Ask a GoT Writer: Bryan Cogman on the writing process, Robb and Talisa, and Renly’s peach
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Photo: Riley Stearns

Photo: Riley Stearns

As we announced a few weeks back, we have a new feature here at WinterIsComing.net, called Ask a GoT Writer. We asked you, the fans, to send in your questions and you were more than happy to oblige. We received hundreds of questions and narrowed them down to a select few. Those questions were then sent on to Bryan Cogman, writer and co-producer on Thrones, who graciously took time out of his busy schedule to supply some answers.

Read on to find out the answers to some of Thrones fans’ burning questions!

Loren: How much information are you privy to from GRRM? Does he keep tight-lipped on where the story lines are headed, or do you know a little bit more than the average reader when it comes to what’s going to happen in the final two books.

Bryan: I know everything! Will sell secrets to the highest bidder.

Actually, in all seriousness, David, Dan and I recently visited George at his home in Santa Fe for a few days to talk about GoT’s future and pick his brain about where all the storylines and characters are headed. We’re getting to the point now, as we map out future seasons, where that information is necessary. Mind you, George is still writing, so I imagine some of this stuff isn’t etched in stone, but he has a clear vision and he was kind enough to share. Needless to say, it was an amazing few days! I dared not write anything down… took no notes for fear of my computer getting swiped at the airport or something. It was a great trip — George is the consummate host and I managed to snag autographed copies of some of his other (non-ASoIaF) classics.

Jack: Does or will the TV show dip into the numerous prophecies and rumors regarding the various mysteries throughout ASoIaF? Obviously the most well-known being the mother of Jon Snow, but also Azor Ahai, the Prince Who Was Promised, Cersei and her little brother, the dragon has three heads, and so many more.

Bryan: I’m afraid I can’t talk about stuff that may or may not be dramatized in future seasons… I will say that the characters’ relationship to the past is something the show will explore, it’s just a question of what devices we use and when it’s most effective… so there’s a vague answer for you!

Nick: Hi Bryan, great work so far on the series! Keep it up! My question is, how do you go about writing your episodes? What kicks you into creative mode? Do D&D assign you an episode or do you get to choose which you want to write? Do they give you a rough outline of what should happen in the episode? And how do know all scenes will add up to ~60mins?

Bryan: Well, my first season episode was written under unusual circumstances in that I didn’t know I was writing an actual episode. David had framed it as an exercise, something for me (then he and Dan’s assistant) to do in order to develop as a writer who might get to write for the show someday. So I worked off the Season One outline (David, Dan, and I had mapped out Season One in Los Angeles just prior to shooting the original pilot) and it took about a week. After I turned it in, I was informed I had, in fact, written Episode 104. Thank God I had no clue this assignment was a tryout to write the actual episode! I’d have been so nervous I wouldn’t have been able to do it.

Anyway, if we take Season Three as an example, this was the process:

  1. I reread A Storm of Swords (and any relevant chapters from other books in the series) and wrote up brief summaries of each chapter, listed the potential new characters, locations, and mapped out the story arcs. (This was during production of Season Two, in Belfast).
  2. The major characters were then divided up between David, Dan, Vanessa, and myself — with each of us doing a first pass at mapping out the Season Three storyline for each. In my case, I was assigned Stannis/Mel/Davos, Arya, and Bran. This work was done as we were finishing up Season 2 production and over the holiday break.
  3. In January, back in Los Angeles, the four of us met, threw all our first drafts up on the board and hashed out the season, combining stuff, throwing stuff out, coming up with new stuff, going back to the books for stuff we might have missed, etc… this took a couple of weeks. By the end, we had a rough season mapped out on the board.
  4. Each of us was then assigned a cluster of episodes to outline… I can’t remember which ones I worked on… Once those were turned in, David & Dan did a final pass on all of it and we had a solid, detailed outline for the season.
  5. I was assigned episode five. I had about a month to write the first draft, as I recall. I worked off the outline, but there was room (within reason) to invent new scenes, change the order, etc… Then I get my notes, do revisions, etc… we tweak the scripts as we go and, in some cases, come up with new scenes during production. Sometimes those later scenes are written by D&D — for example, there’s an encounter with Jon & Orell in 305 that I didn’t write. And sometimes, storylines shift — usually this is with Dany. All the Essos scenes in 305 were originally scripted by D&D for 306 but moved into my script early in pre-production. Happy to have them, there, though!

In terms of my own process in writing the individual episodes, I go back and forth between the outline and the source chapters. I spend a lot of time just reading and rereading them and writing the scenes in my head… it’s usually awhile before I actually start typing. I like to work in public places (coffee shops, etc) alternating between the ambient noise and listening to Ramin’s GoT music on my headphones. I tend to tackle each character one by one — with 305, I wrote all the Arya stuff first… And in every episode there’s a scene or storyline I have a helluva time working out. That stuff is usually written in a mad frenzy, late at night, the night before it’s due. For 305, it was a particular Sansa scene (that was largely rewritten anyway due to a production issue… oh, well.)

Drogonator: Hey Bryan I’m a huge fan and you guys do great work. I don’t want to ask a spoilery question for the sake of those who aren’t caught up or readers.

So I would like to know, does the writing team throw out a bunch of ideas for added scenes that weren’t in the book and choose which works the best or do David and Dan have it all played out already and let you flesh it out on paper? I ask because these are some of my favorite scenes, Ros’ pov in westeros gets a lot of hate on the message boards and I feel it is unwarranted because she is the only perspective we get from someone who isn’t a power player.

Bryan: It varies. Sometimes they’re conceived in the room, often they happen as we’re writing individually, sometimes they’re written as we’re shooting when realize we need to service a character or a subplot… Ros sort of evolved as we went along — from day player to sort of exposition tool (a way of learning about Theon, Littlefinger, and Pycelle in Season 1) to, as you say, a kind of window into the world from the ‘smallfolk’ POV in Season 2… and when certain scenes (the killing of the bastards, Cersei arresting the wrong whore) came up we decided to use Ros, since she was a character the audience was familiar with. It sort of became a “country girl moves to the city with big dreams” story that takes a lot of dark turns. And, as you saw at the end of last season, she plays a part in the Littlefinger vs. Varys subplot which was largely created for the show. And, it must be said, Esme has turned in a very subtle and interesting performance through it all — if you track her from that first scene in 101 to the current season it’s a nice arc. But, yeah, I know some fans aren’t crazy about her. Sorry.

Siobhan: Why, in the show, did Robb and Cat not learn of the “deaths” of Bran and Rickon before making their decisions to, respectively, break a marriage pact and release their most valuable prisoner?

Bryan: I think that decision came about in the writers room as we were shaping the season… I think it was felt the uncertainty would be interesting for Michelle and Rich to play — so it would be a kind of slow burning grief as opposed to the sucker punch of Ned’s death in Season One. So Cat has this feeling of dread that they’re gone but just doesn’t know, which in some ways is even worse. I think it finally comes to a head in the scene with her and the Blackfish in 303 — I think in that moment she believes they’re dead.

But, yes, it altered the circumstances/motivations of Robb and Cat’s actions in Season 2. Dramatically, we wanted Robb and Cat to be solidly together in Season One and ripped apart by the end of Season 2. And, yes, in the show, Robb’s breaking of his marriage vow is motivated partly by the uncertainty of Bran and Rickon’s fate but also by the fact that he can’t shake the fact that he’s fallen in love. Yes, it’s arguably a grayer, more selfish act than in the book, but to err is to be human. It was thought it would be dramatically compelling for the actors and the viewers.

As for Cat and freeing Jaime, there was a ticking clock element added to it. Karstark wants blood, he’s gonna lynch Jaime. Cat can either let that happen and lose any chance of bargaining for Arya & Sansa or she can roll the dice and let him go. The events of that episode were also designed to plant the Karstark vengeance storyline which you’re seeing out this season.

But, yeah, admittedly different from the book. Most of this stuff came out of what we felt would play well dramatically in the episodic TV format. Of course, you could argue that doing it the way the book did it would have played well too, and that may very well be true, but this was the direction we decided to go.

Matt: How many times have you read each book? When you write for the show do you make decisions for the season and worry about the repercussions of the full series later or do you give preference to the series?

Bryan: Let’s see… definitely read A Game of Thrones the most — at least eight times. A Clash of Kings probably five or six… A Storm of Swords five times, I think… Feast for Crows three times. Dance with Dragons twice. But I’m about to do a reread of both of those. And I’m constantly reading bits and pieces of all of them.

Yes, we’re mindful of the future and are in communication with George about all of it, but decisions are made according to what D&D feel is best for the show. There’s show canon and there’s book canon, which George totally gets and supports.

Al: What happened to the peach?

Bryan: Gethin Anthony. Bloody diva. He hates peaches. I mean HATES THEM. I was at lunch with him, early on — this is like, season one when we were all getting to know each other. There was this chocolate cake thing he ordered for desert and there was a kind of fruity sauce on it. He took one bite and said “Are there FUCKING PEACHES in this sauce?” Dude roared, I’ve never seen anything like it. Finn Jones was with us and we had to physically keep Geth from punching the waiter in the teeth. All the while, I’m thinking “Oh no! What are we going to do when we get to the peach in Season 2?”

So season 2 rolls around and we get to the scene and we do these table reads of the first few episodes. And Gethin is there, very nice… but he takes David & Dan aside. And I see him talking to D&D turning BRIGHT RED… like he’s about to have a breakdown or something. Then I remember: the peach! He’s read the draft! The scene with the peach! And David & Dan are trying to explain the symbolic meaning of the peach and how it’s a fan favorite and how many readers can’t separate Renly from the peach… We even had George skype with him about it — Gethin was so angry, foaming at the mouth. I didn’t think anyone could make George R.R. Martin cry but Gethin did. I can’t even repeat the things he said.

I’ve never seen anyone hate a specific fruit so much! And usually Geth’s a really sweet guy… you might even call him a “peach”. But don’t. Cuz if you do, he’ll cut you.

Anyway, no dice. He threatened to walk if we made him eat a peach. We offered to make a fake peach, out of gelatin or something, but that didn’t fly. He wouldn’t even PRETEND to eat a peach onscreen. We tried a few takes with him eating an apple… I think maybe one with a bunch of grapes… but it just didn’t work. So we cut the fruit altogether. But you can blame Gethin fucking Anthony and his weird peach hatred.

I hope by now you know I’m joking. I don’t know what happened to the peach. It was in there at one point, I think. Maybe there weren’t any peaches in season in Belfast that month…

The Dragon Demands: Has King Jaehaerys II officially been removed from the TV-continuity? Maester Aemon in the TV series says that the Mad King was the son of his brother Aegon V, when in the books he was Aegon’s grandson.

Yes, he’s officially out of show canon. In GAME OF THRONES canon, Egg is the Mad King’s father.

Dominique: Book fans have discussed the Jeyne Westerling -> Talisa Maegyr character and storyline change at length, with some being very vocal in their opinions. However, to my knowledge no interview with DB, DW or yourself went in depth on that topic, so we could only guess at the motivations behind the change.

I would like to know what are the main points that really motivated that change.

