Synopses of episodes 306-308 revealed
By Ours is the Fury on in Rumors, Speculation.

SpoilerTV has leaked the synopses for episodes 306 through 308, confirming some new twists to the story and hinting at others. We’ve hidden the synposes after a break, as they contain spoilers.


Episode 3.06 – The Climb
Tywin plans strategic unions for the Lannisters. Melisandre pays a visit to the Riverlands. Robb weighs a compromise to repair his alliance with House Frey. Roose Bolton decides what to do with Jaime Lannister. Jon, Ygritte and the Wildlings face a daunting climb. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Alik Sakharov.)

Episode 3.07 – The Bear and the Maiden Fair
Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai. As Sansa frets about her prospects, Shae chafes at Tyrion’s new situation. Tywin counsels the king, and Melisandre reveals a secret to Gendry. Brienne faces a formidable foe in Harrenhal. (Written by George R. R. Martin; directed by Michelle MacLaren.)

Episode 3.08 – Second Sons

King’s Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together. Dany meets the Titan’s Bastard. Davos demands proof from Melisandre. Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Michelle MacLaren.)

Ours is the Fury: It was clear from the trailers that Melisandre would be meeting with Robert’s bastard and the Brotherhood, but it sounds like Gendry may actually become aware of his royal parentage, unless the summary is misleading. “Older gentleman” is an interesting way of describing Coldhands, but not inaccurate, I’d say.


276 Comments

  1. Sky Aero
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Sounds good!

    Can’t wait to watch everything!

    + confirmed Gendry = Edric

  2. Jamb0
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor.

  3. The Flayed Man
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m getting very hyped for the conversation between Roose and Jaime. Hopefully there’ll be a huge amount of subtext, and it will be the first scene in which Roose figures as a prominent force, rather than simply providing counsel or as an expository tool.

  4. Javi Marcos
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    The older Gentleman should be Coldhands, but he may be Jojen (he is called Grandfather)

  5. MedievalFantasy
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Coldhands!!!

  6. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Hey WIC, Jack Gleeson tweeted you the other day asking to help him spread the work to fans that he has a twitter but got no response. You should retweet one of his tweets so more fans know he has a twitter because he deserves more followers.

  7. Virtus
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    “Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman”

    That must be Coldhands!

  8. Omar Brown
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Hoooooboy! The plot thickens!

    Seems Mel has borrowed Littlefingers teleporter this season! Or does she use a shadow teleporter?

  9. WildSeed
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    yeah, it sounds like this may be the case……….

  10. Kyrion
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Its Coldhands, we saw the ravens already in a featurett or a trailer.

    I Reckon they will run into Bran/Rickon Episode 10. Their stories will end with Sam allowing Bran across the wall and leading them to Coldhands

    So yeah, seems like Brans ADWD storyline will defintely be in Season 4 rather than Season 5. Might be light on their storylines next season, especially if the cliffhanger in ADWD that were left off on is REALLY important and George wants to wait for his book comes out before its revealed(like if Jojen truly was sacrificed for Bran to enhance his powers, and that Bloodraven is truly helping the others or not…)

  11. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    I love that the scene in the previews that everyone has been freaking out about between Melisandre and Gendry is in the GRRM written episode.

  12. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    How would they not meet coldhands, until episode 8. Long time since I read the book, but what will they be doing for those four episodes?

  13. Wolfswood
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    An older gentleman, huh?

    Will Coldhands treat them to tea and crumpets?! I’m hoping so.

  14. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    There’s no way so far to know if that actually is Jack Gleeson. He hasn’t tweeted a photo with his twitter URL or anything that celebrities usually do to verify their identity and he hasn’t been verified by a fellow cast member or anything.

  15. Nic
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Brienne facing the bear: can’t wait, it’s gonna be awesome

  16. Stephanie
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    They dont have to be in all the episodes. They could split up any of those scenes so they dont appear in every episode like they’ve been doing with other stories in the two we’ve seen thus far.

  17. Turri
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Tywin plans strategic unions for the Lannisters.

    Wild guess: Sansa-Tyrion wedding, offering Dorne a seat on the small council, not replying to Balon’s alliance offer

  18. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    COLDHANDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So ansious!

  19. Ivey West
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    Nothing to say that we’ll see them for most of those episodes. My guess is they might appear in only one episode between their departure from Craster’s Keep and Episode 8.

  20. GG
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Everyone says Sam & Gilly are gonna meet Coldhands but am I totally off base for thinking it’s gonna be Maester Aemon they meet? Saying it’s an elderly gentleman seems to suggest we see his face. Thus, they would have cast Coldhands(unless the show is gonna reveal his identity before the books do).

    I already know the Sansa/Tyrion scene is gonna be 1 of faves of the season. Sophie has really been killing it lately. Although I am quite disappointed that they’re going to reveal their wedding 2 eps before hand. I always hoped they’d reveal it fromSansa’s perspective, i.e. they’d say they were gonna marry her off but we wouldn’t know it was Tyrion until she enters the Sept

  21. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Yea, the fact that no other cast members have acknowledged him on there is suspicious now that I think about it.

  22. Brian
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Looks like the Sansa/Tyrion wedding isn’t going to be a surpise at all if even the description reveals they “spent the night together.” I hope there’s no endless scenes of Sansa and the awful Shae talking about it.

  23. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Yeah, Jack Gleeson is not on Twitter, sadly. There are accounts impersonating him, though, like the ones for Emilia Clarke and Peter Dinklage. Would be so great if these actors joined Twitter!

  24. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    “Dany exchanges gifts with a slave lord outside of Yunkai.”

    What is his name? I don’t remember..was that character cast?

    -

    About Coldhands, do you guys expect an extra with very makeup and mask or a known/big actor that HBO hide from all of us? That would be epic.

  25. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    Sam still has to slay the White Walker before he meets Coldhands. I think Sam the Slayer is in episode 7 because the guy who played the white walker in the S2 finale is credited to be in that episode this season.

  26. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I love that the scene in the previews that everyone has been freaking out about between Melisandri and Gendry is in the GRRM written episode.

    Doesn’t mean anything, scenes are moved from one ep to another

    I like the change but I very much doubt it was his idea or that he wrote the scene…

  27. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Biggest surprise for me is that Dany’s already in/at Yunkai in ep 7. I thought they might stretch Astapor to end of S3, especially if Meereen is written out (not on map). These synopses are so yummy! Filled with treats and delights and excitement and wonder!

  28. Silverstormm
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I don’t think Meereen will be written out personally. I don’t get why people are saying that? What will Dany do next season if not go to Meereen?

  29. Daemon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    I always assumed Mel was gonna reveal Gendry’s parentage, how else would she explain why a stranger from far away showed up specifically to bang him?

  30. See Lemoncakes
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Re: Mel in Ep. 7, if he loathed the change-I doubt they would put it in the Ep. With his name on it. Curious about the BWB and their allegiance though!

  31. Lord Varys
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    When it was revealed that Mel would meet Genry it was pretty clear that she would also tell him about his father. The fact that he may actually have a family back on Dragonstone may be the very reason why ends up accompanying Mel.

    As to the proof Davos demands: That will lead to the leeches, and then subsequently to the final discussion whether Gendry should be sacrificed or not. But hopefully this will only take place in season 4, after Joffrey’s death.

  32. Turri
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Davos demands proof from Melisandre

    Probably leeches scene. A bit too close to RW for my taste.

  33. Virtus
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Fiona:
    Biggest surprise for me is that Dany’s already in/at Yunkai in ep 7. I thought they might stretch Astapor to end of S3, especially if Meereen is written out (not on map). These synopses are so yummy! Filled with treats and delights and excitement and wonder!

    Not being on the intro’s map doesn’t mean anything… Harrenhal wasn’t on the map on Season 1 and Astapor wasn’t on the map on Season 2.

  34. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    @Ours is the Fury , I feel so dirty now ! Ha ha ! Thanks for that honey , I love a good tease.

  35. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how will be the synopsis and the promo for 3×09, it would be very difficult to show something without spoil for the non readers that the RW is a TRAP!

  36. Barista Selmy
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Daemon,

    Whenever that has happened to me, the lack of an explanation has never bothered me.

  37. Hounded
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    I really hope they have the bit where Jaime and Roose sit down and talk. Two of the most fascinating characters in the whole series.

  38. Watson
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    So Melisandre visits the Riverlands after the Hound is judged by the gods.

    Could be interesting.

  39. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    The wording “meet” suggests that it’s a first time meeting, and certainly Sam knows Aemon already. If the synopsis said “meet up with,” then I might consider Aemon. I think we’ll see the Slayer scene in ep 7 because Ross Mullan is playing the White Walker in ep 7 as someone else mentioned, and then we’ll see the Coldhands/escape scene in ep 8.

  40. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Not sure what the spoiler brackets are here so I’ll try and be as vague as possible…regarding to what the synopsis for episode 9 could be “Robb arrives at The Twins for the wedding of Edmure Tully…Arya and the Hound cross a river on their way to The Twins…Jon makes a big decision regarding his allegiances” the end…those would be the only story lines I’d want in that episode…I could even lose Jon at Queenscrown

  41. sunspear
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    “Shae chafes at Tyrion’s new situation.”

    I wonder if this is what they’re going for to give her an excuse for betraying him at the trial/being found in Tywin’s chambers later on.
    (Or is it too early to be established?)

  42. The Dragon Demands
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Well thankfully this finally shoots down the theory that the entire Slaver’s Bay storyarc was going to be condensed, so that Astapor was the ONLY city in Slaver’s Bay. This confirms Yunkai will come too.

  43. Villane
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I would think the Slayer scene would happen with his brothers around him in one of the next two eps before Mormont’s death. If they’re going the book route with the “Sam the Slayer” stuff, some night’s watch peeps need to see him do it. I also seem to remember that Sam will be in 6 eps this season. He was in the last two, next week’s teaser, and surely “Now his Watch has Ended.” Definitely in Ep. 8 and then probably meeting Bran and Co. that we saw in one of the previews in Ep.10. So, that’s six. Can’t remember the post where it said Samwell in six eps, but it was on this site. Of course, the adaptation could change anything at any point.

  44. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    I’m very interested about Theon fate from episode 5 to 10, since the whole escape thing happens in 3 episodes (3, 4 and 5) and not the whole season (as expected).

    Since the leeches are in episode 8, and episode 9 will probably only show the Starks and Jon (I think), I don’t think Balon death will happen in episode 10, and that scene from Yara isn’t on his funeral as guessed, so I guess they are going to invent some Yara scenes trying to find Theon.

