Episode 23 Preview: “Walk of Punishment”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

“Throw him off the Wall; see if crows can fly.” -Mance Rayder

“Tyrion gains new responsibilities; Jon is taken to the Fist of the First Men; Daenerys meets with the slavers; Jaime strikes a deal with his captors.”

“Walk of Punishment,” written and directed by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, contains the long-delayed debuts of the Blackfish (Clive Russell) and Edmure Tully (Tobias Menzies). It looks to be an action-packed episode, with the preview featuring scenes of Arya and the Brotherhood, Robb and the Northern cause, the Night’s Watch beyond the Wall, and Theon making a desperate play for freedom.

Ours is the Fury: I’ve been waiting to see the Tully men for years now. Excited doesn’t begin to cover it.


113 Comments

  1. Grijnwaald
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

  2. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Second sons

  3. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Looks great but seriously, HBO, if our Master of Whisperers fails to make an appearance for the third episode running I will be forming a rebellion of my own.

  4. BTR
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Varys better be coming in soon.

    The Daenerys scenes in the first episode were excellent; I would guess that her plot will be the highlight of the season (although individual scenes for the other characters will probably be brilliant).

    Has anyone else actually been disappointed with the Jaime/Brienne and Arya plots so far? The season has still barely begun, but those scenes in the second episode fell a bit flat for me.

  5. direhound
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    As for the Spider, from what I’ve gathered online. Varys makes his cutting speech to Tyrion very soon. and it’s rather riveting.
    Spoilers if you haven’t read ASOS on the link: http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/game-of-thrones-the-greatness-is-in-the-details-20130412

  6. Mad Hatter
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Unexpectedly, Jaime gives his captors a hand.

  7. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    BTR,

    I liked them but wished they had made it more clear that Jaime was half starved and very rusty when he was fighting Brienne. As it is, I’m not sure the audience appreciate just how good a fighter Jaime is.

    I liked Arya’s scenes and what they did with Thoros. Liked the Hounds entry too. As always though, the episodes feel too short. Make’em two hours I say!

  8. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Mad Hatter,

    I bet you’re very pleased with how witty you were there. ;)

    Glad to hear Varys will be making the cut…

  9. OldRod
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    BTR,

    I liked them but wished they had made it more clear that Jaime was half starved and very rusty when he was fighting Brienne. As it is, I’m not sure the audience appreciate just how good a fighter Jaime is.

    I loved the look on Brienne’s face as she was taking control of the fight.

    As for Jaime, we’ve only seen him fight once before in the series haven’t we? His reputation as a great swordsman has come pretty much from people talking about how great he is.

  10. BTR
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    OldRod,

    I thought that the acting was good and I did like Brienne’s facial expressions. I thought the script was fine too.

    I suppose that I just found other scenes more interesting. Lunch with Olenna, Margaery and Joffrey, etc. Perhaps it was just that these scenes were harder to translate to screen and it felt like they moved the plot forward the least of all. Not to mention that the characters of Brienne and Jaime have not been fleshed out on screen as much as they were at this point in the books (in contrast, IMO, to most of the other major characters). I could see a non-reader wondering why he should care about the dynamic between Jaime and Brienne, for example.

  11. Dammit Patrice
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    There is something i love about Craster´s voice and i dont know what it is.

  12. Astaroth
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Theon “runing away”? Would that be an unexpected turn of events or will it be just Ramsay (Allegedly!) setting up a beautiful hunting day?)

    In any case… Arya’s and Daenerys’ scenes should be… interesting. Yearning to see how they’ll come out.

  13. Lycanthropist
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    I just want to make a suggestion and this is not meant to be inflammatory at all:

    I think we need to stop assuming what non-readers know or not. I think we as readers can often make the mistake of assuming that without the books no one has a clue what’s going on in the show, and I believe that is actually false.

    We are not giving non-readers enough credit. I imagine there are plenty of intelligent and deductive viewers who do have a grasp on the SHOW characters as they have been developed in the SHOW.

    I know my non-reader friends absolutely love the Jamie/Brienne arc and can’t wait to see them continue to verbally or physically spar.

    I am not saying we shouldn’t critique the show if/when it is vague, but we can only critique it’s vagueness in relation to the story being told on screen, rather than compare its threads against the deeper threads of the books.

  14. Grijnwaald
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    BTR,

    As always though, the episodes feel too short. Make’em two hours I say!

    I’m good with this

  15. Mike Chair
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    BTR: Has anyone else actually been disappointed with the Jaime/Brienne and Arya plots so far? The season has still barely begun, but those scenes in the second episode fell a bit flat for me.

