Episode 24 – And Now His Watch Is Ended – Recap
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Joffrey and Margaery in the Sept

Have you fully recovered from that face-melting episode of Game of Thrones? Then read my thoughts on “And Now His Watch Is Ended” after the break.

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read A Storm of Swords. As such the post itself and the comments will contain spoilers. If you haven’t read ASoS yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book reader recap. Thanks!

Summary time! The episode opens on Jaime and his hand. He collapses off of his horse, but comes up ready to fight. Unfortunately for him, being tired, hungry, out-maned AND missing a hand means he isn’t able to do much. Later, he and Brienne talk where we see the beginning of a sort of “mutual appreciation” for each other.

In King’s Landing, Tyrion visits Varys with revenge on his mind. Varys shows him that revenge is a dish best served cold. Later, Varys learns from Ros that Littlefinger may be attempting to spirit Sansa away from King’s Landing. So Varys proposes a match to Olenna Tyrell. Elsewhere, Margaery and Joffrey visit the sept of Baelor where Marg finally gets Joffrey to come out of his horribly twisted and warped shell. Cersei takes notice of this and runs to tell daddy, only to get a verbal smackdown a la Tyrion.

Somewhere in the Riverlands, Arya is taken to meet the leader of the Brotherhood, Beric Dondarrion. There Arya names the Hound a murderer and Beric charges him to a trial by combat.

More parts unknown, Theon and his rescuer are making their way through the woods and then into the sewers. Theon is confessing everything. And oh, look at that, Theon got played like a fool. His “rescuer” has brought him back to the torturer’s chamber.

Far to the North, the Night’s Watch is still at Craster’s, nursing their wounded. Rast and some of the others are getting restless. Burn Gorman, apparently playing a Night’s Watchmen named Karl, thinks Craster is withholding food from them. Things escalate quickly when he calls Craster a bastard one too many times. Karl kills Craster, Sam runs to rescue Gilly, Rast takes the opportunity to literally stab Mormont in the back. And now his watch is ended…

In the epic final scene, Daenerys goes to trade a dragon for an army. Only, surprise! Dragons don’t easily switch owners. Kraznys gets his face melted. The rest of the masters get killed by the slave soldiers they trained. After the slaughter, Dany frees all of the Unsullied and then says they can go free if they wish. Every soldier remains and the Khaleesi has her army.

What I Liked
‘Valyrian is my mother tongue’ – Yesssss! Dany kicking some ass and taking some names. I like it. The moment when she revealed she could speak Valyrian was the best, for me. The look in her eyes. The look in Jorah’s eyes. The look in Kraznys’ eyes. The whole scene was perfectly staged and executed. The CGI visuals were icing on the cake, really.
Backstory! – I liked getting Varys backstory and then finally, finally hearing about the Targaryen babies. I suspect the latter will be talked about even more next season, but I’m glad they finally brought up this hugely important piece of history.
Margaery – Natalie Dormer continues to kill it as Margaery. She is the Alfie Allen of this season, the breakout performance you never quite saw coming.
The Lightning Lord – Look out, Jorah Mormont, there is a new contender for most awesome voice in the show. Richard Dormer as Beric looks and sounds so awesome. I’m just bummed that we have to wait another week to see the fight that they’ve been teasing in the trailers for months.
Ramsay- Despite appearing in a few episodes before this, tonight we actually got to meet the Bastard of Bolton. The look on Rheon’s eyes say it all…. this dude is fucking nuts.
And Now His Watch Is Ended – Poor Old Bear. A tense scene. Burn Gorman did well in his extended cameo appearance. I loved that Mormont was badass enough to turn on Rast before dying. I only wish he would have had time to kill the treacherous bastard.

What I Didn’t Like

Varys the Ruthless – This new scene was cool, but I wish that they would have saved the reveal on exactly how cold-blooded Varys can be for later. No spoilers, but that was quite a shocking moment in the books.

Overall, another very strong episode. What did everyone else think? Share your thoughts in the comments and rate the episode in the poll!


530 Comments

  1. Ash
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    First & hodor!

  2. Josla
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    First

  3. LordDavos12
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Holyyyyyy shit that ending was awesome.

  4. Watson
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    A dragon is no slave.

  5. Aziraphale
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Oooooh…CHILLS at the end!

    Loved the Varys vs. Queen of Thorns tete-a-tete too!

  6. Lexyvil
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting episode!

  7. Clob
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Daenerys Stormborn has arrived! One of my most anticipated scenes in the series done fantastically!!

  8. Arthur
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Best episode ever!

  9. rukie44
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Burn baby burn!! Hell yea, go Khaleese!

  10. coronaking
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Wow! I had goosebumbs when Sansa was promised a life in Highgarden and then again when Daenerys freed the Unsillied. Amazing episode!

  11. Serjeant Grumbles
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Curtain call for James Cosmo

  12. Rahbur
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Fucking. Daenarys. That is all.

  13. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Emilia!!!!!!! *still in tears over the awesomeness*

  14. Anguissette1979
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    ALL THE FEELS! I literally had chills during the Astapor scene. It is probably one of my top three scenes in the whole books series and they pulled it off phenomenally.

    Valyrian sounds so beautiful as spoken by Dany!

  15. SHK12344
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Loved the show, but no Jon Snow. Me very sad

  16. David
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I love how the credits used elements of the season 1 finale song, when the dragons were first born. Ramin Djawadi is firing on all cylinders.

  17. Eric
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Best Danny episode yet?

  18. scottinnj
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    So far I’m really enjoying HBO Margarey Tyrell as compared to the book version. The “I want to be The queen” line has really set up Natalie with a great charecter

  19. Scott Glennon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Craster’s Keep! Seven Hells!
    “Valyrian is my mother tongue” Line of the night-on a great night!

    For Winterfell!

  20. KingJon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Best Ever! Loved every second of it. Everyone was awesome. Loved the Theon line of “My real father died in King’s Landing”

  21. Mike Chair
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Sorcerer in a box? Whatever.

    There’s nothing sexier than a woman with an army of 8,000 eunuchs.

    Kraznys is TOAST!

    Daenerys is in it to win it!

    THAT was the best thing I’ve ever seen on television.

  22. robb17
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    OMG the Dany scene was so freaking awesome. when she revealed that she could speak Valyrian and is the blood of old Valyria. DAMN!
    i am also liking the way they are handling Bran’s dream. not exactly like the books but still good.

  23. gswelcome
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Amazing episode, even going to all the characters except Jon Snow didn’t distract me one bit. Best of the season so far and the ending blew me away. Sad there is only 10 episodes to experience.

  24. bwise
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Awesome show, it just keeps getting better. I read the books and it still has me sitting on the edge of my seat.

  25. Ryan E
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Awesome… Astapor and Craster’s Keep were spot on perfect dramatizations of the book. Great episode!

  26. Clob
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t remember all of Dany’s party not knowing she could speak Valyrian in the book. Whichever, this way was great. The expressions on their faces, much like what I imagine was on many non-readers faces, was priceless.

    I honestly thought the episode was going a little slow up to the mutiny. Admittedly though, I think I was so anxious for the final scene that I just wasn’t patient enough.

  27. Tyler
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Aaaaaand THIS is why Daenerys has gotten my vote from the moment I read her name on the page (Okay, not really, considering I couldn’t pronounce her name the first time I saw it). Awesome episode in all, and I just want to go back and watch and rewatch the Daenerys scene over and over. Although, to be fair, her scenes are always my favorite.

  28. Carlos
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Awesome episode, the best this season and in the top 5 for the series.

    From the start with Varys opening the “package” to Daeneris being bad ass.

    Will watch again in an hour, just awesome!

  29. Lefty
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Nobody speaks Valyrian like Daenerys. Well done Emilia!

  30. Yago
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Iwan Rheon _O_
    Loved the piss drinking.

    And that final shot :o CGI budget increased immensely methinks.

  31. I'm Unsullied
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m FREE!!!!! Whatever the hell that is.

  32. Spryte
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Awesome episode! I just.. feel like there was so much hype around this episode that the first half dragged a bit. My non-reader friend even fell asleep. Dany’s scene was epic though.

  33. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Khaleeeeeeeeesiiiiiiiiiiiii! Oh the awesomeness! The fire, the screeching Drogon! LOVED IT! AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGH NERRRRRDGASM!

  34. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t seen the episode yet (it doesn’t air for another 8.5 hours in Australia), was there any mention of the Guest Right in the mutiny scene?

  35. angelicadiablo
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Was that Pyat Pree in the box?

  36. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Great episode, but I really hope they find some way to start driving home how utterly beyond the pale it is to break guest right in Westeroi culture, and soon. The Old Bear declares them all accursed for breaking it when they kill Craster, which is now an opportunity lost.

    A good part of the shock value of the Red Wedding stems from precisely the fact that they supposedly made themselves ‘safe’ by eating of Frey’s bread and salt. Viewers should feel that no less than readers.

  37. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    I still don’t like Natalie Dormer as Margaery, and think she’s eating screen time that could be used with other characters, but whatever, this episode rocked.
    I loved Varys and Olenna, and also…A dragon is no slave!
    Poor Old Bear indeed :C gonna miss him.

  38. Scott Glennon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Ryan E,

    Agreed! I was caught by surprise that one my favorite lines, “A dragon is not a slave” was in Valyrian! Bonus points for that!
    Beric, Dany, Loras & Sansa? LCMDR Mormont?!
    …Geeking out…..

    For Winterfell!!

  39. House Snow
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    I loved when they started tapping the spears. That was awesome. Dany did well in her Mel Gibson moment. Valyrian sounds awesome as a language.

  40. Jamb0
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Goosebumps man, holy shit!

    Really curious to see where that Varys/sorcerer story is heading.

    The scene with Cersei/Tywin was hilarious. Can’t wait to re-watch the episode in an hour.

  41. David The Grey
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Wow, my pulse is still pounding and my gooses are still bumping! What an episode! I loved every scene. What I really found amazing was the attention to the faces this episode – from Jaime’s despair & futiilty (and Brienne’s worry & thoughtful strength) to Cersei’s confrontative glares at her father, to Mormont’s surprise at blood coming out of his mouth even. Very powerful acting & directing in this episode! And what a score at the end! Awesome. I feel like we’re at Episode 9 already, it’s that good. Might be my favorite episode so far in the entire series. Have to watch it again!

  42. arden
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Burn Gorman was dope as hell!!!!!!! Wow

  43. CG
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    So much awesomeness packed into one episode! A highlight for me was, once again, Brienne and Jaime. “You got one taste of the real world…” She is nailing that!

    Lots of Varys in this episode, as well, another of my favorites! Some great stuff for him to do here, I love all his scheming.

    Natalie Dormer is stunning as Margaery, and I have to hand it to Sophie Turner – the look on her face when promised Highgarden and Loras just about broke my heart into little pieces.

    The outbreak of violence at Craster’s keep was as taught and tense and shocking as I had hoped, and Lord Commander Mormont went out with a bang. He will be missed!

    And of course, the Dany reveal. Dracarys, indeed!!

  44. Loki
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Dracarys was a huge disappointment.

  45. Yellow Dog
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Nothing Alfie Allen can do will make me feel anything but white-hot burning hatred for Theon, but damn you NCW for making the tiniest thought pass fleetingly through my mind that Jaime might possibly not be 110 percent a shit.

    Edit: Nevertheless, Gwendolyne totally stole the “Eat!” scene. Just the look on her face should be enough to nail an Emmy.

  46. Bruce Tyrell
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    There will always be some book readers who may be disappointed that some things don’t go down exactly the same way as the book, but I think this is one of the best episodes EVER! UNSULLIED! Dany tossing away the whip and having it trampled was classic as was, of course, the moment she began speaking in Valyrian. Awesome TV. Going to miss the Old Bear though…

  47. From Chaos
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Chills!!!!! The Craster/ cave/ and Dany scenes were absolutely amazing, that might be my favorite episode of the whole series. The scale of that last scene and Emilia’s acting were perfect perfect perfect.

  48. Hand of Jaime
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Dany’s scene was sick but I’m so glad to see the Bastard of Bolton drop the hammer on Theon! He gets Theon emotionally breaking down right in front of him, only to lead him back to his nightmare. Unreal!

  49. Jamb0
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    And that music during the final scene, at the army was marching out…..just perfect.

  50. Haymaker
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Knocking it out of the park this season!!! Great episode!

  51. Clob
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Sorry that we’ll have to have a curtain call for James Cosmo. I feel he filled his part like nobody else could. So glad they got him for the role and it’s just one more character that I wish could have lasted longer. Great job, James!

  52. Andrew
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    The look of pure manic joy on Ramsay’s face … oh that was good. So, so good.

    And I really liked Alfie’s bit before, too.

  53. Dan
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Man, that was friggin awesome.

  54. David The Grey
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Serjeant Grumbles: Curtain call for James Cosmo

    And for Craster’s Robert Pugh, the man with the best “sick (in the head) old man laugh” I’ve ever heard.

    I loved how Cosmo went out though, he had an awesome death scene. I only wish he could have killed Rast in some brutal fashion. I’ll miss the Lord Commander!

  55. Anguissette1979
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Tyler,

    This is why I posted on my FB page today, “Team Targaryen before it was cool”. :-P

  56. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I think that sadistic smile on Rheon’s face has convinced me: he will make a very good Ramsay when the time comes to truly show off how awful he is.

  57. Quowala
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    Yeah I felt like we had already seen most of it in the trailers. What we saw was good but then it just sort of cut away… too short methinks.

  58. Tereeza777
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Same as above – can’t wait to watch this one again! Burn Gorman – what a presence and voice! Wish he had more than just a cameo. That “stable boy” is getting freaky! And Dany speaking Valyrian – what a beautiful, powerful language. Loved the variation on the Fire and Blood Finale track from the 1st season and Drogon screeching at the end. Now that’s the way to end an episode!

  59. Clob
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Loki:
    Dracarys was a huge disappointment.

    Seriously?! Are you referring to the final scene and being disappointed?? It was essentially done just as in the book with just some abbreviation. What on earth were you expecting if you couldn’t enjoy that??

  60. KingJon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    I really like how they’re incorporating Bran’s family members into his dreams. And so much other stuff was great in this episode, even the Ros scene! The mindfuck of Theon escaping and then being led right back to where he was tortured was awesome. We saw our first glimpse of the real Lord Ramsay

  61. Ryan E
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Loki: Dracarys was a huge disappointment.

    I’m just going to assume this was a joke.

  62. The last dragon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Best episode since blackwater

  63. femputer
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    The Pain Yak,

    honestly i don’t think they need the guest right explanation. it’s really not that important. by virtue of the fact that the two families have come together for a wedding, no one expects there to be a slaughter. they expect merry making and a bedding. it’ll be a total shock for non book readers.

  64. KG
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    That was a pretty sweet episode :D

  65. David The Grey
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Yellow Dog: Edit: Nevertheless, Gwendolyne totally stole the “Eat!” scene. Just the look on her face should be enough to nail an Emmy.

    This episode deserves many Emmies… I sure hope it gets the shit nominated out of it (and goes on to win ‘em, too!). I do think this was my most favorite episode in the series so far.

  66. We do not Hodor
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Fucking a, that was epic!!!!

  67. Rodrigo
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    WTF!! The whole episode was awesome!

    - Jaime fighting in the mudd and reacting to the loss of his hand, his dialogue with Brienne.. Varys’ background story and (surprise), the sorcerer inside the box.. Margaery and Joffrey at the Septon.. The bastard of Bolton.. The arrangements on Sansa’s wedding (soon to be frustrated by the Lannisters).. Craster’s keep and Sam’s escape with Gilly.. EVERYTHING DONE ALMOST PERFECTLY!

    And then of course one of the most awesome moments in the whole story in the end with Dany.. Can’t wait to see all that again, but it got me thinking, which is the next BIG moment coming for us book readers? Something big before the RW? Maybe the climb, something else?

    (almost forgot about that excelent dialogue between Tywin and Cersei, it really must suck to be a baby Lannister!)

  68. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    This was why I named my cat Dracarys. They nailed this in every aspect and I will need to watch several more times.
    The Theon/Ramsay scene was awesome. Alfie got do some actual acting instead of just screaming and running. Iwan Rheon was so great. The way he turned on a dime from friend to psychopath gave me chills. If I hadn’t known who he was I probably would have been starting to think he was a genuine good guy.
    The death of LC Mormont makes me sad, but well done and shocking scene even for a book reader.
    So much Varys! I loved hearing the story FINALLY. Thanks, GRRM for teasing it in Blackwater so they would have to do that. Is Ros going to take the place of Dontos with LF out of town?
    Loved seeing Olenna and Margaery double teaming Cersei and Joffrey.
    I was hoping to see a Tywin/Cersei scene since we didn’t get one in ASOS. Yay!!
    My only quibble is that they are still on this Pod thing? I hope this is actually going somewhere and isn’t just a waste of time.
    I could rhapsodize more about dracarys scene, but this post is already too damn long!

  69. Mariamb18
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Absolutely awesome. Acting was superb.

    Alvie was perfect. That line – my real father died in KL – broke my heart. Loved Maisie when she is accusing the Hound. And we hear about the murder of Aegon and Rhaenys. Love the Brotherhood. They can hang out at my house any time. Jaime & Brienne – amazing.

    What an episode! Let the haters hate – I loved it.

  70. I know Nothing!
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    excluding blackwater this is arguably the best episode of the series… craster’s keep was shot to perfection and the ending reached new heights of epicness… after pulling off that scene I have no doubts they well be able to pull off the hound vs. beric next week & the red wedding later on hope we get to vistit Davos in his cell next week; Dragonstone is one of my favorite storylines and I hope it gets its proper due… Hats off to D&D they are bringing these books to life better than I imagined anyone could, can’t wait for next week!

  71. House Snow
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Also Hound just gets more and more awesome.

    Another good thing is we got a lot of red priest talk b/t Varys and Dondarrion-really llike the way they are working that into the show

  72. AA
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Kahleesi dropped the whip like dropping a mic – someone make a GIF now, please, thank you

  73. House Snow
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    One interesting thing about Dran scene is that it LOOKS like he is just having a dream but I think he is actually seeing into the past.

  74. bryon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    I couldnt agree more that Natalie Dormer is killing it as Margery. I was talkong to a friend a couple of weeks agonand said Dany does know Valarian in the books right? Yes indeed she does.

    I can’t wait to see how Dondarians scenes next week.

    In ASoS wasn’t sansa peomised to Willis Tyrell?

    Vary and the Quuen of thrones are just fantastic.

    I agree with WiC that showing how ruthless Varys is shouldn’t have been played out yet.

    Still an excellent episode.

  75. Friend of Fire
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    valerian is my mother tongue” absolutely loved this episode, Dany’s scene is why she is my favorite character D&D pulled it off very very well

  76. Kyrion
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Rast said hes coming after Samwell.

    Samwell runs into Wights, and we know how this goes. I’m thinking when Rast catches up to Samwell, Hell attack but be killed by a white walker from behind, and thats when we get the Sam the Slayer scene. Later when Sam runs into Coldhands, Rast will be the wight that Sam cant kill but Coldhands will. Something like that XD

    Rast will take Small Pauls place basically

  77. Ed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Hey!! Our first troll!! They’re so cute when they’re young! GTFOOH!!

    Loki:
    Dracarys was a huge disappointment.

  78. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    femputer,

    But it is needed, as it makes the event so much more than just a devious plot, it makes it a full on crime against Gods and men, condemned by all.

  79. Ed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Yep. In case you haven’t noticed, the TV differs from the book at times.

    bryon:

    In ASoS wasn’t sansa peomised to Willis Tyrell?

  80. KG
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Ed:
    Yep.In case you haven’t noticed, the TV differs from the book at times.

    /GASP! :O

  81. PP
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Epic episode! Best 4th episode of all the series so far!

    I liked everything in the episode, but these were my favorites:

    1- Dracarys! Needs no explanation.
    The dialogues, the shots, the action and the plot consumation! Everything perfect!

    2- Mormont’s death was a really awesome scene! A pity we didn’t get to see him killing Rast!

    3- Ramsay’s mindfuckery on Theon. Damn it, Iwan Rheon is good, a total psycho!

    4- Jaime fighting against the Bolton’s men.

    5 – Tyrell’s marriage plot. Diana Rigg is amazing as Queen of Thorns.

  82. coronaking
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    femputer,

    But it is needed, as it makes the event so much more than just a devious plot, it makes it a full on crime against Gods and men, condemned by all.

    They could still put the information into the show. Sam could tell it to Gilly while they run south. “But we ate Crasters bread and salt! It means we were under guest right!”

  83. gswelcome
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Only part I felt a bit let down on was lack of crowd of slaves shouting “Mother! Mother!”. Small complaint, overall amazing stuff.

  84. Dallavalamp
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    I echo everyone’s sentiments on this being an amazing episode. I was waiting for Dany’s scene and glad it was at the end. Gorgeous warrior!

    In the preview for next week, I am confused about Locke presenting Jaime to Roose Bolton at Harranhal. How are they going to reconcile this? Is the Bear and the Maiden Fair going to be done by Roose? Maybe that will make him seem MORE like he’s with the Starks and then the RW betrayal will seem even worse. My brain is spacing, But I thought Jaime and Brienne escape Vargo after the Bear incident and he eventually gets to King’s Landing. Maybe Roose will exchange Jaime’s freedom for Dominion over the North. I do not know where this changed storyline is headed. Any thoughts?

  85. gisizzlah
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    One of the best episodes yet!!! Thank the seven that this episode has been the closest to the books this season….
    I especially loved that we see the inner workings of “the sansa plan” something that was more of a reveal in the books…..

    The dany scene was awesome…. much better than the house of undying in s2……

    Love that they are establishing how horrible house bolton is.. Yikes!!

    Can’t wait for next Sunday!

    Hodor!

  86. Ed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Betting money your opinions change
    Yellow Dog,

  87. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    It was pleasing they kept the Jaime’s hand necklace and the pee drinking. I’m pleased by messed up things.
    The Brightflame reference made me squeal and clap my hands.

  88. facelessarya
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    I have no complaints at all whatsoever this episode was by far the best and really kicked ass and stayed true to the books, kept the lines in and recreated the scenes perfectly. I got all my favorite characters in an episode too so that was great.

  89. Skipjack
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    This is a bit strange to say but when I was thinking on the episode, I realized my favorite parts were the ones where there were changes and I was disappointed in the parts which were the most faithful to the books. The scene where Dany takes the army then burns the masters seems really implausible when it’s played out like that. I know that’s how it happened in the books but seeing it made me feel GRRM had dropped the ball there.

    Still a really good episode. I think something interesting about the show is that there’s a ton of intrigue but it’s all right on the nose, the show never tries to fake anyone out. Like “Hi, I’m Varys, I know we’ve never met but how about you marry your grandson off to the Stark girl because it’ll foil my arch-rival whom you’ve also never spoken to? He’s a bad man, trust me.” I think it’s more like the illusion of intrigue to be honest, it’s trying to make sure everyone keeps up while letting them feel the burn of betrayals.

    I’m not complaining, it’s good TV but I think I’d like it better if they treated us like we’re smart. It’s a trade-off.

  90. Rubahtics
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I must be the only one who hates dany. No offense to Emilia who is great but the Targaryen storyline peaked for me tonight. I do not get why ppl like her so much… …oh well, still good ep

  91. Andrew
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    That episode was amazing! I really hope they get Alex Graves to do more directing in the future, he had a nice style. He and Alik Sakharov are my two favourite directors so far, I think (As well as Neil Marshall!).