Was the Westerling family politics deemed too complex to explain? Was Jeyne’s personality and meeting with Robb deemed too bland? Was the introduction of Volantis background an active priority for some reason?

With all due respect to the difficulty and conflicting pressures of adaptation, we would like to know the inside story!

Bryan: Actually, I did talk about this a bit last year in an interview I did with Alyssa Rosenberg at ThinkProgress. Can’t really speak to what motivated the change as it happened during production, after the writers’ room was done. We did always plan to keep Robb front and center in Season Two from the get-go and we did plan to have him fall in love onscreen and alter the motivation for his breaking of the marriage pact somewhat (as discussed in the question above). But Jeyne Westerling evolved into Talisa as we were starting production. I’m guessing the idea was introduce a wild card into Robb’s life, something he could never have anticipated… but again, D&D created the character so it’s not really my place to say what motivated the change, as I wasn’t privy to the conversation. All that said, I love Rich and Oona together and really enjoy how the relationship plays out in Season Three.

Crys: I’ve got a question about a detail in episode 13 “What is dead may never die”. I’m wondering if the scene in which Samwell gives Gilly a thimble could be a reference to the kiss in Peter Pan.

Bryan: Hey! Look at that. Never occurred to me. Perhaps it was a subconscious nod. No, I was just trying to find a way to get Sam’s close relationship with his mother into the scene and thought a thimble would be a plausibly tiny thing he could take to the Wall, a remembrance of his mother, that his father wouldn’t have noticed.

Jen: Understandably there have been characters and events that were altered or cut due to constraints of the show. Were there any characters or events in particular that you were upset/disappointed about not making it into the show?

Bryan: Hmmm… well, there is one scene that Dan Weiss wrote for Marillion in Season One that I thought was really funny and probably hewed closer to the Marillion of the books… They’re on the road to the Vale and Marillion is trying to write a song about capturing the Imp but he’s having trouble getting it right. And there were some hilarious lines he wrote for Marillion when he got wounded in the fight with the Mountain clans. But I think there was a concern that we were veering to far into Monty Python territory with that stuff. We probably were, it was probably a good cut… but I thought it was funny.

Jenny: How did the decision come about to cut out most of the Qhorin Halfhand relationship with Jon and instead replace it with more Jon and Ygritte? Was there any concern that this sacrifice would confuse Jon’s motivations for killing the Halfhand?

Bryan: Admittedly, it happens fast, but if you listen closely it’s pretty clear that Qhorin is ordering Jon to infiltrate the wildlings by any means necessary. I think some of the alterations might have had to do with making it plausible onscreen that the wildlings would believe Jon was really betraying the watch and killing Qhorin of his own volition. But, yeah, you’re right there was definitely a conscious decision made for Ygritte to make a bigger impression in Season 2 and for the Jon/Ygritte relationship to be more central.

Robb: I recall from a prior interview of yours that in Season 1, one of the shows was running a little short, so you wrote a new scene (I believe it was the Tyrion/Theon interaction). Can you talk a little bit about the shooting/ editing/reshooting process. Are the video editors in Ireland or LA? Are they cutting scenes simultaneously to shooting? Are you basically seeing rough cuts of these episodes immediately, thus allowing you to know exact running times and writing/shooting more material as needed on the fly.

Bryan: Yeah, we were still figuring out what we were doing in Season One — how much we were able to shoot with Belfast’s unpredictable weather, etc. It’s amazing we have those two brief tourney sequences at all! It rained constantly and we had very little time to get everything we needed. Anyway, we ended up cutting scenes down as we were shooting them, in order to make our days… again to bring up Marillion… his original scripted encounter with Rodrik and Cat in the inn was much longer.

But what ended up happening was that some of the episodes were running short once rough cuts were being assembled. But, more than that, I think D&D realized some characters and/or relationships needed fleshing out. Theon’s one example — we had that Ros scene but we felt we needed something else to get more information about him. So that Tyrion/Theon scene served that purpose and gave us the opportunity to have those characters interact. Other scenes that were scripted and shot during this period were the Robert/Cersei scene in 105 (one of my favorites), the Robert/Barristan/Jaime scene in 103, the Sansa/Septa Mordane scene in 104, the Jorah/Rakharo/Irri scene in 103, the Viserys/Doreah scene in 104, the Tyrion/Benjen/Yoren scene in 103, the Theon/Osha/Luwin scene in 107, the Tywin/Jaime scene in 107, and the Jaime/Jory scene in 104. I can’t imagine the first season without those scenes. So it’s a good thing those eps were running short!

But, to answer your question, post production/editing/etc starts in Northern Ireland while we’re shooting and continues in LA once principal photography has wrapped.

Justin: Why were Robb and Talisa married in the light of the Seven rather than in front of a Heart Tree?

Bryan: Shotgun wedding! Of sorts. They wanted to get married and there was a septon readily available. At any rate, Robb was raised in an interfaith household — he could very well have spent as much time with with Septon Chayle growing up as he did in the godswood. So I don’t see a problem with him having a Seven wedding. But I guess a lot of people do cuz I get asked that question all the time.

Now the line about Karstark praying to the Father in 208… yeah, I should’ve caught that. Karstark would be strictly Old Gods, I think. If it helps, you could read it as “I’d even break my faith and pray to the bloody FATHER if that’s what it took to bring my sons back”… but I’m not sure that was the intent. But maybe it was. I try my best!

Joe: Has there been a transition for you when you’ve said to yourself, “This is just another day at work.”? Maybe there hasn’t been at all and you walk on set and just marvel that you get to be a part of this thing. Put me in your shoes, how does it look through your eyes?

Bryan: The day I ever say “this is just another day at work” or “ugh, I wish I didn’t have to go to work today” someone better find me and slap the shit out of me, because it’s the greatest job in the world and the most creative and fulfilling professional experience I’ve ever had. Couldn’t be prouder of the show and couldn’t be more fond of my GoT family.

Winter Is Coming: Many thanks to Bryan for doing this! As I mentioned in the intro, we plan to make this a semi-regular thing. My hope is that Vanessa Taylor, David Benioff and D.B. Weiss may even answer a few questions at some point. But for now, Bryan has agreed to continue. I’m sure fans will have more than a few questions once Bryan’s episode airs this Sunday. Use this form to submit any questions you may have about “Kissed by Fire” or any other questions pertaining to Game of Thrones!


210 Comments

  1. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Dear Bryan Cogman,

    You are awesome. Can’t wait for the next episode of GoT!

    P.S. Hodor of House Hodor sends his regards.

  2. Baihu1983
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Good read. But i thought George claimed it was him who changed her to Talisa? Was he just trying to kill some of the hate from book fans?

  3. Lynn
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Great questions and really forthcoming answers. This feature is a winner! It is known.

    (LOL about the peach.)

  4. Arnel
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I really wish the peach thing were true, I was dying at my desk!

  5. Yago
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    5000 for all secrets?

  6. Villane
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Love that he’s doing this! Can’t wait for another batch of questions.

  7. OhManymous
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Nice article. I love getting into the minds of the writers. Say what you will about acting and production values – I think writers make up 90% of what makes a show great.

  8. Rukie44
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how long it took people reading through the peach explanition before they realized that Bryan was joking. That story is so funny that I almost wish it were true (lol George Skyping Gethin to explain the importance of the peach).

  9. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I was laughing so hard at the peach. I really believed it was true!

    Also, book readers, I have a question:

    Will Jaime ask Roose Bolton to send Robb Stark his regards next episode or will it be after that? Roose, Jaime and Brienne have their big conversation next episode but the conversation about sending regards happens a bit later. Which episode will it likely be in?

  10. Michel
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Nice Q&A, I didn’t know that the writers of GoT had read the aSoIaF series so many times. I’m now even more sure that they know what they are doing and that they really care for us fans.

    I’m the only that really belivied the whole thing about the peach? Haha

  11. Michel
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Episode 306: “The Climb” – May 5th

    Tywin (Charles Dance) plans strategic unions for the Lannisters. Melisandre (Carice van Houten) visits the Riverlands. Robb (Richard Madden) weighs a compromise to repair his alliance with House Frey. Roose Bolton (Michael McElhatton) decides what to do with Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau). Jon (Kit Harington), Ygritte (Rose Leslie) and the Wildlings face a daunting climb. Written for television by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by Alik Sakharov.

  12. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Thanks.

  13. Juego de Tronos
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Very nice interview!

  14. gtabbo
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Probably episode 6. The episode synopsis says that Bolton will decide what to do with Jaime.

  15. Sandsnake
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Add me to the list of people who actually believed the peach story right up until Bryan said he was joking :D

    This feature is already a winner and my question has been submitted for the next bunch. Thanks for taking the time out to interact with us Bryan. Keep up the good work on the show, only 4 episodes in and this season is already shaping up to be the best yet!

  16. D'Arcy
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    I want his job.

  17. Winter Is Coming
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Baihu1983:
    Good read. But i thought George claimed it was him who changed her to Talisa? Was he just trying to kill some of the hate from book fans?

    He was the one that suggested they change the character name since the character D&D created was totally different than the Jeyne of the novels

  18. Yago
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Really interesting stuff.

  19. GG
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    LOL Bryan Cogman does an excellent grumpy cat impression.

  20. Jay
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Baihu1983,
    It was his idea to change her name once the writers had already changed everything else.

  21. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Baihu1983,

    George did weigh in on changing her name, yes.

  22. Hear Me Roar
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    As I’ve said before: Bryan is the man.

    Now you see why :)

  23. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Awesome interview, and I was fooled the entire way through on the peach thing.

    And to Bryan, for all the secrets, I will offer you $20. $20! You can’t get a better deal! (Insert shot of Lorne Michaels offering the Beatles $3000 to reunite.)

  24. Belwas's Stool
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic interview. Great questions and good honest answers. This should settle some of the people down who worry about them not knowing what to do when they catch up.

  25. Matt
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    His explanation about Renly not eating the peach was hilarious. I was literally laughing out loud at my desk ha ha ha

  26. Arthur
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Wow, very interesting answers.

    I was a huge Ros hater only because she was mostly used (IMO) as a doorway to a whorehouse scene. An excuse to show tits while giving some character background.

    I don’t really mind her at all now. Even last episode she was great with Varys and I caught the line when Varys was like “You can read, thats rare for a person in your profession” and Ros was like “former profession”.

    I thought that was kind of cool because it was kind of like a nod to all the Ros haters (people like myself), that said, “Relax people! Ros aint going to be just an excuse to show tits anymore”.

    But we will see if that holds true. So far, in season 3, I have no problem with Ros at all. Her scenes have been enjoyable. I don’t see how anyone can bitch about her as of yet. Even the Pod scene of him staring at her boobs was funny…

  27. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Thanks so much for doing this Bryan! It was really awesome to get in the head of the lore expert. Also, my heart started racing when I saw that my question got picked!

  28. Mike Chair
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the peach story. I bought it. I thought Bryan only was exaggerating to be funny and that the story had some basis in fact. Wrong. The fact that he fabricated the whole story was brilliant and demonstrative of his ruthless imagination. So be careful. Don’t piss him off. No one is safe. NO ONE!