    There wasn’t enough screen time — just the very choppy episode two. I have no doubt NCW can (and will) bring it. As for Arya, the sooner Maisie and Rory McCann start their discourse the better. Every time Rory McCann speaks it’s pure unadulterated badassery.

    “He ran. Not very fast…”
    “I’m no ser.”
    “No, it gives me joy to kill people.”
    “F*ck the Kingsguard. F*ck the city. F*ck the king.”

    There are more.

  16. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    BTR,

    That’s a big no from this end. Love Brienne/Jaime, and Arya’s great no matter what. Haven’t been underwhelmed at all. My biggest thing is that I’m imagining that a couple of characters that had excellent, season-long arcs last year play slightly more minor roles this time through and I wonder how that’s going to be reconciled without people forgetting about them. (Well, one is hard to forget about, but his storyline just isn’t as strong as last year.)

  17. Grijnwaald
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist:
    I just want to make a suggestion and this is not meant to be inflammatory at all:

    I think we need to stop assuming what non-readers know or not.I think we as readers can often make the mistake of assuming that without the books no one has a clue what’s going on in the show, and I believe that is actually false.

    We are not giving non-readers enough credit.I imagine there are plenty of intelligent and deductive viewers who do have a grasp on the SHOW characters as they have been developed in the SHOW.

    I know my non-reader friends absolutely love the Jamie/Brienne arc and can’t wait to see them continue to verbally or physically spar.

    I am not saying we shouldn’t critique the show if/when it is vague, but we can only critique it’s vagueness in relation to the story being told on screen, rather than compare its threads against the deeper threads of the books.

    I’m a non-reader and I like to think that I know exactly what’s going on in the show (but that’s probably because I’m obssessed with it!) I get what you’re saying and I think that’s why we have posts from people like the venerable Oz!

  18. the goat
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    OldRod,

    Book spoiler: which is one more fight than we get in the books. (he didnt fight Ned in the book).</b

  19. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Yes. There are more. So here are more.

    “Any of those flaming fucking arrows come near me, I’ll strangle you with your own guts.”
    “Do as you’re bid, child.”
    “I won’t hurt you. Little bird.”
    “Any man dies with a clean sword, I rape his fucking corpse!”
    “I didn’t do it for you.” (response to Tyrion)
    “Stannis is a killer. The Lannisters are killers. Your father was a killer. Your brother. Your sons will be killers. The world is built by killers. So you’d better get used to looking at them.”

  20. Topdecker577
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    OldRod: I loved the look on Brienne’s face as she was taking control of the fight.

    As for Jaime, we’ve only seen him fight once before in the series haven’t we? His reputation as a great swordsman has come pretty much from people talking about how great he is.

    Didn’t he kill a bunch of men single-handed during the battle at the siege of Riverrun, including both sons of Karstark?

  21. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    This. The Unsullied on TWOP, who have not read the books, knew that Jaime was in chains and not in great shape. I’ve watched the episode 4 times and I think they did a great job in showing that he was out of shape and weak. The fight wasn’t nearly as grand as in the books, but this was to be expected. Jaime is my favorite character, and I do wish they could have shown him slicing Robb’s honor guard to pieces before being captured, as that was probably the best chance for the show to showcase his legendary skills. But I think most viewers understand that he is a great swordsman and his identity is rooted in his ability as a fighter.

  22. Mike Chair
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    What was the one he said right after he saved Sansa from the riot? Something about putting the bird back in her cage or something.

  23. Joan Català
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Is this the episode where Jaime tries his hand at amputation?

  24. Meg
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been loving the Jaime/Brienne stuff. It’s probably the arc I was most looking forward to this year and I think they’ve been doing a great job so far.

    And I’ve read enough non-reader reviews to know that people are smart enough to understand that Jaime wasn’t exactly at his best.

  25. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    So apparently the end of the episode is when Jaime gets his hand chopped off. And supposedly a punk rock version of ‘The Bear and the Maiden Fair’ will play over the ending credits. TV viewers will be clueless about it, but book readers will get the foreshadowing. Expect a lot of buzz following the ending.

  26. Hollyoak
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    “I just scroll down…”
    (From the Brotherhood without Previews Oath of Fealty.)

    I want to swear fealty to someone. You know, kneel and offer my sword.

    Where, um, can I do that?

    (I can’t believe that in three years of watching Game of Thrones, I have yet to watch a “Next on Game of Thrones…”

  27. Doug
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else find that reading the books ruins some aspects of the show? For example several things I’ve found not so great about season 3 thus far, non book readers I know love them and are among their favorite scenes so far.

    That made me think about it and I think the books are so amazing they may actually be taking away from the show for me.

