Recap Round-up: “The Bear and the Maiden Fair”
By Ours is the Fury on in Recap.

Here are some notable recaps and reviews of episode 27 of Game of Thrones:

Book Readers
Sean T. Collins – Rolling Stone
Myles McNutt – Cultural Learnings
James Hibberd – Entertainment Weekly
Alyssa Rosenberg – ThinkProgress
Scott Meslow – The Week
Todd VanDerWerff – A.V. Club
Sarah Hughes – The Guardian
James Poniewozik – Time
Charlie Jane Anders – io9
Elio Garcia – Westeros.org

New Viewers
Alan Sepinwall – HitFix
Andy Greenwald – Grantland
David Sims – A.V. Club
John Kubicek – Buddy TV
Brian Juergens – The Backlot


81 Comments

  1. Derek
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  2. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Disappointing episode. Apart from the Hodor of course. That was epic.

  3. Turncloak
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    The episode 8 preview looks fantastic. Hope it delivers

  4. CGP
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/taxonomy/term/29044/game-thrones-s03e07-recap-review-spoiler-alert – this one’s pretty funny.

    Anyway, Jorah Mormont must’ve checked Wikipedia on his phone again, as he’s telling Daenerys Targaryen that they’re approaching Yunkai, a neighboring city to Astapor … Who are these powerful allies that Yunkai supposedly has? Jorah will have to google it and get back to us.

  5. Mo
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    On a side note…here’s a must watch hilarious video review of episode 6.
    I know it’s an episode late but it really is a must watch!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VteJKW-Uij4

    Apparently there are similar videos for all of season 3 , don’t know how nobody picked up on this guy,he’s funny as hell.

  6. sunspear
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    I had a couple of things I keep seeing people write about from the book, but I didn’t want them buried under the 100 posts about Theon torture in the recap.

    Shae- I’ve seen a lot of people talking about how it isn’t made clear why she betrayed Tyrion. If you reread Cersei’s first chapter in AFFC, she mentions that she promised her a bunch of jewelry and a marriage in exchange for her testimony.

    Tysha- Everyone has been talking about how she was ‘gang-raped’ by Tywin. But Tyrion and the non-book readers shouldn’t know that. The point of that conversation was that Tyrion thought she was a whore who willingly screwed her father’s guards for the money. Heck, I would argue it isn’t clear that that isn’t what happened.

  7. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    After a rewatch and a night of sleep I have come to understand why some didn’t like the episode. The entire Jaime/Brienne stuff felt rushed, while almost every other scene felt dragged out. Perhaps things would have been smoother if they had let Martin write the Jaime/Brienne stuff and not pushed it forward an episode just to add something exciting.

    The Theon stuff has been beat to death already. I think most people agree that too much time has been given to this storyline. While I was excited to see Ramsay at first, now I just want this mystery of who he is to end. I’m hoping they don’t appear again until the finale, where they should finally reveal ‘Boy’s’ identity.

    I really hope the final 3 episodes knock it out of the park. The first half of the season was so strong, I’d hate to see the final half ruin what had a chance to be special. At least we know the Tyrion and Sansa wedding is finally happening in this next episode. And it is safe to say Sam the Slayer is as well. The introduction of Daario and the sellsword companies should be interesting as well. I don’t think they can drag out Jon and Bran’s story any further. The next time we see them it should be at Queenscrown(or the windmill that seems likely to replace it)

  8. aqui
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Very nice recaps

  9. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Tysha – No, the audience is supposed to think that Tywin forced the guards to rape her, paying her so much that the gold ‘slipped through her fingers’

  10. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    No, the audience should still believe (as does Tyrion at the moment) that she is a whore who willingly slept with all these guys for silver (not gold, only Tyrion paid with gold). It’s until his final chapter in ASOS we find out she was not a whore, and was probably gang-raped.

    I for one truly like we’ve been getting nods to her lately though.

  11. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    No*, I never said they don’t believe she’s a whore. What Tyrion believes is that Tysha is a whore who was raped by guards on the orders of Tywin. My point was that Tyrion still sees it as rape – even though she was a whore.

