Episode 27 – The Bear and the Maiden Fair – Newbie Recap
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Brienne and the bear

Our resident newbie Oz of Thrones gives his thoughts and personal awards on last night’s episode. Check it out, after the break!

Spoiler note: The discussion in this post is primarily for non-book readers (book fans can discuss the show here). We ask all the series veterans to refrain from posting spoilers in the comments here, veiled or otherwise. This show is best viewed without knowing all the surprises beforehand, so please be respectful of your fellow fans. Thank you!

Oz of Thrones: Glad tidings from the inhabitants of House Oz, and Happy Belated Mother’s Day to all the WiC reading moms. Hope you all had a wonderful day and were able to spend it with friends and family, and it end it with a fantastic episode of GoT. I thought it was quite fitting that Talisa was depicted writing her mother a letter in this episode, and fathers everywhere were delighted that she did so with her naked buttocks in the air. Ozzette was treated to breakfast, fine gifts from her favorite cosmetic retail store, a few flowers from Highgarden, and a card I authored while wearing clothing, unlike Talisa. Oh, and she got to see Robb’s ass too.

Shall we start with the end? The final few minutes was “edge of the seat” type stuff. As regular viewers of GoT are well aware, the end can come for any character at any given time. This looked like it for Brienne. Jaime leaves with Bolton’s men headed to King’s Landing while Brienne is left to fend for herself with Locke and the boys. When Locke says to Jaime on his way out that he will take good care of her, it apparently weighs heavy on his mind and he is able to coerce Bolton’s men to go back to Harrenhall. He gets back as our lady of Tarth is getting the business from a big ass bear in a pit and jumps in to save her. Jaime manages to get her out and barely escapes having a foot torn off to match his hand. A confrontation with Locke follows, and as Bolton’s men have orders to get Jaime to King’s Landing, Jaime is allowed to leave again, only this time with Brienne in tow.

This scene was arguably the most intense of the season. When the bear punched Brienne right before Jaime arrived, I thought it was over, and Ozzette had to turn away. How the world of GoT turns…… when we started this series, the Kingslayer was not presented as someone who would be a likeable character. And now, we are rooting for him? A possible fan favorite of Season 3? Weird. Either way, the maiden fair was saved, thanks to this years’ unlikely hero, Jaime Lannister.

South of The Wall: Apparently it is much easier to climb down the Wall than it is going up. Interesting dialogue between Jon, Ygritte, Orell and Tormund as they begin their trek to Castle Black. When Jon says condescendingly to Ygritte, “You’re going to light the biggest fire the north has ever seen to let them know you’re coming” we get the well-known “You know nothing Jon Snow” quote from Ygritte again, as if to say that he has no idea what Mance has in store for the Crows. Later, Jon essentially tells Ygritte that they have no chance against the Night’s Watch. I have been thinking the same thing….. how can a small group of Wildlings defeat the many trained Crows? I realize the Watch is in some disarray, so this is probably the right time to strike. And we can now assume that Mance has some kind of elaborate plan in place. Or does he?

And Orell has a thing for Ygritte…… the dislike for Jon Snow seems to make more sense now.

On a side note, does anyone know where you can enroll for Professor Giantsbane’s sex education class? Tormund teaching Jon about being with a woman was quite amusing.

Gendry and Red: Melisandre finally reveals to Gendry who he is while sailing past the castle at King’s Landing. So, what exactly does she need from him? Blood? Sex for another shadow baby? And how in the hell will Stannis react?

Arya: Our favorite little warrior goes off on Beric Dondarrion about letting Gendry go, and then escapes into the woods for about ten seconds. She is then captured by the Hound who, oddly enough, hasn’t made it very far after being set free by the Brotherhood without Banners. My question here is, what does Clegane want with Arya? It seems like she would be more of a pain in his ass than anything.

The Daddy in the North: While waiting for the rain to let up, Robb finds out from Talisa that he will be a father. The group is on their way to the Frey’s for the wedding of the Frey daughter and Edmure, and Catelyn is concerned that the hold-up from the weather will put the arrangement with Walder Frey in jeopardy. Is she right? And what is Robb going to do when he finds out that James Bond Bolton has allowed Jaime to continue on to King’s Landing? Isn’t that betrayal? Didn’t Karstark lose his head over betrayal?

It’s not so bad, Sansa: Margaery tries to comfort Sansa about her upcoming marriage to Tyrion, and the understood intimacy that comes along with it, and suggests that the dwarf might be good at pleasing her. Awkward. This leads us to Tyrion, and Bronn (the subject of last weeks’ Raven Search Party). Good to see Tyrion’s most effective counselor back. Later, Tyrion and Shae discuss the marriage and she suggests they leave. Tyrion declines, and Shae leaves. Something tells me this Three’s Company idea is not going to work out for the half-man.

Grandson and Grandfather: We finally get a face to face meeting with the King and the Hand of the King, who doesn’t seem the least bit concerned about Dragons in the east. Joffrey wants to be included in the dealings of the small council, and looks to be scared as hell of Paw Paw Tywin. I thought at the beginning of the season that we may see a showdown between these two as Joffrey does not like to be told what to do by anyone. But the sadistic King seemed terrified by the Hand. Still, I get the feeling that this is not over and eventually Joffrey will do something to show that he is still in charge. Not Paw Paw.

And Finally, Dany…. What Are You Doing? I appreciate the fact that Dany wants to save the world from slavery. But come on sister. Making the slave leader from Yunkai (Razdal mo Eraz?) walk through the Unsullied on approach to meet with Dany was quite intimidating. And then to top that off, we get dragons on a couch?? Outstanding. Come on in Razdal. Have a seat. Make yourself at home. Can we get you something to drink? Classic stuff.

On a serious note, Razdal offers the ships that Dany needs. My opinion would be to load up the ships and take off. But Dany didn’t ask Lord Oz, so we are apparently going to hang out on the outskirts of Yunkai and wait for her to issue her version of an emancipation proclamation. Don’t misunderstand, I am all for the freeing of slaves everywhere. But wouldn’t it make more sense to get to Westeros with your entire army intact, conquer there, and then come back to take care of Yunkai business later? And then there is the powerful friends issue. Trouble is being brewed.

Oh, did you want your gold back? Nah….. you keep it.

Episode 307 Personal Awards
Favorite Scene: Brienne and the bear was quite intense as mentioned above, but I have to go with Dragons On a Couch.
Favorite Quote: “Oh, you mean right foot left foot right foot left foot right foot. You have trouble remembering that?” -Ygritte to Jon Snow, and the “Wet shit” quote from the Blackfish both made me chuckle quite a bit. OH… and the “Hodor” quote with pause for dramatic effect may have been the best ever!
Ow, That Shit Hurts Award: Did I not mention Theon above? Well that would be because he got tortured again, only this time our “Boy” put him in a scene from “Two Nurses and a Patient” porn movie, only to have his manhood taken off. Thank you GRRM and D&D for not showing it. Men everywhere slept better because of it.