  28. Mike Chair
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Doug,

    To a degree. But I’d rather have the books ruin the show than have the show ruin the books. As Marx said, “Outside of a dog, a book is a man’s best friend. Inside of a dog, it’s too dark to read.” That’s Groucho Marx, of course.

  29. Easteros bunny
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Are you serious? Theon being let free? Are you freaking kidding me? Really? Seriously?

    Bollocks! So what Theon goes free and goes on a shagging tour of the realm? “Theon shags tour 2013″ I mean there has been no sex or nudity at all so far, why are they changing the story just so Theon can go and knock up half the female population of westeros. God dam it, god dam it!

  30. Caro H
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    “The little bid’s bleeding. someone take her back to her cage and see to that cut”

  31. See Lemoncakes
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Starting a prayer circle for Blackfish Blues that her Tullys are done right!

    On that note Davos and Edmure will be on this weeks Doctor Who.

  32. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Doug,

    Only if you let it. If you are expecting things to be exactly the same as in the books and that is the only way you can judge the show, then the books can ruin it for you.

  33. Hounded
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny,

    You haven’t read the books have you…

  34. Morgan King
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny:
    Are you serious? Theon being let free? Are you freaking kidding me? Really? Seriously?

    Bollocks! So what Theon goes free and goes on a shagging tour of the realm? “Theon shags tour 2013″ I mean there has been no sex or nudity at all so far, why are they changing the story just so Theon can go and knock up half the female population of westeros. God dam it, god dam it!

    I think you aren’t remembering the flashbacks to his captivity very well.

  35. Tberm
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    sooo is iwan rheon playing ramsay??? if he is i hope he doesnt let theon go

  36. Greg
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Regarding Theon:

    Theon doesn’t run away. He mentions in ADWD that Ramsay was fond of hunting people, so he pretended to let Theon escape, only to hunt him down soon after (he also accuses Theon of “disobeying his lord” and then takes a few fingers because he’s just that fucked up). The show is probably mixing that storyline with some elements from book two, where Ramsay is pretending to be on Theon’s side, only to fuck him over royally. Assuming the mysterious broomsweep is indeed Ramsay, which I have a hard time believing he isn’t.

  37. Nagga's Kin
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    Find a wall, continue north.

  38. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know if we will see Quaithe this season? She was in Storm of Swords I think.

  39. tweedie
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald: I’m obssessed with it!

    I’ll say. You’ve been first into action more times than the f’king marines!

  40. Leuf
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    I just wish the Brienne/Jaime fight had started in one location, then they cut to another scene, then came back to it and they’ve moved to a new location. So you get the sense that the fight went on for a while before Brienne finally overcame him without actually showing it all. It wouldn’t have taken any more time in the episode to do that and you actually use your need to switch between many characters to your advantage. But it’s just not that big of a deal. Now leaving out the peach last season, that was a big deal ;)

  41. CT Wahoo
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    The guy who told Theon that his sister had sent him and that he would come back once the castle is asleep is Ramsay. No question. He’ll help Theon escape only to ensure he is subsequently captured. Then, I expect that he will pose as a fellow tortured prisoner (though Theon will never actually see him get tortured) in order to gain his trust. Once he finds out from him what he wants to know (are Bran and Rickon actually dead or not?), he’ll reveal himself and go to work on Theon some more. This is the only way I think this arc stretches across all of Season 3. I would guess that Season 4 will follow Theon’s descent into madness as Reek.

  42. 709Razin
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    I love the hound quotes – last week’s ranks up there “What in seven hells are you doing with the Stark Bitch”…..I like him in the book but the TV version is ranking high for me!!

  43. Walter Harrow
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    It looks like Sansa will be missing during this episode (she isnt mentioned in the synopsis and doesnt appear in this teaser). They could easily just have her appear in a scene with Shae/Littlefinger etc but the episode looks like it will be packed (Dany, Jon, Arya, Jaime/Brienne, Tyrion, Cersei, Cat/Robb/Tullys, Nights Watch, Stannis, Theon) so it looks like Sansa and Bran (and maybe Joffrey) will be the main characters who miss this weeks episode

  44. ebevan91
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Walter Harrow:
    It looks like Sansa will be missing during this episode (she isnt mentioned in the synopsis and doesnt appear in this teaser). They could easily just have her appear in a scene with Shae/Littlefinger etc but the episode looks like it will be packed (Dany, Jon, Arya, Jaime/Brienne, Tyrion, Cersei, Cat/Robb/Tullys, Nights Watch, Stannis, Theon) so it looks like Sansa and Bran (and maybe Joffrey) will be the main characters who miss this weeks episode

    Ehh, just because she isn’t mentioned doesn’t means she won’t be in the episode. Jon wasn’t mentioned in episode 2′s synopsis.

