The climb continues: Thrones sets yet another series high
By Winter Is Coming on in News.

Like a pack of wildlings scaling the Wall, the Game of Thrones ratings continue to go up. This week the initial audience hit a series-record 5.5 million, according to TVByTheNumbers. This included a 2.9 rating, also a series high. This puts Thrones only 30k viewers behind True Blood‘s all-time high number of 5.53 million.

The 11 PM repeat added 1.27 million viewers for a total of 6.77 million on the night, which tops the 6.68 million that watched on premiere night. Even more impressive, the season 3 premiere total was accumulated over three separate airings and this new record was set with only two.

Winter Is Coming: Great news! This show continues to defy expectations in the ratings. Is 6 million by season end in reach? At this point, all things seem possible.


126 Comments

  1. Andy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    This is awesome news.

  2. Joe
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Hate to be the detail nazi, (who am i kidding, I love it) but I think that should read 30k views behind TB :)

  3. Lexyvil
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    That’s great to hear!

  4. Alen
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    This is great news! I expected a small decrease so I’m really happy with these numbers.

  5. Poxy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    In before GeekFurious

  6. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Joe,

    Thank you!

  7. hinka
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Press: “Hello”
    Hodor: “Hodor”
    Press: “Expect an decrease next week?”
    Hodor: “Hodor”
    Press: “But episode Nine will be an increase again and puts True Blood in second place?”
    Hodor: “Hodor!”
    Press: “And the final episode will break the 6 million record?”
    Hodor: “Hodor! Hodor! Hooooodddooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!”

  8. Marty Spinner
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    For the first time this season the total viewers on the night (including repeats) went up, from 6.7 on premier night to 6.77.

  9. zzz
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    maybe 6.5 by end of season
    thats good probally means more money for next season?

  10. The Flayed Man
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious the parrot is late to the game today…

    Seriously though, I have a feeling there won’t be an increase next week, due to this week’s episode being more of a board-setter than the previous two action-packed set piece episodes. Hopefully I’m wrong though!

  11. unrobb
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    While the numbers aren’t the most accurate measure of the show’s support, it’s certainly helpful that they’re going up rather than down. Hopefully HBO continues to show GoT some love.

  12. Loki
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Can i be that nerdfighter guy this time? Please?

    ahem…

    HBO DOESNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT RATINGS WHY DO YOU KKEP POSTING THAT DONT YOU REALISE THAT WONT AFFECT ANYTHING

  13. Sandsnake
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    After seing the numbers from the last couple of weeks I am now almost certain that the events of the RW are going to push the finale over the 6 million mark for the initial airing. I can see the next 3 episodes rising a little more from this number then the finale will take it to the next level. I love seing the show we have followed from the ground up continue to grow bigger and bigger. At this rate Season 4 is going to be massive, especially when you look at the events that we have to look forward too

  14. Omar Brown
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Unstoppable!!

  15. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Chances of this series finishing off its entire run on HBO are about at their highest they have ever been right now. Today? It’s all sunshine and puppies for Game of Thrones.

  16. Geekfurious' bro
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Aaaaaaaaand… this number is completely meaningless to the future of the show since all HBO cares about is total viewers, not the amount of viewers who tuned in “live” at 9pm.

    The truly important number is the 12-14 million who watch any given episode over the next year.

  17. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Loki:
    Can i be that nerdfighter guy this time? Please?

    ahem…

    HBO DOESNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT RATINGS WHY DO YOU KKEP POSTING THAT DONT YOU REALISE THAT WONT AFFECT ANYTHING

    #NOONEUNDERSTAAAANDS!

  18. excalibur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Loki,

    Because ratings are fun :D

  19. John-Michael
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    Remember guys, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

  20. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Ratings aren’t a pit. Ratings are a ladder. Many shows try to climb it and fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb. They cling to the lame-ass reality show, or the cliche-ridden sitcom, or Simon Cowell. Only the ladder is real. The rating is all there is.

  21. garik16
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    So confused about these rises. Season 1 went up .8 between premiere and finale. Season 2 went up .4.

    I don’t see much difference between this season and the last, honestly. And yet we’ve already gone up 1.13 points! The only thing I can think of is that the gap between S2 Finale and S3 premier was small, so there was a natural rise coming. But this is ridiculous.

    Next week’s ratings should be curious as this was the first cool down episode in a while and ratings usually perk up slightly after an action ep.

  22. Juego de Tronos
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    another very good rating! what a great news!

  23. Sayslah
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    That episode will probably send the ratings down about 300,000 viewers next week. At least they lumped all the crap into one episode.

  24. Sean
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    The number might not matter exactly but it does help to show of how GOT is getting deeper into the cultural zitghist.

  25. Maxwell James
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    garik16,

    If you look at total nightly ratings this season, they are very consistent: 6.7 million for the first episode, 6.77 for this most recent one. The difference is just that the first two episodes aired three times on Sunday night, whereas subsequent episodes aired only two (because of the start of Veep).

    So the overall performance is following a similar track as last year: a big bump at the beginning of the season, and remarkable consistency from week to week.

  26. Croccifixio
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    what is BREAK?

    i hope the success of this show will push HBO to make other nonmainstream or genre shows and help them by making GOT the lead-in.

  27. Mike Chair
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: Ratings are a ladder.

    Very nice.

    WE WANT TWELVE!!

    TWELVE EPISODES EVERY SEASON!!

  28. Poxy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    Go back to rocking your chair, Mike! We don’t want twelve. We want 10.

  29. Mike Chair
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Poxy,

    Oh yeah, go drink some penicillin! ;-)

    Not 10. TWELVE!

    I’d take 10 if the season premier and finale were each two hours.

  30. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Nothing else even came close…

    GoT sits on the Iron Throne!

  31. Freoduwebbe
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    LOVE THIS… on the other hand hubby wants to whack you cause i choked on my bagel

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    Ratings aren’t a pit. Ratings are a ladder. Many shows try to climb it and fail, and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some are given a chance to climb. They cling to the lame-ass reality show, or the cliche-ridden sitcom, or Simon Cowell. Only the ladder is real. The rating is all there is.

  32. Delirium
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Yes it is!!! :-D

    zzz,

  33. Clob
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    People that didn’t think this past episode was very strong might be a little outspoken. Reading articles and comments elsewhere I don’t see much ‘not good,’ but more of the understanding of what was going on as the cliche “table-setting” and still liked it.

