Recap Round-up: “Kissed By Fire”
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Here are some notable recaps and reviews of episode 25 of Game of Thrones:

Book Readers
Sean T. Collins – Rolling Stone
Myles McNutt – Cultural Learnings
James Hibberd – Entertainment Weekly
Alyssa Rosenberg – ThinkProgress
Scott Meslow – The Week
Todd VanDerWerff – A.V. Club
Sarah Hughes – The Guardian
James Poniewozik – Time
Charlie Jane Anders – io9
Elio Garcia – Westeros.org

New Viewers
Alan Sepinwall – HitFix
Andy Greenwald – Grantland
David Sims – A.V. Club
John Kubicek – Buddy TV
Brian Juergens – The Backlot


83 Comments

  1. Grijnwaald
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

  2. The Geek in the North
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Second Sons!!!

  3. Blackfish
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Hot pie

  4. Zack
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Note to self: don’t check comments when only 3 are listed. Must give it time.

  5. Werd
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    The Atlantic’s is here, includes an interesting point from a newbie about the Lord of Light stuff. http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/04/the-increasingly-egalitarian-nudity-on-em-game-of-thrones-em/275367/

  6. PetetheGreek
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Otaku Assemble (Larry Williams) review can be found here.

  7. hashtagsbyNoah
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    PetetheGreek:
    Otaku Assemble (Larry Williams) review can be found here.

    i keep going back and forth on his reviews. sometimes he’s super insightful and in to it, and other times he makes “bugs crawling on skin” sounds for like 3 minutes, and i want to stop watching forever.

  8. PetetheGreek
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    hashtagsbyNoah,

    Agreed. This review wasn’t that great, but I like hearing about his reactions and predictions. My wife and I are both book readers, so it’s nice to see his enthusiasm and objective (at least from the books) responses.

  9. ace
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
  10. zod
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    ace,

    Thanks. I read the one from last week and enjoyed it. ;-)

  11. zod
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    ace,

    And it was once again hilarious. Thanks. :D

  12. Heath
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    been using tvline for awhile. it should be added. it is a great newbie recap.

  13. iRaven
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    One thing I like about Larry Williams reviews is that for better or worse, he actually REVIEWS it and critiques it rather than just objectively summarizing it like most of these seem to do.

  14. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    PetetheGreek,

    My newbie reactions of choice are now the swell folks at Game of Owns. Their complaints are never as grating as Larry Williams’ reactions can be. Hell, listening to GOO each week has helped me stay off a lot of reaction threads altogether. It’s nice hearing a group of fans reflect on what they’ve just seen instead of reading a lot of disembodied and nitpicky kneejerk soundbites (though this season seems to have given a lot of naysayers reasons aplenty to simmer down. :]).

  15. Caoimay
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Survey to all, I can’t decide who’s funnier;
    Brian Jeurgens from thebacklot OR Jordan Yermen from vancouver observer……

  16. Maester Blaster
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    One thing that bothers me is now a lot of the TV watchers are getting what in my opinion is a misconception about the ASOIF universe that many book readers share. Now that it is clear that two separate red priests have potent magic powers a lot of reviews and fans are saying “the Lord of Light has a lot of power” or “the Lord of Light looks to be the real deal.” My reading of ASOIF is that this is an “agnostic” magical universe. In a lot of fantasy magic users will draw power directly through intersession with a deity or some super powerful being will come down out of the clouds like Zeus and say “you are my champion here is a magic sword.” This never happens in GoT. Sure, red priests have real magic but they are not the only ones. The Valyrian Sorcerer Lords (Dany), Miri Maz Dur, the Warlocks of Quarth, Greenseers, all use real magic and that magic has been getting more powerful since the return of the dragons, and like the red priests most of this magic is based on blood and fire but does not require prayers to the red god. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe Mel and Thoros’s power is proof the Lord of Light is real and will save the world through his followers and champions. I doubt it highly.

  17. WompWomp
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Maester Blaster,

    Most of ASOIAF’s religions have some claim to fame that legitimizes them. Even the Dothraki’s failed prophecy was almost realized, and the results would have been earthshaking. Drogo’s unfilmed role in the dragons’ birth also suggests he and his kindred spirits really do live on in the Night Lands beyond the mortal perception.

