Filming dates and new location in Croatia confirmed
By Ours is the Fury on in Filming, Production.

SplitAn extras casting notice from Embassy Films appears to provide filming dates for season 4 of Game of Thrones in Croatia, and confirms the city of Split as a new location for next season.

According to the notice, filming will occur this summer in Dubrovnik from August 20th through September 20th. Shooting of the show will shift to Split from September 20th through October 10th.

Split is a coastal city, located on the Adriatic Sea and home to the palace of Emperor Diocletian, a UNESCO World Heritage site.

Ours is the Fury: I’m curious as to why they’re moving to Split this year, which about 140 miles from Dubrovnik – not a simple day trip but a complete move of the production.


135 Comments

  1. Javi Marcos
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    What place will be Split?

    I have sincerely no idea.

  2. sawyer
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Braavos?

  3. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    … Sunspear?
    Nah

    Edit: Maybe Meereen or Braavos?

  4. Paul Blackfyre
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Probably King’s Landing too.

  5. Caro H
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Already excited!! It would be cool if Split was for dorne

  6. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Paul Blackfyre:
    Probably King’s Landing too.

    It doesn’t look much like King’s Landing, and it wouldn’t make much sense to go so far away only for sets that most likely could be found in Dubrovnik anyway. But hell, what do I know? You may very well be right.

  7. Lex
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Dorne. So much for POC.

  8. Villane
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Gotta be Braavos or Sunspear. City doesn’t look anything like the look they’ve established for Slaver’s Bay.

  9. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Im going to guess that Split will be for Bravos although my heart is hoping for Dorne. Im expecting Meereen to be filmed in Morocco if they are going back to film there this year.

  10. Turncloak
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    For thing that jumped to mind was Braavos

  11. The Rabbit
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    The rumours of Split as another film location have beena floting for a while.

    The soon I heard of it – I started to think of the possible location.
    I ll give you few info on Split so we can speculate togheter.

    Split is the biggest and the most urban city in Dalmatia – it is not a medieval fortress as Dubrovnik or some other towns – it is built on the ancient roman town called Spalato.

    So my speculations were going in the direction to think what Split has and Dubrovnik has not to be useful in GOT.
    In the heart of the city there is old roman Diocletian palace.
    https://www.google.hr/search?q=dioklecijanova+pala%C4%8Da&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=a5PMUdKNGoahtAaxyIGoCw&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1024&bih=484

    In the middle of the palace there are many narrow streets: which could be used as Flea Bottom (as we know the Flea Bottom scenes in S3 were filmed in Morocco, not in Dubrovnik) so this one possibility.

    As they mention in the call they gonna film in Split and the surroundings. And I really do believe that the surroundings would be much in use than city itself.
    First comes to mind roman ruines of Solin (Salona).
    https://www.google.hr/search?q=salona&num=50&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=EZLMUfiMKITUtQavvoGIBQ&ved=0CEkQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=484#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=O_PsYL6QVHs8eM%3A%3Bm_xf3T8y5AoeGM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fhotelglobo.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F09%252FSalona.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fhotelglobo.com%252Fthe-antique-salona%3B833%3B600

    Am I the only one here who smells Dorne? lol

  12. mariamb
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Split is a coastal city, located on the Adriatic Sea

    Dorne, perhaps the Water Gardens. Hope so!

  13. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters:
    Im going to guess that Split will be for Bravos. Im expecting Meereen to be filmed in Morocco if they are going back to film there this year.

    But 20 days of filming is quite a lot of material for what can only be a couple of episodes’ worth of footage especially since that story will likely take a back seat next season.

  14. The Lightning Lord
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Alternatively, Dorne could be set in Morocco. It has the dunes, the desert landscape, and everything you would need for the “Agrabah”-like atmosphere.

  15. Ours is the Fury
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    It could very well be for additional King’s Landing shooting. I just though it was strange to move from Dubrovnik to Split. The cities look very similar. There’s no point in moving from one to another if they were doing it to achieve a different look. I wonder if they’re doing it maybe for a more practical reason, or if there is just a specific location within Split they’re looking to use.

    edit: okay I didn’t see Rabbit’s post. Yes, that’s the idea- specific locations like she’s saying.

  16. Jonathan
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    There will be no Meereen.

  17. The Rabbit
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Braavos is not bad idea – but there is no sea canals at all in Split. They should choose Trogir instead.

  18. Ivan Jurić
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    PRAISE R’HLLOR!! I LIVE IN SPLIT!!

  19. Turncloak
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    We should be able to tell what city it will be based on which actors are asked to go to Split

  20. Turncloak
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan,

    There will be Mereen. I’m pretty sure the location is already on HBO’s westeros map

  21. Jordan
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Looking at pictures of some of the buildings there, it reminds me of Venice- specifically, Venice at the height of the Venetian Republic.

    Which is to say, I can see it being used for Braavos and maybe doubling for Kings Landing as needed.

    I guess it could also be for Dorne, but it isn’t really what I think of when I think Dorne (in addition to what Lex mentioned).

  22. Nick Larter
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Had a look at the pics of Diocletian’s palace – House of Black and White surely? And how about Salona for fighting pits of Mereen

  23. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Ivan Jurić:
    PRAISE R’HLLOR!! I LIVE IN SPLIT!!

    Go be an extra. You won’t regret it!

  24. Wun-Wun
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I think we’ve got a little while before Bravos comes into play, I can see Arya getting on the boat to Bravos towards the end of season. If the architecture is different then it might be used for Dorne.

    I’ve got to admit I’m itching for some casting news on a certain Dornishman…

  25. Ivan Jurić
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    damn right i’ll be an extra. this is an opportunity i just can not miss!!

  26. Voiceareason
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Ivan Jurić,

    Lucky Bastard!

  27. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Ivan Jurić:
    Jentario,

    damn right i’ll be an extra. this is an opportunity i just can not miss!!

    When you do it, make sure to hint to us which location it is in the story. You may well get to witness Oberyn vs Gregor, which would be quite awesome.