    At this point in the series I’m not sure a less than mindblowing episode will result in much of a drop in ratings the following week. Viewers that are current should know what kind of awesome the program provides and should then also be excited to see what’s next.

  34. TrappingsOfPower
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    As much as the premier rating doesn’t matter to HBO execs all that much as far as financing and renewals of shows and such, trust me, they still care – a lot.

  35. superdeluxe
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    With what happens in Episode 9. I have a feeling that we might reach 7 million.

  36. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Geekfurious’ bro:
    Aaaaaaaaand… this number is completely meaningless to the future of the show since all HBO cares about is total viewers, not the amount of viewers who tuned in “live” at 9pm.

    The truly important number is the 12-14 million who watch any given episode over the next year.

    Because certainly the amount of viewers that tune in at 9 pm has no correlation whatsoever with the final total number that whatches the show over the next year right? right? sigh..

  37. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Maxwell James:
    garik16,

    If you look at total nightly ratings this season, they are very consistent: 6.7 million for the first episode, 6.77 for this most recent one. The difference is just that the first two episodes aired three times on Sunday night, whereas subsequent episodes aired only two (because of the start of Veep).

    So the overall performance is following a similar track as last year: a big bump at the beginning of the season, and remarkable consistency from week to week.

    Actually, the cumulative viewers number has fluctuated more than you are accounting for here. Yes, it reached 6.7m on premiere night and then 6.4m for the second episode. But both of those were nights when it aired three times. Here are the numbers on nights when there were only two airings.

    Ep. 3: 5.76m
    Ep. 4: 5.90m
    Ep. 5: 6.67m
    Ep. 6: 6.77m

    As you can see, a growth very similar to the one shown in the initial viewing.

  38. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    And yes D&D can say this and that, but if they can produce 10 episodes certainly they can produce 11 or 12…

  39. Maxwell James
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Good point – I stand corrected!

    Actually, browsing through a few of your older ratings posts, I see that this is the first time that GoT’s overnight ratings have exceeded those of the season premiere (which always screens three times). That seems like a very good sign.

  40. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Freoduwebbe,

    Thanks!

  41. OhDanyBoy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Actually, the cumulative viewers number has fluctuated more than you are accounting for here. Yes, it reached 6.7m on premiere night and then 6.4m for the second episode. But both of those were nights when it aired three times. Here are the numbers on nights when there were only two airings.

    Ep. 3: 5.76m
    Ep. 4: 5.90m
    Ep. 5: 6.67m
    Ep. 6: 6.77m

    As you can see, a growth very similar to the one shown in the initial viewing.

    Further to that, if you look at only 2 viewings for the first two weeks, the 9 and 11 showings added up as follow:

    Premiere: 4.366 + 0.916 = 5.28 M
    Ep. 2: 4.27 + 0.86 = 5.13 M

    Not a perfect compare, but fits previous years’ trends with a dip after the premiere. And also fits the first viewing trend of a steady rise for most of the season.

  42. Maxwell James
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    So in response to garik16′s question – I wonder if the sharp growth we’re seeing now is a result of the slow build up over the past two seasons. People who were once casual viewers (as much as anyone can be with a show as complex as GoT) have gotten increasingly obsessed, and are no longer waiting days or weeks to catch up on the latest episode. That would be a very good sign from HBO’s perspective.

  43. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Any chance we could see the international ratings ?

  44. OhDanyBoy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano:
    And yes D&D can say this and that, but if they can produce 10 episodes certainly they can produce 11 or 12…

    By that logic, they can produce an infinite number of episodes per year…

    “If they can produce 12, they can produce 14.”

    “If they can produce 14, they can produce 16.”

  45. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Any chance we could see the international ratings ?

    I answered this question in one of the other ratings posts. I’ll copy and paste my response here:

    There is no international number, that I know of. That would be cool to know, but it would take a good amount of work to collect all of those numbers. Especially since most of them would only be reported in each country’s native tongue, so it would need to be a group effort with people of different nationalities all reporting the numbers in their country and then one person tabulating all those viewers. And I’m not even sure every country has something like Nielsen which releases first viewing numbers publicly.

  46. jentario
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Mike Chair: Very nice.

    WE WANT TWELVE!!

    TWELVE EPISODES EVERY SEASON!!

    That’s not really relevant anymore since they aren’t doing a season per book.

  47. Mike Chair
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: And yes D&D can say this and that, but if they can produce 10 episodes certainly they can produce 11 or 12…

    Maybe it’s not just D&D. Maybe it’s GRRM.

    Maybe he just doesn’t like the number 12 because Tom Brady wears it, and we all know that GRRM haaates the New England Patriots.

    Hey George, you know who else wore number 12? Joe Namath! Remember? The first round pick in 1965 — the TWELFTH pick, by the way. Okay, he was the NFL’s 12th pick and the AFL Jets picked him 1st, but still… How many seasons did Broadway Joe play for the Jets? Twelve. Boom.

    I bet if you asked Joe, he’d say “TWELVE!”

  48. sansa
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Yeah, my country doesn’t have anything like that, as far as I know.

    jentario: That’s not really relevant anymore since they aren’t doing a season per book.

    But think how cool it would be if HBO gave us a two-hour premier and a two-hour final. Season 4 spoilers. Then the PW would fit comfortably into the premier and viewers who have waited a year to get revenge for the RW could see Joff die in the very first episode. It would be a great opener.

  49. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I was just curious to see how the show does in different markets. The Sunday Times in the UK sorta has ratings in it’s culture magazine but they’re weeks behind.

    It’s great that GOT is doing well on HBO but as I’ve said before this show is going to rely more on its international appeal IMO.

  50. The_Wanderer
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Begin Lame Pun:

    The Climb’s ratings climbed.

    End Lame Pun

    …. I couldn’t resist.

  51. Just a Random
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    HBO does care about ratings though. Not I’m the traditional sense of ad buys, but how else do you measure and compare shows? Especially one that’s so expensive to produce. They’d never invest time and money if nobody watched. It also drums up more pr to get subscribers. Now you’ve got mainstream media talking about a show on a premium channel and ppl want to check it out.