    *at least that’s what I remembered…

  12. Malcatraz
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone else notice during the Theon “sex scene” that that lady had a landing strip? #TheNorthWaxes

  13. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Brian Juergens cracks me the f*ck up! I always love his recaps and this one is spot on. It wasn’t the best episode, but not horrible and still kept you entertained.

  14. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Greenwald – “Arya, harangues Beric and Thoros and, in a classic teen girl move, announces she’s a goth.” – I can’t stop laughing! I really can’t!!

  15. ACatLover
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    JoffreyTrueKing,

    No*, I never said they don’t believe she’s a whore. What Tyrion believes is that Tysha is a whore who was raped by guards on the orders of Tywin. My point was that Tyrion still sees it as rape – even though she was a whore.


    *at least that’s what I remembered…

    I took a few minutes to transcribe the speech directly from the episode:

    Bronn: “Well, I imagine that was the end of all that…”
    Tyrion: “Not quite. First my father had Jaime tell me the truth. The girl was a whore, you see. Jaime had arranged the whole thing. The road, the rapers… all of it. He thought it was time I had a woman. After my brother confessed, my father brought in my wife and gave her to his guards. He paid her well, a silver for each man. How many whores command that kind of price? He brought me into the barracks and made me watch. By the end, she had so much silver that the coins were slipping through her fingers and rolling onto the floor.”

    The use of the term “gave her” certainly suggests that it was against Tysha’s will. It takes away any agency on Tysha’s part and makes her an object to be “given.” Whether or not she wanted it or enjoyed it is left ambiguous, but I think the implication is that it was a gang rape. Others have also suggested that the fact that the coins were “slipping through her fingers” (presumably while she was being fucked) indirectly implies that she could no longer hold on to them from weakness, or possibly because the event was somewhat traumatic for her. Even if the story had been true and Tysha had been a whore, there’s a big difference between having sex for money in a small room with one person and being gangbanged in barracks by what must have been 50+ men.

  16. Werd
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Missed The Atlantic’s, which has a supplemental, spoilery post this time for book readers – http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/05/-i-game-of-thrones-i-worst-scene-yet/275772/

  17. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    Nice effort. So yeah, I was right, ‘the coins slipp[ed] through her fingers’ strongly implies gang rape.

  18. Robert
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Elio didn’t like a George R.R. Martin-written episode. I feel like my entire life is a lie.

  19. Luana
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    JFC, are you people for real? How could Tyrion NOT have noticed that Tysha was gang raped? He was there, for f*cks sake! He recounts the story of the gang rape by his father’s soldiers, on the show, and in the books. (Leaving now, because totally creeped out by this discussion…)

  20. Anonymous
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Robert:
    Elio didn’t like a George R.R. Martin-written episode. I feel like my entire life is a lie.

    I’ve heard about his reputation as a purist, but noticed that his reviews this season were pretty tolerant of changes. So I wasn’t surprised. He seems to be consistent about what he likes and doesn’t, and isn’t a blind purist.

  21. sunspear
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    I don’t really see how saying he ‘gave her’ to the guards means she had no choice in the matter. The main issue is that if she were a whore, and Tyrion believes that she was, there’s no reason for her to think of it as a rape. Tywin did that as a lesson to Tyrion, saying ‘your wife doesn’t care about her, she’ll screw anyone for money, here I’ll prove it’. What lesson is there for Tyrion in just having a bunch of people gang rape her?

  22. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    ‘Gave her’ implies that she is a controllable possession. Tywin is disgusted by Tyrion’s actions and wants to teach him a major lesson. In his view, most likely, whores are possessions to be bought and sold and so he insists that every guard buy her and do their business right there and then. Clearly that is rape, as Tysha would not have wanted them all coming at her, abusing her one after the other – and Tyrion knows it too. In Tywin’s eyes though, it’s not rape. It’s simply purchasing goods.

    ^That’s what Tyrion thinks Tywin thinks – until the reveal happens later on.

  23. Conor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Pathetic little Elio once again produces a classic review! Must have pained him so much to diss a GRRM episode – although he did manage to clear his hero’s name from the Bear scene and lay the blame as usual at D&D’s door! But seriously, I nearly vomitted when he suggested a CG bear would have been better suited; says the real bear used was too trained (seriously the guy should write comedy) and so the scene was too staged. Pathetic. People need to understand that each week we are treated to a one hour cinematic movie – we have seen so many great sequences from the books expertly visualised so don’t bloody complain when a real bear was used!!! I must be in the minority when I say I enjoyed that ep – although I agree with the Theon arc, we have seen enough now so please give the poor Greyjoy a couple of weeks off.