    Can’t really say much bad about this episode. Some awesome Sansa scenes, some awesome Jamie scenes, and some awesome Dany scenes. Throw in the Queen of Thorns, Varys, and Tywin, and it’s pretty much hit all the targets for me.

    The Dracarys scene was absolutely amazing. Can’t wait to rewatch it. High Valyrian sounds really awesome as well. It was just…It was so perfect.

  92. T
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    that episode was SOOOOO good.

  93. Ryan E
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    gswelcome: Only part I felt a bit let down on was lack of crowd of slaves shouting “Mother! Mother!”. Small complaint, overall amazing stuff.

    Wrong slave city.

  94. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Rubahtics,

    Hahaha.

    No, you are not the only one who hates Dany. You are far from the only one who hates Dany.

  95. ChristineMarie
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    This episode was epic! I was cheering for Dany, and I don’t even really like Dany! I find I like her more on the show than in the books, though. Maybe because I love Emilia.

    I do miss the old days, when there was a character called Jon Snow. Whatever happened to that guy? The first season led me to believe he would amount to something. Such a shame …

  96. Dallavalamp
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Never mind. I’m an idiot. I remember what happens with the whole storyline that I list below. I had forgotten some things about the book. Please ignore with the great comments. Carry on.

    Dallavalamp:
    I echo everyone’s sentiments on this being an amazing episode.I was waiting for Dany’s scene and glad it was at the end.Gorgeous warrior!

    In the preview for next week, I am confused about Locke presenting Jaime to Roose Bolton at Harranhal.How are they going to reconcile this?Is the Bear and the Maiden Fair going to be done by Roose?Maybe that will make him seem MORE like he’s with the Starks and then the RW betrayal will seem even worse.My brain is spacing, But I thought Jaime and Brienne escape Vargo after the Bear incident and he eventually gets to King’s Landing.Maybe Roose will exchange Jaime’s freedom for Dominion over the North.I do not know where this changed storyline is headed. Any thoughts?

  97. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    gswelcome:
    Only part I felt a bit let down on was lack of crowd of slaves shouting “Mother!Mother!”.Small complaint, overall amazing stuff.

    That’s Yunkai, not Astapor, and check the name of episode 9 if you have doubts as to whether you’ll see this scene.

  98. sig79
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Awwww, still no Sam The Slayer :/. I wonder when/if we’ll ever get it.

  99. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Best episode ever!

    This episode exceeded my expectations. The pace was balanced for full effect and
    the scenes ( most of ) well scripted. Best episode so far in 3.45 seasons.

  100. bufkus
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    where did the name Karl come from? Was he addressed as Karl on the show? Or is that information directly from someone who worked on the show?

    Just wondering, since the GoT wikia was updated and lists the character’s name as Dirk based upon his role in the novels, however name changes for minor characters are common, so it would not surprise me if Karl is the actual name on the show.

  101. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    There doesn’t need to be tons of mention of the guest right. It would telegraph the RW too much. Catelyn reminding Robb to be sure and eat the bread and salt should suffice.
    I wouldn’t mind hearing the rat cook story though.

  102. Loki
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Why everyone votes for 5 stars? It was the shittiest episode of the season and one of the worst in the entire show. Even Garden of Bones was better, that’s how bad this episode is.

  103. We do not Hodor
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar:
    Khaleeeeeeeeesiiiiiiiiiiiii! Oh the awesomeness! The fire, the screeching Drogon! LOVED IT! AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGH NERRRRRDGASM!

    I had three. Maybe more.

  104. natehilk
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Lord Tywin scenes are still my favorites. He keeps laying the lumber and I keep eating it up. I could listen to him read the phone book.

  105. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Andrew: The Dracarys scene was absolutely amazing. Can’t wait to rewatch it. High Valyrian sounds really awesome as well. It was just…It was so perfect.

    So much awesomeness in that scene, and it didn’t feel rushed. I had goosebumps.
    Best scene nomination !

  106. persephone88
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    No love for the Hound? I thought he nailed it with the Brotherhood!

  107. John W
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Wait back up. When does the Varys and the box scene happen in the books?

    What book and chapter?

  108. Genevosey
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    That was the key for me. It was a great set up for the whole promise me story

  109. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Yep, that is Ramsay!

    Great episode. Easily one of the top 5 of the series. I’m not even a Dany fan, but even I had a big grin on my face during that final scene. Minor quibble, but why has the show elected to not name the Dragons? That ‘dracarys’ scene was nearly exactly like in the books except she didn’t call out ‘Drogon, dracarys!’ Oh, and she didn’t smack Kraznys with the whip. But how can you complain about such a scene?

    Jaime and Brienne were great as usual. Loved seeing Jaime get a hold of a sword, and he didn’t exactly embarrass himself.

    Didn’t really love the Theon ‘redemption’ monologue. He hasn’t went through enough for him to start realizing how much he fucked up yet.

    They stuck pretty damn close to the exact dialogue from the books during the cave scene, and it was fantastic. Can’t wait for next week’s trial by combat.

    I love how great the KL stuff is even though almost all of it is original material. They have definately stalled and expanded on the storyline and I think it is working quite well. They will have no problem stretching two season’s worth of material from ASOS.

  110. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack:
    This is a bit strange to say but when I was thinking on the episode, I realized my favorite parts were the ones where there were changes and I was disappointed in the parts which were the most faithful to the books.The scene where Dany takes the army then burns the masters seems really implausible when it’s played out like that.I know that’s how it happened in the books but seeing it made me feel GRRM had dropped the ball there.

    I’m ashamed to admit I’m not normally the best at spotting schemes in these books before they come to fruition, but to me Dany’s little stunt at Astapor struck me as one of the most obvious things ever to appear in the series and made the slavers appear astonishingly dim-witted, both in the books and the TV series. What kind of total moron sells the totality of his army to someone in exchanging for one of the most valuable things in the world…a prize he now has no ability to defend?

    It was always a bit far-fetched, but given just how repulsive Ghiscari society is portrayed to be it was still a moment that gave me a big smile.

  111. Anthony Licata
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    Nowhere. It is a made for tv scene.

  112. Jamb0
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    gswelcome:
    Only part I felt a bit let down on was lack of crowd of slaves shouting “Mother!Mother!”.Small complaint, overall amazing stuff.

    The Unsullied don’t do that do they? Isn’t that later, when Dany takes one of the other cities? Dont remember which one it was, Mereen maybe?

  113. Throne To The Wolves
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Excellent Episode.

    Everything was damn well done. Loved just about every scene. Especially

    Jaime/Locke/Brienne,
    Margery (Margery and Sansa — now that’s a beautiful pair of women),
    QOT with Varys,
    the Cave Scene (loved how they allowed this scene to breathe — took their time for info and introductions).
    Astapor

    THE BAD (STUDRIK?):
    The Varys/Ros scene was fine, but she seemed to say that the prostitutes actually gave up the money because Pod was so good in bed (and not for being hung like a rhino). If this is the case, and not the theory that Tyrion set it up (which is a cool way to go) — it’s ridiculous on so many counts that i can’t count them all. One of the main ones being: how does Littlefinger get HIS money for this little interlude. I hope this changes. Or maybe i just heard Ros incorrectly?

    Otherwise, just a yummy episode all around.

    Oh — and ya know it’s a great episode when a scene with Tywin Lannister (a good one at that) is one of less interesting scenes.

  114. Nicole
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    LOVE Ramsay’s super crazy smile. It made me way happier than it should have. and I actually like Theon.

  115. Darquemode
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    This ws a great episode with great moments like Jaime and BRienne, the massacre at Astapor, and 2, count them 2 Varys scenes of impact!

    However, a few things just did not have the impact of the books for me. Beric feels far too healthy, but next week’s “reveal” should remedy that. I’m not too worried. However the NW mutiny was… Well, it felt odd to me. No one made a move until Grenn launched himself across the room. It just did not feel right to me I guess. Plus as someone else mentioned, I think the loss of guest right made the mutiny less impactful too.

    I am a proud and longtime Dany hater, but the massacre rocked! It was just about as well executed as it could have possibly been. Near perfection! (Now, please never say “Dracarys” again in the series, Dany. Please!)

    Am I the only one a bit disappointed that so many people (especially non-readers) seem to love the big episodes most? Blackwater is not in my top 3 episodes of the season much less the series on the whole, this episode may or may not be in the top 3 of the season by season’s end. Wait and see…
    I just much, MUCH prefer the more intimate character driven episodes than the big VFX laden action episodes.

    This week’s episode extras are here:
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-episode-3×04-and-now.html

    Inside the Episode video is up on HBO.com and mirrored region free here:
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-inside-episode-3×04-and.html

  116. Mark
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Definitely a great episode. I agree with the poster above who thought the first half was a bit slow, but that it was really just because we all knew what was coming later. There was nothing wrong with it though objectively, it was mostly excellent. I also agree with the other poster that mentioned that they need to start talking up guest right soon, but I think they can still do that. Remember, we don’t need Sam there to see the aftermath of the mutiny, so it doesn’t matter than he ran off in this version. Maybe Grenn and Edd will have a conversation about it or something. Or maybe Sam will even say something to Gilly. I also think the fact that he ran off sets up Sam the Slayer

  117. Eugene Toussaint
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Dallavalamp,

    I don’t think Bolton will approve of Locke’s actions and attempt to separate himself from it as much as possible without making it obvious. Maybe even send him on his way as if he supports Lady Stark’s original plan. I assume Locke with be given the castle after Bolton leaves and do the whole bear and the maiden fair.

  118. KingJon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    The music at the end when Dany led her army out reminded me so much of the CONAN movie soundtracks. It was awesome. Gave me goosebumps.

  119. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Loki: Episode 24 – And Now His Watch Is Ended – Recap

    Ah Loki, are you not the god of mischief?

  120. redqueen
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Rubahtics,

    I somewhat agree about Dany, think she will actually turn out badly as will the Stark kids. You can’t blame them but growing up the way they have I don’t think they will end up heroes. Too much revenge.

  121. AA
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else think the letters that Tywin is writing during his scene with Cersei (where he says he is doing everything in his power to get Jaime back) are possibly to the Boltons and Freys, setting up their alliance, maybe planning the Red Wedding.

  122. Tyler
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979:
    Tyler,

    This is why I posted on my FB page today, “Team Targaryen before it was cool”. :-P

    Hipsters of Essos unite!

  123. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    femputer,

    But viewers already know Frey is a treacherous little weasel, if they remember him at all. The first season pretty well hammered that home. Readers knew it at the time, too. Betrayal is expected when dealing with him and shouldn’t come as that much of a shock on its own. Certainly without a tradition of guest right it would make Robb look like an incredible fool for not preparing for the possibility of betrayal.

    So how did GRRM help soothe some of the ambivalence about the wedding? He did a solid job establishing beforehand that in Westeros, once you’ve eaten of someone’s bread and salt, the host cannot harm his guest. Old gods or new, guest right is one of the most sacred traditions there is. Robb and Catelyn take advantage of this and so feel safe, despite Frey’s treacherous nature. Not even a Walder Frey could sink so low as to break guest right.

    That, I think, is a critical part of RW and its power. And a critical part of making Walder Frey one of the most hated characters in the books.

  124. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair:
    Sorcerer in a box? Whatever.

    I hope GoT Varys has a better stake in the power game than personal vengeance
    against magic and cruel wizards.
    The storytelling remains unclear at this point
    for more political scheming…… as it should be I guess.

    Mike Chair: THAT was the best thing I’ve ever seen on television.

    This is my second year of becoming a regular viewer of anything on television.
    Other than a documentary on Frontline or NOVA, this episode IS the best thing
    produced for television. There are many shows of different genres that led the way,
    or perhaps GoT sits confidently in their mist now, but tonight belonged to GoT.

  125. Isabelle
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    I got such chills in that last scene–have watched it over and over again and it’s still incredible. And this is only the fourth episode of the season!!

  126. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get the ‘it is slow’ critique. Is every scene that doesn’t involve action or some giant game changing reveal ‘slow’? I agree that the last 2 scenes were the best, but everything between Jaime-Brienne and the stuff in KL was pure gold. If that is ‘slow’ then I love ‘slow’ scenes.

  127. kelly
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Wonderful episode. I thought I would dislike Dany commanding Drogon with the phrase “dracarys” since she already used it last season in the House of the Undying. But I was so caught up in the awesomeness of the entire scene (which played out almost exactly like I thought it would) that I can’t be anything but thrilled. I actually had goosebumps during her speech in Valyrian. So many good scenes and acting to enjoy that I am really excited for episodes to come.

  128. thisone
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    O….M….G…..
    The ending! I’m speechless.

  129. Pat
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    Yes

  130. The last dragon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    People said that they have never shown how really good jamie is as a sword fighter. I think that was awesome how he stole the sword and was able to fight off a couple of guys for a while even though he lost his sword hand

  131. b1narys3rf
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Agree with all the praise but I need to call special attention to a gorgeous piece of work called

    THE GREAT SEPT OF BAELOR.

    Holy s**t it looked amazing. Some folks were apprehensive about it in the previews for some reason but it made my mouth water like nothing since my first glimpse of the (original) Iron Throne room.

    The show is just beautifully made in every respect. And this was a top 5 episode no doubt. What a ride we’re in for!

  132. Andy Gavin (@asgavin
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    An episode packed with goodies. Severed hands. Lots of Varys. Dondarian reborn. And the final shot, in all it’s glorious CGI of city, army, and dragons, dragons, dragons, more than made up for the skimpy (budget) battle before it. Drogon and Dany both literarily brought a tear to my fantasy geek eye. In any case, you can find my more detailed thoughts on this episode on my blog as usual.

  133. sig79
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Dondarrion looks different than the guy who played him in the first season. He a different actor?

  134. Lyn Corbray
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Amazing episode, but there had better be a TON of Jon Snow next week

  135. The DarkStar
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    The other stuff gets lost in that spectacular ending, but the Jaime/Brienne stuff was great.

    I agree With WiC: “Natalie Dormer continues to kill it as Margaery. She is the Alfie Allen of this season, the breakout performance you never quite saw coming.”

    Varys/QoT was fantastic.

    I loved the hound/BwB. I really thought that fight was gonna happen.

    And let me say, I hated Lena headey after season 1 as Cercie, and I have done a COMPLETE 180.
    She is fucking perfect.

    and Tywin saying “contribute” was so fucking awesome.

    brilliant all the way around, all though, anything north of the wall I don’t really care for.

  136. Lefty
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    “My real father lost his head at King’s Landing”

    That one got to me.

  137. Winter Is Coming
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    bufkus:
    where did the name Karl come from? Was he addressed as Karl on the show? Or is that information directly from someone who worked on the show?

    Just wondering, since the GoT wikia was updated and lists the character’s name as Dirk based upon his role in the novels, however name changes for minor characters are common, so it would not surprise me if Karl is the actual name on the show.

    A commenter mentioned seeing it on a call sheet and it was confirmed for me by one of our sources.

    John W:
    Wait back up. When does the Varys and the box scene happen in the books?

    What book and chapter?

    It doesn’t happen. But this new scene reveals that Varys can be quite ruthless when he wants to be, something we don’t really find out until much later in the books (when he kills Kevan).

    sig79:
    Dondarrion looks different than the guy who played him in the first season. He a different actor?

    Yes. The guy they cast in the first season was planned from the beginning to be replaced. He was an extra, really.

  138. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    This ws a great episode with great moments like Jaime and BRienne, the massacre at Astapor, and 2, count them 2 Varys scenes of impact!

    However, a few things just did not have the impact of the books for me. Beric feels far too healthy, but next week’s “reveal” should remedy that. I’m not too worried. However the NW mutiny was… Well, it felt odd to me. No one made a move until Grenn launched himself across the room. It just did not feel right to me I guess. Plus as someone else mentioned, I think the loss of guest right made the mutiny less impactful too.

    I wasn’t very connected to the Brienne/ Jaime scenes,it seems a bit early for
    him to singing redemption songs prior to the Bear incident or worst attacks on Brienne. Jaime’s got a long way to go for my satisfaction, but the show ‘s premise may prove
    quite different from the books. There was a bit of disconnect with Varys’s reveal
    as well, but it’s way too early to guess at what the producers have in mind for
    later seasons.
    Dondarrion seemed a clone of ser Jorah, and not the emaciated
    and bruised ( zombie) knight empowered by religious zeal. The scene was not rated
    best but it played well with the balance of other actors rounding out the scene.
    Thoros of Myr is quite different too, less serious, yet I consider the actor proficient.

    Craster’s Keep , in the haunted Forest, and Theon in the Northlands weren’t bad
    either. The storyline will continue to build for full impact.

    Y’all better Recognize Danerys ! Miss lady knows her mother tongue
    AND demands respect.I could swear I witnessed true fear on Krasnys’s face. He
    owned that role. Superb scene, and definitive episode for GoT. This season
    promised ambitious events and introduction of many new faces. The results
    have been impressive thus far.

  139. Steve
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Anyone notice the subtle acting and directing of the Jaime scene during the sword fight in the mud?

    At one point, he drops his sword and his initial reaction is to pick it up with his right hand. Then you can see the look on his face, and it’s like, oh shit, I forgot I don’t have a hand. Fuck my life.

  140. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    I thought that was the best episode of Game of Thrones yet shown – including Blackwater (and I loved Blackwater, too). After what were somewhat disappointing episodes so far this season that did not really show the sheer AWESOMENESS that is A Storm of Swords — that one delivered, PAID IN FULL.

    I could quibble here and there, but really, I’ve been dreaming about seeing this on the screen for almost 12.5 years. For the most part, they utterly nailed it.

    Thank you to D&D and HBO for this. I’m still grinning. Awesome stuff gentlemen. Take a bow.

  141. Impi
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    What’s in the box , Varys??

    Varys, what is in the box?!!?

  142. Zack
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Am I becoming more tolerant of the flaws in my advanced age or is the pacing and writing really that much better than previous seasons? Dany’s obtaining of the Unsullied, that whole arc was perfection. I’m gonna rewatch that scene alone ten times tonight. I continue to wish for a spinoff focused on the machinations of the Tyrell clan. Jaime and Brienne, shipping them so hard all over the Net I’m sure. Iwan Rheon is playing “crazy unpredictable sociopath” perfectly. Arya and the Brotherhood, love. Rory McCann is so cool. I kind of wish they’d got Beric back from S1 because this dude looks nothing like that guy, but recasts are inevitable in a project half this size, so…

    I mean if the worst I can manage is “It’s truncated as fuck and I want to see more detail and attention on everything” is that not just brilliant? I’m even loving every Ros appearance. They’re just finally giving her stuff to do.

  143. 0ken0
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Just wanted to add the the praise. I have to say, pound for pound, this may be the best episode of GoT yet. Sure there were probably better “moments” in other episodes, but at least for me, this might be the first prefect episode.

    I’m by no means a book purist; but virtually every episode has had something big or small that annoyed me a little. Not tonight. I seriously have not one complaint… and if I did, it would totally be nit picking.

    Every story tonight was well told, well acted, exciting, relevant… Seems like the show is really starting to hit its stride now! Here’s to 6 more episodes like this!

  144. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: That doesn’t happen. But it reveals that Varys can be quite ruthless when he wants to be, something we don’t really find out until much later in the books (when he kills Kevan).

    I had my mouth open when I read that chapter…….. so much to digest, gears switching
    in place………

  145. Darquemode
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if D&D will use this new sorcerer-in-a-box as a gateway to a new Varys arc post Season 4/ Tyrion’s escape?

    He is absent from much of AFfc and ADwD and will need new material to stay on screen….

  146. serum
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    unreal episode, top three for the entire series thus far, they mentioned ned again by name, every single episode since he died except one, keep up that trend, best TV program ever

  147. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Impi,

    Jack in the box (wizard)

  148. The last dragon
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Have you read all the books?

  149. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    nah, you’re just ready to do a happy dance for a change :D It happens !

  150. gswelcome
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    The Pain Yak: That’s Yunkai, not Astapor, and check the name of episode 9 if you have doubts as to whether you’ll see this scene.

    thought for sure that happened in both cities, suppose i’m misremembering….

  151. Impi
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Impi,

    Jack in the box (wizard)

    :) Thanks, I was doing my Brad Pitt on GoT dream cameo quote. LOL.

  152. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I meant to add about Jaime and Brienne ,His bad dream in the cave and
    returning to in time to rescue Brienne from the Bear Pit. Perhaps this may
    still occur to some extent, just scaled back. In any case, woo early for the
    audience to suddenly consider him a nice guy.
    For now, he’s just at
    an all point low because of his amputation.

  153. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    Impi,

    LOL !

  154. Zack
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Whatever it is, if it’s just something in the water I’m drinking, I’m thrilled either way.

    The big curiosity I have after the episode is what they’re doing with these Marg and Joff scenes. They’re wonderful new scenes but I just have to wonder at the reasoning behind it. I appreciate seeing Gleeson get to play a more nuanced character, but…They’re not going to turn him into someone he’s not. So I’m just waiting for him to somehow get wise to her puppeteering and become even worse.

    It’s things like this that make the series so much fun for readers and non-readers alike. When they add intriguing new stuff into the mix that’s often when I’m most happy with the result.

  155. Sally
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It’s just a normal complaint. People talking is alway considered “slow” no matter what. Same thing happened with Breaking Bad, if there is an episode where Walt doesn’t kill multiply people its “slow”.

    I can’t falt people for wanting action but I don’t at all agree with them.

  156. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    kelly:
    Wonderful episode. I thought I would dislike Dany commanding Drogon with the phrase “dracarys” since she already used it last season in the House of the Undying. But I was so caught up in the awesomeness of the entire scene (which played out almost exactly like I thought it would) that I can’t be anything but thrilled. I actually had goosebumps during her speech in Valyrian. So many good scenes and acting to enjoy that I am really excited for episodes to come.

    I remember your thoughts from last time, glad to see we both had goosebumps
    for these awesome scenes in Astapor. All hail the queen ! Bye Krasnys…….

  157. loco73
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    So I was watching “Almost Famous” earlier today and who do I see? Our new favourite madman Noah Taylor…soo weird seeing all these actors who are now on GoT in their previous incarnations!

    WOW fucking WOW…this was an outstanding episode! As I thought the season setup was just right. Start slow and build up…Tonight’s director, Alex Graves was his name (not really familiar with him) did a great job! Hope to have him back again.

    Dany, Dany, Dany…Mother Or Dragons…YES!!!!! That was soo satisfying! Finally we got to see Beric Dondarrion…learned a whole lot more about Varys and how patient he can be and how to take revenge. We saw the Hound afraid once again…and sadly we are going to get a curtain call I was dreading but still found heart wrenching and one curtain call I wanted to see! Great episode once again!

  158. Zack
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I hope GoT Varys has a better stake in the power game than personal vengeance
    against magic and cruel wizards.

    I’m sure. If he’s loyal to the Targaryens as we should believe from his chat with Illyrio from the first book, than anything he says to someone with different loyalties should immediately be suspect. And if he’s uneasy with magic, a fireproof girl with 3 dragons seems an unlikely ally. There’s a lot yet to be revealed about Varys, I’m sure, and I know Conleth is going to be brutal as hell in seasons to come.

  159. WildSeed
    Posted April 21, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    True. With the unraveling of detailed episodes, all viewers get to observe and
    appreciate for the first time. Tonight’s episode was wonderful, but the learning
    curve and brave fan reviews have had some impact too. Tonight ‘s episode deserved
    high merit, possibly a best episode nomination, unless the next few exceeds this.