    Those are very impressive numbers for a premium channel, and in the key demographic, a 2.9 is outstanding.

    Have they already announced a renewal for season 4? (book 4)

  52. Alice
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Just a Random,

    They have, and season 4 will be roughly the other half of ASOS.

  53. oracle86
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Updated ratings chart –

    http://i.imgur.com/fGJ6iMd.png

  54. Mimsy
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    unrobb: Seriously though, I have a feeling there won’t be an increase next week, due to this week’s episode being more of a board-setter than the previous two action-packed set piece episodes. Hopefully I’m wrong though!

    I understand where you’re coming from… but that in your face dragon shot during the promo for this coming week was insane and I think that will draw viewers. *fingers crossed*

  55. Anon1
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    Yep, very true. They are an ad-free subscription-based channel. Their ratings don’t matter much, because their costs remain the same, and they don’t make any revenue from ads.

  56. sunspear
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano:
    And yes D&D can say this and that, but if they can produce 10 episodes certainly they can produce 11 or 12…

    It doesn’t matter what we want. Once we get it, we want something else…

  57. Bell
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Great, now if the rating go down people will use that as proof that this episode wasn’t good. Not every episode needs to be ACTION ACTION to be good. Some people need to approciate the quiet episodes.

  58. Bell
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Pretty cool that we have an expert on TV production here.

  59. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    How great would it be if GRRM’s episode is the one that finally tops ‘True Blood’s’ series high in viewership? I know I have been anticipating this week’s episode more than any of the non-RW episodes this season. If not this week then I’m sure episode 8 will surpass TB’s 5.53 million. And I am now optimistic that the finale will draw over 6 million.

  60. elas
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man: Seriously though, I have a feeling there won’t be an increase next week, due to this week’s episode being more of a board-setter than the previous two action-packed set piece episodes. Hopefully I’m wrong though!

    TRUE! I am with you. I expect a small decrease for the next episode.

  61. Daemon
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Remember how certain everyone was that HBO’s marketing department didn’t know what they were doing? LOL

  62. MW
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    oracle86,

    You’re going to need a taller chart soon.

  63. Trilambdas
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    I’m less worried about the RW as they have really been making Rob seem like a little, pouty, peckerhead this season so people won’t be too sad when he dies and will say, oh well I saw it coming… but a lot of my unsullied friends absolutely love Ygritte so her death is going to piss em off a lot and I think a lot will be heartbroken especially after the end of last week’s under-appreciated episode.
    My ‘worry’ is in the context of the effect on ratings.

  64. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Trilambdas,

    The RW isn’t just about Robb being killed. It is the destruction of the Starks. I wasn’t a fan of Robb’s in the books and yet the RW was completely gut wrenching. They may see Robb’s death coming, but the brutality of it all will make an impact, especially when they see Grey Wind’s head sewn onto Robb’s body. And of course seeing Cat go mad and have her throat slit will haunt people as well. However, I think the RW will generate more buzz and create more viewers than it loses.

    As far as Ygritte-Jon goes, I’m sure plenty of people will be heartbroken when she’s gone, but it will be good drama, and tragedy sells.

  65. GG
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t know about the 6 mil by season end. The blowback from The Red Wedding will either send the ratings stratospheric or bring them crashing back to Earth. We shall see.

  66. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Very exciting stuff. I’d agree with those few posters who feel that we’ll see a slight decrease next week, but that’s no matter. Episode 8 should see another high, given what should happen in episode 7, and it’s likely that the finale will set another series high. I’m not sure about episode 9 yet, however, but considering there will be a two week period between episodes at that point, anticipation may reach a feverish pitch…

    All-in-all, I’m sure HBO couldn’t be happier with these numbers. It’s been a remarkably steady progression from the pilot to this point, and it shows that having faith in your show can most definitely pay off (a lesson broadcast networks don’t seem to have learned, despite cable stealing all of their thunder in the post-2000′s landscape).

    I don’t think it’s possible, from a logistical stand-point, to increase the episode count. Even with this success, the writers and producers still have to work with a relatively modest budget compared to the sheer scale of what they’re attempting. And it’s not like increasing the budget will allow for more days in the year for them to prep, shoot, and do all of the post work required. I think that, if we’re ever going to get more than 10 episodes, it will be a one-time deal and it will happen once Game of Thrones moves into the spot True Blood currently occupies in the summer. My guess is that the fifth season will combine AFfC & ADwD (likely with some sequences from TWoW) into a 12-13 episode series that will air during the summer of 2015. This will facilitate a scheduling change while allowing D&D and the rest of the writers to adapt the ‘entirety’ of that segment of the story. From then on out, I think it goes back to the 10 episode format, with a possible exception made for the finale season. All speculation, of course, but I’m bored at work, so…

  67. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    I guarantee people will tune in for the aftermath. The scene will be so haunting that they won’t be able to get it out of their minds.

  68. Joey
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I agree the RW is going to bring more viewers and is going to generate a huge number for the finally. I asked this in another post but do you think that maybe they keep Ygritte and combine her with Val. I dont think so and I think it willl be a good scene when Jon comes across her body, but ive heard others speculate.

  69. GG
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Never underestimate the power of rage.

  70. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Anon1: Yep, very true. They are an ad-free subscription-based channel. Their ratings don’t matter much, because their costs remain the same, and they don’t make any revenue from ads.

    However, if/when HBO attempts to sell a PG-rated version of Game of Thrones to basic cable, the initial ratings will be a factor in the cost per episode HBO can ask. Unlike TB, which once purged of its sex, language and nudity is left with a ridiculous, plot-hole-filled mess, GOT will still be harrowing TV.

  71. Villane
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    12 episodes would have been great for Season 1 and 2, but we really don’t need them for Season 3 and 4. 20 episodes to tell Storm of Swords is plenty. I’d say we’re going to get a lot of added scenes in Season 4, because there’s not really 10 episodes of material after the split. We’re going to get 10 eps based on a little over 400 pages. Good thing those 400 pages are the most jam-packed, awesome part of any of the books.

  72. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    I disagree that AFFC/ADWD will only be around 13 episodes, but you brought up something interesting. If ‘True Blood’ ends after season 7, would HBO consider moving ‘Game Of Thrones’ to the Summer? It would make some sense considering there is very little competition in the Summer. I guess if it’s not broke don’t fix it, but moving the show back to a Summer premier would allow for a single 12 episode season. That would certainly be something to think about.

