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Episode 23 – Walk of Punishment – Recap

Tobias Menzies as Edmure Tully

Now THAT is an episode of Game of Thrones. Read my full thoughts on tonight’s episode after the break!

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read A Storm of Swords. As such the post itself and the comments will contain spoilers. If you haven’t read ASoS yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book reader recap. Thanks!

Here’s a “quick” summary of tonight’s jam-packed episode.

After the credits, we get our first glimpse of Riverrun and the Tully family. Edmure fails to light his father’s funeral pyre and the Blackfish comes to his rescue. We learn that Edmure sought glory over obeying Robb Stark’s orders and as a result they have two Lannister prisoners and not the Mountain’s head on a spike. Later, Catelyn and her uncle talk about the past in another stellar emotional scene from Michelle Fairley.

Far to the north, the wildlings have arrived at the Fist of the First Men only to find the dead crows gone and a horse corpse crop circle remaining. Knowing that Mormont’s forces are weakened, Mance orders Tormund to take a group of wildlings over the Wall to attack Castle Black from the rear.

What is left of the Night’s Watch stumbles into Craster’s Keep, where they find the host even less hospitable than the last time they were there. Sam endures some fat jokes from Craster and then leaves the Keep in time to see Gilly deliver her baby. It is a boy.

In parts unknown, Theon escapes his captors thanks to the help of the mysterious janitor. Before long though, Theon’s captors have tracked him down and are ready to make him their bitch, just then arrows start flying. It’s the mysterious janitor, come to Theon’s rescue. “Come m’lord, you are a long way from home and winter is coming.”

At the Inn at the Crossroads, the Hound is being taken away by the Brotherhood, but not before Arya attempts to jog his memory about Mycah. Arya and Gendry are going with the Brotherhood as well, but Hot Pie is staying at the inn. Goodbyes and wolf-shaped breads are exchanged. Farewell, Hot Pie!

In King’s Landing, the small council adjourns in a new location. Tywin dispatches Littlefinger to the Eyrie to be Lysa’s husband and appoints Tyrion the new Master of Coin. Later, Tyrion picks up the ledgers from Littlefinger’s brothel and gives Pod a gift for saving his life. Tyrion learns that the crown is massively in debt to his father and the Iron Bank of Braavos. He also learns that Podrick is really good at sex.

At Dragonstone, Melisandre sets off on some unknown mission. Stannis wants her to stay, to give him another “son.” But Mel says no, his “fire is growing dim.” And non-book readers learn that there is a limitation to magic in this world.

In Astapor, Daenerys goes to barter with Kraznys for the Unsullied. On the way, she talks with Jorah and Barristan about her brother. Barristan remembers him fondly, while Jorah is less convinced. “Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly. And Rhaegar died.” They arrive to negotiate with Kraznys, Dany wants all 8000 slave warriors plus the boys still in training. Kraznys laughs and wonders how she plans to pay for them all. Dany offers him a dragon.

Somewhere in the riverlands, Brienne and Jaime are captives of Locke and his men. They stop for the night where Locke plans to besmirch Brienne’s honor. Jaime is able to talk him out of it with the promise of sapphires. He continues to talk and manages to get himself unchained from a tree and invited to dinner… or so he thinks. Locke is playing him false, and to add injury to insult, chops off his hand. Roll credits!

What I Liked

Bartering for Unsullied – I loved this scene. Daenerys is fierce! I like it. Also Dan Hildebrand is a great Kraznys. And I forgot to mention this in my premiere recap, but the Ghiscari Valyrian sounds great. David Peterson has done a superb job with both Dothraki and now this. We should get another variation of Valyrian later this season even.
Family, Duty, Honor – Finally, we get introduced to Riverrun and the Tullys. Loved seeing Edmure and the Blackfish for the first time. Poor Edmure. Hope we get to see some of his better qualities soon. Clive Russell as the Blackfish looks to be perfect casting though.
The Bear and the Maiden Fair – After much anticipation, at last we got to hear The Bear and the Maiden Fair… not once but twice! The first time it was sung by Snow Patrol’s Gary Lightbody in a cameo appearance, at least I think it is him singing. You can clearly see him riding the horse behind Locke. The second time was of course the studio version by The Hold Steady. What did everyone think?
Theon’s Escape – What an exciting scene! Iwan Rheon is a badass with a bow. Is it just me or have they really stepped up their game when it comes to the action sequences this season? Also, I am really curious to see where they are going with this…
Jaime Loses a Hand – How great was that scene? Superbly acted, written and directed. The way Jaime smooth talks Brienne out of trouble and then himself out of chains, only to find out that Locke isn’t quite as stupid as Jaime thinks. And then just when you think Jaime is going to get away with a warning… WHACK!

What I Didn’t Like

Podrick the Sex God – My only quibble with this otherwise outstanding episode was Podrick being a sex god. It was a tad unrealistic. Beginner’s luck, I guess? I shouldn’t complain too much as it did give us a Meereenese knot joke! Well played, David and Dan, well played.

Overall, a fantastic episode. The best of this young season, for sure. What did everyone else think? Share your thoughts in the comments below and rate the episode in our poll in the footer!

775 Comments

  • The shortest episode ever!!!! :/

    However, best of the season yet. Starting off with Tyrion sliding his chair to the head of the table to the very handlessness end….

  • rukie44:
    WHAT was up with that song over the ending? Sounded REALLY out of place.

    Thought so too. There should have been intense music after the last shot. A pity. :/

    Also, from your recap: “Tywin dispatches Littlefinger to the Eyrie to be Lysa’s wife” – lol, what?

  • Loved the episode (hated the credits). Best scene? The small council playing musical chairs.

  • I think they just want to familiarize ppl with the song, like they did by shoehorning Rains of Castamere into season 2.

  • 1st impression was overall enjoyment.

    Wish there was less Pod and the whore house and more Dany…

    Also that credit song totally took my out of the GoT time period fantasy element… Felt like some True Blood shit…

  • Good episode. Slower than the first two. Great ending and when Arya looked back at Hot Pie to say the bread was good was a real tearjerker. Another person leaving Arya. And I frickin love the Lord Ramsay stuff. The mindfuck he’s pulling on Theon and the TV audience is going to be epic.

  • I knew about the ending but man, I don’t think I’ve ever screamed at my screen like that before.

  • The Podrick piece was totally paid by Tyrion, to make good Pod feel good. Can’t believe you didn’t catch this.

  • SoS1989:
    Am I the only one who thought the episode was horrible?

    No way!! I thought it was one of the better overall. However, it was far too short.

  • I thought last week was weak, but this was strong. Judging by what they saved for episode 4, it’ll be a home run next week.

  • Tonight was awesome! THe pacing was fantastic, the scenes were top notch, how beautiful was winterfell? I agree, the only scene I had issue was with Podrick the sex God…it seemed unnecessary and a waste of time and sort of against who this guy is.

    But yeah terrific all around. LOVED Blackfish.

    And yeah the credits were weird…that’s sort of something True Blood does.

  • I have never cringed from the TV before, yet when I heard Locke say, “Does this look like a good table?” I pulled my shirt over my nose and chanting “fuck”

  • I feel like it was less “Pod is a sex king” and more “Tyrion quietly slipped Ros a note saying ‘put it on my tab’ when Pod wasn’t looking.”

    I don’t know what it says about Tyrion that he is taking “helping my younger bro lose his virginity” tips from Jaime, but it sure says something.

  • Tonight on Game of Thrones: Westeros is introduced to that most magnificent of beasts, the horse.

  • Great episode – loved Jaime and Brienne, the small council, Cat and the Blackfish, King Robb, etc. Arya saying goodbye to Hot Pie (sniff!!!). Dany taking charge! Loved the scene showing Talisa with the Lannister boys, really deftly done and an improvement on the book, I thought.

    REALLY hated the song at the end. I thought it totally broke the mood to have Jaime lose a hand then this upbeat punk song – I thought they were going to break into “Punk Rock Girl”. Killed the gravity of the moment. Boo. The version of “the Rains of Castamere” used last season was done so much more movingly – this was just…ugh. Didn’t care for it at all.

    Not crazy about Pod and the whorehouse. They also really painted Edmure as a total loser, and the Blackfish as the big heavy, but those are small quibbles. Still miss the Brave Companions, but Locke is a good villain. Very anxious to see more of the Jaime / Brienne storyline, and more of Arya and the Hound. They can never show enough Hound! The pacing on this one was much better than the prior two episodes – if they keep this up, this season will come to a smashing conclusion. I am hoping that episode 9 is primarily focused on one locale…

  • I loved the last half of the episode.

    I wish the Unsullied transaction happened this episode. But I loved the scenes that we did see with Dany.

    I loved the Theon scenes too, along with the whole scene at the end with Jaime and Brienne

  • KingJon: two. Great ending and when Arya looked back at Hot Pie to say the bread was good was a real tearjerker. Another person leaving Arya. And I frickin love the Lord Ramsay stuff. The mindfuck he’s pulling on Theon and the TV audience is going to be epic.

    Slower than the 1st two? How? I thought the pace picked up.

    Awesome episode, the end was just brutal.

  • It was an excellent episode. Really, wow. D&D really did a great job.
    But the credits…yeah, a weird choice for this episode. I bursted into laughter when the credits started. Now THAT was unexpected.

  • why didnt they just let Snow Patrol to do the end song. they wouldve done a better job with it. i like Locke better that Hoat. Damn! the chopping scene was so good.

  • rukie44:
    WHAT was up with that song over the ending? Sounded REALLY out of place.

    It was asinine. Turned one of the most dramatic moments in the book into a joke.

  • SoS1989,

    Nope…I was thoroughly unimpressed as well. And the ‘Bear and Maiden Fair’ song was completely wrong. It is not a song so much as it is a drinken/rowdy chant. Very disappointed by this weeks offering.

  • Maybe I’m alone in this, but that last scene with Hot Pie didn’t feel final. Somehow I wonder if we’ll see him again…if momentarily.

  • Great episode overall. Locke will come to regret what he did, bet against the lion and you’ll get eaten. He’ll lose more than a hand.

    The Podrick scene was a waste of time though but D&D had to get boobs in I suppose, full frontal nudity even. Ending song sucked as well, wasn’t well placed at all, jarred from the shock of the final scene…

  • this episode reminded me of TRUE BLOOD on how it was handled. A lot of comedy with the violence and then a punk rock song at the end after a stunning final scene.

  • I liked the episode, but put it behind #2 in terms of sheer enjoyment. I felt that some scenes were rushed, and I’m not sure if it was the transitions or because some scenes were just too short (perhaps due to at least one going on too long, talking the Pod scene here… I would’ve been happy if they’d stuck to him getting the books out).
    My favorite scene was Dany & Kraznys – I love the leering that Kraznys does, and Missandei’s interpretations, while Dany is so cool. Jamie’s scene at the end was my second favorite, though I’ll agree that the punk version of the song didn’t wow me and took me right out of the world.

  • Clive Russell is PERFECT. Blackfish Blues must be comatose from joy.

    Stannis seemed almost human. Shit.

    Also, the last Pod scene was my favorite, though I agree it was a Tyrion set-up.

  • This episode is my first 5 star of the season. While it felt far too short it still provided all of the emotions to earn it; humor, sadness, anxiety, fear, and HELL YEAH! among other feelings.

  • The episode was okay, but not my favorite… but that’s probably because I felt it was a bit slower. I still enjoyed it though and there were some very good scenes. I am really excited about the next episode.

    As for the ending credits song… yeaaaah. Glad it’s not just me who hated it. I cringed and was like “WTF?” Totally out of place and very jarring. It’s fine for True Blood but Game of Thrones? No, thank you.

  • Am I the only one who liked the use of the song? I think the fact that it was so out of place actually added to the “holy ****” feeling that most people were probably feeling after the hand.

  • The song at the end was phenomenal. I just needed to throw that out there. The anachronistic neo-punk actually made me fist pump. I don’t even really like The Hold Steady but I was just really pumped and the song was there with me.

  • Yes, the credits song was really out of place. This episode was kinda ‘boring’ with the exception of a few scenes. Arya/Hot Pie farewell and the Jaime/Brienne scenes. I read the books and it was confusing to me to understand where Littlefinger was going and for what reason. As much as I loved the chair scene, the time could’ve been better spent explaining what mission Littlefinger was being sent on. I can’t imagine non-readers understood what happened there. I hardly did! Perhaps a second viewing will change my opinion. And the Riverrun stuff was nice but they’re skipping over way too much context. They just introduced them and now what’s his face in costing Rob a chance at ‘the Mountain’ already? TV audience never even knew they existed. This episode made me glad I read the books, but noobs might be saying WTF right about now.

  • At this point, I’d like to go on the record with “I Told You So” about that stupid punk version as soon as it was announced.

    :P When will you folks learn that I’m right more often than not??

  • Man, that was a great episode! D&D Didn’t do a half-bad job in the directors chairs, and all the plotlines touched in the episode were really good. I had a good laugh at the Podrick situation; the Meereenese Knot joke was a great touch!

    My one problem with the episode was the ending. First, I think it might have been better to take the Baelor approach to Jamie’s hand and cut away before just showing the gore, sort of like how the book just ended on how he screamed. Think it would have been more effective. Second, whoever decided to put the (admittedly very good) version of Bear and the Maiden Fair in the credits right after such a shocking and dramatic scene is a moron. Every single person I was watching with burst out laughing as soon as the music started. Aside from that, and I really can’t comment too much on how much the song detracted from the schock seeing as I knew what was coming, I really liked the rest of the scene.

    No Sansa this episode but I guess the great Dany content made up for it!

  • Initially Jamie losing his hand was the most angering part of ASOS to me, it took a while for me to not be pissed at GRRM for doing it but after completing the book it allowed me to see the genius in his writing…. glad to see that it justice even though it was different… I was thrown off a little by the song but playing the scene back it works oddly enough IMO

  • Forgot to mention, I was really impressed with the Harpy of Astapor. I really felt I could’ve been coming across a strange city or ruin in the middle of India or something. That feel of what it must have been like, for example, to see Egyptian structures in the prime of their glory. Props to the set builders & FX teams!

  • I love how the end scene was shot, once the knife came down, it doesn’t even look like it was severed and it takes the audience, and Jaimie, a moment to realize what just happened, and he screams, bloody stump is pulled away… perfect.

  • Trapstar,

    I loved it too. Loved every minute of this episode. Loved that I can still be surprised by a story I’ve known by heart, for over ten years.

  • I feel sorry for anyone who didn’t enjoy the episode, it was a real return to form for me after the first two episodes this season lacked any bite. This had a good pace, extraordinary cinematography, and actors who again established themselves as the best ensemble on television.

    The Pod stuff was too me an overly jokey way of trying to lighten the mood. Also I guess a kind of fantasy for the clearly prized teen boy market, the virgin who is so good that the world’s greatest whores give him a freebie or eight.

    The show keeps you coming back, but it’s also true that the progress per character and setting demands a lot of patience. I’m still waiting for the show to cast its spell on me again.

    Also Winter I’m surprised you didn’t remark on the much more emotionally rich Stannis Baratheon it seems we are going to get from Stephen Dillane than the book Stannis. This one has some passion in him.

    ETA: I agree with everyone else saying the credits song was too jarring. They should have given everyone a few more seconds of “did I really just see that” and maybe darkness and silence for a while before shoe-horning that song in.

  • Great episode, too many favorite moments to list!

    D&D did a great job directing. And let’s give a hand to Nickolaj on some great acting tonight!

    And sheesh people, it’s not like the rock song was playing throughout the episode. I didn’t mind it, most people were too busy being shocked by the last scene. I thought the version we heard by Locke’s party was lots of fun and pretty much how I imagined it to be.

  • overall strong episode. i am not too bothered by the pod scene. put it together with the scene with shae last week and they are definitely trying to portray tyrion as an everyman, in contrast with the rest of his family. wonder why. i am pretty sure there are no “wasted” inutes on this show. i think everything is done for a reason. i also notice that people need to be more patient. complained last week that there was no explanation why jaimee lost so easily to brienne, well you got it this week. complained after the first episode that it wasn’t made obvious how badly the nightwatch was massacred, again, you got it this week.

  • David The Great,

    Whoops – I have to retype my Name in the settings every so often when I post here, and was trying to think of what I was going to say when I typed it in this time – meant David the Grey, not David the Great. Same David, having much more of a Grey (haired) moment than a Great moment. Sheesh.

  • Not bad at all. I’m really curious as to where the Theon story is going. And for last week, I’m pretty disappointed in the way spoiled the Petyr-Sansa story. One of the biggest surprises from Storm of Swords if you ask me.

  • The only thing I want to know is why D&D omitted the kiss. I’ve been waiting for it for two years. What’s wrong with you d&d?

  • Did Ramsay just kill his own men just for the sake of having fun with Theon? Or were the men who held him other northmen instead of Boltons? I’m very confused by this turn of events and interested to see where they’re going with it.

    I thought the reveal would be coming this episode; Theon would be freed and then he would find the ‘boy’ who rescued him to be leading the men who are chasing him down, though in retrospect I suppose Theon wouldn’t have much to do this season if that were the case. I wonder how long they’ll prolong poor Theon’s hope?

    And I can’t agree enough with the people who loathed the end credit music. Talk about jarring you out of the moment. Extremely misguided.

  • One more thing, I don’t remember this in the book, but it really seems that they are giving all of Petyr’s moves to the Lannister’s pulling his strings. From gallivanting all around last season, on Tyrion’s orders, to now pursuing Lysa Arryn directly on Tywin’s say so. I always thought of Lysa as Petyr’s ace up the sleeve, and I’m sure she’ll turn out to be, but how is it that the Lannister’s are disposed to sending him?

  • I almost never comment here, but I had to after reading all the hate for the song.

    The entire show was full of black comedy, ending with the cutting of the hand, it makes perfect sense to then instead of playing a mournful tune, to put a fast punk song to slap you in the face with.

    Come on people, the placement was perfect, so much better than if we had a slow piece of excellent music.

    Well done D&D

    Loved the episode

  • Skipjack,

    Poor Littlefinger. By the time the show is done with him, I’m afraid non-book readers will be completely clueless as to why the book readers see him as such a magnificent bastard.

  • Told my b/f that I read where things start to get really good in Episode 4 …….. as we sat here with our jaws on the floor! This episode was fantastic! Blackfish was perfect – as were Edmure and Kraznys and Locke and Ramsay – and House Littlefinger gets more beautiful by the minute! Only bad – the song at the end – they should have used the version that’s been on youtube forever.

  • Best episode so far this season. Jaime and Brienne are stealing the show. The Theon stuff is good, lends credibility to his craziness etc. Loved it all except the ending song but since everyone is talking about it, guess it worked.

  • The Good
    -JAIME JAIME JAIME JAIME JAIME. Oh my god, I just love how his storyline is playing out on screen. I loved his warning to Brienne, his banter with Locke, and of course, the tragic demise of his greatest asset. Those last few minutes had my heart racing. Also, I really liked The Bear and the Maiden Fair, but I can understand people’s problem with it.
    -Speaking of heart-racing moments, THEON. Oh my god, that chase scene was so intense and well-made. Seriously, it might have had me as nervous and hyped as Blackwater did, no joke. And I seriously thought they were going to show him getting raped, which… yeah, I’m glad “Boy” showed up and took care of that. Speaking of which, “Boy” was SO AMAZING in this episode. Iwan Rheon is awesome. I can’t wait until they finally reveal who he is (although the “you little bastard” line had me FREAKING OUT) and I’m excited to see where this story goes, because it’s not playing out how I thought it would. And I like it.
    -The Tullys!!!!!!!!! I think I might actually like them more than in the books? I don’t know, it’s been a while since I read them. Still, Clive Russell and Tobias Menzies OWN these characters. I can’t wait to see more of them.
    -Speaking of the Tullys, Richard Madden was great in his scene with Edmure, and Michelle Fairley was great in her scene with the Blackfish.
    -I loved Dany this episode, especially considering where her storyline is heading next episode. Missandei is great so far, Kraznys is just as revolting as in the novel, and I like how the show is slowly establishing Jorah’s and Barristan’s rivalry.
    -Musical chairs: King’s Landing addition. Oh my god, I love Tyrion.
    -I thought Pod the sex God was a funny scene, personally. But I do agree with a previous commenter that it was probably Tyrion telling the prostitutes to put it on his tab.
    -Hot Pie’s departure was a sweet little scene. The Direwolf bread was hilarious.
    -Anguy messing with the Hound was also hilarious.
    -Varys is back! Huzzah!
    -‘Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly, Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaegar died’.

    The Not As Good
    -MOAR JON SNOW. Seriously, his arc is one of the best in Book 3! I hope there’s more of him in episodes to come.

    Overall, easily the best episode of the season so far, and one of the best of the series. WOO.

  • Did Ramsay just kill his own men just for the sake of having fun with Theon?

    Wouldn’t be out-of-character for him to put his own fun over the lives of his servants.

    I found the music a little jarring during the credits but I also don’t really think it’s that big a deal.

    Favorite scene was probably Cat and Blackfish.

  • Can’t help but shake my head at people saying they didn’t like the episode because of the music played after the episode was over…

  • is it just me or are people giving up way too much spoilery information abou the theon story line? most nonbookreaders have no idea who ramsey is so why would you talk so much about what you expect to happen without tagging it?

  • That song at the end…… whoever dreamed that shit up should get their fingers broken. and the band should be burned at the stake! talk about WORST DECISION EVER.

  • Great episode. Personally, I thought the music at the end was quite fitting. Sure, it didn’t fit within the traditional bounds of what one would deem “fantasy” music but that’s just fine. Game of Thrones is about pushing the limits and melding the fantasy genre with elements of drama, etc. I see a lot of you griping about how the music doesn’t fit, but Game of Thrones is dark, sexy, violent and fun. I think the punk rock ending fit, it’s just different which is everyone’s immediate reaction is to pull back. It certainly didn’t ruin the moment, anyone who says it did is just being melodramatic. Also, we’re not supposed to feel overbearing emotion this early on in this season, the significance of this episode after the previous two episodes introducing new characters is to signal to the viewer that “this is game of thrones and shit goes down”. That’s what that song achieves, it taps the viewer on the shoulder and says welcome back. I suspect we’ll hear the somber traditional version of “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” later in the season.

  • Good episode but the choice for credits music was really odd. Punk rock doesn’t quite work here.

  • The way I see it, the Podrick The Wonderstud thing and the end credits thing was a bit of swagger. It was such a great episode, why not, as we say in the West, spike the ball in the end zone? They knew where they wanted to end it and probably had some extra space so why not throw in a bit of humor? I liked it. Had a good unexpected laugh. The song at the end credits? Eh, whatever.

    Blackfish and Dany had my fist pumping.

    Small Council scene had me grinning ear to ear.

    Would have liked more Hound, but there wasn’t enough time.

    My advice to Stannis: ask Pod his secret.

    Glad the whole HAND thing is over as I was running out of puns.

  • Anguissette1979,

    Agreed. They couldn’t have found a song less fitting to the tone of the show. Aside from that and the length of the Pod gets laid scene, perfect episode.

  • Loved the episode. Excellent on all accounts.

    Now, for that outro song… misstep. Total misstep. It didn’t ruin the final scene for me, but I actually think playing the non punk version of that song would have been a much better choice.

  • Come on, people. Relax a bit.
    I understand why the song was like a slap in the face for some (kind of killed the moment), but you got to admit it was rather surprising. I’m really loving it.

  • I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the funeral and the ending, though they should have held off the maiden fair for a more appropriate episode…

    Am I the only one who thought Pod just ran with the gold as soon as the other two were gone and lied about the whores giving the money back?

  • johnnytata,

    You forgot to mention the TREES in the scenes beyond the wall lol. I swear people will complain about anything. I am waiting for someone to say something about Jamie not losing his hair!

  • Valdred Dethstorm:
    Come on, people. Relax a bit.
    I understand why the song was like a slap in the face for some (kind of killed the moment), but you got to admit it was rather surprising. I’m really loving it.

    Perhaps you should relax telling people to relax. :)

  • Ryan E:
    Can’t help but shake my head at people saying they didn’t like the episode because of the music played after the episode was over…

    The credits are ALWAYS part of a movie or tv show episode. It’s no coincidence the credits music so often fits the last scene or (in a movie) reuses the main themes of the hours before.

  • JoffreyTrueKing:
    The Podrick piece was totally paid by Tyrion, to make good Pod feel good. Can’t believe you didn’t catch this.

    Actually, I was guessing at Pod was too chivalrous/shy to do anything at all with the prostitutes, and he took Tyrion’s money back to him and lied about what happened. I do like your theory, though. It certainly sounds like something Tyrion would do.

  • Plasticbeech:
    Great episode. Personally, I thought the music at the end was quite fitting. Sure, it didn’t fit within the traditional bounds of what one would deem “fantasy” music but that’s just fine. Game of Thrones is about pushing the limits and melding the fantasy genre with elements of drama, etc. I see a lot of you griping about how the music doesn’t fit, but Game of Thrones is dark, sexy, violent and fun. I think the punk rock ending fit, it’s just different which is everyone’s immediate reaction is to pull back. It certainly didn’t ruin the moment, anyone who says it did is just being melodramatic.Also, we’re not supposed to feel overbearing emotion this early on in this season, the significance of this episode after the previous two episodes introducing new characters is to signal to the viewer that “this is game of thrones and shit goes down”. That’s what that song achieves, it taps the viewer on the shoulder and says welcome back. I suspect we’ll hear the somber traditional version of “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” later in the season.

    If you justify the final song based on the reaction it is intended to elicit in the viewer but it becomes apparent that it largely did not elicit this reaction but rather a very different one then this becomes in itself a good argument why it was a poor choice. Suffice it to say that the early comments tend toward this conclusion.

  • I loved the episode. I think people should not care so much about what someone else thinks or says. Their are a lot of killjoys in all walks of life who are simply miserable and look to take whatever little joy a person has in this rough life.

  • What an epic scene the last one! Last time I felt so excited about a scene was when Michonne stuck the sword on the head of Governator’s daugher on TWD.

    I tought the song was very True Bloodish as well like a lot of people, but I liked it. The song doesn’t match with GoT but I reckon it matched with the strong last scene.

  • D&D are better directors than i expected. Really good episode. Loved the small council chair symphony (someone should do an extended version of it), song in the credits was awesome to say the least. Also a good Riverrun figure on the map.

  • I figured book readers would have a better grasp of subtlety.

    It was very obvious to me that Tyrion paid Ros beforehand to set this entire thing up for Pod in order to build up the lack of confidence that Pod has. It also contrasts with how Tyrion himself was treated when he was a kid.

  • Wow just checked Westeros.org..what a bunch of idiotic self important crybabies on there…especially bitching about the end credit song. Thought this episode was masterfully put together. Much better flow than episode one and two.

  • I can’t seem to remember. Did the White Walkers make corpse “crop circles” in the books? This seems to be a repeating theme in the show.

  • I don’t think it was as much Pod’s prowess as it was his, uh, endowment. Either way it was hilarious.

  • Ok, that song at the end credits was WACK! It was such an intense moment and the music took you out of it before you could digest what just happened.

    Other than that, GREAT episode. Some of my fav. Moments:

    The small council chair bit.

    The black fish with the bow and then later with Cat. She by the way, was so raw in that moment.

    Dany telling Ser B. that her Bro was NOT the last dragon.

    The wolf bread. I hope Nymeria comes back… Please…

    I like the Hoat replacement and of course Jamie’s hand being cut off.

    I sort of liked Robb telling his uncle a thing or two as well and Talisa backing up the wolf/warg rumors.

    Cannot wait for next week!

  • Loved it. The Pod thing was funny but took too long – that’s my only real criticism of the episode. The chase scene Theon was involved in had me at the edge of my seat – fantastic staging, directing and camera work there!

    Some absolutely stand-out acting this week, especially from Michelle Fairley, Emilia Clarke and Nicolaj Coster-Waldau.