  28. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    This isn’t what I pictured for Dorne, and I doubt they’d spend that much time filming just for a few scenes in Dorne, which is unlikely to appear in season 4 anyway. My guess is it is just a new location for more King’s Landing scenes. If they go BIG for the Royal Wedding, then maybe there is a location that they feel will work better? Or perhaps they found a location that will work well for the Mountain vs Red Viper duel? It’s easy to see how they would add a new location for KL, as there will be a lot more scenes in that location than in S3.

  29. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Some beautiful locations.
    The casting notice is so vague that it does not really help to ID what scenes will be shot in Split.

    Without knowing the actual locations they are shooting it is hard to guess. Less that 2 weeks in Split is a rather short shooting period which leads me t think it I not a season long arc. Something that happens towards the end of the season could be Braavos.

    Maybe some place inside Meereen Dany does not see until later in her seasonal arc? It does not look similar to Qarth or Yunkai, but maybe they are giving Meereen a different look.

    I would not expect Dorne to need any filming time this season honestly, but I guess they could introduce more than just the Red Viper.

    Are there any new locations introduced in King’s Landing next season? I cannot recall the need for a new KL location.

    Color me intrigued…. and confused.

  30. Eljuma
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I suppose they’ll Split the KL scenes between there and Duvrovnik.

    (Sorry. I had to)

  31. Jonathan Loesche
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    I could see some filming in Split be for when Tyrion arrives in Pentos. They’ll need to find a new place to shoot Illyrio’s Estate since Malta is out of the question

  32. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’d not thought of the arena for the fight scene. Hmm..

  33. sunspear
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Wun-Wun,

    Arya only has two chapters left of ASOS material. I think she’s definitely going to need to reach Braavos this season without having her storyline ridiculously dragged out.

  34. Cary Storm
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Many more on-ship and harbor scenes? Just a thought… Or Meereen like darquemode says…

  35. The Dragon Demands
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    I also suspect Braavos.

    I doubt it would be Meereen, because otherwise, what was the point in having the rest of Slaver’s Bay in Morocco?

    Moreover, Braavos is supposed to be a lot like Venice. Granted Braavos is one of the more northerly Free Cities but it is surrounded by water so maybe that moderates things;

    anyway, my guess is that they wanted another Adriatic city but felt that they needed to show Braavos is different, so they didn’t just want to re-use Dubrovnik which they’ve established as King’s Landing.

    Moreover, Split apparently has some well-preserve Roman ruins (the Palace of Diocletian) which would serve the Renaissance Italy feel of Braavos.

  36. Tereeza777
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Maybe Split could be Braavos – and Diocletian’s Palace could be the House of Black and White.
    http://www.dalmatianet.com/images/stories/jreviews/388_palacio3_1242931001.jpg Whenever I think of Braavos and the possible return of Jaqen H’ghar – I always think of Arya searching for him in the alleyways of Ragman’s Harbour with Valar Morghulis or this music playing in the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUC8izazhyU

  37. The Dragon Demands
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan Loesche:
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink
    I could see some filming in Split be for when Tyrion arrives in Pentos. They’ll need to find a new place to shoot Illyrio’s Estate since Malta is out of the question

      

    The Maltese didn’t like all the nudity, right?

  38. Sean
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Sunspear?

  39. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Sansa’s escape?

  40. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777:

    Not to be a douche, but can’t believe of all the spoilers in your post you spoiler-tagged a harmless piece of speculation. People are unleashing spoilers quite frequently now, maybe WiC/OitF should post a warning for the Unsullied in the original post.

    EDIT: Ok, it seems you fixed it…

  41. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Maybe the PW will be outdoors and Sansa will escape through the streets instead of climbing down a cliff?

  42. Ivan Jurić
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    will do ;)

  43. Cary Storm
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Cary Storm,

    Sansa’s escape?

    I’m thinking at least this plus also perhaps Tyrion’s. That’s a lot of filming dates for just one event.

    Let’s not also forget there are going to be considerably different Yara sequences than before.

    Maybe even White Harbor

  44. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Paul Blackfyre,

    Not Kings Landing if they’re going to already do Dubrovnik for 3 weeks already. That’ll be Kings Landing. Obviously not the North or the Wall, or the Riverlands or Harrenhall.

    Could be Braavos, but don’t see them doing 3 weeks in another city for all of one scene. Could be Meereen and Braavos and Dorne all at once.

    By now others have suggested they could do it for additional Kings Landing scenes, which may also be true. Intriguing!

  45. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Eventually, this spot could be Oldtown. It must be too soon for that now though.

  46. Nick_Scryer
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    It will probably be an added location for KL scenes but also…

    Another thought I had was White Harbor, maybe Stannis will detour for a while (To pad his screen time if the Battle will in fact be ep9) to drop Davos off near White Harbor before getting to the Wall.

    It is a port city and most buildings are white (Besides the roofs). It’s probably a little too sunny and holiday-ish to pass as the North though, so CGI would be costly :)

  47. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I am in agreement to the idea that Meereen could be cut out (and should be)

    The conquest of Yunkai on the TV show was very much like that of Mereen in the books. Meereen plot is repetitve (conquering another city) Shift all of the Meereen plot into Yunkai. Meaning this season’s plot for Dany will mostly come from Dance. Season is about her ruling the city (and the unrest that follows) and her love interests… possibly ending with her deciding to marry Hizdar

  48. Selmy
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Split = Meereen ?
    Seems most likely to me. Possibly Braavos.

  49. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    My thoughts are that they could use this as a back drop for Braavos. It fits for what Arya has left to do in aSoS… which isn’t much. So her showing up in Braavos and deciding to enter the House of Black and White would make a good arc.

    There is not guarantee that we get Dorne and the Arianne plot this season or at all, but I am hoping that we do get it.

  50. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:

    Mark your spoilers…

  51. A-Gone
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Dorne. So much for POC.

    I’m happy you’re dissapointed.

