Episode 30 – Mhysa – Open Chat
By Winter Is Coming on in Recap.

Cersei on bed

This is it, folks. The season finale is nearly upon us. Chat in here about what you are looking forward to seeing tonight and then give your instant reactions as it airs. We will have our recap up just as fast as I can type. As usual, you can find the episode details after the break.

Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: David Nutter
Runtime: 63 mins
Synopsis: Joffrey challenges Tywin. Bran tells a ghost story. In Dragonstone, mercy comes from strange quarters. Dany waits to see if she is a conqueror or a liberator.
Videos: Preview | Ep. 29 Recap


498 Comments

  1. gswelcome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait, should be another amazing ep even if won’t compare to the RW.

    Sad though, will have to wait another year for Season 4 to begin…

    and obligatory “Hodor” I suppose

  2. Shabutie
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    -shifty eyes- HODOR!
    Hoping for some Lady Stoneheart!

  3. Gatorfisch
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    A Nymeria sighting…

  4. Isabelle
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to the fallout from the Red Wedding–Team Dragonstone, King’s Landing (Joffrey vs Tywin, round II!), Sandor and Arya, potentially the lads up north. Can’t wait to see what Cersei has to say to Sansa in that scene from the trailers–commiseration over Joffrey? Rubbing it in? Telling her to carry on and do her duty?

    Also, can’t wait to see Dany become “Mhysa.” The song’s incredible!!!

  5. gosensgo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    ive never partook in the open chats prior to episodes
    is it spoiler filled?

  6. Sky Aero
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    GOODBYE SEASON 3

    WE WILL MISS YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    <3

    but now, a date with Lady Stoneheart!

  7. Sandsnake
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Predictions on the Yara stuff? If she is indeed on the Iron Islands for Balon’s funeral I will be paying close attention for any nods on what is to come next season. If there is even a hint of the Crows Eye I may actually jump out of my seat. If we see The Silence on the horizon I will be through the roof. I know people cant wait for Oberyn but for me the prospect of Euron Greyjoy making it to screen is just as exciting. Bring it on!

  8. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    gosensgo,

    Yes, but everyone who isn’t a troll blacks the spoilers out :)

  9. Ser Justin
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to hopefully seeing Coldhands and Robbwind. IT would be awesome to end the season on Coldhands or Lady Stoneheart.

  10. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    gosensgo,

    People should generally be using spoiler tags, but oftentimes book readers think they can post something cheeky and not say exactly what happens but still post vague details that give things away, or at least focus unspoiled thoughts in a particular direction.

    So, basically, proceed with caution.

  11. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    PS: Yes my above post was a direct reference to Gatorfisch.

  12. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    What do people think the last scene will be? My money’s on UnCat.

  13. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Is the ghost story the rat cook or the Nightsking?
    So sad this the end. Send us off with some Lady Stoneheart please!
    Hopefully they get the carnage at the Twins and GreyRobbWind out of the way early. That’s going to be some depressing shit.

  14. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    Same here. I will surprised if it’s anything else than her opening her eyes.

  15. 3eyes
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to Tywin’s reaction when Jamie and Brienne arrive, hopefully Bran connecting with the Old Gods north of the Wall, Allisor Thorne finally making it to KL, and Dany closing out the episode with more badassery.

  16. Dee
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Bran tells a ghost story? I wonder if it’s going to be Rat Cook?

  17. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I think the Twins massacre will be in the opening :( Arya will probably see Robbwind :/

  18. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m watching Triassic Attack on t.v. What a mess. Emilia Clarke is doing a Native American chant. She really lucked out scoring a role on GoTso she doesn’t have to do crap like that anymore!

  19. 3eyes
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Gatorfisch,

    Yes, Nymeria!

  20. Winter's heart
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    I think another stark is gonna die. My guess is arya since she is at the Twins and it looks like sandor’s fighting someone in the preview.

  21. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Man I really hope they don’t waste something like 10 minutes on Bran telling a ghost story. This episode is going to attempt to fit in more storylines than ever before so I really don’t want precious time to be wasted on Bran sitting in the Nightfort talking history to the Reeds. They just need to get to Sam coming out of the well to get Bran past the wall asap so the time in the episode can be spread around elsewhere. Theres just so much to cover and I have a nagging feeling that this whole “Bran tells a ghost story” business is going to eat up a lot more time than it should do.

  22. gosensgo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    ugh – ill just avoid this thread I guess :(

    I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME ONE I HATE DIE! FOR ONCE

  23. mariamb18
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Can’t believe that we are already at the season finale; I hate this day! It will be a long wait to S4.

    Looking forward to Jaime’s unexpected arrival in KL, Bran meeting Sam, any scene between Stannis and Davos and, of course, LS. I could do without seeing the abomination that is RobbWind.

  24. Tori Targaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Another 10 months until GOT…….. I can’t believe it. And will be a couple of months before we even start seeing set pics :( I love GOT, I can’t wait to see the finale, but once the credits roll, I’ll be pissed off lol

    All in all, season 3 was great. My favourite so far.

  25. arolig
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:14 pm | Permalink


    Balons Funeral
    Littlefingers wedding, maybe also the death of his wife
    Brienne and Loras goaing at it
    Bran meets Sam
    Hodor, saying Hodor
    Cooldhands

    Ending will surely be Cat, or else the will loose viewers I think.

  26. el
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe the season is already at an end. I’m going to be Hodering until 2014

  27. ayamo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Great, great season. It had some “longer moments”, but it was really quite something. The Red Wedding shook me to the bones, I knew that it was coming, but knowing about it and seeing it are two very(!) different things.

    I hope that this image of RobbWind circling around the internet is a fake, I couldn’t bear it. As for Lady Stoneheart, she’ll either be in the very last scene of the season, or at the beginning of the next season. I’d SO wish for Joffrey’s own wedding, but alas … they gotta spare something for Season 4.

    A year without GoT … horrible.

  28. Benjamin Wakefield
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Judging from the previews and stories in need of a conclusion, this episode is going to briefly touch on A LOT of characters. Here are my predictions:

    1. Dany receives Yunkai’s surrender, anointed ‘Mhysa’ by the freedmen,


    2. Nights Watch regroup and prepare to be besieged


    3. Wildlings regroup and prepare to besiege


    4. Bran&Co reach the Nightfort, tell ghost stories, meet Sam and Gilly, head their separate ways


    5. Yara sails home with Theon’s skin and news of Balon’s death, realising she is nown the rightful queen of the Iron Islands


    6. Ramsay reveals his identity and renames Theon Reek


    7. Joffrey berates Tywin for leaving him out of the Stark’s defeat, Tyrion is shocked and has to tell Sansa. Jamie turns up and Brienne is thrown in jail. Tyrells say something or other.


    8. Stannis, on hearing about the RW, gives Melisandre the green light to sacrifice Gendry, but Davos saves him


    9. Freys and Boltons ambush the Northern army, take hostages, despoil Robb and Cat’s bodies, reveal their rewards from Tywin (lands, titles, a legitimised bastard). Arya and the hound fight their way to safety


    10. BWB find and resurrect Cat

    That’s ten locations, and King’s Landing alone has about eight important characters to check in with!

  29. Suzaku
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Just 6 hours away from being 10 months away from new Game of Thrones… :’(

    A bunch of set photos have actually already been leaked a few days ago, if anyone didn’t know. Looks like the website that leaked them already pulled their entire GoT gallery down, though.

  30. Suzaku
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku,
    I’ll go ahead and describe what they showed:

    1. Jaime in King’s Landing.
    2. Robb’s body with Grey Wind’s head sewn on, tied to a horse and being paraded around by Freys.
    3. Davos and Gendry getting into a small boat.
    4. The Hound on horseback with an unconcious Arya, holding a Frey banner.
    5. Dany walking through a street with slaves crowding around and touching her.

  31. squid
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    3eyes,


    they won’t reach king’s landing until around 3 episodes, maybe 4 into the next season

  32. Greg
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    STUFF I’M LOOKING FORWARD TO:

    -RW aftermath and Robbwind and Cat being thrown into the river and hopefully the Blackfish escaping and maybe even Edmure discovering it all… ow this is going to hurt
    -Bran/Samwell meeting. I think the ghost story Bran tells will be “the thing that came in the night” and then Sam will come. Also hopefully Coldhands.
    -MHYSA! one of my favorite scenes in the third book, I am confident that it will be epic.
    -Ramsay reveal and Theon learning his name…
    -Yara is back!
    -Jon returning to the Wall?
    -I’m betting the final scene will either be Mhysa or Lady Stoneheart

  33. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    The trailer shows Ygritte aiming her bow at someone. Do you think we will get a less-than-sweet resolution to hers and Jon’s storyline?

  34. Nick Larter
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    I really hope they show the Black Gate like it was in the book- as I recall it was like this giant weirwood face that opened its mouth to let you through when you said the password

    Edmure’s reaction to the RW will be interesting too as will the reaction to him still being alive from viewers – quite a lot of non book readers seem to have just assumed that he will have been killed offscreen during the massacre

  35. We do not Hodor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    The scene where Yunkai opens its gate and the freed slaves come pouring out shouting Mhysa to Dany gives me chills. Such an amazing moment. Really looking foward to that after the events that went down during the wedding.

    Another favorite scene of mine is the one of Arya and the Hound in the inn where she reunites with needle. I am curious when and how that scene will happen as things in the show have changed the outcome for that.

  36. fleebottomer
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I thought we were going to see Joffrey’s wedding/death this episode, but judging from the plot summery I guess not.

  37. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Well I think we will wee RobbWind whether we like it or not, as a woman seems to recall there being some justification by the Freys that Robb was turning into a wolf during the reception at some scuffle or other and that’s why they had to kill him so they did that to show the small folk? Or is a woman misconstruing the book content? It is possible.

    Even so, we’ve seen in the preview footage that Arya will have to face viewing the total destruction of the Northern army by the Frey/Bolton bunch and that will be sad indeed as her hopes for returning to Winterfell will be dashed. The Hound will have to change his strategy so there will surely be an interesting interaction between them to view, and perhaps a Nymeria dream with UnCat emerging from the stream and being found/rescusitated by Thoros? This woman has predicted her opening her eyes would be a great season-ender for many months, so we’ll see if that dream comes true. There will definitely be some mysteries left for us to ponder during the off-season, and it looks like we will get a catch-up glimpse of Yara, Theon, Stannis, Tyrion and the Kings Landing bunch so it will be a rather packed episode.

    Bran and posse will certainly make some headway on their journey to the 3-eyed crow and some legend/warg details revealed perhaps? Seems we saw Pyp with Sam in the preview so Sam must make it back to the Wall, perhaps Jon will too, or maybe not yet. Sometimes it’s hard to estimate the geographical spaces and how long it might take somebody on horseback or on foot to make it from one place to another, so we will just have to wait a few more hours.

    Game of Thrones made television history this year, with increased interest in audience, GoT memes spreading into pop culture, and many people talking about it that had never heard of it before. Increased audience and book sales will probably follow.

    BRAVO to D&D for pulling off a nearly impossible feat of bringing this complex world to life and capturing the imagination of the world. Bravo to GRRM for creating this world and finally finding the right team to adapt it for HBO. A classic has now been created, now George, PLEASE FINISH WRITING THE BOOKS so we will eventually see the conclusion to this epic story!

    A woman is counting the minutes until the show tonight, remember last year’s was Sam hiding behind a rock while the Others/walkers attacked the Fist of the First Men. How they will top that, it remains to be seen.

  38. Dowaye
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    I hope, we will see Balon Grayjoy maybe :) we didn’t see him some time

  39. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait to hear the “Mhysa” music in this episode

  40. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Benjamin Wakefield,

    This will be a hectic episode even with 63 minutes to play out on. From the trailers, it’s clear that we will visit all of those locations, and easy math tells us that we’ll see about 6 minutes of each of them (some will of course get more, others less). I hope it won’t feel like their rushing through things.

    In the trailer, there was also a scene that looked like the Hound fighting by a small campfire, where it looked he took a spear or arrow to the chest. Don’t know what that’s all about, but it should mean we’ll see plenty of Arya this episode.

  41. fleebottomer
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    Yeah, sorry. I just realized that myself. First time commenting here – not used to it. Apologies.

  42. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Lord Snark:
    The trailer shows Ygritte aiming her bow at someone. Do you think we will get a less-than-sweet resolution to hers and Jon’s storyline?

    I’m terrified of how they will handle this scene. Hopefully they stay true to the books and Ygritte doesn’t join Jon Snow at the wall or something stupid like that. My guess is Ygritte will shoot Jon Snow in the leg before he goes to the Wall

  43. YOJET
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    First let us hope for more running time or else I will die,cant survive another 10 months for season 4

  44. YOJET
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    ME TOO!
    If you know its lyrics then please share!!!!!!

  45. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    fleebottomer,

    Thanks for justifying my comment to an “unsullied” above.

    Nick Larter,

    I don’t think that will go like it did in the book at all. Sam’s discussion of the secret passage in last week’s episode suggests to me that they’ve made the decision to change how it works and postpone/cut the introduction of Coldhands.

    I hope we see Lady Stoneheart in the finale, because I think that would be a great “cliffhanger” surprise moment, but I’m not 100% convinced it will happen. I sortof think Dany’s scene might be the final one of the episode, but only time will tell.

  46. Ahmed Hassan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    can someone plz plz confirm to me that the Picture which is floating on Tumblr showing Greywind’s head on Robb’s body is real or not?

  47. Luap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    I hope to see Arya begin her journey to Bravos…she needs to clear her head and focus her anger

  48. JoshT
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Ahmed Hassan,

    It’s 100% real, the pic is everywhere

  49. OhManymous
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    If I don’t see Lady Stoneheart I am going to be pissed!
    Coldhands would be a bonus, but I’m not expecting him until Season 4.

  50. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    YOJET:
    Turncloak,

    ME TOO!
    If you know its lyrics then please share!!!!!!

    I expect the chanting in the music is in High Valyrian.

  51. OhManymous
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    JoshT,

    Holy F where do I find that pic?

    Nvm FOUND IT

  52. Alex
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping we’ll see Ser Dontos, or someone of the like approaching Sansa with the opportunity to escape. Probably when she’s devastated after hearing about the RW.

  53. Rhaegar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    I need to know what happened to the Blackfish! maybe show how he kills a couple of freys and then gets to jump into the river

    Also…please show us coldhands! and of course Lady Stonehart for the last scene, that is pretty obvious.

    I think Yara will learn about her father’s death and hear that the Crow Eye has taken his seat, although I was actually hoping that the show reveals how Balon dies, does the Crow Eye actually killed him???

    Not sure what can be going on in KL, I was expecting a scene in which Joff frightens Margery in front of everyone and Lady Olenna stays staring with an evil look in her face…she’s coming for you Joffy!!

  54. 3eyes
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    squid,

    Fortunately, the spoiler in your reply was blocked, and I won’t give in to the temptation to un-block it. If I’ve learned anything from S3, it’s that avoiding spoilers, no matter how difficult, is worth the effort.

  55. fleebottomer
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    MRR, Again, sorry.
    As I said it’s my first time commenting here – I wrote and posted without looking over my comment. Will keep in mind for the future. Apologies.

  56. JamesL
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Ahmed Hassan,

    It’s real but hopfully it looks better in the show. It looks nothing like Grey Wind at all

  57. Ahmed Hassan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    im so sorry i posted after a long long time… i forgot … will be careful now

  58. WildSeed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    63 minutes of broadcast time……. just how are they planning on torturing us tonight (?)
    Don’t tell me Tony Soprano is invited to Kings Landing……..

  59. jasonw
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    What does Robb know about rocking a wolf on his noggin

  60. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Rhaegar,

    /facepalm

    Really? -_-

  61. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Please don’t post links to the pics, apparently the source was illegal like the previous 4chan leaks. Thanks.

  62. fleebottomer
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    But when do you think we’ll get to see Joffrey’s wedding, Tyrion killing Tywin and Sansa fleeing with Littlefinger? Was looking forward to seeing that little git dying, but I guess we’ll have to wait until season 4?

  63. NickTargaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    The Unsullied may finally take this to heart after tonight’s episode:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfJ_sGOnhpk

  64. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Thrones season goes by so fast!
    Sad that, but it commentary on just how brilliant the show I and how it leaves you wanting more.

    I’m most interested to see ho far the KL arc progresses and how they deal with Jaime being in KL before the wedding. Also interested to see UnCat and how the show makes he look, assuming she does make the finale of course.

    Onto casting season and then production rumor season.
    Huzzah!

  65. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    If Ours is the Fury is correct about the Lysa scene being cut, I hope they release it online or put it on the DVD extras.

  66. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Thanks for the moderation! (At least I assume that’s you spoiler-tagging things).

  67. kindly man
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Ot – Watching the red wedding with a unsullied right now. Really enjoying the reactions so far. Cant wait for the end…

    Hope to see a lot of dragon action tonight

  68. Jambo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Man, people runnin wild with the spoilers in here.

    Can’t believe how quick this season went by!

  69. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    If it’s not on the DVD, I’ll bet they’re saving it for next season.

    MRR,

    You’re welcome. :)

  70. Blackfish
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Damn Walder Frey, I’ve seen wet shit I liked more than him.
    Damn Roose Bolton, the traitor will pay!
    Damn the Lannisters, the North Remembers and winter will be coming for them.

    I hope after taking a piss on a tree, I will at least cut down some in-breed Freys and escape from the Twins.

    House Tully: Family. Duty. Honor.

  71. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    squid,

    Nope. They arrive in tonight’s episode. NCW confirmed it in an interview with ‘Entertainment Tonight’.

  72. JoshT
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    3eyes,

    Don’t worry, his spoilers were about something that happens later on in the books but will be pushed forward to the season finale

  73. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    fleebottomer,

    I think it will happen early on in season 4. GRRM is writing episode 2, so my money is on that being the Purple Wedding.

    There is A LOT of action in King’s Landing next season – PW, Sansa’s escape, Tyrion’s trial, Mountain vs Oberyn, Tyrion’s escape and murders… And certainly a lot going on between these larger events as well. This means that Joffrey will bite it within the first three episodes.

  74. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    I hope people aren’t to disappointed if a certain character isn’t included in the TV series…

    I’m looking forward to see if Twin mentions anything about giving a small council seat to Dorne… The Lannisters took care of the north, now they need to unify the south. Wonder is any House Martell characters will get some name drops from Tywin’s lips…

    Also looking forward to see is Sam meets our Raven flock friend…

    I’d like to see a Nymeria sighting but like I said I’m not sure if the TV series will have that character.

    All I know is this 63mins is going to fly by way to fast and seem more like 5mins…

  75. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    It looked fine to me. The hair was darker because it was wet from blood/rain. I think it is silly when fans complain about something like this. I’m happy that they included it at all.

  76. The Lightning Lord
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    I hope they find something for Roose to do next season. They’ve just established him as a major player but he doesn’t really do much in ASOS after the Red Wedding

  77. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m most interested in the KL and Dragonstone scenes. I don’t care about Dany and the slaves. Also, I hope we get a season 1 reunion at the Wall with Jon,Sam,Pyp,Grenn, and Maester Aemon. I’d love to have a Jaime/Tyrion scene. And the big question is whether Stoneheart appears tonight, or at all. If they show her body being dumped in the river then she will appear eventually, if not…

  78. 3eyes
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    JoshT,

    Thx. So ready for tonight!