    From reading the books, I inferred the Lord of Light to be one half of the greatest supernatural conflict in Westeros: the war between Ice and Fire. The former element, Ice, is epitomized in the Great Other, who is barely described and whose chief adherents would appear to be the Others/White Walkers. In the books, it’s interesting how those resurrected by the Lord of Light are described as having red eyes, Catelyn/Lady Stoneheart in particular. This mirrors the blue eyes of wights, and the suggestion that even wights have some limited sense of their former selves, just as Stoneheart does. This leads me to believe Catelyn is a fire-kissed wight, similarly fixated on violence as her blue-eyed counterparts and just as inhuman with the faintest shred of raw will left over to represent the vestiges of her former life. Though there are many faiths with fully realized magical abilities post-hatching, it is R’hollor and the Great Other who are playing the game that really matters with their bright-eyed pawns.

  18. Chris
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    lol @ Larry Williams. He thinks Jaime sent the assassin after Bran. then again thats partly the show’s fault, also the show’s fault for having Jaime kill his cousin. Makes him almost unredeemable.

  19. Delta1212
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    It’s not really the show’s “fault” anymore than it’s the show’s fault that people don’t know who Jon’s Snow’s mother is. They haven’t revealed the truth yet, so you’re not supposed to know what it is. That’s not actually a problem. It’s how storytelling works.

  20. Mike Chair
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Chris: lol @ Larry Williams

    What Larry doesn’t UNDERSTAAAND is that we’re not really supposed to feel sympathy for Jamie. The show/books are not trying to accomplish this. We’re supposed to feel a pull in that direction, reject it, and feel guilty for even considering it in the first place. And, in that, the show and books are successful.

  21. Anonymous
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212:
    Chris,

    It’s not really the show’s “fault” anymore than it’s the show’s fault that people don’t know who Jon’s Snow’s mother is. They haven’t revealed the truth yet, so you’re not supposed to know what it is. That’s not actually a problem. It’s how storytelling works.

    Mike Chair: What Larry doesn’t UNDERSTAAAND is that we’re not really supposed to feel sympathy for Jamie.The show/books are not trying to accomplish this.We’re supposed to feel a pull in that direction, reject it, and feel guilty for even considering it in the first place.And, in that, the show and books are successful.

    Excellent comments.

    It’s annoying that all too many book know-it-alls assume that somehow people who don’t have knowledge yet are supposed to react just like people who have read the books.

    And then it’s worse when they reveal spoilers so they can say I told you so.

  22. render
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    I love Andy Greenwald’s recaps. He’s not necessarily drinking the kool-aid, being a non-reader, and he wields some wicked puns!

  23. ANiceChianti
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: What Larry doesn’t UNDERSTAAAND is that we’re not really supposed to feel sympathy for Jamie.The show/books are not trying to accomplish this.We’re supposed to feel a pull in that direction, reject it, and feel guilty for even considering it in the first place.And, in that, the show and books are successful.

    Is that really how many book readers feel? Cos I keep getting the impression that people think that Jaime is the greatest character ever after his arc in ASoS. It never truly resonated with me. I actually think the show is doing a significantly better job with Jaime’s storyline than the book did.

  24. Mike Chair
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    ANiceChianti: Is that really how many book readers feel? Cos I keep getting the impression that people think that Jaime is the greatest character ever …

    Well, that’s how they’re supposed to feel (i.e. almost sympathetic). If some people feel true sympathy for a guy who intentionally crippled a child because the child caught the guy banging the guy’s own sister then some people have other issues besides overly generous sympathy. Now, people thinking Jamie is a great character is not the same thing as feeling sympathy for him. I think Jamie is a great character precisely because of this sympathy dilemma he creates. As far as the show doing a better job with him than the books did, remember that Jamie wasn’t a point of view character until ASOS, so there was much more opportunity to develop his character during the first two seasons of the TV show as opposed to the first two books.

  25. SeraRavi
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I tend to be a little wary of most claims about how people are “supposed to” feel/respond to most things in fiction, especially in cases where moral relativism and gray areas are so prominent. As the books/show progress, a large number of the characters do some really abhorrent things, and characters who have already done terrible things do some truly heroic acts. Things get muddy. I definitely agree that we’re intended to be conflicted to varying degrees about characters like Jaime, The Hound, Theon, Tywin etc. but saying that there’s a “right” way to come down on it all seems like it’s oversimplifying and not giving enough credit for the breadth of readers’ experiences and moral perspectives. I’m not sure sympathizing with complex fictional characters who do some awful things indicates issues, just like I don’t think being unsettled by/strongly disagreeing with people who can have sympathy for characters who have done horrible things indicates anything negative. I just love the fact that these characters are complex enough in many cases to produce such a wide range of responses!

