GRRM confirms Red Viper, Mace, Magnar being cast
By Fire And Blood on in Casting, News.

george-rr-martinGooood newwwws, everyone!

Leaked audition footage told us about the casting of Styr, the Magnar of Thenn for season 4 of Game of Thrones, but it seems we now have more names to add to the Official Pile of Awesome.

Tower of the Hand reports from a Q&A at ConQuesT 44 in Kansas City that George confirmed the show is at this very moment looking for season 4 characters:

Auditions are being held now for season 4 – including Styr the Magnar of Thenn, Mace Tyrell and OBERYN MARTELL!!

You can go HERE to read about Tower of the Hand’s recap of George’s appearance, as well as many of the things discussed in the Q&A.

Fire And Blood: Glad the news is out. A little birdie told me they are currently looking for Ellaria Sand as well! (Though no, that’s not an official announcement by any stretch.) Either way, color me chuffed.

Please give us Dorne and an awesome Red Viper!

So what does everyone think? Do any specific names come to mind for these roles? And assuming Oberyn, Ellaria, Mace, and Styr are now off the proverbial chopping block, chime in with your top 5 “most necessary” season 4 castings! Who else are you dying to see? I’m curious!


569 Comments

  1. Elundin
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    James Purefoy for Oberyn. Hands down. I know we can’t have him though :(((

  2. Hannah
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    Omg omg omg!!!! The red viper! :D

  3. dragonreborn
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    hodor!!!!

  4. Paul Martell
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    HODOR

    Great News!

  5. sari
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:41 am | Permalink

    Elundin,

    lol no.

  6. Hannah
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    The best cast for Oberyn Martell is Kayvan Novak!

  7. ted stark
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews for Oberyn!

  8. Jon "Dovahkiin" Targ
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    The kindly man
    The sphynx
    Val
    so many…

  9. TinPanAlley
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Oded Fehr for the viper… Longshot, but would rule

  10. Sword of the Morning
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    We definitely need Arianne, I also want to see Darkstar but think that might be season 5.

  11. Razzle
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    Yes!! Definitely Oded Fehr.
    TinPanAlley,

  12. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    I hope D&D get another big name actor for the red viper, like they did for Ned Stark, since the actor won’t have to make any longterm committmen…

    Hopefully whoever gets cast as the red viper he is a complete badass.

  13. GerB40
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Has anyone considered Idris Elba as The Red Viper? He certainly has the range to play a Martell.

  14. Sara
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    Elundin,

    Since the Dornish are POC, can we not try and cast more white people off the bat?

  15. Andy
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    Michael Wincott for Oberyn. Hell, Michael Wincott for any of them. Or all of them at the same time.

  16. Douglas
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:59 am | Permalink

    Excellent, now it’s also hightime to cast Euron (Mads Mikkelsen!) , Victarion and Damphair.

    Bring on the Greyjoys, you soft greenlanders!

  17. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    James Purefoy would be the most badass Red Viper!

    I don’t care what he said about GoT in some tabloid media outlet. GoT is a big critically acclaimed show, if D&D approached him with this role offer and communicated it wouldn’t be a long commitment he would do it. Any actor would, it’s freaking GoT!

    I loved his badass soldiers soldier role as Mark Anthony in ROME. He could pull off the Red Viper’s persona so easily with his snarky, barley restrained, ready to snap witty anger.

    Would love to see Mr. Purefoy as The Red Viper but I doubt D&D will get him…

    Also, please tell me they are getting Conan Stevens back! The season 2 Mountain would totally wreck the Red Viper storyline IMO.

  18. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:06 am | Permalink

    Douglas:
    Excellent, now it’s also hightime to cast Euron (Mads Mikkelsen!) , Victarion and Damphair.

    Bring on the Greyjoys, you soft greenlanders!

    Victarion should be Ray Stevenson.
    But after this confirmation I’m beginning to doubt the Greyjoy’s appearance next year. Balon’s might not even die this season, so it can wait.

  19. TinPanAlley
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:07 am | Permalink

    I don’t see anyone better than Oded Fehr personally

  20. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:09 am | Permalink

    I was disappointed to see Tom Wlaschiha(Jaqen) cast in a broadcast TV pilot. I was hoping he would return in S4 or 5 and Jaqen would take the role of the Kindly Man.

  21. Shan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    ::fingers crossed:: C’mon Dornish! Baby needs a new pair of non-monochromatic characters!

  22. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:12 am | Permalink

    Sara:
    Elundin,

    Since the Dornish are POC, can we not try and cast more white people off the bat?

    If we want to be completely true to the books the Martells themselves are actually more like dark whites than light blacks. It’s the Dornish that live near the sea that are the black ones. That said, this is an opportunity and HBO might take it. That’s fine by me.

    As long as Oberyn is awesome, Arianne is hot, Quentyn is not (though that may be season 6 material) and Doran is awesome in a less straightforward way, I’m cool.

  23. Nan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    Alexander Siddig for the Red Viper, please.

  24. queeninthenorth
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:14 am | Permalink

    I’m really hoping to see Arianne and the Sand Snakes next season but I think they’ll more likely be in season 5

  25. Ashley Leigh
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    Elundin,

    James Purefoy would be so awesome as Oberyn. He’s amazing.

  26. Selmy
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    Fantastic news about Oberyn and Mace!!!!!!!!!
    Surprised there’s to be a Magnar to be honest… I guess he will fulfill the role of wildling villain like Orell has been this year…

    Other characters that need to be cast for season 4….

    Victarion, Euron, Damphair, Ellaria… definitely shouldn’t be as many as season 3.

  27. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    queeninthenorth:

    Arianne could and IMO should be introduced this season to help connect the story for show watchers. Otherwise Dorne will come out of nowhere (and it wasn’t a nice feeling in the book). Also, they are going to need to cast TONS of characters for season 5 unless they’re making deviations so it would help if they cast some of them this season instead. I honestly can’t think of any uncast ASOS characters aside from these few and maybe Coldhands (which may still appear this season). They should make use of that.

  28. Hounded
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Hopefully Hannibal will be cancelled (considering how terrible it was) which will free up Mads Mikkelsen to be Euron Crows’eye.

  29. donks
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:22 am | Permalink

    Another vote for Oded Fehr. He’s just how I imagine him.

  30. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:23 am | Permalink

    Ashley Leigh,

    I don’t know what it is about James Purefoy but I love that guys aggressive cockiness. Because of that I think he’d be an awesome Red Viper.

    You remember he did take a part in Starz Camelot… He was a badass (like always). When he got killed off in a super cheesy fight, I stopped watching that show lol…

    So if he’d take a part in Camelot, how could he not take a part in GoT if offered?

  31. TheHedgeWizard
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Amr Waked is the Red Viper. perfect for it.

  32. Cerb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Cut from 80 000 to 30 000?
    If ADwD was cut down in a similar way, I shudder to think what it looked like in first draft …

  33. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    OBERYN :DDDDDD

    The way that I they will do it is, either in the season 3 finale or the season 4 premiere, Tywin will inform Tyrion that he has offered small council seats to Doran Martell and Mace Tyrell, and that Tyrion is to greet the Dornish envoy.

    Anyway, I think that after those four the next six most important would be Val (combined with Dalla), Coldhands (assuming he isn’t Benjen or Waymar), a singer in the Vale and Brown Ben Plumm (assuming he hasn’t be combined with Daario, and I sincerely hope he hasn’t), Penny (it will be a cameo this season, with her returning in a more permanent role in either season 5 or 6) and Aeron Greyjoy

    Possible castings: Myranda Royce, Mya Stone, Tristifer Botley (combined with Qarl), Donal Noye, Bowen Marsh (unless they bring back the guy from season 1), Skahaz mo Kandaq, Reznak mo Reznak and Hizdahr zo Loraq
    If the Night’s Watch Election is in season 4 (although I believe it will kick off season 5): Cotter Pyke and Denys Mallister
    If the Kingsmoot is in season 4: Victarion Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy and maybe a few other ironborn
    If they try and work the whole ‘Reek’ thing into the tv series, then: Reek

    Returning cast that wasn’t in season 3: Maester Aemon Targaryen, Alliser Thorne, Janos Slynt, Polliver, Gregor Clegane (hopefully Conan), Lancel and Kevan

    I think Dorne will be left for season 5.

  34. bela
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    James Purefoy is busy with The following.

  35. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    bela,

    Nooooooo! =[

  36. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    I haven’t really considered who I’d like to see for Styr, but I’m sure whoever they pick will be suitable. As for Mace, there are any number of really good options available (as was discussed in the casting speculation thread for his character), so again, I’m not too concerned over who gets the role as I’m sure they’ll find a great actor for the part.

    But there’s no way I want Oded Fehr as the Red Viper. The guy just exudes cheese. He’s not a terrible actor, but he’s not particularly good, either. I’m still sticking with Cliff Simon as my main pick, though. I’ve also recently seen an actor called Amr Waked in the mini-series House of Saddam, and thought he was quite good. Someone had mentioned him in the casting thread over at Westeros.org, so I made sure to check out something he had acted in. I’d be happy with either actor, honestly. They just need to work on getting Conan Stevens back on board to play The Mountain.

    Cliff Simon:

    http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/383/190332-cliffsimon_large.jpg

    Amr Waked:

    http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Amr+Waked+2qx2GoA0U9_m.jpg

    As for Ellaria, I think we’ll be seeing another Rome alumni in Indira Varma:

    http://image.toutlecine.com/photos/r/o/m/rome-serie-tv-2005-16-g.jpg

    As for other additions to the cast I’d like to see next season…

    Victarion, Euron, and possibly Aeron (though I could also see him being cut). Val should be cast, to help flesh out Mance Rayder, who should have more to do next season. I also think (and hope) we’ll see Donal Noye cast for season four. With Mormont gone, there’s a need for that type of character at Castle Black, so I’m pretty confident he’ll be in. I think there’s also a chance that we see Randyll Tarly cast for next season, and that he’ll be given more to do than he has had in the books. I also think we’ll see Hyle Hunt, Hizdahr zo Loraq (who will be more of a composite of several Mereneese characters), Brown Ben Plumm, Ser Lothor Brune, and Taena Merryweather (among other potential characters for next season).

  37. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:31 am | Permalink

    TinPanAlley:
    Oded Fehr for the viper… Longshot, but would rule

    Maybe not a longshot, hope he’s a contender and a fan of the show. If Alexander
    Siddig has wrapped up his season with ” DaVinci’s Demons ” ( an excellent show
    BTW ), he would be my # 1 choice. Naveen Andrews would also boost the show,
    but I’m not so sure of his fierceness. Perhaps fierce will take a second tier, just
    look at lady Daario. (:

  38. Oi!
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Allways thought that Oberyn is more of badass womanizer so i would go with someone like Nick Tarabay from Spartacus.

    And yeah James Purefoy would kill in this role but Euron is probably even more of a match for him.

  39. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:37 am | Permalink

    Mace Tyrell is a bore.
    The Magnar of Thenn is so book four. I keep thinking of his marrying the
    Karstark female heir, from later pages in ADWD
    .So is Ellaria’s role.

  40. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    If D&D don’t get Conan Stevens back as The Mountain, it won’t matter who they get as The Red Viper because the payoff scene will be laughable if season 2 Mountain (aka beanpole) is in it…

    D&D need to workout something. Either get Conan back, or get a silicon muscle suit for season 2 Mountain to wear under his armor to give him some girth…

    That’s step one… Fix The Mountain!!!

  41. Caedes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:40 am | Permalink

    The best casting news would be the return of Conan Stevens as the Mountain. Do we know anything about this being a possibility?

  42. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Stop suggesting white british guys for the Red Viper, this show has enough of them. I assumed they would have Arianne travel with him to Kings Landing instead of Ellaria. I hope they cast a sexy curvy woman for Arianne. Both Cersei and Melisandre and described as curvy and while Carice and Lena are very pretty they are both very skinny so I hope they don’t cast some really skinny woman to play Arianne too. I want a beautiful curvaceous woman for Arianne.

  43. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:45 am | Permalink

    I think Euron and Victarion Greyjoy should be merged into one character.

    I’d love to see another ROME actor play him. Ray Stevenson would be perfect, hell, he just did a Dexter season… He’d probably love to do a GoT, he can be a more intelligent and just as brutal “Titus Pulo” all over again… =]

  44. A wildling Bastard
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:47 am | Permalink

    Ghassan Massoud as the Red Viper .. enough said ..

  45. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Yeah… A sexy Latina would be nice. I always imagined the Dornish to be kind of an Arab/Latin looking people…

  46. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    I agree that they need to get Conan back for the Mountain. I’m not sure why they are even bothering casting Mace Tyrell but since they are I think Hugh Bonneville from Downton Abbey would be a good choice.

  47. Blaineo
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    For some reason I instantly thought of Mace Windu…

  48. Alex
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    Michal Zebrowsky for Oberyn Martell!

  49. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Blaineo,

    Samuel L Jackson for Mace Tyrell. This needs to be a thing :P.

    Anyway, as far as the Red Viper/House Martell is concerned, as long as they go with either a Spanish or Arab look for the actors I will be happy.

  50. Blutrabe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    With Mace Tyrell being mentioned 1000 times already this season, his appearance in S4 was to be expected.

  51. Fire And Blood
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:17 am | Permalink

    Blutrabe:
    With Mace Tyrell being mentioned 1000 times already this season, his appearance in S4 was to be expected.

    I’m actually thinking that since Oberyn and Mace will be around the same age, they may make Mace the lame one (instead of poor missing Willas) who had been injured by the Red Viper. That would give them some direct conflict. It’s possible!

  52. Colty
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:19 am | Permalink

    Just throwing this out there…

    David Benioff as Oberyn Martell

  53. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    Indeed, the most important casting for next season is that of the Mountain. We NEED a mountain, not a lantarn post…

    Khal-A-Bunga: there’s no way I want Oded Fehr as the Red Viper. The guy just exudes cheese. He’s not a terrible actor, but he’s not particularly good, either

    I agree with you completely, and am surprized he gets so much support here. He fitted very well in something like The Mummy, but I can’t (or don’t want to) imagine him as the Red Viper. Reminds me a bit of when so many supported Eva Green for Melisandre – so glad she didn’t get the chance to turn Mel all cheesy like she almost certainly would have… Then again, opinions always will differ as people like different things, so with many people wanting Fehr, maybe he does have talent you and I haven’t spotted yet? Luckily Nina Gold never cares about names when she’s casting though, so IF it happened that she chooses him, I’ll trust her judgement!

  54. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    Colty: David Benioff as Oberyn Martell

    if it would mean that he and Dan would not have the time then next year to mess up an entire episode, I would almost be tempted to support this :-)

  55. Critical Geek
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    When I think Dorn, I think Latino, with the full range of skin hues.

  56. Nic
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:34 am | Permalink

    Mark Strong for The Red Viper please

  57. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:40 am | Permalink

    The Red Viper was 100% in. There was no doubt about that. He is an important part in the KL plot and a device in the introduction (historical) of Aegon when he will appear in S5. My pick: Cliff Simon.

    Mace Tyrell is a welcome surprise! It is interesting how in every season a new Tyrell appears… like a weed they surround the Red Keep, not like a rose. I was hoping for this character not to be cut, for so many reasons. I can’t wait to see the hilarious interactions between Mace and Olenna! It will be a blast! My picks: Robie Coltrane or Brendan Gleeson.

    Ellaria – If this is true… I don’t know… It’s not a very important character. I would go with Arianne coming to KL instead. But my bet is that Ellaria will be involved in a Oberyn-Cersei plot. Maybe Tywin will make Cersei marry Oberyn, when Loras will join the KG. And Ellaria will be there to shake things up a bit. My pick: Indira Varma.

    EDIT: Oh, and yes! Conan Stevens back as the Montain! Is totally imperative! He must come back! He must!

  58. Hounded
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    Thats a very interesting idea… very well may be the case…

    However I did like the fact that all the Tyrell’s were bitter about it except from Willas himself who understood that it was a mistake and didn’t blame Oberyn…

    Something I wondered is that they could write in a storyline where Alerie Hightower (Mace’s wife) is dead (she is a very minor character) and that would explain why Loras has no brothers in show-canon. Because simply stopping at only having one son seems odd in this world of heirs.

  59. Quowala
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:46 am | Permalink

    I’m looking forward to seeing Mace mainly because it means more Tyrell costumes. Tyrells are so fabulous.

  60. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:47 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    I just don’t see how combining Arianne and Ellaria could possibly work. Either they would have to have Oberyn in a relationship with his niece, which would just be silly, or they would have to eliminate Arianne being Doran’s daughter and heir, which would screw things up even more

  61. Joh
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    I think we need some bards in Season 4…

    The Blue Bard for sure,
    and some equivalent of Marillion for the Eyrie scenes,
    and someone to sing “For hands of gold are cold, but a woman’s hands are warm…”

    And some Kettleblacks! At least one. Preferably one who can bitterly accuse Cersei after being interrogated by the Faith Militant

  62. Ross
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    Arthur: If D&D don’t get Conan Stevens back as The Mountain, it won’t matter who they get as The Red Viper because the payoff scene will be laughable if season 2 Mountain (aka beanpole) is in it…
    D&D need to workout something. Either get Conan back, or get a silicon muscle suit for season 2 Mountain to wear under his armor to give him some girth…
    That’s step one… Fix The Mountain!!!

    [APOLOGIES, DIDN'T SPOILER TAG AND CAN'T SEEM TO FIX - MINOR SPOILERS BELOW]

    I completely agree. That scene is one of the very top moments in the entire series and the duel should be suitably epic. But also remember that as well as a personal vendetta for the Red Viper, the duel is to decide Tyrion’s guilt – the audience should be duly concerned about Oberyn’s chances going up against The Mountain. It is VITAL that the Mountain is daunting and terrifying, and Conan Stevens well and truly ticked these boxes – they have to bring him back to make this pivotal scene work.

  63. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    No, no combining. Sorry for being ambigous. I meant Elaria being cut, and Arianne coming to KL instead. She will become some sort of ”bridge” between S4 and Dorne in S5. Good connection. Still, Ellaria is a fun character. Maybe she will take the place of Taena Merrywhether…

  64. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    Let me add my voice to those clamouring for the return of Conan Stevens as The Mountain. He’s terrifying and intimidating in the role. He also looks like he could be Rory McCann’s older, more brutish brother. Ian Whyte’s a great creature-actor (Clash of the Titans, Alien VS Predator… Game of Thrones!) but he lacks the barely contained fury and madness that is the Mountain Who Rides. As some have said, he’s also incredibly thin, even in that bulky armour. Tackling Stevens looks like trying to scale a wall.

    The producers don’t seem to like extending any olive branches (at least it seems that way after they ignored Clive Mantle after he couldn’t return for season 2) but I hope for the sake of a few incredible and pivotal scenes that they bring back Conan.

  65. queeninthnorth
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    Also, I would love to see Indira Varma as Ellaria. She was fantastic in Rome.

  66. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    General note to everybody:

    Ross,

    Rule #1 in the Spoiler Policy: In the comments, any spoilers from future books must be blacked out using the “spoiler” tag! I know your comment might not seem like much of a spoiler to you (and many others who always seem to forget), but please remember that there’s always people around that haven’t read the books… This goes especially for these casting threads, where in the heat of the moment all sorts of storylines can be spoiled.

    [Edit: @Ross: I see you became aware of it by yourself, good :-) ]

  67. mags giantsbabe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:07 am | Permalink

    Great news. I wonder then if Styr is the character who lives in the show who dies in the books, as D&D have mentioned. Because if this is the case I will be very relieved that it’s not Ygritte :))

    I’d love to see Satin, Victarion and Euron.

  68. alex
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:19 am | Permalink
  69. Pennytree_rules
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    About the Red Viper…. i think it’s a mistake to choose someone with oriental features. That suits Essos’ characters, but Dorn is in the Seven Kingdoms. Martell are dornishmen from the “salt”, with a mixture of andal and rhoynar blood. Any ethnically western actor with dark hair and olive skin can be suitable. My pick: Olivier Martinez.

  70. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard:
    Ghassan Massoud as the Red Viper .. enough said ..

    I actually see him rather as Doran Martell considering the age.

    To those proposing Indira Varma as Ellaria: I think you could well be correct considering her looks, her acting credentials and history, and her age.

  71. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    alex:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhbDPx5Upxw

    Ah no, that reference is completely out of place, unless you consider the subject of this entry bad news :-)

  72. Red Helm
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    Yeah! There already are German, Danish, Dutch and Norwegian actors in the show, now is the time for Polish actors! Krzysztof Globisz for Mace Tyrell!

  73. Michel
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    Very excited about this notice, but please, I just want the Greyjoy brothers to be in! And of course, Ray Stevenson for Victarion and Jason Isaacs for Euron (assuming that Madds is not avaliable).

  74. Red Hound
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Ross,

    Uhh, put a spoiler tag on that. It’s VERY spoilerish.

  75. Jake
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Long shot… but The Red Viper – Javier Bardem would be pretty fucking awesome

  76. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    I really hope Arianne Martell appears next season. It would give the viewer reason to care about her and introducing her early will make her future story arch better.

    Kings Landing next season is going to be all kinds of awesome.

  77. jonathan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Im guessing…..who would not be white so far? Maybe tyrion or Jaime or maybe Ned…Black Ned! :) get real. The Dornish in the BOOK description are olive dark. Not really white. So, Persian/Mediterranean/Spanish look. Chill on on the race thing already. Do you tell the Miami Heat they need more white people lol?

    Sara,

  78. Modiglian
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    Jake:
    Long shot… but The Red Viper – Javier Bardem would be pretty fucking awesome

    Just… NO

    He’s from my country and I’ve seen most of his career… he’s an horrible actor.

  79. Sunny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:58 am | Permalink

    Why do people keep saying bring back Conan Stevens? He is not necessary at all. In the books, the Mountain was decked in armor from head to toe, the show could easily hire an imposing actor to don the Mountains armor during the duel with Oberyn. The bits of dialogue for the mountain during the fight can be added post-production by a voice actor ala Darth Vader. All the show needs to do is make the Mountain look imposing. This can be accomplished with any giant of a man, acting chops aren’t really needed.

  80. Modiglian
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    from Conan Steven’s website:

    I had a great time working on GoT season 01 and the response from viewers to my character and portrayal seemed very positive. I was looking forward to being able to reprise the role for season 02, but it seems like HBO decided to go in a different direction for the 2nd season and I will not be playing Ser Gregor this time around which is a pity.

    Of course, if I were asked to appear in season 03 I would be very excited to do so.

    http://www.conanstevens.com/acting-movies-tv-film/tall-actor-blog/game-of-thrones-season-02.html

    We want the true Mountain back! #NOOONEUNDERSTAAANDS

  81. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    Regarding not having Conan Stevens as the Mountain, there’s an easy out – if he never takes off his helmet, they just need a massive guy who can move well.

    Ian Whyte is on the show as the random stunt and CGI/monster model (and he looked fine as a Giant and a White Walker!). He didn’t look the part in S2 as the Mountain, but to be honest I’m not sure why they got him to do those scenes anyway. The Mountain only needs to be in the entire TV series twice – the tourney in s1 and then the s3 duel. The Mountain lines with Tywin could have been delivered by any random Lannister soldier.

    Any, back to topic, I don’t really care what race the Dornish are in theory (the Dornish aren’t specifically “POC”, they’re essentially a mixed race society, ranging from quite dark to quite light), but I DO care that they’re noticeably different to the rest of Westeros, and preferably that they have a different accent – the “Dornish Drawl” that GRRM mentions… I’d love if they sounded South African, or Australian or something – a native English-speaking accent, but still noticeably different. The Northerners on the TV series sound like they’re from Yorkshire, some of the guys in the Vale (particularly Vardis) sounded Welsh… Give the Dornish something characteristic.

    For the Red Viper – my number 1 vote is for Javier Bardem. That would be freaking awesome. Though maybe not realistic.

    If I had to guess from previous castings, I think they’ll either go for Mediterranean, or maybe British African actors such as they did for Missandei and Grey Worm. Or maybe actors of Indian/Nepali/Pakistani etc heritage such as Amrita Acharia (Irri) or Ramon Tikaram (shame that guy only got such a brief moment of glory).

  82. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    Modiglian: Just… NO

    He’s from my country and I’ve seen most of his career… he’s an horrible actor.

    His friend Oscar disagrees.

    The guy is amazing, I’ve seen a lot of his Spanish stuff too (Jamón Jamón etc) and loved it.

    Go and watch No Country For Old Men and try and tell me he can’t act.

