Episode 28 Preview: “Second Sons”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

“The darkness will devour them all unless I triumph.” -Stannis Baratheon

“King’s Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together. Dany meets the Titan’s Bastard. Davos demands proof from Melisandre. Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman.”

“Second Sons” was written by David Benioff & D.B. Weiss, and directed by Michelle MacLaren, who also directed last week’s episode. It features the introductions of Ed Skrein as Daario Naharis, Mark Killeen as Mero, and Ramon Tikaram as Prendahl.

Ours is the Fury: This looks like an exciting week for several characters with a confrontation for Sam, Gendry in a tough spot, and a major event in King’s Landing with tensions running high.


234 Comments

  1. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Hodor~<3

    After initial some disappointment, I’ve come to love The Bear and the Maiden Fair. Eight for eight, GoT? >:)

  2. Reilly Vinall
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    HODOR. But seriously, this episode should rock. SLAYER!

  3. Villane
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    This week’s got my favorite scene from the entire saga. “That’s why the God’s made whores, for imps like me.” If they fuck up that scene, I will be angry.

  4. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Reilly Vinall,

    My unread buddy has been dying for Sam to step up his game… :]

    Haha, gah. Too late to edit my first post. [laughs]

  5. Tereeza777
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Mero looks like such a hottie! Daario too! And Tyrion – with that drunk face and then with that really angry face! [Peter has quality and quantity of facial expressions like no other!] Can’t wait for this one!

  6. FlayedManofBK
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    cannot wait for:
    “The usurper,” he said. “Joffrey Baratheon.” When he tossed the leech into the fire, it curled up like an autumn leaf amidst the coals, and burned.
    Stannis grasped the second. “The usurper,” he declared, louder this time. “Balon Greyjoy.” He flipped it lightly onto the brazier, and its flesh split and cracked. The blood burst from it, hissing and smoking.
    The last was in the king’s hand. This one he studied a moment as it writhed between his fingers. “The usurper,” he said at last. “Robb Stark.” And he threw it on the flames.

  7. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777,

    Mero is pretty hunkish, but Daario gives me such a dickish vibe. Looks like Theon Killjoy’s met his match in terms of outright wangtasticity.

  8. Patrick
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Wait, is the purple wedding this episode?

  9. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Patrick,

    How is that even remotely possible?

  10. Patrick
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Patrick,

    How is that even remotely possible?

    I haven’t read SoS in years what wedding are they talking about? Sansa and Tyrion?

  11. zod
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Rumour has it that Daenerys will have a bath scene with Missandei in this episode.

  12. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Patrick,

    That’s fair. And oui, monsieur.

  13. MangoFarmer
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Patrick,

    The Veiny, Bulbous wedding, more likely.

  14. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Not to be a horndog, but I was a little disappointed at the lack of Qartheen gowns considering Emilia’s boldness in S1. It almost seemed out of character. That, and the dullness of the S2 arc definitely accentuated the absence. :/

  15. Yago
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    FlayedManofBK,

    Not going to happen.
    zod,

    I don’t mind, as long as they keep their mouths shut.

  16. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    FlayedManofBK,

    I don’t know, I’m worried it’ll be too obvious that Joffrey will die in Season 4 once Balon and Robb snuff it. I’d prefer them to use three leeches and say something more vague like “three enemies”.

    Looking forward to this episode greatly.

  17. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    MangoFarmer,

    Haha, I doubt we’ll see the purple and veiny wedding tackle this week, even as an epic prosthetic.

  18. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Yeah, it would be some major telegraphing a la the original House of the Undying. TV will make it more obvious… Well, I dunno. It would be interesting for people to be faced with the possible causal relation between the blood magic and their deaths. It’s not as much of a giveaway as Robb Wind in HotU would have been. And I’m sure some will conclude it was a coincidence since the plots were all in motion well ahead of Mel’s acquisition of Gendry.

  19. Eor!
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    I always thought that Melisadre simply saw the death of the kings in the fire, and told Stannis that she would cause them if he burned leeches. Mainly because of her uncannily accurate claim of Joffrey’s death, and she later states that she does such trickery to make herself appear more powerful

    High hopes for Tyrion telling off Joffrey at his wedding, we haven’t seen much of their animosity this season

    Also assuming the older man Bran/Co will meet is that Flint man they found, who will probably be the same man Jon/wildlings discover at Queenscrown (were they the same in the book? Just realized I might have missed that)

  20. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    The episode description has Sam and Gilly meeting an older gentlemen, i.e. a certain Walter White Walker. ;)

  21. FlayedManofBK
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Yago,

    :) I’m confident that it will. what makes you confident it won’t?

  22. Unbesmirched
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    So finally we get one of the weddings. And not Littlefinger’s or Edmure’s. The sentence string makes it seem like Tyrion and Sansa’s, but that might be a trick and it’s really Joffrey and Margaery or Cersei and Loras (although I don’t think so because they haven’t really talked about that one). I’m thinking it’s the royal wedding and Tyrion and Sansa just spend the night talking or something.

    Also, I’m curious about what’s going to go down between Tyrion and Joffrey. Looks heavy!

    Oh, and it looks like Arya tries to kill the Hound with a huge rock – could he be her “brown eyes”? Melisandre mentioned those first.

  23. Davy
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Woo for more Stannis time the next few episodes. Got really has a severe lack of kings. Way too less Stannis, Joffrey and Balon and way too much Robb. Sometimes it seems the only two kings in westeros are Joffrey and Robb. spoilers were broken sorry ]. But more Stannis is always good. I would like to see all kings more though.

  24. Cary Storm
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Eor!,

    The episode description has Sam and Gilly meeting an older gentlemen, i.e. a certain Walter White Walker. ;)

    Does that mean that Brian Cranston will be doing a surprise (white) walk-on role as Coldhands?

  25. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Hahahahahaha, you got me with that one! “White walk-on”… XD Just occurred to me that there was that swarm of ravens in the trailer. Still, there are also shots of an Other walking through the woods in a trailer. If we get both in one night, I’ll be beside myself.

  26. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    That’s what I assumed too. But either way it’s going to be a bit dangerous foreshadowing Joffrey’s death when it happens next season and not this one.

  27. GoT
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Shit, Stannis is the mannis. If he keeps staying this awesome, he’s gonna take the Iron Throne!

    By the way, what’s up with the Unsullied with the knife on Missandei’s neck? I don’t remember that passage in the books, but it seems a good move!

  28. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    GoT,

    Speculation from book readers is that it’s Daario smuggling his way back to Dany with the head of Prendahl.

  29. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    GoT,

    Ohmidosh! INTWEEG! o_o

  30. GoT
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    No, we shall have both Sam the Slayer and Coldhands on two separate scenes, because there is a S3 preview which shows Coldhand’s ravens after Sam and Gilly.

  31. Walter_Eagle
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Definitely appearing: Tyrion, Sansa, Tywin, Shae, Margaery, Cersei, Arya, Sandor, Sam, Gilly, Melisandre, Stannis, Davos, Gendry, Daenerys, Jorah, Missandei, Grey Worm, Mero, Prendahl, Daario.

    Probably: Varys, Barristan, Bronn, Loras, Olenna, Coldhands, Shireen.

    Possibly: Rast, Karl, Pycelle, Selyse.

    Unlikely: Jaime, Brienne, Jon, Ygritte, Robb, Catelyn, Talisa, Littlefinger, Bran & co., Theon, Beric, Thoros.

    Five storylines is less than usual, and two of them (Sam and Dragonstone) have been seriously underdeveloped, so I’m looking forward to more time with each group in this episode.

  32. Yago
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    FlayedManofBK,

    Too foreshadowing.

  33. Zack
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    FlayedManofBK,

    Eeeeeeeeee

    Epic epic epic

  34. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Im actually looking forward to Arya and the Hound more than anything. I loved their moments together in the book and they are two of my favourite characters (and two of the best actors in the show) so i hope they are given some time to develop their relationship instead of just a two minute scene

  35. Unbesmirched
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Walter_Eagle,

    Uhm, there are some names there that I think should have spoiler tags. Several of those I didn’t recognise.

  36. Eor!
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Eor!,

    The episode description has Sam and Gilly meeting an older gentlemen, i.e. a certain Walter White Walker. ;)

    Lol, I saw that but for some reason read it as Bran/co. Woops.

  37. bwar
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    what a chilling preview my hands are ice cold after watching!

  38. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Yago,

    Why the hell do you think they went to the trouble of having Gendry replace Edric? So they could do the leech scene. You can see Melisandre pulling a leech from Gendry’s stomach in the preview. That scene is gonna happen. Besides, the leeches don’t cause the 3 deaths. Mel saw the deaths in her flames and just wanted to make Stannis think she caused them.