  45. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    The scene with cat doesn’t change her character at all…she says she was GOING to ask Ned to legitimize Jon…not that she DID…she went on hating him just like in the books…she just felt guilty asking for the god’s to kill a baby

  46. We do not Hodor
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Fiona:
    Biggest surprise for me is that Dany’s already in/at Yunkai in ep 7. I thought they might stretch Astapor to end of S3, especially if Meereen is written out (not on map). These synopses are so yummy! Filled with treats and delights and excitement and wonder!

    I’ve always felt season 3 would fade to black on the slaves flooded out of Yunkai shouting Mysha! I reread through book 3 shortly after the episode titles were released I was on that chapter and got chills as I saw that play out (in my mind) on screen.

  47. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    True, He is not the showrunner so it definitely wasn’t his idea and he may not have written that scene but that fact that it is in his episode will help cut down on the bitching about it since there is a chance he may have written it. I’m glad they found a way to keep Genrdy in the story this season.

  48. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Gilly could be the witness to Sam slaying the White Walker. I don’t think it matters too much in the end though it would bother some.

    I feel like we’ll see the “Mhysa!” see very late in the last episode, but the ending will be Cat’s resurrection as Stoneheart.

  49. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m delighted to learn that Melisandre will reveal to Gendry that King Robert was his father. Can’t wait to see his reaction. And especially to see Arya’s reaction. So since they’re combining Gendry and Edric, does that mean Gendry will definitely go to Dragonstone? I hate the idea of him and Arya being split up, but I guess that’s inevitable :’(

  50. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Villane,

    The Nights Watch is at Crasters next episode. Sam the Slayer is going to be after they leave Crasters. It is going to happen at a different point in the story in the show than it did in the books.

  51. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Do you guys think that if the last scene of S3 is Uncat, we will see her in S4 with some created scenes or just when she meets Brienne?. I hope they invent something, because I like Michelle Farley (but hate Catelyn), and it would give more screen time for Paul Kaye (Thoros) and Anguy.

  52. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I do hope some NW members will witness Sam the Slayer and live to (literally) tell about it. It’s a big development for how his “brothers” view him.

  53. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I think by the time Gendry discovers who is him, Arya is already with the Hound in the woods

  54. Brian
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    QueensCrown

  55. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Did you mean “by the time Gendry finds out who he is”?

    Michel:
    Fiona,

    I think by the time Gendry discovers who is him, Arya is already with the Hound in the woods

  56. Matt
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    It will probably be super vague like “Robb and Catelyn attend a wedding.”

  57. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    The Loon: I could even lose Jon at Queenscrown

    The trailers sure seem to point to a Queenscrown event or something similar – Jon being pressured to kill a strange man while wildlings and Ygritte look on. No?

  58. telobsidion
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    I lol’d at “older gentleman.”

  59. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    Yeah sorry, my native linguage is not English! :P

  60. Matt
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Each season has ended on some supernatural cliffhanger (Dragons in S1, White walkers in S2) so it is quite possible that Lady Stoneheart will be the cliffhanger for S3. Not only is it incredibly supernatural, but it will at least give a little consolation to the fans who will still be seething after Ep9. I reckon the final scene will be Beric at the river, sacrificing himself to resurrect Cat and her opening her eyes, and probably letting out a scream. Cut to credits.

  61. We do not Hodor
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Gilly could be the witness to Sam slaying the White Walker. I don’t think it matters too much in the end though it would bother some.

    I feel like we’ll see the “Mhysa!” see very late in the last episode, but the ending will be Cat’s resurrection as Stoneheart.

    Dammit, I forgot about that. Yeah, that’s probably right.

  62. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Pas de probleme, Michel. I just wanted to make sure I understood what you meant.

  63. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I didn’t mean lose it all together…just keep it out of that episode

  64. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Gendry and Arya were going to split up this season anyway. Once the Hound takes Arya after his duel with Beric, Arya and Gendry are apart and remain that way as of the end of ADWD. I would think that Gendry departs with Mel before Arya is taken by the Hound–but both will happen right around episode 6 or 7. By providing Gendry with Edric Storm’s role, he gets more screen time on the show (as opposed to his barely being mentioned in the books once Arya is taken by the Hound).

  65. Jen
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Wondering how often Theon is going to show up since he’s never mentioned in any synopses in season 3, but he is obviously showing up :)

  66. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    Genrdy will go to Dragonstone but he and Arya get split up in the books anyway.

  67. Zack
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I’m hoping that if they do end on Stoneheart, it’s at the very least done as in the book. It’s too good a scene to change.

  68. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Would be great if the Lady Stoneheart reveal is done with her ordering the killing of the same Frey she slaps at the RW (who I am assuming will be the same one that slits her throat).

  69. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Most people will probably disagree, but personally Ii think the whole ninth episode should be RW, nothing else. We could expand it by having a nice actual wedding ceremony scene, even make it a bit of a fake out if the show goes heavy with the foreshadowing. Make it seem like something will happen as the actual wedding happens. They could also expand arriving there, Arya and Sandor, and the battle in the camps outside.

  70. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Also Ours is The Fury’s pick for last scene in season 3 I hope is wrong…I want some time to pass between ep 9 and that event to not make it look like the show just brings characters back and for the impact of that character being gone can resonate across westeros for a while…I see that more likely as the end of season 4…keep with the time frame for the reveal in the book

  71. old fan
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Surprised when I saw that George had written this – had assumed he wrote the 9th episode (climax) again.

    So what does this suggest for Gendry’s role in the books? That he is of no importance to the story, thus allowing the tv writers to change things all around?

    They butchered one of my favorite book Arya scenes :~( Arya/Harwin

  72. Lars
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Matt:

    Each season has ended on some supernatural cliffhanger (Dragons in S1, White walkers in S2) so it is quite possible that Lady Stoneheart will be the cliffhanger for S3. Not only is it incredibly supernatural, but it will at least give a little consolation to the fans who will still be seething after Ep9. I reckon the final scene will be Beric at the river, sacrificing himself to resurrect Cat and her opening her eyes, and probably letting out a scream. Cut to credits.

    Yep, this is exactly how I see it as well. They definitely like the shocking supernatural reveals as cliff-hangers.

  73. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    If the timeline that appears to be falling into place is accurate (Sam/Gilly meet Bran and company under the Nightfort at the end of this season), one unfortunate fact will be that, without another serious diversion from the books, Natalia Tena won’t be back on the show for quite a while. Also, given that event happens at the very end of ASOS, I’d agree that they would have to accelerate Bran’s ADWD storyline. But, most of us (I think) believe that AFFC/ADWD content will last through Season 6. So, what in the seven hells is Bran going to be doing for three years worth of TV shows? Originally, I had thought the meeting at the Nightfort would not take place until Season 4 and I guess that could still be the case but it is starting not to look that way.

  74. ebevan91
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    I wonder how will be the synopsis and the promo for 3×09, it would be very difficult to show something without spoil for the non readers that the RW is a TRAP!

    They could pull it off, name most of the events that occur in the episode, then they could just put “Edmure’s big day.” or something like that.

  75. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    My idea is just to reveal Stoneheart same as the books. You hear rumors of this woman and Freys being hanged all through season 4, then at the very end, have Merret(is that the right one?) going to ransom the other one. Approaches brotherhood camp, sees others hanging, is judged by a hooded woman who can’t talk correctly without clutching her throat, and finally end it with him being hung as the woman takes off her hood. Fade to black.

    Showing the resurrection scene would be really hard, and just come off bad.

  76. Clabog
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I just want to say how freaking excited I am that Michelle MacLaren is directing eps. 7 & 8. The content in these two episodes sound like they’ll be amazing. And if people have already been praising this season’s more cinematic approach, I think MacLaren is really going to knock it out of the park.

    Sidenote, I love everything the writers are doing with the Boltons this season.

  77. Virtus
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    They already made a conscious change in favour of keeping Osha with Bran earlier. Why would they suddenly decide to split up, especially since beyond the Wall there is no chance of Boltons capturing the princes? I think Maester Luwin’s words to Osha in episode 20 imply that she will stay with Bran: “you may need to protect them from your own kind.” Furthermore, when GRRM was asked what he’d do differently if he were writing the books from the beginning, I believe he answered that he’d use Osha more.

  78. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    old fan,

    It doesn’t suggest anything about Genrdys importance or lack of importance in the books. I don’t why people keep saying stuff like this, they act as if the show is about to kill off Gendry.Edric escapes in the books and so will Gendry. After he escapes he can go right back to Westeros.

  79. MrsWun
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Hmm, a shadow teleporter?!? Now I can’t get the vision out of my head of Mel seducing Bones McCoy onto the Painted Table. Har!

  80. Lycanthropist
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    old fan,

    I actually thinks this gives more importance to book Gendry.

    Since he disappears from the books after his split with Arya, save for his fortunate timing with Brienne, one might think that Gendry’s arc is all but done. However, considering that D&D need to make room for new characters whenever they have the chance, I think its worth noting that they ARE keeping him around AND increasing the relevance of his character by connecting him to Stannis, who becomes prominent later in the series.

  81. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    Are you English?

  82. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Hello everyone. Long time lurker, first time poster. I got a bit tired if the negativity at Westeros.
    It’s pretty exciting that we get to meet Coldhands. I thought they might be putting it off until next season. Will we find out if he is actually undead Benjen?
    I’m not sure how to feel about Melisandre and BWB meeting. It could be a clever way to condense the Edric plotline and maybe introduce more info about the religion and the Azor Ahai prophecy. On the other hand, it could turn into this season’s missing dragon debacle. Hopefully it at least happens after Arya and the Hound escape.
    Is anyone else in the path of winter storm Walda? How fitting that such a terrible depressing spring snowstorm is named after a Frey! Maybe somebody at the Weather Channel is a ASOIAF fan?

  83. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    Hmmm but he’s also a young girly fan fav … Arya ship … just saying :D

  84. Lycanthropist
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    YvyB,

    true, but Arya is not long for Westeros after this season. I don’t think she will be seeing Gendry for a very long time, UNLESS… They end up sending him to Essos like Edric Storm, rather than back to the BwoB like most of us think.