  79. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    The dynamic between Roose and Ramsay is interesting. I wouldn’t hate seeing them explore it more in the show. I also can’t wait until I can stop spoiler tagging the name Ramsay.

  80. Moom
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    What am I going to do for the next ten months?? I am sullied and so I’ve read all the books…..but.still.I.cant.wait.til.next.season. Severe GoTH withdrawal. zomg.

  81. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord: I hope they find something for Roose to do next season. They’ve just established him as a major player but he doesn’t really do much in ASOS after the Red Wedding

    Wouldn’t it be possible to start off the Reek/Bolton storyline next season? I don’t think it interferes too much with other plotlines until Stannis lands in the North.

  82. Lex
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Jar Jar voice: “MHYSA GETTING EXCITED!”

    (sorry)

  83. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m very curious about the Yara scene. I hope we get a mention of Euron. I’m 99,99% sure that Balon’s death is gonna happen off screen.

    An epic way to end Bran plot is: CH (a man with a hood, like Michonne cameo in SF of Season 2 from TWD) waiting for him after the gate of Nightfort

    REEK!

    I hope we see Blackfish, LF/Lysa and Edmure to

  84. GeekFurious
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    After tonight, 10 months of depression as I wait for 10 more episodes.

  85. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    About Ramsay/Roose/Theon plot for S4, I’m expecting a haunt for Bran and Rickon (actually only Rickon) for at least 5 episodes. It is a opportunity to show Rickon and Osha that remain off screen since book 2, and to develop Reek arc.

  86. Hounded
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    I think they could have him departing tge Twins with the Frey army, heading north early next season. Then he won’t be around for a few eps until he arrives at the Dreadfort. Then there could be conversations between him and Ramsay (amazing dynamic) then he announces his plan to marry Ramsay to fake Arya.

  87. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Balon’s death will happen off screen and they find his body on screen?

  88. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    It will be interesting to see if they skip the negotiation for Moat Cailin (sorry forgot how to spell it) and focus just on the occupation of Winterfell and the “Arya” marriage. Also who will be fake Arya? I’m relieved Talisa and Roz are off the table as neither could pass for Arya.

  89. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Hey at least we will be getting casting news and things HBO release to us. To be honest sometimes the speculation of the next seasons development is just as fun as the season itself. Problem is these big news type events happen so few and far between the 10month waiting period.

    Sundays nights will definitely suck now… Until football season starts.

  90. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    This is so entirely my favorite season of the show to date. I don’t think the episode will match last week’s but I’m often wrong, so we will see. I think I’m looking forward to Bran and Dany’s scenes most tonight.

  91. Benjamin Wakefield
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Regarding what Roose, Ramsay and Theon do next season, I’d like to see the Lady Hornwood story moved to set up the Maderlys and confirm what a crazy bastard Ramsay is.

  92. A Man Grown
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I always thought a big part of the reason that Theon is offscreen in book 3, and that Roose lays low after the Red Wedding, is because Roose bides his time waiting for the right opportunity.

    Once Tywin is dead, and the Greyjoy grip on the Neck has loosened, there’s very little to stop Bolton from conquering the North. Theon is a useful chess piece that the Boltons hold in reserve.

  93. Lyanna_Targaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t have access to HBO for 3 days, I am counting on you guys fill me in! I need to know ALL THE THINGS.

  94. Rhaegar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Great idea! It would probably be a fun way of keeping track of those characters. Also I’m expecting that the fake Arya introduction to ramsay will happen at the end of S4 finale, leaving the Winterfell stuff for season 3

    Besides that, for all of those that are complaining about spoilers, don’t get into blogs that specifically talk about what’s going to happen next in Game of Thrones if you mind it so much

  95. Dragolf
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Hoping for Stoneheart like you wouldn’t believe! And the fallout from the Red Wedding, naturally. PURPLE WEDDING?!?! I know I know, doubtful, but they’ve switched things around before.

  96. Blackfish
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    A little humor for a tragedy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI7Ll1utIjs

  97. Sir Duncan Selmy
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Shabutie,

    not gonna happen…. sorry…. wouldnt make sence….

  98. Stefanos Vlahakos
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    I thought the last episode ld be like 70 mins , where is that extra time they had said that season 3 ld have , compare to season 2 . i didnt see any big difference between season 2 and 3 episodes in duration

  99. WompWomp
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Spryte,

    Which is why you would make a poor moderator. You lack the requisite coolness.

    Ready for a stirring finale! Hope all of us are in for a few surprises. I found Dany’s ending to be underwhelming in S2, but this year’s conclusion is looking a lot brighter than that bit of iffiness.

  100. Red Hound
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    It seems that all my enthusiasm for the episode is related to a special someone, the one they call Lady Stoneheart.

  101. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Let’s skip the name-calling, regardless of whether or not someone accidentally posts spoilers.

    Rhaegar: Besides that, for all of those that are complaining about spoilers, don’t get into blogs that specifically talk about what’s going to happen next in Game of Thrones if you mind it so much

    Nevertheless, it is expected that people in this post thread will use spoiler code before the episode airs. If you’re not certain that the code has worked properly, use the preview button to the right of the text box.

  102. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    arolig,

    Nah, Lysa isn’t gonna fly until Sansa makes her way to the Eyrie, otherwise she won’t have a trigger for a jealousy fit, and we wont get ‘Only Cat’

  103. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    One usurper down two to go. I cant wait to see what superbatural type event happens at the end i have my guesses. I hope they make the term “the late walder frey” a little more literel. The north will never forget.

  104. Queensmoot
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    I can’t wait for only Cat. One of my favorite chapters in the series. They must include snow Winterfell too, to really seal the creepiness of pedofinger. Dammit, I’m getting myself excited about season 4 already. The next ten months are going to be so hard!

  105. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Stefanos Vlahakos,

    D&D need to ask for HBO to grant them 90min season premiere and finale slots. That way they have a larger launching and landing pad to fit all the character storylines into without having that “rushed” feeling many of the viewers feel when an episode has many character storylines involved.

    I really think that would make a huge difference.

  106. gosensgo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    So MRR – Although i said I was going to leave, I trusted that people would spoiler tag – although I didn’t read much I was scrolling down and just may have been spoilt by the fleetbottom guy earlier. :( dam..

    anyways, unsullied, don’t come here. Stick to the posts where sullied are forbidden

  107. Maester Victor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    1. Lady Stoneheart, 2. Nymeria, 3. Mhysa, 4. Nightfort/Coldhands, 5. Iron Islands

  108. Mike Chair
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Red Wedding Re-Watch Randomness

    Three years and no show has a better opening than HBO’s Game of Thrones.

    There’s that Bolton sigil again.

    Frey’s daughters/granddaughters could have wonderful personalities. Yeah, right.

    Dany’s in denim again. I like denim on women. BTW, “denim” is from the French “de Nîmes” — “Nîmes” being a region in southern France dating back to the Roman Empire.

    “Arya and The Hound” can be a GoT spin-off. Ten twenty-five minute episodes from July to August to lessen the withdrawals.

    The next time I hear thunder I’m chanting “Hodor!” I invite the rest of you to do likewise.

    A lot’s been made of this “TV drama vs. book drama” this past week. The theory being that when you read it you can read it fast, but when you watch it you’re stuck with real time and that intensifies the drama. There’s truth in that. For me, in this episode it began with the Jon scene.

    Dude, if any bird ever does that to me I’m going totally Ozzy on the thing.

    Though I often sport the Bruins sigil, I’m really from a city north of Boston. My wife, however, is from Boston proper. With that understanding, if I ever tried to cloak my wife to bring her under my protection she’d kick me in the balls.

    Rickon and Osha can be recurring characters in “Arya and The Hound”.

    As hard as I try, as warped as my sense of humor is, I can’t find anything funny about this wedding. “The sword needs a sheath” isn’t even funny.

    It’s dark. That’s good. That’s bad. It’s good that it’s bad. That’s how I read it. I read (and watched) this through Arya’s eyes. It may have been a Cat chapter, but it’s Arya outside that really sold it …

  109. Hounded
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Yeah good point. I really want to see more of him though! Michael Mcelhatton is a fantastic actor.

  110. Icy Fingers
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s a tiny little thing and it’ll probably not be until next season, but I really want to see Sansa’s hairnet that she wears to Joffrey’s wedding. Even if it’s just her being given it somehow

  111. MRR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    gosensgo,

    Hey, sorry, at least I tried to warn ya. :(

    Rhaegar,

    Or instead of blaming other people for your mistakes you could take some time to read WiC’s spoiler policy. This website attempts to provide a relatively safe space for non-readers to share in the excitement of the show, and I think that’s something worth protecting.

  112. armsbendback
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Besides the production time/cost involved, does HBO have a history with any of their shows as far as 90 minute time slots for premieres/finales? I know the Wire didn’t, but not as familiar with Sopranos, 6 Feet Under, Boardwalk Empire, etc.

    Do totally agree with the idea that 90 minute bookends could really allow them to set up and conclude each season even better than they already do and that just one full extra hour could add so much room to breathe for the story, characters, plot development, etc.

  113. coronaking
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Three hours!

    It’s midnight here. I want to watch it live (as the previous weeks) but I don’t know what to do until the episode aires. Can’t wait!

  114. Spryte
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    But not the balls to put people in their place. Don’t worry my friend, I wasn’t lobbying for a position. The moderators here do a fine job.

    gosensgo:
    MRR,

    although I didn’t read much I was scrolling down and just may have been spoilt by the fleetbottom guy earlier. :(

    That really sucks, I’m sorry. Hope you’ll still stick around. The majority of the people here are generally very considerate and love Unsullied opinions

  115. Miguel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Shabutie,

    Not this season, maybe season 5

  116. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    They may well do so, but beyond the fact that any additional running time for Game of Thrones is good news, I don’t know how necessary it is. I didn’t have much of an issue with some characters being (re-)introduced in the second episode instead of the premiere. I think it’s more helpful for the writers to take the view that even if we have to wait a week between episodes during their initial airing, that isn’t the way the show will be viewed or remembered down the line, so it’s in their best interest to do what’s best for the season as a whole.

    That said, I’d love a 90 minute premiere and finale for next season.

  117. Dudemanbrohella
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t read the books but I think Bran will be like the Professor Xavier of Westero’s…how badass would that be???

  118. Sara R
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    I really cannot think of anything else that they would show as the last scene of the season except for Lady Stoneheart. I hope I’m right. I’m really looking forward to that reveal.

  119. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    armsbendback,

    You’re right no other shows I know of allowed 90min time slots on season premieres or finales…

    However HBO is known for thinking outside the box and falling victim to the “norm” as far as TV shows go is something they have never done.

    That being said, falling victim to the “60min per episode time slot” norm is something I think HBO wouldn’t mind breaking.

    I have no doubt HBO would agree to it if D&D (the show runners) communicated to HBO executives the value such a decision could bring to the table, (multiple complex storylines being started and finished per season in a more fulfilling manner).

    As far as increased budget expense. I think D&D will get whatever they ask for, within reason, considering the success of the show. Also the more HBO invest in this project the more epic it becomes and the more awe inspired “word of mouth” type fan service it’ll get coupled with critical acclaim equaling huge return in investment.

    This is all just my opinion and the only opinions that matter are the show runners. I would think an extra 20-30 minutes per season premiere and finale would really help the writers give all the character storylines justice. I think if D&D wanted it and requested it from HBO it would be granted but it’s something D&D would have to want, not just the fan-base.

  120. gosensgo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    I appreciate it

  121. Kessell
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    are there still people out there that think the PW will be this season? just curious :P

  122. Timmen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    I’m worried that the show will degrade in quality and intrigue after the next season. AFFC / DWD just weren’t as good. And some of the best parts in DWD were Reek/Ramsay which may be already played out heavily through the show at this point. And if they combine the two stories as they will and should- won’t it become too stretched out like butter over too much bread (Bilbo). There was not a ton of depth to the Martell storyline in AFFC at all. The Ironborn may be the main attraction of the show at that point and I don’t think thats near the intrigue of anything thus far.

  123. Steven Swanson
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Stefanos Vlahakos,

    D&D need to ask for HBO to grant them 90min season premiere and finale slots.That way they have a larger launching and landing pad to fit all the character storylines into without having that “rushed” feeling many of the viewers feel when an episode has many character storylines involved.

    I really think that would make a huge difference.

    According to them this isn’t about HBO not allowing more episodes or airtime, it’s their ability to produce a quality show, and that anything over the roughly 10 hour season they’ve been doing would just be pushing it and quality would suffer.

  124. Eor!
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how they’re going to do the Jaime storyline.The only logical end this season is to arrive at KL, but in the book he doesn’t arrive until after Joffrey’s death and Tyrion’s imprisonment, not meeting up with his brother until he frees him. Wonder if they’ll have Jaimie away for the PW, cause I can’t see him just sitting back and letting his brother get arrested, or not testifying at his brother’s trial.

  125. Timmen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    I was going to mention Brienne because Loras would be pissed to see her, but then I remembered last season he dismissed the chance that she murdered Renly. He was like “I don’t believe it, it was Stannis.” So I doubt that confrontation will happen unless the show loses continuity.

  126. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    As great as 90 minute episodes would be I don’t know if it’s possible. From writing to production to post-production and promotion making this show is already an all year long job for D&D I believe they determined that 10 hour long episodes is all they can realistically accomplish. We can always hope though.

  127. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Beat me to it!

  128. nacho
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    today is my birthday. this better be good.

  129. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    The 90min premiere and finale episodes would also help them finish the show in the seven season outline they desire…

    So it may be more work for them upfront but it’ll save them a lot of work on the back end, maybe even making the whole saga doable in the seven year season they desire.

    But like I said the show runners know a lot more about what would work best for the show then me, just throwing out some “pros” of the 90min idea… I’m sure there are plenty of “cons” as well.

  130. Littlejanet
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    How can 63 min possibly be enough? I’m most perplexed about what will happen on Dragonstone this week. What I want to happen is for Davos to read to Stannis a letter from Jon at the wall, but I don’t think that can fit. hoping I’m wrong.

  131. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Littlejanet,

    Daavos better read the letter or else there will be no closure for that arc

  132. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    It would be hilarious if they just showed the Youtube videos of people screaming for the “previously on” segment.

  133. Stefanos Vlahakos
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson,

    Arthur:
    Stefanos Vlahakos,

    D&D need to ask for HBO to grant them 90min season premiere and finale slots.That way they have a larger launching and landing pad to fit all the character storylines into without having that “rushed” feeling many of the viewers feel when an episode has many character storylines involved.

    I really think that would make a huge difference.

    I just say that they have said that each episode in season 3 ld be a few mins longer than season 2 , so it ld be like 11 episodes in duration total.
    But i didnt see any difference in each episode length , thats why i was hoping for a 70min season finale. I didnt ask for 90 mins episodes !

  134. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    squid,

    Nope. They arrive in tonight’s episode. NCW confirmed it in an interview with ‘Entertainment Tonight’.

    Gah. I get that it’s true, but it seems kind of dumb. They’re going to have to do so much rewriting.

    Loras isn’t in the Kingsguard yet, so no “I am the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, you arrogant pup.”

    Joffrey isn’t dead yet, so no bloody church reunion sex. No “Where were you? You could have saved him!” from Cersei, either. That scene just broke my heart in the books but apparently no go.

    Two of my favorite scenes, poof. They’d better put something awesome in their place.

  135. Cadeyrn
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    I am in the conventional “Mhysa” chanting, then cliffhanger with Stoneheart opening her eyes. Super added bonus if the unCat lets out a scream full of blood and vengeance and it bubbles out of her neck… but they’re not that gross and it ?probably? healed. Too bad.

  136. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    armsbendback,

    The Wire had a couple of extended episodes. Though the average episode was a bit longer than Thrones (usually 58 or 59 minutes), the season 1-3 finales clocked in at 63-66 minutes. The season 4 finale was 80 minutes, and the series finale was 94 minutes. They also had a variable number of episodes per season, so it was a bit unusual for HBO’s shows. Deadwood stuck to consistent run times. The only extended episode that I can think of in the Sopranos was the season 4 finale, which checked in at 74 minutes, which was a considerable get as normal episodes were usually between 50 and 55.

    While I don’t mind how the seasons typically open and close, most critics seem to find them a bit scattered and rushed. I think this was most evidenced by the fact that enough people found episode 2 of this season to be the weakest one, feeling that it was partially just continuing the exposition work of the previous episode. I expect there will be some criticism about the amount of storylines in this episode v. the amount of time allotted to the ep., (I believe this complaint was lodged against last sesaon’s finale, yes?).

    This isn’t directed at you or anyone else, just some thoughts of my own: A 90 minute premiere (and finale) may go a long way towards helping this issue, but it still may be hard to justify to HBO. An extra hour of finished material would be expensive, and a considerable drain on work hours, as D&D have commented that there isn’t time for them to create any extra episodes per season. It’s probably better for them to say “we don’t have time to produce 11-12 hours of finished material” than “extra episodes”, as then people just say “fine, stay to 10 episodes but make each one 10 minutes longer” as if that will solve the problem. The end result is the same, regardless of how they divide up the finished product.

    The Wire was probably able to get away with this because (I expect, I do not know) it was cheaper to film and easier to assemble.

  137. armsbendback
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:55 pm | Permalink

    Steven Swanson: According to them this isn’t about HBO not allowing more episodes or airtime, it’s their ability to produce a quality show, and that anything over the roughly 10 hour season they’ve been doing would just be pushing it and quality would suffer.

    I’m thinking less in the way of more scenes/sets/effects and more about just extended, more fully realized versions of the scenes they would already intend to include in the premiere and finale. So it would be taxing on the writers to make sure the story was there(luckily, the source material is so good) but not on the gemma jackson, the set designers, the locationer scouters, the three sets of production units,etc.

    The extra minutes would allow all the threads and characters for the season to get really set up well and concluded well and avoid the rushed feel that some people felt on S2 Episode 1 and 10.

    That said, I have no complaints about how amazing of a job they do working with the source material and translating it to TV for us all to enjoy.

  138. eyal
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    I really hope we gonna see varys , lady Tyrell (both) and the whole cast .

    oh – and I hope to see Arya getting her mother out of the water.

  139. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    If it means more Jaime/Tyrion scenes and a Jaime/Oberyn scene(GASP!) I think I’ll be fine with it. Cersei can just ridicule him for being a cripple and he can still stick up for Tyrion when he is arrested. A scene I’d love to see the show add is Jaime looking around the throne room when Tyrion demands a trial by combat and deciding to step forward, but Oberyn stands up at the last second. It’d be cool to see Jaime willing to fight for his brother, fearing that nobody will volunteer, even though he knows he has zero shot without his hand.

  140. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Eor!: I wonder how they’re going to do the Jaime storyline.The only logical end this season is to arrive at KL, but in the book he doesn’t arrive until after Joffrey’s death and Tyrion’s imprisonment, not meeting up with his brother until he frees him. Wonder if they’ll have Jaimie away for the PW, cause I can’t see him just sitting back and letting his brother get arrested, or not testifying at his brother’s trial.

