Episode 28 – Second Sons – Recap
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Prendahl, Mero and Daario

I hope you enjoyed that hour of Game of Thrones as we have to wait two weeks until a new episode (next week the show is taking a break for Memorial Day Weekend). Read my thoughts on “Second Sons” after the jump and then give us your reactions in the comments!

Spoiler Note: This post is for those who have read A Storm of Swords. As such the post itself and the comments will contain spoilers. If you haven’t read ASoS yet, you can discuss this episode in our non-book reader recap. Thanks!

Episode summary coming later…

What I Liked

Sam the Slayer – A truly epic moment as only Game of Thrones can do it. And saving it for later in the season makes sense. I’m sorry I ever doubted you, David and Dan! But let’s talk about how perfect this scene was. Michelle MacLaren slowly builds the tension, while also providing some great acting moments for John Bradley. And then the ravens ratchet the tension up to a fever pitch until we see through the darkness and fog a White Walker coming forward. The sword shatters and then when all seems lost, Sam comes to the rescue with his dragonglass dagger. YES! I loved the effect of the White Walker turning to ice and then shattering. I don’t remember if that happened in the books, but it looked awesome on screen. Great job, Pixomondo Entity FX. Great job all around!
Most Awkward Wedding Ever – This wedding was as awkward and pitiful as I imagined it from the books. Drunk Tyrion is best Tyrion. Although the comedy of the reception gives way to a great moment of tension between Tyrion and Joffrey. Well, that escalated quickly. And then there was a very poignant scene between Tyrion and Sansa. As great an actor as Peter Dinklage is, Sophie Turner is just as good. And she does it all with barely any lines, it’s all in her face and body language. Great stuff.
Rains of Castamere – Smart move by the writers to give us some brief exposition about the Reynes of Castamere while Cersei and Margaery’s burgeoning rivalry has me salivating for future seasons.
Power in King’s Blood – The Dragonstone stuff continues to be great. (Although in true Thrones fashion they didn’t miss a chance to throw in a sex scene.) Stannis and Davos discussing religion was a great scene with a lovely bit of foreshadowing (“a big battle in the snow”). I just love Stephen Dillane and Liam Cunningham. Fantastic acting from two men who get their characters. And Gendry being spared a full sacrifice thanks to Davos’ intervention was another smart change. Did she have to put a leech THERE though? Ouch.
Second Sons – I know they’ve made some changes here, but in my opinion they are good ones. Having Daario as a lieutenant of the Second Sons as opposed to co-captain of his own sellsword company simplifies things a bit while still keeping the main act of him killing his captains to win Dany’s hand in tact. It was nice to see that bastard Mero get what he deserved so quickly. Ed Skrein has Daario’s cockiness and confidence down pat, although I could do with a little less smirking. And yeah, he doesn’t have blue hair or gold teeth, but at least he still has his daggers!

What I Didn’t Like

No Coldhands – Literally my only disappointment in this episode is I thought we would get a glimpse of Coldhands to cap off the fantastic Sam the Slayer scene. Hopefully he makes an appearance before the end of this season.

This was a fantastic episode of Game of Thrones. Best of the season? Maybe. It is giving “And Now His Watch Is Ended” and “Kissed by Fire” a run for their money. I thought Michelle MacLaren’s direction really shone through tonight, both in those small character moments and in the big set piece ending. I can’t wait to see what David Nutter can do with these final two episodes. Many great moments are still to come.

What did you think of “Second Sons”? Leave a comment with your thoughts and rate the episode in our poll!


477 Comments

  1. Spryte
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  2. Sunny
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  3. ebevan91
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

    Solid episode.

    Top 3 this season IMO.

  4. GeekFurious
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    My biggest disappointment was the Sam “the Slayer” scene since it doesn’t happen in front of his brothers. The scene was otherwise executed well and I’m not going to set fire to my season 1 & 2 DVDs, but it will forever be a scene that didn’t come close to living up to my bookish needs.

    Otherwise, an excellent episode.

    Now… we… wait… 2… weeks… for… The… episode….

  5. Rebecca
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Whyyyy did Sam leave the dagger behind!

  6. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Really? I thought it was perhaps the episodes best scene.

  7. Griffon Reborn
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic stuff. I don’t have a whole lot to add. This was an episode where DnD needed to stand tall and deliver and they knocked it out of the park. Also, we got Carice/Emilia… so that was nice…

    Edit: Oh, my only complaint about Sam was that he dropped the knife. Kind of took the punch out of the scene a liiil because everyone I watched it with was like “keep the knife sam ya nitwit” but that’s okay, he has plenty.

  8. Lefty
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    “and now my watch begins…”

    best line ever

  9. House Snow
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Yeah I thought Sam the slayer was one of the best scenes in the series to date. I don’t get the hang up on his brothers seeing it. Seems so nitpicky.

  10. atomixign
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    LOVED it. One of the best of the Series.

  11. SubSandwich22
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Sam the Slayer!!!!!!!!
    Awesomesauce!!!!

  12. coronaking
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Did she have to put a leech THERE though?

    Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

  13. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    When Stannis revealed what he saw in the fire was it a possible TWOW spoiler? Would he be so hyped about the battle of Winterfell if he doesn’t win?

  14. Anne
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m wondering why aren’t they showing Dragonstone on the map in the credits? They showed Harrenhall and Riverrun, but we didn’t even go there.

    Good episode though. Longer scenes, no frenetic jumping from place to place.

  15. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    When Stannis revealed what he saw in the fire was it a possible TWOW spoiler?Would he be so hyped about the battle of Winterfell if he doesn’t win?

    Pretty sure it was foreshadowing for the battle at the Wall, which David & Dan have already confirmed to be in next season.

  16. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    The sex scene made perfect sense. She wanted his blood. His blood was flowing heavily down there, that’s for sure.

  17. Rains of Kristomere
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    I cant believe we didnt get to see Coldhand’s, even the synopsis hinted at it.
    but we did get Leaches which was something I feared they would have cut.

  18. Isabelle
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    “Many great moments are still to come.”

    Really? I can’t quite think of any. ; )

    “Did she have to put a leech THERE though? Ouch.”

    SERIOUSLY. At least they didn’t show it–I was worried they would for a bit.

    Also, the actor playing Mero did a terrific job–we got who he was immediately and started hating him in about two seconds. He really made the most of his, what, two scenes? The casting continues to be outstanding.

  19. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    coronaking,

    Har!!!!

    Now I just need to see Roose Bolton taking a bath and my leech needs will be complete.

  20. Mark
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Solid episode, and no Theon torture so we don’t have to hear all the whining about it! But holy crap, from the preview, the next week looks jam packed with potential awesome. The Queenscrown criss-cross, Robb and Cat before the RW, the entire leadup to the RW, the actual RW, more Arya and the Hound (I wonder if they’ll get to the Twins or they’ll save that for next week), and the sack of Yunkai WITH actual fighting shown??? I just hope it’s not too tightly packed. So many big moments. I assume Coldhands will be Ep10, I didn’t mind that they left him out, it fits with the show’s formula of leaving things on a more high tension moment. And I’m not sure we’ll see Balon’s death until season 4 at this point, it might be as a sort of prologue type thing in the first episode.

    Rebecca,

    I’ve seen this complaint a lot, but didn’t Sam find the dragonglass cache in the show? Shouldn’t he have plenty more? Or am I mistaken?

  21. Sunny
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Anne:
    I’m wondering why aren’t they showing Dragonstone on the map in the credits? They showed Harrenhall and Riverrun, but we didn’t even go there.

    Good episode though. Longer scenes, no frenetic jumping from place to place.

    They are showing Dragonstone.

  22. Mark
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Rains of Kristomere:
    I cant believe we didnt get to see Coldhand’s, even the synopsis hinted at it.
    but we did get Leaches which was something I feared they would have cut.
    and If i recall in the books it was Barristan who killed The Titans Bastard in the books?

    Yeah in the books he tails along with Dany’s rabble of freedmen, and makes a play at taking her out when she’s walking among her people. Not surprised this got cut. Cool moment in the book, but not really necessary, especially if they show Barristan kicking some ass next ep.

  23. Isabelle
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    coronaking:

    Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

    : ) Truly poetic, Ser.

  24. Rains of Kristomere
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    the reason she put it there is because it was were all the blood was rushing to.

  25. gisizzlah
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Oh I enjoyed this episode through and through…. I agree that the wedding was beautifully awkward…. ed skerin nails daario hands down…… I got girl wood…loved it!!! 5 stars!!

  26. Uberstellar
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Dude, Daario is completely unacceptable. Obvious skeevy, greasy creep has motivation- the reader and Dany could recognize a manipulative man from the first. I was more comfortable with the book character taking clear advantage; this pseudo romantic figure from the show makes no sense! I could buy badass Dany getting the hots for an obvious bad boy- I can’t buy her falling for the tv portrayal. Also, sorry, but did he really have to be so white?

  27. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Creators were trolling the Book-readers again!
    “You haven’t met my brother” and that (non)poisoned wine scene

  28. xandypandy
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I think he meant the battle at the wall

  29. Hard Truths
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Was definitely one of three best episodes of the season. I’m glad they kept the leeches the scene in. I do think that Mel is still going to try and sacrifice Gendry though; I think the leeches are just to prove Gendry’s power to Stannis.

    Sucks there is no episode next weekend. The two week delay doesn’t make much sense if HBO really does not care about the live ratings.

  30. Dederic Taplin
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    For me, one of the scenes that I have been waiting on was the leaches scene from the books. The series did a good depiction. Also, Sam has plenty of dragon glass and I thought that it was a one use thing. Cannot wait for the last 2 episodes AND season 4!

  31. Rahbur
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Maybe coming late to the table, but … why the 2 week delay in Ep 9?

    Great episode! We got more time with each grouping/pair of characters, which was nice. The wedding was fantastic. And Sam the Slayer had me on the edge of my seat, as did Dragonstone Leeches. Love embracing the new scenes/surprises.

    My nonbook reader husband is very intrigued by the Hound/Arya development. “amazing that one of the worst characters has the most redeemable qualities”. Classic GRRM.

    So sad season 3 is coming to a close.

  32. Dany's Little Sister
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Two words —– Daario Naharis!!!!!!!!

  33. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    coronaking: Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  34. Mark
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    House Snow:
    Yeah I thought Sam the slayer was one of the best scenes in the series to date.I don’t get the hang up on his brothers seeing it.Seems so nitpicky.

    Agreed. If anything, now, when he shows up claiming to have killed a WW with dragonglass, it’ll actually be an insult when they call him Sam the Slayer, and it’ll give a bit more pretense for his research on the WW. Jon and Aemon will believe him, others won’t and they’ll mock him with it.

  35. Dogmayor
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Stannis is the mannis. I think this episode has done a lot to bring his character back in line with his book counterpart.

    Was a little disappointed that Mero got shortened by a head and we won’t get Barristan showing what he’s got mano a mano.

  36. Lin Beifunk
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    WAIT A SECOND EVERYONE

    where’s Tommen been this season

  37. Clob
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    I just thought of it now… Gendry didn’t “finish” when Mel stopped, right? It certainly didn’t appear that he did. So, what other purpose did it serve Mel other than just wanting a bit of the young buck? :)

    I enjoyed the ‘Slayer’ scene even though it wasn’t during this chapter/scene in the book. I expected this scene as it was in the book with a bunch of wights being attacked by ravens and Coldhands intro, but with the change of adding an Other for same to slay. Any time one of the show’s Walkers shows up though it’s cool. And, perhaps they’ll continue the scene into their next to meet Coldhands. Sam certainly isn’t taking care of the dragonglass daggers is he. One he shatters on a wight and the next he leaves in a pile of shattered Other.

    Glad Mero ate it quickly. I would have hated much more of his pompous ass.

  38. Kenneth
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    LOVED
    *Sam scene. His best scene of the series
    *Gendry’s Body
    *The whole wedding sequence. Great acting by everyone, especially Peter.

    LIKED
    *Dany scenes along with the Second Sons. I liked how Daario is being portrayed. I liked the bonding of Dany and Missandei.

    Everything else was okay. Nothing I didn’t like. It was a much better episode than episode 6 and maybe a tad bit better than episode 7. Hate that we have to wait 2 weeks

  39. Adam
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t get chills when Sam walked out of the cabin like I did in th book. I wanted it to be more like the book where there’s multiple wights standing there. The scene was good but I expected better

  40. Isabelle
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Rains of Kristomere:
    Isabelle,

    the reason she put it there is because it was were all the blood was rushing to.

    Oh, that I got. My comment was more a loud, squeamish “ACK!” in response.

    But thanks : )

  41. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Clob:
    I just thought of it now…Gendry didn’t “finish” when Mel stopped, right?It certainly didn’t appear that he did.So, what other purpose did it serve Mel other than just wanting a bit of the young buck? :)

    Fanservice?

  42. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Forehead slap! I guess I’m overly eager for TWOW to come out.

  43. Michel
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    Whose brother? I can’t remember that line, LOL

  44. BirdSpy
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Daaaaaaaaammmmnnn!

    Awesome stuff, wedding was bitchin.

  45. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    This was one of the best of the season for me!

    The thing I really enjoy is that tis episode will get better on repeat viewing. Thanks to Michelle MacClaren’s direction in large part.

    Not one scene this wee I will no want to see over and over. Like some have mentioned, the lack of Theon was nice change of pace although I’m not sure it alone made for the improved episode IMO.

    So many small quiet character moments and that is where Game of Thrones excels!

  46. Shan
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    I took it as her being deliberately cruel because she’s pissed at Davos, which didn’t seem like her at all. The scariest thing about Melisandre is that she genuinely is a warm, loving, deeply empathetic and kind person who also happens to be a religious fanatic who will burninate all the peasants in their thatched roof cottages if the Lord of Light tells her to, and won’t feel bad about it afterwards. Not really the petty type, but I guess we all have petty days.

  47. GeekFurious
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe:
    GeekFurious,

    Really? I thought it was perhaps the episodes best scene.

    Like I said, the scene was very well executed but there are very few book-needs I have and that was one of them. Because the scene isn’t about him killing an Other. It is about his brothers starting to view him differently. About him earning respect. Now, I know it can still be played that way as she tells people about it but it will never be for me what it was in the book.

    LET ME STATE AGAIN, since people love to focus on the negative, I thought the scene was executed well. This is about my personal need to see something for that character.

    Though, I do take exception to you calling it perhaps the best scene of the episode. Come on. How can THAT scene be better than some of those beautifully acted moments at the wedding or in the bedroom, or in the dungeon… or anywhere for that matter?

    It was the most visually and musically exciting scene. Not the best.

  48. Jake
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Prediction: Coldhands for a final episode cliffhanger

    Daario: I’m fairly okay with the apparent merging of sellsword companies into one company and putting him there; makes sense trying to limit the running tab of names and things to keep straight in the TV universe. Also okay with the look, as there is presently ZERO context for anyone from Braavos looking outlandish with wildly colored hair and stuff. Without overt exposition (which GoT tends to avoid) to explain it it would have looked VARY out of place

    Still incredibly saddened by the apparent leaving out of Strong Belwas. BOOOOOO

  49. Clob
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    “Do you drink wine?”
    “When I have to.”

    Apparently sleeping with Tyrion is a “have to” occasion.

  50. Isabelle
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: So many small quiet character moments and that is where Game of Thrones excels!

    This episode was fantastic in the way it fleshed-out the few scenes (and characters) it featured–it allowed each of its moments to make an impact instead of feeling rushed and jumpy, placing the emphasis on quality over quantity. There’s a lot I hope they cover in the remaining two episodes, but this episode gave me great hope that whatever they do include will leave its mark, be more meaningful than a mishmash of random scenes.

    With that, it’s re-watch time!

  51. Dennis
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Agreed.

    Also, it was weird but was it just me who felt that this episode was longer than the others because of the longer scenes? A few times it seemed like the episode must be drawing to a close,only to have several more scenes. (That’s a good thing BTW) and no i didn’t smoke anything.

  52. Clob
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: that was one of them. Because the scene isn’t about him killing an Other. It is about his brothers starting to view him differently. About him earning respect. Now, I know it can still be played that way as she tells people about it but it will never be for me what it was in the book.

    That may hold a little truth as some may have given him some respect. However, I always felt it was more for his respect of himself. Besides, Jon sends Sam for Oldtown at the start of AFfC. He doesn’t hang around the brothers much past the election. In fact, there are only four chapters, plus the one when he leaves where he’s around brothers, and one of those is a Jon pov.

  53. Rains of Kristomere
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    I was on another board were people were complaining about that scene, until I stated that was likely why she did it.

  54. Yasadora
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    I thought it was one of the better episodes… My husband hasn’t read the books… But our conversations lead me to think he will be totally devastated by the upcoming event…
    I find it more and more difficult to watch the negative anticipation is getting to me.

  55. Mimsy
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    I thoroughly enjoyed Mero being a dirty pig. lol. What a wanker! Daario is soooo pretty. I want to comb and braid his hair. :0

    Wedding was great! Tyrion and Sansa were fabulous.

    Whitewalker breaking like glass was super cool.

  56. Isabelle
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Rains of Kristomere,

    Ah. Gotcha.

    Dennis:

    Agreed.

    Also, it was weird but was it just me who felt that this episode was longer than the others because of the longer scenes? A few times it seemed like the episode must be drawing to a close,only to have several more scenes. (That’s a good thing BTW) and no i didn’t smoke anything.

    It’s not just you–I got a sense of that, as well. I think it’s because sometimes it feels as though we’re rushing from scene to scene, character to character, as though they’re trying to squeeze in as much as they can before the hour’s up.

    This time we got a chance to savour each scene, so it felt like we were getting two or three episodes’ worth of material for each character, perhaps as if we were watching a string of episodes as opposed to just the one. We usually have to wait until the next episode to spend more than three minutes with Sansa, for example.

  57. Darquemode
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I see your point and agree to an extent, but that scene is literally about killing an Other/ White Walker. The most important story aspect of that scene is the fact that Dragonsglass can kill a White Walker/ Other.

    His brothers can gain respect upon hearing the tale, or as Sam discovers more about Dragonsglass in the old books… or not at all. I always thought Sam the Slayer was more mockery than respect anyway to be honest. Their opinion of Sam is not as important as Sam’s growing opinion of himself IMO. For me that was the important character moment of the scene.

    That said, I would have enjoyed seeing Grenn’s reaction to Sam slaying the White Walker. Sadly we lose many character moments in the series due to having to move the story forward..

  58. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    On rewatch the brief scene between Cersei and Loras was even better. It was set up to look like a Dawson’s Creek like conversation fraught with angst and meaning with dramatic music in the background. Any other show would have gone the expected route. Instead Cersei makes a snide comment and walks away. Brilliant.

  59. Lovesduncan
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    ShowDaario is an improvement over BookDaario…and a much needed one. Skrein was a great choice for the role. Mero was appropriately obnoxious.

    Loved loved loved Sam the Slayer. I suppose Gilly can tell Grenn, Edd, etc about his heroics. I’m OK with no Coldhands in this episode. He will appear soon enough. John Bradley has really come into his own with this role.

    I could watch a full hour of Stannis and Davos. Perfect!

    The Lannister family gatherings continue to be lots of fun. Everyone is so miserable and nasty…very entertaining. Costumes are stunning: Cersei’s gown, Tywin’s black leather tunic, Sansa’s wedding dress.

  60. coronaking
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    On rewatch the brief scene between Cersei and Loras was even better.It was set up to look like a Dawson’s Creek like conversation fraught with angst and meaning with dramatic music in the background.Any other show would have gone the expected route.Instead Cersei makes a snide comment and walks away.Brilliant.

    I thought so, too! Also it was a nice reference to all the “Game of Thrones” scenes where someone tries to make a point by telling a long anecdote or history lesson. Sometimes nobody cares indeed. ^^

  61. Turncloak
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    No! Sam left the Dragon glass on the floor! He is screwed! :]

  62. Zack
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Initial reaction: My new favorite episode of the series. I even liked Daario, what the hell?! I’m honestly pretty speechless here.

    Emilia Clarke, marry me.

  63. Suzaku
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want to get into book spoilers too much, but regarding some of the theories about Daario, I noticed some things in this episode… Maybe I’m crazy, but they stood out to me nonetheless.

    Not a widely accepted theory by any means, but one I’ve seen multiple times, is the idea that Daario is a Faceless Man, and possibly Jaqen. In the books he has a hooked nose, curly hair, and a gold tooth — same as Jaqen’s second face and the Alchemist who arrives in Oldtown (when Daario is away from Dany on a diplomatic mission).

    Now, in the show, Jaqen’s second face looked completely different, and so does Daario. Not the same, obviously, but they both have reddish hair and broad faces.

    But what stood out to me was Daario’s use of the phrase Valar Morghulis while holding a Braavosi coin (same thing we last saw Jaqen doing in S2), and then later referring to Missandei as “lovely girl,” which is the same thing Jaqen always called Arya.

    Maybe I’m crazy and just seeing connections where there are none, but… I still see them there, real or not.

  64. GoT
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who laughed hard on Mero’s jokes? Shit, he trolled Dany all over! hahaha

  65. Rains of Kristomere
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Lovesduncan,

    I wasnt upset about coldhands just that the synopsis said that Sam and Gilly will be meeting an older Gentleman, unless they were referring to the old Weirwood tree.

    Turncloak,

    the blade in the book shattered, but sam has many arrowheads

  66. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    I actually prefer show Daario to book Daario. Still bad-boy, but not greasy, gross bad boy. He doesn’t pay for sex, because he doesn’t need to.

  67. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Shameless Self-Promotion: I recently started a blog detailing the possible links between Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice & Fire and Norse Mythology, if anyone’s interested.

    http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html

    But, beware. Spoilers abound. That’s actually the point of it. I’m trying to spoil it for you. So, read at your own risk (which is assuming I’m right, of course. But, in any case, there are spoilers from books 4 & 5 in there).

  68. ebevan91
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    So Sansa is Joffrey’s aunt, Loras will be his father in law and Tyrion’s brother in law, while Tywin will be Sansa’s father in law, I’m confused. There’s a lot more to it, too.

  69. Uberstellar
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    I want to clarify my unhappiness about Daario. I really feel like the change to pretty boy is demeaning to women viewers. A lot of book readers hated the character because he was so gross – he leered, he was crude, etc. I felt like Mero captured that. And readers were all, ew, why would Dany want that? There was no stereotype romance involved, but guess what, Dany wasn’t looking at him as a husband. Girl was a horny teenager and he looked like he could take some edge off. I feel like a big part of the hatred for Daario and the whole storyline stems from the same place as rejection for pure female sexuality. She ends up getting way too wrapped up in her obsession with him, but what, compared to Tyrion? Please. Pretty boy is more acceptable, because chicks only want Tiger Beat idols instead of dirty, weird dudes. Nope, sorry, we get a taste for the strange too- and the whole reasoning behind Dany accepting him is purely, non-romanticisized hormone hots. I dislike that it’s been twisted and tamed for the show.

  70. Varymyr4Skins
    Posted May 19, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    I just want to point out they have said Egg and Duncan as names in 2 different episodes now, possible hint at a Dunk and Egg mini series? That would be awesome.

    Also, fantastic episode. Only wish Sansa would have refused to kneel as it makes her a stronger character.