  85. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I hadn’t heard the name ! They surely must be ! You’re welcome here firsty! :D

  86. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    ooooo I just meant HBO know a teen hunk when they see one … but now you’ve got me thinking ……

  87. Lars
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Virtus:
    CT Wahoo,

    They already made a conscious change in favour of keeping Osha with Bran earlier. Why would they suddenly decide to split up, especially since beyond the Wall there is no chance of Boltons capturing the princes? I think Maester Luwin’s words to Osha in episode 20 imply that she will stay with Bran: “you may need to protect them from your own kind.” Furthermore, when GRRM was asked what he’d do differently if he were writing the books from the beginning, I believe he answered that he’d use Osha more.

    Yep, and I think it is still up in the air how they are going to deal with Osha/Rickon. There could be quite a change. It also will affect the Davos story later.

  88. Michel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    I think they will be separated, since we don’t see Osha and Rickon in the scene of trailer where Bran, Jojen, Meera and Hodor are at the Nightfort

  89. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    old fan: Surprised when I saw that George had written this – had assumed he wrote the 9th episode (climax) again.

    Saw in an interview that GRRM said it was so painful to write the RW the first time – he couldn’t bear to do it again. That’s why he wrote a different episode this season.

  90. The Queen's Hand
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Ahhhh why would they put that in the episode 8 synopsis!

  91. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    This…100%…can’t rush that reveal…if you need something supernatural have season 3 end with arya taking her voyage and Bran meeting a certain someone

  92. ebevan91
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Fiona: Saw in an interview that GRRM said it was so painful to write the RW the first time – he couldn’t bear to do it again. That’s why he wrote a different episode this season.

    I saw that one too.

  93. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    YvyB,

    Lived in England for a while (London and Brighton) but no I’m a Yank…live in Arizona

  94. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,
    Ah loon is such an English word … I call people it all the time … ;p

  95. Ren Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually happy that this seems to indicate the Purple Wedding will be in Season 4, perhaps in the episode GRRM is writing himself

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Hello everyone.Long time lurker, first time poster.I got a bit tired if the negativity at Westeros. It’s pretty exciting that we get to meet Coldhands.I thought they might be putting it off until next season.Will we find out if he is actually undead Benjen? I’m not sure how to feel about Melisandre and BWB meeting.It could be a clever way to condense the Edric plotline and maybe introduce more info about the religion and the Azor Ahai prophecy.On the other hand, it could turn into this season’s missing dragon debacle.Hopefully it at least happens after Arya and the Hound escape. Is anyone else in the path of winter storm Walda?How fitting that such a terrible depressing spring snowstorm is named after a Frey!Maybe somebody at the Weather Channel is a ASOIAF fan?

    Coldhands is said to be quite old … and Bran doesn’t even suspect anything, no hint about “something familiar” or anything like that. So I guess he’s not Benjen

  96. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    YvyB,

    Ha yeah I ran a blog called The Loon for a while…got the name from a bar in Dallas Tx…so yeah I go by that name now in most message boards and on twitter

  97. Brian
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Looks like all of Sansa’s interactions with Margaery are going to be replaced with interactions with boring Shae. :(

  98. Lycanthropist
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    the problem is this rushes Arya and Bran’s story immensely

    Arya still has to venture with the Hound some after the Red Wedding. I imagine her last scene in Season 3 will be her recovery of Needle. Even then they still have the rest of ASoS to cover in Season 4, so where will she be in Season 5?

    Same goes for Bran and his pace of the story. Meeting Coldhands will be a nice end to Season 3 for Bran, but as I recall there are only 3 Bran Chapters after that happens! Does Bran sit out for a whole season??

  99. House Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    For final scene:

    I ‘d like to see it through Arya Direwolf’s eyes, and then when Cat wakes up, her first words be Nymeria

  100. YvyB
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    Ah well , well met ya loon :D!

  101. JamesL
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Once Jojen tells Bran that he has to take him beyond the Wall Osha will probably say she is not going back north of the Wall and they will separate and she will take Rickon with her.

  102. House Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    On Bran, I suspect we are going to start getting a lot of dream scenes frome him. He is a really convenient mechanism to fill in any gaps the writers want to about things that happen in the past. The fact that Jojen expanded Bran’s powers quite a bit to the point of seeing into the past hints at that. In some ways Brans storyline is the easiest b/c its free of constraints of the chronology of event that happen elsewhere. You can pretty much put brans scenes anywhere you want.

  103. quel
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Is anyone else in the path of winter storm Walda?

    Wow. Let’s hope it’s not the fat one :)

    But the episode I simply cannot wait for is “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”. Do you want her? Get her… So he did!

  104. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Yeah it would be rushing Arya and Bran a “Bit” but to have the stoneheart reveal happen at the end of this season would be rushing that storyline A LOT

  105. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    YvyB,

    Ha same to you..and a Loon I am

  106. House Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    The Loon:
    Yeah it would be rushing Arya and Bran a “Bit” but to have the stoneheart reveal happen at the end of this season would be rushing that storyline A LOT

    I think people put too much emphasis on reveals. Similar to Barristan sometimes you just have to go ahead and show it. Otherwise you end up having throwaway scenes to build up guys like Beric and Stoneheart that aren’t worth the time they would be using.

  107. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    My abiding “Second Sons” wish is to have a (surprise) Red Viper at the end.
    Tyrion wakes up hungover after his wedding and rides out to meet Doran but it’s Oberyn. I look forward to that dialogue so much. Then 2 weeks between episodes… the hell. It would be a nice speculation smashing surprise for the end of this season, though. Ahhh, making mountains out of episode titles!

  108. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    And where is Lancel?!

  109. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    It’s not so much the “reveal” but I feel like if it happens that soon after episode 9 it lessons the impact of episode 9…almost like “nah we didn’t really mean it” I want that event to have a lasting impact on the show only viewer before we get to stoneheart

  110. Virtus
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami:
    And where is Lancel?!

    He’s bedridden because of his injury in the battle.

  111. ebevan91
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami:
    My abiding “Second Sons” wish isto have a (surprise) Red Viper at the end.
    Tyrion wakes up hungover after his wedding and rides out to meet Doran but it’s Oberyn. I look forward to that dialogue so much. Then 2 weeks between episodes… the hell. It would be a nice speculation smashing surprise for the end of this season, though. Ahhh, making mountains out of episode titles!

    I guess it’s possible that they’ve kept his casting a secret, like the bastard of Bolton, but I just don’t see it happening in season 3.

  112. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    People complain about Brienne’s story in AFfC because we know where the object of her search is…I feel like seeing certain characters reaction to the events in episode 9 during the 4th season would lose all impact if stoneheart is revealed in this season’s finale…not good to have the viewer smarter than the characters

  113. House Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Im also looking foward to Tywin counsels the king. I’m guessing from the previews that the scene where it look like Joffrey is holding back tears.

  114. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m wondering why Melisandre would want to bang Gendry.
    What shocks me is the fact that (apparently) GRRM wrote it, and it seems to be the case, unless he shows up later denying it. It’s so “fan-ficy” that it makes me cringe.

  115. Ren Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    In the books Stoneheart is pretty much revealed in the same chapter she’s mentioned. Having Catelyn resurrected in the season finale would provide a fitting end for Dondarrion instead of just having Thoros mention “Beric died so she could live”

  116. House Snow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    The Loon:
    House Snow,

    It’s not so much the “reveal” but I feel like if it happens that soon after episode 9 it lessons the impact of episode 9…almost like “nah we didn’t really mean it” I want that event to have a lasting impact on the show only viewer before we get to stoneheart

    I understand and agree to a point, but I think the mechanics of the show make such abstract build ups such as who is killing all these people difficult. To build that feeling you have to create scenes and how are what are they going to do, have a bunch of random secondary characters just talking. People criticize the writers, but with few exceptions they always try to pack a ton of meaning into scenes. Some scenarios just can’t be set up well without being superfluous.

  117. tysnow
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Anyone have the feeling that with Jojen training Bran to see the past we might expect some flashbacks in future seasons?

  118. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Ren Snow,

    In the books Stoneheart is revealed in the epilogue…last. thing we read in ASOS…so why move that event up the middle of the story? I want the events of episode 9 to marinate for a season…revealing it in episode 10 of this season basically erases what happened right before as the “big event”….also allows Dave and Dan to create some non book scenes for the BWB in season 4

  119. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,
    I agree…I have no problem with it not being the finale of season 4r and happening sooner that season…just think the end of this season is WAY too soon…but we shall see

  120. otto
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Matt:
    Michel,

    Each season has ended on some supernatural cliffhanger (Dragons in S1, White walkers in S2) so it is quite possible that Lady Stoneheart will be the cliffhanger for S3. Not only is it incredibly supernatural, but it will at least give a little consolation to the fans who will still be seething after Ep9. I reckon the final scene will be Beric at the river, sacrificing himself to resurrect Cat and her opening her eyes, and probably letting out a scream. Cut to credits.

    That would definitely be a holy S moment

  121. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Cuz then you have to think what is the big ending to season 4 if not stoneheart? “In the end BLANK didn’t shit gold”? I dunno

  122. Cary Storm
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    We’ve got a forum with chat you may be interested in. YvyB asked me to invite ya…

    Winter is Coming, Geeks Forum

  123. The Loon
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Nice thanks…yeah I’ll check it out tomorrow…literally at the bar right now watching baseball and commenting from my phone lol

  124. shadowassassinbabby
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Getting OT, but just want to say — of all the many things that I could hope will or won’t be involved in the show’s treatment of the RW, the only ones that I feel truly strongly about are (1) that there be a Lame Lothar or equivalent, and (2) that that character is as completely opaque as he is in the book, right up to the point of no return. No shady looks! No sideways glances at co-conspirators! Dear D&D, please do not treat the guests of the bridegroom like morons who are impervious to the smell of bullshit!

  125. Smoney
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone think/ know if the scene when Bran is in the tower and he dreams he’s his wolf and saves John snow from the wildings will be in s3

  126. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    He wrote the scene. :)

    B

  127. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Smoney:
    Does anyone think/ know if the scene when Bran is in the tower and he dreams he’s his wolf and saves John snow from the wildings will be in s3

    The trailers do seem to show the events at Queenscrown, so yes. It has to be after “The Climb” episode, so anywhere from ep 6 to 10 this season.

  128. Fiona
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm:
    I’m wondering why Melisandre would want to bang Gendry.
    What shocks me is the fact that (apparently) GRRM wrote it, and it seems to be the case, unless he shows up later denying it. It’s so “fan-ficy” that it makes me cringe.