    I think Jaime reaching KL earlier could set up a lot of cool new moments. He will get to reconnect with Tyrion before the trial, and I would love to see this as they really only get one scene together in the books. Jaime will watch his horrible son, who never knew his true father, gasp for air in his dying moments. He might speak up for Tyrion when he is charged – but then again maybe not, as the only reason he freed him in the novel was his own guilty conscience.

    I could go on forever with this, as I think the Lannisters are the most interesting family in the show, and there’s a lot of potential with having them all together in KL next season.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Great suggestions! There is just too much good stuff for Jaime to do in KL to keep him on the road.

  141. coronaking
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    armsbendback,
    You’re right no other shows I know of allowed 90min time slots on season premieres or finales…

    LOST had a 104 minute finale at the end of the last season (and 42 minute episodes normally). But of course it was a one time thing and not on HBO.

  142. David The Grey
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. H'ghar: BRAVO to D&D for pulling off a nearly impossible feat of bringing this complex world to life and capturing the imagination of the world. Bravo to GRRM for creating this world and finally finding the right team to adapt it for HBO. A classic has now been created, now George, PLEASE FINISH WRITING THE BOOKS so we will eventually see the conclusion to this epic story!
    A woman is counting the minutes until the show tonight, remember last year’s was Sam hiding behind a rock while the Others/walkers attacked the Fist of the First Men. How they will top that, it remains to be seen.

    1) I agree with your bravos (or would that be Braavos, ha ha) Mrs H’ghar. Not only are they filming something that was supposed to be un-filmable, but they are doing it well. Simply amazing.

    2) Since I feel like we’ve had 2 season finales this season already, I’d be OK if the actul finale isn’t the most awesome thing since sliced bread. But I bet it will be anyway, because I completely trust in D&D.

    Speaking of the books, this got me thinking about how it’s been really hard for me to find another fantasy series to get into. I think I experienced the fantasy genre in the best possible manner. Started off at a youngish age with the easier books (The Hobbit, Narnia, etc.) and then read lots and lots of series, then ended with ASOIAF. My goodness, if I had started with ASOIAF, I just don’t know if I’d be satisfied with fantasy thereafter.

    I’m in a hurry, gotta go get some dinner before the show starts in a little less than 2 hours. But thinking about my old standby fantasy series made me think about what it’d be like if they were filmed, now that just about anything imaginable can be done (and mature content, to boot). What series would people like to see filmed? For me, my top 4 would be Donaldson’s Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever series (of which, I’ve been telling myself I need to re-read for the last 2o-plus years to see if I can get a better appreciation of it, but still haven’t gotten back to it yet!), Tad Williams’ Dragonbone Chair series, Joel Rosenberg’s Guardians of the Flame series, and Jennifer Roberson’s Cheysuli series. Oh and Feists’s early Midemia books too. Don’t laugh. Anyone else have any series they’d love to see done (and done well) with today’s capabilities?

    Apologize for going all over the place with this post! Enjoy tonight’s show everyone!!!

  143. Sor Duncan, the Tall
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Lord Snark,

    that already appeared last eppisode she was aiming to that other guy that kept the horse to the nights watch…

  144. Ludo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Fortunately there won’t be Joffrey’s wedding in this episode. I don’t understand why some people want it so bad. It is a better idea to see the death of Robb and learn about the death of Balon, and then having a scene with Stannis saying that he waits to see the last death before really believing Melisandre. It would provide a big buzz for season 4. “THE SEASON WHERE JOFFREY DIES”. Moreover, we need the introduction of Oberyn Martell and Mace Tyrell. It must not be rushed.

    Same for Coldhands. It’s better if he appears directly to Bran, in order to have a storyline for Bran in season 4.

    And I hope that Lady Stoneheart will appear at the end of the episode too. “Mhysa” is not surprising enough in my opinion. And I think that the resurrection of Catelyn in more than one year from here would be very strange for casual viewers.

    Sorry for the bad english.

  145. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That would be very nice!

    I think it’s reasonable that Jaime will return to Kings Landing this episode. As much as Jaime and Brienne on the road is enjoyable, they began that dynamic over a full season ago, and I think non-readers would be a bit disappointed to see that return, especially after their relationship shift and his personal growth. I don’t think there was a Jaime chapter between leaving Harrenhal together and arriving at Kings Landing in the books, so anything put in would be added material, and might make people feel like “well, they did his redemption arc but now they have nowhere to go with this story”. Reading various forums over this season has made me realize that there are non-readers who almost forget that there is a lot of source material, and think this is like Lost, where the writers back themselves into corners by making storytelling decisions without thinking of the long-term consequences of what happens. People would be disappointed without Jaime/Brienne in this episode, but if they were just travelling again they would probably feel equally let down.

    While it may make for some problems next season, I expect they made plans when they made this decision, and at this point, D&D have earned my trust. I’m content to go along with whatever they do, and not worry about what it means for next season, until they actually lose that trust. Whenever something like this happens, I try very hard to justify it from their perspectives, and I usually am able to do so.

  146. Lycanthropist
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I think at this point we as readers need to either embrace or prepare ourselves for the reality that the show is going to overtake the books, and from this point on the show runners are going to tell their own story.

    The further and further we go the more the adaptation process will take over and it will become their story. Which is wonderful, because I happen to enjoy what they are doing with the show. The reality is that the show has momentum now and in order to maintain it, lots of story lines are going to have to be sped up and compressed (i.e. Brienne or the KL plot) and others expanded upon (Bran, Arya).

    The books are still a long way off from being finished, and I believe that George’s story will still be George’s story, and that we should really begin to enjoy the show as very separate canon from this point forward.

    It was all about getting to the RW, and now they have to decide how THEY want to tell the rest of the story.

  147. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Ludo,

    Your command of the English language is much better than many of us who speak and write it natively!

    The thing that drew me to your comment was the one phrase: “It must not be rushed”.

    I think this is something that we need to keep in mind for the whole series. It seems that many people want a season to be completely packed, and to be hitting a climax in one story or another at all times. I think this makes things hectic and rushed, and negatively effects the series. It needs breathing room, for us to feel more than the story at hand, but the history, the lore, and the feel. We need to be able to smell the salt when we’re in the Iron Islands, feel the cold north of the wall, and if we’re rushing from high point to high point we can’t do that. The slow burn is very effective for this kind of television – look at how great The Wire was, which never offered complete resolution, even to the series as a whole.

    But more than that, the show taking its time is how it can stay behind the novels. I see people comment on how the Iron Islands stories in book 4 can be cut entirely because they didn’t like it, but I disagree entirely. Here the creators have a chance to breathe more life into something that is a bit flat (compared to the intrigue of KL or the war in the riverlands), take their time, and get us to care about it. By taking the time to fully explore these new stories in books 4 and 5, D&D can avoid everyone’s largest concern, which is that the show could catch up to the books.

    The show is also about to run into problems with the scattering plot lines in books 4 and 5, and taking their time with these can alleviate the difficulty. If the story is getting more and more spread out, it seems that trying to sprint through it as quickly as possible would be the worst thing to do. I would be thrilled if next season delves into very little of AFfC (I think there’s enough of ASoS left that if they take their time it can convincingly fill a full season), and if AFfC and ADwD are fully fleshed out over the course of three seasons. This would give us 7 complete seasons before getting into book 6 material. which may just be what GRRM needs to finish the last book before (or along with) the show.

  148. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I have to admit that I did not consider the possibility of a Jaime/Oberyn scene. That would be pretty cool.

    (I am realizing as I type this that I should be cautious about using Oberyn and a slash symbol in the same sentence. Or maybe not. Who am I kidding, I’d be on board either way.)

  149. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Sor Duncan, the Tall: that already appeared last eppisode she was aiming to that other guy that kept the horse to the nights watch…

    It’s a different shot, in the last episode Jon was standing right behind her.

  150. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I thought that I saw a photo still or a brief clip in a pre-season trailer that included Balon Greyjoy, indicating that he might appear this season and that his death may happen on-screen. Can anyone confirm that one of these was released?

  151. outdoorcats
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Season 3…in the BLINK. OF. AN. EYE.

    DAMN!

    But we still have one more amazing episode to look forward to, and as a book fan there are a few things that may or may not appear, but I think have a chance to appear, that would make me absolutely ECSTATIC if they were in it.

    A reference to Euron Greyjoy. Come on. Come on! He’s important.
    A cool Balon death which we were denied in the books? And we’ll know once and for all he didn’t accidentally trip and fall of a bridge–bitch, please.
    Coldhands.

    What I DON’T want to see yet.
    The Purple Wedding – for obvious reasons.
    Lady Stoneheart. I guess this is the most likely way they’ll end the season and I might be in a minority that doesn’t want to see it yet, and I’m trying to resign myself to this ending…but I just can’t. It’s too damn soon, and would feel like a very cynical ending to me. The season’s been just great, but this would leave a bitter taste in my mouth at the end.

  152. Sor Duncan, the Tall
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Lord Snark,

    ok i believe you….

  153. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Sor Duncan, the Tall,

    That’s a different shot

  154. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure they thought through the ramifications of Jaime and Brienne’s early arrival in KL and have some sort of plan. I would hate to lose these characters for several episodes and really the more Lannister family interactions the better. Their family dynamic has been the most successful aspect of the show IMO.
    Other genre series I would like to see adapted: a faithful version of the Oz books. As many adaptations of this world there are, none have ever closely followed the books. L Frank Baum put a lot of brilliant social commentary into those books and with levels of income inequality approaching early 20th century levels, it still feels timely. Plus he had the guts to poke fun at the military, something total socially unacceptable these days. It would be pretty edgy to that now. Since it targets high ranked officers and not privates don’t think it would be offensive. Since characters in Oz don’t age and there are 14 books in the original series they would probably have to be animated.
    Another series I would like to see is Asimov’s Foundation novels. Adrian Brody would be a great Mule.

  155. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    We all should have seen Jaime and Brienne’s early arrival coming. They departed Harrenhal in episode 307. If they didn’t arrive until after the PW then these two characters, who became fan favorites this year, would basicallyhave nothing to do for 6 or 7 episodes. And how could you possibly make the audience believe that it would take 6 or 7 episodes to travel from Harrenhal to KL with an armed escort?

  156. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    The question now is how Westeros.org will react. It’s certainly a chance to show that they don’t disapprove of any changes D&D make.

  157. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    The only show I can think of that fairly regularly has extended episodes on HBO is (the absolutely amazing) Treme.

    Do You Know What It Means (series premiere): 80 minutes
    All on a Mardi Gras Day: 61 minutes
    I’ll Fly Away (finale): 84 minutes
    Do Whatcha Wanna (season two finale): 89 minutes
    Promised Land: 70 minutes
    Tipitina (season three finale): 70 minutes

    Like another show from David Simon – The Wire, each normal episode is between 58-59 minutes, like clockwork. The show also has ten episodes per season (except for season two, which had 11 episodes, and the final season which will supposedly have just 5 episodes), though I expect that the budget – while high – is nowhere near the level of Game of Thrones, so as others above have said, I think it comes down to an issue of time.

    My theory is that A Feast for Crows & A Dance with Dragons will be combined into one season of television, but the season will have 2-3 additional episodes. With True Blood rumored to be ending with season seven, that will leave the summer scheduling spot open for a new series, or Game of Thrones could be moved into this spot.

    That would benefit the show in a couple of ways. For one, it would face much less competition during the summer. Very few broadcast network shows air during the summer; basketball season is over; and most other cable networks have relatively slight summer line-ups.

    Second, it would allow for an additional two months to be added to the production schedule for that one season. Since it is known that an episode of the show takes approximately 18 days to shoot, that would equal out to at least two additional episode, and possibly three.

    I think we’d all agree that the last two books could make for some fantastic television, but I struggle to envision a way they could be structured into two satisfying seasons of television. On the flip side, I just don’t feel like ten episodes would be enough, even if some of the material from those books is used (and it will be, in all likelihood) during the course of the fourth season. So this scenario would provide a win-win for the people involved with the show, and also for the viewers.

  158. KG
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:07 pm | Permalink

    Oh GOD I WANT MORE EPISODES! Don’t be done, season DON’T YOU DARE BE DONE!

  159. booboomagic
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I have so enjoyed the Hound/Arya interactions this season…….but I fear it’s curtains for our Hound tonight. I hope it might be a temporary thing and that R’hllor/George still has something up his sleeve for him.

  160. House Snow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Timmen:
    I was going to mention Brienne because Loras would be pissed to see her, but then I remembered last season he dismissed the chance that she murdered Renly. He was like “I don’t believe it, it was Stannis.” So I doubt that confrontation will happen unless the show loses continuity.

    Well just b/c Loras doesn’t believe Brienne didn’t do it doesn’t mean if they met there wouldn’t be tension. I would be surprised if didn’t get a scene b/t them. I’m not that interested in Loras scenes but ones with Brienne and Jaimie could actuallly be interesting.

  161. Rick
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:13 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for it, but inside I don’t want it to end!!!!

  162. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Seconded

  163. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Chris: This would give us 7 complete seasons before getting into book 6 material. which may just be what GRRM needs to finish the last book before (or along with) the show.

    I’m afraid this is not realistic. The statements we have to go by indicate 7 seasons to wrap up the entire story.

    I’m also not sure if slowing down the pace is a good idea for Game of Thrones. I watch the show with a couple friends who have not read the books, and I noticed their disinterest growing through episode 6 and 7 of this season. As good as the “slow burn” was for The Wire, it never drew strong ratings, and GoT needs a lot more viewers than The Wire to defend its budget.

  164. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    booboomagic,

    The Hound is still alive in the books. He’s the gravedigger that Brienne meets

  165. Chickenduck
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga:

    My theory is that A Feast for Crows & A Dance with Dragons will be combined into one season of television, but the season will have 2-3 additional episodes.

    I think you’re basically correct, but the 2-3 additional episodes will be at the end of S4… With the bulk of AFFC and ADWD material covered in S5.

    Like with the books though, the key is timing all the plotlines so that they converge in Meereen – Tyrion, the Ironborn, Dany getting to the required points at the same time. I think they could probably time that for the very end of S5, as some of those characters have a lot of story to cover, particularly Tyrion, whose trial and escape will probably take most of S4, then can have his travelogue through Essos in S5.

    For the record, although I don’t think AFFC or ADWD were as well-written as the previous 3 books, and I find a lot of the characterisations a bit 2D, I think it has some really fantastic world-building and backstory etc, which I’m looking forward to seeing.

  166. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    booboomagic,

    The Hound is still alive in the books. He’s the gravedigger that Brienne meets

    That’s just a theory, you know.

  167. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    My theory is that A Feast for Crows & A Dance with Dragons will be combined into one season of television, but the season will have 2-3 additional episodes.

    Not likely, A Dance With Dragons by itself is longer than A Storm of Swords, and adding in A Feast For Crows would make it even longer. My guess is that they will squish them together and take about 3-3.5 seasons for ‘em. 2 for A Dance With Dragons and 1-1.5 for A Feast For Crows.

  168. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    That’s some really interesting info and theories you have. I just wish D&D would give us 90min premieres and finales only because the only constant criticism I have heard throughout the seasons from both friends and TV critics alike is the “rushed” feeling many have spoken of.

    The 60-90min time slot would give D&D some elbow room to remedy this. It couldn’t cost to much more or take to much more time to make happen. D&D are on to their fourth year now and must have become way more proficient at running the show. Plus HBO would have no problem coughing up the extra funds if D&D asked for it and presented the reasons why.

    It could happen if D&D want it to. Maybe it’s just wishful thinking on my behalf but I know many fans would feel much more satisfied with 90min premieres and finales. It would also eliminate a lot of the negative critiques from both fan and critic alike of the “rushed” feeling…

  169. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    AFFC and ADWD needs some serious editing as there is a lot of time wasting in those books. I can see them taking finishing both books in 1.5 seasons

  170. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Unless the Quiet Isle is important later on, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just cut it out. I think it was only there to let us know the Hound might be alive.

  171. Chris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Lord Snark,

    I can certainly see that. I guess it’s more “this is what I would like to see”, if only for myself. I know they’ve made the seven season comment, but I took it to be that they are optimistic that they will get through 7 seasons before they will have to contend with rating issues that may arise from the later novels. To fit it all into 7 seasons, they’re going to have to condense two books into a single season (which would likely be books 4 and 5), or perhaps make seasons 4 and 5 a combination of the rest of book 3 plus 4 and 5… and to me, that just seems like a disaster. I feel like that would be saying to us “well, we really only cared about doing service to the first two and a half books, but since we’re here we might as well just get the rest over with”, at which point I’d have to ask why they even bothered starting this project. I’m no show-runner, though.

    I can see 3 seasons for those two books being a bit much, but I’d be very disappointed if we got less than two seasons.

    And this doesn’t really pertain to your comment, just a general observation (and, this is something that will make the strain of adapting books 4 and 5 even more evident): I think these two books should be taking place simultaneously on screen. The timeline split worked (IMO) in the books, but would be incredibly frustrating to viewers and may cost them actors if played out on screen. I read the series after seeing season 1, so had access to the two books back-to-back, but I can imagine that if I was reading those two books as they came out I would have been very annoyed.

  172. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Perhaps, especially since characters are starting to congregate again…

  173. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Agreed. I really hope they do this, although we’ll see where we are when Season 4 ends in a years time.

  174. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    While the points about Sandor Clegane being alive are sort of convincing, I won’t buy them until GRRM confirms it.
    To me, he’s as good as dead as Syrio Forel, another dead character that has a lot of theories like “He may be alive”, “He may be a faceless man”, “He may be Jaqen”.

  175. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    If Bran’s “Ghost Story” is indeed about The Night’s King than that is evidence towards a certain fan theory… Coldhands’ identity, if, on the other hand, it is about the Rat Cook than we may be getting Frey Pie early.

  176. vlad
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    The Mhysa song is unbelievable!! I can’t wait to see the scene…. and I realy hope we get to see 2 mhysas!

  177. The Black Gate
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else have any series they’d love to see done (and done well) with today’s capabilities?

    My first choice would be for any number of GG Kay’s works to be adapted. I think they would translate very well to the screen.

  178. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    Umm anybody been to the EW site? They have a post about the upcoming live chat at 9pm follows by non-links to future posts. One of these posts is “Game of Thrones reveals SPOILER!” Are we getting LS tonight?

  179. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Little dialogue, note the wording:

    Elder Brother: The Hound is dead
    Brienne: Sandor Clegane? Dead? (paraphrased this line, and this line ONLY)
    Elder Brother: Sandor Clegane is at peace

    ETA: GRRM has confirmed that Syrio is dead. :(

  180. Kessell
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Lord Snark,

    is the shot that you mention not from when she is deer hunting with Jon in a previous episode?

