Leaked audition video means season 4 casting underway
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, Rumors.

An audition video has popped up on Vimeo that looks to be for season 4 of Game of Thrones. The audition is from Dutch actor Yorick van Wageningen and appears to be for the role of the wildling Styr, the Magnar of Thenn. It depicts a confrontation between Styr and Tormund Giantsbane. We’ve got the video after the break. Check it out now before it gets taken down! Too late!

BEWARE AS THE VIDEO AND OUR SPECULATION CONTAIN SPOILERS OF THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN LATER THIS SEASON!

Video has been removed.

Winter Is Coming: Other than the obvious conclusion, that casting for season 4 is underway, this video confirms a couple different things. One, that they will be casting Styr, which was in doubt as his role seemed to have been taken over by Tormund in the show, and two, that the attack on Castle Black will not happen this season.


173 Comments

  1. Zack
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    This is so exciting :)

  2. martell lover
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    hodor

    thanks !

  3. Carne
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    He’s a good actor, so I hope he ends up in some role on the show.

  4. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    I approve this message :)

  5. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    After watching these last 2 slow episodes, I think we’ve seen the result of putting the brakes on the story and pushing events til next season.

    IMO a mistake, but hopefully, they’ll get going with the story and season 4 should fly the way this season could have / should have.

  6. Alex
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Disappointed to find out the battle at Castle Black won’t take place this season :(

  7. Winterlarks
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Interesting!!!

  8. OtherAndrew
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Ha, I love the cameraman’s Ygritte voice.

  9. Styrring
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    If you think about it, are they really gonna put the battle of the wall in the first few episodes of season 4? they’ll need something for the beginning.

  10. Turncloak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Dont like it. What a perfect chance to have Ygritte killed off this season and remove some of the cast which at this point is getting overcrowded

  11. Insomia
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,
    we have enough deaths this season…

  12. Tessa_Leonie
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    I thought he was quite chilling in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. If he is cast though, he needs to get rid of every ounce of Dutch accent he has. I’m personally not happy they let Carice keep hers, but I accept it as show canon. But that would mean Dutch accent = Asshai and most certainly not the correct accent for the Magnar of Then.
    -Dutchy rant over-

    Ugh how long is it till next Sunday?

  13. Lin Beifunk
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh wow! This is super exciting. I feel like a teenage girl at this time of year. O:)

  14. Petearys
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Thank goodness – spoiler – didn’t want to see Tormund go down, like his character

  15. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie,

    I have no problem with the accent. Thenns are not like other wildlings, and should have noticeable differences or at least slight ones like an accent.

  16. Lyn Corbray
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Yesssss glad Styr made the cut. Looks like Orell might not be around much longer, and Rattleshirt has done next to nothing so far other than look cool, so it’s nice to get another wildling leader.

  17. Carne
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn,

    I agree. Think it adds some variety to have wildlings with different accents. Just like you can hear a hint Hivju’s Norwegian accent when Tormund speaks.

  18. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Just trying to map out the story at the Wall next year.

    ep. 401-402: Jon is recovering from his wound and the NW, under the command of Donal Noye, prepares for the coming attack; Mance sends the Thenns over the Wall to regroup with Tormund’s crew and attack Castle Black

    ep. 404: The wildlings attack at Castle Black, ending with Jon discovering Ygritte as she lays dying.

    ep. 405: The NW recovers after the attack and awaits Mance’s attack from the South.

    ep. 406-407: Jon leads the defense at the Wall and prevents Mance’s attack; he is arrested by an arriving Janos Slynt for being a traitor.

    ep. 408: Jon is sent to treat with Mance and ordered to kill him;Stannis arrives to save the day.

    ep. 409: Stannis offers to legitimize Jon and name him Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North; The NW begins the balloting for LC and Sam campaigns for Jon.

    ep. 410: Jon is elected LC and declines Stannis’ offer.

  19. GG
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Wow next season is going to be very heavy on the Greyjoys(assuming Balon dies this season(they must be at least setting it up if Yara’s going to appear this season)) & the Night’s Watch. What with that & the goings on at KL, I’d say s4 will be very light on Arya & Bran(if they don’t start filming at least some of their s5+ scenes now, they’ll both be adults by the time we get there). Dany & Sansa will probably miss 3-4 eps aswell.

  20. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    xandypandy,

    To avoid adding yet another character in season 3. The attack on Castle Black, where Styr dies, won’t take place this season. If you’ll notice, there are only 20 Wildlings South of the Wall. Jon will escape them in episode 309 and arrive back at the Wall in the finale. In season 4, Mance will send the Thenns over the Wall to regroup with Tormund and the others.

  21. GG
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    xandypandy,

    Probably cos it looks ridiculous to have Tormund’s forces try to take on Castle Black when such a vast proportion of his men were killed when the Wall started shedding last ep (not that he had many men to begin with). It could also be that they intend to kill off Tormund & have Styr be captured like Rattleshirt was in the books.

    As for him being already dead in the books, Orell died in CoK & he’s still here(although not for long apparently)

  22. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    I remember that last year there was a (incomplete) list of major characters being cast. Can we expect one of those again for season 4? And if so, roughly when could we expect such a list to be released? Also, roughly when did the announcements (or leaked announcements) of new cast members begin last year?

  23. Sky Aero
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Hope he gets the part!

  24. We do not Hodor
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That’s a pretty nice layout there. Kudos!

  25. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Just trying to map out the story at the Wall next year.

    ep. 401-402: Jon is recovering from his wound and the NW, under the command of Donal Noye, prepares for the coming attack; Mance sends the Thenns over the Wall to regroup with Tormund’s crew and attack Castle Black

    ep. 404: The wildlings attack at Castle Black, ending with Jon discovering Ygritte as she lays dying.

    ep. 405: The NW recovers after the attack and awaits Mance’s attack from the South.

    ep. 406-407:Jon leads the defense at the Wall and prevents Mance’s attack; he is arrested by an arriving Janos Slynt for being a traitor.

    ep. 408: Jon is sent to treat with Mance and ordered to kill him;Stannis arrives to save the day.

    ep. 409: Stannis offers to legitimize Jon and name him Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North; The NW begins the balloting for LC and Sam campaigns for Jon.

    ep. 410: Jon is elected LC and declines Stannis’ offer.

    I have a feeling your last two will be moved to season 5. I just have a feeling that those two can be stretched to later, just spotlight how much of a void the loss of the Old Bears leadership is to the crows

  26. Matt
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    but Ygritte and Jon snow are the “power” couple now… i highly doubt they will even kill her now.

  27. Nick Larter
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Hope they get Neil Marshall back to direct the siege of the Wall

  28. outdoorcats
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Yessssssssssss to expanding Mance and Tormund’s roles next year, even a little, and casting another minor character. The more minor characters the merrier, I always say.

    xandypandy,
    They seem to place limits on how many new characters are introduced per season, which seems sane to me. The show has the biggest cast on television, and if they included all the book’s characters many would not be able to follow it or keep track of who is who.

    This season, they introduced Mance, Tormund, Kraznys, Missandei, and Qyburn in the first episode; Lady Olenna, Jojen&Meera, Orell, Locke, ‘Boy,’ Thoros and Anguy were all introduced in Episode 2. Episode 3 introduced the Tullys; Episode 4 introduced Beric; Episode 5 introduced Selyse, Shireen and Grey Worm. Episode 6 introduced us briefly to two Freys, at least one of whom is a pretty important one (Black Walder). Episode 7 added a new slaver and Steelshanks. We know to expect more Freys including Roslin, Wyman Manderley, Mero the Titan’s Bastard and of course Daario in the last three. Some of these characters like Wyman, Steelshanks, and the Freys seem to be pretty minor, and some others are doomed to die soon anyway, but a LOT of those characters are going to be recurring and important characters for seasons to come. So they try and space it out.

    The Magnar of Thenn will play a different role in the series, of course, but his presence should help fill out the Wildings and make them more three-dimensional and interesting.

  29. Mike Chair
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Matt: Ygritte and Jon snow are the “power” couple now… i highly doubt they will even kill her now.

    If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.

  30. JP Dayne
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    it doesn’t mean there’s no attack at the wall at the end of the season….

    that could just mean tormund regrouped with Styr after failing the attack…

  31. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Matt:
    Turncloak,

    but Ygritte and Jon snow are the “power” couple now… i highly doubt they will even kill her now.

    They have to get rid of her in order to move forward with Jon’s story.