  29. Lea
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    I thoroughly enjoyed reading your answers, Bryan. They were insightful, and I have an even bigger respect for the writing process and all that is involved in production. And hats off to those that asked these great questions!

  30. Caro H
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting stuff here! Thanks WiC for coming up with this ask the writer thing and thanks to B.C for answering us :)

  31. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Bryan, very inciteful! Can someone please ask him if there is any chance of us seeing any outtakes anytime?

  32. thupple
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    At first, I was surprised the show people cared so much about the peach. But then Bryan sold it so well, I was quickly into feverishly wondering what horrible sexual abuse Gethin suffered at the hands of a peach. Faceplant! God, that was Hilarious.

    I could read interviews like this all day long.

    And count me in for envying this dream job. Though he is paying for it in being utterly spoiled for the upcoming books, so thanks for taking one for the team, Bryan!

    Also reading about Santa Fe made me want green chile. Sigh.

  33. Nancy
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Much thanks to Bryan for taking the time to answer such wonderful questions with insightful and great answers.
    Two things: Bryan could be the twin of the supervisor I had during my internship when I was getting my Master’s degree. Second, I know the peach story was a joke but my Mom has a true hatred of peaches on that level. She can’t even look at them. And she totally would have made GRRM cry about it.

  34. David Rosenblatt
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else thinks Bryan Cogman looksblike Heisenberg? And not Bryan Cranston. I mean Heisenberg. Strictly Heisenberg.

  35. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman, you are one good looking dude… seriously…

  36. Nick_Scryer
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Hey Bryan! Thanks for answering my question, really interesting to hear how it’s all worked out and organised.

  37. Viola
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Robb and Talisa in front of the Septon – I personally took it that he was asserting that he was his ‘own man’ and not under his mother’s paw. He doesn’t make the best decisions, so I took it to be that.

    You’re missed on Twitter, Bryan. And damn the peach story. I believed it until the end.

  38. G_Lee
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Soooo great he is doing this stuff. We love you Bryan Cogman. A true hero that man.

  39. Theon's Missing Junk
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Bryan is THE MAN. So glad to have someone like him on this series. Keep up the good work. Hope we have some more Q&A segments.

    Oh and the Gethin Anthony story is hilarious. I’d love to see his reaction. Someone tweet him!

  40. charles
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    the Renly peach rant was hilarious.

  41. bufkus
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    I’m very disappointed that the peach story turned out to be a joke!
    Great interview. Glad that Cogman admitted they make mistakes (like with Karstark’s father reference). He sounds like he really knows his ASoIaF.

  42. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Answering these questions must have required some serious subtlety in places and you’re brave to subject yourself, Mr. C. Ha, losing the peach is more than worth it for this story. Looking forward to your episode.

  43. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    David Rosenblatt,

    I’m uncertain about that. ;)

  44. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    I will study the details of this subject post in the next few minutes………but……
    Mr Cogman had my attention when he mentioned Renley’s PEACH ! Those
    are ” fighting words ” my friend. You are indeed the brave one (:

  45. Jake Rogers
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Bryan. You’re a great man. It’s your one redeeming quality. That, and your cheekbones.

  46. David R Witanowski
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    The peach thing nearly made me shoot soda out of my nose. Good stuff. A very interesting read, though I still don’t understand the Jayne / Talisa decision.

  47. Kate
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Very interesting. I’m very surprised that some of the best Season 1 scenes are the ones that were written as “filler”. Amazing!

    Baihu1983:
    But i thought George claimed it was him who changed her to Talisa? Was he just trying to kill some of the hate from book fans?

    In the writer’s room they planned to include Jeyne Westerling. During the production, D&D decided to change it and convert her just to “Jeyne”, a camp nurse without connection to Westerosi nobility. Then GRRM pointed out that Jeyne wasn’t a Volantene name, and if they were going to change the character so much, they should change the name as well.

  48. Jay
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    So, he essentially didn’t answer the question about the peach. WE DEMAND ANSWERS!

    Nah, I think it was an item you could omit. The only reason it was there was to that Stannis could say “Renly and his peach … ” later in the books. Now he just has to say “Renly …”

    Still not a fan of the name changes. The whole Talisa thing is odd. She’s some random Volantene hanging out in the Westerlands? What was she doing there? Why did they get married in a sept? Wouldn’t she follow R’hllor if she’s from Volantis? Why does Robb fall for her? He fell for Jeyne because she saw him naked while patching his wounds. There was some hasty oversight here.

  49. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Jake Rogers,

    You’re a clever man, Jake Rogers. But you’re not half as clever as you think you are.

  50. The Winter Rose
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Bryan thank you so much for taking the time to answer fan questions. We all appreciate it. Keep up the great work :)

  51. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    I believed that Peach story right until the very end, dammit! But when I realized he was joking I was in hysterics. Definitely kudos to his imagination. I love his two prior episodes and have listened to him and Kit’s commentary from season1′s dvd many times. You are insightful, passionate and a great inspiration to other writers Mr Cogman, keep it up. Can’t wait for episode 5 :D

  52. Shan
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Well, he has to say it just as Jaime is leaving Harrenhall. It was part of an exchange. Roose (after his men have chopped off Jaime’s hand and done all of this other horrible stuff to him) very casually tells Jaime to say hi to his father for him when he gets back to KL. Jaime sort of stares at him for a second and then says, “Uh, okay, yeah, and you say hi to Robb Stark for me, I guess.”

    So, I’m guessing Episode 6, since the synopsis makes it sound like Episode 6 is him leaving Harrenhall, and Episode 7 is him coming back.

  53. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    Yeah, that makes sense. Initially, I thought they might merge that line into the meeting in episode 5 to streamline Roose Bolton’s appearances but these guys are really faithful to the books – which is great!

  54. Dogmayor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    I want to know why they butchered Stannis.

  55. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Dogmayor,

    Bryan would have written Davos’s scene with Stannis next episode, so we’ll see what happens soon.

  56. Omar Brown
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Ser Bryan. I am among the one that really apreciates the work you put in the show. I cannot imagne the work to translating these works into a workable script. Sure not everything will be perfect, but the success of the show proves you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work! And dont mind the haters, most of them can’t even write a decent forum post, yet think they are better suited for the job. HAR!

  57. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and great to know there’s some kind of encounter between Jon and Orrell in the next episode…

  58. Alex
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Fascinating article. It goes to show how much in advance they start plan a season – over a year in advance. Season 5 seems a sure thing as they will start on that later this year. It sounds also as if the series will increasingly diverge from the books and that they are assuming that WOW won’t be finished before they have to tackle post DWD events, say in series 5 or 6.

  59. jasonw
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    does anyone else want to see Gethin Anthony on Maury on an episode about people who have strange fear. Him sitting on stage and a person in a giant peach costume comes out with a plate full of peaches.

    just like this guy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wwG0ZLzU7w

  60. Isabelle
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Thank you so much for doing this, Bryan!!! Great fun to read and I look forward to the next one!

    …sometimes, storylines shift — usually this is with Dany. All the Essos scenes in 305 were originally scripted by D&D for 306 but moved into my script early in pre-production. Happy to have them, there, though!

    With everything else that’s coming up in the next episode, I hadn’t thought there’d be much room for Dany. Can’t wait to find out what she’ll be up to.

    ETA: Watched the preview again–yep, she’s there all right. She’ll probably get to know her Unsullied and meet Grey Worm.

  61. Gregory Kelton
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Rukie44:
    I wonder howlong it took people reading through the peach explanition before they realized that Bryan was joking. That story is so funny that I almost wish it were true (lol George Skyping Gethin to explain the importance of the peach).

    For me it was the “We had to restrain him from punching the waiter in the teeth”. Way too over the top. Very funny!

  62. ebevan91
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    I wish B-Cogs could write more than 1 episode per season.

  63. mariamb18
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    A great read – thanks, Bryan. And thanks to WIC for making this happen.

    I didn’t buy (almost but not quite) the “Gethin hates peaches” story. It made Gethin sound like an unreasonable jerk and he has always seemed charming and polite in interviews. Nonetheless, it was hilarious and it did make me stop and think.

  64. Melisandre
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    That was such an interesting read! And I actually believed the peach story right up to the end. How silly of me :)

    Thank you, Bryan! And WiC for coming up with this feature.

  65. Shan
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Yeah, I hope they don’t combine appearances! Roose Bolton is awesome, and doesn’t get enough screentime as it is. And him having dinner with J&B is passive-agressive comedy gold on par with the chair-moving scene with the Small Council. I can imagine the moment when Jaime realizes that he can’t eat any of the food with only one hand translating really well on screen…

    Looks at meat. Looks at fork and knife. Back at meat. Back at fork and knife. Resigned sigh.

  66. Isabelle
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Shan:

    Looks at meat. Looks at fork and knife. Back at meat. Back at fork and knife. Resigned sigh.

    Ha! Poor sod. You’ll enjoy this:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lz3lAd2nGQ

    (I know, the golden hand comes later, but still. Poor Jaime!)

  67. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    That would be funny. But yeah, I’m a big fan of Roose Bolton. Him and Beric Dondarrion. So this will be a good episode for me.

  68. Adam Whitehead
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Baihu1983,

    In addition to the above, IIRC it also George who came up with her name. I assume they asked him what a Volantene-sounding name would be and he came up with that.

    Where her having the same surname as one of the triarchs of Volantis is relevant is another question.

  69. Andrew
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for doing this, Mr. Cogman! Really interesting answers. Oh, how I wish the Gethin/Peach story was real :P

  70. Morrigan
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Of course, you could argue that doing it the way the book did it would have played well too, and that may very well be true, but this was the direction we decided to go.

    …Hmph. Yeah. -_-

  71. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I don’t much buy into the ” ticking clock ” assessment for the show’s premature
    release of Jaime , from Robb’s camp, OR the assumption that Qhorin’s role
    was “pretty clear ” ……But… I can see from Cogman’s perspective that the
    ongoing creative process ( and streamlining the story ) is an ongoing if
    neverending project. Their needs aren’t always in sync with the anticipations of
    the expectant fans.

    Adam Whitehead raised a serious subject here, that’s been at the forefront of many
    familiar with the books as source material for the show……… is there enough for
    future seasons, and has GRRM shared the end game ? Mr. Cogman touched on
    what some have been speculating, but not explicitly.

    I wonder what’s the real premise behind mixing up the time scheme or pacing
    of certain story arcs ?

  72. witless chum
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    He probably just hasn’t created that many Volantene names.

  73. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe:
    Oh, and great to know there’s some kind of encounter between Jon and Orrell in the next episode…

    Looking forward too….. *>*

  74. Cary Storm
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    I believed the Gethin Anthony story until you said that Gethin made George cry on Skype. Then you lost me.

  75. Cary Storm
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I wonder what’s the real premise behind mixing up the time scheme or pacing
    of certain story arcs ?

    I would expect it’s the license involved in making a great television show, according to the creative team. That they feel that some things work and some things don’t, and some of it is just gut instinct (as with any artist).