Final Thoughts: Overall, I loved the episode. It was very well written, as was expected, and I am hoping we get more King and Paw Paw interaction soon (the preview looked awesome).

That being said, there are only three more episodes and it seems there are a LOT of loose ends to tie up. Presently, the irons in the fire include: four weddings and presumably some funerals, Dany and the Yunkai emancipation, Gendry and whatever the Red Woman does to him, the beating of the dead kracken mystery (Theon), the Odd Couple headed to KL again, Bran and Co. headed to the wall, Arya and her mean puppy, Fifty Shades of Jon and Ygritte, and the attack on the Wall just to name a few.

Of course, I don’t expect all of these story lines to be concluded by the end of the season. But I would like a few answers before we have to wait another nine and a half months.

That’s it for the Newbie Recap of Ep. 27! Remember, we are the Unsullied non-book readers here. NO SPOILERY IN THE COMMENTARY! If it involves the books, just don’t mention it.

A man will be traveling with Ozzette on Thursday for our annual 4 day trip with no Ozlings, where we will be enjoying music and plentiful amounts of adult beverages. I will try to crank out a Looking Forward Ep. 28 on Friday from our camp, should time allow and I am not acting like a drunk 20 year old.

Have a great week, and may there peace in your realm. -Oz


124 Comments

  1. WompWomp
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Hodor! Let the festivities begin. :)

    Dumbfounded Hodor is my favorite Hodor yet.

  2. M
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    The Rains of Castamere over the end credits gave me chills, and frankly, Bran either needs to piss or get off the pot. He has made so little progress this season he may as well wind up back in Winterfell.

  3. ACatLover
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Four weddings? I only count three possible ones…

  4. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    This is what I remember:
    1. Joffrey/ Margaery
    2. Tyrion/ Sansa
    3. Loras/ Cersei
    4. Edmure/ Frey Daughter

  5. arolig
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Don’t misunderstand, I am all for the freeing of slaves everywhere. But wouldn’t it make more sense to get to Westeros with your entire army intact, conquer there, and then come back to take care of Yunkai business later? And then there is the powerful friends issue. Trouble is being brewed.

    Discussions like these are what makes the series tick, is it not? :)

  6. M
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    ACatLover:
    Four weddings?I only count three possible ones…

    1) Loras and Cersei
    2) Tyrion and Sansa
    3) Edmure and Roslin Frey
    4) Margie and Joff

  7. Werd
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Anyone else think the Theon scene was like maybe the worst thing the show has ever done? The Atlantic’s people all agree at least… http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/05/-i-game-of-thrones-i-worst-scene-yet/275772/

  8. ACatLover
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones:
    ACatLover,

    This is what I remember:
    1. Joffrey/ Margaery
    2. Tyrion/ Sansa
    3. Loras/ Cersei
    4. Edmure/ Frey Daughter

    Thank you! For some reason, I’d forgotten about Joffrey/Margaery with all the excitement over the last few episodes…

  9. Kindly Man
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    Joffrey-Margaery
    Loras-Cersei
    Tyrion-Sansa
    Edumure-Frey daughter

  10. AA
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    5. Littlefinger and Lysa

  11. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    No prob! Easy to do with the three others supposedly happening before Joffrey/Margaery.

  12. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    AA:
    Oz of Thrones,

    5. Littlefinger and Lysa

    Ah… damn right. How could I forget good ol’ Lysa? I’ve been wanting to see her since she was mentioned. Apologies to all.

  13. Nick
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Loved the episode. Especially the couch scene. It was great.
    Having said that… don’t you think that Dany’s evolution into a fighting abolitionist is a bit psychologically improbable?

    She’s from a house that had supported slavery in Westeros, lived among slaves all her life and her dearly beloved husband also owned and subdued people into slavery. And now all of a sudden she decides to postpone her fight for the iron throne in order to storm some city for the sake of freeing the slaves over there? Not that I’m against it, but shouldn’t thoughts of changing the whole social order of some place come as a result of some kind of personal experiences or reading books at least?

  14. Bob
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    On a serious note, Razdal offers the ships that Dany needs. My opinion would be to load up the ships and take off.

    She currently has ~8,000 infantry in her army. Even if they are the best trained infantry in the world, she has 0 cavalry and 0 archers and only 8,000 men. The dragons are still too small to be much help. I don’t think she could take a well garrisoned fort, much less King’s Landing. She either needs building sized dragons, a WAY bigger army, or both before she is ready to make a real go at reclaiming Westeros.

  15. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Bob,

    True. The main point was that I don’t think she can afford to lose any of her army for the sake of saving some slaves at this time. We can both agree that she needs everything that she has.

  16. JP Johnson
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Nick:
    Loved the episode. Especially the couch scene. It was great.
    Having said that… don’t you think that Dany’s evolution into a fighting abolitionist is a bit psychologically improbable?

    She’s from a house that had supported slavery in Westeros, lived among slaves all her life and her dearly beloved husband also owned and subdued people into slavery. And now all of a sudden she decides to postpone her fight for the iron throne in order to storm some city for the sake of freeing the slaves over there? Not that I’m against it, but shouldn’t thoughts of changing the whole social order of some place come as a result of some kind of personal experiences or reading books at least?

    I’ll admit to having trouble separating my book and tv version of Dany, but to my understanding she saw herself as a slave at first. Being bought and sold by her brother and her husband to be. Sure that worked out for her, as well as it could, but since then she has always been empathetic to those who are chained. We saw it season 1 when she ordered the Dothraki to leave the slaves alone.

  17. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    My favorite part of your favorite scene: Drogon purring.

    That was just a touch of genius.

  18. Mustangjeff
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Werd:
    Anyone else think the Theon scene was like maybe the worst thing the show has ever done? The Atlantic’s people all agree at least… http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/05/-i-game-of-thrones-i-worst-scene-yet/275772/

    Seems like they are complaining about David Benioff & D. B. Weiss taking liberties with the source material. Did someone forget to clue them in that GRRM actually wrote this episode?

  19. Shock Me Sane
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    But presumably if she can take Yunkai she will get the gold and the ships anyways. Maybe she plans on enlisting some of the freed slaves (though I don’t know how useful pleasure slaves would be in combat, I can’t imagine all 200k are pleasure slaves) or using the cities wealth to buy a mercenary army as Barristan suggested?

    Most medieval-era armies were largely comprised of conscripted peasants armed with spears and little armor or training. Obviously Unsullied would be far superior, as they are more representative of Roman legionaries. How great they would be at siege tactics or against heavy cavalry is a different question. Based on how ruined Harrenhall is, obviously the dragons will one day be Dany’s greatest siege weapons but I don’t think they are nearly large enough to inflict that kind of damage yet.