  73. Trilambdas
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Like Ramsay Snow said, if you think this has a happy ending… True, it may have a huge impact in that way! I do think after Ned died, people gravitated less towards Robb/Cat and more to Jon, Arya, and even Sansa more (oh who do we kid, it’s all Rickon!). But you did make me rethink this whole thing and we are so far removed from season 1 that yeah this is going to kill viewers, but the impact will indeed be positive with generating an even bigger buzz and result in more viewers… I do wonder if the season will end with evil-dead-Cat making an appearance (evil is a personal view of her), and I really loved the subtle plant they put in with Arya talking to the brotherhood about bringing back a person without a head… like that’s why Beric sacrifices himself because of the guilt delivered by Arya about selling Gendry-Edric Storm. Slight tangent there, but I agree, great point!

  74. Dogmayor
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    garik16,

    I do. The quality of the writing, direction and editing this season has improved dramatically over last season. I criticized these elements last season, but this season the show has really found it’s footing. GOT simply gets better and better.

  75. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Villane,

    This is how I feel too. Season 1 was fine at 10 episodes, but season 2 was the season that would have worked best with 12. Jon’s storyline alone could have been saved with another couple of episodes.

  76. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Villane,

    If D&D are really going to aim at 80 episodes we’ll have to back it out this way — given that AFfC is the least plotted of the books and ADwD has a lot of stuff with Dany in one place. I think those 2 books will be the most condensed, particularly AFfC (Brienne’s wanderings will probably be cut to the Quiet Isle and a bit of other stuff with her and Pod, and never mind Nimble Dick Crabbe and all those other bozos), and so you end up with something like this:

    Season 4: Rest of ASoS, some sections of AFfC (like Brienne)
    Season 5: The bulk of ASoS and ADwD
    Season 6: The remnants of ADwD, a good chunk of Winds of Winter
    Season 7: Winds of Winter/Dream of Spring
    Season 8: Dream of Spring

    Lastly, I still don’t get the idea that any particular coming event is going to turn off the bulk of the show’s viewers who are becoming more and more interested in this show on a weekly basis — with the possible exception, say, of re-casting Danys with a Kardashian sister, having Theon find a way out of his predicament with the sudden (OMG!) appearance of a shotgun, or adding an extra Baratheon brother to challenge for the throne by the name of Jar-Jar Baratheon, who has big floppy ears and says things like “Meesa sayin winter is coming!”

  77. Jacob_M
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m torn…I like that I’ve been reading the aSoIaF books since 1996 when almost noone had heard of them. It made me feel…well, BETTER than most people (yes, YOU). I liked watching this series from the very start, when most people didn’t know anything about it, knowing that this character that everyone thought was the main protagonist of the show was destined to die in the first season. I felt a bit smug (but I didn’t spoil). When it picked up speed, people at work started talking about the show and their favourite characters, I smiled a superior smile (though I tried to hide it somewhat).

    Now…it’s becoming too popular! The books themselves have been continuously on the best-seller lists since basically the first episode of the first season. George RR Martin’s been among the top ten best selling authors for a long fucking time, despite the fact that no new book’s come out in two years! Good for you, you bastard! But what about me? How am I supposed to feel smug and superior when EVERYONE AND THEIR MOTHER has now read these books? Everyone and THEIR MOTHER!
    And of course, they all watch the show…

    Damn you, George R R Martin.

    I thought that if I ever had kids – A daughter – she’d be named Arya. I’d make sure that the mother of this kid read these books first, of course. It would be a rare name, not a name she shared with half the kids in school. People would ask where name came from and I’d tell them. No….it’s not from aryan as in white sup….maybe it’d be better to name the girl Danaerys?

    But that was then. Kids will come to school in a few years and there will be one or two Danaerys and Arya’s in every class. And all the parents to those kids will have thought that they gave their kids special and unique names.

    And all the people on twitter that I loathe? They all love this show! And they all read their politics into it!

    Still…great ratings and ever greater numbers of fanatical fans assures that HBO will continue to see this show through to the end.

    I am torn.

  78. oracle86
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    MW:
    oracle86,

    You’re going to need a taller chart soon.

    Hehe. :)

  79. Villane
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I’d say that breakdown of Seasons is fairly accurate. I think the main thing to think about in terms of how they’ll split things up after Storm of Swords is in terms of character arcs.
    For example:
    If Dany decides to stay in Meereen and rule at the end of Season 4, her natural arc for Season 5 would end with her foresaking it all and hopping on Drogon’s back in the fighting pit.
    For Theon, rescuing Jeyne Poole (or whoever it is in her role in the show) and redeeming himself would be a natural place to end. Jaime tossing Cersei’s letter in the fire. Cersei’s arrest. Sam arriving in Oldtown.
    All of those seem like natural season enders to me.
    Some of the characters are a lot trickier. Jon doesn’t have a natural ending point midway through Dance. Davos and Bran have so few chapters, stuff is going to have to be invented for them. Book purists are probably going to be pulling their hair out when we get past Storm of Swords because changes will have to be made to accomadate just how complicating the storytelling gets.

  80. Joey
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I hope they can split up 4 and 5 between 3 seasons. I know alot of people are skeptical becausealot of people think its just to much exposition and charcters walking from point A to point B. but if they do it right they can make it interesting. we know they are not affraid of adding new content and GRRM is giving them information so they should be able to use material from the next to books even if they are not out yet. But they 6th should be but then.

    Im actually excited at the prospect of Dunk and Egg to come to the screen or any other backstory spinoffs that could happen. Kind of like the second season of Sparticus. and that could serve and good filler for the mail story arc and give GRRM a few more years to Complete the series

  81. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    To me this is great news. Not only because I love the show and think it’s the best TV series on TV and people should be watching and enjoying it… But also because, as we all know, when something works this well and gets this kind of attention there are bound to be copycats.

    We got “Vikings” which had visible GoT influence all over it…

    What other TV series will be in the making now? TV executives are pretty smart and will want to tap in and share some of the resources GoT has proven exists in the drama/fantasy viewership numbers.

    That coupled with the ever advancing CGI technology to support believable VFX really opens the door for more TV fantasy series.