  45. Mimsy
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    BTR: I could see a non-reader wondering why he should care about the dynamic between Jaime and Brienne, for example.

    A viewer would care because they know Brienne has precious cargo in tow and she’s actually on a straight forward mission. Get Jaime to Kingslanding no matter what the cost… and keep him ALIVE. In any movie/tv series… when the mission is this straightforward and “easy”…ya just know stuff is gonna happen.

    Besides… Brienne is a knight.. a female knight… and not a slacker, pretty princess knight… Brienne’s character alone is worthy of a thumbs up.

    I’m enjoying their on screen story and so are the non book viewers that I know.

  46. Turri
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Exposition is over, the chess board has been set up (very well), now we need some action. Spill the blood and show the boobs!

  47. BTR
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    I hope so — she is my favorite secondary character by far.

    Mimsy,

    Of course their subplot is important. The one question that my friends, both readers and non-readers, have is why time is being devoted to things we consider secondary (banter etc.) when there are other characters we agree are more interesting. But no one really likes their characters as much as the the members of this forum.

  48. Clambake
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    First off I love the show. I love it because I read the books. If I didn’t, I would have to watch every episode multiple times with captions and not miss a single syllable. They have dumbed down and simplified the books tremendously and the show is still way too complex. I was hoping for 13 episode seasons and 2 hour premiers of finales. I watch the show with my father (an 81 year old man and a graduate of Johns Hopkins) and the only character he can truly discern is Ned Stark. All I’m saying is “I wish it was better and not so refined and stripped down.

    Also, The Wire is hands down the best TV show ever created. GoT has nothing on that show. Then Deadwood and The Sopranos are pretty much even for second place. Then GoT, Boardwalk Empire, Oz and almost every comedy and drama HBO puts on with a few exceptions come after. Honestly, all I watch is HBO, Adult Swim, and Discovery/Science Channel.

  49. Joey
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Who’s that with the bow at the end. blackfish or edmure? Does anyone else wanna see the scene with edmure missing the boat?
    Personly I like jamie/brownness and Aryas story so far. But then again I like all the stories even if there is a little nit picking.

  50. MyBFFTheHound
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Joey, it’s Blackfish. And you will get that scene.

  51. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I’ve noticed a trend that people who have read the books are assuming that non-readers will be totally lost if they only have the show to use as reference… First, that’s ridiculous. It’s not as if this is brain surgery. It’s a serialized television show. Just because someone hasn’t read the books doesn’t mean they are simple. I watch the show with a large group of non-readers (two groups, actually, if I include my family – all non-readers), and most of them seem to have a better grasp of what’s happening in the show than some book readers on this site and at Westeros and a few other forums. It’s as if the idea that something can happen differently, but still achieve the same purpose as in the novels, is incomprehensible. For instance, if I have to hear another person question why they revealed Barristan in the premiere… And these people are serious. …no deduction, no outside-the-box thinking, not even any common sense.

    Anyway; my point is, just because we’ve read the books and a lot of fans (most of whom likely will never post a message on a fan message board or comments section) haven’t, doesn’t mean that we’re smarter than those who have not read the novels. I don’t feel that this condescension is done purposely, for the most part, but it’s certainly become more prevalent. Sure, the book series is somewhat more complex than the show, but neither of them are so dense as to be incomprehensible to someone who is paying attention. Not even close attention, mind you; just watching the show without distraction would likely suffice.

    So, yeah… Rant over. On-topic: This episode looks great! Now that the wheels are in motion, I have a feeling that this season is going to roll along at an ever-increasing pace until it ends and our long watch begins.

  52. Virtus
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Joey,

    Pretty sure it will go down just like in the book with Blackfish and Edmure, since in different shots we have seen both of them shooting a bow by the riverside.

  53. Mimsy
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    BTR: But no one really likes their characters as much as the the members of this forum.

    I wouldn’t say no one likes their characters. I don’t recall a review (at least that I’ve read) that doesn’t appreciate the banter. These two are known for their odd couple banter, which I’ve always found quite entertaining.. and I’ve read many a review that also appreciates the back and forth ribbing. Just like the Tyrion, yo momma jokes… it’s always a highlight in the reviews.

    Yes, these two do a lot of traveling, but I think there’s been a good mix of community interaction and things are just about to pick up per the trailers.

  54. Biscotti
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    I have read the books, but made a point of not re-reading them this year, and I find that having them not so fresh in my mind enhances my enjoyment of the show. They are doing a cracking job so far.

    And yes, my non book reading friends are very astute. They are already convinced Robb is a goner, Dany will sell a dragon for some slaves, the sweep is the Bastard who is playing with Theon, Bolton is not to be trusted..