  20. Hawk
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Mustangjeff,

    yes, GRRM wrote the episode…D&D, however, concocted the story arc for Theon that GRRM participated in writing about…

    D&D make the decisions about what does or does not appear on screen in the TV show, and the direction of the narrative, not GRRM…

  21. Rillion
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Nick,

    I does come from personal experience. She was sold by her brother to Drogo, who then proceeded to have nonconsensual activity with her on her wedding night. I think she might have a bit of empathy for slaves.

  22. Mustangjeff
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Hawk:
    Mustangjeff,

    yes, GRRM wrote the episode…D&D, however, concocted the story arc for Theon that GRRM participated in writing about…

    D&D make the decisions about what does or does not appear on screen in the TV show, and the direction of the narrative, not GRRM…

    Not sure I buy the idea that GRRM is some lackey just does what he is told. I highly doubt he wrote the Theon part the way it was portrayed because he had to. He could have done the whole thing off camera if he had wanted to.

    He’s an executive producer, and it’s his source material. I would imagine has a say if there was something he strongly disagreed with.

  23. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Shock Me Sane,

    This is true also. And the dragons are not big enough yet I assume as Dany mentions in Season 3, Ep. 1. My concern are the losses to the army she may incur from this self-imposed mission. It remains to be seen if the powerful friends are indeed, powerful.

  24. Hawk
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Mustangjeff,

    Buy what you like, or don’t…D&D make the show decisions, and GRRM has said this himself many a time…he signed away the rights to his work when he contracted to HBO, and D&D can take it wherever they want to take it…having the Theon scenes this season, the amount of them, and the content of them, is entirely decided by D&D…

  25. DevoutBeaver
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    True as hell. And I will be really disappointed if she somehow manages to conquer the city with only 8.000 unsullied and three small dragons. 200 000 slavers might cause terrible loses in her army, beside the city seems to be well fortified.

    Looks like Tywin does not miss his point while telling that dragons are not a concern.

  26. Jimbo
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Mustangjeff,

    If you are going to make a comment like that, at least read the article.

  27. Anterograde
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    I am still really tired of Theon’s scenes. This week’s version at least scored some points by forcing my face into a prolonged grimace waiting for the hammer to drop.

    Over and over, I just kept hearing “If you think this has a happy ending…”

    I was actually imagining a much more gruesome fate for Theon’s legendary member…at first I was fearful that it would receive the same treatment as his pinky from last week…then when “Boy” whistled, I was half-expecting something with gnashing teeth to come around the corner…

  28. Unbesmirched
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    I wish Jon and Bran could meet. They seem palpably close to each other, but the terrain indicates they are yet some distance away (Bran’s hanging out by bare bluffs, Jon’s in a forested area). That way Osha could hook up with the wildlings too, and maybe Hodor could meet a half-giant woman.

    My two favourite scenes: Daenerys meets a nervous slaver (dragons! Squee!), and Melisandre and Gendry on the boat sailing to Dragonstone. I like how the two of them interact – they come from such different worlds. And I loved seeing the sunken ships.

    I also didn’t mind naked Robb.

    I’m curious about the hound snatching Arya. He left like 3 episodes ago, almost. Has he been lurking around since then, waiting for an opportunity? I guess she is a high value target, but where would he take her? Robb isn’t at Riverrun any more.

  29. Dan Spicer
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    My wife got up and left the room once “Boy” pulled out the knife and it became obvious what he was going to do with it. She said, “I don’t need to see this, why do they need to be so graphic?” I was kind enough to hit pause on the DVR (we watch on a 15 minute delay) until she came back… She has gotten a bit antsy with Theon’s arc this last couple of weeks, and has been pounding me with, “who is he (boy) supposed to be? why does he keep effing with him? I don’t get it.”

  30. Impi
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Those arguing that D&D are forcing the Theon torture story line are probably the same people who argued that D&D “turned” Renly gay for the show.

    D&D certainly did not invent the Theon storyline and force GRRM to add to it.

    That said, those arguments are best moved to a different forum.

    Thanks Oz, as always, I enjoy reading your reactions to the show each week.

  31. Vid
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    Sansa/Tyrion
    Cersei/Loras
    Edmure/Roslyn
    Joffrey/Margery

  32. greg
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    I think the Watch has to be able to get to the top of the wall so there are probably ladders or stairs throughout the south side, even if they are in disrepair because of lack of use over the years, it would make it easier to get down. And I know they talked about a lot of abandoned castles on the wall, with the Watch only inhabiting three currently

  33. Thomas
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Nick:
    Loved the episode. Especially the couch scene. It was great.
    Having said that… don’t you think that Dany’s evolution into a fighting abolitionist is a bit psychologically improbable?

    She’s from a house that had supported slavery in Westeros, lived among slaves all her life and her dearly beloved husband also owned and subdued people into slavery. And now all of a sudden she decides to postpone her fight for the iron throne in order to storm some city for the sake of freeing the slaves over there? Not that I’m against it, but shouldn’t thoughts of changing the whole social order of some place come as a result of some kind of personal experiences or reading books at least?

    There is no slavery in Westeros. The elite have servants and are pampered, but it’s not slavery. Remember, that is the reason Ser Jorah has gone into exile – he was dealing slaves which is forbidden under the laws of the kingdom. Also, Dany knows what is like to be bought and sold… her brother sold her to Khal Drogo for an army and while it worked out for a bit, she didn’t seem to be too pleased early on.

  34. Bean
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Impi,

    It’s not the story, it’s the horrible directing combined with a pretty weak and confusing concept.

  35. Richard
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones: Later, Jon essentially tells Ygritte that they have no chance against the Night’s Watch. I have been thinking the same thing….. how can a small group of Wildlings defeat the many trained Crows? I realize the Watch is in some disarray, so this is probably the right time to strike. And we can now assume that Mance has some kind of elaborate plan in place. Or does he?

    Maybe I’m in the wrong, but I thought Jon was talking about the entirety of the Seven Kingdoms, not just the Night’s Watch/ Castle Black…. as in The Wildings vs. Black Watch/Starks/Greyjoys/Lannisters/Karstarks/Boltons, etc.. I think they could take Castle Black by sheer numbers alone (as long as the gates are open to them) and that’s if Jon Snow actually goes through in helping them obtain it, but I don’t think the Wildings realize how big the world is beyond their side of The Wall, 99% of them have never been and are solely trusting in Mance.

  36. Richard
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I think it makes perfect sense that Dany has become a slave liberator … not only does it soothe her mind & soul, but it rallies people to her of their own free will, gaining support and more people to her army. And the more the better. She’s young, she has the time to get to the Throne and needs to wait to get her dragons to where they have “carriage sized” skulls before approaching Westeros anyway.

  37. Nick
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Thomas,

    It’s true she was sold to Drogo, but she accepted it and came to love him quite easily if you ask me (but not judging anyone). There are no slaves in Westeros but house Tangerian accepted slavery. But ok, it’s not such a big deal anyway. Thz for the answers everyone!