    Of course, people have been arguing about this kind of thing forever, so even my stance on all that is admittedly based in my own experience and response to things, and I’m sure loads of people disagree :)

  26. Mike Chair
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    SeraRavi: but saying that there’s a “right” way to come down on it all seems like it’s oversimplifying

    I didn’t say there was a “right” way to come down. I said “supposed” meaning as it pertains to the intent of the author/writers for this to be a story without clear lines between good and evil. If Jaimie tells a story, the point of which is to expose the injustice behind his moniker, “Kingslayer”, it’s not the author/writers’ intent to make you, all of a sudden, pity him. This discussion began when I cited Larry Williams’ review where Larry said, “This sympathy card they’re trying to play with Jamie is not working.” The author/writers are not trying to play that card. They’re showing both sides of a human being.

  27. Ser Sleez
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Not really a recap, but Peter Dinklage has an interesting interview in the latest Playboy.

  28. Lars
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: What Larry doesn’t UNDERSTAAAND is that we’re not really supposed to feel sympathy for Jamie.The show/books are not trying to accomplish this.We’re supposed to feel a pull in that direction, reject it, and feel guilty for even considering it in the first place.And, in that, the show and books are successful.

    Nice. Do you have any other opinions that we are *supposed* to have? You might as well list them, so we get it over with.

    I suppose that the majority of ASOIAF fandom doesn’t agree with you doesn’t make you reconsider such a statement?

  29. thisone
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    If you think the show is doing a better job with a character because he/she is more likeable, you assume that the audience is supposed to like the character. I believe this is the wrong way to look at it. If you feel more sympathetic toward a character in the show than in the books, the show is doing a different job, not a better one.

    Some people say that the show has done a better job than the books with certain scenes or characters because the scene/portrayal supports their own book-based view. For example, I am sympathetic toward Catelyn, but not everyone is. If the show generally portrays her in a good light, I may feel that they are doing the character justice, and I might even be tempted to say that the show is doing a “better job” with her. However, other people may feel the opposite way.

  30. sunspear
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Maester Blaster,

    Not true, in my opinion. Even in a world where magic exists, when someone performs a miracle, he or she can claim whatever they want to explain it. The burden of proof shifts to the scientists to prove God doesn’t exist.

  31. Mike Chair
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Lars: Nice. Do you have any other opinions that we are *supposed* to have? You might as well list them, so we get it over with.

    For the love of The Seven! See my clarification above.

    Mike Chair: This discussion began when I cited Larry Williams’ review where Larry said, “This sympathy card they’re trying to play with Jamie is not working.” The author/writers are not trying to play that card. They’re showing both sides of a human being.

    Feel however you want. I don’t care. But don’t think the writing is bad because Jamie makes us feel or want to feel sympathetic. If “the majority of ASOIAF fandom doesn’t agree” with that then they wouldn’t be in the ASOIAF fandom.

  32. Lars
    Posted April 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Fine, but if you don’t care – I would suggest that you refrain from such sweeping generalizations in the future. Quoting you again:

    Mike Chair: Well, that’s how they’re supposed to feel (i.e. almost sympathetic). If some people feel true sympathy for a guy who intentionally crippled a child because the child caught the guy banging the guy’s own sister then some people have other issues besides overly generous sympathy.

    Now we can either get into semantic argument about what you could possibly mean by “true sympathy”, or we can… not.

    But let me tell you something: It is possible to feel sympathy (even empathy) for someone who has done reprehensible things, someone you disagree with.

  33. WildSeed
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I hear you. However Jaime Lannister is perceived, on the television series
    or the ASOIAF book series, a human dynamic is depicted. We are all flawed,
    more or less. No saints or whatever.

