Season 3 soundtrack releasing digitally June 4, track list revealed
By Winter Is Coming on in Merchandise.

The official soundtrack for Game of Thrones Season 3 is set to hit iTunes (and other digital music services, presumably) on June 4. A physical release will follow sometime thereafter. For now, you can pre-order the album on iTunes.

Also on iTunes is the full tracklisting, which contains some interesting song titles. Some of them could be considered spoilers, so I’ve hidden them after the break.

1. Main Title
2. A Lannister Always Pays His Debts
3. Dracarys
4. I Paid the Iron Price
5. Chaos is a Ladder
6. Dark Wings, Dark Words
7. You Know Nothing
8. Wall of Ice
9. Kingslayer
10. I Have To Go North
11. White Walkers
12. It’s Always Summer Under the Sea (performed by Kerry Ingram)
13. Reek
14. The Bear and the Maiden Fair (performed by The Hold Steady)
15. The Night is Dark
16. The Lannisters Send Their Regards
17. Heir to Winterfell
18. Mhysa
19. For the Realm

Winter Is Coming: Some interesting song titles there. Did they change the iconic “Jaime Lannister sends his regards” line? I can’t imagine that is going to go over too well. Also, “For the Realm” is the final song. Generally the final song on the soundtrack plays over the final scene in the season. So what event could that be referring to?


258 Comments

  1. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Hodor?!?

    I like that one of the song titles rhymes with meek :P.

  2. Matt S
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Digitally? Boo. I’ve got the other two in physical copies, would very much like the 3rd one in physical CD form too.

  3. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    If people are going to nerd rage over them changing it to “the Lannisters send their regards” than why didn’t they nerd rage after ep. 7 when Jaimie specifically tells Roose to tell Robb that “the Lannisters send their regards” and not “Jaimie Lannister sends his regards”. I thought it was obvious after that scene that they were changing it.

  4. Matt S
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Also it’s funny you mention the “Jamie Lannister Sends His Regards” thing. Coz I’ve always disliked that line and was hoping they’d change it for the show. Unpopular opinion maybe, but it’s what I think regardless.

  5. perks
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    I’m sure Reek is a very pleasant song.

  6. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    WiC: I think mentioning that Jaime sends his regards line is iconic falls into spoiler territory. And I reckon it will be changed to “The Lannister’s send their regards”, as that’s actually what Jaime said when departing Harrenhal in the show.

    As for “For the realm”. My personal favourite idea is Varys revealing Aegon is still alive. That’d be awesome. More likely, however, is Beric sacrificing himself “for the realm”

  7. Shmurb
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Matt S,

    You’re not alone, I agree! Especially for TV, it’ll make it a lot easier to follow what;s truly going on in that situation.

  8. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    My thought is that they are changing the line to the more broad “Lannisters send their regards” so that it makes sense when Stoneheart goes after ALL of the Lannisters, and not just Jaime. Not that Stoneheart’s actions need to make sense, being an undead wrathful sort, but maybe that was their thought process.

  9. Rockwife
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Reek…

  10. Viola
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Heir to Winterfell? So, are we going to see Robb declare Jon Snow his heir in the next episode? Or is it referring to Sansa? Hmm.

    Could ‘For the Realm’ be Tywin revealing his hand in the RW? He did it ‘for the realm’ perhaps? Pure speculation, of course.

  11. Turri
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    So what event could that be referring to?

    Hmmm, the shield that guards the realms of men? Jon up on the wall watching Mance’s army approach?

    “Regards” is almost 6 minutes, makes me think we’ll have a long music-only scene.

    Also, seems like somebody will learn his new name.

  12. Peter
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Matt S,

    Don’t worry, usual the physical CD is released before the end of June.

  13. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    Matt S:
    Also it’s funny you mention the “Jamie Lannister Sends His Regards” thing. Coz I’ve always disliked that line and was hoping they’d change it for the show. Unpopular opinion maybe, but it’s what I think regardless.

    I tend to agree. “Jaime Lannister sends his regards” was always confusing to me since even though Jaime did send his regards, he had nothing to do with the RW. The line lacked any sort of punch, as a result. That is why I was surprised when I kept hearing about how fans loved it. I personally don’t mind that they’ve changed it, although I know many people will nerdrage over it. I would have rather they changed it to “Tywin Lannister sends his regards” though.

  14. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    “For the realm” = new scene. As Cat’s body lies before them Thoros is reluctant to close his friend’s eyes for the last time. But Beric is adamant that it must be done. “For the realm.” Beric says. And thus we have UnCat. It’s a brilliant move if shown in this context. It ends the season with the hope of retribution, it’s magical and emotional at the same time. It also closes out the Beric/Thoros arc and will mirror Stannis’ decision if “we must go North” means what I think it means.

  15. Shmurb
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I mean I get why Roose said it in particular, since he’s kind of a troll and was like “Lol so Jaime told me to greet Robb, better do it, while I’m killing him. But yeah, I’m totally down for the change for the sake of making everything more clear

  16. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:06 am | Permalink

    “For the realm” made me think of the scene were Jon is murdered by the night watch men. Didn’t they repeat those words while stabbing him? I think they should have saved that name for THAT soundtrack. REEK makes me wonder too…

  17. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    Turri,

    The song lengths don’t mean anything. Most the time you don’t hear the entire song from the soundtrack on the show.

  18. DarkRavenous
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    I actually like the change to “The Lannisters Send Their Regards”

    When Stoneheart sets out to hang anyone involved in the red wedding this sets up the Lannisters as her targets and, not just Jaime. I really hope they let Stoneheat speak more than she does in the books. It would add more to her character and I am all for anything that gives Michelle more to do. Equally excited and dreading her death.

  19. Ser Tahu
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I disagree, I thought that the original line had many layers of meaning, most notably emphasising Roose’s treason, and how long Robb’s downfall had been planned/sealed for. “Hey Robb, remember that important Lannister that you had prisoner, but Catelyn released? I had a chance to bring him back but didn’t, ending what was essentially you’re last hope of striking a deal with the Lannisters weeks ago.”. While all that the new line really says is “Yeah, I was in the Lannister’s pockets, sorry…”. And because of that I think that the original line had much more power to it in the long term, both for Roose’s future and Robb’s campaign.

  20. Viola
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Dammit. I’m slow today.

    My theory: Season 1 ended with fire. Season 2 ended with ice. Season 3 ends with a song.

    We see it through Nymeria’s eyes. She comes across Catelyn’s body. The Rains of Castamere – or The Lannisters Send their Regards – starts playing. Cat opens her eyes. Black screen.

  21. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    DarkRavenous,

    I agree. Me thinks Lady Stoneheart will be featured much more in the series than in the books. It keeps Michelle Fairley around and maybe dive into aspects of Cat’s character that hasn’t been explored before…you know.

  22. JamesL
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    It might also confuse the audience and make them think that Jaimie had something to do with the Red Wedding.

  23. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Wonder if “Dracarys” is the song played in the credits of Ep. 4

  24. Hard Truths
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    I think that the people involved in the show are purposely trying to trick the book readers (e.g., the synopsis for Second Sons that said “Sam and Gilly meet an old man.”) The only reason that was put in was to trick book readers into thinking Coldhands was going to be in the episode. I think something similar is going on with the “Myhsa” title for episode 10. They want book readers to assume it deals with Dany’s plot, but I think it really refers to Joffrey crying out “mother” as he dies. So based on that, my guess is that Joffrey will die in the second to last scene of the episode and “For the Realm” will be played over a Stannis scene. I think Balon is probably going to die at some point over the next two episodes either on or off screen and that the final scene of the season will include Stannis gloating over the deaths of all the usurpers and Davos reading him the letter from the Nights Watch.

  25. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    I’m wondering too about the “Reek” introduction ! It’s gonna be tough for it not to be cheesy !

    “Heir to the Realm” could be the will, actually, we’ll see in a couple of days.

    “The Lannister send their regards” is the line Jaime told Roose at Harrenhal. They really dont want the audience to think Jaime is really responsible, so it works.

    “I Paid the Iron Price” will be a variant of the amazing “Iron Price” theme ! The best one in the series so far (I guess it is the one heard on Theon’s escape).

    “For the Realm” is a real enigma. I guess we will hear it during the finale and the credits. Maybe UnCat (if it is the final scene) will have no soundtrack at all (could rock) and then, credits.

    Are we sure we never heard the “I have to go North” so far in the season ? Could it be referring to Bran ? Someone will have to check the Bran scenes this season to see if the music there is brand new or not (if it is brand new, it is probably the “I have to go North” one).
    If not, it could refer to Stannis decision ! Oh I so want the letter to end Stannis arc ! I cling to every hope ! ^^

  26. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    While I am bummed in this regard the change is superlogical from a writing for television perspective. Jaime Lannister is not involved with the RW. The line from the book implies that though we know that it does not. What you argue involves subtlety, a type which would exist had Roose been developed in a fashion akin to the source material. Alas for the show, they went in a slightly (if similar) different direction. If its “Jaime Lannister sends his regards” than as some have already mentioned above it weakens Jaime’s “redemption” arc. All the work and effort made to make him redeemable in the viewer’s eyes would be sullied. It’s a line that works in a book but not on television when one is balancing a reader and non-reader audience. I daresay it was not a easy decision to make and I’m sure Bryan Cogman has a story behind it for us one day.

    I will say this though: It will take many reader fans out of the moment at a crucial dramatic time. It seems for us Sullied this series is designed to drive our Purist anxieties on the initial watch. Thus allowing us to acclimate to the changes on the rewatch.

  27. Yago
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Damn, why did they change it… I really loved that line. Oh well. “Heir to Winterfell” does sound interesting though.

  28. Stannis
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    I sincerely hope for the Realm isn’t in relation to what I fear it is. Thing about this show is they really don’t like suspense. The whole point of the Lady Stoneheart reveal is you have no idea it’s coming and then BOOM she is “alive” and hangs a Frey. For Catelyn to die in the penultimate episode and then to be revived in the finale is just all sorts of wrong. The Lady Stoneheart reveal was one of the most epic and shocking things for me in the book and it comes after a long period of time assuming Cat is dead. It would be like if they had Wyman Manderley tell everyone that the north remembers 5 minutes after the red wedding and to be honest if that doesn’t happen I will be surprised. HBO let the audience be in suspense for a little while please.

  29. Baihu1983
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    Cool, Ill wait for the disc.

  30. J.Hancorn
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    I’ve also always disliked the ‘Jaime sends his regards’ line, particularly as it seems to damage his name with the events of the RW when he had nothing to do with it.

    So I’m glad it seems like they’ve made a change, makes much more sense to me. :)
    ‘For the Realm’ could be anything, it’s most synonymous with Varys though, would be nice if he gets the last scene/line of the series, but to me I thought it’s most likely to be Mance Raydar’s army approaching the Wall.

    I also sincerely hope they don’t reveal Stoneheart’s revival at the end of this series, as previously mentioned it would kill the shock of the reveal of it. Wouldn’t surprise me though.

  31. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I tend to agree. “Jaime Lannister sends his regards” was always confusing to me since even though Jaime did send his regards, he had nothing to do with the RW.

    You’re right, but that’s precisely why I liked the line so much. Because in all likelihood Jaime had meant it sarcastically, intending to be a wise ass. I’m sure he didn’t expect the message to be delivered in the manner at was at the time he said it. He may have even meant the comment seriously, because you know he at least respects Robb. The irony was delicious. The changed line is pretty generic, IMO.

