Episode 29 Preview: “The Rains of Castamere”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

“Show them how it feels to lose what they love.” – Catelyn Stark

“Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride. Jon faces his harshest test yet. Bran discovers a new gift. Daario and Jorah debate how to take Yunkai. House Frey joins with House Tully.”

The penultimate episode of season 3 is written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, and directed by David Nutter. “The Rains of Castamere” features the return of David Bradley as Lord Walder Frey, last seen in the season 1 episode “Baelor.”

A special word of caution: A potential leak has popped up and there is discussion happening under SPOILER tags that would contain info that, if correct, would be spoilers even for book readers! We don’t know yet if this rumored leak is valid. You may want to skip clicking on spoilers, in order to avoid ruining any surprises, even if you are not Unsullied.

Ours is the Fury: The ninth episode of each season is usually a major high point. What are you all looking forward to the most this episode?


424 Comments

  1. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Tastefully done. I like.

    “Bran discovers a new gift” YES

    Is it warging into Hodor?

  2. Grijnwaald
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

    awww…….. nodor :’(

  3. Diego
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    I know what I’m not looking forward.

  4. Nick_Scryer
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Can. Not. Wait.

    This two week break almost killed me, thank the gods it’s over.

  5. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    I’m hopefully looking forward to some Barristan Selmy action

  6. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    What did just Arya say? Wow! Girl is turning bitter now

  7. Dammit Patrice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Can someone with a bigger screen tell me who are the topless men fighting at 0:29??

  8. Daemon
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone have any idea what the half second part with the two shirtless dudes charging at each other is?

  9. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    *Snore*

    This episode’s bound to be filler.

  10. Hollyoak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    All three seasons of GoT I have never watched a “Next on Game of Thrones” at the end of the episode.

    It’s been hard, but worth it.

  11. Dammit Patrice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Hopefully!! Or perhaps he´s warging into Summer.

  12. Steelyuhas
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Hodor is bound to be the highlight of this episode.

  13. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Daemon,

    It’s two drunken Tully/Stark men tussling outside the Twins while the wedding and feast is happening.

  14. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Steelyuhas:
    Hodor is bound to be the highlight of this episode.

    Steelyuhas:
    Hodor is bound to be the highlight of this episode.
    Yes please!

  15. Darquemode
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    I’d say I’ve been waiting for weeks for this episode to air, but I think I’ve been waiting for years now! XD

    Need to see/ hear reactions from non-readers …..
    Cannot imagine how some will react and the reactions I can imagine scare me! XD

  16. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    A guy posted some spoilers on IMDb about how the last scene of the episode will play out. It was chilling just reading it.

  17. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    And how would he know?

  18. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    It’s looking like there will be zero Lannister/KL or Stannis/Dragonstone scenes in this episode. I hope the whole episode is great and not just the final scene. I’m interested to see how they handle the Queenscrown Jon/Bran crossover. It looks like there will be a more prolonged battle than in the books. I wonder if Jon is shoving Ygritte to prevent her from shooting Summer?

  19. Daemon
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Makes sense, thanks.

  20. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    I am little worrried about this episode cause it seems like it’s going to feature alot of the characters instead of just focusing on a certain area, that was one of the strengths of episode 8 is the fact it wasn’t jumping all over the place.

    I hope they at least invest a good 20 or 30 minutes of the episode on the event.

    If it was me I wouldn’t include Jon or Bran in this episode.

  21. Daemon
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I really hope there’s no KL filler. I’m never one of those people crying about say, Theon’s stuff taking precious time, but for this particular episode I am. No Shae and Tyrion nonsense pleeease.

  22. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Don’t know how he gets the episodes before they air, but this guy is legit. He posted some spoilers about Blackwater last year, and several people on IMDb said that he used to post early spoilers on the Dexter board as well.

    I guess he’s some kind of insider.

  23. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    babar,

    And how would he know?

    Some attention seeking dude posted he saw it. There are some saying that he spoiled Dexter episodes and those were true. I’m not convinced at all that he indeed saw the episode what he wrote is missing some crucial things regarding Cat I cannot imagine the showrunners wouldn’t include.

  24. Daemon
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Seems like the same amount to me, no? Arya/Sam/Dany both weeks, Jon and Bran replace Dragonston, Robb and company replace Tyrion and company.

  25. ytdn
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    I am little worrried about this episode cause it seems like it’s going to feature alot of the characters instead of just focusing on a certain area, that was one of the strengths of episode 8 is the fact it wasn’t jumping all over the place.

    I hope they at least invest a good 20 or 30 minutes of the episode on the event.

    If it was me I wouldn’t include Jon or Bran in this episode.

    They’re only featuring three locations, the same as Episode 8. We’ve got Queenscrown (Jon & Bran), Yunkai (Dany and others) and the RW (Robb, Cat, Arya), as far as we can tell from the preview, and the recap suggests that there’ll be a Sam & Gilly scene- probably something small.

  26. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Episode 8 featured five storylines. Episode 9 seems to also be featuring five storylines.

    Since Bran and Jon, and Arya and Robb, temporarily merge, it should hopefully be ok, even though lots of big events are going down at once. If Robb has too much screen time it will make the RW too obvious.

    Hyped.

    EDIT: Ooh, Sam might show up too. But it’s still not so many storylines. We’ll see I guess.

  27. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    I can totally see them removing that part in the TV series. That would look a bit over-the-top on screen, IMO.

    But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.

  28. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    how can I find that?

  29. Sky Aero
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    SPOILER!!! Do NOT read if you don’t want to spoil ep. 9!!!!

    “It hurts so much, she thought. Our children, Ned, all our sweet babes. Rickon, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Robb… Robb… please, Ned, please, make it stop, make it stop hurting… The white tears and the red ones ran together until her face was torn and tattered, the face that Ned had loved. Catelyn Stark raised her hands and watched the blood run down her long fingers, over her wrists, beneath the sleeves of her gown. Slow red worms crawled along her arms and under her clothes. It tickles. That made her laugh until she screamed. “Mad,” someone said, “she’s lost her wits,” and someone else said, “Make an end,” and a hand grabbed her scalp just as she’d done with Jinglebell, and she thought, No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair. Then the steel was at her throat, and its bite was red and cold.— Catelyn Stark”

    I think this particular scene is going to be horrifically terrific or terrifically horrific. Either it will be incredibly difficult to watch! CANNOT wait for the sullied’s opinions!

  30. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    That’s not so bad I guess. I am just excited/nervous cause this episode really needs to be perfect to have the effect I want it to.

  31. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    babar:
    sati,

    I can totally see them removing that part in the TV series. That would look a bit over-the-top on screen, IMO.

    But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.


    They are keeping GW/Robb in. Cat’s insanity and the intensity of her last moment seems like something that should have been in the show. Hopefully it will be a great scene either way.

  32. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Wow, a LOT of people are swearing that this guy is legitimate. About the episode, he says:

    The episode is solid, but the end elevates it to dead Ned territory. The end credits are dead silent, and you will be too.

    I’m wondering if I should read more…

  33. Iggy1eco
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    While I like how GoT wins in the Drama and dialogue department, what I’m looking forward this episode is action. Simply good action. I’m missing some. And it seems we’ve got it covered with various main characters this time :)

  34. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully Catelyn has lots of lines since she’s barely been given anything to say since the first few episodes. From the preview it’s looking good.
    All the Hodoring Hodor will do should provide some much needed comic relief. Thank you Kristian Nairn for existing!
    I’m most anxious to find out if Talisa will survive the RW.

  35. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    haha YES PLEASE!

  36. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    novichaso,

    Look for the thread “Jkrishan is a fake” on the GOT IMDb board (it’s on the second page right now). Then look for Jkrishan’s post. The spoiler isn’t very long, nor very surprising if you’ve already read the books, though.

    Hence why sati isn’t quite convinced. ;)

  37. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    sati,

    Wow, a LOT of people are swearing that this guy is legitimate. About the episode, he says:

    The episode is solid, but the end elevates it to dead Ned territory. The end credits are dead silent, and you will be too.

    I’m wondering if I should read more…


    I think it’s horrible that someone spoiled it, if he is telling the truth. Though to be honest a lot of what he wrote can be guessed from promos and looking at the cast list.

  38. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    thanks!

  39. Kyrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Firtst Samwell

    This transitions obviously to Bran(when coldhands tells Samwell to lead him to Bran) and then to Jon.

    Dont know how they will transition to the others but Arya, Catelyn/Robb, and Dany will be in this episode aswell

  40. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Mods, will there be a no spoiler policy if the episode leaks again? I need to know if I’m going to have to avoid this site all weekend.

  41. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    The final scene for season 3 needs to be Stoneheart being found in the Fork by Thoros, given the kiss of life and then have her eyes open up.

  42. Timmen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been thinking about this way too much lately… had a dream last night I was at a family party and game of thrones was on- this episode, on my big TV in living room, but everyone was really loud and couldn’t hear anything really and my sister was like “Oh well” and my brother said that too, they both watch the show. I was super pissed but didn’t say anything.

    WHAT A DREAM!

  43. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    Wait. The recap reads:
    “Robb presents himself to Walder Frey, and Edmure meets his bride. Jon faces his harshest test yet. Bran discovers a new gift. Daario and Jorah debate how to take Yunkai. House Frey joins with House Tully”

    So where did you get the idea that Sam might be in it?

  44. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    So is it confirmed that the finale is 70 minutes long, or is that just a rumor? Also, I can’t get the HBO site to load on my cell phone – anyone know how long episode 9 is listed as being?

  45. Timmen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Can I just say I think people are expecting TOO much out of this scene in the show. We all know by this point in the show that you’ll get the MEATY parts of the scene, the integral completely necessary ones. Nothing on screen will quite play out as descriptively and vividly as ones mind while reading. People are anticipating a massive sequence of slaughter. I could honestly see from the point the music players to the time Cat has her throat cut could be maybe 2 or 3 minutes of screentime.

    The only dialogue in it is between Cat and Walder and Robb a tiny bit. They won’t spend 5 minutes showing people being stabbed. I think it will go:

    1) Rains
    2) Catelyn Slap
    3) Hit Catelyn
    4) Robb gets up, shot down
    5) Slaughter Ensues
    6) Tents burned
    7) Cat begs Walder
    8) The Lannisters send their regards
    9) Cat death

    And it will be the end of the episode, not the last 1/3 of it as people seem to believe.

  46. ytdn
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    Josla,

    The ‘previously on’ Recap here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej0Cy2_yOfY

  47. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    Sam is shown in the recap video.

  48. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Timmen,

    MARK YOUR SPOILERS!

  49. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I know there’s spoilers and moderators here but I would strongly advise anybody who’s not read the books to avoid any comment sections relating to GOT until the episode has aired in your country.

  50. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    I don’t think anybody spoiled it, he’s just a guy that saw the episode first and wanted to tell people to expect an EXCELLENT episode. That just made me want to see is even more!!!

  51. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    novichaso:
    sati,

    I don’t think anybody spoiled it, he’s just a guy that saw the episode first and wanted to tell people to expect an EXCELLENT episode. That just made me want to see is even more!!!

    Sorry but the lack of Jinglebell, don’t cut my hair, no clawing of Cat’s face and no laughter constitutes a spoiler for me.

  52. Rabid Grunt
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Link? (I canny find it)

  53. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    The season finale is 57 minutes, like “The Rains of Castamere.” It’s not 70 minutes.

  54. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Michelle’s voice gives me chills.

  55. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Do not link to any illicitly leaked materials on this website, please. Thanks!

  56. Qyburning Man
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Like others, I’ve been looking forward to this Sunday for years, and I’ll be watching with my teenage son who only knows the story from the show. He’s a pretty astute observer of TV, and he knows how the big events in HBO shows tend to be in the penultimate episode of the season.

    He also knows I’ve read the books, and if things unfold as I think they will Sunday night, and we’re at Edmure’s wedding without incident and with about 15 minutes to go, I’m going to tell him “hmmm…based on what I know from the books, it looks like HBO is saving the epic event for the last episode”. This way I hope he’s taken completely by surprise as I was reading the books, since the event occurred roughly in the middle of the book.

  57. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    novichaso,

    I already told you where you can read that part..

  58. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I strongly agree. Please don’t lower the WIC standard and include thoughts from the asshole actor/director/writer wannabes. The speculation on WIC is pure and exciting (from both UnSullied and Sullied). That particular spoiler brat has probably violated an NDA that he signed by posting his spoilers. He should be hanged, eviscerated and fed to Drogon.

  59. Blaat
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    I wonder why people think the guy is legit? Because I cannot imagine they will leave Cat her insanity out of the picture

  60. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Agreed on that!

  61. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Blaat,

    Cause this isn’t the first time he posts early spoilers for a TV show.

  62. dogs
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    The HBO schedule showed Second Sons as 57 minutes as well, but it was 58 minutes actually. It seems like 57 minutes on the HBO schedule is just the arbitrary length they give upcoming episodes. Before, like a week or two ago, they had episode 10 on the schedule as ending at 10:00 like all previous Game of Thrones episodes of hour-long timeslots (I mean just the time slot on the diagram, not the written length when you click on the episode details), but now it shows that timeslot as ending at 10:10, meaning that episode 10 will indeed be longer than that hour-long timeslot, even if the description still says 57 minutes. Which means it could be 70 minutes, but is more likely to be like 60 something minutes.

    edit: er, I guess Second Sons was 57 minutes after all.. Still, though.

  63. Blaat
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    That doesn’t mean he’s right though (Unless those other times also involved GoT?). It’s fairly simple to post a slightly differing version of the Red Wedding on imdb and pass for real based on prior reputation. Nothing is easier to troll than a Song of Ice and Fire fan, especially when it concerns this particular event and the possible emission of certain parts of it I have to say leaving out Cat’s insanity is the first thing I would actually really blame the writers for

  64. GoT
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I think the RW/Aya &Hound sequence will cover the last 7-10 minutes…

    You should all relax if you’re worried they’re gonna spoil the event, since the RW was the main fucking reason D&D decided to run this show. We can expect an epic and classic television moment.

  65. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Blaat:
    That doesn’t mean he’s right though (Unless those other times also involved GoT?). It’s fairly simple to post a slightly differing version of the Red Wedding on imdb and pass for real based on prior reputation. Nothing is easier to troll than a Song of Ice and Fire fan, especially when it concerns this particular event and the possible emission of certain parts of it I have to say leaving out Cat’s insanity is the first thing I would actually really blame the writers for

    Same here. I’m usually fine with the changes but I would be shocked if they omitted that.

  66. KingNed
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Im really looking forward yo these last two episodes hopefully the cast and directors will hit it out of the park and give us the best episode yet! Blackwater will be hard to beat but it can be done!

  67. babar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Blaat,

    Apparently, he posted some spoilers for Blackwater last year.

    As I said, we’ll just have to wait and see. We’re just two days away. ;)

  68. Petearys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Hah, cue the spoiler tags! Get ready non book readers!

  69. coronaking
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    The preview looks like only Stark and Daenerys scenes in this episode. Nice change! ;)

  70. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Really hope this leak is false. This whole scene should be Catelyn’s moment. Taking away anything from her is foolish. Why would any writer change the most famous chapter from a novel when there is no need. I refuse to believe this leak mostly because I’m a huge Catelyn fan and by taking her final moments away from her would be a huge mistake and miss the point of the RW completely.

  71. Kyrenna
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m not really looking forward to the next episode, to be honest. The buildup towards the Red Wedding has been such that I’m not sure it will have that much impact on me. I really worry about what they’ll do with Catelyn.

    They’ll put the wedding as the final scene, to be sure, so we won’t see any reactions from, say, Sansa, Arya, Tywin or the Tyrells till next week. Those I *am* looking forward to.

    I wonder if they put Queenscrown in this episode because Bran gets to see his oldest brother killed ‘live’ by ways of Grey Wind. Isn’t book canon; does get the point of warging across nicely, and would tie in with Orell.

  72. Unsullied # 98
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Ep9s so far.
    S1E9: Lannisters won, Starks lost. (Ned lost his head)
    S2E9: Lannisters won, Barratheons lost. (Stannis lost Blackwater)
    S3E9: ???? wins, ????? looses

    I’m looking forward to.

  73. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    If the spoilers are true then they are for the better. Seeing Cat laugh and claw her face is very unnecessary. It worked very well in the book but now that we have a visual medium all we need is superb acting from michelle fairlry that shows her despair

  74. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    sati:
      

    I loved D&D but Catelyn is one of the characters they’ve written the worst. I don’t think they get her, and so it’s quite possible they could mess up her arc at the RW.

    Anyway, I vaguely skimmed over what this guy was saying, and it sounds believable enough. I don’t want to investigate it any more though – feel like I’ve read too much as it is, if indeed what he says is legitimate (I have no idea).

    My advice to everyone is to pretend this guy said nothing and just watch the episode on its own terms. Although perhaps bear in mind that it’s unlikely to live up to your imagination.

  75. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I had no idea about any spoilers, but I was just saying the same thing in another thread. I just looked at the thread over on imdb and I don’t get what the problem is? He basically says that Cat does go into shock/grief and she does slit some poor innocent’s throat. Is that not going mad? The only thing that she doesn’t do, supposedly, is laugh maniacally and claw her face to pieces. Also, she never says the stuff about her hair out loud, she only thinks it. I don’t know why people expected that to be said out loud.

  76. Garry
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    You’re not missing much. When you take out all the titles, you’re left with 20 seconds of footage, with no “scene” lasting more than 3 seconds.

    So it’s hardly a spoiler. It’s just a nice way to generate excitement.

  77. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Searching for the spoilers right now. I know linking is against the rules, but can someone give a few hints on how to find them. I’m not getting anything.

  78. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Good enough for me. Some things just don’t translate as well to a visual medium.

  79. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Unsullied # 98,

    Yeah. I think if they were trying to shed this pattern, they would have named the episode differently.