  24. Ludwig
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous: I’ve heard about his reputation as a purist, but noticed that his reviews this season were pretty tolerant of changes.So I wasn’t surprised.He seems to be consistent about what he likes and doesn’t, and isn’t a blind purist.

    True. In fact, westeros.org’s are among the most liberal of all reader reviewers – even though Elio knows the novels much better than any journalist out there. Even the Tower of the Hand offers very gracious commentary on the series. This “evil book purists” meme is a drag without much basis – at least as far as the official platforms are concerned…

    Be that as it may, I don’t agree with Elio’s take on the bear pit scene. I mean, we all (him included) know that real-world animals (especially furry ones) are far more difficult to render realistically by CGI than those beautiful fantasy reptiles (who, once again, looked astonishing in Daenerys’ scene).
    We need to keep in mind that this is a television (!) series. And for a television series, the production value on Game of Thrones has been outstanding.

    Conor,

    Are you ill in the head?

  25. Conor
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Ludwig,
    Thanks Ludwig for the concern! Feeling much better now. Westeros.org drives me insane sometimes! Won’t happen again.

  26. Lars
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Anonymous: I’ve heard about his reputation as a purist, but noticed that his reviews this season were pretty tolerant of changes.So I wasn’t surprised.He seems to be consistent about what he likes and doesn’t, and isn’t a blind purist.

    He may may not have liked the episode, but Elio wastes no time shovelling all the blame at D&D, not GRRM for any of the episodes failings. (and there were several) Everything wrong with the episode is apparently due to something that D&D forced GRRM to do.

  27. Atreyu
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    The luminaries at westEros.org will be the last to admit GRRM is mailing it in at this point. They should just stick to the things they know: MUSHing, nail polish, book canon, and their poor, rich, besotted meal ticket in Santa Fe.

  28. Turncloak
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Just saw Simone Boyce on one of gamestop’s tvs. She was doing an ad for “The Last of Us”. Great work!

  29. Anonymous
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    What’s just as bad as GRRM purists are the completely unsympathetic, relentless GRRM bashers.

  30. spacechampion
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    We know from the GOO interview that the guys developing the story for the facebook game, GOT Ascent, get to see the episodes beforehand and have their storyline approved by HBO. you may be interested to know that in the game’s episode 7 Talisa just asked my character’s sworn sword to gather a specific list of herbs. Which herbs I don’t know, but could it be some tansy to make an abortifactant tea?? That’s probably unlikely, it could be this part takes place before she gets pregnant by Robb, and asked for herbs to help make her more fertile. But if the spy theory is correct, all i got to say is “oh-oh!”

  31. WildSeed
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    After a rewatch and anight of sleep I have come to understand why some didn’t like the episode. The entire Jaime/Brienne stuff felt rushed, while almost every other scene felt dragged out. Perhaps things would have been smoother if they had let Martin write the Jaime/Brienne stuff and not pushed it forward an episode just to add something exciting.

    The Theon stuff has been beat to death already. I think most people agree that too much time has been given to this storyline.While I was excited to see Ramsay at first, now I just want this mystery of who he is to end. I’m hoping they don’t appear again until the finale, where they should finally reveal ‘Boy’s’ identity.

    I really hope the final 3 episodes knock it out of the park. The first half of the season was so strong, I’d hate to see the final half ruin what had a chance to be special.At least we know the Tyrion and Sansa wedding is finally happening in this next episode. And it is safe to say Sam the Slayer is as well.The introduction of Daario and the sellsword companies should be interesting as well. I don’t think they can drag out Jon and Bran’s story any further. The next time we see them it should be at Queenscrown(or the windmill that seems likely to replace it)

    I did the same.