  32. J.Hancorn
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Oh I also think ‘Heir to Winterfell’ refers to the Bolton’s, perhaps specifically Ramsay. So that’ll be nice and happy…

  33. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    “Lannister sends their regards” has more or less 5 minutes..So I guess we know how long the massacre scene will be

    “Reek”! Very ansious!

    Have we already heard “White Walkers” and “a Lannister always pays his debts”? Curious about these two.

    I was betting for the final scene Lady Stoneheart, but “For the realm” makes me think about the Night’s Watch. What does Beric sacrificing himself to Catelyn has to do with the realm?

    Sorry for my English.

  34. Ours is the Fury
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    A practical reason for the SH reveal to happen much sooner, like in the finale:
    because if Michelle Fairley is seen around Belfast and the set for filming in season 4, the UnCat would be out of the bag. Keeping her return secret during filming over several months and not having Michelle promoting season 4 or anything at all will be difficult.

  35. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    J.Hancorn,

    I really like the idea of Heir to Winterfell being Ramsay. Since I’m positive the season will end with him being legitimized by Joff and Tywin… maybe even introducing the FakeArya plot.

  36. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    A practical reason for the SH reveal to happen much sooner, like in the finale:
    because if Michelle Fairley is seen around Belfast and the set for filming in season 4, the UnCat would be out of the bag. Keeping her return secret during filming over several months and not having Michelle promoting season 4 or anything at all will be difficult.

    Maybe, though they kept Drogo’s cameo in the season 2 finale a secret. I hope she’s not in the last episode. Too soon.

  37. Alice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    J.Hancorn,

    Viola,

    Arkash,

    Yago,

    Am I the only one who thinks “Heir to Winterfell” is the song that plays when Talisa says to Robb that she’s pregnant ?

  38. coronaking
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Arkash:
    I’m wondering too about the “Reek” introduction ! It’s gonna be tough for it not to be cheesy !

    I don’t think it would be that difficult. Ramsay could just say, somewhen, “You reek” and Theon answeres something like “Yes, my Lord. I reek … I’m reeking … I’m Reek…” and then zooming away from him lying somewhere in the dark whispering on and on (“Reek, reek … it rhymes with weak…”). Making Theon’s story arc for the season ending with him being a completely broken man. I’d like that.

  39. Bard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Lord Commander Mormont: “A man of the Night’s Watch lives his life for the realm. Not for a king, nor a lord, nor the honor of this house or that house, neither for gold nor glory nor a woman’s love, but for the realm, and all the people in it.”

    I predict that we will see the Battle of Castle Black in Episode 10. Or (more likely) the season could end with a cliffhanger shortly before the battle begins.

  40. Isabelle
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    “The Lannisters Send Their Regards”–arg, we’re getting so close to RW!!! Sunday (and Monday) is going to be so surreal. I’ll miss the original wording simply because the line was so iconic, but the change to “Lannisters” is much more encompassing, as others have pointed out.

    “Heir to Winterfell”–has to the be discussion of Robb’s will/the decree to legitimise Jon and disinherit Sansa. Might also include a moment where Robb and Talisa ponder and coo over their future child.

    “For the Realm”–this actually made me think of Jon. Perhaps a variation of this will play as he reaches Castle Black as he’ll probably spit out a line or two about doing what he had to do for the realm. Same theme could cover Lady Stoneheart’s potential awakening and/or Stannis’ decision to head north.

  41. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    Another example of the subtleties of the novel watered down because of the catch 22 that exists. We have an ASOIAF adaptation and its pretty great thus far only it’s longevity and continuing popularity though attributable to the built in reader audience also relies on the casual viewer. This same portion of the audience transfixed by the series since Ned lost his head (or before) who may not know all the names of the characters but love the world. Alas, the ironies and juicy details present- lets be honest RIFE-in Martin’s text are lost. This is another casualty. As much as I mourn the change yet understand why it is so I am glad I am aware of it prior to Sunday’s episode.

  42. Stannis
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    A practical reason for the SH reveal to happen much sooner, like in the finale:
    because if Michelle Fairley is seen around Belfast and the set for filming in season 4, the UnCat would be out of the bag. Keeping her return secret during filming over several months and not having Michelle promoting season 4 or anything at all will be difficult.

    She is Irish, I think a lot of non book readers would just assume she was visiting or she was in some kid of dream sequence again. I don’t think filming practicalities should come before good story telling.

  43. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    But unless they change LS plot entirely, Michelle would be in like 4 scenes in the season, or less? I think there is not much space for her in the series and her plot is not so important. What are we going to see? The BwB hanging Freys? My opinion is that we are only going to see LS after her ressurection only when Brienne meets her.

  44. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    J.Hancorn:

    I also sincerely hope they don’t reveal Stoneheart’s revival at the end of this series, as previously mentioned it would kill the shock of the reveal of it. Wouldn’t surprise me though.

    I’ve seen people say this all the time and I just don’t get it. How exactly would it kill the shock of the reveal of it? How does having a main character’s corpse pulled from the river by a direwolf, then resurrected via sacrifice of another prominent character become LESS shocking if it happens 1 episode from now as opposed to 10? If anything, I feel that having it happen at the end of season 4 would seem like a jump-the-shark moment. It would come out of total left field. This season there has been lots of time devoted to establishing the power of R’hllor and time spent building-up his ability to bring people back to life. So concluding the season on the ultimate resurrection seems well earned and makes for a great cliffhanger. Next season, it would just feel like a cheap twist, IMO.

  45. Veltigar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    For the realm: Davos reading the letter to Stannis and their departure to the wall?

  46. Veltigar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I’ve seen people say this all the time and I just don’t get it. How exactly would it kill the shock of the reveal of it? How does having a main character’s corpse pulled from the river by a direwolf, then resurrected via sacrifice of another prominent character become LESS shocking if it happens 1 episode from now as opposed to 10? If anything, I feel that having it happen at the end of season 4 would seem like a jump-the-shark moment. It would come out of total left field. This season there has been lots of establishing the power of R’hllor and build-up over his ability to bring people back to life. So concluding the season on the ultimate resurrection seems well earned and makes for a great cliffhanger. Next season, it would feel like a cheap twist.

    Maybe they shouldn’t show that scene at all? Wouldn’t it be a lot more powerfull if aeveryone thinks she’s dead and then BOOM she returns and hangs that Frey. They can tell the story of her revival when Brienne brings them a visit.

  47. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Stannis: She is Irish, I think a lot of non book readers would just assume she was visiting or she was in some kid of dream sequence again. I don’t think filming practicalities should come before good story telling.

    Umm…you do realize this is the film/ television industry right? This shit happens all the time.

  48. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    I’m the only that thinks when Nymeria pulls out Catelyn body from the water and them we see the BwB it’s obvious what will happen? I really liked the epilogue from aSoS because we just know about LS identity in the last second..

    That is the reason that I think that LS ressurection should be off screen. Unless they do it a different way.

  49. Michelle
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    I really hope For the Realm isn’t Beric and Undead Cat. I really want them to save that moment, let people think Cat is gone for a while. It just feels anti-climatic to me. I really hope it’s either Mance at the Wall or Stannis deciding to go to the Wall.

    Either way I’m sure it will be appropriately epic!

  50. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Veltigar: Maybe they shouldn’t show that scene at all? Wouldn’t it be a lot more powerfull if aeveryone thinks she’s dead and then BOOM she returns and hangs that Frey. They can tell the story of her revival when Brienne brings them a visit.

    No. If you have a truly shocking supernatural event that involves several principal characters, you show it. You don’t shuffle it off-screen.

  51. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    My two main wishes for the finale may come true according to those titles, actually :

    - Heir to Winterfell / Reek : Ramsay’s reveal and legitimized.

    - For the Realm : the Letter the Letter !

    *crossing fingers*

  52. Veltigar
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    about heir to WF Since it’s listed behind “The lannisters send their…” doesn’t that mean that the song will come after ‘the lannisters’. I think that they are going to kill the BF and just skipp the whole JS as heir storyline and play “heir to WF” when Sansa gets the message about her brothers demise

  53. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Josla:
    “For the realm” made me think of the scene were Jon is murdered by the night watch men. Didn’t they repeat those words while stabbing him? I think they should have saved that name for THAT soundtrack. REEK makes me wonder too…

    No, that’s “For the watch”

  54. Michael of his Name
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Marching on Castle Black would make a pretty good cliffhanger, could be the final Scene, but since every season so far endet with an unnatural/fantasy event (birth of dragons, white walkers ) i think “Uncat” would also be a good season final scene.

    Remember Arya in the cave asking Thoros: Could u bring back a man without a head ?

    Ok, she still has her head, but she is in a bad shape and pretty much dead for a while …

    Hope for that Scene …

  55. Alice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Battle at the fist of the first men much ?

  56. Kyrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Heir to Winterfellreminds me of Bran some reason. I think thats the queenscrown soundtrack

  57. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I’ve seen people say this all the time and I just don’t get it. How exactly would it kill the shock of the reveal of it? How does having a main character’s corpse pulled from the river by a direwolf, then resurrected via sacrifice of another prominent character become LESS shocking if it happens 1 episode from now as opposed to 10? If anything, I feel that having it happen at the end of season 4 would seem like a jump-the-shark moment. It would come out of total left field. This season there has been lots of establishing the power of R’hllor and build-up over his ability to bring people back to life. So concluding the season on the ultimate resurrection seems well earned and makes for a great cliffhanger. Next season, it would feel like a cheap twist.

    Exactly my feelings. I also wondered what difference it makes. In my opinion that’s a perfect ending of the! season

  58. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Arkash:
    My two main wishes for the finale may come true according to those titles, actually :

    - Heir to Winterfell / Reek : Ramsay’s reveal and legitimized.

    - For the Realm : the Letter the Letter !

    *crossing fingers*


    I don’t think that would be a very dramatic way to end the season, though. Unless they have Davos or Stannis read the letter as the camera is north of the wall, watching the Wildlings gather Beyond-the-Wall for their attack.

  59. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I’ve seen people say this all the time and I just don’t get it. How exactly would it kill the shock of the reveal of it? How does having a main character’s corpse pulled from the river by a direwolf, then resurrected via sacrifice of another prominent character become LESS shocking if it happens 1 episode from now as opposed to 10? If anything, I feel that having it happen at the end of season 4 would seem like a jump-the-shark moment. It would come out of total left field. This season there has been lots of establishing the power of R’hllor and build-up over his ability to bring people back to life. So concluding the season on the ultimate resurrection seems well earned and makes for a great cliffhanger. Next season, it would feel like a cheap twist.

    Exactly my feelings. I also wondered what difference it makes. In my opinion that’s a perfect ending of the season!

  60. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Alice,

    Ouch! She got you there Winter!

    LS would be easier to film than Fist of the First Men however.

  61. Shock Me Sane
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I’m 90% sure we’ll see it in ep10, the 10% being if they remove it entirely. Talking a well regarded actress into playing a zombie for 4-5 years with almost no speaking lines may prove difficult. But then again, they made it through season 3 giving her one speech and about 4 other lines, so who knows.

  62. Michael of his Name
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Does anyone know if “Sean Bean” will make an appearance on the red wedding ?

  63. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Michael of his Name:
    Did anyone know if “Sean Bean” will make an appearance on the red wedding ?

    Why would he?

  64. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Alice:
    Winter Is Coming,

    Battle at the fist of the first men much ?