  39. The mighty hodor
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    The stuff with Sam should have happen weeks ago

  40. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    I like the fact they’ve morphed Gendry into Edric Storm’s arc from the books, it’s going to give that story more weight if they adapt it correctly.

  41. Turncloak
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Looks like a fantastic episode. I predict Sansa will get a lot of hate after viewers see the way she treats Tyrion. A lot of viewers don’t put themselves in her shoes.

  42. Nic
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Daario….yawn. I was kinda hoping they’d cut him out. No Daario = no Dany acting like a teenager for the next two seasons. Sigh.

  43. Yago
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Didn’t notice the leech thing in the preview. Will look again.

  44. Jim
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Eor!,

    The episode description has Sam and Gilly meeting an older gentlemen, i.e. a certain Walter White Walker. ;)


    Coldhands is a white walker? It’s been ten years since i read SoS, so i didn’t even remember the character when he popped up in ADWD.

  45. ebevan91
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Nic:
    Daario….yawn. I was kinda hoping they’d cut him out. No Daario =no Dany acting like a teenager for the next two seasons. Sigh.

    Thank the gods we can’t read her thoughts on the TV series.

  46. Tabes
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    Agreed, I think all the episodes get better when you watch them over again. Especially the last one for some reason, it really grew on me. You know you’ve got some pretty special TV going on if that’s the case! Got a good feeling the last three eps are gonna be spectacular!!!!

  47. Jim
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91: Thank the gods we can’t read her thoughts on the TV series.

    Which should cut the Mereen sequence down considerably. This is a good thing.

  48. Felt Pelt
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    I have an unnatural desire to see Jaqen H’ghar reappear as a Greyjoy guard who throws a dart into Balon Greyjoy’s neck as he walks across a bridge. That’s all I want. It would imply to non-readers that Melisandre is not only lying about her powers, but has to hire assassins to accomplish them.

  49. WompWomp
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Jim,

    Nah, he isn’t. Coldhands is still an anomaly as far as readers are concerned. I was referring to the White Walker Sam is supposed to dispatch with his obsidian dagger, which I believe is imminent.

    Tabes,

    Yeah, my appreciation builds over time for some episodes in particular as I sort out my expectations and take in the show on its own terms. There’s been a lot less of that this season in particular, though. I’m also looking forward to a fantastic finish to an amazing season.

  50. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Unbesmirched: So finally we get one of the weddings.

    A political wedding between two highborn nobles is usually a very public affair and we’ve not seen or heard of any lesser nobles arriving in KL. Of course, given the war and Tywin’s desire to secure the “key to the North”, it’s possible the Tyrion-Sansa nuptials will be a hastily improvised event. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lannister guards frog-marched the poor girl to the Sept.

  51. Jim
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp: Nah, he isn’t. Coldhands is still an anomaly as far as readers are concerned. I was referring to the White Walker Sam is supposed to dispatch with his obsidian dagger, which I believe is imminent.

    Gotcha.

  52. easteros bunny
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Nic,

    Finally someone who agrees with me! I cannot stand that character, but it will make the fan boys happy.

  53. Iggy1eco
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion seems sooo pissed =o Can’t wait to see that scene!

  54. Carne
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    I really want Burn Gorman to appear again.

  55. JamesL
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    I don’t even think Stannis will mention Balon because the audience doesn’t even remember him or know that he has declared himself a king. Notice how in an earlier scene this season Stannis says “I want Joffrey dead, I want Robb Stark dead” but no Balon. We will still get some type of funeral for Balon though because Yara was in one of the previews but he won’t be part of the leech scene.

  56. ebevan91
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Iggy1eco:
    Tyrion seems sooo pissed =o Can’t wait to see that scene!

    “Then you’ll service your own bride with a wooden prick. I’ll geld you, I swear it.”

  57. JamesL
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    His character will probably take the role of Janos Slynt when Jon gets back to Castle Black.

  58. sunspear
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    So you think they’re going to create a massive plot hole based on what viewers may or may not remember?

    Keep in mind they’ve been mentioning Lysa Arryn all season.

  59. Chickenduck
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt:
    I have an unnatural desire to see Jaqen H’ghar reappear as a Greyjoy guard who throws a dart into Balon Greyjoy’s neck as he walks across a bridge. That’s all I want. It would imply to non-readers that Melisandre is not only lying about her powers, but has to hire assassins to accomplish them.

    That’s a cool idea, Jaqen killing Balon I mean. And it’s been suggested by a lot of fans.

    But to be fair on Mel, she isn’t lying about her powers, just exaggerating a bit. Both in show and books, she has “some” power, just not as much as she says, and she hides the effort it costs her. I like that they’re building the mystery of how much power she has – it’s already obviously a little stronger in the show than the book.

  60. Turncloak
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Balon will be in the leach scene. There’s 3 leaches on Gendry in the preview. The season 2 blu ray bonus material describes Stannis disdain towards Balon. Stannis will say something along the lines of “Balon Greyjoy, if it were me that sieges pyke instead of my brother robbery, you would be in the grave. I won’t make that mistake”.

  61. Chickenduck
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I don’t even think Stannis will mention Balon because the audience doesn’t even remember him or know that he has declared himself a king. Notice how in an earlier scene this season Stannis says “I want Joffrey dead, I want Robb Stark dead” but no Balon. We will still get some type of funeral for Balon though because Yara was in one of the previews but he won’t be part of the leech scene.

    They have mentioned Balon a couple of times – I remember definitely that he was name-checked when Torture Boy was taking Theon back to the dungeon. Although you might be right that he doesn’t figure in the leech burning, he still is important to the narrative of the show if the kingsmoot will take place late next seasons etc.

    Either way – I’m rewatching S1 at the moment, and it’s amazing how many lines there are that have been referred to again in the current season. Viewers’ memories be damned!

    My favourite – Syrio telling Arya “there’s only one god, and his name is death.” When watching Arya with the Brotherhood last week and basically said the same thing, I’d completely forgotten that conversation from 2 years ago.

    And they mention Dorne A LOT in S1. But I missed it the first time, as I didn’t read the books until after watching the first season and the name didn’t mean anything to me at that point.

  62. JamesL
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:30 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    I don’t see how Balon not being mentioned in the Leech scene is a massive plot hole.

  63. Eor!
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I saw a theory that they’d replace the leeches with the three fetuses, honestly still hoping they go that way.

  64. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Why would he take over the role of Janos Slynt? Tyrion sent Slynt to the Wall last season. Sam makes it back to the Wall as well. He would tell everyone about Karl(Burn Gorman) if he were to show up at Castle Black.

  65. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    What? Melisandre never hired a faceless man to kill Balon. She had nothing to do with him or any of the three kings mentioned during the leech burning dying. She just saw all of their deaths in the flames and took credit for them in order to convince Stannis to let her sacrifice Edric/Gendry. Euron likely hired a faceless man.

  66. Michael K
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Patrick:
    Wait, is the purple wedding this episode?

    no, it is the scene from Tyrion’s and Sansa’s wedding. Tyrion basically tells Jeofrey that if he touches Sansa he will kill him

  67. Chickenduck
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Eor!: I saw a theory that they’d replace the leeches with the three fetuses, honestly still hoping they go that way.

    That might also happen, but I’m pretty sure I saw leeches in the preview video.

  68. Kasie Strickland
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Patrick,

    PW is Joffrey and Margaery.

  69. JamesL
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Because I assumed the guy they cast as Janos won’t be returning.

  70. pnv1886r
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Seriously pumped for this episode. Anybody else think we’ll see Rast and/or Karl offed by the white walker before Slayer occurs?

  71. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I don’t see why he wouldn’t return, he returned in season 2 after (briefly) appearing in season 1.

  72. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    pnv1886r,

    Yes. I hope Rast returns with blue eyes. I also hope the show surprises us and secretly cast Coldhands. I’m not 100% convinced that this ‘older gentlemen’ is him. One thing that leads me to believe it may be Coldhands is Sam and Gilly running away from a bunch of ravens in one of the trailers.

  73. pnv1886r
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    I just hope that the combined Slayer/Coldhands scene is properly epic. It does look like they will be combined. We need a nice gruesome fate for Rast too. Also I’d like to see Grenn and Edd reappear before the season is out, if not in this episode.