    Also didnt mean to steal your name Varymyr Fourskins, I just tried to think of something quick and my immature mind went there.

  71. House Snow
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Suzaku:
    I don’t want to get into book spoilers too much, but regarding some of the theories about Daario, I noticed some things in this episode… Maybe I’m crazy, but they stood out to me nonetheless.

    Not a widely accepted theory by any means, but one I’ve seen multiple times, is the idea that Daario is a Faceless Man, and possibly Jaqen. In the books he has a hooked nose, curly hair, and a gold tooth — same as Jaqen’s second face and the Alchemist who arrives in Oldtown (when Daario is away from Dany on a diplomatic mission).


    Now, in the show, Jaqen’s second face looked completely different, and so does Daario. Not the same, obviously, but they both have reddish hair and broad faces.

    But what stood out to me was Daario’s use of the phrase Valar Morghulis while holding a Braavosi coin (same thing we last saw Jaqen doing in S2), and then later referring to Missandei as “lovely girl,” which is the same thing Jaqen always called Arya.

    Maybe I’m crazy and just seeing connections where there are none, but… I still see them there, real or not.

    Wow I’m going to have to watch this again.

  72. tysnow
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    WoW, what a difference a week makes, GoT back to full frontal ass kicking again. This episode is a close 3rd behind 3.05 and 3.04. What was with last weeks aberration, and GRRM wrote it, go figure.
    This weeks flowed perfectly, the pacing was dead on, and everything else just clicked, like we are use to seeing from HBO. What else can I say but………..

    Sam the slayer, finally and I like the build up. The ending was perfect; at night, torch lighting, moody, suspenseful. Unlike the bear pit scene from last week.

    Poor Tyrion’s and Sansa’s wedding, it was hard to watch, which makes it a perfect scene.
    Kudos to Gendry err I mean Joe for getting naked with Carice, luckiest man in the world the week that was filmed.
    That leeches scene and the Stannis/Davos one preceding were pitch perfect, Carice, you are Mel, period.
    Dragonstone almost rules this season, if it were not for Queen Dany, the Dany story arc is running on all 10 cylinders and 750 HP this year and tonight’s scene’s were no exception.
    My feeling is the casual viewers are watching primarily for Dany/KL/Jaime and Dragonstone, in that order.

    Now the two week lull before hopefully the greatest episode in tv history, don’t blow it D&D and HBO, please.

  73. Villane
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    I loved everything except they left out my favorite line in the whole goddamn saga…”That’s why the God’s made whores, for imps like me.” Why? Why? Why? I had been aching for that line since the beginning. Still, overall, a great ep. I can’t understand why D&D thought “and now my watch begins” had more narrative punch. Arrrghhh.

  74. Suzaku
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Varymyr4Skins: Only wish Sansa would have refused to kneel as it makes her a stronger character.

    I don’t think it would come across that way in the TV series. I think it would come across as more of a cruelty to Tyrion, which would have worked against the sympathy they were building in the episode.

  75. Oshada
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Well, he won’t meet another one (I think)

  76. Fiona
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    So much to love about tonight’s episode! But you’ve all said it already so I won’t repeat it. One thing no one has mentioned is I was relieved to hear “Meereen” spoken on the show since its absence in the title sequence map and Yunkai being so big on the map to cover both cities has worried me a little. Glad to know we’ll still have Meereen on the show. Plus I have such delightful anxiety and anticipation when there are scenes that don’t exist in the books. I have no idea what will happen, which is quite wonderful for a book reader. Thanks, Game of Thrones :) One question – why do you think they had Joffrey’s horrible threats to Sansa be in private conversation instead of everyone (including Tyrion) hear them (like in the book)? It would’ve explained better Tyrion’s sudden rage and threat to Joffrey, right?

  77. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Hmm… What do you think of Aegon or Darkstar for Sigurd?

  78. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    The casting decisions to choose Natalie Dormer to play Margeary was one which, when announced. I thought would never work. They nearly doubled Margeary Tyrell’s age! The creep factor of Margaery and Tommen would go through the roof! Margaery was barely a woman — not the sexpot of King’s Landing!

    But what they have gained in seasons 5, 6, and 7 by pitting Natalie Dormer as Margaery against Cersei will pay off brilliantly. These two are the heart of the show in King’s Landing in later seasons. The decision was the right one and the scene between the two of them was the continued unspooling of a great setup.

    Now my watch begins“. Not even GRRM was as clever as that. Well done, indeed.

  79. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Ooops dammit!
    That post above was for replying to your Norse myth analogies! XD

  80. TMC
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    I got chills watching the trailer for episode 9 in two weeks!!!! If you look quickly enough you see Edmure Tully getting carried out of the dinner hall all happy as can be and you all know what happens next!!!! Davos line to Stannis “you could of released me yesterday or tomorrow” was pretty strong. I wanted Selmy to kill Merro that would of been a nice action seen!

  81. Violentos
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    I was expecting great things from this episode since the last 2 have been quite sluggish and generally uneventful. I wasn’t disappointed this week! Great episode!

    I loved the Sam the Slayer scene, although I’m wondering if they will actually give him that title in the show, since the only witness to his actions was Gilly, it will probably have to come from her.

    Daario seems alright so far. I do wish he was a little more serious, but who knows, his character could grow on me. I really wish they kept his 3 pronged beard! That was such a huge feature of his in the book!

    I loved Tyrion’s threat to Joffrey. Great line, great tension!

  82. House Snow
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Another interesting name drop was Randyll Tarly. A lot of people speculate that he will be dropped from the show, but the show doesn’t usually drop people that they name ahead of time.

  83. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    Sandor’s

  84. Syrio
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Isabelle: This episode was fantastic in the way it fleshed-out the few scenes (and characters) it featured–it allowed each of its moments to make an impact instead of feeling rushed and jumpy, placing the emphasis on quality over quantity. There’s a lot I hope they cover in the remaining two episodes, but this episode gave me great hope that whatever they do include will leave its mark, be more meaningful than a mishmash of random scenes.

    With that, it’s re-watch time!

    Agreed, one of my frequent complaints about the series (despite the fact I love it) is that scenes often felt rushed, and many key moments are not allowed to breath to give the audience a chance to soak it in.

    This is one of the few episodes that didn’t feel rushed at all, we actually had a chance to let the moments breath and take root. I hope they do more of this in the future.

  85. Zack
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Villane,

    Why would Tyrion want to flaunt that behavior in front of Sansa, even if he is drunk? I was pleasantly surprised at its absence.

  86. Petearys
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Gatorfisch,

    Right like chuck Norris doesn’t pay for sex, sex pays for chuck Norris.

    Seeing the ep. If Daario had a Tri-colored Tri pointed beard with a gold tool lochte style grille, it would have been ridiculous.

    And now my watch begins….

  87. Reginald
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Spryte,

    I am the god of tits and wine!

    Amazing episode!
    Sandor!
    Yunkai!
    Wedding! note: red wine for the groom, purple wine in the pretty pitcher, for the king
    Tywin’s suit!
    and more!!!
    so happy about this one. I assumed last episode was a lead up, and they did it right.

  88. GB
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Why does Daario have a Dothraki sword? Is he Dothraki?

  89. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Interesting, but maybe reading too much into it at this point…

    Daario got the Braavosi coin so saying Valar Moghulis seemed fitting since it is the common greeting on Braaavos. … and may even be written on the coin for all we know.

    The “Lovely girl” line is more interesting to me. Surely it could be coincidence, but if the wording is exact (I’ll take your word for it since I do not recall) then it could be a bread crumb from D&D that leads somewhere…. Maybe. It bares watching at least. :)

    So many theories on Daario and Jaqen….
    I’ve read the one that Jaqen is Daario… Also one that Daario is Rhaegar. Both amusing, but I’m not sold on Daario being anything more than he appears at tis point honestly.

    Personally I hate to think that every odd role or efficient killer could be a Faceless Man or Jaqen in specific. It feels contrived to me… Even more so than all the possibly important possible bastards running around in the story! XD

  90. WompWomp
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    I’m not a Daario fan, but I really enjoyed his portrayal in the show. The initial photos looked a bit strange, but they managed to get a lot across in motion. Attaman, Ed Skrein!

  91. Bean
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    … so apart from the obvious sex appeal of melisandre and gendry, if people need an excuse for her to seduce him like that, she did manage to tie him up :). Also, in the dialogue it seemed to be that her “sacrifice” would be more powerful the more surprised he was by it. One of the few actually good hbo gratuitous sex scenes in this or any season…

  92. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    Shan:

    I took it as her being deliberately cruel because she’s pissed at Davos, which didn’t seem like her at all. The scariest thing about Melisandre is that she genuinely is a warm, loving, deeply empathetic and kind person who also happens to be a religious fanatic who will burninate all the peasants in their thatched roof cottages if the Lord of Light tells her to, and won’t feel bad about it afterwards. Not really the petty type, but I guess we all have petty days.

    Are we reading the same books? Melisandre is UNDEAD. Her POV in ADwD reveals this to us. She has been undead so long she barely remembers what it was like to be alive when she was “Melony”. The Lord of Light does not “tell” her to do anything, because the Lord of Light does not exist. Her visions are true, as much as they reveal, but not her attribution of them to a higher power. Her visions are “flashfowards”, scenes she has seen herself in the future which she can glimpse through time because she is not alive. Her visions are snippets of her future self, screaming back at her through time in an incoherent warning. Melisandre’s visions in the flame are factual enough , but her interpretations are often delusional, because she is delusional. She is literally “not all there”, because the part of her that was once alive is gone.

  93. Eugene Toussaint
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:18 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I actually think he was talking about TWOW, I do not believe it was snowing at thebattle on the wall and that battle really did not make or break Stannis’ fortune as much as the battle of winterfell will or will not do

    plus a battle in the snow sounds more like TWOW than the battle at the wall

  94. Zack
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:19 am | Permalink

    Can I just state for the record my complete adoration of Liam Cunningham as Davos, too? Watching him reading, figuring out these words and the increasing wonder in his voice at what that means for him…what a great little moment.

  95. JamesL
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Are they going to show the battle at Yunkai ep 9 too? I thought they were saving that for the season finale. I know they showed it in the preview but since that preview said “only 2 episodes left” maybe it was showing clips from ep. 9 and 10.

  96. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    I’m guessing Daario used those cheekbones of his to behead those dudes. Because, those things are so angular, they could’ve been made in Germany.

    … Which is a point I wanted to hit on. I caused enough shit over Ducksauce being much less albino than he was in the books, so I feel obligated to point out that TV show Daario is considerably less swarthy than book Daario. Not at all what I was picturing — but much more charming, I suppose (which, I fear, might make me racist — yet again. Damn Game of Thrones).

  97. ssgorik
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Rains of Kristomere,

    The White Walker was the “older gentleman”. I saw that synopsis earlier today and cracked up. I knew exactly what it meant.

  98. Winter
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Question for you guys: is Meereen out? Or do you think that is what next season will entail?

  99. Streamweaver
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    He’s 23 and graduating college?

  100. Fiona
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    Is anyone else concerned that too much will be packed into next week’s ep and greatly detract from the RW? Initially I’d hoped ep 9 would be all at the one location (The Twins), like the “Blackwater” ep was. But we know it’ll include Dany & Battle of Yunkai, Bran & Jon at Queenscrown, Edmure’s wedding, Arya & Hound, prob Jaime, prob Theon (and revelation of identity of torturer?), surely King’s Landing, Balon Greyjoy’s death?, maybe North of the Wall or Castle Black, etc. Eek. Anyway, the next 2 weeks will build so much anticipation – I love it :D

  101. coronaking
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: Are we reading the same books? Melisandre is UNDEAD.Her POV in ADwD reveals this to us.

    What? This is the first time I hear of this theory.

  102. Fiona
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Are they going to show the battle at Yunkai ep 9 too? I thought they were saving that for the season finale. I know they showed it in the preview but since that preview said “only 2 episodes left” maybe it was showing clips from ep. 9 and 10.

    Good catch. I’d actually be quite relieved if those previews were for the last 2 eps and not all that will be crammed into next week. There are momentous events at hand that I *really* don’t want to be rushed or shortchanged.

  103. Arthur
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Solid episode…

    My impressive takeaways were…

    Whoever that actor was that played Mero was awesome looking. He was a brute and I actually felt scared for Dany as he was really being an intimidating and imposing character in her tent meeting.

    I hope the TV viewer knows that Dany’s beauty is legendary. She is like this worlds Cleopatra. So hopefully it doesn’t come across as cheesy how she gets the Second Sons to serve her. Daario was simply a victim of her unintentional seduction. Dany won an infantry by wit and daring, and she wins her cavalry by beauty and seduction…

    The little Arya scene was short and sweet. Love the little backstory about The Mountain killing a man for snoring, his own man lol.

    Oh and BTW I really hope D&D get Conan Stevens back. Or ever get that guy who first fought Achilis in ‘Troy’. Anyone but that season 2 beanpole mountain. If they keep season 2 mountain at least make him wear a rubber muscle suit or something to give him some girth and shoulder span.

    The wedding was well wrote and shot.

    Sam scene was good and the CGI was flawless.

    Overall a strong episode. Can’t believe we have to wait 2 weeks for the next one. Damn GoT seasons come and go to fast.

    Maybe if they can’t make GoT 12 episodes can’t they at least start giving us 2 hour finales? Or 90min premieres and 90min finales?

    Wouldn’t that be cool?

  104. Mummer's farts
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    gotta admit i’ve been drinking for a bit….but did Sam stab the Other in the back? Seems like a pussy move and not quite the Slayer we were looking for. Small detail and i could be wrong………….but

  105. Fiona
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Winter:
    Question for you guys: is Meereen out? Or do you think that is what next season will entail?

    Tonight was the first time I heard mention of Meereen on the show, and to me that was confirmation (and relief) that the city will indeed be on the show. Surely that will be the location of Dany for the next season and perhaps beyond.

  106. Jared
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Particularly excellent episode. I enjoyed the tighter focus, even though it meant that we went without seeing Jaime and Brienne, Robb and Catelyn, and Jon and Ygritte for a week. Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding was both spectacularly awkward and spectacularly funny – in other words, it was perfect. (I’m totally fine with Sansa’s decision to kneel – the degrading nature of that situation was still conveyed adequately).

    Sam the Slayer was well worth the wait. Sure, we didn’t get to see Coldhands this week, but judging by all of those ravens, I have no doubt that he’s coming in the finale.

    I seem to recall that something else happened in this superior episode, something that elevated it even higher in my esteem. Something I can’t quite remember … oh. Yes. Hello again, Emilia Clarke. Don’t mind me. I’ll just pick my jaw up off the floor while you stand there, completely uncovered, and stare down the deadly sellsword captain who just dumped two severed heads at your feet. Seriously … as if I needed more proof that this woman is a goddess.

    It’s going to be a long two weeks until the next episode. Guess I’ll just have to rewatch this episode while I wait. Or maybe the entire season. Entire series? Let’s not get carried away … but we’ll see what happens.

  107. Morgan King
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    It wasn’t the most action-packed episode, but I thought that was the best GoT episode of the entire series so far. I didn’t love the last Michelle MacLaren episode, perhaps that was GRRM’s overy-chatty script, but in this episode every shot felt like a beautifully framed comic panel, and every scene was brimming over with spry and emotive content – just a masterpiece of direction and a classic bit of filmmaking. Tyrion and Sansa’s moment alone after the wedding was incredible.

  108. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    In the books Daario is described as being fair, much paler than Jorah…

    “When the exile knight delivered him, she asked herself whether two men had ever been so different. The Tyroshi was fair where Ser Jorah was swarthy”

  109. Zack
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I disagree for two primary reasons: First, that to spend too much (all?) of the episode’s running time is just going to telegraph that it’s going to end badly. And second, it’s a purposefully boring wedding, with bad food, terrible musicians, and not much else. To just leave the camera in there the whole time would get pretty tiresome.

  110. johnnytata
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    not sure why people were so uptight and worried about sam’s big scene not being included. it is literally one of the most crucial sequences in the entire series. an absolute game changer.

    and pulled off nicely in my opinion.

  111. pntrlqst
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    In the episode nine preview, two shirtless men look like they are about to fight. One looks like Robb, but I swear I see Tormund in the background. Any know who it is/what is going on?

  112. Ron Glenn
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    You’ve got to be kidding me! A week off? REALLY?! When have they taken a week off in the last two years? Not at all! And suddenly they need one? And they’re not even working on the day of, the footage has ALREADY been shot AND edited. What the F***?! HBO is lazy and stupid.

  113. Anonymous
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    RW is only one chapter in the book. Blackwater was several. You really expect close to one hour on one chapter?

    Besides, the big moment in episode 9 of season one was only several minutes long.

  114. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    coronaking,

    I think GRRM implies she is much, much older than she looks, but I was not sure if that meant she was undead or simply unnaturally old from her sorcery keeping her alive so , much longer than a normal human’s lifetime.
    *Shrug*

  115. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    coronaking: What? This is the first time I hear of this theory.

    It was all over Westeros.org after ADwD was released (I know, because I posted much of it at the start). Go back and read the chapter. She is undead as:

    1 – she does not require sleep;
    2- she does require food or drink and does not digest them when she does consume them;
    3- she does not feel the cold because she is DEAD;
    4- Cressen’s poison does not effect her because she is DEAD;
    5- Jon Snow feels the heat radiating off of her because that is the effect of her glamour spell. It’s the same spell which makes Mance appear as the Lord of Bones, and vice versa;
    6- She is old – very, very, old and her true appearance is concealed by a glamour;
    7- She cannot bear children;
    8 – She was bought as a slave by the Lord of Light, so long ago she barely remembers her life before and slave name, “Melony”;
    9- She barely remembers her life before because that is what happens to the undead. The same thing happens to Dundarion;

    Go back and read her POV again. It’s all there.

  116. Zack
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    Ron Glenn,

    Perhaps, or perhaps they don’t want to air the biggest episode yet of the entire series on MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND when people are not really watching TV, but on vacation. A day that, when episodes have aired during past years, results in that episode seeing a significant drop in the ratings as a clear consequence. They’re not going to air the episode when so much of their audience is going to miss it, when their friends will be totally HOLY FU…DID YOU SEE. Unsullied would be spoiled like crazy.

    It’s not rocket science.

  117. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    coronaking: What? This is the first time I hear of this theory.

    It hasn’t been confirmed, but I thought Melisandre was a fire wight like Beric/Stoneheart after reading her ADWD chapter as well. Her memories are hazy and she doesn’t really eat or sleep. My impression was definitely that she’s been around a looong time. It’s also a common theory that her beauty is a glamour.

  118. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Fantastic Varamyr!! I was hoping to see that! Thank you!

    Really look forward to checking it out.

    Varamyr Fourskins:
    Shameless Self-Promotion: I recently started a blog detailing the possible links between Game of Thrones/A Song of Ice & Fire and Norse Mythology, if anyone’s interested.

    http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html

    But, beware. Spoilers abound. That’s actually the point of it. I’m trying to spoil it for you. So, read at your own risk (which is assuming I’m right, of course. But, in any case, there are spoilers from books 4 & 5 in there).

  119. Fiona
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    Fiona,

    I disagree for two primary reasons: First, that to spend too much (all?) of the episode’s running time is just going to telegraph that it’s going to end badly. And second, it’s a purposefully boring wedding, with bad food, terrible musicians, and not much else. To just leave the camera in there the whole time would get pretty tiresome.

    Well, the RW does not all take place inside The Twins. There’s the whole field of soldiers outside, and there’s Arya & the Hound approaching. Plus possibly Roose Bolton arriving, Grey Wind’s demise, there could be Tywin revealing something about his hand in the murders, etc.. Yet I think that you’re right – it would telegraph the bad outcome. As another poster pointed out, the preview at the end of tonight’s episode said “only 2 weeks left” so perhaps not all the events in the preview will be crammed into next week along with the RW. I hope so.

  120. NickTargaryen
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69FD2bp71E4

    “Show them how it feels to lose what they love.”

    Close-up of Robb.

    Damn, those preview editors are awesome.

  121. Violentos
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    This blew my mind. Although, I can’t see a motive for Jaqen to disguise himself as a sellsword earning money. Even if his plan was to get close to Danny, how would he know her plans and that she would be coming that direction with the intention of sacking the cities?

  122. Adam Chazen
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Glad you guys enjoyed the White Walker scene! Just wanted to point out that the White Walker shatter was done by Entity FX.

  123. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    I was trying to think of what to type, but then I saw Jared’s post, and realized this is exactly what I would have posted! Great job Jared – I concur!

    Jared:
    Particularly excellent episode. I enjoyed the tighter focus, even though it meant that we went without seeing Jaime and Brienne, Robb and Catelyn, and Jon and Ygritte for a week. Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding was both spectacularly awkward and spectacularly funny – in other words, it was perfect. (I’m totally fine with Sansa’s decision to kneel – the degrading nature of that situation was still conveyed adequately).

    Sam the Slayer was well worth the wait. Sure, we didn’t get to see Coldhands this week, but judging by all of those ravens, I have no doubt that he’s coming in the finale.

    I seem to recall that something else happened in this superior episode, something that elevated it even higher in my esteem. Something I can’t quite remember … oh. Yes. Hello again, Emilia Clarke. Don’t mind me. I’ll just pick my jaw up off the floor while you stand there, completely uncovered, and stare down the deadly sellsword captain who just dumped two severed heads at your feet. Seriously … as if I needed more proof that this woman is a goddess.

    It’s going to be a long two weeks until the next episode. Guess I’ll just have to rewatch this episode while I wait. Or maybe the entire season. Entire series? Let’s not get carried away … but we’ll see what happens.

  124. Zack
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I expect all that stuff to be handled pretty deftly even when divided amongst the other story lines, really. I’m not afraid they’ll not do it justice, they’ve probably planned the structure of the episode since the time the pilot was greenlit. A lot of thought has gone into it, be assured :)

  125. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:43 am | Permalink

    Can we get some love for Drunk Cersei? I think we should try to get Drunk Cersei appearances at least one time a year. “No one cares what your father once told you.” Brilliant.

    Overall the tension in this one was much more effective than in the previous episode. Still not on the level of Season 3 episodes 4 or 5, but a really solid one nonetheless, with great tension building in all of the wedding scenes, the Dragonstone stuff and all of the foreshadowing that D&D now feel they have the room to put in, and of course it’s great to see the Hound, even in only one scene.

  126. Patchy Face
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    I read DwD twice and think that you are reading way too much into the Mel chapters – Mel has her own past and has come a long way but never got your take from her chapters.

  127. Patchy Face
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:47 am | Permalink

    Adam Chazen,

    White Walker scene was awesome! Nice work!

  128. Morgan King
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Honestly, I can’t remember a better filmed version of drunkenness, between her and Tyrion.

  129. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    Adam Chazen,

    Good work!
    Did you guys do any more VFX on Game of Thrones this year?

  130. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    What was the purpose of her chapter if not for us to read a lot into? The plot points at the wall. could have been covered by a Jon pov GRRM was trying to tell us some important things I think.

  131. MyNameIsJamie
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Seriously, this is one of the most brilliant things I’ve read in connection to this series. I absolutely love this idea, and I’m extremely intrigued at where this could lead in TWOW and ADOS if true.