    Bad comparison. For starters, they showed the main shock of the event, in all of its supernatural glory, with the S2 ending. The battle itself wasn’t shown for budgetary reasons. There wouldn’t be any budgetary concerns to get in the way of showing UnCat. It’s a small scene with the only “effects” being some makeup.

  65. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Shock Me Sane,

    She has several lines in ep 1. A speech in ep 2 and ep 3 with several lines in 5, 6 and 7 to be precise. She will probably have a shitload in 9.

    I predict ep 9 will be the first episode without any Lannisters appearing.

  66. Stannis
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: event that involves several principal characters, you show it. You don’t shuffle it off-screen.

    Completely disagree, the scene in the books is powerful because you don’t know about it. It comes as such a shock because you have almost forgotten about her and you forget about the possibility of a revival that when it happens it’s like “Oh holy shit!” moment instead in the show it will be like, “Oh ok that makes sense”. They don’t have to show everything on screen. As well seeing Catelyn as Lady Stoneheart is shocking because you don’t see that progression all of a sudden the character is there right in front of you and completely different to how you remember her. It’s like the whole Reek thing, it was shocking in the books because the Theon you knew is gone and you didn’t see that transformation because it isn’t as effective. Much like how in the show the Reek storyline will not be as effective because we have watched it all happen. HBO do not like to keep the audience in the dark about things like this. They have to show you everyone hand and motivations along with every transformation instead of keeping you in suspense.

  67. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    I think all the theories about the ending of GoT Season 3 are interesting but please note that the title of the episode is “Mhysa”….the episode will approach the mother theme from all angles and most likely end on that theme. That would be consistent with many other episodes this season.

  68. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    1. Main Title – It’s the main title.
    2. A Lannister Always Pays His Debts – ? A Tyrion/Twyin scene talking about the RW?
    3. Dracarys – When Dany burns Astapor
    4. I Paid the Iron Price – I think it’s when Theon confesses to the Boy that he didn’t burn the Starks kids.
    5. Chaos is a Ladder – LF speech.
    6. Dark Wings, Dark Words – Played in the second episode of the season, but I can’t remember when.
    7. You Know Nothing – Probably already played in some scene with Jon/Ygritte. Maybe in the cave?
    8. Wall of Ice – When the wildings and Jon are climbing the Wall.
    9. Kingslayer – I think it’s from the bath scene.
    10. I Have To Go North – ? Davos reading the letter to Stannis or something related to Bran
    11. White Walkers – Probably the first scene of the season
    12. It’s Always Summer Under the Sea (performed by Kerry Ingram) – Final of ep 5
    13. Reek – Ramsay reveal!
    14. The Bear and the Maiden Fair (performed by The Hold Steady) – Final of ep. 3
    15. The Night is Dark – Leeches scene?
    16. The Lannisters Send Their Regards - RW
    17. Heir to Winterfell – ?Robb and Cat talking about Jon?
    18. Mhysa – Dany takes Yunkai.
    19. For the Realm – Final scene of the season! I don’t have idea.

  69. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Well, episode 9 will be the first episode of the series not to feature King’s Landing.

    And the second not featuring Peter Dinklage, after 1×07.

  70. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Heir to Winterfell: Ramsay. I hope they also include the fake Arya plot so all of his scenes can have a payoff
    The Lannisters send their regards: would like to hear the debate in the writers room over this change.
    For the Realm: Varys kills Pycelle. I think the actor who plays Pycelle has complained over his lack of scenes and I can see this being moved up. It will also make room for Qyborn to become the new Maester.
    Mysha: Dany and Lady Catelyn

  71. Michael of his Name
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Michael of his Name,

    would be nice, to help her over the “PAIN” … like a “Letting go sequence”

    … everyone has to die sometime->kiddo …

  72. Alice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Just teasing you :)

    I just couldn’t resist because I thought the exact same thing when I was robbed of the battle in episode 301. I understand the budgetary reasons, it’s just a shame the battle didn’t make it to the screen.

    But yeah, the event you refer to is simply too awesome not to be shown, I think.

  73. coronaking
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    I think all the theories about the ending of GoT Season 3 are interesting but please note that the title of the episode is “Mhysa”….the episode will approach the mother theme from all angles and most likely end on that theme. That would be consistent with many other episodes this season.

    If you look back it’s very rare that the episode title refers to more than one scene or one scory arc (except for maybe “Garden of Bones” and “A Golden Crown” and some universal phrases like “Winter is Coming” and “Valar Morghulis”). I agree with the theory that Lady Stoneheart will end the season, but you can’t argue with “themes” that are specific for certain episodes. Most of the times there are none.

  74. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Shock Me Sane,

    She hasseveral lines in ep 1. A speech in ep 2 and ep 3 with several lines in 5, 6 and 7 to be precise. She will probably have a shitload in 9.

    I predict ep 9 will be the first episode withoutany Lannisters appearing.


    I’m fairly certain Peter Dinklage’s contract stipulates he has to be in every episode.

  75. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Michael of his Name,

    I’m already visualizing Michelle Fairley saying “not my hair, Ned always loved my hair”. Ugh. I’m devastated already. Despite the line change this is going to be epic in a severe, depressing uncomfortable sort of way.

  76. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    What will work better? Ramsay reveal before or after RW? (In the same time of the RW is cheesy for me, it would take the impact of the scene itself)

  77. Michael of his Name
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    … come on.. i would like this Scene : ” Ned – make the pain go away”

    shit cant find my book …

  78. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Alice,

    I definitely agree with you there. I was bummed we didn’t get to see the battle proper. I will be even more bummed if we don’t see the Lady Stoneheart reveal at the end of this season. Missed opportunity, for sure.

  79. Chris
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Stannis,

    This is just an issue everyone everyone has to get over, just like how Theon was in this season and not shuffled to the sidelines for two seasons. Its NOT a book, its a television show. As such, actors are on contract, and you can’t just take them off and expect them to definitely come back a year later. I’ll be shocked if Stoneheart is not in Ep. 10. I also imagine she won’t get her throat slit and will talk more than in the books. Its just an issue of adaptation. And before someone uses him as an example, yes, Ser Barristan vanished for an entire season and came back, but he was not a regular character.

  80. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Ramsay’s reveal should appear in episode 10.

    I’ve said it a hundred times over the past weeks, but I so could see a scene at KL with Tywin and Joffrey making him legit, a real Bolton to thank them for the RW. And Tywin stating that “Lord Bolton son will be given Arya Stark to marry and thus will enter the line of succession of Winterfell”.

    And becomes official heir when Sansa disapears after the PW.

  81. LilJonUmber
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Michel:
    6. Dark Wings, Dark Words – Played in the second episode of the season, but I can’t remember when.
    17. Heir to Winterfell – ?Robb and Cat talking about Jon?

    I think #6 is the end credits of ep. 2 after Locke captures Jamie and Brienne.

    #17, I’m thinking, is them revealing that part of Roose’s “arrangement” was to legitimize his bastard and wed him to Arya, thus making Ramsay heir to winterfell. I just think the payoff’s gotta be pretty significant since they’ve teased the unsullied with this reveal for so long.

    And it would set up Arya’s motivation for fleeing to Braavos next season.

  82. outdoorcats
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    I knew they would change the line when Jaime said it that way in Episode 7. Nerd rage or no, this change makes perfect sense to me. Otherwise, half the fanbase would have been going, “WHAT? JAIME LANNISTER WAS INVOLVED IN THE RED WEDDING? I’M BACK TO HATING HIM NOW!!”

    The first time I read the books, I thought it was some sort of unsolved mystery as to why Roose Bolton said that, since obviously Jaime mentions in his internal POV what a shock the RW comes to him and poor Brienne. Then I read them again and noticed in particular the part where Roose says ‘Give my regards to your lord father’ and Jaime responds ‘Give my regards to Robb Stark,’ and realized there was no mystery at all, just that Roose Bolton was a sarcastic ass (and giving Lady Stoneheart a reason to hate Jaime with a vengeance – which more or less remains intact in this version). But most TV fans wouldn’t pick up on that and would just assume Jaime was involved in the conspiracy, basically invalidating his redemption arc in the eyes of many.

    So, smart change.

  83. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Michael of his Name,

    Same scene, it’s the line right before or after.

  84. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    coronaking,

    I’ve always thought that a lot of consideration went into the titles of these episodes this season. “The Climb”, “Second Sons”, ….to name a few. All of these episodes have themes related to the title. Also, if your read the episode essays by Tyler Davis on this site, he does a wonderful job pointing out the significance of the title to most of the storylines in the related episode.
    Regardless, I am on the edge of my seat for the last 2 episodes of this season. Great escape from the mundane.

  85. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Chris,

    Darn you! I was getting my Ser Barristan counter argument locked and loaded :p

  86. Stannis
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Chris:
    Stannis,

    This is just an issue everyone everyone has to get over, just like how Theon was in this season and not shuffled to the sidelines for two seasons. Its NOT a book, its a television show. As such, actors are on contract, and you can’t just take them off and expect them to definitely come back a year later. I’ll be shocked if Stoneheart is not in Ep. 10. I also imagine she won’t get her throat slit and will talk more than in the books. Its just an issue of adaptation. And before someone uses him as an example, yes, Ser Barristan vanished for an entire season and came back, but he was not a regular character.

    I understand that but I can’t see Stoneheart being anything more than a guest star like Barristan and a host of other characters. If she were to be in 6-7 episodes a season that would be a terrible mistake and we would end up sitting through a lot of filler scenes like Brans or Dany in season 2. There is a risk they could lose the actor like Greatjon I guess however I fear the story would suffer from having small characters having more screen time. Shame really.

  87. outdoorcats
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    They said, “For the Watch” IIRC

  88. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    The Cat resurrection happens 3 days after the RW so it would make chronological sense to have it in episode 10. Also I can’t wait for Jon to find out about the fate of his family

  89. Isabelle
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Hard Truths,

    I’m definitely still holding out for Joffrey to die by season’s end! : )

    Also, Ellie Kendrick confirmed that Bran and co. will meet Gilly and Sam this season–perhaps “Heir to Winterfell” will lead into their meeting.

    Veltigar:

    about heir to WF Since it’s listed behind “The lannisters send their…” doesn’t that mean that the song will come after ‘the lannisters’. I think that they are going to kill the BF and just skipp the whole JS as heir storyline and play “heir to WF” when Sansa gets the message about her brothers demise

    Really nice idea about Sansa, but I don’t think the songs necessarily have to be in order. “Chaos is a Ladder” definitely came after some of those other ones and it’s almost at the top of the list.

  90. Lord Elrosir
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    As far as them changing the “Jamie Lannister sends his regards” to “The Lannisters send their regards”, it makes sense. Jamie is on his redemption arc right now and for a television viewer, a single comment like that would make Jamie seem as the architect rather than Tywin.

  91. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I mean I guess what I don’t get is how the change implicates Jaime any less (to the reader/viewer) than the original line, considering he did say the words anyway, and audiences would probably wonder at his involvement regardless. The fun of the line is just Roose trolling them both. Maybe Roose thinks Jaime would approve of his action but clearly Jaime’s become more honorable than that.

  92. outdoorcats
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Stannis,

    Thank you. I felt like until you that I was the only one who thought Lady Stoneheart in literally ONE EPISODE after Catelyn dies is so soon it completely invalidates the power of her death. As the guy says in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang about fake deaths, ‘Why not bring them ALL back?’ [in walks Abraham Lincoln, etc.] I think a lot of Unsullied would see that as Jumping the Shark for GoT. If she’s revealed at the end of S4, it would be a nice amount of time afterwards, and it would be obvious by then this is not the same Catelyn, if it is indeed Catelyn at all and not just a ‘host’ that has taken over her corpse.