  83. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:11 am | Permalink

    Sunny,

    Don’t underestimate Conan’s qualities: besides his acting capabilities (undoubtedly good enough for the Mountain), it’s mainly his huge imposing physique and martial arts training that makes him almost unique. (and any swords duel becomes better if you can see some emotions on the actors’ faces…) Personally I didn’t appreciate Conan’s agressive way of defending his (defendable) view on piracy, but if they’d announce his reappearance as the Mountain, I’d be happy for a week!

  84. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    Sunny:
    Why do people keep saying bring back Conan Stevens? He is not necessary at all. In the books, the Mountain was decked in armor from head to toe, the show could easily hire an imposing actor to don the Mountains armor during the duel with Oberyn. The bits of dialogue for the mountain during the fight can be added post-production by a voice actor ala Darth Vader. All the show needs to do is make the Mountain look imposing. This can be accomplished with any giant of a man, acting chops aren’t really needed.

    Correct.

  85. Nuno
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Hannah,

    Good call!

  86. Moon-and-Star
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Sunny:
    Why do people keep saying bring back Conan Stevens? He is not necessary at all. In the books, the Mountain was decked in armor from head to toe, the show could easily hire an imposing actor to don the Mountains armor during the duel with Oberyn. The bits of dialogue for the mountain during the fight can be added post-production by a voice actor ala Darth Vader. All the show needs to do is make the Mountain look imposing. This can be accomplished with any giant of a man, acting chops aren’t really needed.

    I agree. If I hadn’t been reading this site I wouldn’t have even noticed he’d been recast.

    GerB40, you kinda blew my mind. Idris Elba would be fantastic casting, holy crap. He is now my (possibly unrealistic) dream casting.

    I could go for Oded Fehr or Alexander Siddig as well, now that I’ve finally seen DaVinci. Cliff Simon was awesome in Stargate, but I am firmly in the ‘Martells are POC’ camp. As someone who generally takes the changes in stride (because adaptation), this is the one thing that would probably turn me into AngryGoTFan.

    But in Nina Gold we trust :)

  87. Steve Hugh Westenra
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Alexander Siddig for the Red Viper! That is all.

  88. Sunny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Tar Kidho:
    Sunny,

    Don’t underestimate Conan’s qualities: besides his acting capabilities (undoubtedly good enough for the Mountain), it’s mainly his huge imposing physique and martial arts training that makes him almost unique. (and any swords duel becomes better if you can see some emotions on the actors’ faces…)Personally I didn’t appreciate Conan’s agressive way of defending his (defendable) view on piracy, but if they’d announce his reappearance as the Mountain, I’d be happy for a week!

    I would prefer Conan too, I just don’t think its the end of the world if he isn’t back.

  89. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:29 am | Permalink

    On Dorne,

    I agree that they need to be darker skinned than usual with Westerosi but they also need to be not be so dark that they look black or potentially Indian. As such, Mediterranean, North African or Arabic actors would be passable. But they also need to be native English speakers, with a slightly different accent to that of Westeros, but not so radically different that it sounds out of place or just simply “foreign”.

    I’d say potentially mixed-race South Africans would be a good bet or mixed-race New Zealanders. I’m thinking the Manu Bennett type of skin tone.

  90. Ross
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Sunny:
    Why do people keep saying bring back Conan Stevens? He is not necessary at all. In the books, the Mountain was decked in armor from head to toe, the show could easily hire an imposing actor to don the Mountains armor during the duel with Oberyn. The bits of dialogue for the mountain during the fight can be added post-production by a voice actor ala Darth Vader. All the show needs to do is make the Mountain look imposing. This can be accomplished with any giant of a man, acting chops aren’t really needed.

    It’s a fair point, but then again, it’s not really his size that makes the Mountain terrifying, its his utter amorality and psychopathy – I maintain it would be much more effective to see his face as it’s only then that those ‘qualities’ come across (as with the horse beheading scene). The Mountain doesn’t have much screen time granted, but I think this scene is so pivotal, that just dressing a big dude up in armour and covering his face at all times would detract from its impact tremendously. Remember, this fight is extremely PERSONAL – we need to see the faces of the protagonists

  91. Red Hound
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: His friend Oscar disagrees.

    The guy is amazing, I’ve seen a lot of his Spanish stuff too (Jamón Jamón etc) and loved it.

    Go and watch No Country For Old Men and try and tell me he can’t act.

    Oscars mean very little. Part of the Javier Bardem hate comes from his attitude, double standards, hypocrisy and general idiocy towards Spanish internet-users (long story, but it’s related to the SGAE, which is incredibly corrupt). His acting skills are good though, as he comes from a family of actors including the renowned Pilar Bardem.

  92. Sunny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Ross: It’s a fair point, but then again, it’s not really his size that makes the Mountain terrifying, its his utter amorality and psychopathy – I maintain it would be much more effective to see his face as it’s only then that those ‘qualities’ come across (as with the horse beheading scene).The Mountain doesn’t have much screen time granted, but I think this scene is so pivotal, that just dressing a big dude up in armour and covering his face at all times would detract from its impact tremendously.Remember, this fight is extremely PERSONAL – we need to see the faces of the protagonists

    Fair enough. But from a logic standpoint, why would the Mountain wear so much heavy armor only to leave his head exposed? Part of what makes the Mountain so imposing is that he has no glaring weakspots to expose. His armor is so strong a sword can’t penetrate it. He has a massive greatsword that he wields with one hand opposed to two hands, which allows him to also carry a shield. If he isn’t wearing a helm, why would Oberyn not just target his head as opposed to the joints in his armor? You can get across his psychopathy by his grunts, swearing, yelling, barking and anger. Things a good voice actor should be able to get across.

  93. Marie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:44 am | Permalink

    Yes, definitlely Purefoy!

  94. The SheBear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    I’m soooo glad the Red Viper is in! Please send arianne to KL with him, it would be fun to find out about Quentyn and the Martell plotting next season, so Quentyn gets introduced at the beginning of S5. I also hope we get to see Oberyn fucking Cersei and then doing the exact opposite than promised at the trial!

    As for other characters I want the three Greyjoy brothers since I’m dying to see the kingsmoot, one of my favorite scenes from all the books and with a shocking revelation at the end! :)

  95. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Rhys:
    On Dorne,

    I agree that they need to be darker skinned than usual with Westerosi but they also need to be not be so dark that they look black or potentially Indian. As such, Mediterranean, North African or Arabic actors would be passable.But they also need to be native English speakers, with a slightly different accent to that of Westeros, but not so radically different that it sounds out of place or just simply “foreign”.

    I’d say potentially mixed-race South Africans would be a good bet or mixed-race New Zealanders.I’m thinking the Manu Bennett type of skin tone.

    I’ve suggested mixed-race South African elsewhere… I’d go with that.

    But mixed Polynesian/European actors as the Dornish could be cool – have any of you guys seen Once Were Warriors?!! Dornish with a Kiwi accent would be ace (though a lot of American viewers might struggle to understand what they’re saying).

    Just don’t get the wrong idea about NZ and cast Russell Crowe as the Red Viper.

  96. Ser Lemoncakes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Hopefully Hannibal will be cancelled (considering how terrible it was) which will free up Mads Mikkelsen to be Euron Crows’eye.

    NOOO! Despite my reservations Hannibal turned out to be the best new show since, well GOT! Praying to the old gods and the new it is renewed. Mads, however can be Euron between Seasons if he wants, or Jeyene Poole or The Ghost of High Heart. Mads for all the characters! *ends fangirling*

    Oh and Ace Bhatti for the Viper.

  97. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Sunny: Fair enough. But from a logic standpoint, why would the Mountain wear so much heavy armor only to leave his head exposed? Part of what makes the Mountain so imposing is that he has no glaring weakspots to expose.

    For what it’s worth, GRRM has complained before that the actors should wear more headgear in the show.

    The Mountain should look unscalable. No weak spots, no visible flesh.

  98. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:51 am | Permalink

    great news, oberyn and mace were definitely the two most important characters that needed to be cast for this season. They could theoretically push back other characters, such as the greyjoy brothers, until season 5 if they push balon’s death back a bit, as they seem to be doing in the tv show now. I agree with most people that conan stevens needs to come back as the mountain just for a couple of scenes (or at least they recast him as someone who looks more imposing) also i really hope they cast donal noye, and maybe a couple of others like denys mallister, or cotter pyke, to pad out the nw storyline, also brown ben plumm would be a good idea. The only characters that need to be cast next season imo would be oberyn, mace, and coldhands.

  99. Ross
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: For what it’s worth, GRRM has complained before that the actors should wear more headgear in the show.

    The Mountain should look unscalable.No weak spots, no visible flesh.

    Oh 100% – he should be fully armoured for the fight, including helm. My point is that we should see him before the fight, so we understand the threat he carries. And it would be great if he lifted up his visor for the final confrontation – the (awful) words he utters in the final moments of the fight would again lose their impact underneath a helm

  100. Enea
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    Antonio Banderas for the Red Viper!

  101. Lichschool
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:11 am | Permalink

    I’m 100% on board that Antonio Banderas would make an outstanding Red Viper. Good call Enea.

    Mads Mikkelsen is perfect for Euron.

    Ray Stevenson for Victarion!

  102. Hard Truths
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Purefoy is the no-brainer pick for the Red Viper. The Red Viper’s charisma is his most important attribute in my opinion, and Purefoy would have no problem pulling it off. Just a question of whether he is available (anyone know if his show on FOX is getting renewed?)

    GerB40:
    Has anyone considered Idris Elba as The Red Viper? He certainly has the range to play a Martell.

    Idris Elba is one of my favorite actors and I think he would be great as the Red Viper if they can’t get Purefoy. The only problem I can think of in making the Martells a different race than the other royal houses is dealing with the (Fake) Aegon plot from ADWD. Basically, if they keep the entire book history intact, Aegon is half Targaryen/half Martell, and when he shows up as a pale white guy with silver hair, it will be immediately obvious he is not half-Martell. Of course cutting (Fake) Aegon out of the show would render this concern null.

  103. hertolo
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Sunny,

    The same reason the soldiers at Blackwater didn’t wear any and Stannis lead the attack over the walls there… It’s tv, deal with it ;-)

    As to the topic, I like Ellaria as that would show that there are functioning relationships in Westeros. It also upps the drama with Cersei. ;) And to how the Dornish will look in the show, they just need to be distinctive. After that, having good actors is more important than their skin colour being consistent between them. It’ll work out, I’m sure ;)

  104. Maximilian
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Ser Lemoncakes: NOOO! Despite my reservations Hannibal turned out to be the best new show since, well GOT! Praying to the old gods and the new it is renewed. Mads, however can be Euron between Seasons if he wants, or Jeyene Poole or The Ghost of High Heart. Mads for all the characters! *ends fangirling*

    Oh and Ace Bhatti for the Viper.

    I second Hannibal not being cancelled. Its true he would make an excellent Euron Greyjoy, but I don’t want to see good actors turning down roles in other shows that have the potential to be good just because of Game of Thrones, no matter how great HBO has made the series. And I definitely don’t want to see them cancelled because of it.

  105. Cicero
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Alexander Siddig or Adoni Maropis for the Red Viper… or Arnold Vosloo.
    Marisol Nichols for Ellaria Sand.

    Ghassan Massoud for Prince Doran…

  106. Hard Truths
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Ross: Oh 100% – he should be fully armoured for the fight, including helm.My point is that we should see him before the fight, so we understand the threat he carries.And it would be great if he lifted up his visor for the final confrontation – the (awful) words he utters in the final moments of the fight would again lose their impact underneath a helm

    I can already hear GRRM complaining about the lack of helmets in the duel haha.

  107. babar
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:23 am | Permalink

    That picture of GRRM scares the shit out of me.

  108. Adam Whitehead
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:43 am | Permalink

    JamesL: Stop suggesting white british guys for the Red Viper, this show has enough of them. I assumed they would have Arianne travel with him to Kings Landing instead of Ellaria.

    This is a great idea. Shame they don’t seem to be going with it.

  109. Yago
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    I’m actually not sure why we’re getting Mace this early. And didn’t think Ellaria was necessary myself… Well, as long as they cast some badass for Oberyn I’m happy.

  110. WinWolf
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Greyjoys!!!

  111. freoduwebbe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Ok, I like Saïd Taghmaoui for Oberyn – http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0846548/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 I think he would do a good job and isn’t as well known for other stuff

    Navid Negahban for Doran http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1041023/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1 he was great in homeland and would be good here too

  112. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    JamesL,

    Yeah… A sexy Latina would be nice.I always imagined the Dornish to be kind of an Arab/Latin looking people…

    Yes Oberyn and Ellaria should be played by Latin actors IMO.

  113. B
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I so agree with you on that. I know that actor would return if asked. But yeah, that other guy(though he had a great voice) was a weak replacement. The Mountain needs be mostly brawn and physicality. That takes a certain type of stature and capacity. He needs to intimidate with his presence, without even speaking. . That 2nd guy was Lurch- a character.

  114. kozi47
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    I want Dominic West as Oberyn!!
    He’ s great at playing hustlers and surely his appearance fits the role

    http://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2006_300/006300_Dominic_West_003.jpg

  115. The Red Viper
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Alexander Siddig playing Oberyn Martell, its not a question. Is happening

  116. Omar Brown
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:10 am | Permalink

    Brendan Gleeson for Mace
    Alexander Siddig as the Red Viper
    Ray Stevenson as Victarion
    And bring back Conan as The Mountain!

  117. Fred
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Peter Stormare for Styr!
    He´s going to be great! A real badass!

  118. Quowala
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    babar,

    I’ve often thought that George looks like a Bo Selecta mask. I mean maximum respect for the man and all but… he freaky.

  119. Dustin
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Can he please just concentrate on finishining books 6 and 7 before he dies!!!

  120. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    How about Dominic Cooper for the Red Viper. He was great in The Devil’s Double.

  121. Matt
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    I’m kinda frustrated that they’re going for Ellaria Sand instead of picking another more plot-prominent character to join Oberyn in KL, like Arianne or even the Sand Snakes. From what I recall, Ellaria doesn’t do much of anything in the books. She has only like one stand-out scene and it happens to be the last time we’ll ever see her (DWD).

  122. Bernard
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    I have always pictured the Red Viper as Alexander Siddig. A very good actor, born in the Sudan (though raised in the UK), he’d fight nicely into the cast list. He was memorable in Cairo Time, Kingdom of Heaven and Syriana, though to US viewers he’s probably best known from 24 and as the doctor on Deep Space Nine.

  123. Bernard
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Starz’s contracts are considered extremely actor friendly which is why they often get film actors with relative ease. If a ‘better’ opportunity comes along, they do their best to work with the actor’s new schedule

  124. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    I’d like to see Brendan Gleeson as Randall Tarley :)

  125. Brian
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    They need to cast Val. So far they only have one woman on the Wilding side (Ygriette) and that’s kind of pathetic.

  126. Paul
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Jake,

    If they went with Spanish actors for the Dornish, this would be an astounding casting coup. I would love to see him in that role, and he would definitely make such a mark as to leave the same kind of lingering presence as the character in the book does.

  127. mariamb18
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    Yago:
    I’m actually not sure why we’re getting Mace this early.

    We are getting Mace this early because he needs to be at his daughter’s wedding. He is the head of one of the most politically savvy houses in Westeros. It would be inappropriate for him not to attend.

    I know that Ellaria is a minor character but I hope that she is cast. She provides a different insight into Oberyn’s character. She also provides counterpoint of restraint back in Dorne when the Sand Snakes are calling for blood. If she is not cast, then I think that Oberyn would bring one of his daughters to KL rather than Arianne (probably Nymeria since we know that she is headed there at the end of AFFC.)

    And, please “no” to Naveen Andrews. Had enough of him on LOST.

  128. Chris Rennolds
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Recast The Mountain. The second actor to play him was a bean pole and nothing like the behemoth of a man he should be.

  129. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Rhys:
    I’d say potentially mixed-race South Africans would be a good bet or mixed-race New Zealanders.I’m thinking the Manu Bennett type of skin tone.

    This blew my mind. I very much like the idea of Manu Bennett as Oberyn.

    As for Mads Mikkelsen and James Purefoy (assuming that there are no filming clashes with Hannibal or The Following (also assuming that Purefoy’s character returns for season 2)), I always pictured Mikkelsen as Victarion and Purefoy as Euron.

    There are only 5 castings (post season 2) that I really cared for:
    1) Viggo Mortensen as Mance Rayder (which has been denied to us, because they decided to go for a guy that is nothing like how Mance is described in the books)
    2) Mads Mikkelsen as Victarion Greyjoy
    3) James Purefoy as Euron Greyjoy
    4) Kevin McKidd as Griff (season 5)
    5) Jamie Campbell Bower as Young Griff (season 5)

    EDIT : what about Viggo Mortensen as Oberyn? That could be rather epic. Or Viggo Mortensen as Euron or Victarion? or just Viggo Mortensen on the show in general… :P

  130. gisizzlah
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    as long as the Martells aren’t white washed I’ll be happy…..

  131. Michel
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Victarion is big! Ray Stevenson is much more like him. Madds is more Euron type

  132. chris77
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:49 am | Permalink

    I would love to get Janina Gavankar(True Blood) as Arianne…

  133. arolig
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    I think Euron and Victarion Greyjoy should be merged into one character.

    NO!

    U don’t merge a POV character with a king!
    And yeah! Mads Mikkelsen for Euron

    I’d love to see Viggo Mortensen as an Ironborn or Oberyn Martell

    What about?
    Mark Hamill as Doran Martell? :)

  134. renalia
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    When I think Red Viper, I think Oded Fehr (circa The Mummy days).

  135. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Michel,

    I would disagree, I think that Mads has quite a physical presence in Hannibal. Also, after seeing The Following I think that James Purefoy is perfect for Euron, I think he could really play Euron-style creepy well. But then again Purefoy has physical presence too, and Hannibal is rather creepy. I guess both of them could pull off either role really well.

  136. Anguissette1978
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews for Red Viper… Make it happen, Nina Gold!

  137. NewJeffCT
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    I would say anybody but James Purefoy for the Red Viper. Too many other good choices out there for an actor that has expressed disdain for AGoT.

    If they recast the Mountain, I hope they could get 7’7″ Daniel Gilchrist, who played Andre the Giant in the 2007 biopic. If they can’t get Conan Stevens or another beefy 7 foot tall or taller actor, they’ll need to cast somebody under 6 feet tall as the Red Viper so we can really see the size difference in the battle – like 5’9″ Naveen Andrews, formerly on Lost.

    Yes, I know they can work wonders with camera angles and CGI, and maybe adding lifts into the Mountain’s shoes to add a couple of inches, but this is a show on a budget, and saving a few bucks in CGI money may pay off in better CGI on the dragons or the wolves. Plus, when people mention Gimli and the hobbits in the LotR movies, those were often quick sweeping camera shots from a distance, followed by closeups that showed Gandalf or Aragorn looking down or one of the hobbits looking up… harder to do with an intense, back-and-forth combat.

  138. arolig
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:07 am | Permalink

    I like Naveen Andrews.
    What about Richard Armitage for some upcoming character?

  139. Jack
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    If they decide to cast the Sand Snakes, Viva Bianca would make the perfect Tyene Sand.

  140. NewJeffCT
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Jack: If they decide to cast the Sand Snakes, Viva Bianca would make the perfect Tyene Sand.

    My guess is that they’ll have one, maybe two, women represent all the Sand Snakes. Having a whole slew of young women would confuse the heck out of non book readers, and probably a few who have read the books.

  141. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    I twitted to HBO about bringing Conan back.
    If anyone wants to help me, it would be awesome :) let our voices be heard.

    https://twitter.com/val_deths/status/339367754702405632

  142. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Ross: Oh 100% – he should be fully armoured for the fight, including helm.My point is that we should see him before the fight, so we understand the threat he carries.And it would be great if he lifted up his visor for the final confrontation – the (awful) words he utters in the final moments of the fight would again lose their impact underneath a helm

    CO-SIGN.

  143. Lena
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Well of cource, when you need an arabic-looking guy you cast Fehr because he has a blockbuster history with the Mummy and Resident Evil so he’s more recognisable to the general public. I hope to God they won’t cast him! He would just spoil one of the coolest characters in the books.

  144. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Hannibal should not be cancelled it is the best thing to appear on network television in years. Bryan Fuller is a genius, the writing, directing cinematography all aces. I am actually surprised NBC even aired it. As a lover of quality television ie: The Wire, Deadwood, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, GoT, Hannibal has impressed me in more ways that one.

    Which is why it will be cancelled.

  145. Red Hound
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Dominic West as the Red Viper and have him interact with Cersei.

    I loved the relationship between both in 300.

  146. Currer Bell
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Jimi Mistry = Red Viper

  147. Chris Niko.
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I would like to see George Martin himself as Mace Tyrell, and I would like to see myself as Euron Crow’s Eye!!!

  148. zaprowsdower
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    Dustin,

    What does that have to do with anything in this post? People need to stop saying inane stuff like this.

    I think Naveen would make a good Red Viper even though he is a smidge of an overactor. I do hope they use this opportunity to cast more POCs in the show. I’ve always seen the Martells as being from the Middle East/South Asia.

  149. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    I remain a big supporter of Said Taghmaoui, despite the douchy picture of him on his Wikipedia page. Only strike against him is that he’s quite young, and if he fits the description, he’d be a bit older (he’s 39; if Oberyn “remembers” Tyrion as a child, he should be in his late 40s/early 50s…if they eliminate this aspect of the character then no problem). He’s got a hungry, feral look, and so he’s perfect for this.

    If not him, and they go older, why not Temura Morrison, from New Zealand, probably best known as Django Fett from the Star Wars prequels? He’s 52, and also has a lean, hungry, nasty look to him. I prefer him to Alexander Siddig (an actor I love quite a bit) b/c Siddig to me is a bit more contemplative and wispy looking).

    After that, I’m most interested in seeing the Greyjoys cast. The Damphair can be a relatively minor part — unless GRRM has something up his sleeve for the guy, which he might given he “disappeared” in the last couple of books.

    For Victarion, I’m with everyone who wants to go with Ray Stevenson. He’s big and tough looking, and Victarion is a big SOB.

    For Euron, if Mads Mikkelsen is busy, hell, how about his brother, Lars Mikkelsen? If not him, I like Jason Isaacs as well, who has a similarly creepy way about him of course, though he’s not quite as stringy as Patrick Malahide. A lot of people will suggest Dominic West, but I don’t see him in this role; he might work better later on down the line.

    I could care less who they cast as Mace Tyrell. He needs to be in his 50s to be young enough to be Olenna Tyrell’s son, so the Jim Broadbent types are out. “Random Fat Actor” seems to be the best idea here; Robbie Coltrane is a good choice but then again, he’s got too much personality for what I consider to be a nothing role, and I’d rather have him as Wyman Manderly.

    Ian McDiarmid would work as the Kindly Man, if we even see that plot next year. Going down the road, can we keep the Lord of the Rings connection going and get Jon-Rhys Davies for Doran Martell?

    But WiC, let’s get another casting thread going!! :) :)

  150. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    i want my dornish characters! mah boy red viper, Ellaria and i think they should have Arianne come to kl as well. Gives the audience a connection with the dorne story in season 5. Make it happen!:)

  151. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    HELL YES!!!! Incidentally, MLB players can choose music to be played when they enter the game (for a pitcher) or step up to bat (for other players), and Toronto Blue Jays Pitcher R. A. Dickey chose the King’s Landing theme.

  152. Lina
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    I never doubted Oberyn would be cast. I wasn’t necessarily expecting Mace. I’m guessing they’ll mold a few wildling identities into Styr (he’ll be a bit younger, survive and marry Alys?).

    It’s hard to pick a top five for season four because I’m not exactly sure what books it will be covering. But assuming they’re covering parts of ASOS and AFFC, I guess my top five would consist of Doran, Oberyn and Arianne and Euron/Victarion. I’d really like a Kindly Man too!

  153. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Funny that so many are proposing Arianne to come to KL – I’m sure that if D&D picked up on this and actually made the change, even many more book readers would complain about it :-)

  154. Todd
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    Morena Baccarin as Adrianne please.

  155. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Cicero,

    Ghassan doesn’t speak English. Very strange to have the Prince of Dorne with a very heavily accented common tongue. You want someone like Siddig or Alfred Molina or Gianncarlo Giannini for the role.

  156. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    It would make 0 sense to send Arianne to Kings Landing. Why would Doran risk sending the heir to Dorne to such a place?

  157. Hawk
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Vincent Cassel as Oberyn!

  158. Todd
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Jouko Ahola for Euron or Victarion

  159. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    It would make 0 sense to send Arianne to Kings Landing. Why would Doran risk sending the heir to Dorne to such a place?

    The war is “over” and Doran wants someone better than his brother to represent the Martells in front of its winners, since Oberyn is mainly there for vengeance.
    There. Good?
    It would make Dorne much less out-of- nowhere-y. It honestly makes more sense than casting Ellaria, she could just have been a random KL whore. She only has one important scene in the books (ADWD) and it can easily be said by someone else.