    Not the old clique stuff like Xena or Conan, but deep and complex characters and worlds sprinkled with a little magic and fantasy.

    I am really excited and these GoT ratings and critical acclaim have opened up a whole new world in big budget TV productions.

    What’s next? “The Icewind Dale” trilogy? You know there’s producers out there with their feelers out looking for the next GoT or something similar to tap into this newly discovered resource…

  82. sbj2k1
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Jacob_M,

    Don’t fret my friend. We pieced together the clues and started the theories. We dug for the info and trolled the ezboard forums back in the day. We went CSI and Sherlock on the muthafocka. Where now people just wiki what they missed or hear it second hand. It’s still rewarding for me to see someone’s expression when they ask about a theory and I respond with PoV chapter and page # of where the hints are scattered though :)

  83. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    We’ve talked about American Gods, coming from HBO next year. Kim Harrison’s Hallows series did not get beyond the pilot stage at the CW Network; neither did All Signs of Death from Alan Ball. A new series from Stephen DeKnight (Spartacus) for Starz, called Incursion, is considered a “space war show” that isn’t yet on the schedule but, as a sci-fi/fantasy offering, could be considered a post-GOT series.

  84. Matt
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    sansa,

    That does sound like a good idea. I felt episode 1 and 2 could’ve easily have been an entire episode. It also gives D&D enough time to visit EVERYONE in the premiere and finale, so no one is left out, and all fans are happy that they got to see their beloved (insert character here). It also means things don’t have to be rushed in the premiere, which I felt, barring Season 1′s premiere, that s2 and s3′s premieres were.

  85. Matt
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Oh is The Bear and the Maiden Fair GRRM’s episode? No wonder they left out Sam the Slayer from the last episode.

    I swear, “The Climb” has gotten a lot of not so great reviews, and I think Sam the Slayer would’ve been something that could’ve elevated the episode in some people’s eyes.

  86. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    Well I’m looking forward to all the new fantasy series that are on the horizon due to GoT being a trailblazer and showing the world it is possible to make a hit fantasy series.

    Look what Sopranos did to the mob genre. To this day there are copycat series being made.

    I’m just hoping (because I’m a WoW playing, AD&D dice rolling nerd), that GoT will go down as the adult fantasy epic that opened the door for many many more to follow.

    Off topic:
    You know how great football coaches spawn from other great football coaches? Like so many currant NFL coaches all worked together under Bill Parcells. I really hope that all the producers/writers and all the top talent involved in creating this show branch out and do their own thing but carry with them the top notch quality and work ethic to each bring us another great TV series. Be it fantasy, drama, sci-fi or a mixture of whatever.

    Just think, each of these people’s names will have before them “From the creators of Game of Thrones” or some kind of GoT reference tagged to their names like badges of badassness.

    I hope Bryan and D&D use the acclaim they get after GoT to bring us something just as epic. I know this is like 8 years away but I hope they have something in mind.

  87. Kaldor
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Geekfurious’ bro,

    Don’t you think those 2 numbers correlate a little??

  88. Easteros bunny
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I hope for more adult fantasy as well, I just look at the debacle that was “legend of the seeker” and weep.

    I think one of the reasons this fantasy show has become so popular is that it doesn’t rely on heavy fantasy cliches, the dark lord in his tower, the princess in need of rescue, a humble farm boy who really is a descendant of a long forgotten king who ends up being a hero blah blah blah.

    The fact that there is real danger to the characters, that anyone could and will be killed, which show in the history of television had the balls to kill off their main character in the first season?

  89. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny,

    Well… If GoT keeps doing what it’s doing there will be lots more. This is a copycat industry. Also, D&D and Cogman and all those involved in bringing GoT to life on TV will be able to walk into any TV executive boardroom and layout their idea for a new TV series and be taking very seriously… Even if it’s another fantasy/drama.

    Before GoT, for this type of adult fantasy, I’d have to play PC games or AD&D or read books. It’s just so awesome that it’s out there doing well in the mainstream and breaking preconceived boundaries.

    Many more will follow, I’m sure of it. Some of the nerds that played AD&D, WoW and/or read fantasy books (besides LotR) are all grown up now. Some are even producers and writers on major cable networks (D&D and Cogman).

    Again all these facts coupled with the capability of CGI equal more adult epic fantasy/dramas to come…

  90. tysnow
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    My sentiments exactly, season four needs to be 12 episodes or a 2 hour premiere and finale, hear that HBO we want our Icing on the Westerosean cake. I want to see more Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, Arya, Theon, Sansa, Sandor, Stannis, Davos, MELISANDRE, Ygritte, Sam & Gilly, Jorah, Barristan, more of the other two dragons and more Direwolves, more and more of the greatest series ever.
    12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…

  91. Joan Català
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I think we have to stop considering the future seasons in terms of whole books, and start focusing on the individual storylines instead. There are so many, they are advancing at different speeds and some have more ground to cover than others.

    For example all the Feast for Crows material happening at King’s Landing can’t happen until the beginning of Season 5, as it is more than likely that S4 will end with Tywin’s death. (End of ASOS)

    On the other hand, Bran could jump into Dance with Dragons a season earlier than the folks at the capital. It is not officialy confirmed (minor spoiler ahead), but we know he’ll cross the Wall on the finale, probably meet Coldhands in the opening episodes of S4 if he doesn’t this season.

    Arya suffers a similar case as I can’t see how S4 could end without her arriving in Braavos. There’s simply not enough material for her, not for four episodes, let alone ten.

    On the opposite end we have Jon. If rumors are true and Stannis doesn’t arrive to the Wall until the last two episodes of season 4, Jon will start Season 5 without having finished ASOS yet.

    And for a final example, Theon is already into A Dance with Dragons (even if it’s only reflecting something that happened during ASOS). In S4, with Robb out of the picture and Roose Bolton’s betrayal shown, I can see Theon being sent to Moat Cailin to clear out the few remaining ironborn.

  92. JamesL
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    HBO is not making American Gods next year. They bought the rights to the book a while ago but that doesn’t mean anything. They buy the rights to lots of things but they usually go nowhere.