  80. barak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Timmen,

    I agree. Book readers are hyped up, non-readers have been getting hyped by readers since episode 1 to expect the Greatest Shocker Ever. The expectations are unreasonably high, at this rate D&D could deliver the greatest thing on television ever, and people would be still disappointed.

    Let’s just take a step back and think of what we can reasonably expect.

  81. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    As long as she slits an innocent mans throat and shows a great deal of emotion I’m happy. In a weird way. I couldn’t picture her clawing her face and really don’t mind if that part is skipped. Michelle will kill it in this episode. She does emotional scenes better than anyone in this series.

  82. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    DarkRavenous,

    I agreed with you at first, but now that I’ve been thinking about it I don’t know that it would have worked the way it was presented in the books. Just let Michelle Fairley do her thing, and not force her into a situation that would be incredibly difficult to pull off effectively. Think of the difficulty in acting like you’re losing your mind (which I can’t say I’ve ever seen done well on-screen) while also having to wear special-effects make-up that can be clawed away… That’s not just a logistical concern, but there are other concerns there, as well. Maybe Michelle didn’t feel that that was how she would react. Considering she’s lived with the character so amazingly well for these past few years, I think that she was probably integral in how this plays out for her character. It’s easy to forget, but film-making is a very collaborative medium, and there’s a lot of give-and-take. I’m not saying that it’s a free for all, but it’s plausible to think that she had some input on how she felt Cat would react in those moments (as I’m sure D&D, David Nutter, and her co-stars did, as well).

  83. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually pissed off at myself for skim reading this guys post. Would seriously advise you guys not to. What I saw though, was in agreement with what I was expecting to happen…I hear there’s some controversy about some points but I don’t want to know what that is! Definitely not rereading it.

    I’m glad that they pulled it off for the non-book reader though. However, the fact that he says it’s not the best episode this season and that “the ending is only rivaled by Ned Stark’s death” perhaps means that it won’t be as powerful as the books. For me the Red Wedding was quite a bit more upsetting than Ned’s death.

  84. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    I thought someone confirmed that Catelyn wouldn’t be taking a hostage and trying to get Walder to spare Robb’s life. This was what worried me. I want this scene to be in as I feel it shows her strength, as she is willing to sacrifice her own life to save Robb. Her emotional breakdown I imagine to be very different to the book but I’d love the whole scene to focus on her reaction mostly. I have faith Michelle will deliver a heart wrenching performance.

  85. Endless Giraffe
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I found it and read it. I doubt he is telling the truth now.

    He doesn’t mention any of the other storylines and is extremely vague. Also no mention of Arya, who you’d think would be a big deal at the wedding. Also no mention of the music.

  86. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    DarkRavenous,

    I agree. Cat’s reactions and perspectives are supremely important in this episode. I also hope we get Cat-Robb connection that is devastating. Also, I am hoping that Grey Wind gets many kills in as he tries to save Robb, but ultimately fails….maybe with Bran warging or Nymeria watching as well. Regardless, I will be sad/anxious to relive those gut-wrenching moments from ASOS chapters read in years past.

  87. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I can already see the truth to that comment, though. I’ve said it before but I believe one of the show’s most glaring missteps has been its refusal to highlight the other Northern houses who have a stake in the war, who unwaveringly support the cause. The chapter in the book had Dacey Mormont, the Greatjon and Smalljon, Manderly’s son, and various other Northern houses who were also decimated. Without those other heroic, tragic figures being familiar to viewers, it’s already not going to be as impactful as it otherwise might have been.

    Of course, there’s the off-chance that Greatjon reemerges, and we see Dacey prior to the shit going down and they successfully establish personalities for these other figures. But I think if they were going to do it they would have by now.

  88. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    That’s a good point. Although I wasn’t expecting the Arya cliff hanger to end the episode as I don’t think it’s as powerful as ending it with Catelyn.
    Zack,

    Agreed. I have no idea if this is true or not (don’t tell me), but I reckon Blackfish might die to replace those deaths, if you will. Would be controversial as he has a role to play later on, but I feel they need more important deaths. It’s a bloodbath, not a murder.

  89. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yup I’ll piggyback on ur thought. Some stuff just translate better in books then onscreen

  90. Timmen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    The person said the first line in the episode is Catelyn saying “Are you sure about this?” So you’ll know early if hes telling the truth. If he wasn’t I don’t think he would try to predict the first line of dialogue.

  91. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    Everything the poster released is 99.9% legitimate. I wasn’t buying that he’d seen the episode when I saw the post earlier in the day, but after doing a bit of research on his posting history there, he’s never given out false information before. He detailed Blackwater before it aired last season, and has revealed minor spoilers for Dexter for some time now. So, yeah; everything he said is totally legitimate. He even went so far as to say that the first line of the episode will be Catelyn saying, “Are you sure about this?” So I guess we’ll know at that point whether he was right or not, but as I said, it’s almost certain that he is.

  92. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    This is only his opinion, he says that the episode was awesome, but because it didn’t feature his favorite storyline(The Lannisters and KL) that he couldn’t say it was the best of the season. Keep in mind that he is not a book reader. As for the ending only being rivaled by Ned’s death, I take this as a compliment. I know I reacted more strongly to Ned’s death in the books.

  93. Shan
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Dude, some of us have spoilers turned off on this site because we’ve read the books. I was not expecting to have to worry about spoilers under the tags. Careful!

  94. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah, I guess it’s a personal thing based on which characters you’re invested in. Overall, he’s very positive about the ending, so as Tyrion would drunkedly say: “Nothing to worry about”.

    Alright, I’m off to bed.

  95. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea if this leak is real or not. I’m doing my best to avoid reading the details, just in case. Either way, I’d really rather we not discuss potentially leaked spoilers here. Speculation is fun. “Here is what happens” is not.

    But if you absolutely MUST discuss this potential leak, please, please clearly mark your post with SHOW SPOILERS!!!! at the top of your comment so that those who have their spoilers turned off won’t be unwittingly exposed to potential show spoilers. Thank you!

  96. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Like most people I’m certainly expecting great things from this episode, but let’s not preemptively bog it down with our lavish expectations. Particularly Catelyn totally losing it. That only works well in ASOS because we can hear the desperation in her mind, the broken heart singing out on the page beneath her unnerving laughter. How are they supposed to adapt that fully onscreen, all the little emotions at work there? The same goes for her digging into her own face. This is Tyrion’s nose all over again. I’d rather they simplify Stoneheart’s appearance anyway. They need her to be recognizable.

    Let’s settle down and sit back.

  97. House Snow
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Haha the only spoiler I want is an opinion of the show overall. If the leak is real I would be alittle scared if I were that guy. I get the impression that HBO plays hardball on that stuff and it would probably be pretty damn illegal for him to have a copy of the episode. Everyone ignores that lirrle warning at the beginning of copyrighted material but you can get hit pretty hard if someone catches you

  98. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Why is anyone dignifying the supposed IMDB spoiler here? Whether we agree with each other or not, WiC.net is great because of the discussions we fuel with our own thoughts (both read and unread), our firsthand impressions of the show, and the exciting tidbits we glean from reputable sources. I personalize don’t see a place for the presentation or discussion of leaks here, both confirmed and questionable. It’s entirely contrary to the spirit of this lovely corner of the fandom and the dialogue we foster.

    Leaks and the attention-starved individuals who break binding agreements to spread them with the ultimate outcome of stealing the show’s thunder are lower than gossip. They directly contribute to the preclusion of our authentic reaction to the show in real-time, no matter how you watch it. There is no defensible benefit in spreading them among dedicated fans.

  99. novichaso
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Let’s just stop talking about that guy… its totally irrelevant! the RW is still going to happen … that guy’s opinion on the episode is worth SHIT to me

  100. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Great so the episode we’ve been desperately awaiting for years is not even the best episode of this season. Kill me now.

  101. FouLou
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    SHOW SPOILERS

    He’s legit. I sent him personal messages on IMDB and he responded with answers. He’s also told us the first line of the episode. If anyone doubts him, feel free to send him a PM on the site and I’m sure he will respond. As for the spoilers, I think Cat clawing at her face is not needed at all.

  102. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand how these people get to see the episodes early. Even during last season a poster on this website had inside info on the episodes before they aired which always turned out to be legit. Does HBO send out screeners? Either way, I’m always a sucker for reading them. I never have the willpower to look away. In some cases it has helped prepare me for what is coming so that I am not hyper-critical when it airs, so I can’t complain, but I understand people not wanting to hear even the slightest spoiler of how it happens in the show. Hopefully there won’t be any leaks for the finale.

  103. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    TastesLikeTheSea,

    One person’s opinion, who still says the episode is awesome and the ending is the best of any of the episodes. I just re-read the RW chapter and the chapters leading up to it in the books and it is completely boring up until the wedding feast where the shit hits the fan. I don’t know why people thought an entire episode could be dedicated to this one event. Also keep in mind that there are no scenes with the Lannisters/KL/Jaime/Brienne or Stannis/Dragonstone. To me those have been the best storylines.

  104. Jeffe
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    The ultimate goal of these people is not ultimately to “steal the show’s thunder”. Maybe they just want to show off, maybe they want to share with fans who want to know, maybe they are truly trolling, maybe they’re not. I live and breathe Game of Thrones, and I read spoilery posts. Throughout my entire life, I always have “read ahead” so to speak when it comes to anticipated movies and shows. It’s a part of my own fandom. No one is holding anyone in a chair and forcing them to read posts or view leaked photos by people. All this righteous indignation the “true fans” throw at these people, talking about jailing or harming these people is ludicrous. Dude, it’s a show. First-world recreation. Many fans love these things by avoiding spoilers. Some are rabid and enjoy a sneak taste early. They’ll still intensely love the episode. They’ll still buy the movie ticket, they’ll still buy the show, they’ll still share their love with others. Being pissed at these spoilery “trolls” can legitimately be your response given the type of fan who are. It’s your right. Doesn’t mean it’s not legitimate for other people and it doesn’t fit with the type of fan they are.

  105. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    The closer we get the more I feel that D&D will make up for the loss of so many pivotal Northmen by having the Blackfish attend and be killed. After the RW he’s largely off-page, and Edmure is important, so… I suspect… SUSPECT… they’ll kill him. Talisa will slit Cat’s throat… maybe… I don’t know… C’mon Sunday!

  106. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprised that most people seem to have given up hope that we will see Coldhands this season. We know that Sam and Gilly meet Bran and Co. by the season finale. One of the previews even shows a brief image of Sam crawling out of the well. How would he find Bran if Coldhands doesn’t take him to them. We know Sam is going to be in ep 9 because he is in the”previously on” segment so I think there is a chance we may get Coldhands in this episode. If we don’t see Coldhands this season I really hope they don’t plan on editing him out of the story.

  107. Lann
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    I only hope this episode be a episode, which I’m not seeing in Game of Thrones. Be solid, just it. I don’t know but this is the moment in which D&D will probably just put a Theon’s 6 min scene in the middle of episode. Likewise, I still look foward to see a bunch of pre-RW scenes, with intelligent dialogues, a lot of Greywind and Catelyn explaning about the ‘laws’ of bread and salt and Robb’s worries. I’m expecting that Talisa will not have atention, she not deserves much screen time. And Jon, Bran and Queenscrown, with Jon’s leg hurt by a Ygritte’s arrow. And cut. And Dany, scheming about Yunkai and in the ending she’s staring at the city with her dragon’s shrieks…. And cut, I suppose there’s plenty 15 minutes to the bloody parts of RW. The unconfortable scenes of Storm of Swords are here, not in Theon’s underworld, gave 5 minutes to Catelyn suffer and scratch her face, ‘Jaime Lannister send his regards’ of Bolton, death of Greywind and the sewn of his head in Robb’s body. And Arya, she is getting to Saltpans without the idea of suffering what she suffers in Storm of Swords.

  108. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh:
    The closer we get the more I feel that D&D will make up for the loss of so many pivotal Northmen by having the Blackfish attend and be killed. After the RW he’s largely off-page, and Edmure is important, so… I suspect… SUSPECT… they’ll kill him. Talisa will slit Cat’s throat… maybe… I don’t know… C’mon Sunday!

    Mmm.. I think that’d be Talisa I mean she’d be the one to die to make things more dramatic. I dread it though cause I really like her

  109. Hounded
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Have you guys seen the designs of Roose Bolton’s sword on the wic tumblr page??
    So. Fucking. Cool.

  110. Mister Stark
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh,

    You know if that happens…that would surely be amazing.

  111. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    I personally refuse to believe anything posted by users on imdb. Does no one remember the “Roose Bolton teleports, Twyin does Shae doggy style” ‘spoiler’ from last episode?

  112. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    This guy is legit, he posted details about Blackwater last year before it aired and does it all the time on the Dexter board.

  113. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I call BS unless you can link me to the Blackwater post or one of his Dexter posts.

  114. ebevan91
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Have you guys seen the designs of Roose Bolton’s sword on the wic tumblr page??
    So. Fucking. Cool.

    Yeah. And there’s stills of 4 (actually like 6) characters.

  115. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Well, there’s less than 48 hours until the episode airs. Don’t really care if this guy is legit or not, nothing he said was really that surprising and I’d be fine if it played out like he said it does.

  116. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    I’d be really surprised if we see the Yunkai battle in this episode. I know there is a brief image of it in this preview but I think that is from the season finale. I can’t imagine how they would be able to fit that into this episode.

  117. thisone
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    barak: I agree. Book readers are hyped up, non-readers have been getting hyped by readers since episode 1 to expect the Greatest Shocker Ever. The expectations are unreasonably high, at this rate D&D could deliver the greatest thing on television ever, and people would be still disappointed.

    Let’s just take a step back and think of what we can reasonably expect.

    I wonder why a book reader would ever tell their unsullied friends something like that. My viewing party only expects “some really cool stuff and some big moments during S3 and S4″.

  118. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I still don’t know what is going on with Yunkai. It’s different than it is in the book. Will there really be a battle? There is really no opposition. All Yunkai has is mostly house slaves. It looks like Jorah,Grey Worm, and Daario get through the walls and are fighting, but what do they plan to do? Release the slaves? I hope we get some more Rhaegar exposition from Barristan while he is alone with Dany and the other 3 men are away.

  119. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    So excited and nervous and the same time. I hate it!

  120. MRR
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    What I’m actually looking forward to most is seeing how things play out with Arya and The Hound. I’ve read the books, so I know what to expect, but I think those scenes will be fun to see. We haven’t had a lot of time to see those characters interacting with each other, and I’m looking forward to more of it on the screen.

  121. MRR
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    I also really hope to see Grey Wind being held back outside of the Twins. I felt it was a very significant moment in the books.

    I wasn’t especially surprised by the Red Wedding while reading it—Catelyn warns against going to the Twins all the while, and book Catelyn is arguably much more canny than show Catelyn—but I found it moving nonetheless because of how well it was written.

  122. Josh Parker
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Hey, just found out there’s about to be a new child born to House Parker! Quick, anyone know where I can get a onesie with a direwolf on it that has white goop on its face saying “Spitup is Coming”?

  123. Kelsey Catherine
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    So, I’m a sullied, read the first three books in 2000, when I was a wee 9th grader….

    I usually leave the ‘show spoilers’ on, but the warning made me turn them off…..and now I’m like, FUCK I WANT TO KNOW….AH! SUNDAY!

  124. Rita Jones
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:45 am | Permalink

    That wasn’t a spoiler. He just said he was left stunned at the end. Since even non-book readers should have a hint that this episode will be a big’un (it is #9, after all), I don’t understand why everyone is getting in a tizzy about it, even if he did legitimately get his hands on the episode early. His spoiler spoils nothing.

  125. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Sunday is going to be a melt-down for non-readers and readers alike. Unsullied will be shocked and sullied will probably think they did the scene no justice.

  126. kelly
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Rita Jones,

    NON-SPECIFIC SPOILER BELOW
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    His initial post really isn’t a spoiler like you said. But he does end up legitimately spoiling some things in response to people calling him a fraud. He gives more details in his responses in the “Jkrishan is a fake” thread. He give the first line of dialogue in the opening scene and describes the final scene in a lot of detail.

    So don’t read over there at all if you want to stay unspoiled.

  127. Astonished
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    Shock Me Sane:
    Sunday is going to be a melt-down for non-readers and readers alike. Unsullied will be shocked and sullied will probably think they did the scene no justice.

    My prediction is one of my friends will download without paying for it, then I’ll watch it around Wednesday and think: “meh. (could be worse and could be better).” And that’s okay.

  128. Isabelle
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    “Show them how it feels to lose what they love.” – Catelyn Stark

    D&D: “Oh, we will.”

    We’re going to see the RW in less than 48 hours. Two days. I am honestly getting chills already!!! Have a mass of Thrones-related stuff on my Kindle to read to try and pass the time, but the anticipation is maddening! I don’t think I’ve ever felt this way about a form of media before.

  129. Icebird
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    Probably the only thing I’m nervous about in this episode is I want all of the “Talisa is a spy” people to get proven wrong. I want Robb’s relationship to be a truly great one – he deserves it and his storyline with Talisa is probably his best storyline of the season. I trust D&D will pull of the rest. This season has been magnificent thus far.

    Really looking forward to Queenscrown. It’s one of my favorite sequences in the book.

    I hope they end the episode with Arya’s cliffhanger. I think Arya’s final moments at the Red Wedding would have more of an impact if it’s at the end. I could see them doing it right at the beginning of ep. 10 and then not showing Arya on screen again until Season 4. I think Renly’s death would have had a greater impact if it ended episode 4 in Season 2.

  130. Isabelle
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker:
    Hey, just found out there’s about to be a new child born to House Parker! Quick, anyone know where I can get a onesie with a direwolf on it that has white goop on its face saying “Spitup is Coming”?

    Congratulations!!! And hey, you’ve given us one good thing to think about, considering the nature of this particular thread/episode : )

    Have a look at these:

    http://www.etsy.com/search?q=game%20of%20thrones%20onesie&view_type=gallery&ship_to=US

    You can probably contact any of the sellers to custom-order that onesie.