    Personally, Jaime’s story was one that I had little interest in. Initially
    perceived as mostly arrogant and self absorbed, not too unusual of a
    man born into wealth and prestige. What set him apart were the choices
    he made to lower any integrity of himself, being in an incestuous relationship
    wasn’t the half of it. I really took notice to the elaboration of details fitting
    his history, which GRRM only wrote in later books. Details are important
    in understanding the whole measure of a person, but the essential spark
    of intent and noble character speaks volumes more. Jaime Lannister is
    an interesting character, noble he isn’t. I look forward to the evolution
    of his story, his redemption, because it would be silly to discount.
    My favorite recollections of Jaime coming to terms with himself, was
    his candid talk with ( born again zealot ) Lancel, and the blunt discussion
    with his aunt , outside of RiverRun
    . Until then , he’s on a path to
    self discovery and hopefully participant in the work that more noble
    people seek. Brienne will see to that.

    Nicolaj Costa Waldau does a fine job portraying GoT Jaime, there’s obviously
    a different perception of him , and I respect that. He’s a TV heartthrob , and the
    show needs fans………… God bless em’ , every one. *>*

  34. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Lars,

    I agree. I do feel sympathy for Jaime in regards to him killing Aerys and being shunned for it. Yet I felt none for him when he lost his hand.

  35. WildSeed
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Hibberd ‘s post is always informative , in detail, but I cannot agree with his choice
    for ” best scene ………. Ygritte and Jon’s steamy bath ” Huh ?

    I haven’t gotten around to the Rolling Stone post.

  36. Joshua Taylor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    We can criticize Larry Williams and others who share his views all we want, as if he’s refusing to accept the deeper meanings in the story and is obviously invested on more generic principles of storytelling…but to me he simply has come down with a case of “I don’t like the story or where certain aspects of the story are going.” Not to mention the fact that the visual of someone throwing a child from a window and crippling him, setting off a chain of events that has brought tragedy unto the “good guys” is hard to erase for some in contrast to the printed page. Unless he feels this conflict no amount of supportive information or directing his thoughts will change his current impression.

  37. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:30 am | Permalink
  38. GDG
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    iRaven:
    One thing I like about Larry Williams reviews is that for better or worse, he actually REVIEWS it and critiques it rather than just objectively summarizing it like most of these seem to do.

    I agree with you. Larry’s reviews are the only ones I really watch/listen to… I disagree with him quite often, but I like that he has strong opinions and isn’t afraid to share them. It bores me when reviewers just summarize the episode, giving the occasional, “Yeah, that was cool,” or, “That was a little different from the book.”

    Larry sets the bar high and he judges episodes on their own merit (he doesn’t compare ‘em to the books), and I like that.

  39. magnuskn
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    The What the Flick Recap is up at http://youtu.be/FJ6Jz8t1tAk , with Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian, John Iadarola and Ben Mankiewicz discussing the episode. Once again, a great discussion, as every week.

    I really wish they could be added already to the weekly round-up, although I understand that their late entry ( they do their weekly recap on monday evenings ) makes that difficult.

  40. Slynt
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    My review (and previous episode reviews, and book re-reads) here:
    http://www.slynt.blogspot.com
    Come have a look.

  41. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    magnuskn,

    “I love when Robb is gonna go after Casterly Rock.” Hilarious.

  42. magnuskn
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    magnuskn,

    “I love when Robb is gonna go after Casterly Rock.” Hilarious.

    Yeah, I’m sure there’ll be some serious “Did that just happen” coming up in the reviews later on this season. ^^

  43. Al Swearengen
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know what’s happened to Thronecast on Sky Atlantic ? Please tell me it was just absent this week casue Sky wanted to have GOT fans watch Banshee ?

  44. kingslayer
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    According to this link sundays episode was up 4% from last weeks at 4.9

    http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/9634/game-of-thrones-ratings-grow-again.html

  45. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    kingslayer,

    Nice, although was hoping for 5 million.

    Thronecast ep 5 is not on sky go. Could it be cancelled?

  46. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    kingslayer,

    Actually, not sure I trust that at all. It says “Episode 4: Kissed by Fire” when it should say Episode 5. And last week had 4.87 million viewers and so a 4% increase would constitute over 5 millions views.

  47. thisone
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga:
    What the Flick review:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ6Jz8t1tAk

    Finally!