  55. Bean
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Clambake,

    Also, The Wire is hands down the best TV show ever created.

    Amen.

  56. BTR
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Mimsy,

    Sorry, I meant among my friends.

  57. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only person that wonders why the battles in Spartacus are better than the ones (just one really) in Game of Thrones?….its unbelievable.

  58. Mike Chair
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER: Am I the only person that wonders why the battles in Spartacus are better than the ones (just one really) in Game of Thrones?….its unbelievable.

    “Some wars are won with swords others with quills and ravens.”
    — Tywin Lannister ASOS Tyrion I

    ALWAYS SUPPORT THE BOTTOM!

  59. Arthur
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Spartacus made me cry like a lil girl…

  60. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Me too! LOL

  61. Ours is the Fury
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER,

    A Song of Ice and Fire has never been about the battles. It’s about the politics and the families and the game. Most of the battles happen ‘off-stage’ in the books as well.

  62. Arthur
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER,

    The Spartacus battles are awesome but the CGI is laughable and so fake looking but after a few episodes you get used to it and don’t mind so much… It’s like you build up a tolerance for bad VFX.

    The gore and raw sexuality and bad CGI are Spartacus trademarks but besides that I really enjoyed the series and it was a great show.

    Those characters have been on my TV screen for four years and I will miss them all…

    I wonder if D&D might try to scope a few of them up for future GoT character castings. Would be awesome to see Crixus, Spartacus or Gannicus again =].

  63. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to stop watching till episode 5,8 and 10 if i can help it. Can’t stand watching 1 episode then waiting a week, it works better if you watch them in a marathon in my opinion.

  64. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I know….but i’m really talking about Blackwater. There was soo much hype around that episode and most of the battles in Spartacus (even though they are over the top) seem to be better. For such a major battle, it looked like HBO only hired 173 guys to battle in a about half the size of a football field. Could have been much more epic.

  65. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I agree with everything you just wrote here….

  66. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor:
    I’m going to stop watching till episode 5,8 and 10 if i can help it. Can’t stand watching 1 episode then waiting a week, it works better if you watch them in a marathon in my opinion.

    You could always marathon them after the season is over. This weekly release of a new episode is great for fan discussion, hype, Internet parodies and fan videos and songs, etc. Don’t miss out on the weekly fun so you can marathon the episodes later, when the whole season will be available for unlimited consumption in 9 weeks.

  67. Fiona
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Based on this info (http://winteriscoming.net/features/episode-guide/season-three/) this week’s ep will be a full 4 minutes shorter than last week’s! Every second and minute counts, so that hurts.

  68. Arthur
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER,

    Yeah…

    Spartacus is no GoT but it deserves a standing ovation. It was a great series if you watch it with the the pure desire for some rated r adult sword and sandal entertainment sprinkled in with some hardcore sex scenes…

    There was decent character development with the main gladiators and villains and some fun plot twists as well. It never reached the complexity of GoT but it was more of a action series and less of a plot series.

    Spartacus was blood and gore, tits and ass (and lots of penis) personified. The TV series pushed the limits of nudity and gore. The dialog was raw and to the point.

    I can go on and on about it but this is a GoT forum… The only reason this post may be relevant on this site is because I’m sure GoT and Spartacus share a huge portion of their audience. I’m sure D&D already congratulated the Spartacus show runners on a great series…..

  69. the other guy
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER,

    As a fan of both show, I enjoyed Blackwater 10 times more than any battle in Spartacus. Know why ? Because I care far much more for Tyrion, Stannis, Davos, Sansa, etc… than I do for Spartacus, Gannicus, Crixus and the others.

    GoT, (just like AsoIAF) makes you care about the characters. That’s one of the many reason, for me, to find GoT much more interesting than Spartacus.

    Arthur:
    NOTABOOKREADER,

    I wonder if D&D might try to scope a few of them up for future GoT character castings.Would be awesome to see Crixus, Spartacus or Gannicus again =].

    Yes, I think they are decent actors, and I can totally see some of them in GoT. Especially now that the show ended, most of them might be free for another role. Can’t wait to see if any of them is cast for season 4.

  70. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Fiona,

    Originally it was said that season 3 would be about 50 minutes longer in total than season 2. Then a few weeks ago it was down to 3 minutes longer per episode, on average, which will amount to about 30 more minutes this year. I’m more interested in the really strong reviews for episodes 3 and 4, which most of the critics seemed to agree were both really good.

  71. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 12, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER,

    I don’t watch ‘Spartacus’, mostly because I loathed ’300′, and the show seemed to be similar in tone and style.