  38. Mustangjeff
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Jimbo:
    Mustangjeff,

    If you are going to make a comment like that, at least read the article.

    I read the article just fine. Do you need me to copy/paste quote from it?

    My point is that even if GRRM has virtually no creative input as to the direction of the show is going (which I don’t buy), he didn’t HAVE to write that scene as it was shown. The article talks about it being the worst scene yet, and blames Benioff and Weiss. GRRM wrote the episode, and IMO he could have made changes with how the scene was shown if he had strong issues with Theons arc.

    I’m a non book reader. I have no idea how this is all going to play out. If someone else (especially Benioff and Weiss) had written the episode, I could see book readers having an issue. But that’s their problem. I can only assume that the Theon scene was shown as GRRM wanted since he wrote this episode. That is something the article fails to point out.

    I’m not here to argue the pros and cons of the scene. As I said, I’m a non book reader and therefor do not have a point of reference as to how this was handled in the books. My point is the the article rips on Benioff and Weiss for the changes in Theons arc and this scene in particular. I think they should have mentioned GRRM wrote the episode, and giving him some of the blame if they truly hated it.

  39. Turncloak
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    I count 5 weddings
    1) Tyrion/Sansa
    2) Loras/Cersei
    3) Joffrey/Marg
    4) Edmure/Frey Daughter
    5) Littelfinger/Lysa

  40. superkick
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Nick: Loved the episode. Especially the couch scene. It was great.
    Having said that… don’t you think that Dany’s evolution into a fighting abolitionist is a bit psychologically improbable?

    She’s from a house that had supported slavery in Westeros, lived among slaves all her life and her dearly beloved husband also owned and subdued people into slavery. And now all of a sudden she decides to postpone her fight for the iron throne in order to storm some city for the sake of freeing the slaves over there? Not that I’m against it, but shouldn’t thoughts of changing the whole social order of some place come as a result of some kind of personal experiences or reading books at least?

    You mean the personal experience of say..being sold and whored out by her brother to a horde of savages?

  41. voiceareason
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Werd,

    They exaggerate a huge deal about the torture. Its literally only been 3 scenes, only one of which was actually explicit.

    It seems like their far more concerned with the show being different from the books. You’d thing tv critics would be able to separate the source material from the show.

  42. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    So, is the common issue here with Theon’s arc as a whole, or the extended period of time he has been in a torture situation this season, or the injected sex scene in the most recent episode?

    Ozzette is just over the whole thing. I want to believe there will be a big payoff with the reveal and how it is all connected to the past. But, I may just be wishful thinking.

  43. Hawk
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Most of the negative comments, from both book readers and non-book readers, appear to focus on how much time D&D have spent on the torture situation this season…basically, too many scenes covering too many episodes taking up too much screen time…

    D&D really should have followed a less-is-more policy in this aspect of the storyline…at least, after 2.5 season of driving a wedge between the book fans and the TV show fans, they have managed to give them something to find common ground on, so we should not lose sight of that…

  44. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Things I know as a book reader that the Unsullied Can Know:

    1. Ned Stark is dead.
    2. Hot Pie is not dead. Hot Pie is baking bread.
    3. Tormund Giantsbane’s sex ed class would be great fun, but probably not useful any more to Theon Greyjoy.

    Questions I still have:
    1. Is there some kind of discount wedding planner if you do 5 Westerosi weddings in the same place at the same time?
    2. Was Joff really wrong about the dragons? And shouldn’t he, as king, be counseled? I mean, he sucks, but he wasn’t wrong.
    3. Does anyone think the Theon scenes would work better if they’d all been compressed into 3 episodes? I get the point to some extent – they were trying to show how his reactions change; he doesn’t take the women as a good sign, but as a bad omen for whatever can invariably come next. Still, we could have trimmed some of this.

  45. M
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    I think the issue is with the fact that the arc doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Unsullied still don’t know who the Boy is or where Theon is and it doesn’t seem like any answers are forthcoming. It’s frustrating knowing the answers – as well-acted and painful as the scenes are to watch you just want to yell ‘It’s [redacted] for God’s sake, now get on with it!’ It’s like the show knows it has two incredibly actors and they want to give them as many intense, hard-to-stomach scenes as they can.

  46. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I am not unsullied, but I get the distinct feeling that the only people that state this was one of the worst episodes, are book readers like me.
    Those friends of mine that are unsullied, were really shocked to find Briene in a bear pit and what transpired. So the words worst or bad were never mentioned.

  47. Nikola S
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Favorite Quote for me in this episode, and possibly the entire series, is by far the scene with Daenerys:

    “The Yunkish are a proud people, they will not bend” – Barristan Selmy

    “What happens to things that wont bend…” – Daenerys

    Could she get more badass than that with a single sentence? =D

  48. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn,

    I don’t think it was one of the worst episodes by any means. It seems there was a strong build-up for book readers on the bear scene and it may have been somewhat of a let down compared to the book. I thought it was excellent, albeit a little short. But I am Unsullied, and I think we all found it quite intense.

  49. xavier
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    What do you think about the rumor that Talisa might be a spy??? In the second season, Tywin lannister seemed very well informed about the Stark’s intentions, receiving letter continously and Talisa is shown several times writting letters. She is also the only one from Volantis who doesn’t have a strange accent….

  50. Dana
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    xavier,

    Do you think so?????????? Thats a crazy accusation!

  51. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    xavier,

    I have not heard it, and I hope we are not getting into spoiler stuff. If so, off with your head Xavier. J/K.

    To be honest I haven’t thought about it, probably because there are 1,247 other story lines to follow right now. I did think that the speed in which Robb and Talisa got married was rushed. But I also keep in mind that time is not necessarily a continuum in the realm of GoT.

    But it would be a hell of a twist if it were true. Especially if she is with child.

  52. Stark
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Dana,

    Well, since Rob met her things had gone from wrong to worse… She seems to meddle at every moment, just when he tries to prepare a coherent strategy…

  53. Kalacakra
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    xavier,

    That’s exactly what i was thinking. A few episodes ago, Tywin was writting a letter while at his desk with Cersei. Could he be writting to her somehow? He might have planted her early on in the war to have her try to get close to Robb and report back. Maybe he’s got her family as hostages or something.
    On the other hand, her getting pregnant might throw my theory out the window, unless she’s taking her assignment really seriously!

  54. Skipjack
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Nick,

    What is your basis for saying House Targaryen accepted slavery? I don’t see where they did. Viserys, of course, told Jorah that there would be no such laws banning slavery when he would be king, but those laws obviously had been on the books while his family had ruled. Also, Viserys was slime and clearly meant to be thought of as a contrast to Dany.

  55. Turncloak
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    For those who enjoyed Jaime’s scene, here are the ending credit of the episode. The Rains of castamere instrumental
    http://youtu.be/pK4oQG5GUTg

  56. Dana
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    OKay i see all your points, Stark, Xavier and agree with you OZ.
    I hope this was not a spoiler.
    But it does make sense.