  74. Clob
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Who the hell is that at 0:20 with the woman sitting down on him? Oberyn? It looks like they’re in a tent though…

  75. Meg
    Posted May 17, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    hate to say it (because he’s such an awful character) but Daario is really sexy

  76. Mel
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Could the older gentleman be a reanimated Commander Mormont? Sam proves slayer skills on someone he knew, more poignant than Small Paul…

  77. Daniru
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know what’s happening with the Second Sons/Stormcrows? I heard somewhere that they’re probably combining the two. But if they do, how will the Yunkai machinations and military strategy-ing happen? If the part where Daario brings Daenerys the head of Prendahl happens, what will happen with Mero? Will he escape somehow? Daario’s betrayal only worked because all the other leaders were dead. Mero doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to run away if Daario tried to kill him. But he needs to flee and then come back somehow for Meereen in S4…
    Either way that chapter was one of my favorite from ASOS and my overall favorite Daenerys chapter in the series so i really hope they do it justice. Anyone have any ideas as to how it will play out?

  78. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Clob,

    Daario.

  79. Daniru
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Also looking forward to Sam the Slayer, Coldhands (hopefully), Tyrion/Sansa wedding (the ‘bedding’ is one of the most powerful and emotional parts of the series), leeches and Arya/Hound!

  80. WompWomp
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Meg,

    Now you know how Dany feels, and how she could let him hijack a slice of her story. :P

  81. outdoorcats
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    This is OT, but is anyone else wondering what happened to Simone Boyce?

  82. Gareth
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Is there a reason why WIC consistently posts these previews several days after they appear on YouTube?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m still very grateful. I just find it a little odd that the same site that is so incredibly up-to-date with rumors, promo pics, and other miscellaneous GoT stories decides to post these previews relatively “late”…

  83. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Daniru:
    Does anyone know what’s happening with the Second Sons/Stormcrows? I heard somewhere that they’re probably combining the two. But if they do, how will the Yunkai machinations and military strategy-ing happen? If the part where Daario brings Daenerys the head of Prendahl happens, what will happen with Mero? Will he escape somehow? Daario’s betrayal only worked because all the other leaders were dead. Mero doesn’t seem like the kind of guy to run away if Daario tried to kill him. But he needs to flee and then come back somehow for Meereen in S4…
    Either way that chapter was one of my favorite from ASOS and my overall favorite Daenerys chapter in the series so i really hope they do it justice. Anyone have any ideas as to how it will play out?

    I’m more curious what is going to happen with Brown Ben Plumm as he becomes quite important later on. They have to have a sellsword company betray Daenerys and join Yunkai, but they can’t have Daario be the one to do that, as that would screw up him being devoted to Daenerys, his company’s continued allegiance to her, and him being a hostage for Yunkai. Also, we need Brown Ben for his later scenes with Tyrion, where Tyrion convinces him to rejoin Meereen just before the battle. If they were to combine him with Daario, I don’t see them pulling it off convincingly, as Daario just doesn’t strike me as being as smart as Ben Plumm.

  84. Daniru
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Yeah I forgot about him… But Brown Ben hasn’t been cast for S3 (unless they secretly cast him which I doubt), so they’ll probably introduce him later. Does he really do anything important pre-Meereen anyway? They could make him a Meereenese leader sided with Daenerys (like the Shavepate) who then betrays her. Sort of like what they’ve done with Locke; he’s completely different to Vargo Hoat, yet he serves the same purpose.Besides I think it’s quite likely a large portion of Dany’s ADWD story will be changed anyway, so I’m sure they’ll find a way to work Plumm in later on. I’m sure they’ll find a way for it all to work out.
    Also, I don’t really think Daario has much loyalty to Daenerys anyway so they might end up merging him and Plumm.

  85. Jentario
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Yeah, it would be some major telegraphing a la the original House of the Undying. TV will make it more obvious… Well, I dunno. It would be interesting for people to be faced with the possible causal relation between the blood magic and their deaths. It’s not as much of a giveaway as Robb Wind in HotU would have been. And I’m sure some will conclude it was a coincidence since the plots were all in motion well ahead of Mel’s acquisition of Gendry.

    Honestly, after RW, everyone I know who has read the books just KNEW Joffrey was going to die. The fact that it was obvious only enhanced it IMO and helped get me through the depression/anger of the RW. The leaches should stay as in the books.

  86. Jentario
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Eor!,

    The episode description has Sam and Gilly meeting an older gentlemen, i.e. a certain Walter White Walker. ;)

    His name is Puddles the Other, it is known.

  87. rofl
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    i’m not sure about ed skrein…he is too young for daario, mark killeen (mero) is the type i’d go for with this part… well, we’ll see
    btw, what fan nickname is for tyrion and sansa‘s wedding? i know joff and marge is purple wedding, edmure and roslin red wedding, but i’ve seen somebody refering to tyrion and sansa as BW, but i’m not sure what the B stands for… blue? :)

  88. Jentario
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Gareth:
    Is there a reason why WIC consistently posts these previews several days after they appear on YouTube?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m still very grateful. I just find it a little odd that the same site that is so incredibly up-to-date with rumors, promo pics, and other miscellaneous GoTstories decides to post these previews relatively “late”…

    It’s intentional. WIC releases it a day before the episode airs to begin the hype.

  89. Jim
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: I’m more curious what is going to happen with Brown Ben Plumm as he becomes quite important later on.

    Well, thet did away with the Greatjon after season 1, frankly i’m suprised at that considering Karstark came back for S3. IMO, if they have Brown Ben, he’ll be wallpaper with Daario doing all the smoldering. I’m against the combining of the Storm-crows and the Second Sons, also, because they don’t need to. Most of the mercenary companies could just be revealed in exposition and a gaggle of tough looking men that are announced as leaders of the various Merc companies with Daario having the lion’s share of the lines.

    We don’t need literally every minor character in this there’s only so much money to go around.

  90. Stephen Bosco
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know if they have cast Jinglebell? Or any of Robbs other bannermen eg smalljon, dacey etc even with non speaking parts? Also I hope greywind gets a few kills in. That would be pretty cool to watch.

  91. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco,

    First of all: use spoiler tags! To answer your question, not that I know of. They cast Wendel Manderly, but we haven’t been introduced to him yet. I have to say I’m really wondering who exactly will be getting slaughtered at the Red Wedding; of course Robb, Catelyn, Wendel and possibly Talisa will be getting it, but we haven’t been introduced to any of Robb’s bannerman except for Karstark (who left) and Bolton, or any of the Riverlords for that matter. I suppose they could have a bunch of extras in Stark armour at the feast, but the audience has no real connection to them. There’s a lack of Northern noblemen on the show which could become a problem at the Red Wedding. No Greatjon either!

  92. zod
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Did you really care about all those tertiary characters when the RW happened in the books?

  93. hargrind
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    It is a problem and a shame, but too late to backtrack it now. One of the biggest blunders of the show, imho.

  94. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    zod:
    Reverse Nielsen,

    Did you really care about all those tertiary characters when the RW happened in the books?

    There was a connection, no matter how thin. I got the impression these folk had histories, and they’d been mentioned numerous times. I wasn’t gutted, but it had impact – it reminded me of the battle scenes in The Iliad: we’re introduced to a character for one paragraph, then s/he’s killed, but we get a sense of their lives, where they’re from, what they fought for, etc. All very sad. I said before, even if there are a few recognisable faces at the R.W. (not characters who necessarily even have dialogue) then that would help heighten the shock.

    Saying that I love the show and can’t wait to see episode 9…

    EDIT: Stills from the next episode, I believe: http://imgur.com/a/1WsMo

  95. sjwenings
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    rofl: i’m not sure about ed skrein…he is too young for daario

    He’s 30. I don’t think Daarios age was ever mentioned in the books, but isn’t this about appropriate? Both as an arrogant swordfighter in his prime, and a loveinterest for 20 year old Dany? One might argue he’s a bit too old, even.

  96. OhManymous
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Jim,

    Well spoken, ser.

  97. A-Gone
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    Maybe it’s for a reason that she could post her reviews here, and that reason is gone.
    Get it ? :)

  98. Stephen Bosco
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    hargrind,

    It will still have a huge impact but I think it will not seem as serious without other named important bannermen getting killed. They will need to make it clear that these men around Robb are all key players in Robbs army and the war. In one shot it just looks like Cat and Robb are in the scene.
    In fact the whole Robb story season 3… seems like he has no important loyal bannermen around him at all…just his family.

  99. Tori Targaryen
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco,

    This is perhaps deliberate to create their aura of isolation around him and his cause, foreshadowing the downfall :(

  100. Turncloak
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    I didn’t really care about any of the bannerman at all in the book either except for the Greatjon. Shame he was not cast in seasons 2 or 3

  101. mariamb18
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco,

    Good point. In the books, it was clear that Dacey and Smalljon (and others) died trying to protect Robb. The reader knew that Robb had many loyal bannermen from important houses in the North and the Riverlands…and also understood that most of them died at the RW. For me, the fact that nearly every house in the North (and the Riverlands?) suffered a loss was part of the “gut punch.” If that isn’t done effectively, then the actions of Lord Manderly (and the line “The North Remembers”) in ADWD may lose some of their impact.