  48. Nancy
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    ANiceChianti,

    I agree with you. I know my opinion of Jaime is not a popular one. I feel like Jaime does gain more self awareness as the series goes on. His “redemptive arc”, in my view, is shallow compared to the redemptive arc that Theon goes through in book 5. The fact that Jaime never acknowledges that pushing Bran out of the window as wrong, even when Cersei tells him it was a dumb thing to do, has always bothered me. So I do understand where some of the show viewers who did not read the book are coming from about Jaime
    But however I feel about Jaime as a character, it does not take a way from the fact that the show is doing a good job with the character and Nikolaj has been pitch perfect. One of the beautiful things of this story is that everyone has characters who they like and don’t like and all have good arguments in support or not of those characters.

  49. 0ken0
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    magnuskn,

    Agreed. What the Flick needs to be added to the list (even if it’s added in after the fact)!

    They are by far the best newbie reviewers. They have the same passion that Larry had in the beginning, without all the nit-picky BS that Larry has now.

    Not trying to say the man isn’t entitle to his own opinion, but damn, Larry went from being extremely fun to listen to, to annoying. Not cause I can’t handle a different opinion; but I just find his “complaints” to be very poorly justified. He gets super hung up on small details, often completely misreads aspects of the plot (that every other newbie seemed to understand just fine) and blames it on the writing, or makes absurd plot/ character predictions; and get’s upset when it doesn’t happen (The Hound a member of the BwoB… really?! Expecting Tywin not to be an asshole? Really?)

    Anyway, What the Flick and AnimeRealTalk are hence forth my go to newbie reactions.

  50. PetetheGreek
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Thanks, I will be checking them out from now on.

  51. 0ken0
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Also, on the topic of Jamies arc, I really feel like ones opinion on Jamie may be a personality trait indicator.

    What I mean by that is; personally, I’ve always found it hard to stay mad at people. Even when people have really wronged me, I’ve always gotten over it pretty quick. I also really enjoyed and believed in Jamie’s redemption in the books/ show. As he started to do and say good things, I never dwelled on what he had done in the past. Whatever, this is the here and now, and in the here and now, he’d doing good.

    I wonder if those people who can’t get past the things Jamie has done and still wont forgive him are also people who in real life tend to hold on to things longer (and dare I say hold grudges).

    I’m sure someone is going to blow up at me over this comment… but it’s absolutely true that ones personality affects how they perceive stories/characters.

  52. Nick_Scryer
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink
  53. ametalfellow
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    kingslayer,

    Actually, not sure I trust that at all. It says “Episode 4: Kissed by Fire” when it should say Episode 5. And last week had 4.87 million viewers and so a 4% increase would constitute over 5 millions views.

    Not to mention they list Harry Lloyd as part of the cast, and he’s been gone for almost 2 seasons now!

  54. Chris
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Nancy:
    ANiceChianti,

    I agree with you. I know my opinion of Jaime is not a popular one.I feel like Jaime does gain more self awareness as the series goes on. His “redemptive arc”, in my view, is shallow compared to the redemptive arc that Theon goes through in book 5.The fact that Jaime never acknowledges that pushing Bran out of the window as wrong, even when Cersei tells him it was a dumb thing to do, has always bothered me.So I do understand where some of the show viewers who did not read the book are coming from about Jaime
    But however I feel about Jaime as a character, it does not take a way from the fact that the show is doing a good job with the character and Nikolaj has been pitch perfect.One of the beautiful things of this story is that everyone has characters who they like and don’t like andall have good arguments in support or not of those characters.

    No offense but you are just blatantly wrong about something.

    Jaime does indeed acknowledge in Book 3 to Cersei that trying to kill Bran was wrong and he regrets it. Just because he doesn’t spend chapter after chapter pouting about it and dwelling on it doesn’t mean he never acknowledges it. It’s all part of his journey. He eventually comes to realizes Cersei has used him his whole life, and he has done bad things in order to protect her yet she isnt even worth protecting. Hence the culmination in Book 4, where Jaime receives a plea for help from his sister…and he throws it in the fire.

  55. Bodiccuh
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    ace,
    Great recap! “Just because a guy looks like Dumbledore, doesn’t mean he’s a friend to children” made me laugh so damn hard.

  56. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    I love how they filmed Karstark’s execution. Robb looks like a tiny man, clipping the cotton swab off of a Q-tip.

  57. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Chris,

    Jaime & Bran are at the heart of the story. It is their conflict that sets everything in motion. But, I’m of the opinion GRRM is playing mind games with us. Now that Bran’s under the influence of Bloodraven, the potential for corruption is there. And if he ends up eating Jojen, enslaving Hodor through warging and controlling the White Walkers, we may look back at the end of the series and think to ourselves, “If only Jaime had killed Bran, all of this could’ve been avoided”.