  72. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    the other guy,

    I am much more of a major fan of GOT over Spartacus….but I’ll admit, i was seriously disappointed by the Blackwater episode….my point is, with the budget that HBO supposedly spent on that episode, it could have had some type of large scale battle….and it didn’t. It looked like Stannis vs Tyrion with 100 other guys….i still love GOT, but they robbed the bank with that one.

  73. NOTABOOKREADER
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Thats EXACTLY what it was like. Man..how could you not like 300!?!? …lol

  74. Yes I Have Your Axe
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Somehow Spartacus came up, so now I automatically have to mention how awesome a character Ashur was. He was the man.

    “You…f*cking…c#nts.”

  75. Hexonx
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Speaking of 300 and Spartacus, it would be great to see Peter Mensah somewhere down the line. Maybe somewhere in Dany’s storyline.

    pic 1

    pic 2

  76. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Spartacus had some great characters, dialogue and writing but it tried to hard to emulate 300, which has some high points (Butler, Fassbender, Lena’s awesome Gorgo) but is mired by its bastardization of Miller’s graphic novel. Fantasy monsters at Thermopylae? Really? That battle deserved better in cinematic terms. They should have adapted “Gates of Fire” instead. Rant over.

    I am excited for the Caesar spin off, which I hear may actually be happening. I hope they flashback to the Marius/Sulla days. Sulla is one of the most fascinating figures in Roman history and he is constantly referenced with creepy foreboding. Even in Spartacus. The best he got so far was Richard Harris playing him in a terrible Julius Caesar TV movie.
    That said Showtime or Starz needs to adapt Colleen McCullough’s Masters of Rome. “The Grass Crown” is up there with ASOS in the great books pantheon for me.

  77. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Yes I Have Your Axe,

    Ashur would be awesome on GoT. The Tattered Prince? The Red Viper???

  78. Maester Blaster
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    I’m perfectly okay with the lack of battles if it saves money for maintaining the biggest and best cast in the history of TV. Would you rather cut ten or fifteen characters for a few shots of nameless extras hacking at each other with swords? Like OitF said that’s not what this show is about. I also liked HBO’s “Rome” better than “Spartacus”. Give me two characters I care about in a sword fight over a CGI gorefest any day.

  79. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    If the budget appears limited for battle scenes specifically for GoT then it will be interesting to see how THAT battle will be done in season 4. A lot of CGI? Although the cast in said storyline will be small, won’t they? Will it happen in bits over, say, three episodes, or will it take up an entire episode like D and D have hinted at? Also it seems Sam’s storyline is really progressing quickly, so I wonder what the chances are of Sam coming back to Castle Black before the big battle, and then him sort of taking the place of Donal Noye alongside Jon as an advisor with Maester Aemon? Will this battle be the climax for next season and does that mean Jon’s storyline will be more central? Because currently Jon is portayed as an unimportant side-character it seems. And if the first battle from the north doesn’t happen, (or maybe it will) what will Jon and the NW be getting up to for the rest of season 4, prepare for battle?

  80. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else see the guy nailed/tied to a post behind Dany, Ser Jorah and Ser Barristan… I don’t remember that from the book… It’s a bit too soon for the trail of slaves nailed to posts isn’t it…

  81. Balerion
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    Ramsay playing games with Theon.

  82. Jan
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    Of course, for us as readers Iwan Rheon was easily recognisable as Ramsay and the way you predicted it could play out nicely. But I doubt that non-book-readers will be fooled by Ramsay for that long. My girlfriend (non-reader) immediately shouted out “That guy is sooo fake, Yara would never sendthis one sneaky boy to rescue Theon”. Observant viewers notice more details then we believe they do.

  83. Door
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    BTR,

    So your argument is that you want more time dedicated to the characters you deem interesting? Lol, don’t we all?

    I love Jaime/Brienne and their banter, both in the books and in the show. And as far as I can tell most people do as well. Nearly all the reviews I’ve read have been praising their interaction and storyline.

  84. Juego de Tronos
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    This new episode will be very good!

  85. Turri
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Has anybody else noticed how this one seems to have a common theme? It’s dealing with captivity, or more generally, powerlessness. Think about it:
    - Davos as a prisoner
    - Stannis beaten and isolated
    - Slave armies to be traded
    - Dany without a way to pay
    - Jon threatened to be executed
    - Night’s Watch vs. Craster in a “who is in whose power?” conflict
    - ArGenPie and Sandor as captives
    - Jamie and Brienne as captives
    - Theon fleeing and being toyed with
    - the Tullys bound by duty
    - the Lannister boys as captives
    - Sansa as a hostage
    - Littlefinger, Varys, Tyrion as pawns

  86. sunspear
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    NOTABOOKREADER,

    The Spartacus battles are awesome but the CGI is laughable and so fake looking but after a few episodes you get used to it and don’t mind so much…It’s like you build up a tolerance for bad VFX.