  52. argilac's antler
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Jonathan,

    Then what will Daenarys be doing for the next two seasons?

  53. Nick_Scryer
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Oh shit! Sorry about that, I thought I did, but I’ve run out of edit time.
    Will have to wait for a mod to edit.

    You should un-quote me too btw.

  54. babar
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Permalink
  55. Summer Is Coming
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    I think that in Split will be filmed more KL material. I mean both Split and Dubrovnik are similar, and Dubrovnik is quite small and doesn’t have enough filming space (as we know they used that city in Marocco for KL also last year: Marg and the orphans scene, etc.) Kl is supposed to be huge and they can’t use the same places over and over.

    Dorne, imo is out of the question for 2 reasons: to early and not exactly… sandy.
    Bravoos: I guess, but again, to early, although a scene at the House of B&W with Arya in the season finale, is not excluded.
    Pentos: the most probable. Tyrion having dinner with Illyrio in Diocletian’s Palace -> Amzing!

    Again, I believe Split means more KL shooting places. But what do we know? :D

  56. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    Jentario,

    Oh shit! Sorry about that, I thought I did, but I’ve run out of edit time.
    Will have to wait for a mod to edit.

    You should un-quote me too btw.

    I will, thanks. Also, any Unsullied who’s read deep into the comments is begging to be spoiled, so there’s no harm done really…

  57. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    argilac’s antler,
    Episode 1 – We hear about the fate of Astapor falling into ruin and chaos. Dany decides to stay and regroup her forces within the walls of Yunkai. Perhaps secure her rule and to setup something for when she leaves.

    Episode 2 – Word that Mereen is marching on Yunkai with more sellswords. News of Deaths within the city. Sons of the Harpy. Begin meeting some of the surving Yunkish Wise Masters

    Episode 3 – Tensions between Jorah and Daario. Word that the survivors of Astapor are coming to Yunkai and the Pale Mare. More Deaths from the Sons of the Harpy.

    Episode 4 – Holding court. Bones of child. Dragons are chained.

    Episode 6 – Jorah kisses Dany. Dany sleeps with Daario.

    Episode 7 – More deaths. Pressuring from Yunkish to marry a Yunkish lord. Astapori survivors arrive. Setup camp outside of city.

    Episode 8 – Meereen arrives and starts the siege of the city.

    Episode 9 – Jorah’s spy history is revealed.

    Episode 10 – Agrees to marry Hizdar

    ——————
    Season 5 could just have Quentyn arrive (none of his whole back story on how he got to Meereen would be shot on screen) Dany marries Hizdar in Episode 6-7 (carried off by Drogon) and the season would end with either the Battle of Fire from Winds of Winter or end in a similar way that Dance ended.

    If the series goes only 7 seasons then this gets us to Winds and Dream in time and nothing has to be cut out… even for 8 seasons (then allows more time to focus on those 2 books which would be even better)

  58. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    My theory is that they flip flop Meereen and Yunkai. Meereen besieges Yunkai.

  59. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Unlikely in my opinion.
    Thematically I does not make sense to eliminate Meereen.

    Dany, Jon and Cersei all come into ruling at the same time basically. Their educations as new rulers are all on similar chronological arcs. Their stories most likely will be (and should be) kept on those arcs so the stories can mirror one another. Allowing viewers to compare and contrast the various styles of ruling and the problems associated with each style.

    Getting rid of Meereen eliminates the parallel aspects of their stories. I cannot see D&D losing that aspect after closing the finale last season with both of them being lifted into the air by their “people”…. Jon by his NW brothers an Dany by her new “children” or followers.

  60. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    I guessed there’d be filming somewhere in Croatia back in May. I feel good about myself.

  61. Nick_Scryer
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Love it. Changes are coming, and if this is the change…I will accept it. The story needs to move along, and this outline does that nicely.

  62. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    They can still use the city forBraavos if they want to go up to the point where Arya throws all her stuff in the water. And then just use a building there as an establishing shot for the city.

  63. Cary Storm
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    babar,

    So did Garlan and Willas Tyrell until S3 started (then they suddenly disappeared from the family tree).

  64. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Ahh, so flip them instead of eliminating Meereen altogether. Interesting.
    I don’t see the pay off personally, but something to think about!

  65. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    darquemode,

    There isn’t enough material for Dany in S4 to keep this all aligned… what is she going to do? Her conquest of Meereen doesn’t take very long in the books. Also this is something regarding non book readers… having her do another city and not progress any further towards Westeros for a full season is repetitve and frustrating.

    Also with the show runners seeming desire to keep the Show to 7-8 seasons… means streamlining. This streamlines and simplifies things nicely. Much rather have more screen time for WoW and DoS than getting bogged down in Dance/Feast.

  66. sunspear
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    A number of problems with this:

    Major and unnecessary changes like that will get book fans/purists mad.

    You’re getting Danaerys way to far ahead of everyone else’s plotlines.

    You have to explain why Danaerys is still staying in Meereen when she promised the Masters their lives.

    Jorah has to leave the city long before the siege starts.

  67. argilac's antler
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Laid out like that, it seems to work for me. Personally however, I’d like to see the slave corpses lining the road towards Meereen as it would show Daenerys the ugly consequences of her actions. She’s on such a high right now with her new found power and thinking she can end slavery so easily. Taking Meereen would seem repetitive especially if she takes it early on (similar to Astapor) but then she has the rest of the season to deal with the court intrigue and the sons of the harpy.

    I guess we can only see how things turn out when we get there.

    Edit: plus sunspear (the poster) brings up some interesting things to consider that could get messy if they sped up her storyline.

  68. Zeus
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been to Split and it does not fit Braavos. It’s got a nice harbor, a nice central plaza and Diocletians palace is one of the cooler places I’ve been to. It’s similar but different enough from Dubrovnik to probably be another part of kings landing.