  132. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Great scene: Shae sees that Sansa’s bedsheets haven’t been “blooded”, and exchanges a glance with Tyrion before she walks out the door, at which point Tyrion, hungover as all hell, smiles and kind of laughs to himself in relief. That was just a really human moment right there — an extreme scenario, albeit, but it was that “Oh thank god, I’m off the hook” look all guys with wives/girlfriends wear on a fairly regular basis.

  133. LordDavos12
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Two many favorite parts to list; great episode!

  134. Kessell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    good episode, shame none of Sams friends saw him kill the WW, i guess when they call him Sam the Slayer we should stick it in the same box as; how does Jojen know what Jon Snow looks like? I disagree with people that say it was more about the dragonglass confirmation than about Sam gaining respect from his peers. The dragonglasss (especially in the show) did not need confirming, but Sams relationship with his brothers had been following the book pretty decently so its a shame they missed out on developing that properly. Fantastic wedding, shame Sansa knelt, but w/e it’s not like we all didnt see that coming. time to rewatch

  135. Leuf
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Sansa kneeling, gah! Did they really have to turn that completely around? I’m not a book purist and I purposefully didn’t reread ASOS so I wouldn’t be caught up in comparing stupid little differences like I was with season 2, but there are certain things that stand out for me. If there’s one thing I remember about that wedding it’s Sansa refusing to kneel. And they changed it around for what? To remind us that Joffrey is a dick? I think we’ve got that down by now.

  136. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Patchy Face,

    What was the purpose of her chapter if not for us to read a lot into?The plot points at the wall. could have been covered by a Jon povGRRM was trying to tell us some important things I think.

    Exactly. There is all of that, plus the part where she asks her visions to show her the king “but all she could see was Snow”.

    The one critical part of the book series where the audio book version completely glosses over a huge plot point!

  137. jkd
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    I’m guessing that “the older gentleman” refers to the White Walker. Bummer, but I think it could be spun that way.

  138. Cerseislittlehelper
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:18 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Thank The Lord of Light you’re here! Chime in more often!

  139. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Good episode, a woman is wondering if Mrs. Naharis will ever show up here? LOLz!

  140. Bran The Builder
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Good observation… I also found those similarities

  141. jkd
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Also, Steel_Wind you blew my mind with that stuff about Melisandre. Never entered my mind. Wow.

  142. lawsonof-houselawson
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    im thinking the next episode might be the greatest hour of TV ever to be produced.the preview set up something i never got from the books.i never thought to link it in a way of the fall of our hero to the rise of another.we as readers knew jon was a badass from the upcoming fight…if they follow the *W with it and use warging with a unnamed warg and a certain wolf which isn’t his…will seem like a passing of a torch and letting the audience know it will be alright.new team of badassness reguardless of where it leads will be amazing TV

  143. Bran The Builder
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    The best line of today’s episode…

    ” And now my watch begins…”

    Best quip…

    QOT –> (Loras + Cersei) + (Margaery+Jofferey) = Loras being Margaery’s father in law

  144. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Leuf:
    Sansa kneeling, gah!Did they really have to turn that completely around?I’m not a book purist and I purposefully didn’t reread ASOS so I wouldn’t be caught up in comparing stupid little differences like I was with season 2, but there are certain things that stand out for me.If there’s one thing I remember about that wedding it’s Sansa refusing to kneel. And they changed it around for what?To remind us that Joffrey is a dick?I think we’ve got that down by now.

    I think they just wanted to spare Sansa some hate.

  145. Derek
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Sorry for consecutive posts-my spoiler tags are not working. Hopefully this one is better.

    If you haven’t read AFfC or ADwD yet don’t read on, but Jaqen is not Daario. It’s widely believed that Jaqen is t he man who kills Pate the Pig Boy in Oldtown and becomes the Alchemist of that city. There’s sufficient evidence to support this.

    In regards to the episode, I’m not mad at all about no Coldhands. I’d be really surprised to see him next episode since so much of that should be focused on the RW-that scene from the preview with Edmure laughing as he’s heading off for the beading is cryptic. I think we might see Coldhands immediately at the start of Ep. 10 when Sam and Gilly are still running away; they might appear doomed and then he saves them but the viewing audience doesn’t fully know what happens, then they’ll go back to the three of them near the end of the episode, or even save that bit for next season early on. That would be cool since Coldhands leaves Sam and Gilly at the heart tree entrance where they meet up with Bran and co anyways.

    With Jon’s plot, I feel like we’ll see him pull an Aragorn really and arrive back at the Wall early in Episode 10 as well, since he’s probably getting shot in the leg in the storm and skirmish next episode. Anyone on board for thinking that they’ll have the Night’s Watch-Wildlings skirmish in Ep. 10 and have Ygritte dying in Jon’s arms as one, if not, the last scene?

    Davos, Stannis, Mel and Gendry were brilliant this go around as well. Someone brought up the vision Stannis has in his victory in the snow and said it might be the Battle of Winterfell-I know better and think that he truly does mean the Battle at the Wall, which won’t be this season. But what I did think was cool was that perhaps that vision, while in all likeliness does mean his victory at the wall, could be something we see later on in TWoW or ADoS, with Stannis defeating not Ramsay Bolton at Winterfell, but the Others in some fierce battle? That would be amazing. Still, in all likelihood that vision which he speaks of is his victory at the Wall.

  146. winterfell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:50 am | Permalink

    Nobody saying it so I have to:

    Lena KILLED it tonight. Two of her best lines of the whole series, IMO.

    “If you ever call me sister again, ill strangle you in your sleep”

    “Nobody cares what your father told you once”

    Also, Natalie Dormer did a great job playing to the crowd as Cersei threatened her family. Well acted scene.

    Good stuff. Not looking forward to withdrawls next week, maybe ill read Storm of Swords again in the meantime.

  147. NoOne
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    *Spoilers*

    I really hope Coldhands intro in the season finale, riding his majestic elk, the series always end heavy on magic and supernatural elements.

  148. novichaso
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    why is it 2 weeks for episode 9?!

  149. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    NoOne:
    *Spoilers*

    I really hope Coldhands intro in the season finale, riding his majestic elk,the series always end heavy on magic and supernatural elements.

    I’m not holding my breath, I doubt it.
    Mostly because the chapter is named “Mhysa”. So, it’s going to be Stoneheart, surely.

  150. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    winterfell,

    Maybe some casting rumors will come out next week to tide us over?
    Probably be another month, but I can dream! XD

  151. MW
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    That opening shot of the close-up of the rock, then zoom focus out to Arya’s eye… classic Breaking Bad shot. Thanks Michelle MacLaren. Please please please come back for season 4!

  152. Soul of a Dragon
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    To those who were disappointed that Sansa didn’t kneel…how could she when they completely changed her motivation. In the books she didn’t know anything about getting married to Tyrion until she walked into the room. She didn’t kneel because she was upset and angry that she had been trapped in a situation which she didn’t see coming.

    I’m not a book purist by any means (I watched the first season before I ever read the books) so I don’t usually have as much difficulty accepting the changes as some people. But, I’m flabbergasted that no one on the book readers forum found it disappointing that they told her ahead of time. The fact that she didn’t know beforehand made it so much more shocking in the books. Tyrion knew how cruel it was and that’s why he drank so much at the reception. And their discussion in the bedroom afterwards was heartbreaking. Sansa thought Tyrion was a part of the conspiracy and couldn’t see that Tyrion was trying to be kind. So, when she lashed out with her “What if I never want you?” remark, it was heartbreaking. Tyrion was truly hurt.

    Yes, they did a great job acting out the scenes as the changes dictated, but I’m sorry…it was just wrong. I realize non-book readers won’t know the difference, but to me it would have been so much more powerful if they had followed the book more closely in this instance.

  153. Shan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind: It was all over Westeros.org after ADwD was released (I know, because I posted much of it at the start).Go back and read the chapter. She is undead as:


    1 – she does not require sleep;
    2- she does require food or drink and does not digest themwhen she does consume them;
    3- she does not feel the cold because she is DEAD;
    4- Cressen’s poison does not effect her because she is DEAD;
    5- Jon Snow feels the heat radiating off of her because that is the effect of her glamour spell. It’s the same spell which makes Mance appear as the Lord of Bones, and vice versa;
    6- She is old – very, very, old and her true appearance is concealed by a glamour;
    7- She cannot bear children;
    8 – She was bought as a slave by the Lord of Light, so long ago she barely remembers her life before and slave name, “Melony”;9- She barely remembers her life before because that is what happens to the undead. The same thing happens to Dundarion;

    Go back and read her POV again. It’s all there.

    Yeah, not convinced. All that stuff could mean undead, or it could mean “human vessel for the Lord of Light” or something to that effect.

    More to the point, you weren’t shocked that my comment suggested that Melisandre was alive — you were shocked that my comment suggested that Melisandre has a personality. So I have to ask: are you suggesting that Melisandre doesn’t have a personality? If you are, I have to disagree. Undead or not, she is a complex character with many specific character traits, one of which is religious faith. Whether or not the Lord of Light actually exists is irrelevant to her character — the point is that SHE believes he exists and is sending her messages in the flames.

    If you’re undead but conscious enough to cast glamours and hatch complex plots and manipulate someone as prickly as Stannis Baratheon or Jon Snow, then you are conscious enough to have a personality.

  154. the mighty hodor
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    complete bs that the show is off for two weeks, why?

  155. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    I know this is a minor point but I’d like to make it anyway. In what universe would deciduous trees survive North of the Wall? It couldn’t be any more obvious they shot that scene in Belfast if they tried.

  156. Shmurb
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    So excited to soon get drunk Cersei all the time!

  157. Steven Swanson
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Soul of a Dragon,

    I think the reason they changed it was because of the show’s changes to Tyrion and Shae’s relationship. Shae didn’t give a crap about his marriage in the books, but in the show there’s a strong triangle component that would not have been emphasized without Tyrion telling the two of them beforehand. I think I also prefer the book version, but I understand the reason they did it this way.

  158. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    the mighty hodor,

    It’s only off for one week because it is Memorial Day Weekend in the USA.

  159. Steven Swanson
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    GG:
    I know this is a minor point but I’d like to make it anyway. In what universe would deciduous trees survive North of the Wall? It couldn’t be any more obvious they shot that scene in Belfast if they tried.

    Considering the only deciduous trees I know of are in this universe, on this planet, it’s hard for me to say whether or not the deciduous trees in another universe behave similarly.

    And more importantly: Seriously, this is the kind of thing that occurs to you while you watch?

  160. JKD
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Derek, I always thought that Stannis saw the rout at the Fist when he looked in the fire. No?

  161. Jenny
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    GG,

    It’s a HEART tree!!! They are always red. Magic!!!

  162. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    Does anyone else think it would have been so much cooler if, at the end of Dany’s scene, she summoned her dragons from the back of the tent & said “BTW you never had a chace at killing me”

  163. BeersBestFriend
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    probably the finale along with tyrion vs tywin

  164. Lindsay
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    I hate how they left a certain word out of the hounds last line of tonight’s episode.

  165. Debrisintheair
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    Hated Daario on first site, which is great casting, because in the books I hated Daario on, er, first description.

  166. GoT
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    daario and dany were the best thing about the episode

  167. Josh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Another great one..I can’t believe we’ve arrived at the RW. I feel like this has been coming since Episode One! GAH!!

    I will say one thing…Daario is a BAD actor…I mean he did not emote well at all, not his tone or face…It was all just one, long prolonged “I’m so cool” smirk…Everyone I watched with thought he was pretty bad…and it stands out in a show filled with great actors; a guy noticeable trying to act.

  168. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Of course that’s what occurs to me while I watch. GoT is a beautiful show. Not taking in the environment in which it is set would be a crime. I’m not saying it detracted from the Sam-the-Slayer scene. I’m just saying that, when the scene opened, I noticed it straight away and it took my out of the show for a second. Up until Sam appeared, the trees made me think we were with Bran again.

  169. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    Jenny,

    I’m not talking about the Heart tree. I’m talking about the trees around it. They were all deciduous.

  170. WinterRose
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:35 am | Permalink

    About Sansa kneeling:

    In the books, she is caught by surprise and is downright angry on what has befallen her. In the show, she was given a couple of episodes (days? weeks?) to get used to and accept the idea. She even discussed it with Tyrion, more than once, as we saw.

    At first, I didn’t like this change, but now I came to appreciate it.

    In the books, we see it all from Sansa’s perspective and are caught in shock just as she is. It’d be hard to play that on television since we don’t have POV characters. It seemed necessary to show Tywin’s plot from the beginning and explain to viewers why Sansa might be the key to the north should Robb dies, etc. Otherwise, the whole thing could have seemed out of place and surreal. First context, then action.

    I mean, it could have worked the other way around. I’m not a screenwriter after all. But it seems smoother this way.

  171. TT
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:53 am | Permalink

    Best episode ever … except for the very last scene. I mean really, you get a blade to kill those zombies with and you leave on the ground? Is he really that stupid, or do the directors take us as stupid enough to not notice???

  172. BTR
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Great episode; finally some development.

    Is anyone else disappointed by how seemingly little press Lena Headey is getting? She just keeps getting better and better. She really brought it this episode. I think she deserves more praise! Her dismissive attitude toward Loras was one of the most compelling interruptions I have seen in TV or film in quite some time.

  173. BTR
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    TT:
    Best episode ever … except for the very last scene. I mean really, you get a blade to kill those zombies with and you leave on the ground? Is he really that stupid, or do the directors take us as stupid enough to not notice???

    Everyone watching with me noticed too. This show is a bizarre juxtaposition of “viewers are intelligent” and “viewers are idiots.”

  174. idkk
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    I hope Rian Johnson finally gets a chance to direct a GOT episode next season.

  175. Tanavast
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    TT,

    I assumed he was scared shitless and wasn’t really thinking straight. It makes sense to me that all he would be thinking is “HOLY SHIT WE’RE GONNA LIVE, RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN.” And not, “oh hey, you know I bet that dagger will be useful later on, I should stop and pick it up out of the icy remnants of the demon that I just somehow managed to kill.” Sure it’s easy to pick out a poor decision like that from where we’re sitting, but probably not so easy at all in the situation, especially for a fearful person like Sam.

  176. Biscotti
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    Great episode! Don’t mind any of the changes, it was great. Lovely directing too.

    I wonder what they will do with Gendry afterwards. He is such a great actor and I love the character in the show.

    It would be cool if Gendry follows Stannis to the wall to smith there, instead of going back to the Brotherhood without Banners. If Martin has no significant plans for him in the riverlands. I don’t want Gendry to leave the show!

  177. loco73
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:11 am | Permalink

    Fantastic episode, and Slayer Sam to top it all off! I said it before, we are lucky to have some of the most talented and beautiful actresses as part of the GoT cast. Lena looked stunning, as did Natalie Dormer! As for Carice Van Houten and Emilia Clarke…well what is there to be said?!

    Personally, I think that this episode belonged to Sophie Turner, she was front and centre and Sansa’s plight becomes all too clear, in painful by painful detail. Peter Dinklage is awesome as ever!

    I never liked Daario Naharis, but I do understand why Dany does! Personally in order to stomach him, I always imagine him as a kind of hipster with ironic facial hair, wearing skinny jeans and ridding a custom makde bicycle…then I run him over with with a Hummer, several times!

    Still the casting choice was yet again an inspired one and Nina struck gold once more (pun intended)! The way they chose to represent him, from his appearance to his clothes is very good and clever, he does not look as the peacock-like bufoon I always thought him as.

    Great episode indeed!

  178. TT
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    Tanavast:
    TT,

    I assumed he was scared shitless and wasn’t really thinking straight. It makes sense to me that all he would be thinking is “HOLY SHIT WE’RE GONNA LIVE, RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN.” And not, “oh hey, you know I bet that dagger will be useful later on, I should stop and pick it up out of the icy remnants of the demon that I just somehow managed to kill.” Sure it’s easy to pick out a poor decision like that from where we’re sitting, but probably not so easy at all in the situation, especially for a fearful person like Sam.

    Ok. It is as it is, I can’t really say I know psychology well enough to assess the situation. I did enjoy the episode thoroughly though, IMO the best of this season and I bet one we’ve all been waiting for. None of the story-rushing, lots of power acting, lovely interactions… Hope they can keep this up!

  179. Closet Romantic
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Hi Ubestellar

    I always read Daario as being attractive if somewhat exotic sort of like a biker with tatts, piercings and a funky hairstyle in the modern world so this Daario being more traditionally Ken Doll like was not that shocking.

    For me the big point of difference was the personality and it does make all the difference despite being a libertine this Daario extends that right to others the book Daario would not have. This Daario like Dany believes in a certain amount of personal freedom which makes him a natural ally and far more attractive in an intellectual and spiritual manner to the character.

    He is still mad bad and dangerous to know, he is still unsuitable as a husband but the sexual connection, the romantic connection even the physical connection is much better it is more a relationship of equals.

    You mentioned Tyrion in your post its like the difference between book
    Shae and TV Shae. TV Shae is Tyrions emotional and intellectual equal book Shae isn’t.

    In the Book I really couldn’t work out why Tyrion didn’t hook up with some other whore his sudden fidelity while not out of character he is looking for love did seem sudden, in the show the character match, her feisty intelligence and devotion make his attachment seem reasonable.

    We get annoyed with Danys self destructive relationship with Daario because the girl has responsibilities not because she is expressing her sexuality the book Daario was bad for her and bad for her people like if a parent hooked up with someone who wouldn’t treat their children well. This Daario is different cannot wait to see the fireworks between him and Jorah

  180. Joh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:28 am | Permalink

    The ramping up of dramatic tension in this epsiode was perfect!

    – Arya, finally being given a glimpse of hope and a return to her family through her most unlikely ally. Viewers have to be wondering, what will become of The Hound when he arrives at The Twins? Will he decide to fight for the North? Will Robb try him for his crimes?

    - the ominous building of crow and raven calls while Sam and Gilly sit by the fire, and the final scene of them running, watched by weirwood eyes and surrounded by birds…

    - Melisandre’s demonstration of power…will we see anything happen to Balon, or Robb, or Joffrey? And how will Davos react? And is Stannis really the saviour of the kingdom against the Others? (the leech exploding into a puddle of blood in the fire was a nice touch)

    - If anything happens to Balon, how will it affect Theon’s predicament? he is Balon’s only son, after all.

    - Is Tyrion really dissatisfied with his life of drunken whoring, and ready to join the Night’s Watch? (jk, the Master of Coin doesn’t appear to swearing off his current lifestyle anytime soon)

    Actually, I think the greatest tension in the episode was between Tyrion and Joffrey. Tyrion actually threatened Joffrey to protect Sansa’s honor, and Joffrey is making private threats to continue abusing/brutalizing Sansa. Will Tyrion be forced to protect her? And Tywin seems extremely unhappy with all of his children at the moment, so who knows what will happen when Daddy Lannister gets involved.

    - Dany…well, not much tension set up in Dany’s storyline for next week. Just romance. It looks like the dragon queen has a new love interest. Honestly, I think they handled Daario perfectly. Also, swords with boobs.

    stray observations:

    Barristan Selmy, who doesn’t even blink at the command to kill the Titan’s Bastard first if it comes to it. This displays perfectly how Barristan was the best warrior in Westeros, and he knows it. The outcome of battle is known to him before it starts, and no challenge fazes him.
    ADWD spoiler: I mean, this is the guy who faces down a dragon FFS.

    Also, I like the peaceful and gentle translator challenging the Dragon Queen’s pronunciation in Dothraki. Fluent in 19 languages! Missandei FTW! She is such a contrast to the many gruff warriors who surround Dany. I really like this character and the actress brings a certain a thoughtful sadness or gravity to the performance.

    (BTW, the above questions are hypothetical and pertain to the television series canon as it currently stands . Please don’t post 500 replies informing me of what happens. I’ve already read the books, guys! :D )

    And, finally, Peter Drunklage!

    Who is more entertaining, guys, drunk Tyrion or drunk Cersei?

  181. Joh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Well…weirwoods, for one.

    In the ASOIAF universe, apparently. GRRM frequently mentions deciduous tree species past the wall in the books.

    This detail made me kind of twitchy.

    I just had to suspend disbelief, as with any fantasy series, and decide that in Westeros some of these species would have evolved to deal with the odd seasonal shifts and harsh climate. It is not Earth, after all.

    There are also a handful of deciduous tree species that thrive in subarctic conditions, so it is not that unbelievable.

  182. Crozyr
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Did anyone else see Pycelle checking out the girls at the wedding? :D

  183. Croccifixio
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    Soul of a Dragon,

    for me, i wasnt disappointed in the change in the show but i do understand the sentiment. bookreaders usually have favorite moments that they always read over and over again because it resonates with them, like for example for me, the scene of arya and the tickler in the books. we bookreaders have this expectation and these scenes play over and over our minds that makes us so disappointed if it did change in the show.

    yes, others think we overreact to some changes that are minor to their eyes but to us it is not minor. we are not purist. we don’t demand that the show follow fully the books and yes, we do understand that changes have to be made but it still leave us a bad taste on our mouths if something sentimental for us changed.

    there a lot of deviations that i liked, some i didnt care about, some i didnt like but i moved on. but there are two deviations that i still can’t get past. the tickler and the house of the undying. i don’t know, i just didnt like it.

    anyway, on topic. it was a nice episode, not awesomesauce but still great. my observation is they had the “dracarys” episode too early. we know what will happen in episode 9 so they have to slow things down before reaching it. ASOS is a season too long for just one but too short for two.

  184. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:49 am | Permalink

    Tanavast,

    That and the fact that Sam dropped it in the books as well.

    He let it be on the ground until Grenn picked it up (on second attempt since it was ice cold) and told Grenn to keep it. So Sam leaving it on the ground again in shock or terror seemed about right to me. Not much of a change from the books really…

  185. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    Joh,

    Boy it is a close contest between drunk Tyrion and drunk Cersei!!

    I think Tyrion is more fun in the jovial sense, and he can make a fine snarky cutting remark too, but if I want to watch a smack down that has all the subtlety and finesse of a neon green steamroller with flashing red lights, well Cersei would be my choice!

  186. Critical Geek
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:57 am | Permalink

    No theme? Yeah. Lets see how many second sons were featured in this episode….
    Tyrion
    The Hound
    Stannis
    The second son that we’ve seen of Craster’s
    The actual Second Sons

  187. Emilia lover
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:57 am | Permalink

    Finaly a naked Emilia scene again. Hope there will be more next week. She is realy gorgeaus.
    Maybe a lesbian scene with the translatorGirl would be awsome.

  188. Sami
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    I just want to know when we are going to see Yara Greyjoy?!
    We saw her in the clip of the trailer which means that she must be in this season?
    I am going to presume after some events next week! She will be in Ep.10?

  189. Dogmayor
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    Anyone else notice that everyone on the show seems to be wearing an excessive amount of eye makeup? I first noticed it in last weeks episode in the throne room, Joffrey and Tywin were wearing a ton of eye makeup and it was all i could see. The trend continued this week. Very distracting.