  32. WildSeed
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Ludwig: True. In fact, westeros.org’s are among the most liberal of all reader reviewers – even though Elio knows the novels much better than any journalist out there. Even the Tower of the Hand offers very gracious commentary on the series. This “evil book purists” meme is a drag without much basis – at least as far as the official platforms are concerned…

    Be that as it may, I don’t agree with Elio’s take on the bear pit scene. I mean, we all (him included) know that real-world animals (especially furry ones) are far more difficult to render realistically by CGI than those beautiful fantasy reptiles (who, once again, looked astonishing in Daenerys’ scene).
    We need to keep in mind that this is a television (!) series. And for a television series, the production value on Game of Thrones has been outstanding.

    Conor,

    Are you ill in the head?

    I agree to this.

  33. KG
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    I think they gave this episode to Martin BECAUSE of the changes. They had changes in the plot that they felt they had to make, so they handed it to the creator, who is best able to redirect his own creations.

  34. Prince of Pentos
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Subtle 21st century MISANDRY (dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men) in this episode:

    1. Gendry stating that he never wanted a father. (This is a reflection of the typical 21st century notions that fathers are failing their children, rather than being banished from their children’s lives through court gender discrimination against men and their former partners’ socially accepted vindictive attitudes, and that a family consisting of only a mother and her children is ideal, rather than being a cause for increased criminality among youth due to failed parenthood.)

    2. Ygritte’s verbal and physical abuse towards Jon. (This is another reflection of the typical 21st century notion that violence, whether physical or verbal, by women against men is always justified because, supposedly, the woman’s desire to cause violence and abuse is only the result of even worse abuse by the man. This stands in blind contradiction to the reality whereby often women abusers are the first (and only) to attack, and without valid reason, and for imagined causes (ex: “he deserved it”), believing themselves to be entitled and justified in their unreciprocated violence against men through mainstream social acceptance and congratulation of it (especially in entertainment media). For instance, around 40% of domestic violence victims are men. Abuse is abuse! Female abuse against men is a crime punishable by law.)

    3. Theon’s “erotic” castration. (21st century notion that men do not have reproductive rights, that male bodies are disposable, and yet, contradictorily, that they cannot be victims as only female bodies can be victims, and that men are incapable of being raped as they are always desirous of sex. These are (the above) nonsense ideas: Men DO have reproductive rights, their bodies are just as precious as female ones and should not be placed unnecessarily in harm’s way, men can also be victims, not just women, and men can also be raped, as Theon was in the episode by both the women and the “unnamed man.”)

    4. Margary’s lecture about the complicated nature of women. (Indirectly, she is stating a 21st notion that men are Bart Simpson-style sexual simpleton testosterone animals, not difficult to please sexually, and not needing of much love and emotion. This is, of course, complete bullshit, and the polar opposite is often true.)

  35. Eoghan Dalton
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to have to disagree with the Prince of Pentos on the Theon scene; James Poniewozik has the right idea on that, which is that the torturer wants to break Theon down psychologically, rather than just physically. His take really made me rethink my own problems with the scene, which was infact very well done. I enjoyed how tense the scene was, with that feeling of dread building as the vampiric women abused him.

    My own recap for the episode is here http://thedailyshift.com/2013/05/13/review-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-game-of-thrones-s03e07/

  36. NoOne
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    The slow episodes are the equivalent of the Sansa chapters from the books, everything makes sense now people!! D:

  37. Steven Swanson
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Prince of Pentos,

    I’m assuming you sit home most Saturday nights, eh?

    Probably practicing the copy-paste function, considering I just read this identical post on another thread.

  38. Julie
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Because other than Tommen and Mrycella Tyrion is the only decent Lanister.

  39. Steven Swanson
    Posted May 13, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Hawk:
    Prince of Pentos,

    Dude, GROW A PAIR!

    MISANDRY! MODERATORS TAKE NOTE!!!

  40. Eleanor
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    LOVE that Vancouver writeup! Especially the way they call it the Frozone.

  41. magnuskn
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    What the Flick review is up:

    http://youtu.be/WDadDKLOO2w?t=1s

  42. Shady_Grady
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    I did not think that this season or this last episode was particularly slow. But evidently some people did. It will be entertaining to see their reaction to the Red Wedding and whether that finally satisfies their demands for action

  43. Nick Larter
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    I’m really enjoying the wired recaps this season which specifically compare the show, the books and fan theories – loads of spoilers

    http://www.wired.com/underwire/2013/05/game-thrones-recap-bear-maiden/

    props to Laura Hudson and Erik Henriksen

  44. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos

    I just discussed your comments with a friend of mine and her and I both find your perspective very thought provoking :) I’ll only be seeing the ep tonight though, so will be looking out for that. How sad that one of the few more decent academically-minded opinions on this show gets immediately shot down by others.