    Here are some generic ones, still brilliant fun:

    http://www.cafepress.com/+games-of-thrones+baby-bodysuits

  131. MRR
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    Icebird: I could see them doing it right at the beginning of ep. 10 and then not showing Arya on screen again until Season 4.

    That’s what I believe they will do.

  132. Serena
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    Icebird:
    Probably the only thing I’m nervous about in this episode is I want all of the “Talisa is a spy” people to get proven wrong.I want Robb’s relationship to be a truly great one – he deserves it and his storyline with Talisa is probably his best storyline of the season.I trust D&D will pull of the rest.This season has been magnificent thus far.

    I hope so too. I also want the love story to be true and real.

  133. Modiglian
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    As long as D&D don’t pull another “Fist of the First Men” out of their buttocks, it’s fine.

    If they do and all they show it´s a black screen with fighting sounds and then the aftermath… that’ll suck.

    That guy at imdb can go lick camel nuts for all I care.

  134. Ser Tahu
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Modiglian,

    I’m pretty sure the reason they cut out the fight at the Fist of the First Men was so they could show the massacre at The Twins and the battle at Yunkai (although I personally would have preferred the Fist to Yunkai). I just don’t think they had a big enough budget for all 3.

  135. Rhys
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Showing a battle with WW is always going to be difficult. Having several people in full costume and makeup doing all sorts of action/stunt scenes?

  136. Nancy
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Serena,

    I agree with both you and Icebird about Talisa. Robb and Talisa are one of the few love stories on this show and I would hope that she is not playing him

    Josh Parker, Congrats on the new little Parker! If they don’t have a direwolf onesie at the HBO store, maybe try Cafe Press?

    I know the actors will knock this episode out of the park and I am positive it will be well done. D&D have been looking forward to this one since they started adapting the show…But I am dreading seeing it on my screen. Ned’s death shocked me. I had to re-read the chapter to believe that it actually happened. When the RW occurred, I just kept saying “F-you, George. F- you.”

  137. Kalamies
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    I can’t hold my tears tomorrow

  138. Brian
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Remember when we were promised longer episodes this season? That they were so much longer than it would add up to a full episode’s runtime? Looks like that was a lie, doesn’t it?

    SHOW SPOILERS!!!

    Also looks like Coldhands has definitely been cut. Confirmed by the 100% proven reliable IMDB poster that he’s not in this episode, Sam meets Bran next week, I seriously doubt they’ll have Sam meet Coldhands and then Bran all in one episode.

  139. Aemon
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Brian:
    Remember when we were promised longer episodes this season?That they were so much longer than it would add up to a full episode’s runtime?Looks like that was a lie, doesn’t it?

    SHOW SPOILERS!!!

    Also looks like Coldhands has definitely been cut.Confirmed by the 100% proven reliable IMDB poster that he’s not in this episode, Sam meets Bran next week, I seriously doubt they’ll have Sam meet Coldhands and then Bran all in one episode.

    Cut from this season, perhaps, but there’s no reason they can’t introduce him next season if they even need to.

  140. Arkash
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Expectations :

    - Arya and the Hound maybe tracked down by Anguy and some BWB members.

    - Coldhands !!!!

    - An amazing Queenscrown ! I want this scene to be fantastic !!!!

    - Some developement I’m sure we’ll have in the Bran’s story line ! Info dump please !

    - The Red Wedding, of course !

    The only part of the episode that enthusiasms me less is Dany.

  141. Turri
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    I want to see Barristan cutting through some enemy lines.

  142. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I don’t know why I’m fixated on this but I’m especially interested in what happens with Talisa in this episode, since she is intentionally written very differently from the books:

    1) She dies at the wedding, gut-wrenching scene, and all “Robb’s heir” threads die with her.
    2) She and Blackfish barely escape the RW and head back to Riverrun and hence the story more or less aligns with the books from then on
    3) She is traitor working with the Lions

    There must be a reason she is accompanying Robb to the Twins…she has no reason to be there, for safety and strategy reasons.

  143. Rhys
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    I don’t know why I’m fixated on this but I’m especially interested in what happens with Talisa in this episode, since she is intentionally written very differently from the books:

    1) She dies at the wedding, gut-wrenching scene, and all “Robb’s heir” threads die with her.
    2) She and Blackfish barely escape the RW and head back to Riverrun and hence the story more or less aligns with the books from then on
    3) She is traitor working with the Lions

    There must be a reason she is accompanying Robb to the Twins…she has no reason to be there, for safety and strategy reasons.

    A fourth option is that she might be abducted by Roose and held captive by the Boltons to ensure Northern loyalty (mother of the last Stark), as a substitute for the fake Arya plot.

  144. Magnar of Thenn
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Is there a link? I have zero patience and must read what happens! lol

    babar: how he gets the episodes before they air, but this guy is legit. He posted some spoilers about Blackwater last year, and sever

  145. sunspear
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I’d be really surprised if we see the Yunkai battle in this episode.I know there is a brief image of it in this preview but I think that is from the season finale.I can’t imagine how they would be able to fit that into this episode.

    Well, unlike a lot of other people, I always thought that they would put off Arya and the Hounds fighting outside the twins and the Robb/Greywind crossover until the begininning of episode 10. That would give them enough time.

  146. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Very interesting option!
    Merci

  147. queenofthorns
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Mwhaha… I’ve gotten my brother caught up on both Season 2 and Season 3 this week (just in time for this episode!). Now I just need to rearrange the furniture so I can see his reactions in real time, trololol… :p

    Book only spoilers re: Dany storyline:

    From the preview it seems as if the Yunkai battle is taking on some of the characteristics of the Meereen battle. In the books there was a battle at Yunkai but it was outside the city walls and was mostly a rout due to Dany’s duping everyone ahead of time. I think Jorah says they have like 20 casualties because the surrender was so fast. In the preview it seems like Jorah is upset because he will be relying on Daario’s forces opening the gates. Which is kinda stupid given that she just met him. Dany of the book was careful to set things up so that even if Daario betrayed her, it wouldn’t turn the battle (she puts his forces in a position where it would be difficult for them to attack her forces). I don’t like the continued reduction of her natural tactical skill (especially given Robb’s still being portrayed as a prodigy).

    Anyway I also wonder what they are going to do with Meereen to make it interesting if they are borrowing the “open the gates from the inside” thing. Maybe they’ll do the duel with Belwas or a replacement and spend more time on build up of Dany’s forces being starving and desperate… Seeing crucified children, etc.

  148. Neosmith
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    What I hope happens to Arya — prediction. part spoiler

    I’m not a fan of the Undead Catelyn plot line, so I’m hoping the series actually has the mind to change things up and do with Arya what was done with Catelyn.

    To me, it’s make a lot more sense for Thoros/Beric on the series to bring Arya back after she dies at the RW or in its aftermath.

    In other words, I predict that Arya will die as well and then the Brotherhood revives her. And then the Undead Catelyn plot is avoided on the show.

  149. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Neosmith:
    What I hope happens to Arya — prediction. part spoiler

    I’m nota fan of the Undead Catelyn plot line, so I’m hoping the series actually has the mind to change things up and do with Arya what was done with Catelyn.


    To me, it’s make a lot more sense for Thoros/Beric on the series to bring Arya back after she dies at the RW or in its aftermath.

    In other words, I predict that Arya will die as well and then the Brotherhood revives her. And then the Undead Catelyn plot is avoided on the show.

    I really don’t think they would change something like that.

  150. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Yeah, going with Rhys option #4. It makes more TV sense than the book version. Whether or not she is a spy is really more interesting to me, they have certainly laid the groundwork for it.

    Am I the only one looking more forward to the Unsullied reactions than the actual episode? I hope twitter has stabilized their servers in preparation.

  151. TastesLikeTheSea
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Everyone record an unsullied’s reaction and post it to youtube, I loved watching those for Baelor.

  152. JamesL
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Brian,

    I really hope they don’t plan on cutting such an awesome character out of the show completely. I’ve been really looking forward to seeing him on the show and I normally don’t complain about changes or editing out some characters but I will be extremely disappointed if he never shows up in the show. Hopefully Bran and the Reeds will run into him next season. He doesn’t need to ride an elk in the show just give him a horse.

  153. Judd
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Get ready for episode 9 by watching
    “The Rains Of Castamere” by the Band Of Thrones

    http://youtu.be/7_PV7GLOrA8

  154. Fabian
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I always find it really interesting how differently people rate the importance of different characters and scenes.

    Take for example Coldhands – I have read all the books relatively recently (since 2007) and am usually good in remembering characters and storylines – but I don’t remember that one AT ALL. Same goes for the entire Wall-storyline after the Wildling-Watch-confrontation.

    As for the RW, how do you expect them to put Catelyn’s thoughts in? No, the series needs to find its own variant, and it looks like it will. Stoneheart, by the way, is another one of these character I don’t really care about or for – I felt that entire storyline was a bit cheap and don’t remember much about it either.

    Now the RW itself though – that’s going to be something to look forward to…

  155. Paul
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Rhys: A fourth option is that she might be abducted by Roose and held captive by the Boltons to ensure Northern loyalty (mother of the last Stark), as a substitute for the fake Arya plot.

    *applause*

    After reading that I’m pretty confident that’s what they’ll do. It allows them to condense the number of characters and

    keeps a familiar face around. Talisa and Theon’s escape will be more impactful that way, and it allows the Ramsay Bolton torture scenes to have more of a purpose. It will also make the Boltons more prominent in the minds of non-readers, which is good because they become very important in ADWD.

    I’d be shocked if anything else happened at this point.

  156. Kate
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Michelle Fairley is one of the best (and under-appreciated) actors in the production. Tomorrow will be her night.

    I’m expecting an intense episode, but I do think the show erred slightly in excluding the other Northern lords. I’m expecting them to fill the void of Dacey/Smalljon/etc. with the death of Talisa.

    I don’t really know what else to say. I’m overwhelmed already. I’LL NEVER BE READY YOU GUYS :(.

  157. Joan Català
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Paul,

    My thoughts have been all along that Talisa will be married off to Ramsay in place of the FakeArya plot, rather than have her be just a prisoner. That way Ramsay becomes Lord of Winterfell and it’s much more horrible for viewers. I’ll be very surprised if it doesn’t happen that way (or a variation of it) because she’s the only candidate for that storyline, and they can’t just ignore it. Theon has to rescue someone down the line to redeem himself. Jeyne dissapeared after the pilot, and Ros, which was the other (less likely) candidate, is no longer around.

  158. babar
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Neosmith,

    Well, I’m just glad you’re not a writer for the show.

  159. Nic
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Agree, this makes sense.

  160. Zack
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Wow. Good call. I don’t see how this doesn’t happen…

  161. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    Fun! I’m on the edge of wetness here.

    But what about Blackfish?
    1) Escape back to Riverrun, or 2) Die mercilessly in front of Edmure, or 3) Also held captive?

  162. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    I like show Stannis better than book Stannis. Perhaps because it’s more apparent that he won’t kill innocents to further his glory. He seems to have more of a conscience than he does in the books. I can see him being more of a kingly figure than he was for me in the novels.

  163. Qyburning Man
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if they will actually have Cat killed by getting her throat slit, in order to allow Michelle Fairley to be able to speak as Lady Stoneheart when she turns up from time to time in the future.

    I’m not sure how much she’d be thrilled to play a mute.

  164. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    that’d be cool, i like this idea

  165. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Qyburning Man,

    Yes, but playing a character that has to speak with a hole in her throat would be quite a role no? I don’t think of her so much as a mute than as someone who has a gurgling or rough type voice because her throat has been cut.

  166. Rickon Greyjoy
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    yeah, i’ve just translated my real name into the most appropriate westerosi translation. Richard is Rickon.. and just felt greyjoy was the house that most represented me because of the fisherman mentality that is cape breton island. Thanks for asking tho!

  167. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    As a Sullied, I’m afraid to read the spoilers.
    I’M SO DAMN NERVOUS FOR THIS EPISODE

  168. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Sayonara Robb. Nice knowing ya.

  169. Hassan Madkour
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    I really want this episode to end with Arya seeing the bloodbath, then getting smacked on the head. It’ll get Unsullied thinking she’s dead too

  170. mariamb18
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Kate:
    Michelle Fairley is one of the best (and under-appreciated) actors in the production.Tomorrow will be her night.

    I’m expecting an intense episode, but I do think the show erred slightly in excluding the other Northern lords.I’m expecting them to fill the void of Dacey/Smalljon/etc. with the death of Talisa.

    Hopefully Michelle will receive the kudos that she deserves after tomorrow’s episode.

    Agree about the omission of the Northern lords. It was devasting in the books because nearly every Northern house lost someone. I’ve long suspected that Talisa may “stand in” for Dacey. Also, I wonder if the Blackfish will be taken prisoner since we don’t have the Greatjon. As long as the Blackish doesn’t die; I won’t do well with that.

  171. purplejilly
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I feel like i felt when Viserys was about to get his golden crown – excited to see a really cool thing play out on screen, but stressed about what it meant in the long run.

  172. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Samples of the season 3 soundtrack are up!!!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/device/mp3/store/album/B00D4IFD4I

  173. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Hassan Madkour:
    I really want this episode to end with Arya seeing the bloodbath, then getting smacked on the head. It’ll get Unsullied thinking she’s dead too

    That Arya “cliffhanger” is too obvious. Hell, I new she wasn’t dead right away after reading it.

  174. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Hi,

    are you the same person, that posted as lady_sati on imdb?

    Cheers,
    Sven

  175. unsulliedP
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Random question. Have there been any dire wolves this season? Or Any mention of benjen stark? I’ve read the first 2 books and unfortunately I think I got spoiled for tomorrow, but know nothing after that. Thanks!

  176. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Vovin:
    sati,

    Hi,

    are you the same person, that posted as lady_sati on imdb?

    Cheers,
    Sven

    Yep.

  177. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    unsulliedP,

    Unfortunately, the beloved direwolves have only been distant background figures during season 3. I only recall seeing Grey Wind in the background while Karstark was getting beheaded. I was hoping that we would get more direwolf action and warging perspective this season. Personally, I see the wolves as critical symbolism of Stark survival and perseverance in the series. Holding out hope for episode 9 & 10 and next season though!

  178. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    unsulliedP:
    Random question. Have there been any dire wolves this season? Or Any mention of benjen stark? I’ve read the first 2 books and unfortunately I think I got spoiled for tomorrow, but know nothing after that. Thanks!

    No mention of Benjen from what I remember but we saw two glimpses of GreyWind, a bit of Ghost and Summer – the last one had the most screentime among them.

  179. Walter_Eagle
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Confirmed appearing: Arya, Sandor, Robb, Catelyn, Edmure, Walder, Roose, Talisa, Jon, Ygritte, Tormund, Orell, Bran, Jojen, Meera, Rickon, Osha, Hodor, Sam, Gilly, Daenerys, Jorah, Daario, Grey Worm, Roslin.

    Probably: Missandei, Barristan, Brynden.

    Possibly: Mance, Theon, Ramsay.

    Unlikely: Tyrion, Sansa, Cersei, Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Shae, Joffrey, Margaery, Bronn, Davos, Stannis, Melisandre, Jaime, Gendry.

  180. GeekFurious
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    To those people who are in denial about the leak… I am going to bet money it is totally accurate. I have wondered if they would pull the trigger on the moment some of you are upset about them not including. It is just difficult to make a non-book reading audience understand that character’s choice without having all those descriptions about state-of-mind like we did with the book.

    In the end, I am not shocked by the omission. If anything, I’d have been surprised if they had included it.

  181. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    sati: Yep.

    You are mean, then. What you have written on the imdb forums in response to the guy that has (allegedly) seen the episode early was just rude, spiteful and utterly unfair. If this is your normal attitude you’re a bad person.

    Sorry, for jumping at you in this manner, but I really had to say this. In German there is the word “Fremdschämen” – to be ashamed for someone else. Your comments were so cringeworthy I couldn’t stomach to read ahead and had to stop several times due to oubursts of “Fremdscham”. I felt so very sorry for this guy that was mobbed by you and some others in this horribly unfair and cruel way even though he obviously tried very hard to please you/defend himself. If I had an imdb account I would have posted there.

    You should apologize.

  182. Kate
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    To be honest, I hadn’t really considered what would happen with the Blackfish, as I forgot he’s even going! The epic question about Brynden is whether or not he is relevant in the story past his escape from Riverrun. If so, I think he’ll either escape somehow, or more likely, be held prisoner (perhaps in place of Greatjon). Then he could still have his escape down the line. If his story in the books is done, or if D&D hate everything good and holy, then maybe they’ll kill him. I won’t be able to deal with that.

    Rhys,
    That’s a really good idea and I think it work out well. But I don’t understand: they’d either have to write in Robb’s child, or abort her baby (in which case, she’d be worthless). Do you see it a different way?

  183. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Vovin:
    sati,

    You are mean, then. What you have written on the imdb forums in response to the guy that has (allegedly) seen the episode early was just rude, spiteful and utterly unfair. If this is your normal attitude you’re a bad person.

    Sorry, for jumping at you in this manner, but I really had to say this. In German there is the word “Fremdschämen” – to be ashamed for someone else. Your comments were so cringeworthy I couldn’t stomach to read ahead and had to stop several times due to oubursts of “Fremdscham”. I felt so very sorry for this guy that was mobbed by you and some others in this horribly unfair and cruel way even though he obviously tried very hard to please you/defend himself. If I had an imdb account I would have posted there.

    You should apologize.

    Right I’m sure going to apologize to someone who leaked confidential material probably breaking a lot of contractual responsibilities in doing so and did so solely to get attention.

  184. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Vovin,

    I once read about a gentleman at the local cinema who shouted out “He is actually dead!” at the beginning of “The Sixth Sense” . The crowd tolerated it for a while but when the reveal happened later in the movie, the crowd jumped on him and tore him to pieces. An incredible bloodbath straight from the Middle Ages.
    ….oh sorry, that is what I wish would have happened. Security just escorted him out of the theatre with no further incident.