  57. Andy Gavin
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps nothing other than a good wedding is anticipated as much as the annual George R. Martin penned episode. And fitting that the bear himself should pen The Bear and the Maiden Fair. It’s a good episode, but it feels more stylistically disjointed than last weeks and less packed with turnabouts than episodes 24 and 25. But some of the relationships and performances continue to stand out: Jon and Ygritte (or really Ygritte), Tyrion and Shae, and Jaime and Brienne. They really could not have cast either of these last two better. As always, my detailed thoughts on the episode can be found on my blog.

  58. Barista Selmy
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Maybe next week we will see some Oonaboobage.

  59. here be dragons
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Nick,

    in the first season though, dany lost her her baby and husband at the hands of a woman forced into slavery, who was punishing those who had oppressed her. this would surely have had an impact on her personal experience with slavery and slaves.

  60. Dana
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Oz, I am a non-booker reader. Love your recaps. Can never get enough GoT.

    I loved this episode. I did not find it boring. I found very Status Quo, but not boring. However, everything they show us will mean something by episode 10.

    - Theon – sick of not knowing what is happening there – but I guess when we find out it will be a good one!!!! Theon must have done something horrible to deserve that fate from BOY. However BOY is one genius torturer. Death would be way better.

    - I feel bad for Sansa – And as for Arya, I think the Hound will help her. Do we agree? He wanted to help Sansa. I don’t see why he would not help Arya.

    - I hope Mel does not hurt Gendry. If i am not mistaken, a few episodes ago, Mel told Stannis before she left that she has to get rid of all other rightful heirs to the throne. I hope she doesnt kill gendry!? I like him.

    - Now you all got me thinking on Talisa. I was beginning to like her.

    - I love Dany.

    This season is slow moving, but very good. I feel like after episode 10, we will still have unanswered questions.

    Can’t wait for next week.

  61. michael. T
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    M:
    Oz of Thrones,

    I think the issue is with the fact that the arc doesn’t seem to be going anywhere. Unsullied still don’t know who the Boy is or where Theon is and it doesn’t seem like any answers are forthcoming. It’s frustrating knowing the answers – as well-acted and painful as the scenes are to watch you just want to yell ‘It’s [redacted] for God’s sake, now get on with it!’ It’s like the show knows it has two incredibly actors and they want to give them as many intense, hard-to-stomach scenes as they can.

    actually, the arc is absolutely integral to the entirety of the story as a whole. i know, i read the books

  62. michael. T
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack:
    Nick,

    What is your basis for saying House Targaryen accepted slavery?I don’t see where they did.Viserys, of course, told Jorah that there would be no such laws banning slavery when he would be king, but those laws obviously had been on the books while his family had ruled.Also, Viserys was slime and clearly meant to be thought of as a contrast to Dany.

    he must be a book reader. targs come from old valyria, and old valyria was an empire built on slaves and all the powerful families had slaves. targaryians were one of those families

  63. Hexonx
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Re: The Hound

    Remember the BwB took all his gold.

  64. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    It has been hinted that Targaryans and madness go hand in hand, similar to the powerful Roman Juliai family. Is it possible that the mother of Dragons could be starting to show signs of it in her fixation on slavery? Just a thought.

  65. Targaryen
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Oz,
    I agree with you, I don’t think Dany should try to free those slaves. And she cannot afford to lose any of her army. I thought she would take the gold and ships and be on her way. The 7 kingdoms is in disarray, and her army may not have to fight the Dornish, the Starks, The Tyrells, or the Baratheons. Some of them may even bow to her and join her conquest. She needs more alliances, not enemies. But who knows, maybe going back to Westeros isn’t for her, maybe she is content of ruling the other side of the continent.
    Wars are won through diplomacy, not the actual battles. Who cares if they have Calvary. She needs a few loyalist from her family and sack Kings Landing.

  66. Alisha
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    He did seem pretty annoyed by that…. and I’m sure Arya has a pretty nice bounty on her. I’m sure Joffrey (or maybe Grandpa) would reward him nicely. Lannisters paying their debts and all.

  67. Mister Stark
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    I think GRRM is a nerd and in so much is a TAD of a perv.
    Fly your freak flag high GRRM!
    But I think that is why, maybe there was a touch more of the ‘sexy’ in
    this episode.
    Plus, I think GRRM LOVES to torture his readers through his characters.
    Plus, I think GRRM LOVES the LONG game. He loves the slow build up.
    Patience is a virtue.
    Let this unfold like a budding flower.

  68. Joh
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    I loved the scenery in this episode. The bay of broken ships where the battle of Blackwater happened?

    That was a hell of a shot
    …the CGI keeps getting better.

    I really hope they do a “making of” feature for the next DVD that shows how they created the fantastic landscapes this season.

    Also, nice to have Bronn back. His “evil ideas are free!” conversation with Tyrion was great. He’s such a jerk, but an amusing and likable one.

  69. asfastasican
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been a fan of this site for a couple of years now, but I’ve never commented. I figured I’d post a comment and throw my two cents in today.

    I have my opinions about the show, the books and their creator as a hybrid fan of sorts. I’ve read the books alongside the show up until a certain point. I’ve decided that even though the books and the show are both excellent in their own rights, I’d much rather watch the show first. I found out by the end of season 2 that I actually enjoy watching the show more by watching the episodes first, as opposed to reading ahead (which I did several times.) Sure, it was fun to watch scenes like Yoren and his band of recruits facing off with the Lannister men, simply because I enjoyed contrasting the show’s scenes with what’s presented in the books. That sort of thing is fun, but it still doesn’t match up with the excitement I got from watching scenes like Jon climbing the wall without knowing what happened in the book.

    I could go on about what I think about particular events and conversation topics in no particular order. I could also write a small novel about why labeling non-book readers as “The Unsullied” is both childish and nonsensical, but maybe I’ll post again and save that for another thread. For now, I’m just going to share my opinion on this topic of this being coined as the worst episode.

    To make a long story short of my opinion on the whole topic on the purists defending GRRM and how the show is a travesty, I honestly believe that a number of the members of the Booksguard need to get a grip. GRRM LOVES the fact his books were made into a show and if you honestly think he finds any fault with D&D’s adaptation, you’re fooling yourself. He is grateful and he is humble for their work on the show. This show has greatly improved his books’ sales and he has said on many occasions that he trusts D&D and their decisions. GRRM has worked on TV shows before and he completely understand the process. GRRM probably has a good laugh at all of the purists on a regular basis, considering that they have no concept of what good editing is and have no grasp over creating the framework for a 52-60 minute-per-week episodic show. He also has publicly stated that he dislikes fanfiction and how fans try to perceive what his stories are or how the show should be. The books are his and his only.

    Now… with that being said…

    I enjoyed this episode, but I can entirely understand why a great variety of viewers would turn to this episode and claim that it is the weakest of the season. You may or may not fully understand what you don’t like about it, but I’m here to be a pompous jerk and tell you why. It was the dialogue and stage direction. Thank me in advance!