  45. David The Grey
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    I had a good laugh over this line from Hibberd’s EW review:
    The Boy interrupts, as we knew he would. He’s holding a knife that’s so complicated and wicked looking that I ordered my brain not to try and figure out how it’s used.

  46. Red Hound
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Prince of Pentos,

    I’m assuming you sit home most Saturday nights, eh?

    Textbook ad hominem attack. Did you even give a second thought to what he wrote?

  47. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Let’s skip the personal attacks here. Posts along that line will be deleted.

  48. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Half the fun of GoT is discovering the little tidbits the show manages to hide in plain sight. Things that made me go HMMMM this week:

    a) After a knife to the heart failed to do the trick, Osha knew she had to burn the zombie her husband Brooney had become. Since she’s not been presented as unusual, this suggests knowledge of how to deal with zombies is widespread among the wildlings. Perhaps it’s just part of a story parents tell their children north of the Wall. In any event, now Bran & the gang know, too.

    b) Ygritte claims she know nothing about banners, marching, palaces, windmills, swooning or fainting. More importantly, she feigns ignorance of her own people’s half a dozen failed campaigns against the Night’s Watch over the past millenium. Those would have been the stuff of legends, so that was a bit of a red flag right there. Then, unprompted, she brings up silk dresses. How does she even know about silk? Based on the cave scene, wildling underwear consists of a coarse rag.

    Maybe “silkgate” was just the writer slipping up, but this episode was written by GRRM. Therefore, maybe it was a subtle hint Ygritte’s love for Jon is just a ruse, carried out under orders from Mance Rayder. As a former Crow, he surely knows a thing or two about divided loyalties, deception and espionage.

    c) Absent a beach, Margaery takes Sansa on a long walk through the royal gardens and gives her a rose. Now, I realize that’s the Tyrell sigil, but it’s not as if Marg has been handing them out like candy to all and sundry. A little later, amid all the stuff about dynastic duty sex, she talks about how some women like all kinds of men … and pretty girls. Newsflash: the Reach is around for the ladies, too. Highgarden! Unsurprisingly, Sansa’s still too innocent to catch her drift.

    That chat Sansa mentions, I suspect Marg had it with her open-minded grandmother Olenna. As for knowing how to receive pleasure, remember that conversation about Marg’s gorgeous older cousin, the one she wished “pancake face” on when she got engaged? This is exactly how ugly rumors get started ;^)

    d) Melisandre manages to sail her ship straight through a graveyard of wrecks (hello, navigational hazard!) and then tells Gendry she was branded a slave. Now, I don’t know where they brand slaves where she’s from but from what we’ve seen so far – and we’ve been shown a lot – her skin appears to be unblemished.

    Her conversation with Thoros in High Valyrian revealed that both serve a High Priest whose initial plan had been to convert Robert Baratheon and by extension, all of Westeros. Mel’s apparent mission is to try again, this time by getting Stannis (the next in line of succession) to believe that he’s some kind of Messiah. Yeah, right. Why should we believe what she’s feeding Gendry as her personal backstory now? The only one of her statements we have reason to trust is that there is indeed power (i.e. magic) in a king’s blood.

    e) Talisa Maegyr decides to write a letter, ostensibly to her mother, just after Rob ponders his military map and utters the word “attack” – albeit in the context of a decidedly civilian context. Fair enough, this episode aired on Mother’s Day, but penning a missive was still a weird response, especially in the middle of post-coital bliss. Rob then reminds her that she is a queen because he, too, is a king. She announces she’s pregnant. There’s absolutely no reason to believe Talisa has anything to do with the Red God, but is a king’s blood of supernatural value to anyone else? Why else would these scenes be juxtaposed in the same episode? Then again, maybe I’m just being paranoid.

    f) When Qyburn – apparently a.k.a. the Dr. Mengele of Westeros – helped Jaime with his saddle, we saw an ugly scar on his neck. It was only on the left side, so it’s unlikely to be a rope burn from a noose he somehow got out of. Maybe someone tried to slit his throat and he managed to survive. Or, he may have undergone a successful operation on his neck. There’s a backstory we’ve not be told yet.

    g) Joff has heard rumors about Dany even though Tywin had kept this information from him. Remember all the little children listening in on Dany’s conversation with Krasnyz in Astapor, the one in which she set up the deal and demanded Missandei as a gift? Someone’s little birds, perhaps? As Tywin reminds his grandson, he’s been Hand before. Chances are, he learned to trust Varys.