    Attention whores who violate industry NDAs have no place in speculative blogs.

  185. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    sati: Right I’m sure going to apologize to someone who leaked confidential material probably breaking a lot of contractual responsibilities in doing so and did so solely to get attention.

    See, that’s the attitude I am speaking of. Even if you don’t like his initially spoiler-free short review, you have to acknowledge that other are grateful for the very same review. Your preferences are no reason to start to mob somebody.

    You don’t know if he broke any contracts. And you don’t know if he has posted only for attention. Those are only assumptions and your refusal to take anything else into consideration shows your bias. You have called him a fraud, an attention-seeker, a spoiler-monger and a criminal. Even if the last three are true, you should apologize for accusing him of posting false information if that notion is proven wrong tomorrow.

  186. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Vovin: See, that’s the attitude I am speaking of. Even if you don’t like his initially spoiler-free short review, you have to acknowledge that other are grateful for the very same review. Your preferences are no reason to start to mob somebody.

    You don’t know if he broke any contracts. And you don’t know if he has posted only for attention. Those areonly assumptions and your refusal to take anything else into consideration shows your bias. You have called him a fraud, an attention-seeker, a spoiler-monger and a criminal. Even if the last three are true, you should apologize for accusing him of posting false information if that notion is proven wrong tomorrow.

    You seem to be confused where you are. You are jumping into discussion on a speculation comment section to demand I apologize to someone? Are you feeling all right?

  187. Olenna
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Vovin: See, that’s the attitude I am speaking of. Even if you don’t like his initially spoiler-free short review, you have to acknowledge that other are grateful for the very same review. Your preferences are no reason to start to mob somebody.

    You don’t know if he broke any contracts. And you don’t know if he has posted only for attention. Those areonly assumptions and your refusal to take anything else into consideration shows your bias. You have called him a fraud, an attention-seeker, a spoiler-monger and a criminal. Even if the last three are true, you should apologize for accusing him of posting false information if that notion is proven wrong tomorrow.

    I agree with you. I’m not demanding that anyone apologize to anyone, cause honestly, it’s none of my business, and not my place to do so. But the guy didn’t even post any spoilers initially. It was when other posters started asking questions that he gave some spoilers away and then he gave plenty of warning, so you could avoid them if you wanted to. I’m one of the people who are grateful for the info, at any rate :)

  188. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Vovin,

    I once read about a gentleman at the local cinema who shouted out “He is actually dead!” at the beginning of “The Sixth Sense” . The crowd tolerated it for a while but when the reveal happened later in the movie, the crowd jumped on him and tore him to pieces. An incredible bloodbath straight from the Middle Ages.
    ….oh sorry, that is what I wish would have happened. Security just escorted him out of the theatre with no further incident.

    Attention whores who violate industry NDAs have no place in speculative blogs.

    He hasn’t spoiled anything initially. He has pasted a decidedly spoiler-free review (even for unsullied). Then some posters started to call him a fraud. While being sceptic and take such rumours with a pinch of salt is good practice, sati and some others outright called him a liar. Only then he posted more details – after making it very clear for everyone that his comment will contain major spoilers. Initially there were no spoilers.

    And people like him have a place in entertainment forums. Rumours, leaks and news are fun. Maybe not for you or sati, but for some people definately. Even if he is an attention whore, he has done a great service to a part of the community without harming the other part of the community, i.e. spoiling anything.

    If we stay true to your Sixth Sense analogy. He would have told everyone before the film started what an awesome film this is without telling anything about the story. Then someone from the crowd would accuse him of being a liar which led him to go outside the show room and whisper to everyone who agrees to hear some important plot details that prove that he has already seen the film.

  189. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Vovin,

    I just caught you in your own fallacy. That was too easy. By not posting spoiler tags, like I did, you just ruined that movie for the Shymalan Unsullied. :-))))

    Please keep the IMDB trash on IMDB, where it belongs. This is a speculative site.

  190. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    sati: You seem to be confused where you are. You are jumping into discussion on a speculation comment section to demand I apologize to someone?Are you feeling all right?

    Yes, it’s naive. But I hink it was the right thing to do nonetheless.

  191. Vovin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Vovin,

    I just caught you in your own fallacy. That was too easy. By not posting spoiler tags, like I did, you just ruined that movie for the Shymalan Unsullied. :-))))

    Please keep the IMDB trash on IMDB, where it belongs. This is a speculative site.

    Which fallacy? I have forgot to erase your quote. That was a mistake and I hope I haven’t ruined this classic film for anyone .

    But I don’t see how this effects the argument. The guy on imdb – unlike me – was very careful to avoid any spoilers or make it very clear that spoilers are following later on.

  192. Daniel
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I am so not looking forward to this episode. If it was all in one location I wouldn’t even watch it. There hasn’t even been a build up…

  193. Dornish Girl
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    I am vacationing in Dublin (from US) and can’t find accommodations with Sky Atlantic! Does anyone know of a hotel with Sky Atlantic or a GOT group viewing in the city? Or does anyone want to have me, my husband, my cousin, and her husband over for the show? We are very good guests. ; )

  194. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Vovin,

    I’m cool. I understand your perspective. Sort of like the Chinese hackers who like to steal defense technology and gain deadly military knowledge the easy way, then give it to 3rd-world countries for good trade deals. (not smiling, it’s serious)….yeah, my analogies suck.

    Actually, I simply was being valiant toward Sati and her/his/its speculations, which I respect, on this site. I don’t know of her/his/its actions on the IMDB site, but he/she/it doesn’t need to be reprimanded here. Please keep it on IMDB.

  195. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Are we going to get a curtain call for Michelle Fairley(Cat Stark) after this episode? Unsullied might become suspicious if there is none ;)

  196. Arthur
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Well…

    From what I just read on the IMDb boards from this notorious spoiler guy, in almost his own words he says that he normally stays away from the GoT boards because he is a non-book reader and doesn’t want to get spoiled but he felt the urge to come on and talk about episode 9 of season 3 (like he did with episode 9 of season 2) because it was such an excellent episode.

    So basically this guy watched episode 9 of season 3 and felt compelled to go share his excitement with the fanbase of how excellent it was. And remenber this is coming from a self proclaimed Lannister lover, he said himself he is not that interested in other storylines.

    So IMO, this is good news. It goes to show that the episode will have great impact even to people who aren’t concerned with the characters this episode affects the most.

    I have 4 work associates I talk about the show with. They are non-book casual TV viewers. I really can’t wait to see what that think.

  197. Mister Stark
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Good point…

  198. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    anyone think Cat is going to take Lame Lothar hostage. They did emphasize his limp in ep 6.

  199. Neosmith
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    I’m just approaching it from the perspective of how it would make sense to condense and re-work certain things for the adaptation, to predict how the writers’ minds might work. But I’m probably way off base. I was pretty sure Theon would not make it to Season 3, but he has.

    Also, seeing Bran’s dream/flashbacks earlier gave me hope they might do some flashbacks/visions with Theon as well but that didn’t happen unfortunately, which I think is a waste, as it could provide Alfie Allen a larger variety of scenes.

    I remember Potter fans thought I was insane for suggesting some notable departures from the books, like omitting Book 3 from film adaptation entirely because I thought it was largely filler.

    Anyway, if I were a writer on the show, I’d definitely vouch for that choice. I think it’d make for better storytelling overall.

  200. babar
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    1. Good luck “banning” someone from a website. You need to ban a whole geographic area for it to be effective (and then, there is still the possibility to use a proxy).

    2. He/she didn’t stalk anybody. Most likely, he/she frequents both sites and recognized the nickname.

    3. He/she wasn’t rude, so I really don’t get what your problem is. This is far from being the first argument on this website.

  201. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    Knee jerk reaction. The presumption “you should apologize” just angered me. I changed my comment so let’s drop the matter. Cool?

  202. Kraken
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Vovin,

    I’m glad somebody else shares the same perspective on this stupid spoiler matter; the dude wasn’t looking for attention. He was just awestruck and felt the need to share to those that want to view it, and he adequately warned those not wanting to be spoiled. No need to be an ass over the internet to the dude.

    Anyway, sounds like a great episode.

  203. Arthur
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Kraken,

    Exactly!

    From what my research gathered, the IMDb poster was just really excited and wanted to tell the GoT fanbase the coming episode was amazing…

    Then people kept calling him fake and liar and asking him specific questions so he could prove to them he wasn’t a liar. He answered a few and gave advance spoiler alerts. Then it kind of snowballed a little from there because people were manipulating him to tell more and more…

    Bottom line is this is a guy that saw the episode and just felt the need, because of his excitement after the episode, to share the news with other GoT fans. Like he did with Blackwater…

    Now the question of what he did being right or wrong is a whole other matter…

  204. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I wonder who will slit Cat’s throat? I’m guessing Black Walder. Lame Lothar is lame, but he still seems to be big enough that he could defend himself.

  205. Rebecca
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m kinda glad I read the spoilers (not posting the spoiler but just in case someone is psychic enough to guess just because one of them would have been, just because of timing/real life for me right now, really upsetting for me see without expecting it in advance. If it turns out to be fake, no harm, if it’s real, at least I was warned….

  206. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Rebecca,

    I take it your unsullied?

  207. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I dunno. If Cat’s blood is pumping with adrenaline fed by desperation and anger, she would have a temporary heightened strength that could catch Lothar by surprise if she accosts him. So it’s possible. We know Jinglebell wasn’t cast… Or was he? Maybe a featured extra? Maybe Benioff himself making a cameo? Maybe Dan Hildebrand pulling off another secondary role? I just really hope we get the Cat/hostage scene. It’s such a great moment for the character and to me it’s the defining element of the RW.

    Have you seen Roose’s sword on tumblr? So badass. I wonder if he will be in armour?
    Fairley and McElhatton are going to knock this out of the park. As much as I love Joff/Jack Gleeson, the subtle work of McElhatton has floored me thus far. It’s the Boltons turn for big villainy now. By late Sunday night he will be hated by millions.

  208. Throner
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    I think that tomorrow’s episode particularly the RW may be the biggest tragedy on a television show. I really can’t think of any other scene in a show that has been as heartbreaking as this could be

  209. Monica
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m sullied, went to IMDb, and read the posts. I think they are legitimate, and can’t wait until tomorrow!

    Blackfish has to escape. Doesn’t he refuse to surrender Riverrun to Jaime, later?

    It doesn’t make sense that Robb took Talisa to the wedding. Why take that kind of risk? In the book, the Westerlings stayed home. Will there be a will?

    What’s the timing here? Will Arya arrive at the RW in time to hear the screaming, after all her efforts to be reunited with family? Will the Hound stop her from running in to save her mother, as in the books?

    What about Grey Wolf? In the books, his demise is almost as gut-wrenching as Robb’s. Will we see Robb’s new head? Is the other one sent to the Lannisters?

    Finally, I’d like to see Nymeria pull Cat out of the water in episode 10, and Beric give his life to Cat, “for the realm.”

    The spoiler didn’t show a lot. Is that enough speculation?

    Thanks to WiC for all the uploaded videos!

  210. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Throner:
    I think that tomorrow’s episode particularly the RW may be the biggest tragedy on a television show. I really can’t think of any other scene in a show that has been as heartbreaking as this could be

    Same here. There were some surprising deaths in The Sopranos and Boardwalk Empire but this is just…brutal.

  211. Ser Justin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    I have been looking forward to this episode ever since I read the book. I’m really hoping that D&D do it justice. Sometimes it’s really difficult being a sullied because I can’t really hold back my expectations. And this is one event that is tasking to not have expectations.

    I really hope that they start Episode 10 with Arya and the Hound at the twins. It would be best to end Episode 9 on Cat. I’m also praying that they don’t try to pack this episode with a bunch of fodder. They’ve been passing over fantastic moments and characters for unnecessary dialogue and pointless character development, i.e Tyrion and Sanas’s wedding. I am really hoping that D&D don’t cut Coldhands. I really love the presence his character has in the books.

    Is it Sunday night yet?!

  212. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Anyone know if Nymeria will be making an appearance this episode or next?

  213. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Ser Justin,

    If they cut Coldhands than most likely he was just a Red Herring

  214. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Anyone know if Nymeria will be making an appearance this episode or next?

    Is she going to make appearance at all his season? Was it confirmed somewhere?

  215. The Flayed Man
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Samples of the season 3 soundtrack are up!!!

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/dmusic/device/mp3/store/album/B00D4IFD4I

    “The Lannisters Send Their Regards” sounds horrific…as in it brings up all the right emotions :(

  216. Ser Justin
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    That’s a good point but I guess I’m just hopeful that he isn’t a “Red Herring.”

  217. Rebecca
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Nope, I read the books, the specific spoiler was not something that happened in the books.

  218. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Monica,

    I think ur post could use another spoiler tag or 10

  219. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    I’m dying to know what the song “For the Realm” means. Can’t wait for the final 2 episodes!

  220. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    sati: she going to make appearance at all his season? Was it confirmed somewhere?

    I have no idea but I really hope she does.

  221. Gage
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Hey sati I recognize you from Westeros

    Do you think the imdb poster is legit? So many people think he is but…
    I’m trying to convince myself it’s fake but I don’t know… This whole leaked spoiler thing is getting really irritating

  222. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Just wondering….for ep 10:
    Nymeria discovers the Robb/Grey Wind monstrosity, sniffs, growls, whimpers….then finds Cats body in the river…drags the body out of the water and to an area where Beric/Thoros are…they realize what should/could be done…Nymeria then wanders off, following Arya….

  223. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Gage:
    sati,

    Hey sati I recognize you from Westeros

    Do you think the imdb poster is legit? So many people think he is but…
    I’m trying to convince myself it’s fake but I don’t know… This whole leaked spoiler thing is getting really irritating

    Hey! Nice to see people from there here, WiC and Westeros are awesome unlike that imdb fight club thing :)

    To be honest if he is telling the truth his efforts were so vague I think there is room for a bunch of details he didn’t write about to be in the scene. I’m just hoping for Cat laughing and clawing her face to be in.

  224. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Yeah. If that is the end credits song for episode 310 then I’m not sure what the final scene could be. It sounds as though it is implying sadness mixed with duty. It could be after they find Cat’s body, but it doesn’t sound as though she has awakened. It would also fit in with Jon’s story.

  225. Endless Giraffe
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    I am thinking he is legit now, but I am still suspicious. The scene he described sounds like a minute and a half. So their either must be allot he didn’t talk about or he is lying. We already know it is longer than that.

    He also doesn’t mention any characters but Robb and Cat, which is a little bit suspicious. You’d think he would at least mention Arya.

  226. Gage
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    sati: Hey! Nice to see people from there here, WiC and Westeros are awesome unlike that imdb fight club thing :)

    To be honest if he is telling the truth his efforts were so vague I think there is room for a bunch of details he didn’t write about to be in the scene. I’m just hoping for Cat laughing and clawing her face to be in.

    My username over there is WolframTarant, though I rarely post because I feel like I don’t have much to contribute to the conversations most of the time. xD
    ASOIAF’s fandom is pretty awesome yeah :D

    Uh so my blacked out post below includes alleged spoilers from the imdb person. Just in case if you’re a book-reader who’s reading this and you don’t want to be spoiled like I was.
    I’m trying to think of a logical reason for why Walder Frey’s little wife would be in the room when the slaughter begins. Wouldn’t he try to get her out of there beforehand? And yeah I agree about Cat’s breakdown. That was sooo disturbing and Michelle Fairley is such a great actress it would be a shame if she didn’t have an opportunity to act that

  227. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sounds like it! Hopefully that brings redemption to Lord Beric in Unsullied eyes after he gave up Gendry

  228. Timmen
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    Listen to Mysha and For The Realm. I’ll bet 1 bergillion dollars that For The Realm will just be used for the ending credits. And it sounds upbeat so something positive might happen to end on for the audience in E10… they could just go straight the slaves saying mother and that music to the credits? I think it would be odd change of music.

    p.s. Mysha music is great.

  229. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    If you’re a book reader and have trouble passing the time until tomorrow’s episode you should definitely check out this awesome theory of what will happen in ASOIAF and its connection to Ragnorok.

    http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html

  230. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Couldn’t take it seriously after the author declared Jaime and Cersei secret Targaryens, and followed up by claiming that Tommen is the Prince that was Promised, among other rather bold statements

  231. caoimay
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    they wont find her body until the end of the next episode i’d say

  232. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant,

    Jaime/Cersei being Targarens makes sense though. The Mad King “took liberties in the bedding” with Tywin’s wife, which could have led to rape down the line and is probably the real reason he had Ilyn Payne’s tongue cut out. Jaime’s aunt tell’s him “you are not Tywin’s son, Tyrion is”(clever wordplay). Cersei is following the Mad King’ path to insanity and obsession with fire, (burning the Red Keep). The volanqar story alludes to Jaime killing Cersei with Oathkeeper (similar to how Azor Ahai kills Nissa Nissa). Also the incest btw Jaime and Cersei also is clever forshadowing if they are targs

    Basically his theory is very strong IMO. Probably the one thing I don’t agree with is Tommen because I think Azor Ahai and TPTWP are one in the same (Jaime)

  233. Arthur
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    It’s really is a monumental achievement for D&D to have millions of people wishing their weekend was over so they can watch GoT.

    I never felt this way before, wanting Friday and Saturday to end and wanting Sunday to pass quickly into Sunday night so I can watch a TV show…

    Have any of you?

  234. DarkRavenous
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    If the last scene is of her waking up in the finale then a curtain call isn’t needed. Really hope this is included. The perfect way to end the season.

  235. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    DarkRavenous,

    Curtain Calls usually happen a few days after the episodes air. If we get a Richard Madden curtain call this Wednesday on no Michelle Fairley curtain call that would cause suspicion. I guess WiC could delay Ricard Madden’s curtain call until after episode 10 and this way they won’t have to worry about Michelle Fairley since I also think she will be resurrected in the season finale

  236. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Also I hope Roose says my name in this episode!!! I’ve been dieing for him to show Theon’s flayed pinkie to Cat and call him “Theon Turncloak”

  237. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    He already told her that Theon was nowhere to be found earlier in the season.