  190. Stephen Bosco
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    Seems like a lot is going to be packed into the next episode as I had feared. I fear the key part of the episode is going to be rushed, and as I have mentioned before will have little impact given they have not developed Robb’s army at all. It’s almost to the point where you dont really care about him. They needed more scenes like in season one where his loyal bannermen were all around him cheering king of the north. All he seems to have now now is Bolton and the series has already kinda given away he is not loyal with his treatment of Jamie. They can hastily introduce some other bannermen but it will seem weak as we have not even seen them in the background before. Big mistake.

  191. Icebird
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Literally the only disappointment for me was the “see you in 2 weeks” twist. Works out though, I’d rather watch the biggest episode of the series yet at home as opposed to a hotel next weekend like I was planning.

    Tyrion & Sansa’s wedding was fantastic. Loved everything involving Joffrey especially the bit with Tyrion – That threat will be key next season I think; I can’t freaking wait for more! I don’t remember Tywin having much to do with the wedding in the books but I think they did a great job of blending some scenes into the wedding feast and it was great. Also some great new lines in the episode – “If my father wants somebody fucked I know where he can start.”

    I loved the Dany & Daario scenes. No dragons though. I don’t really like tv Daario and I don’t like him in the books either and I think that’s by design. The scene with Daario and his captains in the Second Son’s camp was a nice addition and it added to the surprise of Daario’s betrayal for Dany. Emilia Clarke is gorgeous – at least her nudity wasn’t awkward as it was for most of her scenes in Season 1 (with Viserys and Drogo’s rape)

    I do like the Gendry sub for Edric Storm. Don’t think it was necessary for Melisandre to screw him, (hard to complain about Carice Van Houten though), for the sake of the story they could have simply established a sense of trust with Melisandre and Stannis for him to simply allow the leeching. Pretty sure Edric just gives it up in the books though it’s only referred to secondhand. I’m guessing we won’t see Balon Greyjoy die next week because it could give the viewers a sense of impending doom for Robb – maybe they’ll save that for the finale and the viewers will know for sure the leeches are working and they’ll have Joffrey’s death to look forward to next year. This could explain Yara’s one expected scene this year.

    SAM THE FUCKING SLAYER!!!!! I’ve been looking forward to this scene forever. For a few weeks I was thinking it might not happen at all. I even screamed at the tv when Sam made it to Craster’s without killing a white walker. Brilliant though how they pulled it off tonight. Love the use of the ravens to raise tension. Totally makes sense that Sam would save Gilly from a white walker since she has a natural fear of losing her son to one. And I guess it’s cheaper that they don’t have to CG a bunch of white walkers and wights as they’d have to do if they kept the Whitetree scene the same from the book. They could simply run into Coldhands now and he wouldn’t have to save them from more white walkers. The white walker’s death wasn’t as it was in the book but the ice effect was very cool. I wonder though how credible his kill will be since Grenn, a man of the Night’s Watch, doesn’t witness it.

    The preview for the next episode makes me think Queenscrown is a for sure thing. Queenscrown, though minor as a location, is one of my favorite sequences in ASOS. Maybe they’ll arrive at Queenscrown in ep. 9 and have Jon Snow’s break for the wall in ep. 10. I’m kinda glad we won’t have to see Ygritte die this season as the battle for Castle Black is apparently waiting for next year.

    Agree with Winter, this rivals episodes 4 & 5 and is a solid top 3 episode for the season. 5/5!

  192. Leo
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco,

    Next episode appears to only be Robb/Arya, Bran/Jon, and Dany. On average, that’s a hardly packed episode. It’s in line with tonight’s: KL/Dragonstone/Dany/Sam.

  193. Phil
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Easily my fav episode of the season so far

  194. Joh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Well put!

    Stephen Bosco,

    Agreed. If I have one serious criticism of this Season, this is it. It feels like Robb and the Army of the North have gotten little to no screentime or character development. The Talisa and Bolton storylines have eclipsed the other Northerners entirely.

    Overall, I think that season 3 has been great, but the King in the North storyline seems to have fallen behind.

  195. outdoorcats
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Yes, in the books Sam kills the WW just before they get back to Craster’s Keep, before the mutiny, with Grenn as his only (living) witness.

    GeekFurious,

    Well, remember in the books, within the Night’s Watch literally no one believed Sam had killed a White Walker except for Grenn, Edd, Commander Mormont… and Dwyen I think? Basically a close circle of his friends. Everyone else thought he and Grenn were lying and many suggested the story was invented to cover up the fact that Sam murdered Small Paul himself by accident.

    So in terms of the opinion regarding Sam among the Night’s Watch changing I don’t really see that as a change at all.

  196. Hodor
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    A good episode, I’d rate it a an 8 (out of 10).

    Lots of talk as usual, but the dialogue was interesting. The ending was cool. I didn’t really expect an episode written by D & D to be at least as good as GRRM’s episode (which didn’t quite live up to my high expectations, although it was still a good episode), but it was indeed.

    I liked the scene with Arya and the Hound. This is also one of my favourite chapters in the book as well.

    The Second Sons guys were cool, just as I’d expected. The whore at the Second Sons camp was one of the sexiest whores in the show: Sweet face, beautiful skin and big breasts.

    The wedding scenes with Tyrion was both funny and tragic at the same time. Sansa also looked very pretty at her wedding.

    Things I was less enthusiastic about: The scene with Gendry and Melisandre.

  197. Lexyvil
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Even I haven’t been paying too much attention to notice that. That’s a very interesting theory and those observations show strong proof. I hope it’s true.

  198. Jenny
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Haha, I looked again and you’re right…

  199. Michael Tschuertz
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Not everthing north of the wall is always winter.

  200. Dan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Uberstellar,

    Wow. What a racist comment. Would it have been cool to have asked if Xaro Xhoan Daxos has to be so Black?

  201. jennyofoldstones
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    That’s a really fascinating theory and one that never occurred to me. Hmmm…

  202. jennyofoldstones
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Hodor,

    What? You didn’t like Mel’s breasts?

  203. jennyofoldstones
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Icebird,

    I agree with everything you wrote. Even though there were some changes from the book, who cares? It all came off really well. Can’t wait for the rest of the episodes – only two more – doesn’t seem enough.

  204. Mike Chair
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    I’m going to re-watch that episode ten times in the next two weeks.

    Arya and The Hound. She want to k̶i̶l̶l̶ assassinate him, but doesn’t know how …. yet. He kidnapped her. She hates him. We hate him. Wait. His brother is worse and he’s taking her to her mom. He’s almost cradling her as they ride on the horse. How sweet? How … chivalrous? Wait. He’s no Ser. He’s only doing it for the money. So much story and character in so little time and it didn’t feel rushed.
    Bravo, D&D and MM!

  205. The Purist
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Sansa kneeling? Daario killing Mero? Sam leaving behind the dragonglass dagger? Leech on Gendry’s woody? Are these idiots even trying anymore?

    What? This show is racist? I can’t believe I’m defending the terrible duo… this show isn’t racist, D&D are just terrible writers, they’re not racist.

  206. abubakar
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    you will be seeing him everywhere in coming seasons

  207. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Michael Tschuertz,

    Everything North of the Wall is far too cold for deciduous trees to survive is all I’m saying.

  208. Paul
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Loved the episode, only thing was Sam leaving the dagger, rates with Syrio not doing a quick dip to swap for a real sword in ep. 1

  209. Alex Also
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Daario is so cheesy!! He looks like he should be on the cover of a Mills and Boon. A cut price Fabio.

    Everyone involved in the design of this show should be winning every available award. There is not one bit that’s not better than anything else on TV – costumes, sets, graphics – all brilliant.

  210. Urban Bran
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    This was probably my favorite episode of the season so far.

  211. duh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    Jake,

    he is TYROSHI! not braavosi!

  212. Tereeza777
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    My b/f asked a question this morning and not sure of the answer – does one director move around to all 4 locations – Belfast, Dubrovnik, etc. – and direct certain scenes for a certain episode or is it the director with the most scenes in an ep who gets the credit? thanks!

  213. Kevin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Not nitpicky at all…his brothers in the Watch gave him the name……

  214. telobsidion
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Leuf:
    Sansa kneeling, gah!Did they really have to turn that completely around?I’m not a book purist and I purposefully didn’t reread ASOS so I wouldn’t be caught up in comparing stupid little differences like I was with season 2, but there are certain things that stand out for me.If there’s one thing I remember about that wedding it’s Sansa refusing to kneel. And they changed it around for what?To remind us that Joffrey is a dick?I think we’ve got that down by now.

    Her marriage was a complete surprise in the books. She didn’t know about it until she was escorted down to it. The show gives her much more time to prepare herself emotionally and even allows for her to interact and react to it with Tyrion. With that additional development and time between their characters, not kneeling would have a different effect than it did in the books.

  215. Gendry
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    The Purist:

    Why post here at all? Or are you perhaps a masochist? Go read the books instead of torturing yourself.

  216. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Suzaku you don’t know what you’re talking about! Daario is obviously Benjen.

  217. Dornishman
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Fiona: Tonight was the first time I heard mention of Meereen on the show, and to me that was confirmation (and relief) that the city will indeed be on the show. Surely that will be the location of Dany for the next season and perhaps beyond.

    Tyrion mentioned the “Meereenese Knot” earlier this season and a Qartheen woman said “Meereenese night market” in Season 2 episode 5.

  218. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Uberstellar: I really feel like the change to pretty boy is demeaning to women viewers.

    I don’t agree – Daario is a pretty boy in the books as well. Read the descriptions after they start having sex. He’s described as lithe, handsome, smooth skin, perfect tight body, beautiful eyes, etc. The only difference seems to be in the ridiculous bling (gold tooth wtf GRRM) which anyone should be glad they left out. Personality wise, he seems about on par with book!Daario.

    I am basically neutral on Daario. I think Dany should fuck whoever the hell she wants and I agree with you that the majority of outrage over his character is due to discomfort with female sexual agency. However it also is so obvious that the relationship is going nowhere in the long term that it gets a little annoying to read about. I felt the same way about Ygritte and Shae for the record.

  219. Dan Spicer
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Tanavast,

    I also think it will help with any potential Coldhands scenes. We wouldn’t want Sam to kill him by accident.

  220. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Not sure why book-readers would be complaining about Sam dropping the dagger when it’s exactly what he does in the book, in his panicked state. It’s Grenn who picks it up.

    As far as Daario goes, I don’t think he has been too prettied up, and I don’t feel particularly demeaned, as a female viewer, as someone complained. Skrein is certainly more attractive than the book description of Daario (in my opinion) since blue hair and gold teeth doesn’t do it for me, but others might disagree. But the TV series has chosen a more muted color palette across the board, so no blue hair. Some have criticized that, I know, but they are going for more realistic looks and types. And I do think Daario came off sleazy, but in a way that might still be attractive to Dany. He’s young, well-built ( http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc9ephS6iX1qis07wo1_500.jpg ) and insolent in a way that might intrigue her. If they turned him into a Prince Charming to please TV viewers, then I might feel insulted, but it seems to me that they merely toned down the outrageousness to fit the tone of the TV show. It’s too soon to make final judgments.
    And hey, he still has his lady daggers that he can fondle at inappropriate moments!

  221. inthefade
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    this is a reply to random comments: While there are probably a thousand Valyrian Steel swords (long swords, 2 handed swords, Mormont’s “Bastard” sword, etc. Daario has one of the only Valyrian Steel Arakhs known to exist. That and his dagger both have the golden handles of naked women, which was shown this episode.

    Sam drops the dragonglass dagger after killing the White Walker with it. Grenn tries to pick it up but it’s freezing cold the first time. the second time it’s normal temperature again, and grenn keeps it. Later they attempt to use a dragonglass dagger against a Wight, and it simply shatters. Wights are just reanimated corpses, your basic zombie. Wight Walkers are something else entirely, beings of ice, and are susceptible to “frozen flame”.

    So no, it wouldn’t matter if he did use it against cold hands. In fact TV GoT he probably should of kept it and tried using it against cold hands (or any other wight), so that this very relevant bit of information would be gleamed by Sam to be relayed to the rest of the Night’s Watch. Again in the books “Sam the Slayer” happens before Craster’s Keep, and it’s Lord Commander Mormont that takes interest in Sam’s story as he knows the watch desperately needs to rediscover the vulnerabilities of the Others.

  222. Nancy
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Rebecca,

    I was screaming that at the TV!

    Stephen Bosco (for whatever reason, my computer won’t let me multi-quote)…you share my concerns exactly.

    It does sadden me to say that when I saw Jon in the preview, I was like, “Oh God no, can’t he sit out another episode, please.” For what reason, both Kit and Emilia’s acting leaves me cold in the show. She doesn’t really show emotion at all and he has one expression.
    I can see Daario serving as Dany’s Talisa though. I don’t expect Ser Jorah or Ser Barristan to trust that guy. And they shouldn’t. And neither should she. Daario looks so much like a long haired Jesse Spencer to me though. I still can’t unsee that (it’s not a bad thing, Jesse is very cute).
    One of the things I mused over last night was the concept of freedom. Particularly with Sansa, Missendei, Gendry, and even Arya. I thought the interactions with Tyrion and Sansa were very thought provoking. “You are no longer a hostage, you are my wife…well, maybe it is like being a hostage…” You see Tyrion trying to make a bad situation better and he does want to do right by her. But either way you slice it, Sansa is still a hostage (it calls back to Tyrion in season 1 calling out Theon’s loyalty to his captors and now he himself his a captor in some sense). She does not have the power to call the shots in her own life. She is still at mercy of Joffrey’s whims as his rape threat reminds her. I am glad the show did have her kneel down for the cloak scene, I know that was done to spare Sansa some undeserved hate she got for that (remember Sansa-still a hostage, has no reason to love or trust anyone with the name Lannister- and in the book, she’s rebelling in any little way possible). And I feel like Dany is about to learn that you can be kindly master, but you are a master still. Missendei certainly has not been given leave to strike out on her own…Dany, like Tyrion, treats her well and means well but Missendei is still a slave in some sense.
    I don’t feel like Gendry is out of the woods yet. I think he has realized, he does not have freedom to choose his own path. Right now, he is as much of a pawn as Sansa, Arya and many others in these books. I think combining him with Edric Storm was a good idea.
    This episode wasn’t one of my favorites but GoT, even on an episode that doesn’t really engage me, is still better then 95% of what passes for television these days. And if this show doesn’t win best show Emmy in the fall, then something is wrong with the Emmy folks.

    Question for those of you with better memories then me. I know the Stark children were all aged up 3 years for show…so wasn’t Sansa 14 in season 1? How much time has passed since season 1 and now? Or am I remembering this all wrong?
    Because of the things I think the show should have done is not have Robb and Jon have beards (much like Gendry and Joffrey don’t) because the beards make Robb and Jon look like men in their mid-20′s (which the actors are) and if you’ve seen Richard and Kit sans beard, they both look so young with out them. I’m thinking if Sansa is 14 now on the show…then Jon and Robb are 17, right?

  223. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins: I feel obligated to point out that TV show Daario is considerably less swarthy than book Daario.

    Technically that’s not true. At one point in ASOS, Dany compares Daario to Jorah, and in that comparison Daario is pale and Jorah swarthy. For the record I would have no problem if they had decided to racebend Daario (that is, cast a person of color) just wanted to say that casting him as a white dude follows book canon.

  224. Baratheon
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Dan in response to Uberstellar:

    “Wow. What a racist comment.”

    I’m so tired of people pulling the race card all the time. If I say that I prefer brunettes instead of blondes, or if I say that I prefer blue rather than green, am I being discriminative? No, it has to do with preference.

    “Would it have been cool to have asked if Xaro Xhoan Daxos has to be so Black?”

    Actually, several people questioned that casting decision, for valid reasons, and I agree with them. In the same way that for example, I think that casting a black girl as Arya would be inappropriate.

    And before you call me a racist as well, perhaps you wouldn’t mind that Ned, Cersei or Joffrey — heck, why not the entire Westeros — were cast with black actors?

    And why is it always about whites or blacks? I’ve yet to see an east-Asian on this show, and the Dothraki (and some of the people east of Westeros) are supposed to be at least slightly east-Asian, aren’t they?

  225. The Winter Rose
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Things I liked:
    - Dario…HELLO! My, my, my that was some good casting there. Really glad they ditched the gold tooth and blue hair stuff.
    - The wedding scene was so well done (with the exception of the costumes – see below). The tension between all the characters was great and wonderfully acted.
    - The Hound and Arya scene was nice. I really like the interaction and chemistry between the actors.
    - I loved the scene with Gilly and Sam discussing names. These two are just too adorable.

    Things I didn’t like:
    - The King’s Landing costumes: But this has been one of my consistent complaints from the start. I love all the other costuming with the exception of the King’s Landing fashions. They come across as too Medeterrian for me and as such seem to have too much of a stylistic crossover with the fashions Across the Narrow Sea. It was just really pronounced here for me because of the wedding scene. The overall design was very lackluster, to me.
    - The White Walker design: Another issue I had from last season when they were first introduced. I think the design looks very fake and cheesy, to me. I wish they had made them be lithe figures in crystaline armor instead. It would have come across as more alien looking to me.
    - Leeches: Nothing actually wrong here – leeches just freak me out XD

    All in all, a great episode.

  226. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Arthur: Daario was simply a victim of her unintentional seduction. Dany won an infantry by wit and daring, and she wins her cavalry by beauty and seduction…

    The hell? This is ridiculously untrue. Not to mention weirdly sexist against both genders?

    Dany wins the Stormcrows by putting the idea into the heads of the captains that maybe she’s the winning side instead of Yunkai. As she says in the books, “the captains of the Stormcrows will be arguing all night”. Daario takes it one step further by killing his comrades. It has nothing to do with her “legendary beauty”. Meanwhile she wins the Second Sons by getting them all drunk and then doing a surprise attack.

  227. Blaat
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Damn this show for actually making me think I will probably like Daario in the series.

  228. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Adam Chazen:
    Glad you guys enjoyed the White Walker scene!Just wanted to point out that the White Walker shatter was done by Entity FX.

    Thanks for the info, Adam! And since you are here, congrats on the Emmy win last season! Hoping for a repeat this year.

    PS How do you manage to work over there in Belfast, so far from any Wawas?

  229. Stephen Bosco
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    What was going on with that scene with Loras and cersei?

  230. Mark Hogan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    To everyone who is wondering why Sam left the obsidian dagger behind after slaying the White Walker : Go back and Watch Season 2 Episode 8, Sam found about 30 of those daggers so leaving that one there is not a critical mistake

    he still has plenty

  231. Olive
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Not to sound nitpicky, but I was extremely bothered by Joff’s remark about how it doesn’t matter which Lannister puts a baby in her belly. I thought it was extremely out-of-character – not because of the threat itself (which is quite in-character and it happened in the book), but because he’s openly admitting he’s a Lannister. It’s like he’s fueling the rumours about himself, when supposedly that character should live in public permanent denial about its parentage.

    Also, while it was good to see Cersei laying all the cards on the table for Marge to see, I hated how they twisted the story behind The Rains of Castamere in order to draw a parellel with the Tyrells. It’s not about social climbing or who’s the richest, it’s about how you don’t laugh or look down at House Lannister (and especially Tywin) and get away with it. It really bothered me, even though I can see the purpose behind this change.

    Other than that, it was a good episode. I love the scenes between Davos and Stannis, those two can certainly act!!!

    Salivating for the next one, can’t believe we have to wait two weeks! *grumbles*

  232. Joan Català
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Much like it happened with Blackwater, this week’s episode benefited from fewer storylines (King’s Landing, Dragonstone, Yunkai, and Sam and Arya too).

    From what can be seen in the preview of episode 9, this will happen too, only visiting Queenscrown (Bran + Jon), the Twins (Arya + Robb) and Yunkai. Perhaps they’ll touch briefly other places too.

  233. Ismael (I am Comics)
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    coronaking: Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

    WELL SAID!!

  234. zambi76
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Nancy: Question for those of you with better memories then me. I know the Stark children were all aged up 3 years for show…so wasn’t Sansa 14 in season 1? How much time has passed since season 1 and now? Or am I remembering this all wrong?
    Because of the things I think the show should have done is not have Robb and Jon have beards (much like Gendry and Joffrey don’t) because the beards make Robb and Jon look like men in their mid-20′s (which the actors are) and if you’ve seen Richard and Kit sans beard, they both look so young with out them. I’m thinking if Sansa is 14 now on the show…then Jon and Robb are 17, right?

    Sansa said she was 13 in the pilot episode and in this episode she said she is 14 (probably almost 15 though) so less than two years have passed. Robb’s and Jon’s ages where never mentioned on the show IIRC, but it was said that the rebellion was 17-18 years ago in season 1, so they’re supposedly 18 now. (Their book ages are 12/almost 13 and 16 respectively at this point.)

  235. B
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Uberstellar,

    Totally agree on all counts. The casting of Daario is lacking. I thought so from the moment he spoke. I also hoped that they would use this opportunity to add more color to their casting since in the books I believe he is a bit more brown.

  236. ebevan91
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Olive:
    Not to sound nitpicky, but I was extremely bothered by Joff’s remark about how it doesn’t matter which Lannister puts a baby in her belly. I thought it was extremely out-of-character – not because of the threat itself (which is quite in-character and it happened in the book), but because he’s openly admitting he’s a Lannister. It’s like he’s fueling the rumours about himself, when supposedly that character should live in public permanent denial about its parentage.

    Also, while it was good to see Cersei laying all the cards on the table for Marge to see, I hated how they twisted the story behind The Rains of Castamere in order to draw a parellel with the Tyrells. It’s not about social climbing or who’s the richest, it’s about how you don’t laugh or look down at House Lannister (and especially Tywin) and get away with it. It really bothered me, even though I can see the purpose behind this change.

    Other than that, it was a good episode. I love the scenes between Davos and Stannis, those two can certainly act!!!

    Salivating for the next one, can’t believe we have to wait two weeks! *grumbles*

    Joffrey’s mom is a Lannister (just assume he’s Robert’s son for a moment), therefore he’s a Lannister.

  237. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    For those Stannis fans who are still afraid that the show is misrepresenting him, check out these quotes from completely unspoiled viewers on another forum:

    We saw that Stannis is not religious wants to use the power of the LoL to get on the throne. And we saw again that Stannis is a man of his deed. He didn’t ask for being King, hell maybe he didn’t want to be King, but he has to be, so he does everything get there. Its his job. What a remarkable man.

    Absolute chills during the conversation between Stannis and Davos. for several reasons. First the emotions visible in both of them, most noticably the cold Stannis, the tears forming in his eyes, his look as Davos confirmed why he was being set free. It may never affect his rational ways but something stirs in stannis still.

    Stephen Dillane AND the writers are clearly nailing it. So stop yer whining! ;)

  238. Olive
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    ebevan91: Joffrey’s mom is a Lannister (just assume he’s Robert’s son for a moment), therefore he’s a Lannister.

    Yes I am aware of that, but it still seemed out of place for me. He’s supposed to be Joffrey of the House Baratheon by title, not Joffrey of the House Lannister, even though everyone knows the Lannisters are ruling Westeros, because like that it just seems he’s publicly acknowledging the rumours (the truth!) about the twincest. Again, it’s just my opinion and my two cents, it just didn’t work for me, but I can see how it might have worked for other people :)

  239. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    B: I also hoped that they would use this opportunity to add more color to their casting since in the books I believe he is a bit more brown.

