Episode 30 Preview: “Mhysa”
By Ours is the Fury on in Media.

“The Northerners will never forget.” – Tyrion Lannister

“Season Three Finale. Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.”

The season finale is written by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss and directed by David Nutter, the team behind last week’s episode “The Rains of Castamere.” It features the return of Gemma Whelan as Yara Greyjoy, last seen in episode 8 of season 2.

Ours is the Fury: The fallout from the Red Wedding is just beginning, and with this episode title, I’ll think we’ll be in for an emotional and epic finale.


280 Comments

  1. Grijnwaald
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

    I wonder how they will follow up from that damned wedding………

  2. Johan Sporre
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    I hope “Mhysa” references more than one scene.

  3. AA
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    When I rewatched last week’s episode, I noticed in the opening credits, when the camera angle moved from Dragonstone to the Twins, you can see The Inn at the Crossroads on the map. Arya and the BwB were already at the Inn earlier in the season, but I don’t think it has yet been a featured location on the credits map…so I think next episode, the credits will show it as a main location. The way the map shows the river leading straight from the Twins to the Inn, I think the BwB returns there, that is where Cat’s body is pulled from the water and that is where we will get the Stoneheart resurrection scene (Cue the never-ending Stoneheart debate!). And if they are adding the Inn to the map, I suspect we will get a bunch of scenes there in Season 4. Maybe some Stoneheart and BwB, and eventually Arya and the Hound, and maybe Brienne and Pod.

    My other theory about the Inn is that the interior shot of Jaime during the preview is not at Kings Landing, but at the Inn. Maybe they will have him and Brienne lay low for a few episodes before returning to King’s Landing after the PW takes place.

    As for the Asha/Yara scene. Most people think it has to do with Balon’s death, but I was thinking they might also use her as part of revealing who is holding Theon. Maybe Ramsay sends her Theon’s flayed finger skin, like how in the book Roose brings the skin to Cat before the Red Wedding. The show could expand on Yara’s search for Theon to delay the Kingsmoot and other Iron Island stuff.

  4. John
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Time goes by so fast…

  5. Azad Injejikian
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Cannot wait!

    Hopefully we’ll get Stoneheart and Coldhands !!

  6. Grijnwaald
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    John:
    Time goes by so fast…

    Too fast

  7. bon
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    The Inn is shown in the map every season.

  8. AA
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Oh damn, I thought I was really on to something

  9. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I actually think we might see Arya kill someone in this episode. The Hound is clearly fighting somebody (Freys?) and i think it would be a good way to finish the season after killing off Robb and Cat. It could give Stark fans something to be a little bit happy about. Seeing Arya kill a Frey would give them some hope that she will get revenge for her family

  10. Turncloak
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    bon,

    Um no. I have yet to see the Inn in the opening Credits

  11. Iskandarian
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Johan Sporre,

    With Mhysa meaning Mother, do you refer to the introduction of Lady Stoneheart as well as the presumable scene with Daenarys? :)
    Cause the Mhysa soundtrack that is released in the Season3 Album, has the Daenarys theme in it.

  12. Sky Aero
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    MHYSA: MOTHER OF EPISODES!

  13. Al Swearengen
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    My one small complaint with season 3 is the absence of Balon and Asha/Yara, I know Balon doesn’t appear in the book but a scene here and there with Yara telling Balon about Theon’s capture would help those who struggle to keep up with the show.

    Hope we see Stoneheart but I have a bad feeling we won’t.

  14. AA
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Ugh, I hate to admit it, but bon is right. I just watched the credits from Season 1 Episode 2, and when the camera moves from Kings Landing, you can (barely) see “Inn at the Crossroads” written on the map. Anyway, they’ve kept it on the map for this long, so perhaps my theories are correct anyway

  15. Michael Bolton
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Joffrey is going to proclaim Roose Bolton warden of the north in this episode…Also, that might be an interesting way to reveal the identity of “boy”- Have joffrey announce his legitimacy as a true Bolton and then the camera cuts to him and Theon.

  16. Al Swearengen
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Michael Bolton,

    I doubt they’ll leave Ramsay’s reveal to Joffrey that will be done in Theon’s cell with Ramsay telling him about The Red Wedding.

  17. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Michael Bolton,

    No, Joffrey will want Roose’s head on a spike for being part of the rebellion in the first place. This is part of his fight with Tywin. He wants no mercy, even for those who bent the knee.

  18. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    I can’t figure out the scene at 0:34 seconds. It almost looks like the Blackfish is fighting someone, but I only say that because of how tall the man on the left looks.

  19. ChumpForce1
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    What’s the running time of the episode? Hoping for 70-75 min.

  20. mariamb18
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    AA:

    My other theory about the Inn is that the interior shot of Jaime during the preview is not at Kings Landing, but at the Inn.Maybe they will have him and Brienne lay low for a few episodes before returning to King’s Landing after the PW takes place.

    As for the Asha/Yara scene.Most people think it has to do with Balon’s death, but I was thinking they might also use her as part of revealing who is holding Theon.Maybe Ramsay sends her Theon’s flayed finger skin, like how in the book Roose brings the skin to Cat before the Red Wedding.The show could expand on Yara’s search for Theon to delay the Kingsmoot and other Iron Island stuff.

    Excellent suggestions. I, too, have been wondering about the shot of Jaime. I don’t think they can have him arrive in KL before Joffrey’s death. If that’s the case, then they have to do something with him along the way to slow doen his journey.

    Love the suggestion about Yara but I think that it may cover both points: she gets Theon’s flayed skin because Balon has died and she is in Pyke preparing for (next season’s) kingsmoot.

  21. Kingslayer
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That’s very clearly Meera Reed. And the short clip right after that seems to be just two generic soldiers fighting, I don’t think either of them is the Blackfish.

  22. DarkRavenous
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    I cannot wait to hear the music in this episode. really hope the series ends with Stoneheart opening her eyes The shot of Daenerys looks epic.

  23. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Now that the cat’s out of the bag regarding Roose’s loyalty, I wonder if the showrunners will allow him to act the part of The Leech Lord. Seeing it in the show before the Red Wedding would have been a giveaway (insidiously creepy guy? Gotta be bad). A shot of Roose lying in the darkness, his skin swathed in pulsing leeches, his eyes two small pennies of reflected light… creepy.

  24. Blackfish
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    House Stark and House Tully really needs something positive in the season finale because Tyrion is right, the North will Remember! Payback will come.

    House Stark: Winter is Coming.
    House Tully: Family, Duty, Honor.

  25. Baelian
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Plot Twist: Winter doesn’t come.

  26. Devon Shire
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    After every epic 9 episode there is always the great opening scene to kickoff episode 10. I can already see it the camera panning up Rob’s corpse to reveal Grey Wind’s head attached to it!

  27. Kingslayer
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    After listening to Mhysa from the S3 OST, there is a very distinct creepy/supernatural-ish note at the end that almost guarantees that Lady Stoneheart will happen in the finale IMO. My money is on the last scenes of the episode starting with Dany freeing the slaves and Catelyn’s body being found and ultimately resurrected with her eyes opening as that last note hits, and bam! End credits roll.

    Check it out for yourselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t987p0f9y54

  28. Maxwell James
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Even for us book readers, this episode is ripe with questions. I don’t think I’ve ever felt more in the dark about what might happen next in the show. I kind of like it!

  29. mariamb18
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Devon Shire:
    After every epic 9 episode there is always the great opening scene to kickoff episode 10.I can already see it the camera panning up Rob’s corpse to reveal Grey Wind’s head attached to it!

    There is a rumor running around the web that we may actually see the opposite: Robb’s head on GW’s body. Not sure which is worse.

  30. Joan Català
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think they’ll introduce Coldhands this last episode. Makes much more sense for him to appear next season when Bran’s already North of the Wall.

    About Jaime, I think that he does get to King’s Landing this episode, and that Brienne will be conveniently locked away (Tywin’s orders) until Sansa escapes after/during the Purple Wedding. Then Jaime will release Brienne and ask her to search for Sansa.

    And about Lady Stoneheart… if her character appears at all in the show, it should be NOW (end of this episode of course). Her resurrection has to be sometime close to her time of death, or else viewers will ask themselves how is it Catelyn’s corpse is preserved so well.
    On another note, for Lady Stoneheart to happen they need to show how the Frey’s throw her into the river, so it stands to reason they would show what they’ve done with Robb too.

  31. bleh
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català,

    It’s confirmed Jaime get’s to King’s Landing. It’s in an interview he did for TV Guide or something, sorry I don’t have the link.

    But yes, Jaime is in KL in ep 10

  32. bleh
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    bleh,

    Whoops minor spoilers! Why can’t I edit!?

  33. Joan Català
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Theon will become Reek!

  34. Kyrion
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Were getting Coldhands in the beggining

    Stoneheart/BWB in the ending

    A lil ice and fire For the Finale

  35. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    bleh,

    No it’s not.

  36. Hand of Jaime
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Joan Català:
    I don’t think they’ll introduce Coldhands this last episode. Makes much more sense for him to appear next season when Bran’s already North of the Wall.

    About Jaime, I think that he does get to King’s Landing this episode, and that Brienne will be conveniently locked away (Tywin’s orders) until Sansa escapes after/during the Purple Wedding. Then Jaime will release Brienne and ask her to search for Sansa.

    And about Lady Stoneheart… if her character appears at all in the show, it should be NOW (end of this episode of course). Her resurrection has to be sometime close to her time of death, or else viewers will ask themselves how is it Catelyn’s corpse is preserved so well.
    On another note, for Lady Stoneheart to happen they need to show how the Frey’s throw her into the river, so it stands to reason they would show what they’ve done with Robb too.

    Initially, I thought use Coldhands introduction as a teaser to end it but I think you’re right about introducing LS into the mix.. episode opens with Robb’s body with poor Grey Wind’s head sewed on and a Frey making a comment about how it’s pretty gnarly and too bad they didn’t have another wolf for Catelyn instead of throwing her into the river… fast forward to Arya dreaming of Nymeria picking Cat out of the water… fast forward some more to the resurrection/internet exploding

    I’m fully anticipating an excellent capstone to the best season so far IMO.