  76. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and the subject of Stannis Baratheon, why is he p* whipped guy ?
    Are all fans okay with this version of him , in his relationship with
    Melisandre ? The stoic, dynamic hardass that grinds his teeth when
    relaxing is missing so far this season, bring him back in a
    different light or skip the ” don’t call me, I ‘ll call you , I promise ‘
    scenes.

    Okay, rant over (:

  77. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I can see from Cogman’s perspective that the
    ongoing creative process ( and streamlining the story ) is an ongoing if
    neverending project. Their needs aren’t always in sync with the anticipations of
    the expectant fans.

    Cary Storm: I would expect it’s the license involved in making a great television show, according to the creative team. That they feel that some things work and some things don’t, and some of it is just gut instinct (as with any artist).

    I agree with you, and implied as such. Mr Cogman is quite a candid guy, I was
    wondering if a gem or two would shed light on the actual rationale. The interview
    is very interesting and confirmed a question or two, definitely appreciative of his
    willingness to discuss the show with us in any detail. I’m enjoying the read.

  78. kris
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I am liking Ros alot this season too. I am okay with the t&a but was bummed that it seemed all Esme Bianco was on screen for. Now, she is actually in the game. I dig it, though I have to wonder for how long. I have no doubt she is the Ser Dantos replacement and will be getting an arrow through the heart after she helps Littlefinger snag Sansa.

    Still not 100% happy with trading Jeyne for Talisa. I always felt Robb DID fall in love with her (Jeyne) but was driven by honor at first to marry her. With Talisa, it just seemed so out of character for Ned Starks son.

  79. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Dogmayor:
    I want to know why they butchered Stannis.

    I’m disappointed too, but I have hope that his role and image is salvageable,
    since he’ll be sticking around for a while, same for Jon Snow. That’s a big
    plus, and unlike poor Qhorin Halfhand and Captain America Dontos’s roles.

  80. Hollyoak
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I just listened to Bryan’s commentary on What is Dead may Never Die. Good stuff. It was nice to hear his conversation with Alik Sakharov on the mechanics of writing and directing.

    Thanks for indulging our rabid fan base, Bryan.

  81. Second Son
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Jay:
    So, he essentially didn’t answer the question about the peach.WE DEMAND ANSWERS!

    Nah, I think it was an item you could omit.The only reason it was there was to that Stannis could say “Renly and his peach … ” later in the books.Now he just has to say “Renly …”

    Still not a fan of the name changes.The whole Talisa thing is odd.She’s some random Volantene hanging out in the Westerlands? What was she doing there?Why did they get married in a sept? Wouldn’t she follow R’hllor if she’s from Volantis?Why does Robb fall for her? He fell for Jeyne because she saw him naked while patching his wounds.There was some hasty oversight here.

    Hi, Jay. The reason the peach was there was not just so Stannis could say “Renly and his peach.” The peach, and the fact that Renly was eating it at their parlay, spoke volumes about the disdain that he had for his older brother. Imagine how disrespectful it would seem to Stannis for his little brother, who thinks he should be king, and is now only parlaying with him to “warn” him, to devour a peach while they’re talking. It showed how cocky and overconfident Renly was, not to mention it being hilarious.

    And no, Robb didn’t fall for Jeyne just because she saw him naked. She was there when he learned that his two little brothers were “dead.” She comforted him, which led to Robb’s weakness and, ultimately, his downfall.

  82. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    kris: Still not 100% happy with trading Jeyne for Talisa. I always felt Robb DID fall in love with her (Jeyne) but was driven by honor at first to marry her. With Talisa, it just seemed so out of character for Ned Starks son.

    Makes him appear impulsive and horny, albeit quite accurate for the moments in
    the books, yet at least the book lends more eloquence and reasoning when
    addressing the subject. In spite of his ” urges “, his maturity in recognizing his
    circumstance allowed him to address his mother and bannermen with reflection &
    effectual words. Now we have ” don’t fuck with me ” , what ‘cha gonna do about it “,
    Robb. Karstark and his Northmen appear to have a stronger cause at pushing
    this war forward. I was enlightened however, with Robb mentioning his sisters
    ( at all ), to his nuncle Edmund Tully. It seems Catelyn isn’t the only one thinking
    of them. Brienne is completely focused on Jaime at the moment.

  83. Doloures Edd
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Superb article. Really interesting and insightful

  84. Greg
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    I like Ros, but I can’t see her lasting much longer. I think she’ll be killed in Season 4, when Sansa escapes from Joffrey’s wedding. Ros’ll take Sansa to Littlefinger’s ship and once Sansa is in her cabin, Littlefinger will pull Ros aside and be all “I know you’ve been working with Varys” and have her thrown into the sea or stabbed or something.

  85. gtabbo
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I think that is of the table since the showrunners recently confirmed that Ser Dontos has yet a role to play after all.

  86. Amanda M
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Yay, thank you for posting! A great read :D

    I have a silly question though — If we submitted a question previously and it wasn’t chosen, does that mean it’s basically been “thrown out” for all other future interviews like this? I ask because I don’t want to unnecessarily ask the same question again (if it could still come up again), or ask the same question knowing that it won’t get chosen because it was not picked the first time :P

    Thanks!

  87. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    gtabbo,

    Littlefinger will rid himself of Ros this season, I believe. I think he’ll catch wind of her going through his books. In fact, I even reckon he put those books there on purpose in order to spread misinformation.

    I just can’t get my head around how Littlefinger could possibily remove Sansa Stark now. He would be a prime suspect and in for some serious trouble from Tywin Lannister. He needs the cover of the PW and a position outside of the capital to achieve that.

  88. Suzaku
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Bryan: I’m afraid I can’t talk about stuff that may or may not be dramatized in future seasons… I will say that the characters’ relationship to the past is something the show will explore, it’s just a question of what devices we use and when it’s most effective… so there’s a vague answer for you!

    My friend and I were just theorizing about this, and I think we’ve got the answer for what device they’re going to use to explore the character’s histories and all the visions and dreams we haven’t seen: Bran.

    His story is advancing quite rapidly compared to the books, and his journey North of the Wall has some cool moments, but it’s not something you can easily make multiple seasons out of.

    However, he can be used as a window into other points in time, into the future, even into the present.

    Through Bran they can have complete control over when and how they’ll present this material, and will be able to tie flashbacks and visions into episodes thematically, rather than relying upon specific moments from the books to reveal them.

    It could also allow for special guest appearances from characters who have died, which would make for unbelievably incredible fanservice.

  89. Hertolo
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, it’s funny how people can still get agitated about a thing as simple as a peach. Things like that happen with such a big production… I found the other questions more directed at the writing and setting up of the seasons much more interesting. The whole things is very interesting though, good work!

  90. John-Michael
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Ohmigod he really had me going with the peach story! haha. Great Answers Bryan!

  91. Suzaku
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Oh, and the subject of Stannis Baratheon, why is he p* whipped guy ?
    Are all fans okay with this version of him , in his relationship with
    Melisandre ? The stoic, dynamic hardass that grinds his teeth when
    relaxing is missing so far this season, bring him back in a
    different light or skip the ” don’t call me, I ‘ll call you , I promise ‘
    scenes.

    Okay, rant over (:

    He was sort of whipped in the books, too. I think part of what made the perception of him different in Clash and Storm was that your only window into him was Davos, who basically idolized the man. And, ultimately, it’ll be Davos who breaks him out of the stupor and helps him to realize that he needs to save the country to claim the throne instead of claim the throne to save the country.

  92. Crow's Eye
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Book Stannis is p* whipped in ACoK.

    “You do not love the woman. I know that, Davos, I am not blind. My lords mislike her too. Estermont thinks the flaming heart ill-chosen and begs to fight beneath the crowned stag as of old. Ser Guyard says a woman should not be my standard-bearer. Others whisper that she has no place in my war councils, that I ought to send her back to Asshai, that it is sinful to keep her in my tent of a night. Aye, they whisper . . . while she serves.

  93. AngryGoTFan
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    THE KARSTARK PRAYING TO THE FATHER IS THE BIGGEST DESECRATION OF RELIGION SINCE MEL GIBSON!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  94. Richard
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman, as a non-book reader and one who is immensely addicted to this show (I even got cable TV just because of it), all I have to say is, keep doing what you are doing. Don’t let any of the negative feedback get you down. F*ck ‘em. Thank you.

  95. Jay
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Second Son: And no, Robb didn’t fall for Jeyne just because she saw him naked. She was there when he learned that his two little brothers were “dead.” She comforted him, which led to Robb’s weakness and, ultimately, his downfall.

    Symbolism is important in this book, but I don’t think this one was all that important. We’re not talking House of the Undying here. Cocky or not, the fact that the three brothers hated each other had already been well established, so it was not that important to include any more explanation to this fact. I think the “School of Thrones” parody did a great job of showing how ridiculous it would be to be running around with peaches all the time. The scene was supposed to be tense, not funny.

  96. 3waywithCersei
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Great segment, good questions, interesting answers, more please :)

  97. Tereeza777
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Mr. Bryan –
    You know who else is a “peach” of a guy? Jaqen ‘effin’ H’ghar! PLEASE bring him back! (The one with the auburn hair, blue eyes and bedroom voice, who caused tumblr to crash the night he made his first appearance on GoT)
    This season the guys have Missandei, Margaery amd Dany, but for us girls the pickings are getting a little slim. Robb seems so preoccupied with the war and all, and Jaime is just getting way too dirty – that hair – not to mention that hand hanging around his neck – gross!!
    We got short-changed a little with no hot tub scene at Harrenhal ……. so what about Jaqen bathing in the Turkish Baths of Braavos? Maybe this dancer could be performing for him – she looks so Braavosi – and afterwards they could make love and stuff. Please, thank you and Valar Morghulis!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh-0etwy_ro

  98. Wolfheart
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    “but again, D&D created the character so it’s not really my place to say what motivated the change”

    Yeah, the often create/change parts or characters for the show that don’t work well or at all.

    Interesting to know that a team of writers that read the books quite often and dip into them again for notes makes little mistakes that pass through draft and final inspection of scripts… 0.o (speaking of Robb and the wedding of the seven over the old gods and Karstark and the old gods) I understand Cogmans point of view. But Robb did his best to model his father Ned above all. Thus he would logically follow and pray to the old gods. Quibbles I know. At least we don’t get many slip ups.

  99. mead
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Thanks Bryan!!!

    PS Conan Stevens would like to be in s4.

    Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease!

  100. Coltaine777
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Thank you Bryan Cogman ..YOU KICK ASS !!!!….thank you WIC and TEAM for a wonderful idea …this was an amazing insight into why they did some of the changes they did …absolutely wonderful idea having Mr.Cogman answer fan questions…I really enjoyed it and will also add it as my FAV WIC POST EVER !!!…ALSO some great questions from my fellow fans..well done all ..

  101. db
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Cogman about Ros: “It sort of became a “country girl moves to the city with big dreams” story that takes a lot of dark turns.”

    Sansa. You are describing Sansa.

  102. Anonymous
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Crow’s Eye:
    WildSeed,

    Book Stannis isp* whippedin ACoK.

    Add another to the huge list of incorrectly thought “changes” from the book.