    Daario is actually described as being paler than Jorah, so he probably is not brown. It’s vague. But I agree it was a role they could have cast with an actor of color. I’m not going to hold that against Ed Skrein when judging his performance, however.

  240. A Storm of S-Words
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Awesome episode. I’m tired of saying “my only complaint is…” Think positive!

    And every bit of nudity was essential to the story.

  241. valyrian
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    I believe we won’t see THAT cold character until Bran sees him. Sorry spoiler tags not working.

  242. hare
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Loved the episode.

    Only small nitpick is that leeches don’t hurt at all, in fact you can’t feel when they are pulled off because they have an anesthetic in their saliva, so if Gendry is yelling it is solely from the squick factor (not that I blame him). Also because they release an anticogulant when you pull one off it bleeds a lot, like run down your side amounts.

    I’ve had some unfortunate encounters in the wild, lol.

    Also about the Kings Landing costumes. My mental geography shorthand for Kingslanding has always been Constantinople so Med influences in fashion, food, and castle decor have made sense to me.

    As an aside my mental shorthand for Dorne is Islamic Spain, curious to see how far off I am with that when we start meeting characters in the future.

  243. babar
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/taxonomy/term/29044/game-thrones-s03e08-recap-review-spoiler-alert

    This guy thinks that Sansa and Tyrion’s wedding is the Red Wedding. He’s in for a surprise. ;)

    “Could the Red Wedding get any more awful?”

    :D

  244. A Storm of S-Words
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Couldn’t help but think of Daenerys singing in another bathtub scene:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ySSeQ3bCxo

  245. ebevan91
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    babar:
    http://www.vancouverobserver.com/taxonomy/term/29044/game-thrones-s03e08-recap-review-spoiler-alert

    This guy thinks that Sansa and Tyrion’s wedding is the Red Wedding. He’s in for a surprise. ;)

    Oh dear LOL. I mean, we did see red, right? Cloaks were red, wine was red, faces were kinda red too.

  246. tysnow
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    I don’t think the leech burning was magical per say, Mel was using her ability to see the future to manipulate Davos and keep Stannis under her power.
    She would know Balon falls into the ocean during a storm at Pyke, that Robb will be betrayed and Joff justly assasinated.
    Thereby the ritual was just theatrics to showcase her magic and lol’s capability, notice the order of the leech placement on Gendry, this will be the order of death. Casual viewers will realize this by seasons end and will be looking forward to the method of Joff’s demise next season.

  247. Ned's Head
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Could be that they will skip Coldhands meeting Sam, instead having Bran and co. meeting him first in the finale.

  248. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    My favourite episode of the season, one of the best in the whole series. The wedding between Tyrion and Sansa is one of my favourite events in the books, particularly given how it is such a total shock to her (favourite in the sense of Joffrey being a great character, not a nice person – it’s not something nice that happens but a really emotionally charged event). I was interested to see what might change in the show given the changes that had already happened (e.g. Sansa was supposed to be planning to marry Loras instead of Willas, and she was told in advance that she would marry Tyrion instead and thus wasn’t shocked on the morning of the wedding).

    I think that the adjustments in this episode were very well made. It made sense for Sansa not to kneel before Tyrion in the book. She thought that she was being made a nice gown because she was growing into a woman and needed a new wardrobe (doubly so after ruining her old clothes with the smoke when she tried to burn her bedding after her first flowering). It was like a punch in the gut when she was dressed in the lovely new gown and then told that she was going to marry Tyrion, that she could walk to the ceremony with dignity or she would be dragged kicking and screaming but she would be forcibly married either way. Refusing to kneel is the one chance that she gets to give this wedding, which she didn’t want, a giant “Fuck you.” She does feel a stab of conscience at humiliating Tyrion but she just has to take something for herself. It wouldn’t make as much sense for her to do that in the show. She’s had time to react to the shock and to absorb what’s going to happen. For Sansa, that typically means time to don her armour of courtesy, and that’s just what happens here. She follows the rules of politeness and hopes that this will force others to do the same with regard to her, that she can be protected from the worst that might happen to her in this way.

    I was wondering how the bedroom scene with Tyrion and Sansa would pan out. I think that the show version was a brilliant adaptation. We don’t need to see the two of them naked on the bed to realize how vulnerable they are. Sansa being down to her shift and just about to take that off is enough. In fact, the simplicity and relative formlessness of the shift emphasises that she’s still just a child in many way. And I like that Tyrion said “And now my watch begins” instead of “That is why the gods made whores for imps like me.” Frankly, it’s looking at the moment like he’ll have no sex from either his wife *or* his whore, given the different writing of Shae, so it’s a much more sober and appropriate comment. And honestly I liked that Tyrion was less needy in the bedroom scene as well, less pleading in trying to make Sansa pity-love him. He hopes that one day her feelings will change but he’s not so hopelessly unthinking of what this must be like for her as to focus much, much more on his own desire for validation from a trembling child-bride. I am very pleased that they left in Sansa’s line “What if I never want you to?” Not that I thought there was much chance of them leaving it out, but I view this line as essential to this scene. It shows that she’s not obliged to fall in love with Tyrion because he’s not taking advantage of her. It’s a challenge to Tyrion’s promise: was it just something he said in the hope that she would relent in time and that he would eventually get a wife who agrees to sleep with him *and* who loves him? Or is she really free to not ever want to sleep with him, free of the threat of being forced against her will? She had to ask that question and it shows both her bravery and her understanding of the dynamic of power in her situation.

    There were a lot of little things that pointed to the book as well, like a moment where handmaiden dabs perfume on Sansa’s neck, that showed extraordinary attention to detail. The added details were very nice too. The Tyrells standing on the “bride’s side” of the ceremony seems to symbolise that they genuine do care for and support Sansa even though their attempt to marry her into their family was thwarted, and Olenna’s comments that when the Cersei-Loras and Joffrey-Margaery marriages happen then they’ll all be related in a bevy of ways was hilarious. I really want to know what Sansa and Varys were talking about after Sansa got up from the table when Tyrion was wiping his face on the tablecloth. Tyrion raising his cup in commiseration to Loras was excellent also. Later, it was echoed in a lonely way when Tyrion raised his cup in a toast that wasn’t echoed or even noticed by Sansa as she gulped down some wine to help her get through the night. He’s trying to reach out to her or forge a connection but she feels utterly alone.

    Anyway, I’ve got to give the showmakers A+ on their adaptation of the wedding. I am not disappointed by it in any way. A triumph.

    I liked the rest of the episode too but that’s probably enough comment for now.

  249. Ned's Head
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Although, weren’t the ravens his? Why else would so many ravens land in that tree if not under Coldhand’s control?

  250. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Apologize in advance if somebody post this already (not gonna read the whole thread), but Stannis said last night “We do our duty, large or small, we do our duty.”

    If I remember correctly, that’s a direct quote from the book. But I’m not sure it was from *that* scene (not even sure that scene was in the books).

    So – does anybody remember what that’s from?

  251. Ned's Head
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    I’m starting to think Coldhands will have a Michonne-style debut in the finale

  252. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Mark Hogan:
    To everyone who is wondering why Sam left the obsidian dagger behind after slaying the White Walker : Go back and Watch Season 2 Episode 8, Sam found about 30 of those daggers so leaving that one there is not a critical mistake

    he still has plenty

    While you may be right, technically, there’s a couple problems:

    1 – It never showed Sam grab all 30, so it’s a bit of a stretch to assume he did.
    2 – It’s even more of a stretch to ask the audience to remember something a season and a half ago

  253. dPhantom
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco:
    What was going on with that scene with Loras and cersei?

    Loras was going to make small talk and strike up a conversation with Cersei about their pending nuptials, but being the b!tch that she is, she shoots him down. Hahaha burn.

  254. Hollyoak
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    The average viewer probably won’t pick up on the fact that Sam used Dragonglass to kill the white walker. I’m sure someone will have to mention it in the next episode. If they don’t, it’s going to cause confusion. It looked like an ordinary dagger. And please don’t expect the “previously on” to explain it. It was a quick mention of obsidian that most casual fans probably didn’t get.

    Also, it was great that Dany said, ” I am just a young girl and do not know the ways of war…”

    If the Lord of Light does not exist, how did Beric Dondarion come back from the dead?

  255. Ryan71
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    How about Joffrey acting as Sansa’s father and walking her down the aisle. What a dick.

  256. Roger König
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Is it just me or did anyone else think that the face on the weirwood tree looked alot like a white walkers face?

  257. B
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Yeah, I had to re read on Daario. You are right, Ours. . He is lighter than Jorah, and Jorah is darker in the books than on the show but still a Westerosi.

    Aside from the hue of his skin, I don’t like the choice of the actor because of his presence. He just seems dweeby to me. Not as much of a badass as I would have liked. I am not sold, yet.

    Generally speaking. . .
    I would still love to see a bit more diversity on the show in the way of Essos casting choices. It may not be Black people, but more people of a darker, more brownish or yellowish hue. A lot of people may wonder why some viewers care about this at all. It is because, as a person of color myself, it would be nice to see it possible for people like us to be on shows we love and watch with passionate enthusiasm. Is it too much to ask that we have a few faces we can identify with? Those who argue that it shouldn’t matter, why not have them cast some faces of color if it really doesn’t matter?

    I just hope they include the summer Islanders on the ship with Sam and Gilly when they sail out to Essos.

  258. redqueen
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Really enjoyed this episode. Lots of great lines. Thought Cersei was great. Marjorey is getting a bit too smirky.
    Melisandre had some great lines all, is she the queen of the dead???

    The ravens showing the white walker where the baby is. Who sends the ravens – isn’t it Bloodraven. Won’t Bran soon be a student of Bloodraven??

  259. TheWoodOfTheMorning
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Arya & the Hound (even in their short screen time thus far) has already surpassed last season’s SanSan scenes for me. Sophie Turner is amazing, but Maisie Williams is better. Here’s hoping they show the Hound wielding that poleaxe outside the Twins

  260. telobsidion
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    People use the magic as proof of the religion, but that’s not necessarily true. The religion may have evolved around the magic, and of course the Red Priests have their own cult and learning institutions around it. They’re not the only ones who use it, though. Mirri Maz Duur uses it, and she doesn’t believe in R’hllor. It’s the same magic that brings Dany’s dragons back to life, too.

    Valyrian magic worked as well, and they had a pantheon of gods, if I remember correctly.

  261. Sami
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    redqueen,

    the three eyed raven? maybe…

  262. Lina
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    One of the best episodes to date – of the season and the show. I enjoyed the pace of this episode. I felt like a lot happened, but nothing felt rushed. It felt like you got to really live with these characters for a little while.

    Sam the Slayer was really well done. The CGI looked amazing. In the book, the Other melted into a puddle, but I much prefer the way it died in the show – the petrification just LOOKED much cooler. And then it cracked and the ice-dust blew off into the woods. I found that rather poetic…a reminder that the white walkers are intrinsically tied to the forest north of the Wall, that they are always present there.

    And I think the venue change gives Sam more agency because he did what he did to save Gilly. Thus far, that’s the only scene where we’ve truly seen a NW brother fulfill his mission to protect innocents from the dangers beyond the Wall (Jon tried with Craster’s baby but didn’t succeed…). I think now it will be that much more sad (and poignant) when very few people believe the story. And as a note, John Bradley is adorable as Sam. I love how he is simultaneously self-deprecating and joyfully optimistic.

    The wedding scene was one of my favorites from the series because it felt so intimate. We spend so much time in secret chambers with political plots, or in war councils, or in brothels, but we don’t often get to see a simple family gathering. This was such a layered, subtle look at all the major personalities in King’s Landing. Even the background action gives insight into characters (i.e. Loras was chatting up that guy while Cersei/Margaery walked past). I’m glad they finally explained “The Rains of Castamere,” and I found Cersei’s threat to be so spot-on for her character. All she wants is to be Tywin, and so she threatened Margaery by referencing her father’s most notorious act of dominance. Drunk Tyrion was hilarious, but also depressing, and the scene in the bedchamber was both sad and sweet.

    I quite like what they’ve done with Daario. There’s no way his appearance described in the novels would have translated successfully to the screen, especially without the context of the standards of style and beauty in the Free Cities. In Tyrosh, it’s normal for men to dye their hair and wear motley, flamboyant raiment. And for the most part, characters from the rest of the ASOIAF world accept this without questioning sexuality, physical ability or political/economic position. But in our modern Western world, this type of fashion would undoubtedly be met with such questions. And people need to recognize that despite his flair, he’s a dangerous and ruthless man. I think Ed Skrein has thus far nailed the arrogance and devil-may-care qualities of Daario’s persona that are so integral to his character. He has a definite charisma and physical attractiveness that will pull Dany toward him. And they gave him his arakh and stiletto with lady hilts – more exciting and telling of who Daario is than any dyed mustache could ever be!

  263. Bill Volk
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Ned’s Head,

    I think in the book the swarm of ravens was following a swarm of wights. That’s good eatin.;

  264. mcspore
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Michel,

    Sandor

  265. boyo71
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Ron Glenn:
    You’ve got to be kidding me! A week off? REALLY?! When have they taken a week off in the last two years? Not at all! And suddenly they need one? And they’re not even working on the day of, the footage has ALREADY been shot AND edited. What the F***?! HBO is lazy and stupid.

    The fact that they are taking a break certainly doesn’t jive with the perception that HBO cares nothing about ratings and only about subscriptions.

  266. czechgirl
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    yey, after two weaker episodes, this one was really great. And am I weird if I say that I have a girl crush on Melisandra??? and I love that my Unsullied friends have no idea about whom is the Red wedding. Of course they heard the name, but they think it includes Cersei, because red color is her house´s color, and she hates the very idea of marrying Loras. And please excuse my English:)

  267. myrishlenscrofter
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Enter Daario, the Kevin Federline of Essos.

  268. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    GG:
    Steven Swanson,

    Of course that’s what occurs to me while I watch. GoT is a beautiful show. Not taking in the environment in which it is set would be a crime. I’m not saying it detracted from the Sam-the-Slayer scene. I’m just saying that, when the scene opened, I noticed it straight away and it took my out of the show for a second. Up until Sam appeared, the trees made me think we were with Bran again.

    I watched an episode of Planet Earth (the Attenborough stuff) and there are deciduous (leaves fall off) and non-deciduous (leaves all year ’round) trees in polar landscapes. They’re quite beautiful.

  269. Suzaku
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Violentos:
    Suzaku,

    This blew my mind. Although, I can’t see a motive for Jaqen to disguise himself as a sellsword earning money. Even if his plan was to get close to Danny, how would he know her plans and that she would be coming that direction with the intention of sacking the cities?

    I think most of the speculation regarding Daario’s motivation is rooted in the idea that he could be working for Euron Greyjoy.

    It’s made extremely clear that Balon is killed by a Faceless Man less than a month before Feast. And then, the Alchemist’s infiltration of the Citadel also seems like something Euron would be behind, given his fascination with ancient, magical artifacts.

    So I suppose the thinking is that he may have at least one Faceless Man in his service. I guess the idea would be the Euron wants Dany for his bride, and is sending Victarion and his fleet to obtain her, though he obviously doesn’t trust him. So he’s got another “agent” there to protect her for himself.

    Heck, I’ve even seen rumors that Euron himself is a Faceless Man…

  270. Hawk
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Very well done episode, all around…perhaps the best hour of the show thus far from a writing/directing/storytelling aspect…I hope it serves as a pattern of things to come as the story grows bigger…less characters/less story-lines per episode, and spend more time on a smaller number of characters/stories, giving the actors a chance to act and interact on camera, instead of just reciting lines…this is how most episodes of GOT should be plotted and executed…

    kudos to D&D, best episode they have written thus far, top to bottom…kudos to Michelle McLaren as well…she handles the slower, expository scenes very well, and the action at the end of this episode was a cut above the previous…

  271. realitytripz
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    This was an awesome read. Interesting similarities

  272. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh,

    Yes I know. And those trees were deciduous. I live in Ireland. I know what our trees look like.

  273. Clob
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I thought Daario’s description was ‘three-pronged beard dyed blue, blue eyes and a mustache painted gold.’

  274. TheWoodOfTheMorning
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    Jake: Daario: I’m fairly okay with the apparent merging of sellsword companies into one company and putting him there; makes sense trying to limit the running tab of names and things to keep straight in the TV universe. Also okay with the look, as there is presently ZERO context for anyone from Braavos looking outlandish with wildly colored hair and stuff. Without overt exposition (which GoT tends to avoid) to explain it it would have looked VARY out of place

    Daario is from Tyrosh, not Braavos. And while Braavosi are not known to dress outlandishly, the Tyroshi typically do wildly color their hair. I feel 2 sentences of dialogue could’ve explained that.

  275. Turncloak
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Clob,

    They didn’t want to make Daario look like a cartoon so I understand the change

  276. Mark Hogan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Ed,

    you’re definitely right about that

    but they may mention that he has others in a later episode

    anyways, he should have taken that dagger even though he has others, never hurts to have more given the hundreds and possibly thousands of white walkers out there

    I was just putting the info out there so people wouldn’t think it was inconsistent writing on the showrunners’ part

  277. telobsidion
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I was hoping they’d still give him a gold tooth if nothing else. It’s not something I’m upset about, though.

  278. Mark
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    To be honest, I’ve never understood why Stannis wants to kill Robb Stark. Robb has no interest in the iron throne and this is known. On top of it, Robert was great friends with Ned and the Starks and Baratheons always got along. I mean, I know Stannis and Robert were not so close, but the main point is that Robb has no interest in the iron throne. Why not form allegiance?

  279. Clob
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Fiona: Tonight was the first time I heard mention of Meereen on the show, and to me that was confirmation (and relief) that the city will indeed be on the show. Surely that will be the location of Dany for the next season and perhaps beyond.

    I had been just assuming it would be in. However, I keep noticing that the opening map hasn’t left room for it where it’s suppose to be on Slaver’s Bay. That can be edited of course, but the pyramid structures of the show’s Yunkai… Did it have pyramids like Meereen in the books? I don’t recall that but maybe. Anyway, I’m starting to wonder about it. If it’s removed that’s even less for Dany’s written storyline.

  280. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Tanavast:
    TT,

    I assumed he was scared shitless and wasn’t really thinking straight. It makes sense to me that all he would be thinking is “HOLY SHIT WE’RE GONNA LIVE, RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN.” And not, “oh hey, you know I bet that dagger will be useful later on, I should stop and pick it up out of the icy remnants of the demon that I just somehow managed to kill.” Sure it’s easy to pick out a poor decision like that from where we’re sitting, but probably not so easy at all in the situation, especially for a fearful person like Sam.

    The problem with Sam picking it up before they run is that he is not supposed to be able to safely do that. The heat coming off of the dagger after it kills one of the Others is supposed to be hot enough to burn flesh. The blade had to cool down first. There was no way to be true to that aspect of the story AND keep up with the pacing of running from the area.

  281. Hawk
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Robb will not bend the knee to Stannis, which Stannis would require him to do.

  282. Clob
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Everybody has enjoyed mentioning that Sam should have grabbed the dagger, myself included. Fact of the matter is though, he won’t need it anymore. At least not anytime soon. I doubt he’s going to face off with a Walker again if he can help it.

  283. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Mark Hogan:
    To everyone who is wondering why Sam left the obsidian dagger behind after slaying the White Walker : Go back and Watch Season 2 Episode 8, Sam found about 30 of those daggers so leaving that one there is not a critical mistake

    he still has plenty

    There’s no indication Sam’s schlepping the whole bundle around with him. He didn’t have it when the White Walker army arrived at the Fist and he had no opportunity to grab it after that battle. What he was carrying as he and Gilly arrived at the weirwood tree I can’t say for sure, but I figured it was clothes, blankets, food etc. Also, he had shown Gilly just a single spear point (not a dagger) that he had taken along as a curio. When Grenn discovered the cache at the Fist of First Men, none of them saw a connection between the horn and the blades beyond confirmation that the Night’s Watch war against the wildlings has been going on for thousands of years. Apparently, Sam had concluded obsidian weapons were simply all the rangers had before steel was invented. It would have been a sly reference to Sylvio Forel/Arya and Brienne/bear if the show had included something akin to a maquahuitl in the cache at the time, but they didn’t.

    While the CGI for the WW’s death was excellent, what I liked most about this week’s final scene was the ancillary information: after singing that totally inappropriate lullaby about the Father and he Maiden in episode 6, this time Sam had sought out a weirwood tree – quite possibly the one where he and Jon had sworn their oath. For once, the eyes of the face in the tree were not weeping sap. In addition, ravens gathered from all around as if they knew was about to happen. Was this event foretold in some long-forgotten prophecy, perhaps? On a practical note, they certainly squawked loudly enough to deny the White Walker the element of surprise. Either way, we now know all ravens are connected to the supernatural, even if the three-eyed one is extra-special: the medium is the message and the messengers are mediums. If even Stannis had a vision of a “battle in the snow” in Mel’s flames, what are the chances Jojen/Bran/Rickon will all end up having identical dreams again Real Soon Now?

    I also enjoyed the additional semantic layer implied by the visual nod to Alfred Hitchcock at the very end: after all, it was Sam’s hormonal attraction to Gilly that began this entire sequence of events. However, it would have been in keeping with her eminently practical character to try and pick up the weapon while Sam the Hero was already running away “screaming like a little girl”. The ravens setting off fast and low above her head could then have frightened her (and the baby) sufficiently to abandon the effort, leaving the storyline intact: they’re going to need more dragonglass. A lot more – and the only source they know of is already behind enemy lines.

  284. telobsidion
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Uh… because he’s in open rebellion and trying to secede from the realm Stannis is laying claim to? Stannis considers it his duty to be king of all Seven Kingdoms. He’d never suffer letting half the kingdom just leave. Robb has a duty to kneel to Stannis, at least in Stannis’ mind, and Robb refuses to.

  285. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Then why is she so shocked at Thoros’ ability to raise Beric from the dead? I’m not disagreeing with your theory, necessarily, but that doesn’t seem to jibe with it.

  286. Nagga's Kin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Mark:
    To be honest, I’ve never understood why Stannis wants to kill Robb Stark. Robb has no interest in the iron throne and this is known. On top of it, Robert was great friends with Ned and the Starks and Baratheons always got along. I mean, I know Stannis and Robert were not so close, but the main point is that Robb has no interest in the iron throne. Why not form allegiance?

    Simple: Stannis wants to be king of the whole realm. Secessionists will not be tolerated.

  287. sean
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Quite amazed at all the good reviews. After a 2nd viewing I came to the thorough conclusion that this was the worst episode of the season and one of the worst of the series.

    I think I’d prefer to dislike it while everyone else loves it rather than the other way around, but I wasn’t expecting so much praise for an episode that was disjointed and flooded with fan service.

  288. Michael Tschuertz
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    easy. Robb is fight to break away from the iron throne, taking away both the north and the riverlands.
    In stannis’s view he is a traitor to the iron throne.

  289. Suzaku
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Mark:
    To be honest, I’ve never understood why Stannis wants to kill Robb Stark. Robb has no interest in the iron throne and this is known. On top of it, Robert was great friends with Ned and the Starks and Baratheons always got along. I mean, I know Stannis and Robert were not so close, but the main point is that Robb has no interest in the iron throne. Why not form allegiance?