  37. Endless Giraffe
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    I have a feeling they will make Roose personally responsible for what happens to Robb and Cat’s bodies. He is already known, but showing that would make him hated forever.

  38. Josla
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    I just want.to know what the heck happened to Grenn ans the others and what’s the deal with the crows that were pursuing Sam and Gilly at the end of episode 8? Also where in the world is Kovarro?

  39. Devon Shire
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    Wow that way would be much worse!

  40. Joan Català
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    In the preview we can see Lord Bolton standing atop one of the Twins and watching the slaughter of the Stark army down below. We can see Arya waking up in the middle of the battle too.

    So I don’t think we’ll have RobbWind as the first shot of the episode.

  41. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I, too, would like to know the runtime on this bad boy. I’ve read recently that it’s a regular-length episode. That would be kind of a shame after last year.

  42. Jentario
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald:
    Hodor

    I wonder how they will follow up from that damned wedding………

    My guess is the wedding isn’t over yet. We’ll see the Northmen getting slaughtered as Arya escapes and (unless its cut) the most picturesque and disturbing part of RW which is still to come (you know, book readers). Then cut to Tywin Lannister and his letters as he calls in the family to announce the “good” news.

  43. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    bleh,

    He has done two interviews that have appeared in the past few days. The ‘Access Hollywood’ interview may have been what you read. Here is what he had to say:

    Access: So Jaime is on his way back to King’s Landing with another kingslayer, or presumed kingslayer. There’s a man at King’s Landing who thinks Brienne is a kingslayer. Can we expect more heroics from Jaime should she need them?

    Nikolaj: (Laughs) You’re gonna have to wait and see. There’s only one episode left and it’s one of those episodes that are — it’s always a tricky one because you want some kind of ending of this year, and at the same time you want to set up next year. You want people, hopefully, to leave the year like, ‘Oh what a great season!’ And at the same time, ‘Oh I can’t wait for the next year.’ So who knows if we make it back, but if we did, I’m sure it would leave more questions than answers.

    I don’t see anything that confirms that they are in KL for this episode.

  44. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Speaking of Tywin. There was a picture from the set last year that showed a scene being filmed where he was fishing. Grand Maester Pycelle looked to be bringing him some news…

  45. Ren Snow
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    And still we haven’t gotten to see Kevan, Lancel, or Kovarro

  46. sunspear
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    I am looking forward to the scene with Joffrey and Tywin. It’s one of my favorites. When he called Tywin a coward, for one brief, shining second, Joffrey was the most likeable character in the room.

  47. Jose
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    this may have been posted, GRRM giving away fake spoilers on Conan, some of these are very funny

    “Joffrey adopts a lion cub and learns the true meaning of Christmas”

  48. Josla
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    I loved last episode but I still cant stop questioning how in the world could the hound get in the twins, nock Arya, carry her out, without being spotted ans attacked/killed by the Freys.

  49. Mormegil
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Some scenes I can see happening.

    Bran and Co, go through the Black Gate and emerge on the other side of the Wall only to be confronted by a hooded figure (probably on a Horse rather than an Elk) surrounded by a 1000 Ravens. End scene.

    The Blackfish escapes from the Twins but is then captured by the BwB, he is with them when they find Cats body (afterall someone has to identify her as Cat Stark).

    Hopefully we will have had the Nymeria scene prior to this but I have a feeling we won’t.


    Final scene of the episode will be Beric giving up his life to bring back Cat.

  50. House Snow
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    What is Tywin saying in the preview clip?

  51. Virtus
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Wonder how packed the episode will be, since they’re visiting all the storylines (even with those of Sam and Bran colliding).

  52. Tessa_Leonie
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    I really hope they show Nymeria getting the Cat corpse. I hope Arya and her direwolf together feature heavily in the endgame and this seems a good way of showing Nymeria is still alive

  53. Lisa
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    In the preview there’s a shot of the Hound also carrying a flag/banner with the Frey bridge sigil on it as he’s riding away with Arya. Plus I think there’s enough chaos going on for him and Arya to slip away unnoticed.

    What I’m questioning is, where is the Blackfish?

  54. Morrigan
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Those fake spoilers above are awesome. I LOLed at the Kingslayer metal band.

    House Snow:
    What is Tywin saying in the preview clip?

    “You think a crown gives you power?”

  55. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Link to this picture of Tywin fishing?

  56. Listen 2 Ghost!
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    All I want in episode 10 is the Hound and Arya messing up some Frey/Lannister/Bolton scumbags. It doesn’t even have to be the famous inn scene were Arya gutted the Tickler (probably Polliver in the show) As a matter-of-fact I hope it isn’t that and we get two or more scenes of Arya/Hound badassery!

  57. Listen 2 Ghost!
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie,

    Oh yeah. I forgot about about that. I hope it’s included as well.

  58. Adam
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Wait so will the PW be in this episode?!?!?!

    (KIDDING. Duh.)

  59. Arthur
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I really think if D&D and Cogman can convince HBO to give us 90min premiers and finales it would really help them lay the ground work on all the storylines…

    90mins would allow the writers enough time to touch base with each storyline and set us up for season beginnings and ends without a “rushed” feeling we sometimes get when multiple storylines are presented in a single episode.

    This idea will probably get shutdown by many of you for many reasons but in my personal opinion I really think the complexity of these multiple storylines would benefit greatly with this additional 30mins per premier and finale…

    One can only wish this would happen…

  60. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    “Some battles are won with swords and spears, others with quills and ravens” – Tywin

    Tywin actually said that in Tyrion’s first ASOS chapter but I hope they bust it out for the finale.

    The fact that the Hound is getting in a fight could mean that we see Arya get needle back. That would make the post RW audience feel better.

  61. babar
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if the scene where Tywin talks to Pycelle while fishing will be featured in this episode?

    If not, then I guess it’s something to look forward to for next year, when they’ll release the deleted scenes.

    EDIT: Ha, I should have read all the comments first. This has already been mentioned. ;-)

  62. Jentario
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Josla:
    I loved last episode but I still cant stop questioning how in the world could the hound get in the twins, nock Arya, carry her out, without being spotted ans attacked/killed by the Freys.

    Who said he wasn’t attacked? He may well have left a trail of bodies.

  63. Igor Veloso
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Stark banners burning…not cool! Feels wrong!
    Jose,

    His laugh always cracks me up xD EVIL(ish) =p

  64. ebevan91
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    I hope we get to see the Nightfort on the map.

  65. Rutager
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    In AFFC Asha talks about going to Winterfell and seeing what remains. I think we’ll see that this episode

  66. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Saw the actor that plays Polliver tweet to someone that he was going back to Belfast for filming this summer, so I think we’ll see Arya get Needle back in season 4.

  67. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    I’m so excited but don’t want it to be over. :(:(

  68. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    It’s somewhere between 60 and 70 minutes. We’ll find out soon enough.

  69. vampiredoctor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    No Quaithe this season?

  70. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Tessa_Leonie,

    Agreed. I would really love to see Arya’s Nymeria connection and that is such a strong and sad moment in the book.

  71. ebevan91
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Jeff O’Connor,

    It’s somewhere between 60 and 70 minutes. We’ll find out soon enough.

    Well if you take out the “previously on” and “inside the episode” it’ll probably be around 60 minutes. Just guessing. Maybe the recap will be a little longer since we’ll probably be getting most storylines in this episode. And then the Inside the Episode might be a little longer to since it’s the finale.

    EDIT: I have no idea why I spoiler tagged all of that.

  72. Prince of Pentos
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    There are some lines by Tywin Lannister that I can almost never catch, even when repeating the segment like five times. He says what (?):

    “You really think the [clowd?] gives you power?”

    What is that word in the parenthesis? Really hard to catch…

    SPEAK CLEARLY LORD LANNISTER!

    **runs away before he’s executed.**

  73. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos,

    Crown.

    Us British speak proper, init.

  74. Jared
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    bleh:
    Joan Català,

    It’s confirmed Jaime get’s to King’s Landing. It’s in an interview he did for TV Guide or something, sorry I don’t have the link.

    But yes, Jaime is in KL in ep 10

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m pretty sure that this is the interview that bleh is referencing

    http://jaimelannister.tumblr.com/post/51730891080/jaime-lannister-returns-tv-guide-summer-preview

    From the article:

    Home is not so sweet for Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) when he returns to King’s Landing to reunite with his powerful family in the Game of Thrones season finale.

    You’re right that it doesn’t confirm that Jaime returns to KL by the finale – the interviewer could be misinterpreting it. But combined with that shot of Jaime in the promo, I think it’s likely.

  75. SCD
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos,

    I believe the word you are looking for is “crown” :)

  76. Jared
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    This is going to be a great episode for Tywin, or at least a great chance for Charles Dance to spit some killer dialogue.

    Joffrey challenges Tywin … hah.

    “Joffrey, when your enemies defy you, you must serve them steel and fire. When they go to their knees, however, you must help them back to their feet. Elsewise no man will ever bend the knee to you. And any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no true king at all.”

    Then there’s Tywin’s line to Tyrion justifying the Red Wedding: “Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner.” Brutal logic, but I remember thinking that when you look at it from that perspective, it actually makes sense in a perverse kind of way.

  77. sati
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I just hope Mhysa track which is incredible will be used in Daenerys/Cat montage in the end. That would be perfection.

  78. Porky
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    I’m just hoping for something uplifting. Daenerys and her Dragons gave viewers, including myself, hope at the end of season one. We need something along those lines. The book readers are really teasing something big, so I’m definitely excited.

  79. sati
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Jared: Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m pretty sure that this is the interview that bleh is referencing

    http://jaimelannister.tumblr.com/post/51730891080/jaime-lannister-returns-tv-guide-summer-preview

    From the article:

    Home is not so sweet for Jaime Lannister (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau) when he returns to King’s Landing to reunite with his powerful family in the Game of Thrones season finale.

    You’re right that it doesn’t confirm that Jaime returns to KL by the finale – the interviewer could be misinterpreting it. But combined with that shot of Jaime in the promo, I think it’s likely.

    If that is the case I wonder how they will handle the whole return Sansa promise

  80. Turri
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Unrelated speculation.

    So, for next season, I was wondering about whether they could really cut Meereen now that they’ve used up the infiltration trick, and then I remembered the duel between Belwas and Meereen’s champion and I had this idea.