    The final scene was staged very well – I loved watching Jaime’s face as he comprehended what had just happened to him. And, contrary to what most seem to be saying so far, I LOVED the end credits song. For me, the fact that it was so jarring is what made it work so well. The ironic notes it hits just added that extra bit of WHUMP to the end of the episode.

    Great first directorial outing for David and Dan. And next week promises to be even better!

  • MRR: Wouldn’t be out-of-character for him to put his own fun over the lives of his servants.

    Definitely not, but killing your own men whenever you enjoy your ‘sport’ seems…unsustainable? Not sure if that’s the word, but it certainly isn’t very productive to morale or maintaining an effective army.

    If it turns out it was his men (or, rather, his father’s men) I hope this is one of those things Roose rubs in his bastard son’s face to remind him of the difference between ‘petty cruelty’ and ‘abject studidity’ later on.

  • I disagree with the song complaints. It fit perfectly, imo. It was a totally unexpected, bizarre, freakish event that came out of nowhere, and the song mirrored it perfectly. It wasn’t meant to be a sad or sombre thing, it was meant to be a wtf thing.

  • I think the punk version of the song at the end actually fits the scene. At first, I was like WTF, but then I thought about it as it played.

    Locke cutting off Jaime’s hand was a fuck you to nobleman privilege, just like punk rock music.

  • i was also a bit jarred at the ending, but i am more in the camp that i like it when they throw me a curve ball. way too formulaic to play some somber depressing music at the end. we just got our worlds rocked, hearts racing, something fast pace keeps us racing. again, every choice is made for a reason, it’s not like they just arbitrarily decided this, or flipped a coin, or just said ah what the fork, who cares. and i agree with the sentiment, this is supposed to fun.

    well i just had fun for an hour.

  • I also thought the end credits were True Bloodish. Very pleased to see I wasn’t the only one.
    The Riverrun stuff was great. My favorite was the Tully armor. It was so cool that it looks like fish scales. I sort of felt bad for Edmure though.
    I actually thought Theon was going to get raped. Good job scaring even a book reader.
    The Jaime scene was so suspenseful knowing what was going to happen. I’ll be curious to see if it came as a shock to the newbies.
    Words can not express how excited I am for dracarys. That was one of my favorite chapters.
    Stannis should look more haggard and Craster should look more gross. Other than those nitpicks, great episode!

  • Ryan E,

    I did say that I loved the episode, however, the music over the credits really put a damper on my level of SQUEE. I had no problem with The National version of the Rains of Castamere but this was just horrendous. As other people have been saying, it felt very “True Blood”

  • Genevosey:
    Who cares about te credits lol. Episode was really good. Next week will be even better.

    The problem is that the song begins immediately after a rather shocking moment. Anyone non-book reader’s would have gasped at that point. The impact of that moment is then immediately squandered by music that is so unexpected as to be comical. I don’t think the viewer is inclined to think a chopped-off hand is funny.

  • The good- Jaime losing his hand. Riverrun and Blackfish especially. Theon getting his ass saved for now. Mance telling Tormund to climb the wall and Tyrion pulling up a chair (the only one not appearing to openly kiss Tywin’s golden ass.
    The bad- the length of the Podrick scene.
    The ugly- the punk rock ending song. Usually my complaints are nitpicking, not this time. What’s next, Blink 182? Maybe they ‘push the envelope’ with some Lil’ Wayne after next Sunday’s episode. Scratching my head at two seemingly smart guys’ choice on this one.

  • I suddenly don’t miss Vargo Hoat one bit. I’m not one to complain about small things from the book being left out, but if I don’t hear Tormund’s bear rape story soon I’m going to turn bitter.

  • This episode has some great Martinesque moments — the man knows how to make his characters suffer — and hands off to Weiss and Benioff for pulling off the last scene so deftly. They really know how to fray our nerves and cut to the bone. Hehe. I also really enjoyed the ever increasing scope (and budget) of the location shots. The views of Riverrun and of Astapor were fantastic, plus lots of good character development — not to mention some GOT classic gratuitous nudity. In any case, you can find my more detailed thoughts on this episode on my blog as usual.

  • From EW:

    “It’s such a shocking ending and when we read the scene in the books it was so shocking to us,” Weiss says. “To really hammer home the shock of that moment you need something unexpected. There’s no version of a traditional score that would keep you as off balance as we wanted that scene to leaving you feeling.”
    “I can’t imagine having that conversation with Ramin [Djawadi] our composer — ‘Now we need the Jaime-gets-his-hand-chopped-off music,’” Benioff adds. “What we always loved in An American Werewolf in London, we see our hero shot and killed and then his lover runs to embrace his dead body — it’s a sad ending — but then we cut to black and it’s [the bouncy 1961 Marcell’s hit] ‘Blue Moon.’ And that jarring juxtaposition was fantastic.”

  • Michael:
    I disagree with the song complaints. It fit perfectly, imo. It was a totally unexpected, bizarre, freakish event that came out of nowhere, and the song mirrored it perfectly. It wasn’t meant to be a sad or sombre thing, it was meant to be a wtf thing.

    The Mickey Mouse theme would also have been unexpected. I guess they missed an opportunity there! An unexpected dismemberment followed by a VERY out of nohwere M-I-C-K-E-Y would have been perfection!

    Not.

  • Steve: Locke cutting off Jaime’s hand was a fuck you to nobleman privilege, just like punk rock music.

    Ha Ha! I’ll bet that Steve has something pierced besides his ears.

  • Terrific episode! Great intro to Riverrun, good stuff with Danny, and perfectly executed ending. My non-book reading wife had a nice Holy Shit! moment Lol.

    For the person who was confused about the Littlefinger bit, just rewach it and make sure you listen to what Tywin first tells him. ( I initially didn’t hear it and got confused too)

    (Side note: Who actually complains about credit music? LoL)

  • Steve:
    I think the punk version of the song at the end actually fits the scene.At first, I was like WTF, but then I thought about it as it played.

    Locke cutting off Jaime’s hand was a fuck you to nobleman privilege, just like punk rock music.

    great analysis.

  • Like most I really didn’t like the music over the credits. It took away from the shocking nature of the final scene. Could also have done without the long Pod scene. The time could have been better spent on material that added something to the story other than more boobs. Nudity just for the sake of nudity is plain boring. That said the rest of the episode was great. Really like the dynamic between Dany and Missendei. I wonder if she really will have no living relatives in the show unlike in the book where her brother is an Unsullied.

    Also, can anyone make out what Oona Chaplin’s (Talisa’s) sigil is during the opening credits. I find it kind of interesting that it isn’t a direwolf.

  • The scene in the brothel reminded me of a game show, with a special prize behind door #1, door #2, and door#3! It seemed like a boy’s fantasy, as referenced in that SNL skit.

    Otherwise, best episode yet! I was on the edge of my seat. Wondered about how Theon was getting played. Liked Dany’s dragon deal. Sorry to see Arya lose more family. Jaime’s behavior toward Brienne was heroic, but Locke didn’t like his attitude! Great sleight of hand…

    What was with the music? It took us out of Westeros.

  • When watching Game of Thrones I feel the escapism of fantasy. I get completely caught up in the show’s web and almost forget that I am living in our world in 2012 and not Westeros in a medieval setting. The song reminded me that it is 2012 and that it is a television show. It very quickly snapped me back into reality and somewhat spoiled the scene. The House of the Undying scene was butchered horribly for book readers last season and the Bear and the Maiden Fair song for the end credits of this episode was just a slap in the face to smart fans, book readers and newbies alike.

  • TastesLikeTheSea:
    From EW:

    The problem with this is that that film has already established a tongue-in-cheek approach to werewolves and gore and maintained it throughout. Remember the theatre scene? GoT has NEVER had the tone of American Werewolf in London. Attempting it midway through is a mistake.

  • And the Jaime Lannister hand jokes begin in 3..2.. what? Oh, they’ve already started!
    Hey! No more off-hand comments about Jaime! ;-)

    For Winterfell!

  • EricOF,

    M I C … See you later, hand! K E Y … Why? Because we hate smug noblemen!
    M O U S EEEEE

    BRILLIANT! We need to work on the show, clearly.

  • Haymaker:
    Terrific episode!Great intro to Riverrun, good stuff with Danny, and perfectly executed ending. My non-book reading wife had a nice Holy Shit! moment Lol.

    For the person who was confused about the Littlefinger bit, just rewach it and make sure you listen to what Tywin first tells him. ( I initially didn’t hear it and got confused too)

    (Side note: Who actually complains about credit music? LoL)

    re: last scene, i think the holy shit factor overwhelms anything else that cones after, and in the end, all the drama here is much ado about nothing.

    re: littlefinger, will have to watch again closer.

  • I wonder if anyone picked up on the fact a masked rider knocked Theon off his horse in the opposite direction of the rest, but none of the men who approached him were masked. And then the ‘boy’ shows up. Hmmm.

  • EricOF: The Mickey Mouse theme would also have been unexpected. I guess they missed an opportunity there! An unexpected dismemberment followed by a VERY out of nohwere M-I-C-K-E-Y would have been perfection!

    Not.

    Full Metal Jacket man. The Mickey song actually makes sense in that movie, since the movie was always juxtaposing violence with comedy, even a character named Joker. Private Pyle couldn’t even stop smiling in one scene, which earned him a throttling from the drill sgt. Sometimes, war is funny.

  • johnnytata,

    That song might work for True Blood or a number of other tv shows. It is horribly out of place on Game of Thrones. Just confused as to why smart people would choose that mess to cap off a nearly flawless episode.

  • kelly: Nudity just for the sake of nudity is plain boring.

    Bite your tongue! That’s heresy to D&D. As was divulged last year, the “perv audience” must be served in every episode, no matter how unwieldy or far-fetched the rationale (except in those episodes written by V. Taylor, apparently).

  • Seriously, terrible end credits music. Didn’t read the westeros.org review, but if they’re b****ing about that, then I totally agree. Ruined the final moment. Though I was pretty excited when they sang it in the show.

    Also, I know “talk-y” scenes in show are “boring” but the small council meeting in the book is filled with very important stuff for later on, wish that hadn’t been cut so short. I wonder when Tywin is going to tell Tyrion he’s marrying Sansa.

    Also, did they actually say Edmure’s name. I feel like non book readers have no idea who he is.

    Next week looks EPIC!

  • KingJon:

    Not to mention, that suggests that they knew exactly where he was headed. I think he was going East since the “Reek” told him that’s where Yara was. East would probably be the last place they would search for Theon as well, yet they knew he was there, which obviously suggests that he was “reeked” indeed.

  • I had to *pause* to laugh out the Meereenese knot… That’s breaking the fourth wall!

    Also laughed at Varys’ raised eyebrow, then tongue-in-cheek at Littlefinger’s special relationship with Lysa…

    Oh, and nice introduction to the Iron Bank’s power..

  • Josh:
    Oh boy…we’ve got credit-gate now…It really isn’t that big of a deal. It was just credits.

    People just need to whine about something every week. Else, they’d go crazy.

  • – 25 love the punk crap + 25 dont. its an age thing they are playing: marketing. I think its sad: thats why we wont see this whole series on screen: D&D were happy and thankful to make it to this season: after season 4, they will be done, 5 maybe, but I dont see this being finished: Miopic brains, sorry.

  • I really enjoyed the placement of the song in the credits. While it was not necessarily appropriate given what had just taken place on the show, I felt it created an interesting dissonance, if not one traditionally seen in film/tv. I definitely understand how it might be viewed as jarring or inappropriate though.

  • THE CREDITS:

    I hated it, but…
    Maybe it was a good decision.
    This show is a total downer and ends on so many final scenes that are just death/pain punch you in the gut moments (biggest one ever coming later this season) that throwing a punk rock upper right after one, ONE time may be alright. Too much of the depressing end notes can turn non-masochistic watchers off.

    I dunno. I’m trying to see the reasoning.

  • EricOF,

    I justified the use of the song, I did not assert that it was the wisest choice. However, I do appreciate what D & D were trying to do and I understand why they took the risk even if the initial reaction is negative.

  • Speaking of EW, I just read this quote in their recap:

    “In fact, episode 4 has arguably the best scene this show has ever staged. I’ve literally watched this one sequence six times.”

    I’m bursting with anticipation already!

  • JoffreyTrueKing,

    That would be pretty funny if the case. I didn’t catch it though – it seems like the full purse was returned? I think the scene was a little silly, but definitely funnier if even the after-conversation was just a setup to make pod feel good.

  • EricOF: The Mickey Mouse theme would also have been unexpected. I guess they missed an opportunity there! An unexpected dismemberment followed by a VERY out of nohwere M-I-C-K-E-Y would have been perfection!

    Not.

    Well now you’re just being silly. ~_^

    I know the complaint is that it’s a modern song, so that it pulled the audience out of the moment and it was inappropriate. But it’s still in there for a reason. As someone else said:

    “I think the punk version of the song at the end actually fits the scene.At first, I was like WTF, but then I thought about it as it played.

    Locke cutting off Jaime’s hand was a fuck you to nobleman privilege, just like punk rock music”

    So no, don’t throw up the strawman argument of “well then why don’t we just use any stupid song?” They used the song they used for a reason.

    Also, Full Metal Jacket. =P

  • kingthlayer:
    The song at the end was phenomenal. I just needed to throw that out there. The anachronistic neo-punk actually made me fist pump. I don’t even really like The Hold Steady but I was just really pumped and the song was there with me.

    Agreed.

  • Brendan:
    the Bear and the Maiden Fair song for the end credits of this episode was just a slap in the face to smart fans, book readers and newbies alike.

    really, a slap in the face? is that figurative or literal?

    Steve: Full Metal Jacket man.The Mickey song actually makes sense in that movie, since the movie was always juxtaposing violence with comedy, even a character named Joker.Private Pyle couldn’t even stop smiling in one scene, which earned him a throttling from the drill sgt.Sometimes, war is funny.

    a rational, well thought out opinion.

  • James Brookes: atch the masked guy will be wearing the same clothes as “boy” was…

    Not all are so enlightened as you

    James Brookes:
    Episode rocked.Song at the end was AWESOME.Sorry for all of you … folks … who just don’t get it.

    James Brookes:
    Episode rocked.Song at the end was AWESOME.Sorry for all of you … folks … who just don’t get it.

    “Get it?” really?

  • Surprised no one has mentioned this, unless I missed it. When the “janitor” who rescues Theon is about to loose his final arrow into the random soldier, the soldier says, “You little bastard…”

    Nice!!

  • It just shows you how good an episode is when all the whingers can cry about is the song during the credits.

    Pull your heads out of your bums, people. You don’t deserve to be this lucky.

  • coronaking,

    Shit, I always make that mistake for at least the first 9 months of each year. I also get my age wrong for a few months if people ask me. Oops. See, D&D made a mistake with the song and I made one with what yr it is.

  • There are plenty of hints for non-book readers to figure out who has Theon:

    – The above quote
    – Each episode this season has prominently displayed the Bolton banner. Look at the shape of the wooden X Theon is strapped to.
    – Various comments from characters about House Bolton’s proclivity for flaying/torture (including from Roose himself)

  • johnnytata,

    Both. Figuratively, it was actually worse and literally I slapped myself when that song ruined the scene. When I watch it again I can at least turn it off before I hear that garbage.

  • …*sigh* so much goodness in this episode! I don’t give a shit about the end credit song. It was fun, and on the DVD it will be more fun.
    I remember reading ASOS and getting to the “Sapphire” conversation and thinking:”What? You mean underneath it all Jaime Lannister has a soul?” So began one of the most interesting character journeys I have ever read.
    I also remember almost falling asleep and getting a little depressed about Dany selling one of her dragons… but since that POV I have been a fan of ASOIAF and likely always will be. Good job, DnD! Now, let’s all get HotPie to make us some Direwolf bread! :-)

    For Winterfell!

  • I can’t believe I forgot to mention Hot Pie and the wolf bread. Did anyone else get weepy? So cute.
    Also, the scenery is more beautiful than ever. It never occurred to me to want to visit Northern Ireland. Until now.

  • Not my favorite episode, but this was a get episode!
    It really kicked the season into high gear after a couple of table setting episodes…

    Loved the two inside jokes for book fans: Meereenese Knot” comment and “You little Bastard”, being the torturer’s last words.

    Loved Tyrion paying Pod back! Brilliant scene!

    I felt this Talisa scene was unneeded honesty (aren’t they all), but outside of that every scene was quite well done or quite fun tonight!

    A bit tired of Catelyn and the melodrama, but damn Michelle Fairley can act! I wish they would give her more than woe is me, woe is my family.

    Here are this week’s episode extras from HBO GO
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-episode-303-walk-of_15.html

  • VILLAIN:
    It just shows you how good an episode is when all the whingers can cry about is the song during the credits.

    Pull your heads out of your bums, people. You don’t deserve to be this lucky.

    Yes criticism is not allowed. Anyone who complains is just a whiner who doesn’t appreciate the fact that there is a show at all… lets just close these discussions because there should be nothing but never ending endless praise.

  • VILLAIN,

    Nearly everyone who’s complained about the song has also said they felt it was a great episode. Uggh, how unreasonable we’re being. Is there no end to our awfulness?

  • I’m thinking the reason for the Pod scene (though it was a little long) was to give him a little more familiarity with the viewers than just “that quiet kid who pours wine for Tyrion.” Granted, he did save his life, but I haven’t felt like he’s been a character to pay attention to up until this point. When Pod goes off with Brienne, non-readers will remember and understand his fierce loyalty to Tyrion, who was always kind to him despite not being the ideal guy to squire for.

    Also, I’m kind of hoping that Ramsay plays the catch-and-release game with Theon all season long… how shocking will it be if this guy who seems to always be saving Theon and looking out for him ends up to have planned every hunt all along?

    Oh, and was it just me, or were Dany mentioning the slave saying “let me die” as well as translating “valar morghulis” little nods that Dany understands Valyrian?

  • Was I the only one who found the last bit with Jaime a little campy? The song at the end, the screaming, and Locke’s laughing led to it feeling more like an awkward slasher film than Game of Thrones. I liked the rendition of The Bear and the Maiden Fair though.

    Emilia Clarke’s acting has very much improved this season. Her scene with Missandei was badass.

    Have to confess, I didn’t understand the thing with Pod. If it was meant to be a joke, it was a little drawn out.

  • I do appreciate the comic relief with Pod but the scene was just too long. That show gets so tense that a little comic relief is in order from time to time. That is what makes Tyrion my favorite. He can be serious and hilarious in the same breath. Man, I am trying to accept that end credit rendition of The Bear and the Maiden Fair and I just don’t think I can do it. Why D&D? Why? Why can’t it just be next Sunday already? Wahhhhh, Mondays really suck now.

  • I totally enjoyed this episode.
    I liked the Pod in the brothel scene (and follow-up).

    Also, really limed the closing credits song. I thought it was perfectly appropriate. It was a total WTF moment, and hitting everyone with a WTF was great. (But then, I seem to be the rare person here who likes True Blood and really likes the songs chosen for True Blood’s closing credits.)

  • I took the whole Podrick thing as an extra “thank you” by Tyrion, who had probably already paid them / told them to return the gold to Podrick so that they could later congratulate him on being awesome in the sack in spite of it being his first time. Awww.

  • Great episode..especially for book readers. Good acting and we finally see how Robb can be a ****-head badass just like in the books

  • the scene where hot pie is standing by himself in front if the inn was wierdly heartbreaking.

    i have a sinking feeling hot pie will die. people in inns in westeros have a bad habit of getting killed.

  • If only there were corn fields beyond the Wall, the White Walkers wouldn’t have to slaughter horses to get the attention of the Gods (Ancient Aliens).

  • Darquemode,

    Cone of you lot fix my typos? XD
    The comment editor is not working me. Grrrrrr…. Odd.

    Obviously “Meereense Knot” and the comment should have started with “Not my favorite episode, but this was a great episode”

  • Actually, I enjoyed the Pod scene…primarily BECAUSE of the scene after it with him being a “stud”.

    To me, it seems absolutely obvious that this is a situation where Tyrion set the situation up. He likely paid Ros prior to ever getting to that room, and the gold was there just as a ruse. The reason I like it is because it shows that Tyrion is honestly thankful for Pod.

    Buying him a whore, even multiple whores, is amazingly base. Does Tyrion enjoy a good whore? Absolutely. But that’s still a rather poor form of thanks for something as major as saving a life. Especially for someone who Tyrion actually likes…

    But giving young Pod his first time as something that’s memorable AND working it in such a way that Pod feels like it wasn’t bought, but ended up happening the way it did because of himself? That gives him confidence, it gives him a better feeling about it, and it means a heck of a lot more than buying a few whores…

    Which is why it’d make sense to me that Tyrion would go about it in that fashion. And I felt the second scene was absolutely necessary to make the first scene actually meaningful.

  • I didn’t mind the song, in fact I barely heard it since I was still in shock over the last scene. I felt so bad for Jaime while Locke was telling him daddy won’t help him now… Jaime was a spoiled brat and even war was a game to him, since he could still manipulate others as he did with Cat. And now for the first time it didn’t go his way – what a rude awakening with consequences that can’t be fixed. Great acting! Onscreen this scene was really impactful.

    Now, did anyone else enjoy Tormund-Mance intraction as much as I did? I love these two. Adds weight to the otherwise weaker storyline in the north. But who am I kidding? ALL storylines have been SUPERB this season. Very well done!

  • Calling “boy” “youlittle bastard” usually gets you worse than an arrow through the head…dude got off easy

  • Deborah,

    If you knew me you’d pat me on the back for almost getting the year right. Haha whoops. What an episode. Riverrun and Lord Hoster Tully’s funeral almost exactly match the image I had in my head from ASOS.

  • I am finding it ever more difficult to find nits to pick with the show. I wasn’t really keen on the credits song, but since I’ve already heard an iconic interpretation on YouTube I don’t feel cheated in the slightest.

    Everything else was marvelous. I loved that I finally got a brothel scene with copious nudity that didn’t feel a terrible waste of time. Keep the brothel if the writing of these scenes has improved to this degree.

    Dany’s arc is the highlight of the season so far, but Theon’s arc is a refreshing surprise after FaB’s rankings. I couldn’t have expected better. I’d probably be underwhelmed with Stannis’ material so far were I not a reader, armed with the knowledge that we’re getting MORE from him than we would in a direct adaptation.

    Not going to be critical today. 95/100

    Also, kudos to Mr Benioff for a successful directorial debut. I was pretty nervous, if I’m honest. Shows what I know.

  • The only thing that actually bugs me about this episode is that Willem and Martyn Lannister aren’t distant Lannister cousins. They’re Kevan’s sons — Lancel’s little brothers.

    What winds up happening to them — well, to Willem, and to Genna’s son Tion — has a big effect on both Kevan and Lancel that lasts for several books to come. And yes, I know they could have Kevan drop out of politics and Lancel go on a religious kick *without* losing any family members, but it seemed like a strange thing to change for, really, no reason at all.

  • Shan:
    The only thing that actually bugs me about this episode is that Willem and Martyn Lannister aren’t distant Lannister cousins. They’re Kevan’s sons — Lancel’s little brothers.

    What winds up happening to them has a big effect on both Kevan and Lancel that lasts for several books to come. And yes, I know they could have Kevan drop out of politics and Lancel go on a religious kick *without* losing any family members, but it seemed like a strange thing to change for, really, no reason at all.

    Well, “his fathers brothers grandsons” would make them Kevan’s sons.

  • Zyphlin,

    On re-watching, I agree with you. Tyrion’s significant look to Ros earlier on seems to support that interpretation. It’s a much better scene in that case, though too bad it wasn’t a bit more obvious. I don’t think most viewers get it, in which case it comes across as more clunky and juvenile.

  • While I actually did like the song at the end, I think it was very misplaced.

    Overall, a very enjoyable episode! And the Blackfish is awesome.

    Rhaegar fought valiantly, Rhaegar fought nobly. And Rhaegar died.

  • Lefty:
    Always the artists.That was such a good line.

    Seriously. So perfect. Just goes to show what Mance and co have had to put up with north of the Wall for all this time, and what they’re choosing to face head-on instead of cowering or something. Loved the parting hug and jape between Mance and Tormund.

  • The Loon:
    Calling “boy” “youlittle bastard” usually gets you worse than an arrow through the head…dude got off easy

    But Boy could not risk him uttering a word more, could he? He had to hurry.

  • You should be the only one lol. It was fantastic I love how they are pulling the story together. After thinking they can’t possible get us to point b from here I am starting to see how this will shape up and it look awesome.
    SoS1989,

  • I agree with some of the others. This episode was horrible. I am truly starting to hate this show. If the books weren’t my favorite books of all time maybe I’d like the show a lot more. There are many reasons I won’t go into why I think the show is mediocre at best. But the biggest one is because the show ruined the books for me. Now everytime I read them I can’t help but picture what I’ve seen on the show. This shameless cash grabbing whore of a show pisses me off sometimes.

  • The Loon:
    Calling “boy” “youlittle bastard” usually gets you worse than an arrow through the head…dude got off easy

    He already had an arrow going through his chest. He was as good as dead.

  • KG:
    At this point, I’d like to go on the record with “I Told You So” about that stupid punk version as soon as it was announced.

    :PWhen will you folks learn that I’m right more often than not??

    You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

  • What the hell just happened in Theon’s plot? Have I just forgotten something paramount or did they just accelerate that to ADwD stuff? I thought that the main jailer guy was Reek A.K.A. Ramsay Snow the entire time until he inconveniently took several arrows to the chest and one to the head. This part of tonight’s largely excellent episode MADE ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE since Ramsay is still very much alive at the end of ADwD and is kind of a prominent character in the Stannis-Jon-NW plot.

    The only possible thing that I can think of is that the bowman is Ramsay, because in ADwD he allows Theon (and Kyra, who won’t be in the show I’m sure) to escape so he can hunt them down again for sport and further torture Theon, both physically and psychologically. But killing his own men really wouldn’t work.

    Either way, this is going to have major ramifications from the book series since a lot of that affects the main plot…anyone disagree? Am I completely missing something? And please no one flag or moderate this since this is supposed to be for fans of the books; I feel very strongly on this and I’m sure some others do too. I’m trying to process what just happened.

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    You have my sword. *bows*

  • God, the people bashing the song at the end disappoint the hell out of me.

    The song after that moment was perfect, jarring, contrasting, etc

  • Why on earth were we forced to watch an irrelevant Catelyn monolog about her father and an equally relevant and also distasteful Pod = t3h s3x k1ng scene when Varys got almost no screen time, Margaery got none, and Daenerys’ segment could have been extended given how awesome it was?

  • BTR:
    Why on earth were we forced to watch an irrelevant Catelyn monolog about her father and an equally relevant and also distasteful Pod = t3h s3x k1ng scene when Varys got almost no screen time, Margaery got none, and Daenerys’ segment could have been extended given how awesome it was?

    Because RW is coming

  • Derek Wolff,

    What you said about the bowman is most likely correct. He is Ramsay, and is simply mindfucking Theon at this point. There was even an reference (an inside one, tho) when the guy he shot said “You little bastard” before BOOM HEADSHOT.

    Also, sorry for all spoiler tags…trying to be nice in case some nonreaders stumble through the comments.

  • just rewatched the end. not nearly so jarring the second time around. there was a pause and black screen just long enough to sit up and say what the fu…

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    The scene was really violent – one of the most violent scenes in the series. Of course, humans are inherantly violent.

    Someone brought up the Mickey Mouse song earlier. If an alien from another planet watched Mickey Mouse and listened to the Mickey Mouse song, they would think that humans are all happy go lucky loving creatures without a violent instinct in their body. But the truth is that underneath the exterior, we are animals who haven’t really changed in thousands of years.

    That’s why the juxtaposition of violence with comedy makes sense, and that song is the the most well known comedic song in the series.