    First off, Stannis has always resented Ned, and views Robert’s love for Ned as one of the underlying causes for himself being wronged.

    Second, Stannis is the rightful heir and Robb is a rebel, even if they’re fighting the same enemies. Plus, Robb tried to ally with Renly. If Robb had approached Stannis the situation may have been difference. I don’t think Stannis knows that Robb has no interest in the Throne, but I also don’t think he’d abide by allowing a portion of his Kingdom to cecede.

  290. Lina
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Mark:
    To be honest, I’ve never understood why Stannis wants to kill Robb Stark. Robb has no interest in the iron throne and this is known. On top of it, Robert was great friends with Ned and the Starks and Baratheons always got along. I mean, I know Stannis and Robert were not so close, but the main point is that Robb has no interest in the iron throne. Why not form allegiance?

    Stannis’ major character flaw is his unwillingness to ever compromise. He has a black-white sense of morality and fails to see shades of gray. Robb has no interest in the Iron Throne, true, but he’s leading a North that is fighting to secede from the Seven Kingdoms. Stannis can’t “think outside the box,” can’t fathom a Seven Kingdoms without the North, and therefore sees Robb as an enemy usurper.

  291. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Or was the blade freezing cold? Not sure which — but it wasn’t possible to safely handle it – that’s the point.

  292. Jambo
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Maybe it’s been a while since I read that section, but doesn’t the Dragonglass melt or something after being used to kill one of the White Walkers? I see a bunch of people wondering why Sam didn’t grab it afterwards, seems like such a small thing to focus on to me.

  293. Alan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Great episode. Top 5 of the entire series for me and possibly even higher.

    *I agree with those that think Sansa kneeling is more in line with what has happened earlier in the series and what happened in the last two episodes. That said, I wish they had kept it like it is; I like when two characters I like and root for have reasonable conflict between them. It’s okay for one or both to be wrong sometimes.

    *It wasn’t apparent to me that Davos’ intervention kept Gendry alive — but I assume I just missed it.

    *Other than that, spectacular episode. Sam the Slayer was scary and awesome. Just brilliant. (And you have no imagination if you can’t see a way the Watch names him that/finds out).

    *The wedding was great. Drunk Tyrion and Cersei are awesome. The Arya-Hound scene was excellent as well.

    *Dany’s scenes continue to rock. What more could people ask for?

  294. TC
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    No Theon – great episode…

  295. Modular
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Tanavast:
    TT,

    It makes sense to me that all he would be thinking is “HOLY SHIT WE’RE GONNA LIVE, RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN.” And not, “oh hey, you know I bet that dagger will be useful later on, I should stop and pick it up out of the icy remnants of the demon that I just somehow managed to kill.” Sure it’s easy to pick out a poor decision like that from where we’re sitting, but probably not so easy at all in the situation, especially for a fearful person like Sam.

    Completely agree. Sam’s actions were not about being stupid or smart, they were driven by FEAR and PANIC and ANGER and RELIEF. If Sam were a trained warrior he might have snatched up the dragonglass blade as a reflex, but he isn’t , so he grabbed the only things that mattered to him–Gilly and the Baby– and they ran.

  296. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Loved this episode! Great stuff.

    Cersei is SUCH a bitch!! LOL Love it!

  297. Varymyr4Skins
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    Yes I could definitely see your point on how that might look to viewers. It was probably a better decision

  298. Hawk
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Lina,

    actually, Stannis isn’t as uncompromising as he has been made out to be…he makes plenty of compromises, at Jon’s suggestion, to win over the North to his cause in ADWD…

  299. Violentos
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    I know this is very nitpicky, but I’d really like to see more scenes of Tyrion with a book in his hand, or talking about the history of Westeros. Not sure if the viewer constantly requires reminders that Tyrion is smart, but well, it’s ultimately what he’s known for and I haven’t seen as much Tyrion witt this season it feels like.

    Also, where the heck has Tommen been? They should at least keep him in the backround of the show for later down the road when he sits the throne.

  300. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Liz B.:
    Steel_Wind,

    Then why is she so shocked at Thoros’ ability to raise Beric from the dead? I’m not disagreeing with your theory, necessarily, but that doesn’t seem to jibe with it.

    Possibilities:

    1- That she was shocked that Thoros could do it, when she could not;
    2- That her real fascination was that it ought not to be possible for someone to be brought back so many times; and,
    3- My favourite explanation and one that I was partial to before Season 2 began: because while we as readers comprehend what Melisandre is, it is far less clear that Melisandre herself understands what she is. Melisandre herself may not even know she is undead. We, as readers, have a perspective, information and overall context that she lacks. And we aren’t emotionally involved. Only Mel has a horse in that race.

    Before you reject this explanation out of hand, we see this with other aspects of Mel’s reasoning where we as readers say: You’re getting it WRONG! That’s not what the vision means, not what the prophecy means, etc.

    In this case, she may not truly understand what was done to her at the Temple.

    Just as Mel weaves a glamour about Mance, someone else may have woven the initial spell about Mel. She’s ignoring the truth of her circumstances and in denial because that’s what a real person would also do with incomplete information.

    Lastly, GRRM has said — with a twinkle in his eye — that he believes Melisandre is his “most misunderstood” character. He’s acknowledging that he is having a joke at our expense – and that’s the critical “misunderstanding”: She’s undead.

  301. Govnor
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    The episode was outstanding. Certainly in the top tier of the entire series.

    I glanced at the time, it was 9.58, my reaction was “Nooooooooooooo”

  302. Mike Chair
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Violentos: Also, where the heck has Tommen been? They should at least keep him in the backround of the show for later down the road when he sits the throne.

    A couple of people commented concern about this. I’m not worried about it. I think that Cersei/Tommen scene in “Blackwater” last season was powerful enough to solidify people’s memory of Tommen.

  303. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Mark: I’ve never understood why Stannis wants to kill Robb Stark. Robb has no interest in the iron throne and this is known.

    This is addressed during the episode when Renly, Stannis and Catelyn meet. Stannis will not accept some “pretender” “stealing half his realm.” Also don’t forget, because of the Tully alliance, Robb has claimed the Riverlands as well as the North as his kingdom.

  304. Doug
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Hard Truths,

    It makes all the sense in the world actually. Episode 9 is the pivotal episode in each of the first 2 seasons, and this 3rd season as well. Yet, last year “Blackwater” fell on Memorial Day Weekend in the United States and it received the lowest ratings of the entire year. The most important episode with the lowest ratings. Think about that for a second.

    So to me it makes perfect sense to skip the holiday weekend and not sacrifice the ratings for what should be a memorable episode.

  305. QueenofThorns
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Your theory is reasonable (I’ve spent enough time on Westeros.org to have heard it myself and I consider it possible), but it would be nice if you would stop acting like people who don’t agree with it are dimwits who should reread the books.

  306. Lina
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Hawk,

    Not sure exactly what you’re referring to, and my memory of late ASOS through ADWD is a bit rusty, but I remember Stannis taking (or trying to take) a lot more than he gives in his dealings with the NW, the wildlings, the Northmen. He offers Jon legitimization, but only if as Lord of Winterfell he pledges fealty, no? Also, I think there’s a distinction between dealing with these groups of people and dealing with the other kings. No one up north has a crown on his head, so they’re not proper threats to his perceived right to the Iron Throne.

    That said, I hope Stannis is becoming more compromising, as it would show character growth and make readers reevaluate him. I’m really interested to see how he reacts when/if he learns about Aegon (or IF Dany ever gets back). Both Targaryens have a better claim than him. Would he honor their dynasty?

  307. Eor!
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Not sure why book-readers would be complaining about Sam dropping the dagger when it’s exactly what he does in the book, in his panicked state. It’s Grenn who picks it up.

    After almost every episode there’s at least one person who bitches about how they ruined it by changing something, when they didn’t. People bitched in season 1 when Luwin said “Is there going to be a battle in the godswood?” to Robb, when Jaquen said the Red God demanded 3 deaths, etc. Honestly there was more but now I can’t remember, anyone else help me out?

    Also, about the Meli discussion : I don’t buy that she’s dead. Maybe dead in the sense that the Three-Eyed Crow is “dead” and still living through of magic, but not in the Beric sense of death. Plus we know that magic is only starting to return to the world, and if she really is that old then she would have been resurrected a long time ago. Plus if she was glamouring herself you’d think her ruby would constantly be pulsing red, which it does she uses magic

    Steel_Wind:

    Lastly, GRRM has said — with a twinkle in his eye — that he believes Melisandre is his “most misunderstood” character. He’s acknowledging that he is having a joke at our expense – and that’s the critical “misunderstanding”: She’s undead.

    Yeah, you’re not Glen Beck. Take out the stuff you made up and all you have is that Grrm said she was the most misunderstood. Most people seem to think she’s out for gain, it’s become pretty clear that she’s just a real believer. And that quote was from before Adwd.

  308. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    GG:
    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh,

    Yes I know. And those trees were deciduous. I live in Ireland. I know what our trees look like.

    If they’re closer to the Wall then what’s the problem with filming in Ireland anyway?

    And good for you. It’s difficult being polite online, isn’t it?

  309. Shock Me
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    BTR,

    I think it would have been helpful for him to tug on it and not be able to pull it out and fall on his ass. That way when all the ravens came people would say ” Sam you dumbshit get the hell out of there.

  310. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    Plus we know that magic is only starting to return to the world, and if she really is that old then she would have been resurrected a long time ago.

    One of the points that make me uncertain of Mel’s state of being. I lean towards unnaturally old kept alive by magic/ faith, but I’m not opposed to the undead theory completely. Just have a few questions like you.

    If she is in fact undead, why does her ruby even react when she drinks Maester Creesen’ s poison? The glowing ruby seems to imply her god or magic is protecting her from the poison. If she is undead the poison would just be harmless. The ruby would not react

    Just not sure at this point…

  311. Alex
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    “Sam and Gilly meet an older gentleman” – Synopsis

    XD

  312. Kaitlin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I was pretty sure this was referencing his battle against the Wildlings at the Wall

  313. GG
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh,

    Cos the very implication of the Wall’s existence suggests that the area in and around it is below zero degrees C. Yes I know the Wall has magic but it also weeps during the Summer so we can assume that a very low temperature is there. Deciduous trees wouldn’t have leaves at that temp. There’s no problem with it. All I’m saying is that the sight of so many deciduous trees in full bloom took me out of the episode for a second.

  314. Walter_Eagle
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Updated characters with the most lines in Season 3:

    1. Tyrion – 185
    2. Jaime – 119
    3. Daenerys – 93
    4. Sansa – 87
    5. Arya – 86
    6. Cersei – 84
    7. Tywin – 81
    8. Jon – 79
    9. Robb – 73
    10. Margaery – 72

    11. Olenna – 71
    12. Thoros – 67
    13. Ygritte – 65
    14. Theon – 64
    15. Joffrey – 63
    16. Brienne – 60
    17. Missandei – 58
    18. Shae – 54
    19. Melisandre – 51
    20. Davos – 48
    20. Gendry – 48

    22. Varys – 46
    23. Bronn – 45
    23. Stannis – 45
    25. Jorah – 44
    25. Sam – 44

    Catelyn is only 40th, which is very disappointing to me.

  315. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Clob: I thought Daario’s description was ‘three-pronged beard dyed blue, blue eyes and a mustache painted gold.’

    Yep. That isn’t the vagueness in description we were discussing. The issue was his skin color or race. It’s unclear about the Tyroshi or Daario in particular in the books. He’s described as paler than Jorah, but that is relative. Jorah is Westerosi, but he is not milky-white pale after years in Essos either. So Daario could have been cast as any ethnicity or race if the show decided to do so.

  316. Ghost
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku:
    I don’t want to get into book spoilers too much, but regarding some of the theories about Daario, I noticed some things in this episode… Maybe I’m crazy, but they stood out to me nonetheless.

    Not a widely accepted theory by any means, but one I’ve seen multiple times, is the idea that Daario is a Faceless Man, and possibly Jaqen. In the books he has a hooked nose, curly hair, and a gold tooth — same as Jaqen’s second face and the Alchemist who arrives in Oldtown (when Daario is away from Dany on a diplomatic mission).


    Now, in the show, Jaqen’s second face looked completely different, and so does Daario. Not the same, obviously, but they both have reddish hair and broad faces.

    But what stood out to me was Daario’s use of the phrase Valar Morghulis while holding a Braavosi coin (same thing we last saw Jaqen doing in S2), and then later referring to Missandei as “lovely girl,” which is the same thing Jaqen always called Arya.

    Maybe I’m crazy and just seeing connections where there are none, but… I still see them there, real or not.

    Daario and Jaqen dont ever have the same hair in the book, Daario’s hair is blue. It would also be quite impossible for someone to sail from Meereen to Oldtown in that short of time. And Jaqen is still in Oldtown. He gave the poisoned gold coin to Pate, like Arya did in her training, yet we still see “Pate” again when Sam gets there.

    I dont think Daario saying Valar Morghulis means anything. It was just because he got the losing coin, which was the Braavos coin, and its a customary saying in Essos. They have made many other characters on the show say it, like Dany, Mel, Thoros, and Missandei translates it back to Dany.

  317. darkshot117
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    When I saw the cut from Stannis dropping the leeches into the fire, and cutting to Tyrion’s wedding reception. I was afraid they were going to merge the events of the PW with Tyrion’s wedding… I’m happy that my fears didn’t come true!

  318. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm: I think they just wanted to spare Sansa some hate.

    Which is a shame, because Sansa’s cruel rejection of Tyrion both in the cloaking and in the bedchamber clinched her personality for both Sansa lovers and Sansa haters.

    For Sansa lovers, it’s proof she’s a true Stark who will never forgive any Lannister for killing her father. For Sansa haters, it’s proof she’s so blindly self-centered she’s hurting herself in addition to everyone around her (including her father.)

  319. fuelpagan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    redqueen,

    I took the ravens as a warning for Sam and Gilly as to what was approaching. I don’t think they were leading the White Walker to their location.

  320. Kaitlin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Olive,

    Joffrey has more than once referred to himself on the show as a Lannister, and it annoys me every time. I completely agree. He needs to believe he is Robert’s son to believe he is king. He shouldn’t slip up like that.

  321. fuelpagan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Yep. That isn’t the vagueness in description we were discussing. The issue was his skin color or race. It’s unclear about the Tyroshi or Daario in particular in the books. He’s described as paler than Jorah, but that is relative. Jorah is Westerosi, but he is not milky-white pale after years in Essos either. So Daario could have been cast as any ethnicity or race if the show decided to do so.

    If Daario is simply some device for Dany to have a fling with, then I would agree that any ethnicity would have worked.

    However, I’m one who thinks Daario’s ethnicity is very important and has much more to contribute in future books than simply eye candy for Dany.

    And it has nothing to do with Jaqen. ;)

  322. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    Are you one of those that reads into “his eyes looking almost purple” in one of the Dany/ Daario book scenes?

    I found that interesting as well, but I don’t buy in to that theory just yet….

  323. Currer Bell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Remember the episode of Friends where Phoebe doesn’t know the real ending of the movie Old Yeller, because her mother always turned off the VCR before they shot the dog and announced “The end.”? Well, let’s stop RIGHT NOW and announce “The end.”

    The Hound is taking Arya back to Cat.
    Robb has a creditable plan to kick Tywin’s butt.
    Jon and Ygitte are living now.
    Jaime and Brienne are on the road again.
    Sansa has a husband who promises not to hurt her, and since we all know that Tyion is lovable, there’s hope that she may realize it in a few years.
    ShowDaario is hot.
    And…, wait for it, Gendry finally has his shirt off.

    This is a good place to end the series. Stop before it’s too late.

  324. Kroy
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Saving Gilly was exactly the same as I imagined. I can’t wait to see where that story line is going in the film.

  325. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Icebird,

    I’m guessing we won’t see Balon Greyjoy die next week because it could give the viewers a sense of impending doom for Robb – maybe they’ll save that for the finale and the viewers will know for sure the leeches are working and they’ll have Joffrey’s death to look forward to next year. This could explain Yara’s one expected scene this year.

    Ah. Excellent point. That should be enough to minimize the riots in the streets after the Red Wedding.

  326. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Yellow Dog,

    Ha! XD
    I’m not sure that will stop the many angry rants and the rage, but maybe it would help?
    Maybe a little? XD

    Personally, I think Balon’s death should be pushed back to Episode 4×01 since it would be the natural starting point for the Season 4 Iron Islands arc.

    Plus, it might be a nice reminder for people about the leeches etc…. Even if always thought the leeches had nothing to do with Balon Greyjoy’s death. I wouldn’t mind if the show pinned his death on Mel/ Stannis/ R’hllor and not a Faceless Man.

  327. uberstellar
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    I about pickled myself while enjoying the show last night, so, y’know, yikes, but most of my sentiment stands if not the intensity. I get frustrated by lack of color representation in the media, and for a series that avoids stereotypes so much, it irks me that Dany would fall for a boy bander.

  328. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    Olive,

    Not to sound nitpicky, but I was extremely bothered by Joff’s remark about how it doesn’t matter which Lannister puts a baby in her belly. I thought it was extremely out-of-character – not because of the threat itself (which is quite in-character and it happened in the book), but because he’s openly admitting he’s a Lannister. It’s like he’s fueling the rumours about himself, when supposedly that character should live in public permanent denial about its parentage.

    Remember Joffrey’s sigil: half stag, half lion. He considers himself as much as Lannister as a Baratheon, biological parentage notwithstanding.

  329. novichaso
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    darkshot117,

    Eor!: And that quote was from before Adwd.

    That’s not important. The character of Melisandre is obviously planned out by GRRM since CoK, at least.

  330. James Williams
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Clob,

    what was her speech to stannis about not letting the pig see the blade because the fear spoils the meat? she was pretty much applying the same technique to Gendry, making him extremely happy before she took the blood because she believes it would give the blood more “juice”

  331. thisone
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Eor!,

    One of the points that make me uncertain of Mel’s state of being. I lean towards unnaturally old kept alive by magic/ faith, but I’m not opposed to the undead theory completely. Just have a few questions like you.

    If she is in fact undead, why does her ruby even react when she drinks Maester Creesen’ s poison? The glowing ruby seems to imply her god or magic is protecting her from the poison. If she is undead the poison would just be harmless. The ruby would not react

    Just not sure at this point…

    It would be easier for you, and more kind to the Unsullied, if you simply spoiler-tagged the entirety of your posts instead of small snippets.

  332. fuelpagan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I was one of the first ones to even notice it. His eye color changes with his hair color just like Young Griff’s eyes are blue when his hair is dyed blue and purple when he washes the dye out.

    Daario was one of the first casting calls we heard about and one of the last ones to actually be casted. I don’t recall leaks about Jojen, Orell, Queen of Thorns being casted months before an actor was picked, but we did hear about the Daario casting. That tells me a wide net had to be casted to catch the “right” person. Why go through all the trouble for what appears to simply be a secondary character?

    Viserys
    Daario

    Put white hair on Daario and they look like they could be related to me.

  333. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    czechgirl,

    Your English is excellent and charming.

    I love how the multitude of weddings keeps the unsullied guessing.

    As always: remain calm, and trust D&D.

  334. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    Renly was fine with that allegiance, but Stannis rejected it out of hand because he is the RIGHTFUL KING of ALL of Westeros and he’s not giving up a cubic fucking inch of it even it that means losing it all.

    He’s a fanatic authoritarian who would be an absolute disaster as king.

  335. Selmy
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Why wasn’t Dragonstone in the openning credits?? WHY?? Whatever, since it is the only problem ”Second Sons” had. Pacing was excellant, we got a naked Daenerys (No Missandei), Sam the Slayer was brilliant, Tyrion/Sansa was really well acted.

    9.5 leeches out of 10.

  336. Yellow Dog
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    This is a good place to end the series. Stop before it’s too late.

    We’re all laughing ruefully now, but it won’t be long before we’re saying: “We should have listened to Currer Bell when we had the chance ….”

  337. Red Hound
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Really loved this episode, one of my favourites of the season, but can’t rank them right now. I think the show greatly benefited from having fewer jumps between plots.

    Peter Dinklage and Sophie Turner were spectacular. The entire wedding scene was awkward, as I expected and they all made it work.

    Sam the Slayer was great, using the crows to build up tension and preparing us for what is coming.

    I really like the Dragonstone trio and I’m a fan of Carice Van Houten since I saw her in Blackbook, so I didn’t mind the coitus interruptus scene.

    About Daario, I hate the entire thing with Daenerys in the books, but this Daario…well, he seems to work fine. Mero was great also and the scene with the three mercenaries was good as well, really enjoyed it. With just a little bit of dialogue you could see exactly what kind of people they were. I guess male fans are happy that we saw a bit of Daenerys, but I’ll be happier if we get to see Missandei with less clothing…

    Arya and The Hound had a short scene, but very revealing already. I must say that Arya was my favourite character until she became a very violent individual, especially all the House of Black and White thing, but I’m enjoying Miss Williams performance.

    So, to repeat myself, fewer storylines worked wonders. I wonder if it shouldn’t be always like this, as the episodes really feel more compact and the flow is smooth. It’s true that then you have to wait two weeks to see some other characters you may enjoy, but why not if it helps the entire show.

    About the next episode preview, in the 29th second there’s a scene with two shirtless men fighting. Is that outside the Twins? I see a banner in the background, but can’t recognize it.

  338. Eor!
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    novichaso:
    darkshot117,

    That’s not important. The character of Melisandre is obviously planned out by GRRM since CoK, at least.


    Right, but it wasn’t until the Meli POV in DwD that we saw she really was just a fanatic who believed in Stannis, which is what the quote is referring to.

  339. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    thisone,

    Personally I thought leaving part of the first sentence open was kind in that it lets anyone know the topic of the spoiler-tagged portion and that they should read no further if they do not want spoilers on that topic. Half my comment was about events already occurring on the series so it just does not need to be tagged.

    This is the recap for book readers and comments will contain spoilers as noted in the primary post above. IF you want to avoid spoilers altogether, avoid this recap in general since it will contain spoilers and some comments will not even be tagged like mine were.

  340. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    I like your theory(ies). Not discounting it/them at all. I love nothing more than a good GoT theory, both bookwise and TV showwise. (and Samwise? I’m just making up words willy-nilly here). I must admit, I rushed through ADwD out of excitement (waited WAY too long) and a very misguided belief that finding out how that particular book ends would mean something (not the way GRRM works! Should’ve known better!), so I missed quite a few subtleties. Then I re-read…but, honestly, I’ve always despised Mel, so I likely didn’t pay enough attention to her storyline. That, and I missed Tyrion so much during AFfC…I had to give him all the attention I could!

  341. Suzaku
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Ghost: Suzaku

    Actually, the Alchemist arrives in Old Town at the same time as rumors of Dany’s sack of Meereen (almost as if they came on the same ship).

    And Daario returns to Meereen just slightly before Quentyn arrives (after having departed from Oldtown and taken an overland route which is noted as taking longer than a trip by boat).

    And yes, they have different hair — Daario has blue hair because he dyes it, like so many other Tyroshi, and even a few characters that pretend to be Tyroshi but aren’t.

    I’m not saying he is or isn’t, just that there’s some weird stuff going on that has caught my attention, and the attention of a few others.