    The boy-tyrant is into snuff sex, but he’s also smart enough to know he cannot trust his grandfather blindly. Cersei appears to get her info from LF, perhaps the same is true of Joff. Considering LF’s brothel business is based on de facto slavery (the sad pleasure girl from Lys, none of his whores ever shown outdoors, the “bad investment” remark to Varys), it seems plausible that his network would also extend along the trade routes of Essos.

    What’s really interesting, though, is that neither Joff nor Tywin have been told the whole story. In season 1, there was a scene in which Arya chased a cat into the cellars of the Red Keep, where she hid inside a huge dragon skull when Varys and Magister Illyrio from Pentos walked past, discussing the return of a Targaryen to the Iron Throne. Ergo, Varys has ample reason to downplay the threat Dany poses. For his part, Littlefinger wants to destabilize and quite possibly destroy the Iron Throne so he can climb the ladder in the ensuing chaos. Therefore, he has his own motivations for being less than forthcoming.

    Granted, information from Qarth and Astapor would take time to reach King’s Landing, but news of dragons, a coup d’etat in one powerful city-state and the wholesale destruction of another would surely spread rapidly among the sailors plying the coasts of Essos. Just how long could Varys and LF keep a lid on all that?

  49. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Sorry, mixed my metaphors there: “pancake face” should read “porridge plague“. The conversation I referred to was innocent enough, on the face of it. Margaery couched it in the context of self-esteem issues during puberty.

    However, perhaps what she said then needs to be re-evaluated in light of her latest talk with Sansa.

  50. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin

    I am convinced that slip-ups in writing do happen, especially in something like Thrones where a complex story is being adapted. But a lot of the time I wonder to what extent contradictions are left in the dialogue for exposition for casual viewers. We get witty banter between Jon and Ygritte and during the scene I pay more attention to the dialogue, what’s being said, how convincingly the actors say it to each other, as well as the context within which it is being said. Only later my mind wraps around implications and meaning. So I thought Ygritte referred to silk dresses simply because Jon referred to them first. But yes, why then didn’t she ask “what’s a silk dress?”

    Chances are the wildlings know more of foreign material objects, like silk dresses (and stereotypical meanings attached to them, based on their notion of the culture of origin) and less of linguistic concepts (swooning, fainting), because it’s not implicit female wildling behaviour (it’s not needed to attract “lordly behaviour” from wildling men). She wouldn’t know what a Mill is either because crop-building won’t exist in the icy North.

    But regardless of whether this was a mistake or intended, viewing it like this is a good anthropological exercise in my opinion.

  51. Viola
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Malcatraz,

    This is what we should be talking about. The lack of proper pubic hair in the Northern women. Where are the 70s style bushes?

    This should be known as #Merkingate

  52. KG
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound,

    Sure I did. I thought about it, and then I decided he’s an idiot riding a hobby horse to garner the attention he so obviously craves.

  53. KG
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    New thoughts about Talisa:

    What if
    … she IS a spy, and attends the Red Wedding in order to hook back up with her Frey/Lannister homeboys? Just because she’s there doesn’t mean she is on the hit list. This way, she would serve the purpose of Jeyne AND her mother. And if she’s truly pregnant, her controllers now have the key to the North.

  54. Red Hound
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Red Hound,

    Sure I did. I thought about it, and then I decided he’s an idiot riding a hobby horse to garner the attention he so obviously craves.

    And what do you crave when you call him out using zero arguments? Why not just ignore his message and move on? You looked down at him, used an ad hominem that is used usually against men (and women) who decide to voice an opinion that may hint misandry.

    His message had some interesting points. Yours, none, except that it reveals something about you.