    By the way visit Croatia if you can. It’s beautiful

  69. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Do you think that D&D care about making book readers angry? My outline actually keeps most of the plot points from the books. Which I actually doubt the show will do. The only real change is flip floping Meereen and Yunkai. Dany actually has one of the more rich storylines in Dance. Spreading hers out over 2 seasons is very doable. But for other characters you only need 1 season to cover Feast/Dance. Which will be S5… S6-S7 or S8 will be be Winds and DoS.

    As for Jorah… yes he probably should be removed earlier than I had… So that could be moved… it also could be glossed over in the TV show… like Littlefingers ability to travel across the entire continent so quickly… it is just a very rough outline that I offered up

  70. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Zeus:
    I’ve been to Split and it does not fit Braavos.It’s got a nice harbor, a nice central plaza and Diocletians palace is one of the cooler places I’ve been to.It’s similar but different enough from Dubrovnik to probably be another part of kings landing.

    By the way visit Croatia if you can. It’s beautiful

    Doesn’t matter if it fits it as is. Just if it’s close enough for them to work some magic to make it look like it. The people who work on the show are very talented and I think they could make certain things work if they really wanted to. Time for me to go on a little google maps trip…

  71. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    argilac’s antler,

    Completely agree about the slave’s pointing the way scene in aSoS… it is very haunting and one of the most cinematic scenes in the book. But… things are getting cut… we probably at most have 5 more seasons of the TV show left… and 4 1/2 books to get thru. I would much rather cut from Feast and Dance so we can get a fuller/complete picture of WoW and DoS

  72. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker:
    darquemode,

    There isn’t enough material for Dany in S4 to keep this all aligned… what isshe going to do? Her conquest of Meereen doesn’t take very long in the books. Also this is something regarding non book readers… having her do another city and not progress any further towards Westeros for a full season is repetitve and frustrating.

    Also with the show runners seeming desire to keep the Show to 7-8 seasons… means streamlining. This streamlines and simplifies things nicely. Much rather have more screen time for WoW and DoS than getting bogged down in Dance/Feast.

    1- Jorah kisses Dany (still in Yunkai), some slavers in Yunkai nail slaves to the city walls pointing to Meereen.
    2- Dany takes it as an insult and fears for the slaves of Meereen, so she decides to sack it (against strong judgement).
    3- no Dany
    4- Dany and co walking to Meereen, Dany and Daario
    5- Outside of Meereen, Dany decides to let Barristan fight the Hero of Meereen
    6- No Dany
    7- Deep into the siege, Dany finds out about Jorah’s betrayal and Barristan keeping info from her and, angered, decides to send them on a suicide mission.
    8- The sewer rats infiltrate Meereen, meanwhile Dany sleeps with Daario, Meereen is taken
    9- No Dany
    10- Dany decides what to do with Jorah, and breaks the love triangle

    There is definitely enough, and it is not entirely similar to season 3 either with the added themes of revenge (which should be a big one next season) and her choice between Daario and Jorah and her figuring out about his betrayal. They may also bring back Quathie, and she can give us some of the more important prophecies cut from the House of the Undying sequence (three betrayals shall you know…).

    Also, Dany will not be at the center again in season 4. The center is reserved for Jon and Tyrion, so a slightly repetitive plot from Dany won’t hinder the season much at all. There’s no reason to rush through those stuff and it will be impossibly hard to tie in all the storylines that lead to Meereen if that plot begins a season earlier than it should have.

  73. Deekan
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    it looks totally like Braavos with trees http://www.caingram.info/Croatia/Pic_htm/split.htm
    though the bottom picture looks kind of like the shape of dorne O.o

  74. Tereeza777
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    You’re not a douche and I am so sorry. I didn’t fix it – “they” did. I’m reading along with the show – not ahead. So for me, my entire post was speculation – but in future, when I start to daydream, I will spoiler tag the whole thing. So sorry!

  75. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    That is lengthening the story quite a bit… Because in Dance Dany has ALOT of material… trying to fit it into 1 season doesn’t seem as easy. And spreading over 2 more seasons creates problems for other characters (i.e. Brienne)

    My premise is that essentially Dany’s story from Storm is done. So S4 will venture deeper into Dance as hers is one of the larger stories from that book and can be stretched out now, at a relatively minor cost to the source material. Compared to your alternative which would require many more cuts from Dance.

    S4 will venture quite a bit into Feast / Dance for other storylines as well. Arya & Bran.

    The main character that will suffer from this is speeding up of events is Tyrion. He also has a large amount of chapters available to him. But they are largely going from here to there and going from slaver to another.

    Book purists are going to flip a table. But this is nothing new and probably unavoidable.

  76. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777:
    Jentario,

    You’re not a douche and I am so sorry.I didn’t fix it – “they” did.I’m reading along with the show–not ahead.So for me,my entire post was speculation – but in future, when I start to daydream, I will spoiler tag the whole thing. So sorry!

    It’s fine, just be more careful next time :)

  77. Lex
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone: I’m happy you’re dissapointed.

    I’m not. I don’t care either way. Other people will be howling in outrage, though.

  78. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker:
    Jentario,

    That is lengthening the story quite a bit… Because in Dance Dany has ALOT of material… trying to fit it into 1 season doesn’t seem as easy. And spreading over 2 more seasons creates problems for other characters (i.e. Brienne)

    My premise is that essentially Dany’s story from Storm is done. So S4 will venture deeper into Dance as hers is one of the larger stories from that book and can be stretched out now, at a relatively minor cost to the source material. Compared to your alternative which would require many more cuts from Dance.

    S4 will venture quite a bit into Feast / Dance for other storylines as well. Arya & Bran.

    The main character that will suffer from this is speeding up of events is Tyrion. He also has a large amount of chapters available to him. But they are largely going from here to there and going from slaver to another.

    Book purists are going to flip a table. But this is nothing new and probably unavoidable.

    The problem with making Feast/Dance one season is that it will never do justice to the source material and that they would quickly run out of source material. GRRM isn’t even close to finishing TWoW and the series is only a few seasons behind him. While I don’t doubt he’ll release TWOW in time, ADOS is a completely different question and it wouldn’t help anyone if D&D make two books that can easily spread over two seasons (with help from the first quarter of TWOW to fill up some storylines).