  103. Critical Geek
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Honestly, the one thing I’m annoyed at in the writing is not bringing the written plants that pay off well in the book and would equally pay off well in the series. Two that immediately come to mind is the lack of “You know nothing, Jon Snow”, which has only been said once so far, not every time Ygritte notices Jon seeing stuff for the first time; and “Is there Gold in the Village? Silver? Gems?”

    It’s not like taglines are unknown in visual media, for chrissake. This is directly Brian, Dave, and Dan’s creative decision and fault, as series writers, and is what is meant when book purists get annoyed when perfectly good book to screen lack of adaptation would be better than some of the newly written stuff (The torture guy killed? wtf? Totally not worth losing that payoff later)

  104. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    db,

    Well… yes, Sansa too. The specific question I was answering was about Ros.

    B

  105. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku: He was sort of whipped in the books, too. I think part of what made the perception of him different in Clash and Storm was that your only window into him was Davos, who basically idolized the man. And, ultimately, it’ll be Davos who breaks him out of the stupor and helps him to realize that he needs to save the country to claim the throne instead of claim the throne to save the country.

    This has been addressed before, in previous threads……. Stannis indeed felt the
    need to ” lick his wounds ” after the Blackwater Battle, but not at the expense of
    crying in Meliasandre’s bosom. And the ” I’ll call you ” moment , emphasized
    with a cold shoulder smacked of bad romance. This is soooo beneath Stannis
    _ I’ll – become -king-if-it-kills -me -Baratheon. That scene on GoT was embarrassing.

    If anything, that Dragonstone scene establishes Melisandre’s intentions to find
    another with royal blood for………

  106. Easteros bunny
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I still can’t believe the die hard fans complained about a peach!

  107. The Dragon Demands
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    …but WHY did they remove Jaehaerys II? Because making Aerys II the son of Aegon V will be dramatically more interesting for a potential Tales of Dunk and Egg prequel series?

    And given that the Baratheons are related to the Targaryens through Jaehaerys’ sister, now how are they related?

    Btw, I submitted a LOT of questions the first time around: do I have to re-submit them for the next round, or are they still “on the pile”?

  108. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Crow’s Eye:
    WildSeed,

    Book Stannis isp* whippedin ACoK.

    Well, he he, the man was getting a little on the side, you know, and he did defer
    to her exaltations of being Azor Ahai ( bad spelling ). Still, our man Stannis
    kept his perspective on the prize , not Melisandre’s boobs (:

    The episode remained a high scorer nonetheless, this scene was a small
    disappointment . The sweetheart connection made it’s introduction early
    on in the series, and I see it’s an onscreen reality.

  109. King Tommen
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Wolfheart:
    “but again, D&D created the character so it’s not really my place to say what motivated the change”

    Yeah, the often create/change parts or characters for the show that don’t work well or at all.

    Interesting to know that a team of writers that read the books quite often and dip into them again for notes makes little mistakes that pass through draft and final inspection of scripts… 0.o (speaking of Robb and the wedding of the seven over the old gods and Karstark and the old gods) I understand Cogmans point of view. But Robb did his best to model his father Ned above all. Thus he would logically follow and pray to the old gods. Quibbles I know. At least we don’t get many slip ups.

    I thought Cogman was pretty clear on this (and I agree it’s a pretty insane quibble that doesn’t deserve the amount of teeth-gnashing that some fans still don’t appear to want to let go of).

    It’s a shotgun secret wedding. They’re in the Riverlands, the only guy they can find to perform the wedding is a septon, so they just go ahead with it. And as Bryan said, it’s not like Robb would not have been exposed to this religion growing up with Catelyn, it’s not the sacrilege that is being suggested. You do what you can with the tools at your disposal.

    I find the fact that some people still bring this up a year later as ridiculously silly. It didn’t affect one single thing on the show. Concentrate on things that matter, your life will be better for it…

  110. sunspear
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Further point, Ned married Catelyn in a sept as well. Heck, in ADWD the Karstark girl and the Magnar of Thenn get married under the Lord of Light. Westeros not caring what religion you get married under is pretty much book canon

  111. Matthew Jam
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Great interview, Bryan! It’s really interesting to get a peek into the writers’ room and see how all these things play out. Really makes you appreciate the work and thought that goes into the show. Of course there are always those who are angry that the show is not a line for line performance of the book..

  112. Brian
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Ask him why they stripped all personality from Macne and Tormund and made them so bland. Ask him why they had Brienne say “you sound like a BLOODY WOMAN” when Brienne is one of the most pro-woman characters. Ask him why they had Yara call Theon a “cunt” when she has a whole bit in the books about how stupid men are for using that word as an insult.

  113. Cat of the Canals
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    it’s probably been said to death at this point but man, the answer for the peach. Priceless.

  114. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Thank you very much, Brian, for answering my question and all the others. :-)

    I am generally fine with changes made by the show. It’s not even really a question of which is better or worse, rather of which is more suited to each format. Accordingly, it’s interesting to read about how you approach the issue I mentioned re. Robb and Cat. I hadn’t thought about the change contrasting with the shock of Ned’s death in Season One. It didn’t occur to me that learning about Bran and Rickon’s “deaths” in Season Two might be seen as repetitive.

    Your approach clearly has some advantages, particularly when it comes to Cat’s choice. The show makes it very clear that Jaime might be killed that night, in which case Cat would have nothing and might face the loss of her girls in reprisal for Jaime’s death.

    I see what you mean about Robb’s choice being a more human, more selfish one. There’s a lot that’s worth exploring there, although I do wonder if he shouldn’t be more mature given that his character is aged up in the show. I find it particularly hard to be sympathetic towards him when he’s selfish in this way but seems to have no pity or compassion for his mother’s choice. However, it is clear that what she has done has put him in a difficult situation and deeply angered some of his bannermen. It does put the highlight on the Karstark plot; no argument there. :-)

    What I really feel Robb’s choice in the show loses is this bitter tang of tragic inevitability. Making his choice to sleep with a woman to whom he isn’t betrothed (and then break the marriage pact to “save” her honour) is, in the books, one link in a tragic chain. It’s hard to say where that chain begins and where it ends. Robb is gutted by the apparent loss of his little brothers because Theon felt he couldn’t lose face… Theon wanted to take Winterfell in the first place because his loyalties are so conflicted due to being a hostage of a kind family… Theon became a hostage because of Balon Greyjoy’s rebellion… Balon rebelled because, etc, etc… You could say that the Red Wedding happens because of anyone in this chain (and many more besides, such as the Freys, the Lannisters, etc.). It’s because of everyone and no one at the same time. It somehow feels like a row of dominoes tipping, one action causing the next in a horribly inevitable fashion.

    Blah, I’m going on too long!

    Anyway that’s just my two cents. You did say that I could argue that it would have worked well the way it was in the books, and I do tend to think that it could have worked very well that way too. This is not to denigrate your expertise in writing, your deep knowledge of the books, or your general fandom. I really do appreciate your answers. It’s just my take on this. :-)

  115. db
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    The point was completely missed.. but w/e.

  116. DH87
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Brian: Ask him why they stripped all personality from Macne and Tormund and made them so bland. Ask him why they had Brienne say “you sound like a BLOODY WOMAN” when Brienne is one of the most pro-woman characters. Ask him why they had Yara call Theon a “cunt” when she has a whole bit in the books about how stupid men are for using that word as an insult.

    I suspect these kinds of questions are somewhat moot. The answer is, because D&D wanted to. They are following the typical pattern of showrunners on a successful show. We have to remember that D&D’s goal is not to bring GRRM’s work to the screen as accurately as possible but to further their own careers. There’s a difference. The purchased material is a means to an end. This story is so convoluted that they HAD to have GRRM as a consultant to keep them from getting too far afield too soon, but with success comes the feeling that they (showrunners in general) know better than the creator of the material. They no longer need the book fans to generate the drum beat for the show. The show takes on a life of its own, for good or ill. GOT has become a D&D vehicle, not a GRRM vehicle, and no doubt GRRM knows it.

    I don’t mean any disrespect to Bryan, since it sounds like the original scripts are coming out of the writers’ room pretty close to the books. Then they get the D&D treatment. He’s doing a terrific job and providing much appreciated fan service, which is more than many shows do after they are successful.

    Having been down this road, brick by brick, with another series, I made the decision early on not to reread the books and let the show be the show. That’s what’s going to happen anyway. Book fans have very little to say about it once they’ve done the initial groundwork for the show.

  117. King Tommen
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Really inevitable to see the very worst and insufferable of the book purist fans make an appearance in this thread. Keep banging that drum, it never, ever gets old.

  118. Jamb0
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    So one thing I’ve been wondering about now for a bit, and will continue to even more as we get further and further into the series/story:

    We know that George has clued D&D, and now Bryan, into what is the end-game with the rest of the series. Are they now including little things that will build towards the final stories of the show? Or at what point should be begin over-analyzing events in the show concerning ongoing stories towards the end of the series?

    I’m guessing the meeting at George’s house that Bryan mentions as ‘recently’ took place after most of s3 was written and filmed, so maybe we should begin picking apart every little thing for end-game spoilers next season? Or when do we think these little clues will start being included?

    Maybe I’m just looking for yet another excuse to re-watch the episodes, but I’ve been wondering this for a while now. I know D&D have been privy to the overall story for a while, and it’s always been in the back of my mind while watching.

  119. sunspear
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Brian:
    Ask him why they stripped all personality from Macne and Tormund and made them so bland.

    Tormund maybe, but I don’t see how Mance is stripped down at all. He jokes around about how Jon thought Tormund was King, jokes about the cave people, treats his subjects like old friends. Not to mention his line ‘Always the artists’.

    Ask him why they had Brienne say “you sound like a BLOODY WOMAN” when Brienne is one of the most pro-woman characters.

    Because it’s the type of thing Jaime would say and she wants to throw it in his face.

    Ask him why they had Yara call Theon a “cunt” when she has a whole bit in the books about how stupid men are for using that word as an insult.

    See previous answer.

  120. WildSeed
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Brian:
    Ask him why they stripped all personality from Macne and Tormund and made them so bland.Ask him why they had Brienne say “you sound like a BLOODY WOMAN” when Brienne is one of the most pro-woman characters.Ask him why they had Yara call Theon a “cunt” when she has a whole bit in the books about how stupid men are for using that word as an insult.

    I winced at your mention, and my recollection of the scenes……disappointing.

    However, as reminded by a poorly done film project ( IMO ) viewed last night, it could have been much worst. Game of Thrones has a worthy call to success, the writers and
    production heads have a lot to do with that. The film I watched, ” the Last Legion “,
    had beautiful setting, and a host of well respected actors, but the direction fell
    short. The cast crew were; Colin Firth, Ben Kingsley, Thomas Brodie-Sangster,
    Robert Pugh ( this time a noble Roman commander ), James Cosmo ( a bald maniacal
    thug ), Ian Glenn, ehe actor that portrayed Xharo Daxos Xhoan( bad spelling ),&
    more. The cast credit read like Game of Thrones central. Bad movie, not even cable
    product. Very happy Delaurentis & Co. has nothing to do with GoT, had to sigh relief.