  160. renalia
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    @Lena

    I don’t see how Fehr is any less acceptable than other names being suggested. He is exactly who came to my mind when reading the books.

    On another note, in my wildest dreams, Gabriel Byrne is cast somewhere, anywhere. I would have loved him as Mance, or Oberyn. His subtly, the intensity of his eyes…he gives me goosebumps!

  161. TheRedWoman
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Oded Fehr is perfect for the Red Viper. I’ve pictured him since I read about him in the books.

  162. Harrymarco
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Nathan Jones (the big warrior from the beginning of the movie Troy) should be cast as the Mountain.

    Benjamin Bratt would be my suggestion for Oberyn. Right age, good actor, not too much the movie-star type.

  163. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Jentario: It honestly makes more sense than casting Ellaria, she could just have been a random KL whore.

    This sentence makes me cringe. Ellaria is Oberyn’s significant other. She is the voice of common sense, the contrast to his fiery opinions. She cannot simply be replaced by some “random KL whore.” Casting Ellaria will be good because it will provide an opportunity to have scenes with Oberyn that weren’t in the book- we can see Oberyn and Ellaria discussing things behind the scenes. While having a threeway, since that would be typical of the show. :)

  164. Todd
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Assaad Bouab as the Viper

  165. dwheresmymana
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Elundin,

    Wow, yeah it would be perfect!

  166. Durendaele
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Brit Marling for Val

  167. WinterQueene
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Please, for the love of god, give me Oded Fehr for Oberyn Martell.

  168. Prince of Pentos
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    I’ve got to say, Oded Fehr would be a fantastic choice!, but, although it’s obviously quite a stretch, why not try for Antonio Banderas!?

    He would be joining with Clive Russell, the actor for the Blackfish, as another “13th Warrior” veteran in Game of Thrones! I think he could fit the role superbly, considering also Banderas’ good looks… Just saying.

    Banderas might be willing considering it isn’t a role which would require a very long-term commitment…

  169. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: While having a threeway, since that would be typical of the show. :)

    …This sentence makes me cringe ;)

  170. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    My point still stands. Even when Doran has the opportunity to send Arianne there he does not and instead sends some sand snakes instead. Doran is smart enough to understand the dangers of kings landing. I am certainly looking forward to Ellaria and Oberyn’s scenes

  171. Jenny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    I actually much prefer to see an actor that is not as “used” as Fehr or Siddig because new viewers tend to say “Oh, it’s the guy from SO SO”, instead of concentrating on the Red Viper as the super character he is.

  172. RDL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Honestly, I could see it, but they’d find some way to fuck it up.

    Colty:
    Just throwing this out there…

    David Benioff as Oberyn Martell

  173. Jenny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    And let’s not forget the RV should be old enough

  174. KG
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    I hate everything about Dorne, so I could not care less. I’m more interested in “I’ve got five lines” Mace.

  175. Paul Meyer
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Razzle,

    That would for sure be an amazing casting choice for Oded Fehr as the Red Viper!

  176. tysnow
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    The Red Viper,

    Alexander Siddig would be best as Doran Martell, to me he doesn’t have the proper charisma for Oberyn. Mr. Siddig is more the sage, diplomatic player.
    I also second, third and fourth the idea of Arianne traveling to KL with her uncle, it will make for a more dynamic arc in future seasons to show their close relationship.
    My top three candidates for Oberyn Martell are…
    1) The Deppmeister, he has all the necessary traits (what a coup it would be).

    2) Irrfan Khan, same as numero uno and would be nice to bring the 1.3 billion Bollywood fans into GoT, furthermore cast a talented beautiful Anglo-Indo UK actress (quite a good number of them) as Arianne to cement future Indian GoT fandom. HBO would love this idea $$.
    3) After watching DaVinci’s Demons, Paul Rhys has moved not only onto my list but in the show position. He performance of Vlad was outstanding and he exuded that Viper charisma and attitude in the role.

    Sidenote: The RV is in his forties and Doran a few years older.

    Arianne, should be selected from THIS LIST of Anglo-Indo actresses, as well as Ellaria (apparently a couple of ladies on this list have already been mentioned). My choices are Frida Pinto, Dilshad Vadsaria, Nazneen Contractor, Parminder Nagra, Aruna Shields (not necessarily in that order).

  177. G
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    They NEED to get Manu Bennett to be the Red Viper

  178. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    KG:
    I hate everything about Dorne, so I could not care less. I’m more interested in “I’ve got five lines” Mace.

    Why? the Dornish are interesting because they are so unique from the rest of westeros.

  179. LilJonUmber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    I agree with those lobbying for Michael Wincott as one of the Greyjoys. That dude just oozes villainy and looks like someone who would actually reave, rape plunder and pillage in real life. Plus, he was in the Crow…Crow’s Eye…Crow…anyone?

  180. Sandsnake
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    So happy to hear that both the Viper and Ellaria are to be cast in season 4. I cant wait for the Dornish plot to get started.

    And keeping it realistic, the only other character I really hope to see in season 4 is the Crows Eye. If he gets cast for next season too then that’s me happy. Well other than my 2 favourite minor characters Aurane Waters and Tyene Sand being cast although I have a feeling they may never make the screen let alone next season.

    Also add me to the bring back Conan for the Mountain support.

  181. Serena
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Hounded,

    Hannibal should not be cancelled it is the best thing to appear on network television in years. Bryan Fuller is a genius, the writing, directing cinematography all aces. I am actually surprised NBC even aired it. As a lover of quality television ie: The Wire, Deadwood, Mad Men, Breaking Bad, GoT, Hannibal has impressed me in more ways that one.

    Which is why it will be cancelled.

    I also like Hannibal very much and I will be upset if it is cancelled!! Vikings and Hannibal are in my opinion the best new shows this season.

  182. punklunchbox
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Absolutely Naveen Andrews as the Red Viper!

  183. Lavignac
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Let me spitball a detail on the Red Viper’s appearance on the show, whoever plays him:
    I guess they will style him Lord rather than Prince, to avoid having to explain all of those Dornish/Rhoynish customs. They will have more opportunities to show the distinct Dornish culture visually rather than verbally

  184. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    Interesting theory and I like it!
    Of course at this point it is pure speculation, but that is half the fun isn’t it? XD

  185. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Oscar Isaac, as ANYONE.

  186. Hounded
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I’m a big fan of all those shows you listed (although could never get on with Deadwood)

    I was excited about Hannibal and thought the pilot was good but gave up quickly after. (Same with Vikings actually.) I just found Hannibal to be boring, stilted, quasi-psychological and dull. The directing was very nice but I can only take so many ‘arty’ shots of plates of food and antlers. It might also be because I’m sick to death of serial killer stuff now…

    Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire , Sherlock, The Borgias and Justified are my favorite dramas on air.

  187. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    I think the Dornish will be Spanish is ethnicity for the series.

    For the Red Viper: Rudolf Martin (he would be perfect for the role), Eric Bana, Olivier Martinez, Manu Bennet, Oscar Isaac, Carlos Bernard.
    Mace Tyrell: Tom Wilkinson.

  188. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Dominic West for the Viper
    Delaney Williams for Mace Tyrell or Wyman Manderly
    Idris Elba for Victarion’s Red Priest Moqorro

    !

  189. Laurentius
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    I would really love to see Stellan Skarsgård portray a Euron/Victarion character.

  190. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I again disagree with you on Hannibal. You gave up just when it got awesome. Keep in mind that ep 4 was never aired because of the network, so the plot got a bit confusing when episode 5 was shown. Episodes 7 and 8 are by far some of the greatest works of television I have ever seen.

    Give it a try when your perceptions are less tweaked then when you initially watched it. Given the pedigree of shows that you listed (Justified! I can’t believe I missed that one!) you will come around.

  191. Russell
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    I think the Dornish have a Spanish/Egyptian look……..So Alexander Siddig for Oberyn Martell and Alfred Molina for Doran Martell

  192. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    Aot of people seem to like the idea of Arianne coming to KL with Oberyn, but I simply cannot see it. It takes away what appears to be a large chunk of Arianne’s upcoming plot and eliminates the Darkstar subplot which is one of the highlights of the Dornish chapters IMO.

    Plus to me there is no logic to Doran sending his heir to KL. I could possibly see Nymeria going with her father to KL . After all she will be sent there anyway… To me that removes much of her personal motives though andI am not a real fan of that idea either…

    Agree that Ellaria Sand is minor though.
    As much as it seems unlikely to me, I wonder if they may merge Ellaria and Taena of Myr’s roles together. IT does not seem obvious to me, but if they can move past the Lannister/ Martell hatred and highlight the sexuality and hedonistic aspects of Oberyn and Ellaria maybe they could work it?

  193. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    A threeway with another dude, please! ; )

  194. Hounded
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Okay… you have convinced me… I will give Hannibal another go. And Deadwood when I get the chance!

  195. you-know-nothing
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    I can see Ellaria Sand being scrapped in favour of introducing Arianne earlier that way she can witness her uncle being killed and relay that to her father herself, also she could start her affair with a certain member of the KG in KL The sandsnakes dont actually do very much in book 4, i dont think they’ll come to the fore until books 6-7

  196. Tessa_Leonie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Ugh I love Hannibal and really do not want to see it go. Mads would be perfect as an Iron Islander and quite frankly I would also be happy to see Hugh Dancy incorporated into GoT somehow.

    Personally I always saw the Dornish as Mediterranean with some Arab/Moorish influences, basically the south of Spain. Though I think going for a couple of Italians might also be an interesting direction.

  197. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    I don’t mind Ellaria being cast at all. I liked her in the few scenes she had in the books and they’ll probably give more meat to the role in the show.

    I’m just really glad that they apparently won’t abandon the Dorne subplot. At least, I hope so.

    I do want Val, though.

  198. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    !

    (for casting wishes: “In Nina Gold we trust.”
    for writing wishes: “Cogman hear our prayers.”)

    Cogman hear our prayers:
    Three way. With dudes.

  199. Iggy1eco
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Did D&D make a cameo in any episode of GoT? I think it would be cool =p

    Also, GRR Martin cameo was shot and cut or simply deleted and never heard of again? He said he did one but didn’t find anything.

    Curious to see how they will depict Dorne in terms of architecture and special effects. Culturally can’t be any more sexual and open than the show already is =p (not saying it’s a bad thing, just not surprising) but still I hope it really feels like a new since they (still) really stand out from the rest of westeros.

  200. Satu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Nan,

    I always imagind Alexander Siddig as the Red Viper. He would be awesome!

  201. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    Here here!

  202. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Cool, if your an X Files fan you will also enjoy Hannibal come episode 7!

    Another show you should check out is The Hour. It’s the BBC version of Mad Men with intrigue. It has Ben Whishaw who was Q in Skyfall, the gorgeous Romola Garai, our own Oona Chaplin and Dominic West. Worth a look!

  203. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    My ideas for the roles..

    Mace Tyrell
    If they go high profile Hugh Bonneville would be impressive…..but Brendan Gleeson was my first choice for years. I have since moved onto Angus MacFadyen! If they keep the role very minor, maybe Gordon Kennedy or Christian Mckay would work.

    Oberyn Martell:
    I would love Khaled Nabawy as the Red Viper. He has the looks, the physicality and talents for the ole IMO. Amr Waked and Olivier Martinez would be my next choices, but honestly I can see a number of actors with lighter skin in the role as well….

    Ellaria Sand: Shivani Ghai would be my first choice, but I can see Indira Varma like many others.

    Styr:
    When I read Styr I always saw a younger Michael Berryman (The Hills Have Eyes, Weird Scienece etc), but Someone like Vinnie Jones would be fun. If they want to stay more Nordic Lars Mikkelsen would make for an interesting Magnar of Thenn! If they go young Joseph Gatt certainly fits the look, but I want him for a role in later seasons.

  204. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Either Imogen Poots or Yvonne Strahovski as Val.

    If they age her up then they should get admitted GoT fan Anna Torv of Fringe fame for the role.

  205. Susie-Q
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    I have always pictured Alfred Molina for Doran Martell when reading the books.

    I’m not sure who would be best for Oberyn Martell but some of the suggestions, Javier Bardem, Benjamin Bratt or Oded Fehr are not bad. Naveen Andrews would be fine too if he were taller and more athletic.

    I’ve always pictured those from Dorne to be dark skinned and dark haired, either Spanish, Hispanic or Indian. Since Westeros is its own world, there is nothing that says it has to be ethnically pure matching with our world. I trust Nina Gold to cast the perfect actors, she’s not let us down so far…..

  206. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Yvonne has the perfect look, but isn’t she American?

  207. Jaqen is Q
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: Mance Rayder (which has been denied to us, because they decided to go for a guy that is nothing like how Mance is described in the books)

    Mance in the show is the right age, what’s the problem? He was George-approved as well.

  208. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    I doubt Doran Martell will be cast his year unless the really expand Dorne on the series. An idea I am not against by ay means…

    IF they do cat Doran, my choice is Homayoun Ershadi. He worked with Benioff before on The Kite Runner.

  209. Ser Aerys Oakheart
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Does anyone think I will be cast? Was a such a fun storyline and an epic ending to my story.

  210. Matt
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    I really am hoping we get to see the whole Martell clan this season, one way or another. We can meet up with Arianne and the crew in Dorne in the season premiere, as they prepare to send Oberyn and Ellaria off to KL. Then we can follow Ellaria back to Dorne during the last few episodes, and set up the family for Season 5.

    This I think would be better than simply just all of a sudden transitioning to Dorne in Season 5 without knowing or having any attachment to these characters.

  211. bon
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Red Helm,

    He looks like Mace, but his english is so bad, that they won’t hire him.

  212. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,
    I agree.

    I’d love to see Dorne as soon as possible, but I doubt they’ll be going there next season. That would mean casting Doran, Arianne, Arys Oakheart and probably Darkstar, Obara, Nymeria and Tyene. Way too much new actors/characters. Even though I really hope all of them are included in the show, eventually.

  213. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Agreed on The Hour, great show!
    Not sure it is fair to call it the BBC version of Mad Men though. It has a lot more political intrigue than Mad Men’s concentration on the personal lives of its characters.

  214. Hounded
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I am an X Files fan! Seen every episode! Hmm Hannibal does aliens?! haha. My favorites were the inbreds… worse than Joffrey!

    I keep meaning to watch the Hour but have yet to get around to it.

    Have you been watching The Fall? Pretty promising so far. Has Gillian Anderson and our very own Roose Bolton and Ser Barristan!

  215. LordNoga1981
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    bela,

    Yeah but he ‘died’ at the end. The Following took a nose dive in the last few episodes, so itll be cancelled after next season. Just nothin special that show. And id rather see Purifoy as Euron Crow’s Eye and Ray Stevenson as Victarion. Then someone more middle eastern or even hispanic as The Red Viper. Oded Fehr, Naveen Andrews, hell a lot of options there.

  216. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I was not sure about The Fall at first (it felt a bit stylized to me), but it has won me over and now I think it is one of the best new dramas of the year! I’m very glad it was renewed for a second season!

    Also..
    Agreed! The inbred mutants were just disturbing and freaky!!!

  217. fuelpagan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    To send Arianne to KL for the wedding would cause too many story issues later on.
    The character arc for her goes from being simply a playing piece to becoming an actual player. Her follies derive from Doran leaving her completely in the dark about his plans. She thinks Doran is sitting around doing nothing and conspires a plan to take some action since he won’t. For Doran to send her to KL would negate her reasoning for making Myrcella queen.

    Doran realizes Arianne’s actions are as much his fault for keeping her ignorant as they are hers for defying his orders.

    What I’m saying is to make it appear as if Arianne knows anything of Doran’s plans, (as sending her to KL now would do,) you risk making Doran look like an idiot for trusting his daughter even more later on and Arianne a little brat for messing with her fathers plans in the first place.

  218. Sven
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Dominic West won’t do it — he already turned down Mance Rayder (shame, that).

    I always pictured Doran Martell as being a bit fleshier and (facially) emotive — Alfred Molina, maybe. Has the right sort of soft wheezy affected accent. Cliff Simon is ideal as Oberyn. Alternately, if they want to go some Oded-Fehr-Alexander-Siddig route, that’s okay too. I see the (various branches of) Dornish being Mediterranean/Near-Eastern olive and cafe-au-lait sorts.

  219. NukeDorne
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Ser Aerys Oakheart,

    I hope not!
    As far as I see it, cut Dorne completely, maybe mention Doran once or twice. Oberyn can be in. Fuck the Sandsnakes. Cut Quentyn and his useless travels. No Myrcella plot, just say she fell off a cliff or something, along with Arianne and her merry gang. Definitely cut Hotah.

  220. Andrew
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    cannot comprehend cutting or merging of euron/victarion
    especially since it seems vic might be dany’s way home

  221. PatD
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    There are only 5 castings (post season 2) that I really cared for:
    1) Viggo Mortensen as Mance Rayder (which has been denied to us, because they decided to go for a guy that is nothing like how Mance is described in the books)

    I know, right?

    I think Mr. Hinds is a terrific actor, but I was gutted by this choice… maybe the only miscasting by Nina & Co. in the whole series. While I was reading the book, I remember thinking that Viggo would be absolute perfection for that role. I wonder if anyone even approached him about it, because he’s been known to take unusual parts (he played Capt. Alatriste in Spanish, for Pete’s sake, just because he loved the character). Oh well, that’s water under the bridge, but I do wish they’d cast someone more similar to his actual description.

    I pictured someone like Unax Ugalde for The Red Viper, but I’d settle for Dominic West or Jason Isaac. Please, for the love of the seven gods, no Purefoy, who overacts in everything he’s in. There should definitely be something exotic about The Red Viper’s appearance. And he better be good with a sword, or whatever that pole-thing was that he used.

  222. tysnow
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    fuelpagan,

    Not necessarily on either count, in the books Arianne is close to her uncle (in a normal way) and is curious, stubborn, mischievous and cunning. It wouldn’t be past her to sneak into the Dornish diplomatic caravan and travel to KL incognito (w/o daddies permission) to be close to uncle RV and witness KL for herself. The fans might not even realize this woman is her until season 5.

  223. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Ser Aerys Oakheart,

    IF they cast Ellaria this year I think the odds of you being cast next year are pretty good honestly!

    We should see all of Dorne as in the books, including Quentyn and his companions, Areo Hotah, and the Sand Snakes in my opinion. We may not get 4 elder Sand Snakes and 4 younger Sand Snakes, but we will get a handful at least I wager.

  224. LordNoga1981
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Love all those shows. Hannibal is alright, some episodes were good, others were not. And for some reason two episodes(like 4 and 5) didnt air or get recorded. Kinda ruined its momentum. Also, Mad men has been a bit lame this season. Like 4 episodes behind because nothing has happened at all this season. Tell me it gets better.

  225. Yaden
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Elundin,

    James wouldn’t work because Oberyn isn’t white. He has darker skin, hair, and eyes. I hope to god they don’t cast him as a white actor, there are too many great actors who are MOC who can play him and be awesome.

  226. Phil
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    tysnow:
    The Red Viper,

    Alexander Siddig would be best as Doran Martell, to me he doesn’t have the proper charisma for Oberyn. Mr. Siddig is more the sage, diplomatic player.
    I also second, third and fourth the idea of Arianne traveling to KL with her uncle, it will make for a more dynamic arc in future seasons to show their close relationship.
    My top three candidates for Oberyn Martell are…
    1) The Deppmeister, he has all the necessary traits (what a coup it would be).

    2) Irrfan Khan, same as numero uno and would be nice to bring the 1.3 billion Bollywood fans into GoT, furthermore cast a talented beautiful Anglo-Indo UK actress (quite a good number of them) as Arianne to cement future Indian GoT fandom. HBO would love this idea $$.
    3) After watching DaVinci’s Demons, Paul Rhys has moved not only onto my list but in the show position. He performance of Vlad was outstanding and he exuded that Viper charisma and attitude in the role.

    Sidenote: The RV is in his forties and Doran a few years older.

    Arianne, should be selected from THIS LIST of Anglo-Indo actresses, as well as Ellaria (apparently a couple of ladies on this list have already been mentioned). My choices are Frida Pinto, Dilshad Vadsaria, Nazneen Contractor, Parminder Nagra, Aruna Shields (not necessarily in that order).

    Irfan Khan doesn’t seem like Doran to me. Maybe Aamir Khan who is way out of budget. I think Assaf Cohen looks like Doran! Otherwise I am on the Oded/Naveen/Siddig bandwagon.

    I always thought Anuskha Sharma would make a good Arianne. I agree with you though, lots of beautiful Indian women who should be chosen for Arianne. For Ellaria I’d like Emmanuelle Chriqui if not Padma Lakhsmi or Indira Varma.

  227. Harley Quinn
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    All I want in Game of Thrones casting universe is Alexander Siddig as The Red Viper.
    Since his role on Da Vince’s Demons is relatively small in appearance… And if scheduling permits.. It has to happen I won’t accept otherwise
    *insert sad whiny face here*

  228. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    She’s an Aussie. So it’s all good!

  229. Tar Kidho
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: I was not sure about The Fall at first (it felt a bit stylized to me), but it has won me over and now I think it is one of the best new dramas of the year!

    I only started watching it yesterday, and watched up to the latest episode back-to-back to overcome this GoT-less week :-) I quite like it, although I’m not sure yet about Gillian Anderson’s character. They quite obviously went for a Forbrydelsen/Homeland-style female lead, but in my opinion there’s much less “meat” to Stella Gibson than there was to Lund or Carrie. A good watch nonetheless.

  230. PatD
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Game of Thrones, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire , Sherlock, The Borgias and Justified are my favorite dramas on air.

    Not a big fan of BE or The Borgias, but I’m with you on all the others.

    And don’t forget Orphan Black! That show is crazy-good.

  231. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Slight spoiler: Gillian Anderson is why I mentioned the X Files in regards to Hannibal. So there’s something to look forward to!
    The Fall is next on my list. I am a huge GA fan and was actually able to meet her at the Ottawa Comic Con two weekends ago. She signed my copy of Bleak House! She was quite surprised that it wasn’t an X Files DVD or poster! She hated (facetiously) the picture of her on the book cover though: “What the hell! Is that a production still or something? I didn’t even knew this tie in existed!” She’s a cool chick.

  232. Yaden
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, they need to not cast any white British actors for the Red Viper, or any of he main characters of Dorne. Yes same of the Sand Snakes are white because of their mothers, but most Dornish are darker skin – Think Arabian. Only one part of Dorne is prevelant with everyone being whiter, they discuss that in the books. But Sunspeare and the Water Gardens are where most of the Dornish are from and they are darker skinned – they are not white. I hope they stay true to that with casting and find some good POC actors to bring these characters to the big screen.

  233. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Tar Kidho,

    Agreed on GA’s role. It at times can come off as very internalized. That in itself is not a bad thing whatsoever, but with a short season of 5 episodes it is much harder to really get into internalized characters unlike with Fobrydelsen’s Lund or even Bron/ Broen/ The Bridge’s Saga Noren who both had seasons of more than 12 episodes.

    Oh and if you have not seen Bron/ Broen (the original Danish/Swedish version of the upcoming FX network’s The Bridge and Sky Atlantic’s The Tunnel) I highly recommend it! Each of the three series should be fairly unique unto themselves and different enough to be enjoyable if watched relatively close together.

    I would like to see Kim Bodnia from Bron on Game of Thrones somewhere…. just not sure where…. And I think he is very busy making Danish language films/shows anyway..

  234. Joey
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    red viper = Rodrigo Santoro

  235. Lisa
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Nan,

    Hells yes!

  236. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    I’ve noticed GoT has a penchant for casting accomplished Shakespearean actors (Stannis, Varys) and actors from popular Ch4 series (Missandei, Gendry, Theon’s torturing bastard). David Threlfall fits nicely into both categories so maybe him for Mace (in spite of not being exactly the right body type).

  237. Modiglian
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    My friend says:

    Charlize Theron 2003: Oh! they managed to make her up as ugly!

    Sandra Bullock 2009: just-wtf!

    Your Oscar-makes-actor-good theory destroyed in 20 seconds.

    Seriously, if dragging feet and faking a raspy voice makes a good actor, my buttocks can do better.

  238. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Yaden:
    Seriously, they need to not cast any white British actors for the Red Viper, or any of he main characters of Dorne. Yes same of the Sand Snakes are white because of their mothers, but most Dornish are darker skin – Think Arabian. Only one part of Dorne is prevelant with everyone being whiter, they discuss that in the books. But Sunspeare and the Water Gardens are where most of the Dornish are from and they are darker skinned – they are not white. I hope they stay true to that with casting and find some good POC actors to bring these characters to the big screen.