    Brienne is a minor character and I see her getting the Jaime season 2 treatment (disappearing for half the season) and if she gets to SH at the end of season 5, she can have a few scenes with the BWB to give SH background, then disappear until an episode in the mid-season where she convinces Jaime to join her. The rest is TWOW material. Something like this can be worked out for most of the storylines and it would give GRRM a chance to not be overtaken (and with the show’s pressure I do believe he can make it).

    Now, a whole lot of changes will need to be made so the story will be appealing, and I assume D&D will work the same magic they had in Dany’s plot in season 2 to make season 5 good (example- making the Battle of Hardhome bigger and on screen, via Jon, to remind viewers of the White Walker presence). Season 6 is bound to be great because all the climaxes that should have been in ADWD will be taken from TWOW, to create a fully fleshed out story arc.

  79. ShadowStalker
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I think there is very little chance that GRRM finishes DoS before the show gets into material from that book and that we book fans need to accept that. I think that D&D are very conscious of not having GoT out stay its shelf life on TV… That means 7 or 8 seasons, no hiatuses.

    Look at other long running shows on TV… they peak and then hang on and eventually wind down. True Blood is experiencing this now… Dexter… Sopranos…. this last season of Mad Men was meandering.

  80. sunspear
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker:
    sunspear,

    Do you think that D&D care about making book readers angry? My outline actually keeps most of the plot points from the books. Which I actually doubt the show will do. The only real change is flip floping Meereen and Yunkai. Dany actually has one of the more rich storylines in Dance. Spreading hers out over 2 seasons is very doable. But for other characters you only need 1 season to cover Feast/Dance. Which will be S5… S6-S7 or S8 will be be Winds and DoS.

    As for Jorah… yes he probably should be removed earlier than I had… So that could be moved… it also could be glossed over in the TV show… like Littlefingers ability to travel across the entire continent so quickly… it is just a very rough outline that I offered up

    Um, actually no, you’ve managed to delete an entire plotline from the books.

    Anyway, my main criticism is that you’re cutting some really good scenes from the book needlessly in order to spend more time on Dany’s most boring section of all five books. They can easily make the Battle for Meereen different by actually showing a battle, so I don’t see how the ‘repetitive’ complaint makes any sense.

  81. Jentario
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker:
    Jentario,

    I think there is very little chance that GRRM finishes DoS before the show gets into material from that book and that we book fans need to accept that.I think that D&D are very conscious of not having GoT out stay its shelf life on TV… That means 7 or 8 seasons, no hiatuses.

    Look at other long running shows on TV… they peak and then hang on and eventually wind down. True Blood is experiencing this now… Dexter… Sopranos…. this last season of Mad Men was meandering.

    I stick to 8 seasons in my suggestions. And honestly, if D&D were really eager to plow through the source material they would have handled season 3 very differently. It was a damned slow season for the most part, which shows they are actually trying to pace themselves (though obviously they won’t make bad material just to give GRRM time, and that’s where deviations come in). GRRM definitely can make it. It is entirely up to him and how much he’s willing to just sit on his ass and write instead of wasting time. Next year we will know for sure whether the show will outpace him. If the book isn’t done or at least near done by the time season 4 is over, then I would totally agree with you.

  82. Alice
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    This news just blew my mind. I was in Split when I first read the RV vs The Mountain duel, which is arguably one of the most intense moments in the whole saga. I can really see it taking place there.

    So, yeah, count me in as a “Split = more King’s Landing” advocate.

    On a related note, Saïd Taghmaoui’s agent responded to the e-mail I sent him trying to get him interested in playing Oberyn next season. He politely said that he will think about it. So, fingers crossed !

  83. tysnow
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Not Braavos since I see Arya not going there till very end of next season, more than likely 5. Those buildings are far more classical in architecture and therefore rules out Meeren. I want Meeren so we can see the awesomeness of Ser Barristan versus the Champion, though we could have an army from Meeren show up at Yunkai to reinforce (to late) and send champion to taunt and ridicule. Definitely not Dorne, I say new areas of K.L. and/or perhaps Tyrion greets Dornish diplomatic caravan at ruins in the reach; another option since HBO’s Eyrie had a more classical appearance, it could be a city in the Vale or courtyards and halls located in the the former.

  84. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    Didn’t this recent season of Mad Men have its highest ratings ever?
    Guess the fans liked the meandering you speak of.

    There is one major difference with Game of Thrones compared to those other shows…
    GoT has source material and has been building to a foregone (in D&D and GRRM’s minds) conclusion. They are not creating each season making it up as they go along. Those other series stalled or lost focus, but GoT will not lose focus because it has the source books. (GRRM losing focus is something else…. That’s a different debate for another time)

    The only one of those long-lasting series that had established source material was True Blood and they left that behind a few years into the series much to their detriment. I don’t count Darkly Dreaming Dexter since those books are so short ad narrow in scope despite inspiring the series.

    I’m not expecting more than 8 years either honestly…
    D&D do of course have valid concerns about not dragging the series out too long, but I think GoT is an entirely different animal than any premium cable series before it.

  85. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    No, Arya will be arriving there by the end of this season. Likely leaving in the 9th episode, cutting off a bit of the stuff on the ship, and having her training set up in episode 10. Also, for people claiming these places can’t be Braavos, I’d suggest a google maps tour. There is this one place in Dubrovnik which would be great for Braavos with a little work. Search google maps for “dubrovnik cathedral” and go to street view. Take a look around. Look around Split too. You find some places that would work well for Braavos.

  86. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    This is almost certainly not Braavos, as it’s unlikely that Arya will leave Westeros before the end of the season. Some will argue that she doesn’t have much to do for the season, but I imagine we’ll be seeing quite a bit of Arya and The Hound next season. In fact, if I had to guess, I would say that the duel between the Red Viper & The Mountain, and Arya leaving Sandor to die will occur in the same episode. In any case, it wouldn’t make any sense for the production to use much (if any) of their budget on designing Braavos for just one episode. Better to save that money for the fifth season, when Arya will go through the entirety of her training with the Faceless Men.