    In Ep. 309, Daario says he wants Dany’s “two best swords” for the mission, Jorah immediately reacts and nods towards Grey Worm. When they walk out of the tent, Barristan asks to join them, but is denied. I thought that was a bit weird, nobody seemed to recognise he’s probably still a better fighter than all of those three, but I guessed it was because the actor is too old, not trained with swords or some other production matter. Still, why include the scene at all then?

    Imagine they play up that single duel to decide whether Dany takes the city or has to withdraw. Jorah and Daario immediately beg her to be champion, arguing about who’s better. Surprise intervention by Barristan: your Grace, the honour should be given to your Queensguard.

    Bla, bla, he gets the fight. The two walk up, dramatic music (maybe even episode ending here), fight starts, Barristan cuts the guy to pieces without even sweating, the city is taken. Everybody: holy shit.

    Might be completely wishful, tell me what you think.

  81. NoOne
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    I am very surprised that so many people think that Lady Stoneheart reveal will be uplifting or cathartic. I think it’s supposed to be dark and unsettling, I don’t buy the idea to mislead the audience for a cliffhanger. I read here that the episode will end in a hopeful note, that’s not hopeful. Her reveal should be handed in a different way.

  82. Paul Blackfyre
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know if we will see at least one of the following characters in the season finale?

    - Kovarro
    - Tommen
    - Kevan
    - Lancel
    - Balon
    - Gregor
    - Pyp
    - Aemon
    - Lysa
    - Robin
    - Quaithe

  83. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Paul Blackfyre,

    Pyp is actually in this trailer- there’s a quick glimpse of him with Samwell at 00:32.

  84. ebevan91
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Paul Blackfyre:
    Does anyone know if we will see at least one of the following characters in the season finale?

    - Kovarro
    - Tommen
    - Kevan
    - Lancel
    - Balon
    - Gregor
    - Pyp
    - Aemon
    - Lysa
    - Robin
    - Quaithe

    Actually, I read on the GoT wiki that

    Quaithe, Lancel, Kevan, Gregor, Pyp, Robin, Lysa all have scenes filmed for this season. I guess if we saw Lancel and Kevan it’d be for the Red Wedding reaction, as well as Lysa and her kid

    Now whether there’s any truth to that, IDK. We’ll find out in about 48 hours.

  85. Paul Blackfyre
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Thanks, I hadn’t notice!

  86. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    Robin and Lysa‘s scenes were supposed to be in an earlier episode, from what we’ve heard. It looks like they’ve possibly been cut. They were on Lino Facioli‘s CV and now the episodes are not.

  87. Paul Blackfyre
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    ebevan91,

    Hum, yes. I think it’s possible that we’ll see Lancel and Kevan. Regarding the other characters, I’m not so confident.

  88. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Turri,

    Yeah, that occured to me as well as soon as I heard that Strong Belwas was cut. Would be awesome fun, even though it has little plot significance.

  89. Prince of Pentos
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Less to do with the “British” accent (–which one, precisely, is the “proper” one?) than with Charles Dance perhaps muttering slightly or the way the shots are cut/context lacking, which is not out of the ordinary, in a preview.

    But fine. Have it your way. My “dumbified” ear is too base-born to comprehend British English.

    God bless (–or is it save?) the Queen!

    ……heh heh….. **snickers**

  90. MyBFFTheHound
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    We still haven’t had the Tywin fishing-scene with Pycelle have we?

  91. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos,

    We British are superior to lowborn commoner princes such as yourself. That is why we play all fantasy characters in movies and television, and every Disney villain you’ve ever known.

    (Although actually, I don’t even like the Queen. Republican through and through!)

    MyBFFTheHound,

    It was cut, I think.

  92. Turncloak
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    NoOne,

    I found Stonehearts revealsuper hopeful/awesome when i read it

  93. Cat of the Canals
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    AA:
    When I rewatched last week’s episode, I noticed in the opening credits, when the camera angle moved from Dragonstone to the Twins, you can see The Inn at the Crossroads on the map.Arya and the BwB were already at the Inn earlier in the season, but I don’t think it has yet been a featured location on the credits map…so I think next episode, the credits will show it as a main location.The way the map shows the river leading straight from the Twins to the Inn, I think the BwB returns there, that is where Cat’s body is pulled from the water and that is where we will get the Stoneheart resurrection scene (Cue the never-ending Stoneheart debate!).And if they are adding the Inn to the map, I suspect we will get a bunch of scenes there in Season 4.Maybe some Stoneheart and BwB, and eventually Arya and the Hound, and maybe Brienne and Pod.

    My other theory about the Inn is that the interior shot of Jaime during the preview is not at Kings Landing, but at the Inn.Maybe they will have him and Brienne lay low for a few episodes before returning to King’s Landing after the PW takes place.

    As for the Asha/Yara scene.Most people think it has to do with Balon’s death, but I was thinking they might also use her as part of revealing who is holding Theon.Maybe Ramsay sends her Theon’s flayed finger skin, like how in the book Roose brings the skin to Cat before the Red Wedding.The show could expand on Yara’s search for Theon to delay the Kingsmoot and other Iron Island stuff.

    Inn would be a huge detour from Harrenhall.

  94. Sylar
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    the jamie part is not right they would have to go north from harrenhal to get to the inn instead of going south to kings landing,the other stuff sounds good though

  95. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    This scene and the Stannis scenes are the ones I am most looking forward to. This is where the best acting/dialogue will happen.

  96. Phil
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Hoping for Lady Stoneheart reveal as the end scene but i DONT think it’s a “cool” or good idea for them to actually show the BwB ressurecting her. Having the final shot of the season be her “opening her eyes” sounds like some cheesy Avatar-shit. It should just be more or less the same kind of scene as the Storms of Swords epilogue, that way we wouldn’t see the lead-up to the reveal which would make it more shocking

  97. freoduwebbe
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I want to hear the rat cook story from Bran.
    and I want to see Edmures morning after

  98. Turncloak
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    It looks like Ygritte is aiming her arrow at someone at 0:28

  99. Turncloak
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    I think they can pull it off either way

  100. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    How can Jaime arrive in KL when NCW has talked in interviews about how he hasn’t been to Croatia yet? All of his scenes were filmed in Belfast and LA. You’d think his arrival would happen as he rides into the city. Would he really just appear in an interior scene? I suppose it would be nice to have more scenes between Jaime and Tyrion. But I’m not thrilled with Jaime being present for Joffrey’s death.

  101. Sylar
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    most likely red wedding aftermath, could be random stark/frey soldiers, remember last weeks preview? they showed us that stark tully wrestling and that turned out to be nothing.

  102. MRR
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    I just hope Mhysa track which is incredible will be used in Daenerys/Cat montage in the end. That would be perfection.

    Blech. Couldn’t disagree more. I agree with NoOne that Lady Stoneheart is totally unfitting for that uplifting music—not to mention the fact that it’s Daenerys’s theme throughout, and it wouldn’t make ANY sense to use Dany’s theme for another character.

    I’m also 99% certain I saw an interview with the actor who plays Lancel explaining that he didn’t have any scenes this year.

    Turri,

    As someone else mentioned, I also thought of this as soon as I heard that Strong Belwas was cut. It’s pretty much the only thing Belwas accomplishes throughout the entire series… aside from munchin’ on honeyed locusts.

  103. Sylar
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    im with you man, i dont care if each episode is 2 hours long i need more thrones

  104. Sylar
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    dont you mean properly? :)

  105. EPN
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    “And who are you,” the proud lord said, “that I should bow so low?” “I am Danerys Stormborn of the House Targaryen, mhysa, mother of dragons and of the slaves of the free cities, Khaleesi of the Dothraki, and the rightful heir to the Iron Throne of Westeros. And you will bow to me.”

  106. Michael274
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    To me it would be more stupid if they don’t show it

  107. Josla
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Sylar:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    most likely red wedding aftermath, could be random stark/frey soldiers, remember last weeks preview? they showed us that stark tully wrestling and that turned out to be nothing.

    Did we actually have that scene in the episode? I don’t recall watching it…

  108. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    EPN,

    Stannis Baratheon sends his regards, and would like to remind you that your family was conquered and that he is now the rightful and true King of Westeros.

  109. Throne To The Wolves
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    ChumpForce1,

    RUNNING TIME: It’s listed as a 70 minute time-slot on HBO, so, in theory, the actually episode should have about 10 extra minutes. Which, of course, is still about 50 minutes too few. ;)

  110. Kingslayer
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    Listen to that last 20 seconds of Mhysa. There is a sudden creepy/supernatural feeling to it and it definitely wouldn’t fit with Dany just freeing the slaves like the rest of the song does. It clearly points to some sort of reveal, and LS makes the most sense.

  111. Kingslayer
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    NoOne,

    Catelyn coming back to life isn’t hopeful? Perhaps not to a book reader who knows where her arc is going, but to a non-book reader who is still upset about the RW, I’d say it’s pretty damn hopeful that she’s now alive again.

  112. Ned
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Two questions: I thoughtLysa was suppose to be in this season, does anyone know if we’re going to The Eyrie? Also I thought GRRM had a cameo this season, did I make this up? I thought I read it somewhere.

  113. Dany's 4th dragon
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    ChumpForce1,

    my on screen tv guide says 70 minutes

  114. Lin Beifunk
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Ned,

    He was going to die at the RW, but time constraints or something prevented it, IIRC.

  115. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Ned,

    Scroll up, I talked about Lysa and Robin already. :)

  116. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think we will see Nymeria because D&D and Cogman have all said that they avoid doing dream sequences for everyone but Bran. I don’t think they would violate that tenet BUT I hope I am wrong. And they can’t just open with Nymeria because many viewers won’t remember what she looked like or that she belongs to Arya unless they have someone present who could recognize the wolf and call her by name. Still non readers probably still won’t remember she belongs to Arya unless Arya is physically present and recognizes the wolf.

  117. Brandon
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    *Spoilers I’m surprised no one has brought up Joffrey’s wedding feast being the final scene. His death would be an interesting way to end it, especially with Tyrion being the suspected murderer….great cliffhanger. Everyone keeps talking about lady stoneheart but I feel her reveal would be too soon since it isn’t revealed until later in the book. it would be better placed later on next season after more has taken place in the plot. But who knows, they may move it up  

  118. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Fantastic news. Thank you.