    Well, in the books Melisandre needs to have sex with a king to help her magic. She sleeps with Stannis for a while until she’s used up his life force and can’t take any more. She leeches 12yo Edric Storm for his king’s blood as King Robert’s bastard but what she really wants is to burn him alive. Uncle Stannis won’t allow it, but is starting to cave. It makes sense, therefore, since they’ve left Edric Storm out of the show that she would turn to Gendry as the only bastard of King Robert’s to apparently still be alive. And since he’s an adult, she can sleep with him like she did Stannis. But based on the books, she will likely want to burn him also, so that’ll be *interesting*.

  129. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Thank you for the confirmation :)

  130. Alfador
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t read these because they will spoil it!

  131. Smoney
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    Thats what I was thinking..but the lack of mentioning Bran in ep. breakdowns got me questioning how much time they are spending on him

  132. Ser Lemon Cakes
    Posted April 11, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Thanks also for the comformation Bryan, and a good reminder that D&D know where the story ends up. GRRM must have interesting plans for Gendry in the books *glee*

  133. Selmy
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:

    I feel like we’ll see the “Mhysa!” see very late in the last episode, but the ending will be Cat’s resurrection as Stoneheart.

    Interesting, it could easily be one of those scenes. They won’t finish on Beric picking her up since it would spoil it. I thought that if Jon’s story finishes with the first fight at Castleblack vs wildlings, Ep 9 or 10 could be Ygritte’s death (they have to kill her, with all the new characters they are introducing, it can’t only be Robb and maybe Talissa that dies this season) or the battle of the Wall (just a big pretty shot at Mance’s army :D ).

  134. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman:
    Pau Soriano,

    He wrote the scene.:)

    B

    I note you only mentioned that he wrote the scene, not that it was his idea.;)

  135. Prince of Pentos
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Quick prediction:

    It may be that Melisandre attempts to bring Gendry back to Dragonstone for her “kingly” sacrifice, and that Davos then succeeds in whisking him away.

    In this way, Gendry would take the place of Edric Storm in the book, which kind of fits as they are both Robert’s bastards.

    Instead of getting Edric to Storm’s End though, as Davos does in the book (if I’m not mistaken), he might succeed in getting Gendry back to the Brotherhood, with whom he then remains, like in the books, while Arya eventually ends up in Braavos.

    What do you guys think?

  136. JamesL
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Of course it wasn’t his idea, he is not the show runner so he doesn’t map out the story lines for the season. If he wrote a scene with Melisandre and Gendry in his episode obviously he doesn’t have much of an issue with that change. It’s not like David and Dan would force him to write that. He might even really enjoy writing scenes like that. It’s like he gets to write his own fan fiction for his own story.

  137. JamesL
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos,

    Where have you been? Most of us figured this out a few weeks ago. I’m not sure if he will be shipped back to the Brotherhood but he is definitely replacing Edric in the story.

  138. Chickenduck
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Not sure how I feel about Gendry replacing Edric as potential sacrifice etc, but it makes sense in the realm of the TV series, as Gendry is the only established bastard of Robert’s (except the baby in the brothel). Or have we seen others that I just didn’t register?

    Also, I guess Gendry (a recognised and popular character) being under threat of sacrifice would have a very strong emotional resonance for the audience (particularly the non-book readers), which a new character wouldn’t.

    It’s DEFINITELY a better option than Shireen being the object of sacrifice, as many fans feared would happen.

  139. Chickenduck
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    ebevan91: I guess it’s possible that they’ve kept his casting a secret, like the bastard of Bolton, but I just don’t see it happening in season 3.

    Could it possibly be that Burn Gorman is the Red Viper and they’ve just done an amazing job of keeping it under wraps? Or is he definitely confirmed to be a Night’s Watchman (or Coldhands)? I seem to remember a report of him filming with members of the NW, but can’t remember.

  140. pntrlqst
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    FaB confirmed that Burn plays a Night’s Watchman.

  141. Selmy
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Prince of Pentos,

    Where have you been? Most of us figured this out a few weeks ago. I’m not sure if he will be shipped back to the Brotherhood but he is definitely replacing Edric in the story.

    Where does the hate come from, douche?

  142. el siguiente enlace
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    Theses sinopsis sounds really good!

  143. WildSeed
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:04 am | Permalink

    Lycanthropist:
    YvyB,

    true, but Arya is not long for Westeros after this season.I don’t think she will be seeing Gendry for a very long time, UNLESS… They end up sending him to Essos like Edric Storm, rather than back to the BwoB like most of us think.

    BwoB ? BYOB ( bring your own beer ) or maybe BWOB ? ( blunt without
    bashing ). The choices are endless (:

  144. Jon Sand
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    It will be so interesting to see (or hear) which actor is playing coldhands. Most likely it will be an unknown, but it would be awesome if he sounds like Benjen.

  145. Hear Me Roar
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:41 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Thanks :)

  146. Kristoff Blackwood
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    JamesL,

    I think Sam will kill The White Walker, who will come for Gilly’s baby – the same one Jon saw in S2.

  147. kittie
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    stop raping the good book pls

  148. zod
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    The Loon,

    Bran meeting the Children of the Forest would make for a great ending for season 4.

  149. Nick Larter
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    A lot of the Theon stuff we’re seeing now is more or less backstory that we learn in ADWD. We can assume fairly well that in TWOW we’re going to similarly learn Osha and Rickon’s backstory once Davos finds them. So providing GRRM knows that story already, he’ll have told the showrunners and it could be used to keep Osha and Rickon going in S4 and S5.

  150. ryra
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    I’m kind of surprised by the lack of Arya in those synopses. Hope they didn’t cut all her amazing scenes with the Hound :(

  151. Summer Is Coming
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    A lot of info from this few words. Confirming the MelGendry plot, altough it will be interesting how Gendry and everyone else will react at his new found status as royal bastard.
    I am all in with the UnCat as season finale, and thank you
    zod, for finding an apropiate S4 finale. Yes the Children of the forest are a perfect supernatural ending. Right when Bran and his group are overcome by weights, they appear and save him. Though D&D will stretch quite much since this is ADwD stuff, and Bran only has a few chapters in it. 3 chapters for 3 seasons to come… that’s quite a stretching, but not imposible.

  152. The hounds pup
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    GRRM isn’t writing the RW episode?

    Gtfo!

  153. JonSnow83
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    A little off topic, but does anyone know of or have a ‘timeline’ of key events that occur in the books and a comparitive timeline for the tv shows?

    I think this would be good to have, but sadly do not have the time to pull it together myself – just wondering if it’s already out there and i’m just not finding it!

    Can’t wait for the bear just wish it was Vargo and not Locke/Bolton…

    THAPPHIRETH!

  154. Chickenduck
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    shadowassassinbabby:
    Getting OT, but just want to say — of all the many things that I could hope will or won’t be involved in the show’s treatment of the RW, the only ones that I feel truly strongly about are (1) that there be a Lame Lothar or equivalent, and (2) that that character is as completely opaque as he is in the book, right up to the point of no return.No shady looks!No sideways glances at co-conspirators!Dear D&D, please do not treat the guests of the bridegroom like morons who are impervious to the smell of bullshit!

    The character of Lame Lothar is confirmed, he will be played by Tom Brooke.

  155. Hollyoak
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    BwP!

  156. JamesL
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    ryra,

    They never include all the characters in the synopsis.

  157. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Virtus: Not being on the intro’s map doesn’t mean anything… Harrenhal wasn’t on the map on Season 1 and Astapor wasn’t on the map on Season 2.

    Different seasons doesn’t count. My understanding is they create the map each season with all of the locations on it that will be used that season. At the start of the next season they update it further with the new locations. Meereen not being on the map in the Season 3 title sequence means that Meereen will not appear in Season 3, but should appear in Season 4 when they update the map again.

  158. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    JonSnow83,

    This is something we’re probably going to do on the Wiki. There’s enough date references in the first season to put together a rough timeline, but for the second and third (so far) it becomes much vaguer.

  159. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    Ryra

    Don’t worry, there’s not much mention of Jon either. And hopefully his arc gets stronger as well.

  160. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    JonSnow83,

    Actually, for a really rough timeline, the books begin *some time* in 298 AL:

    Joffrey and Margaery’s wedding is on New Year’s Day 300 AL, 18 to 24 months later. Fans have put together timelines indicating that ADWD ends in the first half of 301 AL. So about 3 years have passed in the books so far.

    In the TV show:

    We assume it also begins in 298 AL. In Season 2, Renly says it’s now 18 years since the rebellion (rather than 17 in the first season). In Season 3, Jaime indicates he’s been imprisoned for more than a year (i.e. from the end of Season 1 to the start of Season 3 is more than 1 year). Based on that, and Bran and Rickon’s growth, the assumption is that 1 season = 1 year, so by the end of Season 3 it’ll also be 300 AL or thereabouts.

    The show is therefore proceeding slightly slower than the books.

  161. mariamb18
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Kudos to the poster that noted that each season has ended with a reveal of magic returning to the world of Westeros.

    And with that in mind, it makes perfect sense for S3 to end with the reveal of Lady Stoneheart. Of course, we need to get Beric’s story, specifically his resurrections by Thoros, for the LS reveal to have an impact.

    I can’t wait to meet Beric (again); Richard Dormer looks to be awesome in that role.

  162. Prince of Pentos
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    It seems logical though that Davos would get him back to the Brotherhood, no? Gendry will be the long-term character presence in the Brotherhood, for instance, when the Brotherhood finds Lady Stone Heart?

  163. Caedes
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead: Different seasons doesn’t count. My understanding is they create the map each season with all of the locations on it that will be used that season. At the start of the next season they update it further with the new locations. Meereen not being on the map in the Season 3 title sequence means that Meereen will not appear in Season 3, but should appear in Season 4 when they update the map again.

    At the beginning of Season 1, we didn’t get the Twins or the Eyrie, nor Harrenhal on S02E01… So your point is invalid, I’m afraid.

  164. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    And Game of Thrones season 3 officially starts on South-African tv tonight :) can’t wait to read everyone’s reactions tomorrow on Facebook and all.

  165. Shmurb
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Caedes,

    No it’s not. The Twins and The Eyrie were not included in episodes where they didn’t feature, but that doesn’t mean they weren’t made to fit into the Season 1 title sequence. The maps have to all be made pre-season, it’s not like they make them up on the fly, so that point is totally valid. I think the main thing to be taken away from that is, the map general flies over those areas, but before they’re important, you don’t see sign of em. Which means people worrying there’s no Meereen just because of the map are groundless, just gotta wait and see.