  160. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Zack: I’m sure. If he’s loyal to the Targaryens as we should believe from his chat with Illyrio from the first book, than anything he says to someone with different loyalties should immediately be suspect. And if he’s uneasy with magic, a fireproof girl with 3 dragons seems an unlikely ally. There’s a lot to be revealed about Varys, I’m sure, and I know Conleth is going to be brutal as hell in seasons to come.

    The man is diabolical……. an onion with layers, and I don’t know the whole of his
    story. He must be aware of lady Tyrell and her manipulations, sure, but I hope
    GoT doesn’t dilute his ever evolving plans. He’s in this for the long haul.

  161. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I think different readers saw Jaime’s redemption arc start in different chapters.. I personally saw it begin with him saving Brienne from gang rape. After losing a hand I would expect him to be a bit maudlin and introspective, so I was very connected to the scene myself. Different strokes…

    I honestly never hated Jaime – even before his redemption arc began – and never felt the need for him to redeem himself. Many people hated him for trying to kill Bran, I did not. I may have done the same thing if I were him and lived in Westeros. She is one of the few characters I find

  162. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Damn just watched it again and LOVED this episode… To me this is the best episode to date everything was amazing! During Danys scene, as soon as the gate opened I got chills… I was shaking the whole time with teary eyes of joy/excitement.

    One thing is for sure…

    DANY IS NOT A WHINNY LITTLE KID ANYMORE…

    It’s official, Dany in the TV series has become the badass Dany I love in the books.

    Emilia is doing an awesome job at becoming the new “grown up, shows no mercy” Dany…

    Every other scene was awesome too but Dany was just amazing… Damn what an epic badass! I love her!!! =]

  163. Perkins
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    The women are absolutely killing it this season.

  164. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Anyone notice that Locke bears physical resemblance to Christopher Guest’s
    character from ” The Princess Bride ” ? Another guy with a penchant for torture.

  165. NDC
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Even with a hand necklace, piss breath, and covered in mud, NCW is still sexy…

  166. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Give credit where credit is due: Emilia/Dany is far better this season than in season 2. In season 2, she came across as blustering and short-sighted, more keen on making loud pronouncements of her own importance than actually accomplishing anything, ostracizing her closest supporter and making threats against people who merely had to lock their doors to kill her and all her followers. She was, frankly, an imbecile.

    Both Emilia and the writers have come a long way since then. Now she comes across as confident and manipulative, an actual contender instead of a loud-mouthed wannabe only in the game because of her dragons.

  167. Matt
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    This episode was the absolute balls. I was freaking cheering from start to finish… and WHAT a finish!

    Poor Mormont though :(

  168. Lawlush
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    The Pain Yak,

    Danny is the most annoying and unrealistic character in both the book and series.

  169. Perkins
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    right on, the six fingered man.

  170. Caro H
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Gods….. That episode 0_0 wow more epic that I would have ever imagined. Just w.o.w.

  171. Phil
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    wow, knowing what was going to happen at Craster’s made it even worse. The tension was so high. That was just amazing. I do wish Sam had stayed around to cradle Mormont’s head like in the novels. That moment is really powerful. That was probably my only tiny disappointment in this episode.

    And that final scene with Dany, just WOW. Very well done.

    Are they going anywhere with this Podrick thing?

  172. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Lawlush,

    She is definitely the most unrealistic: another of GRRM’s hypercompetent 15 year olds, only this time one that doesn’t burn in fire and has dragons and has a special lineage and is the last of her kind and is probably the chosen one and a bunch of other stock fantasy tropes.

    She can be the most annoying. She’s proven that many times.

    But there are degrees of annoying. In Season 2, she was much, much more annoying than she has been so far in Season 3.

  173. sig79
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Sophie Turner is such a great actress. She really makes you feel for Sansa. The last moment at the end of her conversation with Margery seeing her on the verge of tears of joy was really a great moment. Without her even saying a word you knew exactly what Sansa was thinking and that things may start to turn around for her… having read the books however I can’t wait to see how things play out in the show.

  174. Clob
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    I don’t know if it’s been mentioned yet, but the “interactive features” for the episode on HBO Go make note of the ‘guest rules’

  175. Jared
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    I’ll watch it again before I commit to this, but I’m pretty damn sure this was my second favorite episode of the entire series after Blackwater. And it’s close.

    Highlights

    1. “A dragon is no slave.” Chills. That entire sequence was off-the-charts incredible.

    2. The crazed, savage smile that “Boy” gave as Theon was being strung up once again. That was the Bastard of Bolton in his element.

    3. Every scene with Varys. Conleth Hill is always superb, but when he gets material like this to play (three different scenes with three different actors, two of them absolute dynamite), I’m convinced he’s one of the three best actors on the entire show. I’m sure that there will be some controversy over the deviation from the books that led to Varys keeping the man who cut him in a box. Valid concerns, but it didn’t bother me.

    4. Jaime managing to grab a sword and put up a remarkably good fight for being maimed, feverish, and hopelessly outnumbered. And then everything that came after with Brienne. The Kingslayer will rise again, folks.

    5. The Lightning Lord. They nailed this casting (no surprise there – In Nina We Trust). Can’t wait for the duel next week – flaming swords and all.

    6. The child-like glee that Jack Gleeson played up as he described how the Targaryens died (Joffrey, you precious little psycho – never change), and the way Margaery indulged him just enough to wrap him around her little finger. Natalie Dormer continues to kill it this year.

    7. “The History of Westeros” was in full session this week. The Dance of the Dragons. Aerion Brightflame. Name-checking the Mountain and Rhaegar’s children. Of course, that’ll become very important later.

    8. Tywin dressing down Cersei. I thought Lena Headey held her ground extremely well against Charles Dance. On a side note, I liked the little smile that she gave when Tywin assured her he was doing everything he could to find Jaime. That relationship may be twisted, but the way Headey and NCW play it, it comes across as remarkably genuine.

    9. The Mutiny. RIP Lord Commander Mormont, and a round of applause for James Cosmo, who imbued that every word and action his character took with the necessary weariness and gravity. I’m mildly disappointed that we didn’t see him express his dying wish for Jorah to take the black, but only mildly. I never particularly liked the way Sam went into a stupor after Mormont’s death in the books (though it was consistent with his character). The way they set it up in the show, there was no way he could stick around.

    That’s really the entire episode, isn’t it? I really don’t know what they could have done better. Maybe the Bran and Jojen scene could have been handled better – it was very brief and not entirely of a piece with the rest of the episode, but that’ll be the case for a lot of their scenes from here until Queenscrown, and it’s a ridiculously minor quibble for an episode as dynamite as this one was. Benioff and Weiss can take a bow – they nailed it.

  176. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    (*WARNING* — I’m not going to spoiler tag this, because it’s just a vague theory)

    But in the off chance that all my wild theories just so happen to be correct, there were a LOT of clues being hinted at in the Joff & Marge scene in the Sept of Baelor.

    Namely — Aerion Brightflame IS Joffrey in the “history repeating itself” theme that’s going on. Aerion was Egg’s crazy older brother (i.e. flip a coin for every Targ that’s born). And Egg is Tommen — The Prince Who Was Promised. This is all related to clues in both ASOIAF & the Dunk & Egg books. I won’t bother going into all the details here, but it’s all in the parallels between Egg & Aerion and Joff & Tommen, as well as the parallels between Dunk & Egg and Brienne & Jaime (but that’s another matter). But, in any case, it all comes back to the “history repeating itself ” theme that Tyrion speaks of (to paraphrase — “We’re all puppets on strings, dancing to the tunes written by those who came before”).

    And that whole Aerion thing hints at Joff’s true lineage — Targaryen. Because, his mother & father are Targaryen bastards, not Lannisters — the Mad King’s rape babies — not Tywin’s pride and joy. That’s why it’s funny when Joff points out to Margaery that “That’s where my uncle* killed the Mad King” — i.e. “That’s where my father killed my grandfather”.

    Lots of cool stuff going on there (either that or I’m delusional). Just wanted to point it out (especially since you happened to choose that screen shot).

    *Note: Jaime is Jon Snow’s uncle by way of Rhaegar. Another reason why the “uncle Jaime” thing is ironic.

    Also, a little clue about Craster. He’s a backwards Stark bastard. And if you spell Stark backwards, you get Krats. Add the ‘er’ suffix and you get Kratser. And Craster is henceforth a bastardization of Kratser because it’s easier to say.

  177. Eddward
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    “Look my little loves. A spider in the garden.” One of my favorite lines in a great episode!

  178. brigatron
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Steve,

    Thank you for this, it made me laugh out loud. Haha. That is exactly what one one would be thinking.

  179. Clob
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Watched the episode in full twice so far but now I’m rewatching the final scene multiple times online. Something that sticks out after reading a couple comments about Daenerys saying “dracarys” yet again is that this time she says it with a distinct Valyrian accent. A very cool, subtle change.

  180. Panicintrinsica
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Oh gods, the music. I mean, I knew what was coming in regards to Danny, and I heard people say it was great, but the music, and the way all of that was handled, just… well done D&D, so very well done. Now, on to the RW!

  181. sig79
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    I rewatched the episode with captions on and during the mutiny at Crasters someone started to yell “by the law of gods and men..” and was cut off by someone else saying “there are no laws beyond the wall”. Which brought the whole guest rights into it. A bit hard to hear cause it was said so quick but yeah guest rights were brought up albeit subtle and quick.

  182. Eddward
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    “Never knew Bannen could smell so good.” Another line that made me laugh out loud.

  183. Shan
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Dallavalamp,

    Nah, it’s the same as in the books, pretty much. The Bloody Mummers worked for Roose Bolton, and so does Locke. In any case, it’s Roose Bolton making the final decision about what to do with them. Remember that really tense dinner they had where they talked about it?

  184. db
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Theon never viewed Ned like a father though. He always feared him and viewed him as his captor so that scene was extremely OOC to me..

  185. Richard
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    (non-book reader here) Jesus Christ, I haven’t been this rocked by an episode since Ned’s death. I didn’t see Craster’s Keep going down quite like that, I figured Sam would have killed him and that was that, but to have Jeor Mormont killed and have the whole Black Watch in disarray? Wow. And now I see the purpose for Sansa as the key to the North and what power she holds. And with Dany, I knew the dragon would burn that dude, but I didn’t see how she would solve her conundrum with The Unsullied. She got to show off her power, abolished slavery, earning the trust of The Unsullied and I’m sure stories will be told and will reach Westeros of what went down. I was disappointed with Ramin Djawadi’s score thus far this season, nothing new and cool popped up yet until now, which is the moment Dany showed off her power. Epic sh*t.

  186. Walker
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    The Pain Yak,

    The show has already referenced guest right in the first season with respect to Tyrion’s capture. I just got finished watching the show a second time with the extended version on the iPad (where they show you video and extras timed to the episode). Guest right is explicitly mentioned in the extended version at that moment with a “look back” reference to the first season.

  187. LordDavos12
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    The only thing that I’m worried about now is Dany’s plot. To me, while reading, this was her at her peak…I really hope they can somehow alter her a bit so we don’t get the “ohh Daario” aspect of her which made me despise her in ADwD.

  188. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Holy crap that was an amazing episode! Soooo many excellent things taken directly from the books. Dany’s “I am Danaerys Stormborn, of the blood of Old Valyria…. etc” was SO much better in Valyrian! And the way she accented “dracarys” compared to last season was so much better as well! That whole scene just had my heart racing and a huge grin on my face!

  189. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    I think different readers saw Jaime’s redemption arc start in different chapters.. I personally saw it begin with him saving Brienne from gang rape. After losing a hand I would expect him to be a bit maudlin and introspective, so I was very connected to the scene myself. Different strokes…

    I honestly never hated Jaime – even before his redemption arc began – and never felt the need for him to redeem himself. Many people hated him for trying to kill Bran, I did not. I may have done the same thing if I were him and lived in Westeros. She is one of the few characters I find

    I hear you. I felt Jaime’s mood being disparaged about the loss of his sword hand,
    a deliberate action on the part of Locke ( in this week’s episode ). In the books,
    in spite of his arrogance he was high born and taught certain crimes as inadmissible
    against high born ladies. His character flaws never reached the calculated cruelty
    of Cersei and political ambitions of others. However his redemption process
    took time and produced a man with an open heart and mind
    . Perhaps GoT
    hopes to accelerate that. He is one of the show’s ” pretty faces ” for the production
    and popularity. Some people actually like him for that point alone.

    I may have been shocked by Jaime’s actions in the first chapters of book one, but
    I learned soon after to learn these characters for whom they are and allow their
    stories to evolve. I’d rather intrigued or surprised changing events and respect
    characters that evolve forward or recede from their roles. The reading is never
    boring nor predictable. Jaime , Cersei, Sansa , Catelyn, Littlefinger Hate takes
    away genuine respect for these characters. I enjoy the puzzle and appreciate the
    pieces to it.

    Did you notice Missandei’s face when Danerys began speaking Valyrian language
    to the Unsullied ? Definitefully a WTF moment :D

  190. Lior
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    bufkus,

    IIRC one of the members of the plot was Lark the Sisterman.

  191. johnnytata
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    great episode. lat scene of course amazing. the only problem with bad ass game changers like that is that they drown out the more subtle things that truly make this series special. the facial expressions, dramatic pauses that are just the right length, layered dialogue. forget the fights, sure they are exciting but a nuanced scene is so much more loaded with things to chew on.

    also, i am sorry but a bit annoyed when people say “can’t find anything to complain about.” makes it feel like you are watching the show specifically looking for things to complain about and just feeds into the stereotypes about book reading viewers of the show. i realize this is a review so that is what you are supposed to do, but it just sounds bad.

    finally, anyone else think jack gleeson would have been a perfect annakin skywalker.

  192. Suzaku
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    This might well be the best episode of the series thus far. So many good scenes. Just absolute perfection.

    Anyone else notice how Dany was channeling Drogo’s mannerisms at the end? I’m not imagining that, am I? It was in Valyrian, but the inflections and speech patterns sounded almost just like his big dramatic speeches when he proclaimed he’d help her take Westeros and when he killed Mago.

  193. brownsnow
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    A-MAZING! That’s all I can say. . .

  194. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Walker,

    Normally I dislike when creators take the approach that viewers are morons. In this case, though, relying on most viewers to impart the importance of a single line in an episode that aired around two years ago seems to place an exaggerated faith in the viewers and their memory.

    I say the groundwork has not been laid, Season 1 or no. I hope it starts being laid soon, and not in the context of RW itself so that it has more of a chance to sink in.

  195. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Perkins:
    WildSeed,

    right on, the six fingered man.

    And This …. Arya ” Hello my name is Arya Stark, you killed my father, prepare to die ” !

    Night all ! ” Blade Runner ” is about to come on ………… Replicants unite (:

  196. Monica
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Wow! Thanks D & D and HBO! You nailed it…

    We’ll miss Mormont.

  197. eetrebor
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins:
    (*WARNING* — I’m not going to spoiler tag this, because it’s just a vague theory)

    But in the off chance that all my wild theories just so happen to be correct, there were a LOT of clues being hinted at in the Joff & Marge scene in the Sept of Baelor.

    Namely — Aerion Brightflame IS Joffrey in the “history repeating itself” theme that’s going on. Aerion was Egg’s crazy older brother (i.e. flip a coin for every Targ that’s born). And Egg is Tommen — The Prince Who Was Promised. This is all related to clues in both ASOIAF & the Dunk & Egg books. I won’t bother going into all the details here, but it’s all in the parallels between Egg & Aerion and Joff & Tommen, as well as the parallels between Dunk & Egg and Brienne & Jaime (but that’s another matter). But, in any case, it all comes back to the “history repeating itself ” theme that Tyrion speaks of (to paraphrase — “We’re all puppets on strings, dancing to the tunes written by those who came before”).

    And that whole Aerion thing hints at Joff’s true lineage — Targaryen. Because, his mother & father are Targaryen bastards, not Lannisters — the Mad King’s rape babies — not Tywin’s pride and joy. That’s why it’s funny when Joff points out to Margaery that “That’s where my uncle* killed the Mad King” — i.e. “That’s where my father killed my grandfather”.

    Lots of cool stuff going on there (either that or I’m delusional). Just wanted to point it out (especially since you happened to choose that screen shot).

    *Note: Jaime is Jon Snow’s uncle by way of Rhaegar. Another reason why the “uncle Jaime” thing is ironic.

    Also, a little clue about Craster. He’s a backwards Stark bastard. And if you spell Stark backwards, you get Krats. Add the ‘er’ suffix and you get Kratser. And Craster is henceforth a bastardization of Kratser because it’s easier to say.

    These are some of the most crackpot theories out there and its a huge reach to try and make them fit with actual canon.

  198. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    johnnytata:finally, anyone else think jack gleeson would have been a perfect annakin skywalker.

    Annakin’s been done, but I’d sure as hell enjoy watching Jack Gleeson as a Skywalker scion with a lightsabre in his hand in Episode 7-9.

    And if he ultimately falls to the Dark Side, well, wouldn’t THAT be awesome too? Either way, the older he gets, the more he looks like he could pull that off, too.

  199. johnnytata
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:05 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: Annakin’s been done, but I’d sure as hell enjoy watching Jack Gleeson as a Skywalker scion with a lightsabre in his hand in Episode 7-9.

    i hear that. just wishing he’d have been around back then.

  200. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Forgot to add — if anyone wants to read my theories about Jaime, Tommen, Dunk & Egg, and the parallels to Ragnarök mythology (plus many, many more theories than that) — they can all be found on the Westeros forum under the screen name BrosBeforeSnows. I posted a long list of detailed theories on there shortly after the show premiered (that continued to expand and develop in the forum itself). So, feel free to skim through them if you want. Even if I’m wrong (and I’m becoming more & more confident that I’m not, as the show moves forward), they still might trip you out anyway. I really went into depth on it. Which is not to say I’m a nerd with nothing else better to do. I’m an obsessed fanatic who willingly sacrifices time with family and friends in order to geek out on ASOIAF.

  201. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Does anyone else predict D&D merging Strong Belwas into Daario?

  202. Pod4King
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    I’m assuming he’s going to blame Jaime’s dehanding on Brienne.

    Although he’s in for a not so pleasant surprise when he’ll find out Roose means to send him back to his father. Personally, I like Noah Taylor as Locke. I hope instead of killing him off, he’ll become the Mad Dog of the Saltpans in the future since Rorge has basically been pushed into obscurity in this show

    Also, loved that ending scene w/ the unsullied marching out of Astapor. That was on a Peter Jackson level of epicness.

  203. The Loon
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Besides the obvious…Ramsays psycho smile and Sansa on the verge of crying tears of joy were my two favorite moments of the episode

  204. LordDavos12
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Howdy Arthur, long time no see…

    Anyways, if they did that, Daario would at least be a more interesting character than his book doppelganger

  205. Nezzer
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    For all those that loved the music in the end, I have just uploaded it on YouTube:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhxu8LRaNdU&feature=youtu.be

  206. Suzaku
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    LordDavos12,

    Does anyone else predict D&D merging Strong Belwas into Daario?

    I’ve thought that was the most likely scenario for a while now, at least to the extent that it can be done.

  207. Dekar
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    GOOSEBUMPS

    Also, curtain call for Jeor Mormont please. Great character and a great actor

  208. Adria
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:17 am | Permalink

    Cool khaleesis don’t look at explosions.

  209. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    sig79,

    Mormont: “The Gods will curse us for this! By all the laws of…”
    Burn Gorman: “There are no laws beyond the Wall!”

  210. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    At this point I hope they do… D&D can’t leave out the duel in front of the castle gate/wall scene. I can’t see Dany’s Bear or Selmy doing it… Has to be Daario.

  211. Fawkes
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    Phil,

    I think they’re just hinting at the lord’s kiss,so when Jon does it you’ll be like “Oh,that’s what Pod did!”

  212. Scott Glennon
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    On a related note: Both James Cosmo, and Natalie Dormer will be attending C2E2 in Chicago, on April 26-28 at McCormick Place. I’ll be there for sure! If you’re in the area, stop by! GoT in the midwest! #happydance

    For Winterfell!

  213. B
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Jamb0,

    I too am looking forward to where that Varys Sorcerer storyline will take us. Someplace dark and deceitful, I’m sure.

  214. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    The credit music was epic… It was Dany’s Khaleesi theme combined with some Skyrim/Beowulf type warrior grunting in the background sound affects. Loved it, really made up for D&D’s brainfart on last weeks awful (IMO) credit music.

  215. Charles2
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    I haven’t read the entire posts as i just finished watching it. Was that guy in the box supposed to be the guy who cut Varys?

  216. loco73
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Just finished watching episode again…can’t remember the last time I was so impressed with an hour of television…oh wait… I’m lying, I’m impressed every single week when I get to watch a new episode of GoT!!! The ending shot is just breathtaking and epic and soo beautiful! I really enjoyed the scene between the Queen of Thorns and Varys, the whole scene with Sansa and Maergery…Cercei and Tywin…A great episode and a pleasure to see! 5 out of 5, 10 out of 10, two thumbs up or whatever else you want to give it…it deserves it!
    Ramin Djawadi has acquitted himself greatly for this show and the work he has been doing is nothing short of fantastic given the burden and expectations he must carry!

    PS The Sept Of Baelor was amazing, (and did my eyes deceive me or was that a statue of Baelor the Blessed? ) what a great set! We the fans would do well to remember how lucky we are to get to see all this and recognise all the hard work done by all who are involved the making of the show! Uhh and Bryenne with Jamie, I liked how she called him out on his bullshit!

    PPS And good looking out Ros…she has done well for herself! All the Ros haters can suck it!

  217. Zack
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Scott Glennon:
    On a related note: Both James Cosmo, and Natalie Dormer will be attending C2E2 in Chicago, on April 26-28 at McCormick Place. I’ll be there for sure! If you’re in the area, stop by!GoT in the midwest! #happydance

    For Winterfell!

    Thanks for the info :)

  218. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    eetrebor,

    GRRM lays ground work for red herrings surely, but he also lays it for the actual plot twists. There is a ton of clues that Tyrion could be a Targ , or Jaime and Cersei could be Targs. Not to mention other Targ bastards out there since Aerys was prone to demonstrating his power (and madness) through rape. Joanna Lannister, Ashara Dayne and who knows how many other possible mothers to his bastards…

    I have often thought the entire series is history repeating…. most notably the Great Bastards and the Blackfyre Rebellion being important parts in the “past as prologue” aspects of the story..

    I guess I am not sold on many theories honestly, but the theories Varamyr noted are far from the most crackpot I have read.

  219. Bean
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    hmm, maybe i’ll fall in love with this episode on the rewatch. Awesome things happened, obviously, but it felt like the most important scenes (Dany’s liberation of astapor, mormont’s death) came across as rushed and abbreviated. Kind of a let down given the material. They did a pretty good job of explaining the politics around sansa, but most of the big events this episode just seem to end up feeling like deus ex machine in the TV version.

  220. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Nezzer,

    The credit music was epic… It was Dany’s Khaleesi theme combined with some Skyrim/Beowulf type warrior grunting in the background sound affects.Loved it, really made up for D&D’s brainfart on last weeks awful (IMO) credit music.

    Disagree with their judgement if you want, but they said in an interview released after that episode that they intentionally put the music there to make the moment even more jarring and WTF. Far from a brain fart.

  221. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Bean,

    The final Dany sequence is nearly identical to what is in the books.

  222. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe,

    Agreed.
    They achieved exactly what they wanted

    Personally, I was not a fan of the credits version. Not because it was jarring or “punk” or whatever… I just did not like the version. However, I loved the concept and felt it fit perfectly with GRRM’s almost “punk” attitude of the series. As much or more than a stereotypical High Fantasy drum-fueled army march

    I love that ASOIAF does not follow the typical Fantasy rules and frankly I wish that Game of Thrones the series would be more like the books in that respect.