  55. Joh
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    favorite line from the EW recap this week:

    “Must say: Great acting from the bear. Really! He’s angry and mauls Brienne and swipes the ground and roars and beats on the wall. I want the bear to go back to King’s Landing so it can have some one-on-one chat scenes with Tyrion and Lady Olenna.”

    That’ll do, bear. That’ll do.

  56. KG
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound: And what do you crave when you call him out using zero arguments? Why not just ignore his message and move on? You looked down at him, used an ad hominem that is used usually against men (and women) who decide to voice an opinion that may hint misandry.

    His message had some interesting points. Yours, none, except that it reveals something about you.

    That I’m terribly impatient with whiners, yes. And whiner-enablers like you. Life isn’t fair; if you haven’t figured that out by the time you hit kindergarten, then there is no hope for you.

  57. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    D & D should have allowed George to write episode 9 instead of giving him this rather slow one.

  58. Red Hound
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    KG: That I’m terribly impatient with whiners, yes.And whiner-enablers like you.Life isn’t fair; if you haven’t figured that out by the time you hit kindergarten, then there is no hope for you.

    Who is enabling whiners who crave attention, those who insult them (you) or those who don’t address them directly (me)?

    Another ad hominem. What does fairness have to do with anything here? And why do you have so little patience with whiners that you need to put them down in such a fashion?

  59. Red Hound
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound: Who is enabling whiners who crave attention, those who insult them (you) or those who don’t address them directly (me)?

    Another ad hominem. What does fairness have to do with anything here? And why do you have so little patience with whiners that you need to put them down in such a fashion?

    I’m quoting myself to add something, because I have no interest in continue the discussion as it may be annoying for other users.

    But, I want to play the assumptions game. KG, correct me if I’m wrong, but you are 25-30 years old, male and the “Saturday night” insult was a projection because you’ve stayed many like that yourself on your own, you didn’t like it and you used it as a weapon.

    And after that, I got nothing else to add on the matter.

  60. Shmurb
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    I don’t think he deserves to be shot down as he has been, but making inferences based on very indirect personal opinions of the material is the problem here.. The points you made (Prince of Pentos) are good as they apply to today, but I just can’t connect them to the source material as you do.

    Theon’s “erotic” castration? I could see this line of thinking because of the nudity involved in the scene, but it’s also expressly designed to be fucked up, and I don’t think anyone was saying “fuck yes, Theon got his dick chopped off!” The show IS showing Theon lose his power, the show IS showing him get raped/abused, he is presented as a victim through and through. Now, I think misandry can come through viewer interpretation, just as misogyny can. If some idiot watches this and legitimately thinks “oh lol Theon deserved this” or don’t care that he’s being victimized, BECAUSE he is a guy, then they’re obvious exhibiting it. The show wasn’t going for that, so I can see what you mean IF you’re talking about a certain subset of viewers and how they would read into the show, but not that the show had that intent.

  61. Joh
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    GRRM requested this episode.

    He has said repeatedly in interviews that he refused to write #9 because it was hard enough writing that part of the story the first time

  62. Cary Storm
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Atreyu:
    The luminaries at westEros.org will be the last to admit GRRM is mailing it in at this point. They should just stick to the things they know: MUSHing, nail polish, book canon, and their poor, rich, besotted meal ticket in Santa Fe.

    Incredible that this post went by so quietly. One would think people agree with you.

  63. Lightning Lord
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    I love GOT but this season is getting hard to watch im getting more and more frustrated with being left disapointed every week. ,from the cringey Osha speech last night to the terrible pod joke a few wks ago. A storm of swords is the best of the books and there’s plenty for the writers to get their teeth into but they seem hellbent on putting in scenes that frankly arn’t needed or work that well. stick to the basic core of the story which is Revenge, war, deceit, wolves, dragons and dead men, instead this season we have Love, torture, love, torture, slaves and you know nothing Jon Snow. Snorefest!!

  64. Ed
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, John Bender.

    Atreyu:
    The luminaries at westEros.org will be the last to admit GRRM is mailing it in at this point. They should just stick to the things they know: MUSHing, nail polish, book canon, and their poor, rich, besotted meal ticket in Santa Fe.

  65. Ed
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    (Jumping up and down pointing) Ad Hominem!! Ad Hominem!!!