    They are a mix of Andals and Rhoynish (Iberians and Berber Norther Africans). So any mediterranean actor would be adequate (white or olive skined)…

    I for one hope they cast some northern african/middle eastern, to diferentiate from the rest and make it less confusing.

    PS: Certainly NOT a latino…a latino is a mix of a white european with a native american (from Central/South America), wich is not what the Dornishman are :S

  239. Leo
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Meereen is also another location with a lot of characters and I don’t think they can just shove them all into Hizdahr zo Loraq. They will probably cast the city’s near entirety for S4, since Meereen will be around for 1-3 seasons.

  240. Red Helm
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    bon:
    Red Helm,

    He looks like Mace, but his english is so bad, that they won’t hire him.

    Never heard him speak english, but I kinda expected that. It would be cool to see some of my fellow countryman on GoT.

  241. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t read all of the posts, so I don’t know if this has been mentioned regarding how GRRM imagined the Martells to look, but I thought I’d pass it along. GRRM told the actress Janina Gavankar that she looked like how he envisioned Arianne Martell. Here is what she looks like:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=janina+gavankar&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pt6kUZGoAuGzyAHHtYC4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667

  242. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Yaden:
    Elundin,

    James wouldn’t work because Oberyn isn’t white. He has darker skin, hair, and eyes. I hope to god they don’t cast him as a white actor, there are too many great actors who are MOC who can play him and be awesome.

    I agree but there’s plenty of actors that have dark skin, hair and eyes and are white (all the northern mediterranean, spanish, italian, french etc…) White doesn’t mean “northern european white”…

    As I say, I’d cast a northern african or middle-eastern actor, but that doesnt mean a white mediterranean could do the job just as well…

  243. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    agreed.
    I think we ill at least get the Shavepate and Reznak mo Reznak. Oh and the Green Grace of course.

    I am quite intrigued to see how they handle Meereen. Not because I disliked the arc, but because I wonder how long she will remain there and when she will actually enter the city proper. Will they keep her outside the walls for a season? How will they change the storyline? I think we all agree Meereen will be tweaked some how.

  244. Suzaku
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Voting for Oded Fehr for the Red Viper, for now.

    I hope they get someone a bit exotic for the role, at least. I’ve always pictured the Dornish as looking a bit North African (Arab/Berber), and Dorne being a bit like Morocco.

  245. Lena
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Wow, exactly the face I pictured as Arianne as well and she’s part of HBO family so they’re most definitely considering her.

  246. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m okay with Alexander Siddig,Amr Waked, and Oded Fehr as the Red Viper. If not one of them then I have faith in Nina to find a great actor who fits the role and how he is described in the books. Just please cast Middle Eastern,North African, or Indian actors as the Martells.

  247. Lena
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Oh, Fehr again…

    He’s mediocre at best, the reason people think of him as Oberyn is because we all saw him in the Mummy.

  248. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Ok…I’m confused about the Magnar switcheroo. In the books, the Magnar led the wilding party and Jon up the wall, while in the HBO series Tormund Giantsbane leads the wildlings up and over the wall. This leads to a conundrum that I will not spoil for the Unsullied. Since the Magnar dies in the books on the south side of the wall, who is the Magnar in HBO’s GoT? Is it just a switch in roles with book Tormund or will the TV Magnar be the leader of the Thenn who suddenly appears to help Mance? As you recall, the new Magnar of Thenn in the books is Styr’s son, Sigorn.

    Did I miss something here? Any Sullied thoughts?

  249. Lena
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    They wouldn’t cast white actors for Martells even if they wanted so don’t worry)

  250. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Basically, there will be no battle at Castle Black from the South this season. Mance will send the Magnar and his Thenns over the Wall to regroup with Tormund and his crew at the start of next season. At least that’s how I took the leaked audition tape for Styr.

  251. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews (Lost, Sinbad) as Red Viper.

  252. Streetad
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    How about Timothy Spall for Mace? He’s around the right age, he’s got the character down to a T, and seriously – just look at the picture on his Wikipedia page…

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TimothySpallFeb2011.jpg

  253. Olenna's Chamberpot
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    I thought Ellaria would be definitely cut, cause she isn’t really needed. But I’m super glad we’re getting her. Aljali Jay should play her
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1420538/

  254. fuelpagan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    IMHO that still starts the ball rolling too early. They might get away with it by having Arianne form and execute her plot on the way back to Dorne from Kings Landing. A scene with Oakheart to establish a love interest had already been started. You lose the idea that Arianne started this relationship as part of a plot, but could still work. But this leaves wide open in the show why she would do this before seeing her father’s reaction.
    Once she arrives back in Dorne after sneaking away, Doran must act. It’s too big a risk to let her have the freedom to roam after having snuck away like that.

    I just see no need to push up her introduction this way. If anything the show tries to find ways to delay introducing new characters like they did with the Reeds.

    If they skip the whole plot to try and queen Myrcella, you could condense the story and have Doran lock up Arianne for sneaking away. Personally I find holding off and showing the frustration of Arianne at Doran’s inaction more interesting than having her sneak into KL as a background character.

    Just causes more problems and solves little.

  255. MoonCoffee
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    I’d prefer a Middle Eastern or dark Spanish actor as Oberyn, but even if they go for a white British dude I don’t want it to be Purefoy. Oberyn is older than Ned and Robert; Purefoy (and Said Taghmaoui, for that matter) looks too young.

    Nazanin Boniadi as Ellaria or Taena.

  256. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: This sentence makes me cringe. Ellaria is Oberyn’s significant other. She is the voice of common sense, the contrast to his fiery opinions. She cannot simply be replaced by some “random KL whore.” Casting Ellaria will be good because it will provide an opportunity to have scenes with Oberyn that weren’t in the book- we can see Oberyn and Ellaria discussing things behind the scenes. While having a threeway, since that would be typical of the show. :)

    In a perfect world I would definitely agree. Ellaria is an awesome character, as were countless more that didn’t make the cut in previous seasons (the Brave Companions and many awesome bannermen such as the Greatjon come to mind). This is far from a perfect world. This show has an immense budget but a TV budget nonetheless. There is also the huge problem of screen time and the general sense that the show overcrowded, which non book readers struggle with every episode. I would be very happy if Ellaria is cast but I will hope its not at the expense of a more important character.

  257. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Watching Longmire’s Season 2 premiere and seeing Noam Jenkins.
    http://img.filmous.com/static/people/8226/photo.jpg
    He has a very nice look for the Red Viper IMO… although he may be a few years too young.

    And for those ready to spit out he cannot play the role because he is white. he is Canadian with Welsh and Tunisian ancestry from his parents. Personally I think that Northern African Berber ethnicity is just about perfect for the Martells….

  258. Symen Belmore
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Euron
    Victarion
    Damphair

  259. Joey
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: I haven’t read all of the posts, so I don’t know if this has been mentioned regarding how GRRM imagined the Martells to look, but I thought I’d pass it along. GRRM told the actress Janina Gavankar that she looked like how he envisioned Arianne Martell. Here is what she looks like:https://www.google.com/search?q=janina+gavankar&safe=off&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pt6kUZGoAuGzyAHHtYC4Aw&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=667

    Hell yes. Shiva herself. That is Arianne Martell

  260. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: In a perfect world I would definitely agree. Ellaria is an awesome character, as were countless more that didn’t make the cut in previous seasons (the Brave Companions and many awesome bannermen such as the Greatjon come to mind). This is far from a perfect world. This show has an immense budget but a TV budget nonetheless. There is also the huge problem of screen time and the general sense that the show overcrowded, which non book readers struggle with every episode. I would be very happy if Ellaria is cast but I will hope its not at the expense of a more important character.

    They haven’t shied away from casting important parts based on the budget. Most of the eliminated characters are minor at best, adding a bit of spice here and there from the sidelines – the most significant relationships have been kept. (I mean, we all love Strong Belwas, but he’s a big fat guy who talks in third person and takes a dump in the middle of a field. We can survive without this.)

    With all this in mind, is Aishwarya Rai too beautiful for the part of Ellaria Sand? Does she work? Is her age (39) about right if the part of Oberyn is indeed played by a man in his early 50s (Temura Morrison pls!!!).

  261. Petearys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Purefoy died on his Fox show, The Following, and it wasn’t really left open that he could have survived at all, so I say he’s most likely available and D&D/Nina should get on that and do some ass kissing on behalf of HBO ( re Rome cancellation) and sign him up! Oberyn is so similar to Marc Antony in some respects it’ll be a completely badass / perfect role.

    And I really didn’t find Ian Whyte so bad as the mountain for all of the 10 seconds of screen time he had. Conan is great, but Ian def isn’t be at all, he’d work out fine I think.

  262. fuelpagan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Personally I’d rather hold off on Purefoy until we need Jon Connington.

  263. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m not a Purefoy fan, but I could see him as Euron Greyjoy, but that is it. He is too white and way too similar to the rest of Westeros to play the Red Viper.

  264. Nimic
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get why people wouldn’t want Purefoy for his previous comments. I think it’s perfectly fine for him to feel disappointed in the cancelling of his big time show, and I think we can overlook some lashing out comments regarding why he thinks it was cancelled.

    If he was cast for Game of Thrones, I would absolutely love it.

  265. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I wouldn’t worry so much about skin tone and stuff like that as far as the Dornish go. I hear what you’re saying but I’m pretty sure GRRM references them as having very diverse skin tone and features…

    In this aspect they remind me of Dominicans, because some Doninicans can be more white then Caucasians and some can be darker then Africans.

    James Purefoy really has the attitude and cocky aggressiveness coupled with wit and intelligence that the person who plays The Red Viper has to personify.

    I am open to others but he would be my dreamcast Red Viper. D&D can really go all out and get a name like that considering the limited commitment that would come with the role.

    Who ever D&D get, he better be a big name Hollywood badass…

  266. Helen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    RED VIPER!!!!!! I am so looking forward to this. And I hope the Martell’s look suitably ethnic.

    http://tiny-tran.blogspot.ca/2013/05/crystal-clay-game-of-thrones-part-4.html

  267. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Sorry, but skin tone is important for the Martells. They are direct descendants from the Rhoynish and are described as having darker skin tones. Purefoy not only is white, but he is more suited to play a Northerner who is descended from the First Men.

  268. mariamb18
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I’m not a Purefoy fan, but I could see him as Euron Greyjoy, but that is it.He is too white and way too similar to the rest of Westeros to play the Red Viper.

    I’m not a Purefoy fan either, especially after watching him on “The Following.” I agree that, of all the characters, he would be best-suited for Euron. However, he wouldn’t be my first choice for anyone.

    Oded Fehr has the right look for Oberyn, IMO. Of course, that doesn’t mean that he is the right actor for the role.

  269. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    Fehr is who I envisioned while reading, but I have mellowed a bit on him being cast. I’m in the Alexander Siddig camp now, with Amr Waked being my second choice.

  270. jonathan eigen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews would be perfect, at least as I imagined Dorne in the books.

  271. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    If we’re getting technical, aristocrats are likely to have much less Rhoynar blood than the Dornish commoners. Many Andal houses must have married into the Martell family. Tywin almost had Cersei marry Oberyn, and their children would have been Dornish regardless of the fact their mother was a golden-haired Lannister. That must have happened a lot over the generations.

    For what it’s worth, I do think Purefoy is wrong for the role; he is too big and too pale.

  272. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: They haven’t shied away from casting important parts based on the budget. Most of the eliminated characters are minor at best, adding a bit of spice here and there from the sidelines – the most significant relationships have been kept. (I mean, we all love Strong Belwas, but he’s a big fat guy who talks in third person and takes a dump in the middle of a field. We can survive without this.)

    With all this in mind, is Aishwarya Rai too beautiful for the part of Ellaria Sand? Does she work? Is her age (39) about right if the part of Oberyn is indeed played by a man in his early 50s (Temura Morrison pls!!!).

    But she IS a minor character. And the deeper we get into the story, the more characters there will be and the harder it will get to cast new ones. So a sacrifice today may save them in the future, when they have to cast the Greyjoys, the main Dorne cast, countless new North characters, a few people for Bran’s arc, a few more for Arya and Sansa and of course Young Griff and his posse. It becomes very complicated, and some characters will have to be either cut or merged, and honestly Ellaria Sand doesn’t make much impact on the story. Ergo she’s not as necessary as the other characters, however nice she may be.

  273. mariamb18
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sidding is getting a lot of support among GOT fans. Is he still on “DaVinci’s Demons”? Amr Waked is a good choice. I’m not familiar with him but he has the right look.

    In addition to having darker skin tone, the Red Viper needs to be convincingly agile and charismatic. This is the casting announcement that I have been looking forward to for two years.

  274. Jentario
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Petearys:
    Purefoy died on his Fox show, The Following, and it wasn’t really left open that he could have survived at all, so I say he’s most likely available and D&D/Nina should get on that and do some ass kissing on behalf of HBO ( re Rome cancellation) and sign him up! Oberyn is so similar to Marc Antony in some respects it’ll be a completely badass / perfect role.

    And I really didn’t find Ian Whyte so bad as the mountain for all of the 10 seconds of screen time he had. Conan is great, but Ian def isn’t be at all, he’d work out fine I think.

    He is so wrong for the role. Even if we can put aside his comments on GOT being a Rome ripoff I don’t think it would work. We need someone with darker skin.

  275. AngryRosFan
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    I think Manu is gorgeous but maybe a little too “Hollywood” Pretty… I always imagined the Red Viper as more rugged – at least in my headcanon – lol. But I love the idea of using Pacific Islanders or perhaps Maori New Zealanders (with a nice Kiwi accent).

    How about Antonio Te Maioha for the Red Viper, Cliff Curtis for Doran Martell and Shavaughn Ruakere for Arianne?

  276. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    They can have him put tanning lotion on…

    Skin tone is not really an issue here IMO. I just want a Red Viper that has aggressive and witty attitude.

    Fix The Mountain and get a big name badass for the Red Viper and ill be happy. If needed they can darking his skin and features.

    I understand what you all are saying about the Dornish racial features and completely agree. But I think some Hollywood makeup can fix it up easy…

    Also, call me a superficial male sexest pig, but I hope the Dornish women (Arianne), are played by some curvy, sexy and provocatively dressed Latinas or Arabs or Indians (something dark and beautiful).

    I am in total agreement with you on that. The Martell women need to be non-white. The men, who cares you can fix the men with makeup. But you can’t fix a women’s curves with makeup… So the female Martells better be non-white…

  277. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Wow. You continue to fascinate me with your opinions. For such a man’s man who is uncomfortable with the gay stuff you sure do have a ton of man crushes, specifically towards ‘badass macho warrior types’.

  278. WinterRose
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    While reading the books, my brain for some reason glued Oded Fehr’s face on Oberyn’s, so to get him on the show would be too damn good to be true. I’m not even counting with that, seriously.

  279. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    AngryRosFan:
    Rhys,

    I think Manu is gorgeous but maybe a little too “Hollywood”Pretty… I always imagined the Red Viper as more rugged– at least in my headcanon – lol.But I love the idea of using Pacific Islandersor perhaps Maori New Zealanders (with a nice Kiwi accent).

    How about Antonio Te Maioha for the Red Viper, Cliff Curtis for Doran Martell and Shavaughn Ruakere for Arianne?

    I wasn’t actually suggesting Manu Bennett himself, just pointing out his accent and skintone would work quite well. If GoT ever wants to make up for the male nudity shortage, though, well, I wouldn’t complain with Manu.

    I was never overly impressed with Te Maioha on Spartacus (but if Nina Gold is sold then I’m sold) and I think Cliff Curtis is probably slightly too young for Doran.

    Personally, I’d love to see Cliff Simon as Oberyn and Polly Walker as Ellaria. Both are brilliant with characters with an eccentric personalities and I can just imagine their on-screen chemistry would be remarkable. They could have lots of fun with that next season.

  280. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    A Year ago, a comment like that (basically a personal attack), would have baited me into an argument with the poster…

    But now-a-days it doesn’t bother me at all.

    You can post what you want about me. I will stick to thread topics.

    James Purefoy would be the best Red Viper, IMO. Darken his skin a little, use makeup to give him some Dornish features. I’ll repeat, his skin tone is a nonissue IMO.

    Notice, I use “IMO”, I am not suggestion my opinion is more valid then anyone else’s. This is a site where we all express our opinions.

    Good times, I enjoy your posts… Think what you want about me. No worries.

  281. Calimie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Elundin,

    Was that the whitest guy you could think of?

  282. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    The Red Viper is such an interesting role to cast for those reasons.
    He has to be believable as an infamous lothario, a hedonist into men and women. He also needs to be believable as a dangerous mercenary who people fear and respect. And he must be charismatic, sharp witted and sharp-tongued.

    May actors seem to be believable as either dangerous or charismatic in the way needed for the role, but finding an actor who is quick and agile, both mentally and physically is more challenging. Especially knowing that the pivotal fight scenes requires experienced combat skills etc..

    I think Purefoy’s Marc Antony fits most of the traits needed for the role, but I’m not sure he is right either. I’m not against a lighter skin toned Martell personally though….

    Cliff Simon seems to have most of the traits too, and a acrobatics/ gymnastics athletic background that may lend itself to the fight scene.

    Likewise for Khaled Nabawy who is the perfect age, the prefect look, and has martial arts and gymnastics in his background, but who knows to what skill level. Resumes can be quite misleading! XD

    I think to some degree assuming an actor needs to have past roles that are similar or certain skill for the role is maybe over-thinking it a bit too much… They are actors after all…

    It’s just so easy to look at past roles and form opinions! XD
    I’m just glad the role is being cat honestly.
    Trust in Nina Gold.

  283. Calimie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    ted stark,

    Naveen Andrews would be an absolutly perfect Oberyn.

  284. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Nimic:
    I don’t get why people wouldn’t want Purefoy for his previous comments. I think it’s perfectly fine for him to feel disappointed in the cancelling of his big time show, and I think we can overlook some lashing out comments regarding why he thinks it was cancelled.

    If he was cast for Game of Thrones, I would absolutely love it.

    On the other hand, there is this tendency for just about every casting thread on WIC to turn into a Purefoy love-fest, and it’s all a bit much.

  285. Calimie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Wait. So the Red Viper can be some random white guy in brownface but his niece has to be some hot latina actress?

    Wow. You really need to think about what you’re saying.

  286. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Calimie,

    Oh I’ve thought about it.

    You need to read the reasons why I don’t think the women can just have makeup on to make them look exotic. Women are more complicated then men, as far as visual features are concerned.

    It’s okay though if you don’t understand and/or agree with my POV. I’m not here to argue, just here to state what my thoughts are.

  287. Calimie
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Reverse Nielsen,

    Actually, when you look at the history of the houses, most seem to marry within their own “kingdom”. Dorne would have married within itself and also, it wouldn’t be so mistrusted if they’d had further contact with the rest of nobles.
    IMO, the only not-Dorne marriage they had was the Targaryen one and this very last one with Norvos.
    This whole Lannister + Martell and Stark + Tully is a very recent thing.

  288. JB
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    I would love to see Mark Strong in role of Doran Martell. He would be perfect.

  289. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    GRRM did not say that she looked like Arianne, he said she looked like Nymeria Sand. Arianne needs to be a sexy curvy woman, I always imagined her looking like Monica Bellucci http://us.cdn002.fansshare.com/photos/monicabellucci/monica-bellucci-hot-wallpaper-1836212043.jpg

  290. Joey
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Jessica parker Kennedy or Monica Ramond for lady Nym.

  291. King DBC
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    WOW, best news in a long time!

    Oberyn is a favorite, his casting should be good. I’m hoping that considering it will be a short term commitment, we could get a big name like Antonio Banderas…

    Ellaria! Didn’t expect to actually get her. Definitely Indira Varma.

    I think Arrianne will be in KL too, so hopefully Janina Gavankar or Aiysha Hart -> http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTU3NzEzNDc1Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDk0NzE2NQ@@._V1._SX640_SY875_.jpg

    Mace, Brendan Gleeson mos def!

  292. onehungrypotter
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    i don’t care who they cast, as long as they are not white

  293. darrylzero
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    I think that would be great. Or he could have just killed Willas. Either way would be good I think.

  294. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Please god let Oded Fehr play The Red Viper !

  295. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    King DBC,

    Agreed on Aiysha Hart!
    I think she could make a good Arianne or Nymeria!
    I have her on my casting list for Nymeria, but I think she would be quite good for Arianne as well honestly.

  296. Phalange
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    So it’s OK for you to demean gay people, say that women need to be super-hot and sexy to be casted on the show, and prefer that white actors wearing blackface get cast, but when someone else calls you on your bullshit that gets classified as a “personal attack”?

    Alright dude.

  297. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Oded Fehr belongs/(ed) on the covery of cheesy romance novels, not in Game of Thrones. I get it. The Mummy franchise was going strong when the third book was released, but that doesn’t make the dude a good actor.

  298. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Performance is more important than appearance. They need to focus on getting some great actors for Oberyn and Arianne and build a show canon in Martell appearance from there. Just as long as they don’t cast someone Nordic looking they can pick just about anybody. I do sort of like the idea of casting Bollywood actors even though I picture them as Middle Eastern in the books.

    I’ve always pictured Adam Baldwin as Victarion. I know it isn’t going to happen, but I can’t imagine anybody else in the role yet.

    Nobody has talked about casting Taena Merryweather yet. Anyone have thoughts? Natalie Mendoza (the Descent) or Gina Bellman (coupling) would be great.

  299. sunspear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    I never doubted we would get the Red Viper! Here’s some casting ideas:

    RV: Naveen Andrews. Not a comment on his acting skills, but he definitely has the look down. Alternatively, they could get the guy from the Old Spice ‘The man your man could smell like’ ads.

    Mace Tyrell: Ricky Gervais. He’s the right age, has tons of experience working with HBO, and nobody in the audience will be able to take him seriously.

    Penny: Honestly, they just need to put a dwarf in a helmet they can leave her out until Season 5.

    Euron Greyjoy: Viggo Mortensen. Might be a little old, but with makeup he would work. Honestly, I don’t get why everyone wants Mads Mikkelson for Euron. He’s too……calm to play a crazy wizard pirate. Euron needs to bleed charisma.

  300. socrates k
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    So after Oded Fehr ,we now have the big star version of the cheesy Red Viper, Antonio Banderas..WHY ON EARTH would you want that ?It needs acting chops this role,otherwise it can backfire and become really cliche and campy,so Idris Elba is a good choice ,Alexander Siddig could work, but i don’t know, the part requires some physicality as well,i’m not familliar with Purefoy ,judging from the pictures is a different approach ,more greek -italian mediterranean look(in the same vibe there’s also Dominic West ).I won’t even consider Havier Bardem , it would be the most awsome thing on the world but he’s not just A well known actor, he’s a household name at this point ,but still how awsome would that be?Anyway no Oded Fehr ,Naveen Andrews,Antonio Banderas or Christopher Lambert(that’s clearly a joke don’t get any ideas..)As for the mountain… CGI!

  301. beyza
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    i want to see dorne and the sand snakes!

  302. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I hear you about certain actors just sticking in your mind for some roles!
    For Victarion I kept seeing Live Schreiber!

    I would never expect him to be cast for the role and hope Ray Stevenson is cast, but When I read the books my Victarion inevitably looks a bit like Liev! XD

  303. sunspear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Hannibal has A-list acting, stunning visuals, and mostly great writing (though it has had it’s share of ‘spent so much time making it look good they forgot to have it make sense’ moments). That said, if the reason you gave up was because you got sick of the ‘Artsy’ shots, I can assure you it’s only gotten worse.

    I’m with you on Vikings. Great battles, mediocre acting except for Lagertha, and pretty bad writing.

  304. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    sunspear:

    Penny: Honestly, they just need to put a dwarf in a helmet they can leave her out until Season 5.

    I’m 95% certain that Penny will be cut completely. And I certainly hope she is.

  305. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    I can’t imagine cutting Penny, she’s in a lot of ADWD, and she is significant to Tyrion’s character development.

  306. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Ricky Gervais as Mace Tyrell is one of the best and funniest suggestions I’ve heard so far! And there is the precedent of Paul *Strutter* Kaye! He is great as Thoros; one of my favourites additions this season. Love it!

  307. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    I never understood all the love for the Red Viper. I always considered him a pussy for using poison. Everyone knows that only women use poison.

  308. Neosantana
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Hopefully Hannibal will be cancelled (considering how terrible it was) which will free up Mads Mikkelsen to be Euron Crows’eye.

    Hannibal… Terrible…
    OK, you’ve lost me with that.