  223. Bean
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yes, and it was rushed in the TV show. They show the unsullied killing, like, 3 slavers. You have about 10 seconds to register that she just sacked an entire city. It ends up coming across as if there was no one living in the city in the first place. I guess they wanted to wrap it up in a bow in the last 2 minutes of the episode, but a scene of that gravitas deserved a bit more depth to the shots.

    It’s probably just unavoidable, you can’t get the depth of the books. But to run around the whole episode without seeing Dany once, and then to execute her entire scene so briefly and with so little context just feels disjointed. Nobody’s fault, they just have a lot to get to.

  224. Cerseislittlehelper
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Which chapter and book is this in?

    WildSeed: I had my mouth open when I read that chapter…….. so much to digest, gears switching
    in place………

  225. mcgormack
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    About Ramsay, does anyone understand what’s going on?

    I guess it’s a matter of time before things become similar to the books, but damn, there must be something I missed… if he brought back Theon to the same place, how come he didnt notice it? It’s not like he was blindfolded when he escaped or anything.

    And why would he take the risk of him escaping on the horse? What if he never found the meeting point and just went somewhere else on his own? Or what if Theon got killed by the other guys? There wouldnt be much torturing to do then.

    It’s fair to assume that Ramsay executed this whole plot to get a promotion and do the torturing himself. But how this is gonna lead to Dreadfort, I have no clue.

  226. Grant
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    I thought that was one of the best episodes of the series so far… Amazing, awesome episode. :)

  227. Violentos
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    I wasn’t too keen on last weeks episode (Episode 3), but this episode more than made up for any slight disappointment I may have had then. What a bloody brilliant episode! Dany taking the unsullied was one of my favorite parts of A Storm of Swords and one of the reasons that it’s my favorite book in the series, and they pulled this scene off very well!

    I seem to remember a scene with Brienne and the bear in the trailer for this episode though… no? Maybe I’m just going crazy. I was expecting it this episode though, but it shouldn’t occur for quite some time yet!

  228. Bean
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    mcgormack,

    Yeah, I don’t mind the Ramsay diversion but it’s all coming across as kind of a confusing mix of real and fake exposition. That whole plotline is confusing enough as is, and theyre trying to fit in real details about the Greyjoy’s family, and then also have the Ramsay character telling selective lies to Theon the whole time… seems like a bit of a stretch.

  229. Eric Niewohner
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    WOW!!! I have been looking forward to the moment of Dany taking down Astapor ever since they announced the show would be on HBO. What a beautiful job and Dany speaking Valeryian was epic, she sounded great. Loved the looks of the slavers and Joran and Barristan. The music was epic, the scene was epic and you cannot see anything like that anywhere else on TV, wow!!!

    Have really enjoyed every episode this season but this for me was the best overall episode of any season, just amazing.

  230. LordDavos12
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Violentos,

    iirc, its episode 8!

  231. Maester Mullin
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Amazing episode! What an ending with Dany! But I feel they rushed the Craster scene a bit. And Mormont didn’t get to talk to Sam :(

  232. NDC
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Episode 7, I think…pretty sure 7 is titled “the bear an the maiden fair” and episode 8 is “second sons”

  233. LordDavos12
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    NDC,

    Ah, my fault. Too much ale!

  234. eetrebor
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Sure, but Varamyrs theory (Tommen being TPwP) is completely dependent on Jaime/Cersei being secret Targs (since it was prophecied that TPwP would be of Aerys line)

  235. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    best episode this year…

  236. Violentos
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    David The Grey,

    You preferred this episode over the Blackwater episode? Come now, let’s not get carried away!

  237. David Bousquet
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Call me the biggest GoT dork ever for actually counting the unsullied at the end but the scene after astapor is torched by the dragon as it scrolls over the entire army, in each little blockade of unsullied it is right around 50, there are 4 little blocks that equal 1 big block and 3 big blocks in each vertical row. That would be around 600-700 per vertical row and just in that shot alone there are 15-17 visable rows and it leads you to believe there are more beyond the eye can see. Just there alone is 9000 plus.

    Nit-picky but hey……. lol

    Amazing episode!

  238. Mashiara
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    C’mon Hollywood that’s an Emmy episode! Awards all around!

  239. eetrebor
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Cerseislittlehelper,

    Epilogue of ADwD

  240. Joan Català
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Amazing episode. Felt like Astapor and Craster’s would have benefited from some more combat shots, especially Astapor. Definitely wanted to see Barristan fight.

    I think this is the first episode without direwolves this season. Sad.

    The show has made a giant leap in visuals. The endless ranks of Unsullied looked amazing in formation before Daenerys bought them. Well, took them really.

  241. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:06 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    LordDavos12,

    Does anyone else predict D&D merging Strong Belwas into Daario?

    Oh yes, a woman thinks that will be the case in view of the preview scenes of Daario fighting in what may be single combat. Very likely!

  242. Katsuragi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    So I’ve re watched the part with Cat/Bran about 5 times and have decided that they made changes to the scene in post production to suck the color out of her face when she gets angry. You can see a transition in the color change. Hopefully someone will make a .gif

    Looks like they’re giving a possible reference to lady stoneheart

    Anyone else catch this? It’s very subtle but it’s there.

  243. Dogmayor
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    Anyone else bothered by Brienne’s ‘you got a taste of the real world’ line? As if Brienne has seen and been through more than Jaime has? Please…

  244. argilac's antler
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    gswelcome:
    Only part I felt a bit let down on was lack of crowd of slaves shouting “Mother!Mother!”.Small complaint, overall amazing stuff.

    That’s still to come…

  245. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    Katsuragi,

    I think it was just the lighting, but it may be intentional. The way she became more angry is a sign of things to come, and as we know, Bran will learn to see the past,present and future. Did anyone else notice how Catelyn was yelling at him to “PROMISE ME !PROMISE ME!”? Where have we read that before? And it came during one of Bran’s dreams in the show. He can see into the past, people. After reading ADWD I am convinced we will learn about Jon’s parentage through Bran’s visions. This scene is already hinting at it.

  246. magnuskn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    This was incredible. :)

    The only thing that bummed me a bit out is that we very apparently won’t get the Lord-Commander telling Samwell that he should tell his son ( Jorah ) that he should join the Night’s Watch… which I think might still happen in the books later on.

  247. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    Dogmayor,

    It wasn’t nearly as bad as I thought it would be when I read about the line a few weeks ago. Just the tone of her voice made it not seem as cruel as it sounds. She was trying to to get Jaime to snap out of his state of mind, which was that he wanted to die. Brienne in the show is definately sharper than in the books, but I find her much more interesting in the show, to be honest.

  248. Book Nazi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    David Bousquet:
    Call me the biggest GoT dork ever for actually counting the unsullied at the end but the scene after astapor is torched by the dragon as it scrolls over the entire army, in each little blockade of unsullied it is right around 50, there are 4 little blocks that equal 1 big block and 3 big blocks in each vertical row. That would be around 600-700 per vertical row and just in that shot alone there are 15-17 visable rows and it leads you to believe there are more beyond the eye can see. Just there alone is 9000 plus.

    Nit-picky but hey……. lol

    Amazing episode!

    She also bought uncut soldiers and young ones in training so her army is well over 10,000, and growing :)

  249. Joan Català
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    Don’t know if anyone else picked this up, but after Jaime gets a sword and it is knocked off his left hand he reaches again for it with his right, chopped, hand first and then with the left. I liked that little subtlety. Great acting from NCW.

  250. Easteros bunny
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    Much better ep then last week, last week felt like it was a collection of fanboy moments

    Good to get back to the story

  251. JoopStroop
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Despite being a book reader, that epsiode had me thrilled and at the edge of my seat for most of the time, which is rare. Seriously, so much AWESOMENESS in this episode… Can’t even start to list things… Brotherhood scenes were good. Dany’s end plot was amazing. Craster affairs were thrilling. And of course Varys and Tywin who nailed their characters once more… Oh and Theon’s plotline was really interesting to play out. And I’m not even starting about the absolutely stunning art direction and gorgeous sets…. WOW, blown away!!

  252. HellFell
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:53 am | Permalink

    Daenerys Stormborn, of House Targaryen, of the blood of Old Valyria, The Mother of Dragons, The Breaker of Chains, Mhysa

  253. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    the best episode in season 3 so far. i was so warried about Jaime’s storyline, they already screwed his character, but now everything is great. i love this episode
    one thing that i don’t like again is Sam’s storyline. when he will kill the fucking Other?when? and if he kills, how Black Brothers will believe him?

  254. Ponzo
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Its sad that lord commander mormont doesnt talk to sam before he dies like he did in the books, to tell sam that his last wish is that his son, Jorah Mormont, takes the black and joins the night watch.

    To Quote the wiki: “As he lies dying he asks Samwell Tarly to send word to his son, his dying wish being to forgive his son of his crimes and let him come home to take the black, relieving him of his exile.”

  255. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    i’m huge Danyhater, but in this episode she was awsome

  256. HellFell
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    To all Dany haters

    http://i.imgur.com/OIiLlex.gif

  257. The Danaki
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    I loved this episode, but I was disappointed that Dany didn’t destroy Kraznys’ face with the whip, like she did in the book. Her ‘a dragon is not a slave’ line was so much better when it was screamed at the same time as whacking him across the face!

  258. Uncle B
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    Another great episode! It’s getting better and better!

    No weak scenes. Love it!

  259. Juego de Tronos
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    Very nice episode!

  260. Joh
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    I really like the sendoff they gave to The Old Bear. Just…the pause between te attack, and his reaction. Then his turning slooowly around and grabbing his assailant.

    He just had this look on his face that said

    “I am angry not because you stabbed me in the back, but because you were dumb enough to try. Your stupidity enrages me.”

  261. Strepsi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    Skipjack,

    I know what you mean how they are laying out all the intrigues — particularly Littlefinger’s, which surprises me as in the book, no one is expecting Sansa to disappear after Joffrey’s wedding.

    But I like them laying out Varys’ plot, because it just adds another layer — reminding us that Sansa is still a strategic prize, it only deepens the following scene with Margaery, removing what could have been simple and sweet into another Games play — and with her own personal motivation to see her gay brother safe, there are multiple things happening. Agree that Margaery is a breakout performance.

    In fact it is amazing that even with the kick-ass scene of the year (so far!) ending the episode, my favorite scenes are still the dialogue scenes. Amazing show.

  262. Stannis
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Jaime was wretched as fuck after what happened to him

  263. Ilia Stark
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    1. I was blown away by Baelon´s temple insides!
    The statues and the overall design,awesome!
    2. Craster´s keep scene was horrible enough! I even forgot i can understand english and just watched horrified without listening.
    3. Daenerys´s scene from start to finish was just perfect!
    My only complains are,why on earth did episode writers ignore HOW DAENERYS SLASHED KRASNY WITH A WHIP ? It would have looked awesome.
    And that the Astapoor murdering was too short.But i guess the episode was so expensive to start with that the producers couldn’t stretch the budget anymore.
    Anyways 3 more minutes of Astapoor madness would have been epic.But we have what we have…
    To sum it up,great episode !

  264. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    eetrebor,

    Right, most of his theories are just conjecture just like the large majority of theories for the books I guess.

    Personally I never subscribed to Jaime and Cersei being Targs when I read the books (even if I could see some hints it was a possibility), the more the TV series progresses, the more I believe they are in fact Targs. The show seems to have highlighted many of the Targaryen-like aspects of them all, but in particular Cersei and Joffrey.

    Plus the symmetry of it all is just so brilliant if it turns out that way! Tywin worrying so much about the goldenboy son he wants to be heir as he dismisses is “bastard” Tyrion only to have it all turned on its sie as Tyrion is Tywin’s only true heir all along. So many lines cut both ways like that, but of course that is not proof the theories as accurate. It justproves GRRM likes to lay false trails and leave options open….

  265. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Yep I caught that and loved it too. Subtle, but also necessary to portray the realism of a man used to having his right hand up to 12 hours ago!

  266. Joh
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:38 am | Permalink

    The setpieces and locations in this episode were unbelievably gorgeous.

    The Sept of Baelor, the overlook onto Blackwater Bay, Astapor, the Brotherhood’s forested hideout – I couldn’t believe that I was watching a television show.

    Also, the costume designer deserves mad props.

  267. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Skipjack,

    Completely understand and agree!

    I know the show needed to be streamlined, but as it moves on I keep thinking that D&D are too heavy-handed on the foreshadowing. Littlefinger and Varys ar both so much mor transparent in the series. However, I keep reading non-reader’s reactions to things and many of them still miss a lot of what is going on in the show and are confused by some events. Even the events I felt were too heavy-handed! XD

  268. Lord Selwyn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    A great episode all round, one of the best in the series. Superb acting from everyone. The final scene with Dany marching out with her army, the glimpse of her tossing away the whip, the three dragons circling overhead … I am sure that TV Show only viewers are now truly looking forward to her reaching Westeros by the end of this season. I wonder how they will react when she still hasn’t got anywhere near there by the end of the 2015 season?!!

  269. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:04 am | Permalink

    The Kingslayer,

    It has already been confirmed that Sam the Slayer is happening this season so people need to stop bitching about this. It is happening later in the story than the book, most likely ep. 7. And there will be other members of the Nights Watch there when it happens. They didn’t all die and I don’t know if you noticed but Rast says in this episode that he is coming after “piggy” to slit his throat. That was there for a reason.

  270. Ereinion
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    About the guest right: How would it sound that the whole thing is discussed before the RW when Northerners arrive to the Twins, but it’s done between Roose and Robb, the former asking: “be sure Lord Frey gives us bread and salt immediately when we arrive to the Twins, otherwise he can betray us”. Not sure if the viewers would still trust Freys (though symphatetic Lame Lothar can do quite much to assure that), but I believe after that they would be sure that Roose is decent and honourable (no matter what we know about Ramsay then). This way, the greatest mindfuck wouldn’t be the RW on its own, but the fact that the very person who warned not to trust the Freys would be on their side and eventually kill Robb.

  271. Joan Català
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    My only concern is that the Slaying happens when nobody’s around to see it (especially Sam’s brothers). In the books it changes Sam, partly because he sees he’s capable of epic things, but also because from that moment on his comrades see him in another light.

  272. Yellow Dog
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    Rubahtics:
    I must be the only one who hates dany. No offense to Emilia who is great but the Targaryen storyline peaked for me tonight. I do not get why ppl like her so much… …oh well, still good ep

    I’ve always hated Dany – until this episode. Finally, she looked and acted like a true leader.

  273. Phil
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice how the “boy” kept calling Theon my lord instead of m’lord, which is a reference to the scene last season where Tywin calls out Arya as a fake. Kind of a cool hint.

    Also I think that, in an onscreen form, bringing up the “guest right” would make it too obvious about what’s gonna happen. In the books it’s different because there’s so many other details going on that you don’t really pay much thought to it at the time…

  274. Yellow Dog
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    The Pain Yak,

    Overwhelming Greed. See also Wall Street, destructive stupidity of.

  275. Laura
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    KingJon:
    Best Ever! Loved every second of it. Everyone was awesome. Loved the Theon line of “My real father died in King’s Landing”

    Tears. A lot of tears!!

  276. Firstlander
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    re Pod: My only quibble is that they are still on this Pod thing? I hope this is actually going somewhere and isn’t just a waste of time.

    I think they may be setting up Pod the sex stud as a future schlong-friend of either Margaery or Cersei – maybe replacing the Kettleback that the Church accuses Cersei of banging in book 4, or the multi of cock Cersei accuses Margaery of having. Possible?

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

  277. Croccifixio
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    and that is only a taste of the book of pure awesomeness that is A STORM OF SWORDS!!!!

    man, this was a very very spectacular episode and to think its only the 4th episode. lots of great scenes and lines but was overshadowed by DRACARYS. that how awesome the episode was.

    but what really hit me the most was theon’s line,

    “My real father was killed in king’s landing”

    i mean, for the books, that hit me when he admitted he wanted to be a stark in the 5th book but the theon scenes in the tv show are the scenes skipped over in the book so it had to come earlier.

    awesome, just freaking awesome.

  278. Tina
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    KHALEESI was brillaint! just awesome! emilia nailed it!!!!!

  279. René
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    I am happy that this was the last episode that the (p)reviewers had seen beforehand. So we are all on the same level now!

  280. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Before reading any of the comments I just have to say this was my favorite episode since The Pointy End and The Blackwater.

    I especially loved the Daeny scenes. Emelia Clarke belting out Valeryian to the Unsullied while the master plays with his new dragon. I broke my face smiling.

  281. Yellow Dog
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    Ereinion,

    I like it. Too many Unsullied are already expecting Robb to die, if not the whole RW.

  282. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    HellFell:
    To all Dany haters

    http://i.imgur.com/OIiLlex.gif

    Ha. Ha. Damn, it feels good to be a gangsta.

  283. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Weird, There must have been a glitch on my cable box because I never saw the Old Bear go down. No worries I already watched my DVR’d copy three times to see Daeny’s boss moment.

  284. Kellie
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    AA,

    The FIRST thing I thought!

  285. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:59 am | Permalink

    An ew.com caption under a screen cap of Gangsta Face Dany says:

    “Daenerys (Emilia Clarke) is here to kick ass and speak High Valyrian.
    And she’s all out of High Valyrian.”

  286. Kellie
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Lyn Corbray,

    I think we might be in for the ‘Lord’s Kiss’ …

  287. Laura
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Katsuragi:
    So I’ve re watched the part with Cat/Bran about 5 times and have decided that they made changes to the scene in post production to suck the color out of her face when she gets angry. You can see a transition in the color change. Hopefully someone will make a.gif

    Looks like they’re giving a possible reference to lady stoneheart

    Anyone else catch this? It’s very subtle but it’s there.

    That’s what I was thinking when I watched it!

  288. carryboo
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Freaking awesome episode…have already watched it twice……great sets, great character development……very brooding and dark. Best bit for me was the cave with the Hound and Beric……Rory Mccann now being able to show off his acting chops at long last…can’t wait for next week.

  289. voiceareason
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Katsuragi,

    She was also wearing a scarf, which means Lady Stoneheart confirmed!

  290. rorschach-
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Lots of chills and good moments but gotta give some criticism ofcourse. What would I do without it.

    Action was subpar once again unfortunately. Unsullied were bit out of focus and seemed like extras holding spears and not like warriors that have trained their whole life. And Dany looking around while one of the most unreal movie explosions happening behind her made me giggle in a bad way.

    And whats with the ropes? Who on earth ties people like that? The ropes around Brienne were so loose that they almost fell to ground while she tried to help Jaime.

    My unsullied friend also gave criticism about Ramsay being somewhat puzzling. Didn’t realize what he was doing and why. Even though I saw the madness in Iwan Rheons eyes, I have to agree that they could have made a bigger impact with it. Now it was bit confusing for non-readers.

    Dracarys got bit of “deus ex machina” feeling. Dany gets into problem, says dracarys and all is good again.

    Gotta give special shout-out to Alfie and Rory. When Theon talked about his choices it really added nice greyness into his actions. He got dealt really bad hand. Also even though Rory hasn’t really made any mistakes as a Hound, he haven’t hit the homerun for me before the cave scene. Now the “You wanna cut my throat, get on with it. But don’t call me murderer and pretend that you’re not.” made me feel that it was really Hound in there.

  291. Mashiara
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:38 am | Permalink

    René:
    I am happy that this was the last episode that the (p)reviewers had seen beforehand. So we are all on the same level now!

    Mee too! Now everyone is on the same page, and no more bullshit hints and innuendoes.

  292. Morior Invictous
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else run into the glitch with HBO last night. The feed kept giving me problems and yes I have cable, Brighthouse. The entire Craster’s Keep part disappeared by the time I could fix the feed.

  293. Morior Invictous
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    I am with you. I thought I was the only one. I will watch again tonight.

  294. David The Grey
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:53 am | Permalink

    Violentos,

    I might have been in a mood last night, but every scene was just about perfect. I really felt the emotions of each character, and I think this was due to a lot of still moments (as others have noted). So we get a chance to really see the characters thinking and feeling. I felt that very strongly right off the bat with Jaime & Brienne, such that it made me think “Wow, what a good director!” and then I noticed it in practically every scene afterwards. It’s not that there hasn’t always been good facial acting in the series, but it just seemed stronger this episode. And because I could feel it so strongly, this episode really moved me.

    Blackwater was epic for the thrills & jaw-dropping explosions and awesome pacing… I think last night’s episode had the big moments but also a lot of such deep character work. Even this morning, I still feel Jaime’s despair, and Brienne’s sadness looking on him; Sansa’s quivering smille, so close to turning into beaming tears; Cersei’s intense looks as she goes up against her father asking for his respect (you can just feel her pain coming out of her eyes).

    Well, if it’s not better than Blackwater or Baelort, it is definitely right up there with them as my three most favorite episodes!

  295. Morior Invictous
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    same here

  296. Kasie Strickland
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    “and then finally, finally hearing about the Targaryen babies. I suspect the latter will be talked about even more next season, but I’m glad they finally brought up this hugely important piece of history.”

    They talk about them in ssn 1. First when Cat tells the story to Rob after he calls the bannermen- that it was done on the orders of Tywin and the “years had not made him kinder.”
    and again when Maester Aemon is talking to Jon Snow about his vows being tested, and reveals that he is Aemon Targaryen.

  297. kanjisheik
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:

    This week’s episode extras are here:
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-episode-3×04-and-now.html

    Inside the Episode video is up on HBO.com and mirrored region free here:
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/04/game-of-thrones-inside-episode-3×04-and.html

    Darq,

    Can you upload them on YouTube too?

  298. Ilia Stark
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    One more thing,Drogon eating off Krasny´s charred face was in the books and should have been made into the episode.
    I don´t get it,why did they choose to skip Krasny´s being whipped by Dany and him being eaten by Drogon?
    It would have great HBO style violence and a way yo make all of the book fans happy.

  299. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    For those who follow the TWOP Unspoiled board:
    Lloga, a longtime admirer of the show HATED the Dany scene just as I knew he would when he posted that he would never actually consider the writers would go for “the cliche comic book armed robbery thing.” I think the issue for some with that scene is that they feel its cheap even though well guess what Aegon had dragons and when the kingdoms defied him he burned them! I don’t understand how people can’t accept the fantasy elements in the show and yet praise everything else? It just goes to show that fantasy has a long way to go before people start not dismissing what they perceive as ridiculous and see the inherent metaphors. Maybe this moment will begin this era.

    I mean how else is Dany supposed to seize power if not with dragons? It’s not deus ex machina because the author sets this device up long before the necessity of deus ex machina is necessary.

    Then again Dany has her haters among the Sullied as well. In a way the show is mirroring how people love and hate different aspects of the novels.

  300. gtabbo
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    rorschach-,

    You gotta remember, as far as Ramsay is concerned, they still haven’t revealed anything yet. All they did was to show how he fooled Theon, but we still have to learn his identity and motives. So don’t spoil your friends unnecessary and give the showrunners a chance to reveal it the way they planned it.

  301. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Morior Invictous,

    Yeah the same thing happened to me on Brighthouse. I had to watch the Craster’s Keep scene on HBOGo on my phone. This was one of my favorite episodes of all and I didn’t even KNOW about that scene. How coool is that?

  302. rorschach-
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I don’t think its about if the Dragons are deus ex machina or not, but how the series delivers them. Now pretty much everytime they are shown, they save Dany from some sort of danger.

    gtabbo,

    I won’t. But just interesting that they left it there without giving away or explaining anything. I know how it goes but for non-reader friend it was complicated. I think it would have been better give at least something to chew about. Like mad laugh or something. Didn’t even need to be anything big.