  119. Frey Pies
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:55 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    It seems like all the fighting in the camps will be shown at the beginning of the finale.

  120. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 7, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    My cable provider says 63 minutes.

    Warging is too important to the storylines of Arya and Jon to exclude it entirely. They can get away with leaving it out of Jon’s scenes for a couple more seasons but we need Arya’s wolf dreams to keep her connected to her Starkiness, plus she wargs into the cat to trick the Kindly Man.

  121. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    LIVE PREDICTIONS

    Byron and the other guy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiu9L7pwhg8&feature=g-user-lsb

  122. Doug Masters
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    The season finale is 70 minutes, I checked on my guide,8pm-9:10

  123. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    sati,

    The whole return Sansa promise….

    I am betting that Jaime will be torn. After all Sansa is Tyrion’s legal wife but she deserves to be free. And no matter what Jaime and Brienne want Tywin, Cersei and Jeffrey won’t let it happen. This will be one of the many wedges that will come between Jaime and his family in Season 4

  124. Doug Masters
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    70 minutes 8-9:10pm

  125. Spryte
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Kingslayer,

    I totally thought the same thing about that eerie portion at the end of the song! I mean, I don’t think dialogue is even necessary for the incarnation of LS. The BwB talking about it -> doing it seems a bit silly and would take away from the impact of the event for me.

    On the other hand, a very similar sound is played in the beginning of Dracarys, so it could just mean that the track is completely, very exclusively Dany. And I don’t think Ramin’s tracks traditionally bleed into other characters? I could be wrong.

  126. Eor!
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    WheelofIceandFire:
    I actually think we might see Arya kill someone in this episode. The Hound is clearly fighting somebody (Freys?) and i think it would be a good way to finish the season after killing off Robb and Cat. It could give Stark fans something to be a little bit happy about. Seeing Arya kill a Frey would give them some hope that she will get revenge for her family

    This is my thought too. In the books Arya has already killed another person, when she escaped from Harrenhall. I’m assuming that this scene will be another version of that, instead of the fight at the Inn, which hopefully will occur next season.

  127. Charles2
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    sati,

    Easy:

    1. Jaime: “What are we going to about our oaths, now that her mother and whole family is dead? And she’s married to my brother…”

    2. Tywin: “Do you really think I’m going to let you take away the key to the north?”

  128. Braincandy
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    Jared,

    I disagree about Tywin’s comment to Tyrion. It’s about choice. Robb et al. chose, more or less, to go to war. Tywin et al. stole that choice from them. Plus they slaughtered a LOT of people.

  129. el
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    I’ve been listening to the season 3 soundtrack nonstop and it’s beautiful, although I do skip The Bear and The Maiden Fair. Mhysa is such a beautiful song and I hope parts of it make it into the episode. Dany freeing the slaves in Yunkai should make for a powerful moment. I don’t see Mhysa being used as part of the LS reveal, although I think it would be cool.

  130. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Welp, officially sad all over again…

    Stumbled across a site with screencaps….GreyRobb is definitely in :(

  131. Lin Beifunk
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Dang, another leak?!

  132. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Byron and Dino are so fun to watch, mostly because I chuckle through most of their predictions but also because they actually understand that anyone watching has seen the episode and doesn’t need a scene by scene reminder.

  133. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    Yeah, looked like a big one too.

  134. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:54 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    This is fucking ridiculous. I thought HBO plugged this?

    I guess after the hoopla with the Red Wedding this was bound to happen.

  135. el
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    omg! They’ve made it even worse by throwing him on a horse and parading him around!!!!

  136. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I didn’t really believe it was a leak either…but then I saw the caps and they definitely looked legit

  137. Zack
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    Dammit, damn spoilers. :(

    Although I am glad to hear that’s in there. I’m gonna have onion eyes.

  138. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:08 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    Couldn’t help myself. Fuck me! D & D have balls that’s for certain. This is going to pour salts on the audience’s wound like we won’t believe. Every unsullied (and Sullied) will be punched in the gut. With this final blow I can’t conceive how they could not have LS in the finale.

  139. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    Agree; LS has to be in.

  140. VILLAIN
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    To be honest, I’m sick and tired of every season ending with Dany and her ‘winning’. She’s had her moments this season and I know that Mhysa will be another great scene for her, but I really really would prefer if Lady Stoneheart was this seasons supernatural ender. It’s another way to trick the Unsullied into being happy that she’s back alive, until they realise next season that this isn’t the Catelyn that we’re used too.

    As for Nymeria finding Cat and pulling her along for the BwB to find, I just don’t see it happening. As someone mentioned previously viewers wouldn’t remember Arya’s dire wolf at all, let alone its name or being able to identify what it looks like. It’s also very hard for it to be conveyed onto screen effectively unless we see Arya warging into her, which in my opinion won’t be suitable since we just found out Bran can do it.

    Honestly, I’d say Thoros and Beric will be walking along and find Cat washed up on the river and then the ‘For the Realm’ sequence will happen.

  141. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    VILLAIN,

    I’m not sure how well it would work, but they could show Arya asleep, squirming and flinching as if she were in a nightmare, and transition that to a POV shot for Nymeria like Bran did with Summer in Season 2.

  142. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    I don’t think these are from a leaked episode, they are almost leaked production stills. The quality is too good. Plus LS would be there.

  143. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I don’t know, if she were I’m sure the douches who are spoiling stuff in these photos would have had a screencap of her.

  144. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I hope you’re right. The only two spoilery photos were of Robbwind and Jaime in KL.

  145. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Look at the ep 9 photos, completely different angles and framing than in the aired episode. Somehow these promotional stills got leaked and HBO is keeping LS under tight wraps.

  146. LordDavos12
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Edr…I mean Gendry and Davos is spoilery too

  147. Rhys
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    LordDavos12,

    I don’t think these are from a leaked episode, they are almost leaked production stills. The quality is too good. Plus LS would be there.

    You’re right. They’re definitely production stills. The ones from Ep. 9 are from different angles to how the scenes appear in the episode.

  148. maia
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    VILLAIN,

    not really too excited about dany’s part, looks she’s going to have another “winning” moment. the season will end with her on the final scene “winning” again…..looks like Mysha is all about her “winning” based on that leaked photo.

  149. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    maia,

    U said the word “winning” once or twice

  150. Javi Marcos
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    A hint of where we could find those caps?

  151. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:43 am | Permalink

    Red Hound,

    RobbWind looks gruesome. I’m still pretty confident we get LS in this episode

  152. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:46 am | Permalink

    LordDavos12,

    They don’t have to have Arya dream at all, just show Nymeria and have Thoros make a comment like “that’s the direwolf that mauled Joffrey” and then have nymeria lead the brotherhood to cat and then have Nymeria drag the body out

  153. Red Hound
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Red Hound,

    RobbWind looks gruesome. I’m still pretty confident we get LS in this episode

    Me too, 100%, but we should put LS into spoiler brackets.
    (I fixed it in your quote for my post)

  154. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Looks like Jaime is arriving early in kingslanding. I wonder what that means for Brienne and Sansa.

  155. Max Maxen
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    Do we see Tyrion riding out in a forest?? I think the season could end for Tyrion, with him riding out to meet the Dornish delegation.

  156. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    Sam and Pyp at 0:32.

  157. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    Max Maxen,

    Hope so. This episode looks like it deviates most from the books so far

  158. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Max Maxen,

    No, GRRM has confirmed that Oberyn Martell is being cast for next season, so it wouldn’t make much sense for that to occur this episode. Unless he only sees them in the distance or something…

  159. joey
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    why didn’t to legitimize jon. Da hell

  160. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    omg… those photos… so Jaime arrives in KL earlier than expected. I’m not very thrilled about this. It really displaces some things. Can’t wait to see Ramsay’s reveal, the Mhysa scene, and of course Lady Stoneheart. I’m dreading to see Robbwind… another punch through my stomach.

    Oh and yes, Yara’s return. Who bets with me that Gemma will be made a series regular next season? Assuming that the Kingsmoot thread appears in S4; and that her uncles will be just guest actors, as they should be…. but hey, Gwendolie was supposed to made a regular, and guess what? she’s not!

    edit: Jaime’s hand grows back apparently, from what I can see. Is he a mutant, or something?

  161. A wildling Bastard
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    My other theory about the Inn is that the interior shot of Jaime during the preview is not at Kings Landing, but at the Inn.Maybe they will have him and Brienne lay low for a few episodes before returning to King’s Landing after the PW takes place.

    why would Jaime to the inn if he wants to get back to KL?! it wouldn’t make sense. jaime was at harrenhal. he should be riding south to KL not north… anyway we’ll see soon enough. i agree about your other theories though.

  162. Marie
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    I am so worried at them changing the Jaime / Brienne storyline and have back them in KL right now …. If only this could be a mistake and the photos could be from another random catsle / Inn along the way …

  163. thisone
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    Bear Island knows no king but the King in the North, whose name is STARK.

  164. Iskandarian
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Im pretty sure we’ll get an introduction of Coldhands. Just a guess though.
    I mean just look at the end of the episode ‘Second Sons’. Lots of Ravens that helped Sam notifying about the White walker.

    Im thinking it also could be Coldhands that encounters Bran & Co. Also you can see in the preview for ep10 that there is someone that sneaks up on Bran and the others.

  165. Nick_Scryer
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Iskandarian,

    It’s Sam and Gilly. Coldhands will be pushed to next year, if at all.

  166. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Marie,

    What’s the problem with having Jaime and Brienne earlier in KL?

  167. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    babar,

    Yea I really don’t see how it’s an issue. Nothing occurs there that he could prevent in any case. In fact, it might make it a little more emotionally powerful to a TV viewer if he is present for PW, and it actually gives the actor something to do because his trip from Harrenhal to KL is basically uneventful in the books. Or did that Frey cousin die in between there? Either way makes no difference as that guy is already murdered by Jaimie in the show..

  168. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,

    It’s a production still. That’s why his hand is there.