    This. I watched a few youtube clips of Spartacus battles to see if I wanted to get into it, and comparing the battles to 300 is an insult to 300. I could never get into a series that looks that cheap, but to each his own.

  87. Hounded
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Clambake,

    No AMC?
    Breaking Bad and Mad Men!
    (ignore The Walking Dead…)

  88. Petearys
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    I take it Blackfish Blues won’t be missing this one…

  89. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe:
    If the budget appears limited for battle scenes specifically for GoT then it will be interesting to see how THAT battle will be done in season 4. A lot of CGI? Although the cast in said storyline will be small, won’t they? Will it happen in bits over, say, three episodes, or will it take up an entire episode like D and D have hinted at? Also it seems Sam’s storyline is really progressing quickly, so I wonder what the chances are of Sam coming back to Castle Black before the big battle, and then him sort of taking the place of Donal Noye alongside Jon as an advisor with Maester Aemon? Will this battle be the climax for next season and does that mean Jon’s storyline will be more central? Because currently Jon is portayed as an unimportant side-character it seems. And if the first battle from the north doesn’t happen, (or maybe it will) what will Jon and the NW be getting up to for the rest of season 4, prepare for battle?

    I read an interview with D&D where they indicated that next season there will be a battle that’s even bigger than Blackwater, so I don’t think you have anything to worry about.

  90. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    Looks like a pit fighter.

  91. BTR
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Door,

    While that is certainly true, that is not quite what I am saying. I am rather saying that given the show’s running time, my friends and I feel that some personal relationships (the Lannisters, Tyrells, Dany, etc.) affect the plot more directly than the relationship between Brienne and Jaime and consequently deserve more screen time.

  92. Hounded
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    BTR,

    Nope. I want as much screentime for Jaime and Brienne as humanly possible.

  93. sjwenings
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak: “I just scroll down…”
    (From the Brotherhood without Previews Oath of Fealty.)

    I want to swear fealty to someone. You know, kneel and offer my sword.

    Where, um, can I do that?

    Well, the way it’s usually done is simply copy/paste the oath into your post under a WiC post of some kind of preview/trailer that you do not want to watch, and possibly inspire others to stay “pure”-more or less.. I assume noone of the Brotherhood without previews is innocent of watching a trailer or two. Either way – here it is:

    The previews gathers, and now my celibacy begins.

    It shall not end until the premiere. I shall watch no trailers, no clips, and no teasers. I shall see no new characters and learn nothing of the new locations.

    I am the averter of eyes. I am the coverer of ears. I am the one who covets no more
    information, the resister of temptation, the one who simply scrolls down.

    I pledge my life and honor to the Brotherhood Without Previews, for this preview, and all the previews to come.

  94. Anthony Licata
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    Yes! He would be great as Moqorro.

  95. Lord Selwyn
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    NOTABOOKREADER:
    the other guy,

    I’ll admit, i was seriously disappointed by the Blackwater episode….my point is, with the budget that HBO supposedly spent on that episode, it could have had some type of large scale battle….and it didn’t. It looked like Stannis vs Tyrion with 100 other guys….i still love GOT, but they robbed the bank with that one.

    Frankly, one slash/bash/chop and burn battle scene is very much like another. Why would GoT waste too much money on yet another generic fight scene which actually doesn’t tell us very much? Apart from noting that in the books, many of the battles ‘are’ off-the-page, the REAL power and emotional impact in any battle is found in the much smaller scenes with individual characters – their own fights and their reactions, whether before, during or after the actual battle. Which is exactly what happened with Blackwater – for all that there was a massive wildfire display (which took a great deal of time and money to stage!) the episode was really about a collection of characters and storylines all meeting and focused around the actual battle. I would much rather see an episode like this than yet another scene of hundreds or thousands of CGI’d people slashing away with swords.

    I have no problem with the time devoted to Jaime and Brienne. Dramatically, it has given some light relief up until this stage and the majority of viewers, whether book or show-only fans, seem to enjoy it. And of course, we don’t know ‘how’ important their story will prove to be in the longer term in TWOW and beyond, but certainly Brienne’s influence on Jaime is pretty important to certain things that happen later in ASOS and through AFFC.

  96. Simon K
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    GoT is for sure the best TV I’ve ever seen. They should be saying skin-changer as well as warg, but even so it is amaze-balls! Love it..

  97. Ser Hound
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Anybody else curious about when Sam will kill the Whitewalker. I feel like they must be saving it for the end of the season as a sort of climax to Sam’s story arc. They already set it up last season with the discovery of the dragon glass. I just wonder, if they are indeed saving it for the end of the season, who will be there to witness and therefore dub him “Sam the Slayer”. I feel like this needs to happen. I know the nickname is mostly a joke, but I loved the use of the nickname in the books. When do you guys think it’ll happen this season?