  93. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    JamesL: HBO is not making American Gods next year. They bought the rights to the book a while ago but that doesn’t mean anything. They buy the rights to lots of things but they usually go nowhere.

    http://screenrant.com/neil-gaiman-american-gods-hbo-6-seasons-mcrid-119432/

    http://www.thedaonline.com/a-e/neil-gaiman-s-american-gods-to-make-television-debut-on-hbo-1.2972616#.UYmRMIWkSHk

    http://hbowatch.com/more-details-on-hbos-adaptation-of-american-gods/

  94. sunspear
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink
  95. Mike Chair
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    tysnow: My sentiments exactly, season four needs to be 12 episodes or a 2 hour premiere and finale, hear that HBO we want our Icing on the Westerosean cake. I want to see more Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Jaime, Cersei, Arya, Theon, Sansa, Sandor, Stannis, Davos, MELISANDRE, Ygritte, Sam & Gilly, Jorah, Barristan, more of the other two dragons and more Direwolves, more and more of the greatest series ever.
    12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…12…

    Twelve episodes would be a … sublime number of episodes.
    That’s a math joke.

    TWELVISTS UNITE!

  96. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I agree that D&D, and in particular our own Bryan Cogman (I think we think of him that way, don’t we?) have a bright future. D&D I hope would concentrate on the tremendous management skills they must have mastered, overseeing units on several continents, delivering on-time and on-budget over many seasons, surrounding themselves with top professionals like Ms. Gold, and of course winning the confidence of GRRM to begin with.

    The Cogmeister is the writer of the group and, assuming he doesn’t decide to become head writer for Dora the Explorer, could be a terrific screenwriter along with the likes of Matthew Weiner and Michael Hirst. He has proven himself to have the discipline, talent, and humility to adapt complicated material in a compelling way. What we don’t yet know if he has the ability to do it at speed. :) If he can produce 5 episodes a season and oversee a writer’s room that produces 5-7 more, he could be a head writer for years to come. (And of course Weiner produces an entirely original show.) If he wanted to be a showrunner, I could see that happening, too.

  97. Lex
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Jacob_M,

    I hope this post is a joke…

  98. Villane
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    All astute observations. Where’d you hear that rumor about Stannis?

  99. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I, for one, am also very much looking forward to all of the shows that follow Game of Thrones as being adult fantasy/sci-fi series. American Gods looks quite promising, and I am also hoping Incursion gets made (although I do wish Camelot got a second season, because even though it wasn’t the greatest of shows its ‘ending’ just wasn’t an ending). But above all I want HBO to give The Dark Tower the full Game of Thrones treatment. Being Stephen King’s magnum opus, it has the potential to be a hit just as big as GoT. Imagine HBO having two Game of Thrones’ at the same time…

    As for HBO in general, I believe American Gods is going to fill the spot that has remained vacant since Luck ended, making their four major dramas American Gods, Game of Thrones, True Blood and Boardwalk Empire. Then out of those, True Blood will likely end either this season or next season, and with Boardwalk Empires ever dwindling ratings I don’t see it getting past season 4, or 5 if it lucky (despite the fact that HBO desperately wants to make it the new Sopranos). For replacements, Guillermo del Toro’s adaption of Monster looks rather promising, or possibly Hobgoblin or Indie Game (going by the list of potential future series’ on wikipedia), and The Dark Tower seems like it would be an appropriate replacement for BE (if HBO has the sense to actually make it). Overall it is a very promising looking future…

  100. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Villane,

    the fact that D&D said that there is major battle at the end of season four ie the siege of the Wall that will require a lot of money. Going by that we can draw the conclusion that Stannis will arrive at the Wall near the end of season four.

  101. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Awesome!

    That’s promising news! I myself am a little bored of all the tons of media entertainment already out there that are based on the following subjects:

    1). Mob and/or gangster stuff, so boring and played out.
    2). Vampire or Zombie stuff, again these show ideas seem played out (so what is white walkers are a part of GoT, it’s just a small part)
    3). World War II stuff, so many movies and shows that had to do with that.

    GoT type fantasy/drama is such a breath of fresh air.

    I hope HBO has the courage to green light more original concepts like they did for GoT.

    If so, once the “Luck” replacement debutes, they will have another winner.

  102. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Also…

    Where has HBO been when it comes to the miniseries arena? Last one I remember them doing was “The Pacific” produced by Tom Hanks or something.

    IMO, and I’m no informed and high paid cable channel executive, but wouldn’t it be smart to commission a 10 part miniseries once a year?

    They can advertise it, play it, package it up and sell it as a DVD purchase and add instant cash to their warchest. While at the same time adding a larger selection of top notch HBO quality shows in their library.

    Again ill mention “Shogun” as a candidate for this kind of miniseries. But really, what’s up with HBO no longer doing miniseries, those are fun too and make fast money. Not everything has to run 5+ years to be good…

  103. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    that was mostly just my speculation, unfortunately. We know that American Gods is going to premiere late this year or early next year, and since it isn’t replacing GoT or BE, it must be taking that vacant spot left by Luck as the fourth major drama. True Blood has a shortened season and it just feels like it is heading towards an ending, so it is my prediction that this will either be the last or second last season. and again, it is just speculation about BE, but I really wouldn’t be surprised if it gets the axe, as the ratings (at least for the initial airings, I’m not sure about overall viewership) has been perpetually falling since it premiered in 2010.

    As for new series, only American Gods is confirmed. they are still just developing pilots for everything else. The ones I mentioned are just the ones I think have the highest chance of being made. As far as I am aware the full list of stuff in development is:
    The Missionary (cold war spy drama)
    Reds (another cold war spy drama. I don’t believe either of these have a shot because of the FX series ‘The Americans’)
    The Leftovers (post-rapture survivor series)
    Hobgoblin (WW2 series about attempts to assassinate Hitler)
    Indie Game (drama about video game developers)
    Monster (based on the Japanese manga, it is a horror crime thriller)

    They have technically passed on The Dark Tower (which is a sci-fi horror western), but that was because the original plan was absolutely stupid. It was going to be 3 movies done by Warner (they are the ones who passed on it), with a single HBO season in between each movie. I still have the faint hope that HBO will pick it up just as a tv series with none of that movie nonsense.