  303. Joan Català
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Outside of the truly epic scenes, the scene with Varys and the box is one of the very best scenes of the entire show.

  304. Jillian
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Impi,

    You win the internet.

  305. Daniel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    Much better episode! The dragon thing was quite predictable but nevertheless awesome. Can’t wait for Beric vs Hound next episode.

  306. The Winter Rose
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Best episode yet! Or at least… my favorite, rather.
    So many great moments…

    * The scene between Margarey and Sansa was wonderful – Sansa’s expression was just heartbreaking. Sophie played that moment so well – everything was there in her eyes. You could feel the relief and hope underneath all that sorrow. I just wanted to reach through the screen and give her a hug.

    * Brienne and Jaime scene was brillant as always. I love watching these two, they really do an amazing job.

    * Dany unleashing some fire and blood. The whole scene was amazing, but there was one subtle moment that stood out to me – after the slaughter, Selmy and Jorah look up and watch Dany standing in the dust with her frame darkened and outlined by the sun behind her. It was a beautiful shot.

  307. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Lloga’s point, I think, was not about the dragons. Insofar as there’s a deus ex machina there — and I agree that’s an unnecessarily harsh verdict — it’s that the slavery doesn’t see I it coming at all when so many viewers did.

    It would be nice if they’d had time to show a little more how it’s his rabid sexism, and the sexism of the entire region, that made it impossible to see the threat Dany presented. But there’s enough there to defend the idea that he shouldn’t have seen it coming, as a number of unsullied have. Given the limited screen time, I think that’s just how it goes though.

  308. Yellow Dog
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    rorschach-: When Theon talked about his choices it really added nice greyness into his actions. He got dealt really bad hand.

    Nope. He chose freely to betray “my real father” and Robb, chose freely to murder Rodrick Cassel, chose freely to murder two orphan boys and tell everyone they were Bran and Rickon (thus leading directly to the RW.) He chose Balon and the Iron Islands over the Starks, but then managed to fuck that up, too.

    Still no sympathy here.

  309. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    As much as I LOVE the final Daeny scene it would have been cool to have a battalion of archers on the battlements of Astapor as a routine security measure against just such an eventuality. Then have them start shooting and then be cooked by Drogon and the other two when Daeny shouts Dracarys.

    It also leaves me wondering about logistics again. How does she feed this army and bring it to Westeros? What happens to all the unattended and now supposedly FREE children? Do they simply starve when she strips the city and leaves or will she have to feed them to and police the place and get stuck there for the rest of the season??

  310. marta
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    It was epic!!!! best epi ever!!! can’t wait for more..

  311. NONBOOKREADER
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    LOL…. some of the book readers on here are funny….

    I do think this is by far the best ep of this season. I had NO IDEA of what was going to happen at Crasters…wow!!!! and now i’m starting to feel sorry for Jaime and the Greyjoy….this bastard guy seems to be pretty twisted. I wonder what RB will say about Locke taking JL’s hand…..interesting…

  312. Nick Larter
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    The sorceror in a box riff is a very neat foreshadowing of how Varys is going to get Tyrion out after the quarrel on the dunny with Tywin

  313. Silverstormm
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    I’m Unsullied:
    I’m FREE!!!!!Whatever the hell that is.

    LOLs – FTW!

  314. alex
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Poor jaime , his been dragged through the mud for the better part of these 2 seasons , i wonder how much they pay nikolas for playing him, nasty bussiness…

  315. Kroket
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Zhadrizaz Buzdaris Goz Da Or! Wow! That was bad ass!

    Easily the best scene of the series so far (that music helped!)

    This episode is right up there with Blackwater for best episode of the series so far too.
    Nightswatch, Margaery with Sansa and Joffrey… Varys… Jaime’s new reality. Too awesome!

  316. Iron Born
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Remember season 1 ep 1…dany scared to death of her weakling brother trying to disappear in the hot bath? We have come a long way baby

  317. Javi Marcos
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    As good as Blackwater. 10/10.

  318. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    I can’t quite agree. The beginning of that scene is dope, though perhaps not as ominous as it would have been before Blackwater, and the end was pretty wild/badass, but the middle was an excellent example of one of my consistent quibbles with the show: so many scenes have dialogue that’s just a tad overwritten and/or unnecessarily literal.

    It’s a quibble, to be sure, and it might be down to personal preference rather than some objective truth about how to write good lines, but here are a few examples:

    Ep 1.10: Dany responding to Mirri Maz Duur’s claim that she won’t scream, Dany says something along the lines of “You will, but it’s not your screams I want… only your life.” To my ears, “only your life” is totally unnecessary there and kind of awkward to hear. “It’s not your screams I want” says plenty.

    Ep 3.3: Brienne mentioning that maybe some people “just like to overpraise a famous name.” Overpraise? Why? “Some people just like to praise a famous name” says the exact same thing overpraise would, sounds better, and is more like something someone would actually say. In my opinion, anyway.

    I said they were quibbles, right? It’s just strange to me when I hear clunky lines on a show filled with great dialogue drawing from a book with great dialogue, particularly when the lines are sooooooo close to being just right. This episode, despite being phenomenal overall and epic as shit, had a few moments like that for me.

    Varys overexplaining his hatred of magic was one of them. Did he need to spell it out in such literal terms? I mean, he’s just explained how he twig and berries were removed, root and stem, without any anesthesia and then burned in a fire in some magic ritual… we fucking get it. No need to then actually talk about how he hates magic, the metaphor he’s offered is already much more powerful, and he’s about to state how this experience means he could not have Stannis become king with Mel at his side, which illustrates the point much more sharply. Everything in between diminishes the scene.

    Less problematic for me, because Emilia Clarke delivers Valyrian so well (better than she does English, I might argue), was Kraznys saying so directly “You speak Valyrian?” It would have been stronger to have him curse at Missandei for not noticing, and maybe attack her, I think. Even less problematic still was Dany saying Valyria and Valyrian in such rapid succession. Following “the blood of Old Valyria” with something about presumption or insult in “my mother tongue” rather than “Valyrian is my mother tongue” would have been smoother, for me. But that one is really minor, and that scene was incredible regardless.

    Anyway… amazing, amazing episode, the most powerful of the series to me (if not necessarily the best), in the top 10 most powerful episodes of television I’ve ever scene, and better than a lot of pretty good movies. So, I don’t mean to overstate my criticism. It’s just in my nature to nitpick I guess. Sorry. Maybe something good will come of it eventually.

  319. Kalamies
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    The third episode left a bad taste to my mouth but i absolutely LOVED every scene from this episode! Everything felt new even though i have read all the books until a Dance with Dragons.

  320. Clambake
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I love this show. It’s the greatest and most important product of all mankind. Every scene should be studied, analyzed and broken down to herald the unprecedented phenomenon of the material being created. If this show didn’t exist my life would have no meaning. I spend all of my hard earned cash on every item of Game of Thrones merchandise in existence. This is what 90% of the posts boil down to. It is just a show. Calm down before you start convulsing fall on the floor and foam at the mouth. I’m bipolar, manic depressive, and have a touch of paranoid schizophrenia (from all that LSD, and I mean a ton of acid) and obsessive compulsive. I feel right at home with you lot.

  321. bastardofballyshanon
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Impi:
    What’s in the box , Varys??

    Varys, what is in the box?!!?

    se7en hells

  322. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Yellow Dog,

    I agree, to an extent. I think Theon is one of the best written and most interesting characters in the series, but I only have sympathy insofar as I can empathize with the mindset in which he made such terrible mistakes and did such terrible things. I don’t think the horrible bind he was in excuses his actions in any way. It illustrates, for me, why we should probably have sympathy/empathy for all manner of scummy people who do horrible things, but I’m a staunch moral relativist who’s not totally sold on the idea of prison (or of punishment, I suppose — I accept that some people are dangerous enough to be kept away from society). I think there’s a real synergy there.

  323. Croccifixio
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    regarding dany and the “deus ex machina” dragons, i think GRRM nicely developed that relationship. at the start when the dragons were small, dany could control them and she did whip them. but as they grow, they became more dangerous and dany really did had a hard time controlling them. the scene when he beat drogon on the arena with the whip was amazing since she really did had a hard time and drogon almost burned her, and in the end when she finally rode him, drogon just drop her somewhere and left her.

    that was a refreshing take since most fantasy stories have the dragons or other mythical creature be nice to their masters. and GRRM answered the looming question, will the dragons eat people? and i was really glad he went to the more “realistic” answer

  324. Strepsi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Agree, this kind of IS Dany at her peak… they are parcelling her out, because the slowness of her arc — well not so much flaws as frustrations as a viewer wanting her to succeed — are flaws straight from the books. I mean locking her dragons in the basement of a pyramid for a whole book? :( You just want to yell at her “Get on with it already!”

  325. Jess
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    AMAZING episode. The whole last act had me grinning like an idiot.
    As far as Varys’ badassery – I think it’s important to tease that he has that capacity so that when other things eventuate it’s a bit more built to… as much as I liked the Pycelle scene in ADWD, I think the showrunners are playing up to it perfectly.

  326. idkk
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Any thoughts on where Stephanie Blacker’s “Violet” fits in? Her being one of Crasters wives seems unlikely now, they didn’t really make it a point to introduce any of them outside of Gilly.

  327. Ed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    darrylzero:
    Joan Català,

    Even less problematic still was Dany saying Valyria and Valyrian in such rapid succession.Following “the blood of Old Valyria” with something about presumption or insult in “mymother tongue” rather than “Valyrian is my mother tongue” would have been smoother, for me.But that one is really minor, and that scene was incredible regardless.

    Yes, I’ll take insignificant dialogue choices for $400, Alex. LoL

  328. Impi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    bastardofballyshanon: se7en hells

    LOL, that was Brillliant!

  329. Ed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Yes! This!! And then Jorah starts to walk after her, and Selmy gives the subtlest little movement that translates (to me) as, “Damn this lady is badass!” and starts after them.

    The Winter Rose:

    The whole scene was amazing, but there was one subtle moment that stood out to me – after the slaughter, Selmy and Jorah look up and watch Dany standing in the dust with her frame darkened and outlined by the sun behind her. It was a beautiful shot.

  330. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Sorry if this was already mentioned but im not reading through 300+ comments, I tried and I just cant. But if you rewatch the mutiny scenr, Mormont does begin to mention guest right, after Gorman stabs
    craster Mormont yells “the gods will curse us, by all the laws…” to wich Gorman replies “their are no laws beyond the wall”

    Its funny to me how bad people nitpick
    about little things, “it was an amazing episode, but did they mention guest right?!?” Its not that big of a deal

  331. SwordOfMorning
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Scott Glennon,

    no way line of the night was def “youre a bastard…..a daughter fucking, wildling bastard.”

  332. Ed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Great, great points. I didn’t even think about it, but you’re so right. Good Lord we are so lucky our favorite books are being done so well. I shudder to think what a Sci-Fi version might have been.

    Joh:
    The setpieces and locations in this episode were unbelievably gorgeous.

    The Sept of Baelor,the overlook onto Blackwater Bay, Astapor, the Brotherhood’s forested hideout – I couldn’t believe that I was watching a television show.

    Also, the costume designer deserves mad props.

  333. Alen
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Holy shit! This was one of the best episodes of the show ever. Probably the best one after Baelor and Blackwater. I loved every second of it.
    Let’s start at the end… that last scene was so powerful! It’s the first time Dany seems like the most powerful person condending for the Iron Throne. Emilia was fierce. Perfect.
    I’m so sad the Old Bear died :( I knew it was coming but it was still sad to see his own people turning against him. The scene was really great and tension filled.
    The scenes from King’s Landing were perfect as well. The sept of Baelor is beautiful. That scene with Joff and Marg was so awesome… the look on Cersei’s face is priceless. Lena and Natalie are killing it! Such an awesome cast!
    I love how Varys-centric this episode was. This was probably the most we got from him from one episode. If they created a spin-off with him walking around King’s Landing and plotting, I would watch the hell out of it :) Olenna was great too! I liked her rant about the words of great houses. She is really fun. And paired with Varys… it just makes for a brilliant episode! Also, the scene with Marg and Sansa almost made me cry. Sansa was so happy for the first time ever and all I could think about was how that smile won’t last so long.
    Beric is so damn awesome! His voice… God! Can’t wait for their fight! I love how mystic that scene was… You could feel that magic is about to happen ;)
    I loved Bran’s dream. It’s so nice seeing him and Cat together even though it was a dream and even though she just screamed. It was very powerful.
    And the scenes with Jaime and Brienne were devastating… I felt so sorry for him. But I’m happy Brienne is there to toughen him up :)

    Can’t wait for next week! This gets a 10 out of 10 from me :)

  334. Turncloak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn:
    Sorry if this was already mentioned but im not reading through 300+ comments, I tried and I just cant. But if you rewatch the mutiny scenr, Mormont does begin to mention guest right, after Gorman stabs
    craster Mormont yells “the gods will curse us, by all the laws…” to wich Gorman replies “their are no laws beyond the wall”

    Its funny to me how bad people nitpick
    about little things, “it was an amazing episode, but did they mention guest right?!?” Its not that big of a deal

    People will always find small sh** to complain about. Guaranteed

  335. Patchface
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Hodor +300.

  336. Rui
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Yes, although it was a small reference.

  337. arya4thawinyo
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    mcgormack,

    Theon was in a panic escaping on horse, and Boy doesn’t lead him back the exact same path, so that accounts for that.
    Boy already had his men ready and waiting to take down Theon, and even if there was a risk – that is probably part of the thrill for Boy. He does love the chase.
    He is playing mind games pure and simple, getting theon to fess up by befriending him. Boy is literally going to play good cop – bad cop – all on his own!

  338. Greed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Woah,
    330+ comment, and no one complainted about the lack of boobs.
    And I don’t, it was a great episode.

  339. msd
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    I agree Cat’s appearance seems to foreshadow LS’s appearance at the very end of the season. The other thing that struck me (on second viewing) was her shouting “promise me, promise me” to Bran. It felt like a nice little nod to the book from D&D… or perhaps more than that, hmmm

  340. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    That is why I pointed out that they made sure to end the scene this week with Rast yelling that he will hunt “piggy”(Sam) down and slit his throat. They put that there for a reason. Most likely Rast and some other members of the NW will hunt down and find Sam and Gilly but before they can kill them the white walker will appear and Sam will slay it.

  341. Ser Sleez
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    I can’t believe my eyes, I think this is the first time I’ve been able to read through the comments and hardly see anyone bitching about how they “ruined” the episode. I’m so damn happy.

  342. Michel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Amazing!! I like how they didn’t forget the story of the Targ babies, could that be a remind of the story for the non readers when Oberyn came for revenge?.

    I love how they are showing Twyin writing letters everytime we see him. RW is coming!

    Iwan Rheon rocks it! But I thaught that his scene with Theon could be split in two, and Theon been traped again at the Dreadfort could be one of the last scenes of the episode.

    I’m also interested in these Varys/Tyrell alliance, since Varys and Littlefinger are enimies and Littlefinger is a Tyrell allie. But I’m sure D&D know what are they doing.

    The mutiny was awesome. I’m sure everyone (even the readers) felt tense when the discussion started. Please, more Burn Gorman!

    The Dracarys thing was perfect, when Dany talked Valyrian to the Unsullied, it gave my chills. But I felt the sack of Astapor could have more than minute, the fight at all only had like 20 seconds.

  343. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Still think Theons stuff this season was a mistake. Unnecessary to add another plot to an already cramped show. It maybe enjoyable for readers because they know who Ramsay is and what is going on but it doesn’t make for compelling television for a nonreader, even as a reader I don’t think it is has been very good. I don’t even think most nonreaders realize they aren’t supposed to understand what is going on. It is just a confusing mess of a storyline that feels out of place and is taking screen time away from other characters. Theon should have only gotten 1 or 2 scenes this year.

  344. Ser Hound
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    AMAZING episode! One of my all-time favorites. I’m just hoping the next couple episodes focus more on Jon and Arya’s story lines. I’ve loved this season so far, but I want more Jon Snow!

  345. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Greed,

    It was a good episode that would have been made better by boobs.

  346. Michel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Please can someone tell me about that theory of Craster been a stark bastard? I never heard of it and now I’m interested

  347. Gregory Kelton
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    SHK12344:
    Loved the show, but no Jon Snow. Me very sad

    I loved, loved, LOVED this episode. If there is one criticism, it’s this. Which is a small complaint for this particular episode, but a huge complaint for the season so far. Jon’s arc in ASoS was awesome, but it’s not really coming across yet this season. Maybe they’re saving most of it for next season.

    Magnificient episode this week. 10/10, would bang.

  348. Ser Hound
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Still think Theons stuff this season was a mistake.

    I disagree. It may seem unnecessary so far, but they are setting up one of the most evil, sadistic villains of the series. Non-book readers who don’t think there will ever be a character more evil than Joffrey are in for a surprise. I think the payoff will be huge by taking the time to set up the bastard now.

  349. Impi
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Michel:

    I’m also interested in these Varys/Tyrell alliance, since Varys and Littlefinger are enimies and Littlefinger is a Tyrell allie. But I’m sure D&D know what are they doing.

    It has been a while for me since I read, do we have that info from a reliable source? At this point I think we only have Littlefinger’s word on it, there still could have been other mechanations going on and QoT could have been using LF as her pawn, at least as far as what we still “know” in the books?

  350. Adrian
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    I think this episode is the best so far…better than Baelor and Blackwater

  351. coronaking
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    msd:
    I agree Cat’s appearance seems to foreshadow LS’s appearance at the very end of the season. The other thing that struck me (on second viewing) was her shouting “promise me, promise me” to Bran. It felt like a nice little nod to the book from D&D… or perhaps more than that, hmmm

    I think it was foremost a mirror of their last meeting in season 1.
    As can be seen here: http://tumblrofthrones.tumblr.com/post/48587710502
    Even Bran’s fall is exactly the same as in the first episode, just with other clothes on.

    But to feed your foreshadowing theory: Catelyn wears exactly the same, PLUS a scarf! Hmm!

  352. Big Bad Wolf
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    My face during the “Dracarys” scene: http://cdn.head-fi.org/3/38/386685bc_homer-drool.gif :D

    Loved poor Jojen’s face when Bran woke up. He has seen what’s going to happen, Catelyn dying and so.

    Mr. Cosmo, I just want to say THANK YOU. Amazingly done.

    Boy, you freakin’ psycho… I think we’re going to enjoy Ramsay too much.

  353. Hollyoak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    I just re-watched the episode. Who the hell is Alex Greaves?

    This dude knows how to direct an episode of Game of Thrones.

    I just looked him up: known for the West Wing, Ally McBeal, Fringe and Terra Nova.

    I wonder why he was picked to direct this episode. The GoT veterans like Alan Taylor and Daniel Minahan must have been bummed. But what do I know? I’m sure they have some awesome episodes coming up. I haven’t looked ahead to see who is directing which episode.

    Man, every moment of the Daenerys scene is flawless. Emilia’s voice in Valryian is just beautiful and powerful. You know something? If I were in Westeros I would definitely follow her.

    That wide shot when she holds Drogon on the leash, you can imagine that dragons really did exist. The music is epic. Just all around fantastic.

    But now that she has this army, non-book readers will think she’ll be in Kings Landing in a couple of episodes. But we know that’s not going to happen. Could this be problematic?

    Also:

    Who stabbed Mormont in the back?

    I think this was the best episode of the series. Yes, surpassing Blackwater.

    Blackwater was a lot of fun, and it was a technical masterpiece. But at the end of the day it’s a battle. And we’ve all seen so many battles, well-filmed and poorly filmed, that after a while, you just kind of feel inured to it. At least that’s my opinion.

    Best episode of the series for me.

  354. Rygar
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Looks like little Dany took what was hers, with Fire and Blood, surprised they did not chose to add that line in one more time. As with almost every episode this season, there are more lows than highs, but when there are highs, they really soar. LovedJaime and Theons performance. Brans story is a bore. Now I cant wait for Dany to rush to Westeros and take the Iron Throne this season!

  355. Stephanie
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    This was an utterly fantastic episode – I didn’t even realize that they left out my boy eye-candy (Jon & Robb) until long after I watched it for a second time. I find that very impressive!

    My only complaint was that when Theon was jumping off that wall and walking toward his doom, he wasn’t limping in any way. He foot was pretty mutilated a couple episodes back so you’d think he would still be gimping it a bit…

    Anywho, fabulous episode!! Look forward to getting my eye-candy back next week ;)

  356. Big Bad Wolf
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Michel: Please can someone tell me about that theory of Craster been a stark bastard? I never heard of it and now I’m interested

    IIRC, there’s some mention of Stark girls of old times being kidnapped by wildings. He could be a descendant of one of those women, but unless there’s something I’m missing, that’s all we know about this theory.

  357. Deekan
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Having seen Rheon’s crazy face I am beginning to think that Elijah Wood could have also been a brilliant Ramsay. But I’m sure Rheon will be perfect, too.

  358. Deekan
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    This episode was Varys impressive!

  359. TheWoodOfTheMorning
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I really enjoyed this episode. Conleth Hill is probably the most spot-on casting in the entire show. I loved his lengthier-than-usual screen presence in this episode. 3 awesome scenes! I didn’t mind showing his cruelty toward the sorcerer because it comes off as a personal vendetta. I don’t think non-book readers will read into that as foreshadowing. His meeting/scheming with Lady Olenna sets up the Highgarden gold found in Rugen’s chamber nicely.

  360. Door
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Dogmayor,

    Tbf, at this point she has no idea what Jaime has been through. All she sees is an arrogant and entitled man who’s had it easy up to now, and gives up the moment he suffers a loss. She’ll change her mind, in time.

  361. dizzy
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Gwendoline Christie is fantastic! Every scene was awesome this week. Even Joffrey being all Joffrey was great. So excited for some Cleagane action next week.

  362. The Pointy End
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Hi all, this is the second time I write on here.

    Why is everybody so tense with guest rights ? Don’t stress, they will probably mention it where it will not be giving away things to come, and in any case Cat stressing it out to Rob on the way to the Twins should be enough.

    Some people think they are not spoiling, when in fact they are, and very much so. In other words anything you guys type on the bastard of Bolton should be concealed. Non readers don’t have the slightest clue yet.

    Having said a couple of the things I wanted to say after reading comments, this episode was fantastic, I’ve already watched the final scene 5 times and can’t wait to watch the whole thing again.

  363. Mike
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Wow this episode was great some of the dialogue came straight from the book(s) and some did not and you know what big deal if it did`nt the spirit was there. Darn I have to go I`m looking out my window as I write my dogs,kids and my wife seem scared of something “Oh look there`s a spider in the garden”gotta go……

  364. Joey
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    as a book reader the Theon arc is great. But for newbies they have to be brain ninja’d

  365. Isabelle
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Michel: I love how they are showing Twyin writing letters everytime we see him. RW is coming!

    Yeah–it looks so completely innocuous, like the directors gave Tywin some random thing to do while he pretended to ignore his children. After RW, everyone who didn’t know what he was up to before will re-watch and go “gah, he’s been plotting this entire time!” which may make it even worse!

  366. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    I think the awesome ending is making people overrate this episode. It was good especially the ending but other than that theres nothing else about it that makes it stand out among any other typical GOT episode. I don’t understand how some people are referring to it as better than Blackwater, it was nowhere near that good.