  309. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    I guess that’s one silver lining about Peter not reading the books he doesn’t know about his fate with Penny……..MANIACAL LAUGH……..MANIACAL LAUGH……..MANIACAL LAUGH

  310. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Stevenson & McKidd will never appear on Thrones. They bought remain pissed that Rome was cancelled and consider Thrones a rip off. Not my words, just what ive read in a few interviews

  311. socrates k
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Having mentioned Idris Elba as a great choice,how about Michael Kenneth Williams?He would be BADASS as Oberyn as the red viper and Omar have a lot in common when it comes to attitude,don’t you think?

  312. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    GTFO Hannibal is great and it’s giving Mads a lot of well deserved exposure.

  313. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    JR: I never understood all the love for the Red Viper. I always considered him a pussy for using poison. Everyone knows that only women use poison.

    Vaginas can take a lot more punishment than male genitals, what with childbirth and all, so I would reconsider using “pussy” as an insult. And men most certainly do use poison.

  314. Ser Lemon Cakes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Loving all the Hannibal appreciation here, now you Americans have to watch it live (though its pretty much certain to be picked up by cable if not NBC).

    Topic: I see Viki Mc Clure of This is England fame as Val. Amazing actress, beautiful and great at portraying toughness.

  315. Hi-Fi
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    I now wonder if they’ll cast Daemon Sand. He’s the Red Viper square in King’s Landing, he’s the one who warns Nymeria Sand about her father’s fate and he later becomes Arianne’s sworn shield. He’s also supposedly Oberyn’s lover. Considering the show is aired on HBO… ; )

  316. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    I am glad Mace is getting cast for season 4 but I hope they also bring in Randyll Tarly.

    For Mace and Randyll I’d love to see Robbie Coltrane and Brian Coxx.

  317. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Pussy in this context means cowardly. Using poison as an instrument of death has historically been the most popular way for women to kill. I’m sure more than a few men have used poison but a man using poison to kill is not honorable especially in the world of Westeros. The Red Vipers fights in tourneys using poison which why I consider him a Pussy. Could you imagine Ned Stark or Sir Barristan Selmy using poison?

  318. Easteros bunny
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Yay for the red viper!

    The others are expendable.

  319. sunspear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Noooooo, I like Penny.

    Summer Is Coming,
    Thanks for the appreciation!

    JR,
    The Red Viper ‘used poison’ delivered at the business end of an eight foot long spear.

  320. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    JR,

    “You don’t fight with honor!”

    “No.” (Points down, to the moon door.) “He did.”

  321. medievalmuse
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I remember Rudolf Martin from a movie called “Dracula: The Dark Prince” in which he portrayed Vlad the Impaler. He has a wiry physique and dangerous edge that would be perfect for the Red Viper.

  322. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Apparently “Behind the Candelabra” was watched by many people:
    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/28/behind-the-candelabra-ratings-dazzle/

  323. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    JR: Ours is the Fury,

    Pussy in this context means cowardly.

    No, in this particular context, it’s a way of referring to female genitalia in a negative fashion. If you mean cowardly, say “cowardly.”

  324. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I can’t imagine cutting Penny, she’s in a lot of ADWD, and she is significant to Tyrion’s character development.

    He’s significant for Tyrion’s redemption. But Tyrion will have nothing to redeem in the show. They’re not going to be able to replicate Tyrion’s internal hate for Cersei on screen and threaten to rape her and all the misogynistic crap he comes out with. Penny is only useful so far as her relationship to Dark Tyrion goes and I just don’t see Dark Tyrion playing a part in the show at all. Not to mention, having dwarfs joust off of pigs in a book is one thing, but they just can’t do it in a show. They just can’t. In the books it’s the characters mocking them, in the show it’s the writers and audience mocking them. This is just one example where the mediums will clash too strongly.

  325. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming:
    Apparently “Behind the Candelabra” was watched by many people:
    http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/05/28/behind-the-candelabra-ratings-dazzle/

    Can someone please explain to me why EW says that Thrones had last year 2.1 million viewers for Blackwater, when it had 3.3 million in the first showing?

    They mentioned Game Change – the Sarah Palin movie, not the Game Of Thrones episode.

  326. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    They introduced the golden chain necklace Tyrion gifted to Shae this season for a reason. He’s still going to kill her and his father next season and go through a serious dark time. And I don’t look at it as “redemption” necessarily. Penny is a wake-up call in a lot of ways, she helps him realize that for all the bad shit Tyrion has had to deal with, he also had a lot of privileges, living as a Lannister.

  327. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Viper = Pussy

    If you are offended, so be it…

  328. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky,

    Oh, sorry :))) I just saw the word “Game” and I freaked out! I’m such a geek… :))) Anyway, GoT (and ep 9) would have suffered a bit if it aired last weekend.

  329. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    JR,

    I think she’s more bothered by the manner in which you’re using the word more than your opinion on the character.

  330. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t he fat now? No thanks Arthur.

    Arthur:
    James Purefoy would be the most badass Red Viper!

    I don’t care what he said about GoT in some tabloid media outlet. GoT is a big critically acclaimed show, if D&D approached him with this role offer and communicated it wouldn’t be a long commitment he would do it. Any actor would, it’s freaking GoT!

    I loved his badass soldiers soldier role as Mark Anthony in ROME. He could pull off the Red Viper’s persona so easily with his snarky, barley restrained, ready to snap witty anger.

    Would love to see Mr. Purefoy as The Red Viper but I doubt D&D will get him…

    Also, please tell me they are getting Conan Stevens back! The season 2 Mountain would totally wreck the Red Viper storyline IMO.

  331. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I agree with all of that. The inclusion of Chekhov’s Necklace was interesting. But I still don’t think they will be able to replicate the dark place Tyrion goes without his inner thoughts. That’s why this season’s Jon arc just hasn’t felt right, I think. They needed to spend so much more time with him so they could reveal his inner struggle, but just have had too much else to do. Similarly, I just can’t see the Tyrion and Penny relationship working on screen. I don’t know about anyone else, but I would find watching Peter Dinklage and another dwarf doing what Tyrion and Penny had to do in ADwD really difficult to watch. But I guess GoT hasn’t shied away from that sort of thing in the past.

    JR,

    He’s a snake, not a cat.

  332. B
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Quowala,

    Lol.

  333. Ashara D
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Purefoy, Stevenson, McKidd, et al, need to learn not to sh*t where they eat. None of them should be cast in any HBO production ever again. Be disappointed in your show being cancelled, but don’t diss someone else’s. If you don’t like it, produce your own show!

    Have to agree that the Dornish need a darker look. I would NOT like to see “blackface” (can’t really believe someone would suggest this in 2013). There are plenty of actors and actresses out there that fit the look. I love the use of actors from different countries so far (not all Americans have trouble understanding accents, as someone above said). Begin soapbox/ Having said that, however, I’d like to see the same courtesy extended to American actors. I know there is some sort of law to protect British actors, but it seems a little unfair that American-born actors (many of color) are excluded, Mr. Dinklage excepted. /End soapbox. Anyway, I trust the team (Ms Gold, et al) to unearth some great actors regardless of origin.

    Please keep Darkstar! I want to know more about the Daynes!!

  334. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    James Purefoy is in perfect condition but he’s not the right choice for The Red Viper, James would make a far better Crows Eye.

  335. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Are you offended by that, Fury? You love a book/show with fratricide, infanticide and every other cide there is, but somebody uses the term pussy (which in no way was intended to offend you) and yet, it offends you?

    Ggrrrrr… I never understood the feigned outrage over things that are not meant to offend. There are plenty of things people say and do that are done specifically to offend, why would you waste your time getting worked up over something that is done/said that is NOT meant to offend you? (shrug) Just wondering.

    Ours is the Fury: Vaginas can take a lot more punishment than male genitals, what with childbirth and all, so I would reconsider using “pussy” as an insult. And men most certainly do use poison.

  336. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: No, in this particular context, it’s a way of referring to female genitalia in a negative fashion.If you mean cowardly, say “cowardly.”

    Pussy
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pussy is an English word meaning:
    – Cat
    – As vulgar slang, the vulva or vagina
    Pejoratively, a coward or weakling as an insult in general
    – In the Somalian language, it is also referred to as Waiz.

    Weakness

    The meaning “weak or cowardly person” has a separate etymology. Websters 1913 Revised Unabridged Dictionary lists this version of pussy as an alternate spelling of “pursy”, an otherwise obsolete English word meaning “fat and short-breathed; fat, short, and thick;

    The word pussy can also be used in a derogatory sense to refer to a male who is not considered sufficiently masculine (see Gender role). When used in this sense, it carries the implication of being easily fatigued, weak or cowardly.

  337. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    I think you’re right Swearengen, I believe I was thinking of someone else. I stand corrected.

    Al Swearengen:
    Ed,

    James Purefoy is in perfect condition but he’s not the right choice for The Red Viper, James would make a far better Crows Eye.

  338. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    fuelpagan:
    Personally I’d rather hold off on Purefoy until we need Jon Connington.

    No, no, that’s Kevin McKidd’s role ;)

  339. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Ed:
    Are you offended by that, Fury?You love a book/show with fratricide, infanticide and every other cide there is, but somebody uses the term pussy (which in no way was intended to offend you) and yet, it offends you?

    Way to miss the point. It’s not the intent that is offensive but the perpetuation of a negative sexist stereotype.

  340. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Thanks Ed. I’m so sick of people being offended by everything.

  341. KG
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Ed:
    Are you offended by that, Fury?You love a book/show with fratricide, infanticide and every other cide there is, but somebody uses the term pussy (which in no way was intended to offend you) and yet, it offends you?

    Ggrrrrr… I never understood the feigned outrage over things that are not meant to offend.There are plenty of things people say and do that are done specifically to offend, why would you waste your time getting worked up over something that is done/said that is NOT meant to offend you?(shrug)Just wondering.

    And you forgot the rape, incest, rape, perversion, and rape.

    And thanks for trying, Fury – but I can defend the integrity of my nethers all by myself. I don’t need an Internet White Knight running around waving his Banner of PC.

  342. JR
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    It’s not a negative stereotype. Guys will always rag on other guys and sometimes use the word pussy. I don’t know any man or women who have ever been offended by it. Now, if I was using the C word, then I guess that would be different.

  343. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Rhys: Way to miss the point. It’s not the intent that is offensive but the perpetuation of a negative sexist stereotype.

    Except is not, because as I pointed before the meaning “weak or cowardly person” has a separate etymology

  344. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Ed: Are you offended by that, Fury? You love a book/show with fratricide, infanticide and every other cide there is, but somebody uses the term pussy (which in no way was intended to offend you) and yet, it offends you?

    Ggrrrrr… I never understood the feigned outrage over things that are not meant to offend. There are plenty of things people say and do that are done specifically to offend, why would you waste your time getting worked up over something that is done/said that is NOT meant to offend you? (shrug) Just wondering.

    Funny, I don’t think I’m the one worked up here. Just pointing out that using the term “pussy” to imply weakness or negativity is a bit silly, and that he might want to simply say “cowardly” if “cowardly” is what he means. Yes, it is a sexist term, and I am not going to pretend it isn’t a sexist use of the word pussy just because I like Game of Thrones.

    Being able to watch a TV show that has child death and zombies does not change the fact that I don’t like misogynist language. I can deal with it on the show when it has a context and a purpose, and it suits a certain setting. But randomly insulting a character by calling him a word for vagina doesn’t have much purpose.
    And I’m not going to ignore it. So I politely pointed out what I didn’t like about it. There is nothing “feigned” about my feelings on the matter.

  345. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    On the whole issue of Purefoy and McKidd trashing GOT didn’t we find out Purefoy was joking ? I remember one of the moderators/creators of this site tweeted James and he said he shouldn’t apologize for joking, or something along the lines of that.

    I am pretty sure if Purefoy’s agent heard him insulting GOT he/she would whack him over the head with a copy of ADWD.

  346. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    KG: And thanks for trying, Fury – but I can defend the integrity of my nethers all by myself. I don’t need an Internet White Knight running around waving his Banner of PC

    His….?

  347. KG
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Rhys: Way to miss the point. It’s not the intent that is offensive but the perpetuation of a negative sexist stereotype.

    Oh please. Spare me your condescending “sexist” nonsense. It’s a word. Words have no power unless you give it to them.

    Or as I read somewhere once, “Words are wind.”

  348. Pau Soriano
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Funny, I don’t think I’m the one worked up here. Just pointing out that using the term “pussy” to imply weakness or negativity is a bit silly, and that he might want to simply say “cowardly” if “cowardly” is what he means. Yes, it is a sexist term

    Except is not…

    (Websters 1913 Revised Unabridged Dictionary lists this version of pussy as an alternate spelling of “pursy”, an otherwise obsolete English word meaning “fat and short-breathed; fat, short, and thick; swelled with pampering …”[1)

  349. mina
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Sendhil Ramamurthy would be a lovely addition to the cast, and he’s 39 now, so he could be the Red Viper (and add some much needed color to this cast). He certainly looks like a prince, and has the right physique for the part.

    I also would love it if we could get some more curvaceous women in leading roles. All these skinny shrews are harshing my GoT buzz. That said, I think Morena Baccarin would make a gorgeous Ellaria (maybe too pretty canon wise? but that hasn’t stopped them from making other similar casting choices, so…)

  350. KG
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: His….?

    Oh, her is it? Ok fine. Quit embarrassing our gender by crying over niggling insults.

    I don’t see you freaking out over the ninety “cunt”s (a truly offensive term) that arrive with every new episode. Or is it only OK when the Most Holy Writers use the term?

  351. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    JR,

    Honestly, this doesn’t hold up for me. I’m a guy, and have friends who call each other “pussy”, and it makes me fucking rage. Mostly because it’s when a friend is doing something like, I don’t know, actually expressing the way they feel. There’s the fact that it has the connotations it does, but a lot of people don’t even think about that. If I hear “stop being a pussy” in a connotation like “you’re not being man enough or “you’re being like a girl (as if that’s a bad thing), I get pissed off.

  352. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    But you can’t fix a women’s curves with makeup… So the female Martells better be non-white…

    Ummm, there are PLENTY of curvy white women out there. Geez…….But I don’t think typical northern European Caucasian actors are right for most of the Dorne parts regardless of gender.

  353. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Meow. I kinda want a bag of popcorn now ;-)

  354. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb:
    JR,

    Honestly, this doesn’t hold up for me. I’m a guy, and have friends who call each other “pussy”, and it makes me fucking rage. Mostly because it’s when a friend is doing something like, I don’t know, actually expressing the way they feel. There’s the fact that it has the connotations it does, but a lot of people don’t even think about that. If I hear “stop being a pussy” in a connotation like “you’re not being man enough or “you’re being like a girl (as if that’s a bad thing), I get pissed off.

    Yeah, exactly. Separate etymology or not, the two uses are engrained enough to parallel. You wouldn’t call a woman a cock or a dick as an insult to her femininity.

    on “cunt”,

    I actually have no problem with cunt. I don’t see how it has any negative connotation except for the fact that it “just does”, you know. It’s not implying anything negative the way pussy is. But maybe that’s my Australianness (and therefore love of the word cunt) shining through.

  355. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Actually I do have a problem with the excessive use of the word cunt on the show. I think a small amount of use is acceptable because Westeros is a very coarse sexist environment, and it’s believable to me that they would use misogynist language. But on the other hand, GoT has used “cunt” more than GRRM ever used it in the books, so it’s become a crutch. I do have a different set of expectations for a fictional environment, but GoT is sorta pushing it. That said, I’m alright with women wanting to ‘take back’ the word in a humorous or empowering way (I’ve done it myself on occasion) and I hated that people drove Cogman from Twitter over it when he didn’t even write the dialogue that was about Yara saying “cunt.”

    You may not find gendered or genital-based insults a problem. I do, and I am a woman. And I am my own white knight, thanks. :)
    I think as long as people discuss the issue without being disrespectful, it can be an interesting conversation.

  356. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews for the Red Viper, AKA The Inigo Montoya of Westeros. LOVE him.

  357. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb:
    JR,

    Honestly, this doesn’t hold up for me. I’m a guy, and have friends who call each other “pussy”, and it makes me fucking rage. Mostly because it’s when a friend is doing something like, I don’t know, actually expressing the way they feel. There’s the fact that it has the connotations it does, but a lot of people don’t even think about that. If I hear “stop being a pussy” in a connotation like “you’re not being man enough or “you’re being like a girl (as if that’s a bad thing), I get pissed off.

    Seriously? Huh.

    That’s uh, interesting.

  358. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    On the whole issue of Purefoy and McKidd trashing GOT didn’t we find out Purefoy was joking ? I remember one of the moderators/creators of this site tweeted James and he said he shouldn’t apologize for joking, or something along the lines of that.

    I am pretty sure if Purefoy’s agent heard him insulting GOT he/she would whack him over the head with a copy of ADWD.

    Yes, he called it “light hearted banter” on Twitter. It’s on the original WiC post on the topic.

    He also told Collider in 2011:

    With your previous history with HBO, and a lot of your fans really hoping for it, would you ever consider doing a role on Game of Thrones?

    PUREFOY: If it was the right role on Game of Thrones, definitely. Of course! It’s a terrific series. It’s a great series of books. I love HBO. I’m on record saying that HBO is the best television company in the world, and I believe they are. I think they absolutely understand how to make television that is really, really vital and interesting and visceral, and all the things that television really should be. I’m a big fan of HBO.
    http://collider.com/james-purefoy-interview-ironclad-john-carter/

  359. Fire And Blood
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Wow, with all the discussion this post is getting, I can’t wait for our ethnicity-centric “The Importance of Dorne” post to go up later this week!

    (I know KG can’t wait for it either.)

  360. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Yes!! Now you’re talkin!

    mina:

    I also would love it if we could get some more curvaceous women in leading roles. All these skinny shrews are harshing my GoT buzz. That said, I think Morena Baccarin would make a gorgeous Ellaria

  361. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Live Schreiber is a great idea! Very intense, great physical presence and a very good actor. But, alas, probably not attainable.

  362. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    Thanks, I’m glad you find it so! I guess it’s the kind of thing where, whether or not it is offensive depends on your experience. I know too many guys who have had that word thrown at them in a negative light. Though it may not bother some people, I do think it’s interesting and enlightening to hear why it might bother some, rather than just dismissing it outright.

  363. Fire And Blood
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of KG (let’s make this all about KG)…

    I do sort of love the fact that, back in the day, she got irritated when no one knew she was a she…

    … and only just now realized Fury (a moderator who’s been with us for over a year now) is also a she. I kind of wish there was a greater word than irony. Like “irony plus.”

  364. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    I have a huge suspicion that Aeron will be cut, I think Victarion and Euron can carry that story on their own. Sucks that I do love Aeron in the book (the product of abuse leading to vices and self-destruction than turning to intense religious fanatacism is super interesting, I wish there was more time in the books to go into this), but I doubt they could do all that justice with the time alotted in show.

    I’m stoked for Dorne. Seeing how they adapt them all on screen is going to be great.

  365. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Oh please. Spare me your condescending “sexist” nonsense. It’s a word. Words have no power unless you give it to them.

    That’s funny because the fields of sociology and psychology beg to differ. The use of labels and stigmatization within a society has a profound affect on how other’s perceive us regardless of how much we might reject that particular label. The use of the term pussy is a sexist term. Period. Dot.

    Be as offensive as you want, I could care less. But I (and many others on here) have the right to call you out for it. Otherwise that kind of sexist bullshit gets perpetuated and people end up being blind to it, like you.

  366. Darquemode
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    I’m penciling in extra time on my schedule for that post! XD
    I bet it hits 400 comments!

    How many will be, “But he is white!” I wonder…..

  367. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Fire And Blood,

    Much more often I see people be called a dick. I am not offended.

  368. Lord Selwyn
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Mark Strong for Oberyn. Excellent actor, does ‘menacing’ extremely well, and very versatile in appearance.

  369. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb:
    I have a huge suspicion that Aeron will be cut, I think Victarion and Euron can carry that story on their own. Sucks that I do love Aeron in the book (the product of abuse leading to vices and self-destruction than turning to intense religious fanatacism is super interesting, I wish there was more time in the books to go into this), but I doubt they could do all that justice with the time alotted in show.

    I’m stoked for Dorne. Seeing how they adapt them all on screen is going to be great.

    You must be the only person I’ve seen who loves Aeron. I’ll be really glad if they cut him. There was a theory over on Westeros that Yara may take the place of Victarion which I think would be cool. If they included Victarion they would have to tone him down A LOT. Same with Aeron and Euron, probably.

  370. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I really don’t care, but I always thought of the Dornish as Mediterranean. Maybe Middle Eastern actually, but that is more of an Essos thing.

  371. Tereeza777
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    I still think Eric Bana for the Red Viper – he had a super sword fight scene in “Troy” and with his beard grown in he has a darker look –
    and what about singer/actor Eduardo Verastegui for the Crow’s Eye – he kind of has the perfect look –
    http://mediamass.net/jdd/public/documents/celebrities/4929.jpg
    http://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/eduardo-verastegui.jpg?w=500

  372. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Oh yeah, I should be clear, I’d be glad if they cut him too, even though I like him, I don’t think he’d work in the show.

    Victarion, yeah they might have to tone him down, though I’m not sure how Yara would work replacing him as I don’t see her sailing across the sea to marry Daenerys. Who knows what the show will do though. That guy who posted a list of potential characters for Season 4 seems to be on the right track so far, so I’m hoping he’s right and Victarion is in, even though yeah, as a character he’s a little extreme.

  373. Rhys
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe:
    Fire And Blood,

    Much more often I see people be called a dick. I am not offended.

    More often than people being called a pussy, you mean?

    That’s not the same. Dick, like most “swear words” just means unpleasant or unlikeable. Pussy is not an extreme swear word like “fuck” or “cunt,” but has the potential to be more offensive due to the fact that it is implying that harbouring certain sexual organs makes one inferior in some way. The same way saying “you’re such a girl” to a man (or even a woman) acting in an effeminate manner would be offensive because it makes the assumption that being a girl is to have obvious negative traits, usually “cowardice” or “fatigue”.

  374. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Bernard:
    WildSeed,

    Brendan Gleeson would truly own Randall Tarley’s role. It’s a long term commitment ,
    but filmed at his home turf and the intervals needn’t be time consuming .

    Starz’s contracts are considered extremely actor friendly which is why they often get film actors with relative ease. If a ‘better’ opportunity comes along, they do their best to work with the actor’s new schedule

    Thanks for the info……..fingers crossed then, and hoping Mr Siddig’s agent
    has interested him in the role.
    Magnar of Thenn,

  375. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I doubt if someone referred to a character as a dick there would be any of this politically correct nonsense going on.

  376. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    It is just more of the insistence on political correctness that bothers me. I feel like, if I look at it that way it may even be offensive, but it doesn’t matter. People need to grow a thicker skin. It doesn’t effect you, or me, or anyone really. Real discrimination I hate, but words are only offensive because you think that way.

    “pussy” being used in an offhanded sense isn’t meant to offend anyone. I’ve heard women use it thousands of times. The person intends no offense at all.

    If you need to search for something to be offended over, you are pretty lucky.

  377. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    I totally agree with you on the connotations involved with saying pussy, but I don’t know if you can seperate “dick” from being the same thing. The negative connotations attributted to “being a girl” like cowardice, weakness that you mentioned, got attributed to a slang term for weakness (or vice versa, a term meaning these things became slang for a woman’s genitals). But dick is the same. To be rude, or obnoxious, that became synomymous with a slang term for male genitals. The brutish lack of caring “being a dick” describes is a stereotype of men, just the same as “being a pussy”. So I think it’s unfair to say dick doesn’t have those connotations. Maybe the only difference is that there’s a percentage of ridiculous people in the world who think “being a dick” is a good thing, while you don’t see many people copping to “being a pussy”.

  378. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Only women and minorities are allowed to be offended.

  379. JamesL
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,
    “That’s not the same. Dick, like most “swear words” just means unpleasant or unlikeable.”
    According to your logic then that means all of us men should be very offended by the term.
    Using the male genitalia to describe someone as unpleasant or unlikable therefore linking masculinity to being unpleasant or unlikeable.

  380. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    Ain’t true. I’m a white male and I’m offended by the term in most contexts. I guess my question is, when is a situation where you say it offensively? What is a context where it’s not intended to be demoralizing against someone else? I’ve just personally never seen someone else call another person a pussy without malice.

  381. Zack
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    The big takeaway from news of RV’s confirmation for me is that ultimately we’re going to see Dorne, in some fashion, on HBO’s Game of Thrones. They’re not going to introduce a Dornish character thirsting for revenge for atrocities done at the close of Robert’s Rebellion, who perishes before his plan has been fully executed, and then not explore that further in season 5. It would make no sense.

    I hope we see fewer of those “Mark my words, Dorne will be excised from the show” remarks.

  382. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Exactly. That is the male stereotype involved, and it’s just as ridiculous as the female version.