  32. Chinmay
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak,

    I don’t think it was a mistake at all. I actually really enjoyed “The Climb”, it had a really nice flow to it and ended with a really good speech by Littlefinger. Didn’t enjoy “The Bear and the Maiden Fair As Much” because while there were some great moments between characters (Jon and Ygritte, Tywin and Joffrey), the episode didn’t seem to flow very well.

  33. Motherboy
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    This actor (Yorick Van Wageningen) has a mouth like Grumpy Cat.

  34. NewJeffCT
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie:
    I thought he was quite chilling in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. If he is cast though, he needs to get rid of every ounce of Dutch accent he has. I’m personally not happy they let Carice keep hers, but I accept it as show canon. But that would mean Dutch accent = Asshai and most certainly not the correct accent for the Magnar of Then.
    -Dutchy rant over-

    Ugh how long is it till next Sunday?

    oh geez, he was that guy from Dragon Tattoo.. Lisbeth’s guardian. What a creep. (the character, I mean, not the actor.)

  35. mariamb18
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    NewJeffCT: oh geez, he was that guy from Dragon Tattoo.. Lisbeth’s guardian.What a creep.(the character, I mean, not the actor.)

    Yes – I just realized that he played Bjurman. A real creep!

  36. Turncloak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn,

    I actually like this layout. If we have the battle for Castle Black in the first four episodes that would be great. At first I though they were going to skip that all together an just have the battle at the wall in episode 9

  37. ebevan91
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully since we’re getting Magnar, we’ll be getting Val and Dalla.

  38. Brenda Wise
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Mike Chair,

    Excellent reply. Lol

  39. Bider
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Do we know if this fella made the cut? if he hasn’t this “leaked” vid will keep him out… if he has then he won’t be getting many scenes while this is great for fans the backlash upon the actor may be dire

  40. argilac's antler
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like the delay of the Castle Black attack but perhaps they are going to combine it with the siege on the Wall as one big attack? Something like that would make sense financially and with time-management.

  41. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    GG:
    xandypandy,

    Probably cos it looks ridiculous to have Tormund’s forces try to take on Castle Black when such a vast proportion of his men were killed when the Wall started shedding last ep (not that he had many men to begin with). It could also be that they intend to kill off Tormund & have Styr be captured like Rattleshirt was in the books.

    As for him being already dead in the books, Orell died in CoK & he’s still here(although not for long apparently)

    I think you are on to something with Styr replacing Rattleshirt. We know the Rattleshirt sticks around for quite some time (in some form or another) yet his character hasn’t been developed in the TV series at all. And if they are casting an established actor for Styr, I can see them looking to have the role stick around for several seasons.

  42. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Although another Blackwater style episode next season would be nice, I would actually prefer it if the Siege of the Wall happens over several episodes, because it lasted for multiple days in the books, and that way it would better capture the dynamic of a prolonged siege, as opposed to the dynamic of a sudden assault like Blackwater

    I believe the Night’s Watch’s storyline will play out roughly like this (or at least this is how I would like it to play out :P):
    episode 1-2: Preparations for the Battle. Mance sends Styr to meet up with Tormund
    episode 3: The Battle at Castle Black. The episode ends with Jon finding a dying Ygritte. I think that in the show they will either leave it ambiguous as to whether Jon killed her or not, or change it so that Jon is the one that killed her (as opposed to the books, where it isn’t him, but he blames himself anyway)
    episode 4: No Night’s Watch. Possibly Tormund escaping to beyond the Wall and reporting to Mance of his failure. I am rather worried at how they can get Tormund back north of the Wall in a way that is believable, though.
    episode 5: preparations for the siege. Sam arrives back at Castle Black (we know from trailers that his encounter with Bran at the Nightfort happens this season, so they can’t really delay his return to Castle Black any more than this next season).
    episode 6: The siege begins
    episode 7: Jon leads the Watch from the top of the Wall
    episode 8: Janos Slynt and Alliser Thorne turn up at Castle Black and their drama with Jon happens
    episode 9: Jon is sent out to treat with Mance. the episode ends with chants of ‘Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!’
    episode 10: aftermath of the battle. The need to elect a new Lord Commander is expressed. I think that the election itself will be left for season 5.

    As for the season as a whole, here are the scenes that I believe will end each episode.
    episode 1: Possibly Daenerys finding the children nailed to posts pointing the way to Meereen?
    episode 2: Possibly Arya and Sandor at the inn and Arya getting needle back? (assuming it doesn’t happen this season, but I don’t see why it would.)
    episode 3: Jon finding Ygritte dying
    episode 4: Joffrey dies, Tyrion is accused of the murder and taken into captivity
    episode 5: Stannis is about to behead Davos. Davos pulls out a letter…
    episode 6: Tyrion asks for a trial by combat?
    episode 7: Daenerys sends Jorah and Barristan on the suicide mission? (I think this storyline may take a backseat next season
    episode 8: Oberyn’s fight with Gregor, Tyrion is sentenced to death
    episode 9: Stannis saving the Night’s Watch
    episode 10: unknown. Possibly Coldhands? (It seems that he won’t be in this season, so I think that next season Bran and co will travel without him for a time, and this provides a supernatural end to the season.

  43. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie:
    I thought he was quite chilling in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. If he is cast though, he needs to get rid of every ounce of Dutch accent he has. I’m personally not happy they let Carice keep hers, but I accept it as show canon. But that would mean Dutch accent = Asshai and most certainly not the correct accent for the Magnar of Then.

    I guess I’m not bothered by her performance at all for lack of exposure to Dutch, but the greater evil would be everyone’s accent hailing from the U.K., IMHO. Shae and Jaqen are played by German actors, which informally ties their country to Lorath, and the show is richer for it. A few minor roles on the show are plagued by overly modern/familiar accents. Deviations should be welcome to lend more credibility to the cultural diversity of the world of ASOIAF on-screen.

    I know this Dutchman is a fine actor, but it’s not his accent so much as his lack of intensity that leaves me wanting. His build also doesn’t strike me as Magnar-worthy.

  44. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    Alex:
    Disappointed to find out the battle at Castle Black won’t take place this season :(

    You’re free to feel disappointed, but every time you look at your screen and squeal with glee at the pretty CGI dragons, know that you’re proving the showrunners right. [laughs]

  45. Turncloak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    We will see Coldhands this Sunday according to the episode synopsis. Also, i think Daavos will read the letter to Stannis in episode 10, Mysha

  46. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: I guess I’m not bothered by her performance at all for lack of exposure to Dutch, but the greater evil would be everyone’s accent hailing from the U.K., IMHO. Shae and Jaqen are played by German actors, which informally ties their country to Lorath, and the show is richer for it. A few minor roles on the show are plagued by overly modern/familiar accents. Deviations should be welcome to lend more credibility to the cultural diversity of the world of ASOIAF on-screen.

    I know this Dutchman is a fine actor, but it’s not his accent so much as his lack of intensity that leaves me wanting. His build also doesn’t strike me as Magnar-worthy.

    I agree that this actor lacks presence in this audition, but having seen Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, I’m certain he can rise to the occasion

  47. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I disagree about Davos receiving the letter. That won’t happen until around episode 3 or 4 next season. At most Maester Aemon will send the ravens in the season 3 finale. And I’m still not positive Coldhands is the ‘older gentleman’

  48. Turncloak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think we will see him read the letter this season since they’ve already established him learning how to read a few episodes earlier. Also, Gendry gets leached next episode. Why delay his sacrifice this season at all unless Daavos saves him?

  49. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Good point, I guess Sam could meet him next episode, but in light of the episode 8 preview I thought that it referred to the White Walker which he will slay.

    As for Davos, it is impossible for it to happen that early, because Jon returns to Castle Black in episode 10, and the ravens can’t be sent out before he returns. It would be rather silly if a raven got sent from the Wall and arrived at Dragonstone in the same episode
    Here is how I believe that the Dragonstone storyline will play out in the next few episodes and next season:
    episode 28: Gendry’s blood is harvested. possibly the leech scene at the end of the episode.
    episode 29: if the leeches scene wasn’t in episode 28, it will be near the start of this episode. if it was in episode 28 there will be no Dragonstone in this episode/b>
    episode 30:
    Possibly Davos letting Gendry escape, but definitely not Davos almost getting beheaded. I don’t actually believe Gendry’s escape will even be in this episode, though. Maybe it is Davos being let out of prison?
    episode 31: Melisandre is going on about burning Gendry to awaken Dragons
    episode 32: the letter arrives from Castle Black. Davos pleads with Stannis not to burn Gendry (if he doesn’t in the previous episode)
    episode 33 or 34 (probably 34): Davos helps Gendry escape
    episode 35: Stannis is about to behead Davos, Davos pulls out the letter.