  93. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats:
    Josla,

    They said, “For the Watch” IIRC

    Thanks
    I was wrong about that it seems :b

  94. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    But he didn’t say the exact words though. He said the “Lannisters”. I think it’s obvious how the line implicates him. At least to the casual viewer. Again, the producers felt it was a smart move. But was it the right move?

    Sometimes this show takes risks when you don’t expect it to and then completely wimps out with other elements. Frustrating I know.

  95. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    It’s not obvious to anyone until the scene plays out. Ever heard of paraphrasing? I’m sure most people aren’t perfect parrots to each other when relaying messages. Let’s reserve all uninformed judgment (and it’s all uninformed at this point) until it actually happens.

    Matt S,

    It is a plot point, and more memorable than “Sorry about the sapphires.” I highly doubt the line will be altered WHEN DELIVERED IN THE CONTEXT THAT MATTERS MOST.

    Sorry, that last bit wasn’t directed at you. More at everyone already assuming the line’s been changed before the proper timing has even aired. -_-

  96. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats:
    Stannis,

    Thank you. I felt like until you that I was the only one who thought Lady Stoneheart in literally ONE EPISODE after Catelyn dies is so soon it completely invalidates the power of her death. As the guy says in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang about fake deaths, ‘Why not bring them ALL back?’ [in walks Abraham Lincoln, etc.] I think a lot of Unsullied would see that as Jumping the Shark for GoT. If she’s revealed at the end of S4, it would be a nice amount of time afterwards, and it would be obvious by then this is not the same Catelyn, if it is indeed Catelyn at all and not just a ‘host’ that has taken over her corpse.

    In the narrative, Cat’s resurrection took place 3 days after her death. In real-time, it probably took you about a week, maybe two, to get from the RW to the end of ASOS. Basically the same amount of real-time viewers of the show would experience if they do it at the end of this season. Whereas the end of S4 will be one year from now. How many new viewers will even remember who Beric and Thoros are by then?

  97. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    No it doesn’t. One year after for the revelation will weaken the scene. It needs to happen this season.

  98. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I dunno man, I’m glad I am prepared for it. I won’t be taken out of the moment when it occurs.

    That’s said, fucking casual viewers! We thank you for watching the show but did you have to give the showrunners the pretense that your a bunch of yokels! Isn’t subtlety, symbolism, expanded story scope, irony and slow burn payoffs the bee knees? It’s okay you can admit it. If only Hollywood knew. Sigh.

  99. Michel
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: death. In real-time, it probably took you about a week, maybe two, to get from the RW to the end of ASOS. Basically the same amount of real-time viewers of the show would experience if they do it at the end of this season. Whereas the end of S4 will be one year from now. How many new viewers will even remember who Beric and Thoros are by then?

    What? New viewers are not so dumb as many of us (readers think). Of course they would remember Thoros and Beric, and if not, it’s just show in the “Previously on”

  100. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    A thousand times this. It shouldn’t take Cat’s body the gap between seasons to wash up because it simply didn’t. Her resurrection followed soon after the RW and it sounds like a remerkable payoff for the wonderful Beric-Thoros exposition seen through Arya’s eyes. That anyone could take issue with the notion of Stoneheart’s instroduction in the finale is beyond me. Don’t people like awesome book-faithful scenes that we didn’t get to “see” in the novels?

    Joshua Taylor,

    While I’m not certain whether there is a real change (and fail to see why so many people can be confident it’s a done deal), I wouldn’t be fazed if the writers did alter the line. It doesn’t change up the plot all that much, and if anything, it reinforces Tywin’s role instead of distracting viewers with the Jaime namedrop. This isn’t about absolving Jaime. Such a change would only solidify Tywin’s masterstroke and attribute the blame to all his house, which is perfectly suitable motivation for Stoneheart. She’d still have reasons to assume Jaime’s an asshole knowing her family was once again struck hard by the Lannisters.

  101. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    If it hasn’t been altered than why is the track listing suggesting it so? To me this “spoiler track” is a “Qui-Gon’s Noble End” situation.

  102. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Hard Truths,
    No that’s not going to happen at all

  103. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I think it’s important that people can watch the show as a show. Honestly, even among non-readers, the only people I see catching onto the show’s subtleties (and there are plenty there even considering the choices made in its adaptation) are people who actively read, write, or otherwise analyze other substantive materials. That is to say, active watchers. I think the show is rich enough to reward these people, as well as book readers, and there is enough sex and violence to signal to others that this is one of the best shows evar. That’s enough for me. The compromises made are well short of what we’d get if GRRM ever caved in to Hollywood proper and its butcher streak.

  104. Michael of his Name
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    find my book Joshua ;-)

    Pretty sure now … first scene of season 4 will be Epilog of “Storm of Swords”

    Last scene season 3 ” Uncat”

    btw … who the f … cares for the lannisters … tyrion will be ” Hand of Daenerys” … Jaime will be executed by Lady Stoneheart … Tywin -> Shits no Gold … and Cersei -> well, i am not sure about that -> maybe a prostitute in wtfdik …

  105. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Ugh. Got me there. It doesn’t bother me either way, but I was holding onto my reaction to conclusions drawn from the Roose-Jaime exchange, which I didn’t see as proof enough of the change.

  106. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    WompWomp:
    Winter Is Coming,

    A thousand times this. It shouldn’t take Cat’s body the gap between seasons to wash up because it simply didn’t. Her resurrection followed soon after the RW and it sounds like a remerkable payoff for the wonderful Beric-Thoros exposition seen through Arya’s eyes. That anyone could take issue with the notion of Stoneheart’s instroduction in the finale is beyond me. Don’t people like awesome book-faithful scenes that we didn’t get to “see” in the novels?

    Joshua Taylor,

    While I’m not certain whether there is a real change (and fail to see why so many people can be confident it’s a done deal), I wouldn’t be fazed if the writers did alter the line. It doesn’t change up the plot all that much, and if anything, it reinforces Tywin’s role instead of distracting viewers with the Jaime namedrop. This isn’t about absolving Jaime. Such a change would only solidify Tywin’s masterstroke and attribute the blame to all his house, which is perfectly suitable motivation for Stoneheart. She’d still have reasons to assume Jaime’s an asshole knowing her family was once again struck hard by the Lannisters.

    I can’t understand why some people are still whining IF they changed “Jaime sends his regards” by “The Lannisters send their regards”
    Isn’t he a Lannister anyway?

  107. Bard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    They already altered Jaime’s line in episode 7. When he departs from Harrenhal, he asks Roose Bolton to tell Robb that “the Lannisters send their regards” at his uncle’s wedding.

  108. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    My apologies for replying in a huff. People actually did nerd rage after that scene, but I didn’t see it as definitive confirmation of the switch. After the song title seeped in, it’s hard to argue with the notion now. I won’t be flipping any shits over the change, but not sure why anyone else would when the change ultimately suits the show’s purposes better.

    Josla,

    Exactly. It makes sense either way. Of course the book’s version carries its own subtleties, but nothing that gamechanging at all. Haters gonna hate, if you catch my meaning. #OurLividLadyofLight

  109. Ser Pounce-a-Lot
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I really hope that if one of these refers to Davos and the letter, it’s “For the Realm” and not “I Have to Go North.” IF we get the letter scene in the season finale, it needs to be really vague. I would hate to even hear the awesome “Save the realm…” line yet because their arrival north of the Wall is one of the great surprises, and we already have the “great battle in the snow” vision (even though I suspect that one has yet to happen in the books), so adding anything more about Stannis’ future could really spoil it for even the casual viewers.

    That moment of confusion for Jon when they arrive, saving his ass in the process, and then he sees Stannis’ banners, is totally my biggest fist-pump of the series thus far. I need the scene done right so my non-reader wife will start to understand why I like Stannis so much!

  110. Downesdarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    If the cat resurrection isn’t shown at the end of the season then I think the unsullied will be incredibly depressed. Events like the resurrection and Joffrey’s death make the RW emotionally bearable. I don’t see Joffrey’s death this season so I’m pretty confident we’ll see the resurrection.

  111. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Downesdarrion,

    I hope so, that would be such an amazing ending.

  112. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Downesdarrion,

    Agweed. It would be a great “Ohhhh snap! GAME OF THROOOOONES” moment. For readers and non-readers alike.

    It would also continue the unofficial tradition of ending the season on an elemental note.

  113. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    I really love the theme for Stannis anyone know what it’s called ?

  114. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    What’s interesting to me that is, while it is true that the last track on the album has traditionally been the last track heard during the season, For the Realm is only about a minute and a half long… Which is about the exact length of the end credits. Which would mean that the last track is truly just heard over the end credits, and not over the final scene (as was the case with Finale (2:31) and Three Blasts (2:40) in the first two seasons).

    And Lady Stoneheart should absolutely close this season out.

  115. Kitty
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Viola,

    However, Robb’s wife is pregnant, and Jeyne was not. This surely will put a different spin on the rest of the story, unless she attends the RW and dies. She could be carrying the heir of Winterfell.

  116. Josla
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    sati:
    Downesdarrion,

    I hope so, that would be such an amazing ending.

    Count me in! It MUST be THIS season!

  117. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I know. And I am being mostly facetious with my rant. It is true that this adaptation could be in far worse hands, but unfortunately its the only adaptation so the hard core fans who despise every deviation from book canon have no other adaptation to compare it to or to watch alternatively. So it gets their ire up. They really are doing their best job juggling the reader and non-reader audiences with this show. As I mentioned above, this series on first viewing is an anxious experience for the reader fan. On a second watch its a joy. I know I loved season 2 a million times more when I watched it on bluray in one lump. I have watched the first six of season 3 in a row the past weekend and I will say its the strongest season thus far. But this is the internet where kneejerk reactions and sound byte culture holds dominion. Everything may hold up as a cohesive whole but in the meantime, in real time as the show airs from week to week. the bitchery and nerdrage will continue. I guess that’s the fun of the experience.

  118. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    ‘Warrior of Light’ its on the GoT season 2 soundtrack.

  119. Stannis
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: reas the end of S4 will be one year from now. How many new viewers will even remem

    The show shouldn’t cater to forgetful people it will ruin the shows flow. As for seeing scenes we didn’t get to see in the book, look at the Theon scenes. Do we really need to see these. For the most part they are uncomfortable to watch. Some things are better left off screen to build suspense and mystery. The show seems to suck out all the mystery in the books that made them so intriguing.

  120. WompWomp
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Warrior of Light. It’s on the S2 soundtrack. One of my favorite so far.

    I think Ramin D’s trying to steer clear of film score tropes and give us something unique. All the same, I wish we had more choral input in his music. Some moments just cry for it. :]

  121. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    I don’t really take issue with the reveal happening in E10, but I’ll mourn the loss of the shocking reveal in the book. I don’t want to see another resurrection. I’d have the final scene of the episode be a fade-in on the Frey that Cat slaps at the wedding, walking through the forest, and etc etc.

    You can only see your first resurrection one time. It’ll be telegraphed and have less of a punch if we actually see the BwB come upon the body so soon afterwards.

  122. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    I’m a huge fan of ‘Jaime Lannister sends his regards’ because it’s typical Roose Bolton sick humour of twisting people’s words out of context. It also fits into the whole notion of Jaime’s reputation being unfairly tarnished.