    I also am not expecting to see Dorne this season, either. My guess would be that they’re using this second location for additional areas of King’s Landing, and for Mereen. The show does a good job of foreshadowing what we will and will not see in the future, and Mereen has been mentioned several times this last season. It will be in. My guess is that Barristan will fight the champion of Mereen to gain acces to the city, taking the place of Strong Belwas.

    In any case, I don’t think it’s likely that Arya will step foot in Braavos next season. In fact, I think next season is likely to play out like this…

    Episode 1: Re-introduction, similar to every other season premiere. Coldhands is introduced at the end of the episode.
    Episode 2: I think we meet a lot of the new characters here, which is why George is handling it. The Red Viper, Ellaria, Mace, and possibly Arianne. Also think this is where Balon dies, and that this is likely the last time we see Stannis before he arrives at The Wall.
    Episode 3: The Purple Wedding. The fight between Barristan and the champion of Mereen.
    Episode 4: Siege begins at The Wall. Attack at Castle Black. Ygritte dies.
    Episode 5: Jon arrested. Battle at the Wall.
    Episode 6: Stannis arrives at The Wall.
    Episode 7: If the Kingsmoot happens in season four, I think it happens around this point. If not, then I think something major-ish happens with the Yara story line. Event at the Inn: Arya gets Needle back.
    Episode 8: Duel between the Red Viper and Gregor; Tyrion sentenced to death. Arya leaves The Hound to die.
    Episode 9: Tywin and Shae killed by Tyrion.
    Episode 10: Arya leaves for Braavos; Jon is elected the Lord Commander; Dany banishes Jorah and decides to stay in Mereen and learn how to rule because of the various issues she has caused with her campaign; Brienne sent to find Sansa; we either learn that Tyrion is heading to Essos or we see him arrive in Pentos where he is greeted by Illyrio; then “Only Cat” which leads straight into Lady Stoneheart.

  87. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    My thought that it’s Braavos is slightly influenced by the fact that Braavos is somewhat analagous to Venice/Italy and Doctor Who filmed in Croatia for a story that was set in Venice. So I know that you can make Croatia a passable Venice-like area.
    I don’t really see how she can possibly go 10 episodes not getting anywhere unless they want to pull a Bran with her story….

  88. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Not to mention the indisputable fact that they like to use episode 10 for falling action/setup for next season. The big moments of the end of ASoS will likely be episode 9.

  89. Chickenduck
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m tipping it’s Braavos.

    Random thoughts:

    1. Dany’s ADWD arc will start happening in season 4, in order to be able to spread it out across seasons 4 and 5, and thereby give breathing room to synch everything up for the Knot. However, that would probably be filmed back in Morocco.

    2. Arya’s storyline could easily make it to Braavos in S4. She could have 4-5 episodes of traipsing around with the Hound, then get on the boat in around ep 6. If they’re only filming in Split for 2 weeks, it would only be a few scenes. So maybe Eps 9-10 she’ll arrive and the cliffhanger will be her entering the Black & White.

    3. David J Peterson seemed to avoid questions on his blog about creating the Braavosi variant of Low Valyrian. Given that he will normally say “no” outright if someone gets a wrong guess (for example, when asked about Thoros and his native tongue, he specifically said that Myrish was not likely to ever appear on the show), I’d be guessing that we might hear some Braavosi. He’s definitely already done some preparation for deriving the Free Cities descendant languages of Valyrian.

    4. For what it’s worth, he’s also not answered any questions about the Old Tongue and whether he’s been asked to work on it. Wun Wun and Wildlings having a chat, anyone?

    5. Split is not Dorne. The Dornish characters in S4 will be hanging out in KL. I wouldn’t expect any on-screen action taking place in Sunspear until S5. Doran etc won’t be cast until S5 either.

  90. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    Agreed with those who think Arya/Hound will be stretched throughout most of the season. It meets the standard of one of those key dynamics D&D like to lean on, and that serve the story well — interesting conversations between two disparate characters that also happen to be great actors. And then as a result you end up with an audience that looks forward to seeing them just for their back-and-forth. Best examples:

    –Arya and Tywin
    –Davos and Shireen (please, please let’s have more of this next year, please!)
    –Jaime and Brienne
    –Tyrion and Bronn
    –Tyrion and Varys
    –Varys and Littlefinger
    –Varys and just about everybody else

    I think it’s very possible we see Arya in 6-7 episodes next year, working something like this:

    Ep 1/2 – Reintroduction; she’s traveling with the Hound
    Ep 3/4 – Inn at the Crossroads – they come across Polliver and a couple of other creeps, and make quick work of them. Bonus appearance from Hot Pie!
    Ep 5/6 – More conversations
    Ep 7 – Another battle, this time with Rorge and Biter. Clegane injured, badly.
    Ep 8 – Arya leaves Clegane behind
    Ep 9 – Arya boards a ship to Braavos
    Ep 10 – Brienne arrives at the Quiet Isle and converses with Elder Brother.

  91. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    I recently broke down and bought the complete Rome series in bluray. Watched the first episode and I must say it is epically beautiful.

    It’s the only series IMO that is as beautifully artful as GoT. I hope the writers, directors and show runners have taking the time to watch the show and possible borrow and adapt some of its greatness into GoT.

    The cancelation of Rome was a huge mistake, just watching it even right now in 2013 it still stands high above so many premium cable network shows with the visuals, wardrobe and sets… Not to mention the complexity of its plot(s)…

    I hope HBO learned a lesson and lets GoT run its full course be it 7-9 seasons… It would be a television tragedy if GoT shared the same fate as Rome in an early departure…

  92. Lex
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Off Topic:

    I recently broke down and bought the complete Rome series in bluray. Watched the first episode and I must say it is epically beautiful.