    Game of Thrones is in better, capable hands. There’s never going to be a
    thoroughly satisfied viewer, unless their perception remains to differentiate
    the books from the show. I also respect that adaptations are never easy when
    put to screen, so many considerations of budget and potentials.

  121. Isabelle
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    sunspear:

    Further point, Ned married Catelyn in a sept as well. Heck, in ADWD the Karstark girl and the Magnar of Thenn get married under the Lord of Light. Westeros not caring what religion you get married under is pretty much book canon


    What’s the betting that, once they left the Wall, Alys and Sigorn remarried in front of the first weirwood they could find? I think there’s a pretty good chance. Westeros is full of people who care about the religious niceties–it just matters to some more than others.

  122. King Tommen
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle:
    What’s the betting that Alys and Sigorn remarried in front of the first weirwood they could find once they’d left the Wall? I think there’s a pretty good chance they did.

    If that’s your theory (as wildly speculative and without evidence as it is), then I could say that Robb was planning to do the exact same thing with Talisa as soon as they got back to the North (if he wasn’t slaughtered on the way there) Makes the same amount of sense…

  123. Adam
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I’m disappointed too, but I have hope that his role and image is salvageable,
    since he’ll be sticking around for a while, same for Jon Snow. That’s a big
    plus, and unlike poor Qhorin Halfhand and Captain America Dontos’s roles.

    Be considerate of the non-book readers, use a spoiler tag :)

  124. Boojam
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Har!

    I wish I had not asked about the peach.

    I wish I had asked why the dragons don’t have names yet!

  125. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    db,

    I got your point. Is Sansa’s story not taking enough dark turns for you?

  126. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Siobhán Mooney,

    That’s a very thoughtful response. Much appreciated.

    B

  127. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Boojam,

    They have the same names as in the books — just haven’t found their way into dialogue yet.

  128. Isabelle
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: If that’s your theory (as wildly speculative and without evidence as it is), then I could say that Robb was planning to do the exact same thing with Talisa as soon as they got back to the North (if he wasn’t slaughtered on the way there) Makes the same amount of sense…

    It’s a theory, all right, but given how strongly House Karstark and a people as old and traditional as the Thenns (who still speak Old Tongue and consider the Magnar a god among men) identify with their First Men heritage, I’d say it’s fair speculation. They only married under the Lord of Light to pacify Selyse and Melisandre, after all, and Alys was rolling her eyes at the whole thing throughout the ceremony. And you could say that Robb may very well have been planning to remarry his bride in front of a heart tree once they were back in the North because it does make sense: House Stark has the same pride in its heritage as the other northern houses, and he married in a sept in the books as a matter of convenience (I doubt the Crag had a godswood kicking around). It’s like marrying in a chapel in Vegas, only to redo the ceremony “properly” for your parents and grandparents once you’re “home.” (And am clearly generalising here–nothing wrong with a nice Vegas wedding! : ) )

    Or he may not have cared, or may have wanted to respect his bride’s beliefs–Jeyne Westerling was raised in the Faith of the Seven. It’s a different story with Alys and Sigorn, however, neither of whom believed in the Lord of Light. Anyways, this is all book stuff and I’m probably veering way off-topic!

    My point was that religion is a subjective matter and that it wasn’t altogether accurate to suggest that no one in Westeros cared about religious traditions when it came to events like weddings. Just thought I’d address the example from the book for kicks because I’m really passionate about the stuff from Jon’s storyline.

  129. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    DH87,
    Thx for the kind words for me but…

    Putting aside your rather cynical view of my friends and mentors, I’m not sure what you mean by ‘close to the book’ scripts coming out of the writers room then getting the “D&D” treatment. D&D write most of the scripts… and they ARE the writers room (along with me & Vanessa).

    If I gave another impression of how it works, than I apologize.

    Best,

    B

  130. Josla
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Gregory Kelton: For me it was the “We had to restrain him from punching the waiter in the teeth”.Way too over the top.Very funny!

    At that moment I was like “oh my god, Gethin Anthony is a complete asshole” lol

  131. Loki
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    why did you cut the battle on the fist of first men? it ruined the show for me.

  132. Ace
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    I genuinely feel bad that you get these kind of responses from book fans.

    Great work Bryan! Adapting a complicated, if not sometimes convoluted, book series must be very difficult work. People quibbling about changes or omissions should be wise to remember how much of the spirit of the books Game of Thrones does capture.

  133. Adam
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Loki:
    why did you cut the battle on the fist of first men? it ruined the show for me.

    Because money?

  134. Ace
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    So one brief scene not being included ruined the show for you? What about all the scenes that the show HAS shown faithfully or even improved upon?

  135. gtabbo
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    I figure it was shortened in season 1 to make Aemon’s revelation speech more compact. I don’t think they had a potential Dunk and Egg series in mind back then.

  136. DH87
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Bryan,

    Many thanks for the clarification. Perhaps I read too much into your comment about certain changes being made not in the writers’ room, where some consensus presumably is reached, but later by the showrunners alone.

    Insofar as the “D&D treatment” is concerned, I’m afraid I’m referring to the controversial inclusion of “gratuitous” full-frontal female nudity (e.g.,the tavern scene described by Mr. Marshall), the creation of opportunities for favored actors, such as Miss Bianco (which you addressed), and other changes/workarounds that seem to reflect D&D’s taste level. As a woman, I’m concerned that some of these decisions are creating a barrier to wider appreciation of the show by a female audience. It’s hard to believe the same decision makers who gave us the Dany/Drogo love scenes in Season One are responsible for some of these repetitive, predictable, later scenes.

    I stand by my observations about showrunners of adaptations in general and would like nothing better than to see D&D, who are on the whole doing a tremendous job, avoid the standard pitfalls. True Blood turned from a lively, innovative, pitch-perfect show in Season One to a laughable critical failure in Season Five as its showrunner took it further and further away from the original material. No one wants to see that happen with GOT.

    The episodes written by you and Miss Taylor are some of the best of the show and you should be justly proud of your contributions. It must be a tremendous experience. I predict a bright future for both of you guys. Thank you!

  137. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Just popping in to say that I love the series, and think everyone involved is doing a spectacular job. Could the series be ‘better’? Only in so far as it could occasionally skew closer to my vision, but those kind of things are inevitable when you’re a big fan of the source material. Some of my favorite scenes have been conversations and events that didn’t occur in the text, so I think the show also succeeds as an entity unto itself, in addition to being one of the closest adaptations I’ve seen. So yeah; keep kicking ass.

  138. brermike
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions, and more importantly your great contribution to the show. As a fan of both the books and the show, I love seeing the story unfold on the screen. I really enjoy where the show diverges, condenses, combines characters or events to make the story work as a television show. At the same time, the scenes that are as close to the source material as can be also work quite well. I think both of these things have really made the show as good as it can possibly be. As many complaints as you seem to get on changes, I think Game of Thrones is one of the closest adaptations I’ve experienced, and I thank you, Vanessa, George and D&D for bringing such a wonderful and rich show into my life.

  139. Shan
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    I am so disappointed that that peach story isn’t real. Bwahahahahahahaha…

    Thanks for helping to create something that for ten glorious weeks a year makes me happier than anything in the world could. Sorry you have to put up with this crazy level of obsession. Honestly, it creeps *me* out, and I am fully as obsessed as anyone else. BUT THE DAMN SHOW IS JUST SO OBSESSABLE.

  140. SugarVampire
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Just like I said months ago, GoT is D&D’s show. Many changes made in previous seasons were not necessary because of budget or time constraint as others claimed. In any case, D&D took the risk, did the hard work, produced an amazing series, they can now do whatever they want and deservingly so. It is the viewers like us who had read the books that need to lower our expectations and detach GoT from ASoIaF. Many favorite elements readers enjoyed will be quite different in GoT, be that RW, crossroad Inn, Snow Castle or Red Viper.

    D&D obviously can do great things as showed in the last couple of episodes. They care about many big moments in the books and did deliver powerful scenes on the screen. I think overall the main story arcs of key characters in ASoIaF will be told well, just not sure about those of Jon Snow and Arya, as all sadness and mysticism related to them had been dropped or drained away so far.

  141. Astonished
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    DH87:
    Bryan Cogman,

    True Blood turned from a lively, innovative, pitch-perfect show in Season One to a laughable critical failure in Season Fiveas its showrunner took it further and further away from the original material. No one wants to see that happen with GOT.

    The tendency to compare GoT to True Blood. … True that.

    But remember, GoT has a bigger cast full of talent, better sets, and is based on a better story.

    That’s what sets GoT apart from TB in a nutshell. Well, and TB can pull off dark humor and shock endings.

    The scripting for GoT does not contribute more than the bare necessity. It only seems to exist to transfer bits of the book to attempt storytelling in a coherent way.

    Best,

    M

  142. Dominique
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to WIC for selecting and featuring my Talisa question.

    Double thanks to the Cog Man for patiently answering everything… Please don’t mind the cynics and whiners who have a strange way of expressing their love for ASOIAF by contrasting it to GOT

    And good luck on S4!

  143. stannis
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Yago:
    5000 for all secrets?

    I’d offer 10 grand

  144. db
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    If by “not enough dark turns” you’re referring to those huge chunks of her narrative being completely chucked, then no, it hasn’t. While Sansa’s arc is severely reduced, Ros gets more screen time and character development. The way you described her is exactly the way one would describe Sansa, but for some reason the show runners use Ros to delve into that particular plot line… ~I wonder why~

    (Hint: it starts with ‘B’ and rhymes with ‘noobs’)

  145. DH87
    Posted April 24, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Astonished: But remember, GoT has a bigger cast full of talent, better sets, and is based on a better story.

    Yet TB was run by an Academy Award winning showrunner and TV veteran, who you think should have known better.

  146. SugarVampire
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    SugarVampire,

    Just to clarify a few things in my earlier post. Bryan Cogman is my favorite writer of the show, slightly ahead of GRRM. My comment about Arya’s story arc is about previous seasons and the constraints of that posted on this season so far.

    Lots of that I think has to do with the uneasiness of letting Maisie Williams at this point to be portrayed as a cold blooded killer. Hence the massacre of the guards by Jaqen in Harrenhal and her weak fighting scene with Thoros. That’s why I have great doubt about the Crossroad Inn in Season 4. Then again, by the time Season 5/6 came around to the ugly girl scene in ADwD, age will no longer be a concern.

  147. Arthur
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Everything the show writers do will be put under a microscope and analyzed then reanalyzed by legions of book fans.

    That’s the problem with bringing such an already popular and adored book series to the television screen.

    All the source material for the show is there for all to see and because of this it opens the door for massive criticism of any book to television adaptation that any particulare reader may disagree with.

    There is no way the writers can please all the readers all the time. From what I have read on these threads for the past three years is that the writers have pleased the vast majority of the book readers 95% of the time.

    Just because a reader may personally disagree with the way some character/plot adaptation was handled doesn’t mean the writers were at fault. I hated the Halfhand/Jon Snow storyline last season but I understand I can’t have everything I want. I got some Jon Snow/Ygritte interactions instead.

    There will be constant tradeoffs during this book to television adaptation and the book reader will just have to except that.