    That said, I completely understand why they changed it. It would confuse the vast majority of tv viewers who would then think Jaime had a hand in Robb’s death. Tv viewers ain’t as smart as us book readers!

  123. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    You’re so right. It’s going to be amazing. Huge Beric fan, and it’s such a beautiful way to close out his arc. *Sniff* What a man.

  124. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    Yeah if they do it the way you just suggested and hint towards the resurrection with the Nymeria and BwB scene early in the episode…yes that would be perfect. But we need to say goodbye to Beric in some way though. Maybe some cryptic dialogue invoking the notion that Beric is going to die for the final time and he wants Thoros to let him go. The viewer wonders why would he do this? We go to the last shot, the Frey is hanging, we see Anguy, we see Thoros and then we pan up. and its “please to meet you Lady Stoneheart”. That would be an awesome ending. It allows the Red Wedding to still be devastating one episode afterwards, because Cat as we knew her is gone and it opens up season 4 to be the Lannisters get bit in the Ass by Karma season that it is going to be.

  125. JP Dayne
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    16. The Lannisters Send Their Regards
    I raged a little bit that Jaime did not send his very own regards but instead sent lannisters regards. Meh. Just one more unecessary, unreasonable change… This song is probably gonna be played when lord bolton kills Cat

    17. Heir to Winterfell
    HOLY MOLLY Jon Snow confirmed for rightful king in the north!!!!!!!!. I was afraid they’d cut this thing entirely, given how it’s not a confirmed thing in the books
    Probably gonna be played during a conversation betweenCat, Blackfish and King Robb

    18. Mhysa
    Gonna be played when dany frees the yunkai slaves and walks in triumph between them, no doubt

    19. For the Realm
    oh man, if they hint on varys and the blackfyres with it… i’m gonna lose my shit on awesomeness.. but it’s very unlikely to be true.
    I also don’t want that music to be in a scene of beric ressurecting cat as her reapperance was really a shock in the books, and that has to be an integral part of the show. I know we had the nymeria pulling cat’s body out of the water scene in the books, but in the show it’d be too much of a giveaway. So, analyzing all the other arcs, and that the song will play in the very last scene, I believe it’ll be something involving sam, cold hands and bran, maybe his introduction at that castle with the weirwood door

  126. Wrath of the Gods
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    Heir to Winterfell? Does this make anyone else think of a certain letter???

  127. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Also, Lady Stonehart is 95% happening. Richard Dormer confirmed that he was appearing in 5 episodes this season yet so far he’s only been in 4. He’ll be resurrecting Cat in the finale.

    So looking forward to it. In my eyes it’s the best way to end the season. The fact that it’s been foreshadowed so well means that when it hits, the audience will be saying: “Wow, didn’t see that coming. But it makes so much sense!”

    Also, I think Heir to Winterfell does mean the letter. I really hope they show that in Episode 9 – such an emotional scene.

  128. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    JP Dayne: I raged a little bit that Jaime did not send his very own regards but instead sent lannisters regards. Meh. Just one more unecessary, unreasonable change… This song is probably gonna be played when lord bolton kills Cat

    The writing is on the wall why this was changed. You need to get a clearer perspective of how adaptation and television works. I mourn the change as you do, but to say there is no logical reason for it is groundless. The more you become cynical and jaded to the machine of television adaptation, of what is lost in translation the more you will accept this the price for having your favourite book adapted. In the end you will appreciate GoT more I think. Outside of flaws made within the show writing itself it’s really blameless because countless adaptations do the same thing.

  129. Rhys
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    I don’t see why people are saying that one episode is too little for the reveal of Lady Stoneheart. The RW takes place at about the 2/3 mark of the book, whereas she appears for the first time in the epilogue of the same book. In episodic terms that’s probably about 3 episodes or so. Waiting until the end of next season is way too long.

  130. Ed
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Exactly. This right here.

    JamesL:
    If people are going to nerd rage over them changing it to “the Lannisters send their regards” than why didn’t they nerd rage after ep. 7 when Jaimie specifically tells Roose to tell Robb that “the Lannisters send their regards” and not “Jaimie Lannister sends his regards”.I thought it was obvious after that scene that they were changing it.

  131. dizzy
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Eh, changing that line isn’t as sacrilegious adding “NO! Nooooooooooooo” at the end of Jedi. I guess some people think it is. Count me as one of the ones that was actually kind of confused by it in the books.

  132. JP Dayne
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor: The writing is on the wall why this was changed. You need to get a clearer perspective of how adaptation and television works. I mourn the change as you do, but to say there is no logical reason for it is groundless. The more you become cynical and jaded to the machine of television adaptation, of what is lost in translation the more you will accept this the price for having your favourite bool adapted. In the end you will appreciate GoT more I think. Outside of flaws made within the show writing itself it’s really blameless because countless adaptations do the same thing.

    well, I do get that there must be changes, but those small bits are what made the books so good. they (and you) can come up with any logic you want, it doesn’t mean it’s an acceptable one. Also, why the spoiler tags aren’t appearing in the quotes? :O

  133. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    Yes but a television show isn’t the book. Your dealing with a different medium, a larger audience and the physical and financial practicalities of filming a television show. As I said I wished they hadn’t changed it but they didn’t change just to be Troll us all. Your post seemed to suggest that it wasn’t right and that there was no logic behind it. That clearly isn’t the case.

  134. JP Dayne
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    JP Dayne,

    Yes but a television show isn’t the book. Your dealing with a different medium, a larger audience and the physical and financial practicalities of filming a television show. As I said I wished they hadn’t changed it but they didn’t change just to be Troll us all. Your post seemed to suggest that it wasn’t right and that there was no logic behind it. That clearly isn’t the case.

    elaborate, then, as to why changing JAIME from THE LANNISTERS, is a good, reasonable and necessary change. I’m dying to read.

  135. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    In addition, I bet they show directly that it’s Roose Bolton who kills Robb. In the book Cat simply describes an armoured man wearing a ‘pink cloak’. It was up to astute readers to connect the colour pink to Roose Bolton and work out that it was he who stabbed Robb. When I first read the book, I knew Roose betrayed Robb, but didn’t realise it was actually him who did the stabbing. Jaime Lannister also confused me. It was only on my reread that I came to love the line “Jaime Lannister sends his regards”.

    I don’t think D&D can afford to be as subtle as Martin was.

  136. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    “For the Realm”

    We heard this line last in Season 1 when Mormont gave his speech to the new initiates into the Night’s Watch.

    My guess is that this relates to Jon Snow’s return to Castle Black, and his stepping up to the plate and taking command of the remaining forces there to resist the Wildlings. It’s all about Jon Snow, which, seeing as Storm of Swords is very much “Jon’s Book” in the same way that Clash of Kings was “Tyrion’s Book” (though to a somewhat lesser degree) well … “it’s about bloody time”, is all I can say.

  137. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Mhysa, Mhysa, Mhysa!
    Cat – Mother to the Stark children (most still alive but unknown to her!)
    Dany – Mother of dragons, mother to freed slaves/Unsullied, mother to dead Drogo heir
    Nymeria – Mother of roaming wolves
    Cersei – Mother of wrongful heirs
    Talisa – Mother to Winterfell’s heir
    Mother – One of the seven Westerosi Gods (Faith of the Seven)
    Elia – Mother to Aegon (presumed dead)

    Oh, “Myhsa” will be an great season ender!

  138. Eor!
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    For the Ream is obviously referring to Jon’s desertion from the wildlings.

  139. Sami
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    YES!!! FINALLYYYY! :-) sorry a tad excited…. been waiting for this since the first episode came out!

  140. Eor!
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne: elaborate, then, as to why changing JAIME from THE LANNISTERS, is a good, reasonable and necessary change. I’m dying to read.

    You seem like the sort who never accepts any change so this is wasted, but Jaimie had nothing to do with the RW, which we know, so changing it from “Jaimie” to “The Lannisters” tells us right away that the Lannisters had a part in this massacre, while in the books we don’t know that until a further chapter where the Lannisters are told of it and Tywin mentions what he’s done.

  141. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    First of all, why so angry at me after my civil reply?

    This whole season has worked to make Jaime Lannister a redemptive figure in the viewer’s eyes. This man whom the viewer (and by viewer I am referring to those who have not read the books) identifies with as the guy who bangs his sister and throws a ten year old boy out a window to save his family’s skin. Through the course of season 3, this character that the audience believes is a villain, has slowly been embraced by these same viewers. The television show does not have the time to build the subtleties to show that when Roose Bolton says “Jaime Lannister sends his regards” to suggest that Jaime wasn’t involved in the Red Wedding. If Jaime’s name is mentioned just before Bolton’s killing blow the viewers will lose their recent attachment to the New Jaime. It will sully his reputation for him just for being namedropped. By saying its “the Lannisters give their regards’ it places the blame of the Red Wedding on the Lannisters and particularly its patriarch, Tywin Lannister and not on Jaime. You could say, that the writers should trust the viewer to see that it wasn’t Jaime who was involved, but the subtleties to bring that to effect do not exist in the show like they do in the book. We can’t get into Jaime’s headspace, we can’t make up for the scenes in between after the dinner with Bolton at Harrenhal where the viewer upon hearing Jaime’s name could deduce that he could have plotted with Bolton in between scenes.
    I am not crazy about the change, but it makes perfect sense when their trying to transform Jaime’s character and when you kill off the North’s last hope and namedrop Jaime…well a lot of casual viewers will think Jaime had something to do with it. Mark my words any affection that they have for him will be gone. It makes perfect sense.

    It’s a line that makes way more sense in the book than it does in the television series. The only counterpoint I would offer is we may have got the line if Bolton was written similarly to the novel as a more obvious villain character.

  142. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    The aSoS Epilogue can totally work as the finale as is. Why change it?

    You can start the episode with Arya’s Wolf dream of Nymeria fishing Cat out then being chased off. Cut to Arya waking up. telling the Hound he was right. Then at the end, have the epilogue reveal. There’s no particular timeline restriction that confine it to happening at the end of next season.

    If they show Beric giving up his life for her, it would be kind of lame. The surprise of her reveal is too good to fuck up. *shakes fist*

  143. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    Good point. It would be even more confusing if they had the line and Tywin mentions this in the show…which he will. We’ve seen the preview where Tyrion says the ‘North will never forget”. That’s the scene without a doubt where Tywin announces the Red Wedding to Joffrey et al. If Bolton says “Jaime” then Tywin copping to being the mastermind of the whole affair will seem a bit confusing to the casual viewer as Jaime hasn’t had any contact with his father on screen for them to have plotted together.

  144. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    The track listing could be out of order. For the Realm could be something earlier in the season but makes for a good ending to the soundtrack. Chaos is a ladder is moved up. :-/

  145. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian:
    The aSoS Epilogue can totally work as the finale as is. Why change it?

    Because it wouldn’t work thematically. Season 3 has emphasised the influence of the Lord of Light and foreshadowed its power. The Uncat reveal needs to be in keeping with the reveal of the season.

    It’s the same reason why Martin didn’t put Uncat into AFFC. He put it at the end of ASOS because the themes of resurrection had been developed in ASOS through the characters of Beric and Thoros.

    Imo, if they were to put Uncat’s reveal in Season 4 it would be pretty stupid. Fortunately they won’t though, as Beric will be in episode 10.