    On the other hand, if the audience rejects the song choice, then I’m not sure it was a wise decision unless that’s what they want. They might be okay with it being so decisive.

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    Oooh, you used the word “fuck.” You are truly a hard case. I am terrified. Please do not e-mail me any fanfic where you singlehandedly beat up both Bronn and the Hound with only a turkey leg. I would not be able to bear the terror.

    Aren’t you a moderator or something? Shouldn’t you behave with a little more class?

  • Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.”

    Thank you, D&D, for including this quote from the books! At long last we get another Rhaegar mention in the show. Now please give us the story of the tournament at Harrenhal.

    What a great episode! Maybe one of the best yet. I loved the song at the end and could give a fuck what anyone else thinks. Even Talisa was good in this ep(Nice intro to the Lannister prisoners). And the Pod brothel scene was hilarious. It was clearly D&D trolling the audience who cries about nudity in the show, and they even got a ‘Mereeneese knot’ joke in there! Good work D&D!

  • Derek Wolff,

    I’m gonna spoiler this just because it makes me feel better

    The guy who released Theon and subsequently killed the Bolton men is obviously Ramsay. He is orchestrating a mind fuck for Theon and Ramsay is a sadistic bastard; he has no qualms about killing his own men, as one remarked “you little bastard” as he died. What happens to Theon at the Dreadfort was recounted in ADWD but it occurs during ASOS, and so far it’s just Ramsay playing with Theon. There are no ‘ramifications’ for the story going forward as what’s happening is close to what happens in the book or at least within the scope of arriving at the same destination.

  • Awesome episode, I liked the Meereenese knot line, but the people I watch with aren’t as big asoiaf nerds as me. I can’t wait to hear my non-reader coworker reactions tomorrow

  • The music was FAR too jarring. It took you out of what should have been an OMFG moment and following a shot of a stump and screams — it went instead to INSTANT CAMP.

    Campy is fine for True Blood, but bad for GoT. Bad call on that one.

    Otherwise, while I enjoyed the rest of the episode (and loved the Podrick scene) the brevity of the episode was a little off-putting.

    This Season is going to be GREAT when it is done and I can watch it all back to back. As episodic television though, it’s just much too short, damn it.

  • Derek Wolff,

    Yeah man you are missing something. That’s Iwan Rheon who was announced as Ramsay Snow, and yes D&D are having him do a gigantic mindfuck on Theon. Can’t wait for it to happen and all the non-readers to freak out.

    I thought this episode was great, Locke is a great alternative to Vargo. and I guess the lot of you can’t handle punk jarring you out of the fantasy world, but I thought that song was perfect. “Jarring, disturbed, and shocked” is exactly how you should feel after watching Jaime lose his hand, its the whole point because as a high ranking prisoner, “that’s never supposed to happen”, which is why I thought the song being placed there was perfect. That, and to help people remember “The Bear and Maiden Fair”

  • kelly,

    The sigil accompanying Oona Chaplin’s name in the opening credits is two tigers circling one another. It’s a nod to Malaquo Maegyr, one of the ruling Triarchs of Volantis. My guess that in show canon, Talisa is supposed to be his daughter or, if you subscribe to certain theories (I personally don’t), she’s pretending to be.

  • I keep having to write more posts because there’s so much to talk about I forget so many things.
    My heart skipped some beats when Tyrion started talking about the Iron Bank.
    The look on Missandei’s face when she realized Dany knows Valyrian was awesome. Subtle enough that it takes a moment to see that there’s subtext and it isn’t just a fun feminist moment. “We are not men”!
    I actually loved the WW crop circles. They have a nice visual impact, but more importantly hint that the WW have an agenda beyond simple bloodthirst.
    It’s good that they had a scene with the mini Lannisters so we care when Karstark kills them.
    I’m thinking the make Grey Worm Missandei’s brother. The actors look similar enough to play siblings and it condenses characters.

  • Haven’t watched the episode yet, so I really shouldn’t comment on this (or even be reading this, ha ha ha) but the way people describe the ending reminds me of the original Evil Dead more than anything. The horrible nightmare has ended, the sun is coming up, Ash is walking away hoping to live the rest of his life with PTSD nightmares… and BOOM! POV monster cam slams into him, screen goes black, and then ‘these are the days’ ragtime music starts playing just before the credits roll. Best ending ever.

  • good episode, but i didn’t like how they fucked up with Sam. seriously wtf? he should kill an Other! and become Sam the Slayer

  • I’ve liked the last two episodes better than anything so far from Season 2 (Blackwater excluded). They did a much better job of pacing and suspension of disbelief in a way I felt 9 out of the 10 season 2 episodes pretty flatly failed to do. I will note though, both episodes had a singular pretty cringe-worthy moment. First it was the Catelyn monologue last episode, which, granted, only fails on such a large scale if you’ve read the books (though I still maintain it doesn’t do anything for the show’s purpose either and was wasted screen time, aside from being well acted by Michelle). In this episode it was the Pod set-up-to-be-a-sex-god thing. It came off as a forced attempted to nod to Pod as a book reader fan favorite, but it didn’t play, and it’s just kind of confusing and out of place. Otherwise, another terrific episode though. I absolutely LOVE how they’re incorporating Theon and pushing a story parallel to the Reek introduction into this season. Excellent adaptation decision that plays particularly well since Theon’s arch was the only one that really worked throughout the second season. Dany in Slaver’s Bay is, so far, working much better than Qarth, although I miss Belwas and thought they could have done more to play with the Barristan hidden identity thing rather than just gloss over it. And the musical chairs in the small council meeting was brilliant.

  • Dogmayor,

    See that’s the only thing that makes sense, as I said and I agree, that’s exactly what we’re told Ramsay does with Theon in ADwD. Guess it’s just a little weird to see it now since we get like, what, one Theon chapter in ASoS and then are told that Ramsay sends a piece of his skin to Cat at the RW? I mean, I guess it’s a good move going forward since they’ll sync the time frame with AFfC and ADwD so that we know Theon ultimately ends up with Stannis much earlier, but it was just weird for me at least to see it play out this way. I don’t remember reading Ramsay killing his own men at any point in the books, although since he’s implied to be so fucked up and the tv show takes that to the next level for non-POV characters ( Joffrey) it wouldn’t ultimately surprise me.

  • Shan,

    lol obviously I don’t care about that deviation at all. Not hardcore into making sure they get every little detail taken care of.

  • KG: Aren’t you a moderator or something? Shouldn’t you behave with a little more class?

    Class? Have you not read any of FaB’s stuff before? ;)

    Regarding punk-rock-over-credits-Gate, my initial reaction sort of mirrors most here, I found it a little off-putting. But having watched the episode a few times since, it has really grown on me. My prediction is it will be remembered quite fondly by the end of this season.

  • My favorite directorial detail in this episode — the scene where Theon is fleeing on a horse in the forest, pursued by three horsemen, and he passes under a big tree branch.

    That’s an iconic visual in shows/film – you expect one of the horseman to be knocked off by the branch. From experience, you anticipate the hero outfoxing his pursuers, Endor style. But instead, they simply duck, just like Theon.

    But it’s just part of the psychological setup for Theon’s (and Jaime’s) rude awakening, later in the episode.

  • This episode revealed that Burn Gorman is not Coldhands. Any chance Coldhands was cut from season 3?

  • wow, i was excited to read all the comments on all the scenes in that awesome episode and all anyone wants to talk about is the credits?

    get over it! it was black humor! i’m sure you’d all like to have sat there in mourning for jaime’s hand like it was the worst thing in the world, woe, woe. they were sticking their thumbs in your eyes and it worked because now you’re all butthurt.

    i am LOVING how they are dragging out the ramsay thing.

    good call on no sansa or bran this week. didn’t miss joffrey or margaery either. but i did miss lady olenna already. and i wish varys had more to get up to.

    small council scene was great. could’ve done without the pod weirdness.

    LOVED barristan and jorah arguing about the unsullied. they both had solid arguments.

  • Re-watched a bit and I still jumped a foot at that hand coming off! That pause where you go “nah, it didn’t actually come off” even when you know perfectly well that it did and then Jaime’s scream…*shivers* Great stuff indeed.

    The music at the end was basically a big eff you to Jaime, to any remaining preconceptions he (and we) might have about what’s coming and how his money/power/status was supposed to matter/serve as a shield. I thought it was perfect–it was supposed to be jarring. That and D&D love messing with us.

  • Ser Balon Swann,

    Ok thanks. I’ve been so caught up in work lately (last semester of college) that I never really looked too deep into the new castings. The episode tonight kind of just took me by surprise for a little while since I never remembered reading anywhere in ADwD that Ramsay kills his own men to start to mindfuck Theon. Again, as I just mentioned above, we know D&D like to run the sadistic fuck type that Ramsay fits the bill for like crazy, but I just didn’t fully understand it.

    We see Theon being tortured in what I was already thinking was the Dreadfort and pieces of his skin being flayed, which is Ramsay’s favorite pastime essentially. So unless those guys he kills did just know him the entire time and are genuinely surprised that he just decides to do what he does, I don’t fully get why D&D did it that way. Unless, again, they just love showing the extreme depravity that we’re not inherently shown in the books for some characters since they are not POVs but are merely suggested as being such (again, Joff).

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    And you have my bow.

  • Good episode but my fuck, what a way to completely ruin the ending scene. I’m not putting up with that shit more than once lol. I’m actually mind boggled that the GoT production team thought that was a good idea. Ohh you’re soo artistic bro, great idea. It sounded like the ending scene to a Jackass episode.

    Now we just need some LL Cool J to make the next battle scenes perfect!!! I’m gonna knock you out!! Mamma said knock you out!!! Oh yeah, thats a sick idea. Perfect mood for Westeros

  • **spoilers**

    I love how they are handling the Reek/Theon storyline like a prequel, we get to see his slow descent into insanity, I think it’s a much better character development for Reek and Ramsay for the tv show. Finally I liked the ending credits song, it was upbeat and out of place; that’s why it’s perfect, showing a happier side of Westeros only to pull us back to reality in later episodes lol.

  • The Kingslayer,

    Totally agree, see my earlier comment. I feel like they are minimizing Sam this season. Smae thing with “Bran, you are the TEC”. If there’s no TEC to go find, why are they going beyond the wall?

  • Ned’s Head:
    This episode revealed that Burn Gorman is not Coldhands. Any chance Coldhands was cut from season 3?

    Doubtful. Official synop for Ep 8 is “King’s Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together. Dany meets the Titan’s Bastard. Davos demands proof from Melisandre. Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.”

    Guessing that's him.

  • Bean:
    My favorite directorial detail in this episode — the scene where Theon is fleeing on a horse in the forest, pursued by three horsemen, and he passes under a big tree branch.

    That’s an iconic visual in shows/film – you expect one of the horseman to be knocked off by the branch.From experience, you anticipate the hero outfoxing his pursuers, Endor style.But instead, they simply duck, just like Theon.

    But it’s just part of the psychological setup for Theon’s (and Jaime’s) rude awakening, later in the episode.

    you know i thought the exact same thing about the tree branch. was completely expecting one of the pursuers to get knocked off, even though i knew it wouldn’t happen, then was pleasantly surprised when it didn’t even though i didn’t expect it to, all in a fraction if a second. if that sounds confusing, it’s because it was. i think it speaks to just how “iconic” that image is, and how the show can use iconic images but still be surprising.

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    And my axe!

  • I liked the song over the final credits, because a) it’s a great song, and b) it was completely unexpected, just like Jaime getting his hand chopped off.

    Not entirely sure why people are upset about it…

  • Really well done episode, and befitting the way things go with GoT, a step up from the last one, which was better than the first one.

    GOOD:
    –Direwolf Bread. Yum! (And a nice, understated way of letting Hot Pie exit.)
    –“Watch your head!” Every episode with the Hound, even 1 minute of it, is worth it. Seems like we’re going to get a lot more before we’re through.
    –The Blackfish. What is that actor, about 9 feet tall? He’s enormous. And his scene with Michelle Fairley is wonderful, and she’s just killing it this year. And the funeral was well-handled, too. Poignant, and a nice opening scene.
    –All Jaime and Brienne. Every bit of it. And Noah Taylor as Locke is still pretty much Vargo Hoat; he’s odd, he seethes, he’s got a bit of a speech impediment, and he’s just freaky-looking. It’s close enough.
    –Theon. They’re doing some nice work here.
    –Robb asserting himself with Edmure. I worry they make him to be too much of a dillweed, but, well, we’ll see.
    –The Small Council meeting. The strategic moving of chairs was particularly hilarious.
    –Daenerys – it’s getting better. Kraznys is just awful, awful. What a disgusting bastard. And love how she asserts herself with Mormont and Barristan.
    –Craster. There are a lot of odious characters on this show. Other than Joffrey, how many of them are worse than Craster? Any of them? This sick SOB lording it over his little freak harem…, sitting in his stupid chair like it’s the Iron Throne too.

    BAD:
    –Having to be like the 230th commenter here because we invariably watch Mad Men, the wife goes to sleep, then I finally get to this.
    –Podrick the Wonderschlong. It was all a bit silly, and went on a bit too long.
    –The song was, well, it was ok. Doesn’t belong, but it comes after the end of the episode, so whatevs.

  • johnnytata: you know i thought the exact same thing about the tree branch.was completely expecting one of the pursuers to get knocked off, even though i knew it wouldn’t happen, then was pleasantly surprised when it didn’t even though i didn’t expect it to, all in a fraction if a second.if that sounds confusing, it’s because it was.i think it speaks to just how “iconic” that image is, and how the show can use iconic images but still be surprising.

    I know exactly what you mean. I thought I was the only nerd who was thinking the same thing :)

  • The song was perfect. It was Tarantino. Same vibe as the ear-cutting scene in Reservoir Dogs. Black comedy. Lighten up, people.

  • Warrick,

    Lol…

    Yeah that credit music was like a splash of cold water over my face to take me out of that dramatic moment of Jaime losing his hand. That kind of credit music works for True Blood because its all tongue and check and pretty much in our modern time period…

    Besides that aweful credit music and the time consuming so important “Pod the stud” whore house scenes the episode was good.

    Dany’s storyline is the best so far IMO. I find myself sitting here just hoping Dany comes on next…

    And oh yeah, Vikings was amazing tonight!

  • Music in soundtracks isn’t something you *think* about. It’s not there to be thought about, or to be thematic, or to instruct.

    Music might do that and serve those ends, but music in soundtracks serves a different purpose. The soundtrack score is there to manipulate, shape and intensify the emotions of the viewer.

    If a jarring dissonant “campy” feel was the emotive effect D&D were shooting for, they certainly achieved it. If they went for camp, because “serious and dramatic” just didn’t work no matter what music they tried — well then… maybe.

    But I seriously doubt it.

  • one more thought abut the closing credits, one of my favorite things abut this series (book and show) is that it is so unpredictable. and it surprises me that so many die hard fans are pining for the predictable.

  • I noticed that it is Measter Pycelle who kicks off The Bear and the Maiden Fair the first time we hear it.

  • Of Course Ramsey is the type to kill his own men!! Who gives a crap that “it didn’t happen in the book”?? Damn it, I’m so freaking sick of every comment section here being just a bunch of people complaining that the show is not a word for word reselling of the book.
    (books that are nowhere near the best things ever).

    I really can’t wait when they need to change most of book 4 & 5. Because if they don’t change those, seasons 5 & 6 are going to be the most boring TV seasons of all time.

  • Guise I think there needs to be more modern music in this show.

    When theres sex scenes going on we need some Kesha “err’body gettin crunk crunk, boys wanna touch my junk junk!!!”

    When Robb’s mothafuckin beastin on boys, puttin them in their place, we need some Ice Cube “Ain’t nuttin to it, Gangsta rap made me do it”

    When theres future war scenes “LET THE BODIES HIT THE FLOOOOORRRRRRR”

    It would really add to the Westerosi experience and add some “artistic dissonance” to the show, right guisee?

  • johnnytata:
    one more thought abut the closing credits, one of my favorite things abut this series (book and show) is that it is so unpredictable.and it surprises me that so many die hard fans are pining for the predictable.

    I think book reading fans are not super smart.

  • To turn to the positive…and perhaps to the controversial… while there was a contingent of Thronies with pitchforks and torches who were going to march over Catelyn’s monologue last week (hint: it wasn’t about Catelyn, it was about providing exposition to the viewer to tell us that Jon Snow could be made a Stark by a legal decree) where is the hue and cry over Stannis?

    Because Stannis Baratheon did not seem to have utterly fallen for Melisandre romantically in the books — yet TV Stannis certainly seems to have. And Mel is not interested at all. She’s stand-offish and patronizing. So what’s up with THAT? No pitchforks and torches?

  • jkd: The song was perfect. It was Tarantino. Same vibe as the ear-cutting scene in Reservoir Dogs. Black comedy. Lighten up, people.

    Tarantino picks good songs though. I would have probably been able to stand watching through the credits with a better song in the same vein. Whatever though. That’s to be expected. Some people also like Nickelback. Comedy and music are two things that are just hard to ‘convince’ people of. Either you think something’s funny or you don’t, or something sounds good or it doesn’t. You can’t explain why someone should like these things or not.

  • IWillNotReadYourReply,

    Not saying it was a bad thing for the show, just not expected. Theon’s plot ventured off the path from the books a while back anyways so I can’t say I’m surprised. I’m just not sure if they’re going to the Dreadfort now or what, just trying to figure it out. It is kind of important with the events that happen to Theon later. But, since you won’t read this, guess there’s no point in telling you that.

  • johnnytata: it surprises me that so many die hard fans are pining for the predictable.

    Fans don’t so much want the predictable as the successful.

    The closing credits notwithstanding, a case can be made that the vast majority of changes to the original material are by definition bad changes. There may be reasons why they have to be made, but that doesn’t affect that reality. Filmmakers’ changes are made over days and weeks, while the original novels have been crafted over years. The likelihood of D&D coming up with some idea —one GRRM didn’t consider and reject for very good reasons five years ago— that matches or exceeds his is remote at best.

  • Anyone think that Mel is going to get Gendry and bring him back and replacing him for the Edric storm character that is not going to be in the show? It’s not like gendry does a whole lot after arya leaves him in the books, has some teenage run renegade group that meets up w/ brienne, we probably wouldn’t lose a lot.

  • I was like, “WTF?” at the outro music.

    I think what they should have done for credits music, is just silence with Jaime screaming and wailing until the very last name rolls.

    Other than that scene, this is the strongest episode so far IMO. I agree with one of the fellows above suggesting that they should only use that “ironic-coolforschool-chic” music for, I don’t know, contrasting effects??

  • The ending song was perfect! It’s sad to see so many dumb comments about “out of place” music at the end when it was just what the doctor ordered for that scene and for the whole episode

  • Winter Is Coming,

    Funny thing is: a lot of people are complaining because early pirated versions had the credits song start early and play over the last scene, which would probably kill the mood entirely.
    One of those weird little Piracy Karma things that happens once and a while.

  • Mr sharpy knife:
    wait, the song over the end of the scene at the end was really on purpose?

    As far as I know it was intended to be played after the show faded to black and a few seconds had passed, but I’ve seen others mention that it started during the scene itself for them, so I assume this was a programming error of some sort.

  • Agreed. Very poorly done, D&D. The rest of the episode freakin’ rocked, however. Even the chopping scene (wish they’d just gone to a silent black screen, then had the ending credits start rolling).

    KG: It was asinine. Turned one of the most dramatic moments in the book into a joke.

  • Steel_Wind,

    It was deliberate. Read this interview here, or the quote below.

    “It’s such a shocking ending and when we read the scene in the books it was so shocking to us,” Weiss says. “To really hammer home the shock of that moment you need something unexpected. There’s no version of a traditional score that would keep you as off balance as we wanted that scene to leaving you feeling.”

    “I can’t imagine having that conversation with Ramin [Djawadi] our composer — ‘Now we need the Jaime-gets-his-hand-chopped-off music,’” adds Benioff. who made his directorial debut with this episode. “What we always loved in An American Werewolf in London, we see our hero shot and killed and then his lover runs to embrace his dead body — it’s a sad ending — but then we cut to black and it’s [the bouncy 1961 Marcell’s hit] ‘Blue Moon.’ And that jarring juxtaposition was fantastic.”

  • DH87: Fans don’t so much want the predictable as the successful.

    The closing credits notwithstanding, a case can be made that the vast majority of changes to the original material are by definition bad changes. There may be reasons why they have to be made, but that doesn’t affect that reality. Filmmakers’ changes are made over days and weeks, while the original novels have been crafted over years. The likelihood of D&D coming up with some idea —one GRRM didn’t consider and reject for very good reasons five years ago— that matches or exceeds his is remote at best.

    This is a great post. Well said, Ser.

  • I loved the credits. There is nothing bad about a non sequitur. Just because you all wanted it to be deathly serious does not mean whoever made that choice was an idiot, it just means you take life (and likely the show/book) way too seriously. Jamie is probably my favorite character in the books and show, and even I did not mind the segue.

  • The song everyone has mentioned would have been fine if they would have played it for the credits, rather than have it replace Locke’s dialogue?

    The editing was so confusing, because the audio track dropped out for a second before the song started. And it started during a super close shot of Locke’s face as he is speaking and his lips are moving.

    So the end result was me thinking there was some technical issue that had gone wrong that was causing me to miss out on the climatic dialogue being spoken, and now I won’t know what he was saying.

    Maybe they could have edited it a bit different to make it work.

  • Loved the episode. The Pod scene that many are complaining about was a great and much needed levity. The non-book reader I was watching with laughed at loud at the scene.

    BTW, liked that the credit song pissed so many of the ‘purists’ off.

  • You guys do know that the song at the end was the Bear and the Maiden fair. But I kinda agree with the sentiment. It was a little too ska-ish. I kinda liked the Podrick Payne scene though. I think it was Tyrion who probably set up the whole sex god thing to make Podrick gain more confidence.

  • Lol @ all the pirates being mad at a faulty version they downloaded. There was never any music over Locke talking.

  • Do you think perhaps the credit music was our “walk of punishment” for being such whiney bitches? heh heh heh

  • That whole final scene was great until the final shot. Even without the stupid music it still would look kinda comical. Sometimes less is more and they should have just shown Vargo(or whatever his name is in the show) swing the blade down and then cut to Jaimes face screaming and then shown Vargo lift the hand up with some haunting music playing while the credits roll. It came off almost Monty Python-esque on the show.

  • boyo71,

    I’m not a purist. Far from it. In fact, I’m in favor of whatever changes make the story fit onto a television screen.

    However, including ham-fisted, halfass fake corporate “punk” songs aren’t covered by my belief system.

  • confused_hodor:
    The song everyone has mentioned would have been fine if they would have played it for the credits, rather than have it replace Locke’s dialogue?

    The editing was so confusing, because the audio track dropped out for a second before the song started. And it started during a super close shot of Locke’s face as he is speaking and his lips are moving.

    So the end result was me thinking there was some technical issue that had gone wrong that was causing me to miss out on the climatic dialogue being spoken, and now I won’t know what he was saying.

    Maybe they could have edited it a bit different to make it work.

    STOP WATCHING PIRATED COPIES !!!!!!!! THE CHOPPING SCENE ENDS WITH JAIME’S SCREAM IN SILENSE FADING TO BLACK. THE SONG STARTS ONLY 3 SECONDS AFTER THE BLACK SCREEN

  • Darquemode:
    Steel_Wind,

    It was deliberate. Read this interview here, or the quote below.

    American Werewolf in London was a campy horror movie. Game of Thrones isn’t.

    Whatever. So I happen to profoundly disagree with their emotive goal. I’ll get over it.

    None of that changes the fact that:

    A – I still have to wait another week for episode 4; and
    B – These episodes ALL seem shorter than any episode in Season 1 or 2 (even when they are not.)

    I am left with the inescapable view that Game of Thrones is intended to be binged upon. This weekly episodic format is driving me crazy!

  • Episode – Overall great, strongest of the first three.
    Ending credits song – GOD AWFUL and out of place. “But it’s the Bear & The Maiden Fair!” is not a valid excuse. AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL. Hope to never hear music like this over the credits again.

  • No, I’m afraid it’s you who’s totally wrong. The whole show is art, that’s a dumb statement. The song didn’t fit and took every viewer right out of the scene they were so deeply entrenched in. You’re wrong.

    Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

  • The problem is, they chopped the line! Come on D&D, would it *really* have hurt anything to include one more Rehager Fought ???

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought bravely. And Rhaegar died.”

    Thank you, D&D, for including this quote from the books! At long last we get another Rhaegar mention in the show.Now please give us the story of the tournament at Harrenhal.

  • The episode itself was incredible and I enjoyed it a great deal. The end credits and the song that played over it was so jarring, inappropriate and poorly produced that it absolutely ripped me out of the moment. As many have said on this thread, this is not True Blood. And for the record, I love that show too and the music it often plays over the credits because it fits the situation and the show.

    Who was so inept that they thought THIS song over the credits for Game of Thrones was a good idea? I mean… really? There isn’t even a precedent for this in prior seasons. How absolutely ridiculous. And how disappointing when everything else was so well put together.

  • boyo71,

    I agree with the song choice. The people I watch the show with that have never read the books still hate Jamie so they got enjoyment out of the scene and felt the song was great. I think the people who feel sorry for Jamie and like him now are the ones most pissed off about the song choice.

  • Those were my thoughts exactly. Silence would have been best..somber music with no words would be good too but that grunge/punk whatever music was horrid.

  • hated the song at the end. Why coudn’t they just wait till credits? that was a 10/10 scene before that stupid song, i thought something was wrong with the file a i downloaded.

  • I see what D&D mean but I disagree with their premise… American Werewolf in Lindon is a classic and I know exactly what they are talking about. However it’s a time period blunder they don’t seem to realize. It’s okay and worked for AWiL because its still a modern day time period movie…

    The punk music totally took me personally out of the GoT zone. You can’t play modern era punk music song two seconds after a dramatic scene in a fantasy medieval time period piece like that and expect people to not totally lose their mood.

    Oh well I’m sure many people enjoyed it and I’m glad if it worked for them but for me that was like trying to mix water and oil… It jarred me alright, totally out of my GoT mindset and into the realm of “WTF is this garbage I’m hearing”…

  • Ed:
    No, I’m afraid it’s you who’s totally wrong. The whole show is art, that’s a dumb statement.The song didn’t fit and took every viewer right out of the scene they were so deeply entrenched in.You’re wrong.

    don’t watch pirated copies, bro. You got yourself frustrated with the scene that was messed up by pirates’ encoding. There is no music during the scene at all

  • best episode so far!
    the only thing that killed it was exactly after the end (the song) so it doesn´t count
    i’m reading book 5 and i still don´t know very well what happens to theon so it’s nice to see a few surpises in the show
    blackfish was better than i imagined!!!
    even the talisa scene was good, so i still can’t decide if i like her
    jaime’s hand :(
    can’t wait to see dany’s storyline next episode and the climbing of the wall :D

  • charles:
    hated the song at the end. Why coudn’t they just wait till credits? that was a 10/10 scene before that stupid song, i thought something was wrong with the file a i downloaded.

    You got punished by pirating the show. GG. There is no music during that scene

  • charles,

    They did wait til the credits. Don’t watch pirated versions; support the show even if it means getting HBO for 3 months

  • Steel_Wind,

    I agree…
    Each episode goes by so fast this season! The show is really designed to be watched in marathon format IMO.

    Honestly I feel the same way about most serialized TV shows (Breaking Bad, TWD, etc), but Game of Thrones is just such intense storytelling that I feel a greater desire to see what happens next! Maybe since I know what is coming and already have a connection to the material from reading the books?

    As for the music, agree or disagree. Each is entitled to their opinion. I just wanted to link the article to share their side of it.

  • KG:
    boyo71,

    I’m not a purist. Far from it. In fact, I’m in favor of whatever changes make the story fit onto a television screen.