    Honestly, look back at each episode you loved this season and compare the spoken dialogue and the movement of the actors in this episode to the ones you loved. The dialogue was bland. It lacked that certain luster and energy you have come to know and love. Now guess where that luster came from? It came from writers that have had more recent experience writing TV scripts more recently.

    Now who wrote this episode? As mentioned above and in other parts of this site, GRRM did. Oh yeah, you say you didn’t like the bear scene on screen and that you preferred the book version? Ask yourself why that is. Was it your opinion that it was “a clumsy action-scene?” Or would you agree with me that lines like “Well, we must be on our way… sorry about the sapphires!” were like trashy mainstream TV one-liners? After hearing that, I honestly thought I was tuned into the wrong channel watching a rerun of CSI Miami and that Jaime was going to pull out his sunglasses and whip them on his face like David Caruso.

    Well guess who is in charge of those bits? The person who wrote the episode’s scripts. It doesn’t matter if your of the Booksguard or not. You can’t just blindly attack D&D with nonsense accusations and act like they were to blame for your “merely disappointing” episode that they did not write. The other episodes were superior not because “more stuff happened,” but because the other episodes were better written. Want a well-known example? Consider Star Wars – The Empire Strikes Back. Did you consider that movie as the worst in the series because “less stuff happened” in it?

    The TL:DR version? GRRM is rusty at writing TV show episodes and the script is to blame for this episode. I’m sure others will agree with me.

  70. DanBeresford
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Oz, as a member of the Sullied I am loath to post in your threads as I respect you Unsullied too much to ever risk accidentally spoiling something, however I feel the need to speak up regarding Tulisa – don’t worry, Xaviers theory wasn’t a book spoiler.

    In fact, we members of the Sullied are pretty much as much in the dark as the Unsullied are on the subject of Tulisa.

    On a different note, can we get some more love for Kristian Nairn and his scene stealing “………..Hodor?” this episode? I genuinely laughed out loud.

    Whilst the bear pit scene did seem a little short to me and my memory of reading the scene, the tension was definitely there and it’s nice to read of the reactions of the Unsullied to it. My other half was gobsmacked, and pretty much shouted “Holy s**t, is that a f*****g bear!?” – she has such a way with words. :D

  71. DevoutBeaver
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    And I’m just wondering if we are going to see Margaery’ s dad soon. It would be really weird if we were to see wedding without bride’s father, dont you think? And only three episodes left.

  72. Oz of Thrones
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    DanBeresford,

    As long as we aren’t exposed to spoilers and book content, I welcome the Sullied. The vast majority of book readers are very respectful of the uneducated.

    And I gave Hodor some love…. Look under favorite quote on the post! Arguably the best “Hodor” ever.

    And thanks for the Tulisa info. Thought I had read something we didnt need to read.

  73. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    asfastasican,

    Errm, GRRM didn’t write the bear pit scene…

  74. Zoltán
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m a book reader and I think this was one of the BEST episodes (certainly a lot better than 1, 2 and 6). So what the hell? How is it possible that we assess the same episodes so differently?

  75. Zoltán
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    I only found two bad things about this episode. The scenery for the Jaime/Qyburn/Steelshanks theme looked just like the Northern scenery we saw in Jon’s and Bran’s scenes and not like the wooded Riverlands. Well, I guess they were short on time and couldn’t shoot on the original location they planned to. And secondly, Robb’s bathrobe. There’s no excuse for that.

  76. Hawk
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Zoltán:
    I’m a book reader and I think this was one of the BEST episodes (certainly a lot better than 1, 2 and 6). So what the hell? How is it possible that we assess the same episodes so differently?

    I’m going to take a wild guess here and say it has something to do with opinions…

  77. Alisha
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Zoltán,

    I know right!? Robb should never wear a bathrobe. Felt a bit cheated. lol

  78. Joh
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Yes, Kristin Nairn delivered his line flawlessly this week!

  79. Grijnwaald
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    That was such a good Hodor…….

    What in seven hells is the Hound gonna do with Arya? That must suck, she was so close to Riverrun and her brother and mother.

    I’d give my left testicle (or right hand) to see a Bran, Jon and Sam union.

  80. Mike
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    I am a book reader.

    I want to point out to other book readers that saying things like “Talisa isn’t even in the books” and “Theon’s storyline will be important later” and even “This stuff with Theon was only told in flashback in the books” are ALL SPOILERS. Stop that.

  81. Strepsi
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Nick,

    You nailed Dany’s backstory except for the part where SHE was sold into slavery!

  82. Jar baby
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    The Theon scene made my dick hurt……twice

  83. Joh
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Does Sam have a fan following among the Unsullied?

    I think the actor is doing a smashing job, but he is not exactly an action hero.

    Not a lot of chubby, kind, bookish guys get this much screentime and focus on TV.

    Sam’s powers of observation and cleverness could pay off for the Night’s Watch (we see him collecting info about the the White Walker legends in season one) and he has made a friend and ally in Gilly, who knows all about life North of the Wall.

    But he doesn’t wield a sword like Jon Snow, and he can’t survive without help.
    Although I liked Meera’s quote earlier in the season about how some people will always need help…I wonder if it was a nod to Sam as well as Jojen and Bran?

    One of the recappers/reviewers, Larry Williams, made a comment in his last video review about how all of the major players in the game seem to avoid true friendships and alliances. Alliances are only made in times of desperation, and the strong avoid leaning on each other at all costs.

    It is an aspect of the story that I really had never thought of before watching the show .

    The arrangement Jon makes with his brothers in the Night’s Watch to take care of Sam is really a standout moment, in that it shows a whole different strategy for survival. It would be easier to leave Sam to die, but Jon insists that Sam’s skills are as important as any other brother, even if it means he can never stand on his own.

    Does Sam still leave a good impression on viewers, or do they just see him as dead weight?

  84. Veltigar
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    I loved this episode. After that really shitty episode 6 I began to worry, but this week was great. About the chances of Tormunds band taking Castle Black (the shows version of this is different than in the books so yeah I’m free to speculate on their plan of action), Ygritte seems to be quite the archer and there are probably other Good wildling archers with the band as well. I think the Wildlings plan of action is to take the gate, hold the NW off with arrows and then open the gates so that the rest of their army can flood in. That gate would be a very good defensive position IMO, think Aragorn and Theoden riding out of Helmsdeep knocking Orcs against the ground.

  85. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Pointing out that something is not even in the books could definitely be a spoiler or hint for the future.

    Book-readers, please leave off the book discussion in this comment thread! You have the other post for that.

  86. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    All I have to say is thank the gods for Robb’s sexposition. Richard Madden has one fine jawline, among other things. Humunah humunah!

    Also, Brienne is one tough bitch. Seriously, half mauled by a giant bear, then is rescued from the pit only to spin on a dime and reach back down to save Jaime? Go girl!