    Clearly, they cannot cast every minor character. However, the horror of the massacre is heightened in the books because we briefly met characters like Dacey and Smalljon. Rather than nameless soldiers, we got actual people, their houses and a bit of their personalties. I’m sure that the devastation of the RW will be well-done. I hope that the wide-reaching effects of it are communicated.

  102. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    A-Gone: Maybe it’s for a reason that she could post her reviews here, and that reason is gone.
    Get it ? :)

    No, I don’t get it. Perhaps you would like to elaborate.

    Simone is busy with some other things at the moment but she’ll be back soon enough. I’m sure she’ll be glad to know she is missed. :)

  103. Tenesmus
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Wonder if a certain older gentlemanwas once Mormont?

  104. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    King’s Landing hosts a wedding, and Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together.

    Can anyone say AKWARD?

    In other news…
    shallow
    …SHIRTLESS TIED UP GENDRY YES YES YES
    /shallow

  105. Juego de Tronos
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    It’ll be nice!

  106. Duval
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I’m quite suprised by the ‘Tyrion and Sansa spend the night together part’. Have we been introduced to the ritual of bedding in the series? I was kinda expecting them to have Tyrion say the “I swear it, i’ll geld you” part because of Joffrey forcing him to share the bed with Sansa, not because of the bedding ritual.
    Because non-book readers might not understand what bedding means and because of Sophie Turner being underage.

  107. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone else think the story Cersei is telling Margaery in the preview is about House Reyne of Castamere? It’d be nice to have some exposition in the show about the origins of the ‘Lannister song.’

  108. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That is what I thought of, I can’t really think of why though. Threatening house Tyrell?

  109. bon
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Duval,

    You really thinkthat none watched Braveheart?

  110. John
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    WompWompAfter initial some disappointment, I’ve come to love The Bear and the Maiden Fair. Eight for eight, GoT? >:)

    Nope. It remains the worst episode in the history of the series (it’s not good when there are more bad scenes than good ones, which was definitely the case in that episode). Look, it’s not the end of the world. Unless a show’s name is “Breaking Bad,” it’s going to make a bad episode every once in a while. It happens.

  111. Duval
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    In all honesty, it’s been a few years since I’ve watched it myself, so I dont remember there being such a scene.
    Besides, not having seen Braveheart shouldn’t be a limitation to your understanding of Game of Thrones.

  112. Matt
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The mighty hodor,

    Agreed. Imagine if it had happened in “The Climb” episode? The episode starts with Sam talking about his Dragonglass, then after the shot of Jon ontop of the wall, we cut toSam the Slayer scene to end the episode. Bet the episode would’ve been rated ALOT higher.

  113. Rygar
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    John,

    I couldnt agree more. The season has had many bad scenes but the good ones have been amazing and some of the best so far in the series.

  114. The Young Wolf
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    So excited for this episode!!!! Should be great start to finish! Some of my favourite moments!

    Also, looks like we’re finally gonna get some dark Tyrion.

  115. Clob
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Clob,

    Daario.

    Ohhh, I was thinking the guy shown at the beginning of the clip was Daario. I didn’t look at the cast picture close enough. The guy at 0:20 is in the back in that shot in the beginning. So I’m now assuming the guy I thought was Daario is actually Sallor (especially since he has a scar on his face). Right? Daario wasn’t quite as obvious without gold and blue dyed facial hair. :)

  116. Walter_Eagle
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Unbesmirched:
    Walter_Eagle,

    Uhm, there are some names there that I think should have spoiler tags. Several of those I didn’t recognise.

    They’re in the trailer and those names are in the WiC post untagged, not to mention most of the discussion here being about them.

  117. zod
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Clob,

    That guy is Mero.

  118. Clob
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    zod:
    Clob,

    That guy is Mero.

    Oh what the hell… Okay. I guess I should just stop trying to figure out new characters from short clips. :P

  119. Raztt
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Concerning the leeches, I was expecting them to ditch the leeches and use Selyses three fetuses that she keeps in her jars. Posted this in the episode thread where they were shown but everybody had moved on to the next post by then.

  120. bardgal
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    If you go to the episode on IMDB, the photo is of Tyrion standing in the sept of Baelor, holding what seems to be a cloak, so it’s definitely his & Sansa’s wedding. But the scene in the preview of Cersei saying, to what appears to be Tyrion and Margaery, “Every man woman and child put to the sword.” What the hell could she be talking about? She seems too calm to be discussing Joffrey’s death. I still think he’s going to die this season, but I’m starting to think it won’t be at his wedding.

    Sophie Turner said in an interview about this season, “Book readers are going to be super shocked.”

    IMDB has been misleading before – Lysa and Robin were originally listed as being in ep 7, but they weren’t (or perhaps were cut?) and was changed following ep 7′s airing. Now neither Kate Dickie, nor Lino Facioli are listed as being in season 3 at all. Perhaps the released synopsis for ep 10 is misleading too and will be changed after Sunday’s episode?

  121. WompWomp
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    John,

    Good gods, says you. You can’t disprove a bloody opinion with your own. There’s nothing to debunk here, only expression.

  122. Joan Català
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    bardgal,

    Others have also suggested the possibility of combining Tyrion’s Wedding, and the Purple Wedding, and having Joffrey die in the first one. But what happens to Sansa then? What happens to her future storyline? If Joffrey dies this next episode, then Sansa has to flee King’s Landing (if not her future storyline, and Brienne’s, will be severely compromised). With Littlefinger on his way to the Vale ONLY two episodes ago, and Dontos out of the picture entirely, Sansa’s alone and with no means of escape.

  123. Joan Català
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    What I’m most intirgued about this preview is the shot of a man, clad in Unsullied armor, holding a knife against Missandei’s throat?

    WTF is that about? I don’t recall anything like it in the books.

  124. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Joffrey is not dying in this episode or any other episode this season. Just go read the episode 10 synopsis. It says “Joffrey challenges Tywin”, which is the scene where Joffrey wants the heads of the men who rebelled, even the ones who bent the knee. Tywin tries to council him about forgiving lords who bend the knee and Joffrey shoots back and says that Tywin was afraid of Aerys and that he sat back with his tail between his legs at Casterly Rock while his father was out killing Rhaegar on the Trident.

  125. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    It is Daario disguised as an Unsullied sneaking back into Daenerys’ tent with the heads of the sellsword captains.

  126. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    John,

    I’ve watched the first two season of Breaking Bad. Like it but I don’t get the hype. Certainly think the first two seasons of GoT are better but it is like comparing apples and grapefruits.

  127. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    bardgal: “Every man woman and child put to the sword.”

    A few episodes ago, Joffrey was giving Margaery a tour of the Great Sept, highlighting some of the places where selected Targaryens died during the Lannister sack of King’s Landing at the end of Robert’s rebellion.

    Maester Aemon, the blind old maester at Castle Black, had already revealed his side of that story to Jon Snow in season 1.

    It is possible Cersei is about to provide her new nemesis Margaery with additional details on the massacre, no doubt in the context of a veiled threat.

  128. Joan Català
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I know he’s not dying yet. I was just pointing out only one of the many problematic reasons for which it won’t happen.

  129. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I don’t know, I’m extremely atheistic and refuse to believe in magic. Even in fantasy books! :P

    Ultimately, the shadow baby can be explained by the complex interactions of light with matter. The reflection of light off multiple surfaces as it diffracts through particles of smoke creates the temporary illusion of a smoke baby monster coming out of Melisandre’s vajayjay. Coincidentally, soon after this effect took place, Lord Renly began to munch on a peach. He choked on the seed and died.

  130. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Nagga’s Kin,

    I think ‘The Rains of Castamere’ will play during the wedding feast and Cersei will explain the backstory to Margaery. The TV only fans need to know that song and be reminded of it so that when it begins to play at the RW they will know something is up.

  131. Jentario
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Jentario,

    I don’t know, I’m extremely atheistic and refuse to believe in magic. Even in fantasy books! :P

    Ultimately, the shadow baby can be explained by the complex interactions of light with matter. The reflection of light off multiple surfaces as it diffracts through particles of smoke creates the temporary illusion of a smoke baby monster coming out of Melisandre’s vajayjay. Coincidentally, soon after this effect took place, Lord Renly began to munch on a peach. He choked on the seed and died.

    I refuse to believe you aren’t joking.

  132. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    “Only Renly could vex me so with a piece of fruit. He brought his doom on himself with his treason, but I did love him, Davos.” – Stannis Baratheon

    It’s in the text! Renly was killed by his own peach. The treason was the fruit!