  342. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    Oh you could be right, I’m not suggesting you are not (or when you noticed it)!
    Just that I do not 100% buy that theory just yet. Itakes a lot for me to buy into some theories and others grab me more strongly. Just a gut feeling thing honestly… I do find it intriguing though!

    I’m not sure casting leaks or how long it takes to cast a role means anything though… Sometimes they are just looking for the right mix of generic traits or an actor to capture the spirit of the character as they see it. If none of the first group of actors auditioned capture the role how they want It can take a long time…

    However, it could be more than that I guess. Like you suggest, it could in theory be taking a long time because they are looking for specific traits to match up with other characters already cast or mentioned in the books as well…

  343. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    QueenofThorns,

    I didn’t see it like that…I think Steel is just laying out a case.

  344. TrappingsOfPower
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Whoa what an ep:

    So many great scenes.
    Really loved how they handled Daarhio. Great character introduction. For some reason I never gave a crap about his character in the books, but I really atook an interest to the TV character.

    I know it’s petty, but a naked Dany scene was well overdue and much appreciated.

  345. Rachael MM
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Olive,

    Even denying who his true father is, Joffrey has always been proud to be a Lannister through his mother’s side. This is evident in the books by his decision to use a sigil that’s half Baratheon stag, half Lannister lion.

  346. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    Any reason why you spoilered “Friends” but left stuff that actually refers to GoT unspoilered? Some kind of joke?

    And, dammit, why has “spoiler” become a verb?

  347. Currer Bell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Suggestion for GoT spin off:

    Less than fully clothed Jaime, Jaqen, Gendry, Daario.

    No plot needed, just standing there.

  348. JohnnySD
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    Melisandre is not undead. She may have been resurrected like Baeric but I really think this line of deduction is really flawed.

  349. Susie-Q
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    coronaking: Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

    I didn’t notice that but now that you point it out, the placement of the leeches makes perfect sense, as well as her “method” of getting his blood flowing……

  350. El Beto
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I think Sam The Slayer is the best scene for him and they ruined it, it was a mediocre scene.
    I don’t like the Daario’s show version.
    The Gendry scene was unecesary, just by Davos freeing him would be enough.
    The wedding scene was good, the bedding scene works out for the “cool Tyrion” version of the show, although the book’s version is way better

  351. drive by bastard
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I was disappointed with daario, where was all his flair. expected him to have blue hair and yellow beard and doing back flips.

  352. dizzy
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Show Darrio is already greater than Book Darrio.

  353. Jonathan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound,

    Looking at it I believe one of the men is Theon, And The banner is definitely a Bolton Flayed man, so I guess the reveal of Boy will be happening next episode

  354. Godzilla1916
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Why did they have Sansa kneel? It would have been so simple to have included that bit of Stark/Lannister hatred there. Also, why in hell would Sam the Slayer leave behind the one weapon that just destroyed your enemy, is there a Westeroes Walmart we are not aware of that he can buy Chinesse copies for cheap?

    Hodor! Hodro! Hodor?

  355. Currer Bell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    The material from Friends gives away that there are unhappy outcomes developing to seemingly upbeat happy circumstances.

    All the illustrations from GoT have occurred or are implied on the show.

    Yes, one is never able to use “google” as a verb without hesitation.

  356. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Yes.

  357. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Currer Bell,

    I was concerned by the Jon and Ygritte live statement. Which I just spoilered despite the fact that I am responding to a post in which it was not spoilered. I’m using spoiler as a verb repeatedly to increase my comfort level with it. It is not working.

    Also friend/unfriend. Not a verb and not even a word.

  358. Liz B.
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Two unrelated comments:

    I’m glad they didn’t have Sansa refuse to kneel. Frankly, that broke my heart in the book.

    I adore Daario’s mudflap-girl knives!

  359. OldGods>LordOfLite
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Yasadora,

    I’m dreading it. I haven’t read ahead in the books (I’ve only finished the first two) but spoilers got the better of me, and I know what’s going down. I died a little inside the day I found out.

  360. Turncloak
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    Sansa would have gotten SO MUCH HATE if she refused to kneel. Excellent change

  361. DH87
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Kaitlin: Joffrey has more than once referred to himself on the show as a Lannister, and it annoys me every time. I completely agree. He needs to believe he is Robert’s son to believe he is king. He shouldn’t slip up like that.

    Only the Lannister side of Joffrey’s family supports Joffrey, militarily, politically, and psychologically. The Baratheon side, or what’s left of it, is in open opposition to his reign.

  362. Ilia Stark
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    IMO,first time i think Nina Gold’s casting choice is truly horrible.
    I hated Daario!
    WTF! No swagger and zero sex appeal!Plus those crooked teeth..

  363. Ceri
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Can we get a curtain call for Shatters the Other please?

  364. DH87
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Sansa would have gotten SO MUCH HATE if she refused to kneel. Excellent change

    I disagree. Refusing to kneel during that farce of a wedding in front of the entire clan that decimated her family was one of Sansa’s few overt acts of defiance and underscored how wide was the gulf between the new bride and groom.

  365. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Ilia Stark,

    Different strokes, I heard from a few co-workers today that they think Daario is now the hottest guy on the show.

    Personally I like the casting.
    Not because I find him hot, but because I thought book-Daario seemed like an utter buffoon to me, a clown and TV-Daario retains much of the same feel without coming off as a buffoon. I still think he acts like peacock strutting and do not like the character, but I think that is by design in large part.

  366. Arkmam
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, Tywins coat at the wedding was awesome. Me wants.

  367. Dorin
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Why didn’t Sam search the White Walker Corpse afterwards? Given the high level of the creature, there was probably 769 gold, perhaps a full suit of Ebony armor w/ Ebony sword, a couple of ingots, a used dragonglass dagger, 3 flawless diamonds, choctop, a wrapped invitation to Peters icecreamery factory and a couple of other high valued items. He missed out on some great loot. Oh wait, different world…

  368. Pau
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    uberstellar:

    I get frustrated by lack of color representation in the media.

    Why is your avatar white then? :P

  369. Adam 2nd of his name
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Another great episode. The awkwardness was perfectly captured. I liked the focus on the 5 stories that were featured tonight. While I love Jon’s storyline in SoS, I think the show has been relatively Jon/Ygritte heavy these last few weeks so this was a welcome break. Also, Liam Cunningham continues to absolutely kill it with minimal screen time.

    Next week, I love the fact they are not doing the all focus treatment for the RW like they did with Blackwater, I feel it would give it away, and this makes it feel like its just another chunk of the story.

  370. me
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    main question for me in the up coming episode is whether or not Robb and Cat have the discussion about Jon Snow being named heir to north

  371. Micah
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Derek,

    Thinking that EP10 will most likely end with Lady Stoneheart reveal and her hanging Talisa (as there has been pretty strong evidence this season that she is a traitor). This deviates from the books but is more impactful then here hanging a pair of Freys.

  372. fuelpagan
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    With the changes to Xaro and Jeyne/Talisa, Daario is one character they could reinvent going Latin or Asian if Daario was simply a fling for Dany. I find it interesting that they did not.

    Basically having a fake Aegon makes zero sense unless you can prove the Aegon is a fake. That leaves either some magical device to check for authenticity or there is a real Aegon alive to prove Young Griff can’t be real. With GRRM being coy about Daario’s eye color, real hair color and actual age, it seems to fit.

  373. Lex
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Dorin:
    Why didn’t Sam search the White Walker Corpse afterwards? Given the high level of the creature, there was probably 769 gold, perhaps a full suit of Ebony armor w/ Ebony sword, a couple of ingots, a used dragonglass dagger, 3 flawless diamonds,choctop, a wrapped invitation to Peters icecreamery factory and acouple of other high valued items. He missed out on some great loot. Oh wait, different world…

    I was playing Skyrim as I read your post. Ha!

  374. The Queen's Hand
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I laughed so hard that I thought I was going t0 cry when Joffery took the stool

  375. Tabes
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Is it just me or was that the same whitewalker that looked right at Sam before the Battle at the Fist of the First Men? Do they all look the same??? Did anyone else notice this? INCREDIBLE episode! Two weeks can’t come soon enough!

  376. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    You are over-encumbered and cannot move.

    Dorin:
    Why didn’t Sam search the White Walker Corpse afterwards? Given the high level of the creature, there was probably 769 gold, perhaps a full suit of Ebony armor w/ Ebony sword, a couple of ingots, a used dragonglass dagger, 3 flawless diamonds,choctop, a wrapped invitation to Peters icecreamery factory and a couple of other high valued items. He missed out on some great loot. Oh wait, different world…

  377. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Sam, leaving the dragon glass knife behind!!!! Someone mentioned that “he had plenty” but it’s not clear that he does. They found a stash of them but Sam only had the one stowed inside his cloak. Where is the big bundle if he still has them? I thought Grenn (the big guy) had kept the big bundle when they discovered them and we don’t know if he survived the mutiny at Craster’s.

    Also, the other Watch members not seeing Sam do the deed makes his title as Sam the Slayer impossible UNLESS 1) he kills another one later or 2) they find a creative way to share that news with the rest of the Night’s Watch. Like a raven shows up and starts calling him that….that would be kind of spooky and a neat way to do it….couldn’t you see that? Raven lands on Jon’s shoulder in front of a bunch of Watch men after he tells his story to everyone and then the raven starts looking at Sam saying “Sam the Slayer, Sam the Slayer” over and over…..

    Once again D&D have made show Tryion nobler than book Tyrion. I’m not upset about it, I think it played VERY well. Absolutely LOVED the line “…and now my watch begins…”. I would have bedded Tyrion just for being such a mensch but I’m no chaste 14 year old either. ;)

    And what about Cersei! She was a grade A c*nt in that little speech to Margery and I NEVER use that term lightly.

    I thought it was a great episode! Definitely one of the top three of the season to date.

  378. Ed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    If you think this show exists to meet your personal racial color quotas, you haven’t been paying attention.

    uberstellar:
    I get frustrated by lack of color representation in the media, and for a series that avoids stereotypes so much, it irks me that Dany would fall for a boy bander.

  379. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan,

    It’s a Tully banner. It is outside the Twins where the Stark and Tully army are celebrating and becoming extremely intoxicated.

  380. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    The scariest thing about Melisandre is that she genuinely is a warm, loving, deeply empathetic and kind person who also happens to be a religious fanatic…

    I don’t see her as being loving, warm, or deeply empathetic at all. She seems warm because she is so passionate about her cause, but those aren’t the same thing at all. She’d pretend to love/f*ck anyone or anything to get what she thinks will further the Lord of Light’s cause and that certainly isn’t loving. And a kind and empathetic person would never burn people alive as she has done. She was bonding with Gendry over their similar backgrounds to keep him from being nervous and afraid of her until she had him at a physical disadvantage. The sex was for two reasons: 1) distract him so she could get him under control physically because otherwise he could kill her with his bare hands and she knows it, and 2) to get him pumped up (sorry couldn’t resist the pun). She’s charismatic, attractive, passionate and completely lacking in a conscience. She’s a classic sociopath IMHO. Not trying to pick a fight, just saying to me she comes across as being very different than your description.

  381. Landis
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    “… The one thing that is certain is that your brother WILL be your father-in-law…”

    “Nobody cares what your father once told you.”

    “And now my watch begins…”

  382. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Uberstellar,

    the whole reasoning behind Dany accepting him is purely, non-romanticisized hormone hots. I dislike that it’s been twisted and tamed for the show

    I didn’t get the impression that she didn’t want him. There was heat in their glances and she got out of that tub without trying to hide herself. If she didn’t want him, she would have hid her nakedness. In any case, I think their sexual relationship will proceed as it did in the books and good for her. That poor girl has gone long enough under some seriously stressful situations without getting any loving. If they let Dany get her freak on without losing herself in Daario like a teenager (which she still is, BTW) I think it will be a great feminist statement. We’ll have to wait and see.

  383. Shmurb
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I dunno, I’m pretty sure the other Night’s Watchmen can just be told about the slaying from Gilly. Then they’ll kind of do the “he slew a Walker, yeah right” and start mocking him with the “Slayer” moniker.

  384. Darquemode
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    It does fit I agree…
    I’m just not ready to declare my 100% belief in the theory yet I guess….
    At least one other character could fit too, Darkstar. He has the pale skin, hook in his nose, dark purple eyes and is considered “the most dangerous man in Dorne” by Doran Martell.

    I don’t necessarily think Darkstar is Aegon, or Aerys’s Targ bastard, or Rhaegar like some of the theories out there, but I do feel there is much more to him than GRRM has let on thus far. I cannot figure out his role with any certainty yet… I know some think he is just a clown, or just a guy from the cadet branch of House Dayne, but I will be shocked if there is not more to him when the saga is done!

    GRRM is good at supplying just enough information about multiple people that can fill the same possible role without giving it away in any certainty. So many theories have multiple possibilities even five books in. L+R=J being the one exception to which most people think the same thing.

  385. Mike Chair
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: If they let Dany get her freak on without losing herself in Daario like a teenager (which she still is, BTW) I think it will be a great feminist statement.

    ME TOO! Incense, wine and candles, baby. *doing my best Rick James*

  386. A Man Knows
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I think he was talking about the battle at the Wall.

  387. Currer Bell
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    Last week Ygritte promised Jon that before they died that they were going to live. One assumes the living began immediately and is ongoing.

  388. Jay Sutherland
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    A really great episode but I have a major gripe with the castings/portrayals of Mero and Daario. Why are they speaking with Cockney accents when they’re supposed to be from (and it’s even stated in the show dialogue) Bravos and Tyrosh respectively?!

    Not sour grapes on my part by any means (even though I was told they were looking for a black guy for the role of Daario when I applied) – I just felt they got this wrong.

  389. Fabian Schneider
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    As Sam looks into the trees in that last scene, I half expected this to appear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-M8P14u_G8

  390. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    telobsidion,
    Valdred Dethstorm,
    Leuf,
    Well, in the book she didn’t kneel at first and felt him tugging on her dress but when she realized how humiliating it was for Tyrion she did feel bad. And did eventually kneel and actually gave Tyrion a little kiss during the ceremony. On the show she saw Joffrey remove the stool so she was clued in a little. She was a little dim to wait for him to put the cloak on her but that could have been just nerves. Instead of tugging on her dress, Tyrion asked her to kneel and she did so.

    So the show’s depiction was not that far from the books and it’s in keeping with Sansa’s character to return kindness for kindness. Also, Joffrey purposely removing the stepstool that Tyrion needed right in front of her would make her only want to defy Joffrey’s intention all the more by being helpful to Tyrion. So it does make sense and shows their characters accurately.

    Now the bedroom scene was very different as Tyrion got naked and had quite the erection going on in the book. But they drew it to a close with the same lines of “I won’t until you want me” and “if I never want you?”. The closing statement was very different and makes him seem much more noble. However, I thought it was a great line, nonetheless. Show Tyrion thinks he lost Shae already and his heart is broken. His new wife is rejecting him and he wants to treat her well no matter what. I would imagine at that point in time Show Tyrion has no intention of going to whores and would rather remain celibate. So the line from the book doesn’t really fit into that scene any more.

    My big worry during that scene was how much nudity they planned to show from Sansa. The actress is 17 but the character is 14….I didn’t want to see anything and they tastefully chose not to step over that line.

  391. Tereeza777
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    just watched the episode – they should nominate this one for sound – scenery – dialogue and Tyrion!

  392. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    BTR,

    anyone else disappointed by how seemingly little press Lena Headey is getting?

    Yes! Even D&D said during an interview that they were disappointed that Lena was not getting any awards notice and that she should be up for an Emmy. I know it’s hard with such a large cast to stand out. But imagine how much less GOT would be without such a good actress playing Cersei. She’s the female anchor to the entire KL story line. She’s phenomenal. Just watch her scenes, particularly the quiet ones, like last week when she was talking to Tyrion about their impending nuptials, WITHOUT the sound on. Watch her expressions, her hands….how she uses stillness at particular times. She really thinks through her scenes and goes into it with the intention of bring the character to life. She’s terrific.

  393. dogs
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    HEY! Inconsistency alert! Stannis throws Joffrey’s leech in as “Joffrey Baratheon,” not “Joffrey Lannister.” I went to the book and it’s actually the same, Stannis refers to Joffrey as a Baratheon too. Considering Stannis was prickly about calling people by their proper titles (“Ser Jaime the Kingslayer”), why does Stannis refer to Joffrey as a Baratheon and not a Lannister when he knows that Joffrey has no relation to him and therefore the last name of Baratheon has absolutely no bearing. Huh. Someone help me out?

  394. Eor!
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan:
    Darquemode,

    With the changes to Xaro and Jeyne/Talisa, Daario is one character they could reinvent going Latin or Asian if Daario was simply a fling for Dany. I find it interesting that they did not.

    Basically having a fake Aegon makes zero sense unless you can prove the Aegon is a fake. That leaves either some magical device to check for authenticity or there is a real Aegon alive to prove Young Griff can’t be real. With GRRM being coy about Daario’s eye color, real hair color and actual age, it seems to fit.


    The casting call for Daario simply read “not white”. Also they could easily prove if he’s not real, they’d just need someone (vays, septa lemore if she’s his mother) say as much.

    dogs:
    HEY! Inconsistency alert! Stannis throws Joffrey’s leech in as “Joffrey Baratheon,” not “Joffrey Lannister.” I went to the book and it’s actually the same, Stannis refers to Joffrey as a Baratheon too. Considering Stannis was prickly about calling people by their proper titles (“Ser Jaime the Kingslayer”), why does Stannis refer to Joffrey as a Baratheon and not a Lannister when he knows that Joffrey has no relation to him and therefore the last name of Baratheon has absolutely no bearing. Huh. Someone help me out?

    I think it’s just because that’s his official name. Unofficially I don’t think he’d even be a Lannister, Jamie and Cersei aren’t married which makes him a bastard, so he’d be Joffrey Waters

  395. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    I love that guy’s recaps they are so damn funny.

  396. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head,

    I don’t think the leech burning was magical per say, Mel was using her ability to see the future to manipulate Davos and keep Stannis under her power.

    Which makes all of her sacrifices all the more despicable because they’re unnecessary. If she is just seeing the future and not causing it, why go to the extent of killing/sacrificing people? Just use the damn leeches or some animal blood offering but burning people? Whether she is just seeing the future or is actually causing it, I can’t stand the Melisandre character and I can’t wait until she gets her just desserts.

  397. lonas
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    It was nice Dany hinting Ser Barristan to kill Mero but to bad he wasnt the one doing it. Im eager to see him cutting men like carving a cake.

    Anyone noticed Brans whit eyes in the next preview? I guess Sommer is into for some saving Js ass..

  398. A wildling Bastard
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound:
    About the next episode preview, in the 29th second there’s a scene with two shirtless men fighting. Is that outside the Twins? I see a banner in the background, but can’t recognize it.

    i think that’s the banner of house Tully ..

  399. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Great episode and a chilling scene to end it on.

    My only complaint would be Peter’s drunk performance was too OTT, it became pantomine at times.

    I hate how we now have to wait two weeks for the next episode, damn you silly American’s and your holidays.

  400. Iron Born
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    I would have liked to see mero try to kill dany later and have barriston take him out..I want to see the greatest living knight in action very much:..anyone else feel the same????

  401. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Mel is extreme, but I do believe this is a greater good situation. What’s the life of a few against the entire world? The leeching situation was a complete farce. She saw the king’s deaths and wanted to try and make Stannis believe she caused them so she could sacrifice Edric/Gendry and wake the stone dragons on Dragonstone. I love her character and enjoyed her one POV chapter in ADWD. And I’ll love her even more if she helps save Jon. It was nice to hear GRRM say that he thought Melisandre was the most misunderstood character.

  402. sunspear
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I always thought Stannis saw a vision of the battle of the Fist of the First Men.

  403. DH87
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ: The actress is 17 but the character is 14….I didn’t want to see anything and they tastefully chose not to step over that line.

    There wasn’t a choice there, but I believe the mods don’t want the topic discussed.

  404. Eor!
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    sunspear:
    I always thought Stannis saw a vision of the battle of the Fist of the First Men.

    He straights up says as much in the book. Talks about the ring of torches and the darkness creeping in, and that Melisandre said it meant the great war has started

  405. KingJon
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Loved the Arya and Hound scene. Sort of wish they included the part where Arya actually met his brother and how the Hound laughed about the Mountain having her right under his nose and not realizing it. Twas a small victory for the Hound. I really hope they devote a lot of time to all of their scenes next year. And I’m really looking forward to TV Arya’s first intentional kill. I’m guessing it will be at an inn with some of the Mountain’s men

  406. MattyB
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    I just realized that next episode will only have 11/28 of the main cast. same as Blackwater. Guess the writers were right when they said it would only focus on a small group. (% wise it’s technically less)

  407. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    MattyB,

    Robb
    Catelyn
    Jon
    Bran
    Daenerys
    Jorah
    Arya
    The Hound

    I can’t think of who else is in the episode?

  408. XDarkAngelX
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Anybody noticed how they changed the order in which Stannis names the usurpers during the leeches scene? In the book it is Joffrey, Greyjoy, Robb. In the show it is Robb, Greyjoy, Joffrey. We know Robb is buying the farm next episode. My belief is that Greyjoy will take his fateful plunge off a bridge as part of the usual Episode 10 “repercussions of the big Ep 9 event plus additional lesser game changers” collection of scenes. This should give the Unsullied some reason to expect Joffrey to kick it in the next season, and keep them from rioting in the streets after Robb’s death.

  409. MattyB
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sam, Talisa, and Ygritte

  410. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    MattyB,

    Are they part of the main credited cast? Interesting that Sam may be in. Where is this info coming from? If it is on imdb then I’m not sure it’s that reliable.

  411. WildSeed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: Like I said, the scene was very well executed but there are very few book-needs I have and that was one of them. Because the scene isn’t about him killing an Other. It is about his brothers starting to view him differently. About him earning respect. Now, I know it can still be played that way as she tells people about it but it will never be for me what it was in the book.

    LET ME STATE AGAIN, since people love to focus on the negative, I thought the scene was executed well. This is about my personal need to see something for that character.

    Though, I do take exception to you calling it perhaps the best scene of the episode. Come on. How can THAT scene be better than some of those beautifully acted moments at the wedding or in the bedroom, or in the dungeon… or anywhere for that matter?

    It was the most visually and musically exciting scene. Not the best.

    I agree, the scene was done well, and as enigmatic as seen from our imagination.
    I’ve really enjoyed the relaxed pace of the episodes in general, carefully introducing
    characters and plots for next season. Season three has demonstrated interesting
    twists ( Bros w/o Banners, Krasnys’s role, and even more remarkable authentic
    settings. Roose Bolton, Theon at the Dreadfort Castle Black are the
    stories that could have big impact in the months to come.