  367. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    rorschach-,

    That is my issue with the dragons too. They are the equivalent of the Staples “Easy Button” on the series.

    Plus honestly as awesome as the VFX are, they still look plastic or 2-D to me at times…. especially in close ups.

  368. El Beto
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    I hated season 2, it was pretty horrible… yet I must say I am enjoying this season, even with the changes (no Strong Belwas, Gendry for Edric Storm, etc).
    However I think they ruined one of the best scenes this season because of the budget: The unleash of The Unsullied.

  369. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Their use as an “Easy Button” depends entirely on whether they are immune to arrows. Otherwise they are just a REALLY effective form of flaming arrows.

  370. AA
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    I already made a couple comments above, but wanted to add some things now that I have time. I thought every scene had something special – the writing and acting was just so on point.

    -I really loved the scene with Joff and Margaery at the Sept of Baelor – pretty much everything going on in KL was flawless. And I hope now that we saw why the trailer showed the two of them in the Sept we can finally put to rest the theory that the PW is coming this season. I always thought it was going to happen towards the beginning of Season 4, and based on the overall pace of this season so far, I think it is getting harder and harder for others to argue that the PW is coming soon.

    -I hope they don’t overuse Bran’s dreams – for me the scene was starting to feel a bit like a mix of Avatar (a cripple able to run and climb in an alternate world) and the Matrix (Jojen training Bran like Morpheus trains Neo within the Matrix – I know Kung Fu). The scene was fine, especially the part with Catelyn, but i think it may have been the weakest part of an otherwise perfect episode.

    I understand that many people thought Dany’s scene was predictable, but I think the point of the scene was more to be just straight-up bad ass than to be an unexpected twist. Even knowing what what coming, I was enthralled, so I can only imagine how a non-book reader felt watching that scene, even if they predicted the outcome ahead of time. I agree with others who hope the amazing scene doesn’t set high expectations for non-readers for Dany’s storyline – it isn’t really going anywhere for a few seasons.

    -Other people have mentioned this, but I loved when Jaime instinctively reached for his sword with his stump — pretty moving.

    -I thought the mutiny scene was great, but my boyfriend, who is a non-book reader, was confused why the Night’s Watch all started fighting each other. Maybe it was confusing, but I think the show was smart to preserve the shock-factor of the scene and not overly explain that there was an entire disaffected faction of the group who were conspiring to turn on the Lord Commander.

    -Iwan Rheon’s crazy face made me scream

    -Edit: One more thing to add – In the opening credits, I noticed that when it moves from Riverrun to Winterfell, the camera flies right above The Twins chills

  371. Clob
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    JamesL: I think the awesome ending is making people overrate this episode. It was good especially the ending but other than that theres nothing else about it that makes it stand out among any other typical GOT episode. I don’t understand how some people are referring to it as better than Blackwater, it was nowhere near that good.

    Some people may have thought similar for much of Blackwater. Take out the giant explosion… Not everyone thinks watching sword fighting battles makes an episode fantastic. Don’t get me wrong, I liked that episode a lot, but I can’t place it on an untouchable pedestal above a few of my other favorites.

  372. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    idkk,

    I was wondering that too.
    She is not likely one of Craster’s girls (unless she was in the background and dirty already). I would think if she were Val we would have met her already… maybe. She also does not appear to be one of Margaery’s “cosusins” since we saw them last night, right?

    Reminds me, do we know who the young actresses are that play the Tyrell girls we saw doing needlepoint with Qot? Here’s a pic as a reminder.

  373. mj
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    coronaking,

    Didnt Mance Rayder say something to Jon about Eating of his meat and mead when they first met?

  374. Isabelle
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I think someone suggested a while back that Violet may be a victim of one of Ramsay’s hunts, if indeed they chose to show some of his other proclivities.

  375. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Grrr I meant to type “cousins” dammit!

    Is anyone else having an issue with the comment editor?
    For the last week or so it does not load my comment so I cannot edit my posts.

  376. Deborah
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    You are obviously a troll. All your comments will be skipped from now on. You have no power here!

  377. lmm
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    How can Sansa be promised to Loras if he is in the Kingsguard? Didn’t Tyrion explain to the viewers in a previous episode that the Kingsguard no longer can hold titles and land? As book readers we know she’s promised to Willis. I’m trying to see how the show can clear up these changes.

    Great episode BTW. I waited all night for “dracarys”.

  378. Hollyoak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Clob: Some people may have thought similar for much of Blackwater.Take out the giant explosion…Not everyone thinks watching sword fighting battles makes an episode fantastic.Don’t get me wrong, I liked that episode a lot, but I can’t place it on an untouchable pedestal above a few of my other favorites.

    I agree wholeheartedly.

    Also, I didn’t miss one bit the Unsullied having a larger battle. That’s just, well, overkill.

    The viewers, especially the non-book readers, came away seeing that Dany got her bad-ass army, knew Valyrian all along and Krazyns (or whatever his name is) got a face-melt. THAT is the essence of the scene.

    Those great scenes in the book of the Unsullied taking the city, well, it’s a book, like George has always said, and he wanted to write something that was un-filmable because he was tired of working in TV where the producers said his scripts were too big, too long, too AWESOME to film.

    I think that the series really has to appeal to the layperson (the Unsullied, if you will) to make an impact and be successful. If we don’t get the scope and scale of every scene that is described in the book, well, I’ll take that any day. Because we still have GAME OF THRONES ON EFFING TV, and D&D are huge fans. Imagine how much worse it could be in less skilled hands.

    And is anyone going to mention Joffrey trying to be human and waving from the Sept of Baelor. He ws like a frigging alien trying to mimic human gestures. That was brilliant. Jack Gleeson is so good. He deserves more props.

  379. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Ahh yes, I recall that theory!
    Maybe that I exactly who she will turn out to be.

  380. AA
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    lmm,

    In the show, Loras is not in the Kingsguard, at least not yet. Makes sense for the show’s purposes to conflate Loras and Willas. Maybe Loras will join the Kingsguard after Sansa marries Tyrion.

  381. Deborah
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    sig79,

    Yup.

  382. Shock Me
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    lmm,

    It could be that TV Tywin plans to release all the Kingsguard from that vow in order to extricate Jaime from the same situation so he can inherit Casterly Rock.

  383. Sally
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Well, I’ve been enjoying and certainly don’t think or was a mistake. A mistake would be introducing Ramsay out of no where next season. My that’s just my stupid opinion.

    But really, Theon has had exactly 5 scenes probably totaling less than 10 min. So a really don’t understand this “too much time with Theon critic”. Again, I’m an idiot so whatever.

  384. DavidMG
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    What do you mean they finally brought up the Targaryen babes? They already did that in season 1. More than once. Off the top of my head, I remember Catelyn telling Robb about them when Ned Stark was still alive. I can’t remember the other mention, but I’m positive there was another one.

  385. Deborah
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Can you please please please explain all your theories this way. I find them fascinating.

  386. Lex
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Awesome episode, I’d give it a 9.5 or 10/10.

    The Daenerys scene was what I’d always pictured, what I’d always imagined, but never thought to see.

    The Night’s Watch/Craster scene was as chaotic and terrible as the books.

    I felt so bad for Jaime (I want Locke to die!) and so terrified for Theon. That moment where he walks back into the room and sees the big X again… it was like something from a nightmare. It was actually more horrible this way, than in the books.

    I’d give the episode 9.5 or 10/10. Probably in the Top 5 episodes of the series.

  387. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    lmm,

    Aside from the fact that Loras is not in the Kingsguard yet as AA pointed out…

    The QoT and Margaery could also just d a ‘bait-and-switch’ and the issue goes away. Allowing Sansa to think she is going to marry Loras and then she gets told, “No, silly girl. You would be marrying Willas”

    We have already seen Margaery’s mastery at manipulation….

  388. TC
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    you should seriously stop watching. it will never be good enough.

  389. The Rabbit
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    DavidMG,

    Aemon mentioned them as well while revealing himself to Jon.

  390. DavidMG
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    It was a great episode for lots of other reasons. The opening scene is fantastic, showing how Jamie still has some fight left in him and manages to pull a sword out of another man’s scabbard and swing it quite dangerously.

    The scene with Varys is wonderfully written and directed. It was great that he revealed his backstory, but also how they accompanied the narration with images. When he mentions he was a thief, we see his hands taking a ring. When he tells of how his influence grew and took him to the court, first we see his face lowered and reflecting on the dirty part of the mirror. Then he raises his head, and the camera slowly pans up to show his face in the clean part of the mirror. That’s excellent visual storytelling interwoven with brilliant dialogue right there.

    Also, Beric Dondarrion’s introduction was remarkable. The man looks great, and they paid attention to detail with his makeup. Forehead injury? Check. Missing eye? Check. Rope scar around the neck? Check. They didn’t show his coat of arms, but this being the Brotherhood Without Banners, it’s a good decision for the series to leave that detail out. Oh, and Clegane was fantastic as usual.

    Margaery’s careful manipulation of Joffrey, Cersei’s powerlessness toward it, Cersei’s conversation with Tywin, Lord Mormont’s departure and badassery.

    What’s not to love in this episode? Man, Blackwater is great and one of the biggest achievements in TV history. That doesn’t mean you have to put it on a pedestal and use it as an excuse to underappreciate other masterfully done episodes.

  391. Big Bad Wolf
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Just realized something after a non-reader friend told me about it…

    Have they explained why Daenerys is called “Stormborn”? I don’t remember her telling (just in case) she was born in Dragonstone during a storm that destroyed her father’s remaining ships, yaddayadda… Or maybe she already did, but I can’t remember.

  392. Flick
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    From now on every episode should end with a scene where Varys monologues about his daily plottings to sorcerer-in-a-box, Al Swearegen style.

    I would love more Varys-centric episodes. Conleth Hill was utterly fantastic, which of course is nothing new, but it was such an extra treat to watch him have some lengthy scenes to work with. Such a fascinating performance!

  393. Kasie Strickland
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    mj:
    coronaking,

    Didnt Mance Rayder say something to Jon about Eating of his meat and mead when they first met?

    mj,

    I was thinking that too. Everyone on here’s screaming abut whether or not the “guest right” had been explained properly. I was like, “dude, they covered it. Pay attention.”

  394. BTR
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    People are saying that it was better than Blackwater because it obviously was. There was no unnecessary scene. The dialog was fantastic. The acting was fantastic. The special effects were fantastic. The cinematography was fantastic. The set design (e.g. the Sept) was fantastic.

    There were no weak points at all, and the plot moved forward on basically all fronts in intriguing and productive ways.

    The Blackwater hype has to end. It was a good episode, but this one was clearly better. Daenerys? Varys? Olenna? Margaery? Come on, every scene was gold.

  395. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Kasie Strickland,

    Ask a non-reader what Guest Right is, then tell me if they covered it….
    Not one of my friends that have not read the books knows what it is or how important it is.

    Maybe my limited sample is a anomaly and most non-readers know exactly what it is, but I seriously doubt it.

  396. mariamb18
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak
    And is anyone going to mention Joffrey trying to be human and waving from the Sept of Baelor. He ws like a frigging alien trying to mimic human gestures. That was brilliant. Jack Gleeson is so good. He deserves more props.

    Agree. Many on this show don’t get the props that they deserve and Gleeson is one of them. He was brilliant in that scene…the look on his face as Margaery “lured” him outside. His face registered uncertainty and bravado at the same moment.

    And because it can’t be said enough, Richard Dormer’s intro as Beric was perfect…stepping out of the shadows, talking about ghosts. So glad to see that Rory McCann was given an opportunity to shine in that scene.

    So much good in this episode…

  397. Rui
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    What a fantastic episode! I don’t remember Varys’ backstory from the books but I’m still reading A Dance with Dragons so maybe I haven’t got to it yet?

    Olenna Tyrell is awesome. I loved her in the books and Diana Rigg is killing it. Did Jack Gleeson look a little to happy telling the story of Rhaenyra Targaryen?

    Also, major boob shortage this season. But we’re only halfway through so who knows.

  398. WompWomp
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    But there is such a thing as tackling too much in a single scene. This week’s episode was unrelenting, brisk, and substantial. I found cutting out Jeor’s forgiveness to be the greater of the two losses (the second being Guest Right affirmation) since that particular moment can never be recovered later. That said, Mormont’s inglorious and sudden murder was incredibly effective on all fronts. I’m glad he didn’t get a drawn-out death bogged down by spoken sentimentality. Cosmo has plenty of those under his belt.

    I’m not so concerned about leaving Guest Right out of this episode. So long as Catelyn seeks the assurance at the appropriate time, there is no true foul.

    Your concern reminds me of other GoT cultural concerns, though. I’ve greatly missed the book’s wonderful treatment of Valyrian steel in the show. It’s nothing near deal-breaking, but I remember my heart sinking a bit when Robb’s terms to the Lannisters didn’t include demanding back Ice last season.

  399. Hollyoak
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Kasie Strickland,

    Ask a non-reader what Guest Right is, then tell me if they covered it….
    Not one of my friends that have not read the books knows what it is or how important it is.

    Maybe my limited sample is a anomaly and most non-readers know exactly what it is, but I seriously doubt it.

    It’s not important.

    All people need to know is that when Rob goes to the Twins he will get slaughtered, and all under a dirty trick. The writers will probably say something like. “You must go Robb. I have their word that this will be a safe gesture, and all arms will be laid down.”

    That’s all you really need. This whole guest rights thing is driving me nuts.

  400. Eor103
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Kasie Strickland: mj,

    I was thinking that too. Everyone on here’s screaming abut whether or not the “guest right” had been explained properly. I was like, “dude, they covered it. Pay attention.”

    I’m positive that never happened. It did in the book, but in the show no one mentions it.

  401. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    idkk,

    That’s a great question. None of Margaery’s scenes with Sansa have had any handmaidens either, and I kind of think we’d have seen her by now if that were where she fits in. Where does that leave? The Vale? The Twins? An out of order analog of Acorn Hall?

  402. Juego de Tronos
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    The best episode of this third season!!

  403. Joey
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Deborah,

    maybe hes a troll maybe not. im sure alot of ppl didnt like this episode. I thought it floundered for a while but got better as it went on. and maybe hes grading it on a GoT scale witch for me is way higher then other shows. a 1 on a GoT scale is better then a 4 on a TWD scale.

  404. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    After all is said and done…

    Dany standing in front of the sunrise with only her silhouette showing to Jorah and Selmy as their jaws drag on the ground in sheer amazment at how badass she has become. Dany then steps away to only show a rising sun…

    That day, that rising sun represents the birth of Daenerys Stormborn from House Targaryen, Conqueror, Mother of Dragons…

    Dany is on her way to fufilling her destiny…

  405. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18: So glad to see that Rory McCann was given an opportunity to shine in that scene.

    Yes. There was HOUND. And, yes, there was enough to stave off the “trouble” I threatened yesterday, to wit, the vitriolic unleashing of hound puns, poems and pontifications.

    Lex: I’d give the episode 9.5 or 10/10. Probably in the Top 5 episodes of the series.

    Agreed. Also in the top 5 of all TV episodes in the history of TV episodes. I love the “this episode was/wasn’t better than Blackwater” debate. It seems GoT is at the point where it can only compete against itself. It is peerless! I know the recap roundup post is coming, but relevant to my point is James Hibberd on The Walking Dead v. Game of Thrones. After giving the necessary disclaimers and explaining why he really shouldn’t do it, he did it. Like this:

    I feel compelled to write… in regards to this next scene with Dany in Astapor… that IF… after watching this… you still think The Walking Dead is better than Game of Thrones… you’re just wrong. The Walking Dead is fun, but Thrones is creatively playing at a higher level. Every element in this scene is meticulous. Every shot matters. The editing is fantastic. The score is terrific. Every expression by every character conveys unique information. The word “epic” gets lazily thrown around a lot (guilty) but this scene is truly epic, and I suspect fans will watch it more than once. As one of the executive producers pointed out, director Alex Graves just “directed the s–t out of this scene.” And unlike Alan Taylor’s masterfully composed execution of Ned Stark in season 1, which was by design awful to behold, this scene is really fun to watch. It’s not just a plot twist and action scene, it’s an earned climax to Dany’s growth as a character across three seasons. She’s been called the “dragon queen,” she’s bossed people around and made lots of lofty declarations and was sometimes downright annoying. Now she earns her title.

  406. Ser Orchard
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone notice that Tywin Lannister was routinely copying the same letter three times? Once for Bolton, once for Lord Frey and one for another Frey or something like that? First preview at the RW

  407. BobJ
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    As far as not mentioning the “Guest Right” at Craster’s, I think they don’t want to dilute the impact of the idea later on.
    Also, one of the tiny genius moments of this episode is having Jaime reaching out for his sword with his non-existent hand, and being shocked when he can’t grasp it. Brilliant.

  408. Gregory Kelton
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    AA:
    Anyone else think the letters that Tywin is writing during his scene with Cersei (where he says he is doing everything in his power to get Jaime back) are possibly to the Boltons and Freys, setting up their alliance, maybe planning the Red Wedding.

    OF COURSE! They’ve brilliantly been showing Tywin righting letters all season long. Then after RW they can have a character (most likely Tyrion) say something like “That’s what you’ve been writting about these few months” or some such. It’s ABSOLUTELY foreshadowing.

  409. Theon's Missing Junk
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic episode. Aside from Blackwater, probably the best of the series.

    Only one of hing I didn’t like: Sansa possibly marrying Loras. Loras is kingsguard (unless they didn’t make it so in the show.. he swore himself to Joffrey in Blackwater right?), and the show has already established that kingsguard cannot hold lands, marry etc. Do the showrunners rhink the audience wouldn’t be able to understand that there is another Tyrell? I don’t like this move one bit.

    Really that’s my only major quibble. Little on the fence about theons “ned was my real dad” sentiments and varys sorcerer in the box, but don’t outright hate the decisions

  410. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    I mostly agree. I think that later, the guest right stuff gets really interesting, when Wyman Manderly will be full of vengeful rage about it. But that’s just flavor, and it doesn’t really require any foreshadowing other than the RW and itself — that is, Wyman ranting on the subject is both the biggest payoff that the importance of guest rights offers and the best explanation of said rights. Easy peasy.

  411. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Theon’s Missing Junk: (unless they didn’t make it so in the show

    Correct. I don’t think they did. In ACOK, he was appointed to the Kingsguard after Blackwater. ACOK Sansa VIII. It didn’t happen in the show, but maybe you’re on to something. Maybe Loras gets all “girls have cooties” and joins the Kingsguard to avoid marrying her.

  412. Currer Bell
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    *chants*

    Bath! Bath! Bath! Bath!

  413. Blink
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I apologize if this has already been posted, but I think the reason we see Ghost hanging around with the Night’s Watch survivors rather than follow Jon is because he’s going to play a part in the ‘Sam the Slayer’ scene by leading Sam to a cache of Dragonglass (as he originally did in the books, if memory serves). It’s unclear what happened to the cache that was found last season, but I suspect it will turn up again via Ghost. How this will happen precisely, I don’t know, but I don’t think it’s unrealistic to think that Sam will at some point go back to Craster’s Keep to see what’s happened there; either that or Grenn and Edd will follow him. I have to think there’s some significance to Sam spotting Ghost in episode 3, though.

  414. mariamb18
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: Correct.I don’t think they did. In ACOK, he was appointed to the Kingsguard after Blackwater.ACOK Sansa VIII. It didn’t happen in the show, but maybe you’re on to something.Maybe Loras gets all “girls have cooties” and joins the Kingsguard to avoid marrying her.

    As I recall, Loras has not (yet?) been named to the KG. He has appeared twice so far this season and neither time has he been shown wearing a white cloak.

    Maybe Loras volunteers for the KG to avoid marriage, as is suggested above. Another option is that Tywin will insist that Joffrey appoint Loras to the KG thereby preventing the marriage to Sansa.

  415. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Cerseislittlehelper:
    Which chapter and book is this in?

    A Dance With Dragons

  416. Michael K
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I have read the books 3 times, and Daenerys getting her Unsullied totally surpassed my expectations. Everything from her speech to the reactions of everyone around her. Then the Unsullied banging their spears to show they support her…..I have watched that ending a half dozen times.

  417. Adria
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me: As much as I LOVE the final Daeny scene it would have been cool to have a battalion of archers on the battlements of Astapor as a routine security measure against just such an eventuality.

    I don’t think the slavers ever saw that scenario coming. No one had ever bought out the whole of the Unsulied before, as no one ever had a dragon to trade. And slavery is accepted in this society. After all, who would kill the slavers that could supply them with more slave-soldiers? It was unthinkable.

  418. MX
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    I agree that this was probably the best episode ever. Although the Danaerys scene was predictable for a while now, it was executed in a magnificent way.

    I also loved Varys, very subtle and layered acting, matched by excellent camera work. Tyrion is usually laid back because he must maintain the facade, but you could see the shock in his eyes. Very effective — bravo Peter!

    I am happy that Jeor is dead. Although the actor was flawless, I have hated the character ever since he justified reliance on Craster, plus I don’t like militaristic authoritarianism anyway.

    Would someone just shoot Ramsay? Again, great acting by Iwan, but I feel filthy for hours after thinking about the Bastard. It’s not even that I like Theon, although Alfie is awesome.

    Anyway, that’s nitpicking. Will probably watch the episode one more time this week.

  419. Adria
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Kroket: Zhadrizaz Buzdaris Goz Da Or! Wow! That was bad ass!

    Easily the best scene of the series so far (that music helped!)

    Zaldrīzes buzdari iksos daor.

    Check out the blog of the guy who creates the languages for the show.

  420. TheBlackTookMe
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Firstlander,

    My thought there is that after Tyrion was so interested in Pod’s prowess, that he’ll try to use that in a revenge scheme against Cersei. There has to be something to it since it’s come up in two episodes. The Pod = Kettleblack substitution seems logical there.

  421. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Exactly
    On its own Guest Right is not important, but it is just another detail that shapes and amplifies multiple scenes to come in the TV series.. The religions and superstitions of Westeros are not always needed for plot advancement, but hey are more often needed for understanding. The cultural details in the books add context.

    Is any of that truly needed?
    One can make a case it is not and I would not argue whatsoever.

    The need is not point. My point wasn’t that anything is ruined by omitting Guest Right, my point was that some nuance and gravity is lost without it…. and that it has not been dealt with in the TV series in a way that most non-readers would understand.

    Either way, it is a minor issue tat does not bother me much. I just pointed it out or agreed with others that its loss does and will lessen impact of some scenes.

    Hollyoak,

    I never get how people get so worked up over a critical note!! XD
    Mot of the time it seem that people complaining about critiques get more worked up than the people being critical! XD

    Certainly the case with my picked nits. I notice things. I comment. I move on.

  422. The Rabbit
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Nothing much to add. Awesome episode.
    Emilia Clarke was brilliant.
    I especially liked the little things..like Tywin s letters..he has a lots of pen pals as it seems. heh.

  423. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    After all is said and done…

    Dany standing in front of the sunrise with only her silhouette showing to Jorah and Selmy as their jaws drag on the ground in sheer amazment at how badass she has become. Dany then steps away to only show a rising sun…

    That day, that rising sun represents the birth of Daenerys Stormborn from House Targaryen, Conqueror, Mother of Dragons…

    Dany is on her way to fufilling her destiny…

    Yes…..and after all is said and done, with being sated from a delicious episode,
    I am hungry for more. My dessert will come with the lengthening of Reed siblings’s
    scenes, and the quest of Bran. Perhaps we’ll see the Direwolves in an engaging
    scene. Maybe in later episodes or next season.