    THE SEED IS STRONG!

  133. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Umm isn’t Nagga’s kin an Unsullied?

  134. Mike Chair
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    This is my neighbor’s dog. He’s a Siberian Husky. His name is Winter. His owner has no idea what GoT is. I miss Ghost. How about you?

  135. Nic
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    John,

    I’ve watched the first two season of Breaking Bad. Like it but I don’t get the hype. Certainly think the first two seasons of GoT are better but it is like comparing apples and grapefruits.

    Season 2 is the weakest. Watch until season 5. Gets better. Best show on TV, IMO.

  136. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Umm isn’t Nagga’s kin an Unsullied?

    Don’t worry, I avoided reading his spoiler. We’ll all find out what the fuss is about in short order anyhow ;^)

  137. Nancy
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco,

    I cannot begin to express how much I agree with this.
    Not having some loyal bannerman around Robb, I think was a blunder for the show. The whole North wants their revenge in the future is not going to make much sense since most people will be like, where were all these people when Robb needed them. I understand we are not seeing these loyal bannerman due to budget and time but I do believe the storyline has suffered a bit.

  138. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Nic,

    I agree that Season 2 of BB was weaker than Season 1. Definitely planning to stick with the show though, so no worries on that front.

  139. Hounded
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Nic,

    As much as I love GoT, Breaking Bad is freaking insane.

  140. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Is that a really small couch, or this that just a massive husky.

  141. Chickenduck
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Breaking Bad is awesome, but I prefer GoT. With BB, I got distracted about halfway through S4 and still haven’t gotten around to watching the rest of it. Whereas with GoT, I watched every episode as soon as I possibly could and am now re-watching S1 in conjunction with S3. I’d probably also put Mad Men above Breaking Bad at the moment.

    Oh, and how about his for a GoT-related topic of conversation – TV/film adaptations that we think are BETTER than the source material… OK, I’ll start: Dexter (the books are terrible, but I enjoy the show), Fight Club (book’s ok, but movie’s better), No Country For Old Men (movie’s a masterpiece, the book is “merely” very, very good!)

    With GoT I’d put the show and books on roughly equal levels of enjoyment for myself.

  142. Mike Chair
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    Ha Ha. There’s a person on the left for scale. He’s a big puppy. He’s only about 4-years-old.

  143. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    In my opinion, the show isn’t even close to the books in terms of quality. I’m no purist, I love the show wholeheartedly, and think it is the best thing on TV right now. But the books are just that good.

    Without any time or budget constraints, it still couldn’t be as good. The lack of internal monologue that brings so much to the books.

  144. Walter Harrow
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Cant wait for Arya and The Hound.

    Maisie Williams has once again been the best actress on the show and i cant wait to see her interact with Rory McCann (in a proper one on one scene)

    If Maisie Williams isnt voted best actress on this year poll (like she has been for the last two years) then you are all idiots :)

  145. Chickenduck
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe:
    Chickenduck,

    In my opinion, the show isn’t even close to the books in terms of quality. I’m no purist, I love the show wholeheartedly, and think it is the best thing on TV right now. But the books are just that good.

    Without any time or budget constraints, it still couldn’t be as good. The lack of internal monologue that brings so much to the books.

    I agree that the internal monologue in the books is great, because that’s what creates the whole world, builds the backstory etc.

    But for me, the books have a few weaknesses – firstly, I find a lot of the characterisations of the characters outside Westeros to be quite thin. Particularly guys like Belwas, the general Slaver’s Bay crowd, even people like Xaro, the Warlocks of Qarth, Illyrio (to a lesser extent). It feels to me like GRRM wrote a Westeros full of humans, and an Essos full mostly of 2D “generic foreigner” cartoon characters (ok, I’m exaggerating, but you get my point).

    Secondly, I find the depictions of sexuality in the books very teenage-male-centric. For example, if a male character is gay, he’s definitely 100% gay (even though it’s only strongly implied rather than explicitly stated). But on the flip side, there are no actual explicitly lesbian characters, but it seems most of the women are “potentially bi” and strong female characters can have a same-sex fling (Cersei, Dany). To me, that seems a bit like a teenage boy fantasy… wanting to imagine hot chicks getting it on with each other, but then going back for some “real lovin” with a man. Maybe that’s just my view though.

    Thirdly, I think a lot of the prose is clunky, but that’s a question of taste. I also think the pacing of the books after SoS goes downhill and he needed a harsher editor – but that topic has been done to death, so I won’t bother retreading it here.

    But all that is just my opinion – I’m not going to criticise anyone for disagreeing with me.

  146. Sky Aero
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Reilly Vinall,

    Chickenduck,

    In grrm’s defense, the RV is bi and it has been stated several times in the books.

  147. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I have unusual tastes by most standards. My two favorite books are ADWD and ACOK.

    On the issue of characters of Essos, I can’t truly disagree with you, but I love the Essos chapters myself. I love how everything seems so fanciful and different compared to Westeros. Especially Braavos. Unlike the bleak familiarity of the west, it is a different land you can only begin to know of.

    The sex just doesn’t really bother me. I’m not the kind of person to nitpick for political correctness or proper depictions of gay characters. I do think Martin has a thing for teenage girls though.

    It is probably because I read all the books in one sitting and didn’t have to wait for new books just to see very little happen in them, but I had no problem with the pacing. I love detail and travel and new places and things. The last two books had lots of this.

  148. Timmen
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I love GoT, read all the books, watch and go nuts waiting for the next episode with excitement. That being said, as a television show, imo, breaking bad is unmatched by anything on TV right now.

    Season 4 Breaking Bad is the 2nd best season of any TV show behind The Wire’s fourth season, but as a whole, Breaking Bad is the best. The story and character development is far and away better than anything I’ve ever seen.. p.s. did they say when the last season starts? I always see just ‘Summer 2013′

  149. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    anyone know if we can find a video of this panel somewhere:

    http://addictedtohobbit.tumblr.com/post/50591616225/maisie-williams-and-liam-cunningham-on-a-meeting

    Anything with those two in it is worth watching.

  150. The Purist
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    After a high from last episode, it’s back to the usual terrible episodes from tweedle dee and tweedle dum. I will be practicing my groans till the episode airs.

    Daario is making his first appearance? I can’t wait for the “OOOOHHHH, DAARIOOOO!!!” that people so love in the books.

  151. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    The Purist,

    Cool story bro. :-)

  152. The Purist
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Thanks, but it’s not as cool as your story of you wanting two separate threads for episode recaps all because people have different opinions on the episodes. :-)

  153. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 18, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    The Purist,

    That wasn’t my story dude. But whatever brings peace to the realm.

  154. Turncloak
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    One potential show change I can see: If Lysa and Robin indeed show up this season, I can see Lysa revealing the truth about how she killed Jon Aryn and sent the letter with false info to Cat back in season 1. I can also see LF throwing Lysa through the moon door this season after they are wed rather than next season when Sansa arrives.

  155. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    The Purist,

    No self respecting GRRM fan would say that last week was near his best work. And no, it wasn’t better than most of the other episodes. It was one of the only GOT episodes that didn’t hold up or get better on my rewatches.

  156. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    I think wic tries to pace us. Current episode chats sun nites .. recaps mon ..twitter Tuesday. Previews Thurs fri.. laughs sat.. open chat sun am. .. realnews as it comes.
    I for one appreciate having new threads organized so well. You can see the flow from one episode to the next

    Gareth:
    Is there a reason why WIC consistently posts these previews several days after they appear on YouTube?

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m still very grateful. I just find it a little odd that the same site that is so incredibly up-to-date with rumors, promo pics, and other miscellaneous GoTstories decides to post these previews relatively “late”…

  157. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    The Purist,

    No self respecting GRRM fan would say that last week was near his best work. And no, it wasn’t better than most of the other episodes. It was one of the only GOT episodes that didn’t hold up or get better on my rewatches.

    Agreed.
    I love GRRM’s works, but certainy last episode wasn’t his best. It was really slow, kinda boring, and felt disjointed.
    Hopefully tomorrow’s episode will be better. But my favorite so far is Ep. 4

  158. Tori Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Personally I thought the last episode was very good, don’t really know what people are bitching about. In my opinion, this season has been better than the last, so far. The Bear and the Maiden Fair was never going to top Blackwater, and did I prefer this season’s GRRM episode to season 1′s? Definitely.

  159. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    John: Unless a show’s name is “Breaking Bad,” it’s going to make a bad episode every once in a while. It happens.

    season 3 episode 10, ‘Fly’. one of the worst episodes of a tv series that I have ever seen. Also, most of season 2 and early season 3 was completely boring.