    Awesome. I recently bought the full series of Rome and Deadwood. Re-watching those (and Sopranos, at the moment) has just reminded me how insanely good HBO is.

  93. darquemode
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Agreed!
    Sadly so few series get to go out on their own terms.
    We can add Carnivale to your list….

    Hopefully GOT runs its full course! At least they get notice ahead of time and do not deal with the same situation Rome had to!

  94. Arthur
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    OMG!

    Just watched the first 2 episodes of Rome and now I see why this show has had such a lasting impression on me…

    It’s everything GoT is minus the fantasy…

  95. Turncloak
    Posted June 27, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    I wonder of we will see Davos’ ADWD arc next season. Maybe he just accompanies Stannis to the Wall next season and in season 5 we see his ADWD story play out (trip to white harbor). However, his line during Myhsa makes me think otherwise “you will need me to find supporters and sell swords”

  96. Cat of the Canals
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    But are they still filming in Dubrovnik? Or is it off the map?

  97. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Cat of the Canals,

    From the post:

    “According to the notice, filming will occur this summer in Dubrovnik from August 20th through September 20th. Shooting of the show will shift to Split from September 20th through October 10th.”

  98. StarkyZG
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    I know one thing for sure – Split is a four-hour drive from Zagreb. I know I’ll be going there for visits this autumn :) Anyone want to join?

  99. Arry23
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Split = more KL probably
    I would imagine Dorne well.., more sandy, and Braavos with canals, you know Venice like, and Split is nothing like Venice.

  100. Arry23
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    A Croatian city that could pull of Braavos imo is Rovinj tho http://imageshack.us/g/1/10215599/

    http://imageshack.us/g/1/10215606/

  101. Joshua Taylor
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    darquemode,

    Arthur,

    Rome is amazing. It’s the closest thing that’s been made to capturing the Late Republic on film. A pity it was cut short even though it got a decent ending. The plan was three seasons with the second ending at Phillipi and the third with Actium. Ah well. Now all they need to do is adapt Colleen McCullough’s Masters of Rome series which is the ASOIAF of historical fiction. Fingers crossed!

    Don’t forget The Wire boys!

  102. Aeona
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Ivan Jurić,

    I’m Sooo green with white envy right now…. :D Good for You!

  103. Reese
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    This makes me want to go to Dubrovnik for an extended weekend in September. Does anyone know if they film on weekends, though? How likely is it to see a scene being filmed, anyway?

  104. Ren Snow
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Jonathan Loesche:
    I could see some filming in Split be for when Tyrion arrives in Pentos. They’ll need to find a new place to shoot Illyrio’s Estate since Malta is out of the question

    Why is Malta out of the question? Budget reasons?

  105. Rockwife
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Dorne, maybe?

  106. Andrija Andrew P
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    StarkyZG,

    Count me in Starky :D

  107. Aurane Waters
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    I can totally see Rovinj being used to film the scenes set in Braavos…
    I also think that Split will be used to film scenes with Water Gardens, although I was sure they were going to use the Trsteno Arboretum for it, instead they used it for all those lounging and outdoor scenes set in Kings Landing in season 3…

  108. shyone274
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    The Rabbit,

    That second location looks like a great place for a duel!

  109. Juego de Tronos
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Javi Marcos:
    What place will be Split?

    I have sincerely no idea.

    This is my question too

  110. Ashara D
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Wow! Thanks for all the pics everyone. Croatia is gorgeous! Wish I had the funds to visit… I can see the Roman-looking façade asthe HoBaW but hope that Arya gets a decent amount of time with the Hound, showing their opposing character development. I also loved the towers built into to side of a cliff. Could see those working for certain southern locales with some CG. We could ALL be right: nothing says that every scene from a certain locale has to be filmed in a certain spot in the real world, e.g. north of The Wall has been both Ireland and Iceland, and KL has been both Dubrovnik and Morocco.

  111. Markku Multaharju
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Could they use Brac or Hvar islands? They’re in front of Split. Especially Hvar seemed more medieval and I saw a filming of “Missing” there.

  112. Abyss
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Off-Topic:
    I have that question that is on my mind since yesterday, maybe somebody can help me out with it.
    Does Sansa know that Winterfell was burned down or does she still think that she can return to the castle when she is talking about “returning home” and not just the north in general?
    It seems strange to me that she never addresses the terrible fact that the seat of her house was destroyed. Wouldn’t Joffrey tell her to distress her?

    I want to point out that this is not a nit-pick post, I just really would love to have an answer to that. :-)

  113. Old Nan
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps it’s Braavos. Maisie has hinted that her locations for this season will be different since she couldn’t say the details in a promo interview. If she’d stay in Ireland, why wouldn’t she just divulge that?

  114. valerio
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    It’s a shame, until last year there used to be a daily ferry connection between Split and my hometown in Italy :(

  115. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    The pics of Rovinj are what I imagined Braavos would look like. I’m so stoked for Season 4. I’m going to have to temper my excitement. Don’t want to peak too soon! :)

  116. StarkyZG
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Andrija Andrew P,

    Count me in Starky :D

    No problem! I’ll be in touch! ;)

  117. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 28, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    For anyone still doubting that dubrovnik could be braavos, just go to google maps and search for “dubrovnik historic street old town” and do a street view tour. the place is great.

  118. WAKAKA
    Posted June 29, 2013 at 7:37 am | Permalink

    It CAN’T be Braavos. Braavs is famous for it’s bad, rainy weather. For me it looks like sunspear.

  119. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted June 29, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    WAKAKA:
    It CAN’T be Braavos. Braavs is famous for it’s bad, rainy weather. For me it looks like sunspear.

    You know that
    1)They’re probably not going to use foggy/rainy pictures for showcasing a city?
    2)Weather in a picture=/=climate
    3) People can do great things in post and with fog machines/etc? Have you seen what the area where they film castle black actually looks like? Do you know what Mark Addy looks like outside of costume?