  238. Carne
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Will have to wait till Friday to watch the episode :(

  239. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Right, but he can tell Cat that they have finally found him. This also reveals who is holding Theon

  240. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Why is that?

  241. Arthur
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Alright then…

    It is so hot out, I am sitting in my room with the AC on trying to not think about GoT.

    So, I don’t feel like playing WoW right now because I am bored of it.

    There is another MMORPG game coming out calling “Neverwinter”.

    They have been promoting it by releasing CGI storylines of some of the main world characters…

    If you like GoT and want to kill a few minutes being entertained with awesome top notch CGI stuff click the link. Please enjoy… This is AD&D at its best…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foZq8B2xYeg

    THIS IS WHY I PLAY VIDEO GAMES!!!

    I imagine that young warrior that can phase shift as Arya fighting The Mountain… Haha…

    Once again you can see major GoT influence… Wights, blue-eyed wights, Zombie vs Living… I will be buying this MMORPG for sure when it comes out!

  242. facelessarya
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Everything I’ve ever wanted.

  243. iRaven
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    It’s really is a monumental achievement for D&D to have millions of people wishing their weekend was over so they can watch GoT.

    I never felt this way before, wanting Friday and Saturday to end and wanting Sunday to pass quickly into Sunday night so I can watch a TV show…

    Have any of you?

    I’ve never in my life been more excited for an episode of television.

  244. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Jaime/Cersei being Targarens makes sense though. The Mad King “took liberties in the bedding” with Tywin’s wife, which could have led to rape down the line and is probably the real reason he had Ilyn Payne’s tongue cut out. Jaime’s aunt tell’s him “you are not Tywin’s son, Tyrion is”(clever wordplay). Cersei is following the Mad King’ path to insanity and obsession with fire, (burning the Red Keep). The volanqar story alludes to Jaime killing Cersei with Oathkeeper (similar to how Azor Ahai kills Nissa Nissa). Also the incest btw Jaime and Cersei also is clever forshadowing if they are targs

    Basically his theory is very strong IMO. Probably the one thing I don’t agree with is Tommen because I think Azor Ahai and TPTWP are one in the same (Jaime)

      

    This is what I think too! The J+C incest in particular is a clue hidden in plain view. Which means that Targaryens (or Blackfyres at least) have already been back on the throne in the form of Joffrey and Tommen.

    The hints at Tyrion being a Targ bastard are red herrings. Joffrey as a king took after his grandfather Aerys. Jaime is Azor Ahai and will kill Cersei, thus creating Lightbringer.

    I could be wrong, but I reckon that’s on the right track.

  245. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    iRaven: I’ve never in my life been more excited for an episode of television.

    I was probably more excited for the finale of LOST, but was quite disappointed afterwards. So I go into these episodes with caution…

    Pretty confident this one’ll be mind-blowing though.

  246. Matt
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Sky Aero,

    jesus christ that is intense. i feel ill after reading that.

  247. Carne
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Air force. Will be doing different exercises out in nowhere. Bah.

  248. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Darn, that wait is going to be a killer. Stay strong!

  249. Daniel
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I’m still too mad at them for no NWN3. THAT stuff was D&D, Neverwinter is just another Mmo.

  250. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Love this theory. I think it ill come to pass :]
    Season 2 Renly: Born admist sal and smoke, is he a ham? (YES HE IS!)
    Season 3: Jaime has a hot bat with Brienne (Steam represents smoke). Jaime is then givin a second chance at life by Roose Bolton and is eating HAM in the episode! (Salt represents food) Brilliant

  251. Shan
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Maybe by “he is a ham,” they just mean that he likes to be really dramatic in front of an audience. In which case, check.

  252. Kentobeans
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Wow, Mhysa and For the Realm sound fantastic. Can’t wait to hear them in the finale.

  253. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    LOL

  254. Saltpans
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Now that the Doctor is officially out, could we find him in Westeros in the future? blue hair maybe?

  255. ddgangur33
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    I love how ‘Reek’ has bits of ‘Pay the Iron Price’ in it. Really looking forward to Theon’s final scenes in the finale! I just wanna see him make a rhyme or two before the seasons over. ;D

  256. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Chickenduck,

    Love this theory. I think it ill come to pass :]
    Season 2 Renly: Born admist sal and smoke, is he a ham? (YES HE IS!)
    Season 3: Jaime has a hot bat with Brienne (Steam represents smoke). Jaime is then givin a second chance at life by Roose Bolton and is eating HAM in the episode! (Salt represents food) Brilliant

    Ummm, ham? I got bored and didn’t read the whole Ragnarok thing, so might have missed the ham. But I do like ham, and I reckon there’s a good chance on the Jaime/Cersei bit. Ham or no ham. Jon may be a ham though.

  257. Matt
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Credits of Ep10 is my guess

  258. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m obviously looking forward to every single second in the episode, as I always do, but I am more looking forward to the reactions of the Unsullied (I personally will be watching with 3 of them). I think I might have to have an extra beer or two because my poker face improves with every beverage.

    The internet is going to ‘splode on Monday.

  259. ddgangur33
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    I hope that the drums will be a big part of the RW, because in the books you keep hearing ‘BOOM DOOM’ in your head, which only heightened the dramatic tension of the scene. I know they’ve got the drums in, but will they be playing through the entire scene like I hope?

  260. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I didn’t mean Jaime was really a ham. I meant that Renly’s sly remark to Melisandre had some prophetic meaning to it and was not just a jest. Basically the salt part of the Azor Ahai prophecy means sharing food (sharing the salt). There’s another article thats Jaime centric and that is where I got the ham reference connection from.

    “When the red star bleeds and the darkness gathers, Azor Ahai shall be born again amidst smoke and salt”.

    “When Oberyn Martell dies and Bran meets the Three-Eyed Crow, Jaime Lannister will be freed from prison after dinner and a bath”.

    Red Star: The Sun is a star. The Martell sigil is a red sun being pierced by a spear. Oberyn Martell bleeds as he dies vs the Mountain.

    Azor Ahai: Jaime Lannister.

    Darkness gathers: Bran and Bloodraven. ADWD “The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. Darkness will make you strong” –Bloodraven to Bran.

    My only problem with this theory is that the chronology is off. The Red Viper dies after Jaime is freed
    http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/jaime-azor-ahai-god-of-war.html

  261. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    LOL

  262. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Ah ok, I get the ham now :) Cool pick up on the Martell sigil too… So if the sigil is the bleeding star, the red comet might have been a red herring too? Or just scattering multiple clues…

    This is fun! I remember when being a Potter/LOST etc etc nerd was this much fun, wonder if it’ll still be as much fun when the series is done and dusted and everything’s been spelt out…? I never felt the urge to re-read Potter or re-watch LOST since they finished and the theorising wrapped up.

  263. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Yup I think the red comet is a red herring. GRRM wants us to see the comet as the red star. But a comet is not a star

  264. Delta1212
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck:
    Turncloak,

    Ah ok, I get the ham now :)Cool pick up on the Martell sigil too…So if the sigil is the bleeding star, the red comet might have been a red herring too?Or just scattering multiple clues…

    This is fun!I remember when being a Potter/LOST etc etc nerd was this much fun, wonder if it’ll still be as much fun when the series is done and dusted and everything’s been spelt out…?I never felt the urge to re-read Potter or re-watch LOST since they finished and the theorising wrapped up.

    ADwD spoilers: And then there’s Jon’s “death” where Wun Wun kills the guy with the star embroidered on his clothes, Jon’s wounds smoke from the cold and Bowen Marsh provides some salty tears.

    Basically every damn character in the book fulfills the Azor Ahai prophecy at some point.

    And don’t get me started on the fulfillment of all the stuff that Mirri Maz Dur says has to happen for Drogo to return to normal.

  265. Delta1212
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    It randomly didn’t spoiler my middle paragraph. Not sure why.

  266. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212: ADwD spoilers: And then there’s Jon’s “death” where Wun Wun kills the guy with the star embroidered on his clothes, Jon’s wounds smoke from the cold and Bowen Marsh provides some salty tears.


    Basically every damn character in the book fulfills the Azor Ahai prophecy at some point.

    And don’t get me started on the fulfillment of all the stuff that Mirri Maz Dur says has to happen for Drogo to return to normal.

    Yeah, I got that when I read ADwD, but Jon seems too obvious… Maybe it'll turn out to be Stannis after all, after everyone assumed he was Mel's mistake.

    My question is when we’re going to hear the prophecy on the show… We got a partial in S2E1 on the beach with Mel, but that’s been it so far.

    Oh, and I’d love to read your Mirri Maz Duur interpretation :)

  267. arolig
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    This is it. The episode of all the 5 current books. Sadly, as watchers we’re to disconnected with Cat already

  268. Delta1212
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Yeah, I got that when I read ADwD, but Jonseems too obvious…Maybe it’ll turn out to be Stannis after all, after everyone assumed he was Mel’s mistake.

    My question is when we’re going to hear the prophecy on the show… We got a partial in S2E1 on the beach with Mel, but that’s been it so far.

    Oh, and I’d love to read your Mirri Maz Duur interpretation :)

    Jul 24, 2012 – “When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind … When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child.

    Sun rises in the west, sets in the east: Quentyn Martell, of the previously covered sun sigil comes from Westeros and dies in Essos.

    Seas drying up: Dany’s last chapter mentions the grass of the Dothraki sea drying out and dying.

    Womb quickening: same time, Dany supposedly gets her period, but note that she recalls having missed her last one prior to that, and bleeds unusually heavily. She also has just eaten berries that may be abortifacients, all of which implies that she may actually have been having a miscarriage without realizing it and isn’t barren after all.

    Mountains blowing in the wind like leaves: I’ve seen theories that this is either the pyramids turned to ash by the dragons or something to do with Gregorstein, but I’m not fully sold on either yet, so this one is an open question for me.

  269. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Jon will be born amidst salt and smoke in the ice cells where they keep the salt and smoked ham. and the red star was the dude who was killed by wun wun. Jamie isnt going to be azor ahai that would be stupid as he doesnt even know about the others. unless the next book he makes it to the wall for some reason which is unlikely
    :)

  270. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    The bit about Dany’s menstruation at the end of ADwD is interesting… I assumed from the text she hadn’t had her period at all since Drogo’s death (which stills works with the theory either way). But that might have been me not reading carefully enough. Certainly has been a bit of noise made in the books regards abortifacient herbs, so sounds plausible. Thanks for posting!

  271. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    http://i40.tinypic.com/33p6p2s.jpg
    (warning, as it’s a bit of a spoiler, but as a book reader, I found it quite funny)

  272. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor:
    Jamie isnt going to be azor ahai that would be stupid as he doesnt even know about the others.

    I don’t see why someone has to know about the prophecy to fulfil it? There’s something poetic about unaware chosen ones, accidental heroes, redemption stories etc…

    Maybe GRRM hasn’t entirely decided who Azor Ahai is and he’s keeping his options open?

  273. MRR
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    A few thoughts on other people’s thoughts:

    “Bran discovers a new gift”: I doubt this is Hodor. He has never actually “warged”; he has only had dreams where he connects with Summer. This bit in the summary likely refers to him actively controlling Summer as opposed to it happening to him passively in a dream. I think this will also be used as the “straw that breaks the camel’s back” in terms of making Osha decide to leave with Rickon.

    Coldhands: My guess is that we won’t see Sam and Gilly this episode (despite their presence in the previous episodes montage), but they’ll show up to Bran and company in ep. 10 explaining that someone mysterious helped them through the wall, etc. etc. So yeah, this means we likely won’t be seeing Coldhands this season, but he’ll probably be there next year.

    Regarding the “wolf-head Robb”: We’re not ever going to see this. This isn’t ever seen by anyone in the books, either; it’s only spoken of in rumours. Y’know, just how people also speak of how Robb could turn into a wolf himself, and all the other crazy rumors that inhabit Westeros. This rumor has a bit more credence because a) who would make that up? (but it could have just been an exaggeration of the cruelty of the Freys spread by the common folk) and b) the “wolf-headed king” was seen in one of Daenerys’s visions (but that could have just been a loose dream-vision metaphor). In any case, we never read about it directly in the books, so don’t expect to actually see it on the show.

    I also don’t think Lady Stoneheart will show up until next season, but it’s possible due to the contract constraints with some of the BWB cast. Keep in mind that this was the very last chapter of ASWS, so I think it’s somewhat unlikely that it would be rushed ahead so far. It also provides them an opportunity to stretch out that story to give Michelle Fairley more scenes in the next season, similar to what they’re doing with Theon this season.

    Speaking of Theon, I do very much like the idea of Talisa being taken as a hostage and taking over the role that Jeyne Poole plays later on in Theon’s story, but… I doubt that’s actually going to happen. I dunno though—we haven’t seen the end of the “Jeyne Poole” story, so maybe it’s important that she’s a relative nobody later on? Maybe it works against Theon that he was lying about it being Arya all along.

  274. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    very possible :) i hope its either jon or stannis though

  275. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    I liked the Ragnarok theory, it supports my long-standing claim that the endgame of the series is the end of all magic in Westeros, and a few of my other theories as well. The Cersei/Jaimie thing has always been iffy but still possible, other than that I’m pretty on board. Sam being the real hero of the story, and Dany, Bran and Jon going evil before it ends is totally GRRM. Also, Dany dying at Storm’s End (Stormborn, Storm’s End…. coincidence? Doubt it) would not surprise me in the least, murdered by fake Aegon who is actually Ilyrio’s son and turns out to be a Blackfyre.

  276. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Utiz4321:
    Can Anybody who read the spoiler give a brief synopsis or a link.I can’t find it and I love spoilers.In fact am upset to hear about the existence of a spoiler that I can’t read lol.Thanks

    Less than 24 hours left… Might as well wait it out at this point.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2HcRl4wSk

  277. Greg
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    As far as Talisa filling the role of Jeyne Poole, I can see it going something like this: If Talisa is a spy after all, then she will be married to a newly legitimated Ramsay as a reward of her contribution to Robb’s downfall. However, she is deeply remorseful over the part she played in the Red Wedding, and once she realizes just how sadistic and cruel Ramsay is, that remorse in multiplied 100x. It also works because it gives Theon more of a reason to be protective of her: not only is he very familiar with the kind of pain Ramsay is capable of causing and doesn’t want Talisa to suffer anything remotely similar, but he also wants to protect her because she was Robb’s wife and he feels tremendous guilt over Robb’s death as well. It automatically creates a bond between them.

    That’s how I’d do it, anyway. Or they could just kill Talisa at the RW and introduce Jeyne Poole later on. When Jaime meets “Arya”/Jeyne in Book 3/Season 4, he could go to Tywin and be like “Oh, so you found the Stark girl?” and Tywin could say something like, “No, her name is Jeyne Poole, but she grew up at Winterfell and knew it well.” Either way works fine, in my opinion.

  278. Chickenduck
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    MRR:
    Regarding the “wolf-head Robb”: We’re not ever going to see this. This isn’t ever seen by anyone in the books, either; it’s only spoken of in rumours. Y’know, just how people also speak of how Robb could turn into a wolf himself, and all the other crazy rumors that inhabit Westeros.

    Based on a spoiler from a set report I remember a while back, I think there’s a good chance we will see the inverse of that, though – Grey Wind with Robb’s head on it. Someone said they saw a scene being shot where a human head was being sewn onto what they thought was an ox’s body. Maybe a cattle carcass being used as a model for the wolf CGI?

  279. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I think the blood on her thighs was from the flux. She even speaks of having the watery stools too.

  280. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    Hmmm….except for the Talisa thing, I don’t know about those ideas. All the “not gonna happens” that you point out would make for really good television. There has got to be a major shock value for these two episodes. Obviously, the books couldn’t do a POV of the Robb/Grey Wind Dr. Mengele abomination …it had to be passive. But in the TV series, all bets are off, like the Theon stuff. It’s gonna hurt.

  281. Zack
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I would hate to miss WolfRobb. It could potentially haunt dreams, it’s such a tragic image to think of. So I hope you’re right and at the very least we get that inverse.

  282. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    The day has arrived. (EST)
    21 hours to go….

  283. Tyler
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:37 am | Permalink

    I’ve been waiting for this episode specifically since the show was green lit.

    Man, this two week wait over Libby is killing me.

  284. Arthur
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Tyler,

    I just feel like going to sleep and waking up to get ready for the show at 8:30pm eastern…

    That way time will go by faster…

  285. Warg Eagle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    So excited … and hoping Rhys is on to something.

  286. Shan
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Based on a spoiler from a set report I remember a while back, I think there’s a good chance we will see the inverse of that, though – Grey Wind with Robb’s head on it.Someone said they saw a scene being shot where a human head was being sewn onto what they thought was an ox’s body.Maybe a cattle carcass being used as a model for the wolf CGI?

    Awww, man. I’m still holding onto a crack hope that the story of Robb/Grey Wind was bogus, and Grey Wind is still out there somewhere, possibly even heading toward Sansa. . Unfortunately, if your report is right, I may have to give up on that idea. Curses.

  287. daniru
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    This episode, will be freaking amazing. I mean, how many epic scenes will we get in it?
    Queenscrown, the Seige of Yunkai (an off screen battle in the books that’s now onscreen and made much more epic for the show), possibly Coldhands (I’m with the people who say he will be in this episode, since we know Sam is in it, and I doubt it will just be another scene of him wandering towards the Wall), and last but no way in hell least, the RW! Even if we lose some parts of it as the leak suggests, it will still be a TV defining moment that will have me feeling a mix of intense sadness, horror and delight to see (mostly delight though).

  288. MRR
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I only mentioned one not-gonna-happen; everything else was just “in later seasons”.