  166. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    George didn’t write that episode because it’s the one episode with the one event D&D have been hoping to be given a chance to show… The Red Wedding is the main reason why D&D wanted to adapt the show to television, because it was THAT epic… They weren’t gonna let George take that one from them… I’m actually happy for them, that they reached their goal and were able to share their love for this series with us… I have no doubt that they did the Red Wedding justice…

  167. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Yay for US…!!! I live in Botswana so I’ll also get to see it on Mnet…

  168. Mike Chair
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Caedes,

    Shmurb,

    For what it’s worth, Meereen is on the HBO Viewer’s Guide Map to Season 3.

  169. voiceareason
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:41 am | Permalink

    Im calling this now:
    Gendry and Melisandre are going to make a shadowbaby together, which will kill Balon Greyjoy.

  170. JamesL
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    voiceareason,

    lol no, she is just seducing him in order to take his blood for the leeches. They are nowhere near the Iron Islands anyway.

  171. voiceareason
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    voiceareason,

    lol no, she is just seducing him in order to take his blood for the leeches. They are nowhere near the Iron Islands anyway.

    How do you know the range? Is it ever specified? Dont be so dismissive without any proof.
    Also, Stannis told Melisandre ” make me a son” in the preview.
    Also, Balon does die mysteriously falling off the bridge. Why is it impossible to assume that he was pushed by a shadowbaby?

  172. zod
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    voiceareason: How do you know the range? Is it ever specified?

    Kinda. Why do you think they needed Davos to bring Melisandre near Renly’s camp?

  173. voiceareason
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    zod,

    Hmm, perhaps. But Stannis is older and kind of weak. Gendry is young and probably virile. We’ll have to see.

  174. Hounded
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    For those still speculating that the PW will be in Ep 10 – think of all the stuff that will happen in ep 10 -

    Dany receiving the Yunkai surrender and her riding through the crowds
    Jon defending Castle Black from the wildlings attacking from the south – ending with Ygritte’s death

    Tyrion talking to Tywin about the RW – Tyrion telling Sansa
    Sam and Gilly meet Bran and gang at the Nightfort – Bran and co go through the black gate and meet Coldhands

    Theon finally breaking and learning his new name
    Jaime and Brienne on the road, nearing King’s Landing

    Plenty of stuff to happen without PW

  175. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    The Queen’s Hand:
    Ahhhh why would they put that in the episode 8 synopsis!

    I’d like to know this too! It seems like it’s giving away what happens quite early.

  176. JonSnow83
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    That would be cool, I look forward to getting a look at it when it’s up there :)

  177. Dan Spicer
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    sunspear,

    No, I actuallythink that chafing refers to her actually having a noose around her neck after being hung by Tywin. I am not sure how it will play out, but the Littlefinger, Ros, Shae, Sansa, Tyrion connection will lead to Tywin getting word of Shae’s realtionship with Tyrion, and it will cause her neck to chafe a bit. Just speculating of course

  178. Joan Català
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    I’m calling this now (for the second time):

    They will use Shae’s jealousy towards Sansa and anger towards Tyrion (Episode 2 already established some of that) when the two of them are married, to fuel and justify her betrayal to Tyrion in the trial.

    Also: Unions for the Lannisters? (Ep6) Will Cersei be told she should remarry to unite another House to their cause?

  179. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I agree with your point, but disagree with some of the stuff listed.

    I suspect that Jon’s arc will end with his return to Castle Black, with the attack happening early next season.
    Also, I believe that Theon’s arc will end with the Ramsay reveal, and next season will be him learning his new name.

    Also, in response to the people who are assuming that Joffrey’s wedding will happen in episode 2 of next season:
    just because GRRM is writing the episode doesn’t necessarily mean that it will contain a major event. He wrote episode 8 of season 1, which was relatively uneventful, as well as episode 7 of season 3, which won’t be the most eventful or shocking episode this season. I wouldn’t expect Joffrey’s wedding to happen until episode 4 or 5

  180. Joan Català
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Episodes 4 or 5 would be too late. Just think that Jaime and Brienne can’t arrive in KL before the PW (else Sansa would leave with Brienne and never travel to the Vale of Arryn). They have already travelling since Episode 8 Season 2, they can’t possibly get there in Episode 6 Season 4.

    I’m thinking Episode 3 tops. Episode 2 would be perfect. Nobody really expecting anything major to happen and BAM!!

    In fact this would be one of the good reasons to hope for the PW in S3 (probably won’t happen though)

  181. Matt
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    The whole Myhsa thing fits perfectly. They’re chanting mother mother mother then they cut from Dany to Catelyn being resurrected because she is also a “mother”. Hell it could be argued that she *is* the “mother” figure of the show.

  182. James
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I totally got tired of the negativity at Westeros too… I can’t even go to that site during the season!

  183. Josh
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    Its Coldhands, we saw the ravens already in a featurett or a trailer.

    I Reckon they will run into Bran/Rickon Episode 10. Their stories will end with Sam allowing Bran across the wall and leading them to Coldhands

    So yeah, seems like Brans ADWD storylinewill defintely be in Season 4 rather than Season 5. Might be light on their storylines next season, especially if the cliffhanger in ADWD that were left off on is REALLY important and George wants to wait for his book comes out before its revealed(like if Jojen truly was sacrificed for Bran to enhance his powers, and that Bloodraven is truly helping the others or not…)

    Martin doesn’t have a choice. The show is moving forward with or without him. That’s been confirmed multiple times.

  184. haggron
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Jaime and Brienne’s story is problematic anyway, since nothing much happens after the bear fight, which we know will happen in episode 7. The next time we see them in the books is in King’s Landing after Joffrey’s death. So what are they going to do during the last three episodes (they’ll probably be left out of episode 9, since that one is supposde to focus only on a few characters) and the first few of season 4?

    Will they arrive in King’s Landing before the PW? I don’t like the idea, but it might happen. They could arrive in episode 10 with Brienne being thrown directly into jail and the Lannisters refusing to release Sansa (to the discontent of Jaime). Might be that after the PW Jaime releases to go and look for Sansa.

  185. Hounded
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Firstly its been confirmed by FaB (who has seen the first four episodes) that Ramsay’s deception of Theon is in episode 4. He tricks him into coming right back into the torture chamber in the dreadfort. Not sure if he will reveal his identity but it would make sense.

    You may be right about Jon although that would be a shame. If the wildling attack doesn’t happen till season 4 then the season 3 arc will be left incomplete. It would definitely be a shame if that doesn’t happen till season 4. Part of the reason Ygritte’s death hurt so much in the book was that it wasn’t that long ago when they were together in the cave blissfully happy. It will dull the effect if its not till season 4.

    And Joffrey’s wedding will be in season 4 episode 2. I guarantee.

  186. Matt
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Yeah they’ll start off Season 4 with a bang!

  187. thisone
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    sunspear:
    “Shae chafes at Tyrion’s new situation.”
    I wonder if this is what they’re going for to give her an excuse for betraying him at the trial/being found in Tywin’s chambers later on.
    (Or is it too early to be established?)

    I don’t know, but it seems that the groundwork has been laid for this scenario. Shae is worried that Tyrion has an eye for Sansa (ref. episode 2), so a wedding may well stoke the fire. Shae will not believe that Tyrion is being forced to this. Or they could be going somewhere else with this …

  188. arden
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/game-of-thrones-the-greatness-is-in-the-details-20130412

    *Spoilers* Discusees upcomming scene about varys getting cut..

  189. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Im starting to worry that Mel and Gendry will be taking some screen time away frm Arya. I know she is with the Hound (or should be) when Mel meets the Brotherhood, but im still worried about the fact that Arya isnt mentioned in any of these). I hope they dont just forgot about Arya and just have one or two scenes of her and the Hound whilst featuring Mel and the Brotherhood instead. Arya is my fave (and a lot of my friends) so i hope we get to see a lot of her after the trial but im worried that she wont appear in one or two episodes. If they dont have her in episode 9 at the twins then i will be very upset, and im dont usually complain about ‘changes’
    Ive just checked and she is in the teaser for the next episodes, will meet Beric in episode 4, will feature in episode 5 (for the trial, and again, i hope they dont just have her standing in the background) and then after that she isnt mentioned at all so it looks like she wont be in a couple of episodes (6, 7, 8) unless they decide to feature the scene at the Inn this year?

  190. Virtus
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    In many foreign editions of ASOS, in which the novel is divided into two volumes, the place where they end the first volume is Jon’s escape from Queenscrown.

  191. zod
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    arden,

    Thanks for the link. I’m looking forward to that scene, now. ;)

  192. Melisandre
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    JonSnow83,

    There’s an amazingly detailed timeline someone over at the forum of ice and fire has made.

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/84563-most-precise-asoiaf-timeline-in-existence/

  193. Zack
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Matt:
    Selmy,

    The whole Myhsa thing fits perfectly. They’re chanting mother mother mother then they cut from Dany to Catelyn being resurrected because she is also a “mother”. Hell it could be argued that she *is* the “mother” figure of the show.

    I don’t like it though. If they’re going to show Thoros bringing Beric back after his fight with the Hound, then letter when Thoros finds Cat at the riverbank even Unsullied viewers are likely to think sarcastically to themselves, “Oh I wonder what’s going to happen now.” It would kind of wreck the reveal. I think one resurrection is enough. Whereas if they do it like in the book with the Frey from the wedding, it will inspire tons of “Holy shit!” and fist pump reactions to that Frey getting what’s coming.

  194. Salty Dornishman
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    voiceareason,

    While I can see that for the show’s purposes, I always thought that Crow’s Eye Euron Greyjoy, who was established as a warg in ADwD, warged into some kind of bird and caused Balon to fall off the rickety bridges between the towers of Pyke. That’s why Euron was so fortuitously placed to pounce when Damphair called the kingsmoot.

  195. Nick_Scryer
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Tv only viewers won’t know what hit them :P

  196. Ser Hound
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire,

    I wouldn’t worry too much. A lot of times they show characters who aren’t mentioned in the synopsis. And sometimes the characters in the synopsis just have one or two short scenes. I bet you that Arya won’t be absent for more than an episode at the most. I’m very much looking forward to her travels with the Hound as well. I hope it’s not skimped on too much. I think D&D realize how loved she is by fans though, so my hopes are high.

  197. voiceareason
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    Ser Tahu,

    Episodes 4 or 5 would be too late. Just think that Jaime and Brienne can’t arrive in KL before the PW (else Sansa would leave with Brienne and never travel to the Vale of Arryn). They have already travelling since Episode 8 Season 2, they can’t possibly get there in Episode 6 Season 4.

    I’m thinking Episode 3 tops. Episode 2 would be perfect. Nobody really expecting anything major to happen and BAM!!