    However, including ham-fisted, halfass fake corporate “punk” songs aren’t covered by my belief system.

    Your’e complaining about an ending credit song. Take a second to let that soak in…

    Sometimes the Sopranos played credit songs that I didn’t care for. It didn’t effect the power of the episode though.

  • Jaime loses his hand very unexpectedly, followed by an unexpected song. It worked really well for me, and even complimented the last scene, I mean HONESTLY I don’t know what ‘Guy getting his hand chopped off’ credit music would sound like…

    Are the same people saying that the song ruined the entire episode the people who cry about minor deviations from the book like it butchered the story. ie Catelyn monologue completely destroyed her character omg shes totally horrible in the show now cant watch etc…. people are entitled to their opinions but jesus if you guys dont blow things way out of proportion lol

  • MyBFFTheHound,

    Not mad, was just confused. It was indeed a technical problem. I would throw money at HBO GO if they offered it in my country, but I don’t watch\have a regular TV as I’m not big on sports or advertisements.

  • Steve:
    I think the punk version of the song at the end actually fits the scene.At first, I was like WTF, but then I thought about it as it played.

    Locke cutting off Jaime’s hand was a fuck you to nobleman privilege, just like punk rock music.

    ^ This!!!!

    Fantastic episode. Absolutely fantastic. I know now not to be bothered by anyone’s opinion on this board. Love or hate or fanboy or troll away, for me that was incredible television.

  • I don’t even understand why people think a song like that was okay over the credits. How do we go from ending a great episode with a stunning rendition of “The Rains of Castamere” after Blackwater to what we got at the end of the episode tonight?

    Total, utter shite.

  • I am after the second viewing already…wow this was another awesome episode! Dany is trully finding herself, I love to see how she is toying with those douches who are making fun of her…oh man Daenerys Stormborn will be a bad mofo this season.

    When Mance finally told Thormund to scale the wall… “When the time comes I’ll light up the biggest fire the North has ever seen!” I got chills…

    Tobias Menzies really captured Edmure Tully as I thought he would. And Pod, daaaaamnn the dude is a player’s playa…he got game!

    At first when I heard the music at the end I was a bit surprised but as the night progressed and I got drunker…that bit if Irish drinking music sure went down good with all the ale!!!!

    I really liked this episode, but to me the stand-out was ser Brynden “The Blackfish” Tully! The scenes that he had…LOVED HIM… another badass, when he shot his arrow he didn’t even bother to look and see where it was going to land! How cool is that!

    All in all once again I gotta say I really love this slow-burn build-up! I think this is the right way to progress with the season.

  • JustinB:
    boyo71,

    I agree with the song choice. The people I watch the show with that have never read the books still hate Jamie so they got enjoyment out of the scene and felt the song was great. I think the people who feel sorry for Jamie and like him now are the ones most pissed off about the song choice.

    This is a good point.

  • I think the TV show is making a lot of the riddles much more obvious than the books did… like:

    1. Craster sacrifices to White Walkers.
    2. Craster is a Stark bastard.
    3. Jon Snow is a Targ.
    4. Jaime & Cersei are Targs.
    5. Jaime is redeemed.
    6. Bran is corrupted.
    7. Tommen is the PWWP.
    8. The 3-Eyed Crow is bad.
    9. Northerners are linked to cannibalism & blood magic.
    10. Dany is bad.
    11. Stannis is bad.
    12. Melisandre is bad & is also wearing a glamor.
    13. Catelyn is a bitch (w/Jon Snow).

    etc.

    Of course, when I say “bad”, I don’t mean like black and white, LOTR-type “bad”. ASOIAF isn’t written like that. Everything is in shades of grey. So, by bad I mean “not good”. Which is significant, because there are a LOT of people out there who seem to think the Starks, Stannis, Dany, etc. are “good” guys. Not so.

    That’s not all of them, of course. Just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. But the show seems to really be bringing all that out more than the books did. Or maybe you just have to know what to look for. Or maybe I’m delusional. One or the other.

  • Jared,
    The sigil accompanying Oona Chaplin’s name in the opening credits is two tigers circling one another. It’s a nod to Malaquo Maegyr, one of the ruling Triarchs of Volantis. My guess that in show canon, Talisa is supposed to be his daughter or, if you subscribe to certain theories (I personally don’t), she’s pretending to be.

    Thanks Jared. That would definitely be an interesting addition to show canon. For the most part I haven’t agreed with the theories that Talisa isn’t being honest about who she is or that she has ulterior motives. But it is odd that they wouldn’t make her sigil a direwolf now that she is Queen of the North. I also thought it was odd in the last episode when she and Robb are talking and she says she never thought she would get married. If she is a noble woman getting married and having children would be what she had been preparing for since childhood. Hmm…

    Also, I agree that on a re-watch the song over the closing credits bothered me much less.

  • confused_hodor,

    Some pirated versions had the music starting earlier, that’s all. Sounded like a desync, which is a quite common encoding bug.

    I also watched it pirated and had the moment ruined, though I obviously knew what was coming.

  • Raven,

    Rains of Castamere was a somber song about a bunch of people being killed, Bear and Maiden Fair is a pub type song, which would probably sound something like the credit music sans instruments. Maybe now when its being sung in episode 7, viewers will think back and remember it rather than say wtf is this?

  • Anguissette1979,

    Nope, just rewatched. He’s initially chased by four and one breaks off in the woods to circle around. You can tell because he’s swing the flail before he does so.

  • LOVED that episode. I don’t really get why so many people are freaking out over the song. While I would have rather a different band have done it, I thought it played very well for the ending. The people I was watching with (non-book readers) didn’t even really notice the song because there mouths were gaping when it faded to black and then everybody was like “WTF!?!” because of that CRAZY scene.

    I thought it was great. I don’t get the True Blood comparisons (because I can’t sit through 5 minutes of that show), but for me it kind of reminded me of something they’d do in Breaking Bad, the way they juxtapose something super serious with a light hearted song. I don’t think it took away from the horror of the scene at all. It was all about shock and awe, and I think they achieved judging by my fellow watchers faces when the episode ended. GREAT episode.

  • Normally I like reading through all the comments here, but I had to scroll to the end after 50 comments about the song in a row. This episode was a fun ride, and I thought the song was awesome. Mind you I watched a glitchy version on HBO Go that made the music come in before the scene was over…which was confusing, and yet that song playing over the hand coming off was strangely excellent. Fantastic episode!

  • 1. Craster sacrifices to White Walkers.
    I thought this was pretty clear in the books.
    2. Craster is a Stark bastard.
    How is this implied in the show?
    3. Jon Snow is a Targ.
    Again, how is this implied in the show?
    4. Jaime & Cersei are Targs.
    Again…
    5. Jaime is redeemed.
    Show is following same timeline (for most part) as book, so I’m not sure how the show spoiled anything.
    6. Bran is corrupted.
    How is this implied on the show?
    7. Tommen is the PWWP.
    Surely I’m getting trolled now
    8. The 3-Eyed Crow is bad.
    How is it implied in the show?
    9. Northerners are linked to cannibalism & blood magic.
    Again…
    10. Dany is bad.
    Again…
    11. Stannis is bad.
    Again…
    12. Melisandre is bad & is also wearing a glamor.
    Again…especially with the glamor. They haven’t even mentioned that aspect of magic whatsoever.
    13. Catelyn is a bitch (w/Jon Snow).
    Well duh.

    I’m not trying to be rude, I’m simply curious as to how you’re seeing all these observations. Unless you’re just trying to troll us :)

  • Oh my god.

    Yeah, I watched the pirated copy, and I have to say — jesus fucking christ, when that song started playing over the Jaime loses his hand scene I laughed SO HARD and my stomach still hurts. That is the best thing that ever has happened in my life. I cannot get over how funny that was.

    All y’all complaining need to be quiet because those of us who watched the pirated versions got a treat there. God, the look on Jaime’s face with that music playing as he saw his stump is so funny I start laughing again whenever I think about it.

    I hope it was done on purpose by the encoders as a masterful troll because it’s fucking beautiful.

    A++++

  • Someone made a point here about the song being kind of a fuck you to all the lords and ladies of Westeros i.e. the upper class. Noah Taylor (aka Locke ?!) makes it very clear that he does not think much of Jamie or his title…actually he really doesn’t give a fuck…and that song certainly is a go fuck yourself type of song.

    Anybody familiar with the Dropkick Murphys or The Pogues will understand better the spirit of the song at the end…and why it goes with the whole scene!

  • Varamyr Fourskins,

    The only ones that the show touches upon are Crasters sacrifice and Jaime’s redemption. Some of those other theories are insane ( Tommen, secret Targs, secret Starks)

  • I do feel bad for D&D because everything they do is put under a microscope by us and magnified to become such a huge issue…

    To be honest the credit music isn’t a big deal to me at all and the episode was a winner. I just come here to nitpick and see what you all think as well.

    I am loving Dany this season. Emilia is really doing a great job showing us Dany’s development into a true Khaleesi/Conqueror. I can’t wait for her storyline to develop. I just patiently wait for her scenes every episode then once she comes on I sit up and widen my eyes to take it all in…

  • Rose,

    Totally! I laughed so hard, and got pumped up too. People with me who hadn’t read were confused as shit but also loved it. Made me really happy. Reading the comments here kinda killed the buzz for me a bit (don’t think I’ll be reading the episode comments right afterwards in the future), but I’ve still got a huge smile on my face.

  • JustinB:
    boyo71,

    I agree with the song choice. The people I watch the show with that have never read the books still hate Jamie so they got enjoyment out of the scene and felt the song was great. I think the people who feel sorry for Jamie and like him now are the ones most pissed off about the song choice.

    I’m not so sure about that. Jaime is one of my favorite characters from the books and I thoroughly enjoyed the music. Many of the complaints I’ve seen about the song have mentioned that it killed the emotion of the moment or took you out of Westeros, etc., so perhaps it has something to do with escapism. In any event, for many nonreaders I suspect seeing the Kingslayer lose a hand is cause for celebration, so the raucous tune is probably fitting to some ;)

  • Timmen,

    I’ll disagree, as I am guessing how it is sung in episode 7 will be absolutely nothing like it was sung over the credits and will most likely be more similar to how it was sung earlier in tonight’s episode. I don’t think Bear and Maiden Fair would sound anything like the song over the credits during that time period, or in that world… instruments or not. But that’s just my personal opinion.

    It was jarring for me and I’ve ranted about it and said my peace. Not much more to say. The episode itself was still amazing.

  • Just rewatched the episode, and it is definately one of my favorites of the series. The only way it could have been better is if it was 5 minutes longer. This may be the best ‘first four’ episode yet. And the next episode is supposed to be better? Can’t wait!

  • I’m weighing in to say I really liked the song. Reminded me of the Pogues, which seemed entirely appropriate. The song is the sound of Bolton’s men laughing at Jaime.

  • Kinda surprised at all the people who think that Ramsay wouldn’t kill his own men. Given all the messed up things the Bastard is known for, is there really anything he wouldn’t do to have his fun (besides crossing his father)?

  • Reading these comments that blow things entirely out of proportion REALLY makes me think the majority of the GoT/ASoIaF community is nothing but a mass collective of the Comic-Book Guy on Simpsons…

  • Andrew:
    Man, that was a great episode! D&D Didn’t do a half-bad job in the directors chairs, and all the plotlines touched in the episode were really good. I had a good laugh at the Podrick situation; the Meereenese Knot joke was a great touch!

    My one problem with the episode was the ending. First, I think it might have been better to take the Baelor approach to Jamie’s hand and cut away before just showing the gore, sort of like how the book just ended on how he screamed. Think it would have been more effective. Second, whoever decided to put the (admittedly very good) version of Bear and the Maiden Fair in the credits right after such a shocking and dramatic scene is a moron. Every single person I was watching with burst out laughing as soon as the music started. Aside from that, and I really can’t comment too much on how much the song detracted from the schock seeing as I knew what was coming, I really liked the rest of the scene.

    No Sansa this episode but I guess the great Dany content made up for it!

    You got that right, the show was awesome but for the awkward ending.
    Not sure why the Kings Landing Bromance had much relevance either.
    I like the threesome, just wish the amusement was of a different nature,
    like insights as to where Littlefinger raises funds from. I thought the
    brothel scene a bit of harmless fun too, just not so early on where
    more significant moments were being established. Tyrion had me
    in stitches when he dragged that heavy chair in a quiet council meeting .

  • Terror-Filled Knight,

    And you taking the time to read all the comments and then post on that topic filled with Comic-Book Guys from the Simpsons makes you… ? What? Awesome? Nah, not so much.

    Everybody is here for a reason. Most of us are just passionate about a story we love. Maybe you are too and you’re just annoyed at the negative comments. Or maybe you’re just a troll.

    Hopefully I didn’t just feed a troll. :P

  • First of all … EDUMUUUUURE!!! where have you been? and the Blackfish … thank god they’re just in the series.

    Kraznys Maznys Baznys mo Kraznys … your days are numbered.

    Great comic relief by Tyrion this episode.

    Ramsay … I’m really liking how they’re painting the picture that we never saw in the books. Mind games … horrible mind games.

    On the Stannis front? Not sure I’m liking this intermediary unless Mel is going to get Edric Storm. I’m not a big fan of the merger of Edric and Gendry. Keeping my fingers crossed, but expecting the worst. So far, the worst part of the season.

    The brotherhood … looking forward to meeting the lightning lord, but am pleasantlly impressed by the comic relief they provide so far, to include forcefully making the hound knock his head. Although, I would’ve appreciated a nod to king Robert in the “We’re King’s men,” line.

    The odd couple are very entertaining so far. And even though it wasn’t Vargo Hoat doing the deed, I’m very happy with the merger of house bolton with the brave companions, because it gives the audience a more sinister perspective of how brutal these @$$O’es these guys really are.

    And what a great ending scene … and to disagree, a great ending music!

    Anguissette1979:
    That was the worst musical ending to a Game of Thrones episode EVER.

    what did you want? the Star Wars theme? Just rock out to a really rocking moment in the entire series. If you read the books, you never saw this coming when you read it, so go listen to your Justin Bieber, poser.

  • DH87: Fans don’t so much want the predictable as the successful.

    Successful Indeed ! I’ll take a healthy portion of that m’lady.

  • There is apparently an illegal download floating around where they pushed up the Bear and the Maiden Fair punk song half way into Locke putting Jamie on the table! Ha ha ha I can only imagine how jarring that must be!

  • That awkward moment when you fire the arrow….and miss the boat! #shouldIlaugh?

    For Winterfell!

  • Another fantastic episode!! The chairs… cersei picking up that huge chair was hilarious and her eye rolling was superb. Tyrion.. i love him!

    Pod scene was too funny. I think the whores were messing w/ bronn and tyrion. But.. Pod seems like a giver… so.. yeah.. i didn’t have any problem with his sex god status. Lol

  • Rather than further mutilating the dead horse re: the credits song, I’d like to talk about another stand-out scene in this episode – the Council meeting!

    It goes to show how skillful the writers are at crafting a scene that is simultaneously giving us a lot of information about the power relations between these characters, and also be hugely entertaining – all without a single word of dialogue being spoken! All the actors were top-notch, the staging and framing were spectacular. One of the best scenes of the series so far.

  • Raven,

    I’m not allowed to read things? For the most part, usually midway between episodes, people have calmed down or stopped complaining and the discussion is great. But after EVERY. SINGLE. EPISODE. The majority of comments are not praise, but scorn over the most minute details that do not effect anything. Discourse is fine, I’d just rather have some balance instead of knee-jerk reactions. I also am deeply invested in the story. Passion for a story explains the ridiculous outcrys, but it doesn’t condone it. People can’t say “But I LOVE this series so much” anytime someone calls them on stupidity.

    I’m not a troll, just tired of people complaining about non-substantial things. It’s a credit scene. Maybe complain about some actual problems (which I’m sure will be fixed or explained, I have faith in D&F). Like Stannis completely ignoring Balon Greyjoy and getting lustful with Mel.

  • Trapstar:
    Am I the only one who liked the use of the song? I think the fact that it was so out of place actually added to the “holy ****” feeling that most people were probably feeling after the hand.

    I agree with you, the unlikeliness of the song put a nice contrast like it’s going to be one hell of a season. But they should have concentrated on the vocals more, guitar was more present. Overall really good episode.

    Best of the best: Dany, Arya and Hot Pie, Riverrun, Jaime and Brienne.

  • I guess the whole end credit music thing for me comes down to this. I will ask it in a question to try to get my point across…

    Would you play a 2013 hip-hop/rap song on the closing credits of a 1950 based gangster movie? I just think it was really out of place. This is a fantasy time period piece and the credits are part of that time period feel.

    That is all I am saying, it just took me out of my GoT mindset… It worked for American Werewolf in London because the music fit into that time period although the mood of the music was offsetting and thats what added to the “shock value”.

    Okay I said my piece on the end credit music. For all those who think differently I respect your opinion and we just have to agree to disagree. =)

  • JustinB:
    boyo71,

    I agree with the song choice. The people I watch the show with that have never read the books still hate Jamie so they got enjoyment out of the scene and felt the song was great. I think the people who feel sorry for Jamie and like him now are the ones most pissed off about the song choice.

    At first thought this made sense, however:
    Book Jaime was straight up villain until book 3 when we got inside his head, and it took all book to redeem himself to the reader.
    Show Jaime has been made much more sympathetic right from the get go by nature of the medium.
    We see his love for cercei and therefore his obvious motivation for Bran-tossing.
    We know how close he is with Tyrion and the respect the shows favorite character has for him.
    In season 1 he already explained why he killed Aerys.
    We’ve seen him interact with his father, and spent lots of time with him. Even if you don’t like him, he’s fantastic onscreen and we are invested in him.
    I don’t see this as a cheering moment for many watchers.
    This wasn’t Joffery, this is a fun and entertaining character we enjoy seeing.

  • What if I told you that Jaime symbolized the entitled segment of viewers, and Locke’s knife the credit song?

  • Winter Is Coming: Class? Have you not read any of FaB’s stuff before? ;)

    Regarding punk-rock-over-credits-Gate, my initial reaction sort of mirrors most here, I found it a little off-putting. But having watched the episode a few times since, it has really grown on me. My prediction is it will be remembered quite fondly by the end of this season.

    Agreed, stop and think people. The music was perfect, just perfect for 2 things.

    1. It was an unexpected choice for an unexpected end.
    2. The music is joyful, because it has to be, the Jaime that pushed Bran, that killed the boy in the cell, the jerk….died when his hand got cut off…this is the rebirth of Jaime and it’s a moment of celebration. If you don’ t get this, well, maybe “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” is more your pop culture hitch.

  • CG:
    Rather than further mutilating the dead horse re: the credits song, I’d like to talk about another stand-out scene in this episode – the Council meeting!

    It goes to show how skillful the writers are at crafting a scene that is simultaneously giving us a lot of information about the power relations between these characters, and also be hugely entertaining – all without a single word of dialogue being spoken! All the actors were top-notch, the staging and framing were spectacular. One of the best scenes of the series so far.

    I agree 100%

  • Terror-Filled Knight,

    You’re allowed to read things just as much as I’m allowed to bitch about a song over the credits. Everybody is going to love, hate and be indifferent about various things during this interpretation of the books. Don’t get me wrong though, I can understand a frustration with the negativity. It gets a little thick sometimes. And we’re all going to debate what is important and what is not. And what worked and what didn’t.

    However, making personal insults about the character of a person because of their opinions and comparing them to the butt of a joke on a cartoon is fairly pointless. We’re all here for the same reasons in the end, whatever our background.

    PS – Yeah, that scene with Stannis and Mel was creepy. lol

  • feel like D&D don’t do justice to the jon snow storyline, its obvious that they have a handful of favourites and push them more… like tyrion and dany for example. Jon- by not giving him enough screentime to develop his character – they make him look kind of boring… his storyline in tis book is actually really big… and they don’t show more bonding with him and ygritte…

  • taim,

    Jon is one of my favorites in the books but not so much in the HBO series. Hoping to see better things from him in the future, though!

  • About the song – now that I’ve watched a proper version without the glitch at the end -, I didn’t dislike the juxtaposition as much as the song itself. Though I knew it’d be more playful and fun then “The Rains of Castamere”, I just didn’t expect it to sound so adolescent.

    In any case, it was a great episode overall. Crater’s keep was my favorite moment. They really gave justice to the creepy and tense atmosphere I got from the books.

    And please, people, don’t chastise those whose only way of watching this show is through piratebay. You don’t know where we’re from. For some people, in some countries, cable isn’t exactly affordable.

    (I did buy the DVDs for both seasons though).

  • Man all you whiners. Perfect ep, though a little short. Wouldn’t change a thing – even the gratuitous brothel scene didn’t rub me the wrong way. Can’t wait for next week!

  • CG,

    One of my favorite scenes as well.

    Not only was it great cinematically, but also a nice bit of foreshadowing. Tyrion is done scurrying for a seat close to Tywin. By placing himself at the other end of the table it was a slap to Tywin basically saying that he is an equal (at the very least he is not concerned with such false stature)…. and of course mocks his sister in the process.

  • First I want to say that I thought that this was a great episode! I wasn’t crazy about the music but who cares? Next week is going to be awesome!!!

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    I just have to say I think you are very wrong on a number of the things you have said. Specifically 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 10, 11, & 12. I mean some of what you said are just plain wrong, but also taking into account an important theme that goes through this whole series, it is all about Point of View. What some people would call wrong, others would call it right. GRRM doesn’t really make black and white characters.

  • I wasn’t crazy about this episode. I thought that Episode 2 was slow, but this one felt even slower! The bear and the maiden fair isn’t very catchy either, is it? Maybe it’ll grown on me… but not liking it right now.

    I honestly thought that the final scene of this episode would be Danny and her Unsullied takeover via. dragon fire.. Very disappointed that this didn’t happen yet. I was also waiting for Sam to kill a walker with dragonglass, but now I don’t think it’s going to even happen!

    I also agree with the vast majority of people, having a new-age punk rendition of The Bear and the Maiden Fair felt very out of place.

  • I finished watching the episode a short time ago ( PST ), but missed the opening
    scene, presumably with Menzies at Riverrun. What I did view was a thoughtful
    episode with many great scenes. Danerys bartering with Krasnys was awesome,
    very well done by all present. Krasnys ‘s role as administrator ,from the books ,
    proved even better on screen. His demeanour, and tone was authentic for the era.

    I’ve gotten used to Lady Cate as the grieving mother only role, it was quite
    affecting, especially with Blackfish there to comfort her.

    I had a few glimpses of Burn Gorman in the haunted forest/ Craster’s Keep.
    The gritty landscape and beaten men needed no words to express their situation.
    Craster’s loud moth and crassness needed no explanation either. Why is
    Ghost tracking the Night’s Watch brothers?

    Over at the Frostfangs, or just beyond the Fist of Men, I was surprised to
    learn of an early Wall climb by Tormund , albeit hinted at from previews.
    I guess Jon skips hiking to the Gift, and no earlier attempts then to
    prove himself as a convincible spy for the Night’s watch. Gone too is any
    interaction with Summer.

    Theon’s escape was harrowing and intriguing at the same time. He and many viewers
    have no idea what’s really happening to him. The explanation will be revealed in
    future scenes………. This episode really provoked nightmarish fear from him and
    false sense of rescue. Poor Reek ):

  • Fire And Blood: You’re totally wrong. That jarring song at the end of that jarring scene was fucking art.

    But hey, there’s a first for everything.

    I shall now gather together my “That Roll Credits Song At The End Of The Episode After Jaime Gets His Hand Hacked Off Was GREAT” peeps and march on you all.

    You will all bend the knee or I will destroy you.

    And my axe! Broseph!

  • I loved this episode. I thought the Podrick Payne sex god was hilarious even if it was unneeded. I thought the Talisa scene was a bit unnecessary.But when is Sam the Craven gonna turn into Sam the Slayer? That is an important character development.

  • Really enjoyed the episode, Dany was fantastic and next week should have one of the top three endings of the show this far, cannot wait for that moment with Dany.

    Loved the Blackfish! Pretty funny watching Edmure totally botch lighting his father’s pyre and then the Blackfish step in and make it happen.

    Hilarious stuff when Pod was being introduced to the three women at the house of ill repute and yes Tyrion set the whole thing up with Pod to make him feel even better about himself after all he is paying him back for saving his life and romp with three prostitutes seemed like a pretty cheap way to pay it back but to give the young man the feeling he is a sexual dynamo for the rest of his life, well that is priceless, lol.

    Jamie was incredible this episode, Nicolau does such a good job and is so persuasive and even though I knew it was going to happen it still shocked me and my girlfriend who hasn’t read the books screamed and jumped, well executed.

    Overall a very good episode but I do have one complaint and that was the song when the credits rolled. If you want to have that song available at web site or something fine but to have a modern song like that with electric guitars was just flat out awful!!! It was jarring and totally took me out of the world of GOT. Have something eerie, or scary or haunting but something that seems to be related to the world they are portraying but to have rock or punk music is a complete anachronism and really left me with a sour note after the amazing scene where Jamie loses his hand. Whoever made that decision needs to be castigated and hopefully they get enough complaints that they don’t do that ever again.

    One more note like so many of you the episodes seem to all be five minutes long I am always shocked that it is over every week because I am so engrossed.

  • robb17:
    gonna miss Hot Pie. sad tht he is gone

    I’ll miss him too. When reading the books, I would refer to him as ” Hot Pocket “.

  • did i just see the Larry Bird of Westeros? Damn, Blackfish walked off before his shot even hit the target! Then throws the bow to Edmure! Sick!

  • BTW, i guess it was my file that was encodded badly. I didn’t mind the song as a credits song, but it was the way it jumped out of nowhere in my file, right while deed was happening and locke was delivering his final lines.

    btw, i’m an hbo subscriber, but i work nights and i didn’t want to wait till home to watch the ep!!

  • The DarkStar: At first thought this made sense, however:
    Book Jaime was straight up villain until book 3 when we got inside his head, and it took all book to redeem himself to the reader.
    Show Jaime has been made much more sympathetic right from the get go by nature of the medium.
    We see his love for cercei and therefore his obvious motivation for Bran-tossing.
    We know how close he is with Tyrion and the respect the shows favorite character has for him.
    In season 1 he already explained why he killed Aerys.
    We’ve seen him interact with his father, and spent lots of time with him. Even if you don’t like him, he’s fantastic onscreen and we are invested in him.
    I don’t see this as a cheering moment for many watchers.
    This wasn’t Joffery, this is a fun and entertaining character we enjoy seeing.

    While maybe not a cheering moment it certainly isn’t a somber moment (at least not for the unsullied). It was his hand not his head. No need for somber music like when Ned or Ser Rodrick were beheaded. Besides, we know he becomes a better person b/c of this so it really is something to celebrate then, right?

  • Great episode. I love all the details in this show and how immersive this world is. It was really cool for me when Arya charged up to the hound and asked him “Do you remember the last time you were here?” And it brought back season 1 ep.2, as I realized, oh that’s the place where he killed the butcher boy and where Lady was killed. Looks so different from how I remembered it.

  • jkd:
    The song was perfect. It was Tarantino. Same vibe as the ear-cutting scene in Reservoir Dogs. Black comedy. Lighten up, people.

    That ear cutting scene was masterful, in context of a Tarentino film.
    When cut and pasted in the middle of the movie ‘Titanic’ its jarring and makes no sense.
    I’m sure every director watches Tarentino and thinks “man, I want to make shit like that.” But after 23 hours of a certain feel of a show, “going Tarentino” in your debut may feel a bit out of place.

  • Also, not to be that guy, but I’m getting a feeling from the council meeting and the preview for next week that the possibility of a certain wedding being this season is seeming more likely than I thought before (for the record I come down squarely on the “I don’t care which season its in” side of the argument).