  181. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    LS? I’ve read all the books, but I’m not familiar with this abbreviation…

  182. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    Lady Stoneheart: Uncat

  183. Kessell
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    LS: Lady Stoneheart , aka notquitedeadCat
    wargsareawesome,

  184. Sor Duncan, the Tall
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome:
    Joshua Taylor,

    it means Lady Stonehart

    LS? I’ve read all the books, but I’m not familiar with this abbreviation…

  185. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Ah, that makes sense. kept thinking Lord Snow for some reason

  186. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    My eyes are glued to the clock. And HBO Go always has a little bit of delay.

  187. Lord Snark
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Kessell:
    Lord Snark,

    is the shot that you mention not from when she is deer hunting with Jon in a previous episode?

    Nope, I’m sure this is a shot we haven’t seen before.

  188. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    wargsareawesome,

    AFFC and ADWD needs some serious editing as there is a lot of time wasting in those books. I can see them taking finishing both books in 1.5 seasons

    Yeah, that’s true. On the other hand, I’m interested to see whether or not some decent editing/rewriting could make some of the time wasting scenes less, you know, time-wastey.

    I mean, there’s some stuff like the plot to get Myrcella on the throne, the Greyjoy invasion/battle against Highgarden, Frog and the Windblown’s quest, etc. etc. etc. that could be cut, but it could also be redone so that it actually starts to feel like it IS the plot and not like it’s distraction from the plot.

    I’d say this particularly because some of these story lines really got tattered when they split up AFFC and ADWD. The Greyjoys in particular: we see Victarion’s side in AFFC, but we didn’t get to see Daenerys’ side until six years later. The same goes for Arianne vs. Quentyn — that stuff would be much more interesting if we were seeing both sides at once instead of one side and then the other six years later.

    One thing I always liked about the Harry Potter movies was that they got the chance to take a second chop at the books with a decent editor who wasn’t afraid to rewrite things that didn’t work. I’d be really interested to see if D&D can do the same with these books.

  189. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    5 min! ERRMYGODD

  190. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    I have a feeling that The Hound is not dead and will indeed be making a comeback.

  191. Alan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Shan: Gah. I get that it’s true, but it seems kind of dumb. They’re going to have to do so much rewriting.

    Loras isn’t in the Kingsguard yet, so no “I am the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, you arrogant pup.”

    Joffrey isn’t dead yet, so no bloody church reunion sex. No “Where were you? You could have saved him!” from Cersei, either. That scene just broke my heart in the books but apparently no go.

    Two of my favorite scenes, poof. They’d better put something awesome in their place.

    There’s no reason those scenes can’t be included, if slightly different.

  192. eth3n
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    Heavily Implied != Confirmed

  193. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Buckle your seatbelts and get ready for the fastest 63mins of your life!!!

  194. geo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    The hound and arya part ways tonight, more peeps have reason to kill Joff, Bran meets Sam, Jon makes it back, and I say they end season with mysha

  195. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    eth3n,

    No, in an interview GRRM outright said that Syrio Forel was indeed dead

  196. Andrew
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    Shan: Gah. I get that it’s true, but it seems kind of dumb. They’re going to have to do so much rewriting.

    Loras isn’t in the Kingsguard yet, so no “I am the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, you arrogant pup.”

    Joffrey isn’t dead yet, so no bloody church reunion sex. No “Where were you? You could have saved him!” from Cersei, either. That scene just broke my heart in the books but apparently no go.

    Two of my favorite scenes, poof. They’d better put something awesome in their place.

    Alan,

    There’s no reason those scenes can’t be included, if slightly different.

    Yes but if even ONE line of dialogue is changed THE SHOW IS RUINED!!!!11

  197. booboomagic
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    Sandor Clegane

    Yeah I know there’s an inference that he’s alive and well on the QI. But D&D are changing character arcs too and I think they can be just as ruthless as GRRM. The Hound is my favourite character for sure.

  198. eth3n
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:01 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome,

    I would appreciate you providing a link to this interview, because I am only aware of the “impossible situation” interview. I could definitely be wrong, and if that’s the case I would love to read that interview.

  199. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    WOOT! Let’s do this!

  200. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    here we goooo

  201. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Very HYPED!!!

  202. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    and… enter GreyRobb StarkWind

  203. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    ohhhh shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii robbwind

  204. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    OMG!,

  205. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Oh that was gruesome indeed…poor Arya!

  206. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Sigh. I didn’t want to see RobbWind.

  207. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    ohhhh shiiiiiiiiiiii joff cursing tywin!!!!

  208. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Man, Tywin is full of some great zingers as usual.

  209. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Oh Joffrey!, shouldn’t have said that to PawPaw

  210. FamousAmazingGuy
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Did Arya see RobbWind in the book?

  211. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    FamousAmazingGuy:
    Dis Arya see RobbWind in the book?

    No.

  212. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    hodorrrrrrrrrrrr

  213. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    FamousAmazingGuy,

    We don’t even see RobbWind in the books. It’s only from the mouth of a Frey.

  214. LordStarkington
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Rat Cook!

  215. FamousAmazingGuy
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    zaprowsdower,

    Thanks zaprowsdower & Mrs. H’ghar

  216. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    and we have Guest Right

  217. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    Is Roose a Rob Stewart fan?

  218. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    oooo noooo… nice meal ramsay

  219. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Reek!

  220. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    Reek, Reek, it Rhymes With Meek/Weak/Sneak

  221. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Balon! Oh Jesu….you go Yara!

  222. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Do you thing Yara!

  223. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Balon Greyjoy!!!!!

  224. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    ATTA GIRL, YARA!!!!!!!

  225. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    s4 is the greyjoys season!! yeah

  226. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    I like show-Yara better than book-Asha

  227. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Aw Bran, it’s going to be very cold where you’re going.

  228. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    wargsareawesome:
    I like show-Yara better than book-Asha

    A woman does also.

  229. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    balon death still today???

  230. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    balon death still today???

    Perhaps not.

  231. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    what is the point of that shae/varys scene? curious..

  232. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    what is the point of that shae/varys scene? curious..

    Loyalty.

  233. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    omg i love arya

  234. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    u know nuthing jon snuhhhhhhhhhh

  235. LordStarkington
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    “I know how this must look” to Maester Aemon lolol

  236. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Hell hath no fury like a ginger.

  237. yasha
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Damn. Need to quote shakespeare: “Hell hath no fury like a woman scored…”

  238. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    aemon!!! balon, aemon.. wow best surprises yet!! cmon lysa, your turn

  239. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    well done, Tarly

  240. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    OMG LETTERS ARE COMING

  241. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    Lol… letters only season 4.. damn bells

  242. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    btw, a bastard sword is a hand-and-a-half-sword, like Longclaw

  243. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Go Gendry!

  244. brownsnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Jaime!

  245. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Heads are exploding at westeros.org even now.

  246. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    To paraphrase LotR: “Bless the ever-practical Davos Seaworth”

  247. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    mdkdjskjsjdjdjshdhs letterrrr djdjsjdjdkdkjd jaime ate kl smsndndndmmsm

  248. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Ooooh another ginger is pissed.

  249. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Last 2 scenes probably.. its coming MHYSA

  250. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Aw yeah, Dany rockin it!

  251. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Damn no Lady Stoneheart

  252. AJN
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Credits?!? Nooooooooooooooooo

  253. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    WOW. No LS

  254. Ser Oberyn's Husband
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t seen the episode yet but please tell me they ended with a shot of Lady Stoneheart.

  255. Dennis Plane
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Hmm am I the only one who is a bit disappointed that all 3 seasons ended with Daenerys?

    Solid and very emotional episode though, but not quite finale worthy :/

  256. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    wtf… worst finale ever

  257. Brightroar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    So pissed no L.S

  258. Josh
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Great episode…I mean definitely the weakest finale only because it sort of isn’t a finale…Not much the writers can do when they’re just at the halfway point for most of the arcs in the novel. The last scene, while it had great music, was sort of…boring compared to the last two seasons and especially episode 4 and episode 9 of this season.

    Also I’m okay it didn’t ed the way a lot of people expected it to end…will make that eventual ending all the more impactful

  259. D&D Failed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Worst finale of the series, maybe worst episode of the series. No LS was a major MAJOR letdown. 1 on a scale to 10.

  260. Yago
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, no Stoneheart! I feel like they made the good decision. They couldn’t possibly end every season with a surrealistic scene, so this was good I think. Music was great.

  261. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Love it… when was the last time we saw Dany smile for pure joy, rather than a ‘I have won’ smile?

  262. coronaking
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    zaprowsdower:
    WOW. No LS

    My thoughts exactly.

  263. The Bloodraven
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    I liked the episode… except for the ending. They did that in basically the cheesiest way possible.

  264. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    No Lady Stoneheart?!?!? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Other than that, great episode.

  265. Eor!
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    So, wonder how they’ll have Lady Stoneheart without leaking that the acrtress is coming back? They did it with Drogo, maybe they can do the same here

  266. Dickon Manwoody
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Dennis Plane,

    Considering Season 2 doesn’t end with Dany….

  267. Rebecca
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Great episode but I really wanted to see LS :(

  268. Lisa
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    BOOOOOOO

    Nothing happened! No one cares about Dany. Why didn’t they make up for the last episode?

    WHERE IS LADY STONEHEART??? WHY isn’t that little creep dead yet?

  269. Carne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Not used to a happy finale :/ Was hoping for something more cliffhanger-ish. Can’t really say I liked it.

  270. Traveling Targaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    That Dany scene was incredible. I absolutely loved it. A bit disappointed about no Lady Stoneheart, but then again I’m kind of happy that they’re saving it. I was completely and utterly surprised by it in the books, and by showing it in this finale some would think it’d take something away from the RW. It was an incredible episode, and I loved that it was longer than usual. I don’t know about you guys, but that Jaime/Cersei reunion seemed like a dream. I also loved this episode because some of my favorite arcs from the books are beginning, such as Stannis at the wall and the Mereenese knot. Yes, I actually liked that arc. Anyway, I’ve dragged on enough. Awesome episode, not my favorite of the season or of the season finales, but still fantastic nonetheless. This 10 month wait is going to be a bitch.

  271. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    One of the best episodes of Game of Thrones. The worst final season ending ever!

  272. Cadeyrn
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    That was a major strategic blunder. They gave no relief to the friends of the Stark family and left no cliffhanger for next season.

  273. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Really loved the Bran, Sam, Yara scenes. Still disappointed though

  274. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    OMFG another Dany winning moment……where is LS…..I really find Dany’s chapter a little cheesy. Lamest ending so far….

  275. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Thank the Seven three was no UnCat this season!
    Whew!

    So did not belong in the finale. Glad D&D have some sense to them!

    Loved Arya going dark!
    I understand the delay and appreciate it, but bout time Arya got in touch with darkness!

    I’m glad they did have Ygritte shoot Jon in the end, but I do not understand the need for a separate scene. A bit sappy and melodramatic for me when it was not in the moment of the escape.

    Loved Draonstone!!
    It will be nice to see more of that arc next year.
    At least…. I hope!

    The Mysha scene started slow but as Dany went crowd surfing I felt the moment.
    Great finale.

  276. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Holy shit what a terrible finale.

  277. House Snow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Damn good episode but if they weren’t going to end on LS they should have ended with Stannis. The mhysa scene just felt too much like Dracarys.

  278. GoT
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Great episode. Full of drama and plot thickening.

    Highlights:

    1-Mhysa
    2- The Boltons and the Iron Islands
    3-Carnage outside the Twins
    4- Stannis / Davos / Melisandre
    5- Jon / Ygritte

    Anyways, this season was way better than Season 2.

  279. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Although I wanted Lady Stoneheart as well, the TV show will do fine without her.

    I thought the finale was amazing!

  280. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    People aren’t tagging their spoilers – Unsullied BEWARE

  281. zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    I feel bad that someone on the site almost has to do a curtain call for Michelle to avoid spoiling.

  282. Kris
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Crushed no Michelle Fairley as Lady Stoneheart—usually all love to show, but shattered

  283. Alina
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    WHERE IS JOFFREY’S HEAD IN A BASKET???!??

  284. Fabian Schneider
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    I’ll spoilertag all of the following comment since the episode is yet to air in some places.

    No LS, no Coldhands: Good decisions. The way I see it, those two are plot points leading nowhere.

    The Dany ending heralds what is to come – GRRM succumbed to the pantsers’ plague after ASOS [the pantsers' plague is what I call creative burnout that occurs mostly in writers who, like GRRM, write by the "seat of their pants", i.e. without massive pre-plotting. I am also that kind of writer, which is why I sympathize] – the complete breakdown of the story’s pace afterwards will become brutally apparent after Tywin’s death, whenever they place that, unless the showrunners have something brilliant up their sleeves.

  285. Butterbumps
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Oh well, it’s our own fault that we build up the expectation too high for LS. I guess there will not be a resurrection scene then, and LS reveal will be the final shot of S4, just like it is in the book.

  286. Tom M
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Very solid EP, even tho no LS but I think it was a good choice.
    Lots more to come next season, looking forward to lots more great TV, er, cable.

  287. Hawk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Total fail…scene w/ Ygritte and Jon was absolutely stupid…that’s all I really care to say about that bunk I just watched…

  288. Mike Chair
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Great episode. The only ones who missed LS and Coldhands are the book readers.
    We’ve got Reek. Arya is a badass. Nice set ups for next season on every arc.
    It ended with Dany because that’s how this song plays.

  289. Traveling Targaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    ALSO! It seems Daenerys ends 2/3 season finales…hmm. Considering D/D generally know how ASOIF ends, does this mean something? Foreshadowing…? I sure hope so!

  290. Shock Me
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    OK wow! That was fun. Mhysa!

  291. Rapscallion
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Despite the changes I was rather enjoying the episode.

    …until the last scene. That was awful.

  292. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Charles Dance was brilliant tonight. I got scared he would come through the t.v. and annihilate me. The King’s Landing scenes are clearly setting up the PW and Sansa and Tyrion getting the blame. I wonder if they’ll let the viewers think they might be guilty for a few episodes.

  293. Richard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    MOARRRRR!!!!1111

  294. Dunk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    How do you end a season like that? There is so much content they could have used but instead it felt like an hour and 5 minutes of filler. Such a disappointment.

  295. PatD
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    That was a major strategic blunder. They gave no relief to the friends of the Stark family and left no cliffhanger for next season.

    Plus, any surprise factor will be completely blown during the off season. I haven’t found fault with much this season, but that really was a huge misstep.

  296. Bryon
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    People chill about Lady Stoneheart. In the books we didn’t get introduced to her until the epilogue if I remember correctly. We need more brother hood with out banners near the twins before see get introduced to that scenario. Let the TV viewers in the dark like we were as book readers. Although they obviously have to keep the actress who plays her low key until it’s reveled.

  297. SillyMammo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Very glad that they did the direwolf head/robb stuff. Disappointed as everyone else with the exclusion of the other thing.

  298. Yago
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Mhysa scene was a bit cheesy, but I thought the same in the book, so I’m not complaining…

  299. Hi-Fi
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I adore this show, but this was probably my least favorite episode ever. Some good moments, sure, but overall I thought it was weak.

  300. Marco
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    People the finale was last week, this is a bridge episode. Unlike the other seasons this one is not about a single book. Damn some of you are just ….Freys.

  301. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    If Balon didn’t died today, I guess they aren’t rushing the Iron Islands plotline and they will probably follow the same as the books.

    No mention of Red Viper arriving :(

    Twyin/Pycelle fishing probably going to deleted scenes of the season…but I guess Lysa/LF and Mance scene were delayed for Season 4

    Reek!

    Very curious about Yara plotline next season.

  302. Jambo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Traveling Targaryen:
    ALSO! It seems Daenerys ends 2/3 season finales…hmm. Considering D/D generally know how ASOIF ends, does this mean something? Foreshadowing…? I sure hope so!

    We do have the beginning of a pattern here. Fire to end s1, Ice to end s2, Fire for s3….have to keep an eye on what scene ends s4 :)

  303. Ryan E
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I absolutely loved this one. Thought all the storylines were strong. Great dialogue all around.

    I must be the only one who hopes they leaveLS out of the show.

  304. Lex
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    I have to wait 3 more hours, but I’m disappointed by some of these reactions. I wasn’t really expecting Lady Stoneheart tonight though, so if that’s the only real problem, maybe I’ll still enjoy the rest of it.

    Honestly though, The Red Wedding generated so much buzz, I think they can get away with a somewhat anticlimactic finale this time.

  305. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Not seen the episode yet but fuck me…does that mean we don’t get to see any more Beric Dondarrion?!

    Dammit!

  306. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    I cannot believe that was the finale to the great season. Jut awful.

  307. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Everyone is ripping this episode apart. I thought it was GREAT. People may be upset about Lady Stoneheart not being there but I wasn’t expecting it.. I was expecting Cold Hands if anything. Lady Stoneheart is BRIEFLY mentioned at the end of ASOS.

  308. sockies
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    That last scene was fucking terrible. I could feel myself getting more and more pissed off every wasted second.

  309. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Traveling Targaryen,

    there’s nothing to look forward too anymore, not to keen on reading book 6 if ever it comes out. looks like the series will end with yet another Dany winning moment.

  310. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Yes, a woman was a bit sad not to see a few things, but otherwise this was an incredible season ending. How often can one say that they ended a GoT season with a smile after all? Sheesh…some people are NEVER going to be satisfied! YES, a woman would have like to have seen the PW, Arya retrieving Needle and having a Nymeria dream where we see the introduction of LS,but you can’t have everything folks, not in GRRM’s world. That was a good place to pause till next season, and there still is plenty of mystery regarding how many things will turn out even if it wasn’t like last season’s Sam behind the rock scene. Bravo D&D, cast, and crew! Bravo!

  311. DavyJones
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    That was a terrible way to end a season! Why would you end the season with a shot of Dany at a rock concert? Where was the big reveal to hold us for the long wait?!?

    A huge disappointment, its not because last week was stellar either, last season they successfully followed the awesome Battle of Blackwater with the reveal of the white walker a compelling reason to anticipate the next season, where as here we have….. Dany at a rock concert :/

  312. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Why do u have to wait 3 hours? U don’t have access to HBO East?

  313. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    What I really liked about the ‘Mhysa’ scene is that it reminds us just how young Dany is… she can’t be more than 19 or 20, and even that is pushing it…

  314. coronaking
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    The complete last song of the soundtrack wasn’t in the show at all. Strange.

  315. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Andrew: Alan,

    Yes but if even ONE line of dialogue is changed THE SHOW IS RUINED!!!!11

    Or, you know, Jaime coming back to KL was one of my favorite parts of the book because there was so much complicated emotional stuff going on with everyone he meets, none of which we are apparently going to get to see. I credit Lena and Nikolaj for doing the best they could, but cutting about four of my favorite scenes in favor of a scene that had literally one word of dialogue in it is rather lame.

  316. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    I’m disappointed about no LS, yet I believe she is kind of a great opener for S4 (not her birth, but her reveal as in the books). Closing of first episode? (If it’s true episode two is PW).

    And I think I read that Lysa’s actress had filmed scenes for this season. Was that delayed for season 4 then?

  317. Atboz
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    lol at everyone expecting Stoneheart. Knew that wasn’t happening and actually suspect that it will be cut from the series altogether.