    If the letter/almost beheading is this season, then they will have to have the entirety of the Dragonstone crew disappear for almost all of next season, or have lots of filler with their journey to the Wall

  50. gisizzlah
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    All ya’ll speculation is getting pumped up!! So does this mean we should expecting TWOW in 2015?

  51. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    gisizzlah,

    umm, how did you come to that conclusion?

  52. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn: I agree that this actor lacks presence in this audition,but having seen Girl with the Dragon Tattoo,I’m certain he can rise to the occasion

    I don’t remember his role, but also don’t remember a single weak link in that cast. I’m sure he’s quite capable, but he just doesn’t come off as the hardened leader of men the Magnar is described to be. His performance can be adjusted accordingly, but what of his physicality? Well, too early to call absolutes.

    Ah, I just remembered what the latest “wow, that is a strangely modern performance…” moment I experienced was. It was the Titan’s Bastard in the latest episode preview. I hope seeing the full episode shuts up any reservations that brief glimpse awoke.

  53. Mike Chair
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    gisizzlah: All ya’ll speculation is getting pumped up!! So does this mean we should expecting TWOW in 2015?

    Yesterday, GRRM said:

    Gardner Dozois and I have just delivered the completed manuscript (well, e-manuscript, it being 2013 and all) for our latest big cross-genre anthologies, ROGUES, to our editor at Bantam Spectra.

    Last week (or so) he bought a cinema.

    So, no.

    Current Mood: (:-|) impatient

  54. xandypandy
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    For some reason I was remembering Styr dying in the first climb which we have already seen haha thus why I deleted my comment when I realized after a quick wiki recheck my memory was fuzzy.

  55. Fang of the Faceless
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why people say the last 2 episodes have been slow. I could watch Tyrion talk about the shit he took at breakfast time and I’d still be riveted.

    I just find the characters to be interesting in and of themselves, while dialog and anything they actually do/accomplish is just icing on the cake.

  56. Arkash
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    I really wish the siege of the Wall will take several episodes.

  57. Turri
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    The more minor characters the merrier, I always say

    The Wall will get crowded in Season 4. Let’s make a quick count:
    sure: Jon, Sam, Mance, Aemon, Tormund, Ygritte, Pyp, Gilly, Rattleshirt, Slynt, Styr
    maybe: Dalla, Val, Edd, Grenn, Karl, Donal, Buckwell, Bowen, Thorne, Daerion, Hobb, Satin, Cotter, Mallister, Yarwyk, Harma, uhm…
    Plus Team Dragonstone to the rescue

    I guess they’ll need to keep it below King’s Landing level.

  58. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Fang of the Faceless,

    For S3E6, I think a chief complaint is the book deviations. As for being a slow episode? I guess those people either missed the epic Wall-climbing or somehow don’t count those scenes in their books as a multi-part action sequence, which they most definitely were.

    This week was almost entirely conversations. Speaking for myself, it was less thrilling on my first watch, though it was utterly magnetic nearly all of the time. No one’s dialing in anything; every cast member is dialing up their performances on this show. My primary disappointments were the Theon scene I knew other people would hate (and this week it’s hard to defend this storyline, as it’s both lavishly over-the-top and utterly horrible to watch without any OBVIOUS contribution to the plot) and what I found to be a shoddily edited encounter with a disappointingly clean bear.

    In the end, this episode rocks. I just found my hang-ups hard to ignore. I loved s3e6, and a rewatch has bolstered my apprecation for S3E7, but I found the most intense sequences in this week’s episode somewhat wanting, whereas the past few have balanced action and drama phenomenally well without missing a beat. If I had to pick a weak link so far, it would be The Bear and the Maiden Fair. The two setup episodes that kicked off the season are exempt from this assessment for their functional contribution to the season.

  59. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    At this point I’m more excited about what the GoT crew will do with AFFC and ADWD than what GRRM has in store for us with TWOW. Partially because I found those two books the fluffiest with the most potential for drastic improvements in storytelling through an adaptation, and partially because I know this will actually happen in our lifetimes. :)

  60. Jonathan Loesche
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink


    Episode 1: Jon recovers from his wounds, informs the Night’s Watch of whats going on
    Episode 2: Battle of Castle Black, Ygritte dies/gets captured
    Episode 3: Jon & Sam discussing things (LC election?), Mance’s army is within sight of the Wall
    Episode 4: Battle of the Wall. Giants charge the gates, Wildling vs Nights Watch, etc etc. All seems lost but STANNIS! STANNIS!
    Episode 5: Stannis offers to make Jon the Lord of Winterfell, Nights Watch election
    Episode 6: Stannis offers the Wildlings safe passage across the Wall, “Mance” burned alive by Melisandre.
    Episode 7: Thorne/Slynt/new character challenges Jon’s authority as Lord Commander. Jon hears about “Arya”
    Episode 8: Stannis leaves The Wall. Jon makes decision to have Wildlings man castles, several officers have a shit fit.
    Episode 9: Thorne/Slynt/new character openly refuses an order from Jon. “Fetch me a block”
    Episode 10: Pink letter and stabbing

  61. Michel
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    Nice to see that we will have some scenes for the wildings without Jon Snow. Could we expect to see more of Mance this season?

    Also, I think Orell wil die this season too.

  62. ebevan91
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Loesche:

    Episode 1: Jon recovers from his wounds, informs the Night’s Watch of whats going on
    Episode 2: Battle of Castle Black, Ygritte dies/gets captured
    Episode 3: Jon & Sam discussing things (LC election?), Mance’s army is within sight of the Wall
    Episode 4: Battle of the Wall. Giants charge the gates, Wildling vs Nights Watch, etc etc. All seems lost but STANNIS! STANNIS!
    Episode 5: Stannis offers to make Jon the Lord of Winterfell, Nights Watch election
    Episode 6: Stannis offers the Wildlings safe passage across the Wall, “Mance” burned alive by Melisandre.
    Episode 7: Thorne/Slynt/new character challenges Jon’s authority as Lord Commander. Jon hears about “Arya”
    Episode 8: Stannis leaves The Wall. Jon makes decision to have Wildlings man castles, several officers have a shit fit.
    Episode 9: Thorne/Slynt/new character openly refuses an order from Jon. “Fetch me a block”
    Episode 10: Pink letter and stabbing

    Uhh yeah… we’re not getting that far next season.

  63. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Mance will have one more scene this season. Don’t go looking for answers if you don’t want them, but that knowledge is in circulation right now.

    ebevan91,

    Yeah, I hope he’s joking…

  64. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Loesche,

    can not tell if joking or just incredibly stupid…

  65. Turri
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,
    WompWomp,
    gisizzlah,

    …or before (TWO)Winter is done, everyone you know will be dead ;)

  66. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Turri,

    Which would make A Dream of Spring just that, a dream? :..(

  67. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I just want George to finish before the show catches up, or worse…

    One of my biggest fears is something happens to George before he finishes. Everyday I tell myself it could never happen, but everyday I am less and less sure.

  68. Mike Chair
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: At this point I’m more excited about what the GoT crew will do with AFFC and ADWD than what GRRM has in store for us with TWOW. Partially because I found those two books the fluffiest with the most potential for drastic improvements in storytelling through an adaptation, and partially because I know this will actually happen in our lifetimes. :)

    Well put. I’m also looking forward to having the story lines of AFFC and ADWD woven together and told chronologically.

  69. Michel
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I wonder how willhis scene be? Okay, episode 8 and 9 will probably be Queenscrown, but wouldn’t the arrival of Tormund group at Mance’s camp in episode 10 a bit rush? Only 1 episode to cross the Wall and walk beyond the wall until Mance’s camp?

  70. Mike Chair
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe: Everyday I tell myself it could never happen, but everyday I am less and less sure.

    Everyday I say … “not today.”

  71. Turri
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    May the gods help those who are not ready when the Long Night falls.

  72. Zack
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Everybody keeps saying the episode 8 preview looks great but I don’t get it. But perhaps it’ll be inevitable that since I loved the episode everyone seemed to hate it’ll go the other way next week. shrug

  73. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    If you want a straight answer, Ciaran Hinds revealed in an interview that he shot a “reaction scene” where he’s informed of Jon Snow’s escape from their ranks.

  74. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Chinmay:
    SerCountryFriedSteak,

    I don’t think it was a mistake at all. I actually really enjoyed “The Climb”, it had a really nice flow to it and ended with a really good speech by Littlefinger. Didn’t enjoy “The Bear and the Maiden Fair As Much” because while there were some great moments between characters (Jon and Ygritte, Tywin and Joffrey), the episode didn’t seem to flow very well.