  160. Shan
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck:

    But for me, the books have a few weaknesses – firstly, I find a lot of the characterisations of the characters outside Westeros to be quite thin.Particularly guys like Belwas, the general Slaver’s Bay crowd, even people like Xaro, the Warlocks of Qarth, Illyrio (to a lesser extent).It feels to me like GRRM wrote a Westeros full of humans, and an Essos full mostly of 2D “generic foreigner” cartoon characters (ok, I’m exaggerating, but you get my point).

    Secondly, I find the depictions of sexuality in the books very teenage-male-centric.For example, if a male character is gay, he’s definitely 100% gay (even though it’s only strongly implied rather than explicitly stated).But on the flip side, there are no actual explicitly lesbian characters, but it seems most of the women are “potentially bi” and strong female characters can have a same-sex Cersei, DanyTo me, that seems a bit like a teenage boy fantasy…wanting to imagine hot chicks getting it on with each other, but then going back for some “real lovin” with a man.Maybe that’s just my view though.

    Thirdly, I think a lot of the prose is clunky, but that’s a question of taste.I also think the pacing of the books after SoS goes downhill and he needed a harsher editor – but that topic has been done to death, so I won’t bother retreading it here.

    But all that is just my opinion – I’m not going to criticise anyone for disagreeing with me.

    Word on all three. Every writer has blind spots — even good ones. Seems silly to pretend they don’t exist. If we couldn’t enjoy writers who have flaws, most of us would be left with nothing to read at all.

  161. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Tori Targaryen:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    don’t really know what people are bitching about.

    Mostly because it was filled with scenes that led nowhere and weren’t particularly interesting. Long, boring conversations.
    Yet another torture scene with Theon, as if that dead horse hasn’t been beaten enough.
    And the bear pit scene was lacking.

  162. Tori Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Again this seems to be a problem only to those who have read the books, although I didn’t find it lacking at all. You can’t expect something on the written page to translate the same to the visual medium. People I know who have not read the books are loving the show more and more, meaning that D&D are doing a good job, and understanding their audience

  163. The Purist
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Are you sure it wasn’t you? Because there’s not a lot of people willing to put their real names on this website. Anyway, if it wasn’t you, my apologies, maybe it was another Joshua. Though I have to say, I don’t know how segregation will bring peace as history shown us.

    Tyrion Pimpslap:

    No self respecting GRRM fan would say that last week was near his best work. And no, it wasn’t better than most of the other episodes. It was one of the only GOT episodes that didn’t hold up or get better on my rewatches.

    Who the hell said that the last episode was his best work on the show? I certainly didn’t. I still think both Blackwater and The Pointy End are better episodes that George wrote. I’m talking about compared to the other episodes this season, especially written by the terrible duo, GRRM’s episode is better. If there are any problems on that episode, some of the blame should go to D&D, since they get the final say and divert from the book that mess things up that George wouldn’t do. You don’t have to agree with me, but that’s my opinion. I don’t see how I have to follow this rule you made up that I have to share the same opinion as you do and hate last week’s episode as you do. Looks like it’s not only book readers that are self-entitled. LOL.

  164. Rafael
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    The Purist,

    In my opinion D&D are doing good job. The more you judge the less you love.

  165. Hear Me Roar
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Thank god!

  166. The Purist
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Rafael,

    Good for you, bro.. Don’t let people think you’re wrong because your opinion differs from them. As for me, after season 1 everything the terrible duo do makes me puke. It’s lucky they got to adapt ASOIAF, otherwise the both of them would only been known to the world as script writers of poor to mediocre movies. They should be kissing George’s foot every chance they got.

  167. Phil
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    FlayedManofBK,

    I don’t know, I’m worried it’ll be too obvious that Joffrey will die in Season 4 once Balon and Robb snuff it. I’d prefer them to use three leeches and say something more vague like “three enemies”.

    That doesn’t bother me because I wasn’t surprised in the book when Joffrey died, for that very reason. I thought it was pretty apparent that Melisandre’s predictions were legit at that point.

  168. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    The Purist,
    I see you’re back to provide some more good old trolling . And because of the show the books got more populat than they were so they shouldn’t kiss anything . But it’s nice to see what a blind fanboy you are to a guy who sat on his fat ass for 6 years writing a piss poor mediocre book and then complaining that people don’t like it as much as the first three books even though it’s obvious they are more superior to the latter garbage .

  169. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Crow’s Eye,

    Aww, I was looking forward to some more spoiler pics.

  170. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 6:26 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Why , all that guy was doing was illegal . Plus can you imagine what the reaction would be if he spoiled the RW ? I hope he gets his ass thrown into jail or at least taken to court and being fined for what he was doing .

  171. zod
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    Michael274,

    Overreacting much?..

  172. Tori Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    zod,

    My thoughts exactly….

  173. Hounded
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Tori Targaryen,

    I think he should be put on trial for treason then flayed then beheaded.

  174. Tori Targaryen
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Now that’s just mean lol

  175. NoFunAtParties
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Unbesmirched,

    You unsullied cry moar if we even accidentally incidentally reveal a even minuscule spoiler in your threads and get our posts removed so don’t come whining in ours about spoilers. If you don’t want spoilers stick to spoiler free threads otherwise can it.

  176. Olenna's Chamberpot
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 7:44 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know if we’re getting Roslin this episode?

  177. NoFunAtParties
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Tenesmus:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Wonder if a certain older gentlemanwas once Mormont?

    Mormont was killed by a human why would he turn into a white walker?

  178. Lost nose
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    I hope they show both weddings! What do you think?

  179. Lost nose
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    If we get red weddingwe will.

  180. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    NoFunAtParties: You unsullied cry moar if we even accidentally incidentally reveal a even minuscule spoiler in your threads and get our posts removed so don’t come whining in ours about spoilers. If you don’t want spoilers stick to spoiler free threads otherwise can it.

    This thread is not just for book-readers, it’s for everyone. Appropriate spoiler-coding should be used.
    That said, character names like Daario and Mero are not spoilers. An Unsullied shouldn’t know who they are, so the names have no meaning and won’t spoil anything unless someone describes their actions.

  181. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    The actress who plays Roslin Frey, Alexandra Dowling, has David Nutter listed on her CV as the director for her episode, so we likely won’t see her until episode nine, which makes sense.

  182. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    zod,

    How is it overreacting ? If you like being spoiled that’s fine but that doesn’t mean everyone appreciate this . And i’m right, what he did was illegal ,you just don’t do stuff like that and expect no punishment for it .

  183. Nancy
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Walter Harrow,

    You’ll have to call me an idiot because if the votes were today, my #1 choice would either be Gwenoldine Christie or Michelle Fairley. But we have 3 more episodes left so it could change.
    Maisie is very good for her age and if they make “Where’d You Go Bernadette?” into a movie soon, she should be a shoo-in for Bee…but they’d have to make it before she got too old for the part.
    I’m glad the leak was plugged. I’ll spoiler this Oona Chaplin posted on Twitter, get ready for a BANGING (her capitals, not mine) episode tonight. I have no idea what she could mean by that.

  184. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    NoFunAtParties,

    Not a White Walker, but likely a wight: the Wildlings warned Jon about this when burning Qhorin in season 2, and Ygritte asked to be burned so she wouldn’t come back. The W.W. can raise the dead, it seems; even if they were not killed at their own hands.

  185. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    It’s just her way of saying it is an awesome episode.

  186. Lost nose
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    Should have just said RW! But we will see both eventually?

  187. Modular
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Nancy,

    Likewise, I think you’re right that the absence of recognizable and loyal Northmen will reduce the emotional impact of the slaughter of Robb and those around him. Ironically, the show writers probably are trying to intensify feelings they are actually diluting (by focussing on fewer, more defined characters to whom we have grown attached and juxtaposing them against the soon-to-be-revealed traitors).

    This may follow from a simplistic understanding of warfare leading to exaggerated steps to emphasis the difficult situation Robb is in. Thus, Karstarks leave with “half” Robb’s army–disastrous!–when in the books it’s 300 riders–a heavy loss for sure but only one portion of his remaining forces. Previous scenes had already established that Robb felt desperate for men (most notably his anger with Edmure over the loss of 208 at the mill). Also afew words, let alone scenes, could have assured viewers he still had many good men around him (“…we still have the strength of umber, manderley, tully, and Bolton, but it’s not enough!”)

    the shortage of characters from the North calls to mind what i consider the writers poor choice to draw out Catelyn’s realization that Bran and Rickon were murdered. In the service of one dubious attempt to manipulate viewers feelings they lost the enormous impact of Catelyn’s learning of the terrible loss we viewers had just seen (staged of course, but at that point in the story we were all supposed to believe it). Both changes were also illogical, and therefore harder to process. No word got out from the north? Theon destroyed his Ravens-the sole means of rapid communication with anyone–Yara/Asha, his Daddy–to keep secret something he wanted people to know?! And in this case, one scruffy lord has half the northern forces? There looked like a lot of dudes downing mead in Winterfells great hall before they set out.