    In fact this would be one of the good reasons to hope for the PW in S3 (probably won’t happen though)

    Nope, attack at Castle Black is out. Ciaran Hinds says the raiding party returns to him, looking dejected.

  198. ryra
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire:
    Im starting to worry that Mel and Gendry will be taking some screen time away frm Arya. I know she is with the Hound (or should be) when Mel meets the Brotherhood, but im still worried about the fact that Arya isnt mentioned in any of these). I hope they dont just forgot about Arya and just have one or two scenes of her and the Hound whilst featuring Mel and the Brotherhood instead. Arya is my fave (and a lot of my friends) so i hope we get to see a lot of her after the trial but im worried that she wont appear in one or two episodes. If they dont have her in episode 9 at the twins then i will be very upset, and im dont usually complain about ‘changes’
    Ive just checked and she is in the teaser for the next episodes, will meet Beric in episode 4, will feature in episode 5 (for the trial, and again, i hope they dont just have her standing in the background) and then after that she isnt mentioned at all so it looks like she wont be in a couple of episodes (6, 7, 8) unless they decide to feature the scene at the Inn this year?

    Tha’s exactly what I was thinking about. I really hope she will be in eps. 6-8 even if she’s not mentioned (I know that those synopses are just a quick glimpse of the episodes, still it’s quite strange Arya is not mentioned for three episodes in a row)

    About the Inn scene, I hope they will feature it in season 4 because otherwise very few scenes will be left for the Hound next year and that would disappoint me very much.

  199. Sig79
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Jen:
    Wondering how often Theon is going to show up since he’s never mentioned in any synopses in season 3, but he is obviously showing up :)

    Hopefully he shows more often than not :). Love his story line.

  200. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    ryra,

    I think we will probably get to see Arya and the Hound traveling to the twins during episode 6-8 (otherwise, if they do show up at the RW, which i hope they do, then people will be wondering how they got there). So its likely that they will be featured in one or two scenes during those episodes, but like i said, i dont just want to ‘check in’ on Arya (if you know what i mean). I want her to have significant screen time. I also hope that the relationship with the Hound is developed over time, instead of rushed. I want them to show the difference between Arya and Sansa by having her act completely different towards the Hound (compared to Sansa who cant look him in the face)

    I also find it odd that Bran isnt mentioned in any of these. His story is important this year. I guess they just havent mentioned him because it would be hard to put into a synopsis? That could be why Arya isnt mentioned. What exactly could they say? Arya and the Hound go for a walk? :)

  201. LordNoga1981
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Spoilers ahead, dont know how to block so sorry if i get ya.

    So obviously the young ‘boy’ who is goin to help Theon is Ramsay. I mean the clues as to who holds Theon are so obvious to bookreaders and if non readers are paying attention they can put two an two together. The abundance of Bolton forces, their sigil showing a flayed man on an X being tortured. Cant wait to see Ramsay’s evil side. Bolton has already been around a lot these first two episodes so by the 7th episode he will be such a household name and by the Red Wedding everyone will hate him as much as Joffrey.
    Gendry and Mel? Hmmm…how are they gonna do that? I love how its got a lot of differences from the book yet still the same story. Its just like Walking Dead. I dont wanna see an exact copy of the book, but something different. Thats what makes this show so excellant even though ivd read all the books. Still surprised.

  202. AA
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    pntrlqst,
    Is it possible Burn Gorman plays Coldhands but someone discovered he is credited as Night’s Watchman because Coldhands is a former Night’s Watchman? I don’t really care either way.

  203. AA
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    To follow up on my last comment, if Burn Gorman plays one of the survivors of the Fist, he would have been introduced by now. It is possible he is already at Craster’s or has been holding down Castle Black, but then why wouldn’t his character’s name have been announced? The fact that the casting is still vague leads me to wager he is Coldhands. Then again, why cast a known-ish actor to play someone who doesn’t really act.

  204. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    He is in Craster’s keep with the NW. He and Rast are the two who lead the mutiny according to FABio, who has seen the first 4 episodes.

  205. Craig
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    voiceareason,

    That would be a pretty big departure from him dying from a Faceless Man.

    I’m curious to see how they handle it and if they reveal if it’s Jaquen or not.

  206. AA
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Fair enough

  207. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    For those worrying about your favorite characters not appearing in the episode synopsis, just stop. They never put every character and their storylines in them.

  208. Craig
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Salty Dornishman: While I can see that for the show’s purposes, I always thought that Crow’s Eye Euron Greyjoy, who was established as a warg in ADwD, warged into some kind of bird and caused Balon to fall off the rickety bridges between the towers of Pyke. That’s why Euron was so fortuitously placed to pounce when Damphair called the kingsmoot.

    It’s been suggested that Balon died from a Faceless Man.

    Given this prophecy:

    “I dreamt of a man without a face, waiting on a bridge that swayed and swung. On his shoulder perched a drowned crow with seaweed hanging from his wings.”

    However, I would concur that Euron was behind the hiring.

  209. AA
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Yeah I wouldn’t worry about Arya being left out of episodes. Part of the emotional impact of the RW – at least for me while I was reading – was expecting Arya to actually be reunited with her mother. I’d be shocked if they left out that build-up/let-down

  210. Carne
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    Seems weird indeed to cast him in such a small, nameless role. Why not introduce or at least show him in episode 1 or 2? I have a feeling he’s supposed to have been beyond the Wall and they’ll just introduce him as another unseen Night’s Watch member (sort of like Edd in season 2). FaB said Gorman survives the mutiny, so I have a feeling he and Rast will run into Sam later on, only to be killed by a White Walker or something like that.

  211. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    I’m very interested about Theon fate from episode 5 to 10, since the whole escape thing happens in 3 episodes (3, 4 and 5) and not the whole season (as expected).

    Since the leeches are in episode 8, and episode 9 will probably only show the Starks and Jon (I think), I don’t think Balon death will happen in episode 10, and that scene from Yara isn’t on his funeral as guessed, so I guess they are going to invent some Yara scenes trying to find Theon.

    More and more, I’m loving the idea of Balon’s assassination being the cold open of season 4.

  212. Walter Harrow
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    Do you think the Hound will take Arya during the same episode as his trial or the next episode (6)? It could be a good cliffhanger to have the episode end with Beric’s resurrection and then having the Hound take her in episode 6. I just cant see them having too much fallout from the trial in the same episode and it would mean that Arya and the Hound could appear in episode 6, and then travel to the twins during episode 7-8

  213. David Jones
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Salty Dornishman,

    At what point is Euron established as a warg? I can’t remember him being near an animal. It seemed clear to me that he hires a faceless man to do the deed.

  214. valyrian
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    We should stop saying “this” or “that” will dull the effect of the events in the books (I can’t put spoiler tags). About THAT scene, nothing is likely to dull it’s effect (10th episode revelation or no), not to mention that everyone says eveywhere that pretty much EVERYTHING will be “dulled”. Between ASOS and ADWD there was a ten uear gap, and nothing was “dulled”, just ask anyone who spent those ten years waiting. This is a tv show, not a book where you can mislead and hide stuff much better than in a visual medium.

  215. Dogmayor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    With people speculating on Balon’s death does anyone know if Patrick Malahide is in this season?

  216. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Walter Harrow,

    I cant really remember how they find out that Robb is at the twins in the books so they will also have to have a scene where they find out that Edmure is getting married and The Hound deciding to take Arya there to ransom her to her brother. The Hound is set free by the Brotherhood, so i can see him leaving during episode 5, and Arya attempting to escape on her own during the opening of episode 6 before running into him. (Mel could then show up later in the episode to meet Gendry without crossing paths with Arya)

  217. Daniel stark
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    If you look up the cast for each episode, steelshanks played by Jamie michie is one of the top cast members for ep 7 and 8, who is that?

  218. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Daniel stark,

    Steelshanks is the man who Roose sends to escort Jaime to KL. He is the guy Jaime is with when he decides to go back for Brienne.

  219. Darquemode
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Daniel stark,

    One of Bolton’s men.. I think he is given charge of escorting Jaime to King’s Landing IIRC.

  220. Daniel stark
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Thanks guys

  221. Eddward
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    If season three does end with the reveal of Un-Cat, I hope the writters include a scene in which Arya confirms her mother’s death via a wolf dream through her dire wolf Nymeria. I think this would be establish that Arya is a warg and that Nymeria is alive and well. In addition, by learning of her mother’s death, one of Arya’s prime motivations for remaining in Westeros has been removed, thus freeing her to leave Westeros in season 4.

  222. Ren Snow
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Fiona:
    Biggest surprise for me is that Dany’s already in/at Yunkai in ep 7. I thought they might stretch Astapor to end of S3, especially if Meereen is written out (not on map). These synopses are so yummy! Filled with treats and delights and excitement and wonder!

    Meereen hasn’t been written out. Just pushed for the next season.

  223. Ren Snow
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    David Jones:
    Salty Dornishman,

    Not a warg… he’s speculated to be a greenseer, considering he mentions having dreams similar to Bran’s

    At what point is Euron established as a warg? I can’t remember him being near an animal. It seemed clear to me that he hires a faceless man to do the deed.

  224. Bean
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    there’s not going to be any Shae betrayal. They made her too sympathetic for that. And Tyrion’s not going to hurt her. All they’re going to do is have Tywin kill her and that’s what will piss Tyrion off. I can understand why they had to make Shae more likeable, but it’s an unfortunately much lamer sequence of events.

  225. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Bean,

    And you know this how? We have no idea what Shae will do once Tyrion marries Sansa. The synopsis even points at her dissatisfaction over it. A lot can happen over the next 2 seasons.

  226. Hounded
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Bean,

    What makes you assume that? There’s nothing to indicate that.

  227. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Ren Snow,

    Exactly. Anyone who thinks Meereen has been written out is completely off their rocker. We’ve got three season’s worth of Meereen coming our way after this one is done. Just like in the books, the TV viewers will be aching to leave that place before it lets us go.

  228. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I’m with you. I think Tyrion will wind up strangling Shae on the show. After she testifies against him at his trial and he finds out that she’s been boinking his Dad after all the grief he game him for consorting with whores, he’ll kill them both just like he did in ASOS. I don’t see any reason why her role on the show thus far precludes that from happening.

  229. Hounded
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    Exactly. For some reason people seem to think it would be too harsh for the show to have Tyrion kill Shae.
    They killed Ned didn’t they?