    Agreed.

    The Climb is a really solid, well-done episode with a lot of great stuff in it. The Jon/Ygritte stuff was great and they have a beautiful shared moment where they discuss Jon being only scared at the beginning – Ygritte’s smile after that is one of those knowing smiles that only two new lovers can share. You have Littlefinger’s great scary monologue. The great Cersei-Tyrion conversation. Arya’s confrontation with Melisandre. The Tywin-Lady Olenna throwdown. And the final great image – some say it’s saccharine, some say its “Michael Bay,” but to me it’s a well-earned moment of serenity and calm, full of joy, foreboding and worry, given how things turn out on Game of Thrones most of the time.

    The Climb, to me, is like an A- episode, and only suffers largely by comparison to the two episodes that preceded it, which rank only below “Baelor,” “Fire and Blood,” and “Blackwater,” and right alongside “A Golden Crown,” “The Old Gods and the New,” “What Is Dead May Never Die,” and “Valar Morghulis,” and probably just ahead of “The Pointy End” and “The Wolf and the Lion.”

    “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” is good – but behind all of those mentioned plus a few others. The flow is a bit off, the Theon scenes slow things down and are really distracting (enough already), and so it ends up being less than the sum of its parts — with the best stuff being Jaime/Brienne, Osha’s monologue, the Tywin/Joffrey conversation, and the great Jon/Ygritte stuff. In time, we may collectively start to regard this one differently, but after The Climb, it seemed like time to ratchet up the tension again.

  75. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Fang of the Faceless,

    No one’s dialing in anything; every cast member is dialing up their performances on this show. My primary disappointments were the Theon scene I knew other people would hate (and this week it’s hard to defend this storyline, as it’s both lavishly over-the-top and utterly horrible to watch without any OBVIOUS contribution to the plot) and what I found to be a shoddily edited encounter with a disappointingly clean bear.

    If I had to pick a weak link so far, it would be The Bear and the Maiden Fair. The two setup episodes that kicked off the season are exempt from this assessment for their functional contribution to the season.

    Good points. Very generally:

    –Having been a fan of the original Bart the Bear for years (he was in so many movies!) I will defend his cousin, Bart II, forever. I watched that scene again. Those Sullied of us who knew it was coming, well, watch again. IT’S SCARY! IT’S A GODDAMNED GIANT FUCKING BEAR! Ok, rant over. :)

    –This was a weaker “later in season” episode, true. The late-season of Season 2 — episodes 7 and 8 — were both very solid, strong episodes with a lot of important beats as the tension slowly rose. Great conversations between the likes of Tyrion and Bronn, et al. (Danys was a weak link at this time). This one has moments but doesn’t “flow” in the same way.

    –The first 2 episodes of every GoT season will probably end up looking like the “weakest” for time immemorial — because, as you state, the functional need to set up so much. That may change next year, depending on how things are mapped out.

  76. Turncloak
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    That’s really dragging out the dragon stone storyline. Total snooze fest if it happens that way

  77. Doug
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    I have read theory that they might combine Ygritte and Val and let Ygritte take on Val’s story with Jon. What backs this up is an interview Benioff gave where he said you might see people who have died in the books not die in the TV version. Personally, I would hate this, because Ygritte dying is essential for Jon’s character, but this is Hollywood we’re talking about here, and Rose Leslie and Jon/Ygritte is very popular. There’s no telling what they might do.

  78. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Hear hear, GoS. I don’t fault Bart II on any front. Of course he can’t be truly aggressive on-screen, but some added creativity in composing the scene could have gone a long way. To pull from one of my comments on the matter from the Inside the Episode thread:

    WompWomp:
    Nagga’s Kin,

    I think I put a finger on what irked me about Bart’s performance. The set and characters were all grimy and gloomy and he was… glistening. I think his wondrously glowing fur got in the way of my suspension of disbelief, that and the disappointingly not-so-dramatic leap Jaime took into the pit itself.

    I watched the episode again and enjoyed its richness, but I still feel the bear scene fell a bit short of functional in terms of spectacle for me. I only speak for myself (my words and perceptions are mind, not the arbitrary gospel concerning the show’s quality by any measure), and I’m thrilled at the positive reactions from non-readers and readers alike. I was just hoping for a bit more visceral drama to the scene than what was presented. I have to agree with some others, the sheer brevity of the scene didn’t highlight the gravity of Jaime’s actions as much as I’d have thought they would. Steelshanks could have done with a few more lines too, shouting to his men to help them out despite Locke’s opposition. At a glance, it looks like the men cheering for Brienne’s imminent mauling had a sudden change of heart.

    In short, it wasn’t Bart II’s performance I found lacking. It’s how it was framed, with a noted lack of sustained drama via the camerawork and some oversight from the bear make-up department. Seriously, I don’t think Locke’s the kid of owner who’d give his prized pet a good wash. Dat sheeeeen.

    I agree, it was the flow of the episode, not the actual content, that I ultimately found lacking (save for my voiced reservations, which aren’t all that passionate, really… knowing non-readers enjoyed Bart II was enough, and what can ya do about beating a wishes-he-were-dead horse like Theon).

    The North Remembers probably tread more water than most season premieres, but I remember S1E1-2 and S3E1-2 fondly enough. I wouldn’t call any of them weak. Sure, I missed a proper fight at the Fist, but they all served the show well in the end.

  79. Dogmayor
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    Wyman Manderly? I think you’re mistaken, he’s in White Harbor…why would they cast him in season 3?

  80. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    yes, but as I said, if Davos almost being beheaded happens this season then all of the Dragonstone crew will have to disappear for 8 episodes, unless they do an episode with them traveling, which would be incredibly boring. They could either stretch the Davos saving Gendry storyline a little bit, or stretch their journey to the Wall a lot. Also, how do you propose that they adapt that storyline without it being incredibly rushed and resulting in incredible amounts of stretching next season?

  81. ebevan91
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Dogmayor: Manderl

    I think he(she?) meant Wendel Manderly. Which is IS supposed to appear eventually. He was supposed to appear in episode 5 or 6 I believe, but I guess his introduction was delayed.

  82. ebevan91
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I think he(she?) meant Wendel Manderly. He IS supposed to appear eventually. He was supposed to appear in episode 5 or 6 I believe, but I guess his introduction was delayed.

  83. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Just rewatched the scene. Gets better every time. Bravo, Bart II! :D

  84. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Given this, let’s get some more posts about casting speculation up there! We’ve got lots to deal with for sure:

    –Euron Greyjoy
    –Victarion Greyjoy
    –The Damphair (could be a truncated character)
    –The Kindly Man of Braavos
    –Elder Brother (smaller role)
    –Oberyn Martell (we did this one, everyone’s all Alexander Siddig with this; I remain in the Said Taghmaouhi camp)
    –Val
    –Mother Mole (?)
    –Maggy the Frog (?)
    –Strong Belwas (I know, it’s not happening. Having trouble letting go.)

  85. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Would they cast Maggy? Sounds like flashback territory, and I’m personally convinced they will only show past events that must be shown for full effect, like the Tower of Joy, via Branback visions. Not sure who Cersei would confide this to (it would be like that “play with her ass” scene from S1 with Littlefinger revealing himself out of character) since a flashback seems oh so less likely.

    With David Peterson’s confirmation of approving the pronunciation of “valonqar,” I’m sure it’ll get covered one way or another.

  86. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Just rewatched the scene. Gets better every time. Bravo, Bart II! :D

    Here here!

    Agreed on A) the sheen of the bear (and really, who gets that assignment? Animal Wrangler in charge of making bear dirty is not my preferred job on the GoT set) and B) Jaime’s first look at the scene needed a cut to close-up of bear roaring. That’s about it. I sort of get what you’re saying, and also because after all this time, it felt a bit tacked-on to the end. The bear is pretty frightening, but I sorta see what you’re saying.

  87. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Would they cast Maggy? Sounds like flashback territory, and I’m personally convinced they will only show past events that must be shown for full effect, like the Tower of Joy, via Branback visions. Not sure who Cersei would confide this to (it would be like that “play with her ass” scene from S1 with Littlefinger revealing himself out of character) since a flashback seems oh so less likely.


    With David Peterson’s confirmation of approving the pronunciation of “valonqar,” I’m sure it’ll get covered one way or another.

    I’d kind of always felt that if there was one flashback they needed, it was this one. And yes, they may ignore it entirely, as they’ve done. While so many of the dreams and visions have been alluded to or ignored outright, most of the history referenced in the books comes from characters recounting events to another person – as has happened in the show. This was recalled vividly in a different way (and yes, others have had dreams, too). So anyway, you’re right – might not see this happen. I just visualize it, like, a LOT.