  188. sunspear
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Rafael,

    You guys know ‘The Purist’ is a parody account, right?

  189. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    What’s even more sad about the guy posting leak photos is he admited he wanted to spoil the Red Wedding and probably laugh afterwards like a stupid moron . I have no sympathy for him .

  190. zod
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Michael274,

    You want someone to go to jail because he posted some spoilery screencaps that you could have easily avoided. That’s what I call “overreacting”.

  191. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    zod,

    I couldn’t avoid it because they were posted on other sites that i visit and spoiled by a bunch of other trolls unwillingly. And like i said, he broke the law and he has to pay for it . Maybe not in jail, but at least a big fine .

  192. Olenna's Chamberpot
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Michael274:
    What’s even more sad about the guy posting leak photos is he admited he wanted to spoilthe Red Wedding and probably laugh afterwards like a stupid moron . I have no sympathy for him .

    He didn’t want to spoil it and laugh like a moron. He said he was looking forward to “sharing it with us”. If you don’t like it, you don’t have to watch, but a lot of people were grateful for his screencaps and he was being kind sharing them. Yes, his activities were illegal, but he’s not a troll looking to spoil things for people. Let’s face it half the planet is pirating GOT and that’s not legal. Crossing the street with the red light on is not legal, even if there are no cars in sight, but we’ve all done it. Calling for the guy to be jailed is a major overreaction.

  193. Olenna's Chamberpot
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    The actress who plays Roslin Frey, Alexandra Dowling, has David Nutter listed on her CV as the director for her episode, so we likely won’t see her until episode nine, which makes sense.

    Thanks a lot!

    Lost nose:
    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    Should have just said RW! But we will see both eventually?

    I know that’s ep 9. I was just hoping we’d be introduced to Roslin an episode earlier.

  194. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    Whatever , it seems like i’m talking to walls anyway . Yeah,sharing with us what, disrespecting the show and the producers and everyone involved in making the show and especially that episode, which he didn’t contribute anything to it ,by leaking pictures of the episodes before they air? If that is what you find kind, then i don’t want to know what kind is in your world .

  195. Modular
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Phil: That doesn’t bother me because I wasn’t surprised in the book when Joffrey died, for that very reason. I thought it was pretty apparent that Melisandre’s predictions were legit at that point.

    As for the leeches, Melisandre and Stannis can have essentially the exchange they did in the books , naming Joffrey, Robb, and Balon, and then people can make what they want of it. Clearly stating it, putting the idea out there, will be more powerful than fuzzing it up, whatever people think or know or guess or hope will come of it.

    For the record, I think all will die this season. although there are plausible arguments against the Purple Wedding occurring this season, and I see that it might be put off. For me, the arguments for the PW in episode 10 this year, the story progression, scream PW now. Multiple scenes in multiple episodes have set it up–touring the Sept, discussing clothes, politicking, and on and on; and the RW requires an emotional answer, an act to reestablish symmetry after the blood letting of the Northmen, a catharsis for our feelings of devastation . The idea that it can’t be now, or that the synopsis proves anything, are not compelling.

    So. As we close the book on season 3 in a few weeks, I see Joffrey choking to death and reaching out to his Mother, Arya having her first wolf dream as Nymeria drags her dead Mother from the water, and the crowds crying “Myhsa! Mhysa!” to Danarys as she rides into Yunkai.

  196. Modular
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Michael274,

    Michael274:
    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    Whatever , it seems like i’m talking to walls anyway . Yeah,sharing with us what, disrespecting the show and the producers and everyone involved in making the show and especially that episode, which he didn’t contribute anything to it ,by leaking pictures of the episodes before they air? If that is what you find kind, then i don’t want to know what kind is in your world .

    Agree. What he did was illegal and inappropriate. He should receive a suitable punishment. Our society depends on this quaint idea.

  197. BethHarpy
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Modular: For me, the arguments for the PW in episode 10 this year, the story progression, scream PW now.

    For me too. I doubt the Unsullied are going to be able to pick up the threads of the meticulously plotted King’s Landing story lines after a 10-month wait.

    And yes, I have also been wondering if “mhysa” could refer to Cersei along with Daenerys (and quite possibly Catelyn too).

  198. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    What is up with Canadian cable companies releasing the show On Demand on Sunday mornings? That is probably where the leaked pics came from.

  199. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    No, it wasn’t easily avoided. I read about Ros’ death here at WiC hours before the episode aired. Sure, it was under spoiler tags, but I thought it was going to be a book spoiler (I’ve read them). It wasn’t. So I got one of the few twists spoiled because of this dude.

  200. Lost nose
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Olenna’s Chamberpot,

    How do you know we will see her in ep 9? Shouldn’t the RW come before the PW which I think we will see tonight…..

  201. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Lost nose,

    The PW isn’t tonight. Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding is.

  202. zod
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Yes, it was. We already knew that early spoilers would find their way to the Internet, since it had already happened for episode 5. All you had to do was to avoid GOT websites for 12 hours.

    That’s what I call “easily avoided”.

  203. Michael274
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Huh, no it wasn’t ,like i already said, i got into another forum unrelated to GOT or ASOIAF and some idiot copied the images from him and posted the spoiler into a thread without any warning . And it’s all because of him . And that still doesn’t excuse him of breaking the law and being an asshole in general anyway . Read his posts on 4chan and you will realise what a type of person he is .

  204. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    zod:
    Hi-Fi,

    Yes, it was. We already knew that early spoilers would find their way to the Internet, since it had already happened for episode 5. All you had to do was to avoid GOT websites for 12 hours.

    That’s what I call “easily avoided”.

    It was all over Tumblr, Twitter, 4chan (unrelated boards), and even Facebook. The leaks were nice for book readers but I think the majority of viewers are show-only, and the leaks really proliferated around the web. We’re better off waiting for the episodes to air, I think.

  205. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Would you suggest that *I* avoid WiC for twelve hours before the episode airs? I was spoiled on Ros’s death as well, in the course of my moderation duties. If people are looking for spoilers, I don’t judge, but the person posting the screencaps on tumblr was being very careless about tagging them, and people there were exposed to graphic spoilers whether or not they were looking for them. Spoilers should not be pushed onto people who are not looking for them. No one expects shocking photos from an episode that hasn’t aired yet to be posted.

    I’m glad the leak is plugged, not because of any morality, but simply because it caused such a hassle for a lot of people.

  206. Jentario
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    zod,

    Would you suggest that *I* avoid WiC for twelve hours before the episode airs? I was spoiled on Ros’s death as well, in the course of my moderation duties. If people are looking for spoilers, I don’t judge, but the person posting the screencaps on tumblr was being very careless about tagging them, and people there were exposed to graphic spoilers whether or not they were looking for them. Spoilers should not be pushed onto people who are not looking for them. No one expects shocking photos from an episode that hasn’t aired yet to be posted.

    I’m glad the leak is plugged, not because of any morality, but simply because it caused such a hassle for a lot of people.

    Agreed. As a book reader I would have enjoyed not being spoiled about Ros since that’s something unique to the show.

  207. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Lost nose,

    I could see the having both big events this year, but not showing both weddings if that makes sense. IF they rewrite the KL arcs so that something happens PRIOR to the PW I think there is a small chance Joffrey could die.

    Honestly though, it makes too much sense to have the PW next season. They can cast Mace an Oberyn and establish them before the wedding. Plus, the PW is the perfect event to shape the season n KL. If it happens this season or too early in Season 4 then Tyrion is in jail all season. I do not think that is likely to happen myself.

  208. Timmen
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    No more nude scenes for emilia clarke confirmed, so dont get excited expecting sexy lesbo action: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10066239/Game-of-Thrones-star-rebels-over-topless-scenes.html

  209. zod
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Would you suggest that *I* avoid WiC for twelve hours before the episode airs?

    No. But as a moderator, you probably should have open a thread like that:
    http://winteriscoming.net/2011/05/episode-7-you-win-or-you-die-early-open-chat/

    An unmoderated place where people could have discussed the spoilers without disturbing the other posters. The problem would have been solved in no time.

    They did it on westeros, why didn’t you?

    Ours is the Fury: Spoilers should not be pushed onto people who are not looking for them.