  • Terror-Filled Knight:
    Also, not to be that guy, but I’m getting a feeling from the council meeting and the preview for next week that the possibility of a certain wedding being this season is seeming more likely than I thought before (for the record I come down squarely on the “I don’t care which season its in” side of the argument).

    I thought they were talking about the Tyrion/Sansa wedding, not the purple

  • Steel_Wind:
    The music was FAR too jarring. It took you out of what should have been an OMFG moment and following a shot of a stump and screams — it went instead to INSTANT CAMP.

    Campy is fine for True Blood, but bad for GoT. Bad call on that one.

    Otherwise, while I enjoyed the rest of the episode (and loved the Podrick scene) the brevity of the episode was a little off-putting.

    Interesting that you use the word camp. Camp is deliberate, while kitsch is naive, but otherwise the two words mean the same thing. Camp means shockingly over the top; camp means extravagant and theatrical. Camp also implies you appreciate what you see because of the humour, at least in the original evolution of the word “camp”, so but using it you’re saying you liked it. :-)

    If you think about it, nearly all the scenes added over the top campiness to the episode, and I believe it was quite deliberate. THE BEAR AND THE MAIDEN FAIR is the most campy song we know from Westeros. The poorly-shaped wolf bread was ridiculous but touching. The Pod scene in the brothel unfolded like a circus act, with Tyrion as the ringmaster and a contortionist thrown in to really bring it over the top. Kraznys insults grew more and more over the top, and the scene culminates with the extravagant sale of a DRAGON for far less than its worth. Craster has his laugh at Ser Piggy’s expense, and poor Sam ends the scene confronted with the ridiculous notion that he’s going to have to stand against bullies to save a child from 8000 year old evil ice demons. And lastly Jaime self assurance comes to a shocking, extravagant, theatrical end. Camp is woven throughout the episode, deliberately, but in an episode with many dark and disturbing things in it.

    D&D know exactly what they’re doing.

  • WildSeed: Over at the Frostfangs, or just beyond the Fist of Men, I was surprised to
    learn of an early Wall climb by Tormund , albeit hinted at from previews.
    I guess Jon skips hiking to the Gift, and no earlier attempts then to
    prove himself as a convincible spy for the Night’s watch. Gone too is any
    interaction with Summer.

    Bran’s Direwolf Summer? That happens south of the wall.

    From ASoIaF Wiki:

    South of the Wall, at Queenscrown, Styr’s band comes upon a lone knight, whom they capture. Styr, still suspicious of Jon’s true loyalties, orders Jon to slay the man. Jon refuses, and Ygritte slits the man’s throat instead. In the confusion created by a raging thunderstorm and the sudden emergence of Summer, Bran Stark’s direwolf, Jon escapes, despite Ygritte shooting him in the leg with an arrow as he starts to run.
    Ygritte continues to Castle Black with Styr’s band, but Jon has forewarned the castle of their arrival and the attack is thwarted. Along with the rest of the wildling band, Ygritte is killed, mortally wounded by an arrow. Jon finds her on the battlefield, where she dies in his arms.

  • Best episode of the season yet! The end credits were a bit strange but still an awesome episode!

  • Well, first impression… one of the best episodes of the SERIES.

    But also really dark and disturbing. Brienne, Jaime, and especially Theon. It was actually hard to watch at times.

    Lots of scenes/dialogue straight out of the books, and even the new scenes (Pod, LOL!) were pretty good.

    9.5/10.

  • Hexonx: While maybe not a cheering moment it certainly isn’t a somber moment (at least not for the unsullied).It was his hand not his head.No need for somber music like when Ned or Ser Rodrick were beheaded.Besides, we know he becomes a better person b/c of this so it really is something to celebrate then, right?

    Truth

  • taim,

    There is a serious lack of Jon and Ygitte bonding this season. They have theirsex scene in 2 episodes and it is going to come of nowhere because there hasn’t been a hint of romance between them this season. Instead of that Shae and Tyrion scene last week they should of had a Jon and Ygritte scene that showed some romance blooming between them.

  • First Timer. What us readers don’t understand is that Jaime hasn’t redeemed himself yet in the show. He is hated by many. The SONG was supposed to be a “ha ha, that is what you get for being chivalrous, you child crippler”. From here he can start to redeem himself. We all have read the books and think of Jaime as already redeemed. Thus when he loses a hand and joyous music plays, we are confused and upset.

  • Kianu Reeves:
    LordDavos12,

    Is it? I thought Tyrion said “Royal Wedding”. Plus shouldn’t he have no knowledge of this yet?

    Ah, touche…I must have missed that he said that. Good catch, if so! I need to rewatch!

  • Violentos,

    Dany’s “Dracarys!” scene will come, but it needs to be set up and was never going to happen in the first few episodes of the season. The episode summary for Episode 3×04 hints at it with this line “Daenerys exchanges a chain for a whip”. So next week.

    My guess is the Sam the Slayer scene is being delayed until after Gilly had her baby boy. Sam can now rescue the baby from a White Walker after Craster hands it off or of course he could kill the WW as he and Gilly run away from the carnage when Mormont is killed.

  • The DarkStar: That ear cutting scene was masterful, in context of a Tarentino film.
    When cut and pasted in the middle of the movie ‘Titanic’ its jarring and makes no sense.
    I’m sure every director watches Tarentino and thinks “man, I want to make shit like that.” But after 23 hours of a certain feel of a show, “going Tarentino” in your debut may feel a bit out of place.

    To be fair, the song isn’t in the “middle” of anything but the end credits.

    I think it was an odd choice to deliberately use an anachronistic version of the song in the end credits, but I don’t think the tone of the song itself is such a big deal. This episode was perhaps not the most symbolic time to use it, but the symbolism is pretty heavily tied into Jaime and Brienne’s relationship, and this is the episode where they begin to develop a mutual understanding.

  • I think the music over credits thing will be appreciated in time, just needs some time to… breathe :)

  • Deekan,

    That is the way I looked at the song and I have read the books and actually like Jamie. But I can tell you from watching the show with many people who have not read the books they have hated him from the moment he pushed Bran out that window. I don’t think any of them fell bad for him and I don’t know if the show can change that opinion like the books did for me.

  • The song was definitely jarring, but I suppose that was the point. To non-book readers, Jaime losing his hand just came completely out of left field. One second he looks like he’s getting off with a warning, and the next he’s screaming bloody murder while staring aghast at his own hand removed from the rest of his body. Cut to black, crazy punk rock music, WTF-ness abounds. I get it, even though I could have done without it.

    Still, it’s just the end credits. The rest of the episode was superb.

  • i had never heard the credit song before, and dont know punk whatever. lol. as a very senior citizen who loved the books i took the song as one the minstrel would sing as he was always making up songs. and bawdy was the theme of his songs in the book. so i just laughed. and enjoyed a great show.

  • I laugh how these tv show fundamentalists defend that terrible end credits music. D&D can fling poo at the camera and you people will still find a way to defend them. As others already mentioned that music reminds me of True Blood. It’s not surprising, seeing as GoT and TB have more in common. Both series were faithful to the books in season 1 then afterwards it turned into trash as the show runners got ignorant and spit on the source material.

    The Good:
    – Jaime getting his hand cut off. Too bad, the terrible duo, D&D have made it into a comedy with that credit music. What’s next D&D have Katy Perry played at the end of RW episode?
    – The opening credits… err, and that’s it.

    The Bad:
    – Everything else, especially Talisa, Ros and scene with Pod and the whores, I suppose HBO is going to be HBO. Yes, we know you can show boobies, D&D. How about show some substance instead of pandering to horny teenage boys.

    SoS1989:
    Am I the only one who thought the episode was horrible?

    That’s my feeling for every episode after season 1.

    Oh crap, people here are going to shout me down, because my opinion is in the minority. Okay, I’m ready for my beating…

  • Darquemode:
    Violentos,
    My guess is the Sam the Slayer scene is being delayed until after Gilly had her baby boy. Sam can now rescue the baby from a White Walker after Craster hands it off or of course he could kill the WW as he and Gilly run away from the carnage when Mormont is killed.

    Nice thinking! Would be a good change IMO.

    Loved the episode. Lot’s of good stuff happening all round, could have done with less Tyrion though. The ending scene was top notch but add me to the list of people who thought the credits song was out of place.

  • The Purist:
    I laugh how these tv show fundamentalists defend that terrible end credits music. D&D can fling poo at the camera and you people will still find a way to defend them. As others already mentionedthat music reminds me of True Blood. It’s not surprising, seeing as GoT and TB have more in common. Both series were faithful to the books in season 1 then afterwards it turned into trash as the show runners got ignorant and spit on the source material.

    The Good:
    – Jaime getting his hand cut off. Too bad, the terrible duo, D&D have made it into a comedy with that credit music. What’s next D&D have Katy Perry played at the end of RW episode?
    – The opening credits… err, and that’s it.

    The Bad:
    – Everything else, especially Talisa, Ros and scene with Pod and the whores, I suppose HBO is going to be HBO. Yes, we know you can show boobies, D&D. How about show some substance instead of pandering to horny teenage boys.

    That’s my feeling for every episode after season 1.

    Oh crap, people here are going to shout me down, because my opinion is in the minority. Okay, I’m ready for my beating…

    No one likes beating a masochist.

  • My loves:
    * The Game of Thrones — the chairs at the Small Council. Oh, oh my did that make me just cackle.
    * Everything Dany tonight — you can tell D&D are in love with Dany too. And Emilia Clarke was -outstanding- tonight. Everyone involved with those scenes was just so killer. And the scenery was so epic. But it’s absolutely clear who their favorite characters are.
    * The ending. The heartwrenching, amazing ending. That first shift of Jaime protecting Brienne… and then that end. So beautifully done, so intense.

    Notables:
    * The Tullys were amazing.
    * Everything about the Arya scene, amazing. (Anguy/Hound, Arya and Hot Pie saying good bye, Gendry being all awkward.)
    * Theon’s stuff… amazing. (That scenery was intensely awesome).
    * Mance <3 (And creepy horse spiral? Creeeeepy)
    * Robb being Angry Robb with Edmure, Amazing.
    * I liked the scenes at Craster's. He's such a great douchebag. And Sam is so freaking adorable, it's painful. Poor guy.
    * BOY. Freaking bastard BOY

    The Controversies
    * The punk rock song at the end made me distinctly uncomfortable. Since it was supposed to, I dig it. I probably won't watch the end credits again, but it did it's job.

    * RE: Podrick. Someone else said it perfectly on here before me. Tyrion set up the whole thing, to make it look like it wasn't set up, and to make a young man's first time mind-blowing and unforgettable? That was a better way of showing thanks than pretty much anything he could do, given his now-limited duties. (I wish I could find the original post in this comment threads.)

  • I have the feeling their is dissonance about the credit music because for some reasons, for some people “maybe on HBO Go” the music began BEFORE the hand was chopped off.
    Like you couldn’t hear the scream or anything.
    For others it started after the blackout. WEIRD.

  • “I’ll never see them again” Cat
    “There’s nothing to fear” Talisa to Lannister boys
    “Once they’re yours, they’re yours.” Missandei
    “You little bastard!” Unnamed henchman
    “Iron Bank always gets their gold.” Tyrion

    Bookreader foreshadowing frissons

  • Loved the episode. Thought the Pod stuff was fantastic, went back to watch the Tyrion and Bronn reactions multiple times before moving on. Loved the hand chopping and the song at the end.

  • Jenny,

    I watched both, it was definitely better when it happened before the blackout. Still didn’t really have a problem with it in regular version though.

  • Oh crap, people here are going to shout me down, because my opinion is in the minority. Okay, I’m ready for my beating…

    Isn’t the obvious solution to just not watch the show?

    The biggest problem for the TV show is that Martin, while tremendously creative, is not really a good writer. His technical skills are unquestionably poor and he is becoming increasingly unfocused as a storyteller. I understand why people are drawn into the universe itself, which is brilliant, but there is a reason why Martin spent much of his career doing scripts.

    Given that handicap, D&D are responsible for a very impressive accomplishment. Season 3 is great so far and only figures to become more engaging.

  • Sucks how people complain about there not being enough episodes to include personal scene favourites, and then when the third book is split in two seasons to leave room for these scenes, people start complaining about the show being too slow. :/ I loved every episode this season so far, obv some changes I’m a bit icky with, but the fact that so many scenes and lines I’ve played out in my mind for so long are actually happening on screen is a big wow to me.

    And Brutus! Edmure seems to be portrayed as more foolish than he was in the books… but whatever.

    Arya and Hot Pie scene was so sad… I wish they spent more time with her. She’s my favourite character.

    MY FAVOURITE SCENE OF THE ENTIRE SHOW (k probably not actually) The non-dialogue small council scene was actually superb. I loved the facial expressions of everyone, the body language, and Tyrion’s “fuck you all” attitude as he drags the chair. Just amazing.

    Not really a fan of the end credit music either, but to be honest, the entire episode was just so good I really couldn’t care less.

    Gary Lightbody!

    “Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought nobly. And Rhaegar died.”

    That’s it :) Sorry for the spam

  • Rose:
    Oh my god.

    Yeah, I watched the pirated copy, and I have to say — jesus fucking christ, when that song started playing over the Jaime loses his hand scene I laughed SO HARD and my stomach still hurts. That is the best thing that ever has happened in my life. I cannot get over how funny that was.

    All y’all complaining need to be quiet because those of us who watched the pirated versions got a treat there. God, the look on Jaime’s face with that music playing as he saw his stump is so funny I start laughing again whenever I think about it.

    I hope it was done on purpose by the encoders as a masterful troll because it’s fucking beautiful.

    A++++

    LoL! yeah the music was a bit off (about 28 secs early) but thank you for having a sense of humor about it…at first I was like wtf? But it’s all good (just got a better hd copy) And for all you haters, saying its pirate karma, blah blah blah…we know the game, and we aint scared to play it! Sometimes you crap out, but ain’t because of “karma”…it’s just those damn fucking BLOODY PIRATES! :D

  • I guess I simply do not get any of the drama over the punk version of Bear and the Maiden Fair in the credits. Not whatsoever.

    Firs off let me say I did not like the version at all. I like some punk, but that version did nothing for me. Honestly I’m not sure the rhythm and structure of the song lend itself to a neo-punk rendition. Now if The Pogues d done it…..

    Second, it had absolutely no affect on me whatsoever since the episode was in fact over before the music began. They could have played Donnie Osmond singing Puppy Love and it would not have bothered me since it is the credits.

    Lastly, didn’t we already know the song would be in the episode and then a punk version would play in the credits? Call me unsurprised that it happened the way we were told it would happen! XD

  • The song at the end was very strange for me when I first watched it but on my second viewing I thought it really suited the scene and the episode. I agree with winter that it will probably grow on people. I like that they aren’t afraid to make bold choices!

  • JustinB:
    Deekan,

    That is the way I looked at the song and I have read the books and actually like Jamie. But I can tell you from watching the show with many people who have not read the books they have hated him from the moment he pushed Bran out that window. I don’t think any of them fell bad for him and I don’t know if the show can change that opinion like the books did for me.

    Jaime has been presented in a very good light. I was talking to my dad about this episode and he was upset Jaime lost his hand. I told him Jaime kind of got what he deserved. He asked why. I reminded him about him pushing Bran. He was like, yeah I guess, but I still like him. The show has presented Jaime in as good a light as it is able to, and the men who have captured Jaime and Brienne are worse.

    It’s not like Theon where my mom was screaming at the TV that he is not dead yet :P

  • That was pretty damn good. I loved the way they played us, using humor to kind of soften us up for the big thing.

  • Yolo: Isn’t the obvious solution to just not watch the show?

    The biggest problem for the TV show is that Martin, while tremendously creative, is not really a good writer. His technical skills are unquestionably poor and he is becoming increasingly unfocused as a storyteller. I understand why people are drawn into the universe itself, which is brilliant, but there is a reason why Martin spent much of his career doing scripts.

    Given that handicap, D&D are responsible for a very impressive accomplishment. Season 3 is great so far and only figures to become more engaging.

    Yeah, I’m sure that’s why ASoIaF is one of the most successful fantasy series of all time. And I’m sure that’s why HBO decided to make a show based on this “ehh it’s not too well written” series.

  • FanTASTic episode, my favorite so far this season. Particularly thrilled to see Theon’s storyline advancing so quickly. Ian Rheon is doing such a good job of playing the benevolent stranger, but I hope he saved his best performance for later. Loved the way everything played out. Punk rock version of Bear and the Maiden Fair was definitely jarring; I can see what they meant to do with it, paralleling the shock of the hand scene, but it came off as way too Hollywood for a show that has had nothing but a medievalist (or close-to) soundtrack thus far. Even still, didn’t bother me THAT much, as I was still buzzing about getting to see him lose the hand. In terms of Pod, I actually thought they were leading into a subplot in which the whore’s had been paid by someone else, and that Tyrion would follow to see who had paid them and stumble upon something else. Have to say, Aiden Gillen’s Baelish is reeeeally disappointing me this year. His sarcastic smirk was so good in the first two seasons but here it seems…I dunno what. Anyways, great episode.

  • I think there must have been a problem with downloading the episode rather than watching it on TV. I watched on TV here in Oz, and it showed perfectly – handchop and Jaime’s scream, an instant of blackness, and then the end credits with the music. I didn’t have any problem with the rock version because I think it was intentionally dissonant, and intended to contrast with the normal version of the song we heard earlier at the start of the first J/B scene. Indeed, I think that if they’d only played the normal theme music, it would have taken away some of the impact of what we’d seen with both Theon and Jaime. So they either went with total silence, or something completely different and jarring.

  • Clob: How can you honestly think that was the worst episode ever?!

    Some ppl have awful opinions ;). This episode was great and very funny

  • kittie,

    Not trying to be a dick, but it’s been 20+ episodes…if you haven’t been convinced yet, what’s the point?

  • Hahaha loved the ending credit music so inappropriate yet so GOT. But i do love some musical whiplash in TV.

  • My favorite moment of the episode was when Daenerys made the deal to sell Drogon to Kraznys mo Nakloz. The reaction from Ser Jorah and Ser Barristan was priceless, knowing what Daenerys has planned.

    That scene with Tyrion dragging the chair at the Small Council was fantastic. You even see a smile on Varys face.

  • Haven’t read the books, so I didn’t know Jaime’s hand was going to be chopped off. Yikes. Seemed like random violence to me, echoing Ser Jorah’s assertion about what happens to a man when you put a sword in his hand, i.e. war turns good men into mindless monsters who will rape and butcher just because they can. Hence, the “eff U” punk music at the end is IMHO entirely in keeping with the jarring callousness of the act.

    If you were more upset about the choice of music than the fact that a human being just got maimed, what does that say about you?

    The other controversy in this thread relates to Pod. Is he gay? There’s no reason to assume that. Is he a sex god? Hardly. Ros didn’t look at Pod the way she did because he’s so handsome. I reckon she did it because she’s working for Varys now. With LF leaving KL and Tyrion no longer a customer, it’s possible she’s setting up Pod to become an informer. Men talk when they’re happy. She’s a drug dealer and her drug is sex: first one was a freebie, next one is going to cost inside info.

  • Loved this episode.

    I agree with most – the song was a little too jarring and wild after the brilliant cool and moody scene with Jamie. Might have made more sense to finish the episode where Brienne fights the bear in the pit. I know the song will be in that episode; it just didn’t seem to fit all that well with this one. (?)

    I’m still really missing Sam the Slayer. I think I know a way they could still fit it in there… When Sam is on the run from Craster’s Keep with Gilly he could save her from a White Walker. She fears them because she feared having a son and knowing what that meant. She would appreciate Sam that much more considering their *ahem* friendship later. Perhaps Grenn would even be there too to witness the kill. I really don’t see why they wouldn’t do the Sam the Slayer scene… they found the dragonlass on the Fist so why the hell not? This possibility keeps me consolled at the moment.

    I CAN’T FUCKING WAIT for next week. One of my all time favorite ASoIF scenes. I’m sure some of the non book readers shat themselves when she offered Drogon; I’m looking forward to this weeks Twitter post! :D

  • I think this is the best episode of the season yet, with only two scenes I didn’t care for: Pod brothel scene (seriously, all brothel scenes are so awful in this show, and this one was pure filler) and Stannis being out of character (I didn’t mind the scene itself but I didn’t like how they changed Stannis’s personality).

    The rest was solid, and often great*. But that said, the credits song… OMG. Can’t believe anyone would defend such tripe. Then again, if they played a pop punk song after Baelor, people would probably find a way to defend that too. One of the most serious and dramatic scenes of the series, turned into a joke, using the stupidest justification ever (“a comedy movie did it too LOL”? are you kidding me?). Bah.

    * Notice how coincidentally, this was also one of the most faithful episodes yet? Stick to the source material, guys, and you make better episodes. Funny how it works… xD

  • saluk,

    I applaud your daringness!
    I have open parents and all, but watching Game of Thrones with them is beyond my comfort level! XD

  • I loved this episode – great introduction of Tullys, the emotional Hot Pie farewell scene, Theon and “the Boy”, Jaime and a band of psychos. In short – everything. Episodes like this remind me that now I’m much more of a TV show fan than a book fan.

    And the brothel scene was just D&D trolling everyone for the nudity “controversies”. Also, I laughed hard at the Meereenese Knot joke.

  • First time poster, but love all the comments here.

    I too hated the ending music, but after thinking about it for a while I believe it was appropriate. The thing to remember is that at this point in the story GoT book readers are fully aware of where Jaime Lannister’s character arc is headed, and that has a huge effect on our reaction to his maiming. To many of us this barbaric act was a violation on par with Bran being thrown from the tower at the end of the first episode. But for those who haven’t read the books (which is probably around 90% of viewers) what happened to the Kingslayer was pure justice and a long time coming at that. Given that point of view the Hold Steady track fit right in to that mood.

  • Mind you, I did not like that they used a modern sounding song at the end.

    HOWEVER, some of you seem to not get what it was… it was a cover of the song the Bolton men were singing earlier in the episode.

    ALSO, I realize some of you downloaded the episode illegally… as someone has revealed to me that the version floating around right now has the song start a minute too early leaving some people very confused.

    So, if you are freaking out about the song playing in the middle of the hand-chopping scene… you’ve outed yourself as a filthy stinkin’ pirate! ;)

  • The Greatjon: No one likes beating a masochist.

    Come on, I would let you personally twist my nipples. :)

    Yolo: Isn’t the obvious solution to just not watch the show?

    The biggest problem for the TV show is that Martin, while tremendously creative, is not really a good writer. His technical skills are unquestionably poor and he is becoming increasingly unfocused as a storyteller. I understand why people are drawn into the universe itself, which is brilliant, but there is a reason why Martin spent much of his career doing scripts.

    Given that handicap, D&D are responsible for a very impressive accomplishment. Season 3 is great so far and only figures to become more engaging.

    Nah, I’ll stick with the show for a while, since GRRM writes some of the episodes and besides, I love that my criticism gets some GoT fanboys get their panties in a bunch.

    Well, that’s your opinion that GRRM is not a good writer, but I believe his achievements trumps those of D&D. Since only thing those two were known for before GoT is one of them wrote the scripts for the pile of crap that were Troy and X-Men Origin: Wolverine. The dynamic duo should be proud to adapt GRRM’s book, but after season 1 all the praise got to their heads and claiming ownership by diverting away from the books.

  • GeekFurious:
    Mind you, I did not like that they used a modern sounding song at the end.

    HOWEVER, some of you seem to not get what it was… it was a cover of the song the Bolton men were singing earlier in the episode.

    ALSO, I realize some of you downloaded the episode illegally… as someone has revealed to me that the version floating around right now has the song start a minute too early leaving some people very confused.

    So, if you are freaking out about the song playing in the middle of the hand-chopping scene… you’ve outed yourself as a filthy stinkin’ pirate! ;)

    I was about to post the same thought. I just finished watching the episode and I did not see the ending song as out of place. The punk rock-ish feel of the ending song is a good extension of what Locke is saying that… Jaime got used to getting out of situations because he always name drops “his father” and Lannister gold… essentially saying well, this time, your father and your gold can’t save you.
    I think bookreaders are already extrapolating and wants to fast forward to the ramification of this loss of hand to Jaime’s story arc and wanted a bit of reflective somber music. I think somber music will be too soon

  • Holy shit, people really do have HORRIBLE taste. The use of that song at the end was genius. Thank god no one on here is a film/television director, having “dramatic music” at the end would have been sooooo god damn cheesy. It’s Jaime Lannister the cocky douchebag getting his hand cut off, not Bran stark falling out of a widow. The music reminded us of that irony and also that this show isn’t up it’s own ass.

  • Reading through these comments, I have to admit that I don’t hate the ending as much as I should.

    The thing is this: if they just faded to the credits and had Jaime screaming or some sombre tune, that would be EXACTLY what we expected. Yes, people like things to behave as they expect, but this was different, jarring, disturbing, somewhat darkly humorous. It’s a daring choice and it worked quite well in my opinion, and it mixed things up a bit.

  • Loved the episode. Best one this season and the next should be better. Now it feels like things started, no more exposition, no more introductions and more Dany. The Theon part is going to be awesome. more interesting than the books. We know that boy is Snow, right?. And did I mention Dany? So glad to see her and Barristan and Jorah interacting. And the Jaime ending…awesome. the only bad thing about the episode was the song at the end…comparing it to Rains of Castamere…it is awful; i liked the in-movie version that they sing on their walk in the woods, but the studio version sucks. Looking forward for the next episode that should be epic.

  • Okay, I haven’t read all comments, so excuse if this has been said. But I think the end was perfect. This is exactly the quite horrible mess – projected onto Westeros – that can happen in a Hold Steady song. I’m not saying the band writes cruel songs, but people do regularly get into big messes in their songs and don’t come out undamaged. The point is to make the best of it. It’s a struggle, and I’m sure Jaime will be okay. Missing something, but okay.

  • I’m at work, haven’t had time to check all the comments so apologies if it’s already been said.
    Nobody thinks that the Podrik plotline is something more than a joke ?
    Something like LF instructing his whores to try to get info/leverage on Tyrion by manipulating an eager Podrick with his new-found interest in sexuality (evidenced by the way LF catch onto Pod’s way of looking into Ros’s cleavage).
    It could even be the turning point for Ros where she’ll have to choose her alliegance between LF and Varys while the former is away (given that she may be hesitant to spy on Tyrion after he got her out of trouble when it would have been LF job).

  • Jaqen is Q:
    Clambake,

    Get off our site.

    No, I think I’ll stay. If I want to trash this show that’s so far become mediocre I will. If I want to praise it for the things I like I will. All I’m saying is that is I feel there is A LOT wrong with it. I’m sorry that GoT the show doesn’t rule my life. The books did. But the books were unbelievably exceptional so they earned that right. Plus whoever heard of a book adaptation done before the books were even completed? Shameless cash grabbing whores.

  • Clambake: No, I think I’ll stay. If I want to trash this show that’s so far become mediocre I will. If I want to praise it for the things I like I will. All I’m saying is that is I feel there is A LOT wrong with it. I’m sorry that GoT the show doesn’t rule my life. The books did. But the books were unbelievably exceptional so they earned that right. Plus whoever heard of a book adaptation done before the books were even completed? Shameless cash grabbing whores.

    Blame GRRM for not writing the books, not D&D for wanting to adapt the story they like or HBO for wanting to continue making fucktons of money off the show. And if TWOW and the one that’s supposed to come after that, sometime in the next decade, will be like AFFC and ADWD, I’d much rather see the end of this story on TV.

  • The credits were a bit WTF but I was still in shock with Jamie I knew it was gonna happen but holy crap I honestly thought it wasn’t gonna happen that doesn’t make sense but it was just ‘WHACK’ and it’s gone I wanted to cry :(

  • I like The Hold Steady, but man, that did not fit Game of Thrones (let alone this episode) at all. Unlike The National’s Rains of Castamere after Blackwater. That was phenomenal.