  169. Marie
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:40 am | Permalink

    babar,

    babar:
    Marie,

    What’s the problem with having Jaime and Brienne earlier in KL?

    I can think of a few things :
    - the Sansa / Brienne storyline : one of the great things in the book, is that Brienne never gets to be in the same place as Sansa. When they arrive in KL, she has just gone missing, it is so frustrating ! Sansa is supposed to be that vanishing purpose of a desperate quest.
    - And what of the Jaime / Sansa coming moments now ? they sort of make no sense for me.
    - Arriving after Joffrey’s death, Jaime can’t be blamed for not protecting his king. Instead, when reuniting with the King’s gard, he blames the knights and takes some measures. Now, if he attends Joffrey’s wedding (which seems probable, although ok, no one can tell for sure) he’s going to be just as “involved” as the others.
    - and finally, I would have loved to have them on their owns for a bit longer, because they are so great together, and it’s not going to be the same in KL.

    But, wait and see, perhaps it is going to be ok after all.

  170. Krh240
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    I definitely do not want Stoneheart this episode. Or Coldhands. But especially Stoneheart, because bringing Catelyn back this soon would lessen the power of the Red Wedding.

    You guys want all this stuff now, but next season is going to be pretty boring if they use up all of ASOSs surprises and cool moments this season except for the PW (and people are wanting that too….). And some people are wanting the Kingsmoot now too, which shouldn’t happen for two more seasons!

    Just be patient, people.

  171. kingslayer
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:16 am | Permalink

    Not sure if mentioned yet, but this episode should also feature Kate Dickie as Lysa, last seen in 1×08

    Its been confirmed she filmed this year

  172. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:18 am | Permalink

    Marie,

    None of these are essential to the story, IMO. And, really, Jaime and Brienne have been on the road for more than a season now. It will become a bit redundant if they don’t arrive in KL soon.

    Here’s what’s essential, though: the revelation about Tysha that will occur next season. Having Jaime arrive in KL earlier gives them the opportunity to build to that, by adding some scenes between Tyrion and Jaime.

    In the books, we are constantly reminded that Tyrion and Jaime actually love each other. In the TV show, all the non-book readers have at this point is a small scene from the second episode of season 1.

  173. kingslayer
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:21 am | Permalink

    Ren Snow,

    Kovarro was seen carrying the crate holding drogon in episode 4, and on horseback at the end of the episode!

  174. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:26 am | Permalink

    Krh240,

    That’s not about “wanting it now”. People already gave plenty of reasons why they think it should happen in the finale.

    And the PW is far from being the only cool moment left from ASOS: Battle at the Wall (+ Battle for Castleblack?), Red Viper vs Mountain, Tyrion on a killing spree and Lysa flying through the Moon Door immediately come to mind.

  175. Bard
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Krh240: I definitely do not want Stoneheart this episode. Or Coldhands. But especially Stoneheart, because bringing Catelyn back this soon would lessen the power of the Red Wedding.

    And some people are wanting the Kingsmoot now too, which shouldn’t happen for two more seasons!

    Just be patient, people.

    The Kingsmoot will be in Season 4, no doubt about it. It might be material from AFFC, but it coincides with the events of ASOS.

  176. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    babar:
    Krh240,

    That’s not about “wanting it now”. People already gave plenty of reasons why they think it should happen in the finale.

    And the PW is far from being the only cool moment left from ASOS: Battle at the Wall (+ Battle for Castleblack?), Red Viper vs Mountain, Tyrion on a killing spree and Lysa flying through the Moon Door immediately come to mind.

    Yep. Some of those are arguably better than some of the big moments we saw in season 3. Plus, as we saw with the Red Wedding, the show runners could change something for the better and make these things even more epic (granted, they also took epic things out of the Red Wedding like Grey Wind’s battle to the death).

  177. KG
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Jose,

    Ok, I finally saw something Conan O’Brien did that was funny :D Ty for the link

  178. TheFrozenKing
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    i was hoping to see Joffery bite the dust… Oh well…

  179. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:54 am | Permalink

    Is it really that difficult to use the spoiler option?

  180. MUGger
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    Belwas may still appear. A natural place to introduce him would be as one ofMereen’s pit fighters.

  181. sati
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Robbwind looks very creepy and shocking. Great job with that one.

  182. fuelpagan
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ:
    I don’t think we will see Nymeria because D&D and Cogman have all said that they avoid doing dream sequences for everyone but Bran.I don’t think they would violate that tenet BUT I hope I am wrong.And they can’t just open with Nymeria because many viewers won’t remember what she looked like or that she belongs to Arya unless they have someone present who could recognize the wolf and call her by name.Still non readers probably still won’t remember she belongs to Arya unless Arya is physically present and recognizes the wolf.

    That is what the “Previously On” segment before the show is for. Nymeria did have a distinctive face.

  183. Bard
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    fuelpagan: That is what the “Previously On” segment before the show is for. Nymeria did have a distinctive face.

    The “Previously On” segment for episode 10 is on YouTube and Nymeria is not in it. Cat is, however.

  184. DarkRavenous
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Judging by the preview the Hound is fighting some Freys. I thinks it important Arya kills one of them or at least helps during the fight.

  185. Mursk
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    I am pretty convinced Lady Stoneheart will be the final scene. I picture the BWB finding the body. Beric asks Thoros to bring her back, Thoros refuses maybe he thinks she’s been dead too long or he’d rather let her rest in peace. Beric kneels down beside her and after a moment he staggers back and collapses. Thoros and Anguy rush to Beric and realize he’s dead. Anguy looks over Thoros’ shoulder and says, “look!” Thoros turns and we see Catelyn sitting up by the side of the river. Roll credits. Don’t need the eyes opening that some people think is cheesy, just a creepy wtf moment of a corpse no longer laying down. It wraps up Beric’s storyline and gives Stark fans crushed by the RW a moment of “oh snap, she’s gonna go on a killing spree!”

    Cause what else could they possibly end the episode with that would come close to the finales of the first two seasons? We had dragons, then White Walkers, and now ??? I can’t think of any other possible scenes they could use. Coldhands wouldn’t be enough unless he’s got two Children of the Forest sitting on his shoulders.

  186. Nancy
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    maia,

    This is a theme the show is going to have to change up Next season, viewers are going to expect a massive event in episode 9-Stannis saving the day probably/Tyrion’s confrontation with his father- and ANOTHER winning moment for Dany-rolls eyes-or something with her dragons in episode 10. I mean what are they going to do when she is no longer having winning moments, cannot control her dragons? I wish we would have been spared Robb/Grey Wind awfulness but I did not have a lot of hope for that.

  187. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    can you post a link?

  188. fuelpagan
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    Well when they do decide to bring Nymeria back we will see it in the “previously on” segment since we have no characters that could recognize her as Arya’s. Or use a Bran type wolf dream with Arya waking up. Now that they’ve shown Bran’s level of ability is special, I think they can start showing Arya and Jon having a basic connection to their wolves as well.

  189. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:20 am | Permalink
  190. Joan Català
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Krh240:
    I definitely do not want Stoneheart this episode.Or Coldhands.But especially Stoneheart, because bringing Catelyn back this soon would lessen the power of the Red Wedding.


    You guys want all this stuff now, but next season is going to be pretty boring if they use up all of ASOSs surprises and cool moments this season except for the PW (and people are wanting that too….).And some people are wanting the Kingsmoot now too, which shouldn’t happen for two more seasons!

    Just be patient, people.

    Next season they have to introduce some new material, most likely the Kingsmoot. My reasons:

    Season 4, aside from the big three storylines: The Wall (JON, SAM and eventually STANNIS), King’s Landing with PW and trial (TYRION, SANSA, JAIME, RED VIPER, TYWIN,etc), and Mereen (DANY), doesn’t have much material left from ASOS:
    Arya has to get back Needle, leave the Hound for dead and get on a ship.
    Bran has already covered ASOS once he crosses the Wall and they can’t use much material from ADWD else he’ll get ahead of the story.
    And Brienne’s search for Sansa won’t start until halfway S4 at the very least.

    All this is, in my opinion, and judging from these three previous seasons, not enough for 10 hours of TV and most likely they’ll borrow from AFFC&ADWD to fill the gaps. The Kingsmoot is one likely candidate, since their events happen during ASOS (even though we read about it in AFFC) and the writers don’t have to wait for something in the series to happen (assuming Balon dies this Sunday). Dorne, on the other hand, can’t be introduced until after the Red Viper dies and the Sand Snakes want to do something about it and Elia’s murder too.

    It’s a matter of introducing new characters too. If Victarion, Aeron and Euron (and the smaller characters who accompany them) aren’t introduced in S4, we’ll have a S5 where this many characters are introduced:
    The Ironborn, the Dornish (Doran, Arienne, Darkstar, Arys Oakheart, etc), the major players at the Vale, Aegon and Jon Connington plus their companions, perhaps Quentyn Martell and his friends, the Kindly man and the waif….. TOO MANY CHARACTERS. I’m counting 10+ uncuttable ones, plus all their different entourages. My point is they have to introduce some of them earlier so it doesn’t fill like whole new different show.

  191. sati
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    MRR,

    I really don’t think Mhysa scene will take 4 minutes (as long as entire track is). And I find the idea of someone avenging The Starks very uplifting.

  192. Bard
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming: Bard,

    can you post a link?

    Game of Thrones Season 3: Recap #9:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ed3WYZaXg0

  193. Chickenduck
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    kingslayer:
    You guys want all this stuff now, but next season is going to be pretty boring if they use up all of ASOSs surprises and cool moments this season except for the PW (and people are wanting that too….). And some people are wanting the Kingsmoot now too, which shouldn’t happen for two more seasons!

    Just be patient, people.

    They’ve already said that S4 will contain material from FFC and ADWD. There is only about half a season’s material left in ASOS.

    Secondly, why are you assuming that they’d do one season for AFFC, followed by one for ADWD? The events in those two books happen simultaneously… and that’s how they’ll be on screen.

  194. mariamb18
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    babar:
    Marie,

    None of these are essential to the story, IMO. And, really, Jaime and Brienne have been on the road for more than a season now. It will become a bit redundant if they don’t arrive in KL soon.