    Also, as for mini-series’, there is one coming up at some point soon:
    Masters of the Air (it goes along with Band of Brothers and The Pacific)
    and they are also developing one called Wolf Hall (which is a medieval series that happens at the same time as the Starz series The Tudors)

  104. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,
    *Showtime series The Tudors. My bad :P

  105. Arthur
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Cool…

    Monster is also an anime that was based off a manga. That would be a HUGE step forward if HBO starts mining the vast original material out there, unknown by most Americans, that Japanese media entertainment has created in the form of Manga/Anime.

    But why Monster? Geez, at least pick a good and original one. Monster is another WWII series…

    “Ergo Proxy” (the original Blade Runner) would be a breakthrough series. Everyone I let borrow that anime loved it…

    “Claymore” (the original Underworld) would be amazing, again everyone who watched it up to when you meet Teresa was hooked.

    I wish I had a billion dollars so I could commission people like D&D to adapt these to TV… *Dreams*

  106. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I can’t really comment on Monster as I have never read or seen it (although I do plan to at some point. I am a very big manga fan), as far as western live action adaptions of manga/anime is concerned, I would like them to pick something mature or dark, such as Death Note, Code Geass (although it is a little bit too heavy on the mechs to be feasible) or Fullmetal Achecmist. Although, based on what I know of it, Monster does sound like it could work. And based on what I know of it (although I am yet to read it), Hellsing could also be an option.

  107. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: Where has HBO been when it comes to the miniseries arena? Last one I remember them doing was “The Pacific” produced by Tom Hanks or something.

    Good question. It’s a format that has strengths and weaknesses. You have to spend almost as much to promote a mini-series as an ongoing series, for only a few weeks’ worth of programming. Generation Kill was an award-winning HBO miniseries several years ago, based upon a series of articles on the Iraq invasion. It was terrific. Mildred Pierce (2011) was a five-hour HBO miniseries starring Kate Winslet. It didn’t do well in the ratings department.

    Those are just the first two that came to mind.

    Edit to add: HBO has also invested in a documentary section, comedy specials, and one-shot star vehicles like Hemingway and Gelhorn and the Julianne Moore Sarah Palin movie, Game Change.

  108. DH87
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Thanks, I wasn’t aware of most of these. I don’t see Wichita on your list—I assumed Alan Ball was pitching it to HBO, since Cinemax took Banshee.

    And of course there is the new GRRM production/option deal for further down the road. HBO likes to do business with the same folks over and over.

  109. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 7, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Lots of good points and agreed that we’re going to have to think of it in terms of character arcs from now on. What are the logical stopping points?

    Jon — Season 4 would seem to be the arrival of Stannis, the battle at the Wall. Season 5 encompasses his rise to Lord Commander and eventual fall at the end of DwD – unless that comes in Season 6. Making the deal with Stannis, killing Janos, et al — Season 5 would be a real meaty season for him.
    Cersei — Seems like Season 5 positions as a big season for her as well given the political machinations that play out, and they’ll have to invent lots of material for her and Margaery for Season 4 with Tywin still alive.
    Brienne – Arguably her arc in AFfC will begin in Season 4 — once Sansa is out of the city, she’ll be sent to find her.
    Bran — Agreed with you. He could be headed far north of the wall, but again, it leaves you questioning what the stopping points are.
    Sam — The quest to go to Oldtown won’t come until Jon becomes Lord Commander, one would think, so that’s Season 5. If they’re smart (and they are about these kinds of pairings), the encounter with Arya in Braavos will be extended.

    Dany – Figure most of next season gets her to Meereen, and she then abandons the city late in Season 5. Still, that’s a lot to have to stretch out into two seasons.
    Tyrion – Obviously Season 4 becomes a big one, and Season 5 brings us into the orbit of Jon Connington and “Griff” for the first time.
    Varys - Would be expected to disappear for most of Season 5.
    Stannis – It does really seem like his arc this season is a lot of groundwork for future seasons. He was hugely important in Season 2, he diminishes a bit this year so far, and Seasons 4-5 will be big ones for him, and from what glimpses we’ve seen, Season 6 will be pretty big too.
    Cat — We’ll see. You’d expect less in Season 4…
    Arya — Can you stretch several episodes of wandering around with The Hound into most of Season 4′s arc? You’d have to structure it so that the Hound’s disappearance is far enough ahead of where Brienne is so that Brienne can encounter the Quiet Isle (one of the few important parts of that story amid all the damned wandering). And I still can’t help but think Arya, as you said, boards a ship for Braavos at the end of the 4th season.
    Hodor – Hodor.

  110. Clob
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Well, since I’m seeing posts about HBO doing additional syfy/fantasy series…
    For starters, I’m a Gaiman fan/reader and have a level of excitement for American Gods. However, when it comes to wanting to see novels adapted to screen I have to give my number one choice to the works of Dan Simmons. I’d be ecstatic for either the Hyperion Cantos or the Ilium/Olympos series. Following right behind those would be Wheel of Time. Each of those are probably looked at in the same way as ASoIaF in that they may seem impossible to do on screen. If GoT is proving nothing else, it is showing that an adaption of a book series this massive and in-depth can be done, and done well. These are series that aren’t filled with adult material so they could be done by network or basic cable channels, but I just don’t trust any of those anymore to do a good job and/or not cancel them prematurely because the series is losing to Jerking Off with the Stars.

  111. Croccifixio
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    i really do hope that GOT will open the door to other mature/ adult-oriented series. but looking at it now, it would be hard to adapt other series like Wheel of Time or Malazan Book of the Fallen because the magic in those really need bigger budget. What made ASOIAF easier than those to adapt is its magic is low-key.

    But i do want WOT to be adapted, and i for one will be okay if they cut off chunks of it that are mostly fillers and compressed it as long as the 3 Taveren are the main characters. I don’t have much hope for MBOTF, it is much much more difficult, Moons Spawn alone will be expensive.

    And to those unsullied who have high hopes of what will happen to the characters especially the starks, i have one word in mind.

    HEH

  112. telobsidion
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    You know, the actual number isn’t what’s important. Obsessing over the number isn’t important. But look at the long term trend. That is something real, and that is something worth caring about.

  113. unrobb
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    Jacob_M,

    I know that feel bro. The worst part is I read the books so long ago, now all my friends/gf who watched the show have all read more recently and remember more things than I do. -_-

    (And no, I don’t reread books. Ever.)

  114. Dogmayor
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    You do realize that simply listing those names is a spoiler?