  383. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Pussy is a legitimate slang term for coward. Like it or loathe it, it is not sexist in any way. People who think that it is are ignorant of the word’s meaning.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pussy
    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pussy

  384. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb,

    You can be offended for a woman or minority. That is the exception. I’m just listing the rules of liberalism here.

  385. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I’m sorry- are you using the dictionary to try and claim that use of a word isn’t offensive? Because there’s a whole bunch of other words I can look up in those links that are extremely offensive and taboo.

    And yeah, it is sexist.

  386. Mike Chair
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    So, I’m back after being without internet. Airport card went. Got new MacBook Pro out of the deal! I had to pay for it, though — old MacBook was oooold. Now, I’m all 2.7 GHz, Intel Core i7 and a Retina display.

    And what do I find here?! An argument about … male genitalia. I used to work with a guy named Dick. We would say, “hey Dick, suck my Richard!” He didn’t like that, but he was neither a woman nor a minority so I guess it was okay.

    It’s GoT withdrawal, people. What to do? The Aussie’s have it down. Here’s a Brisbane Times article: Survival guide: how to cope with Thrones withdrawal.

    My favorite is “Translate the lyrics of Never Gonna Give You Up into Dothraki and start a new craze called Dothrick-rolling.”

  387. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Haven’t we just shown you the entomology is completely different?

  388. Tereeza777
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I was disappointed to see Tom Wlaschiha(Jaqen) cast in a broadcast TV pilot. I was hoping he would return in S4 or 5 and Jaqen would take the role of the Kindly Man.

    JamesL,
    Are you talking about “Crossing Lines” with William Fichtner, Donald Sutherland, etc.? I think they have finished shooting that one and Tom/Jaqen’s Facebook page says he is currently doing GoT readings and book signings in and around Stuttgart, Germany. Totally totally hope he will return too. Fingers crossed! Jaqen is still the man!

  389. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    As an aside: even if ‘pussy’ was an offensive term in this sentence, which it is not, one should give thought to the wider context in which the word is stated. From JR’s post, it is clear that he meant no malice and that there was little venom in his comment. (Well, aside from the poison that Oberyn uses).

    In my eyes, swear words are only as bad as the context in which they are used. Which is why when the Hound says “fuck Kingsguard, fuck the city, fuck the King” we’re on his side.

  390. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    The etymology is completely different though, as has been demonstrated. That’s the key point in this discussion.

    Your getting angry is equivalent to someone getting angry about the word “niggardly” because they don’t realise it has nothing to do with the word “nigger”.

    EDIT: Of course, in some contexts ‘pussy’ is offensive. But in this particular case the context was such that it was inoffensive.

  391. Zack
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Well stated. Agreed. The word in itself is not sexist, but it is commonly used in sexist ways.

    For anyone confused about the link and which part is relevant:

    Definition of PUSSY

    slang
    : a weak or cowardly man or boy : wimp, sissy
    Origin of PUSSY

    short for pussycat
    First Known Use: circa 1942

    pussycat

  392. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Tyler Perry for The Red Viper!

    Come on, that would be amazing!!!

  393. Shmurb
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    But no, dude. I am offended for them, but also for all my straight, male friends who get called “pussy” because they don’t live up to ridiculous gender roles.

    For example, I had a friend the other night who confessed something that had been greatly troubling to him as a group, something that had been making him depressed, that he was struggling with telling us because he feared he might be judged. Indeed, one other guys advice to this problem included the phrases “man up, stop acting like a girl, stop being a pussy.” Yes, I was offended that my friend’s emotional distress was stereotypically attributed to being “like a girl” as if women are all just a bunch of emotional wrecks. But in addition, I was pissed off that he was told to “man up” to fulfill ridiculous expectations to not talk about or confront his problems, and that these phrases contribute actively to that. So it absolutely falls both ways, and can effect all people, and my reasons for disliking the term are more than one.

  394. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    I…I will do it. I will travel to Belfast to play the role of Oberyn Martell. Though I do not know the way

  395. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    What ever happened to the word ‘pussy’ referring to cats? Damn modern day slang ruining the definition of words, we have already lost the words queer and gay…

  396. socrates k
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    I…I will do it. I will travel to Belfast to play the role of Oberyn Martell. Though I do not know the way
    They are shooting King’s Landing in Croatia i think..it would be at least awkward.

  397. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    I AM NOT OFFENDED!!!

  398. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    KG,

    Actually I do have a problem with the excessive use of the word cunt on the show. I think a small amount of use is acceptable because Westeros is a very coarse sexist environment, and it’s believable to me that they would use misogynist language. But on the other hand, GoT has used “cunt” more than GRRM ever used it in the books, so it’s become a crutch. I do have a different set of expectations for a fictional environment, but GoT is sorta pushing it. That said, I’m alright with women wanting to ‘take back’ the word in a humorous or empowering way (I’ve done it myself on occasion) and I hated that people drove Cogman from Twitter over it when he didn’t even write the dialogue that was about Yara saying “cunt.”

    You may not find gendered or genital-based insults a problem. I do, and I am a woman. And I am my own white knight, thanks. :)
    I think as long as people discuss the issue without being disrespectful, it can be an interesting conversation.

    Thank you for reiterating these points. I also agree with your pragmatic POV for
    thoughtful and respectful discussion for any given subject.

    I recall those episodes with exaggerated usage of the c**t word and lent my voice
    to significant numbers offended by it. If the coin were flipped, I’d also find disdain
    for the d**k word, in relation to describing any male. It’s nothing more than a
    pejorative and should be acknowledged as such. There are far too many words
    better chosen during discussion. The books were written in a way to depict the
    characters in social and environmental lifestyles of the era . GRRM did this quite
    well with creative style that lent towards envisioning everything described.
    Sometimes less is more where onscreen versions take over.

  399. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    People don’t get offended on behalf of white men because white men are the most privileged group of people on the planet. Using sexist or racist language (even unintentionally) reaffirms the status of women or people of color as inferior in the eyes of society. It isn’t that any of us like to be thought of as victims.
    What exactly do white men have to be offended about? Being the richest or most powerful? Boo hoo!
    Not that white men are bad or anything. Just try to remember you are automatically advantaged.

  400. mina
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Please don’t feed the SJW’s. *eyeroll* I thought this was about Game of Thrones casting choices.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sjw

  401. Drfunk
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    A Year ago, a comment like that (basically a personal attack), would have baited me into an argument with the poster…

    But now-a-days it doesn’t bother me at all.

    You can post what you want about me. I will stick to thread topics.

    James Purefoy would be the best Red Viper, IMO. Darken his skin a little, use makeup to give him some Dornish features. I’ll repeat, his skin tone is a nonissue IMO.

    Notice, I use “IMO”, I am not suggestion my opinion is more valid then anyone else’s. This is a site where we all express our opinions.

    Good times, I enjoy your posts… Think what you want about me. No worries.

    You’re not alone Arthur, I agree Purefoy would make an excellent Viper. For the life of me I cannot understand the logic behind some of the people on this site. I consider myself a purist as it relays to the storyline and not about aesthetic details which can honestly be overlooked. So yes Dany not having purple eyes won’t have me flipping tables, but making a travesty out of Jon’s storyline up north with Quorin will. See the difference? The casting on this show has been phenomenal overall considering the amount of personnel involved. That doesn’t mean to say every casting is “perfect” for everyone. I can understand the shortening of characters/merging for budgetary reasons, but I get annoyed when I see stuff that was changed needlessly to make the character totally different from the ones in the book.

    The Red Viper is one of the most important character for season 4, his storyline will impact many seasons to come. I’d love to see an actor who exudes confidence, has a roguish charm but unlike Daario or even Bronn, has that fiery button that can send him into a burning rage when provoked. I know any decent actors could portray that “character”, after all this is their lively work. That said, the only reason I nominated Purefoy for the role ages ago is because he displayed the exact qualities of what makes the RV so awesome. He is the right age, he can be disarmingly charming, oozes confidence and above all can show his aggressive side when challenged.

    The fact he’s not dark skinned enough hasn’t even crossed my mind. Which is why I find this issue so baffling. People may claim this isn’t a race thing, but they’re making it a race thing. Instead of discrediting Purefoy or even promoting another based on their merits, this turned into “Who is dark enough to play him”. Don’t tell me the Dornish are “supposed” to be all non white. If you’ve actually read the books you’d know they are a pot pourri of Westeros. Kind of like NY city, you’ll find every racial demo represented in its people. That doesn’t make them ALL NON WHITE ok? Anyone with a bad sun burn could be passed off as Dornish as there are MANY kinds of Dornish.

    The Martells have been specifically mentioned as olive skinned, considering all the other 982934892 liberties the show has taken from the books, you’re all really going to make a fuss about this specific issue (skin tone)?

    I no longer care who they cast, Nina’s track record is amazing and I have faith she’ll pull through since it’s obvious she can see beyond a candidate’s skin colour.

  402. Coltaine777
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Going to be very interesting to see what race or races D/D cast as the Dornish..

  403. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Manu Bennett has the acting chops, the athleticism/muscle, and the look to play the Red Viper. He gets my vote

  404. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Ours is the Fury,

    What ever happened to the word ‘pussy’ referring to cats? Damn modern day slang ruining the definition of words, we have already lost the words queer and gay…

    Hmmm……….. who uses these terms ? Slang changes form with very generation
    or trend, but the real meaning lingers on. As long as you understand that principle,
    your tolerance for change remains in tact. I ‘m a happy and gay person with
    queer tastes and pussy willows do grow near my home. Nothing will change that.
    I do my best to ignore slang, it especially confuses if you speak more than one
    language. There’s too many rules enough as it is. Comprende ? for schizzle ?

  405. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    As a browny (no, not the chocolate and double no, not the girl guides), I am naturally predisposed to seeing someone with a slight shade of any kind appearing on tv. We get so few tv role models, what with us being busy with our corner shops and studying to become doctors.

    But in all seriousness, I think the main thing is to get someone who can ACT. And I trust Nina Gold to spot that person. The looks are important too, but facial shape moreso than skin colour in my eyes. Of course, I would be thrilled to see a fellow brown person in the role but I won’t complain if whoever they feel is most suitable turns out to be white. Not until I see their acting anyway.

  406. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    He’d make a handsome Oberyn, but can he act the part, with fierce bravado ?

  407. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Drfunk,

    I think Purefoy is not that great and has been mediocre in everything but ‘Rome’. He was laughably bad in ‘Camelot’. The show can do much better and still stay true to the books and not whitewashing the show any further. BTW, I am white, so this isn’t a race thing with me. I just want the show to represent the vast world Martin created. This includes a noble family from Westeros that is darker skinned.

  408. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Are we seriously discussing the word “Pussy”?

  409. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    The casting so far for many of the parts in GoT have been unpredictable and some choices are pretty “left field”. For all we know, they may just cast an unknown for the role of Red Viper. And in line with their international (well, pan-european, at least) casting, I’m guessing he may be an actor with Mediterranean background, possibly Iberian seeing there are shared ancestry in Southern Europe with North Africa and the Turks. Whoever they cast as Red Viper, I’m almost certain it wont be someone fans expected, or maybe even heard of.

  410. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    He played Crixus in Spartacus so I think he has the Bravado down. But whoever we get I trust them to do an awesome job

  411. Reverse Nielsen
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Calimie,

    You’re right, the alliances between Great Houses are a recent development. However, in Westeros it is common for families to intermarry after disputes, and the Dornish have always quarreled with the Marcher Lords and the Reachmen. The Martell family tree isn’t particularly detailed, unfortunately, but I’m quite convinced most of the Dornish houses have at least some Andal blood. By the way, the “stony Dornishmen” that inhabit the Red Mountains are actually descended from the First Men. Even if the Dornish only marry within the region there are plenty of white people around. Ethnically speaking, Dorne is a very interesting kingdom. Too bad that probably won’t be reflected on the show.

  412. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Ours is the Fury,

    The etymology is completely different though, as has been demonstrated. That’s the key point in this discussion.

    Your getting angry is equivalent to someone getting angry about the word “niggardly” because they don’t realise it has nothing to do with the word “nigger”.

    EDIT: Of course, in some contexts ‘pussy’ is offensive. But in this particular case the context was such that it was inoffensive.

    It’s noted in the deep south, US Southern States, that the root term of this n* word
    you used, was principle for it’s use there, and often mispronounced. The definition
    of miserable person applied. So yes, the word would be perceives as offensive
    and racist. For many, whom this offensive word was used for, their designation
    has changed countless times, and still not merit whom they are as Americans.
    Many ” non whites ” from other countries are referred to the same btw, something
    about not being able to distinguish ( typical excuse for using racist pejoratives ).

    To some extent, there is ill will on either side of the proper use spectrum and this
    gets tedious to monitor. Best to learn true words and appropriate usage , and stick
    to that ( unless you’re a teenager disguising words for code ). Grownups should
    speak plainly.

  413. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Just thinking…according to book canon, Oberyn is olive skinned. This corresponds more to mediterranean caucasian or light middle eastern skin tones. So Naveen Andrews (and my own) skin colour is as far away from that description as a white person’s skin colour is. It’s for that reason that I honestly thought of Oberyn as a white-tanned guy when reading the books.

    That said, I don’t like getting into this whole debate too much because I don’t have particularly strong feelings about it.

    @Wildseed: I shall use language however I choose. I read a lot as a kid and so knew the word ‘niggardly’. I don’t see any reason why I can’t use it in its proper context. I would not, however, use it to fan the flames of an argument, as that would be pointless.

  414. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Ah…, I looked him up too. And I agree, a professional actor specifically chosen
    for the part should do fine. There are so contenders that many of here may not be
    aware of too.

  415. tysnow
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Olenna’s Dietician,

    I tend to disagree with the thinking that Oberyn will be an unknown or small supporting actor few recognize. The role is way too juicy, meaty and charismatic to hand off to an unrecognizable name. Furthermore it is a perfect guest starring spot 6-7 episodes), usually allocated to named stars. I smell guest supporting Emmy nomination for the actor honored with the coveted role.

  416. Josla
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    We seriously need CONAN STEVENS back as the Mountain. Please make it happen HBO.

    I would not mind having Odeh Fehr as Oberyn…. he’s so handsome <3

  417. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    That’s my thought… This is D&Ds one big chance to get another Sean Beanish big name actor for the Red Viper role…

    I really hope D&D make it count… You’d think with the success and recognition GoT has received D&D would have done great choices.

  418. Tabes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Purefoy is the Red Viper, figure it out HBO!!!!!

  419. sunspear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    I…I will do it. I will travel to Belfast to play the role of Oberyn Martell. Though I do not know the way

    You have my bow!

  420. spacechampion
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    The Martells are descended from First Men and Andals.

    From the asoiaf wiki, regarding the “stony Dornishmen” — “They have the most Andal and First Men blood and mostly resemble the other people of the Seven Kingdoms in look, customs and traditions. They are brown-haired or blond with faces that are freckled or burned by the sun.”

    The Rhoynish are olive skinned, “sandy” and “salty” Dornishmen. “Sandy” are dark brown in the deserts; “salty” are lighter brown / olive skinned along the coasts and up the Broken Arm into the Stepstones.

    I don’t care what colour the Martells are cast, as long as the Sand Snakes are a nice variety of skin-tones (Oberyn liked variety!). But anyone complaining if the high-born Dornish are cast white doesn’t have the books on their side. Anyone complaining if they are cast darker (as if it matters) maybe are just being ridiculously pedantic. It is an opportunity to cast darker to allow more variety into the show, but it’s not HBO’s mission to provide that opportunity. I’m not going to get upset over whatever decision they make, as long as they give anyone of any skin-tone a fair shot at being cast.

    They may choose to emphasize that the Dornish are quite different from other Westerosi. If they use a darker skin colour primarily to denote that difference… I would have a problem with that. If they use cultural differences like food, clothing, sexuality, politics, history and social norms (as in the books), with characters that just happen to be darker toned that other Westerosi because of their historical origins, then that is not something I would have a problem with.

  421. sunspear
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Thank you for reiterating these points. I also agree with your pragmatic POV for
    thoughtful and respectful discussion for any given subject.

    I recall those episodes with exaggerated usage of the c**tword and lent my voice to significant numbers offended by it. If the coin were flipped, I’d also find disdain for the d**k word, in relation to describing any male. It’s nothing more than a pejorative and should be acknowledged as such. There are far too many words better chosen during discussion. The books were written in a way to depict the characters in social and environmental lifestyles of the era . GRRM did this quite well with creative style that lent towards envisioning everything described.
    Sometimes less is more where onscreen versions take over.

    I’m pretty sure they use the word c*nt on the show because the words ‘vagina’ or ‘pussy’ have not been invented yet. This is the same reason you don’t here people tossing around words like ‘scrotum’ much in medieval literature.

  422. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    I beg to differ… Varys knows the term “scrotum”, just ask him!

  423. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    sunspear: I’m pretty sure they use the word c*nt on the show because the words ‘vagina’ or ‘pussy’ have not been invented yet.

    Can I also point out, as a “half-American” (I’m an Australian with one American parent), that the word “c*nt” is significantly less offensive in the UK, Australia, NZ etc than it is in the US. The way certain characters (Theon springs to mind) use it is totally normal in British slang English.

    I mean, it’s not a nice word for us either, but it’s not the kind of thing to go ballistic at your TV over.

    Americans often seem like complete prudes to the rest of the English speaking world…!

  424. Matt
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Oded Fehr, Naveen Andrews or Alexander Siddig for RED VIPER! And who ever isn’t chosen, cast them as other Dornish characters!

  425. Turncloak
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Yes but who can they cast with the pedigree of Sean Bean that can pull off the character Viggo Mortenson comes to mind. I’ve always imagined him as Ser Arthur Dayne, the sword of the morning.

  426. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    The Martells are sandy Dornishman who trace their roots to the Rhoynar.

  427. Joe Bowers
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    GerB40:
    Has anyone considered Idris Elba as The Red Viper? He certainly has the range to play a Martell.

    I am a fan of having all the Martells played by black actors.

  428. Peele
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Naveen Andrews as Red Viper!

  429. Dani
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m so torn on Oberyn. Naveen Andrews has the build I think of for him but he’s got those puppy dog eyes that make him look so sad and Oberyn should NEVER look sad. Alexander Siddig is fantastic and can definitely pull off Oberyns intensity but I’ve never seen him be really physical (maybe he was in Kingdom of Heaven, I don’t remember) Which brings me to Oded Fehr who I love on Covert Affairs so I guess he’d be kind of the best of both worlds for me. He oozes confidence and he’s totally believable as a super Mossad agent. Another that might be good is Cliff Curtis. When they get around to casting Doran I am hoping they’ll get Alfred Molina. He would be brilliant! I’ve never thought much about Styr but I always envisioned his son as Til Schweiger from King Arthur.

  430. Arthur
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    It will be very interesting to see what route D&D choose to go in regards to the Red Viper.

    They can choose the exciting big Hollywood name route. This would cost them a bit more but the cost would be cashed in tenfold with the buzz it’ll generate with the free publicity and excitement a big name would bring to the show. If D&D get someone like Eric Bana (played Hector in Troy), that would generate huge buzz.

    Or D&D can get an unknown, maybe the unknown will end up being completely awesome and cost efficient. But the unknown wouldn’t generate excitement and buzz.

    Because of this, I think the Red Viper is the most important character that will be cast in season 4. I hope D&D go the big name route and make it as an exciting offseason as possible.

    Also, like I said before, they really need to fix the Mountain for the payoff to be as awesome as it can be… I hope Conan Stevens left on good terms and didn’t burn any bridges so he can return in season 4.

  431. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming:
    The Red Viper was 100% in. There was no doubt about that. He is an important part in the KL plot and a device in the introduction (historical) of Aegon when he will appear in S5. My pick: Cliff Simon.

    Mace Tyrell is a welcome surprise! It is interesting how in every season a new Tyrell appears… like a weed they surround the Red Keep, not like a rose. I was hoping for this character not to be cut, for so many reasons. I can’t wait to see the hilarious interactions between Mace and Olenna! It will be a blast! My picks: Robie Coltrane or Brendan Gleeson.

    Ellaria – If this is true… I don’t know… It’s not a very important character. I would go with Arianne coming to KL instead. But my bet is that Ellaria will be involved in a Oberyn-Cersei plot. Maybe Tywin will make Cersei marry Oberyn, when Loras will join the KG. And Ellaria will be there to shake things up a bit. My pick: Indira Varma.

    EDIT: Oh, and yes! Conan Stevens back as the Montain! Is totally imperative!He must come back! He must!

    Either of the Mace suggestions would be genius!!! I could see Eric Bana as the Viper, if they can’t get an Arab/Israeli actor. With him being of Balkan descent, he’s ethnic enough to fit in with the Middle Eastern look

  432. Tabes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Ian McShane as anyone!!!! Euron maybe?

  433. spacechampion
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    spacechampion,
    The Martells are sandy Dornishman who trace their roots to the Rhoynar.

    The wiki I saw said they are stony Dornishmen. But the most reliable reference I’ve seen said they are salty, definitely not the sandy Dornishmen.

  434. Tabes
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    James Gandolfini as Mace Tyrell.

  435. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    Yeah, my mistake. The Martells are salty Dornishman. Tyrion even comments on Oberyn definately being a salty Dornishman in the books too.

  436. Baramos
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    I can’t respect Purefoy as much as I used to after watching his absolutely hilarious hackery on that TV show with Kevin Bacon where he’s a serial killer.

    And they will never cast a white guy as Oberyn. How in the world could you justify casting a white guy for one of the few legitimately non-white major players in the world of Game of Thrones when there are so many talented actors who are not white who could do it? If they took a chance on flack from hardcore fans by casting a black man for Xaro Xhoan Daxos (who in the books is actually like, described as super-white), it shows they want to have a more diverse cast. They are not going to make the mistake of casting a white man for Oberyn Martell.

  437. Chickenduck
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    GatorfischI could see Eric Bana as the Viper, if they can’t get an Arab/Israeli actor.With him being of Balkan descent, he’s ethnic enough to fit in with the Middle Eastern look

    Eric Bana could be alright as an actor, but regarding looking “ethnic”, I’ve always thought of him as pretty white. He’s half Croatian, half German (real surname is Banadinović).

    Also, I can’t shake my memories of him being in Australian sketch comedy in the 90s before he made it to Hollywood… Don’t get me wrong, he can act, I just always still picture him as Poida!

    This is Poida for those who aren’t Australian (or if you’re an Aussie who’s too young to remember it): http://youtu.be/NqFcdz4gGKA

  438. Ed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Wow!!! THAT would be awesome!!!

    Turncloak:
    Manu Bennett has the acting chops, the athleticism/muscle, and the look to play the Red Viper. He gets my vote

  439. Ser Hound
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:43 pm | Permalink

    Demian Bichir for the Red Viper!!!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demi%C3%A1n_Bichir

  440. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Well, the role of Arya went to a newcomer in Maisie William, and Gwendoline Christie is relatively unknown prior to being cast as Brienne. Even Ed Skrein can be argued as kind of new, at least to international viewers. All of them play important juicy roles and have proven that casting unknowns/newcomers do work, adding freshness to the cast. As for Emmy guest nominations, Dame Diana Rigg has that secured for them, I’m fairly sure.

  441. WildSeed
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Joe Bowers,

    Unless you jest……….

    Elba would perform superb Oberyn role, he has the fierceness and physique. I
    would not get my hopes up for him accepting a Cable broadcast assignment,
    I hope I’m wrong about that. I support the notion that the GoT broadcast
    may serve up a nice twist with the Martells portrayed by people of African
    or Arab descent. Xharo Daxos was poorly defined in a oddly described
    city of Qarth. Grey Worm has shallow presence for now, but next
    season he and Missandei’s roles may evolve a bit more, if they aren’t
    killed off for no apparent reason ( like Irri and Jhogo )
    .

  442. Ser Hound
    Posted May 28, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Olenna’s Dietician,

    I agree. In fact, a lot of times I feel like the most memorable performances come from “unknowns”. Like Christoph Waltz in Inglourious Basterds. Most of the world had no idea who he was before that. After all, you have to start somewhere. There are so many great actors out there that just haven’t been able to (or wanted to) break into mainstream Hollywood.

  443. WildSeed
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Can I also point out, as a “half-American” (I’m an Australian with one American parent), that the word “c*nt” is significantly less offensive in the UK, Australia, NZ etc than it is in the US.The way certain characters (Theon springs to mind) use it is totally normal in British slang English.

    I mean, it’s not a nice word for us either, but it’s not the kind of thing to go ballistic at your TV over.

    Americans often seem like complete prudes to the rest of the English speaking world…!