    I know the Wildlings are headed to the Wall of ice and magic, but it’s Aemon’s
    voice I miss the most at Castle Black. I suppose ole gravel voice Burn Gorman
    will aggravate Jon or become a political challenger .

    I didn’t play close enough attention to what Tyrion was stating to Varys, in that
    interesting scene at KL.Am I incorrect in thinking that Tyrion was learning
    of a plot against him, before the wedding events ? OR was it simply to find out
    who ordered ser Mandin Moore to murder him during the Blackwater battle ?

  424. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    I absolutely adore how D&D have shown Tywin and his letters!
    In the books of course we do learn that Tywin is behind the RW, but to actually see him moving the pieces on the board (figuratively and literally) is just fascinating!

  425. Clabog
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    In regards to the Theon plotline so far, it really hasn’t been about Theon, but rather Ramsay. This has easily been the biggest introduction to any character on the show yet, especially since he hasn’t even been fully revealed. Also, consider how much he was even built up last season! I think it says a lot in terms of how important D&D consider Ramsay to be as a series villain. The crazy, giddy smile Iwan Rheon had upon seeing Theon realize what was happening was great. Can’t wait for more.

  426. Bryan
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Someone wanted the Daenerys Mic Drop? hahaha http://readjunkcom.tumblr.com/post/48631504881/daenerys-mic-drop

  427. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    I realize that in the glare of emphatic scenes of Astapor and Varys’s sorcerer -in-a-
    box reveal, that we’d not pay much attention to lord Tywin ( D Cheney )in his office.
    With every demanding stroke of his quill pen, and with each wax seal stamped on the
    growing stack of demands or promises of compensation, a truer realization
    emerged that the war of the remaining kings is nearing it’s end ( from Tywin’s
    perspective ).
    Sometimes the stroke of a pen wields harsher than a sword.
    One may die a single death or have a lifetime of undoing the edict.

    Once again, as expressed by several here, Rest in Peace Lord Mormont. May the
    White Walkers never claim your body.

    I guess we’ll be seeing Pip and Grenn at Castle Black again. I can almost taste
    the stew and black bread, with Donal Noyenearby and on the ready for the
    attack of the Free Folk brigade
    .

    Stannis is much discredited by his onscreen script, not really impressive as a
    man clinging to a mistress. Let’s hope there’s more to story than this
    embarrassing display before Melisandre. Stannis indeed licks his wounds,
    but he retains his determination to move forward. Let’s hope that upcoming
    scenes with Davos brings him to his senses.

  428. Ed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    THIS:

    mariamb18:
    Another option is that Tywin will insist that Joffrey appoint Loras to the KG thereby preventing the marriage to Sansa.

  429. That chubby kid
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Hats off to Emilia Clarke!!!
    So far I thought that she had been doing a good job as Dany…but I felt like her performance in this episode blasted her into the stratosphere of actors that are able to OWN a character and surpass the source material. When she began addressing the unsullied in valerian…the complete change in her cadence, inflection, and timber of her voice…I suddenly realized….OMG…she is a DRAGON QUEEN….RUN…..AAAAAAAH!!!

    Like marlon Brando clearing the table in streetcar…real holy shit, career defining movie moment…and holy crap…it’s not a movie…it’s HBO. My how the world has changed.

    Thanks Emilia!
    And Thank you HBO!

    Now how bout repeating the original episodes in split screen with nonbookreader reactions and the hilarious stuff they say while watching?

  430. David The Grey
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak: Because we still have GAME OF THRONES ON EFFING TV, and D&D are huge fans. Imagine how much worse it could be in less skilled hands.

    I’d prefer not to do that! We are SO blessed that D&D are huge fans and got HBO to make this show. Just take the actors alone – the cream of the crop! Hardly a foible in 3 seasons (and Needle killed that one anyway)! :-) But then if you add in the sets, the costumes, the score, the MASTERFUL direction and writing…. OMG, we are soooo very lucky.

    Last night’s show made me feel like feature films USED to do. I don’t know how I’m ever going to come back from this (sort of like how I feel about fantasy novels in general).

  431. HouseLark
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    WompWomp,

    Exactly
    On its own Guest Right is not important, but it is just another detail that shapes and amplifies multiple scenes to come in the TV series.. The religions and superstitions of Westeros are not always needed for plot advancement, but hey are more often needed for understanding. The cultural details in the books add context.

    Is any of that truly needed?
    One can make a case it is not and I would not argue whatsoever.

    The need is notpoint.My point wasn’t that anything is ruined by omitting Guest Right, my point was that some nuance and gravity is lost without it…. and that it has not been dealt with in the TV series in a way that most non-readers would understand.

    I really can’t agree with that, Guest Right is central to why the Red Wedding is so shocking. It’s not a point of cultural context, it’s part of the essential underpinning of society. It explains why the Stark host will be off guard during the RW. And it has repercussions for the rest of Westeros when the Frey’s violate the convention; it makes prolonged wars more likely because negotiations in good faith can no longer be entered into without suspicion. Try and imagine the modern world if diplomatic immunity did not exist. The Frey’s shake the very foundations of Westerosi society when they murder the northmen. For the sake of one or two extra lines of dialogue, I think something on Guest Right should have been included.

    However, none of that stops me thinking that this episode is up there with Baelor and Blackwater. Fire and Blood, man.

  432. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Curtain call from James Cosmo, please? :sobs:

  433. Lyn Corbray
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    A quick question I had after rewatching- Loras isn’t a member of the Kingsguard yet in the show, correct? Obviously he couldn’t marry Sansa if he was… I wonder if that aspect of him has been cut. Maybe we should just call him Gay Garlan

  434. TeamWolf
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Loved literally the whole episode! I’d like to mention Natalie Dormer whose Margaery is much better than Margaery in the books for me. And Iwan Rheon’s expression in his last scene was really scary and creepy…Poor Theon

  435. John
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: Also in the top 5 of all TV episodes in the history of TV episodes. I love the “this episode was/wasn’t better than Blackwater” debate. It seems GoT is at the point where it can only compete against itself. It is peerless!

    Ok, settle down. First of all, comparing it to “Blackwater” is ridiculous. “Blackwater” was probably the best episode of that entire year of television. I’m not even sure if this was the best episode of the night (Mad Men was excellent). And you ranking it among the five best episodes in the history of television tells me that you just have not watched enough great shows. This probably wouldn’t have been in the top five episodes from the absolutely incredible fourth season of Breaking Bad, for example. It’s nowhere near the top five in TV history.

    Don’t get me wrong. It was really good (I gave it a A-). And the *final scene* is right up there with anything the show has done. But…there were a few problems too, most notably some throwaway scenes. First of all, what was the point of shoehorning that fairly inconsequential Bran scene in? Also, Theon’s plot is almost a complete waste of time (there’s a reason why Martin disappears him for three books), though his regrets monologue was good. And they need to stop with the bedroom exploits of Podrick. I’m all for comic relief, but that only works if the “comedy” is actually funny. This wasn’t.

    To recap: Really good episode? Yes. Ended with one of the best scenes in the show’s history? Absolutely. Historically great episode overall? No way.

  436. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    HouseLark,

    Oh I completely agree with you.

    However, I also think that even if the non-reader fans have no clue what Guest Right is they will still be utterly shocked by the RW and it will not lose much impact. I’m not sure it is needed for that event to be impactful or shocking, but it certainly is a HUGE part of the RW a the books in general IMO. It is one of the very fundamental rules of their society, especially in the North.

    I can admit many of the events that would be impacted by Guest Right will still be completely shocking to non-reader viewers though. The mutiny still had huge impact and shock value, even if it was very confusing to some non-readers.

    I completely agree that they could have added a couple lines of dialog and remedied all of the Guest Right issues.

  437. Darquemode
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Mostly I just mean that Guest Right is not important to the non-readers enjoyment or understanding. Will they get exactly why an how the event is so shocking without it? No, but thy will still be shocked an appalled nonetheless.

  438. Renaud
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Hey guys,

    I just have a location question; my girlfriend thinks she recognizes the place where Sansa and Margaery had their scene by the water down the stone stairs. Can someone tell me if this was shot in Croatia (WiC?) ?

    She is now making me watch parts of the episode again, because it was kinda of bloody brilliant.

  439. feyrband
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    natehilk:
    Lord Tywin scenes are still my favorites.He keeps laying the lumber and I keep eating it up.I could listen to him read the phone book.

    as you wish: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3POYx6IeeI

  440. Idaan
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    WildSeed: I hopeGoT Varys has a better stake in the power game than personal vengeance
    against magic and cruel wizards.
    The storytelling remains unclear at this point
    for more political scheming…… as it should be I guess.

    Why would a sorcerer pick Varys out of all people to be used as a sacrifice? Varys obviously knew that he was chosen for a specific reason before other people from his troupe, and at that moment he thought that reason was because he was a little boy that the sorcerer wanted to abuse. But we know that it’s not little boys that are used for powerful sorcerous rituals. It’s people with king’s blood in their veins.
    For more insight re-read the chapter in ADWD where Tyrion meets Illyrio, Varys’ old ally, who innocously refreshes the reader on the history of a certain half-forgotten lineage with king’s blood, and then sends him off to a mercenary company that used to be sworn to that lineage.

  441. Dany's Little Sister
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    My big sister rocks! Way to go Dany! You made me proud. That whole scene rocked as well as the entire episode! Can’t wait for more!

  442. darrylzero
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    HouseLark,

    I can see what you’re saying, but I think one good line from Cat to Robb about how he needs to eat bread and salt as soon as he gets in the Twins because Lord Frey is so petty/bitter/dangerous will suffice. Wyman can do the rest later.

  443. Dragon Tender
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    coronaking: They could still put the information into the show. Sam could tell it to Gilly while they run south. “But we ate Crasters bread and salt! It means we were under guest right!”

    Well, we haven’t had that much sexposition yet this season. There’s always hoping!

    John and Hanna FTW!!

  444. Tar Kidho
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    coronaking: I had goosebumbs when Sansa was promised a life in Highgarden

    In between all of the fantastic excitement, THAT was exactly the scene that I found most impressive this episode. To convey a variety of emotions with such delicate acting is something only the absolute best actors can manage. Sophie, you managed to break my heart in that scene!

  445. Meg
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    any ideas on where Theon really is? Dreadfort? Ramsay said they were going to Deepwood Motte. It looked convincingly like the place because of the forest.

  446. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    John: Ok, settle down.

    I’ll never settle down. This show is too good. Breaking Bad, The Wire and LOST are all good competitors. I’ve been watching TV since the 1960s. I’ve seen plenty of shows. I just like GoT better. It’s subjective. Of course, those other shows all had the luxury of longer seasons (although in LOST’s case I think the longer season hurt some episodes). One thing about GoT, you’ll never get a throw away episode. Ever.
    You mentioned “throw away scenes.” They have to keep certain characters’ stories alive, so they pop around like a soap opera. I understand why you don’t like that. It’s probably why you liked “Blackwater” better. I don’t know what they’re going to add with Theon’s arc, so I’m not judging it. As for what is funny, that’s even more subjective than what’s the best episode of TV ever. You didn’t think it was funny. I did. I can’t explain why I find something to someone unamused about the same something. You didn’t think it was the best episode of TV ever. I did. I’ll agree to disagree.

  447. feyrband
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    The Pain Yak,

    You know what’s going to blow their mind? killing Robb Stark, and Catelyn, and Grey Wind. Guest Right itself isn’t that big of a deal if things are played out correctly leading up to and just before it happens. And I don’t mean correctly as in following the book exactly. In fact just not having people paranoid and emphasizing the Guest Right and making it seem as though everything with Edmure getting married is all cool in the gang will make it plenty shocking.

  448. Jim
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    One of the best parts of this episode, personally, was the continuation of the Podrick=sex god arc, if for no other reason than it should (but likely won’t) shut up the people who were all “OH MY GOD I CAN’T BELIEVE YOU PEOPLE DON’T GET IT, OBVIOUSLY TYRION PAID THEM OFF TO BOOST PODRICK’S CONFIDENCE HOW DO YOU NOT GET SUBTLETY WHILE I BASE THIS THEORY ON EXACTLY NOTHING.”

  449. Arthur
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    The thing about this episode that made it great, besides the obvious Dany segment, was that is was a total team effort on every level…

    The writing, acting, directing, cinematography, CGI, custom and set design… You name it, it all came together. Each element complimented each other and it was like “the best of the best”. It was like an NFL pro bowl game where you have the top talent on every level just clicking on all cylinders… And you could just feel it and appreciate it.

    Jaime and Brienne was amazing to watch, their storyline is shaping up really well. Jaime’s spirit has been killed, his moral has bottomed out, you can just see it in his face and his eyes “I am dieing”- Jaime. You can also read Brienne’s facial expression, she is watching Jaime fade away and she wont let that happen, she will do what she can to keep him focused on living…

    It was a joy to watch Varys vs QoT. These two are like the mental versions of Jaime vs Brienne. Champion’s of wit and intellect having a go at each other finding common ground (for now) to stand together on.

    Marg vs Joff. Is it even possible for Natalie and Jack to portray these book characters any better? I doubt it. They are really amazing and it has been such a pleasure to watch Marg play Joff like a harp, plucking any string she wants to get whatever note she wishes.

    IMO this season is going very well. There is only one thing so far I really didn’t like (credit music after Jaime losing his hand). That is only because I like my time period pieces segmented with its proper music. To explain what I mean in an example all you Throners would understand… Picture watching Ned Stark’s head being cut off, then when the camera pulls back to view the crowd, in the back you see a Chevy truck drive by instead of a horse pulled wagon… To me personally that’s what that “punkish” style music did to my brain. Just knocked my out of my GoT mindset. However, this is only my opinion and I am glad many of you liked the music. I understand what D&D tried to do but to me it was a blunder because keeping in the proper time period to keep me in that fantasy world is important.

    That being said, every other aspect of the TV version has been awesome this season. I would like to see more Bran and Jon Snow and I hope we see more of Robb and Greywind soon. Also, Theon’s storyline thus far is kind of weird and a mess but we will see how that develops.

    All in all, GoT is the best show on TV by far. I can’t help to think about how awesome it would be if I didn’t read the books and already know what is going to happen. If I have never read the books and all this was new to me I would be amazed and all the nitpicking I do would be nonexistent…

  450. Cherylyn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    while of course I thought this was an awesome episode with Dany finally kicking some ass instead of whining, I almost choked on the book change with Margaery offering Sansa Loras’ hand in marriage!!! Sansa is the most knight-savvy character in the book – how could the show runners offer Sansa a Kingsguard, who CANNOT MARRY. Esp. since this particular item has been pointed out in Jamie’s story arc. It just seemed inexcusably blunderous to me…

  451. Adam
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Two questions:

    1) Was that *really* the first time the Targaryen babies have been mentioned on the show, even in passing?? That would seem super odd to me, there were a lot of references to the rebellion in the first season especially, but I haven’t specifically looked out for that, of course.

    2) What did WiC mean by “I wish that they would have saved the reveal on exactly how cold-blooded Varys can be for later. No spoilers, but that was quite a shocking moment in the books.”? Put it in a spoiler tag, but I could use a reminder from the books. I don’t remember Varys ever laying his hands on the sorcerer. Was this a reference to the ADwD epilogue?

  452. Cherylyn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Lyn Corbray,

    Joffrey made him a Kingsguard after Blackwater, and then Loras offered up his siser to marry. I was totally distracted by this as Sansa is obsessed by knights and would know that Loras cannot marry.

  453. coronaking
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Cherylyn:
    Lyn Corbray,
    Joffrey made him a Kingsguard after Blackwater, and then Loras offered up his siser to marry. I was totally distracted by this as Sansa is obsessed by knights and would know that Loras cannot marry.

    There is no mention of Loras joining the Kingsguard in the show.

  454. mariamb18
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Cherylyn:
    while of course I thought this was an awesome episode with Dany finally kicking some ass instead of whining, I almost choked on the book change with Margaery offering Sansa Loras’ hand in marriage!!!Sansa is the most knight-savvy character in the book – how could the show runners offer Sansa a Kingsguard, who CANNOT MARRY.Esp. since this particular item has been pointed out in Jamie’s story arc.It just seemed inexcusably blunderous to me…

    Not sure if you have read some of the comments above but there was debate as to whether or not Loras has been “officially” made a member of the KG. I don’t think that he has. We have seen him twice – once at dinner with Margaery and once escorting Sansa. It neither case was he wearing a white cloak.

    I suspect that this was not a blunder at all. I believe that he is NOT yet a member of the KG. However, once Tywin gets wind of the Tyrells’ plot to marry him to Sansa, he will insist that Joffrey appoint him to the KG…because the KG cannot marry. I think that Mandon Moore’s spot is still open.

  455. Hawk
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Deborah,

    Varamyr’s theories are bunk…

  456. XDarkAngelX
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    That episode reminded me of why I actually liked Daenerys at one point…

  457. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Cherylyn,

    That’s the book. In the show, Loras is a not currently a member of the KG.

    Thanks,

    B

  458. Michel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry to be rude, but how can’t people understant that Loras ISN’T in the KG yet in the show. It was a good move by D&D actually, because when they delayed the promotion of Loras, it gave oportunity for them to replace Willas (who cares about him?) with Loras. And of course, when Tywin knows about that union Stark/Tyrell, he is gonna put Loras in the KG to prevent the wedding, and he will marry Sansa to Tyrion. Based on the synopsis and the promo of the next episode, it will happen next week.

  459. mariamb18
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Kudos on an incredible hour of TV.

  460. Lex
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Renaud,

    Yes, all outdoor King’s Landing scenes are shot in Dubrovnik, Croatia.

  461. Michel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Thanks Bryan for answering that annoying question. Do you know when the post about the Q&A with you will become avaliable?

  462. Mike Chair
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Well, I was hoping Winter would chime in and set the record straight. Instead, we got the “Keeper Of The Mythos” himself! It don’t get more settled than that.

    Awesome.

    Can’t wait for “Kissed by Fire.”

  463. JamesL
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    I’m not sure that Loras will ever be on the Kings Guard in the show. A lot of people have posted that they think Tywin will have Joffrey place Loras on his Kings Guard in order to stop the wedding but that is not really necessary. We already know how Tywin plans to stop Loras and Sansas wedding, by marring Tyrion to her.

  464. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Idaan:
    WildSeed,

    Why would a sorcerer pick Varys out of all people to be used as a sacrifice? Varys obviously knew that he was chosen for a specific reason before other people from his troupe, and at that moment he thought that reason was because he was a little boy that the sorcerer wanted to abuse. But we know that it’s not little boys that are used for powerful sorcerous rituals. It’s people with king’s blood in their veins.
    For more insight re-read the chapter in ADWD where Tyrion meets Illyrio, Varys’ old ally, who innocously refreshes the reader on the history of a certain half-forgotten lineage with king’s blood, and then sends him off to a mercenary company that used to be sworn to that lineage.

    Thanks for your insights here from the ASOIAF perspective, I was only referring to
    Game of Thrones and the onscreen implications of that scene.

  465. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Once again, as expressed by several here, Rest in Peace Lord Mormont. May the
    White Walkers never claim your body.

    Jen@House Stark:
    Curtain call from James Cosmo, please? :sobs:

      

    Others have paid their respects too, lord Bear will be sorely missed.

  466. WildSeed
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18: Not sure if you have read some of the comments above but there was debate as to whether or not Loras has been “officially” made a member of the KG. I don’t think that he has. We have seen him twice – once at dinner with Margaery and once escorting Sansa. It neither case was he wearing a white cloak.

    I suspect that this was not a blunder at all. I believe that he is NOT yet a member of the KG. However, once Tywin gets wind of the Tyrells’ plot to marry him to Sansa, he will insist that Joffrey appoint him to the KG…because the KG cannot marry. I think that Mandon Moore’s spot is still open.


    I had to sort this out as well, since viewing Loras this season. I reasoned as you have
    about his current status. The intent is clearly thought out by the producers, we’ll
    have an accurate portrayal on the subject in due course.Wyliss has been
    mentioned in an offhand way, but I’d speculate he’s not going to appear onscreen.

    edit : looks like Mr Cogman has set the record straight about Loras’s duties.

  467. shyone274
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Cherylyn,

    That was bugging me too, but I can’t remember if they made him a member of the kingsguard in the show.

    What I’m really trying to figure out is the timeline on Sansa’s story. If the PW isn’t this season, and she doesn’t leave with Littlefinger until it is over, then what is Littlefinger going to do all season? Any thoughts?

  468. KingJon
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    feyrband,

    Hilarious link. Thanks for sharing.

  469. Mariamb18
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed

    edit : looks like Mr Cogman has set the record straight about Loras’s duties.

    Yes; nice of him to step in and settle the debate.

    shyone274

    Bryan Cogman answered your question; scroll up.

  470. Michel
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    shyone274,

    Is confirmed that Lysa and her son will appear these season. They will probably create some scene for them in the Eyre

  471. Monica
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    After second viewing:

    We might not need all the details, but I had thought it was a big jump in the books to leap from Theon to Reek without much explanation.

    Beric Dondarrion is like Robin Hood! He robs from the rich, seeks justice for the poor, and has his band of merry men…

  472. Balls
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    The directors get too much credit. The editing team are the ones that deserve the most praise. Top notch work

  473. Lady_d
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    For a thread aimed at book readers, many are forgetting book details or confusing show plot points with the books:

    1. Regarding guest right, Catelyn will lay out the guest right rules to Robb as they march to the Twins. The slight mention of it up to now is only so that, when she flat-out insists that he request food, it’ll feel slightly less like being pounded over the head with the rules of the guest-right ritual.

    2. Podrick will end up on the road accompanying Brienne, and they will together face Lady Stoneheart. (Am very much looking forward to that.)

    3. The show has (rightly, I think) given the Willas-Sansa wedding plot to Loras. He can join the Kingsguard later (for whatever reason). We all saw Sansa’s heartbreaking little face – a marriage to Loras is so much more meaningful to the screen story arc for Sansa, who has been pining for him since the Tourney of the Hand. Sansa will invariably tell someone – since not Dontos in the show, very likely the next absolute worst person to tell – about the Tyrell marriage plan, and Tywin will stop it by hastily arranging her marriage to Tyrion, who will then possibly be in line to provide heirs to Winterfell, the capital of the North, securing the Lannister dominion over all of Westeros – except Dorne, of course, which does its own thing.

    4. For those speculating about Dany’s ability to control her dragons, remember who is (in the books, not yet on the show, of course) on his way to her: Tyrion, who has been fascinated by dragons since he was a child, who has raided every library he has come across to find books on the topic and read everything there is to read about dragons.

    Can’t wait!!!!!

  474. Lord Selwyn
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    I love how they are showing Twyin writing letters everytime we see him. RW is coming!

    And that little reference – so quick you nearly miss it – that he still regards Jaime as being his heir ! Poor Tywin still hasn’t come to grips with Jaime joining the KG and giving up Casterly Rock. Makes me look forward to the ‘I don’t want your Rock’ Tywin/Jaime scene scene when Jaime returns, which I hope they will give us in Season 4 because Charles Dance /NCW was awesome in Season 1.

    I am also looking forward to the likely prospect of Tywin being Tywin and out-manouevring Olenna and Varys by appointing Ser Loras to the KG. Not to mention that the Sansa / Tyrion wedding is now perfectly set up.

  475. telobsidion
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    mcgormack:
    About Ramsay, does anyone understand what’s going on?

    I guess it’s a matter of time before things become similar to the books, but damn, there must be something I missed… if he brought back Theon to the same place, how come he didnt notice it? It’s not like he was blindfolded when he escaped or anything.