  98. Ser Hound
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hate that I read this! I’ve read all the books, so I’m fine with spoilers from the books, but I don’t want to know exactly how an episode is going to end before I watch it! I come here to read everyone’s speculation, not to know exactly what happens next. Too bad there’s no a separate spoilers tag… haha. I guess things would get really complicated that way.

  99. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Ser Hound,

    I’m sorry. Didn’t mean to spoil that for you. I never really thought about spoiling anyone who has read the book.

  100. B
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink
  101. B
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Possible SPOILERS…. Any one else here miss two other characters warging? They are not showing this on the HBO series that did so in the books though unbeknownst to themselves. I miss this so much and was hoping to see it. I thought it helped the story line later on. I don’t know how to black out spoilers from a mobile device or anywhere else for that matter.

  102. B
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    B:
    I agree!
    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor,

  103. Mike Chair
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    B: I don’t know how to black out spoilers from a mobile device

    Do it from scratch. Before the spoiler text put

    a less than sign, a “b”, then a greater than sign.

    after the spoiler text put

    a less than sign a “/b”, then a greater than sign.

    It works with capital Bs too, which should be easy for you to remember. :-)

  104. Shan
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny,

    They’re not changing the story. They’re replacing “Kyra with her keys” with… well, never mind who they’re replacing her with. Someone equally as good, and the person who was canonically behind the Kyra attempt as well.

  105. Sara
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get why HBO spends so much money on this show only to have 1 hour episodes. Mad-Men had a 2 hour premier for there first show why can’t Game Of Thrones?
    Also more Tormund please!!!

  106. Ed
    Posted April 13, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Maester Blaster:
    I’m perfectly okay with the lack of battles if it saves money for maintaining the biggest and best cast in the history of TV.Would you rather cut ten or fifteen characters for a few shots of nameless extras hacking at each other with swords?Like OitF said that’s not what this show is about.I also liked HBO’s “Rome” better than “Spartacus”.Give me two characters I care about in a sword fight over a CGI gorefest any day.

    If Spartucus is just a “CGI gorefest” to you, then you obviously didn’t watch much of it. Frankly, Spartacus had a TON of characters I cared for over 4 years. Both good guys and bad guys. They did a fantastic job developing characters and relationships.

    There’s plenty of gore and GCI to boot, and both are done well, imho.

    I see no need at all to compare Spartacus to GoT, they’re both awesome.

  107. Mashiara
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    Ser Hound:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hate that I read this! I’ve read all the books, so I’m fine with spoilers from the books, but I don’t want to know exactly how an episode is going to end before I watch it! I come here to read everyone’s speculation, not to know exactly what happens next. Too bad there’s no a separate spoilers tag… haha. I guess things would get really complicated that way.

    Yeah I thought the same thing too. Maybe I’m just bitter knowing some people have had the pleasure of seeing the first 4 episodes already. But I would watch anyways, even if they gave away every detail of every episode! :)

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Ser Hound,

    I’m sorry. Didn’t mean to spoil that for you. I never really thought about spoiling anyone who has read the book.

    Maybe in the future you could just specify if it’s a “show” spoiler?

  108. sjwenings
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Sara: I don’t get why HBO spends so much money on this show only to have 1 hour episodes. Mad-Men had a 2 hour premier for there first show why can’t Game Of Thrones?

    They spend so much money to allow for the great productionquality the show has. If they were to make longer episodes, they’d either have to spend even more money, or let the quality suffer.

    What makes you think Mad men can be compared to GOT cost-wise?

  109. Hounded
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    Mad Men has 13 episode seasons but the first 2 episodes are shown back to back as a double-bill. If GoT did this then they would still have a 10 episode season but the first 2 episodes would be shown back to back meaning that only 8 then remain. Mad Men costs around 1 million dollars per episode. GoT costs around 10 million dollars per episode.

  110. Darquemode
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hated 300 too!

    So over-the-top it ends p just being silly to me. Much like Spartacus. Unwatchable.

  111. Currer Bell
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Dany buys her army this episode? Are we getting close to face-meltin’ time? Thinking Raiders of the Lost Ark here. So looking forward to that scene.

  112. Endless Giraffe
    Posted April 14, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    episode 4

  1. [...] Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss Director: David Benioff Runtime: 53 min Synopsis:  Tyrion shoulders new responsibilities. Jon is taken to the Fist of the First Men. Daenerys meets with the slavers. Jaime strikes a deal with his captors. Video: Preview [...]


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