    Red Hound

    KG, correct me if I’m wrong, but you are 25-30 years old, male and the “Saturday night” insult was a projection because you’ve stayed many like that yourself on your own, you didn’t like it and you used it as a weapon.

  66. Cary Storm
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Misandry? Is that the crack shipping of Missandei + Gendry?

  67. Atreyu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    We should get together for coffee sometime. You are a person of distinction and taste.

  68. WildSeed
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb,

    You make good points here, and several times during the Dreadfort scenes,
    the young women and Ramseyreferred to Theon’s legendary
    Penis. I recollect his S1 banter about his tally wacker, along with Tyrion’s
    tryst with the whores serving Winterfell ‘s village. Not sure if misandry
    applied to that scene as a whole , but using the concept as basis for physical
    torture is not out of the question. Ramsey is as psychotic as torturers come
    to be
    *>*

  69. WildSeed
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Eoghan Dalton:
    I’m going to have to disagree with the Prince of Pentos on the Theon scene; James Poniewozik has the right idea on that, which is that the torturer wants to break Theon down psychologically, rather than just physically. His take really made me rethink my own problems with the scene, which was infact very well done. I enjoyed how tense the scene was, with that feeling of dread building as the vampiric women abused him.

    My own recap for the episode is here http://thedailyshift.com/2013/05/13/review-the-bear-and-the-maiden-fair-game-of-thrones-s03e07/

    I can give credence to this. Thanks for the link too.

  70. WildSeed
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin,

    That’s a lot to digest here, but I follow you. The overall schemes of conquest and
    machinations related to it holds true ASOIAF chapters. It’s been nice to
    collectivize these plots from pivotal scenes on the show , whether the script
    called for highlighting these or not.

    Thankfully, several story arcs remain in balance as onscreen characters and
    events evolve further . It speaks well of such an adaptation of a epic book
    series with fragmented locales but similar premise of power and conquest.
    Perhaps there is hope for the symbiotic links to the animals and religious
    philosophies as well. Time will tell if it’s meant to be.

  71. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink
  72. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm:
    Misandry? Is that the crack shipping of Missandei + Gendry?

    Just in case you weren’t being facetious: misandry is misogyny’s lesser known flip side.

    Re ‘shipping: is there no room for a little Khaleessandei in this dark and twisted tale? The Dothraki bloodriders have been banished to the background, Jorah the former slaver is never getting out of the friend zone and Grey Worm has long been when Theon just arrived, so what’s a single mother of three to do for a little horizontal entertainment in this joint? Valar dohaeris but Dany and Missandei are not men, amirite?

    Speaking of misogyny: Nathalie Emmanuel definitely knows how to fetch a bacon sandwich (NSFW).

  73. mage
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Mo,

    that video was hilarious, good find indeed

  74. Shmurb
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin,

    I feel like they’re just gonna steamroll through Dany’s awkward lesbian thing, but I do hope they do find room somewhere for developing her character a bit more, or having some quiet scenes to show what she/the other characters in her setting are thinking. There was a lot of this with her scenes in Season 1, but understandably with 2 and 3 that’s been kind of sidelined to her just getting plot stuff done. It’d be cool to see just a Dany/Missandei scene, or a Dany/Jorah scene, or even a Dany/Barristan scene where we just learn something about the characters. I realize this is practically impossible at this point though, but it would be cool if it managed to fit in somewhere.

  75. KG
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    BAAAHAHAHAHA! Where do I even BEGIN with the wrong-ness here?

    You are literally wrong on every point. EVERY- SINGLE- POINT.

    Even a telephone psychic would have accidentally got ONE thing correct.

  76. KG
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    Ed:
    (Jumping up and down pointing)Ad Hominem!!Ad Hominem!!!

    Not only Ad Hominem, but utterly and hilariously incorrect on all fronts. Seriously, even a blind squirrel finds a nut eventually, and yet My Psychic Friend managed to bat .000

  77. Red Hound
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    KG: BAAAHAHAHAHA!Where do I even BEGIN with the wrong-ness here?

    You are literally wrong on every point. EVERY- SINGLE- POINT.

    Even a telephone psychic would have accidentally got ONE thing correct.

    I’m incredibly wrong, that poster was wrong, everyone is wrong, yet not a single argument from you is coming.

    Ed, I don’t think you’re aware what a “ad hominem” attack is.


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