    And why would he take the risk of him escaping on the horse? What if he never found the meeting point and just went somewhere else on his own? Or what if Theon got killed by the other guys? There wouldnt be much torturing to do then.

    It’s fair to assume that Ramsay executed this whole plot to get a promotion and do the torturing himself. But how this is gonna lead to Dreadfort, I have no clue.

    Ramsay likes the hunt. Have you read Dance yet? Theon’s fake escape was told in a flashback. This is it, slightly altered, and we haven’t been introduced to Ramsay yet because of the changes to season two.

  476. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Turned in my answers. I imagine Winter’s waiting for a slow news day.

    Glad so many of you enjoyed the episode.

    B

  477. Al Swearengen
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Wow just wow those Dany scenes left me speechless. Even though I knew it was coming the director and Emilia still managed to give me goosebumps, without a doubt the best scene in the series so far and probably one of the greatest tv moments ever created.

    If that scene alone doesn’t win GOT an Emmy or Golden Globe for Best Drama there is no justice in the world !!!!

  478. Al Swearengen
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    My only problem with the episode aside from Pod the sex god lol is Theon’s arc, IMO the show runners really should have let Theon’s escape marinade for a couple more episodes, it felt rushed considering there’s still plenty of seasons left with that arc.

  479. ace
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Deekan,

    Deekan:
    Having seen Rheon’s crazy face I am beginning to think that Elijah Wood could have also been a brilliant Ramsay. But I’m sure Rheon will be perfect, too.

    probably got to do with Iwan looking like a hobbit in the getup he is in?

  480. Ser Habakuk Tibatong
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Firstlander,

    You might be right. At least that’s the only logical explanation for that whole mess. Last week I actually kinda enjoyed Pod’s scenes and the subtlety that seemed to be involved in Tyrion setting up the refusal of payment without the show actually spelling it out for the viewers. Well, silly me for believing this show to be capable of subtlety.

    So they really refused the money because he was great in bed. Guess what, prostitutes’ don’t give discounts based on performance. Littlefinger doesn’t give discounts based on performance. Littlefinger doesn’t like losing money. I don’t want to know what he does to prostitutes who refuse payment and cost him money. So his whores actually giving back the money is some horrible, horrible writing. Sorry. Worst part is, even if they are setting Pod up for a role quite different from the books, the refusal of payment still wouldn’t have been necessary. Ros could have mentioned Pod’s performance to Varys anyhow and nothing would have changed.

    But if Pod will replace the Kettleblacks, what does that mean for Brienne’s quest? Who will replace him in that storyline? Bronn? Shae? Both would necessitate a rather huge change in Tyrion’s arc. But who else would there be left?

    Also, if they are streamlining they story like this, I will now call it and say that Talisa will be married off to Ramsay, and that Yara will replace Victarion.

  481. Ser Habakuk Tibatong
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Actually, I hope that Theon disappears from the show for now. After this week’s episode, people know that he will be continued to be tortured. And I would very much prefer if that happened off-screen. Maybe add a scene or two in which the rest of the Greyjoys wonder what became of Theon. And then, when there is no longer any need for mystery, the final episode could simply reveal the result of his torture.

  482. Cerseislittlehelper
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    An interesting analysis of the whip:
    “She treats [the unsullied] like her dragons, which is to say, she treats them like fire: a powerful force, but one you can’t wield by clutching it in your hand or beating it with a whip. The whip—which she drops into the dust in a memorable gesture—is just a tool”
    - James Poniewozik Times Magazine

  483. shyone274
    Posted April 22, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Then the storyline will have to change. I’m sure they will make it work, the series has done a pretty good job of changing things to make it make sense on the screen, but I’m still curious how it will all line up. Will he come back for her in her moment of need?

  484. Ned
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    It seems that Ramsay is put in a lower position than is explained in the books. This makes his mind games on Theon much better as a dramatic tool. Instead of just being sadistic, despite us getting that in spades, Ramsay wants to be more than just a servant in his father’s hall. I’m curious and excited to see where his story line leads.

  485. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    shyone274,

    Where do you think Littlefinger disappeared to in the books before he showed up the night of the PW? He went to the Eyrie to woo Lysa Arryn. This isn’t any different.

  486. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Didn’t you all see the connection between something inVarys storytelling to Tyrion and Tywin’s writing those letters? Varys said something to the effect that he learned that he could find out so much more from a mans letters than he could from observing hi or something to that effect. But the word “letters ” jumped out to me and it did with Tyrion as well. The camera cuts to Tyrions face and you can see him thinking inwardly about what Varys meant by that statement. Since Tyrion had approached Varys for information on Cersies plot to kill Tyrion….that is part of the info and advice he is giving to Tyrion. I believe he is saying…snoop around in Cerseis and Tywins letters to find his proof or at least clues to what is coming. And of course he is telling Tyrion that revenge, plotted overa long period of time takes tremendous patience and a willingness to be ruthless not only with others but also with oneself. I can’t believe that no one else noticed this? I could be way off track but I think we will see Tyrion or someone who works for him snooping around in his sister’s and fathers’ letters for intel.

  487. WildSeed
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Darquemode,

    But there is such a thing as tackling too much in a single scene. This week’s episode was unrelenting, brisk, and substantial. I found cutting out Jeor’s forgiveness to be the greater of the two losses (the second being Guest Right affirmation) since that particular moment can never be recovered later. That said, Mormont’s inglorious and sudden murder was incredibly effective on all fronts. I’m glad he didn’t get a drawn-out death bogged down by spoken sentimentality. Cosmo has plenty of those under his belt.

    I’m not so concerned about leaving Guest Right out of this episode. So long as Catelyn seeks the assurance at the appropriate time, there is no true foul.

    Your concern reminds me of other GoT cultural concerns, though. I’ve greatly missed the book’s wonderful treatment of Valyrian steel in the show. It’s nothing near deal-breaking, but I remember my heart sinking a bit when Robb’s terms to the Lannisters didn’t include demanding back Ice last season.

    I’ve read most of the comments here about ” a guest’s right “, and recollected
    some time ago my expectations for the onscreen versions of this and other points
    would just have to be respected…… for the time being. I agree with Darquemode,
    especially about the fundamental practice as it were, for all inhabitants of the
    Seven Kingdoms. Offering one’s Bread and Salt no only promised the minimum
    of staples , but primarily safety within the walls of the Keep or residence. The
    only return , as it reflects still with modern values, is to respect the home of the
    one who offers. It’s quite essential and simple in it’s understanding to both parties,
    to fall beneath this is an act of aggression and/or lack of support. Craster wasn’t
    much of a host, offering meager portions and stale bread, but he did offer them his
    hearth when he could have turned them away. Mormont understood that. The theme
    runs throughout ASOIAF, but mirrors the values held in the real world we live in.
    So yes, it’s kinda impotant.

    I missed the book references to onscreen representation of Valyrian steel too. I
    really wanted the smittys at Winterfell and Castle Black ( Donal Noye ) to
    demonstrate the blade where words were not enough. But hey, we all know now
    about the largeness of Ned’s blade ( if nothing else ).

    Looks like I’m just gonna settle for a first rate program that brings to light these
    books, I’ll accept that for now.

  488. WildSeed
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    I re-watched the episode with fresh eyes about Theon’s scene. With mixed thoughts
    earlier, of anticipation and rapto focus on ” Boy ” Ramseyonly, I missed
    out on Theon’s words as he addressed his ” helper ” once their ride had ended and
    as the keys were being used. Theon stated ” his true father was Ned Stark, whom
    lost his head at Kings Landing”. Now why would he say such a thing, right when
    I wanted to smirk at him or despise him ? My heart broke just as it did in the books,
    as he realised the evil that he did, to Robb and to Winterfell. Poor boy Theon indeed.
    Asha is no where near to hear your screams, or redirect you back to the coast.
    Reek, it rhymes with a Peek into the abyss. In upcoming episodes, we’ll
    meet formally, Mr Ramsey “sociopath” Bolton.

  489. LordDavos12
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Strepsi,

    I know exactly what you mean.

  490. The Pain Yak
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    feyrband:
    The Pain Yak,

    You know what’s going to blow their mind? killing Robb Stark, and Catelyn, and Grey Wind. Guest Right itself isn’t that big of a deal if things are played out correctly leading up to and just before it happens. And I don’t mean correctly as in following the book exactly. In fact just not having people paranoid and emphasizing the Guest Right and making it seem as though everything with Edmure getting married is all cool in the gang will make it plenty shocking.

    I would like the scene to be as effective as possible. I’m pretty sure the showrunners want the scene to be as effective as possible, as well, given how they’ve talked up that they practically made the show just to get to this scene.

    Robb and Catelyn dying will always be shocking, but that’s an easy sell, a no-brainer. A monkey could make that shocking. What will make the scene far more powerful and help cement the bone-deep hatred of the Freys nigh universal among book readers isn’t just the betrayal and murder of Robb; its the betrayal and murder of Robb after we have been assured that they are safe within the Twins, by every tradition of Westeros.

    After all, what do viewers know about Walder Frey, from what the show has shown? That he’s a treacherous little weasel who will only throw his lot in with the side he expects to win. As such, any viewer with functioning brain cells who remembers the man at all will instantly have their guard up when Robb enters the Twins. Guest Right, properly foreshadowed, is a powerful tool for both giving them a false sense of security and for inciting the proper level of outrage when that security is betrayed.

    Basically, it is not just a throw-away detail. Its a key ingredient in what makes RW so memorable. This is not the scene for show-runners to be compromising on. When the day comes around, I want to see a wail of anguish amongst the Unsullied such as the GOT fanbase has never seen.

  491. Armo
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Sansa & Loras? Wat about Willas? Loras been a kings guard and all

  492. Renaud
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    that’s what I thought! Yeah, pretty neat!

  493. AleksL
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    I personally was abit dissapointed by the scene in Craser’s keep. While it was still really good I feel the book set up the building tension better then the show.

  494. Shock Me
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    shyone274,

    If I recall, Littlefinger doesn’t sail to the Eyrie right away. He uses the trip to throw off suspicion for when he sails back for Sansa after Dontos rows them away from the Purple Wedding. It also eliminates him from suspicion when gem is used. (Though he likely had nothing to do with it he might have learned of it.)

    In any case, Tyrion has to put the shawl on Sansa sometime this season.

  495. Fallenone
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Hand of Jaime,

    Apart from him toying with Theon which no doubt he enjoyed, I think he also made sure that Theon confessed everything he did. He needed to know the status of the Stark boys and Theon gave it when he cried.

  496. Rushdi
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    WHAT’S THE NAME OF THAT SONG IN THE END???

    Love valyrian….TOVAGEDIS =D

  497. coronaking
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Rushdi: Love valyrian….TOVAGEDIS =D

    Dovaogēdys. ;) ( http://www.dothraki.com )

    And the song will be on the soundtrack. There are no information on it so far.

  498. Rushdi
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    coronaking,

    Hehe thanks! ^^

  499. Winter Is Come
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 7:35 am | Permalink

    Kyrion,

    Interesting idea Kyrion! I like that! After watching this episode, ending with one of my favourite scenes in SOS, (and every bit as nerve-shreddingly awesome as it was when I first read it,) I was wondering how they could possibly top this in ep 5. Beric V The Hound and Sam V Wights might just do it! :D
    I have to say, this season seems much pacier than the book, and that’s no bad thing! I also like all the stuff they’ve added, (Varys’ sorceror in a box?!?! WTH?) it keeps you on your toes, even if you *think* you know what’s coming as a reader. The extra character development with people like Robb and Margaery is also cool.
    …and then there’s the wholly welcome expansion of poor, poor Theon’s journey into Hell. You could guess where this was going, but boy, it still didn’t prepare you for seeing that look on his ‘rescuers’ face. Dreading the hammers…

  500. Ser Hound
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice that Thoros forgot his jolly drunken self and got super serious once they entered the cave? I thought that was a nice touch.

  501. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Can we give it up for Gwendoline Christie a bit here? I mean, this episode belongs more to Varys and Danys if I’m going to pick anyone. But the evolution of Brienne is fantastic particularly in that it’s Jaime taking the abuse, and she’s forced to confront her very real constructions of right vs. wrong, and “wrong” to her was definitely not Jaime. And yet now he saves her from getting raped. So her reaction (prior to his losing his hand in Ep 3) was a great mix of confusion and appreciation, and the same dynamic holds here, especially in considering, additionally, how she can’t believe that this supposed amazing swordsman and “knight,” the idea of a knight to many, is ready to throw in the towel so quickly.

    We can see the adversity that some of the toughest, most sympathetic characters have worked through – Varys, Danys, Beric Dondarrion, obviously Brienne, Arya to some extent – and Jaime, Sansa and a few others are only learning to deal with it (Theon as well, obviously). And so a lot of great stuff from NCW in his brief scenes, but dammit if Gwendoline Christie isn’t just rocking the shit (to use a Paul Rudd from 40-Yr Old Virgin line) here.

    Oh, and Varys and the torturer. Good gravy.

    And Lady Olenna of course gets a lot of the great lines.

    Looking forward to the curtain call for James Cosmo, but here’s a vote for another curtain call – even if a dual one – for Robert Pugh and Dan Hildebrand, who played two of the worst bastards to grace the GoT tableau thus far.

  502. Beyond the Wall
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    A stunning episode. They are just setting the bar higher and higher. I don’t think I’m actually going to be able to cope with it by the time they reach the red wedding. My heart was pounding at the end. Natalie Dormer has totally won me over. I was a bit worried that after using Dracarys in the season 2 finale that they had prematurely blown their load on it, but nope, they carried that scene off perfectly. The Valyrian sounded amazing.

  503. Pau Soriano
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman:
    Michel,

    Turned in my answers.I imagine Winter’s waiting for a slow news day.
    Glad so many of you enjoyed the episode.
    B

    Answers, in plural?? Yay!! Thanks a lot Bryan ;)

  504. Darquemode
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Lady_d,

    With regards to point #1, I actually think the first real mention and description of Guest Right being Catelyn telling Robb before he leaves or the Twins will be more of a red flag than it would be if it had been mentioned throughout the series. Now if Catelyn mentions it so close in proximity to the RW it will be fresh in people’s minds. For me personally it will feel more suspicious since this is a sacred thousands year old tradition that has not been brought up before… until the party heads off to the Twins.

    Oh well, that’s my last bit on Guest Right! XD
    I’m sure the RW will be shocking and traumatizing with or without it.

    Re: Point #2
    I sincerely hope they keep Brienne’s wanderings in the series. So many people see to think it should b cut ad/ or was boring. I think it is important to her character personally. Plus, Gwen is killing the portrayal and the actress (and character) deserves every bit of page time to transfer to the screen!

  505. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    The Sept of Baelor guys… Am I the only one who wished it was real so they could get married there as well…? Everything, the statues of The Seven, the interior design… Oh my gosh, MAJOR props to whoever was in charge of it’s design…

  506. Darquemode
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    SerKenjiGerrard,

    Agreed!
    And so many people thought it looked cheap or too sci-fi in the trailers!

  507. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Also, it upsets me greatly that Gwendoline Christie isn’t being credited in the title sequences… It may seem like a small thing but her appearing in the end credits with people who play characters such as Ros, Pod and Anguy, characters that aren’t exactly pivotal, hurts my feelings…

  508. tysnow
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    I believe the Pod sex-god plot is intentional by D&D, thereby replacing the Kettlebacks with our favorite squire.

  509. tysnow
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Best episode for season three, and numero three overall, after Blackwater and Baelor’s, and we are not even halfway through. With episode nine and ten looming, could season three have three or four of the top seven episodes, seems likely (knock on wood).
    A fond farewell to Cosme, wish his demise had been as awesome as Yoren’s though.

  510. Baihu1983
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    lot of plotting took place and of course the mutiny at Craster’s was well done. Only wish they had kept the Commander’s last words to Sam in.
    Joffrey giving a history tour was quite funny i thought and nice seeing him trying to impress Margaery in that Joffrey way.
    At last they actually took a little bit of time to mention the Targaryen babies! They need to get viewers up to date with that back story before a certain character comes into S4.

    And of course Varys getting more than 1 minute screen time and i lovd the scene with him and Riggs but at the same time the scene with him and Tyrion could have been elsewhere and once again to me simply felt like the writers said we need at least 1 Tyrion scene in every episode.
    When instead they could have had a Job/Yigritte scene as that relationship has been wasted so far.
    I actually get the impression Benioff and Weiss are not big fans of the character.

    The Danny scene was awesome but could have been a few minutes longer IMO and i love the stuff they are doing with Jamie/Brienne.
    Also enjoying the stuff with Theon.

    But still i would rate it as one of the best episodes so far.

  511. mead
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    @Bryan Cogman

    Bryan, do you still have Conan Stevens’ phone number?

    It’s time to make the call.

    C’mon.

  512. PatD
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    This was a stellar episode jam packed with creative, insightful direction, great pacing and editing, and truly gratifying performances. I understand a lot of the hyperbole surrounding it, but as much as I liked it, I haven’t yet seen anything that delivered the emotional impact of the Baelor episode in Season One. That was like the perfect storm of visual elements/symbolism, superb acting, and jaw dropping direction (I can still feel the profound effect manifested by the choice to go silent right as Ned looks up and realizes there will be no 13th hour rescue). No other episode affected this book reader that strongly. And I knew it was coming! So, I kind of disagree about last week’s being the best, so far, but I certainly get all the feel-good comments about where this season is headed. I think most of this year’s creative/adaptive decisions have been brilliant.

    I can’t get over the job that Ms. Christie is doing with her role as Brienne. Aside from the physical attributes, she has embodied everything a fan could have hoped for with that character. The looks on her face, watching Jaime’s suffering and humiliation, while trying to reconcile her oath with the fact that he pretty much saved her butt, has been absolute, heart-breaking perfection. Major kudos to the director for understanding the effects of those wordless expressions. If she’s not considered for an EMMY this year, I will lose it.

    There’s plenty to anticipate this year, but I’m really looking forward to that scene in the baths where Jaime spills his guts to Brienne.

  513. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    A random point, and one I’ll repeat in subsequent threads since I’m 500 comments in here:

    Most of the confusing/interesting visuals and one-liners from the trailers have been used up.

    “Been a long time, my old friend.” — Saw that
    Joff and Margaery leaving the Sept together, watched by Cersei. — Saw that. Makes it pretty clear that the PW very unlikely to show up this year.
    “I’m gonna light the biggest fire the North has ever seen!” — Saw that
    “I want to be on the side that fights for the living.” — Saw that
    “Still makes me more clever than you.” — Saw that
    A ship rowing away from Dragonstone. – Saw that. Turned out to be less of a big deal than thought, as it was just a clever edit to leave out that they had dropped off Davos Seaworth.

    Have not seen:
    “Seven kingdoms, united in fear of Tywin Lannister.” –Not much of a revelation. Tywin pretty much loathed by everyone save maybe Jaime.

    Shots of Tormund climbing the wall. Already alluded to.

    “Everyone is mind to torment.” – Joffrey. — Not seen. But then again, the idea that Joff wants to lord it over everyone ain’t exactly a surprise, either.

  514. Arthur
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    mead,

    Haha! Yes I agree. All the casting has been great but the season 2 Mountain was horrible.

    They have a few choices to correct that.

    #1 Get Conon Stevens back
    #2 Put that new actor in a silicon muscle suit (like he wore as the predator).
    #3 Get a new Mountain that doesn’t look like a beanpole that had wider hips than shoulders.

  515. Deborah
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Hawk,

    Maybe but still fun.

  516. Deborah
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Oh and I just noticed that the non-readers are calling themselves the unsullied. That is awesome! Does that make us sullied now?

  517. Nymeria_D_Wolf
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    I had forgotten about The Old Bear at Craster’s Keep! I had just commented on how the Night’s Watch scenes were going a little too slow and then got a serious shock!

    Whatever people’s opinions are of Margaery as a character, you have to love the way she plays Joffrey. He’s absolutely smitten by her.

    Of course Emilia Clarke killed it! What a scene, she was so powerful as a character and as an actor.

    But I thought Sophie Turner really showed Sansa’s heart this episode. The way her face lit up when Margaery promised her Loras and to be her sister… I actually wanted to cry for her.

  518. Landis
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Definitely found this to be one of the most entertaining episodes so far. Excellent opening with Jaime and Brienne, great scenes with Varys, Olenna, Margarey, and the BWB, and of course the end of Craster, Mormont, and Kraznys.

    I’d also point out Cersei’s scenes with Tywin and Olenna as being rather important character development that was subtly shoved in among all the “big” things that happened in this episode. For the first time, you get to see Cersei with a mother figure, and when you think she’s about to embrace Olenna in that role, she pulls herself away. You get the sense that she is unable to reconcile herself to the feminine strengths Olenna espouses, having been raised by men, and next we see her pleading with her father to rely on her instead of her brothers, with Tywin refusing to, saying that she is not so smart as she thinks. I thought the sequence of these two scenes really highlighted the paradoxical tragedy of Cersei’s character and situation, and I applaud the writers for it.

  519. David The Grey
    Posted April 23, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    This episode had some pretty visceral scenes – that mud Jaime fell into was just disgusting (poor NCW!), and I’m pretty sure I saw the dagger that pierced Craster’s throat/skull through his open mouth. Eww! (Reminds me of when Jory got it in the eye back in Season 1).

    Amazing, the lengths they go to on this show.

  520. M
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:00 am | Permalink

    Ned,

    Am I the only one to think that probably Ramsay is not Ramsay? something is not right there…why does he have to justifiy to the men that hold Theon that the iron born was the one who killed the others? even his sadistic glare at Theon seems to me more a kind of satisfaction in pleasing his lord’s commands to get some kind of information (the Stark boys..) than satisfaction with this “escaping/hunting scene”….Reek Anyone?

  521. sherry
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    After all is said and done…

    Dany standing in front of the sunrise with only her silhouette showing to Jorah and Selmy as their jaws drag on the ground in sheer amazment at how badass she has become. Dany then steps away to only show a rising sun…

    That day, that rising sun represents the birth of Daenerys Stormborn from House Targaryen, Conqueror, Mother of Dragons…

    Dany is on her way to fufilling her destiny…

    I love this analogy! This episode was great!

  522. Fiona
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    M,

    At IMDb.com now it says Iwan Rheon is playing “Ramsay Snow” http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944947/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

  523. M
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    well, that’s a fact…:)
    Probably i’ts just me with a different picture of Ramsay in my head…more ruthless and arrogant, doing the torture himself and so on…

    thank’s…:)

  524. Leuf
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been thinking about the Pod thing. I’m still convinced that Tyrion set the whole thing up with Ros ahead of time. It’s the only way the previous episode makes sense. I think the point of bringing it up again was to show us something about Ros, that she would lie to Varys about it. Whether that means she’s more loyal to Littlefinger or Tyrion I don’t know. It would also show she’s a good enough liar to fool Varys.

    I was thinking maybe Tyrion could be up to something along the lines of what he did with telling three versions of where he was sending Myrcella, just to see if Ros would tell anyone about it. But I don’t see how that could work.

  525. xbastaki
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    am i the only one annoyed by lord baric smileing the whole time.

    and “my real father died in king’s landing” was epic.

  526. Dzerards
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice Rast cracking up at the end of the pyre scene? I swear he just starts giggling!

  527. John
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Agree on Varys. Will definitely reduce that future event’s shock value.

  528. Jentario
    Posted April 27, 2013 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    Eric:
    Best Danny episode yet?

    And probably her best one ever until, maybe, the Daznak Pit or anything from the two books that are still unfinished.

  529. Layne
    Posted April 27, 2013 at 5:02 am | Permalink

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