  318. cindy
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Wow!!! That was an amazing finale, probably the best episode of the series! The spouse is upset that Joffrey did not die yet, but I loved how they set the stage for next season. Bran and co are beyond the wall, Stannis is going there, Gandry is out of Melisandre’s hands, Jon and Samwell and co are back at the wall. Arya made her first kill, and what a kill it was. And lots and lots of people are ready to kill Joffrey. They definitely moved things around to make it all work, but work it did. My only question - I remember Jaime finding Cersei at the temple greiving for Joffrey. So what happens now that he is back earlier?

    I haven’t read any of the comments, but I imagine people are pissed that the PW didn’t happen and that there was no major battle, no sex, and not much blood. But this is one of those episodes that did everything right, and next season, is set and ready to go. The acting, filming and staging were perfect, and that last shot oh my.

    Other things I loved: ]Ramsey’s conversation with Theon and the naming; the scene with Greyjon, using the letter to explain why Ramsey is doing what he is doing. Bran telling a ghost story. Sansa giving the look to Tyrion, letting him know that she already knows. Oh, I am going to have to rewatch this one, very soon, because I know there are other scenes. Oh hell, I have no favorite scene – it was all bloody brillant!

  319. Sareeta
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Despite not having the shock value of the Red Wedding, this better was much better than “Rains of Castamere” because it was more cohesive, largely advanced the story, and did a great job wrapping up all storylines.

    Best moments:
    1. Bran’s story about the Rat King, especially after the events of Red Wedding
    2. Bran meeting up w/ Sam and Gilly. As a bookreader, I was happy to hear Bran essentially state that he will stop the White Walkers (in answer to Sam’s question). Not sure this was ever explicitly stated in the books. Can’t freaking wait!
    3. Jon and Ygritte’s goodbye
    4. Davos, Melisandre, and Stannis changing focus to North of the Wall. Hell yeah!
    5. Tyrion and Sansa getting along, even joking together. Even though it was short-lived, it was nice to see them on good terms. Of course, she had to find out about Robb and now has yet another reason to feel murderous towards the Lannisters.

    Quibbles:
    1. Didn’t feel Dany’s ending was as powerful as in the previous two seasons, maybe because I didn’t like how they handled the taking of the city last episode.
    2. Didn’t feel like Theon’s torture paid off. a) not nearly as bad as described in the books (shouldn’t he be more flayed and be hobbling around? b) if he had really been tortured all this season, he doesn’t look that bad. In the books he’s described as having aged considerably, smelling awful, and looking completely unlike Theon
    3. Should’ve had more Jaime and Brienne!
    4. Should’ve gotten more Arya/The Hound

  320. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    You people need to stop focusing on what we didn’t get to see from the books and start focusing on what we did get to see….

    We are all entitled to our own opinion but please be realistic about it. This is a TV show, not the “What My Imagination Wanted to See” show…

    There were some great storyline endings… Arya and The Hound being one that stands out the most. Dany’s scene was beautiful. Yara sticking up for her brother and setting sale gave me goosebumps…

    Stop focusing on the “what ifs” and focus on what we got to see. You’ll enjoy the TV adaptation so much more…

  321. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    In other news, I wonder how many takes of his scene Alfie Allen ruined by claiming that his name was Kunta Kinte.

  322. Boojam
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I keep wondering where the surprises were?
    Was the scuttlebutt all week.
    O some things rearranged and slightly re-imagined.
    Faithful to the book , I liked it.

  323. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Maisie Williams really killed tonight too. I remember in season 2 a lot of people were upset Arya didn’t make a kill to get out of Harrenhal but the decision to wait paid off. She’s really out for blood now. Nice touch that they gave her the kill method from the books, dropping the Braavosi coin.

  324. GazCoops
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    There was no way Lady Stoneheart was going to be in this episode, she appears much later in the book and her reveal is a bit of a shock, the show was always going to leave this til next season

    Anyone else think when the crowd was chanting Mhysa that Ja Ja Binks was going to make an guest appearance?

  325. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    I would have moved all of Dany’s scenes from last episode into this one

  326. David The Grey
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    An awesome episode, complete with a great ending!!! Looking forward to Cersei & Jaime next season, Bran’s continuing journey, and Arya & The Hound. It was awesome to see Stannis get pointed to the North, and awesome (and terrible) to see the “King of The North” actualized on the screen.
    Thanks to everyone involved in the production, this has been the best season of Game of Thrones yet.

  327. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    I loved how they brought Reek in too!

    I’m just not sure we need Coldhands at all honestly, but we certainly do not need him at thi point considering how D&D need to create scenes for BRan’s clan next year.

    I never thought Lady Stoneheart would b in the finale honestly. IT totally removes shock value and frankly she would not be found yet in the timline since everything took place with a day or two of the RW as I saw it.

    Personally I would not reveal her until the books did. I know I am in the minority here.

  328. Ryan E
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Atboz: lol at everyone expecting Stoneheart. Knew that wasn’t happening and actually suspect that it will be cut from the series altogether.

    That’s one change I am hoping for, though it may complicate one future storyline.

  329. Ned's Head
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Apparently D&D weren’t kidding when they said all they wanted to do was get to the Red Wedding, because our first sample of post RW is by far their worst effort. I’m really stunned at how bad it was.

    Easily the worst episode of season 3, if not the entire series. Maybe one of the worst finales of any season of any show in HBO history. This actually made the Sopranos cut-to-black seem otherworldly. Absolutely nothing interesting to help bide the ridiculous 10 month wait for the next season. Why is it the Walking Dead can provide great finales AND be back on the air 6 months later? HBO should hire some of those folks.

    It was so bad that it could actually harm interest in the show going forward. 0 stars, 0 out of 10. Awful from start to finish.

  330. Anna
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Longtime lurker, but one thing popped on my mind: they will not adaptate AFFC, right? Because Jaime arrived and met Cersei (and no Kettlebacks), so even if Sansa will run away after the wedding, what is the point of having Brienne? And no Greyjoys (I don’t miss them, though). And no Stoneheart. And probably not Sam and his adventures.

  331. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    *Sees everyone bitching and ripping the episode apart*

    Still better than Valar Morghulis.

  332. Ashara D
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Ok, people. Keep the faith! Remember, D & D have the big picture in mind and have a TV SHOW to do. The massive internal stuff coming up in the books has to be communicated in other ways for television. Personally, I think D & D are focusing us more on the large conflict (Ice vs Fire). Anyone else catch the symmetry between the horsehead spiral and the “circle” of children surrounding their mhysa? Big picture people!

    Although, how are they going to do the Greyjoy story line with Asha jumping on a ship? No matter. 10 months to work it out…

  333. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    There was no “magical/surreal” scene at the end of the season, like the endings of the past 2 seasons. I can’t say they did the “Mhysa” relevance well….just a literal interpretation? That’s it? Is that all we got? I wanted more for my 10 extra minutes.

    Oh well…see you in 10 months.

  334. NoOne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    That final scene was amazing, very good dialogue and pleasant surprises, be patient. kinda sad that it will be bashed because they didn’t show that so many people were expecting.

  335. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    GazCoops,

    me. Won’t take the internet long to put him in though

  336. Spryte
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    Woooo.. Yeah, moshpit Dany! m/

    It was heartfelt, I’ll give it that.. but I was literally yelling at the TV when the credits started rolling. No LS. Now I have to deal with GoT withdrawal.

    I guess Arya’s was the one scene that gave us a little payback for the RW though. Killing her first “man.” Our little girl’s growing up!

  337. tysnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    With the exception of that extremely uneventful ending, it was very good, but not one of the top 5 episodes for the season. The writers could have come up with a little more bang, as in the finales for 1 and 2. I guess they decided to end odd seasons with Dany and even ones with the North. My problem with the ending is…couldn’t they have written a more bad ass one, than this. If they wanted to end with Dany, end it with the taking of Yunkai, not this major letdown. The last scene is suppose to be like total @^&$ awesome, not a “eh”, not very happy with it, very poor decision making by D&D.
    Guess we won’t have LS, probably have Beric seek vengeance with his BwB, perhaps the Blackfish will join them. I also didn’t like the decision not to show the BF fighting/sneaking out of the Twins, and what about Edmure? That was poor construction to not show those two and how the RW affected them.
    THIS IS WHY WE NEED THE PREMIERE AND FINALE TO BE TWO HOURS>>>HBO,
    so get with it and make it happen.
    All I can think about is that letdown of an ending, not a good way to close out the RW, it diminishes the power of the previous best episode ever. All these new viewers watching for the first time, after hearing about or watching the RW will be like, “this doesn’t look so special”, what’s the big deal.

  338. David Bousquet
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head:
    Apparently D&D weren’t kidding when they said all they wanted to do was get to the Red Wedding, because our first sample of post RW is by far their worst effort. I’m really stunned at how bad it was.

    Easily the worst episode of season 3, if not the entire series. Maybe one of the worst finales of any season of any show in HBO history.This actually made the Sopranos cut-to-black seem otherworldly. Absolutely nothing interesting to help bide the ridiculous 10 month wait for the next season.Why is it the Walking Dead can provide great finales AND be back on the air 6 months later? HBO should hire some of those folks.

    It was so bad that it could actually harm interest in the show going forward.0 stars, 0 out of 10. Awful from start to finish.

    I agree with you, I am a huge fan of the show but I was really disappointed with this finale.

  339. Cadeyrn
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    Agreed. They only needed, what, 90 seconds to 120 seconds to get in one helluva cliffhanger for LS but noooo, they have to spread some weaksauce on Jamie and Cersei. Was that a contractual commitment or something?

    Seriously, they couldn’t find 90 seconds for “There she is, get her out. It’s been too long. Try anyway!” Followed by LS opening her eyes screaming through a damaged throat and pointing at a Frey banner lying nearby.

    Really? It ran long anyway, couldn’t find 90 seconds to be forever epic?

  340. House Snow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    Give me a break. Just b/c the last scene sucked doesn’t mean the rest of the episode did. It was a great episode right up until the last scene.

  341. Clob
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    I find it “funny’ how some people state they didn’t like the episode because it didn’t have certain scenes they expected to see for some reason, even if they don’t happen for quite some time in the book(s). It basically comes off as “I’m waiting for (this) to happen and I’m not going to enjoy any scene until it does. Wtf?! It didn’t happen? Well the whole thing sucked then. They can’t have a good season finale that doesn’t have something magically fantastical or some kind of major cliffhanger!!”

  342. Endless Giraffe
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I loved it. Don’t know what everyone else watched because I thought it was just about perfect.

  343. Rhys
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Excuse me a sec.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHERE WAS LADY STONEHART AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    Better now.

  344. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    They really delivered the worst finale yet. I’m sure going to keep watching but a lot of people…this was a bad episode and the writers really screwed up. It felt like a filler.

  345. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    I can’t even begin to say how pleased I am with every decision made for this episode. Fuck I love this season. Forget what I used to say about this show not spending enough time with the characters.

    I’ll save more detailed thoughts for the recap thread later, but yeah I don’t think a mistake was made in this episode. I adore it.

  346. wargsareawesome
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe,

    hear hear

  347. SillyMammo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Ok, people. Keep the faith! Remember, D & D have the big picture in mind and have a TV SHOW to do. The massive internal stuff coming up in the books has to be communicated in other ways for television. Personally, I think D & D are focusing us more on the large conflict (Ice vs Fire). Anyone else catch the symmetry between the horsehead spiral and the “circle” of children surrounding their mhysa? Big picture people!

    Very true! Love Bran’s Rat Cook story which could payoff two seasons from now!

  348. Rhys
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    They really delivered the worst finale yet. I’m sure going to keep watching but a lot of people…this was a bad episode and the writers really screwed up. It felt like a filler.

    You’ve said the same damn thing three times. You hated it, we get it.

  349. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    I loved the episode, but thought ending the season with Mhysa was not that great. I would have preferred they ended with Stannis/Mel/Davos. I’m just thinking about all of the scenes that were cut/pushed back to next season. We know they filmed a scene at the Eyrie. We know that there was a reaction scene where Mance finds out Jon escaped. I think some Jaime/KL scenes were cut as well. So there will either be a ton of deleted scenes on the BR/DVD or scenes that were saved for S4.

    I’m not surprised in the least that there was no Stoneheart in the finale, but I was surprised that there was no mention of her body being dumped into the river. I still think we will get her reveal next season as it was in the books, but I am a tad worried that they may scrap the character all together.

    I really enjoyed this episode, especially the storylines that have not always been the most exciting this season(Sam/Bran/Jon). I am psyched about the Castle Black crew being back together. Hopefully they nail Jon’s storyline from here on out.

    Final season 3 rankings:

    ‘Valar Doeherys’ – 8.3
    ‘Dark Wings, Dark Words’ – 8.4
    ‘Walk Of Punishment’ – 8.7
    ‘And Now His Watch Is Ended’ – 9.3
    ‘Kissed By Fire’ – 9.5
    ‘The Climb’ – 8.5
    ‘The Bear And The Maiden Fair’ – 8.3
    ‘Second Sons’ – 9.3
    ‘The Rains Of Castamere’ – 9.7
    ‘Mhysa’ – 9.3

    Season 3 overall – 9.2

    Here’s to casting season! Time to meet the Red Viper and the Martells of Dorne!

  350. loco7+
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Excellent episode !!!! I’m glad that they decided to go with a more subdued, if you can say such a thing about tonight’s episode. If they had decided to go the other way and introduced some new elements or other events of high import, it would have been a mistake in my opinion and too much. Last week’s episode provided enough drama. This was more of an anchor episode a link to next season. In a way it makes sense since this season only covered about half of ” A Storm Of Swords “. Couldn’t have asked for a better way to wrap up an amazing season!

    A lot more to follow…hang on to your hats!!!!!

  351. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, why is everyone acting like drama queens?
    You didn’t get the scene you wanted, so the episode sucked. I love your logic.
    It wasn’t the best of the season, but certainly it wasn’t the worst. It was above 6 and 7. Easily.

  352. Jambo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Man, really surprised at all the negativity toward the episode here….I thought it was great.

    So many good scenes, with so many nice little moments. And a lot of surprisingly funny stuff – Ramsay joking w/ Theon, the Gendry/Davos scenes were great, Hodor Hodoring down the well, etc.

    I’m glad we didn’t get LS to end the season. It was so effective in the books because it comes out of nowhere, long enough after the RW that it was the last thing anyone expected. Would have been way too soon to have it this episode.

    I love the continued small nods to book scenes/moments, as well as call-backs to earlier episodes in the show. The Arya scene was a highlight, dropping the coin – glad they got that bit in when it didn’t work back in the s2 story. The Tywin/Tyrion scene at the table, when Tyrions about to leave – ‘Not you.’ Nice call back to the s1 finale.

    A bunch of really epic looking shots in this episode as well: Bran & Co. heading out of the Wall, the Table at Dragonstone, the Mysha scene all really stood out as being very well shot.

    Nice to see Aemon and Pyp back as well.

    Now, how am I ever going to make it until spring 2014? Gah, how do these seasons go by so fast!

  353. wycoff
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Ryan E,

    You’re not the only one who hopes that LS doesn’t make an appearance in the show. That was the point where I thought that GRRM started to get a bit off track.

    I thought that this episode was fantastic. I don’t really understand the griping.

  354. GeekFurious
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    I am not someone who jumps all over weak moments in an episode the way some people do and them proclaim the entire episode crap.

    But there were a few lame moments in tonight’s episode. And I don’t just mean because they were poor reworkings of what was in the books (I am not a purist, so I am usually not that bothered by those things), but that a few scenes just felt really flat having been tossed in the middle of much stronger scenes.

    Granted, I need more than one viewing to really sink my teeth into this one. But right now, after a single viewing, it is my least favorite.

  355. Ryan E
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Clob: I find it “funny’ how some people state they didn’t like the episode because it didn’t have certain scenes they expected to see for some reason, even if they don’t happen for quite some time in the book(s). It basically comes off as “I’m waiting for (this) to happen and I’m not going to enjoy any scene until it does. Wtf?! It didn’t happen? Well the whole thing sucked then. They can’t have a good season finale that doesn’t have something magically fantastical or some kind of major cliffhanger!!”

    I know, most of this criticism is just asinine.

  356. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    So it sounds like the fanbase has disappointed itself by hyping Stoneheart. D&D probably wanted a few more scenes out of Beric and co before sending him off to the afterlife… or the darkness, as he says. Or maybe they’re well and truly abiding by the book and keeping her to the end, though we may see her sometime before season 4′s end.

    In the UK ASOS is split into two volumes. I had a look today and series 3 ends 200 pages into the second volume, leaving roughly 500-600 pages left to adapt, as opposed to season 3 tackling about 800-900 pages. Looks like we’ll get AFFC and ADWD creeping in next year.

  357. EricOF
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Too early for LS. Can’t introduce her one episode after Cat dies. Much bigger impact next season if they do it at all.

  358. Lin Beifunk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    S1:
    “Ahhh, the first dragons have magically hatched after hundreds of years! Shit’s gonna go down!”

    S2:
    “Ahhh, White Walkers are marching on the ranging crew and possibly the Wall! Shit’s gonna go down!”

    S3:
    “Ahhh, Daenerys is still in Essos! When’s shit gonna go down?”

  359. Khal_Nekro
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Dear HBO

    Hurry up and make House Bolton shirts, mugs and flaying knives so I can buy them

    Sincerely,
    Khal Nekro

  360. tysnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    NoOne,

    It’s not the LS reveal that makes me bummed, it is how everyone is expecting a big “WOW” final scene like 1 and 2 and we get this major letdown of a last scene. The last scene of a season needs to be memorable, this one was a freaking long way off from being memorable.

    Anyway, looks like D&D are changing up the Greyjoy arc, will be interesting to watch. I for one want them to keep Balon, because Patrick is slamming it as Lord GJ. He is better than Vick or One Eye.

  361. Traveling Targaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Jambo,

    Hmm, that’s very interesting. Never even thought about that, I was just too hung up on Daenerys’ perfection. As for potential s4 Ice ending…not too sure. Something at the Wall seems like the greatest possibility. It’s been a while since I’ve read SoS, sorry. Pretty sure one of the battles (at Castle Black or at the Wall itself) happens near the end, although they’d probably use that as episode 9.

  362. Turri
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Very strong episode, consistently ending plots and starting to twist them into a new direction. Satisfying in many ways.

  363. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Here are my rankings: (piggybacking off of Tyrion Pimpslamp)

    ‘Valar Doeherys’ – 8.0
    ‘Dark Wings, Dark Words’ – 8.0
    ‘Walk Of Punishment’ – 9.0
    ‘And Now His Watch Is Ended’ – 9.5
    ‘Kissed By Fire’ – 9.5
    ‘The Climb’ – 9.0
    ‘The Bear And The Maiden Fair’ – 7.5
    ‘Second Sons’ – 9.6
    ‘The Rains Of Castamere’ – 10
    ‘Mhysa’ – 8.5

  364. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    GazCoops,

    followed by Justin Bieber….loved the episode, just didn’t like the ending, too corny.

  365. LordStarkington
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    I generally really liked the episode, although three things didn’t for me

    (1) I’m not pleased with how they have Stannis acting in that last scene, although it’s fixable next season
    (2) The Dany ending was pretty underwhelming to me, but I’ve never been a big fan even from the books
    (3) The lack of a real good cutoff point in this part of ASOS showed (see #2).