  88. argilac's antler
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think we will see him read the letter this season since they’ve already established him learning how to read a few episodes earlier.

    That doesn’t mean much. We also learned this season that Mance plans to attack the Wall and Joffery and Margery are soon to wed even though we all know those events wont be taking place this season.

  89. Eleanor
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Seems to be a thread where spoilers are allowed, whew!

    I’m glad they’re delaying the attack on Castle Black. The attack is very meaty: you’ve got near-delirious Jon warning them, all the preparation, new boys from Mole’s Town, different stages and plans, passing the Wall from one person to another, the immediate aftermath… to do it justice you need 3 episodes, I would think.

    Also, I agree with commenter upthread who said: too many deaths this season!

    On another note, I had a hilarious dream about how the ‘Rains of Castamere’ episode could start. A rundown of Robb Stark’s history with girls in comedy style, such as him trying to cry to make a girl like him. All leading up to: but he never knew how big a mistake his FINAL girl would be…
    Probably a good thing my unconscious doesn’t write GoT scripts.

  90. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Euron and possibly Victarion will only be in it IF they move the Kingsmoot storyline forward into season 4. As for the Kindly Man, I don’t see why they would want to cast him just for him to appear once in the season. With a cast as big as GoT’s, they will want to prolong the addition of new characters for as long as possibly to save money.

    My list:
    Returning cast that doesn’t appear in season 3:
    Maester Aemon
    Janos Slynt
    Alliser Thorne
    Lancel Lannister
    Balon Greyjoy
    Polliver (for the inn scene)
    Gregor Clegane (preferably in the form of Conan Stevens, not the other guy)
    Kevan Lannister (assuming he doesn’t appear in this season)
    Tommen Lannister (assuming that he doesn’t appear in this season)
    Robin Arryn (assuming he doesn’t appear in this season)
    Lysa Tully/Arryn (assuming she doesn’t appear in this season. We did see the Eyrie in a trailer though)
    Yara Greyjoy (assuming that she doesn’t appear in this season. I know we saw her in a trailer, but I don’t see where a scene with her will fit in, unless Balon dies off camera (which will be rather disappointing))

    new cast:
    Styr, Magnar of Thenn
    Val (she will probably be combined with Dalla)
    Oberyn Martell
    Ellaria Sand
    possibly Mace Tyrell
    possibly Aeron Greyjoy (although I want him to be the priest from episode 13)
    possibly Victarion Greyjoy
    possibly Euron Greyjoy
    possibly Qarl
    possibly Tristifer Botley
    probably Brown Benn Plumm
    possibly Oznak zo Pahl
    probably Reznak mo Reznak
    probably Skahaz mo Kandaq
    possibly Hizdahr zo Loraq
    probably Bowen Marsh
    possibly Donal Noye
    possibly Cotter Pyke (if they have the election in season 4)
    possibly Denys Mallister (if they have the election in season 4)
    a singer to replace Marillion

  91. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    There are just little snags that get me during the bearpit now, like the anticlimactic Jaime-Locke face-off.

    I was initially disappointed they only escaped from the bear instead of having Bolton men forced to “thlay” it, but researching the sequence made me realize Jaime is even more heroic for giving Brienne a lift at his own peril rather than surviving long enough for others to kill it outright.

    I still think Steelshanks is a weak link here. “And that’s what I aim to do!” is both unnecessary and pace-breaking, and he should have been eggin his men a bit.

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    If you haven’t already, allow me to direct you to Game of Owns. One of their recent podcasts includes Bryan Cogman. It’s one of their best. He admits the showrunners are open to new narrative techniques as the material may require. ToJ could be like House of the Undying, a real-time vision, through Bran’s perspective someday.

  92. Dan
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    That may be the route they go, but I think it’s just as likely they have the kind of clout to be able to get established actors (like with Orell) in lesser roles at this point. If I was going to bet on it, I would bet that they will still kill off Styr at Castle Black, and they want an established actor so that his pre-battle scenes are able to develop that character well enough so the audience appreciates the threat he brings to the NW at CB.

    Either way, it looks like the NW/Wildlings scenes for season 4 are shaping up to be pretty bad ass.

  93. WompWomp
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Dying to have Peter Vaughn back as Aemon, even if it was only for the B@CB. Kevan too. He’s another likeable Lannister who enriches the family’s presence, and one of the few people I can imagine elaborating on Joanna Lannister’s passing, which needs to happen. It would add volumes to Tywin’s already considerable character.

    Above all, perhaps, I hope Conan Stevens comes back as Gregor. To hear him tell it, he wasn’t invited back after revealing his Hobbit/Spartacus schedule despite his openness to reprise the role in S2. A Mountain of a mistake. All due respect for Ian Whyte, he’s better off as a White Walker than a pasted-beard voice-modulated body-padded substitute for a role that demands full physical presence.

  94. superkick
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    that was a terrible audition.

  95. xandypandy
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Season 4 should at least be a lot more condensed then 3 has been.

    -The wall stuff will be back together rather then 2-3 different perspectives.
    -Robb and co will be gone.
    -Jaimie and Brienne will join the KL scenes.
    -Stannis and co will eventually fold into the wall stuff.

    It will mean less jumping around and hopefully more time spent on each part.

  96. Ren Snow
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Kevan has been shown in trailers for this season

  97. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    I’ll attempt to answer in the spoilers…see below.

    Ser Tahu:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Euron and possibly Victarion will only be in it IF they move the Kingsmoot storyline forward into season 4. As for the Kindly Man, I don’t see why they would want to cast him just for him to appear once in the season. With a cast as big as GoT’s, they will want to prolong the addition of new characters for as long as possibly to save money.

    –Good point. I think they may want to add this to next season, though. Just a thought.

    My list:
    Returning cast that doesn’t appear in season 3:
    Maester Aemon – yep, assuming the actor is still alive. Peter Vaughn is great…and he’s 91!
    Janos Slynt – yep
    Alliser Thorne – yep
    Lancel Lannister – I guess.
    Balon Greyjoy — could we see him in Ep 10 this year? If we get the leeches we could get this, too. One scene. He dies. Boom. Gone.
    Polliver (for the inn scene) — Oh, yeah. We’ll get that. For sure.
    Gregor Clegane (preferably in the form of Conan Stevens, not the other guy) — Agreed.
    Kevan Lannister (assuming he doesn’t appear in this season) — Yeah, he’ll be back, one way or another.
    Tommen Lannister (assuming that he doesn’t appear in this season) – yeah
    Robin Arryn (assuming he doesn’t appear in this season) – Hopefully not now 12 and still breast-feeding (ewwwwwwwww)
    Lysa Tully/Arryn (assuming she doesn’t appear in this season. We did see the Eyrie in a trailer though) — I don’t think we’ll see her this year.
    Yara Greyjoy (assuming that she doesn’t appear in this season. I know we saw her in a trailer, but I don’t see where a scene with her will fit in, unless Balon dies off camera (which will be rather disappointing)) –I think she’ll get one appearance, yes.

    new cast:
    Styr, Magnar of Thenn – yep
    Val (she will probably be combined with Dalla) – yep
    Oberyn Martell – MOS DEF
    Ellaria Sand – maybe
    possibly Mace Tyrell — Sure, but who cares.
    possibly Aeron Greyjoy (although I want him to be the priest from episode 13) — Eh, I say bring in someone; just make it a lesser role.
    possibly Victarion Greyjoy – I think so. Why not?
    possibly Euron Greyjoy – I think so on this too.
    possibly Qarl – Probably not. Or he’ll be unnamed.
    possibly Tristifer Botley — Prob not.
    probably Brown Benn Plumm – Yes, a small role.
    possiblyOznak zo Pahl – I doubt this one.
    probably Reznak mo Reznak – Probably.
    probably Skahaz mo Kandaq – Ah yes, the Shavepate. Sure.
    possibly Hizdahr zo Loraq – Eventually yes.
    probably Bowen Marsh – These folk will probably be reduced/truncated.
    possibly Donal Noye
    possibly Cotter Pyke (if they have the election in season 4)
    possibly Denys Mallister (if they have the election in season 4)
    a singer to replace Marillion – Why not just use Marillion? Where did we last see him, in King’s Landing getting his tongue cut out?

  98. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I think the Locke-Jaime face-off works well. Jaime knows he’s finally bested this guy, who is driven by envy and resentment more than anything else. At first I was concerned about them losing the Vargo Hoat character, but Noah Taylor has done a really, really fine job as Locke. The way he spits out the “Your daddy isn’t here” stuff at Jaime was great. The show continues to add to its quotient of surly creeps, and with Kraznys, Locke and Orell, they’ve done a good turn with that this year.