    All of us come to these threads to voice our opinions on what we loved and hated and we are all very passionate about this.

    I think it’s awesome that Mr Cogman takes even a minute out of his day to read these threads.

    It goes to show that the show runners/writers do care what the most passionate and vocal fandom have to say about the show.

    Though they may not ever make decisions based on what they think we would like, you know they have an idea of what we think and that fact alone will unconsciously affect their writing.

    Isn’t that awesome? We can interact with a freaking show writer of GoT! How badass is that? I just think it’s cool that the GoT show runners/writers like to occasionally take the pulse of their fandom to see what we have to say.

    We all love the show here but tend to get into passionate arguments about tiny aspects of the show. We sometimes forget to sit back and look at the big picture of how lucky we are to have such a top notch series on a top notch network…

  148. DH87
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Agree. I can’t think of another show writer who comes on a public board not his/her own and posts under his real name. (Assuming “Bryan Cogman” is a real name, which, now that I think of it, I’m beginning to doubt. It sounds a little too much like a Winterfell goat herder.)

  149. WildSeed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Adam: Be considerate of the non-book readers, use a spoiler tag :)

    Really ?! A spoiler ! Not a speculation I’m proposing ? Thanks for setting the record
    straight, you have just spoiled it for anyone unaware …….. that is if you know better .

    I would presume all of the cast sticks around, unless doom is foreshadowed in
    the episode. BTW, did Rickon die ? He wasn’t in the last episode with Bran. I
    presumed he’s alive, perhaps you know better…hmm.

  150. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    db,

    There’s no bigger fan of Sansa than me. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions.

    Ros gets more character development and screen time than Sansa? Really? What show are you watching? Ros was in… maybe four scenes in Season 2? And kept her clothes on most of the time. This season we’ve seen her three times, very briefly… again fully clothed.

    Ok, I can see this isn’t going anywhere. I’d better get back to work and you can go back to throwing darts at Esme’s picture or whatever else you do for fun.

    Thanks, everyone for the feedback. Really enjoyed answering all the questions and appreciate the thoughtful responses on the board.

    Best,
    B

  151. Fanfriggintastic2013
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Arthur
    Isn’t that awesome? We can interact with a freaking show writer of GoT!How badass is that?I just think it’s cool

    While I’m happy for you, I personally think your point here is irrelevant. This is the digital climate we live in. It’s not like he doesn’t come here anyway. He’s already called this site addictive.

  152. Al Swearengen
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    That was great. Bryan’s a cool guy for taking time to answer questions from the fans.

    Oded Fehr for The Red Viper !!

  153. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    DH87,

    Ouch. A goat herder!

  154. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Isn’t that awesome? We can interact with a freaking show writer of GoT! How badass is that? I just think it’s cool that the GoT show runners/writers like to occasionally take the pulse of their fandom to see what we have to say.

    Absolutely agree. Well said! :-)

  155. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman:
    db,
    There’s no bigger fan of Sansa than me.

    I would duel you for that title. She’s always been my favourite ASoIaF character and I have told Sophie Turner as much (she’s doing a wonderful job). :-)

  156. Spryte
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    db,

    What crawled up your bum?

  157. Kyrion
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    DB Your acting like a total jerk :/

    You should be happy you got two responses, and should have ended it at that. We get your point, go back into obscurity again please ugh

    Anyways, Outstanding post WIC!!! Next We should get Vanessa!!!

  158. DH87
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    A goat herder who was actually a royal child spirited away at birth and placed with a kindly peasant family during the First War of the Nonbelievers, that is.

  159. WildSeed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Arthur: I think it’s awesome that Mr Cogman takes even a minute out of his day to read these threads.

    Amazed is more like it, I began commenting here with the assumption that Mr Cogman
    sat through the interview only. That he’d responded to later comments was awesome
    and if not validating concerns or corrections. That is…. until I noticed the time stamp
    (designation) of comment response. If he’s up late and sharing his insight, then I am
    2x amazed. If it’s an imposter , then shame on you. At any rate, I regret that I wasn’t in
    a better mood.

    WildSeed: I agree with you, and implied as such. Mr Cogman is quite a candid guy, I was
    wondering if a gem or two would shed light on the actual rationale. The interview
    is very interesting and confirmed a question or two, definitely appreciative of his
    willingness to discuss the show with us in any detail. I’m enjoying the read.

      

    Hope he saw this (:

  160. Al Swearengen
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    Bryan – I must ask what’s the deal with Pod’s whole sex god arc this season ?

  161. Dogmayor
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    It’s comic relief, there’s nothing to read into.

  162. Shan
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Oh, dear. I hope he’s coming back.

  163. Dgwow
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Is there another reason behind the lack of army battles on the show besides budget? I don’t know much about production costs but I would assume it would be feasible to only show small parts of a battle. The viewers really miss the feeling behind any strategic victories or defeats if they don’t see any fighting.

  164. WildSeed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    King Tommen: I thought Cogman was pretty clear on this (and I agree it’s a pretty insane quibble that doesn’t deserve the amount of teeth-gnashing that some fans still don’t appear to want to let go of).

    It’s a shotgun secret wedding. They’re in the Riverlands, the only guy they can find to perform the wedding is a septon, so they just go ahead with it. And as Bryan said, it’s not like Robb would not have been exposed to this religion growing up with Catelyn, it’s not the sacrilege that is being suggested. You do what you can with the tools at your disposal.

    I stayed out of last year’s debate because I simply respected the premise of the scene.
    To be true, I just accepted it, who am I to quibble ? Given further demonstrations of
    season three’s portrayal of Robb Stark, he appears very sensitive to what his Bannermen
    of the North perceives as appropriate. Weirwoods may have been in short supply where
    he and Talisa said their vows, but I’d wager alongside the remote areas that the brigade
    had to travel. I’m not aware however, if an announcement of a proper ceremony was
    hailed to his men, to later rectify any misinterpreted slights to the Old Gods of the North.
    That rationale would have removed any doubts, and perhaps fan ” quibbling “.

    That this was mentioned as a bone to pick, in spite the lengthy time elapsed was
    perhaps invited by the title of the interview. Renley’s Peach and other long forgotten
    points were mentioned and maybe encouraged for discussion. What I would hope is
    that in a year’s time , we as viewers would by now allow the great success many other
    revisions have had. In time some missteps may determine better continuity at a later
    date or season. A few may never quite sit right or have become learning curves, but
    that’s okay too. The overall story continues to move forward.

    King Tommen: I find the fact that some people still bring this up a year later as ridiculously silly. It didn’t affect one single thing on the show. Concentrate on things that matter, your life will be better for it…

    King Tommen: book purist

    These words only inflame. Most of your posts are very thoughtful and insightful.
    Please don’t resort to name calling.

  165. TidyPachiderm
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:25 am | Permalink

    Dgwow,

    A combination of budget and time constraints, I expect. While you’re right that they probably could “imply” a large battle on a small budget by filming a handful of people whacking each other with swords (rather like what they did this episode with the sack of Astapor, filming around the edges of a suggested battle without ever showing more than 50 people) the costs associated (hiring extras, transport to the set, catering, choreography) would be extremely high for the amount of footage they get out of it. GOT has never really been a story that relies on (on-page) battles for conflict resolution, so even if they did have the budget I doubt they’d show more than a few minutes of nameless extras fighting. Its just not worth from a time/benefit view.

    I do think time constraints might be a big issue too; it takes a long time to film a fight scene, and requires an intense amount of planning if you want to do it on a budget, and they’re cramped enough trying to film a whole season every ten months. If they think they can get the same from a cut to black and Robb saying “WHOAH WHAT A COOL BATTLE THAT WAS” after then they will. Its probably for the best, even if it is a bit disappointing in a visual medium.

  166. Lars
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Dgwow:
    Bryan Cogman,

    Is there another reason behind the lack of army battles on the show besides budget? I don’t know much about production costs but I would assume it would be feasible to only show small parts of a battle. The viewers really miss the feeling behind any strategic victories or defeats if they don’t see any fighting.

    Does there have to be another reason besides budget? I don’t think there is some conspiracy to avoid battles. The show is simply concentrating on what it can accomplish best, saving the battles for when they are most needed.

    It might be useful to remember that GRRM also skips most battles in the books.

  167. LordDavos12
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    I can’t say enough how thankful I am that a show/book series that we all love this much has writers as fantastic as Bryan for taking the time to do something like this. Thank you Bryan.

  168. Turncloak
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Bryan – I must ask what’s the deal with Pod’s whole sex god arc this season ?

    It’s called comic relief

  169. Steven Swanson
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    Brian:
    Ask him why they stripped all personality from Macne and Tormund and made them so bland.Ask him why they had Brienne say “you sound like a BLOODY WOMAN” when Brienne is one of the most pro-woman characters.Ask him why they had Yara call Theon a “cunt” when she has a whole bit in the books about how stupid men are for using that word as an insult.

    I’m guessing it was all just to piss you off.

  170. Cerb
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:56 am | Permalink

    I really admire anyone who is able to write for such a TV series. The pressure to deliver would absolutely squash my creativity. Add the deadlines …

    Well, one of the reasons I’ll never be a professional writer, I guess :-)

  171. Lexyvil
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 3:18 am | Permalink

    Now that peach subject was funny! Good thing my intuition was good enough to tell that it was all just a joke.

  172. Panicintrinsica
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    After reading at least 90% of the comments in this article, I’m reminded by how insanely deluded some people are.

    As a book reader, I do has some issues with small points in the show, little nitpicky things I wish where included; I wish Danny whipped that guy in the face at the end of the last episode, not only because it was in the books, but also because it would echo her smacking Viserys with the belt in S1.

    But I would never, ever say that the choices made by the writing and production team on GoT were wrong. I am not the authority on what is right and wrong for this subject, and neither are any of the “fans” lurking on countless message boards across the net, regardless of how much they preach their adoration for the books.

    The fact is, whether anyone will admit it or not, that if the book “purists” were in charge, the ones who go insane over every change or accuse the show runners of being self-serving dictators in the pockets of, what I guess they picture as an evil corporation, then this show would be a titanic failure.

    Loving something does not in any way, shape or form make you an expert on it, or even remotely qualified to judge what was “right” or “wrong” for it. If there were no books to judge the show against, the majority of “complaints” would not even exist, save for the usual puritanical shrieks about “gratuitous nudity”.

    It absolutely stuns me that people have the audacity to complain as loudly as they do, or even complain at all. Off all the possible fates for this story, from all of the horrible “let’s make it a single movie only about one character!” pitches sent to GRRM, to all of the other producers who would have sanitized every element to make it “acceptable” for ABC or some other basic channel, we were lucky enough to get a skilled team of writers and directors and producers and actors who have done one of, if not the single most faithful book to anything adaptation I ever seen.

    If your so upset about how this show is being handled, I would love to see you, or anyone else, try and do better.

  173. JamesL
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    I always assumed that the reason they screwed over the Half Hand was because it was in Rose Leslies contract that she had to get a certain amount screen time so they had to write her extra scenes. The fact that they thought it would be a good idea for the story to have those stupid repetitive scenes of Ygritte teasing Jon instead of Jon bonding with the Half Hand is actually much worse.