    And no, LS wasn’t necessary by any means

    Otherwise, I think they’ve set the table very well for Season 4, even if it didn’t go out with a bang of any kind.

  366. loco73
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    The North Remembers, yep it does!!! As I said holds on to your hats…for night gathers and now my watch begins!

  367. GoT
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    I have to say I missed Lady Stoneheart . It would have been a perfect sequence to Dany’s scene, and people wouldn’t be complaining about the episode at all.

  368. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Haha, and it went UP a point in my book because of the lack of a scene in that vein. Fuck putting that in this season. Was always against it but had kind of gotten resigned to it. I do think the book 3 epilogue would make for a rockin’ S4 cold open if they choose to go that route though.

    Also, lulz @ the PW in season 3 folks.

  369. Shmurb
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    I’m right there with you with the exception of the ending, I thought that was an exceptionally weak way to go out. The rest of the episode though, damn good acting, covered every major plot pretty well, and certain scenes like the small council and Arya’s scene with the Freys were incredible. It kind of petered out at the end though, got rushed with the Davos/Stannis/Mel stuff, and didn’t really end on anything notable. I don’t know how I feel. Good episode? Yeah. Did they manage to successfully wrap up the story of half a book in a way that stood on it’s own. I don’t think so, but that’s just me.

  370. Carne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    This is it for me. I wasn’t expecting LS at all, but the ending did nothing for me. I was hoping for a “Wow!” moment, and what we got certainly wasn’t.

  371. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Fo all the people thinkingloner would have been better…

    I assumed they would end with the Mysha scene before the season started. Just such a logical end not e for the season. The way that scene was a bit lackluster (I was moved at the end) I think the episode would have felt a bit flat no matter how long it was.

    However, the final episodes are always more wrap up and set up than anything else. I think there are always comments about how the finale episode is not as strong as the penultimate episode…. just how this series roles.

    Personally I liked the episode a lot.
    Some of the best dialog of the series. Great extended scenes tat wrapped up season long arcs nicely and set things up for next year.

    Just about what I expected story wise and not much more I could ask for I a season finale of Thrones honestly. Considering I a not a Dany fan… That’s saying something!

  372. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    I stand behind you in total agreement.

  373. Hawk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    this episode was D&D at their worst…f-ing idiots…

  374. caroline
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Brace yourselves… the complaints about no LS scene are coming… I liked the finale it was beautiful and optimistic and Dany smiling like that was really touching. Also go Yara girl, at least someone cares for poor Theon…

  375. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Do they replace Victorian with Balon? We know who Balon is, we don’t know who Victorian is just yet. Interesting

  376. PatD
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    There will be no shock from LS next season. It’ll be all over the internet in the interim. They blew it.

    And if they plan to ditch LS altogether, then they should have ended with CH.

    Wow. That was an awful last episode.

  377. wycoff
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head,

    Couldn’t disagree more. If you didn’t find that episode interesting, if that episode didn’t want you craving more, then I don’t know what to tell you.

  378. Jim
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    They really need to work on making the season finales more interesting. This is the second in a row that has just plain been boring.

  379. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Did anyone else get a kick out of hearing Hodor echo his Hodors down the well? Then he bonded with Sam awwww. With no LS yet, I guess the audience will have to hope the gods will be the ones to avenge the Starks. It was cool hearing the Rat Cook story and getting the guest right stuff. It was also really nice to see Aemon again. I didn’t love that Gilly named her baby. I know the wilding superstition about not naming babies befor age 2 isn’t vital to the story, but I kind of liked it.

  380. coronaking
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    NoOne,
    It’s not the LS reveal that makes me bummed, it is how everyone is expecting a big “WOW” final scene like 1 and 2 and we get this major letdown of a last scene. The last scene of a season needs to be memorable, this one was a freaking long way off from being memorable.

    Just because we fans are a spoiled bunch. ;) I agree that the last scene was a bit lacking but seriously – one of the main characters occupies a city by being loved by the people there, accompanied by awesome music and three flying dragons! We would have been at the edge of our seats at the end of the first season.

  381. Sam
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    And yet, shit didn’t really go down with either of those scenes. The dragons were in a cage for 90% of season 2 and we didn’t get to see the battle on the Fist. Sure, it set up something cool, but anyone who thought the dragons were going to be kicking ass in season 2 or that the walkers would get to the wall in season 3 would have been massively let down by what actually happened.

    And even though neither happened, we got two great seasons.

    The only people who are angry about the way this episode ended are book readers. Don’t believe me? Check the game of thrones hashtag on twitter. Everyone’s talking about all the great scenes from this episode, including the last one.

  382. NoOne
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Well said.

  383. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    PatD:
    There will be no shock from LS next season. It’ll be all over the internet in the interim. They blew it.

    And if they plan to ditch LS altogether, then they should have ended with CH.

    Wow. That was an awful last episode.

    Yep!

  384. Lin Beifunk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Carne:
    I was hoping for a “Wow!” moment, and what we got certainly wasn’t.

    This. I liked the episode overall, but compared to dragons or WWs, those last five minutes were pretty boring. But I’m not a huge Dany fan, so, eh. And it ain’t like her storyline gets much better for a few years after this, lol.

  385. Endless Giraffe
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I have to agree that the last scene was just bad. That just seemed wrong. Everything else though worked out perfectly.

  386. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    wycoff:
    Ned’s Head,

    Couldn’t disagree more.If you didn’t find that episode interesting, if that episode didn’t want you craving more, then I don’t know what to tell you.

    Agreed. Everyone’s expectations are sky high because every episode 9 has been incredible.

  387. Shmurb
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    And my only problem with no Lady Stoneheart is I have no conceivable idea what they’re going to do with the Brotherhood next season that could work, and the fact that it made their arc this season all but pointless. Otherwise I agree that particular reveal is best saved for later. I have faith in the creators though, they seem to know what they’re doing.

  388. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Cadeyrn,

    I wanted more Jaime, not less Jaime, but I agree that the Jaime they had was lame. Shoulda kept him on the road. There’s a great scene where Brienne is totally distraught by the Red Wedding and Jaime tries to cheer her up by calling her a bunch of mean names and is all baffled when this brilliant strategy somehow fails to work. They could have left it there. They’re on the road to KL, Brienne’s going to find Sansa and take her *somewhere* safe, Jaime’s going to help, nobody’s going to kill themselves, etc. etc. etc. closure closure closure. They could have saved the KL stuff for next season if they didn’t have time for it this season.

    For a show that’s worried about catching up to the books too quickly, they sure are chucking a lot of interesting material into the trash. Tywin and Tyrion and Cersei all have meetings with Jaime when he gets home that are complex and interesting and sad. They’re also pretty funny (Tyrion’s response to seeing Jaime’s hand is to crack up laughing; Tywin doesn’t even notice it for like ten minutes because he’s doing the thing where he doesn’t look up from the letter he’s writing). I like a lot of the changes that they’ve made — I get that they’re thinking about the big picture — but those scenes would have made great TV.

    Oh, well. Great episode otherwise.

  389. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Valdred Dethstorm,

    Haha, and it went UP a point in my book because of the lack of a scene in that vein. Fuck putting that in this season. Was always against it but had kind of gotten resigned to it.

    Also, lulz @ the PW in season 3 folks.

    Agreed.

    Also, ghost cocks. I’m still laughing.

  390. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb: I’m right there with you with the exception of the ending, I thought that was an exceptionally weak way to go out.

    You know, if I’m gonna be analytical, I guess I agree it could have used some more substance. I liked it but it didn’t feel complete. Except…hm, any ideas on how it could have been given some more meat?

  391. Michel
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    So, what about the song “For the Realm…”?

  392. YOJET
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    To simple,wasn’t it??
    But well structured, very well articulated and characterized. It must have been hard to balance in every one- Asha, Theon, Roose, Ramsay, Walder, Abomination-Robb/Wind, Arya+Hound, Sansa+Tyrion+Varys, and last but not the least Jamie+Cersei.
    For now we know, asha is bringing war to Bolton’s door. Bran and posse are almost there at their destination. Nothing much to expect from KL. AND ARYA’S ON HER WAY TO BRAAVOS!
    Can’t say this was the best of all seasons, for I think best of season’s yet arrive= Season 4(Book 3+book 4+book5)!
    Fare ye well mates,
    HODOR!

  393. JamesL
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    This is why they should have had the PW for the season finale. They should have went out with a bang.

  394. Zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Jesus! Sullied spoliers overflow. Unsullied beware. People are being careless.

  395. Andrew
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Personally I thought it was a great episode, but I’m really puzzled by that ending.

  396. Moët
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    yasha:
    Damn.Need to quote shakespeare:“Hell hath no fury like a woman scored…”

    That’s from Medea – the Greek play, by Euripides. Not Shakespeare. :)

  397. Zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    That wouldn’t have made sense at all.

  398. Ser Oberyn's Husband
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Here’s my concern about not showing at least the birth of LS. Will it have the same effect saving it for next season as it would if they had shown it on this season’s finale? Considering how hard most people took the RW, would it have killed Benioff and Weiss to at least show a scene of Cat/LS opening her eyes as the finale’s last shot.

  399. DjWeideman
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    Marco:
    People the finale was last week, this is a bridge episode. Unlike the other seasons this one is not about a single book. Damn some of you are just ….Freys.

    This. Relax, people. You know what is to come.

    Trust in Dan & Dave.

  400. ninabonita4
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why so many people are upset with it. Last week could have been the finale, but then we don’t have closure on all the other story arcs. I wasn’t expecting LS this season anyway. The whole RobbWind thing freaked me out though. D&D probably didn’t want to end on a cliffhanger because they’re splitting ASoS into 2 seasons so they didn’t need to end this season like they did the last two because we’re only half way there. I didn’t thing it was that bad. It was actually nice to have a hopeful ending for once.

  401. Ryan E
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:41 pm | Permalink

    tysnow: NoOne, It’s not the LS reveal that makes me bummed, it is how everyone is expecting a big “WOW” final scene like 1 and 2 and we get this major letdown of a last scene. The last scene of a season needs to be memorable, this one was a freaking long way off from being memorable.Anyway, looks like D&D are changing up the Greyjoy arc, will be interesting to watch. I for one want them to keep Balon, because Patrick is slamming it as Lord GJ. He is better than Vick or One Eye.

    I don’t understand this singular obsession over the very last scene of an episode with many scenes.

  402. Turncloak
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I liked that Sam gave Bran’s crew dragonglass. Really shuts up people about him dropping the dagger

  403. Greg
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    That was… a little disappointing, to be honest. I feel like the Red Wedding should have impacted the whole episode more. I wanted to see more people reacting to it, like Brienne and Jon and ESPECIALLY Theon. Amazing how heart-wrenching of a scene that would be!

    Speaking of Theon, I wonder where the show is going with the whole Yara-coming-to-his-rescue plot. Also, I really thought that Balon would die in this episode, but I guess not? Maybe that will happen in Season 4 and the Kingsmoot will be what brings Yara back to Pyke. I don’t know. All I know is, Balon Greyjoy is a DICK. Seriously. “He’s not a man anymore, what’s the point of saving him?” Ugh. Fuck you. I hated you enough in the books, but the show has multiplied your douchebaggery by 100000.

    I did think that the Ramsay/Reek reveal was AWESOME though. Although they aren’t putting enough emphasis on the fact that Ramsay don’t like bein’ a Snow. I feel like Theon should have yelled at him calling him a bastard or something and Ramsay should have… corrected him.

    The Mhysa scene wasn’t NEARLY as awesome as the books, but it was still pretty damn cool. And of course, the music was amazing.

    Joffrey’s temper tantrum was hilarious. The King’s Landing stuff was great on the whole, although I wasn’t crazy about Sansa and Tyrion being all buddy-buddy (even though at the same time I was like OMG BEST BUDS) but I don’t think that will continue much longer with the whole his-family-killed-her-family deal. I actually really liked the scene with Shae and Varys at first I thought they were setting her up to be Ros 2.0, but I’m glad they didn’t. Tywin and Tyrion’s scene was great too, Charles Dance owned that scene. Tyrion and Cersei’s scene was the best though.

    Why exactly did they have Jaime show up in KL this early if all they were going to have him do was awkwardly stand around for like a minute? The scene with him and Cersei was good, but I think they could have just had Jaime on the road for another episode, and shown his and Brienne’s reactions to the RW. I don’t think he should have showed up in KL just yet. Although the prospect of a Jaime/Oberyn scene does excite me.

    Davos/Stannis/Mel/Gendry stuff was great. Goin to the Wall!

    Bran’s stuff was solid too, and I’m glad they FINALLY introduced the importance of the guest right, although perhaps it’s too little too late. But still, the Rat Cook! And I knew Sam had more dragonglass! Woo!

    Jon’s stuff was cool, although I’m not totally sure how Ygritte found him, and I’m definitely not buying Jon surviving all of those arrows. I do think that Kit’s acting has drastically improved over the course of this series though. He’s always been very good, but he really seemed to give it his all in this scene.

    The Roose/Walder scene was interesting. It did come off as a little cheesy, but I loved Roose explaining what happened at Winterfell.

    I’m sure I’m missing some stuff, but overall, it was a decent enough finale, just not as emotional and epic as I was hoping for. And I would’ve liked Stoneheart.

  404. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    BOOK READERS, can we please TRY to contain our disappointment about Lady Stoneheart and Cold Hands so it doesn’t turn into a SPOILER FRENZY for non book readers? Seriously. C’mon.

  405. geo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Hey no LS ever she is history, otherwise we would have seen her tossed in the drink, although they could toss her in recap season 4

  406. GeekFurious
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    I think this is an episode made for the unsullied. And the apologists who can’t handle seeing criticisms.

  407. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    Yeah! What about it? The soundtrack, with its eerie tone at the end of “Mhysa” and no “For the Realm”….what a tease! It was a shame to lead us on so! I had myself so convinced we’d see Nymeria too…. :-)

  408. mimi
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    I think D&D meant the ending with Dany to be heart warming and beautiful, but it just…..missed…the mark, somehow. Did you notice – the (former) slaves were just standing there very stiff with their arms straight down their sides…….it looked odd. They did a lousy job of showing emotion and that made the ending very blah.

    Loved the rest of the show, though. LOTS of detailed info really crammed in.

    REEK!

    Hodoooooorrrrrrrrr…………ooooooorrrrrr!

    Ya know, after the RW episode, just about anything would be a bit of a let down…..IMHO.

  409. Zack
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    I have to say that Dan and David are doing a phenomenal job adding new material. The Hound and Arya, Varys and Shae, and the Greyjoy scenes were all great additions. I’ve missed Yara and Balon. I’ll be thrilled to have future seasons have a larger Greyjoy influence!

    eta: I meant to write in Roose and Walder as another example. What a fucking pair those guys make.

    I think the guy who plays Roose has been beyond perfect.

  410. JoeSNow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    its an adaptation of the books…. LS was at the end of the book…… HM meaning it will be at the end of season 4… GET OVER IT

  411. Shmurb
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Ryan E,

    Well, from a TV watching standpoint, the last scene is typically the one that sticks most in your mind after viewing. To a lot of people it really colours their overall perception of what they just watched because it’s the freshest thing in your mind. When you’re at a season finale, this is amplified because you’re aware it’s the last thing you’ll see for some time. So the last scene does have a certain psychological effect on how you look back at the season, for most people. It does require some punch, for me it didn’t have it, but I’m happy if it worked for others.

  412. Ned's Head
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    This was a real “we shot our wad in episode 9 and are just running out the clock” effort by D&D. And not just because of the lack of a big reveal. It because of what was put in place of a big reveal.

    No Balon death. Replaced with dick in a box and Ramsay making dick jokes with a sausage.
    No Stoneheart or Nymeria with the body. Replaced with boring Walder Frey victory lap and Bolton’s Winterfell This New House dreams.
    No Coldhands. Replaced with dumb Ygritte scene. How come Tormund didn’t catch up to Jon too? Does Ygritte have magic legs like Lt. Dan?
    Plus extra Tywin stuff encouraging his son to rape a girl. Yay! And more Shae nonsense, just what we needed.
    And amazingly, Robbwind looked better in the photo than on the show. The photo made you thing they were march him creepily through the camp, instead we get giant head jerking around like clown bop bag.

    The awfulness knows no bounds. Worse GoT episode ever. Maybe that was the goal, so the boring Feast stuff seems interesting by comparison?

  413. Hawk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Ygritte just comes across Jon Snow…no other Wildlings around…f-ing brilliant…she doesn’t shoot him in the leg so she can shoot him full of arrows like that…

    this show is for goobs…D&D = goobs…

    awesome crowdsurfing at the end…awesome we don’t see Yasha all season and now she suddenly back to go rescue her baby brother…storytelling at the level of dumb, dumber, and dumberest…those two hacks couldn’t find their own dicks if GRRM didn’t give them a roadmap first…

  414. wycoff
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Sam,

    I’m a book reader, and I thought that the episode was great. The Bolton-Frey and Pyke scenes were fantastic, as were the Tywin scenes. The Reek scene was intense. I actually like Jojen Reed (something that the books never made me do). The ending wasn’t spectacular, but the rest of the episode more than made up for it. Plus, I hope that they ditch LS anyway, so no LS was a plus for me (though a surprise).

  415. sati
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    You don’t even see people upset about Robbwind because it was so poorly done and rushed people probably didn’t even register that. What a waste.

  416. Pablo Jainaga
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    EricOF:
    Too early for LS. Can’t introduce her one episode after Cat dies. Much bigger impact next season if they do it at all.

    Sure, problem is non-readers have almost a full year ahead of them and they will for sure be spoiled about LS. It will be hard to avoid.

  417. JoeSNow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    geo,

    are you stupid or just stupid?

  418. Leofric
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Michel:
    what is the point of that shae/varys scene? curious..

    I think this is setting up Shae betraying Tyrion. At the end of the conversation she thinks Tyrion sent Varys (I think its all Varys idea) and that he wants to get rid of her but was too chicken to tell her himself.

  419. Lin Beifunk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Sam,

    I get what you’re saying, but it’s about the set-up, in my opinion. Something to get us amped up and hold through until next season. Whether or not it comes down to nothing is a whole different matter — we’re not looking to be amped up again at episode one of the next season; we have new episodes every week.

    I didn’t care whether it ended with LS or Reek Reek It Rhymes With Meek or Stannis marching to the Wall or Jaime and Cersei having period sex for ten minutes, I just wanted a “wow!” factor. Dany, her army, and some freed slaves still not on their way to Westeros? Not really big. Not really making people want to see what happens with her, but, of course, I can only speak for myself.

    I love this show to death — seriously, to death! lol — but since the beginning I’ve had a prediction. It’s this: if the show declines — it may not, but if it does — it will be because Dany sits around and thinks and cries about her dragons for two+ years. It’s not because of the lack of action or whatever, because I like shows and books that take their time, so normally I’d enjoy her post-ASoS story. The decline, then, might come from the fact she’s interacting with characters we don’t really give a shit about. While she’s dodging the Nth assassination attempt from Ssfsyz no Sferas and the Purple Vagina, she could have been trying to win Stannis/KL/the NW/the Starks/etc over to her side or annihilate them, depending.