  99. MRR
    Posted May 14, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Wait, people actually thought the attack on Castle Black would happen this season?

    Not a chance.

    I don’t think it’s especially hard to deduce for those who have read the books that Jon’s arc this season is all about his loyalty to the Wildlings, and that his arc this season is going to end with him fleeing from the Wildlings at Queenscrown (or whatever they might substitute for Queenscrown in the TV show). Next season his arc will be about him struggling to re-gain the trust of the Night’s Watch, and the season will likely end with him being named Lord Commander. We may not get two separate battles—the attacks from each side of the wall might happen at the same time for budget/story flow reasons—but in either case I expect Stannis to be arriving at the Wall near the end of season 4.

  100. Eor!
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    MRR:
    Wait, people actually thought the attack on Castle Black will happen this season?

    Not a chance.

    I don’t think it’s especially hard to deduce for those who have read the books that Jon’s arc this season is all about his loyalty to the Wildlings, and that his arc this season is going to end with him fleeing from the Wildlings at Queenscrown (or whatever they might substitute for Queenscrown in the TV show. Next season his arc will be about him struggling to re-gain the trust of the Night’s Watch, and the season will likely end with him being named Lord Commander. We may not get two separate battles—the attacks from each side of the wall might happen at the same time for budget/story flow reasons—but in either case I expect Stannis to be arriving at the Wall near the end of season 4

    For those of us that thought so, the attack on castle black does serve as the end of Jon’s wildling storyline (the attack on the castle, not the main event on the wall). He spends the season getting with them, then ends it by betraying them, which he does by making the sneak attack on the castle fail resulting in Ygritte’s death.

    Though since they apparently cut it, I’m expecting the next time Jon Snow and Ygritte will meet will be when Jon is sent to treat with Mance, and she’ll probably die in the fight.

  101. MRR
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Eor!: He spends the season getting with them, then ends it by betraying them, which he does by making the sneak attack on the castle fail resulting in Ygritte’s death.

    The betrayal is clear enough when he runs from them; it’s obvious that he’s thrown his lot in with the Night’s Watch when he returns to Castle Black. The audience/readers know that the Wildlings have been “betrayed” long before the battle actually happens.

  102. Turri
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    On the cut: Once Orell is dead, the whole “send the eagle up to watch for a signal” thing doesn’t work anymore, so that’s when they’ll have to go back.

  103. bon
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie,

    They wanted to shwo that Mel is a foreigner to all people in Westeros, is fresh with the language, in oposit is Thoros, who is in Westeros of 20 years at least, so they let her use her Dutch accent.

  104. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    I like Yorick a lot and thought he might make a good Mace Tyrell few years ago.

    Interesting to e casting Styr now and to have him look very “un-Styr-like”!
    That makes me think he is more of a combination of characters and not Styr proper…

    I like the idea of him taking Rattleshirt’s bit from the books even just to b another Wildling character to fill out the ranks. We have a very limited Wildling cat at he moment and 2 of them will be dead soon enough!

  105. Lux
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    So, WiC, do you know if the actor submitted this vid by himself? I saw the casting calls are just up on the net, and for actors all that is said is to send your headshot+resume at the postal address, is that it? No dvd with demo-reel? Seems strange, does anyone know?? Is there already more precise calls (for such and such role, not just “for extras do that” and “for actors, do this”..

  106. Jamie Newman
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 2:41 am | Permalink

    Love it – season 4 casting all ready underway!! :)

  107. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Jamie Newman,

    Seriously!
    This post made my day. Casting season is almost as much fun as the TV season! XD

  108. Jentario
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak:
    After watching these last 2 slow episodes, I think we’ve seen the result of putting the brakes on the story and pushing events til next season.

    IMO a mistake, but hopefully, they’ll get going with the story and season 4 should fly the way this season could have / should have.

    I agree, but at least we know that season 4 will me really awesome.

  109. jarnomiedema
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    Haha.. Cool.. I go to the same butcher’s shop as he does in Amsterdam. Recognized him, complimented him on his work and asked if he was interested in Game of Thrones. Said he was a big fan and was definitely interested! Turns out he wasn’t kidding! :D

  110. Brian
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Didn’t they “leak” an audition tape for Vargo, yet he was never cast?

    How does this confirm anything?

  111. Door
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 5:51 am | Permalink

    Doug:
    Valdred Dethstorm,

    I have read theory that they might combine Ygritte and Val and let Ygritte take on Val’s story with Jon. What backs this up is an interview Benioff gave where he said you might see people who have died in the books not die in the TV version. Personally, I would hate this, because Ygritte dying is essential for Jon’s character, but this is Hollywood we’re talking about here, and Rose Leslie and Jon/Ygritte is very popular. There’s no telling what they might do.

    I read this too, and it’s the worst. If they don’t kill Ygritte, they change Jon’s story completely and he wouldn’t be the same man he’s in the books. It actually changes his characterisation. And are we going to have those pining for each other forever? Ugh. I’m enjoying their relationship now, but only because I know it ends tragically.

  112. The B of B-town
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Ren Snow,

    Has Kevan really been seen in a trailer? Pretty sure I did not catch that. I imagined Kevan and Lancel might show up at Tyrions wedding , they should be in it really.

  113. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    I think QC will the climax of Jon’s story for season 3. Personally I don’t have a problem with this. They have built up the tension for this, with Ygritte and Orrel, plus it will be interesting too see how Bran’s story will be incorporated into this. I think Osha’s tale of her dead lover has a purpose too. As a Stark fan I also hope Jon and Bran meet up in person, even briefly. Jon’s story will then end with him getting shot by Ygritte with her arrow and him making it to CB where he will meet Pyp. Bran’s story will end with him possibly meeting Sam at the old Fort. The battle will probably only be foreshadowed by Jon warning everyone at CB. it gives Jon more to do in S4.

    Also in S4: will Satin and the prostitutes be introduced? Will Stannis and co show up at the wall before the battle?; will Janos and Alliser take Jon before the battle? Will Sam replace Donal Noye? Maybe Val will also be introduced in S4. However, if Ygritte dies and Jon prepares for the bigger battle grieving for her, preparing the Wall for war, while he reconnects with his NW brothers and Sam, it would be an adequate arc for S4

  114. Chickenduck
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Brian:
    Didn’t they “leak” an audition tape for Vargo, yet he was never cast?

    This thought crosses my mind any time there are “leaked audition tapes”. I was pretty sure the Vargo one was fake even back then – like the actor was just trying to generate publicity.

    The “Ramsay” video I also thought was a fake done as a publicity stunt by a wannabe actor, but then it turned to be legit, in that it was dialogue used in the show by the guards who chased Theon down on the horse and threatened to rape him.

  115. The B of B-town
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Someone should really update the Cast page on this website. Change the pictures and include the other characters like Rast, Barriston, Davos, Karl etc etc that are not on the list. I dont know why I gain so much satisfaction and entertainment by looking down a full cast list with lots of pretty cast pictures from the show….

  116. Nick Larter
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    I really hope they make Mother Mole a major character and maybe beef up that story line (even tangle Osha and Rickon up in it??), because I would really like to see the relief of Hardhome on screenin a later season Dead things in the woods…Dead things in the water

  117. Nick Larter
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Yeah – it was the audition for the Theon pursuer – no wonder we didn’t nail it when we were all trying to work out which character last summer.

  118. Nick Larter
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    On the subject of really cool casting trivia – did everyone see the reports where Gilly’s baby was played by an ‘Arya’?

    http://www.derryjournal.com/lifestyle/entertainment/game-of-thrones-role-for-baby-arya-1-5056636

  119. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:20 am | Permalink

    Also, something that stuck in my mind was when Kit said in the HbO-connect interview, that towards season 4, “Jon builds up a wall around himself,” or something along those lines, which could refer to either Ygritte dying in S3 (which I doubt), or him betraying her for duty. I’m also enjoying the love story because it’s so tragic in the book, so hopefully they’ll be sticking with this. What also helps in my opinion, is watching how well Kit and Rose play off each other (I know others don’t agree). It makes it interesting (in the last ep their dialogue was great), because love stories are boring in general, like with Robb and Talisa (with all due respect to the actors), but I thank Rose Leslie’s personality that comes through.