    ” less offensive ” doesn’t equate to Not Offensive. I hear your point, but it makes
    sense to accept when someone, any people, speak up and wish a word or phrase
    be known as offensive. It’s really that simple. No matter where you go in this world,
    there’s always an unintentional ignorance ( or arrogance), best to gain insight
    and become wiser by it. BTW, my sister cringes when she hears someone say ” sheila”
    over there because that’s her name, not a description ( easy mistake tho ).

  444. Darquemode
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Personally I think “Olive skinned with black hair” can be many ethnicities,”white” included.

    There is no way to definitively rule out Caucasian as a fit for Oberyn based on the book descriptions. So many Mediterranean (French, Spanish, Italian, Baltic, North African etc) people fit the description as well as Arab, Indian, Persian etc..

    Frankly, with so many skin tones in Dorne the only two that really “need” to be similar are Doran and Oberyn since they are from the same parents. Even they can vary greatly honestly, but for viewer’s sake making them somewhat similar in appearance is more logical than making them too dissimilar. The rest of the “Martells” can be lighter or darker….

    Ellaria has Norvos parentage, and can be lighter… Arriane, Quentyn and Trystane (if he makes the series) can be lighter as well due to their mother being from Norvos as well. The Sand Snakes can be lighter and darker according to their various mothers.

    Personally I find The Red Viper’s skin color to be the least important aspect of his casting…. by far. The man has his nickname in part to his use of poison, but also because of his appearance and attitude. Viper-like eyes, thin arched eyebrows, angular features, a sharp wit and tongue, and a volatile, fiery personality that makes him ready to strike at any time. Those traits should be in the fore front when casting the role and his skin color should be way down the line in my opinion.

  445. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Ser Hound,

    Not to mention how much cheaper it would be for HBO compared to an established name!

  446. WildSeed
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor: the word ‘niggardly’. I don’t see any reason why I can’t use it in its proper context

    Hmmmmm…………….. and what Context would that be ? Careful now ,
    I’m aware of a few often spoken words of the deep south also . I wouldn’t
    use them here or the Context they are often used in . Just say’n *>*

  447. WildSeed
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    We’ve listed here in past Cast threads, many names of worthy actors. It’s becoming
    increasingly frustrating when those names become actors not likely to perform
    in a Cable production, especially for major roles. However Oberyn Martell’s
    role may only last for a episode or two, but a high profile one.
    Brendan Gleeson would make a fine Randall Tarley, but I’m certain there is
    available talent I’m not aware of.

  448. Kelly
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Dorne could go the Mediterranean/Latino or the Indian/Arab actors route. If they decided to go with the first option, the ones that came to mind for Ellaria were Asia Argento or Monica Bellucci. Indira Varma would be a good choice with the second option.

  449. Chickenduck
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: Hmmmmm……………..and what Context would that be ? Carefulnow,
    I’m aware of a few often spoken words of the deep south also . I wouldn’t
    use them here or the Context they are often used in . Just say’n *>*

    “Niggardly” has nothing to do with the n-word, it only coincidentally sounds similar. It means “stingy”. It’s actually related to “niggling”, as in “a niggling injury” or “the niggling details”.

    Although no one’s actually used “niggardly” in about 200 years.

  450. Chickenduck
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: ” less offensive ” doesn’t equate to Not Offensive. I hear your point, but it makes
    sense to accept when someone, any people, speak up and wish a word or phrase
    be known as offensive. It’s really that simple. No matter where you go in this world,
    there’s always an unintentional ignorance ( or arrogance), best to gain insight
    and become wiser by it.BTW, my sister cringes when she hears someone say ” sheila”
    over there because that’s her name, not a description ( easy mistake tho ).

    Sheila’s a name here too, it’s the Irish version of Cecilia (spelt Síle in Gaelic). Not common nowadays, but it used to be.

    To be honest, no one really says “sheila” for woman any more anyway, it’s like old Australian words like “bonzer” or “cobber” that died out with my grandfather’s generation.

  451. el
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Sendhil Ramamurthy for The Red Viper?

  452. zaprowsdower
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    KG,

    Ours is the Fury is certainly not the one embarrassing our gender in here.

  453. Streetad
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    JR,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Ed,

    Thanks Ed. I’m so sick of people being offended by everything.

    Have you tried, you know, not saying offensive things?

    Just a thought….

  454. Chickenduck
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    I’m not advocating for its greater use in media or anything, but while we’re discussing offensive terms, it’s kind of interesting the way some of the words are used cross-culturally.

    In the US, (as far as I’ve always understood) the c-bomb tends to be used towards females.

    In the UK, Australia etc. it’s almost exclusively used towards men.

    In French, the equivalent word “con” is relatively mild… It basically just means “idiot” and has lost most of its shock value.

    Russians seem to swear all the time (way more than ANY other language I’ve ever learnt), I’ve heard little old ladies aged over 80 drop their purse and say “F- your mother” without even flinching. They have a huge array of phrases based on pizda (the c-word) and khuy (dick).

    In German, the equivalent F•tze is very, very strong. If it’s used at all as an insult, it’s towards women, but it’s really bad. On a related note, German tourists often have a giggle about the “Friends of the Zoo” in Melbourne, who wear badges with the club’s initials on it.

    In Chinese, the equivalent is also pretty bad, but there are some weird pseudo-positive uses of it, such as 牛逼 (niubi) which is used as an exclamation to mean “awesome”, despite it literally meaning “cow’s c•nt”. Not that you should use it in polite company.

  455. JamesL
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 3:19 am | Permalink

    Ser Hound,

    I hate when people say we have to get someone with a “big name” for a certain role. Thats how we got stuck with Ciaran Hinds for Mance Ryder because they were desperate to get someone with a name but I’m sure there are actors who would have been much better choices for that role but are unknowns.

  456. Jentario
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh: No, no, that’s Kevin McKidd’s role ;)

    Holy s*** that’s exactly who I saw as Connington!

  457. Summer Is Coming
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:42 am | Permalink

    About the Dornishmen: You forget something… this the TV show we are talking about! There will NOT be Salty, Sandy and… the other kind of dornish. Just Dornish! why do you think Anguy was changed to be Stormlander, instead of Dornish? Because he is white; and would be confusing to explain who is who in the matter of skin colour in Dorne. Personally I would like to see a slight darker mediteraneean look for the Martells.

    Edit: And Idris Elba for Oberyn?? Yes, he is a great actor, and if Aegon didn’t existed I would have gone for it, but Oberyn is his uncle for crying out loud!!! I don’t get how you make such suggestions…

  458. Jentario
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming:
    About the Dornishmen: You forget something… this the TV show we are talking about! There will NOT be Salty, Sandy and… the other kind of dornish. Just Dornish! why do you think Anguy was changed to be Stormlander, instead of Dornish? Because he is white; and would be confusing to explain who is who in the matter of skin colour in Dorne. Personally I would like to see a slight darker mediteraneean look for the Martells.

    Edit: And Idris Elba for Oberyn?? Yes, he is a great actor, and if Aegon didn’t existed I would have gone for it, but Oberyn is his uncle for crying out loud!!! I don’t get how you make such suggestions…

    Agreed. They should just be super tan or things will begin getting weird. There is a lot of opportunity to cast black actors for roles in Dany’s storyline, but Dorne just isn’t it.

  459. LordDavos12
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    They don’t have to go out and grab some big name actor for the Viper to create buzz. This show already has a major hype train going for it (and for good reason) as it is. Someone that has never watched it before suddenly won’t change their mind if they see “Oh, the dude from the Following is in this show now?” GoT already has a massive audience. I for one hope they get someone I’ve never heard of, because Nina has been pretty damn amazing for the past three years and I’m completely confident in her casting choices.

  460. Kris
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    ted stark,

    ALL OF MY YES.

  461. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Red Viper:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Keanu_Reeves_2012.jpg

    let the hate begin :P. Honestly though, my vote goes to Manu Bennett. And I want Viggo Mortensen on the show at some point, I don’t care what role he is in, I just want him on there.

  462. Moon-and-Star
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming:

    Edit: And Idris Elba for Oberyn?? Yes, he is a great actor, and if Aegon didn’t existed I would have gone for it, but Oberyn is his uncle for crying out loud!!! I don’t get how you make such suggestions…

    I… don’t really see the problem here?
    If the Viper is black, then Elia is black and therefore Aegon is mixed. What’s the issue exactly? He literally just needs to have blond hair, no one’s ever mentioned his skin tone other than he takes after Rhaegar, but no one who’s only watching the show is gonna buy a lily white Aegon if they know his maternal family is not white, regardless of whether or not he’s actually the real deal.
    Same if they go the Indian or Pacific Islander or whichever route for the Martells, Aegon will always have to be mixed. So what’s the problem with Idris Elba specifically?

  463. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    You do realize that there are black and white-skinned people in the same families. It would be especially not-weird considering that Aegon’s father is a Targaryen who are very fair-skinned. He could easily take after Aerys 100% skin-wise rather than Elia. Plus, Oberyn is his uncle, not his father, so it’s really not an issue anyway.

  464. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:23 am | Permalink

    a bit off topic with all this fighting over some stupids words but imagine how cool it would be for Arianne to have conversations with Margery, Joffery and Sansa!

  465. Hounded
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    People on this thread should heed the words of Ricky Gervais.

    “Just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right.”

  466. Manny
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Ser Aerys Oakheart,

    I don’t know but you’ve spelt your own name wrong.

  467. mariamb18
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    Matt:
    I really am hoping we get to see the whole Martell clan this season, one way or another. We can meet up with Arianne and the crew in Dorne in the season premiere, as they prepare to send Oberyn and Ellaria off to KL. Then we can follow Ellaria back to Dorne during the last few episodes, and set up the family for Season 5.

    That’s what I am hoping for as well. It would also be a great way to see Myrcella again and remind viewers of her story line. I don’t think they can they leave Aimee Richardson out of S4 and expect anyone to care about her.

    Ser Aerys Oakheart:
    Does anyone think I will be cast? Was a such a fun storyline and an epic ending to my story.

    I hope that you are cast because I enjoyed your character…but you could easily go the way of Strong Belwas.

  468. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    If james purefoy were to be cast for any roll, i would actually prefer it to be crow’s eye instead of the red viper.

    I dont get why people keep saying that the red viper, and the rest of the dornishmen for that matter, have to be people of color, I don’t think it has to be narrowed down like that, the red viper can easily be white. The only dornishmen who would have a somewhat ‘middle eastern appearance (for lack of better word, are the ones with rhoynar blood, which is only a small percentige of dornes population, at the most a third. Tyrion explainsin one of the books that there are 3 types of dornishmen, the ones who live in the marches who are just plain white, the others who aremore Mediterranean looking, then the rhoynar

  469. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Jentario: Holy s*** that’s exactly who I saw as Connington!

    I would be unassailably overjoyed if McKidd played Connington. He can be so severe and haunted looking.

    People have been mentioning Manu Bennett. I love the guy, fantastic actor, though I can’t quite see him as Oberyn. I’m not sure he can play sly. I’ve always wanted him to get a role in the show though. I can see him leading an enemy Khalasaar, though that would probably be playing to type. Still, even if he played to type, he’d do it excellently.

  470. Red Viper
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I didn’t know that people in this world could only be either white or black. I personally saw the Martells as more middle-eastern or north indian in terms of skin tone.

  471. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    For Mace Tyrell, I don’t remember the actors name, but its the guy who played King Aella in Vikings, and Ludivoco Sforza from the Borgias, is it just me or was this guy born to play Mace Tyrell? To me he’s perfect

  472. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Bullshit, calling someone a pussy is sexist? are you serious? get real man

    Ours is the Fury:
    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I’m sorry- are you using the dictionary to try and claim that use of a word isn’t offensive? Because there’s a whole bunch of other words I can look up in those links that are extremely offensive and taboo.

    And yeah, it is sexist.

  473. Darquemode
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn,

    Ivan Kaye!

    I looked him up when I saw him in Vikings for that same reason! XD
    He is like John Rhys-Davies-lite! XD

    Would make a good Night’s Watch role or Mace… Agreed.

  474. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Yeah but as someone mentioned in one of the comments above, the Martells are descended from the first men and the andals, with a touch of rhoynar blood from intermarriage. I think the 3 types of dornishmen ( one of the posters mentioned it above, but i don’t feel like scrolling around for) are Stony dornishmen who live in the marches, who are basically just white, and the Sandy and salty dornishmen (I get them mixed up) but one is more Italian/Mediterranean. The only Dornishmen who have a middle eastern look are the Rhoynar, which is only a small part of Dornes population

    Red Viper:
    Jentario,

    I didn’t know that people in this world could only be either white or black. I personally saw the Martells as more middle-eastern or north indian in terms of skin tone.

  475. Atreyu
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    PussyGate!

  476. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Ha that his name! I completely forgot. I definitely agree he would be a great Mace, but I could also see him in a number of other roles in GoT, he just has that look to him

    Darquemode:
    Magnar of Thenn,

    Ivan Kaye!

    I looked him up when I saw him in Vikings for that same reason! XD
    He is like John Rhys-Davies-lite! XD

    Would make a good Night’s Watch role or Mace… Agreed.

  477. Ash
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Janina Gavankar ? GRRM mentioned she looked like Nymeria. So she could play Arianne!

  478. R
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Brian,

    *coughGILLYcough*

  479. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh:
    People have been mentioning Manu Bennett. I love the guy, fantastic actor, though I can’t quite see him as Oberyn. I’m not sure he can play sly. I’ve always wanted him to get a role in the show though. I can see him leading an enemy Khalasaar, though that would probably be playing to type. Still, even if he played to type, he’d do it excellently.

    Now that you mention it, given the way that they have cast the Dothraki in the past Manu Bennett would be perfect for Khal Jhaqo.

  480. Jentario
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Completely off topic but I just came up with an amazing way they can handle Jaime and Brienne next season! Bear with me here (pun intended) because it deviates a bit:

    Ep1: J&B arrive at King’s Landing. Brienne is placed in custody for crimes accused by Loras (killing Renly) and for working with the Starks.
    Ep.2: Jaime tells Brienne he will help her free Sansa and let them run away. He talks with Sansa and proposes his offer, telling her to come to him after Joffrey’s wedding. After some convincing, she agrees (also asking him why he pushed Bran off the window, to which he explains that it was either Bran or him, Cersei and all three of their children).
    Ep.3: Jaime speaks with Loras about freeing Brienne and tells him she didn’t kill Renly because “You can’t kill who you love.” which may or may not be awesome foreshadowing to the future of Jaime and Cersei (if you believe the theory that he is the Valonqar). Cut to Jon Snow at the Battle at Castle Black- “killing” (more like causing the death of) who he loves (Ygritte).
    Ep.4: PW, Sansa escapes with Littlefinger before Jaime could get to her.
    Ep.5: Jaime speaks with Brienne about Sansa’s escape and frees her from prison.
    Ep. 6: no J&B, maybe the funeral sex scene?
    Ep.7: Brienne does some detective work looking for a trail (still in KL).
    Ep.8: no J&B
    Ep.9: Brienne finds a clue and decides to leave KL
    Ep.10: Jaime and Brienne part and he gives her Oathkeeper.

    So there are some small deviations but it helps shape their arcs and delivers more compelling television. It also gives us more Jaime redemption and is awesome in general. You can’t say it ain’t true!

  481. Darquemode
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I like it and think it sounds plausible.

    I do think that some of the scenes could be combined maybe if they want to give Jaime episodes off. Although, King’s Landing is really the central arc of the series and if Jaime is in KL maybe he will not get many (or any) episodes off……

    I really like the timing of Jaime / Brienne played against Jon/ Ygritte in your Episode 4×03.

  482. zaprowsdower
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    You should see my family’s group photos. Having varying skin tones – from pale to fairly dark skinned – in a family is not uncommon.

  483. Jentario
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Jentario,

    I like it and think it sounds plausible.

    I do think that some of the scenes could be combined maybe if they want to give Jaime episodes off. Although, King’s Landing is really the central arc of the series and if Jaime is in KL maybe he will not get many (or any) episodes off……

    I really like the timing of Jaime / Brienne played against Jon/ Ygritte in your Episode 4×03.

    Thanks. Hopefully D&D do something like this. It will be much better than delaying their arrival for another half-season.

  484. tralalalareian
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Loras does not believe that Brienne killed Renly in the show’s continuity. It might be Margaery who orders her arrest instead, but I can’t think of a reason she would.

  485. feyrband
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I’m still holding out hope for Strong Belwas next season. It isn’t too late!

  486. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    tralalalareian,

    One reason I can think of would be politics. She may think it would garner Cersei’s trust as it would remove a competitor for Jaime’s affection from the scene. But I still prefer the elegant simplicity of the book version. Loras could be “convinced” by Cersei/Varys/Margeary/Tywin/Olenna/Littlefinger to doubt Brienne’s inocence. Not that big a stumbling block, IMO.

  487. Jentario
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    feyrband:
    I’m still holding out hope for Strong Belwas next season. It isn’t too late!

    I think it has been too late for 13 years now :(
    EDIT: Sorry, he’s been there since ACOK do its 16 years.

  488. Lou Reed
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Could see Camilla Luddington as Arianne Martell.

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2569832/

  489. TheWoodOfTheMorning
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1624

    This is from January, James Purefoy will not do Game of Thrones: “I won’t be doing Game Of Thrones, even if they ask me.” He and Kevin McKidd feel HBO scrapped Rome prematurely to make way for GoT.

  490. el
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    I like it, I like it a lot

  491. Nittanian
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming:
    About the Dornishmen: You forget something… this the TV show we are talking about! There will NOT be Salty, Sandy and… the other kind of dornish. Just Dornish! why do you think Anguy was changed to be Stormlander, instead of Dornish? Because he is white; and would be confusing to explain who is who in the matter of skin colour in Dorne. Personally I would like to see a slight darker mediteraneean look for the Martells.

    Actually, in the books Anguy is from the Dornish Marches (Stormlands), not Dorne.

  492. Nittanian
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    TheWoodOfTheMorning:
    http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1624

    This is from January, James Purefoy will not do Game of Thrones: “I won’t be doing Game Of Thrones, even if they ask me.”He and Kevin McKidd feel HBO scrapped Rome prematurely to make way for GoT.

    As mentioned earlier by Seonaidh Ceanneidigh:

    Yes, he called it “light hearted banter” on Twitter. It’s on the original WiC post on the topic.

    He also told Collider in 2011:

    With your previous history with HBO, and a lot of your fans really hoping for it, would you ever consider doing a role on Game of Thrones?

    PUREFOY: If it was the right role on Game of Thrones, definitely. Of course! It’s a terrific series. It’s a great series of books. I love HBO. I’m on record saying that HBO is the best television company in the world, and I believe they are. I think they absolutely understand how to make television that is really, really vital and interesting and visceral, and all the things that television really should be. I’m a big fan of HBO.
    http://collider.com/james-purefoy-interview-ironclad-john-carter/

    He was asked several times about GOT during a recent reddit AMA, but he didn’t respond to those questions.

  493. The Gathering Storm
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    I’d completely love for the second episode to be named; “A Gathering Storm” (aye, it’s the same as the Season 2 recap). It could feature both Oberyn Martell’s entry, and Mace Tyrell’s arrival. Would be great to see them clash on the first day. And I loved the idea of crippling Lord Mace because of the Red Viper. Would’ve given sooo cool with some great dialogue. For me, it seems Cliff Simon (he seems to have a very harsh expression, which can be good, but in my mind he must also show a little light) is the best choice for Oberyn Martell, the Red Viper of Dorne. And Hugh Bonneville for Lord Mace Tyrell, the Lord of Highgarden and Warden of the South, looks really like how I think him.

  494. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Magnar of Thenn: calling someone a pussy is sexist? are you serious? get real man

    *woman*

  495. Helen
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Dani,

    Have you seen Kingdom of Heaven? Alexander Siddig has some pretty nice armour on and he certainly looks the part of a warrior. I don’t remember if he has any big fight scenes though…. ah well, good excuse to watch it again!

    http://tiny-tran.blogspot.ca/

  496. KG
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    zaprowsdower,

    Why? Because I absolutely refuse to play the victim?

  497. Cary Storm
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: *woman*

    I’m sure he means “man” in the generic all-gender inclusive sense.

  498. Cary Storm
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    I meant to post this in this thread:

    I just came up with the perfect and heretofore unmentioned cast suggestion for Oberyn Martell, the Red Viper. Jaye Davidson. He’s the right age, the right ambiguously ethnicity, probably the right build, suitably sexy. Jaye Davidson. You heard it here first!

  499. Rygar
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    I think pussy is quite sexy. Just my two cents.

    I want HBO to bring back Mero as Victarion. Unf.

  500. Shan
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: I’m sure he means “man” in the generic all-gender inclusive sense.

    That’s the point, tho.

  501. wargsareawesome
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! in that case, you have my sword

  502. Cary Storm
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Shan: That’s the point, tho.

    It’s all so meta, isn’t it?

  503. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    because I refuse to play the victim?

    Who is playing the victim pray tell? You’re the one talking about how the PC crowd is forcing people to stop using words (which we haven’t, we just called you out for defending offense words). And might I remind you that moderators have the right to edit and delete comments on their own site as they see fit. If you don’t like it, don’t post. Or better yet, go get your own website where you can shout pussy and the other person can shout niggardly from the metaphorical rooftops to your hearts’ content.

    And again, for the hundred millionth time, pussy may have originated from pussycat but over the last 30 to 40 years has come to mean a woman’s vagina. That’s at least a few generations so unless you were born in the 1800′s you’re not thinking of a cat when you use the word. Thus the use of the term as portraying someone as weak has nothing to do with cats but is referring to women as being the weaker sex. Any woman who has ever given birth can tell you, we are a hell of lot stronger in many ways than most men. Standing up for your minority group against the majority group, who is in the wrong, is not playing the victim. However, being in a minority group and then defending the majority group is something else entirely.

  504. Jordan Brown
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Olivier Martinez – Oberyn Martell??
    Leila Bekhti – Arianne Martell
    Nazneen Contractor – Nymeria Sand

  505. sunspear
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    The flaw in your logic is stating that ‘pussy’ is a sexist word. Hate to break it to you, but almost no one agrees with you on that.

  506. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Helen,

    Not to mention all the GoT actors already in the film. It’s almost fate that Siddig would be the Red Viper.

  507. Cary Storm
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone, but sexism is not about objects, it’s about behavior. She never said “pussy is a sexist word.” She is talking about its use. Argue with that, not what she didn’t say.

  508. Monica
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    I couldn’t get interested in Dorne, until my second reading of the series. I’ll bet someone from Bollywood could nail that role!

    I just watched MIB 3, and thought that the evil alien biker guy might make a great Mountain, if it’s not too late. I think his name is Jemain Clement.

    Sometimes combining roles is a mistake. It worked with Gendry, but losing Lord Umber left a big gap that was obvious. What a character!

  509. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I don’t know about that show, but he’s definitely got the olive-toned skin, dark hair and dark eyes (from the Croatian side) to pull it off.

  510. Gatorfisch
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm:
    I meant to post this in this thread:

    Mind. Blown.

  511. Arthur
    Posted May 29, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Off topic:

    I want more intense dialog in GoT. Yes, there’s tons of good dialog in KL that’s intense. But I’m talking about the next level of intense dialog. Dialog so intense that of and by itself amounts to a huge “payoff” type feeling…

    Bringing the Martells into KL will give D&D a chance to give us this type of dialog. D&D can make the TV viewer feel the controlled hatred the Martells have for the Lannisters… The Martells know what the Mountain did under direct order from Tywin. They’re not stupid…

    The Red Viper most definitely knows and he can barely cloak his hatred and anger with that thought.

    I want to be able to feel this disdain and hatred through every sentence the Red Viper speaks.

    One of my all time favorite payoff scenes…

    http://youtu.be/F8hNaCnOdcw

    There’s no Dragons, no action, no CGI, no breasts… Just epic dialog…

  512. Arthur
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Here is one of the type of “payoff” feelings I felt from just sheer dialog from GoT.

    http://youtu.be/UyqKWROjrq4

    One of my fav scenes ever… Again, not costly to make just very well writting and acted.

  513. Jaqen is Q
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Ser Hound,

    I hate when people say we have to get someone with a “big name” for a certain role. Thats how we got stuck with Ciaran Hinds for Mance Ryder because they were desperate to get someone with a name but I’m sure there are actors who would have been much better choices for that role but are unknowns.

    Hinds is a good Mance. He could use a lute, but he’s the right age and has a presence on-screen.

  514. Doug M
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Doran Martell: Edward James Olmos.
    Oberyn Martell: Benjamin Bratt.

    Done and done.