  230. Bean
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    So yes, they’re setting them up for conflict and dissatisfaction. But.. a) It really won’t fit very well if Shae has been built up to be such a nice character and then simple pettiness drives her to completely betray Tyrion. b) even if she betrays tyrion in some way simply due to being hurt emotionally, there’s simply NO WAY the show will have their main character strangle a sympathetic Shae. The only way it works emotionally in the books is knowing that Shae was never someone who actually cared about him, and that’s just not the Shae in the TV show. There is no way they make Tyrion into that petty of a vindictive killer, nor do I think they would even make Shae that petty of a betrayed lover in the first place. There’ll be some conflict, but there’s just no seed for betrayal there the way there was in the book. At the most extreme case, I could see him letting her die or something if she’s held hostage, but it won’t be him killing her. I’m sure they’ll find a way to get across that Tyrion ends up bitter and a bit darker as a person, but mostly that will be expressed by killing Tywin. The TV show just isn’t setting up the Shae dynamic that worked in the books.

    I WOULD be very impressed if they managed to pull off a scenario where even the audience was tricked and all along Shae was just a spy for Tywin or something. But they haven’t just left Shae blank, they’ve filled in her internal dialogue and interactions with other characters that make her very sympathetic. So I think they’re well and truly boxed out of doing that. Or it would suck if they tried. I’m sure it’ll still be a fun story. It’s just not going to involve Tyrion killing her.

  231. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Caedes: At the beginning of Season 1, we didn’t get the Twins or the Eyrie, nor Harrenhal on S02E01… So your point is invalid, I’m afraid.

    The Twins is visible on the S1 map before it actually appears (the Twins is flattened into the ground, so it’s tough to see, but freeze-framing it shows the marks on the ground and also ‘THE TWINS’ spelled out at the location). The Eyrie is visible when the camera does the big pull-back from the Wall back down to King’s Landing and then across the Narrow Sea.

    Harrenhal is not visible in the early S2 eps because they use the Season 1 render for the initial flypast. It’s visible on the specifically-made-for-that-season shots.

    With Slaver’s Bay, they have clearly re-done the whole area for Season 3 (it looks a bit more like in the books and the islands of Valyria are visible, whilst in S2 as the camera panned to Qarth they were not), with 3D models of Astapor and Yunkai both clearly visible. It seems unlikely they would make a model of Meereen and not show it, so that seems to indicate that Season 3 will reach Yunkai and Meereen will not appear until Season 4.

    This is clearly backed up:

    By the blurbs showing that the end-season activity for Dany revolves around her siege of Yunkai and the final episode being called ‘Mhysa’, which is what Dany is called by the freed slaves of Yunkai after they are let out of the gates.

    So, to summarise, Dany’s story arc in Season 3 appears to be: defeating the slave masters of Astapor, taking command of the Unsullied, marching on Yunkai, allying with Daario, accepting the surrender of the city and freeing all the slaves. S3 then likely ends with her setting out for Meereen, or actually just that last scene of her among the slaves. Her arc in Season 4 will then be taking Meereen, and possibly the opening of her ADWD storyline and her troubles in ruling the city.

    It’s possible D&D have something else in mind, but I really don’t see any other explanation being credible based on the info to hand at the moment.

  232. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who (as much as I love it) thinks the Shea death scene would look absurd on screen? A Dwarf strangling a naked woman while wearing medieval clothing? just imagine that.

  233. Freoduwebbe
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    You know, I have to say whoever writes these synopses is truly brilliant. They say so little but hint so much. None of them are spoilers….

    We should all be so good in our responses..

  234. flame
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:06 am | Permalink

    Look’s like Melisandre’s gonna be borrowing Littlefinger’s teleportation device

  235. anabasis888
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    zod,

    I don’t think distance matters. Mel had Stannis throw three leeches onto the fire, and call out three names: Rob, Joff and Greyjoy. She seemed totally successful. Greyjoy’s death was “surely” due to a shadow assassin.

  236. tweedie
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Eddward,

    I agree 100%. But we haven’t seen nymeria since way back in ep102. I think the writers missed a good opportunity to show nymeria as arya was in the hell of harrenhal. It would have been cool to see arya looking out of a window in one of the towers with the camera pulling back to the foreground to reveal the ghostly silhouete of a direwolf. Alas the viewers will have forgotton arya’s lost canine which is unfortunate as the scene of which you speak would be better seen through the eyes of arya as nymeria rather than just arya. I like to think nymeria played a part in what we should see in the very last scene of season 3. The wolf called to the dead and the dead heard…

  237. Laura
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    CT Wahoo:
    Zack,

    Would be great if the Lady Stoneheart reveal is done with her ordering the killing of the same Frey she slaps at the RW (who I am assuming will be the same one that slits her throat).

    Yes, please!!! UnKarma is a bitch!!

  238. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    flame,

    Not really. She leaves in ep 3 and doesn’t appear until ep 6.

  239. Turri
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,
    Change “absurd” to “awesome” and I’m with you.

  240. Laura
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead: Different seasons doesn’t count. My understanding is they create the map each season with all of the locations on it that will be used that season. At the start of the next season they update it further with the new locations. Meereen not being on the map in the Season 3 title sequence means that Meereen will not appear in Season 3, but should appear in Season 4 when they update the map again.

    The map changes! Remember season 1 when it showed Pentos on the first episode and Vaes Dothrak on the rest? And Harrenhal wasn’t on the map at the begining of season 2, like Pyke or Quarth.

  241. Shmurb
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    tweedie,

    I don’t know, I think that might not be giving show viewers credit. As someone else said above (sorry, I read the comment last night and totally agreed with it but I forget who you are), book readers often seem to misjudge the capacity that the show readers have for remembering things. Maybe a reminder would have been good, but I don’t think people will just forget Arya had a direwolf. The whole Kingsroad thing with the death of Lady was so many people introduction to hating on Joffrey, and people really like dogs, so yeah, I dunno.

  242. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Shmurb,

    The Unsullied haven’t forgotten about Nymeria just as they were happy to see Ser Barristan. Some I know are wondering what became of Beric Dondarrion…

  243. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Judging by the ep 6 synopsis can we assume that Lord Bolton’s first name will soon be mentioned?

  244. bassale
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    what happened to the great jon? the actor who played him was perfect and from what ive gathered will not be returning this season? WEAK

  245. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    flame,

    Why do people keep talking about this? Weeks can pass between storylines. In the first season the king’s host traveled from Winterfell to KL in less than two episodes.

  246. zod
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    anabasis888,

    No. I think you got that wrong.

    What happened most likely is that Melisandre saw those three deaths in her flames and jumped on the occasion by making Stannis believe that her magic causes those three deaths.

    Melisandre isn’t as powerful as you claim her to be, as we discover in her POV chapter in ADWD.

    And it is heavily hinted that a Faceless Man hired by Euron killed Balon… not a “shadowbaby”.

  247. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    bassale,

    The actor was unable to come back for the role. You can’t blame the showrunners for the unpredictability of the film/TV industry. Do you think they wouldn’t get him back if they could? I’m sure they would like Conan Stevens back as well. But he made sure that wasn’t going to happen.

  248. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    He wasn’t available for Season 2. He was available for Season 3, but HBO apparently did not approach him.

    Laura,

    Yes. Your point being?

    The map changes, but the locations for each season are set when the season starts. Hence you can see the Twins and the Eyrie on the map in Episode 1, long before they go there. You don’t see Harrenhal at the start of Season 2 because it is re-using the Season 1 title sequence for that particular segment to save money. Otherwise it (and Dragonstone, and Pyke) appear on the sections rendered specifically for Season 2.

    So for Season 3, Yunkai and Astapor appearing on the map but not Meereen heavily indicate that Meereen will not appear in Season 3. It should appear on the map in Season 4. If that’s not the case and Dany does go to Meereen in Season 3…what is she going to be doing for the next two or three seasons?

  249. pntrlqst
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad HBO doesn’t allow actors to take seasons off and then come back later. They’re putting their feet down, and letting actors know you can’t get away with. Otherwise everyone would be requesting a leave of absence for seasons at a time. Instead, they all have the incentive to stick with the show when they’re needed.

  250. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Well now I look like a jackass. Why wouldn’t they bring him back?

  251. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Officially? Because they have 4,000 actors employed already for Season 3, and reducing cast costs was important.

    Also, maybe having the Greatjon out there in the wild is a plot point they can revisit later on (have the Greatjon taking Maege Mormont and Galbert Glover’s place in going to Greywater Watch offscreen?).

    Unofficially, there was speculation that him being double-booked for S2 annoyed HBO, and they didn’t invite him back because of that. That was pure speculation, though.

  252. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    pntrlqst,

    Except that the Greatjon wasn’t in Book 2 and came back in Book 3 (like, say, Barristan Selmy). HBO could have worked around it if they had really wanted to.

  253. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    (erm, except that Barristan was in Book 2, of course, cough)

  254. pntrlqst
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Did they tell him to take the season off? I thought it was more like the case with Conan Stevens, which I think HBO handled fine, despite the fact that Ian Whyte is not a very good Gregor. If the Greatjon actor himself said he was unavailable to work season two, then good on HBO for not bringing him back for season three. If D&D chose to not include him in season two and season three on their own, then yeah, not the best decision but whatev.

  255. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Reading “Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together” makes me wonder how they will do the bedding scene. They obviously can’t show full nudity, I assume they will just stop it before they start to undress.

  256. Mike Chair
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe: They obviously can’t show full nudity,

    Endless Giraffe,

    Of course, they can’t show ANY. As the philosopher Lennon wrote, “Well she was just seventeen. You know what I mean.”

    Actually, she may have been just sixteen when they shot it. So, no way, Walder Frey.

  257. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I didn’t mean to sound like I was advocating nudity, Just curious how that would play out. I was completely surprised last season with the near rape scene last season, who knows how far they will go without showing anything.

  258. Mike Chair
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    No. You didn’t sound like that at all. I just wanted to put the kibosh on an issue best left alone. As to how far “they” will go … my guess is that HBO has excellent lawyers. HBO won’t go anywhere near it. I’ll bet “the rape scene” (which wasn’t a rape scene but was more like an almost, kind of several moments away from, a rape scene) was the subject of serious discussion, analysis and review, as it should have been.

  259. sherry
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    I think after Shae betrays Tyrion by testifying against him Tyrion will simply banish her–send her back to where she came from. End of relationship. Tywin is thrilled, and rubs it in to the point Tyrion gets very angry, especially when he finds out Tywin was behind Shae’s betrayal(maybe through threats of death). Tyrion is reminded of all the BS his Father has put him through, and that’s when Tyrion kills his father. I can see when Tywin says, “you are not my son”, Tyrion saying, “Thank the Gods” then, fleeing. So, I don’t think Tyrion is going to kill Shae, either, just run her off back to her country.