  120. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    speaking of Peter Vaughan, I am very curious as to how they handle Maester Aemon in the future seasons. Assuming he doesn’t suddenly die, he should be fine for season 4. However, beyond that I’m not sure what they will do. Assuming that the election is pushed back to season 5, Sam and Aemon will probably leave the Wall near the end of season 5. Then depending on how they split it, if they follow the chronology from the books Aemon should die either late in season 6 or early season 7. However, they might want to bring Aemon’s death forward so that they don’t have to worry about the possibility of Peter Vaughan dying between seasons, and them having to say ‘oh, Maester Aemon suddenly died between seasons’

  121. stunningsteve
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 7:51 am | Permalink

    The B of B-town:
    Ren Snow,

    Has Kevan really been seen in a trailer? Pretty sure I did not catch that. I imagined Kevan and Lancel might show up at Tyrions wedding , they should be in it really.

    You can see Kevan standing behind Tywin in the preview for the next episode. (0:29)
    However no sign of Lancel.

  122. Anvil
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    stunningsteve: You can see Kevan standing behind Tywin in the preview for the next episode. (0:29)
    However no sign of Lancel.

    Eugene Simon has already confirmed his absence in season 3.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCkUnzMvS0Q

    €: That doesn’t look like Ian Gelder as Kevan in the preview.

  123. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Door: I read this too, and it’s the worst. If they don’t kill Ygritte, they change Jon’s story completely and he wouldn’t be the same man he’s in the books. It actually changes his characterisation. And are we going to have those pining for each other forever? Ugh. I’m enjoying their relationship now, but only because I know it ends tragically.

    Oy, here we go again. The season’s not even over, this hasn’t even been filmed, and people are already bitching about changes that haven’t been made. Remember – up until this point, all of the primary characters are in the same place as they would be expected to be. All of the big moments – death of Ned, King Robert, Lord Commander Mormont, Tyrion/Sansa’s impending wedding – have happened, no matter how rough. So let’s ease off on this a bit, please.

  124. WompWomp
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    While I’d love to have him back, I don’t see the full Maester Aemon arc in him. This is a concession I’d be happy enough to see on the show. Have him appear again in Csstle Black, and he can “stay there,” but send Sam and Gilly on their way. Shouldn’t be too difficult to shift the material that much, and we get some nice continuity.

  125. zod
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Door,

    Unlikely. The line “I don’t ever want to leave this cave, Jon Snow” probably made it into the show so that they could use it later for her last words to Jon, just like in the books.

  126. Mark
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Insomia,

    including ygritte’s… she dies at the battle of castle black

  127. OtherAndrew
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    The Vargo tape was real. It had the exact (invented) dialogue from the hand-cutting scene.

  128. The B of B-town
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    stunningsteve,

    That does not look anything like the actor who plays Kevan im afraid. It is an episode he could well be in though

  129. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,
    Regarding the bear, I thought he was pretty damn scary. That stomp and sweep motion as a signal just before the charge…. /shudder

  130. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Ser Tahu,

    Above all, perhaps, I hope Conan Stevens comes back as Gregor. To hear him tell it, he wasn’t invited back after revealing his Hobbit/Spartacus schedule despite his openness to reprise the role in S2. A Mountain of a mistake. All due respect for Ian Whyte, he’s better off as a White Walker than a pasted-beard voice-modulated body-padded substitute for a role that demands full physical presence.

    Word. I hope WiC and the fans would push for this and let the showrunners know how much his performance was appreciated, and how much he is missed. Only two things annoy me about the show: the Greatjon’s disappearance, and Gregor’s transformation into a lanky basketball player (all props to Whyte in his other roles).

  131. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak,

    Personally I do not think they are putting on the breaks at all.
    They will be ending in spots about where I thought they should in every arc. The problem has been bad plotting. To have 2 episodes in a row that have little more than table setting did not need to be done.

    They could have moved events around or highlighted certain arcs going deeper into the story to make it more dramatic. Arya escaping the BWOB for instance. If written and shot right that could have been an episode closer. The bear pit scene should have built towards instead of just placed at the end of the episode last minute.

    Every year there will be a quiet before the storm, but it can be handled better than this year has been IMO. However, I will without final judgment until the season ends because the events could pay off big in the last few episodes.

  132. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Ending at QC was the obvious closing scene in my mind. I’m not sure why people though there would be a battle scene at Castle Black. For that matter I do not get why people wanted the PW this season either! XD

  133. stunningsteve
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    The B of B-town,

    I noticed the differences, too. However it is undoubtedly Kevan’s armor and the difference is not that obvious. Maybe they had to cast someone else because Ian Gelder had no time.

  134. Turri
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    xandypandy,

    I think it will be similar, since they are venturing into AFFC. We’ll lose Sam, Robb, Jaimie as independent storylines, we’ll get Yara (Iron Islands), Sansa (Eyrie) and Brienne’s adventures (in the second half), while we keep Stannis in the first half. So from 10 parallel stories to 9, and that is assuming no Dorne.

  135. LittleCatPaws
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Doug,

    Oh God please no, I detest the character of Ygritte and I’m getting utterly sick of her cocky face being in 99% of Jon Snow scenes. I liked the character of Val and she’s the total opposite to Ygritte so if they write her out for Ygritte it would just ruin most of the upcoming Nights Watch story for me. That cliched, 1 dimensional character (“kickass chick/ feisty Celtic redhead” yaaaawwn) being written out of the series was one more reason to be happy. Don’t kill the dream!

  136. LittleCatPaws
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    It’s not “bitching” it’s utter panic that because Ygritte has some popularity with fans they might wreck Jon’s story/char just to have her stay around. Who ever thought Ros would be in the show? Or that Robb would fall for a foreign girl talking to him on a bloody battlefield like he was some little foot soldier? They aren’t averse to changing things and women seem to make them lose their minds. So yeah, these thoughts and speculations have weight!

  137. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    LittleCatPaws:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    It’s not “bitching” it’s utter panic that because Ygritte has some popularity with fans they might wreck Jon’s story/char just to have her stay around. Who ever thought Ros would be in the show? Or that Robb would fall for a foreign girl talking to him on a bloody battlefield like he was some little foot soldier? They aren’t averse to changing things and women seem to make them lose their minds. So yeah, these thoughts and speculations have weight!

    My point is that you’re speculating, and then using that speculation as an excuse to freak out, without any evidence of it.

    At this point, all of the major characters that were dead by this time in the books are dead now. All of those that were alive, are still alive. “They’ll keep ____ alive because fans like her” is not really a sentiment that has held sway so far with the showrunners.

  138. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    They need to make amends with Conan Stevens and get him back to play The Mountain for season 4, if they use the stunt guy from season 2 the duel is not going to be as epic as it was in the book.

  139. jarnomiedema
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    They need to make amends with Conan Stevens and get him back to play The Mountain for season 4, if they use the stunt guy from season 2 the duel is not going to be as epic as it was in the book.

    I couldn’t agree more.. The guy who played the Mountain in season 2 had about as much onscreen charisma as the average tapestry that hung from the walls of Harrenhall.. At least Conan Stevens made an impression (and he wasn’t just tall like the other guy, be was BIG, which the other guy wasn’t)..

  140. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    jarnomiedema,

    Exactly Conan had an intimidating presence, you believed that Mountain could crush you with just his bare hands.

  141. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Agreed.
    It is fun to speculate on what D&D could do differently, but there is no reason to panic or rage on said speculation.

    Besides, how many times have we heard people speculate on some character being killed early to avoid them needed to return the following year, It has yet to happen. The opposite of keeping roles alive for fans has yet to happen also.

    The few ways D&D have adjusted the story are (outside of basic adaptation)…
    1) writing “extra” scenes for actors they seem to like writing for or like the performances of… ie Ros, Theon this year, Littlefinger in eason 1 and 2 etc.

    2) killing off minor characters early like Magoo or Marillion (maybe not dead).

    3) Shifting supporting roles around to adjust for actor availability.. ie Rattleshirt, Greatjon, Rakharo etc

    I won’t comment on characterization of certain roles….
    None of those actions have greatly changed the overall narrative so far IMO.

  142. Aaron
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Oh please God not ANOTHER Dutch actor! Their accents and looks are horrible -___- that porn actress really ruins Melisandre

  143. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    As much as I agree completely with you about Conan’s presence..
    I am just not sure that they need him back now honestly.

    In the much anticipated upcoming fight he is supposed to appear in full plate armor and be somewhat plodding compared to the agile and quick Red Viper. I think Ian Whyte can accomplish that. XD

    The scene really just needs strong staging, choreography and editing.
    (Personally I found the Clegne v Clegane fight one of the more lackluster fights of the seers. I don’t blame Conan or Rory though)

    After that fight scene he will never be seen without his helm or armor. Again, not sure we need Conan back for those parts ether….