  • Seriously? People are complaining about an end credit music now?

    If you don’t like it, all you have to do is stopping the episode just after Jaime’s scream…

  • zod:
    Seriously? People are complaining about a end credit music now?

    If you don’t like it, all you have to do is stopping the episode just after Jaime’s scream…

    What a silly argument. If I had known a completely unfitting song that would pull me out of the GoT world was coming, yes, I would’ve stopped it right after the scream. But I didn’t, now, did I?

    Seriously? People are complaining about people complaining about the credits song now?

  • magnuskn: Well, that saves me from pointing out the same. Excellent analysis.

    Actually, Vargo Hoat (in the books) had a reason for chopping off Jaime’s hand. Quoted from ASOS Roose Bolton says “By maiming you, he meant to remove your sword as a threat, gain himself a grisly token to send to your father, and diminish your value to me. For he is my man, as I am King Robb’s man. Thus his crime is mine, or may seem so in your father’s eyes.” That’s just one paragraph of about two pages that explain more of his reason to maim Jaime.

  • confused_hodor,

    You definitely had a technical issue.
    Chop. Jaime screams as it cuts to black. His scream carries on then the song kicks in when the screen is black.

  • Alex Dubrovsky,

    I see your point. But I’ll never blame George for anything but writing the greatest fantasy story ever. But I will blame HBO and crew for making the show before book seven. And for putting House sigils and everything else on every little piece of shit they can think of then charging an arm and a leg for it. It’s just obscene.

  • I am really impressed with how well the show’s creators have hidden who this boy is, the fact that Bolton may have already switched sides and what this will all mean for Robb. I hope they can continue to do this until the Red Wedding

    Additionally the removal of both Jaime’s and Brienne’s illusions around war was very well done.

  • Clambake,

    Its not D&D’s fault that George wont hurry up and finish the damn things. What other book franchise has been around for getting on for twenty years and still has 2 books to come out??

    HBO’s adaption is fantastic. They’ve slipped up a couple of times but most of the time it is spot-on. I’m sorry you can’t see that.

  • Thomas,

    So what? You can’t rewatch that scene? It’s ruined forever for you because of a song you didn’t like playing in the end credit? Come on..

    This was once again a great episode, with a lot of great scenes in it.. and still the majority of commenters here are just complaining about a song that wasn’t even in the episode..

    And it’s getting even more ridiculous when you realize that half of the complainers are actually pirates who happened to watch a bad copy of the episode..

  • LordDavos12: rukie44, I agree…very jarring after that last scene. On it’s own, I’d probably really enjoy it though.

    I just HATE that some of the creators of the show feel compelled to justify their own hate for certain characters. This song at the end, just after the “hand issue” is not only out of place but it’s a mockery for Jaime Lannister, one of the “bad” guys. It’s like they’re saying to us: “See everyone?! He got what he DESERVED. We’re all happy now, boys and girls! Let’s party!!”. Come on, where’s all the empathy…?

    Why Starks get all the true drama and the genuine pity from the writers? Why did they have to make less grey the magnificent characters we all know? This infantile simplification is erasing the greatness of the books and I don’t think it’s doing a big favour to the show.

    The episode was superb and I really liked the Bear and Maiden Fair song, but I guess everything can’t be suited for all tastes. Nevertheless, this black and white effect in the show it’s getting annoying. :(

  • […] time, by the way. If I were any character in Game of Thrones, that is me all over). And despite what they think over at Winter Is Coming, I loved the scene with Pod, Bronn and Tyrion. Boy’s got game, son! If you can’t step […]

  • if you’re downloading from torrents make sure you get the release marked PROPER, the original goes out of sync at the end and totally ruins the ending (and please no anti-piracy nonsense, i do have HBO but GoT is 1 week late over here).

  • Did anyone notice that Arya bit off the head of her Direwolf Bread first? Now that’s foreshadowing. ;)

  • Loved –
    Small Council fun with chairs
    WW Performance Art
    Mereneese Knot
    Missandei realizing Dany understands Valyrian
    Jorah/Selmy testoterone fight building
    Arya getting up in the Hound’s face, do you know where we are?
    Ramsay cat and mouse with Theon

    I do suspect Tyrion paid off the girls and the added money was to boost Pod’s confidence
    I do think they are setting it up for Sam to save Gilly’s baby and become Sam the Slayer
    I do think the song paid off nice in the WTF just happened did I see that right?? sort of way

  • Phil:
    Holy shit, people really do have HORRIBLE taste. The use of that song at the end was genius. Thank god no one on here is a film/television director, having “dramatic music” at the end would have been sooooo god damn cheesy. It’s Jaime Lannister the cocky douchebag getting his hand cut off, not Bran stark falling out of a widow. The music reminded us of that irony and also that this show isn’t up it’s own ass.

    Pretending that dramatic music at the end, or anything other than the music used, would somehow have been cheesy deflates your argument. Please don’t resort to hyperbole in an attempt to leverage your counterpoint. It just comes off as silly.

  • Clambake: No, I think I’ll stay. If I want to trash this show that’s so far become mediocre I will. If I want to praise it for the things I like I will. All I’m saying is that is I feel there is A LOT wrong with it. I’m sorry that GoT the show doesn’t rule my life. The books did. But the books were unbelievably exceptional so they earned that right. Plus whoever heard of a book adaptation done before the books were even completed? Shameless cash grabbing whores.

    Extremists are rarely worth hearing.

  • I think this is why we need a separate forum for episode discussion on this board. My opinions on this episode aside, I believe the cover of the Bear and the Maiden Fair regardless if one saw the pirated version or the legal version has come to embody for many disgruntled book reader fans what they hate about this adaptation. To a paraphrase Ser Jorah: there is a Purist in every book fan and it stirs when someone puts anachronisms in their hand. Or something of the like.

    Peace all.

  • I thought the entire first Riverrunn sequence was crafted superbly. In just a few short moments, we get introductions, background, conflict, and complete integration of new story threads. Bravo. Well done.

  • Rinoa L. Trancy,

    I don’t think that the use of the song means that D&D HATE Jaime Lannister at all. Everyone I was watching with (non-book readers) felt bad for him when it happened, mostly because he just saved Brienne from getting raped. They also felt good about it, because Jaime’s has been a royal douche up to this point. That’s what this show is about! Feeling conflicted about whether characters are good or bad, when in fact they are neither, just real people, and I think D&D are keeping up the spirit of feeling conflicted about characters. Yeah, most people feel that Jaime deserved it considering he crippled a 10-year-old boy, but that’s because they don’t know what happens next.

  • Trapstar:
    Am I the only one who liked the use of the song? I think the fact that it was so out of place actually added to the “holy ****” feeling that most people were probably feeling after the hand.

    This.

    Finally, someone who sees more than meets the eye. I swear some people are sheep, just following the herd and not being able to process any thoughts themselves.

    These are the same people who believe whores do it for free now and a virgin can somehow become a sex god on his first go, in a brothel owned by Littlefinger no less. Does he offer it on the house now too? Pod saved Tyrion’s life, clearly Tyrion already paid the whores and it was all done for show as a confidence boost for the lad. Christ, people.

  • Clambake: Actually, Vargo Hoat (in the books) had a reason for chopping off Jaime’s hand. Quoted from ASOS Roose Bolton says “By maiming you, he meant to remove your sword as a threat, gain himself a grisly token to send to your father, and diminish your value to me. For he is my man, as I am King Robb’s man. Thus his crime is mine, or may seem so in your father’s eyes.” That’s just one paragraph of about two pages that explain more of his reason to maim Jaime.

    I don’t rightly remember the punk rock music accompanying the scene from the book, which is what Steve was talking about. The juxtaposition of Jaime getting his hand cut off with anti-establishment music is where him ( and others ) see the metaphor being spun for the TV show.

  • The Tyrion Podrick scene is great because Tyrion not only gives Podrick the feeling that he is a great lover but it is a test, too, to see if he Podrick gives back the money. Genius!

  • I liked the song! In fact, I think that they should use the same song over the credits for Episode 9. :)

  • Favorite scene:
    Hotpie: I’m no Stark of Winterhell.
    Arya: WinterFELL.
    Hotpie: *confused look* You sure?
    Arya: *little smile* I’m sure.

    Followed by the wolf-bread and Gendry’s awkward goodbye. All around brilliant and touching scene in my opinion. The rest of the episode was awesome as well, I even liked the Pod scenes, but I think the Hotpie goodbye was my favorite.

  • I don’t get this anti-establishment thing people keep talking about. The Hold Steady are FAR from anti-establishment, and so is most “punk rock” music these days.

  • I loved the ending. TBMF over the credits was superb. I think it had it’s intended effect, some apparently want a funeral dirge? Get over it dipshits. Great episode; although I was hoping to see Astapor burn, but that gives me something to look forward to.

  • That end credits song made a joke out of the episode. Maybe the whole show. WTF!? And man, those of you who liked the song that keep complaining about those of us who obviously just aren’t clever enough to get it are really getting on my nerves. Think of it like this: if they went with a traditional credits, we’d still have that great episode and those who liked the punk BS wouldn’t mind NOT having it, would you? And guess what, those who think the punk BS ruined the mood would be happy too. Better, no?

  • Starkbitch:
    I loved this episode. I thought the Podrick Payne sex god was hilarious even if it was unneeded. I thought the Talisa scene was a bit unnecessary.But when is Sam the Craven gonna turn into Sam the Slayer? That is an important character development.

    Talisa scene was very necessary.

  • I dont know how people are saying this is the worst episode ever. I thought it was amazing. Anyone who read the books should feel this way. The buildup for next couple of episodes is fuckin sick. Cant wait for the climb, theon’s fate, the twins, more of the wall, crasters party with the NW, dracarys, all that shit. This is shapin up to be best season yet. Not that it surprises me. Also, Locke, totally thought he was Steelshanks. And is he really one of Boltons men? Hmmm

  • It was rubbish, just like last episode. So this is the season they’ve been dying to get to, and they’ve wasted 3 episodes so far on a snoozefest. I didnt mind ep 1, ep2 I nearly fell asleep and this one wasn’t much better. Most of my non-reader friends are losing interest very quickly.

    Take the best book in the series, cut out all of the memorable scenes so far (River barge chase, white walker attack etc) throw in some rubbish fight choreography for the best duel in the books to date (j v B) and slow the pace down to a crawl = this season is sucking so far. It’s not like they have 20 eps , PICK IT UP GUYS !!!

  • Well – avantgarde stuff is rarely loved by the masses…But hey, then most people prefer Andrew Lloyd Weber to Beethoven.
    I loved the punk rock.

  • Trapstar:
    Am I the only one who liked the use of the song? I think the fact that it was so out of place actually added to the “holy ****” feeling that most people were probably feeling after the hand.

    Agree. I liked the use of the song as well.

    So many wonderful moments. I loved the good-bye with Hot Pie. I completely forgot that he stays behind at the inn when Arya leaves. I hope that we see him again (forgive me, book purists) because I think Ben Hawkey is very entertaining.

    The scene between Catelyn and the Blackfish was well-done. Love the casting of the Tully men. We have waited too long to meet them. The small council scene and the screeching chairs were hilarious. Good to see Varys again.

    Yes, I could have done without the “Pod in the brothel” scene but whatever. I ignore the awkward placement of boobs in this show.

    Nikolaj continues his superb portrayal of Jaime. He has every nuance down perfectly.

  • Joshua Taylor:
    I think this is why we need a separate forum for episode discussion on this board.My opinions on this episode aside, I believe the cover of the Bear and the Maiden Fair regardless if one saw the pirated version or the legal version has come to embody for many disgruntled book reader fans what they hate about this adaptation. To a paraphrase Ser Jorah: there is a Purist in every book fan and it stirs when someone puts anachronisms in their hand. Or something of the like.

    Peace all.

    Where is the anachronism in a Credit? The “Rains” was a Metal adaptation and nobody seemed to care.

  • BTW, kudos to Benioff for his first time in the director chair… I was a bit skeptical when I heard about it at first, but now I’m really impressed by the quality of his episode.

  • Jenny: Where is the anachronism in a Credit? The “Rains” was a Metal adaptation and nobody seemed to care.

    Because “The Rains of Castamere” didn’t sound like Metal.
    It was a single voice with original score in the background.
    The song could have perfectly been recorded in Westeros.

  • Jenny,

    As I said “or something of the like”. My point is that this end credits brouhaha is underscoring what many Purists (not the word I’m looking for) hate about the adaptation.

  • OMG. The morning after and they’re still sparring about the song.
    I’m going to read Hibberd and watch Larry (my Monday morning GoT season ritual).

    BTW, Hibberd starts off this way:

    That ending! The chopping. The butchery. The hand. The scream. That crazy song! It all happened so fast. So awful. You’re jarred and disorientated as the credits roll — and that’s exactly how you were supposed to feel.

  • We had worthless scene with Talisa and Pod. Other scenes were cut too short and there wasn’t enough time for any character at all. Also, what in seven Hells was that song in the credits? Totally out of place.

  • Arya4thewin,

    The river chase one of the best scene of the book? ouch that hurts, the scene doesn’t even make sense, how do you want to translate to screen a boat chase where someone on the slowest boat has the time to jump, climb a mountain/hill, push a huge rock in the water, dive back in, get up on the boat again, and all that before the faster boat has time to catch up or Jaime, time to escape ?
    There’s no way you can spot a faster boat behind you and have time to do all that.
    I’m glad we’re not watching the kind of adaptation you want, and i guess millions agree with me since this episode (departing from the books more than the previous two) is the best rated by the users (not the critic) of the season on nearly every recap/review.

    It was said before but i’ll add my voice to the choir, for a directing debut, Benioff did a really good job, i’m glad that my worries on that front were misplaced.

  • Seems like it was a pretty good episode, if the only thing people are complaining about are the end credits. Which I liked well enough, so there you go.

    Loved the episode and am looking forward to next week.

  • Was watching this episode online and when the song came on at the end I assumed that it was the uploader trolling…. After angrily closing the window and rewatching the episode, I realized that this was how it actually was, I was doubly pissed.

    Having said that, I thought this was a great episode with a variety of standout scenes. My personal favorite is definitely the musical chairs at the Small Council though: hilarious, but brilliantly evocative of Lannister cheek and entitlement.

  • Kalamies: We had worthless scene with Talisa

    You do realize that they’re setting up the Kastark’s “treason” with those kids, right?

  • I LIKED THE ENDING!

    I disagree with most of the posters here — the ending was harsh and jarring and Oh-my-God-ish, and so was the song.

    They blew their wad with “this is a shocking, sad, twist” with heavy music in Season 1 — and probably will again soon (!!! ;) — so kudos to them for trying another way to present this.

    I loved the whole episode, my only quibble being I would certainly have shaved some of Podrick’s time and given those minutes to some sibling chat between Edmure and Blackfish and Cat.

    Best moment — Tyrion awkwardly dragging the chair to the head of the table.

  • That was easily the best episode this season. It just flowed, unlike the last 2. I for one loved Pod the sex fiend, and that along with the slew of other human scenes made it all feel natural. Great writing and great acting!

    Plus they really stuck close to the books this episode, with the exception of Theon’s scene which is ok because it’s really well done. My wife keeps asking who that janitor is and I’m getting a kick out of not telling her!

  • I loved this episode. I really appreciated the funny moments, like the small council meeting.

    I thought the ending was perfect. The song was a perfect follow up to the last scene, and it probably worked as intended. People see an epic moment from the series and then get bombarded with an unexpected punk song. It basically pairs two WTF?!?! moments for a magnified effect.

    Michelle Fairley is definitely bringing her A game, this season.

    Also, the Ramsay switch flip is going to be soooooooo EPIC!

    Best show in TV history. Best fantasy series in book history.

    I was thinking about this last night. We’re already @ 23 hours or so in total run time for the series. That’s like almost 8 LOTR movies worth of screen time.

  • While I was happy with this episode for future set-up(s) the closing song I thought cheapen it somewhat

  • Woah, now things are starting to get interesting.

    I have to agree about Pod sexscene. Even though I think it was pretty clear and nice for Tyrion to pay for the boost of Pods selfconciousnes, I think it was too long. It was maybe worth it for the Meereenese knot joke that made me laugh aloud.

    Don’t know why people don’t like the ending. I think it was suberb. Watched it with a non-reader friend and she was first like “WTF!” when the chop chop happened and when when the music started I could see the bewilderment from her face. It really drove the scene into her. And it’s a awesome song too. Have been playing it few times today. I think readers expected too much from it because they knew it was coming and waited it. Now when it was made into a shockburst of quick ending and wild music it was too much for people to handle. I loved it and I think after some time when people have watched it again few times they will notice how good it actually is.

  • johnnytata,

    And the Tale of Pod “The Sex God” Payne doesn’t seem to end at the whores just liking him that much. There were some meaningful glances from Ros, and the whorehouse doubles as an intelligence agency. Let’s give that time before we say it was a ridiculous leap.

    D&D have said the show is optimally consumed in the binge format with episodes seen back-to-back, but people love to squeeze in their weekly wad of whining after each episode. This is why I find I’m less and less attracted to outside reaction to the episodes precisely because of these plentiful knee jerk reactions. Most of the show’s criticism is giving way to becoming book reader wishlisting and picking at scenes for which we’ve yet to see any meaningful follow through.

  • The ending song is perfectly placed! It takes all of the ‘stress’ from seeing the ending scene and focuses it in some brighter direction. Snap, just like that, the song takes your hand and pulls you towards light. PERFECTION

  • I bet D&D are laughing their asses off at the uproar a song in the credits has started. Talk about an over-reaction. You’d think people would be complaining about book changes, like usual.

    Keep up the good work, guys!

  • Peter,

    I’m loving that natural quality in this season. Even visually, it flows so mug better than previous seasons. Most of the bolder liberties they’ve taken are either expounding on things the book only touched on or referenced (Theon and Robb’s stories for instance) or cost-cutting measures, which are more than made up for considering how sumptuous the overall scene-setting is this season, a passive luxury some people seem to gloss over with their extraordinary expectations. The show as a whole is more immersive than ever, but the nitpickers find a way.

    As for myself, I’ve never been this engrossed in the show. More than ever, it just strikes me as A-list television, on a fundamental level. The show’s pacing, cinematography and the writing this year are just everything they could be.

  • I don’t know about this episode. I thought it was pretty good, but I have a few friends who are nonreaders and hey all thought this episode, as well as the last one, was bad. All of them still think that the first season was the best, so it makes me think that they cannot get their heads around the story after Ned died.
    I just think that in this season, the first three episodes have failed to properly set up the rest of the season. Last season, every story was properly explained. Now, everyone I know is confused. Whats happening with Jon? Where is Theon? What happened to Winterfell? Why do the Tyrells make so much difference in the war? etc.
    They should probably just read the books, but meh.

  • Man… I finished the episode thinking ‘best GoT ep ever after Blackwater!’ and there’s people whinging about the music in the credits? It totally fitted the mood. I found this episode really funny, disturbing, intriguing, intelligent and so red-blooded I felt like I was drinking it. Hats off to Benioff, or should I say ‘hands off’ lol

  • SoS1989,

    I was not particularly impressed. The problem this show has is that it has scenes that simply don’t matter – I’m thinking Pycelle in the season 1 finale, and the overlong brothel stuff in pretty much every season, but definitely last night. And it was a short episode, too.

    There’s plenty of material from the books that are good that could be put in, but the show meanders too much. It’s a good show, certainly, but not a great one. I don’t think it’ll ever be great, mostly because it seems to keen on being pervy at times rather than moving the story forward.

  • The Blackfish is damn awesome.

    Im still confused as to why Ramsay killed his men. If its just to fuck with Theon then he is really going all out.

  • Daniel,

    Hmmm. My non-reader friends are all loving every minute of it. Their only complaints are that the episodes are not long enough and they can’t wait for the next week. They also understand that these first couple episodes are setting up everything that will happen in the rest of the season. Just like in a book, the beginning of the season sets everything up for the crazy shit that’s going to happen later. I think if your friends hold tight, the pay-off will be HUGE.

  • Daniel,

    I have non-reader friends who love the show, but others who simply couldn’t get into it because of the storyline juggling and relative lack of action compared to other period/fantasy shows. Most of the non-reader friends who enjoy it either 1) really love or hate certain characters (ex: Tyrion, Dany, Joffrey) or 2) haven’t read ASOIAF but read plenty of books in general. My friends who can’t get into the show have limited patience for a show like GoT to start with.

    I think it really depends on the angle a person’s approaching the show from. Some people see it as a riveting period drama first, and the rest as unprecedented cherries on top. Other folks seem to stay for the action, and get disappointed more often than not when the show’s mostly a war of words. Others still expect the show to be ASOS scene-for-scene, except better-er. Easy to see where that’ll get them. [laughs]

  • ScoBe,

    Not moving the story forward? You realize this is an adaptation of ASoIaF, right? The story moves forward pretty slowly in the books too. e.g. Winter is coming… a few thousand pages from now…

    I think they are doing a great job of keeping the story moving forward, considering this… It is just the beginning of an epic season, remember!

  • Ghost,

    I think the Boy’s rescue of Theon is an awesomely veiled confirmation of his true passion: the thrill of the hunt. In killing Theon’s torturers, he was hunting the hunters. Theon was merely the bait. If we are talking about Ramsay here, which I’m sure we are, then we’re seeing him confirm his own monstrosity in his skillful ability to feign compassion and his startling commitment to setting up blood sport for his personal gratification.

  • Ghost,

    I’d say to take over the Bolton castle. To kill the men who aren’t loyal to him so he can do what he wants.

  • Ghost,

    Agreed with WompWomp. Ramsay loves the sport of it and anyone is fair game, including his own men. He’s a total psychopath and the writers are setting it up really well.

  • Poor Edmure.
    Robb isn’t in the position to tell anyone off after betraying the Freys with his marriage to Talisa. He should be teached a lesson! O wait!!

  • Mike,

    As people have posted from EW, D&D thought the song would somewhat mirror the effect of the scene while startling viewers in another way, a sensation which was supposed to complement the ending’s shock factor.

    I can understand the reasoning, but still found it disappointingly indulgent. Rather than having my shock followed up abruptly with another less welcome shock to my system (which, in the end, diminished the shock that actually mattered to me), I would have personally preferred to linger on the moment to the relative silence of the credits. The way they went with it, it felt like an overly hip punchline, or even outright musical trolling. This is just a personal metric, but I’m especially wary of the moment’s merit when an A.V. Club reviewer is totally in love with it.

    I’m curious how non-readers reacted to it, since I can count on the habitually critical book readers complaining about nearly anything, and this particular decision painted way too big a target for them.

  • Jenny,

    Yes! And considering that setup, I was pleased as a fan yet saddened as a person that they’d chosen such charming young actors to portray our fresh-faced POWs. Given the extra characterization of Robb we’re treated to in the show and the Karstark setup, our King in the North has an inarguably richer arc this season than he had in ASOS.

  • Spryte,

    I found it unexpectedly lovely. Boisterous and brash is more what I expected, but there was a wild touch of romance in that blessed rendition.

  • Wow, I knew that ending was coming, I still stared in shock at the screen for a few minutes. I guess when you read it on the page and seeing it happen directly in front of you is a big difference… Noah Taylor was absolutely brilliant.

  • WompWomp,

    I watched it with four non-book readers. The reactions to the song ranged from “this song is awesome” (1 guy) to not noticing the song being unusual or out of place at all (the other 3). People used to tunes being in credits and not even really noticing that kind of thing, I guess.

    One thing that kind of strikes me about comments here about how much the show “fucks up” (and yes, I know they’re just opinions, you’re allowed to have them, this is just mine too) is it seemingly ignores so many amazing things about the show that don’t get discussed in the wake of huge debate over singular issues. Things like, the amazing locations, the set designers, the atmosphere established and the beautiful acting within. Riverrun was glorious, they pulled off depicting it almost exactly as it was in my head. All the scenes of forests and hills were exceptional, I love how “green” this season is, in a way. On second or third viewings it’s hard not to gape at how much work is put into this by all involved, and how much depth there is in all the little things. I just wish there was more of a discussion going on around these things.

  • I don’t like how little screen-time Jon has been getting so far, that whole Pod ordeal this episode could have been replaced with an actually worthwhile scene setting up Jon & Ygritte’s romance arc this season
    And is it me or are they really rushing through Dany’s storyline so far this season?

    I loved the Jaime/Brienne scenes this episode (the final scene of the episode was brilliant), and loved the Arya scene – it actually made me a little sad about them leaving Hot Pie, loved the council scene near the beginning, loved the scene between Catelyn and the Blackfish, the scene with Jon at the Fist (though I would have liked a bit more), and the scene between Littlefinger and Tyrion about being master of coin – nice link to the real world there that I liked.

    What I didn’t love was the Samwell scene (came off a bit cold), all the Theon parts (I don’t see where they’re going with them and I don’t think anyone is), the Stannis scene (don’t see any direction either, and it was a bit cold also), I liked the Dany scene but didn’t like how quickly they’re moving through her storyline, the Pod scene (completely and utterly pointless, there are so many things it could have been replaced with, a Jon & Ygritte scene? Another Arya scene? They haven’t revealed where the brotherhood are taking her yet, a conversation about that would’ve been nice, maybe a Bran & Jojen scene about the three-eyed-raven to develop the characters of Jojen and Meera a bit more?), oh and the first scene at the funeral is similar to with Dany, I liked it, but don’t like how they’re rushing through the storyline here too.

  • Great epi!! The best part: Jamie and Brienne
    What the f…with the credit song? It was very odd

  • I thought this episode absolutely marvellous! I had my hands clapping at the first ‘bear and maiden fair’ and ‘…and Rhaegar died.’ The wolfbread was unbelievably cute and Michelle Fairley… ah, such a lovely job they all did.
    Only thing i did not like was Melisandre. Carice is just too… Dutch. It’s not her accent or anything, she just acts so… Dutch!
    I always imagined Asshai as mysterious and dark, and Carice just doesn’t bring that out. But perhaps that’s just writing.
    Overall.. a big fat NINE for this ep! Can’t wait for next week!

  • This episode was one of the best of the show to date, matching the level of awesomeness of Blackwater. And we’re only 3 weeks into this season.

  • Jenny of Oldstones,

    Ha! XD
    Ya know, either she is winning me over a little bit or I am acclimating to her performance, but I do know what you mean.

    She is anything but exotic to me and just does not fit the role IMO. Like I said though, I have moved on to the point that it does not bother me anymore unless I see someone else comment on it I guess.

  • Masterful episode. If not for the end credits music, it would have been damn near perfect. I didn’t like the music at all. But the episode was still freaking AWESOME!

  • I also watched with 4 non-book readers and there wasn’t a single reaction to the credit song, other than everyone saying “Holy Shit!” to the final scene. Everyone was begging me to tell them what’s going on with Theon and I just told them all the clues are there but you just have to let it play out!

    I thought it was an excellent episode. Totally building momentum upon what has been established not only in the first two seasons, but the first two episodes of this season.

  • Why is everyone upset about Jamie getting his hand chopped off? Sure, he just saved Brienne from being raped but let us not forget he’s still the sister-fucker who threw a 10 YEAR OLD out a window! Screw him, and his hand.

  • Regarding seeing the hand cut off:

    I think it works and is necessary. Because by cutting away you’d have no idea. Did he lose a finger? Two fingers? In this case, it’s so goddamned jarring, like, Wait, they didn’t really just cut off Jaime Lannister’s HAND, did they? Did they really do that???

  • The song: Three boys, a goat and a dancing bear.
    Three boys = The happy companions (Lockes mercenaries)
    A Goat = Locke (goatee beard)
    So where is the bear?

  • Ok, I just read one quote saying almost everything the show has done is terrible, and another saying that GRRM is a terrible writer. Nope. Do not comprehend. Brain exploding.