  260. Jentario
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Ivey West:
    Endless Giraffe,

    Nothing to say that we’ll see them for most of those episodes. My guess is they might appear in only one episode between their departure from Craster’s Keep and Episode 8.

    They delayed Sam the Slayer for a reason- to fill up one more episode.

  261. Kroket
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    They might show her in her corset yeah… Pretty silly. The scene would be so much stronger /better with Sansa naked (as in the books) but they simply can’t because of silly legal issue.
    It’s funny that a country calling itself land of the free and home of the brave doesn’t give a 16 year old actress the option to make her own choice as to she wants to get naked or not (which she very well might not want anyway…)

    Like as if a a pair of 16 year old breasts are something criminal!? Countries like France have a much more reasonable attitude towards stuff like this. In UK / USA Sophie doesn’t even get to make the choice herself which frankly is just downright criminal (against a persons own liberty)

    Edit: same with the bluray commentaries BTW. ‘We are going to skip this for obivous legal reasons.’ Sophie, Maisie and Isaac are not allowed to watch Loras and Renly make out and see Margaery’s boobs (oh no the horror!) But they are laughing when Pycelle’s beard is ripped off / other violent stuff… Hypocricy in full swing… Like as if they havent watched those scenes themselves at home in private!

  262. Nymeria_D_Wolf
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Don’t they have the storyline with Aemon after they return? Jon is integral to that, and we’re a long way from that yet.

  263. Zack
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    You’ve seen American Beauty, I assume. There is a topless shot of a sixteen year old which had to be approved by the girl’s parents. It’s not illegal in every circumstance. There are simply strict rules about such things.

    Having said that, I am in favor of not showing nudity in that scene. I would be fine with implied nudity, or ‘off-camera’ nudity (for Tyrion reaction shots) but there’s no need to actually film it. Because, ick.

  264. Nymeria_D_Wolf
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I thought the map was different for each episode and only shows the places that are to be visited in THAT episode

    tweedie,

    We didn’t read of Nymeria in the books for a long time either, just hints that a roaming pack led by a female may have been her. The only time you truly know of her is after RW, so to bring that in in the series wouldn’t be a shock.

    Also, am I only one who thought that the wolf watching Robb’s march towards Harrenhal WAS Nymeria? I thought the colouring was much too dark to have been Grey Wind, and if she is to witness the aftermath of RW then she must be in the Riverlands.

    I agree that the non-readers won’t forget about Arya having had a direwolf though. The boy’s wolves are constantly there, and Sansa mentioned Lady again when speaking to Margaery and Olenna. Add that to the possibility of them showing Nymeria like I said above and I think they may be setting up the memory

  265. Kroket
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Mike Chair,

    You’ve seen American Beauty, I assume. There is a topless shot of a sixteen year old which had to be approved by the girl’s parents. It’s not illegal in every circumstance. There are simply strict rules about such things.

    Having said that, I am in favor of not showing nudity in that scene. I would be fine with implied nudity, or ‘off-camera’ nudity (for Tyrion reaction shots) but there’s no need to actually film it. Because, ick.

    I really don’t see the ick… like as if that would be dirty or anything… It’s not like it’s simulated sex or porn for which you could make a case. It’s simply functional nudity.
    Only one person should decide that (well Benioff & Weiss might simply not want to do it if it were allowed at all) and that’s Sophie really…

    You are right about American Beauty but that’s a movie from 1999. Law was changed in i think 2003 or 2004… So no nudity -18 whatsoever in US (and UK) which is kind of insane. (actually the baby in s2 with Dany and Drogo was a girl (audio comments) and was ‘topless’ so let’s hope that doesnt become a ‘Bush-like’ scandal somehow)

    Personally i think the strip scene in s2 the throne room worked just fine but for this particular scene you should really see Tyrion’s ‘lust’ for Sansa and that works bes with her naked (or at least topless)

  266. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Kroket,

    You can judge me all you want for being a hyocritical westerner but I don’t see that scene going down very well. However….they may get away with nudity from behind (is an ass shot less pornographic than a frontal shot?) in a wide shot to create impartiality whilst maintaining Tyrion’s subjectivity. A body double may be employed as well.

  267. Kroket
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Kroket,

    You can judge me all you want for being a hyocritical westerner but I don’t see that scene going down very well. However….they may get away with nudity from behind (is an ass shot less pornographic than a frontal shot?) in a wide shot to create impartiality whilst maintaining Tyrion’s subjectivity. A body double may be employed as well.

    No it will not go down well in this time which is very sad. It’s fine to have Arya / Maisie stab a stable boy but a 16 year old showing her breasts isn’t. (who came up with 18 anyway. If this limit were made 19 would all nude scenes by 18 year olds suddenly be ‘dirty’ and if it were made 16 would everything just be ‘normal’.
    To me the only relevant point is if the actress is able to make the conscious decision to do nudity or not (and what it means)… And well… If you ask me Sophie is perfectly capable of making that decision for herself…

    the entire discussion is irrelevant since they wont show anything including a body double (i despise the use of body doubles it’s lying to the viewer…). They simply wont take the risk even if there was some kind of loophole (which there isnt i think)

  268. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Kroket,

    If the writers are good, everything could be conveyed through dialogue well enough. It wouldn’t even be that hard to show tyrions intentions and such

  269. Shmurb
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Kroket,

    I dunno, I agree with Endless Giraffe that there’s a lot of ways they can show the emotion with strong writing, that don’t involve nudity. I totally agree with you that the violence/nudity dynamic is a completely fucked up part of Western culture. There’s nothing inherently wrong with nudity. Maybe she should have her own choice, but 16 is seriously pretty young. I wouldn’t be comfortable seeing it, and the pressure involved on a person who, while professional, is still very young, to make that decision is just not worth it IMO. I don’t really think it’s necessary at all.

    I have to totally disagree with the body double/”lying to the viewers” thing too. Jaime/Cersei scene in Episode 1 for example. Yeah, they had to show them fucking. Lena Headey didn’t want to do any nudity, so they used a “double bum”. That’s her, as a grown woman, making a choice, the same choice that you profess people should have in previous comments. Who cares? The scene made it’s point, did what it was supposed to do, and she didn’t have to compromise herself in any way. How is that effecting to the viewer at all?

  270. Kroket
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb:
    Kroket,

    I dunno, I agree with Endless Giraffe that there’s a lot of ways they can show the emotion with strong writing, that don’t involve nudity. I totally agree with you that the violence/nudity dynamic is a completely fucked up part of Western culture. There’s nothing inherently wrong with nudity. Maybe she should have her own choice, but 16 is seriously pretty young. I wouldn’t be comfortable seeing it, and the pressure involved on a person who, while professional, is still very young, to make that decision is just not worth it IMO. I don’t really think it’s necessary at all.

    I have to totally disagree with the body double/”lying to the viewers” thing too. Jaime/Cersei scene in Episode 1 for example. Yeah, they had to show them fucking. Lena Headey didn’t want to do any nudity, so they used a “double bum”. That’s her, as a grown woman, making a choice, the same choice that you profess people should have in previous comments. Who cares? The scene made it’s point, did what it was supposed to do, and she didn’t have to compromise herself in any way. How is that effecting to the viewer at all?

    I am sure they’ll do fine as they did with the ‘strip scene’ …

    The scene with Lena worked ok but that was but a ‘butt double’ (hehe) With ‘bigger’ nude scenes (like breasts) you never see the actress her face (only the body)… That’s basically lying no matter how you put it…

    I dislike this hammering on age. 16 is pretty young but 18 isnt?! Really? You should look to the individual at all times and not come up with a restrictive and discriminating law… If you have watched Sophie’s interviews i am sure you’ll agree she’d be very capable of making such a choice for herself.

    If you dont feel comfortable watching it… well that’s exactly what the scene is supposed to do right!? It’s supposed to be uncomfortable for all involved (save for Joffrey i guess…) Anyhow i say ‘case closed’ its not going to happen since Sophie was 16 at the time of shooting. HBO wont bother… And yeah the scene will hopefully turn out fine anyhow.

  271. Drogon
    Posted April 15, 2013 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Virtus,

    The older gentelman is either Coldhands, or a funny way of describing the white walker with the beard.

  272. Eddward
    Posted April 15, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Nymeria_D_Wolf,

    I am keeping my hopes up. I am glad to see others agree. To remind viewers of Nymeria they could begin with a scene of Arya sleeping, then cut to a scene through Nymera’s eyes. In that perspective the wolf (and Arya through the wolf) discover the body of Arya’s mother. At the sound of approaching men the wolf flees. At that moment they could cut back to Arya who suddenly awakes from the wolf dream, shocked at what she just saw. They can stay on that shot for a few moments as Arya grasps the gravity of what she just saw. This could let readers know Arya has wolf dreams like Bran and at the same time let them know that Arya’s direwolf is still alive. After the scene with Arya, they could then cut back to the river and play out the events surrounding the creation of Un-Cat. Just some thoughts on how it could have been done without confusing the viewers.

  273. Michael
    Posted April 15, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Season 3 is ending with the Red Wedding, which should either be in episode 9 or 10.

    Season 4 is going to cover the rest of Book 3 and then start in on Books 4 and 5, which will be presented chronological, rather than separating them by location as GRRM did in print. So, Season 4 won’t be lacking in the slightest.

    Kyrion,

  274. Michael
    Posted April 15, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    There’s definite merit in that argument, though I doubt they would take one of the most prominent actresses in the series out of the picture for an entire year. They weren’t even willing to that with Theon, and his character was MIA for two books.

    And since the end of Book 3 will likely come halfway through Season 4, I think it’s a much stronger image left for the end of the season, and the only other option would be for her to show up a chunk of the way through the events of Book 4/Book 5, which get so far removed from the Red Wedding, it loses some impact.

    My money says Lady Stoneheart will appear at the end of Season 3. Could be wrong, of course, but I think both narratively and in terms of how show business works, it’s the most likely choice.

    The Loon,

  275. Dan Spicer
    Posted April 16, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    I’ll go one further… Arya wargs and drags a dead cat to Thoros, whom she has seen bring Beric back. Then the passing of the flame, cut to black. EPs 8,9,10 are gonna rock. Blue Wedding, Red Wedding, Purple Wedding back to back to back. Are you kidding me?

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    Posted April 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

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