    Consider, the reason we sympathize with the Stark children and give them so many passes for their actions is because we know what they’ve been through. Yet, most all serial killers had traumatic childhoods, yet we don’t give them a pass for it. Point being, Bran has plenty of reason to hate humanity. But, if we’d first met Bran at the age of 30, and knew nothing of his backstory, we’d think he was a piece of shit… like Jaime.

  58. Gregory Kelton
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Wanna petition again for whattheflick being added to the list of recaps we get. They’re doing an awesome job over there.

  59. Adria
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    0ken0:
    magnuskn,

    Agreed. What the Flick needs to be added to the list (even if it’s added in after the fact)!

    They are by far the best newbie reviewers. They have the same passion that Larry had in the beginning, without all the nit-picky BS that Larry has now.

    Not trying to say the man isn’t entitle to his own opinion, but damn, Larry went from being extremely fun to listen to, to annoying. Not cause I can’t handle a different opinion; but I just find his “complaints” to be very poorly justified. He gets super hung up on small details, often completely misreads aspects of the plot (that every other newbie seemed to understand just fine) and blames it on the writing, or makes absurd plot/ character predictions; and get’s upset when it doesn’t happen (The Hound a member of the BwoB… really?! Expecting Tywin not to be an asshole? Really?)

    Anyway, What the Flick and AnimeRealTalk are hence forth my go to newbie reactions.

    Agreed on most points. Larry has a lot of excitement and enthsiasm, but I don’t think he expresses his ideas very well. He often repeats the same idea over and over using different idioms or misusing words and phrases. Also, he does not think his ideas through very well. For instance, Arya is approximately 12 years old and has recently watched her father killed and been separated from her family for the better part of a year, Yet he couldn’t seem to understand why she wouldn’t want to hang out with Robin Hood and his band of merry men in the middle of a war over finding her family. Hmm. Needs more thinking through. It’s a bit grating to see him so empatically bent on conclusions like this. Maybe it has to do with the fact that his videos are only him and he doesn’t have outside opinions to contrast and inform his own, whereas GOO is a group conversation.

  60. NymerosUno
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Two points..
    I agree with 0ken0 about personal interpretations of “redemption.” I’m willing to “cut” real people/fictional characters “slack” if I see an honest effort for self transformation. Personally, (not speaking for everyone) I feel like Jamie is moving toward redemption and that makes me more forgiving. Measuring this from the perspective of a book reader, we see a longer “arc” of redemption for Jamie than we see for Theon. “Book” Theon has not won me over yet, but he might in the long term.

    Second… Check out these “video” reviews for GOT. They are newbie reviews, but they do more analysis of the “world” of GOT than episode rehash. They “swear” they aren’t being spoiled and I’m impressed by how much they guess right. Of course, their incorrect guesses are wildly inaccurate. They also do this.. “So and So will be dead by episode 8″ stuff which is hysterical, because its always wrong.
    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCin5mJGhyXPe7eUnsX0EucQ

  61. caoimay
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Thankyouthankyouthankyou! I looooooooooooooove these guys, whattheflick video discussions are as good as ‘The talking dead’!

    Also someone recommended ‘konstantinos litourgis’ on YouTube, also Awesome review!

    And third best video discussion is definitely ThinkHero

    I loved Larry Williams first season reviews but honestly he seems to just dislike the show now so I really don’t know why he watches, anyway he was bringing me down. I’ve stopped watching his except once in awhile to check if he has stopped complaining

  62. caoimay
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Gregory Kelton,

    Seconded!

  63. pntrlqst
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink
  64. caoimay
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    NymerosUno:
    Two points..
    I agree with 0ken0 about personal interpretations of “redemption.” I’m willing to “cut” real people/fictional characters “slack” if I see an honest effort for self transformation. Personally, (not speaking for everyone) I feel like Jamie is moving toward redemption and that makes me more forgiving. Measuring this from the perspective of a book reader, we see a longer “arc” of redemption for Jamie than we see for Theon. “Book” Theon has not won me over yet, but he might in the long term.