    Here’s what’s essential, though: the revelation about Tysha that will occur next season. Having Jaime arrive in KL earlier gives them the opportunity to build to that, by adding some scenes between Tyrion and Jaime.

    In the books, we are constantly reminded that Tyrion and Jaime actually love each other. In the TV show, all the non-book readers have at this point is a small scene from the second episode of season 1.

    Good suggestions. Maybe it can work. I like the idea of more scenes between Jaime and Tyrion. It adds some depth to their relationship which will be highlighted when Jaime helps to facilitate Tyrion’s escape from KL. I also look forward to watching Nikolaj and Peter together.

    Brienne could be imprisoned upon her arrival in KL, as she was in the books, because Loras wants her held responsible for Renly’s death. That way, she would never actually get to see Sansa before she escapes from KL.

    Jaime’s return to KL could also be the catalyst for ending Cersei’s betrothal to Loras. Something has to give with that story line.

  195. kingslayer
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    to those of you wondering about the finale running time see this post from last year

    http://winteriscoming.net/2012/12/s3-episodes-to-be-longer-on-average/

    although they lied about the episodes being longer on average, besides episode 5, you can assume the finale will be about 65 minutes

  196. coronaking
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    mariamb18:
    Brienne could be imprisoned upon her arrival in KL, as she was in the books, because Loras wants her held responsible for Renly’s death. That way, she would never actually get to see Sansa before she escapes from KL.

    But in show canon Loras said he doesn’t believe that Brienne killed Renly (in “The Ghost of Harrenhal”). It wouldn’t be logical if he thinks it now.

  197. mariamb18
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    coronaking: But in show canon Loras said he doesn’t believe that Brienne killed Renly (in “The Ghost of Harrenhal”). It wouldn’t be logical if he thinks it now.

    Correct. I remembered that after I posted. There are ways around that, however. Since he made that claim in Margaery’s presence, he could make a different “official” claim. Or, they could go a diffferent route and imprison her as a traitor to the Iron Throne because she supported Renly. Either way, I think that it wll be easy for them to keep her away from Sansa prior to her escape.

  198. stunningsteve
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    If the Tywin/Pycelle fishing scene wasn’t deleted, I think that Pycelle will tell Tywin about the letter from the Freys stating “Roslin caught a fine fat trout. Her brothers gave her a pair of wolf pelts for her wedding.”

  199. sunspear
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Re. Brienne’s promise about Sansa.

    Maybe DD have taken the book readers complaints about her arc in AFFC seriously and are going to have her fill in for Dontos. Wouldn’t THAT be stupid.

  200. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Dontos will be back. They said so in an interview.

  201. Tormund Thunderfist
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Maxwell James:
    Even for us book readers, this episode is ripe with questions. I don’t think I’ve ever felt more in the dark about what might happen next in the show. I kind of like it!

    I agree.

  202. Anguissette1979
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    I just had a thought… Stoneheart is the epilogue of ASOS. What if they used it as a show!epilogue in Season 3 or 4?

    If season 3, ends with Dany “winning”. Roll credits. Credits end. We get one 10-15 second scene of the Stoneheart reveal. FIN. If season 4, end with Shae & Tywin’s deaths. Roll credits. Credits end. We get one 10-15 second scene of the Stoneheart reveal. FIN.

    That way WE even think the season’s story is over and then BAM!

  203. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    Enh. That’s too Marvel movie-esque.

  204. Mormegil
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    sunspear,

    I can actually see a scenario where Jaime and Brienne hatch a plot to get Sansa out of Kings Landing and to the Vale (with Brienne travelling with her). At the Wedding however Dontos approaches Sansa and tells her that a ship is waiting to take her to the Vale. Thinking this is Jaime’s/Brienne’s plan Sansa goes with him but is surprised to find Littlefinger on board the Ship.

    Afterwards Jaime gives Brienne the quest to find Sansa as in the book.

  205. Sisler
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    I feel as of everyone forgets that Bran and Co. have to meet up with Sam and Gilly. Who then tell them how to go beyond the wall. So probably no Coldhands, and instead we will have that.

  206. Mormegil
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Sisler,

    That will be fairly early on in the episode since (as seen in the Preview) Sam also has to get back to Castle Black.

    Pretty sure the last we see of Bran and Co will be them emerging from under the Wall and seeing Coldhands waiting for them in the forest.

  207. Darquemode
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    I was so hoping they would leave out the Robb/ GW combo platter….. Ugh!

  208. imping aint easy
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    If pause it and look closely at the shot of the Hound fighting you can see what looks like a Frey banner on the right of the screen……. “Is there any gold in the village?”

  209. JamesL
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    About the leaked photos why did they make the wolf head so damn big. It makes it look almost silly, like some kind of mascot. The wolves have never been that big on the show.

  210. idkk
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    It also looks like Edmure is being forced to lead RobbWind’s horse :(

  211. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t read every comment here so let me know if anyone has brought this up in this discussion:

    Is it possible that D&D would make Sansa an active participant in the PW? Instead of a pawn? Now, while it is very unlikely season 3 will end with the PW, I could see them making Sansa, at the last, appear to have been the person who did the poisoning. It would be one of those things TV audiences would eat up.

  212. JamesL
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:36 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I don’t like it either. TV and books are different mediums and the visual medium is a lot more powerful. It is only mentioned in the books, it a lot different to show something like that on screen. The audience is already upset about them killing Starks and now they are going to show him mutilated with his wolfs head sewn on being paraded around, pretty much saying “fuck you” to the audience. What makes it even worse is that are not killing Joffrey this season so they don’t even give the audience any vengeance.

  213. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I think as a production still it can either horrify you or look silly. I am sure when its more than 1 frame in full motion with the poignancy and horror seeping into the moment it will be quite effective. As for the size, look back at the the season 2 premiere.

  214. JamesL
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I know the wolves are big on the show but I don’t remember them ever being that big. It looks like the size of a bears head.

  215. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    I think they actually scaled it down a tad. GW’s head should be a bit bigger.

  216. Darquemode
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I was thinking the same thing…

  217. Darquemode
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    In some ways I’m not sure the audience can feel more anger or pain… I hope I is not the final straw for many people, but there may be a few…

    Agreed on the visual medium.
    It plays better in my mind than on screen.

    A small part of me is glad they added it I guess. It is such a striking memory from the books… I just dread witnessing it.

    idkk,

    That would be an extra insult!

  218. LadyStone
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    idkk:
    Darquemode,

    It also looks like Edmure is being forced to lead RobbWind’s horse :(

    Ugh, please don’t let that be true :(
    Saw the photo of “RobbWind” earlier and I just hope that it’s a very brief scene.

    I didn’t think the wolf head looked overly large, but then I didn’t look too closely or for too long at the photo, lol. I do think the size of Grey Wind and the other wolves has been somewhat inconsistent in the show; to me he looked smaller last episode than the last time we saw him.

  219. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    As horrifying as it is, I can see why they included it. A lot of criticism from non-reader fans with GoT was that the RW was designed as shock value on both Martin and D&D’s whim. Robbwind as the final punch in the gut that they can deliver to the audience. In some cases we will lose audience members because of it. As JamesL says it can be interpreted as a big F-U to the traumatized unsullied. To me the visual presentation of RobbWind preceded by what appears to be the destruction of the Stark loyalists (re: the ep 10 preview) will hit home that yes this is utterly awful and horrific yet the angry viewer will see that the story is carrying through with the aftermath of this event, that is is part of the story and grounded into the narrative to come not just a “hey here’s a bloodbath” to shake the viewer to the core.I think a lot of us are worried that D & D may be guilty of a great hubris according to the historical reception of this kind of material on television, but in fact they are carrying out Martin’s vision, ie the narrative of A Song of Ice and Fire by going to this extra, humiliating mile. Some will be too offended and may not come back but others I think will understand that this had to be done and will grudgingly admire the show for it.

    Hell, even Elio won’t knock D & D for this. Although he will undoubtedly lament that Robbwind is not seated…because this will unravel a gazillion narrative threads.

  220. Bard
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    I think it could get even worse: Arya might be watching this…

  221. mariamb18
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    LadyStone,

    I, too, hope that its a very brief scene. And, please, no to Edmure leading the horse. Its all so disturbing. I think it may push some of the Unsullied over the edge.

    Any speculation on when we will see The Blackfish again? This episode or early next season?

  222. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    If book readers aren’t complaining about something missing from the books, then they’re worrying on behalf of the Unsullied. I’ve seen readers worry on behalf of them since season 1, and the predictions of viewers dropping out have fallen flat. I think the show’s proven time and again that the Unsullied can look after themselves, and they’ve managed to carry the show to greater heights of popularity, even through all the gruesome beheadings and baby stabbings (and the book has far more vivid descriptions of worse atrocities. Gregor raping Elia with Aegon’s brains on his hands is one.) I know plenty of show-only viewers who are absolutely not as frantic and distressed about the show’s violence as book readers portray or imagine them to be.

    As for Grey Wind’s size, look at him in the season 2 premiere.

    Hell, even Elio won’t knock D & D for this. Although he will undoubtedly lament that Robbwind is not seated…because this will unravel a gazillion narrative threads.

    He’ll complain. This will probably be the one time he allows himself to recognise the difference in medium. Damned if D&D do, damned if they don’t.

  223. NoOne
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18,

    The briefest of scenes!, they are going full blast on the shock value with that, the scene is hard to defend since its a third hand account in the books, but I hope they make it properly.

  224. Benjamin Wakefield
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Wendel Manderly must have been semi-introduced for a reason right? I imagine he might get a line or two next episode and end up a prisoner of the Freys. That brings the story into line with the books, so Wyman Manderly has to play loyal to the Crown-Bolton-Frey coalition and pretend to execute Davos so that he can get his hostage son back. Then he can turn the tables at Winterfell and put little Lord/King Rickon back where he belongs.

    That RobbWind is the stuff of nightmares, just as it should be. The Red Wedding should be the most viscerally and emotionally horrifying event in television history. Edmure being forced to lead the corpse past the northern prisoners is about right. I wonder if the prop department used the head of the dead wolf from S01E01? It looks strangely familiar.

    Regarding the preview shots of Yara, I’m looking forward to seeing more Ironborn but I’m going to be disappointed if Balon dies offscreen as in the books. Not only is the actor excellent but the theory that Euron had him assassinated does so much for establishing Euron as an ambitious, devious and amoral contender.