    I would have loved to see Conan as Gregor pillaging the Riverlands though….

  144. Luigi
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Alas, poor Yorick…he won’t be with us for long.

  145. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Aaron,

    Carice van Houten has along TV, Stage and Film career, but no porn as far as I know.
    Maybe you are thinking of Sibel Kekilli who plays Shae?

  146. Juego de Tronos
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like this actor for the magnar of Tenn

  147. Aaron
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Aaron,

    Carice van Houten has along TV, Stage and Film career, but no porn as far as I know.
    Maybe you are thinking of Sibel Kekilli who plays Shae?

    Not “porn” porn, but she plays in a LOT of (unsimulated) sex scenes, so I generally just refer to her as a porn star, lol. She’s all over porn websites anyway with those scenes.

    And having been born in the Netherlands, recognizing that Dutch accent is so annoying @_@

  148. Michael274
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Aaron,

    What a fucking idiot you are ! When did Carice ever been in porn ? Morons like you shouldn’t even be allowed to post .

  149. Aaron
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Michael274,

    Lol learn to read on before posting. But even if she didn’t have any sex scenes, bitch is really ruining Melisandre.

    No other Dutch actors, thx.

  150. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Darquemode:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Agreed.
    It is fun to speculate on what D&D could do differently, but there is no reason to panic or rage on said speculation.

    Besides, how many times have we heard people speculate on some character being killed early to avoid them needed to return the following year, It has yet to happen. The opposite of keeping roles alive for fans has yet to happen also.

    The few ways D&D have adjusted the story are (outside of basic adaptation)…
    1) writing “extra” scenes for actors they seem to like writing for or like the performances of… ie Ros, Theon this year, Littlefinger in eason 1 and 2 etc.

    –Yep. Necessary to fill in the non-POV parts.

    2) killing off minor characters early like Magoo or Marillion (maybe not dead).

    –Or Amory Lorch, who got a dart instead of being eaten by a bear, and the Tickler, who was thrown from a window.

    3) Shifting supporting roles around to adjust for actor availability.. ie Rattleshirt, Greatjon, Rakharoetc

    –Right. Plus,

    4) Combining two parts into one to reduce the already-enormous number of characters.

    I won’t comment on characterization of certain roles….
    None of those actions have greatly changed the overall narrative so far IMO.

  151. Spoilersssss!!
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    LittleCatPaws: Doug, Oh God please no. Don’t kill the dream!

    Spoilers bitch!!!!!!!!!

  152. Michael274
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Aaron,

    And who the hell are you to say whether or not to cast dutch people ? Are you a showrunner or a casting agent all of a sudden ? And you say she is ruining Melisandre but you don’t even give a reason for it .

  153. Darquemode
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Aaron,

    Ha! XD
    It’s odd but I have heard that same complaint from more than a few other Dutch people!
    Why do you guys hate your own accents so much? XD

    I am not a fan of CVH as Melisadre either if I’m honest, although I do not dislike her acting so much as just think she is all kinds of wrong for the role. Not curvy enough or exotic enough for the Melisandre I pictured. Not sure her being Dutch factors in to my opinion though…

    Oh well, naught can be done now.

  154. Carne
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    As much as I want him back, they’re probably just going to stick with Whyte seeing as he’s been doing various other small roles as well (White Walkers, giant).

  155. dizzy
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Re: How Tormund gets back. Since the tunnel and architecture of the Wall’s lift system differ from book to screen I can see them having to trap the wildlings in the tunnel and seal it off somehow because there are no stairs (that we know of) in the show’s wall to collapse. Tormund and a few other wildlings could escape out the north side before they seal them off.

  156. LordNoga1981
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Matt,

    No way, Ygritte dying is pivotal to Jon’s character. They have to get rid of her eventually.
    As for next season casting, cant wait to see the Dornishmen. I see them as Spanish looking.
    Noga

  157. Hawk
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    yes, why freak out over a character’s potential change in characterization when there are already characters aplenty that have been characteristically changed for you to freak out about…

  158. AA
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    I looked back at last year’s posts tagged Casting and saw posts on these dates:

    - May 2, 2012 – Post confirming casting for Season 3 had begun; rumors about Kristofer Hivju auditioning, and rumors that Shireen and Daario will appear

    - May 16, 2012 – Leaked audition tape confirms Edmure will be cast – Very close to the same date that this post’s Season 4 audition tape leaked!

    -May 17, 2012- Extras casting call

    -May 29, 2012 – EW published a partial list of characters confirmed to be in Season 3: http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/05/29/game-of-throne-season-3-cast/. I remember that announcement coming out, I think that was about the time I discovered this website

    -June 1, 2012 – Kerry Ingram was cast as Shireen

    -Then very little seemed to happen in June, with a few announcements the end of the month/beginning of July – And then July 13 was the big announcement of the new characters and a video from HBO http://winteriscoming.net/2012/07/season-three-casting-announced/

    Point being, we are probably very close to a list of confirmed characters and casting rumors, and maybe 2 months away from official news from HBO

    Ser Tahu:
    I remember that last year there was a (incomplete) list of major characters being cast. Can we expect one of those again for season 4? And if so, roughly when could we expect such a list to be released? Also, roughly when did the announcements (or leaked announcements) of new cast members begin last year?

  159. Chump Force 1
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    The big announcement last July occurred during the San Diego Comic Con GOT panel. I would assume a similar type of announcement and video for this years Con as well.

  160. AA
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Also, I saw a number of people speculating about what characters would be cast, but no one mentioned Penny. I am hoping they cast her and her brother to perform at the PW and then disappear for a season or two until they need her again. Have people been speculating that they will delay introducing her, or was she just inadvertently left off people’s lists?

  161. Chickenduck
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    OtherAndrew:
    Chickenduck,

    The Vargo tape was real. It had the exact (invented) dialogue from the hand-cutting scene.

    Are you sure? I need to rewatch the hand-chopping scene again, but I don’t remember the “big d*mb bitch from who knows where” that was in Ned Dennehey’s (sp?) audition. But I could be wrong.

    Either way – Noah Taylor’s better than the guy in the audition was ;)

  162. Chickenduck
    Posted May 15, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    AA:
    Also, I saw a number of people speculating about what characters would be cast, but no one mentioned Penny.

    The most widespread speculation I’ve seen has been that she’ll be replaced at the PW by Ser Dontos. Then if they decide to keep her in the story, they’ll cast her later. I don’t know if they’ll include her though.

    One thing people have commented on which might be relevant, is that Peter Dinklage is fairly outspoken about not using dwarves in “freak show” entertainment, as used to happen right up until a generation ago.

    Not sure if that’s influenced D&D’s planning, although it’s somewhat different if it’s dramatised (same as Tywin and Joffrey being homophobes doesn’t make the show itself homophobic), so maybe Penny and her brother will indeed be jousting on a pig at some point.

  163. Flo
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Can’t see the video now ‘cos it has been made private.

  164. Turncloak
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Locke said those exact lines

  165. Lou Reed
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    I cant help but thinking that this clip is from last years. It seems to me that they cut out Styr, and its a bit late to bring him back now.

    Also this scene with Styr, if I remember correctly, happens where Bran and his band is at the other side of some water, in a Tower.

    If that scene is not until season 4, the Bran story is moving wayyy too slow. I’ve been waiting for that scene (finally some real acting for Hodor) all season 3, and it totally sxx if its not until season 4.

  166. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    I think we will be getting QC, Lou Reed, also looking forward to it.

  167. B
    Posted May 16, 2013 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I agree one thousand percent with you on the casting if The Mountain. That thin dude did NOT have the right presence for this role. He really was not even a good actor in my opinion. I miss the original and he needs to come back for the scenes to come especially with Martell.

    I so miss the Greatjon actor as well. I will miss his presence at events to come, but I know that was due to a fight between actor and producers. Such a loss for both parties there. Hope the producers swallow their pride and remember casting is part of what makes thus show such a success. They did a great job all around with this and should not cut corners. Sean Bean as Ned was what gripped everyone first season. Great actors and great script are the number one priority, fifty percent of good show.

  168. Shawn of Thenn
    Posted June 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    The guy from Banshee would be awesome for Styr he scared the SH*T out of me! He played an albino and it was like Styr already. Hes bada*s! Really big and scary
    He’s names Joseph gatt. He’s in the new Star Trek film with the weird eyes to and Kratos from God of War games. Heres Banshee http://youtu.be/0X13qiG7arc

  169. Paul
    Posted June 14, 2013 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Canadian actor Kyle Borges has BEEN CAST AS SATIN – the new recruit under the Nights Watch!

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