    EDIT: Oh, you mean have her hanging the Freys in episode 10 of Season 3 I think it would seem too rushed from a plot perspective. It’s not realistic for her to become so influential so quickly imo.

  146. Ed
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    I love how so many people have such strong opinions on what’s better for the show.

    It’s not like HBO and D&D don’t have any experience, and have made one of the most successful series on TV or anything.

    Oh, but *you* know better then they do how it should be done. (nodding) Okay.

    Stannis: Some things are better left off screen to build suspense and mystery. The show seems to suck out all the mystery in the books that made them so intriguing.

  147. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian,

    I know this may be a little off-topic for this blog thread, but wouldn’t it be nifty if Arya arrived at the RW in time to witness the death of her mother? Then somehow whisked off by the Hound? Then she would have witnessed the slaying of BOTH her mother and father! That would screw her up royally and send her down the “God is Death” and Braavosi path with more than ample passion.

    Just wondering.

  148. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    I guarantee you that they wanted to put the line in there, but their assistant or the continuity person or someone at HBO seeing the footage, overseeing the production probably said “wait a second guys, I think we should take a look at this line”. Or maybe even they realized themselves after some overnighting in the writer’s room. They probably went to Cogman, Doelger et al. This was not an easy change given how much we know D & D wanted to get to this point.

  149. Shmurb
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Yep, exactly. As well as not confusing people as to whether or not Jaime was involved, making it more clear that it was Tywin will be awesome, as from what I;ve seen, show watchers kinda love Tywin right now for putting Joff and Cersei in their place. Wonder what they`re gonna think of him after this!

  150. mariamb18
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    Arkash:
    J.Hancorn,

    I really like the idea of Heir to Winterfell being Ramsay. Since I’m positive the season will end with him being legitimized by Joff and Tywin… maybe even introducing the FakeArya plot.

    Can’t the song play over (or refer to) two scenes? When Robb is writing his will AND when Tywin/Joffrey legitimize Ramsay. I think its a bit early, however, to go to the FakeArya plot.

    Steel_Wind:
    “For the Realm”

    My guess is that this relates to Jon Snow’s return to Castle Black, and his stepping up to the plate and taking command of the remaining forces there to resist the Wildlings. It’s all about Jon Snow, which, seeing as Storm of Swords is very much “Jon’s Book” in the same way that Clash of Kings was “Tyrion’s Book” (though to a somewhat lesser degree) well … “it’s about bloody time”, is all I can say.

    A very good guess, I think. It brings it back to the Night’s Watch and the “guarding the realms of men” line. Events at the Wall are going to be a central part of Season 4 and it makes sense that the end of Season 3 focuses on what is to come. I am really looking forward to seeing the battle at the Wall next year. I hope that the heroism of Jon and the Night’s Watch is given its due.

    Joshua Taylor:
    “For the realm” = new scene. As Cat’s body lies before them Thorosis reluctant to close his friend’s eyes for the last time. But Beric is adamant that it must be done. “For the realm.” Beric says. And thus we have UnCat. It’s a brilliant move if shown in this context. It ends the season with the hope of retribution, it’s magical and emotional at the same time. It also closes out the Beric/Thoros arc and will mirror Stannis’ decision if “we must go North” means what I think it means.


    Well said. If a song can play over more than one scene, then I think that “For the Realm” fits nicely with the scene described above. Beric would believe that “reviving” Cat would be part of his duty to Ned and, indirectly, be in the best interest of the realm. It could be a powerful scene if done well. And I’m sure that Kaye and Dormer would do it justice. They have been wonderful so far.

  151. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Ed,

    God, these “Shut up and take it” people will never change. “Oh boy let’s have a discussion forum with 1/3 the total posts filled with yes men. How FUN.”

  152. Downesdarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    If the resurrection does happen in season 3, they could make it a cliffhanger. The BwB would find Cat and Thoros would rush to her side and begin reciting the words he recites to bring Beric back. The scene cuts before we see her actually brought back. This way they could have the hanging scene in season 4 and it could still be surprising.

  153. Liz B.
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths,

    Mysha refers both to Dany and Catelyn. GoT episode titles often (always) have a dual meaning. Can’t decide which of those I think will close the season, but my money’s mostly on UnCat.

  154. Eor!
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Downesdarrion: y 31, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    If the resurrection does happen in season 3, they could make it a cliffhanger. The BwB would find Cat and Thoros would rush to her side and begin reciting the words he recites to bring Beric back. The scene cuts before we see her actually brought back. This way they could have the hanging scene in season 4 and it could still be surprising.

    That’s not a cliffhanger though. That’s just ending a scene before it’s finished. Having her eyes open up would be a cliffhanger.

  155. Al Swearengen
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    WompWomp,

    Thanks guys :-)

  156. Downesdarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    I mean the viewer would feel uncertainty regarding whether or not Cat is brought back. If her eyes open up then the viewer knows that she has been brought back.

  157. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand the argument that says showing the Brotherhood would spoil the surprise. To me it’s quite simple:

    - Show Cat being dragged by Nymeria onto the bank of the river
    (audience are really sad and are in mourning)
    - Zoom in on Cat
    - Hear voices, camera pans towards Thoros and Beric standing over Cat
    (audience is like “Holy shit…are they going to do what I think they’re gonna do?!” *tension*)
    - Beric and Thoros discuss, Beric goes against Thoros’s wishes and ‘for the realm’ and for Arya pays his life for Cat’s
    - Cat’s eyes open
    (audience is like “Holy fucking shit…this is awesome” *payoff*)

    I guess I’m really passionate about having this scene in. I think it makes for a better scene than Cat hanging the Freys. The reason it couldn’t be shown in ASOS though was because the Uncat unveil was perfectly suited to the epilogue, and so it didn’t fit in chronologically. Likewise, the described scene is what fits in chronologically for this season – and is also perfectly suited for a finale.

  158. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Right, I meant end of THIS season. I don’t think it would be rushed. Just need to give the audience a feeling of passge of time. A few leaves falling off a tree showing the changing season. A slow pan throught the forest…. a rider approaches. Then… muhahahahahhh!

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    You’re not just Hodor’s bastard, You’re an evil Bastard! :)

  159. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Oh, I’m drooling!

  160. Andrew
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    No “Rains of Castamere” on the soundtrack?

  161. Robert
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I think “For the realm” refers to Varys’ reply to Tyrion when asked why he does what he does. I seem to remember some sort of exchange between the two as Varys is showing Tyrion the escape from Kings Landing after having killed his father. But, isn’t it too early in the series for Tywin to die?

  162. Downesdarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor: I don’t understand the argument that says showing the Brotherhood would spoil the surprise. To me it’s quite simple:- Show Cat being dragged by Nymeria onto the bank of the river(audience are really sad and are in mourning)- Zoom in on Cat- Hear voices, camera pans towards Thoros and Beric standing over Cat(audience is like “Holy shit…are they going to do what I think they’re gonna do?!”)- Beric and Thoros discuss, Beric goes against Thoros’s wishes and ‘for the realm’ and for Arya pays his life for Cat’s- Cat’s eyes open(audience is like “Holy fucking shit…this is awesome)I guess I’m really passionate about having this scene in. I think it makes for a better scene than Cat hanging the Freys. The reason it couldn’t be shown in ASOS though was because the Uncat unveil was perfectly suited to the epilogue, just as it is suited to a tv finale.

    I could definitely get into that…

  163. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Andrew:
    No “Rains of Castamere” on the soundtrack?

    Probably a part of “The lannisters send their regards”

  164. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian: Probably a part of “The lannisters send their regards”

    And “the Bear and the Maiden Fair”

  165. Alice
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    This, a thousand times.

  166. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor: s

    That is perfect!

  167. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    You can preserve it as a shock ending if we don’t know who they are resurrecting until she opens her eyes and sits up.

  168. loco73
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    While I don’t mind digital albums, I still prefer CD’s, call me old fashioned, but I won’t pony up money, especially for Apple, no way in hell. I know that they will have a physical release still, which is what I prefer, I like seeing the artwork and having the actual CD…ITunes are notorious for not working, and getting lost, not transfering on other devices etc. All fans should have an equal opportunity to purchase the soundtrack, but as of now Appletards seem to be favoured over other GoT fans…

    Too bad, of course this doesn’t detract from the wonderful work Ramin Djawadi has done once again for all our sakes, bringing soo much depth and character to Westeros and beyond!

  169. The Lightning Lord
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    I think Roose said the line before killing Robb because he was about to kill a king and Jaime is the Kingslayer. It’s Roose’s idea of a joke

  170. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    None of that really addresses how it wouldn’t spoil what’s to come. Though I expect it will indeed play out like that just because they’ll want to give BD a sendoff. Shrug.

    Everyone will know for exactly what reason the show is having Beric and Thoros find the body so soon after. I expect that “Are they going to do what I think they’re going to do?” is going to be a rarer response than surety. So it’s less exciting. It will be a good scene anyway.

    And… maybe they can open S4 with the epilogue moment to get it in there, especially if S3 ends with just her eyes opening. People might be expecting Cat as they remember her, not to be completely driven by madness and rage, so opening the next season with the Frey scene, Cat just clearly off the deep end, could still be effective.

  171. Sunny
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Andrew:
    No “Rains of Castamere” on the soundtrack?

    Its in the season 2 soundtrack.

  172. Arkash
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Oh, guys, I’ve just had an idea !

    What if, next episode, Anguy and some other members of the Brotherhood track Arya and the Hound (they are good pisters after all), trying to get Arya back.

    And the Hound kills them all (we’ve seen him fighting in the woods in a trailer), this would be epic !

    And then, finally, the scene were Arya threatens him for what he has done to Anguy ! Thus keeping her hatred intact !

    Oh, I’m so sure this will happen now !

  173. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    None of that really addresses how it wouldn’t spoil what’s to come. Though I expect it will indeed play out like that just because they’ll want to give BD a sendoff. Shrug.

    Everyone will know for exactly what reason the show is having Beric and Thoros find the body so soon after. I expect that “Are they going to do what I think they’re going to do?” is going to be a rarer response than surety. So it’s less exciting. It will be a good scene anyway.

    I don’t really understand your complaint here. Are you saying that they shouldn’t show the whole scene? That would be strange. There’s a certain flow and build-up to any film or television scene, skipping all of that would be jarring. So what if certain viewers will know what is about to happen? It still makes for a pretty exciting moment.

    Did they cut out Dany placing the dragon eggs on the pyre, even if viewers may have been able to guess what was going to happen? Did they cut the three horn blasts at the end of S2 so as not to “give away” that we were about to glimpse some White Walkers? Of course not. The build-up for both of those scenes serves to heighten the tension and then they ultimately climax in a final, satisfying reveal. Skipping all of that just to ensure that you truly “shock” the viewers is ill advised, especially at the end of the season.

  174. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Bear in mind the first thing Thoros will probably say is “We shouldn’t bring her back, she’s been gone too long.” Plus I think the audience will be too ‘in the moment’ to be certain of anything. It’s sort of like during the Red Wedding where there are all kinds of obvious foreshadowing happening before the carnage and yet most people were still shocked when they read the books.

    @Azad: You could, but I think Thoros and Beric have to have a short mini-debate about whether to resurrect her. Of course, I am a Beric Dondarrion fan, so I would say that! Still, l think it would be a surprise to non-readers and at any rate a bit of foreshadowing tends to make the overall payoff even better.

    Anyway, glad people liked my idea.