    Yeah, OK, I agree. But… perhaps you shouldn’t be so judgmental about this guy (and spoilers in general) on a website where:

    - FaB wrote entire summaries for the first four episodes of this season, way before they actually aired.

    - The creator himself (alias Gutshot) spoiled a major plot point (and I’m talking about something unique to the show here) on another website by releasing an information he got from an extra.

    I didn’t want to get that last information, but I got it nonetheless because of WIC carelessness. You don’t see me whining and asking for him to be put in jail, though.

  210. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    The spoilers were posted for hours on this site before anyone realized there were truly new spoilers under the spoiler coding and leaked images. The damage was done, and obviously I can’t control what the person was posting carelessly on tumblr in the common Game of Thrones tag, where they spoiled, I would say, at the very least hundreds of people. That said, I’m glad the leak is gone.

  211. Shmurb
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Timmen,

    Hah! Good! Maybe slowly she won’t have to deal with half of her interviews (mostly with people who don’t really know what the show is about) just asking about the nudity.

  212. JamesL
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Timmen,

    I still don’t buy that. If thats true than why was she naked on Broadway and why is she playing a stripper in her next movie if she doesn’t want to do nudity on GoT anymore.

  213. bon
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Modular,

    I thought that after the campaign in the Westerlands/Riverlands his strenght depleated, you know deseases, injuries, battle losses etc. It means that some northern lords could lost 70% of their men to this point, rest 5%. But it can be that Robb was thinking about his forces in Riverrun (probably his striking forces), not the whole Northern army, especially Dreadfort forces, which became defencive force staying in Harenhall, being a shield against Tywin forces.

  214. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    That does seem odd…
    If the interview was done a couple weeks ago and just posted now…. maybe Oona meant Esme Bianco? She certainly had the most nude scenes in the first two years None to speak of this year…

  215. Lost nose
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I think the PW could be the next to last episode. And then the RW could be the 10th episode. This would set up the next season.

  216. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    JamesL,

    That does seem odd…
    If the interview was done a couple weeks ago and just posted now…. maybe Oona meant Esme Bianco? She certainly had the most nude scenes in the first two years None to speak of this year…

    Yeah, in fact I was fairly surprised that we didn’t get naked Ros scenes this year.
    She probably was talking about Esme.
    No naked Dany = Me unhappy.

    :c

  217. A-Gone
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Could you put up a thread about tonight’s episode ?

  218. Bgap
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Surprised some still think PW will be this season. Every indication is that it will be Ep 2 of season 4. GRRM has written on his blog that he’s already turned in his script for next year and it’s Ep 2. I can imagine David, Dan and George in a meeting a couple of years back and agreeing that George gets to write PW, if David and Dan can write RW. (ep 9 coming in 2 weeks)

  219. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Lost nose,

    I think Joffrey is in the episode synopsis for 3×10. so I doubt the PW is in 3×09.

    Episode 3.10 – Mhysa
    Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator. (Written by David Benioff & D. B. Weiss; directed by David Nutter.)

    HBO could be using misinformation of course, but I doubt it.

  220. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    In a way Ihope the article is not referring to Esme!

    If she told D&D no more nude scenes and then they killed her character I would consider that bad form! XD
    Just wrong…

  221. Zack
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully the episode will fade to black on Stannis tossing Robb’s leech on the fire and speaking his name. How cruel, to make viewers wait two weeks on that moment.

    I hate Daario so I may end up skipping those scenes if they’re as bad as they could potentially be.

    I’m looking forward to more Rory McCann tonight. One of the best minor roles on the show. Tyrion’s wedding should be fantastic too. And everyone is waiting for some movement, finally, for Bran’s group, they can’t stall it forever. Are we going to see Petyr at the Vale with Lysa? And one of my biggest anticipations tonight is Sam the Slayer, for Gilly! Should be perfect.

    I imagine we’ll not see Robb’s storyline this week (how many scenes of characters saying “Walder Frey is super grumpy all the time” do they really need?) I also hope they skip Theon and Boy, but maybe getting Asha would be cool. And I have no idea what they’ll do with Jon’s plot but hopefully it’s good.

  222. Jenny
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait so see my favorite swellsword

  223. Michel
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what will be the final scene of this episode...Coldhands? Balon’s death?

  224. Clob
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Timmen:
    No more nude scenes for emilia clarke confirmed, so dont get excited expecting sexy lesbo action: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/10066239/Game-of-Thrones-star-rebels-over-topless-scenes.html

    Too bad. Emilia is looking better than ever too. However, I wasn’t hoping for gal-gal stuff. That felt out of character for her in the books to me. The quotes of Oona in that article are surprising to me. She says she has no problem with nudity but it’s very obvious so far that she isn’t willing to show much other than her backside. They’ve been using the typical ways to cover her other areas in shots.

  225. Ned
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Coldhands?

  226. ebevan91
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Hopefully the episode will fade to black on Stannis tossing Robb’s leech on the fire and speaking his name. How cruel, to make viewers wait two weeks on that moment.

    I hate Daario so I may end up skipping those scenes if they’re as bad as they could potentially be.

    I’m looking forward to more Rory McCann tonight. One of the best minor roles on the show. Tyrion’s wedding should be fantastic too. And everyone is waiting for some movement, finally, for Bran’s group, they can’t stall it forever. Are we going to see Petyr at the Vale with Lysa? And one of my biggest anticipations tonight is Sam the Slayer, for Gilly! Should be perfect.

    I imagine we’ll not see Robb’s storyline this week (how many scenes of characters saying “Walder Frey is super grumpy all the time” do they really need?) I also hope they skip Theon and Boy, but maybe getting Asha would be cool. And I have no idea what they’ll do with Jon’s plot but hopefully it’s good.

    That would be a awesome way to do it.

    On screen, Stannis would actually seen throwing the first 2 leeches, then the throws the 3rd one, the screen fades to black, and he says “The usurper… Robb Stark”. Then it cuts to a new version of Warrior of Light (Stannis’s song) playing over the credits.

  227. Michel
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Why people think Stannis telling Rob Stark name a surprise? I don’t remember my reaction from that scene in the book because I read it a while ago, but for me Stannis and Robb were never friends, so that was expectated..

  228. ebevan91
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    Why people think Stannis telling Rob Stark name a surprise? I don’t remember my reaction from that scene in the book because I read it a while ago, but for me Stannis and Robb were never friends, so that was expectated..

    I wouldn’t call it a surprise, but since episode 9 is about to be here… yeah. Maybe non-readers would think that the kings will die in the order Stannis said them.

  229. Modular
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    your interpretation might work with the snippets of dialogue we’re given, but I would expect a casual viewer–and by ‘casual’ I don’t mean someone who isn’t paying attention or doesn’t care, I just mean someone who takes what they’re given at face value and who does not reach back to other seasons or the books to construct alternatives–then the plain words were “half my army”, not “half my forces at riverrun” or “half the troops with me” which, now that you mention it, would have been a quick way for the script to convey that this was very serious but not a 50% hit.

  230. Modular
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Bgap,

    Of course Process matters, getting good value from excellent acting, production considerations, HBOs interests, etc, etc

    But in a great show, which this is, the effect of those sorts of things appears around the edges. This amazing story they’re telling through the medium of television is the engine driving dialogue, scenes, episodes, longer arcs, etc. the story, as a serialized television experience will be best served, in my opinion, by the PW in ep 310. I’m not pretending to certainty, but that’s the way I see it.

  231. Jeff colaizzi
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Now that’s what I want to see. I’m kind of obsessed with Emille. I really hope they stay true to the books for the three weddings upcoming.

  232. The Purist
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Michael274: I see you’re back to provide some more good old trolling . And because of the show the books got more populat than they were so they shouldn’t kiss anything . But it’s nice to see what a blind fanboy you are to a guy who sat on his fat ass for 6 years writing a piss poor mediocre book and then complaining that people don’t like it as much as the first three books even though it’s obvious they are more superior to the latter garbage .

    Learn your facts, son. The books sold millions before the show started. D&D are barely known before GoT, except writing scripts for turds like Troy and the Wolverine move as well as bunch of other movies no one saw. I found Feast and Dance together as good as the first three books in my opinion. I found it laughable you call those books “mediocre”, buy hey it’s your opinion as misguided as that is. Let’s say you right, what makes you think the terrible duo will do a better job? They are screwing things up adding a lot of their nonsense that wasn’t in the books like stupid sexpositions, characters doing things that are out of character, etc. You’re just a blind D&D apologist. You just go ahead and keep polishing their boots some more and maybe they give you a role as a background extra like you’re dying for.

    sunspear: You guys know ‘The Purist’ is a parody account, right?

    I’m not a parody! You’re a parody! In fact, you’re the king of all parodies!!!

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