    So I guess in a way the finale is a set-up, because it’s a set-up for the blah de doo that is her storyline for the next whenever. Although I completely take this back if, in TWoW, crazy interesting shit starts happening with her.

  420. Hawk
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Fourth Of His Name,

    FFFFFF that…you don’t want to be spoiled, STAY OFF THE FUCKING INTERNET!!!

    here’s a spoiler for you: D&D are hack opportunists!!!!

  421. Starkgaryen
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Huge fan of the show and books and will still keep watching of course.

    I’ve either loved or at least enjoyed every episode game of thrones has produced thus far.

    Honestly, this one was a huge letdown. I thought the dialogue was terrible and the scenes built up to nothing.

    Still strong season overall but kind of a wtf finale for me

  422. fuelpagan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Sorry, but I just don’t think that was a very good finally. Lady Stoneheart would have had people talking again and would have been a good cliff hanger wandering what she would do now she is back. The Arya scene was good and the head swap was ok. But For the first time with this show I’m rather disappointed. They failed to set the hook after catching the worlds attention last week.

  423. GhostCR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think it was terrible… in fact I really liked all the storylines except the last scene. It reminded me how, from that point onward in the books, I started to get really bored and pissed with Daenerys’ arc. I would have liked to listen Jon’s account of what was coming, because, you know,… it IS coming like right behind him… But, hey, that’s my thing. .
    However, I understand they needed to show where each contender for the Iron Throne is after the RW. That was a massive change for everybody else.

  424. NewJeffCT
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    JoeSNow:
    its an adaptation of the books…. LS was at the end of the book…… HM meaning it will be at the end of season 4… GET OVER IT

    +1 on that. I had expected to get LS as the finale to Season 4 – the big HOLY $#!T moment as the season closes.

  425. Dragolf
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Okay so how did Tyrion know the manner of the Starks’ death without being told? All he saw was the cryptic message, heard they were dead, and then pieced it together out of thin air. HOW?

    And why didn’t anyone say something like, “they’re calling it the Red Wedding….” Those two words have not been uttered in the show, yet everyone knows what it’s called because of the book/fan following. Technically, no one should be calling it the Red Wedding because it hasn’t been presented in the show yet.

    That council meeting was way too short and offered little to no information.

    How do the wildlings not know of the tunnel under the wall? In the books it made sense, only a man of the Nights Watch could unlock the Gate of Magic or whatever, but in the show it is a big ole gaping HOLE, literally and plot-wise.

    How is it not a big deal that Sam is back at Castle Black and their Lord Commander is dead and the Nights Watch is in mutiny? It must have happened off-screen but dang, that is HUGE NEWS and no one is talking about it or reacting! They just skipped over all of that. Why?

    OMG the Dany crowd surfing was wayyyy cheesy.

    I was really hoping for another Bran dream with Sean Bean making an appearance or something exciting, or Lady Stoneheart, you know?

    Arya kicking ass was amazing.

    The Jon and Ygritte moment was heart-breaking!

    Davos was fantastic, and he used to be one of my least favorite book characters.

  426. Moët
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    The Unsullied I watched it with said, “OMG, what about Jon?!? I have to wait until next year to find out if he’s alive or not!??! No way!”

    Kind of an awesome cliffhanger.

  427. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    JoeSNow,

    That is not the scene many were desiring. The epilogue is a Frey and LS and BwB scene. The scene that many were hoping for was the LS resurrection by Thoros/Beric, which was only passively mentioned in the books….but makes good television.

  428. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    I doubt Lady Stoneheart will be in the TV adaptation and I expect an announcement of some kind very shortly to state that.

    GRRM or D&D need to put the Lady Stoneheart discussions to rest because it really seems to have become a huge distraction… Reminds me very much of Ros scenes.

    I’m sorry to everyone who had their hearts set on getting to see Lady Stoneheart but the show goes on just fine without her…

  429. Jambo
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    People saying that not having LS in this episode will ruin the surprise for next season: They managed to hide Drogo’s return in the s2 finale really well, why can’t they do the same again? If it’s just for one scene, seems easily do-able.

  430. Ashara D
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    Shan:
    For a show that’s worried about catching up to the books too quickly, they sure are chucking a lot of interesting material into the trash. Tywin and Tyrion and Cersei all have meetings with Jaime when he gets home that are complex and interesting and sad. They’re also pretty funny (Tyrion’s response to seeing Jaime’s hand is to crack up laughing; Tywin doesn’t even notice it for like ten minutes because he’s doing the thing where he doesn’t look up from the letter he’s writing). I like a lot of the changes that they’ve made — I get that they’re thinking about the big picture — but those scenes would have made great TV.

    And who’s to say that all of this won’t be in next season? Look how long we waited for Arya’s drop-the-coin ruse. D & D have managed to squeeze stuff in in unexpected places, and as a Sullied, I’m loving not knowing what is coming next. Bring on the Martells! Have faith.

    Thanks everyone at HBO, etc. for making excellent television!

  431. ninabonita4
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Why is it the Walking Dead can provide great finales AND be back on the air 6 months later? HBO should hire some of those folks.

    That’s easy. HBO goes to 3 different countries a season, they are big budget, they’re CGI heavy, and lastly, HBO is pay cable so the longer it takes to finish a season the more people will want to see it and then more people will subscribe. If that makes them more money then HBO is definitely going to do that.

  432. EricOF
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    GoT,

    It wouldn’t make any sense and would cause more confusion than anything. Not the time.

  433. Ryan E
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Shmurb: Ryan E, Well, from a TV watching standpoint, the last scene is typically the one that sticks most in your mind after viewing. To a lot of people it really colours their overall perception of what they just watched because it’s the freshest thing in your mind. When you’re at a season finale, this is amplified because you’re aware it’s the last thing you’ll see for some time. So the last scene does have a certain psychological effect on how you look back at the season, for most people. It does require some punch, for me it didn’t have it, but I’m happy if it worked for others.

    Yeah, I guess it just seems weird to me that one scene out of 10 hours of a show is so disproportionately important. I don’t think of it any more than the episodes or earlier scenes from this one.

  434. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe so many people are crapping on this episode because the final scene wasn’t a shocking cliffhanger. I admit I didn’t like the final scene, but I don’t like Dany to begin with. They nailed every other scene in this episode with the exception of Jaime’s arrival in KL, I was surprised at the short Jaime scene. I was expecting a Brienne reaction to the RW. I thought they could have scrapped the Shae-Varys scene and the Tyrion-Cersei conversation. Bran’s scenes were interesting for once. So were Sam’s. Jon is back at the Wall and the old gang is back together. BTW, interesting that both Jon and Dany were picked up and carried in their final scenes this season, though for different circumstances.

  435. Stacia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m a little underwhelmed with the episode as a season finale but it did wrap up the season nicely. There were great individual scenes, but it didn’t have the excitement leading into the next season or a OMG kind of moment.

    As a book reader who’s not all that thrilled with Dany’s plotline, maybe I see the end a little differently. For the unsullied, maybe they’re looking forward to Dany being a hero coming into Westeros and taking out the Lannisters, Boltons and Freys and turning the Twins into a new Harrenhal with her dragons next season. They might be waiting much much longer.

    I’m really surprised about LS consider how much time was devoted to explaining Beric being resurrected. I guess that will be the big moment at the end of the season 3 premiere.

  436. Zaprowsdower
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Leofric,

    I think you are right and I think it’s unneeded. I’m confused with what they are doing with her.

  437. Natali
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually happy we didn’t get Lady Stoneheart. It was way way too soon and would look like a major cop out. More interested in the change to Yara saving Theon and no mention of a Arya/Ramsay wedding.

  438. Dark Star
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Am I misremembering, but wasn’t there some reason Sam couldn’t tell Bran about Jon in the books? Or something like that?

    Shit, I need to read again during the long, cold off season.

  439. tysnow
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Now that I have gotten how I hated that last scene out of my system, the great and really good parts of episode 10…..in no particular order….

    1) Arya actually seeing Robbwind, the look in Maisie’s eyes, heart wrenching.
    2) Ninja Arya, awesome.
    3) The scene(s) in the Nightfort
    4) The Tyrion/Sansa walk in the garden, that was genius and funny.
    5) Sam/Gilly and Aemon.
    6) Poor Jaime….Cersei didn’t run up to hug and/or kiss him, perhaps it will start sinking in next season.
    7) We have our Reek, and now all the unsullied know who Ramsey is.
    8) Of course the council meeting and the Tywin dressing down that dweeb of a grandson gets my vote, no contest (well perhaps Ninja Arya came close) as the best scene in episode 10.

    PS: I said it before, looks like D&D are gonna change the Greyjoy arc. We have three awesome GJ’s, we don’t need any more. Besides my Red woman Mel, said as much, the war of the kings is a moot point now.

  440. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    mimi,

    the last scene was a total fail…i don’t usually comment on blogs but I am so disappointed with the last scene that i just had to. loved the episode except for the last scene…felt like going to a justin bieber concert with my niece.

  441. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think ending 2/3 seasons with Dany necessarily means she “wins” in the end. I think they wanted a happy hopeful end after the RW. Book readers are split on Dany but a lot the show only people seem to be rooting for her. A happy ending did seem a little off and I would have preferred the episode to end on Dragonstone, but it did make some sense to end on Mhysa.
    I really don’t get why people are pissed that this episode wasn’t action packed. What were people expecting? The PW or the battle at the wall? They needed to step back and set up season 4.

  442. Ned's Head
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    How would they write Stoneheart off the show? That ruins the BwB, Jamie, and Brienne’s story for the next 2 seasons.

  443. Spryte
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    sati,

    You’re right, and the scene was so dark and unclear. I had to explain to my Unsullied friend that it was actually Greywind’s head on Robb’s body being paraded around, to which she said “oh” and shrugged off. A missed opportunity at a great moment there.

  444. Sean B
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    I definitely enjoyed most of the episode, since it wrapped up so many storylines. I just felt they could have cut out a scene or two to include a more supernatural ending. Season 1 ended with dragons, Season 2 ended with white walker army, and now Season 3 ends with… Dany crowd surfing?

    The last 5 minutes were indeed an anti-climax, which doesn’t really leave the viewer wanting more, compared to previous finales.

    Things I liked though:
    Davos giving Stannis the message from the NW.
    Robbwind (well I didnt “like it” but I’m glad it was included)
    Sam and Bran meetup
    Jon and Ygritte breakup
    Jaime and Cersei reunion tease
    Tywin telling Joffrey its bedtime
    The Greyjoys are back, plus Reek. Was expecting the bridge to collapse at Pyke
    Arya and the Hound…

    The list could go on, the good things far outweigh the dull ending.

  445. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    people are not upset with the episode…just the last scene…which is so lame…over the top lame.

  446. Sam
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Lin Beifunk,

    it will be because Dany sits around and thinks and cries about her dragons for two+ years.

    If you think that that is all that happens in Dany’s storyline from here on out, I humbly request you go give ADWD another read. Think about how this show structures itself. In Essos, it’s going to have book POVs from Ser Barristan and eventually Tyrion to work with, as well as scenes they’ll likely invent for people like Grey Worm, Jorah and Missandei. There’s a lot going on around Dany in ADWD, and while we spend most of it in her head when she’s clearly preoccupied with things that don’t seem as important to us, there is plenty of political intrigue, which this show does well.

    If the show struggles, it won’t be because of the source material. D+D have made plenty of changes I’m not particularly comfortable with vis-a-vis the show going forward, but they have good material to work with. Their expansions on it have mostly gone well in my opinion; it’s the alterations that have been problematic. I think they’ll find those less and less necessary as the series progresses towards its endgame.

    But as far this final scene goes, if you think it’ll cost the show anything in the long run, you’re just being panicky.

  447. Clob
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Hmmm, you certainly can determine a lot about people by the way they comment. Sometimes I wonder if there’s even enough ‘there’ for some of them to look back and be a little embarrassed by what they wrote. Typically my answer is no.

  448. JamesL
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    A lot of people seem to think since we didn’t get LS that they are just saving her for next season but I think it means we probally won’t see her in the show. It is a very minor role that doesn’t even speak, do you think Michelle Fairley would want to play that? If they were going to have her be part of the show they would have shown her in the season finale.

  449. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Aft reading many of the comments I think I enjoyed the finale more than some because I never for a second thought the PW would be this season and I did not expect either Coldhands or Stonheart in the finale.

    The only arc I would have paced differently the entire season was Jaime and Brienne. I think the bear pit should have been in episode 9 or 10. Outside of Kings Landing all of the other arcs had such obvious end points that it was almost a foregone conclusion as to where they would end.

    So in my mind, th large majority of disappointed viewers are book readers who expected specific scenes/ events or characters in the finale were disappointed.

    This year was stronger than Season 1 or Season 2 overall to me. It still had weak points (Robb and Theon), but to a large degree it solved the series previous weak points of Dany and Jon.

  450. Anonymous
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Here’s a question:

    Does anyone know if Michelle Fairley is signed for next season? I think she originally signed for 3 seasons (per one of her interviews last week), so one possibly logical explanation for no LS is that they haven’t negotiated an extension yet. The showrunners cannot commit to a character being on the show if they haven’t signed the actor. Resurrecting Catelyn in Ep 10 of Season 3 and not getting her for Season 4 leaves them with a major plot hole to write around. And for that matter, who’s to say Michelle wants to play a practically mute revenge zombie, even if she does have time for it (though I’ve always imagined that they will change LS to make her fully vocal so Michelle has better dialogue than LS in the books, and that the scene where Beric reveals one of his prior deaths was by throat slitting sets that up). Don’t get me wrong, I think the story is cooler and richer if we can get LS, but sometimes actor logistics can cause unwanted plot developments (see Abbey, Downton).

    End of ponderous rant. I loved the episode by the way, but agree the ending was a bit of a letdown (at least relative to my expectations, which involved the subject matter of the prior paragraph).

  451. wycoff
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Pablo Jainaga,

    Moët,

    It didn’t even occur to me that Jon Snow’s status could be considered a cliff hanger to those who haven’t read the books

    Just another reason why this was a very good episode.

  452. GhostCR
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Ser Oberyn’s Husband:
    Considering how hard most people took the RW, would it have killed Benioff and Weiss to at least show a scene of Cat/LS opening her eyes as the finale’s last shot.

    I’ve seen this suggestions so many times this week, that if they would have done so… it would have not have such an impact, as many people were expecting it

  453. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Was I even watching the same damned episode as those who are slamming it? Seriously? It blew me away not for the big grand finalé but for all those wonderful little touches, when taken as a whole. We got a Shireen sighting (who’s more valuable to me than LS), Davos and Gendry’s heart-to-heart, Arya’s first kill (our little girl is growing up!) complete with the coin and Valar Morghulis, Sam…oh, dear, lovable Sam, Davos, in a sense, saving Stannis by saving Gendry and setting up that story line to come; the pork saussage and the gift Balon receives, someone starting to learn his name and so much more. My non-reader/non-watching wife poked her head in at the very end and was in tears at the MoshPitDany final scene.

    I don’t need CH, and I think D&D were wise in cutting him. Yes, I was expecting and wanted LS, but that storyline doesn’t need to be told now. Best to let people honestly believe there’s no one left alive fighting for the North and all hope is lost. Let it sink in then BAM. The reveal.

    I thoroughly enjoyed all little the book scenes and, when taken as a whole, it made me a happy Northman.

    THE NORTH REMEMBERS!

  454. Dragolf
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    EXACTLY. No one seemed to be reacting to the Red Wedding at all! THIS WAS A HUGE DEAL! Where is the outrage?!

    Why did Jamie get back to KL so soon? They’re catching up too quickly to the books.

    Greg:
    That was… a little disappointing, to be honest. I feel like the Red Wedding should have impacted the whole episode more. I wanted to see more people reacting to it, like Brienne and Jon and ESPECIALLY Theon. Amazing how heart-wrenching of a scene that would be!

    Why exactly did they have Jaime show up in KL this early if all they were going to have him do was awkwardly stand around for like a minute? The scene with him and Cersei was good, but I think they could have just had Jaime on the road for another episode, and shown his and Brienne’s reactions to the RW. I don’t think he should have showed up in KL just yet. Although the prospect of a Jaime/Oberyn scene does excite me.

  455. Shan
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Want to put five bucks on it?

    I’m not denying that they’ll have plenty of scenes between all four (which I am looking forward to!), but unless they pick up *exactly* where they left off, they won’t be reunion scenes. Jaime won’t have to worry about whether losing his hand means that his family doesn’t want him or need him anymore — he’ll know the answer to that question, for better or for worse, which is an enormous deal for him in terms of character development.

    I’m not denying that they could replace those scenes with something equally good, but I think the chance to get that specific moment in Jaime’s life into the show was a one-time-only thing, and they chose not to do it. That’s okay. They can choose not to do things. But I am a little disappointed about it.

  456. Porky
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    I liked the episode, but the last scene was a letdown. This is the third time they’ve done the Daenerys and her Dragons shtick. The first ended season one and the second came about midway through this season. I understand wanting to give us an uplifting moment, but that’s not how I feel. I feel like I just saw the rerun of the Best of Daeneryus Targaryen.

  457. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    I find myself at a total loss as to what everyone is complaining about. If your only complaint is “I wanted to see this and I didn’t get it,” well, you weren’t really watching the show, you were waiting for the book to be transcribed. Yes – I wanted to see LS but it’s ok.

    I mean, let’s think about the highlights of which there are many:

    –Bran’s great Rat Cook story, filling in a bit of the background on guest right, and illuminating Walder Frey a bit.
    –The Walder Frey/Roose Bolton creep-off where you get the Ramsey reveal.
    –Ramsey eating a gigantic goddamned sausage.
    –Varys. Varys Varys Varys. Twisting the knife even further with Shae, thus guaranteeing that by the time Tyrion is saying “Where do whores go?” he won’t be referring to Shae.
    –Everything from Davos in this episode, especially as how he now seems to just like to “hang around” with Shireen, who couldn’t be cuter.
    –Welcome “I forgot about those guys” appearances from Patrick Malahide as Balon and Peter Vaughan (!!) as Maester Aemon.
    –Everything from Cersei, and Tyrion, and another great Tyrion/Tywin conversation, one that nicely occupies the middle ground between Tywin’s “you’re my son” to end Season 1 and his “and I would sooner be devoured by maggots…” that opened up this season. Charles Dance was arguably the MVP this year, tho NCW gives him a run for his money.
    –Giving Lord Commander Mormont’s lines about “We didn’t raise this Wall to keep out men” to Sam, which worked really really nicely.
    –Arya and the Hound kicking some asses. Arya’s little FU moment by dropping the coin and stabbing the hell out of that one bastard.
    –No Coldhands. It’s fine. The character means little.

    And honestly? Sideways Glance Hodor was great, but Echo Hodor!!!! HOOODOOOOOOR!!!