  225. Terri
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    I don’t think Arya is watching…when she wakes up she looks like she’s surrounded by fires and realizes what’s happened is all. At least one can only hope :(

  226. Viola
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    I have one question, seeing as how RobbWind is confirmed.

    What are they going to do with Robb’s body? Yes, they’ll parade it. But what next? Someone on here had a brilliant idea about how the body should end back up in the North, and Theon forced to bow before his King. Horrifying, but it would be effective in Theon’s break down.

    Frankly, I don’t mind as long as they don’t burn the body. I’ve had a joke theory for a long time about how Roose Bolton will die by a zombie direwolf/man ripping his throat out.

  227. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    LIVE PREDICTIONS

    Byron and the other guy
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiu9L7pwhg8&feature=g-user-lsb

    Yeah, these guys are awesome. They seem to be onto the idea that the Lannisters will crumble in the coming episodes. They’re going to be in for a shock with Lady Stoneheart though!

    I’m not reading these leaks…want to remain unspoiled for at least the tv episode.

  228. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    JamesL,

    In some ways I’m not sure the audience can feel more anger or pain… I hope I is not the final straw for many people, but there may be a few…

    Pfft. If they can’t hack it after this, let them quit. They will be replaced. It is very rare to see an audience bail out on a show just because things get tough. It is actually when things resolve themselves on a positive note that audiences tend to quit because they received what they were there to see.

  229. sati
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Viola,

    I still don’t know what the hell happened to Robbwind as well as GW’d body and Robb’s head later and I’ve must have read tons of forum threads about that . I wonder what will happen in the show.

  230. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Well, hopefully the scene that was shot between Pycelle and Tywin will make it in, as well as the scene with Lysa and Littlefinger at the Eyrie. Especially the latter scene. If it isn’t in the finale, I’ll be a bit annoyed. Why? Because we were told that the length of the episodes this year would add up to an additional episode over the last season (which doesn’t look likely) in terms of the overall length of the season. Furthermore because budget and time was wasted on scenes that were scrapped. I understand that that’s just how it goes with film-making sometimes, but it’s still annoying.

    But, there have been several scenes moved around this season from the sound of things, so hopefully we’ll still see it. Because finding these scenes as “dragon eggs” on the Blu-Ray is no real consolation. I’d have kept two of the scenes they cut last year (the scene between Loras & Margaery, and also the scene between Littlefinger & Varys) in the show, to be honest. The one with Irri & Doreah was an abomination, and the scene with Sansa, The Hound, and Tyrion just seemed superfluous and random.

  231. GeekFurious
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    If the next episode is 70 minutes, then season 3 will end up being about 30 minutes longer than season 2. Which is about 20 minutes short of an average episode length. Therefor we did get extra time but not a full episode’s worth.

  232. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    All running times taken from HBO Go, and include the opening title sequence and the closing credits.

    Season 1:

    Episode 1: 62 minutes
    Episode 2: 56 minutes
    Episode 3: 58 minutes
    Episode 4: 56 minutes
    Episode 5: 55 minutes
    Episode 6: 53 minutes
    Episode 7: 58 minutes
    Episode 8: 59 minutes
    Episode 9: 57 minutes
    Episode 10: 53 minutes

    Approximate running time: 9 hours, 27 minutes

    Season 2:

    Episode 1: 53 minutes
    Episode 2: 54 minutes
    Episode 3: 53 minutes
    Episode 4: 51 minutes
    Episode 5: 55 minutes
    Episode 6: 54 minutes
    Episode 7: 56 minutes
    Episode 8: 54 minutes
    Episode 9: 55 minutes
    Episode 10: 64 minutes

    Approximate running time: 9 hours, 9 minutes

    Season 3:

    Episode 1: 55 minutes
    Episode 2: 58 minutes
    Episode 3: 53 minutes
    Episode 4: 54 minutes
    Episode 5: 58 minutes
    Episode 6: 54 minutes
    Episode 7: 58 minutes
    Episode 8: 57 minutes
    Episode 9: 51 minutes
    Episode 10:

    Approximate running time (through nine episodes): 8 hours, 18 minutes

    By comparison, season one had been 8 hours, 34 minutes through nine episodes, and season two has been 8 hours, 5 minutes.

  233. mariamb18
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Benjamin Wakefield:
    Wendel Manderly must have been semi-introduced for a reason right? I imagine he might get a line or two next episode and end up a prisoner of the Freys. That brings the story into line with the books, so Wyman Manderly has to play loyal to the Crown-Bolton-Frey coalition and pretend to execute Davos so that he can get his hostage son back. Then he can turn the tables at Winterfell and put little Lord/King Rickon back where he belongs.

    I like this. It is slightly different from the books but it actually simplies the story line in a good way. In the books, Wendell was killed at the RW and Wyllis was taken captive by the Lannister forces at the Ruby Ford. If Wendell is now a captive at the Twins – rather than dead – that still leaves Wyman with the proper motivation.

    It is curious that Wendell was cast and barely seen so far.

  234. Shan
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Listen 2 Ghost!:
    All I want in episode 10 is the Hound and Arya messing up some Frey/Lannister/Bolton scumbags. It doesn’t even have to be the famous inn scene were Arya gutted the Tickler (probably Polliver in the show) As a matter-of-fact I hope it isn’t that and we get two or more scenes of Arya/Hound badassery!

    The inn scene would be great, though. That’s the scene where she gets Needle back! It would really be throwing Stark supporters a bone. Plus, it sets up the timing for her to head to Braavos at the end of the season.

  235. The Red Viper
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Hand of Jaime,

    I think the show established thar Bran is the only Stark that has wolf dreams. If i’m wrong we should have seen Jons wolf dream about the Skilring Pass

  236. The Red Viper
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    hey where is this website???

  237. Hi-Fi
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the duration of this season’s episodes, I have the feeling that a bunch of scenes got cut in the editing room: Pycelle/Twyin, Lysa (who isn’t in the “previously” for episode 10), and probably something with Manderly, who was announced as being cast but never got a line or even a mention by name in the show. He’s right there at Catelyn’s table in the Red Wedding.

    Kind of annoying, but they probably had their reasons to cut them out.

  238. The Red Viper
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Krh240,

    Next season boring? Oberyn vs the Mountain, Attack at castle black?, the Battle of the Wall, shall i keep going?

  239. The Queen's Hand
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    If people don’t realize who boy is by now, odds are they won’t understand even once it is explained -_- Hopefully we get The death of King #2 since Asha is back

  240. The Queen's Hand
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    The Red Viper: Krh240, Next season boring? Oberyn vs the Mountain, Attack at castle black?, the Battle of the Wall, shall i keep going?

    And the purple wedding, going to assume the guy calling it “boring” hasn’t read the books

  241. The Red Viper
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Someon please help me finde the leaked photos of Robb and Greywind “Together” being paraded in a horse by Edmure

  242. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    The Red Viper,

    Check out the show’s IMDB message boards. It’s one of the hot topics.

  243. babar
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    There was also a line said by Mance Rayder in one of the production video that didn’t make the cut: “When the long night comes, north of the Wall becomes the kingdom of the dead.”

  244. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    The Red Viper,

    I don’t want to post it on here. Just go to imdb and look for the thread titled ‘[Episode 10 Spoiler] Robb/Greywind’.

  245. Viola
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    It’s one thing I’ve always been curious about. In fact, what happens to the RobbWind hybrid? It’s only mentioned as being created, not what’s done with it. I’ve assumed it would just be left as a ‘feast for crows.’ But I don’t know. We’ll have to see.

  246. maia
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    i’m part sullied and part unsullied, meaning I’ve read all the books but not so keen about reading dany’s chapters so I’m gonna be pissed if they end this season with “The slaves of Yunkai chanting Mhysa after Dany freed them.” . I’d really like to see LS being ressurected as an ending for S3.

  247. coronaking
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    idkk:
    Darquemode, It also looks like Edmure is being forced to lead RobbWind’s horse :(

    I really don’t think so. If you refer to the leaked picture: The person leading the horse seems to wear one of these Frey hats and has a similar jacket to the Frey in the background. I don’t think they would show Edmure in Frey clothes.

  248. JasonLobo
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    why why why??? if they can show Robbwind now why culdn’t they show it in house of the undying ??????

  249. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    JasonLobo,

    Is that a real question? Some people have no common sense…

  250. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    JasonLobo:
    why why why??? if they can show Robbwind now why culdn’t they show it in house of the undying ??????

    Because time doesn’t run backwards?

  251. Chickenduck
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    JasonLobo:
    why why why??? if they can show Robbwind now why culdn’t they show it in house of the undying ??????

    Because they didn’t want to give it away early (easier to spoil yourself visually than in the book).

  252. sati
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Viola,

    Yeah, it’s so annoying how it was never addressed.Where is Robb’s head? What happened to his remains? Poor guy :/

  253. Darquemode
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Don’t get me wrong…
    I lean towards including MORE details from the book than less details honestly. Even, maybe especially, the more visceral scenes.

    I was never as affected by the RW itself as many people were, but visualizing RobbWind did affect me. I’m not one that feels more for animals than humans…. Maybe the figurative and literal combinationof Robb the Stark wolf and the Grey Wind the Direwolf being paraded as a taxidermy trophy crossed some heretofore unknown line in me? XD

    I was not sure it would be included and seeing the pic just made me dread seeing the scene. Part of me is glad they included it though. It is such a visually striking and visceral scene that should affect viewers as much or more than readers and deserved to be in the series…

  254. House Clegane
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    You know your addicted to Game of Thrones when your singing rains of castamere while taking a dump… XD

  255. Ned's Head
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Kind of surprised they did Robbwind after not showing the full spectrum of visions in the House of the Undying. Its kind of a pointless exploitation without the visions preceding that moment.

  256. sati
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head:
    Kind of surprised they did Robbwind after not showing the full spectrum of visions in the House of the Undying. Its kind of a pointless exploitation without the visions preceding that moment.

    If anything they made the right call – showing it then would spoil the shock. It’ not really exploitation – it shows how disgusting The Freys are.

