went against the “natural order of things” somehow, even though, yes, it would be simplistic and wrong to write off one House as the “good guys” and the other as “bad.” The song will run salt in the wounds caused by all of the other awful parts of the RW.

    I just hope that they don’t end the episode with a shot of Tywin Lannister looking pleased with himself. I think I’d smash something. They can save that for the final episode.

  • I just remembered, who the hell is that Tom Brooke guy? I think anyone forgot to ask FaB about him been in the first 4 episodes..There some other actress that we didn’t get their roles too.

    (Burn Gorman is playing a renegade NW)

  • Michel,

    Tom Brooke is playing one of the Freys. Burn Gorman is a member of the NW that is part of the mutiny at Craster’s keep.

  • Michel,

    Tom Brooke is playing Lothar Frey. Charlotte Hope and Stephanie Blacker’s roles are the only ones still clouded in mystery.

  • Hi-Fi,

    Nice, and in the same article I found that Stephanie is Violet (who?), and appears in an episode directed by Michelle MacLaren, who directs ep 7 and 8.

  • Michel,

    Actually in an interview with Alfie Allen, there was this list of new cast members, their pictures and their roles, and for that Stephanie girl, under her picture there was the name “Val”, and Charlotte had the name “Myranda Royce”.

  • I hope the second episode is longer. The first one felt short for a premiere, even after they announced that the third season was going to have longer episodes.

  • Daenerys: I’m a liberator, a conqueror.

    It’s good to see the show is keeping Dany as obnoxious as she is in the books.

  • Winter Is Coming,

    Are they going to show Coldhands? Or perhaps show him as a figure in black with no real identity? Many folks, including myself, as they read the books believed him to be Benjen. If that theory is true, they would have to keep his face hidden or have it distorted or disfigured. Can’t wait to see.

  • KingJon,

    One of the Children of the Forest says to Bran that “They killed him long ago”.. So it’s unlikely that Coldhands is Benjen.

  • Hodor,

    So, in other words, there’s no other GoT-fansite with a dedicated forum? A pity, thanks anyway :)

    We have a pretty active forum: wicgeeks.com. Most of the people there are regular commenters here and we also have a chat. You are very welcome to join. :D

  • Hi everyone.

    I for one am gleefully thrilled that D&D have opted to skip the Memorial Day airing of the RW episode. I bet they were as gobsmacked as we were when the ratings for “Blackwater” came back last year and they were the lowest damn ratings of any episode of the season! So yes, they learned their lesson. Besides, they’ve been dreaming of putting this scene on screens since the day they read the books. They’ll want to maximize the viewership tuning in. It’s a brilliant coup. The absence of GoT the week before will draw in more viewers due to high anticipation and viewer withdrawal (heh).

    I echo the sentiments regarding the Unsullied viewers. Can’t wait to visit the Spitball Wall the day after that episode airs. Heehee!

  • Zod,
    Oh no no no!… Just an innocent question hoping someone has a believable theory about his fate. He was a very likable character and although improbable I wish he were alive (or at leasr be coldhands)

  • sunaeryn: It’s good to see the show is keeping Dany as obnoxious as she is in the books.

    It was probably edited in the preview. I bet she actually says: “I’m a liberator, not a conqueror.”

  • Josla,

    Oh, OK.. sorry for the misunderstanding, then. ;)

    I have no idea what happened to him, really.

    Here’s what GRRM said in an interview, though: “And what lies really north in my books—we haven’t explored that yet, but we will in the last two books.” … So, maybe we’ll find what happened to him once we’ll get there. ;)

  • Tom Brooke is playing Lothar Frey. We first reported that here.

    Summer Is Coming: Val

    Sorry, that’s not quite correct.
    Blacker is confirmed to be playing a character called Violet. Hope is playing a character called Myranda, who is unlikely to be Myranda Royce. Hope appeared in a trailer disrobing with another woman, and given the timing of her appearance, she probably is just a small character who they borrowed the name Myranda for. The Allen interview probably based their post on speculation from sites like WiC.

  • I think people make too much of “long ago” and that it isn’t meant to be particularly important or analysed so much. The key thing is that the character is technically dead.

    CH is going to be tricky. The whole person-hiding-their-identity thing is so much easier to pull off on the page. You can get Barristan Selmy out in the open quickly and it doesn’t matter a great deal but CH’s identity needs to be kept under wraps. If he is who most people think he is then they will probably have to hold off using the same actor in case people pick it. It’s not like they can be credited anyway without giving the game away. Just get an extra who is a similar size, show a shadowy silhouette of a man on an elk with perhaps a close up of his black hands and leave it at that, for now.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Sorry then. But Iwan Rheon is playing “Boy”, so… who knows? And I know what scene you are talking about, and it looked like Cersei disrobing her. But that girl didn’t look like Charlotte Hope. I guess since we know that LF is going to the Eyrie this season, she can still play that character in LF’s arc. We shall wait, and we shall see.

  • msd: that it isn’t meant to be particularly important or analysed so much.

    I’m not analyzing it at all… I’m just reading what is written.

    Several months isn’t “long ago” (especially in the mouth of a Child of the Forest), hence why I don’t see how Coldhands could be Benjen.

  • Summer Is Coming,

    Not only did Hope confirm it but if you look at photos of the woman in the trailer and Hope’s headshot- they look exactly the same. I did a photo comparison when the trailer came out because some mistakely believed it to be Roslin Frey.

  • msd,

    If I remember correctly he wore a scarf around his nose and mouth and a cape over his head partially covering his eyes. It may work if they do it that way I think

  • zod,

    That wasn’t especially aimed at you, just a general comment about the fact that a lot of people focus on those two words and invest them with a lot of significance.

  • msd,

    I don’t think it’s insignificant when a Child of the Forest uses the phrase “long ago.” They live hundreds of years. A couple years is not long ago. It’s reading the text, not overanalyzing. Also, I don’t know anyone even in our world who would refer to two years ago as “Long ago” in anything but a joking/ironic way.

  • zod: I’m not analyzing it at all… I’m just reading what is written.

    Several months isn’t “long ago” (especially in the mouth of a Child of the Forest), hence why I don’t see how Coldhands could be Benjen.

    That’s assuming the children of the forest are not full of it. Which in this series would not surprise me