    Poor Theon and his wee willy winkie. I’m ready for the torture scenes to come to an end now.

    I am so distracted by the gingery nature of Joe Dempsie’s facial hair I had to watch that scene twice. The drapes don’t match the…. Throw blanket?

  87. outdoorcats
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Nick,

    You forget that Dany was basically sold as a slave to Khal Drogo. She grew to love him and turned the situation around to her advantage, but she was pretty miserable at first, no? Hence the empathy. Also, I don’t know anything about Targaryens supporting slavery in Westeros. Slavery is illegal in Westeros.

  88. outdoorcats
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    As for how they got down off the wall so fast…HANG-GLIDERS! duh.

  89. Hawk
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    imlad,

    The real question is has Billy Simmonses figured it out yet, and if His Casual Fanness hasn’t figured it out yet the story needs to be more mindful of his level of commitment to figure it out…

  90. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    imlad,

    I bet there are plenty of smart non-readers who don’t know who he is. Many of them would’ve watched Season 2 a year ago and not remember what happened at Winterfell (especially as it was covered extremely vaguely).

    As a book reader, I enjoyed Theon’s story in the first four episodes. After that it really went downhill rather rapidly. I can honestly understand why non-book readers would hate this storyline.

  91. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    There are many Unsullied who have no clue about Boy’s identity, and therefore it is not acceptable for a book-reader to come into this discussion and to lay out the key facts, using a book reader’s knowledge, telling them what is important about figuring out Boy’s identity. This is why book readers should post in this topic very minimally. Cut it out.

  92. imlad
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Okay, why was my post deleted? Not a single spoiler in there, I only referenced what actually has appeared on screen in episodes that have aired. I did not say who Boy was.

    EVerything I pointed out were the facts (from the show, and only the show) that my Unsullied friends have all used in their explanations of how they figured it out.

    So what gives?

  93. Ricardo
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Sugaree,

    Cod fucking dammit, stop saying “in seasons to come”! The fact that someone is even alive next season is a huge spoiler in this show.

  94. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    imlad,

    You’re a book reader who is telling the Unsullied what they should be looking at for clues to Boy’s identity. That’s not acceptable. There’s been many Boy/Theon scenes, people don’t always know what is significant, but you are *telling* them. Book readers should not be in this post, doing that. Please stop.

  95. A wildling Bastard
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    imlad,

    You’re a book reader who is telling the Unsullied what they should be looking at for clues to Boy’s identity. That’s not acceptable. There’s been many Boy/Theon scenes, people don’t always know what is significant, but you are *telling* them. Book readers should not be in this post, doing that. Please stop.

    You removed my post aswell .. but i understand .. i’ll leave the unsullied to speculate on their own .. and what a great episode this one was ..

  96. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,
    Similar problem- in telling people that your friend was wrong about his speculation you were telling the Unsullied here who Boy was not, as well. The Sullied often don’t realize they’re posting spoilers. Thanks for understanding. :)

  97. Alisha
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    I guess I don’t understand…. I thought it was said in TV show interviews that she’s not playing the same character that’s written in the books. How is it considered a spoiler then? Are things said in interviews off limits?

  98. inthefade
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats: You forget that Dany was basically sold as a slave to Khal Drogo. She grew to love him and turned the situation around to her advantage, but she was pretty miserable at first, no? Hence the empathy. Also, I don’t know anything about Targaryens supporting slavery in Westeros. Slavery is illegal in Westeros.

    Yeah, she was sold to Khal Drogo so can relate to being enslaved, but another reason Dany has strong feelings about slavery is that she feels somewhat responsible. Remember back in Season 1 after the assassin tried to poison her, Drogo swore that he would take his Khalasar across the poison water and give his unborn son the “iron chair.”

    Yet the Dothraki do not use currency, they are nomadic raiders. They give and receive gifts, mostly slaves. Drogo’s khalasar raided the Lhazareen (lamb men) to enslave them all, to trade to the slavers where Dany is now for the ships they would need to cross the narrow sea. Ser Jorah explains all this to Dany, which is when she tries to “rescue” the maegi and the other women from being raped.

  99. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Obviously no spoilers, veiled or otherwise, and here’s the rule of thumb to go by that’s stated in the original post up above: If it involves the books, just don’t mention it.

  100. J
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    That was the worst episode of GoT aired to date. And Martin actually penned that crap? I won’t be wasting my time watching that stinker again on HBOGO. By now everybody’s got to realize that Charles Dance carries this show, but even he couldn’t salvage this episode. NEXT

  101. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Gayle Gunn:
    Kalacakra,

    Just to clarify, that isn’t a question to be answered on this thread. That would be a spoiler. To say that even we “sullied” don’t know what’s up with Talisa is not a spoiler.

  102. alan curtis
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I am a book reader, who has friends who are reading the books, and I totally agree with the “flames” the book readers are getting in this forum.

    I have found it almost impossible to have any sort of a discussion about the books and/or series. Like Ricardo said, even suggesting what may matter “later” is a HUGE tip off about who is alive later, which removes the drama from many of these scenes.

    I’ve learned all I can do to even ask where they are in their book reading is to ask “what’s going on at X”, where X is a PLACE winterfell, kings landing, etc, and then let them talk… Anything else leaks knowledge of the future which is ruinous.

    So about all book readers really should do in this forum is get enjoyment from reading the ‘unsullied’ comments, and help tell the book readers to only read, and not write!

    My 2 coppers worth…

    Alan

  103. Nivenus
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:12 am | Permalink

    Nick,

    Westeros doesn’t (officially) condone slavery. It’s actually a major point of cultural conflict between the peoples of Westeros and those of Essos, to the point that several characters from the former see it as proof of their moral superiority.

    Westeros *does* have several institutions that are very akin to slavery, but that’s not how the Westerosi see it.

  104. Hear Me Roar
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Gatorfisch,

    With regard to this particular discussion you’re having (not directed just at you, Gatorfish, but the whole thing) – if it involves the phrase “in the books”, don’t post it. Easy. I don’t even like the the comments to the effects: oh, we know, but we’re not telling, wait and see – OR – we don’t know either, it’s different than in the books.

  105. Daniel
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    To those who think Talisa is a spy, I completly disagree. First of all it would be too obvious, since this was talked about between Robb and Talisa in the 2nd Season. Second there have been hints that someone else might be a spy

    I’m putting this in spoiler text just to make sure, but it’s just a theory

    I’m thinking Lord Bolton, why else would he release Jaime Lannister? He knows how important he is to Robb. He also said to Jaime just before returning him to King’s Landing that he should give his regards to his father, or something like that. Tywin also said in an earlier episode, he was doing everything he could to get Jaime back. Maybe he made some kind of deal with Bolton. I just find the whole charade kinda weird, and if anyone is a spy is would be Bolton

  106. valyrian
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Lyanna_Targaryen,

    I thought I was the only one bothered by it! Hahahahaha it’s really distracting!