  115. Lord Selwyn
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I think we have to stop considering the future seasons in terms of whole books, and start focusing on the individual storylines instead. There are so many, they are advancing at different speeds and some have more ground to cover than others.

    This is exactly what D&D have been saying themselves since well before this season went to air. They’ve pointed out that as from Season 3, they have moved away from a ‘book per season’ approach, and are concentrating on telling the overall story in a way that works best for TV. This means moving some things around and showing things out of the order in which they appear in the books, which we have already seen such as with the Ramsay/Theon scenes. As you say, some storylines move faster and have more ground to cover than others, and there are also those story arcs e.g. Bran, that can move largely independently from most others.

  116. oracle86
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Ser Tahu,

    “Ergo Proxy” (the original Blade Runner) would be a breakthrough series. Everyone I let borrow that anime loved it…

    WHAT????

    Blade Runner released in 1982 and is loosely based on the Philip K Dick SF novel “Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep”? which was published in 1968.

    Ergo Proxy started in 2006.

    So who inspired who?

  117. Joan Català
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 5:35 am | Permalink

    Villane,

    In an interview David&Dan did about the Blackwater Battle episode. They commented on how they are gonna beg HBO for more budget for another big battle episode (I believe they say, bigger in scope than Blackwater) but that it wouldn’t come until the end of season 4.

    That makes me think it will be in Episode 9 since it’s the big episode of each season, though in my opinion I think Jon’s storyline in S4 should end with his election as Lord Commander, in which case Stannis should arrive no later than episode 7.

  118. sunspear
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Parade’s End was another miniseries they premiered a few months ago.

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    I figure that for Dany, Season 4 will end with her locking up her dragons, Season 5 will end with her getting married, and Season 6 will end with the aftermath of the battle of Meereen from TWOW.

  119. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Hopefully they spend the best part of three seasons on AFfC + ADwD to better cover the material and give GRRM more time to finish the books. My prediction is:
    season 4: the road to Meereen, with Daenerys only in every other episode at the start of the season, episode 7 = Jorah/Barristan Betrayal, episode 8 = sack of Meereen, episode 9 = absent (I think the episode will mostly be the siege of the Wall and Oberyn vs Gregor), episode 10 = Daenerys entering Meereen and deciding to rule there.
    season 5: starts with Daenerys banishing Jorah. mostly features the shadow war against the sons of the Harpy, ends with Daenerys locking up the dragons. in episode 10 Tyrion is kidnapped by Jorah
    season 6: Daenerys tries to build a more stable Meereen, but the forces of Yunkai are approaching, and later besiege the city. Ends with Daenerys marrying Hizdahr.
    season 7: Daenerys in the fighting pit happens early in the season. I have a feeling that chronologically, Daenerys’ first few chapters in TWoW will happen before the battle of Meereen, and she will return to Meereen either late in the battle or just after the battle. assuming that theory is correct, the middle of the season will be her with the dothraki, and after an absence of an episode or two the season will end with her return to Meereen. The battle for Meereen will be anywhere between episode 7-9.
    After that: my theory for he books: since it is a given that Meereen defeats Yunkai (it is very clear based on the chapters GRRM has released), Daenerys’ enemies are defeated. Since her sole reason for lingering in Meereen so long was because her ‘children’ would be killed if she left, with her enemies gone and Victarion’s fleet available, she has no more reason to stay. So I believe that after maybe an episode or two to wrap up the Meereen storyline at either the end of season 7 or the start of season 8, Daenerys will finally be on her way to Westeros

  120. kyle
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Hopefully they ignore your advice, otherwise this series is doomed.

  121. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    kyle,

    I’m guessing you’re one of the people who only values massive battles, and believes that AFfC + ADwD will only take one season?

    Also, the series is doomed if they catch up to GRRM.

  122. Kyle
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    It’s not a matter of if, but when the series passes GRRM.

    The show runners already know the fates of all the main characters and will need to do some major surgery on AFFC/ADWD because in the real world, HBO executives aren’t going to sign off on 10-11 seasons of GoT.

  123. Hassan Madkour
    Posted May 8, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    I’d like to add, to answer the person asking about international ratigs, that they don’t matter at all.

    Here in Egypt, we don’t have HBO, yet in my group of people I can state around 50 names of people who watch the show. Yes, we either pirate it or share an HBO Go account when possible, but we’d all get HBO in a split second if it was available here, and we do watch it on OSN when it is available.

    I can tell you that I am the only person I know who was watching from season 1. last year we were two to watch season 2 and in between the seasons our number became in the fifties. So the show is gaining popularity and everyone is hoping that the cast come here to film Meereen in the Pyramids.

  124. t_s_billy
    Posted May 9, 2013 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: By that logic, they can produce an infinite number of episodes per year…

    “If they can produce 12, they can produce 14.”

    “If they can produce 14, they can produce 16.”

    Your logic is faulty and resides on a slippery slope.

    I usually eat four slices of pizza, but I could possibly eat five or six (given delicious pizza, lack of lunch, etc). This does not mean I can eat 8 or 10 or 12.

    I think a 2 hour season premiere/season finale would be awesome, and possible. Or alternatively, a 12-episode season.

    Please stop using Moose Logic to support your opinion.

  125. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 9, 2013 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    t_s_billy,

    Actually, your logic is faulty. You say:

    “I usually eat four slices of pizza, but I could possibly eat five or six (given delicious pizza, lack of lunch, etc)”

    But in this analogy, D&D have made it quite clear that they are already eating six slices. From what we’ve heard of them, they’re going all out to make 10 episodes. The assumption that they could easily make 2 more is founded on nothing other than optimism.

  126. DH87
    Posted May 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    For anyone who was interested in my point about basic cable upping its game to compete in an a la carte carrier/provider world, note that today U.S. Sen. John McCain introduced legislation to force networks and content providers to offer a la carte purchasing.

    http://www.deadline.com/2013/05/john-mccain-cable-legislation-a-la-carte/#more-493876

    This could not only offer relief to those potential subscribers who only want 10 or 15, not 200, channels, but it could also be a windfall for premium channels like HBO. Subscribers no longer forced to pay $75-100 per month for children’s, sports, MTV-type, or other off-interest programming, via bundling, may then have extra money in their pockets to put toward premium channel subscription.


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