    Second… Check out these “video” reviews for GOT. They are newbie reviews, but they do more analysis of the “world” of GOT than episode rehash. They “swear” they aren’t being spoiled and I’m impressed by how much they guess right. Of course, their incorrect guesses are wildly inaccurate. They also do this.. “So and So will be dead by episode 8″ stuff which is hysterical, because its always wrong.
    http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCin5mJGhyXPe7eUnsX0EucQ

    The name of the channel is Konstantinos Litourgis, they have realllly in depth reviews! They’re great and you can tell they love the show

  65. charles
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    those konstantinos guys seem fishy to me. They know way more than you’re average non-book reader does, even figuring out R+L=J.

  66. caoimay
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    charles,

    Ya but one of them thinks R is Robert

  67. WildSeed
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    ace:
    Jordan Yerman from the Vancouver Observer, recap/review

    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/taxonomy/term/29044/game-thrones-s03e05-recap-and-review-spoiler-alert

    Thanks for this link, the review was enjoyable and included more than a simple
    rehash of the episode. The Sydney temple Chimes of GoT theme song was an
    added bonus.

  68. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    charles,

    I’ve watched all their reviews (since the start) and am pretty sure they’re not. They get a lot of things completely off point: one thinks Stannis will die this season, the other thinks Gendry is a major player.

    They’re great reviewers who watch the show carefully. Shame they haven’t uploaded their latest review yet though.

  69. Eoghan Dalton
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Always love reading Alan Seppinwall’s reviews, his pieces are always worthwhile. Alyssa Rosenberg usually offers up some intriguing thoughts in hers too.

    For what it’s worth, here’s my two groats (I feel filthy for that) on the episode;
    http://thedailyshift.com/2013/04/29/review-kissed-by-fire-game-of-thrones-s03e05/

  70. WompWomp
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: What Larry doesn’t UNDERSTAAAND is that we’re not really supposed to feel sympathy for Jamie.The show/books are not trying to accomplish this.We’re supposed to feel a pull in that direction, reject it, and feel guilty for even considering it in the first place.

    Reeeeeally hoping this here jackbull is trying to be facetious with his remarks. Otherwise that’s the densest interpretation of GRRM’s authorial intent I’ve ever read.

  71. WompWomp
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    PetetheGreek,

    Someone posted What the Flick’s YouTube roundtable-style reactions to the show too. You get a non-spoiler discussion with a few newcomers and one reader. It’s a fun watch with some legitimate passion for the show on display, as well as intelligent responses to it.

  72. qwerty
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    thanks to whoever just clued me onto What the Flick crew. Good stuff. but are they ALL OF THEM UNSPOILED? Does anyone know for fact? Thanks.

  73. Dogmayor
    Posted April 30, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    qwerty,

    The only one who has read the books is John Iadarolla, the younger guy on the panel. I’ve only watched this latest recap but It looks like he lets the others discuss what they think without giving anything away. He also stuck up for Stannis, which I wholeheartedly support.

  74. Turncloak
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    whattheflick is such a good youtube review. Definitely among the best. My favorite written review is Andy Greenwald. My favorite newbie comment board is on Alan Sepinwalls review and the AV club newbie review. I love reading the Unsullied’s predictions!

  75. Turncloak
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    qwerty,

    Jon is a book reader. He just doesn’t spoil anything. Thats why I love whattheflick

  76. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    The facebook recap is up as well *here*.

  77. Turncloak
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    NymerosUno,

    Thanks! These guys are awesome

  78. Falcon
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    I just wanted to thank the commenter’s in the last couple recaps for turning me on to the what the flick show. Easily the best youtube review. High energy, entertaining and funny plus a book reader there to keep the mistakes from being annoying.

    And now this week with the Konstantinos Litourgis guys. They are hands down the smartest non book readers I’ve seen. They really know their stuff and pay attention to details. If you watch all their videos it’s obvious they aren’t readers and just smartly piece things together from the show just like you would any other show. It was awesome seeing them try to put together r+l=j just from the show in the predictions video, then adding another layer to it after Barristan’s line in episode 3. A lot of things they predict is completely off the mark of course, but their discussions are always very intelligent. Wish more show watchers were like them :P

  79. telobsidion
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Wow, they have some great insight. I can’t say more than that.

  80. Shock Me
    Posted May 1, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    I expect a hot tub scene in which Podrick Payne explains the REAL reason Aerys took Ser Ilyn Payne’s tongue. Something about the Payne family secret and their skill with it down town.

  81. Isabelle
    Posted May 4, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

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