  175. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Here’s what I would do:

    S3E10 opens with Arya having a wolf dream and finding the body. Then it cuts to all the other regions and deals with everything else. Then the episode would close as I outlined above, with a fade-in to a Frey who’d been given prominent visibility in the prior episode, and the reveal.

    I understand the reasons to do it differently, especially because we have to have a final Beric scene. I don’t know…I like the idea of Cat scenes bookending the episode.

  176. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Having Nymeria drag the body out of the water and drop “Cat” at Beric/Thoros feet and with the previous “bring back the dead” words from Arya….nuff said….they will know what to do…for the realm! But at what cost since “she” has been dead so long?

  177. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Another note about the epilogue that may confuse viewers:

    It is not established that either Thoros or Beric could recognize Cat. They didn’t know Arya. How would they know to select her corpse (face ravaged and all) for resurrection?

  178. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian,

    That’s a good point. I don’t think they ever met in the book. However, for show canon they can say that they did. I saw some speculation online that it would have been Harwin who recognised Catelyn. But I don’t think the show has to worry about this too much – the audience know very little about Beric so for all they know he visited Cat many times at Winterfell.
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I know, it’s so sad. Beric is such a hero but I still wish he hadn’t done it. He’s one of the rare good guys in ASOIAF – so of course they kill him off and replace him with a revenged filled shadow of a human being.

  179. Eor!
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian:

    It is not established that either Thoros or Beric could recognize Cat. They didn’t know Arya. How would they know to select her corpse (face ravaged and all) for resurrection?

    I never thought of that. Did they ever explain it in the book?

  180. Downesdarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian: Another note about the epilogue that may confuse viewers:It is not established that either Thoros or Beric could recognize Cat. They didn’t know Arya. How would they know to select her corpse (face ravaged and all) for resurrection?

    Never thought of this either. It could be that they would’ve heard the news and details of the RW (specifically rob having grey wind for a head and Catelyn being dumped naked in the river) and concluded that the naked woman washed ashore was Catelyn.

  181. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    Not to my knowledge. And its not as if she was clothed in Tully colors, she was stripped naked and tossed in the river. There are some Northmen with the BWoB that perhaps could identify her….but no one that the TV show showed.

  182. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Downesdarrion,

    Yeah, could be.

  183. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Eor!,

    In the book the BwB as a group arrive at Catelyn’s body. So it would only need one of them to be absolutely certain that that was Cat for Thoros and Beric to be in the know. That person could well have been Harwin

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Harwin

    For the purposes of the show, it makes sense for Beric to say “Catelyn Stark”. Audience will assume they had met before. It doesn’t really matter that that’s not necessarily true in the books.

  184. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I just think doing it that way is going to be ultimately more confusing to viewers (“I thought she died? How did she come back to life? Why is she with the BwB? Where is Beric?”) and make for a less satisfying conclusion. But I guess having differing opinions makes for good debate. :)

  185. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    If Thoros is standing next to her, it’ll be good enough for viewers. They’ll “get it”

  186. Clara
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Sunny,

    Yes but I was hoping for it to play creepily over the credits next week. . .

    Or maybe that’s not obvious enough for casual viewers. Maybe they’d have to play it at the wedding and just before all hell breaks loose have some charcter go “why are they playing the Lannister song?”

    Than again they did explain it in the last episode.

  187. Hard Truths
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    “Mhysa” could just as easily refer to Dany, Un-Cat, and Cersei or even just Dany and Cersei.

    Anyways, I am really interested in seeing how the show runners handle Un-Cat. I have a feeling we are not going to get the zombie Lady Stoneheart of the books; I just can’t see Michelle Fairley agreeing to be turned into a zombie with no lines.

  188. Azad Injejikian
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Did this a while ago. Figured since we’re talking about her, i might as well share: http://azad-injejikian.deviantart.com/art/Lady-Stoneheart-ASoIaF-Game-of-Thrones-355839889

  189. Winter Is Coming
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian,

    Ok, they will probably be able to put 2 and 2 together and figure out that she was resurrected via the Lord of Light. But Beric’s sacrifice will be completely lost on people. It would have to be explained later in S4. Again, it just makes the ending less clear and potentially frustrating to new viewers.

  190. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Azad Injejikian,

    I don’t see the show going for as gruesome of a look. The throat slash will have to be there, but I’m not sure they will have her tear strips of skin from her face.

  191. Clara
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I agree with you that it sjould be that scene, but I really could see them delaying this till the first episode of the new season. I think it would be very shocking either way.

    It did take me a while to get to the big reveal of UnCat, and I suppose a part of me wants new viewers to experience that horrible feeling of losing Starks.

  192. Joshua Taylor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah it just would look OTT to see her clawing at her face when she sobs over Robb’s body. So the nail scars will be gone probably.

  193. LadyDondarrion
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who thinks that the ”Heir of Winterfell’ refers to Sansa?
    Because we will see Sansa’s reaction to the RW on the show (there’s a glimpse in one of the trailers with Sansa and Cersei) and yeah you know Bran and Rickon are ~dead which makes Sansa the heir of Winterfell (yes I know that Robb makes Jon the heir but Sansa has a better claim) . ”Sansa is the key to the north” , that line is on the show for a reason i think ; non-readers will understand the reason why Tyrion and Sansa got married and why Petyr wants Sansa, (besides how much she looks like Cat >_<) (?).
    Anyway I can’t wait for these two last episodes and I’m sure the soundtrack will be kick ass. I love Rawin
    (and sorry for my english but it’s not my first language)

  194. Winter
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Ugh, Sunday….10:00 PM is going to be a sad moment. I can’t wait for it, but at the same time I dread it.

  195. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Compelling argument. It might be worth losing that shock factor for the pure emotion of actually seeing Beric go through with it.

    I really hope that no matter what, they find a way to fit the epilogue moment in the show at some point though.

    edit: And actually, I don’t see why they shouldn’t be able to. Simply that they resurrect her doesn’t necessarily mean they’re going to travel with her to serve justice, so opening next year with that scene, of the Frey encountering the BwB there should still be a “oh, holy shit” from the viewers when Cat comes from the shadows.

    Shit, you’re right. They should totally show it. Just don’t give away her personality shift yet.

  196. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah it just would look OTT to see her clawing at her face when she sobs over Robb’s body. So the nail scars will be gone probably.

    I hope they will keep the scars and her laughing. For me it’s crucial.

  197. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    They can put it in Season 4 I think. People will be expecting Uncat to do something after Season 3 finale, so having her hang the Freys somewhere in Season 4 could work.

  198. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I’m basically convinced this is the right move :)

  199. Lars
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    sati: I hope they will keep the scars and her laughing. For me it’s crucial.

    I love how fans pick up the TINIEST details from the books and all them “crucial”. LOL.

  200. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Yay!

  201. Roger König
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I CANNOT WAIT

  202. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    I don’t know if I’d call it crucial. I just can’t see the show going there. There are other ways to convey her feelings in the moment other than her maniacally tearing at her face while laughing. In the book it works, but it would seem out of place in the show and could overshadow the moment. I’d like to see them stick as closely to the books as possible, but it isn’t critical that she tears at her face and laughs in grief.

  203. Daemon
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    While I suppose I’d prefer she be resurrected next season, I’d prefer that a million times more than PW/Joffrey dying in the finale.

  204. Winter's Heart
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Really hope George sticks to his dead is dead belief, as in how Gandalf should have stayed dead, too much resurrection with Beric. Hope the “up and up and up” surprise is next season.

  205. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Daemon,

    I agree. I have come around to her being resurrected this season. I initially was against it and thought that the reveal should happen exactly like the book. I still think they can leave her resurrection ambiguous enough to where people can still be surprised when she appears next season to hang some Freys. They could show Beric and Thoros arguing and then slowly pan over to a dead body, scrolling slowly from her feet up to to her slit throat and then her face. They don’t need to show Beric actually resurrecting her, but can at least show that Thoros refuses to say the words and that Beric is upset.

  206. Turncloak
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: sati,

    I don’t know if I’d call it crucial. I just can’t see the show going there. There are other ways to convey her feelings in the moment other than her maniacally tearing at her face while laughing. In the book it works, but it would seem out of place in the show and could overshadow the moment. I’d like to see them stick as closely to the books as possible, but it isn’t critical that she tears at her face and laughs in grief.

    I agree, I hope the show doesn’t go that route even if it is book canon

  207. Liz B.
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    It seems very likely based on the title “Mysha” (mother, that the season ends with the reveal of UnCat. I know that also refers to Dany’s story but GoT (the show) really likes to use double-meanings in its episode titles.

  208. the other guy
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. For months, I’ve been thinking that Cat’s resurrection HAS to happen as the final scene of S3. It’s logical to put it there. And yes, we need it to happen on-screen. Like you, I just don’t get it when people says that it will “kill the shock of her death”, that it’s “too soon” and all this nonsense. I’m 99.9% convinced that we will see Beric sacrifice himself, and Cat open her eyes. It’s going to be an amazing cliffhanger :)

  209. Liz B.
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Daemon,

    Too soon for PW. Besides the fact that it makes a lot of sense to stretch this book over two seasons, many characters important to that particular “scene” haven’t even been cast, yet, like Oberyn Martell and Mace Tyrell.

  210. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Lars: I love how fans pick up the TINIEST details from the books and all them “crucial”. LOL.

    Are you serious? “Tiniest details”?

  211. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Winter’s Heart,

    Oh, my friend, you have struck a mighty blow against the very heart of SF and Fantasy and Horror. A significant portion of those genres (as well as the Bible and other religious tomes) is dedicated to the concept of resurrection and overcoming death. Although it can be cliche, dead is not always “dead.”

    I believe you have fallen for some GRRM tomfoolery. Dead is dead is dead! Hah! Then what are white walkers, wights, Beric, Cat, the Mountain, Aegon? GRRM loves to bring back the dead, either by magic or clever wordplay.

  212. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    I completely agree with Winter about the reveal of Lady Stoneheart. Books tell information, television has to show us what happens. Exposition on t.v is boring when it is too lengthy. Actually showing the resurrection and Beric’s sacrifice won’t in any way ruin the excitement. Unfortunately I can’t remember where I read this and can’t credit the source, but I read a great explanation of the difference between shock and suspense:
    A group of people are sitting around a table talking. All of a sudden the table explodes. That’s shock.
    A group of people ate sitting around a table talking. The camera cuts to a shot of a bomb under the table. The viewer knows there is a bomb and knows it will go off. Tension builds as the viewer anticipates the explosion. That’s suspense.
    Showing the BWB drag Catelyn out of the river won’t ruin the reveal at all because the audience will suspect they might bring her back to life and they will be nervously and excitedly waiting for it. Also, waiting until next year to show it would be silly. The audience will be over Catelyn’s death by then. It will have much greater impact in episode 10.

  213. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    Is ripping at her face and laughing in grief anything but a tiny detail? She’ll obviously be shocked by what happened and respond in a very emotionally impactful way for the viewers. I just don’t think it needs to be as brutal as it is in the book.

  214. Liz B.
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths,

    Well, she can talk, by covering thehole/slash in her throat. I think they’ll give her lines that way.

  215. sati
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    sati,

    Is ripping at her face and laughing in grief anything but a tiny detail? She’ll obviously be shocked by what happened and respond in a very emotionally impactful way for the viewers. I just don’t think it needs to be as brutal as it is in the book.

    The fact she does this is indication of just how insane she is becoming.