  120. That Stark boy
    Posted June 29, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I think they will focus the battles on Castle Black on the fourth season and bring Stannis to the Wall only in the end of it And I think the 9th episode’s surprising death will be Lysa’s.

  121. Roger
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Doctor Who’s Vampires of Venice was filmed in Trogir which is literally across the bay from Split and reachable in a half hour drive or probably even shorter boat journey.

    So they can be based in Split and still do any canal scenes easily (and I’d guess most of those will be in S05 rather than S04).

    Thus Split will probably be Kings Landing + Braavos (with Trogir used for any canal/Harbour locations) + possibly Pentos (although the character who may end up in Pentos before end of S04 won’t see much of it outside of Illyrio’s Palace which can be any Croatian interior/garden).

    On Meereen the point about Cersei-Jon-Dany’s arcs being parallel and them facing similar problems as rulers is really important thematically and so much as I hated AAFC & ADWD I can’t see them dropping it.

    Plus I suspect we may get to finally meet Strong Belwas as an obese Spartacus of the Fighting Pits in Meereen which would make the story of the fall of the city rather different to that of Yunkai (plus there is also the aspect of it being Jorah’s redemptive suicide mission).

    Note we also didn’t get to see quite how vile the masters were in Yunkai and Astapor as they’re mere ciphers to be butchered – in Meereen Dany must make an accommodation with at least some of them which means that they can be developed as significant characters.

    So Tywin’s demise and Cersei actually becoming real regent, Jon’s election as LC and Dany’s becoming Queen of Meereen are thematically so linked that they will surely be portrayed in parallel over the middle of S04 – with the end episodes showing that ruling is hard (personally I’d suggest that if Lady Stoneheart doesn’t make a delayed appearance to hang Brienne, the scene with the child’s bones from ADWD would be a possible final scene for S010).

    (this assumes that the Purple Wedding will be in E02 as that’s GRRM’s episode of S02 – in which case the trial by combat can’t be held back much past E05 and Tywin’s demise could be as early as E06 – which puts Tyrion in Pentos and then well on his way to Meereen before the end of S04).

  122. Greg
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I’m still hoping for a Brown Ben somewhere in there. Idris Elba would be perfect.

  123. Roger
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 8:22 am | Permalink

    WAKAKA,

    ‘Famous’ to who?

    Not even to book readers but to the fraction of book readers who are obsessive enough to have re-read them multiple times.

    Most TV viewers have not read the books and will only remember Braavos if at all as the place Jaqen and Syrio came from.

    Even most book readers will only recall it for having ancient mysterious temples, canals and harbours and hardly recall the weather from every scene.

    And as the free cities have been presented so far as vaguely Mediterranean and Italianate anywhere that looks like that will do.

  124. Roger
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Old Nan,

    Trogir – across bay from Split and so Venice-like they filmed a Doctor Who called Vampires of Venice there.

  125. Greg
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    I think Arya will have about a many episodes in season 4 as Theon in season 3.

  126. maya
    Posted June 30, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    ok guys, im from Split Croatia and there is a lot of speculation in here about where they could actually film.

    Some people say that one of the locations will be Klis fortress which stands about 10 km above city of Split
    https://www.google.hr/search?q=kli%C5%A1ka%20tvr%C4%91ava&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=4zfQUdnJJ6Gg4gTsl4GgAg&biw=1525&bih=619&sei=5TfQUYPLNcLo4QTktoHgBg

    and city of Trogir very near Split
    https://www.google.hr/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1525&bih=619&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=trogir&oq=Trogir&gs_l=img.1.0.0l10.223748.226040.0.227605.6.6.0.0.0.0.189.894.0j6.6.0…0.0…1c.1.18.img.urn-C6C0Gkc

    especially fortress Kamerlengo which stands practically on the beach.
    https://www.google.hr/search?um=1&hl=en&biw=1525&bih=619&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=kamerlengo+fortress&oq=kamerlengo&gs_l=img.1.0.0l2j0i5j0i24l2.65184.67685.0.69731.10.9.0.1.1.0.195.1196.1j8.9.0…0.0…1c.1.18.img.qlFjJtL7HuI

    so my guess is, definitely B…..s

  127. Chickenduck
    Posted July 1, 2013 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    Was just reading the paper this morning… welcome to the EU, Croatia!

  128. darquemode
    Posted July 1, 2013 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    maya,

    Braavos was my first thought too, but after looking at those pictures I have to say it reminds me of some of the artwork I’ve seen for Dorne and Highgarden too. It seems too early for Dorne and I’m not sure why they would do a Highgarden shoot…

    Highgarden:
    1 – http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120915194619/lucerne/images/d/d8/Highgarden.jpg
    2 – https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/p480x480/992964_354372168019479_1738820375_n.jpg

    Dorne:
    1 – http://soniaunleashed.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/agosto.jpg
    2 – http://www.cardgamedb.com/forums/uploads/1281901920/gallery_34_406255.jpg
    3 – http://www.tradecardsonline.com/img/cards/GameOfThrones/1450/big/29.jpg

  129. Summer Is Coming
    Posted July 1, 2013 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Croatia – From today the 28th member state of the EU. That should lift some barriers and obstacles in GoT production. You know, paperwork and stuff.

    Welcome! >:D<

  130. errors-and-
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

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  131. Jon
    Posted July 2, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    So your plan for Dany is to have them have her linger in Merreen for an extra season?

  132. maya
    Posted July 3, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    ok guys, so i read in todays papers that the mayor of a place called Baška Voda near Split said for the press that negotiations are in the process and that likely some scenes will be filmed there, especially in the mountains and fortress above the village.

    So this could be Vale perhaps?

    http://croatia.hr/Images/t900x600-318/croatia_dalmatia_split_baska_voda_004.jpg

    http://www.discoverdinarides.com/files/image/content-biokovo_v-1352733871.jpg

  1. [...] Me Roar: These seem part of production plans concerning the Split area, seeing as Baška Voda is within some 20 miles of the city, to the south. Looking forward to [...]


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