  515. B
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Yes the Drogo scene where he makes the gift to his unborn son is one of the highest points of the show for me. I fell in love with the character then. I fantasize about my husband giving me a gift like that and get wet over and over again. TMI? Sorry. But yeh, they definitely need more scenes crafted like that. The tension came from the lead up to it. The slow build of their relationship and all Dany had been through to get to where she was. They had lots of time with the two of them to develop their relationship on the show, a luxury this season does not have due to the expanse of characters and how the producers writers and directors have chosen to tell the story by jumping around. Last weeks episode and the time they spent with Jamie & Brienne and even the Robb and Talisa scene where she revealed her pregnancy were nice scenes that are helping us get inside those characters relationships thus making us(whether we like it or not) fully connect with what they are going through. When they jump around so much we don’t get that. Season one as a whole felt more immersive. That is why that scene with Dany and Drogo was so moving. IMO.

  516. B
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    Monica,

    Yes, I miss The Greatjon immensely. Having him still on the show this season would have made <b>what is to come next week at the RW even more unbearable</b> freaking scheduling conflicts!!! Why couldn’t they have worked that out?! That actor and that character were great. I truly missed his presence this season and last.

  517. Arthur
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:56 am | Permalink

    B,

    That’s so true… All the high point “payoff” type dialog in ROME was only made possible by long character storylines.

    The size of the cast and the constant jumping around from here to there really make it tough for D&D to bring us those epic dialog type payoffs.

    Instead we get intense KL “oh snap” type dialog that is really entertaining and fun to watch but doesn’t give you that emotional lift that the Drogo speech gives you.

    I guess that’s the huge challenge of the juggling act D&D have to deal with every episode and the tradeoff we have to except if we want most of our favorite book characters to be included in the TV show.

  518. Chickenduck
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    B:
    Monica,

    Yes, I miss The Greatjon immensely. Having him still on the show this season would have made <b>what is to come next week at the RW even more unbearable</b> freaking scheduling conflicts!!! Why couldn’t they have worked that out?! That actor and that character were great. I truly missed his presence this season and last.

    +1 from me here. For me, Clive Mantle was a bigger loss than Conan Stevens.

    The Mountain should only have ever had two scenes in the whole narrative (tourney + RV duel). Stevens was perfect visually, but if seriously, the duel can be done by basically any massive dude in head-to-toe armour who can move well enough.

    The Greatjon on the other hand had stuff like “lines of dialog” which the Mountain didn’t really have or require. I just finished rewatching the first season, and the biggest thing that jumps out at me is how much of a great character actor Clive Mantle was, he added tons of personality to any scenes he was in. I think Robb’s arc this season could have been greatly improved by having the Greatjon still around to contrast with Karstark and Bolton.

    So that’s my 2c for today.

  519. Chickenduck
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 1:09 am | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q: Hinds is a good Mance. He could use a lute, but he’s the right age and has a presence on-screen.

    I really like Hinds as Mance! The guy can sing too, wait and see if a lute appears in later seasons. People need to wait until gets into his ADWD stuff before passing final judgment.

  520. Arthur
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    ZOMG!

    I found an awesome fan made video of what’s to come in season 4! It’s pretty good and it will just give you a tiny taste of the awesome scene we all can’t wait to see…

    SPOILER ALERT!

    DO NOT CLICK LINK IF YOU HAVEN’T READ THE BOOKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/1bzTrHlSW7M

  521. angela
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    If any Greyjoys are included, only one true Victarion comes to mind: Karl Urban (á la Éomer)

  522. Jentario
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    ZOMG!

    I found an awesome fan made video of what’s to come in season 4! It’s pretty good and it will just give you a tiny taste of the awesome scene we all can’t wait to see…

    SPOILER ALERT!

    DO NOT CLICK LINK IF YOU HAVEN’T READ THE BOOKS!!!

    http://youtu.be/1bzTrHlSW7M

    Awesome.

  523. Tom
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    When reading the books I always pictured The Red Viper like Oded Fehr in “The Mummy”-films.

  524. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    what do people think of this suggestion for Ironborn casting:

    Relative Unknown – Tristifer Botley (combined with Qarl. They will need to give YarAsha someone to talk to)
    Relative Unknown (but preferably the priest from season 2) – Aeron Greyjoy
    James Purefoy – Victarion Greyjoy (and before you say he and Kevin McKidd hate Game of Thrones, that comment was made tongue in cheek and then taken out of context. Also, as for his work on The Following; assuming that his character even returns for season 2, I doubt that the series will get renewed for a third season, the viewer numbers were falling quite a lot in the second half of the first season)
    David Wenham (Faramir) – Euron Greyjoy

    Mads Mikkelsen looks like he will be caught up in Hannibal for a while, it has proved to be quite good.

    Viggo Mortensen – anything as long as he appears on the show in some way :P. Depending on what look they go for with the Martells, he could be a rather epic Oberyn (although I must admit that I would prefer either a spanish or arab look).

  525. Darquemode
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I agree that they will cast a few Ironborn as supporting cast, but who knows which roles! XD

    I think Baelor Blacktyde should be on the series because of how his death scene will play. Victarion delivering him to Euron who has him cut into 7 pieces is one very dramatic way to show what Victarion and Euron are made of!

    Qarl and Tristofer combining makes sense as people confuse the two roles already! XD

    I think both Victarion and Euron will need some crewman as supporting cast. No matter which roles get cast they will be very minor and more background than anything I think…

  526. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Agreed, thats pretty much how I see things playing out, it really shouldn’t be hard to work that plot out without deviating too far from the books

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Basically, there will be no battle at Castle Black from the South this season. Mance will send the Magnar and his Thenns over the Wall to regroup with Tormund and his crew at the start of next season. At least that’s how I took the leaked audition tape for Styr.

  527. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,
    Agreed on Baelor Blacktyde being present, but I could see his role being given to an extra. he essentially exists just to be killed and display Euron’s insanity, so it isn’t a meaty enough role for an actual cast memeber

    I don’t think Euron particularly needs any named cast to support him, he is a pretty stand out character on his own. Maybe a few Ironborn lords for him to order around as King in later seasons would be necessary.

    Aeron is a minor role, so I think he just needs unnamed extras around him as drowned priests.

    As for Victarion, I think maybe a single guest cast member to act as a lieutenant under him for him to interact with on the voyage to Meereen would be needed, at least until Moqorro shows up. And I can picture the dusky woman being cut entirely, unless she ends up being really important for some reason.

  528. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 8:28 am | Permalink

    You know, you could make the argument that saying ‘white people are the most privileged people on the planet’ as being somewhat racist in itself, some may not agree and think thats just an obvious statement. But as a middle/lower class white person who has never been privaliged and has never had anything handed to him in life, I find a tad offensive that people make assumptions that as a white person you’re inherently privaliged, rich, and yes racist. White people shouldn’t be stereotyped just like no person of color should be, not to make a biger deal on this than it should, I just can’t help but be somewhat annoyed when someone makes a comment that as a white person im automatically advantaged

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    People don’t get offended on behalf of white men because white men are the most privileged group of people on the planet.Using sexist or racist language (even unintentionally) reaffirms the status of women or people of color as inferior in the eyes of society.It isn’t that any of us like to be thought of as victims. What exactly do white men have to be offended about?Being the richest or most powerful? Boo hoo! Not that white men are bad or anything.Just try to remember you are automatically advantaged.

  529. Darquemode
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Agreed on all counts.
    It’s difficult for me to really guess how they will deal with the storylines. Will they expand them a bit to flesh out new characters or will they slow play them like in the books.

    I assume they will write a few new scenes, most likely with the brothers interacting or with Yara etc… But they could play up the raids on Moat Cailin, the Reach or the Shield Islands and need some new roles too.

    Will they need Erik? Will they marry Yara to him? If so casting him earlier for the Kingsmoot makes some sense maybe….

    I forgot about the Dusky womn!
    Not an important role, bt she could be used to get exposition from Victarion as he talks to her…. and of course nude scenes. It is HBO.

    Moqorro should make it IMO too.
    They have ignored prophecies for the most part with good reason, but at some point they need to bring them back into the series for the endgame. Moqorro would be nice that way….

    I would love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for the role or Peter Mensah if they go a different direction appearance wise. Also Don Warrington would be interesting as Moqorro…

    I have a few other roles and suggestions on my casting post here:
    http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/05/game-of-thrones-season-4-casting-rumors.html

    Mostly just Season 4 roles that could be cat, but I did include a few Lords, Dornish and the House of Black and White roles in case they move some plots forward in an early introduction…

  530. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    And yes white people do get offended, just like any other red blooded human being on this planet, To suggest we dont, or have no right to be, is completely ignorant, I wont’t say racist, but it definitely shows ignorance, definition of ignorance being a lack of understanding, in youre case about white people. Were human beings who have feelings, and yes beleive it or not do get offended. I don’t mean to make a bigger deal about this then needs to be, I know people really dont want to get into an argument about race, I just think people should be more careful about making generalizations about race, better yet, dont bring it up at all

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    People don’t get offended on behalf of white men because white men are the most privileged group of people on the planet.Using sexist or racist language (even unintentionally) reaffirms the status of women or people of color as inferior in the eyes of society.It isn’t that any of us like to be thought of as victims. What exactly do white men have to be offended about?Being the richest or most powerful? Boo hoo! Not that white men are bad or anything.Just try to remember you are automatically advantaged.

  531. Alan
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    The big takeaway from news of RV’s confirmation for me is that ultimately we’re going to see Dorne, in some fashion, on HBO’s Game of Thrones. They’re not going to introduce a Dornish character thirsting for revenge for atrocities done at the close of Robert’s Rebellion, who perishes before his plan has been fully executed, and then not explore that further in season 5. It would make no sense.

    I hope we see fewer of those “Mark my words, Dorne will be excised from the show” remarks.

    I’m sorry, but can’t agree. The RV is a great character and his arc is nicely contained in KL. I hope we get Dorne, but the RV isn’t much evidence we’ll get Doran and Arianne.

    You’ve got producers mentioning squeezing 4-5 books into three seasons. You’ve got an already super crowded character base. And Dorne has yet to play an essential role.

    I don’t know if they cut Dorne, but the RV in season 4 means little.

  532. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Ok,my mistake, get real woman

    Ours is the Fury: *woman*

  533. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Ser Tahu,
    Will they need Erik? Will they marry Yara to him? If so casting him earlier for the Kingsmoot makes some sense maybe….

    I forgot about the Dusky womn!
    Not an important role, bt she could be used to get exposition from Victarion as he talks to her…. and of course nude scenes. It is HBO.

    Moqorro should make it IMO too.
    They have ignored prophecies for the most part with good reason, but at some point they need to bring them back into the series for the endgame. Moqorro would be nice that way….

    I would love Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje for the role or Peter Mensah if they go a different direction appearance wise. Also Don Warrington would be interesting as Moqorro…

    I forgot about Erik, but they could keep him off screen and only mention him to save on cast salary costs.

    And people say that there was no sexposition in the books… :P

    As far as prophecies are concerned, I am expecting more of the Azor Ahai/The Prince that was Promised prophecy(s) through Melisandre to Jon at the Wall, and through Maester Aemon to Sam on the way to Oldtown, as for all of the prophecies cut out of Daenery’s storyline, I am hoping that they slowly introduce some of them during her long stay at Meereen, possibly through Quaithe.

    And I must admit, I do very much want Peter Mensah, but unless they pull another Xaro the only major black roles left on the show are Brown Ben Plumm (who only has a %50 chance of making it onto the show, and even then they would have to make him considerably younger than he is in the books (and darker, but that isn’t exactly important)), and Moqorro, which would involve quite a different look.

  534. Helen
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    TheWoodOfTheMorning: So there are some small deviations but it helps shape their arcs and delivers more compelling television. It also gives us more Jaime redemption and is awesome in general. You can’t say it ain’t true!

    That’s too bad, I think James Purefoy would have been great in one role or another on GoT.

    Rome was awesome though, and was canceled too soon.

  535. Zack
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    I feel very strongly that this will happen. I don’t see anyone being happy with leaving that revenge thread dangling. But then I also think it’s unlikely that the story in the books is the dead end so many of the haters are convinced it is as well.

  536. Scott Glennon
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    A little cautious here after the comment removal thing….*glares*
    As to the subject at hand, the quickest way to kill this show would be to overlook Dorne.
    My favorite part of the books are the castles. They are all extremely cool, and frequently cause me to geek out. I would be SO disappointed if we were not treated to a view of Sunspear. The description in the books is almost mythical, and personally, I am truly excited at the possibility of seeing it.
    As for (fantasy) casting, all I’ve really got are two:
    For the Red Viper, Sendhil Ramamurthy. He recently completed a story arc on Beauty and the Beast on the CW (Don’t Start! I have a mild crush on Kristin Kreuk….so……there). When I saw him, my first thought was,”He’d make a good Red Viper”. Here is his IMDB link:
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0707983/
    The other is for Arianne. I have mentioned Clara Lago before-on this site in fact-and I’m sticking with her. Link:
    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1242939/?ref_=sr_3
    As for the rest, pfft, I got nothin’. I will leave it in the more than capable hands of Nina Gold. Cheers!

    For Winterfell!

  537. sherry
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    I would like to know exactly what race/ethnicity the Dornish people are going to be before I do much dreamcasting. :) That been said I’d love to see Alexander Siddiq as the Red Viper, Ghasson Massoud or Joe Mantegna as Doran Martell, and David Thewlis or Brendan Gleeson as Mace Tyrell. James Purefoy would be great as Euron Greyjoy, I think but I don’t know if he really got killed off on The Following. Mads(Hannibal) would be a great Euron or Victarion, in my opinion.
    Man, these roles are so many, and there’s a great many actors who would do a great job!

  538. WildSeed
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    sunspear: I’m pretty sure they use the word c*nt on the show because the words ‘vagina’ or ‘pussy’ have not been invented yet. This is the same reason you don’t here people tossing around words like ‘scrotum’ much in medieval literature.

    The point made earlier was to exaggerated use, in comparison with the books.
    The books, IMO, did well to reflect all aspects of life and politics in that era.
    I’m not offended when artistic work depict that. On GoT, the character ” Yarra ”
    and a couple of others used it repeatedly and not in character with the scene.
    I found this disturbing if not ironic.

    Historically , men and women have found colorful language to insult or
    compliment each other, no matter the language . An author or artist
    does their best to reflect that, it should be appreciated for that point specifically.

    GoT has taken liberties to update some terms as well. I made note since S1,
    but that’s impractical to debate. Those changes may allow some to follow
    easier.

  539. tysnow
    Posted May 30, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    sherry,

    I like Massoud as Doran, wasn’t he Saladin from Kingdom of Heaven. Mads just had his Hannibal renewed, wonder if he can squeeze in 4 – 6 weeks of Euron filming prior to Lector shoot.

  540. loco73
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    Nic,

    Mark Strong would be an interesting choice as the Red Viper , but it won’t happen since he is starring in AMC’s new series “Low Winter Sun”…

  541. loco73
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    Agreed we need Conan Stevens back as the Mountain That Rides! Gregor doesn’t talk that much anyways and I sure that Conan Stevens can more than handle whatever dialogue the Mountain might get. We really need him back, without a covincing Mountain, the Red Viper will be diminished…

    Ditto on Clive Mantle…the Greatjon will surely be missed since he made for quite the presence at the RW.

    As for who I think most appropriate in the role of the Red Viper…it would have to be Alexander Siddig (Siddig El-Fadil). When I was reading the books all I could see when the Red Viper was present on the pages, was Alexander Siddig.

    When I think of Dorne, it reminds me of the period in history when parts of Spain (most of the south) was under the Moorish conquest, or as it known “La Conquista” (eng. the ocuppation or the conquest) . The moorish caliphate in southern Spain was called if memory serves me right, Al-Andalus. So Dorne’s ideal representation, at least to me would be that kind of combination of North African/Arabic/Latin/Mediterranean look…if that makes any sense.

    When I travelled to Spain a few years ago I visited the Alhambra and cities like Grenada and Cordoba where the Moorish influence is undeniable even to this day. Never mind that apparently about 25% of the Spanish population are at least in part descendants of the intermarriages that took place between the Moores and the Spaniards. Cities like Grenada boast amazing architecture, with buildings that are an amazing mixture of Spanish and Moorish styles…to me that is what Dorne would ideally look like!

    As for the characters, yeah to my mind, Alexander Siddig absolutely fits the part. Especially if you see him as he looked in “Kingdom Of Heaven”!!! Here are some links to Alexander Siddig in “Kingdom Of Heaven”. To me he is the embodiment of the Red Viper:

    http://sidcity.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=11&pos=0

    http://sidcity.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=1

    http://sidcity.net/gallery/displayimage.php?album=10&pos=6

    Ghassan Massoud is a good choice but he is older than Alexander Siddig, not by much mind you…but still…

    Come to think of if, if we’re still on “Kingdom Of Heaven”, what about Marton Csokas! He played Guy De Lusignan in “Kingdom Of Heaven” and had a smaller part in the LOTR trilogy, he played Celeborn aka Gladriel’s husband. He certainly has the look and everything else! He is busy starring as crime boss Jimmy Laszlo in “Rogue” alongside Thandy Newton, but I’m not sure how long that show will last and maybe we can get him! Here are some pictures of Marton:

    http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0190744/

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/Pdvd_038.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/KoH_020.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/Pdvd_026.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/Pdvd_056.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/Pdvd_054.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/Pdvd_038.jpg

    http://fanzone50.com/MartonCsokas/KoH_caps/KoH_020.jpg

    I don’t know about you but he sure seems like a good candidate for the Red Viper!

    I guess we will find out soon!

  542. Dani
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    I think they kind of have to cast Aerys because they are not going to pass up introducing Arriane the way her relationship with him is introduced in the book. Her walking in to the room completely naked is a visual HBO exec’s would die for!

  543. Sh4rp3
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Hannah:
    The best cast for Oberyn Martell is Kayvan Novak!

    Excellent choice ! Oded fehr also, but Novak deserves a role of this stature whereas Fehr has played similar roles for years . Purefoy is completely unsuitable , maybe he could be another later on (griff anyone ?)

  544. Privé
    Posted June 3, 2013 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    What about the Australian actor Damian de Montemas? He would be the perfect Red Viper! Not as big a name as others maybe but has the physicality and is the right age and intensity and level of cool and sexy as hell. He’s an awesome character actor and would be brilliant as Oberyn I’d love to see him play him!.can’t wait for next season the red wedding was excellently done ,so sad.

  545. A
    Posted June 4, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Douglas,

    Yes yes yes for Mads as Euron!

    And why are people still whitewashing the Martells??

  546. s.c.
    Posted June 5, 2013 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    Mads Mikkelsen, the one and only!!!!! badass

  547. Fosters23
    Posted June 5, 2013 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    I think Kristian Kiehling would make a fantastic Red Viper!!!

  548. Ragdei9
    Posted June 5, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    It would be awesome to see Mannu Bennett or Oded Fehr play The Red Viper of Dorne.

  549. SerWilliam
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I agree they need a beautiful curny woman for arianne. Like Dania Ramirez maybe she’s gorgeous and not a bad actress either.

  550. SerWilliam
    Posted June 6, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Although I think Dania has slimmed down a bit recently

  551. yehuda B.s
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    another one for Oded Fehr for the viper…
    he has the looks, he has the carisma for this role..
    and he is still out there looking for his next big project :)

  552. Alen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    I think Johnny Depp would be a perfect Red Viper. He is good at playing halfmad characters. Also I think the fight vs Mountain should be the best scene ever!

  553. Loobylulu82
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    Putting it out there – James Purefoy or David Tennant as the Red Viper. Purefoy very sinister but Tennant equally sharp tongued Barty Crouch Jr in HP and could imagine him up against the mountain. Must get season 1 mountain back – season 2 mountain is too thin.

  554. Andy
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Antonio Banderas as the Red Viper…?

  555. bufkus
    Posted June 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    I would love to see Idris Elba on GoT at some point, but I don’t think he’s suitable as a Martell. The Martells should be olive skinned not dark.

    However Idris Elba is becoming a huge name and because of that, I doubt he’ll ever get the chance.

  556. Shin
    Posted June 15, 2013 at 5:22 am | Permalink

    Honestly, I’m more excited for the Thenns than for the Red Viper. Wildlings in the show have been a bit lacking.

  557. C
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    I’ve always pictured the Dornish people to be more Middle Eastern looking than Indian, thats why I dont picture Naveen Andrews as the Red Viper but Instead Oded Fehr.

  558. C
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Loobylulu82,

    You realize that both are White, British actors? Dorne resembles more of a Middle Eastern/Asian enviroment. James Purefoy is more a Victarion Greyjoy.

  559. David The Grey
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    angela: If any Greyjoys are included, only one true Victarion comes to mind: Karl Urban (á la Éomer)

    I would be down with that, 100%.

    I’m against any casting of James Purefoy. He reminds me of a George Clooney, in that no matter what I’ve seen him in, I always see him as George Clooney. If Purefoy was cast, it would have to be as an iron born covered in gray drab clothes and tons of facial hair and makeup, with a voiceover as well. LOL

    Ah I trust in Nina Gold, so I’m sure I’ll be happy with whoever they get for these roles. I do like the idea of Alexander Siddiq as Oberyn. And I have to second the folks that wish for Conan Stevens to come back as Gregor Clegane. That man very much portrayed the brutality and anger that comes with The Mountain back in Season 1, and I think it is more than just his intimidating size that sold him for me. You’d need that darkness of character to help remind folks of how bad he is. (If they somehow forgot the horse beheading of Season One. Speaking of Season One, I’m still in awe of that Gregor vs. Sandor battle at the Tourney of the Hand – and is one more reason I can’t see anyone else as Gregor.)

    Man I can’t wait for Season 4!

  560. David The Grey
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Arthur:
    ZOMG!
    I found an awesome fan made video of what’s to come in season 4! It’s pretty good and it will just give you a tiny taste of the awesome scene we all can’t wait to see…
    SPOILER ALERT!
    DO NOT CLICK LINK IF YOU HAVEN’T READ THE BOOKS!!!
    http://youtu.be/1bzTrHlSW7M

    Awesome.

    Wow, awesome is right!!! ZOMG indeed!!!! Can you just imagine this fight with someone the size of Gregor Clegane’s size? Oh it’s going to be awesome!!!

  561. Dave Brownell
    Posted June 16, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    We have GOT to get Strong Belwas in here!! He’ll bring the show up to a whole new level of badassery!!

  562. Riley Hoffmann
    Posted June 18, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Please, please, please cast Manu Bennett (The Hobbit, Spartacus, etc) for The Red Viper!

  563. Elizabeth
    Posted June 25, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I want Silas Carson for Oberyn Martell!

  564. Jeor Blackfyre
    Posted June 25, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Although I’m not sure about her acting, I think Aria Giovanni looks like Arianne Martell in my mind. Keep in mind I’m only talking about look before tearing me a new one.

    Other characters I hope to see cast are Prince Doran Martell, maybe Nymeria Sand and Ser Arys Oakheart in Dorne, Euron and Victarion Greyjoy in the Iron Island, Val the wildling princess, the Kindly Man and the Waif in Braavos.

    Maybe Bowen Marsh, Satin, Othell Yarwyck, Donal Noye, Cotter Pyke and Ser Denys Mallister in the north? They all get in the spotlight in the second half of ASoS, and other than Marsh, Satin and Yarwyck, they all get only a little screentime, meaning no long term engagement.

  565. Chickenduck
    Posted June 25, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Manu Bennett as RV would be awesome – but he’s probably busy doing Arrow? The Dornish as Polynesian/mixed actors could be an interesting chocie. The Rock is also half Samoan (but Americans seem to forget that, and just think of him as “black”… Same as half-Asian Tiger Woods) and I’ve seen him discussed as a potential RV elsewhere. The Rock is probably a bit on the bulky side for my liking though… I think the RV needs to be more of a bantamweight than a heavyweight.

    As a Canadian, would The Rock be easier to use under EU work laws than a European actor? Probably no harder than an Australian (e.g. Noah Taylor as Locke)?

    In other news, I’d love to see Ray Stevenson as basically anyone. Victarion or Euron maybe?

    Haven’t watched Rome yet (on my list of things to do in the GoT off-season), but freaking loved him in Dexter. Amazing eyes. I think he could also have been a good Roose (McElhatton is fantastic though, don’t get me wrong).

  566. renalia
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Having just seen One Night With the King, how about Luke Goss for Red Viper?

    Reference image (from ONwtK): http://www.superiorpics.com/movie_pictures/mp/2006_One_Night_with_the_King/md/2006_one_night_with_the_king_013.jpg

  1. [...] 2. It’s too soon for Joff and Margaery Tyrell’s wedding – we haven’t been introduced to one of its illustrious guests. The first Dornishman to feature prominently in ASOIAF arrives at King’s Landing before the Red Wedding and it’s high time he arrived for the royal matrimony. No sign of him in this promo, but Tyrion at 00:31 sets the scene nicely. This winteriscoming.net notice suggests I’m wrong. [...]


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