    Remember, folks: D&D are playing a long game here. So will we see LS? Probably. Next year. Will Arya board a ship to Braavos? Probably. Next year. Will we see Balon Greyjoy get his? Probably. Next year. All next year. The Kingsmoot? That I’m less sure about now, but I doubt they leave it out. Truncated, maybe – hell, you can do it all in one scene or two, and then just have Victarion be the next other focus.

  458. WildSeed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Wow, where did 63 minutes go by, eh ?
    This episode was jam packed full of book familiars , and well paced at that.
    The viewer experienced grief, anger, frustration , amazement ,Hodor, go
    Jon go and a fuck yeah. I’m always greedy for more time and substance, but
    I’m quite relieved there wasn’t an over the top ending like the last 2 season
    finales. Viewers should be savouring the new morsels adding to season 4′s
    material

    Two of my favorite moments were Samwell and Bran’s meeting, the Tywin
    sending the king to bed. Close behind was maester Aemon and Pip’s return
    and Stannis’s reappearance. Melisandre’s character still bears no interest
    to me until she emerges at Castle Black . Everything is moving so
    fast yet there is so much more to say.

  459. Dennis Plane
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    Why would they think that if they clearly showed he was still alive by addressing Pyp and Sam?

    Anyhoo..Ill reiterate I did think this was mostly a good episode, one that was clearly intended to set up the scenes/scenarios to come in S4. Thought Ygritte’s tears were masterfully done, I actually wanted to yell at Jon to hurry his ass back over to that pretty girl, despite the additional arrows he might have received.

    I agree with some of the others though; my biggest beef was simply with the last scene. Unfortunately (?) it seems that especially some of my female friends think Dany is the best thing since sliced bread, which is amazing since most of them hate fantasy generally, and she is arguably the character that thus far has had the most continued exposure to fantasy elements. Guess it must be that whole girl power thing ;-)

    To me the scene indeed felt very cheesy, and kind of out of place. The jump between the rather somber emotions throughout the episode to Ms. Liberator and her pet dragons (don’t get me wrong..I don’t dislike her character) just felt..odd. Oh well. Overall it was an amazing season, just felt like it deserved a bit more impact in the last scene.

  460. Shock Me Sane
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    How could you possibly have PW in 5 minutes of screen time? It would have been a huge disservice. It will go down much more like Tyrion’s did, with a third of the episode devoted to it. You just can’t do that in a finale, where the entire point is to show where characters are headed next season.

    Plus, we’ve known for awhile that two major characters present at that event were being cast! You can’t say you are casting Mace Tyrell and then expect to explain how he wasn’t going to be present for when his daughter’s wedding to be going to be made “THE queen”.

    2/3 of the jurors of Tyrion’s trial aren’t even cast yet. It’s sort of important they are at the wedding unless you just want to go off into crazy deviation land. Especially considering that will be the main King’s Landing story arc next season.

  461. Mrs. H'ghar
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    ninabonita4:
    I don’t know why so many people are upset with it. Last week could have been the finale, but then we don’t have closure on all the other story arcs. I wasn’t expecting LS this season anyway. The whole RobbWind thing freaked me out though. D&D probably didn’t want to end on a cliffhanger because they’re splitting ASoS into 2 seasons so they didn’t need to end this season like they did the last two because we’re only half way there. I didn’t thing it was that bad. It was actually nice to have a hopeful ending for once.

    Well SOMEBODY agrees with this woman about having a smile at the end for a change! Was it perfect? No, remember folks, D&D wrap this stuff up MONTHS before we all start posting our “wish list” for what we want to see in the season/episodes. They couldn’t EVER fulfill everybody’s wishes, no matter how hard they tried. This season is supposed to be ONE HALF of the book, not the WHOLE thing, so it appears to this woman that they found the logical pausing point. That crane shot at the end was quite beautiful IMO, quite ethereal, Dany finally getting some love from the people for whom she takes so many risks!

  462. wycoff
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head:
    Arthur,

    How would they write Stoneheart off the show? That ruins the BwB, Jamie, and Brienne’s story for the next 2 seasons.

    I would argue that LS herself ruined the BwB storyline. Beric & Co were so much more interesting. Besides, LS cheapened the RW.

    Maybe D&B will turn Arya into the scourge of the Freys rather than do what she does in AFFC & ADWD. It will be a drastic change from the books, but they’ll need to do something to make books 4 & 5 filmable.

  463. Carlos Luna
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Please, everyone chill and stop comparing every single detail to the books, I have read them all twice, but surely we can’t expect every single Ðetail to be he same.

  464. Arthur
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Ned’s Head,

    I think D&D will handle the Lady Stoneheart scenes from the book the sameway they’ll handle the Strong Belwas scenes… By either merging them into a different character, changing them or deleting them all together…

    I wish LS was included in the finale with her zombie eyes opening up as well but it didn’t happen. How can they prolong this kind of reveal? They can someway I’m sure but I don’t think the TV series will have LS…

    I really hope D&D let the fanbase know soon so the constant debate about it will end so people can move on to talk about what the show actually did have happen.

  465. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    This. Exactly.
    I love and actually prefer the small moments of Game of Thrones and this episode was filled with them!

    Definitely not the worst episode of the series or the season IMO. … No the best either though. Although I don’t think ay finale (possible exception to the SEIRES finale) will ever be a season’s best episode.

  466. Mike
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Loved almost all of it.
    I thought the RobWind construction was exactly the way you’d expect a bunch of over-amped soldiers cobbling together body parts.
    The Sam/Gilly/Bran&Co crossing of paths was outstanding.
    I can’t understand the point of getting Jaime to KL only to show that he gets there. It introduces so many plot complications w/o really any point.

  467. WildSeed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:12 pm | Permalink

    Dark Star:
    Am I misremembering, but wasn’t there some reason Sam couldn’t tell Bran about Jon in the books? Or something like that?

    Shit, I need to read again during the long, cold off season.

    Bran made Samwell promise that Sam and Gilly didn’t see him. Perhaps this was
    to prevent Jon’s worry .

  468. Stella
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Cadeyrn,

    AGREED. Exactly what I thought. I loved the episode, right up until the ending and then I realized nothing was happening after the “Mhysa” part.

    I still love the finale BUT it could have been EPIC with just a minute to show us what we have been waiting for…

    The North Remembers. STARKS Forever. ARYA rules. And so does Jon Snow.

    See you next year.

  469. WildSeed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    This is why they should have had the PW for the season finale.They should have went out with a bang.

    Many get spooled that way, same ole expectations. Each time the ” bang factor ”
    rides on the last scene, becomes formulaic .

  470. Darquemode
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Mike,

    Agreed.
    Honesty, Jaime arriving back in KL and then saying hi to Cersei felt like it was tossed in because they had not had a Jaime scene in a few episodes and wanted a wrap up moment to remind the audience.

  471. PatD
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Like Dany and her dragons in the final scene haven’t become formulaic?

    I hope Alan Tayor does the last episodes next year. That’s all I’m going to say. I don’t even want to talk about it anymore.

  472. maia
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    okay, i think i’ve recovered from my big disappointment from that last cheesy scene….and now the long wait for S4 begins……hope they don’t end S4 with another Dany winning moment.

    I’m looking forward to S2 of “The Newsroom” and premier of “Crossing Lines”

  473. Shock Me
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:23 pm | Permalink

    DavyJones,

    What big reveal last year? The White Walkers? We only saw one all season and Sam killed him. How was that scene at the Fist of the First Men last season EVER paid off in this season?

  474. WildSeed
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    I have to say that Dan and David are doing a phenomenal job adding new material. The Hound and Arya, Varys and Shae, and the Greyjoy scenes were all great additions. I’ve missed Yara and Balon. I’ll be thrilled to have future seasons have a larger Greyjoy influence!

    eta: I meant to write in Roose and Walder as another example. What a fucking pair those guys make.

    I think the guy who plays Roose has been beyond perfect.

    I’m relieved Roose punctuated Brynden Tully’s escape for the audience’s sake.
    Roose did a good job summarizing the fateful events of Winterfell, and Theon’s
    actions undermining Robb in ways he hadn’t realized. In the future, you’ll
    get what’s coming to you , leech lord.

  475. Cadeyrn
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Maybe… maybe the show just ran out of cash for Season 3? There was some really big storytelling going on. Still, liked the point above about “setting the hook.” Missed. Going to lose viewers because of that, have to rebuild.

    If they were really, really, really clever, they would do a “director’s cut” of S3 Ep. 10 and play it next season before S4 Ep. 1. Or during the late summer or holiday season. But… that’s really, really, really wishful thinking.

    For those who maintain the reveal of LS in S4 will somehow be a big payoff, please explain? People are still raw now, this week from last week’s RW. By next April (or more like June) all of that sentiment will be gone and it will look like tawdry manipulation. I guess I want my tawdry manipulation now. A year from now, I don’t see how it will have any effect at all.

  476. Stella
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:32 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    It’s actually a quote from William Congreve’s play “The Mourning Bride” (1697)

    “Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned.”

    Often mis-attributed to William Shakespeare.

  477. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    PatD,

    Agreed…a GoT season-finale ending on an uplifting note with Dany (again)? That was definitely not the theme of this dark season. To quote a character who did embrace the look-and-feel of season 3 very well…
    “If you thought this was going to have a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention!”
    Not a season killer, but D&D missed an opportunity here, IMHO.

  478. tdraicer
    Posted June 9, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know why anyone thought LS would be at the end of this season rather than next season (which is where she appears in the book). In any case,

    >I loved it. Don’t know what everyone else watched because I thought it was just about perfect.

    I saw the same episode you did. Great end to a great season.

  479. Shock Me
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    I actually loved the Mhysa scene but had issue with the staging. Why is everyone outside the city? Why are the gates so thin? Where are Gentle Masters of Yunkai? Do they plan on occupying the city now that they sacked it? Also the very short crowd surfing was odd. But that shot from above with all the hands stretched to her and the scene with her smiling and Jorah looking dumbfounded yet again. Those were classic epic awesome with carts full of awesome.

    I also loved the Sam scenes perhaps more than any I have seen from him before. And the final shot of Ygritte as she cried as she shot at Jon. (Where was Tormund?)

    I was a bit surprised Jaimie showed up so early and not at the Sept of Baelor. But I’m willing to see where that goes since I’m not sure what he can do to change anything in his current state.

  480. Shock Me
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Although I liked the recombined Arya scene with the coin that should have been at Harrenhall, I will always miss that it wasn’t the Tickler but since the long torture trip to Harenhall never happened on screen it wasn’t much motivation.

    Nice scene though although she should have put her accent on the “man” part.

  481. The Lightning Lord
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Natali,

    There’s no point of having a Ramsay/Arya wedding at this point as Sansa is still in King’s Landing and so is still married to a Lannister. Jamie visited Kings Landing AFTER Joffrey was killed at the wedding where Sansa escaped, so I wager we’ll see fake Arya sometime after the wedding.

  482. Addie
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    The Starks did get one small moment and that was arya an the hound taking out some Freys.

    Probably one of my favourite scenes this episode. Especially since arya managed to keep it cool when she first approached instead of flying into an immediate rage.

  483. Julie Rohrer
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 12:46 am | Permalink

    I really wanted to see some payback for what happened last week. I also almost lost it when I saw the time was 10 minutes until the end of the show and there was no Jaime and no Danny yet. Varys and Shae really could have waited until March and Bran could have talked faster…LOL

  484. Grace
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    Is it just me or did the ending felt so underwhelming??? I am bored to death with Daenery’s storyline. I was really convinced that LS last scene. Even my non-reader friend and boyfriend said the season endings of GOT usually has that WTF moment on the last episode…

    lets just say this episode didn’t made me clamor for more.

  485. Moët
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 2:39 am | Permalink

    Mrs. H’ghar:
    Yes, a woman was a bit sad not to see a few things, but otherwise this was an incredible season ending. How often can one say that they ended a GoT season with a smile after all? Sheesh…some people are NEVER going to be satisfied! YES, a woman would have like to have seen the PW, Arya retrieving Needle and having a Nymeria dream where we see the introduction of LS,but you can’t have everything folks, not in GRRM’s world. That was a good place to pause till next season, and there still is plenty of mystery regarding how many things will turn out even if it wasn’t like last season’s Sam behind the rock scene. Bravo D&D, cast, and crew! Bravo!

    I completely agree!

  486. Heidi
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 2:51 am | Permalink

    Tonights show was good,last week was better, this season was way better than season 2 thats for sure all in all GoT is by far the best show on TV/CABLE ” MAISIE is AMAZING”

  487. Darquemode
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 3:53 am | Permalink

    Addie,

    Plus, the manner in which Arya killed her Frey soldier was not entirely dissimilar to how Lame Lothar killed Talisa. She set him up around a dinner table (campfire n ths case) and then stabbed him viciously and repeatedly.

    Arya’s rage taken out on the Frey was almost like the audience stabbing him repeatedly. It was Viewer vengeance by proxy! XD
    Personally, I thought it was the perfect payback!

    More visceral payback than if UnCat opened her eyes. She is stronger vengeance for sure, but it comes by repeated killings over time. Arya’s vengeance was immediate..

  488. Suzaku
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Addie,

    Plus, the manner in which Arya killed her Frey soldier wasnot entirely dissimilar to how Lame Lothar killed Talisa. She set him up around a dinner table (campfire n ths case) and then stabbed him viciously and repeatedly.

    Arya’s rage taken out on the Frey was almost like the audience stabbing him repeatedly. It was Viewer vengeance by proxy! XD
    Personally, I thought it was the perfect payback!

    More visceral payback than if UnCat opened her eyes. She is stronger vengeance for sure, but it comes by repeated killings over time. Arya’s vengeance was immediate..

    The murder is actually taken almost exactly from her first kill in the novels, from the end of Clash of Kings, when she escapes Harrenhal.

    She could see the gleam of steel under the fur, and she did not know if she was strong enough to drive the point of the dagger through chainmail. His throat, it must be his throat, but he’s too tall, I’ll never reach it. For a moment she did not know what to say. For a moment she was a little girl again, and scared, and the rain on her face felt like tears.

    “He told me to give all his guards a silver piece, for their good service.” The words seemed to come out of nowhere.

    “Silver, you say?” He did not believe her, but he wanted to; silver was silver, after all. “Give it over, then.”

    Her fingers dug down beneath her tunic and came out clutching the coin Jaqen had given her. In the dark the iron could pass for tarnished silver. She held it out… and let it slip through her fingers.

    Cursing her softly, the man went to a knee to grope for the coin in the dirt and there was his neck right in front of her. Arya slid her dagger out and drew it across his throat, as smooth as summer silk. His blood covered her hands in a hot gush and he tried to shout but there was blood in his mouth as well.

    “Valar morghulis,” she whispered as he died.

  489. gayle gunn
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    David The Grey,
    What about the Malazan – Book of the Fallen……

  490. Jock Lindholm
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    To me the show has lost its luster. There is no good guys left. As it says here, the lords of house stark has all died. there is no true leader of the good guys left. Now it suddenly turns to surviving the winter that is coming. Guess what, thats what Starks been saying “Winter is coming” and now whos there to defend the north? a traitor whos had no storyline, who is just an extension of the lannisters and who has no true honor.
    No, to me they can keep season 4 cause it has no appeal to me anymore.

  491. Lexyvil
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    It was a great episode, but I was only a bit disappointed with the ending scene. It was cheesy and executed poorly in my opinion. I’m sure the main reason that the final scene of the finale threw me off was because I was expecting much more than they showed. It would have been fresh to watch a scene that didn’t end with Dany again.

  492. Soxley
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    Heidi,

    I’m a big fan of GoT but breaking bad is the best tv programme out ATM the differences in the books and series for season 3 is a little drastic. Still such a great season makes up for season 2 a lot.
    Sandsnake:
    Predictions on the Yara stuff? If she is indeed on the Iron Islands for Balon’s funeral I will be paying close attention for any nods on what is to come next season. If there is even a hint of the Crows Eye I may actually jump out of my seat. If we see The Silence on the horizon I will be through the roof. I know people cant wait for Oberyn but for me the prospect of Euron Greyjoy making it to screen is just as exciting. Bring it on!

  493. JD
    Posted June 10, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    If any of you think even for a second that this show can go on without Stoneheart, you’re wrong.

    I know enough people that havent even finished the second season because of some of the changes they have made in the beginning of that season, and the lack of jon snow, im not a purist by any means, but scrapping LS would be going way too far and id quit watching right on the spot.. regardless of where her story is going she is important for other characters storylines going forward, however it looks like she has been cut, that was my first thought when she didnt scratch her face at the red wedding.. such a shame, and a waste, this show had potential once.. but it will never be as good as the first season EVER again

    Looks like im going to be signing off after next year, as after that there will be too many changes and no longer ASOIAF! I really, really hope im wrong though

  494. Michael Johnson
    Posted June 11, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Wow…looks like the entire population of westeros.org infiltrated this open chat…thank God Benioff and Weiss understand television even if the hordes of rabid book readers do not. I find the utter hypocrisy of most of the book fans hard to swallow since their complaints almost entirely revolve around the amount of departures the series takes from the literal events/characters/dialogue from the books, and yet the biggest complaints here are about a certain reveal that doesn’t even happen until the end of Book 3…and it has always been clear that the book would be split between seasons 3 or 4. Clearly, from a literalist standpoint, that reveal should NOT come until the end of Season 4…oh, but wait…we want it NOW…so we will start complaining that B&W DIDN’T deviate from the books, even making the utterly ridiculous claim that this is “no longer ASOIAF.” It is about to the point where the ludicrous nature of book lovers complaining about the series means I can no longer read these chats. Martin is a consultant on the show; clearly the creator of the book series has no issue with the changes being made – and since he has plenty of professional experience as a writer for television, I would imagine Martin knows a hell of a lot more about what makes good television than most of the book readers commenting here and on Westeros. Oh, and look…after this season, GoT is the second most watched show on HBO after the Sopranos. Watch it overtake the Sopranos next season…with or without your viewership.

  495. MagnarOfThenn
    Posted June 11, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Marco,

    a bridge episode????? umm its the f*cking finale, I never hate on DnDs adaptation but the way they ended it was BS, forget about LS, they could have ended it any number of ways. It was the biggest letdown for me in the entire shows history, no suspense or excitement or surprise, just real cheesey, and this is how they end the so called most important season of the series?? i feel honestly cheated and this is from someone who never criticizes the show ever.

  496. MagnarOfThenn
    Posted June 11, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Michael Johnson,

    why is it that no one is ever allowed to critisize the show? people are entitled to their opinion regardless, I don’t see how it has anything to do with you or why you have a problem with that. The one thing that is more annoying than trolls coming here to blast the show are people who act like the show is a person related to them and jump down anyones throat who has the audacity to say they didn’t like or enjoy something about the show as if its blasphemy. Its a television show, people can review anyway they want, if they didn’t like it then they didn’t like it, simple as that, worry about if you liked it, and let other people have their opinion

  497. MagnarOfThenn
    Posted June 11, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Atboz,

    no way she is cut from the series all together, so you can forget that, you gotta realize how important her character is

  498. David The Grey
    Posted June 13, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    gayle gunn: What about the Malazan – Book of the Fallen

    I actually wouldn’t mind a show about that, because I’ve tried to read the first book and couldn’t get into it at all. A TV show might make it more accessible…


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