  • The Song really didn’t bother me that much, what did bother me was that I thought they kind of shot their wad with it early. Why do it before the bear pit? They didn’t do the Rains of Castamere before Blackwater. I guess they’re going a more foreshadowing route with this, but I thought just having Thoros and his band sing it served that purpose. It should have been credit music for the episode named for it.

    Objectively, though, with the song itself, I kind of liked it, and I’m not usually a fan of the Hold Steady.

  • Trapstar,

    “But I’m a bear!”
    “All black and brown,”
    “And covered in hair!”

    It’s just not that musical of a lyric. I suspect that those who have read it many, many times throughout the series hear it very differently. I thought they did a really good job with the in-world version and that the punk/chorus chant version in the credits was great and comparatively accessible.

    I understand the True Blood comparisons (though it compares better to to the times when True Blood did things well) and can see how it might take someone out of the feeling, but it *was* during the credits and I think served the purpose of familiarizing non-book readers with the potential allegorical nature of the songs lyrics. The two show-only, but enthusiastic, viewers I was with liked the song and (thanks to closed caption) heard and understood more of the song than they would have otherwise.

  • Best episode of the season so far. There were so many very good scenes to like.

    I have to agree with all the others about the credit song though. I LOVED that scene but the music was so jarring that I felt like I was plucked from Westeros and thrown into the mosh pit.

    I would have preferred silence to let the gravity of what just happened sink into the audiences mind.

  • WildSeed: Why is
    Ghost tracking the Night’s Watch brothers?

    I wondered if Jon had had him watch out for Sam, especially after the season’s cold open.

  • iRaven:
    I also watched with 4 non-book readers and there wasn’t a single reaction to the credit song, other than everyone saying “Holy Shit!” to the final scene.Everyone was begging me to tell them what’s going on with Theon and I just told them all the clues are there but you just have to let it play out!

    I thought it was an excellent episode.Totally building momentum upon what has been established not only in the first two seasons, but the first two episodes of this season.

    Totally the same experience here. Sometimes I wish I hadn’t read the books, so I could experience the show on a more visceral level, get surprised more often etc. But watching people who are demanding to know what’s going on with Theon is so much fun. So far they’ve got that plot off to a rollicking start. I can’t wait to see Iwan Rheon switch on the crazy. I know he’s at least got uber creepy in him.

  • A few have mentioned this before, but its more likely that Tyrion paid the whores under the table and thus Pod’s real reward for saving Tyrion’s life is a bit of self confidence (and an awesome time to boot).

  • Wow, I loved everything about this episode & thought it had so much momentum going in it.

    I agree with previous posters who have commented that Robot Stannis is showing a much more human side to him. Although I was a little cracked up with Melisandre’s sort-of “it’s-not-you-it’s-me-ok-it-really-is-you” thing. Stannis – quit being so clingy! Not attractive at all.

    LOVED the subtext in the musical chairs scene – Tyrion for the win! I can just imagine what dinner at Casterly Rock must’ve been like every night when they were kids….

    I loved seeing Riverrun in the the opening credits & loved how Blackfish just looked so pissed and annoyed as he turned & walked away after he shot the arrow.

    I don’t think we’ll see Hot Pie on the Next Iron Chef anytime soon, and thought that the giant animal cracker he gave to Arya was really sweet.

    Jamie!!! Even though I knew it was going to happen, I was still hoping he could smooth-talk his way out of it. I love that underneath his charm and sarcasm lies the heart of a true gentleman. And the whole “besmirching” conversation reminded me of Three Amigos & the word “plethora”. :)

    Wasn’t bothered by the music at the end at all. Well done, D&D! :)

  • David and Dan have explained their reasons for the music over the end credits:-

    The wildly mismatched pairing of the violence and a rock song by a contemporary band was a very deliberate move.

    “It’s such a shocking ending and when we read the scene in the books it was so shocking to us,” Weiss says. “To really hammer home the shock of that moment you need something unexpected. There’s no version of a traditional score that would keep you as off balance as we wanted that scene to leaving you feeling.”
    “I can’t imagine having that conversation with Ramin [Djawadi] our composer — ‘Now we need the Jaime-gets-his-hand-chopped-off music,’” adds Benioff. who made his directorial debut with this episode. “What we always loved in An American Werewolf in London, we see our hero shot and killed and then his lover runs to embrace his dead body — it’s a sad ending — but then we cut to black and it’s [the bouncy 1961 Marcell’s hit] ‘Blue Moon.’ And that jarring juxtaposition was fantastic.”

    See the article here: http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/14/thrones-jaime-hand/

  • That’s it, I’m out… The show and the books both are amazing, yet in these comments all most people do is bitch and whine and speculate. Useless nudity, stupid song, no Margaery, character assasination, whatever whatever, irrelevance Be grateful for once that we have this amazing adaption going! Sorry, but I’m giving WiC.net a break because I am thoroughly enjoying this show and don’t care much for this negativity going on here.

  • Cat of the Canals: This.

    Finally, someone who sees more than meets the eye. I swear some people are sheep, just following the herd and not being able to process any thoughts themselves.

    These are the same people who believe whores do it for free now and a virgin can somehow become a sex god on his first go, in a brothel owned by Littlefinger no less. Does he offer it on the house now too? Pod saved Tyrion’s life, clearly Tyrion already paid the whores and it was all done for show as a confidence boost for the lad. Christ, people.

    Sure that’s right. Not liking the song means believing that prostitutes won’t charge if they have a good time. If one’s ability to “process thought for themselves” leads to a non sequitur like this then perhaps you should bolster your independent thought with guidelines relating to actual logic. People who think the first moon landing was fake are able to process thought for themselves too. Just so happens they can’t do it all that accurately.

  • Nagga’s Kin: If you were more upset about the choice of music than the fact that a human being just got maimed, what does that say about you?

    You expect book readers to be ‘upset’ about something that has been known for 13 years? Are you serious? Yeah we’d all be outraged they filmed something from the novel that everybody was anxious for them to film. The problem people have is the music de-emphasizing the horrible nature of what happened and almost making a joke of it. Your comment makes not an ounce of sense.

  • How far up your own ass do you have to be to scoff and look down on the people who didn’t like the ending song because they “didn’t get it” and are “sheep?”

    Some people didn’t like it. You’re not smarter or better than them because you “get it,” or you’re “avant garde” or whatever other weird holier than thou hipster justification I’ve seen bandied about here.

  • boyo71,

    I think you’re the one who needs to work on their deeper thought processes.

    I am complaining that a sudden shift to utterly inappropriate music ruined the mental follow-through of a very dramatic scene.

  • I doubt that the Pod scene should imply that he is a sex god, but rather that the whores got some information out of of him without him noticing it. Littlefinger obviously knows that Tyrion has a secret whore and wants to know her identity. Bronn has enough experience to guard such secrets, but Pod but doesn’t. ;)

  • Ha XD

    Reminds me of The Princess Bride!

    “You’ve fallen victim to one of the classic blunders, the first being, never get involved in a landwar in Asia, but only slightly less well known is this. Never go up against a Sicilian, when death is on the line….”

  • Greatjon of Slumber: GOOD:
    –Direwolf Bread. Yum! (And a nice, understated way of letting Hot Pie exit.)

    It’s so rare that we get to see people saying goodbye to each other on this show (probably because it’s usually “quick, flee!” or “we’ll talk about it next time!”). It was a poignant scene.

  • I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE what they have done to Stannis. At no point in the books did Stannis ever appear to want or enjoy sex with anyone, let alone Melisandre. Yes we know he had sex with her to spawn her shadow children, but in the books Stannis does not even remember it and thinks it’s all a dream.

    They already crossed the line in Season 2 when he took her on the table by force, now they show him begging for it. I know things will be changed but this is one of the most drastic character changes from the books and it is NOT for the better.

  • ScoBe,

    I feel that you can not compare the book and the show. People need to remember we get an hour to try to tell a story and keep the story moving towards the main plot events of the book. Most of what you read these books is a combination of your own imagination and the characters perception or POV of an event. Not all material would work from the book in a television format. I just thought that last nights episode was boring. many of the scenes did not mesh together well and that the show was all over the place.

  • Hey fellow book readers – I don’t remember Tormund climbing the wall, thought this was lead by the group of Thenns? Tormund seems set up to be a part of the NW/Jon story in Winds of Winter, so what is the opinion of him climbing the wall for the Castle Black assault? Is he taking the place of Styr and his days basically numbered?

  • That shot of “boy” killing the last of the would-be Theon-rapists was AMAZING. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a point-blank execution kill with an arrow before.

  • I loved the Riverrun scenes. Seeing it made me wish we had seen it sooner! Clive Russell is a great Blackfish. Council musical chairs made me laugh out loud. Pod is a charisma void so I didn’t need to see so much of him. Arya is the opposite – I’ll take anything I can get of her. The scene with Hot Pie was surprisingly touching. I didn’t mind the final song but it’s taking attention away from the scene itself which is a real pity because it was very well played by Nikolaj and Noah.

    One small thing … I was perturbed by the sudden, silent emphasis on Burn Gorman’s character. Hopefully they integrate him into the story better next week.

  • David:
    How far up your own ass do you have to be to scoff and look down on the people who didn’t like the ending song because they “didn’t get it” and are “sheep?”

    Some people didn’t like it.You’re not smarter or better than them because you “get it,” or you’re “avant garde” or whatever other weird holier than thou hipster justification I’ve seen bandied about here.

    The thing is, we are all fans of the show and want it to succeed. This position is FAR more likely to result in thoughtlessly praising the show than thoughtlessly criticizing it. Your typical fan won’t want to feel as though they lack the artistic insight necessary to appreciate some aspect of the show and will therefore feel compelled to find some reason to like this or that choice even if they otherwise might not lest they be left out. It shows far more independence to find fault.

  • Michael:
    I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE what they have done to Stannis. At no point in the books did Stannis ever appear to want or enjoy sex with anyone, let alone Melisandre. Yes we know he had sex with her to spawn her shadow children, but in the books Stannis does not even remember it and thinks it’s all a dream.

    They already crossed the line in Season 2 when he took her on the table by force, now they show him begging for it. I know things will be changed but this is one of the most drastic character changes from the books and it is NOT for the better.

    There we go. At long last, something to bitch about other than the ending credit dissonance.

    It certainly did appear to be a change to me as well. However, I’m withholding judgment as to whether or not it makes for a better overall story arc. I never liked Stannis and I keep waiting for Jon Snow to kill him. (For the record: I still think it likely I will get my wish in The Winds of Winter).

    For all that, I’m interested in seeing where D&D are taking all of this.

    Other point: this cast is just too big and there are WAY too many story lines going on here. Consequently, we have almost ZERO story progression and the season is nearly one-third over. Thankfully they are doing ASoS over two seasons, but at this level of granularity, they may well need THREE to do it.

    This story needs *desperately* to be pared down. Watched all at once as binge entertainment, the current vignette approach may work well enough; HOWEVER, as weekly episodic television, there’s just not enough “A”, “B”, “C” and “D” storyline time after we have dealt with “E”, “F”, “G”, “H” and frikkin “I” stories in each episode, too.

    This is really starting to feel “unfilmable”. And this is my favorite novel of all time, so the realization is a pretty awful feeling.

  • KG:
    Isabelle,

    And your brown-nosing … oh wait. Did I expose the game?

    Well, that was wholly unkind, and BS. I thought the LotR references were fun and that there was one missing, so completed it. It wouldn’t have mattered whose posts we were replying to. But I am so sorry if you were offended, KG. I’ll try harder to please your delicate sensibilities, though that may prove to be a full-time job, alas. I don’t usually tend to concentrate on what I don’t like about something because I think it’s a waste of energy, but I’ll attempt to do so in the future. Just for you.

    (Though, I was a little embarrassed when I realised my first post last night was a mirror image of an earlier post, language and all–that was completely unintentional, and I said something about it when I noticed it. That said, I doubt we all read through hundreds of posts in our excitement to post our reactions, and some things clearly stand out as comment and compliment-worthy. Still, oopsie.)

    Back to the recap–thinking about it, it’s fitting that it was David Benioff’s episode that handled the discussion of money, borrowing, etc. His father was a big guy at a major investment bank, and there was a note of commentary/criticism of financial systems in the episode. I may be reading to much into it, but it’s cool when a director’s background is reflected in what they choose to emphasise.

  • EricOF: It shows far more independence to find fault.

    When the only thing you have to say about a whole episode is that the end credit song ruined the whole thing, it only shows ungratefulness… not “independence”.

    They worked their asses off to bring us a great end product… and all some people have to say in the comments is “terrible song”… And it’s always like that.. Some people on this site never praise anything about the show.. all they bring to the table is negativity and stupid nitpicking.

    You don’t like something? Fine: express yourself, that’s your right.. But at least acknowledge the myriads of other things that worked for you in the episode and that you actually enjoyed.

  • We all have our own thoughts and opinions, which makes life great. And we can all agree or disagree. So I’ll probably say something seen as unpopular but I’ll say it anyway…

    I am unimpressed with season 3 thus far. For the first time since this series started I have found myself in both episodes 2 and 3 looking at the clock, and checking to see how much time is left in the episode. The song at the end of yesterday’s episode was horrific. The worst “artistic” decision that the HBO people have made yet for this show. It didn’t fit, it was out of place, and to be honest it sounded awful.

    This is the best book of the series, so perhaps my expectations were set to high, and I’m fully aware of how much this about to pick up in the weeks ahead…but with 30% of the season now done…I don’t find myself on the edge of the seat looking and waiting for more.

  • I honestly thought this episode was very well done. There was alot of humor in this episode which was good to see, like Pod the sex god. I actually felt that the end credits worked well with what had just happened. The episode is a 10/10 for me.

  • I’m really liking the “deleted scenes” aspect of the Theon story arc. So chilling. Great episode.

  • … I though it was injustified hate. But… WTF was this ending? Seriously?? No, really, WTF was THAT???

    It was like putting Cotton Eye Joe after I am your Father in Star Wars…

    FUCK this choice, first time I really HATE something on this incredible show.

  • Camuska: It was like putting Cotton Eye Joe after I am your Father in Star Wars

    Ha. Ha! The Texas Roadhouse restaurant. You’ll be eating a great steak and BOOM 100 decibels of Rednex’s

    “If it hadn’t been for Cotton-Eye Joe/I’d been married long time ago/ Where did you come from, where did you go?/Where did you come from, Cotton-Eye Joe?”

    And all the servers start country line dancing and I’m trying to get more horseradish for my prime rib. I HATE that.

    And they’re not even from Texas. Not even country. They’re Swedish or something.

    Doesn’t make the steak any less great, though.

  • I don’t care what their reason was, it doesn’t make it good. I’m sure Manson has his “reasons” too.

    It was a horrible decision.

    It was a swing and a miss. It doesn’t mean their stupid, it doesn’t mean the show sucks, it just means they mis-stepped here. (shrug) Still the best show on TV.

    Lord Selwyn:
    David and Dan have explained their reasons for the music over the end credits:-

    The wildly mismatched pairing of the violence and a rock song by a contemporary band was a very deliberate move.


    “It’s such a shocking ending and when we read the scene in the books it was so shocking to us,” Weiss says. “To really hammer home the shock of that moment you need something unexpected. There’s no version of a traditional score that would keep you as off balance as we wanted that scene to leaving you feeling.”
    “I can’t imagine having that conversation with Ramin [Djawadi] our composer — ‘Now we need the Jaime-gets-his-hand-chopped-off music,’” adds Benioff. who made his directorial debut with this episode. “What we always loved in An American Werewolf in London, we see our hero shot and killed and then his lover runs to embrace his dead body — it’s a sad ending — but then we cut to black and it’s [the bouncy 1961 Marcell’s hit] ‘Blue Moon.’ And that jarring juxtaposition was fantastic.”

    See the article here:http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/04/14/thrones-jaime-hand/

  • Darquemode:
    Here are this week’s episode extras from HBO GO
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-episode-303-walk-of_15.html

    Thanks for uploading those every week! I actually have HBO Netherlands (will rewatch tonight on TV) but my provider somehow doesnt include HBO GO and on Demand ;(

    I agree about the punk rock version of the Bear and Maiden Fair feeling totally out of place. Having said that i liked it and it made me chuckle! And who knows… maybe they have punk rock bands in Asshai! ;)

  • Another thing I was thinking about, three episodes in now, and holy shit is this season ever excellent. I don’t think I’ve been as immersed in a show since certain seasons of Breaking Bad. I already dig it more than Season 2, and it’s really capturing the sense of scope and adventure I got from reading book 3. Everything people have been saying about them stepping it up this season is totally accurate for me.

  • SoS1989,

    No, you are not
    hated the episode
    i really thought that it lacked intensity and energy
    and had a lot of stupid pointless scenes like talisa and martyn lannister, tyrion bronn and pod’s adventures in the brothel and hot pie farewell

  • Uhhh, most people don’t watch and rewatch shows like us die-hard Throners, to be honest.

    rorschach-: I loved it and I think after some time when people have watched it again few times they will notice how good it actually is.

  • johnnytata,

    Regarding the “everyman” portrayal of Tyrion…I think it’s more than that. GRRM (and D&D) goes to great lengths to show the complexity of all their characters but particularly with three : Dany, Tyrion, Jon. For these three, the qualities of mercy, empathy, and the conflict between what they want versus what they know is right is crucial. All three have noble blood but try very hard not to treat those with less rank as less and that’s because they are all “outsiders”. All three have overcome their obstacles and will continue to do so. Showing their struggle to achieve their ambitions while holding on to their humanity is crucial to viewers/readers investing in them and rooting for them. And I think that is because they will be the three dragon riders.

  • Agree with those who found the song jarring. If a jarring song was called for, they could have devised some “oh shit!!” music that still fit the mood/tone of the show. They managed it with The National’s version of The Rains of Castamere and they could have done it here, too. Ramin Djawadi has proved himself more than capable. People don’t go to Renaissance fairs expecting to hear punk rock concerts and people don’t watch Game of Thrones to hear modern covers of Westerosi lyrics–that’s what youtube is for. What’s next? 1920s jazz playing at Joffrey and Margaery’s wedding? Why not add a disco ball with a laser show to liven up the throne room while we’re at it? Anachronistic, out of place, and ruined the moment, particularly given the gravity of what had just occurred. I really can’t hate on the credits song enough. I might even like the song, in and of itself, but belonged as an extra or special feature on the DVD or soundtrack, not part of the show or credits.

    Liked the episode otherwise.

  • They have straight up ruined Stannis on the show. They have turned him into some lame one dimensional villian, easily the worst thing about the show imo.

  • Patrick:
    They have straight up ruined Stannis on the show. They have turned him into some lame one dimensional villian, easily the worst thing about the show imo.

    He doesn’t seem too different from his book depiction, and I certainly don’t think he comes across as a villain.

    He’s not a PoV character in the books and he’s not very open, so it’s not like you see much of his motivation. If it weren’t for the fact that 90% of the scenes with Stannis are told from Davos’s point of view, with Davos constantly praising his honor and justice, Stannis would probably come across pretty much the same way as in the show.

  • Am I the only one that noticed that FREAKING AMAZING dolly shot during the horse chase. For a directorial debut pulling off the logistics required for that is really impressive, especially when you consider the lack of time a TV shooting schedule allows to prepare for those things.

    I personally thought the credit song was awesome, hilarious, awesomely hilarious. It’s unfortunate that people take a television show so seriously. I love the books, the characters, everything. But at the end of the day, we’re all gathered around the TV to have an enjoyable romp put on by some of the most talented people in the business.

    And ohmagerd… those of you who think this show is ‘mediocre’ or ‘horrible’,… wow. Yeah, you’re entitled to think the writing is terrible. But to say the cinematography, costuming, set dressing, casting, acting, etc is horrible just shows how out of touch you are with the rest of television.

  • “The bear and the maiden fair” ‘s end song ruined the Jaime’s hand scene…
    This was supposed to be the best scene for Jaime and turned out to be pretty awful… Oh come on!!!

  • AWESOME episode!
    Loved the Jamie hand chop at the end! loved the typical white walker patterns with the horse heads on the top of fist of the first men. And loved the Boy with Theon…
    Now I have read the books soooo

    I friggin loved!!!! How Ramsay “Boy” is basically fooling Theon… you know he is ramsay from the quote of the guy saying “you bastard” as Ramsay is obviously playing games with Theon but he is awesome as at the moment I am kinda like “wow… this guy is a pretty bad ass good guy! looking forward to the turn around of events I must say!!! … Got a feeling its the next episode

  • The Pain Yak,

    Yeah, I think he did kill his own men. The Bastard had those men torture Theon on his orders and then killed them as part of his plan to eff up Theon. See, not only did he give him false hope. He’s showing him that he has no loyalties whatsoever…that’s he’s willing to kill anyone, at any time. He’s also showing Theon that he and only he has the power to save him. The Bastard is planting some deep, deep seeds in Theon’s brain. He’ll treat him nice and then hurt him. Treat him nice and then hurt him. And Theon will never see a pattern and that will keep him on edge. This is a long game torture here folks and his aim is to break Theon and drive him more than little crazy. So far he’s off to a good start.

    BTW, this kind of treatment, that back and forth from nice to mean is emotional abuse and he’ll engage in some “crazy making behavior”, a real term in counseling parlance. It’s all form of brainwashing and control that will be layered on top of the physical abuse.

  • Spryte:
    Great episode, too many favorite moments to list!

    D&D did a great job directing. And let’s give a hand to Nickolaj on some great acting tonight!

    And sheesh people, it’s not like the rock song was playing throughout the episode. I didn’t mind it, most people were too busy being shocked by the last scene. I thought the version we heard by Locke’s party was lots of fun and pretty much how I imagined it to be.

    This.

    Valdred Dethstorm: People just need to whine about something every week. Else, they’d go crazy.

    This, too.

  • I was one of many that got the torrented version with the song coming in 10 seconds earlier than it was supposed to (which was still awesome in a David Lynch way), so I thought I could understand the bitching here, as that was a crazy editorial surprise, but upon watching the actual version this morning, I can say with utmost confidence that you guys are being completely, utterly ridiculous.

  • Eric,

    Did the White Walkers make corpse “crop circles” in the books?

    I wondered the same thing. I didn’t remember this from the books but I am re-reading them now. Did this happen previously in the show? I vaguely recall something like it. In this ep I thought, “why would they do that and how? Since most of the Others seem to be unable to do anything but act like zombies, how did they accomplish this? The only ones who seem to have any conscious thought are the leaders on horseback, the ones who look like men made out of stringy ice (I don’t know how else to describe them)….Other warlocks or something….” The spiral used in this ep is an old, old pagan symbol (if not THE oldest) from many different cultures in our world. It’s associated with “Old Gods” here, so are we to assume the Others are associated withe the Old Gods–the ones that the Stark’s worshiped? And if so, why make that connection?

  • LOVED the episode. LOVED the rockin version of bear and maiden fair at the end. Dont know what everyone’s so uptight about? My adrenaline was pumping when our beloved kingslayer got sliced like processed ham in the shoprite deli. And then they blasted you with this intense punk rockin version of a westerosi billboard chart topper. It created an awesome feel.

    Check out a clip of me and my buddy Patchface jamming on a keyboard to Rains of Castamere in a local music store: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY1-FplNjFU

  • Zack,

    I think you’re right, Ghost is watching out for Sam AND it keeps him in our view as well. Last week a lot of folks on here were asking about Ghost, where he’d gone since we keep seeing Jon without him. D&D never let those kinds of threads drop. I’m finally gaining more confidence that they’ll answer most of my questions eventually, if I can just be patient enough…which ain’t easy. :)

  • Clambake:
    Alex Dubrovsky,

    I see your point. But I’ll never blame George for anything but writing the greatest fantasy story ever. But I will blame HBO and crew for making the show before book seven. And for putting House sigils and everything else on every little piece of shit they can think of then charging an arm and a leg for it. It’s just obscene.

    The first three books are indeed the best fantasy I’ve ever read, but the next two are pretty bad – AFFC is uniformly mediocre and full of totally unnecessary travelogues that lead nowhere, and ADWD has several parts that are so bad they are basically unreadable. ADWD also takes the credit for destroying one of my favorite characters and destroying another one I kind of liked.

    I can’t judge the book or TV series like this without knowing how it ends. It’s like LOST – it was a great show until it became clear that whoever created it, just invented various meaningless nonsense on the spot. I think ASOIAF is heading in this direction.

  • Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    It did happen previously in the show, back in the pilot episode. Will finds the butchered wildlings in a strange pattern in the intro scene. I guess the dude with his head in his hands from the Season 3 cold open also has something to do with this. I think it’s a pretty cool trait, gives these weird mostly-unseen foes some character.

  • The sequence with Pod and the gold leads me to think either Littlefinger told them to not accept the gold, but to try to get Pod to get some dirt on Tyrion. Littlefinger took an interest in the Ros getting held hostage by Cersei last season and may dig out Shae via all this. So methinks

  • Yellow Dog,

    Yellow Dog:
    Clive Russell is PERFECT. Blackfish Blues must be comatose from joy.

    I am. I’m also very happy that so many like him.

    But did anybody understand who the hell are those arrow-happy people supposed to be? We have to wait a while for the explanation. I’m OK with that, but I hated Edmure’s first impression, because he has to be the fool to Can’t-Do-Anything-Wrong Robb.

    I also enjoyed Barristan, and the “Rhaegar fought valiantly etc” bit, and Jaime, and Hot Pie’s farewell, and everything about Theon, and many other scenes.

    I’m only sad that I don’t like the series as a whole. I feel a bit betrayed because they drew me in four years ago out of curiosity since they were making a TV series. So I read the books, formed my idea, decided who were my fave characters, but now I have a life and little time, and if it wasn’t for the Tullys I would not be wasting my time on this.

    Wait, I’ve been too hard. The problem is that out here on the borders of the empire we’ll get GoT in months, and we’ll have to pay for it, it won’t be aired on public TV. I would not pay for it just to watch a TV series, I can’t afford it. If I could watch GoT every Sunday evening, say, as I watch NCIS, I’d be OK with it. But I’m forced to do cartwheels to watch it together with you all (and give publicity to HBO in so doing) and so I’m a bit bitter.

    Maybe later, when I’ve watched the ep again, I won’t be so negative. But I’m trying to get across the point of how hard it is to keep track of something I DO like while being forced to hunt for it all across the world.

  • confused_hodor: The song everyone has mentioned would have been fine if they would have played it for the credits, rather than have it replace Locke’s dialogue?

    Aww, now see, that's what you get for pirating. If you watched on HBO, the song did not start until after the scene went to black.

    People who steal have no right to bitch.

  • Steel_Wind,

    Agreed, this is my major qualm with the show this season, mind you, I love every minute hand of it, but only 6 minutes of Dany, after missing her last episode, no thx.
    D&D need to really become honest to themselves and begin parring down the show somewhat for future book seasons. I don’t want to see Dany for 6 minutes every other episode, same with others. Therefore as I mentioned before time to cut one or two major plots from Feast and Dances (Kingsmoot for example) and concentrate on the great cast and stories we have in place already.

  • Varamyr Fourskins,

    Wait. What? I didn’t get any of those. I would love to know your reasoning for it. I am not critisizing. Just really curious how you came up with them. Interesting theories. Don’t judge! I never even figured out the L+R=J thing until I started coming on this site. That was both an aha moment and a d’oh moment.

  • Clive Russell’s Blackfish is now officially the baddest badass in Westeros; D&D need to adapt the story so he ends up with Dany, therefore she has Jorah, Barristan and Blackfish as her Queens guard. Hell! she won’t need her dragons anymore, she can retake the Iron Throne with just those three.

  • Steel_Wind: There we go. At long last, something to bitch about other than the ending credit dissonance.

    It certainly did appear to be a change to me as well. However, I’m withholding judgment as to whether or not it makes for a better overall story arc. I never liked Stannis and I keep waiting for Jon Snow to kill him. (For the record: I still think it likely I will get my wish in The Winds of Winter).