    I’m disappointed with ongoing premise of singular purpose admixed with “what
    I would do for love” themes. Game of Romance. As heroic as Samwell often proves
    himself, for Gilly’s honor, the respect of his Brothers in Black should have been
    realised upon his return with lord Mormont and the men of Castle Black. Instead
    he got a tongue lashing, and failed to assert the news of the Obsidian Glass found.
    Samwell now joins the list of lovesick: Robb & Talisa, Jon & Ygritte, Tyrion & Shae,
    Jaime & Brienne, Stannis & Melisandre. The only two that doesn’t disappoint is screen
    version of Tyrion and Shae, Danerys and Drogo. The showrunners have been laying
    the romance theme a bit much, however many enjoy this sort of thing. In the weeks
    or episodes to come, we’ll hopefully experience more of political cunning as the
    story moves forward. Even in small doses, Tywin’s machinations ( also Cersei )
    never disappoint. There is so much choice material to choose from, the outlook
    can only get brighter.
    Robb and Catelyn Starks stories are lost, except for a dramatic onscreen
    conclusion. And Blackfish will get something more to do than slap Edmure
    around
    , so I’m really looking forward watching the story unfold onscreen.
    Whether invested in the books or not, formulaic screen writing gets boring, we’ve
    been spared that at least.

  412. WildSeed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Jared: Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding was both spectacularly awkward and spectacularly funny

    LMAO, I was hoping the drunkard act was fake, as Tyrion proved himself much
    sober to Sansa when they sundered off towards their quarters , yet the scene
    still maintained it’s awkward amusement. Poor Tyrion, his morning after headache
    only worsened when he experienced Shae’s icy attitude ):

  413. WildSeed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco:
    What was going on with that scene with Loras and cersei?

    Not sure. Lady Olenna and Tywin reached a stalemate with marriage arrangements.
    Maybe Loras was keeping within cordial custom. I’d hope he wasn’t seriously
    coming on to her.

  414. Lex
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Excellent episode, I’d say a 4.5 out of 5.

    Better than Episodes 6 & 7, as good as (or maybe just below?) Episodes 4 & 5. Need to re-watch!

    Loved Tyrion’s wedding and Sam the Slayer most of all.

  415. WildSeed
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair: ME TOO!Incense, wine and candles, baby.*doing my best Rick James*

    I hope your mate isn’t watching you as you do that *>* .
    I’ll suppose you’ll bring out the ” Little Miss Sunshine” video too (:
    ( great movie BTW )

  416. Lindsay
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I think that would also negate a lot of the growth we’ve seen in Sansa’s character on the show. 1) There was a time Sansa was too lost in a fairy tail to get how incredibly dispensable she is to those in King’s Landing . She definitely gets it now and realizes she’s in a very unsafe place. 2) Though she still has some of the girlish dreams she once had, she is not the spoiled naive girl she was at the beginning of the series. She’s seen the cruelty of Joffrey and been publicly embarrassed for sport. I doubt she’d willing be part of humiliating another for all to see, especially someone who protected her from Joffrey more than once.

    I need to go back and read the book again but it seems her character development has progressed a little quicker in the show than it did in the book. I can’t say that’s a bad thing in this case though.

  417. Matt
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Jake,

    Coldhands telling Sam he’s gonna take him to Bran will be the cliffhanger for Sam in the finale, but not the final scene. That will belong to Lady Stoneheart. Guaranteed.

  418. Deborah
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Ah! I love your crazy ideas. Time will tell.

  419. Deborah
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    What book is this from? I seriously need to reread.

  420. Deborah
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    NoOne,

    Do we still think Coldhands is Brandon Stark?

  421. AddyStark
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    What an interesting theory! I did not see that myself but it is totally plausible!

  422. Astonished
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    I agree with the poster who said they liked this episode.

    I liked it too.

    Highlights:
    Loved seeing Melisandre’s breasts literally squeezed by Gendry.
    Loved seeing Dany literally wet and naked.
    Loved seeing Sam stab the zombie with dragonglass dagger.

    The rest was so-so.

    Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding was pretty good but too long and not spectacularly written.

    I’m starting to be a believer in nudity in this series. I used to think it was a waste of screen time. Now I see that it really breaks up the mediocrity. Of the writing.
    I get the feeling Daario and Dany are about to get busy-o.

  423. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 20, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Deborah,

    As in Bran ‘the builder’? Maybe. I still think his identity isn’t that big of a deal. ADWD pretty much confirmed that he was just a wight that Bloodraven is warged into, IMO.

  424. Astonished
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Suzaku: in the show, Jaqen’s second face looked completely different, and so does Daario. Not the same, obviously, but they both have reddish hair and broad faces.

    But what sto

    The reason you are wrong and that most fans are wrong about their little theories is you look at tiny details and you don’t get the big picture. The faceless man has no agenda. He’s not going to lead an army and he’s not going to take sides. He certainly isn’t going to get all sentimental about his heart belonging to anyone.

    But you do deserve some credit for spotting some rather shabby dialog.

  425. Debbie
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    He’s been playing with Ser Pounce the cat, of course!

  426. pntrlqst
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sam was in the recap video.

  427. Adam Chazen
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    hahaha thats a good question! We also don’t have any in LA which is a major bummer! I’m back home in NJ though so packing all the Wawa in before I head back out there.

    Thanks so much for the congrats! Great job with the site, I check it at least once a day!

  428. Fiona
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    MattyB,

    Robb
    Catelyn
    Jon
    Bran
    Daenerys
    Jorah
    Arya
    The Hound

    I can’t think of who else is in the episode?

    Also Hodor, Rickon, Osha, Jojen, Meera, Ygritte. Tormund, Orell, Barristan, Daario, Missandei, Talisa, Brynden Blackfish, Edmure, Walder Frey, Lame Lothar and Black Walder Frey, etc. So how did you come to this number of 11 cast members on the next episode? Probably some of the people I mentioned are not considered full cast members in some way.

  429. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    He meant that the only ones featured in the opening for the next episode will be:

    Jon
    Dany
    Jorah
    Robb
    Catelyn
    Arya
    Bran
    Sandor
    Sam
    Ygritte
    Talisa

  430. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    pntrlqst,

    I wonder if we will meet Coldhands in this episode? I still don’t even know if he will appear this season. Nothing has been been leaked about the character being cast.

  431. Red Hound
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard: i think that’s the banner of house Tully ..

    I think you’re right. So it is indeed, Northeners fighting drunk outside the Twins.

  432. Darquemode
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m wondering too…
    The ravens could have been following the White Walker knowing that carrion is sure to follow…. or they could have been sent as a warning from Coldhands if he is in the area.

    If they expand the Sam the Slayer scene and have more wights or White Walkers appear that would be a nice opportunity to intro Coldhands in a similar way to the book.

    As far as casting Coldhands goes, if he makes it into the season, I’m not sure he needs to be “cast” honestly. They could use a featured extra completely hidden by the hood of his cloak for now and then officially cast him for next year.

  433. Kellie
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    coronaking: Of course. ;) The heart-leech for Robb, the beloved King in the North, the belly-leech for Balon, the King in the middle of Westeros, and the third leech for the little dick.

    Hilarious!

  434. SBaradan
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    I’m really concerned about episode 9. From the preview, there is too much going on. That episode should only show the wedding at the Twins and Arya/Hound. Yunkai and Quıeenscrown should be in Ep. 10. Otherwise, the outcome of Ep 9 would not be as dramatic as everyone expects.

  435. Baihu1983
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    Has Coldhands been confirmed for this season at all??

    A part of me worries he has been cut or held back for S4 and will simply meet Bran beyond the wall?

  436. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    What’s the life of a few against the entire world?

    While that is certainly Melisandre’s belief, I don’t think GRRM would make the ultimate hero(s) of this tale be someone who believes the ends justify the means. We see that Dany clearly isn’t ok with that philosophy. Jon isn’t and Tyrion isn’t. And in my mind those are the three most benevolent and important characters in the story. Furthermore, the basic idea that Melisandre’s espouses is by its very nature evil when the individuals do not choose their sacrifice willingly. None of her victims are volunteering! Such justification in our own world has led to great evils being perpetrated. I could give many examples but one should suffice– the Tuskegee Experiments. I feel exactly the opposite of you in regards to Jon. I would rather he die than be saved by a malevolent force like her.

    Which reminds me of something that is really bugging me with all the talk of the various gods. People keep saying, once you’ve witnessed that a god’s power is real then you should acknowledge it and follow that god (said a lot about the Lord of Light in particular). But very few people, maybe only Davos and Varys, ask the REAL question which is, just because a god exists, does it necessarily follow that they are good and have good intentions for mortals? Think about it…the god of death is behind the White Walkers and his power is very real. Is he good for humanity? Ummmmm, no. The Lamb God had some real power and the priestess used that to kill Dany’s baby (or was that some other god and I missed it?). Now we see the very real power of the Lord of Light. Is he a benevolent god? If Melisandre represents his true power and it’s use by sacrificing the unwilling and the innocent, then no he isn’t. Let’s take an example from our world. I personally don’t believe in Satan. And even if Satan shows up tomorrow and demonstrates to me that he is real, I am not going to follow him just because he’s real! It’s really getting on my nerves why everyone just assumes that power alone is worthy of worship. The whole point of characters like Dany, Jon, etc is that inherent power alone isn’t enough to rule…It has to be earned and the person wielding it should try to be as benevolent as possible to the innocent while earning it and while wielding it in order to be worthy of their followers’ allegiance. I think this holds true with the human leaders as well as the gods.

    Ok, feel better that is off my chest.

  437. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Nothing on this entire show has ever made me sadder than the look of pure happiness on Arya’s face when the Hound tells her he’s taking her to her mother and brother Why George…?! WHY…?!

  438. RubyMouse
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    WOW. Loved that episode, watched it last night with my bro as it aired in the UK. Glad there wasn’t any awkward sex scenes! I really loved the Second Sons and Dany’s scenes although I was a bit sad there were no blue beards and clothes like buttermilk. I thought the Sam the Slayer scene was fab, we really liked it though we were yelling at Sam to pick the fricking knife up! The wedding between Sansa and Tyrion was all I hoped it would be, I understand why they had her kneeling-she’s had more time to process it and Tyrion ha promised to be kind to her.

    I’ve read the books while my brother hasn’t so I’ll be mentally preparing for the next episode with ice cream and tissues. Can’t wait to see the look on his face!

  439. Chickenduck
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    B:
    Yeah, I had to re read on Daario. You are right, Ours. . He is lighter than Jorah, and Jorah is darker in the books than on the show but still a Westerosi.

    Aside from the hue of his skin, I don’t like the choice of the actor because of his presence. He just seems dweeby to me. Not as much of a badass as I would have liked. I am not sold, yet.

    Generally speaking. . .
    I would still love to see a bit more diversity on the show in the way of Essos casting choices. It may not be Black people, but more people of a darker, more brownish or yellowish hue. A lot of people may wonder why some viewers care about this at all. It is because, as a person of color myself, it would be nice to see it possible for people like us to be on shows we love and watch with passionate enthusiasm. Is it too much to ask that we have a few faces we can identify with? Those who argue that it shouldn’t matter, why not have them cast some faces of color if it really doesn’t matter?

    I just hope they include the summer Islanders on the ship with Sam and Gilly when they sail out to Essos.

    I loved Skrein! When designing Daario, I’m glad they went with a vaguely realistic look rather than cartoon pirate Bluebeard.

    Important thing – he is a cocky, arrogant chav (ask a Brit if you aren’t familiar with that term) that someone like Dany might believably sleep with even though she knows it’s a terrible, terrible idea.

    Regards diversity, I’d also like to see more non-Caucasians on GoT. But so far, I haven’t been disappointed with the casting in terms of quality.

    Maybe see what happens with the Dornish, whether they go for Mediterranean, Arab or Indian… I don’t really care what race the TV Dornish are specifically, except that I feel it’s important that a) they’re obviously culturally and genetically distinct from the rest of Westeros, and b) they’re obviously fairly racially mixed – ranging from quite pink to quite dark.

    I also have a crazy idea that the Dornish could be Asian… I totally fancast either George Takei or François Chau as Doran! But I fully accept that everyone except me would hate that :) And it doesn’t match the description in the books, for whatever that’s worth…

  440. Chickenduck
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Although I will admit that the people who said Daario looks a bit like someone off the cover of a Mills & Boons and/or Fabio are completely correct. In fact, there have been a bunch of bad romance novel allusions this season (Jon & Ygritte on top of the wall springs to mind). Someone in the writers’ room is a fan of bad romance novels? Oh well, I’m still enjoying it.

  441. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    DH87,

    I disagree.

    Due to the change in Sansa finding out about her marriage to Tyrion a few episodes prior, it gave her a chance to view her situation a bit differently. I took her kneeling as as an act of defiance against Joffrey and her helping the one Lannister who has been kind to her, Tyrion.

  442. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Morgan King: Greatjon

    For sure — drunk Cersei is just awesome. Margaery looked absolutely horrified despite how well she was hiding it. Then again, Cersei can see which way things are going, and her hold on power is slowly diminishing, one way or another. If she had the brains to ally with her younger brother, she’d be dangerous, but she lashes out in the most vicious way possible, much like her father, and particularly after her father does it to her — so she fancies herself as Tywin’s right hand, when he regards her as, well, much much less than that.

    The dynamic surrounding the Tyrion-Tywin-Cersei relationship has been one of the strongest plots of this season – in fact, it’s probably been the strongest, though one could argue Jaime/Brienne or Jon/Ygritte.

    And it’s not really much of a spoiler to say that Cersei’s ongoing development, and her relationship with Margaery, will be great to see in Season 4, and (hopefully) beyond. However, I remain of the opinion that one way or another, the showrunners will get some kind of reference or scene involving the Maggy the Frog stuff because of this, at some point. But that may just be my desire to see that scene.

  443. Wun Wun
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Baihu1983:
    Has Coldhands been confirmed for this season at all??

    A part of me worries he has been cut or held back for S4 and will simply meet Bran beyond the wall?

    How will Bran get on the other side of the wall? The only way through is the secret Night Watch-only door that Coldhands tells Sam and Gilly about.

  444. Darquemode
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    New supplemental video from HBO onDemand called ‘The Politics of Marriage’.

    It’s over 8-minutes long!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtOywTrs94A&feature=youtu.be

  445. babar
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Thanks, but it already was available on GOT’s Youtube channel. ;-)

  446. Darquemode
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    babar,

    Ah, so it is.

    I should subscribe I guess huh? XD
    Well, now it’s available in 1080p I guess.

  447. John
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Sunday Cable Ratings: ‘Game of Thrones’ Wins Night –

    Game of Thrones was Sunday’s top cable program with a 2.6 up from last week’s 2.4 adults 18-49 rating.

    5.131 million

    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/05/21/sunday-cable-ratingsgame-of-thrones-wins-night-north-america-mad-men-veep-the-client-list-more/183402/

  448. patrik
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    right, i dunno where all this rugged soldier of fortune imagery came from…..Daario always came across as being on the prettier side. I always saw Brad Pitt from Troy or Gannicus (for all my STarz subscribers) from Spartacus, but bearded of course, I think some folks are just a lil too picky.

  449. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Adam Chazen:
    Winter Is Coming,

    hahaha thats a good question!We also don’t have any in LA which is a major bummer!I’m back home in NJ though so packing all the Wawa in before I head back out there.

    Thanks so much for the congrats! Great job with the site, I check it at least once a day!

    Yes, when I lived in LA I lamented the lack of Wawas almost daily. Now I’m back on the East Coast but living in North Carolina. Wawas are expanding south but haven’t quite made it this far down (the nearest one to me is about 2.5 hours away). Counting down the days until they make it down here!

    Anyway, glad to see a fellow South Jerseyan making it big. Glad you like the site. Keep up the great work!

  450. patrik
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Olive,

    Agreed! I caught that too. What’s really interesting is that Joff (for sake of not inadvertently spilling the incestual beans) has been brought up as the son of Robert Baratheon, and heir to his throne. Why start calling yourself a Lannister now?

  451. Victoria
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    I liked Daario despite his Margaery hair. That constant smirk, he’s a smug bastard and he knows it.

    Tyrion was my hero this week, his threat to Joffrey-boy was awesome, and the way he pretended to be more drunk afterwards to diffuse the situation was great too. ‘And so my watch begins’…

    Too bad no other guys saw Sam the Slayer. I am still not impressed by the Others – poorly dressed undead guys feel like they are from another show.

    Cersei just keeps on delivering.

    Next episode is the most important thing this show has to get right. No other episode packed so much emotional heat for me as that one in the books.

  452. Eor!
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Astonished: The reason you are wrong and that most fans are wrong about their little theories is you look at tiny details and you don’t get the big picture. The faceless man has no agenda. He’s not going to lead an army and he’s not going to take sides. He certainly isn’t going to get all sentimental about his heart belonging to anyone.

    But you do deserve some credit for spotting some rather shabby dialog.

    While I believe you’re right, I’d point out that we know the faceless men take on the role of their faces/identities, so just because Daario doesn’t act like a faceless man doesn’t mean he isn’t one

  453. Brightroar
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Pretty sure it was foreshadowing for the battle at the Wall, which David & Dan have already confirmed to be in next season.

  454. Ed
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    That part (Arya being right under the Mountain’s nose) was in Season Two. At Harrenhal, when Tywin and the Mountain arrived. Arya and the rest of the prisoners were there and Tywin took her as cupbearer. The Mountain was standing right there.

    KingJon:
    Loved the Arya and Hound scene. Sort of wish they included the part where Arya actually met his brother and how the Hound laughed about the Mountain having her right under his nose and not realizing it. Twas a small victory for the Hound. I really hope they devote a lot of time to all of their scenes next year. And I’m really looking forward to TV Arya’s first intentional kill. I’m guessing it will be at an inn with some of the Mountain’s men

  455. Juego de Tronos
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    This episode has been weak.

  456. Hawk
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Daario…might be a faceless man, and might be the real Aegon, or he might be both, but he is absolutely not the same character as Jaqen H’ghar…that would truly require the use of Littlefinger’s teleportation device…

  457. tysnow
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    SBaradan,

    They narration at the beginning of the preview stated only two episodes left, therefore my thinking is that the scenes covered both 9 and 10.

  458. Jentario
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    coronaking,

    I think GRRM implies she is much, much older than she looks, but I was not sureif that meant she was undead or simply unnaturally old from her sorcery keeping her alive so , much longer than a normal human’s lifetime.
    *Shrug*

    I never picked that up. Are you also saying she’s a time traveling zombie?

  459. Jentario
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Juego de Tronos:
    This episode has been weak.

    GTFO

  460. Joey
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    GB: Why does Daario have a Dothraki sword? Is he Dothraki?

    It is an Arakh. Commonly used by Dothraki, But there are others that use it to

  461. Joey
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Eugene Toussaint: WeirwoodTreeHugger, I actually think he was talking about TWOW, I do not believe it was snowing at thebattle on the wall and that battle really did not make or break Stannis’ fortune as much as the battle of winterfell will or will not doplus a battle in the snow sounds more like TWOW than the battle at the wall

    Thats a battle we wont see for years in the show. I think hes talking abuot the wall because it will happen next season

  462. Pau
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: GTFO

    Hey do you live in North Korea or are you descendant from the Nazis? We have freedom of opinion and speech here

  463. Eor!
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Pau: Hey do you live in North Korea or are you descendant from the Nazis? We have freedom of opinion and speech here

    Who says he’s in America?

  464. Stone Cold Bastard
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    House Snow:
    Yeah I thought Sam the slayer was one of the best scenes in the series to date.I don’t get the hang up on his brothers seeing it.Seems so nitpicky.

    What you don’t get is that now without his brothers seeing him kill the whitewalker is that no one will call him “slayer”, respect him and know he’s not a coward.

  465. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Stone Cold Bastard,

    Sam always took it as them mocking him, and a lot of it was to mock him. The ones who said it in a respectful way(Grenn,Ed, and Pyp) are already fairly close to him anyway.

  466. QUISTIFER
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I wondered that too! But then, didn’t he find a stash of them? So maybe he has more in his satchel. :)

  467. Crimson
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I think he refers to the offscreen battle of The Fist at the start of the season, and he saw it at the end of S2 when staring at the flames with Mel.

  468. KingJon
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I was actually referring to how the Hound got a big laugh from finding out that his brother had Arya right under his nose and didn’t realize it. And now he has her. In the books, Arya tells the Hound how she ran into the Mountain and his friends. I was let down, i guess, that this wasn’t included. At least not yet.

  469. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    KingJon,

    They may be back-loading Hound-Arya for Season 4, so she doesn’t arrive in Braavos too early. I really hope so.

  470. Mashiara
    Posted May 21, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Great episode and a chilling scene to end it on.

    My only complaint would be Peter’s drunk performance was too OTT, it became pantomine at times.

    I hate how we now have to wait two weeks for the next episode, damn you silly American’s and your holidays.

    I thought Peter’s performance was funny and perfect as always…

    And for the record the holiday in question is Memorial Day! So yeah damn us “silly Americans” for taking a day to honor our fallen soldiers…to take a moment to remember the ultimate sacrifices the men and woman of our armed forces have made. If that’s what makes me a silly American, then you should be laughing, not hating…

  471. Eljuma
    Posted May 22, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    I see many people complaining that Joffrey “stated openly that he was a Lannister” when he threatened to rape Sansa.

    But the wording is “putting a baby Lannister in her”. Any baby that Sansa gives birth and is recognized by Tyrion, even if it is not really his, will be a Lannister baby by law. Joffrey is a douche and has no reason to think that Tyrion would disown his rape baby because a baby from Sansa – any baby – serves the Lannisters interests just fine.

    It’s also an ironic throwback to Joffrey’s own parentage problem but I don’t see how it is Joffrey admitting that he is a bastard. He is Joffrey. Joffrey is as stupid as he is evil, people.

  472. Eor!
    Posted May 22, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Eljuma:
    I see many people complaining that Joffrey “stated openly that he was a Lannister” when he threatened to rape Sansa.

    But the wording is “putting a baby Lannister in her”. Any baby that Sansa gives birth and is recognized by Tyrion, even if it is not really his, will be a Lannister baby by law. Joffrey is a douche and has no reason to think that Tyrion would disown his rape baby because a baby from Sansa – any baby – serves the Lannisters interests just fine.

    It’s also an ironic throwback to Joffrey’s own parentage problem but I don’t see how it is Joffrey admitting that he is a bastard. He is Joffrey. Joffrey is as stupid as he is evil, people.

    Doesn’t he refer to himself several times as a Lannister in the books? I always assumed it was due to Cersei’s parenting, probably talking all the time about how he’s a “Lannister”, and Joffrey is too dumb to realize what she was doing

  473. RonSnow
    Posted May 22, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Dorin:
    Why didn’t Sam search the White Walker Corpse afterwards? Given the high level of the creature, there was probably 769 gold, perhaps a full suit of Ebony armor w/ Ebony sword, a couple of ingots, a used dragonglass dagger, 3 flawless diamonds,choctop, a wrapped invitation to Peters icecreamery factory and acouple of other high valued items. He missed out on some great loot. Oh wait, different world…

    Awesome!
    You level up and have 3 skill points to spend

  474. Tormund Thunderfist
    Posted May 23, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Anne,

    AFAIK they don’t make a new credit sequence for each episode. They have several and use the one that fits best. I don’t know about seasons two and three, but for season one there were four different tours of the map.
    I mean, we haven’t visited Castle Black since the last episode of season one but it appears on the map every week.

  475. redqueen
    Posted May 25, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,

    Fantastic comparison, can’t imagine all the work you’ve put into this. Also makes GRRM ad genius if he has pulled this together from the disjointed pieces of Norse mythology.

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