    And regarding that one: Perhaps what you might consider “good television” I’d consider cartoonish and tacky? GoT isn’t some 80s creepshow horror flick, and the moments of “shock” in the show generally come from emotional turmoil rather than gross-out imagery. When we see Ned Stark’s head, it’s not just there to gross us out; it’s in the context of Sansa Stark being forced to look at it, and the pain we feel is supposed to help us relate to her in that moment. It’s possible that the TV show could pull it off and do it well, but I’m skeptical.

    I dunno. People’s tastes vary, but I just think it wouldn’t really match the tone of the show to include something like that. Purely opinion, and I could very well be wrong.

  289. truth
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    Anyone else think Joff and Dany would make a good duo? Okay, this is random, but I have been thinking recently, and I think Daenerys and Joffrey would actually make a really good match. Or an interesting match, at least.

  290. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:27 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    There is always a good balance of shock value in every episode of GoT, whether it be physical, mental, descriptive, passive or emotional shock. Its one of the cornerstones of the series (IMHO). The showrunners have been giving us plenty of inventive physical shock this season to balance with the emotional/mental/dialogue shock:

    1) Jaime’s hand
    2) Karstark
    3) Craster’s cabin ugliness
    4) Ros quarrel-ridden body
    5) Lannister boy being stabbed
    6) Dracarys – burning man
    7) Theon’s scenes!
    ….
    We are being led to this shocking event by an amazing balance of well-written physical and mental horror, the like of which we have rarely seen (since Silence of the Lambs/Hannibal and other non-TV movies) We know this will be good on many levels.

  291. Shan
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    truth,

    YES. YES. YES.

    I honestly like Dany best at those moments when she starts to make us a little concerned that she might wind up being as much of an Aerys as a Rhaegar. You know, Joan of Arc but with nuclear weapons. I mean, she’s cool and kind and awesome, but she’s also pretty much the only character who has DELIBERATELY BURNED SOMEONE ALIVE IN EVERY SINGLE SEASON SO FAR. And even worse (better!), she’s doing it believing that the dynastic, genetic version of god is on her side — which means that she doesn’t even really seem to think twice about killing all of the people she kills. I don’t think that’s a bad thing. I love that. Her dark side is the most interesting thing about her — and considering that that dark side of the Targaryens seems to be something that Joff really admires (“severity is the price of greatness”), it would be really fun to see just how much of that stuff he could bring out of her.

  292. Cal Van Hamacek
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    I’ve literally had dreams three nights in a row about what would happen in this hour of television. I did accidentally find out the big spoiler a year ago, but I don’t know what I will see when the episode plays.

  293. Benjamin Wakefield
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:24 am | Permalink

    I’d like a scene in Ep. 10 between Roose and the Freys standing in the gory aftermath of the RW where they mention Tywin’s involvement, touch on their future plans, show Catelyn’s body being dumped in the river and end with a disgusting shot of FrankenRobb.

  294. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    This is it! The day has come for television to go to a whole other level! It will be epic!

    I think the last scene this episode will be Cat thrown out the window, like Bran was, but instead of seeing him from below ,watching him fall, we will see Cat falling from above, following her as she falls and hits the water.

  295. Baihu1983
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Still say the episode will end with Cat having her throat slit or the Hound knocking out Arya making non book readers think that 3 Starks have just been killed within minutes of one another.

    Has it been confirmed at all that Blackfish and Talisa will be at the wedding? The blackfish might take Umbers role but then that would mean they are cutting the later scene with Jamie.

  296. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    People really tend to overhype the RW. I’m sure viewers will be surprised but I don’t think it is going to get the reaction that most people think it is going to get nor will it be some ground breaking television just becuase some characters get killed off. Most viewers don’t even really care about Robb or Cat. I’m sure it will be a good episode with a shocking ending but not quite the landmark television episode that people seem to think it is going to be.

  297. Jacarb
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    I have not read the IMDb “spoiler.”

    I also believe–as far it influences my actions–that everything ever is on the internet. It really is your own goddamn fault if you find something you don’t want to see. Beyond this entrancing glowing rectangle that you are looking at right now is a kitchen where you could be baking lasagna. And however terrible your lasagna may be, it is more of a contribution to this life than the entirety of the discussion on spoilers that has taken place on this thread. I mean, I’ll eat it. The lasagna.

    Anyways. Despite coming off of two uncommonly boozy nights, I tried to get very drunk just so that I would fall asleep thoughtlessly. Turns out my liver is faster than a Bushwick garden party keg. It’s now 6am, our asshole star is already up, and the night has been nothing but thoughts. Primarily about GoT. I would very much rather be unconscious and shunted to the afternoon than this.

    Waiting for this episode has been like holding in a gigantic, Bono-sized turd. I have been nervous for non-book-readers for years, thinking some jackass would burn the GRRM equivalent of Snape Kills Dumbledore onto the moon or something. When it all goes down on screen, as messy as it will inevitably be, there will be a sense of relief along with the notion that something foul has been unleashed on the world. Also, there will be much blood. Metaphor complete.

    I never thought that Coldhands might be cut. It makes a lot of sense, but is sad. I did realize, however, while getting drawn into an AWOIAF session, that the first time I might actually be upset about a change is any possible marginalization of Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun. Whose name I will never abbreviate.

    I still hope that Belwas only let D&D cut him this once.

    Concerning this upcoming episode more properly, I really hope it is structured to not put any importance on the wedding. At some point, if they do the dread right, it won’t matter and a lot of people will suspect something. Which only makes things more delicious because their frantic guesses will mostly be wrong.

  298. Brightstar
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    This,
    the show has done a poor job with characterizing Robb and Cat so nobody is really attached to them,the new viewers will be surprised but nothing beyond that.
    Those overhyped by book readers about this episode will be severely disappointed .

  299. Jacarb
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Brightstar,

    Fundamentally disagree. The Robb plot has been somewhat meh lately, but don’t count out show-only types in terms of understanding. A viewer does not need to specifically care about Robb to understand how his death changes every single last thing. The idea that anyone might go, “Oh, Robb died? Whatever…” is insane.

  300. The Flayed Man
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Timmen,

    That was the impression I got, too. Also, Mhysa to me sounds very LOTR-esque, and brings up ideas of a montage, something we haven’t seen yet on the show.

    Getting back to For The Realm…it sounds almost like a statement from D&D along the lines of “Yeah, we did it, guys”. Don’t ask me why I get that impression, I just do!

  301. LordStarkington
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    Brightstar,

    Fundamentally disagree. The Robb plot has been somewhat meh lately, but don’t count out show-only types in terms of understanding. A viewer does not need to specifically care about Robb to understand how his death changes every single last thing. The idea that anyone might go, “Oh, Robb died? Whatever…” is insane.

    I think book readers are projecting a bit w/regards to thinking “no one cares about Robb”. From the non-book reading population I read online, a lot of people are invested in him, whether as a character on his own, the relationship with Talisa (yes, some people do like it), the fact he’s a Stark/the face of “we’ll get them back for Ned”, or some combination thereof. I’d be really surprised if there isn’t a pretty big/strong reaction to what happens, not just because of the “what” that happens, but the brutality/unpleasantness of it all

  302. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    The Flayed Man: That was the impression I got, too. Also, Mhysa to me sounds very LOTR-esque, and brings up ideas of a montage, something we haven’t seen yet on the show.

    Getting back to For The Realm…it sounds almost like a statement from D&D along the lines of “Yeah, we did it, guys”. Don’t ask me why I get that impression, I just do!

    I think the same way about Mysha. It sounds very different from what the show has done up to now but still beautiful. Again its only a few seconds sample and it may have some unexpected and pleasant twists that we haven’t heard yet.

    As of “for the realm” it sounds very jon snowy to me, so I’m guessing him betraying Ygritte

  303. Ashara D
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    6 am. Already awake with my Stark t-shirt on. It’s going to be a long day… Must. Not. Click. On. Spoiler. Link….

  304. Roose Bolton
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    I’m so excited!

  305. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    Did Amazon remove the S3 soundtrack samples because I can’t find it.

  306. House Clegane
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Please put up reaction videos guys. :) It will be almost as good as the episode itslef. :)

  307. Stephen Bosco
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Brightstar,

    Agreed. The Robb story has been very weak indeed. It started off so well with his bannermen all around him. Some of them had been cast like the great jon. They even had a woman there who I think was Maege Mormont. It just won’t have as much as an impact as the book readers think. Robb has got nowhere near as much good stuff as Dany, Tyrion etc and even Bran’s story is more interesting

  308. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Okay never mind I found it.

  309. Fabian
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Shan,

    Actually, that’s a fascinating way to look at her… It somehow brings to mind the “Sopranos” showrunner’s statement about Tony and the ending, which is something to the extent of:

    “They had gleefully watched him rob, kill, pillage, lie and cheat. They had cheered him on. And then, all of a sudden, they wanted to see him punished for all that. They wanted “justice.” They wanted to see his brains splattered on the wall. I thought that was disgusting, frankly. [...] The pathetic thing—to me—was how much they wanted his blood, after cheering him on for eight years.”

    I wonder if we will see a similar response once Dany meets her fate, if ever.

    (yes, I spoiler-tagged Sopranos-related spoilers, just in case people are still planning to watch this brilliant show)

    (also spoiler tagged something referring to an event that has NOT (yet) happened in the books)

  310. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    I was just listening to the soundtrack samples and I don’t remember hearing song number 6.”dark wings. dark words” on the show. Has that song been played on the show yet?

  311. D-Wil
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Really can’t wait for this episode , really glad I’m watching it with people who haven’t read the books or even really go on the internet to check about this show.

    Side note: For those interested, Lena Headey and GRRM are on Conan this week (Tuesday and Wednesday respectively).

  312. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Stephen Bosco:
    Brightstar,

    Agreed. The Robb story has been very weak indeed. It started off so well with his bannermen all around him. Some of them had been cast like the great jon. They even had a woman there who I think was Maege Mormont. It just won’t have as much as an impact as the book readers think. Robb has got nowhere near as much good stuff as Dany, Tyrion etc and even Bran’s story is more interesting

    I agree that they could and should have make him more important and compeling but its not like it is any better in the books. I did enjoy his relationship with Talisa last season and my only complain is for this season. However to assume his death won’t have an impact is not true. Maester Lwuin wasn’t as fleshed or important and his death made me cry, same as Ros’

  313. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    D-Wil,

    Wow, GRRM on Conan?! Thats awesome.

  314. Chalky White Walker
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    *squeals* Today!

  315. Rhys
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Those suggesting that Robb and Catelyn’s deaths will be non-compelling to non-book-readers are really overstating how important they were in the books. We barely saw Robb at all during Clash of Kings and he was absent for large parts of A Game of Thrones and Storm of Swords.

    Robb and Cat have been as well developed in the show as they should have been relative to how well they were developed in the books. Obviously it’s more compelling in the books but so is everything. Books are a superior medium when it comes to offering character development

  316. Duval
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    It’s not purely about Robb and Cat. It’s also about Arya being so close to her family and safety, just to have it all taken away from her once again. For me this made the reading much more intense then when Arya hadn’t been there. And I think it’s going to do the same to the unsullied viewers.

  317. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    Rhys:
    Those suggesting that Robb and Catelyn’s deaths will be non-compelling to non-book-readers are really overstating how important they were in the books. We barely saw Robb at all during Clash of Kings and he was absent for large parts of A Game of Thrones and Storm of Swords.


    Robb and Cat have been as well developed in the show as they should have been relative to how well they were developed in the books. Obviously it’s more compelling in the books but so is everything. Books are a superior medium when it comes to offering character development

    Rhys:
    Those suggesting that Robb and Catelyn’s deaths will be non-compelling to non-book-readers are really overstating how important they were in the books. We barely saw Robb at all during Clash of Kings and he was absent for large parts of A Game of Thrones and Storm of Swords.


    Robb and Cat have been as well developed in the show as they should have been relative to how well they were developed in the books. Obviously it’s more compelling in the books but so is everything. Books are a superior medium when it comes to offering character development

    True, and for example Jon Snow was one of the most compeling and enjoyable characters to me in the books but in the show’s third season I find myself not interested in his story nor invested in his character as I was in season one. The only character that’s saving the night’s watch storyline is Sam in my opinion

  318. babar
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    About LS.

    Nobody said that they’re going to show the last ASOS chapter in the season’s finale. What people believe is that they’ll show the actual resurrection.

  319. Blaat
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    I’m pretty sure a lot of readers root for Robb. Both my parents, my girlfriend and a few other friends who haven’t read the books think he will prevail in the end and are sincerely hoping he kills Joffrey. He is one of the heroes and has been faced with a lot of adversity this season, which gives them the false hope he will turn it around.

  320. queenofthorns
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I think the blood on her thighs was from the flux. She even speaks of having the watery stools too.

    Dude, I think she would know which hole it came from.

  321. Kate
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Regarding Talisa: I get that some people like the Talisa/Jeyne theory, so the Bolton’s would marry her off to Ramsay. However, this doesn’t fit in with the Bolton’s wanting to pretend they have Arya. Talisa would be too well known (and old!) for this. Maybe instead the writers will use Talisa instead of Fat Walda, marrying her against her will to Roose Bolton? This isn’t something I want to happen, just an idea. I love Fat Walda!

  322. coronaking
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Delta1212: Mountains blowing in the wind like leaves: I’ve seen theories that this is either the pyramids turned to ash by the dragons or something to do with Gregorstein, but I’m not fully sold on either yet, so this one is an open question for me.

    After reading “A Dance with Dragons” I thought it might refer to Gregor Glegane, now kind of a partially empty armor without the (skinless) skull that has been shipped to Dorne. The Mountain has become wind and ashes, half ghost, half corpse. I like this theory.

    (And now that I’ve finished typing my comment I see that you indeed mention “Gregorstein”, not “Dragonstone” as I just read it. :p)

  323. Paul
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    I think that the show’s portrayal of Ygritte and her relationship with Jon is excellent, personally.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of viewers are more heartbroken/shocked by her death than the RW

  324. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Kate:
    Regarding Talisa: I get that some people like the Talisa/Jeyne theory, so the Bolton’s would marry her off to Ramsay. However, this doesn’t fit in with the Bolton’s wanting to pretend they have Arya. Talisa would be too well known (and old!) for this. Maybe instead the writers will use Talisa instead of Fat Walda, marrying her against her will to Roose Bolton? This isn’t something I want to happen, just an idea. I love Fat Walda!

    Some theory is that they’ll skip fake Arya completely and replace it with Talisa mother of the heir, which makes sense. I prefer she lives cause I like her and it’ll be heart breaking to see her die but there’s still the possibilitu that she’ll die too

  325. Brightstar
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Josla,
    Their deaths will have an impact on new viewers ,just not as much as many here believe.
    I’m thinking more in the lines of Robert/Renly/Maester Lwuin than the Ned type effect everyone are hoping for.
    I hope that I’m wrong on this and that the show can replicate the book’s shock but I seriously doubt it.

  326. Kate
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    Ah that would sort of make sense. I’m fine with them killing her to be honest.

  327. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Paul:
    Josla,

    I think that the show’s portrayal of Ygritte and her relationship with Jon is excellent, personally.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of viewers are more heartbroken/shocked by her death than the RW

    Really? Although I was referring to Jon and not Ygritte. I feel he’s been doing so little that the showrunners could have use his appearances to flesh him out much more than he has been.

  328. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    JamesL: Did Amazon remove the S3 soundtrack samples because I can’t find it.

    No, it’s there. Try this link:
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4IFD4I/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_7y1Qrb0SBAJFS

  329. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    I hope Talisa dies.
    Can’t stand that character and her name. Just my opinion, no offence to anyone.

  330. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    WINE! … a 14.2% petit syrah for the first airing and a Toasted Head red for the second? I’m in the grocery. Should I eat something? Anyhow… cheers everyone, it’ll be a great night!

  331. Sean
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    How quickly are new episodes available on hbo go?

  332. johnnytata
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    haven’t read any of the comments, but i just wonder how many of the book readers here who love to be cryptic at best and all out spoilery at worst towards non book readers are trying their damndest not to be spoiled about whatever might be going on tonight.

    i find it a bit ironic that there might be some significant hypocrisy going on but maybe i am wrong. one can only hope. but not gonna read to find out.

    anyway, hope tonight is awesome and see you all on the other side!

  333. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    I recommend Mad Dog 20/20 for this special occasion.

  334. Josh
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Sky Aero:
    SPOILER!!! Do NOT read if you don’t want to spoil ep. 9!!!!

    “It hurts so much, she thought. Our children, Ned, all our sweet babes. Rickon, Bran, Arya, Sansa, Robb… Robb… please, Ned, please, make it stop, make it stop hurting… The white tears and the red ones ran together until her face was torn and tattered, the face that Ned had loved. Catelyn Stark raised her hands and watched the blood run down her long fingers, over her wrists, beneath the sleeves of her gown. Slow red worms crawled along her arms and under her clothes. It tickles. That made her laugh until she screamed. “Mad,” someone said, “she’s lost her wits,” and someone else said, “Make an end,” and a hand grabbed her scalp just as she’d done with Jinglebell, and she thought, No, don’t, don’t cut my hair, Ned loves my hair. Then the steel was at her throat, and its bite was red and cold.— Catelyn Stark”

    I think this particular scene is going to be horrifically terrific or terrifically horrific. Either it will be incredibly difficult to watch! CANNOT wait for the sullied’s opinions!

    A wonderfully written scene that would translate horribly to film.

  335. JamesL
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Josh,
    .
    Yep, and I already predict people complaining about Cat not going insane but having her react the way she does in the books would be over the top and ruin the scene

  336. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Anyone following the Television Without Pity Unsullied thread as of late? Lloga who always deals a deft hand in predicting the show’s realpolitik, is maintaining that Robb will die but it shouldn’t be a mass slaughter. He is also reinforcing his position that yet another key point in the novel would be too cartoonish if it actually occured. He did this with the Dany/Unsullied storyline of which he admitted much later after hating it initially, that did not end up going in the direction he thought it would. What his argument failed to surmise though is that Tywin has been writing letters to Bolton and to Frey. Of course one of the Unsullied who I am pretty sure is a bookwalker must have been offended of Lloga’s outright rejection notion of a wholesale slaughter because this person is replying by pointing out the possibility of Tywin coordinating everything. Once again, bookwalkers can’t keep their mouths shut.