  174. JamesL
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    David and Dan said in an interview that Dontos is returning, I’m assuming he’ll show up in the season finale. I guess they didn’t want to drag that plot out for multiple seasons.

  175. Summer Is Coming
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Oh, the peach thing was hillarious. I was really wtf Gethin? and then I lol’d. Bryan you are a good liar. Have you thought about acting? :))
    Your work in “What is dead may never die” is fantastic. It contained Varys’s riddle, wich is one of my absolute fav moments in the show. Is Varys a favourite of yours to write?

  176. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I’m really enjoying reading this thread so far, very insightful and stimulating.
    Mance is a great character so far and Tormund is simply suffering form Jon Snow syndrome: little dialogue and screentime.

    With that being said I agree that it needs to seen in context. Some arcs that are emphasized over others possibly have a purpose at this point in the narrative. As a Jon Snow fan I even enjoyed his absence in the last episode because it is better to see no Jon than seeing Jon only for one minute delivering one line. That and avoiding the utter dread of having to read post-episode comments on Kit’s acting when he gets no dialogue and nothing to do. Then again he’s a quiet character and we get more insight into him reading the books because we have access to his thoughts. And luckily Kit is able to convey a lot of emotion and thought through his eyes which is why I look forward to the love scene . Unfortunately on screen this comes across as a “dumb” expression to a lot of people, which is not true. I rather see it that he is trying to convey Jon’s vulnerability and naivity (with his available screentime), which is emphasized more in the show. And those ironic expressions that he sometimes gets on his face is one of my favourite parts of his slow-burn portrayal of Jon.

  177. LordMorley
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    Thank you WiC.net and thank you Bryan for all those wonderful insights!!!

  178. JamesL
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    Critical Geek,

    The audience would never have remember who the torturer was or the things he was saying from S2 by the time they got to that at the end of S3 or S4 so that scene would not work. This is why they write TV shows and you do not.

  179. JamesL
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    DH87,

    You post a lot of stupid stuff of this website but this comment is probably your most stupid and ridiculous yet.
    “I don’t mean any disrespect to Bryan, since it sounds like the original scripts are coming out of the writers’ room pretty close to the books. Then they get the D&D treatment.”
    What show are you watching? The show is sticking very close to the books. Sorry a character may occasionally say something that the character in the books might not or they have to edit out some characters in this massive story. Right now the show very faithful to the source material and it may not be perfect but it is still a fantastic show. What exactly is the D&D treatment? Taking a story that GRRM himself called unfilmable and making a hugely successful critical acclaimed awesome TV show based on it.

  180. Lord Varys
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    For all the guys who are still resent that Jaehaerys II Targaryen was cut from show canon:

    Watch the German version of the show!

    I ensured that Aerys II is Egg’s grandson, not his son in the German, changed Waldryn Frey back into Elmar, and, most importantly, ensured that it is ASHA, and not the Yara travesty.

  181. mariamb18
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    db:
    Bryan Cogman,

    If by “not enough dark turns” you’re referring to those huge chunks of her narrative being completely chucked, then no, it hasn’t. While Sansa’s arc is severely reduced, Ros gets more screen time and character development. The way you described her is exactly the way one would describe Sansa, but for some reason the show runners use Ros to delve into that particular plot line… ~I wonder why~

    (Hint: it starts with ‘B’ and rhymes with ‘noobs’)

    Seriously? I think that they have done a great job with Sansa’s story. They found an amazing young actress in Sophie Turner and together have created a character that I love to watch. And the Ros complaints are just tired already.

  182. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    There is a small minority of asoiaf fans who are utter morons. Plain and simple.

    It’s at times like these that I think – really, just get a life. Because the people criticising every little mistake David, Dan and Bryan makes are probably the same people who have achieved absolutely nothing in their own lives.

    Unfortunately, some people just like to whine.

  183. Adam
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: Really ?! A spoiler ! Not a speculation I’m proposing ?Thanks for setting the recordstraight, you have just spoiled it for anyone unaware …….. that is if you know better .

    I would presume all of the cast sticks around, unless doom is foreshadowed in
    the episode. BTW, did Rickon die ? He wasn’t in the last episode with Bran. I
    presumed he’s alive, perhaps you know better…hmm.

    You said that Stannis and Jon Snow will “be sticking around for a while.” Of *course* that’s a spoiler. It’s a spoiler to say Character X dies, right? It’s just as much of a spoiler to say character X lives “for a while.” And I didn’t spoil anyone because when I quoted your comment I put it in spoiler tags. See? That’s what those are for!

  184. mead
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    db, dh87

    thanks for ruining this!

    purist bedwetters to the rescue once again!

  185. gtabbo
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Lord Varys,

    How did you ensure that?

  186. caravaggio
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    I was ready to believe his wild tale of Gethin Anthony’s irrational hatred for peaches. I mean, who knows what sort of production snafus are at the mercy of actors’ capricious whims. It’s a shame, it was such a defining moment for the character.

    What really amazes me is that, no matter how tight the show appears to be, it still falls subject to production problems and plain old editorial oversight (like Karstark praying to the Father, which honestly I had never realized until I read this interview).

    Still, glad Bryan did this interview. He still does a lot of press for a guy who gets a lot of hate. I swear, the guy is under-appreciated. More power to Bryan!

  187. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Arnel:
    I really wish the peach thing were true, I was dying at my desk!

    Wow! Me, too. Gethin a diva, hehehehe. One of those “truth is stranger than fiction” deals.

  188. Ed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Hee heee!! Awesome post! I concur!

    Richard:
    Bryan Cogman, as a non-book reader and one who is immensely addicted to this show (I even got cable TV just because of it), all I have to say is, keep doing what you are doing. Don’t let any of the negative feedback get you down. F*ck ‘em. Thank you.

  189. Team Sansa
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Bryan,

    You (and the rest of the TEAM) are doing a fantastic job. One of the things we do after each episode is talk about the changes from the book, but always with the assumption that the changes were made for a reason (budgetary, streamlining story-lines, etc.). I’m also going to use Theon’s and Margaery’s arc this season so far as an example: you guys taking some liberties from book material and filling in holes has actually HELPED me enjoy the books. You guys are just awesome and I hope you can see that 99% of the posters in this thread agree.

    And, as a side note, I am so excited that characters are going to start relating with events in the past. That has been something I’ve missed and have always seen the current state of events in the books as the aftermath that took place a generation before.

  190. Cerb
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    caravaggio: I was ready to believe his wild tale of Gethin Anthony’s irrational hatred for peaches.

    I still do. I think the fictional part was the one where Bryan tried to play it off as a joke!

  191. Arristan the Old
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    I choose to believe the peach story.

    Edit – wrote this as a joke before Cerb’s post appeared (didn’t refresh page after reading), not as a serious attempt to jump on some kind of Gethin’s a diva bandwagon… Just FYI.

  192. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    You guys plan to get Vanessa Taylor on here??? Judging by the hostility (not a lot mind you) towards Bryan on this board, the Purists will flay her alive.

    And regarding DB’s comments…anyone follow Ain’t it Cool news? There’s a poster called asimovlives that verbally attacks Roberto Orci whenever he posts on the board. That’s what the exchange here reminded me of.

  193. DH87
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    JamesL: The show is sticking very close to the books.

    The only specific criticism I’ve made re: deviation from the books has been the creation of Ros. My criticisms have been re: taste and judgment. I already described what I consider the D&D treatment.

    I’m fan of the show.

    Please feel free to put me on “virtual ignore” and I’ll happily return the favor.

  194. Elizabeth B
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,
    I agree with you. The above story is well worth the lost peach.

    Book Readers about Jeyne/Talisa,
    It’s nice to actually see him fall in love instead of just come back with a wife. That didn’t sit well with me in the books. I agree that he should have found out about his brothers before. Grief is a much less selfish motivator than love. He is 16, though. Or is it 17? Either way, he’s a kid subject to undeniable hormones. Honestly, though, does it matter? It won’t matter where she came from or why or how. She’ll be dead. It does make me wish I hadn’t read the books first.

    Bryan,
    Thank you so much for your attention to the books and for doing this interview!

  195. Scott Glennon
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    You almost had me with the peach story. I thought, ” Wow! Gethin is this much of a dick?” Then, he made George cry? Yeah, okay, Bryan let go of my leg! LOL
    Thanks Bryan……for everything.

    For Winterfell!

  196. mead
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    DH87

    I’m fan of the show.

    so why come on here and be so rude and disrespectful to a member of the production team offering their time?

    You’ve made fools of us all.

  197. Lynn
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I always assumed that the reason they screwed over the Half Hand was because it was in Rose Leslies contract that she had to get a certain amount screen time so they had to write her extra scenes.

    Unless you have some evidence of the specific terms of Rose Leslie’s contract… I seriously doubt it. She is not some huge star in a position to demand a certain amount of screen time, certainly not on a show like this where far better-known actors have been doing what amounts to extended cameos.

  198. Bryan Cogman
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Hi all,

    I appreciate the support, but let’s be fair to DH87. She wasn’t rude or disrespectful to me.

    Best,

    B

    B

  199. Herschel
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Mr. Cogman, I just wanted to thank you for your terrific work on the show. It has been constantly amazing and is getting better and better each season. I can’t wait to finally see the fucking CLEGANEBOWL onscreen in a few years. I’m ready and hyped! Keep up the good work!

  200. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman:
    Hi all,

    I appreciate the support, but let’s be fair to DH87.She wasn’t rude or disrespectful to me.

    Best,

    B

    B

    People get very sensitive here, it is known. Thank you so much for your time in service to the fan community, you are very much respected and loved! A woman LOVED the peach story…you had us all going there dude! And a woman hopes that baby has finally settled in to regular sleep hours by now?

  201. WildSeed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    I see

  202. WildSeed
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    You guys plan to get Vanessa Taylor on here??? Judging by the hostility (not a lot mind you) towards Bryan on this board, the Purists will flay her alive.

    And regarding DB’s comments…anyone follow Ain’t it Cool news? There’s a poster called asimovlives that verbally attacks Roberto Orci whenever he posts on the board. That’s what the exchange here reminded me of.

    Collective Hysteria…best to take cover.

  203. Ser Hound
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    I have some slight quibbles with changes from the book but my only major complaint is the lack of Jon Snow screentime. I feel like his story should be the most central or at least on par with Dany and Tyrion in terms of screen time.

  204. DH87
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Bryan Cogman,

    Thank you, Bryan. For a moment there, I thought I was on Planet Neptune.

  205. Arya
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink
  206. Isabelle
    Posted April 25, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Arya,

    That is hysterical! Is it bad that before reading that the Ambassador was a fan of the series himself and was doing it of his own volition, I assumed HBO had somehow lobbied for him to make a statement?

    Anyhow–check out the comments section of his original post! Great stuff. It’s interesting to see how it stacks up against the debate on here.

  207. mags giantsbabe
    Posted April 26, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    I’m with you ser Hound. This is the best season yet. But more Jon Snow!

  208. Lord Snark
    Posted June 20, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Add me to the list of gullible people who believed the peach story right up to the reveal…

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