    For all that, I’m interested in seeing where D&D are taking all of this.

    Other point: this cast is just too big and there are WAY too many story lines going on here. Consequently, we have almost ZERO story progression and the season is nearly one-third over. Thankfully they are doing ASoS over two seasons, but at this level of granularity, they may well need THREE to do it.

    This story needs *desperately* to be pared down.Watched all at once as binge entertainment, the current vignette approach may work well enough; HOWEVER, as weekly episodic television, there’s just not enough “A”, “B”, “C” and “D” storyline time after we have dealt with “E”, “F”, “G”, “H” and frikkin “I” stories in each episode, too.

    This is really starting to feel “unfilmable”. And this is my favorite novel of all time, so the realization is a pretty awful feeling.

    I’m not really into the Stannis storyline or character for that matter. Whether the books or the show, he’s just one of those characters that doesn’t inspire me to care. I also thought maybe his scene was a bit out place in this episode. I know they wanna “check in” with the characters to show where and how the chess pieces are moving, but it was a scene that would have been better served in another episode. That being said, the actor is doing a great job, and it seems to me that he lost a bit of weight? He looks thinner, weaker, more frail, which is exactly how I pictured him from the books. I am also happy they gave us those lines between him and Melisandra. I think they’re essential in explaining how Stannis can’t win the war by just popping out a bunch of shadow babies.

  • Mark,

    The Talisa martyn lannister seen was not pointless. Would it be better if the show just said “oh btw, you know those characters you’ve never heard of? Karstark killed them”. The scene did have a point, to show the naivety and innocence of those boys,to make it more horrifying when they are brutally murdered.

  • Ed:
    Uhhh, most people don’t watch and rewatch shows like us die-hard Throners, to be honest.

    Yes and when I said that people would get used to it after the “rage” would leave them I truly only mean the die-hard fans. Haven’t yet seen anyone non-reader complain about the music. It was epic and awesome. Truly bold move and I somehow understand why people don’t like it, but saying that it was a miss or failure is bit too much. You can say that you don’t like it but that doesn’t make it bad. I don’t like blackpudding but I still think well made blackpudding can be frigging awesome, even if I don’t like it.

    You guys will grow into it. Mark my words.

  • I liked the episode but HATED the ending credits music. It was irritating on the level of going to the movies and having some ass sitting behind you, talking on his cell. Yea, that irritating. Quite frankly, I turned the tv off afterword, pissed.

  • Alex Dubrovsky: The first three books are indeed the best fantasy I’ve ever read, but the next two are pretty bad – AFFC is uniformly mediocre and full of totally unnecessary travelogues that lead nowhere, and ADWD has several parts that are so bad they are basically unreadable. ADWD also takes the credit for destroying one of my favorite characters and destroying another one I kind of liked.

    I can’t judge the book or TV series like this without knowing how it ends. It’s like LOST – it was a great show until it became clear that whoever created it, just invented various meaningless nonsense on the spot. I think ASOIAF is heading in this direction.

    I just finished AFFC last night and thought it was great. Not as much action as ASOS but that doesn’t mean its meaningless nonsense. The twists and turns that characters take won’t always make us happy because that’s what life is like. It would be great to see every character arc go exactly how you want but thats just not going to happen.

  • I don’t get the hate for the song at the end. Yeah, it was jarring. Whack! goes the hand, and it was shocking – and the raucous song immediately after kept the shock that Jaime felt all through the credits. Yeah, it was out of place and different for them – very dark humor. No plinky-plinky dramatic music we are used to. And I say good for them for shaking it up a bit.

  • Jaehaerys:
    Agree with those who found the song jarring. If a jarring song was called for, they could have devised some “oh shit!!” music that still fit the mood/tone of the show.They managed it with The National’s version of The Rains of Castamere and they could have done it here, too. Ramin Djawadi has proved himself more than capable. People don’t go to Renaissance fairs expecting to hear punk rock concerts and people don’t watch Game of Thrones to hear modern covers of Westerosi lyrics–that’s what youtube is for. What’s next? 1920s jazz playing at Joffrey and Margaery’s wedding? Why not add a disco ball with a laser show to liven up the throne room while we’re at it? Anachronistic, out of place, and ruined the moment, particularly given the gravity of what had just occurred. I really can’t hate on the credits song enough. I might even like the song, in and of itself, but belonged as an extra or special feature on the DVD or soundtrack, not part of the show or credits.

    Liked the episode otherwise.

    None of the music used in the show is period. They didnt have classical orchestra’s in the middle ages. They didnt have synthesizers. So in actual fact, the music used so far is as anachronistic as the rock song (which actual did have a singalong vibe that wouldve been popular in the middle ages)

  • Steel_Wind: There we go. At long last, something to bitch about other than the ending credit dissonance.

    The funny thing is I liked the closing credits as a 1 time thing. I was bouncing in my seat, trying to sing along.

    Back to the Stannis issue, no one likes him. Well almost no one. I don’t like him either, but that does not mean I want to see his character tossed out the window like Bran. His relationship with Melisandre is very specific in the books. Everyone thinks he is getting it on with her but in reality he doesn’t.

    Yes he sleeps with her to spawn her shadow children, but as I pointed out it is never shown in the books that he enjoyed it. The fact that Stannis slept with Melisandre is only hinted at in the books, the shadow looking like him, Stannis appearing weak and drained.

    Stannis is supposed to be the rock, unmoving, uncaring. You do what he wants or else he will destroy you. He does not beg to get laid like some pathetic teenager.

  • BobJ,

    Exactly.
    It reminded me a lot of that scene in Reservoir Dogs, with Stuck in the Middle with You. Horrific violence juxtaposed with cheery music is an effective combination.

  • Darquemode,

    That could very well happen. Either way it happens, I hope they do it well. I know it’s coming up, just wondering why the delay.

  • tysnow:
    Clive Russell’s Blackfish is now officially the baddest badass in Westeros; D&D need to adapt the story so he ends up with Dany, therefore she has Jorah, Barristan and Blackfish as her Queens guard. Hell! she won’t need her dragons anymore, she can retake the Iron Throne with just those three.

    This.

    (Edit: I really believe it would not be so outlandish, given how things play out – or don’t – in the last book. Brynden has got to go somewhere…)

  • Two more thoughts about that amazing episode:

    1. Blackfish is PERFECT.

    2. The Meereeneese Knot! Such clever writing.

  • I didnt know that in 2013 people were so offended by nudity, but this show has taught me some things about the level of conservatism in HBO viewers. Yeah that is so completely out of character for Tyrion (remember his introductory scene? ) rewarding his faithful teenage sidekick with beautiful naked women – absolutely exploitative! But seriously, genius scene and I laughed aloud at the “Mereneese knot” in-joke. I think this show is aimed more at the people who understood that Tyrion probably already paid them than those who believe every word he says on screen and/or were outraged by nudity at this point in the third season. Or the people who call a song played in the credits “anachronistic”. Sigh.

  • VILLAIN:
    It just shows you how good an episode is when all the whingers can cry about is the song during the credits.

    Pull your heads out of your bums, people. You don’t deserve to be this lucky.

    I love how expressing our opinion makes us “whiners”, just because we express a negative view of the show. Some people would clap like seals if D&D filmed a turd in a box.

    The episode was great. Few people are saying it was poor. But the music at the end didn’t work. We all “get” what they were trying to do, but it just didn’t work for a large percentage of us. So take your “whiner” crap and blow it out your ass.

  • Michael,

    Do we know he wasn’t sleeping with her even when he wasn’t creating shadows? In Melisandre’s POV chapter she states that she has ‘little use for her bed’ now that Stannis had left. That sounds like they were getting it on to me.

  • zod: You do realize that they’re setting up the Kastark’s “treason” with those kids, right?

    Precisely. They used Talisa to introduce the young Lannister boys.

  • Clambake:
    I agree with some of the others. This episode was horrible. I am truly starting to hate this show. If the books weren’t my favorite books of all time maybe I’d like the show a lot more. There are many reasons I won’t go into why I think the show is mediocre at best. But the biggest one is because the show ruined the books for me. Now everytime I read them I can’t help but picture what I’ve seen on the show. This shameless cash grabbing whore of a show pisses me off sometimes.

    You could actually not watch it.

  • Rad episode, easily the best of the season thus far and in the top five episodes overall alongside 1×9, 1×10, 2×3 and 2×9.

  • Carcinogen:
    Haven’t watched the episode yet, so I really shouldn’t comment on this (or even be reading this, ha ha ha) but the way people describe the ending reminds me of the original Evil Dead more than anything.The horrible nightmare has ended, the sun is coming up, Ash is walking away hoping to live the rest of his life with PTSD nightmares… and BOOM!POV monster cam slams into him, screen goes black, and then‘these are the days’ ragtime music starts playing just before the credits roll.Best ending ever.

    This is exactly the problem I had with the credit music. It’s not that it doesn’t work for SOME things, it obviously worked for FMJ or Evil Dead. Evil Dead is the essence of camp. It just doesn’t work for GoT because this isn’t a campy show. It felt like it trivialized what we just saw.

  • SJGIM,

    I thought the same thing about Pod. But out of an excellent episode, the Pod supposedly losing his virginity in a grand manner, we could have done without. I get they were trying inject some levity into the proceedings but I felt that was unnecessary.
    I thought Theon was more upset about being potentially raped (rightfully so) then Jaime losing his hand. Even my husband turned to me and said, “That scene just didn’t do it for me.” Nikolaj was excellent up until the scream. They should have had him pass out. Or do a Baelor like cutaway. Jaime is not one of my favorite characters, even after his redemption, which compared to Theon in book 5, shows how much further Jaime needs to go. but Nikolaj is always on the money with his portrayal. The dude that played Locke was great & cold as ice. Loved him mentioning how it easy it is for Jaime to throw his rich Daddy’s name around and Daddy isn’t here. So true about all the Lannisters, they hide behind Tywin.
    I wonder how non-book readers feel about the Theon storyline? I am kind of meh on Iwan Rheon so far but he has not had the opportunity to show much range.
    Absolutely loved the whole Riverrun sequence…the Blackfish and Edmure were perfect. Richard Madden and Michelle Fairley were home runs last night. Loved the Blackfish’s version of a mic drop too.
    I really thought Ser Barristan was going to smack Dany upside the head over her desire to have the Unsullied. Really telling how he told her that Rhaegar was able to bring men to battle because those loved him and had loyalty to him because they knew him.
    I liked them injecting the Iron Bank of Braavos into the proceedings as well. Also liked Tywin’s agreement to the marriage between Peter and Lysa and having Peter make sure that Lysa doesn’t support her nephew. Then I thought he said something about Roose Bolton that I missed…but the gist of the young wolf is going to come to realize that more are against him then for him. Good point, Tywin.
    I am in the minority who liked the song at the end.

  • Mark,

    of course they didn’t do the Rains of Castamere before the Blackwater the song doesn’t have any significance to Stannis. But it does have significance to episode 9 of this Season and them introducing it a whole season before shows its importance

  • jkd:
    The song was perfect. It was Tarantino. Same vibe as the ear-cutting scene in Reservoir Dogs. Black comedy. Lighten up, people.

    Yes, it was Tarantino. GoT isn’t Tarantino. That’s the problem.

  • Off the end-credit-gate fiasco for a minute, anyone else like how the Riverrun soldier’s mail is like fish scales? I love the costuming in this show, it’s brilliant. Each “kingdom” has it’s own unique look that feels very organic, like it really evolved over time.

  • confused_hodor:
    The song everyone has mentioned would have been fine if they would have played it for the credits, rather than have it replace Locke’s dialogue?

    The editing was so confusing, because the audio track dropped out for a second before the song started. And it started during a super close shot of Locke’s face as he is speaking and his lips are moving.

    So the end result was me thinking there was some technical issue that had gone wrong that was causing me to miss out on the climatic dialogue being spoken, and now I won’t know what he was saying.

    Maybe they could have edited it a bit different to make it work.

    Way to confirm your piracy. Bravo!

  • Blackfish Blues: Language barrier. What’s a mic drop?

    It’s a term used when two performers are “battling” (think Rappers going back and forth) and one of them does something awesome that just blows the other person away. They then drop the microphone (mic) on the ground and walk away. In other words, this poster is referring to Edmure being unable to hit the arrow, Blackfish just grabs the bow, fires a shot, and walks away without even watching to see if he hit (because he’s so awesome he knows he hit without looking). He then shoves the bow back in Edmure’s hand (the equivlent of dropping the mic) and walks off.

    Do a youtube search, you’ll probably find some videos that would make more sense than me trying to explain in words.

  • Blackfish Blues,

    I believe it’s a reference to how The Blackfish fired and, while the arrow was still in the air, he turned and handed the bow back as if he KNEW it was on target and confirming that he is bad ass confident enough to not have to wait and see it hit.

    Being a Boston Celtics fan I was immediately reminded of Celtic great, Larry Bird, who used to shoot a three point shot and would start running back down the court before it inevitably went swishhhh.

  • LordDavos12,
    Actually, I’ve always thought that Jon is a Targaryan…from Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar, who actually loved each other or she got pregnant from the rape(s) but didn’t hold it against the baby who she loved so she made Ned promise to care for him because she knew if Robert found out he would kill Jon….but I’ve come to this conclusion from reading the books. The TV show has given a few small hints but not enough. The rest of that original list is trolling, has to be…too stupid to be otherwise.

  • I do not give a Hodor – but I am absolutaly in fanboyish state of mind after thir episode.
    Can not chose the best scene really – council meeting and the chairs – I really lol-ed (maybe for the firts time in the show so far.)
    Bwb, Hound, Tullys everything was spot on.
    Arya and Hot Pie goodbyes were awwww.
    Even sex-position was hilarious with mereenese knot involved and Bronn & Tyrion s reactions afterwards.
    Theon: I am pretty fine with that storyline – although as a book reader I can presume where they are going with it.
    Only a little quibble: the wildlings again – something is missing – but I still do not get quite understan what exactly – as it was last season with Qhorin.
    On the other hand – the Craster s keep was good.
    But above everything are Jaime and Brienne – great dialogue, great acting, and great tension and chemistry between the two.

    A bear, a bear and the maiden fair!

  • I didn’t like the end credits song. It just wasn’t that good and it took me out of the moment. Some interesting points are made here in the comments in favor of the song but it hasn’t overcome my initial gut reaction. The producers were trying to be cool and have a Pulp Fiction moment which … erm, no. Not going along with that. There’s a time and place and that wasn’t it. It’s like an old person version of cool which is Not Cool.

  • @Michael

    What is up with all the Stannis hate? Everyone loves Stannis most people just don’t know that yet. He is the rightful king of Westeros after all And truly awesome once he decided to help out at the wall and conquer the north.

  • Most of you are missing the intention of the closing music I feel.The jarring effect of the final scene clashing with the end credit theme.Double jarring if you get my drift.It certainly surprised me and didn’t give me the time to react fully to what I had just seen.That came later – and the scene lingers still.It worked well as a device but some of you are right when you say it reminded you of True Blood.
    D & D are artists – let them practice their art.

  • Michael:
    I hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE what they have done to Stannis. At no point in the books did Stannis ever appear to want or enjoy sex with anyone, let alone Melisandre. Yes we know he had sex with her to spawn her shadow children, but in the books Stannis does not even remember it and thinks it’s all a dream.

    They already crossed the line in Season 2 when he took her on the table by force, now they show him begging for it. I know things will be changed but this is one of the most drastic character changes from the books and it is NOT for the better.

    Just because we never SAW Stannis “take Melisandre by force” in the books doesn’t mean it never happened. It just never happened in front of Davos (our only POV at Dragonstone except Cressen’s Prologue). I’m fine with what they’re doing to Stannis, it’s helping show just how “under her spell” he is.

  • Gregory Kelton,

    That is why I tend to give a lot of leeway to the writers for some of these so-called “character assassinations”.

    Our view of most characters was very limited, and what we assume to be representational of their true spirit, may be only partially accurate. It is the most important aspect as it relates to moving the story forward, but not necessarily a definitive statement as to who they are every day of every week.

    Unlike most Fantasy novels, GRRM’s characters are real and dynamic. They do things that are out of jealousy or pettiness or other personal issues that may not show up in any given POV. Most of us do things that can be considered “out of character” to casual observers, things that we ourselves may not find all that out of character at all given that we have all the facts and know exactly why we did said act.

  • Two things I hate

    1. Melissandre is obviously going to find Gendry and bang him… they better give her a greater importance of going to the Riverlands (hopefully shedding a light on her and Thoros having a past and aim toward the same ultimate goal)

    2. Nothing with Littlefinger’s advance in story arch is a secret to the viewers let alone other characters around him.

  • Arthur:
    1st impression was overall enjoyment.

    Wish there was less Pod and the whore house and more Dany…

    Also that credit song totally took my out of the GoT time period fantasy element… Felt like some True Blood shit…

    Yeah, that was *literally* just like True Blood. They put the same kind of music right after a bloody cliffhanger. Terrible.

  • “D & D are artists – let them practice their art.”

    Well, that’s that then; Mr. Artiste is always right.
    Not!
    I’m the viewer. I have opinions. And, this is an open forum.
    That song sucked!

  • – I’m loving Theon’s arc these season! I was great surprised since FaB rated as the worst arc in the first for episodes. Iwan Rheon is badass. PS: It’s silly, but I don’t like his hair, haha.

    -Blackfish is awesome!! I want to see more of Riverrun (literally)

    – Burn Gorman has a nice presence on scene. I think he is gonna be awesome in the next episode.

    – I’m the only that liked the music at the end?

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Michael,

    Do we know he wasn’t sleeping with her even when he wasn’t creating shadows?In Melisandre’s POV chapter she states that she has ‘little use for her bed’ now that Stannis had left. That sounds like they were getting it on to me.

    We know that he had to sleep with her. The problem with the show is they are making it look like Stannis ENJOYED it. Stannis doesn’t enjoy anything, ever. Even worse they are reducing him to a horny teenager begging Melisandre to sleep with him again. And not just to make another shadow child, but again he’s begging her because he liked banging her.

    This is not me hating on Stannis, it’s exactly the opposite. I am upset over what they are doing to the version of Stannis I already know. I can accept changes, but this change goes directly against who Stannis is supposed to be.

    Imagine if they made Arya all girly like Sansa, people would hate such a drastic change like that.

  • The Purist,

    Dude I am just sorry you can’t enjoy good television. The reason you liked season 1 was because it was almost word for word from the books. Unfortunately that is the only book where this is possible for television since the story expands exponentially from there. Try enjoying the show for just being a television show and leave the books to be books…

  • Pod’s scene was completely unnecesary and kills the rhythm of an otherwise good episode. Why does it drag out for so long? It’s completely unrealistic too. It feels like some HBO exec stepped in and said: “Hey! Where are the boobies in this season? We need WAY more of those! Put a grauitous nudity scene here pronto!”. Foul play.

  • At first, I kinda agreed with everyone about not liking what they did with the music, but after a rewatch, I guess it’s just fine. Time to get used to the new version of The Bear and the Maiden fair (very different from the version I loved on youtube).
    The only thing that bothers me is just what they did with Stannis, but the rest was awesome, it was a great episode and can’t wait for next week !

  • voiceareason,

    yeah you’re right, forgot about that part
    i haven’t read the books in a while so the karstark stuff slipped my mind
    but nonetheless did we really need to see it ? the lannister boys were mentioned in the scene between edmure and robb wouldn’t that have sufficed ?

  • People need to stfu about Talisa. Everyone whines and complains if she’s on the tv for more than 5 seconds. She’s a hot woman who takes up at MAXIMUM 45 seconds of screen time an episode, get over it lol. The scene was not pointless because they wanted you to feel emotion for the Lannister kids before Karstark maims them.

  • Matt,

    In regards to rushing through Dany’s story, I actually felt the opposite….that they’re not moving fast enough. I think it’s mainly because we haven’t got to see her triumphant too many times. Then again, come to think of it no one seems to get a “clean win” in GOT….no gain without pain. Still, I want to see Dany kick some butt and soon. Same for Sam too. He is wayyyyy over due to kill an Other. The preview for Ep 4 next week shows him actually raising his voice in a commanding way to his Watch Bros….stoked to see him grow as a character and with the introduction of Gilly and the baby in his life, what with his wanting to protect them, there will be ample opportunity..

  • Michael,

    How do we know Mel forced him to sleep with her throughout the books though? The only time we see Stannis is through Davos and Jon’s POV. And in the scene in this episode he wants to make more shadow babies so they can kill Joffrey and Robb, not because he is horny.

  • Michael,

    It’s hinted that Stannis really likes Melisandre, in the books:

    Stannis did not pull away from Melisandre’s touch as he had from his queen’s. The red woman was all Selyse was not; young, full-bodied, and strangely beautiful, with her heart-shaped face, coppery hair, and unearthly red eyes.

  • I think we saw the best episode of the season so far.. D&D did a great job as directors! And i really don´t get why everybody is so mad about the pod sex-scene. I laughed my ass of especially the meranese knot joke was hilarious. And did nobody else like the first (sung) version of the bear and the maiden fair? I agree that the punk-rock version at the end was a little bit misplaced but i believe that the song was in line with the idea of the whole song being a drinking song. It reminded me a lot of bein in a pub drinkin ale and chanting irish drinking songs.

  • In the case of Stannis/Melisandre, I think people just ignored the signs in the books. It is similar to the people who were shocked to find out that Renly was gay, even though it was hinted at heavily in the books.

  • Wow, the infighting really started this thread!

    It took 2 and a third seasons, but y’all have come up neck and neck with the Gleeks…. keep up the self-serious bitching and you’ll pass them by episode 10

  • Mad Hatter: “D & D are artists – let them practice their art.”

    With all respect, D&D are executive producers, otherwise known as showrunners. Showrunners aren’t artists. There is no showrunner guild, no Academy of Arts and Sciences and Showrunners, no award for Showrunner of the Year among the plethora of awards Hollywood bestows upon its residents. D&D hire, assign, and oversee guild-level crafts, handle budgets and schedules, approve casting, and assign themselves guild tasks like writing and directing.

  • I’m wondering what the etiquette for spoilers is in these threads, considering there’s a newbie thread as well? Anyone wanna help me out on how that works? I’ll still black out stuff just in case.

    Based on what we know, does anyone have any spectulations on where they’re gonne take the Ramsay/Theon plot. I know the ultimate end is psychological/physical abuse and mindfuckery, but I’m really curious to see how they’re gonna get there, what the plan entails, etc.

  • HellFell,

    just because some people feel that a contemporary punk rock song smashing into our ears before we can even begin to process a shocking show-stopper set in a medieval fantasy world doesn’t make comments expressing that opinion stupid.

    if plenty of people feel it was out of place, then maybe it was

    after all the showrunners should be aiming to please viewers
    all viewers, or at least most
    i don’t watch GOT to get a taste of what getting snapped back to the year 2013 barely 2 seconds after jaime loses his hand is

    I watch GOT to be immersed in that world
    and i’m not the only one

  • Mark,

    I see what your saying, except the split of liking it to disliking it seems pretty 50/50 (not here maybe, but from looking around the net). So, it DID please some viewers, so can it objectively be out of place? For some peeps it is, for some it ain’t.

  • What a great show. It will never live up to the books. They are just too rich. They nailed the jamie loosing a hand scene though! Fantastic! And to all you nerds who didnt like the song at the end. Go play dungeons and dragons ya hard ons. I also love the fact that we get to see theon and his exciting adventures with the BOfB. I’m pretty sure he wasn’t actually in ASOS at all? Could be wrong.

  • I’m of a few minds about the song:

    1). I really wish people would say they loved or hated something like as song choice, rather than saying it was great or terrible. Like there’s some objective answer to these things! Does that make me boring?

    2). I would not have guessed that the Hold Steady would read as punk to so many people. I always think of them as kind of like a reinterpretation of Thin Lizzy style raucous, bawdy classic rock, with a bit of Springsteen. That’s not exactly a compliment, by the way — Thin Lizzy is pretty far on the guilty side of guilty pleasures. But the punk thing seems to be a ubiquitous reaction, so maybe I’m wrong. I guess I can see a little punk edge to it. Thin Lizzy meets Springsteen meets Sex Pistols then.

    3). I thought it worked well, and that the irreverence and bawdiness was a good fit. I’m not a huge Hold Steady fan, but thinking about The Bear and the Maiden Fair in particular, they really did seem like the obvious choice. And I can’t get the song out of my head.

    4). That said, I can see why it wouldn’t work for a lot of people. It’s certainly jarring, and I thought I might hate the Hold Steady the first time I heard them too.

    4). KG, the Hold Steady are not so corporate. They’re regular guys who got together on their own, and I don’t think they’ve ever had major label backing or much radio play. Can’t imagine that will endear them to you much, but I felt obligated to correct the record on that point.

    5). That said, while the idea of an anti-establishment punk rendition of a song by and for commoners that mocks the upper class appeals, I’d have to agree that The Hold Steady are not especially anti-establishment (though they’re certainly not pro). They’re just a rock band. But insofar as raucousness and bawdiness are the main point of TBATMF, they’re a great fit.

    6). It was kind of like a True Blood ending, but in a way that worked for me. Not especially original, though; that’s true.

    7). In the end, I think how people feel about the song and its use in the episode will have everything to do how they feel about The Hold Steady. I think that should work out pretty well for them. Having well-regarded bands do music for the show probably helps legitimize it for some viewers, and I find it fun. I do sympathize with people who disliked the choice. You know, unless they’re being pricks about it.

    Moving on to the episode, I thought it was mostly excellent. The scene with the whores was pretty uncomfortable for me, though. I mostly defend/enjoy nudity and sex on TV and in movies, but it’s getting pretty hard to defend the show from the charge of sleaziness in that regard. At least the debrief with Tyrion and Bronn was pretty charming. Overall, Benioff should feel quite proud of his first directorial effort.

    Game of Thrones remains, for me, a mostly brilliant show and adaptation with a few shockingly terrible moments of each (which are sometimes but not always the same scenes or lines). The song wasn’t one of those in my book, but I understand why others see it that way. On balance, though, I think it will probably help show viewership more than it hurts it.

  • The Pod scene wasn’t necessary at all and could’ve definitely been substituted for other character who aren’t getting enough screentime as of yet (Arya, Jon, etc.).

    But I think people are seriously underrating the scene.

    It was obvious that Tyrion paid off the whores because even though losing your virginity while having a foursome with three good-looking women would’ve been pretty awesome, it really wouldn’t of lasted as long/ been as impactful, as the huge burst of confidence Pod got when the girls wouldn’t take his money because of ‘how good he was’, that can last forever. Tyrion knows this first hand as it is reminiscent of what happened to him with Tysha and Jaime (until things got awful there). It just shows that Tyrion sees Pod as a somewhat ‘son/ brother-like’ person or at least admires him enough to really want to make him happy and how different he is from his father, someone who he would never want to be like.

    Secondly, did anyone even begin to realise that Pod could’ve actually pocketed the money he got back from the girls and Tyrion would’ve never known (in Pods mind that is, not knowing it was Tyrion who paid them off in the first place)? Or was everyone just yelling at their T.V. screen because HBO was showing boobies again? Anyway, it shows how loyal Pod is, and although unnecessary, was still a very nice touch.

    I know I’m analyzing this scene WAY too much here, because in the end it was just some comic relief but people need to relax and at the very least, realise that this scene would’ve appealed to the softcore viewers of this show which is unfortunately, an audience that needs to be targeted in order for it to keep on succeeding (hence, all dem boobies!).

  • I wish D&D would document how the gratuitous nudity is bringing the softcore/mouth-breathing basement dwellers to the show in meaningful numbers to justify their choices. Sampling websites with majority women viewers/commenters finds that many women are turned off by the GN and are having more trouble with it, not less. Since the show needs female viewers, not more males, according to the statistics we were given last year, the argument can be made that the GN is not just a critical failure but also counterproductive.