  337. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    This is going to be one long f*cking day.

    The 3 Unsullied I am going to be watching with all think that Robb is going to prevail over the Lannisters. Silly rabbits, weren’t you listening to Theon’s torturer? Did you not notice the episode 9 tradition?

    All 3 of them think that Robb and Catelyn’s roles have been marginalized this season, but since they all binge watched (and have been rewatching) the previous seasons before 3 started, they still are fresh off of “THE KING IN THE NORTH!”, Catelyn being a ferociously protective mother, et al.

    Book readers really shouldn’t assume to know how non readers will feel about what happens because, quite simply, you have no idea.

  338. Timmen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Waaah roose isn’t wearing pink and looking like a vampire waaaah!

  339. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Agreed some people can’t understand what might be good on the page may not be as effective on film. If anything all the actor needs to do is find some crack in their demeanour, a flare in the eyes, a rictus of a smile and they can establish that madness has settled in. You don’t need Shakesperean-nay Euripdean/|Sophoclean histrionics to convey the state of mind.

  340. Rui
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    It’s a nice day for a white wedding :)

  341. The Loon
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    the day of reckoning is upon us…god’s speed everyone

  342. Juliet
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Sometimes the comments on this site make me feel like I’m the oldest person here. (29 BTW)

  343. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Special! I glanced at 14 hands cabernet (that was for Jamie’s ep.) and wished it were 14 HEADS.

  344. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    If you can find it, go for this one–warning, potentially spoiler-y.

    http://mooncakesnmerlot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/IMG_2238.jpg

    Thank you Robb Starkalypse Tumblr for the idea! A little less than ten hours left…

  345. Paul
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Sean:
    How quickly are new episodes available on hbo go?

    I think they are available immediately at 9pm on HBO-GO.

    But be warned, their servers get absolutely slammed on Sunday nights. The image quality and the buffering can be problematic. I don’t view Sunday night streaming as a viable option.

  346. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I wonder if “Lloga” has listened to the “Lannister Sends Their Regards” snippet on Amazon yet?…which seems to indicate a chaotic scenario…whether the slaughter is inside or outside the Twins is yet to be seen. Also, an earlier/pre-season interview with some of the actors quoted that there were many tears on-set filming these episodes….Seven Hells, I can’t wait to be jarred and wrenched every which way.

  347. dragonreborn
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    I was waiting for this episode for years but I won’t watch it.
    No one will watch game of thrones this week in Turkey.
    Everyone is on the streets rebelling against the repressive islamic government.
    follow the news in tweeter #direngeziparki

    sorry for the off-topic message but our prime minister is far more cruel then jeoffrey and ramsay combined! the police kills innocent people, kings guard is more merciful.

  348. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Wow…merci….a South African merlot? I’m heading to Total W&B this afternoon! What a wolf sigil!

  349. Timmen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Wow, some guy on IMDB made a thread spoiling it all in the title. Good thing your average fan doesn’t search the IMDB message boards for the show. EDIT: And he’s posting in his own thread to keep it at top, what a douche.

    Sorry to disappoint you but this is taken from a reliable source on IMDB:

    Robb apologizes to Walder, but the Freys close in around him.
    Right when it seems all is lost, the door bursts open, Ned Stark emerges.
    “Father?!”
    Walder Frey cackles “Too late, Stark.”
    Ned: “Frey’d Not”
    Ned draws Ice and leaps to Walder, slicing his head off making a fountain of blood.
    Robb: “Father, now you’re here too, but you DO have an escape plan……right?”
    Ned whistles, and an army of Direwolves jumps through the battlements into the
    dining hall, killing all the Frey’s and Boltons.
    Ned and Robb escape the Twins via Osprey grade aircraft.

  350. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Outstanding, thank you! Bacchus, here I come.

  351. Billy
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    A song while we wait:

    (to Arya)
    Hey little sister what have you done?
    Hey little sister who’s the only one?
    Hey little sister who’s your watchman?
    Hey little sister who’s the one you want?
    Hey little sister be gone!


    It’s a nice day to start again.
    It’s a nice day for a red wedding.
    It’s a nice day to start again.


    Hey little sister who is it you’re with?
    Hey little sister what’s your vice and wish?
    Hey little sister be gone (oh yeah)
    Hey little sister who’s your watchman?
    Hey little sister be gone!

    It’s a nice day to start again (come on)
    It’s a nice day for a red wedding
    It’s a nice day to start again.


    (Pick it up)

    Take me back home

    Hey little sister what have you done?
    Hey little sister who’s the only one?
    I’ve been away for so long (so long)
    I’ve been away for so long (so long)
    I let you go for so long


    It’s a nice day to start again (come on)
    It’s a nice day for a red wedding
    It’s a nice day to start again.

    There is nothin’ fair in this world
    There is nothin’ safe in this world
    And there’s nothin’ sure in this world
    And there’s nothin’ pure in this world
    Look for something left in this world
    Start again

    Come on
    It’s a nice day for a red wedding
    It’s a nice day to start again.
    It’s a nice day to start again.
    It’s a nice day to start again

  352. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    Fight like a dragon. Just read it on Huff Post. Best wishes, be safe.

  353. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Timmen,

    As long as they do the direwolves well, I’m good. :-)

  354. Arthur
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    I can’t sleep anymore… And it’s not even 12:00pm yet… Guess I will walk around the house aimlessly and look at the clock every 5mins…..

  355. Hounded
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    9 Hours !!!!!!!!!
    The wait is killing me!!!!!
    I’m going to watch alone first (so that I can scream and cry without being judged) and then I’ll be watching with my Unsullied friends tomorrow, with one eye on their faces the whole time.

    Saw a poll recently that listed Game of Thrones fans and the most dedicated fan base in the world ahead of Star Wars, Harry Potter etc. From commenting on here from time to time I can see why. I’m glad to be a small part of this fan-base and really hope all the fans on here and the people that run the site enjoy the episode. Our most famous hour is almost upon us. The Rains of Castamere is almost here.

  356. Timmen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I’m tired of dreaming about this episode literally. First I had a dream me and brother/sister were watching it, but we were at a party and it was too loud to hear. Last night I had a dream we were 45 minutes in and it was like.. at a hockey rink at a hockey game and then I THINK it was wyman manderly talkigna botu something, and I was thinking… wow theres only 5 minutes left the RW will be too short this is gonna suck. And it happened but it was so short.

    Yea……….

  357. LordStarkington
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Timmen,

    You had me until the part where Snape killed Dumbledore, he would never do that.

  358. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    I wonder is some unsullied are looking for casterly rock in the opening credits ;)

  359. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    I think Kit Harrington is one if the weaker actors in the show which is why we don’t care about him. I don’t know what the writers could have done differently in season 3

  360. Arthur
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Timmen,

    Lol…

    I just hope everyone realizes a TV show can never outdo your imagination. And also I have learned you have to watch a GoT episode twice to really appreciate it…

    The first time I watch I usually think about what D&D didn’t do or what I would have liked to have seen on any particulare scene. The second viewing I focus on what D&D actually did do and come to appreciate it for what it is, a TV show with time and budget constraints…..

    That being said, I am soooo ready to see the D&D TV version come to life before my eyes…

  361. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Gatehouse Ami,

    Geez…it seems that dragonreborn is posting his plight everywhere. At least he has internet.

  362. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    Oh my goodness, please keep safe! HUGS

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Probably a combination of needing an outlet and wanting to raise awareness? It sounds like an awful situation. Am rather glad that my only real potential woe today (knock on wood) is HBO buffering…and keeping the flatmate from breaking the screen. They’ve NO IDEA what’s coming.

  363. Josh
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    If I was an Unsullied, I’d avoid as much talk about future episodes as I could. When I watched True Blood(don’t anymore) there was a person who was magically about to guess what Mary-Anne was before there were even any clues to what she could do. This person was like “oh I never read the books though…” People lie for whatever reasons…I guess so they can seem cool for “guessing” what’s going to happen.

  364. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    No. Cat will be Naked and thrown into the river while Frey men launch arrows at her as they mock the Tully Funeral ceremony, just like in the book. This will happen in the beginning of episode 10

  365. Shan
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Blaat:
    I’m pretty sure a lot of readers root for Robb. Both my parents, my girlfriend and a few other friends who haven’t read the books think he will prevail in the end and are sincerely hoping he kills Joffrey. He is one of the heroes and has been faced with a lot of adversity this season, which gives them the false hope he will turn it around.

    This. I think some of us Sullied might be forgetting how differently we started viewing the series after the RW. Quite apart from things like character development and plot, a lot of Unsullied viewers are still going to be very invested in Robb (not the same thing as liking him, although probably that too) simply because they still think that he is the protagonist.

  366. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Josla,

    I think Kit Harrington is one if the weaker actors in the show which is why we don’t care about him. I don’t know what the writers could have done differently in season 3

    I don’t think its Kit’s fault. I don’t think he’s a bad actor either. He did a pretty good job in the first season and his arc was very strong.

    As to what the writers could have done different i’d say they should have make him think or speak about his family, Robb, Sansa, Arya, Bran. About how much he misses them and how he hopes they’re okay and how he hopes to see them again. About how much he worries about Sam and Grenn and Mormont. I dont know, I’m not a writer but I think that more emotional moments would hell develop his character instead of showing us the robot we’ve got so far…

  367. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I think I remember reading somewhere that Michelle Fairley has a no-nudity clause, so I doubt they are going to show her body being thrown in the river.

  368. dragonreborn
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Gatehouse Ami,

    thanks a lot! I’m going back to taksim square in an hour where mobile communication is put down. tv channels here talk about it as a small inconvenience caused by a few “marginal” but the passive protest of men, women, children and old people in every big city of turkey is brutally attacked by police.

    I breathed a lot of chemical pepper gas these days. I saw too many injured people. We hope danny comes with the dragons soon or this will end bad here.

  369. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Turkey’s leadership probably cancelled the showing of GoT because it was inspiring the population to revolt. I feel for the person. I have relatives in Iran who hate the current theocracy and who live every day in fear of further sanction effects, revolution, and possible missiles coming from Israel.

    By the way, last week’s Time magazine had a great article on how GoT politics reflects the current political shenanigans in the world. Great article!

  370. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    I think they could have given him more time with the Halfhand instead of Ygritte, because Halfhand died in that season so they should have built that relationship up more to make his death seem important. But then, I have always found Jon somewhat boring and I don’t remember his arch that well, so I’m not the best person to decide what to do with it.

  371. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:

    Turkey’s leadership probably cancelled the showing of GoT because it was inspiring the population to revolt. I feel for the person. I have relatives in Iran who hate the current theocracy and who live every day in fear of further sanction effects, revolution, and possible missiles coming from Israel.

    I can’t even begin to imagine–your poor family. Hope everyone is okay.

    ETA: I must find that article–love RL comparisons!! Thanks for the heads-up!

  372. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    I also dreamt about RW a couple nights ago… I can’t remember much, but it was chaotic and a lot different.. what I do remember, is that Stephen Fry came in and said he was Mace Tyrell. That I found odd for and ending of a dream. Altough, if I think about it, he would be a good Mace. But not in the RW :)))

  373. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    they can still throw her body in the river with her clothes on

  374. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    I’m not sure that would work. That’s what they do with Cat Stark and it’s ok for her character

  375. Shan
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    Be safe, dude.

  376. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Here’s the link…no spoilers….
    http://entertainment.time.com/2013/05/24/dead-tree-alert-the-westeros-wing-or-why-game-of-thrones-is-the-best-tv-show-about-politics/

    Don’t worry…my uncles and other distant relatives are not poor…just very worried that an amazing amount of human history (Persepolis, Shiraz, etc.) is about to become a footnote in the millenia-long Crusades that continues to curse that area.

  377. Juego de Tronos
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    This episode will be Legen… wait for it … dary!!

  378. Tereeza777
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn:
    Isabelle,

    Gatehouse Ami,

    thanks a lot! I’m going back to taksim square in an hour where mobile communication is put down. tv channels here talk about it as a small inconvenience caused by a few “marginal” but the passive protest of men, women, children and old people in every big city of turkey is brutally attacked by police. I breathed a lot of chemical pepper gas these days. I saw too many injured people. We hope danny comes with the dragons soon or this will end bad here.

    dragonreborn,
    So sorry to hear about what is going on in your country. (When I think of Braavos, I always think of Istanbul – such a beautiful city!) I had always thought that Turkey’s PM was one of the more moderate leaders, but obviously I was wrong.
    Stay safe and and don’t give up hope!

  379. Josla
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Josla,

    That’s what they do with Cat Stark and it’s ok for her character

    Exactly!!! I care much more about her in contrast to him because I feel sympathetic towards her…

  380. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    If your desire is to see Dany and her dragons in the sky, be careful what you wish for. As we have seen these past 4 years, the Arab Spring does not necessarily mean the new regime will be better than the old one.

  381. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Hey all,

    Mostly a lurker here, but decided to comment today given all the expectations surrounding tonight’s episode.

    The Red Wedding is not about Robb’s death or Catelyn’s death. I know a lot of commenters have been concerned that there won’t be the same impact as the book because show viewers are not as invested in Robb. I think this is probably a misconception, because even as a book reader I wasn’t that invested in Robb as a character.

    What I was invested in was the return of the North and the justice due to the Starks. The Red Wedding was such a gut punch, not because Robb and Cat died, but because all hope for the North and it’s honor was destroyed in such a callous, single stroke. All of our hope as readers and viewers lied in a successful campaign by Robb or at least another honorable Commander (i.e. – Blackfish).

    I for one saw Robb’s death coming a mile away, however I did not anticipate the amount of injustice that would come with it. The Frey’s didn’t just execute Robb, the destroyed the North and turned it over to the hands of the treacherous and vile Boltons.

    THIS is what the show runners need to recreate. The individual details such as Catelyn’s self mutilation, or Robbs head on a wolf, aren’t as important as making sure that the impact of the Wedding is felt on a much larger scale than just a major character death. As I said, its not so much about losing Robb as it is losing all hope for the North and the Starks.

    This is of course punctuated by Arya’s near miss of a reunion and her eventual departure. The Starks and their cause are officially ended with this terrible move by the Freys. And I for one will count the show successful if this is the emotion and the scope they capture.

  382. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    One if the things I would have liked to see us Jon asking Mance for the whereabouts of uncle Benjen. Would have been a great emotional scene

  383. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    …much respect…
    Hopefully, the next two episodes will capture some of the big picture that you describe. The books did that well and escorted us to further chaos. Is it possible for the TV series to replicate the aesthetic on a grand level? Big question. Stay tuned….

  384. Gatorfisch
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    unsulliedP:
    Random question. Have there been any dire wolves this season? Or Any mention of benjen stark? I’ve read the first 2 books and unfortunately I think I got spoiled for tomorrow, but know nothing after that. Thanks!

    They have been around quite a bit. Ghost saved Sam in episode 1, and was in a few other episodes, Summer and Shaggy Dog have been with Bran…Summer allowing Jojen to pass at his intro to the stroryline, Grey Wind at Karstark’s beheading…just to name a few. (We are rewatching season 3 in anticipation of tonight’s episode.)

  385. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I agree, I am actually looking more towards Episode 10 and tonights to see how successful the show’s version of the RW is. The reactions are crucial and have to be properly explored.

    I think tonight’s dark horse star is gonna be the events at Queenscrown. I am very very much looking forward to that.

  386. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist:
    Hey all,

    Mostly a lurker here, but decided to comment today given all the expectations surrounding tonight’s episode.

    The Red Wedding is not about Robb’s death or Catelyn’s death.I know a lot of commenters have been concerned that there won’t be the same impact as the book because show viewers are not as invested in Robb.I think this is probably a misconception, because even as a book reader I wasn’t that invested in Robb as a character.

    What I was invested in was the return of the North and the justice due to the Starks.The Red Wedding was such a gut punch, not because Robb and Cat died, but because all hope for the North and it’s honor was destroyed in such a callous, single stroke. All of our hope as readers and viewers lied in a successful campaign by Robb or at least another honorable Commander (i.e. – Blackfish).

    I for one saw Robb’s death coming a mile away, however I did not anticipate the amount of injustice that would come with it.The Frey’s didn’t just execute Robb, the destroyed the North and turned it over to the hands of the treacherous and vile Boltons.

    THIS is what the show runners need to recreate.The individual details such as Catelyn’s self mutilation, or Robbs head on a wolf, aren’t as important as making sure that the impact of the Wedding is felt on a much larger scale than just a major character death.As I said, its not so much about losing Robb as it is losing all hope for the North and the Starks.

    This is of course punctuated by Arya’s near miss of a reunion and her eventual departure.The Starks and their cause are officially ended with this terrible move by the Freys.And I for one will count the show successful if this is the emotion and the scope they capture.

    I totally agree. People are focusing on (important, but ultimately) details and will miss the forest because they are pissed off about the size and placement of the trees. In D&D I trust.

  387. Arkash
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Grey Wind at Karstark’s beheading

    Wow, didnt even notice him until now !

  388. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Gatorfisch,

    Unfortunately, except for bared teeth and knocking a wight down, the direwolves have been in the shadow this season.

    Although I will never complain about the ambition and creativity of D&D and the other TV series writers, I am holding out hope that the direwolves’ perspective (via warging or other view) will be an influential part of the show. There are such lucrative possibilities for Nymeria and Ghost!

  389. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I don’t understand what Lloga’s problem is. He seems reasonable enough, and he had a point about how easily the slave master’s were able to be defeated, but I don’t see why he is so against a potential massacre of the Stark army? Does he think those loyal men are not going to revolt once they find out Robb has been killed or captured? He seems to think that there has been no communication between Tywin and the Freys/Boltons. Perhaps once he finds out that Tywin was the one planning it he will accept it and not rip the event like he did with Dany acquiring the Unsullied.