  257. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head,

    Showing it in the House of the Undying would have been pointless. It had no influence on Dany’s life/journey. Plus, it would have completely spoiled Robb’s death.

  258. MRR
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Where are all the people on IMDB calling the spoiler a fake/getting mad at people for posting a spoiler this time around? Seems like this is getting a much warmer reception than jkrishan, who initially only posted to say he enjoyed episode 9.

  259. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a Nicolaj Coster-Waldau interview where he confirms that he returns to King’s Landing in the finale:
    http://www.etonline.com/tv/134903_Nikolaj_Coster_Waldau_Interview_Game_of_Thrones_Season_Three_Finale/index.html

  260. Shan
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18: Good suggestions. Maybe it can work. I like the idea of more scenes between Jaime and Tyrion. It adds some depth to their relationship which will be highlighted when Jaime helps to facilitate Tyrion’s escape from KL. I also look forward to watching Nikolaj and Peter together.

    My personal hope is that Jaime might take over part of Ser Kevan’s role when Tyrion is on trial.It honestly never rang true to me that Jaime was just hiding out not letting Tyrion know that he was home while Tyrion was on trial for his life, even if Jaime wasn’t sure whether or not Tyrion was innocent. It just wasn’t a very Jaime-ish move. I’d have no problem seeing it rewritten.

    Plus, it would give the Cersei-Jaime-Tyrion triangle more time to play out onscreen. The really interesting thing about that storyline — and, especially, how it ended — is that these are two people who have pretty much always depended on Jaime unconditionally to help them, and now they’re on opposite sides and he has to choose which side he’s on. Getting Jaime some more scenes with Tyrion as well as Cersei while he’s still making up his mind would, I think, be really fun to watch. Then again, I always find twisted Lannister dynamics interesting, so maybe it’s just me.

  261. Turncloak
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    This would be amazing

  262. Atlas
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    I’ve listened to Mhysa probably 10 times now, and I had a thought. What if it isn’t for only one scene, but is a final montage? I remember watching The Wire, one of my favorite parts of each season was that last montage showing where everyone is in a few seconds of shot. This would allow any Stoneheart stuff, because I feel like there has to be dialogue with Beric and Thoros, what with this being the last of Beric. I’m wondering if they’re going to use what Arya said to them, about how they’ve become corrupt and don’t always do what they do for God or the people, but gold. Bringing back Cat could be Thoros attempting to redeem himself. This would also fit with the obvious Daenerys theme, maybe beginning with Dany’s slave walk, flashing to Tyrion, Jaime, and the Lannisters, maybe with a look of disgust on Tyrion’s face, then Arya and the Hound, to Bran going beyond the wall, Sansa, maybe Littlefinger with Lysa, theon and Ramsay, everyone else, and then finally going to some sort of resurrection. Littlefinger already introduced a montage during his chaos speech, so I’m hoping we get that for the end.

  263. Fiona
    Posted June 8, 2013 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    In the clips of the preview for ep. 10, did anyone else think the shots of Dany, Jorah, and the dragons look like much later in the books where her dragon kills a young child? Also, what do you guys think is the “ghost story” Bran will tell?

  264. Timmen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    If they simply showed a body with a wolf head, I guarantee nobody who didn’t read the books would think Robb was going to be killed and subsequently have his wolfs head sewn onto his body.

  265. Chickenduck
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Timmen:
    Chickenduck,

    If they simply showed a body with a wolf head, I guarantee nobody who didn’t read the books would think Robb was going to be killed and subsequently have his wolfs head sewn onto his body.

    The book prophecy wasn’t simply the wolf-headed man, it was a crowned wolf’s head (which really could only mean one person) on a man’s body, sitting in a room full of murdered and bloody corpses.

    It would be a pretty clear spoiler that Robb was doomed.

    I’m not saying that what they ended up doing was great, or even good… But I understand why they didn’t want to take chances on giving the whole thing away.

  266. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    from “bookmarkedtwice”

    If truth be told, I don’t really care who sits on the ugly iron throne. Make Joeffrey a wight and give him the damned chair again for all I care. All I need to know is what in seven bloody hells happened to Benjen Stark.

  267. Chickenduck
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    maia:
    from “bookmarkedtwice”

    All I need to know is what in seven bloody hells happened to Benjen Stark.

    I am fairly confident we will eventually find out (note: eventually might be a long time)…

    GRRM wouldn’t leave an obvious loose thread like that!

  268. A-Gone
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:19 am | Permalink
  269. el
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    Fiona,

    I think Bran will be telling one of the stories that Old Nan used to tell him about the Nightfort being haunted, and then they’ll start hearing noises coming from the bottom of the well and meet Sam and Gilly.

  270. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:09 am | Permalink

    Shan,

    I really love this idea.

  271. mariamb18
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Shan,

    Great idea. I love it because it gives us more Jaime – Cersei – Tyrion interaction.

  272. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I think we already know where Benjen is. He’s the hooded man in Winterfell that Theon sees in ADWD. There must always be a Stark in Winterfell

  273. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    Damn now I’m just excited about the prospects of Jaime playing Tyrion’s lawyer.
    Jaime: Ser lords and lady’s of kings landing, King Joffrey was not poisoned by wine as my sister would have you believe. Joffrey was poisoned by the pidgeon pie. Who would commit this vile act? Lady Sansa Ofcourse. Is it not a coincidence that Sansa disapears as soon as Joffrey died? Did she not have reason to commit this act to do her treatment by the king? I bring a witness to the stand, Qyborn, a Maester who bandaged my wounds and saved me from infectious death.
    Qyborn testifies that he has studied the wine and found no poison in it. He did find poison in the pie
    Cersei: Qyborn is a gifted man indeed, but make no mistake, he is no Maester. Qyborn where is your chain? That’s right, his maester’s chain was stripped by the Citadel. He has no more expertise than a common butcher. I call Pycelle, the grand Maester to testify.
    Pycelle state the wine was poised.

    Damn this could be the Westerosi version of “A few good men”

  274. Dark Star
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    The HBO schedule guide lists the upcoming episode as 63 minutes.

  275. Dark Star
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    The Red Viper: Someon please help me finde the leaked photos of Robb and Greywind “Together” being paraded in a horse by Edmure

    Just google robbwind images, it still comes up. HBO sent directives out to many sites to remove the link, which only proves to me that they are real.

  276. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    MRR,

    I really don’t think Mhysa scene will take 4 minutes (as long as entire track is). And I find the idea of someone avenging The Starks very uplifting.

    You don’t think the climax of Dany’s plotline for the season will take 4 minutes to show? Most scenes on the show are between 2 and a half and 4 minutes long, with a number of scenes going longer than that. It’s not a stretch in the least for a scene to be 4 minutes long. Especially considering the scene will likely include her procession into the city, some conversation with Jorah/Selmy/Grey Worm/Daario/Missandei beforehand, and a series of reactions from/interactions with people in the city. The scene could easily go on for 4 minutes.

    Also, whether you find it “uplifting” as opposed to just creepy (many would disagree), the fact remains that it’s the Daenerys/Essos musical theme.

    Kingslayer:
    MRR,

    Listen to that last 20 seconds of Mhysa. There is a sudden creepy/supernatural feeling to it and it definitely wouldn’t fit with Dany just freeing the slaves like the rest of the song does. It clearly points to some sort of reveal, and LS makes the most sense.

    From the -20 second mark to the -10 second mark, it’s definitely uplifting/triumphant. After that, it’s silence with a bell sound. Do you really think they would show the resurrection of Lady Stoneheart in a mere 10-20 seconds?

  277. Fiona
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    el:
    Fiona,

    I think Bran will be telling one of the stories that Old Nan used to tell him about the Nightfort being haunted, and then they’ll start hearing noises coming from the bottom of the well and meet Sam and Gilly.

    Ah, that makes sense. You’re probably right. I was hoping it would be a vision/dream that would reveal something important and maybe even be new for the Sullied.

  278. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh:
    If book readers aren’t complaining about something missing from the books, then they’re worrying on behalf of the Unsullied. I’ve seen readers worry on behalf of them since season 1, and the predictions of viewers dropping out have fallen flat. I think the show’s proven time and again that the Unsullied can look after themselves, and they’ve managed to carry the show to greater heights of popularity, even through all the gruesome beheadings and baby stabbings (and the book has far more vivid descriptions of worse atrocities. Gregor raping Elia with Aegon’s brains on his hands is one.) I know plenty of show-only viewers who are absolutely not as frantic and distressed about the show’s violence as book readers portray or imagine them to be.

    Good post. And to add to that, too many people seem to be worried about those poor short bus unsullied “not getting” this or that, when in actuality they seem to get the gist just fine. Like above somebody commented that nobody will remember who Nymeria was, when in actuality people have been wondering when she’ll show up again since she was run off (over at the TWOP boards they even wondered if that was Arya’s wolf getting shot by the Freys).

    Give people a little credit, they’re not idiots. And the ones who are often don’t seem to care about every little detail anyway, they’ll get what they’ll get, and the people who are really into the show will appreciate those details all the more for not being overly dumbed down.

  279. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Nancy:
    maia,

    This is a theme the show is going to have to change up Next season, viewers are going to expect a massive event in episode 9-Stannis saving the day probably/Tyrion’s confrontation with his father- and ANOTHER winning moment for Dany-rolls eyes-or something with her dragons in episode 10. I mean what are they going to do when she is no longer having winning moments, cannot control her dragons?I wish we would have been spared Robb/Grey Wind awfulness but I did not have a lot of hope for that.

    Just read your comment about Dany’s dragons and her “winning”…something I’ve wondered about as well for quite some time. Beginning in Yunkai (S4), I believe GoT could start focusing on how chaotic her dragons are becoming. In the books, it is really only passively referenced how her dragons start terrorizing the populace, which leads to two of them getting locked up (which I always thought diminished Dany’s storyline, rather than her trying to use/train them effectively…and maybe failing). I think GoT could up the dragon ante a bit and show the ramifications of reintroducing dragons into the world….a true chaotic storytelling element. I think Dany’s “winning” theme could be diminished a bit by exploring this aspect more.

    Too early for S4? Maybe. Like others, I am hoping for Dany to have a few more “un-winning” plot points in this next season.

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