    On another unrelated note, enough of Theon show, please!

  107. M
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    michael. T,

    So’ve I. I know exactly how integral the plot is to the books, but the show likes to linger on the torture and it’s making people uncomfortable.

  108. M
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Hawk,

    Are you new? You can’t have opinions on the Internet! Back to your cage!

  109. Christian Delbove
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Stark:
    Dana,

    Well, since Rob met her things had gone from wrong to worse… She seems to meddle at every moment, just when he tries to prepare a coherent strategy…

    well yeah, but the main thing is that he lost the Freys because of her, or his love for her

  110. I Know of Fear
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    So I recall lady week my fellow unsullied were surprised at how simple it was to negotiate with the Freys. But with this episode I realized that they were not talking to Lord Frey, but his sons. There is no telling if he will accept the deal his sons made on his behalf, because I doubt they are as concerned with finding husbands for unwed ladies of their house.

    I’m also not sure anymore that the dragons will grow big enough to destroy castles after what the hand of the king said. I wonder what caused the dragons of Westeros to get smaller over the years?

    And I know a ton of people are worried for Gendry, but he is a skilled blacksmith and can use a sword. Perhaps knowing his parentage will inspire him to taker action instead of simply being a pawn for Melisandre or whomever else.

  111. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    xavier:
    What do you think about the rumor that Talisa might be a spy??? In the second season, Tywin lannister seemed very well informed about the Stark’s intentions, receiving letter continously and Talisa is shown several times writting letters. She is also the only one from Volantis who doesn’t have a strange accent….

    I don’t think we’ve had any other characters from Volantis. Note, though, that Varys is from one of the other Free Cities and he doesn’t have an accent.

    As for the notion that Talisa’s not exactly who she claims to be, that’s remains a possibility. However, given that Rob has won every single battle in the war, I doubt she’s spying for Lannisters. Tywin’s military intel on Rob (and vice versa) probably comes from less obvious sources.

    In the most ironic scenario, Talisa would turn out to be the most beautiful of Walder Frey’s daughters, the bright one he decided to send to a good school abroad. By getting her to seduce Rob so he would have to make an honest women of her in secret, wily old Walder would finally see his House tied to both the Starks and the Tullys, i.e. both ends of the bridge at the Twins. Far fetched? Almost certainly, but wild speculation and baseless rumors are half the fun.

  112. imlad
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I apologize. Don’t even know why I clicked the link to this thread when a friend messaged it too me. Guess I was feeling her frustration as well (she’s one of my Unsullied friends).

  113. Anterograde
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin: In the most ironic scenario, Talisa would turn out to be the most beautiful of Walder Frey’s daughters, the bright one he decided to send to a good school abroad. By getting her to seduce Rob so he would have to make an honest women of her in secret, wily old Walder would finally see his House tied to both the Starks and the Tullys, i.e. both ends of the bridge at the Twins. Far fetched? Almost certainly, but wild speculation and baseless rumors are half the fun.

    That would be a cool twist, and wily indeed:

    –Make Robb think he’s betrayed the Freys
    –Offer a new marriage with Edmure Tully to mend fences
    –Win two marriages for the price of one…

    Everything works out nicely…Frey gets rid of daughters…Robb gets his army…

  114. spingwillcome
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    That was quite a bold move of Jaime – though he didn’t overplay his ………………….position after all.
    Loved it – especially that he hasn’t lost his attitude…. .

  115. Mr. X
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    asfastasican,

    I signed up just to tell you this;

    Martin didn’t write the Bear Pit Scene – it was written by D&D and was originally in Episode 8, but then they decided to move it into this Episode.
    So this scene is actually the worst example you could have picked to defend D&D…

  116. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    modiglian,

    Let’s see if I can explain why Sam is my second-favorite character of both the books and the show (after Tyrion, of course.)

    Despite being born to wealth and power, Sam is despised and abused and down-trodden. After the mistreatment by his father, he would be perfectly justified to be a psychopathic monster like Joffrey. But he’s not.

    Sam is smart, loyal, kind and humble. He’s also brave – did you see any of the other Night’s Watch trying to save one of Craster’s victims?

    Sam doesn’t want the Iron Throne. He doesn’t want money or power or fame. He doesn’t need to abuse others to make himself feel better. Sam knows who he is.

    As John Bradley, who is just perfect playing Sam, put it, all Sam wants is a simple life with Gilly. A home where they can raise her child in relative safety and comfort.

    In Westeros, that’s courageous and admirable. And among the named characters, unique.

    I’m quite sure that Sam will be the one to unravel both the White Walker and dragon mysteries, and thus be the true savior of Westeros.

    But even if he isn’t, he’ll still be one of ASOIAF’s and GOT’s most important characters, for what he teaches and reminds us about what is important in every world.

  117. Caelra
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    My newbie friends thought the funniest thing about the episode was the conversation between Jon and Ygritte about silk dresses and blackening eyes :) personally, I got chills at seeing the boats in Blackwater Bay and Melisandre telling Gendry about his father.

  118. Deborah
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Dana,

    Totally not a spoiler. rest assured about that.

  119. J. williams
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I really enjoyed the GOT up until the midpoint of season 3. I had it right up there with AMC’s TWD for leading overall violent drama. However, this season has reached a major lull in the story line. An inordinate and unnecessary amount of subplots have been devouring the air-time. For instance, forgive the spelling, Tarley the poltroon of the Night’s Watch and Crastner’s daughter playing house in the wild. Give me a break! I would axe that subplot along with Brann and Ricon Stark’s pointless journey to find John Snow. Where are they going again? No mode of story telling is perfect, but the aforementioned subplots along with the severe drag and drawing out of some of the major story lines makes GOT a marginal show these days at best. We clamor for an upheaval in the power struggle among the houses. It is increasingly becoming a monotonous stalemate/ soap opera. Don’t get me wrong I like sordid acts of sex and violence on tv, and I am not afraid to admit it. But I what point does GOT demonstrate some direction? If there is no usurper in the near future then what’s the point!

  120. modiglian
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    Yellow Dog,

    I can short what you just described: Carebear

    That’s what the character Sam is.

    That’s what the character Sansa is (slightly different and needed a long time to realize what a shitty world she’s in, but at least she’s pleasing to look at).

    Do I want more than one carebear character in ASOIAF?

    Ewww, no thanks, please GRRM, kill Sam already.

  121. Karina
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    I don’t think Orell actually has a thing for Ygritte. He’s just trying to break the two up.

  122. Targaryen
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    If that one guy (Lord Bolton’s henchman) really wanted to keep Brienne from Jaime, he could have just stabbed her in the back after they walked off since he wanted to kill her anyway.

  123. Aurang's Bird
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    asfastasican,

    GRRM didn’t write the bearpit scene, it was originally supposed to be in the next episode written by D&D but they decided to pull it from that one and put it in this one, along with a couple of other things that were shuffled between episodes.

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