  390. Wun Wun
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Whats the fastest way to make 7 hours pass? Lol

  391. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    Exactly my thoughts. Robb’s on the death list of almost every Unsullied I’ve heard of, so perhaps people are thinking that the RW will not have the same impact – yet, none of the Unsullied’s thoughts I’ve read have ever thought that the Starks are going to become an extinct house, starting tonight. Most of them believe Cat will be held prisoner, the Blackfish will escape, or that the Boltons will still fight for becoming Kings in the North all on their own, with the help of the Freys. But none of them have any idea that actually the entire household is gonna be murdered, with all apparent heirs believed to be dead – exept Sansa, who will once she goes to the Vale. As with you, the biggest impact for me after reading the RW was not only the casualties (truth be told, Cat’s death ripped my heart apart) but just reading how the Great House Stark I learned to love and cheer for was completely exterminated, as you say, in the most gruesome and injust way, as was the Northern cause.

    One of my biggest grips, however, is still how the producers decided not to give any of the Stark bannermen lines or characters. If there is something worth reading in A Dance With Dragons is how all these families still hold a grudge for the Freys and had trueful hope in Robb and his cause. I’m afraid this feeling simply won’t exist in the show, who apparently has shown that the North is full of traitors (the Frey, the Boltons). Such a missed opportunity just not casting two or three speaking extras, and the impact should be just huge.

    As well, Sansa not making her escape this season is just another reason the impact is gonna be a little less than it was while reading. Her escape and subsequent transformation was the last nail in the coffin for the Starks and what we had come to hope for the North.

  392. Jacarb
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Wun Wun:
    Whats the fastest way to make 7 hours pass?Lol

    Inebriates.

  393. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:

    Here’s the link…no spoilers….
    http://entertainment.time.com/2013/05/24/dead-tree-alert-the-westeros-wing-or-why-game-of-thrones-is-the-best-tv-show-about-politics/

    Don’t worry…my uncles and other distant relatives are not poor…just very worried that an amazing amount of human history (Persepolis, Shiraz, etc.) is about to become a footnote in the millenia-long Crusades that continues to curse that area.

    Many, many thanks, kind Bastard! : ) It will certainly help pass the time this afternoon (I may also see Star Trek–haven’t decided yet)

    Glad to hear your family is okay. I think I know what you mean about history being affected–Damascus has such a rich past, and was the focal point for so many positive things, but a lot of us will primarily (or only) associate it with the misery of the current stream of bombings and riots. The physical destruction is equally as saddening–I was quite young, but still remember the news stories about the Buddhas of Bamiyan being destroyed. Awful, tragic stuff, and completely unnecessary.

  394. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    I too am concerned about the lack of casted loyal Northmen.

    Perhaps though they are angling for a more sneak attack kind of thing with this plot line. Like Davos meets the Northmen, and as viewers we think this can’t be good “knowing what we know” about the Northmen. This will create the needed tension in Davos’ journey since the Davos death fake out probably won’t execute well on screen.

    So here we are think that Davos is walking into a dangerous situation with the Manderlys because all we know of the remaining Northmen is that they are traitors and murderers. Then wam! There is a small beacon of hope for the north after all, because the North does remember!

  395. Timmen
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    People I know IRL don’t suspect things like this or infer anything near the detail the ‘Unsullied’ do. What exactly are Unsullied on the internet, really? I have a hard time believing if they frequent GoT sites they are more into the show than an average person is, and have been exposed to way more, they don’t know things second hand and almost pretend to be oblivious. I saw a youtube review of an early episode this season, and when Roose is talking to Karstark about the Kingslayer, they said “And that guy looking at Robb, I think he might want to kill Robb.” …… Really? I think they’ve been somewhat spoiled and pretend to be clueless so they can seem prophetic or something, I don’t know lol..

    tl;dr I think Unsullied who visit GoT sites and things on internet aren’t truely as unspoiled as show viewers who just watch the show.

    Also, there will be a Wendell Manderly cast who will fill some role like what you’ve said this episode as Robb’s buddy i guess?

  396. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    Really wonderfully put–thank you for posting! In one of the trailers, Tyrion says something like “the North will never forget,” so hopefully they will make clear that the RW is about more than a few lost characters, however beloved (am assuming Tyrion’s statement is from a scene in Ep. 10). Once I’d had time to process the chapter from the book, my two takeaways from the RW were 1) how brutal it was, and 2) what a blow to morale it would be. Every Northern family lost kin, and the army was decimated. The RW was a move against a cause, an attempt to break their spirits and stifle any fledgling thoughts or efforts to reclaim Northern independence. ADWD and the final chapter of ASOS gave me hope that they haven’t lost heart, and that they’ll return, greater and stronger than ever.

    Here are two great threads from Westeros on a potential conspiracy by Northmen to reclaim their home and autonomy–spoilers galore, so if you haven’t read the books, you may want to steer clear.

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/77828-the-great-northern-conspiracy-reexamined/

    http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/80225-osha-and-rickon-a-pit-stop-in-white-harbor/

  397. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Unfortunately, Time requires a subscription for you to read the whole article. Got to feed the machine and those that maintain it. Wish I could share the Kindle/Android article with you.

    Speaking of the Buddhas of Bamiyan and real-life horror, read the novels by Khaled Hosseini (Kite Runner, 1000 Splendid Suns, & the Mountains Echoed). Such massive amount of history and culture being destroyed by those that seek to rule and force change. There are Joffreys everywhere. As GRRM reflected once, ASoI&F has some inspired roots in the War of the Roses, an event that has been repeated in so many ways throughout history.

  398. Nancy
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Agree with you 100%, the three deaths in the books that hurt my heart the most were Ned., Robb and Catelyn. Anyone who isn’t saddened by the manner of their deaths lacks a heart. Just as heart wrenching is how close Arya was to reuniting with her mother and brother. It does represent the loss of hope for the North. I do share the concerns about the lack of loyal Northmen shown on the show, I feel like the North Remembers storyline-which was the most powerful storyline for me in book 5-won’t have much of an impact. I do hope, as another commenter stated that perhaps we will see it through Davos’ eyes as he deals with House Manderly. I’m not ready for tonight’s episode. It’s the same ill feeling I felt the day Baelor aired.

  399. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Thank you Isabelle.

    I have been wanting to comment for a while.

    I really love this site and the content that comes with it, but as of late some of the comment discussions have devolved into a level of vitriol that I am not keen on.

    I am an avid lover of the books and I really enjoy the show. I haven’t commented because I didn’t want to get lumped in with the group of over the top book purist or zealots. These people who cannot separate the show from the books cause a lot of unnecessary grief and dissension in what was on otherwise positive forum.

    It has toned down some, but I can only imagine what sort of madness will ensue after tonight’s episode..

    In any case I do read the comments pretty regularly and there are a lot of great posters here, so perhaps I will not abstain from convo, but help contribute towards making it a balanced conversation with Sullied and Unsullied alike.

  400. We do not Hodor
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    If the spoilers are true then they are for the better. Seeing Cat laugh and claw her face is very unnecessary. It worked very well in the book but now that we have a visual medium all we need is superb acting from michelle fairlry that shows her despair

    This. I don’t know why people won’t accept the fact some things that work in a book, do not in film.

  401. js
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    I love how quoting tywins sister saying jaime is not “Tywins son” makes you think she meant it literally… despite even comparing him to the other lannisters hes similiar too… she clearly meant hes not “his son” to imply that he isn’t like him, tyrion is. Digging for more is just silly. “Salt and smoke” is not a reference to ham, come on guys… Danaerys is reborn… in the smoke of a funeral pyre… by the salt of the sea… as the stars bleed (Comet in the sky) Its pretty obvious.

  402. House Snow
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Timmen:
    JoffreyTrueKing,

    People I know IRL don’t suspect things like this or infer anything near the detail the ‘Unsullied’ do. What exactly are Unsullied on the internet, really? I have a hard time believing if they frequent GoT sites they are more into the show than an average person is, and have been exposed to way more, they don’t know things second hand and almost pretend to be oblivious. I saw a youtube review of an early episode this season, and when Roose is talking to Karstark about the Kingslayer, they said “And that guy looking at Robb, I think he might want to kill Robb.” …… Really? I think they’ve been somewhat spoiled and pretend to be clueless so they can seem prophetic or something, I don’t know lol..

    tl;dr I think Unsullied who visit GoT sites and things on internet aren’t truely as unspoiled as show viewers who just watch the show.

    Also, there will be a Wendell Manderly cast who will fill some role like what you’ve said this episode as Robb’s buddy i guess?

    I’m with you on that. There is a guy on one of the prominent unsullied website who has basically laid out whats going to happen for the rest of the show, but he has somehow managed to avoid getting banned. I mean guy has guessed the Littlefinger parts of the show based solely on the letter CAt received in season one, which I don’t care how observant you are isn’t possible, I feel sorry for the genuine unsullied they are definietly being spoiled,

  403. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    We do not Hodor,

    I believe that many people who consider themselves literary scholars think that they also have a strong grasp on film.

    The two mediums are so entirely different. One might argue that literature is a deeper and more profound medium (I suppose I can agree), and as a result this is why books are often so much better than their film counterparts.

    However in the case of Game of Thrones, I think it is apparent that D&D have gone to great lengths to interject their film vision of ASOIAF with as much of the literary meat as they can without it looking ridiculous on screen.

    By default, literature is required to be a bit more outlandish with its details, because imagery plays such an important part with reading. It is the duty of the author to conjure up emotion, context, life and vigor using words alone. This is why when GRRM spends so long describing a meal, or embellishing on Essos fashion, we get a better sense of the whole environment, literal and figurative.

    However, in film, one has to almost manage visual details because it is all so visceral and right and front of you. As a result some of our more favorite details from the text, would just give too much away on screen (i.e. – House of the Undying), or look absolutely ridiculous (Daario’s blue hair).

    The problem is, that most fans of ASOIAF, refuse to let go of their personal interpretation and think that anything that deviates from the source must be less than product. This is a common fallacy that is almost impossible to combat.

    I don’t think that the show has been perfect, but I could not ask for a better adaptation than what has been given to us. I, personally, can think of no other book series that would be harder to adapt than perhaps The Dark Tower series.

  404. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Good to know–some of the shops around here are a little lax on updating their magazines, so I’ll keep my eyes peeled for the print edition that includes the article!

    Khaled Hosseini’s books have been on my to-read list for ages. I have Kite Runner, and know he has a new one out, so perhaps this was the nudge I needed to get on with them. : ) It never ceases to amaze or enrage me how the same mistakes keep being made throughout our history, how people in positions of power either haven’t learned from the past, or are arrogant, naïve or stupid enough to think that what they do will result in a different outcome. (Or perhaps they don’t care at all, which is more frightening.) It can become very disheartening to think about, but you have to think about it to ensure you don’t let it slip past you and happen again, don’t you? I really do wish sometimes that the Varys and Littlefingers of our world would put their considerable abilities towards something productive instead of destructive.

    (Am thinking I’m approaching the territory of wistfulness and ranting, so should probably end there…but yes, food for thought. And, hopefully, nerve! : ) )

  405. Turncloak
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    js,

    We know that’s what Jaime’s aunt meant but the fact that she said it is clever foreshadowing. You think GRRM is obvious? Than you know nothing :). I suggest reading the article I posted and you might reconsider your stance

  406. Walter_Eagle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Can’t understand the concern that viewers are less invested in Robb than readers. His role is way, WAY bigger in the show than the books. In book 2 he just had a couple of brief appearances, in Season 2 he was a major character. His marriage was barely seen in the books, but is a focal point in the show. Other than maybe Littlefinger he probably has the most added scenes. Besides, investment in the idea of Robb is what matters. If someone feels he isn’t developed, they’ll still be shocked, because he’s been built up like he’ll be a main protagonist on the show for the long haul so people will expect to care about him and/or do want him to prevail.

  407. Modular
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing:
    Lycanthropist,

    As well, Sansa not making her escape this season is just another reason the impact is gonna be a little less than it was while reading. Her escape and subsequent transformation was the last nail in the coffin for the Starks and what we had come to hope for the North.

    that of course assumes no PW in episode 10, which seems to be accepted wisdom now. But don’t be too surprised if the teaser for next week shows his royal awfulness Joffrey exchanging vows with the beautiful and beloved Margaery. In that case–and personally I still think PW is very likely next week– then of course Sansa’s fire-to-pan escape will be just one bit of excitement in a chaotic season ender.

  408. Isabelle
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist,

    Please do comment more–am enjoying your posts immensely! The content here is fantastic, and it’s great that so many people frequent it, but yes, it can tend to become a battle between book vs show. I’m definitely guilty of it as well–it can be so difficult to separate the two sometimes, especially when it comes to characters or moments about which you’re passionate!

    Am hopping off to see a film now, but am looking forward to catching up when I return. Six hours to go! (And then, the aftermath!)

  409. Modular
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    We do not Hodor: This.I don’t know why people won’t accept the fact some things that work in a book, do not in film.

    Agree. It would be a TV story-telling decision similar to softening Tyrion’s injuries. Won’t harm the story in any meaningful way–I’m sure The actor will evoke her feelings bery mobingly, reinforcing the situation and action–and a lesser disfigurement will work better for all audiences in future appearances. IMO.

  410. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Many thanks to you WiC for connecting all those videos into one massive video that can be played as background while one plays Game of Thrones Ascent online waiting for the episode tonight!

    A woman has been avoiding the site because spoilers can even spoil it for the Sullied. But nothing can relieve the tension until the episode airs tonight, so do what you can to enjoy the day fellows!

  411. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Isabelle,

    Just wait until “Ender’s Game” comes out later this year. Another book vs. film passion fest that will rival LOTR and ASoI&F debates. All good, as long as the swords and daggers are checked at the door, said Lord Frey.

  412. Jacarb
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I try to remember, sometimes, what I was thinking and feeling when I first read the books. It’s hard because of how much the show, the forums, the rereads, and AWOIAF have piled on top of that. I don’t think I even noticed Dacey Mormont on the first pass even though I’m now very sad she isn’t in the show. I am in no position to guess what unsullied might be expecting or who they might care about, and I just flat-out don’t buy any comment that involves presuming what other viewers might think. I mean, yes, I expect to dine on the tears of YouTube reaction videos tonight, so I am making one big presumption, but different people like and dislike the show for different reasons. Some have probably made preternatural guesses about what’s coming up, others can’t remember that dwarf’s name. Everyone who watches or reads is going to have a different take, believe in certain motivations, reject others, and so on. Speculation that show-only folk won’t understand or won’t care because so-and-so wasn’t prominent enough now to matter later doesn’t make much sense to me. You just can’t know. Or, rather, yeah, some people will react like that. The real question is what proportion of the viewership they’ll represent.

  413. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    You know, something that has been bugging me since Season 2…is when…
    Ser Rodrik took 200 men to defend Moat Cailin. Even if we overlook the giant plot hole of having Ser Rodrik coming back alone to Winterfell, what happened to those 200 men?
    Did they vanish in thin air? Were they slaughtered? It was never explained.

  414. Hounded
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    5 Hours !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  415. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    The day is pensive and full of cicadas!

  416. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    WiC where is the Open Chat?

  417. jennyofoldstones
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Jeffe,

    Right on. Well said. I’m always uncomfortable with some people telling others what to do.

  418. Fabian
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Isabelle,

    Just wait until “Ender’s Game” comes out later this year. Another book vs. film passion fest that will rival LOTR and ASoI&F debates. All good, as long as the swords and daggers are checked at the door, said Lord Frey.

    But that one will have the added pleasure of Orson Scott Card’s… erm… controversial position regarding several issues being on the table along with the movie and book…

  419. Tereeza777
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar:
    Many thanks to you WiC for connecting all those videos into one massive video that can be played as background while one plays Game of Thrones Ascent online waiting for the episode tonight!

    A woman has been avoiding the site because spoilers can even spoil it for the Sullied. But nothing can relieve the tension until the episode airs tonight, so do what you can to enjoy the day fellows!

    Mrs. H’ghar,
    Hi – Jaqen’s new series “Crossing Lines” was picked up by NBC for the summer – starts June 23rd at 9pm Eastern. Looks promising!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W715YZBCi5Y
    Can’t wait for tonite! And can’t wait for next season – hopefully – Jaqen will return!

  420. Lili
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: No, it’s there. Try this link:
    http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D4IFD4I/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_dp_7y1Qrb0SBAJFS

    Just listen to the song number 16, guys! There’s no way it’s not going to be EPIC. Some people will always find something to criticize, but I predict we’ll all be very satisfied. With a broken heart, but counting the days, hours and minutes to episode 10 as long as the credits start to roll.

  421. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    “This castle hath a pleasant seat, the air
    Nimbly and sweetly recommends itself
    Unto our gentle senses.”
    MACBETH (I, vi, 1-3, Duncan)

    http://ewtvrecaps.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/twins_close.jpg

    ;-)

  422. We do not Hodor
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Lycanthropist:
    We do not Hodor,

    I don’t think that the show has been perfect, but I could not ask for a better adaptation than what has been given to us.I, personally, can think of no other book series that would be harder to adapt than perhaps The Dark Tower series.

    Bravo! I’ll drink to that. Love, love, love both versions of Ice and Fire. I prefer the books, but the actors do such a good job bringing their characters to life I now picture most of them on my rereads. Here’s to season 4 casting news, a Winds of Winter release date, and all my little Unsullied friends.

  423. Scott Glennon
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Well………………………….

    The North Remembers…………………

  424. dragonreborn
    Posted June 3, 2013 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I didn’t mean “that” for sure. no one wants such a thing here. we just dont want to be outcasted by our own prime minister. he justifies everything he does, saying I’m elected. Democrasy works as the majoritys dictatorship over minority here.

    Thanks for support. I didn’t mean to spam here. Most of the time I read every single comment in wic. I know all of you. I wanted to share with you.


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