  216. Liz B.
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I hope it is as brutal as it is in the books! I’m beside myself waiting for non-readers to experience this episode. I think it’ll be even more dramatic than Ned’s death for them.

  217. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    Agreed. Make it hurt. Lady SH should be the evil/vengeful X factor in Westeros south of the Wall. “Hell hath no fury as a woman scorned!”

    As an aside, just what are Lady SH and Beric and Coldhands? Are they the same as wights and white walkers, except under R’hlorr’s guidance? Is there a difference between good dead and evil dead? Is this the Cold War between R’hlorr and the Other?

  218. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    I think her slitting some innocent person’s throat could convey that just as well. I’m more concerned with her doing that then tearing her face up.

  219. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Liz B.,

    I want it to be brutal too, but I think that can be accomplished without Cat laughing and ripping her face to shreds.

  220. GoT
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    “Heir to Winterfell” is for Sansa, after Robb’s death

  221. GoT
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Doesn’t mean anything. They never play the full songs in the series, only a bit of them.

  222. Easteros bunny
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    After reading some comments I’m glad the book fans are not writing the series, I would never gotten passed season one.

    In regards to that line, I don’t care, people are far too attached to little detials from the books and over react when they are not in the show. Even Man himself GRRM said fans are too attached using the example of one character that has a cloaks made of raven feathers.

    But who cares no one wil read this comment, it will exists in the obscurity of the Internet, out lasting is all.

  223. Zack
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That’s going to be so hard to watch. And Frey’s reaction to her threat, ice cold.

    I’m kind of dreading watching this episode.

  224. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    GoT,

    Yeah, I think you and LadyDondarrion are right. Shame as I was hoping we’d get the Jon legitimisation scene.

  225. Clara
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny,

    consider your comment read and agreed with

  226. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    I too hope Heir to Winterfell regards Robb’s will. It adds depth to Jon’s decision about whether or not to accept Stannis’ offer of Winterfell. Sadly, I’m starting to lose hope that we’ll see this.

  227. Matt
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I hope people arent hyping this episode up too much and it doesn’t deliver… And by that I mean it is a great episode, but regardless it just doesn’t measure up to the hype

  228. thrillhouse
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:08 pm | Permalink

    The Brotherhood Without Banners fights “For the Realm”

    LADY STONEHEART ENDING CONFIRMED

    ZOMBIEBOWL

    GET READY

    GET HYPED

  229. Superdeluxe
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: In the narrative, Cat’s resurrection took place 3 days after her death. In real-time, it probably took you about a week, maybe two, to get from the RW to the end of ASOS. Basically the same amount of real-time viewers of the show would experience if they do it at the end of this season. Whereas the end of S4 will be one year from now. How many new viewers will even remember who Beric and Thoros are by then?

    Stop making sense.

  230. Cat of the Canals
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Did my post get deleted? If not, then I’m too lazy to rewrite. heir to winterfell = sansa, for the realm = davos or Lady Stoneheart/ beric death, reek = reek.

    I agree wth Winter and the others, Lady Stoneheart will close this season

  231. Steel_Wind
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Eor!: I never thought of that. Did they ever explain it in the book?


    Dondarion didn’t have to recognize the body of Catelyn Stark on the banks of the river; Harwin, a Stark house soldier in the service of the BWB knew her well. It was Harwin who also recognized Arya in the books.

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Harwin

  232. kelly
    Posted May 31, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Apologies if this has already been covered. And it has been awhile since I read SoS so I may be remembering incorrectly. But wasn’t the letter that Davos reads that prompts Stannis to go north a letter that Sam sent off with a raven during the battle at the Fist of the First Men? So how is that going to happen when Sam (and no one else we know of) didn’t send any ravens at all?

    I don’t think it will near as impactful if Stannis decides to head to the Wall based only on what he and Melisandre saw in the flames.

  233. kelly
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:17 am | Permalink

    Just realized I should have put some spoiler tags in my previous post. It is too late for me to edit it. Can a moderator do it please. Sorry and thanks!

  234. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    kelly,

    I’m betting Maester Aemon sends the ravens once Jon returns to the Wall and warns them of the Wildling attack.

  235. Clinton
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:13 am | Permalink

    Track previews are now up on Amazon!

    http://www.amazon.com/Game-Thrones-Music-HBO%C2%AE-Season/dp/B00D4IFD4I/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1370066979&sr=1-3&keywords=game+of+thrones+ramin+djawadi

    I can’t even handle “The Lannisters Send Their Regards” right now. And “Mhysa” is not what I expected, or “For the Realm” for that matter, but it’s just incredible.

  236. kelly
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That makes sense. It would have been nice if they let Sam keep that job though.

  237. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Clinton,

    For the Realm: Lute or Spanish guitar? Dorne? Varys meets with Doran?

  238. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Clinton,

    Thanks for that. From the little snippets:

    Reek: Wow, so scary. Love it. Makes it sound like there’s going to be a big reveal.
    Mhysa: Surprisingly mystical in sound. Think it could work nicely, since Daenerys is basically becoming a God like figure to the slaves
    The Lannisters send their regard: More dramatic than I expected but this is a long piece which will vary a lot throughout
    Heir to Winterfell: Mourning so got to be Sansa’s POV.
    For the realm: Really like it, even though it is fairly low key given, presumably, Uncat. It has a nice reflective quality about it.

  239. Dave
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Physical CD street date is July 9, 2013 on WaterTower Music – not sure if this was posted earlier in the comments, but thought you might want to update your lead post. I work for the company distributing this release and as of right now that is the confirmed date.

  240. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    The “Lannister Send their Regards” bit is as expectedI wanted to take up a sword and duel with my neighbor!
    “Myhsa” and “For the Realm” were melancholic and sad for me More associated with a requiem and mourning than with victory and leadership

    Hmmmm

  241. Dave
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Dave,

    Sorry, I’ll add “U.S.A” Street Date is July 9…not sure for International.

  242. inthefade
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I really don’t get why people are saying “I must go north” or “for the realm” can possibly have anything to do with Stannis going to the wall. As that was one of the last chapters of book 3 none of that stuff will happen until most likely either episode 9 or 10 of season 4. I can see the battle of the wall being the Episode 9 of next season, to mirror “blackwater” from season 2.

    The earliest we could see this playing out is after the PW (around episode 4), davos will free gendry around 5 or 6, and will read the letter from the NW to convince stannis . Then they will head to the wall off screen to keep the surprise element of his arrival as it was in the books. Unless they introduce a lord to burn to make good speed, i’d just as well expect it to take 3 episodes of travel time for them to get there, which puts it right at episode 9 which should be the “big scene” for season 4.

    Keep in mind Davos cannot read the letter this season as the letter does not exist yet until Jon or Sam gets back to the wall, at the end of this season or beginning of the next, as in the show Sam failed to get the ravens off to castle black to warn them ahead of time.

  243. Jared
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Mhysa is 3:54, which is long enough to contain both an ethereal, triumphant beginning appropriate for the surreal nature of Dany’s entrance into Yunkai surrounded by the freed slaves, and a more somber coda to accompany the resurrection of UnCat. “For the Realm”, meanwhile, contains elements of the Main Title theme. It sounds like the kind of song that would be played over the closing credits of the last episode (and at 1:31, it’s about the right length too).

  244. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Jared:
    Mhysa is 3:54, which is long enough to contain both an ethereal, triumphant beginning appropriate for the surreal nature of Dany’s entrance into Yunkai surrounded by the freed slaves, and a more somber coda to accompany the resurrection of UnCat. “For the Realm”, meanwhile, contains elements of the Main Title theme. It sounds like the kind of song that would be played over the closing credits of the last episode (and at 1:31, it’s about the right length too).

    I hope so it sounds like the perfect track for UnCat moment.

  245. Seriano
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    “Reek” is the music that plays during the horse chasing scene after Theon’s escape.

  246. Cat of the Canals
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    I’ll judge the Red Wedding and whay they have done with it after I see it. They have made good changes in the past. My only demand :it must be as brutal as it was in the book.

  247. Michel
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    WTF was that sample from The Lannister Sends Their Regards? TBH, I didn’t liked it, the music sound to rush for the RW, I always imagined it happening slow in my head.

    - I’m also sad that Reek was already played :(

    - WOW! Mhysa is amazing! EPIC!

    - WTF is For The Realm! I can’t imagine a scene with this music, now I’m so ansious about it! What can it be

  248. sati
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    WTF was that sample from The Lannister Sends Their Regards? TBH, I didn’t liked it, the music sound to rush for the RW, I always imagined it happening slow in my head.

    - I’m also sad that Reek was already played :(

    - WOW! Mhysa is amazing! EPIC!

    - WTF is For The Realm! I can’t imagine a scene with this music, now I’m so ansious about it! What can it be

    Maybe “the Lannisters…” part in the sample is from the outside battle?

  249. tysnow
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    “The Lannister’s send their Regards” was horrific and sent chills through me concerning the scene it must be attached too. “Mhysa” was absolutely breathtaking, the third best score from the show so far (very LOTR), and tied with a few others.
    “Heir to Winterfell” is extremely sad and melancholy, as if someone hears news or reads a letter. Since it cannot refer to Jon as he is still in the wilds, it must be Sansa, learning her new status, after all most believe Bran and Rickon are dead.

  250. Turncloak
    Posted June 1, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Check out Lord Bolton trolling in other shows! THE ROOSE IS LOOSE!
    As always beware of the youtube comments if you’re unsullied.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1xxqPE4I4g

  251. bon
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    Why they have not put music that plays at Beric/Hound clash? In this soundtrack I see many disapointments for me, oh. But it’s always better to have something than nothing like with the soundtrack of The Walking Dead.

  252. A wildling Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    inthefade:
    I really don’t get why people are saying “I must go north” or “for the realm” can possibly have anything to do with Stannis going to the wall.As that was one of the last chapters of book 3 none of that stuff will happen until most likely either episode 9 or 10 of season 4.I can see the battle of the wall being the Episode 9 of next season, to mirror “blackwater” from season 2.


    The earliest we could see this playing out is after the PW (around episode 4), davos will free gendry around 5 or 6, and will read the letter from the NW to convince stannis .Then they will head to the wall off screen to keep the surprise element of his arrival as it was in the books.Unless they introduce a lord to burn to make good speed, i’d just as well expect it to take 3 episodes of travel time for them to get there, which puts it right at episode 9 which should be the “big scene” for season 4.

    Keep in mind Davos cannot read the letter this season as the letter does not exist yet until Jon or Sam gets back to the wall, at the end of this season or beginning of the next, as in the show Sam failed to get the ravens off to castle black to warn them ahead of time.

    totally agree .. brilliant post.

  253. A wildling Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    guys anybody is willing to share the link for the Soundtrack preview? i’d really appreciate it.

  254. A wildling Bastard
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    bon,

    Now that i listened to them, some of the tracks made me shed some manly tears.. the bear and the maiden fair made sing along though. ahhh the 9th episode is so near yet so far.

  255. dragonreborn
    Posted June 2, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    I was waiting for this episode for years but I won’t watch it.
    No one will watch game of thrones this week in Turkey.
    Everyone is on the streets rebelling against the repressive islamic government.
    follow the news in tweeter #direngeziparki

    sorry for the off-topic message but our prime minister is far more cruel then jeoffrey and ramsay combined! the police kills innocent people, kings guard is more merciful.

    Spoiler here:
    We won’t let them cut down the trees in gezi parki to make a shopping mall there.

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