Day 5: The first week of filming
By Winter Is Coming on in Filming, Speculation.

The first week of filming has drawn to a close. According to MakingGameofThrones.com writer Cat Taylor, everyone survived the week (no deaths is always a plus).

Reports indicated that, at least for part of the week, they were filming at or near Shane’s Castle. In past seasons the grounds of Shane’s Castle have been the site of the tourney scene while the caverns underneath the castle have stood in for Dragonstone’s dungeons and Winterfell’s crypts. Given Cat’s tweet from the other day, it seems like they were filming on the grounds; more specifically, out in the woods.

Numerous actors have been spotted in Belfast and/or have tweeted that they are there including Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Tony Way, Alfie Allen and Iwan Rheon.

UPDATE: Forgot to mention this tidbit: Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons. It’s been pretty common for the production to give horseback riding lessons to any cast member who needs to ride a horse during filming. It sounds like we may see her in season 4 and she will likely be ahorse.

Winter Is Coming: What do you think they might have been filming this first week?


190 Comments

  1. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Theon & Ramsay – please no more torture porn this year
    Thanks

  2. azad injejikian
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Dontos is back?!

  3. First
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Hodor.
    Shouldn’t read articles before Hodoring.

  4. Joe
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak,

    second that!

  5. John
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Obviously filming something with Theon & Ramsay, and something with Sansa & Dontos. Who knows beyond that?

  6. First
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Actually makes more sense to have the Dontos storyline now (at least in the show world). Sansa was quite happy for most of last season, first thinking she was going to marry Loras, and then realising that she could be reasonably happy with Tyrion. Now she’ll want out with any old fool. They’ll have to condense the story a bit though, if the PW is in Ep. 2 as expected.

    Could Dontos make an appearance in his 2nd season-opening scene?

  7. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    First:
    Actually makes more sense to have the Dontos storyline now (at least in the show world). Sansa was quite happy for most of last season, first thinking she was going to marry Loras, and then realising that she could be reasonably happy with Tyrion. Now she’ll want out with any old fool. They’ll have to condense the story a bit though, if the PW is in Ep. 2 as expected.

    I agree. It will also be a nice twist when we find out that Littlefinger was behind it the whole time, since the viewers will likely think he had already moved on from his attempts to get her out of the capital.

  8. darkshot117
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    First,

    Episode 2 seems way too soon for me… I feel like it will be episode 4 at the earliest, like how Dracarys was. They need time to introduce characters like Mace Tyrell and Oberyn. They also will likely be re-introducing Dontos for Sansa’s storyline and it wouldn’t make sense to only give him 1 episode of plot development before all of this happens. Most viewers won’t remember Dontos at all and will need to see a bit of development with. At least 3 or 4 scenes between the two of them before the PW. Maybe they will introduce Florian and Jonquil even?

  9. Chibarin
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Omg it’s Dontos! He hasn’t been completely cut!

  10. Red Helm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    So Sophie Turner and Tony Way are in Belfast. Interesting. Weren’t all King’s Landing scenes so far shot in Croatia and Malta? Does that mean ser Dontos leaves King’s Landing too?

  11. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Theon & Ramsay- Please, More torure porn this year thanx

  12. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Red Helm,

    All indoor scenes are filmed in Belfast. Only the outdoor scenes are filmed in Croatia.

  13. Greg
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    *please* no more Theon torture this season. I actually really liked Theon’s story last season, mainly because I know that it DOES serve a purpose for Theon’s arc overall and because Alfie Allen and Iwan Rheon OWN their roles, but I’m sick of dudebros complaining about how “ugh, this is pointless, we get it, he’s getting tortured, why doesn’t he DO something about it, moar tyrion” Here’s how I think Theon’s story will go down this season:

    Ep 1: No Theon
    Ep 2: No Theon
    Ep 3: Ramsay tells Theon about Balon’s death, takes another finger or two to send to Yara
    Ep 4: No Theon
    Ep 5: No Theon
    Ep 6: No Theon
    Ep 7/8: Ramsay releases Theon and tells him that he needs him for a mission
    Ep 9: Theon helps Ramsay retake Moat Cailin
    Ep 10: Ramsay rewards Theon, possibly meets Fake Arya?

    If they actually DO go through with the whole Yara VS Ramsay plot, I imagine that battle will probably be in ep 5 or 6, and will end with Yara’s forces getting pretty much annihilated by Ramsay’s forces (I can picture Ramsay and his Bastard’s Boys on the front lines just butchering everything in sight) and Yara having no choice but to retreat.

  14. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Dontos confirmed, Edmure out, Natalia Tena out, Slynt, Thorne and Lysa and her baby boy are in as well. What other minor characters were confirmed? Any news of Tommen’s return?

  15. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    NO way man. Theon is going to have more then that to do. He has to still try to excape. and with the girl and get caught. he has just become reek. that need reinforced becuz he must remember his name. is Natalia realy out????

  16. Greg
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    First,

    I don’t think the PW will be episode 2. Just because GRRM’s writing it doesn’t mean it will be all that eventful. “The Pointy End” and “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” didn’t really have any HUGE, SHOCKING moments like Ned’s death or the Red Wedding (Jaime and the bear pit wasn’t even written by GRRM, it was taken from the episode after and switched around with some other scenes.)

  17. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    sorry that was spoilery didnt mean to not add the tags

  18. AA
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Where are you getting Edmure and Osha are out? Art Parkinson (Rickon) tweeted about learning lines for the season, so he is in, so I can’t imagine how they’d have him without Osha.

  19. Greg
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Theon’s escape has pretty much already been done, with “the Boy” earlier in Season 3. If they have another fake escape it will just seem redundant.

  20. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    When was it confirmed that Tobias Menzies and Natalia Tena won’t be seen at all in season four? Especially odd in the case of the latter, since Art Parkinson apparently said he’d be filming this season.

  21. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    AA:
    Jentario,

    Where are you getting Edmure and Osha are out? Art Parkinson (Rickon) tweeted about learning lines for the season, so he is in, so I can’t imagine how they’d have him without Osha.

    Both stated in recent interviews that they don’t know if they’re in season 4. At this point, they should know (and yes, the Nat Tena interview released after Art’s tweet which is weird).

  22. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    Not for me i really love the reek scenes and he hints at a lot of stuff in book five that would of happend during book three. I would love to see him try to excape and get hunted by ramsay. expecially if they add the girl who talks him into it. but i know im in the minority there

  23. whiteladder
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I agree. The most “major” thing I could think of that we’ll see in Episode Two is the wildling assault in which Ygritte is killed. GRRM might also wind up writing the introduction to several of the Mereen characters, if Dany has arrived there by then.

    D & D hinted earlier this year that they’d be bringing Ser Dontos back. I like the idea a lot. I think Sansa accepting his offer will be much more believable at this point, and it will also be less obvious that Littlefinger is behind it, especially if we get a couple of scenes with him at the Eyrie. I’m guessing Dontos will show back up as early as Episode One, and that the Purple Wedding will occur in Episode Four, leading to Sansa’s escape at the end of that episode or in Episode Five.

  24. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Link for Edmure:
    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/12/qa-interview-with-game-of-thrones-star-tobias-menzies/

    I won’t even try finding the Nat Tena one, though. I just remember it was in some spanish (she speaks spanish) podcast and that someone was kind enough to listen to it and give us the bit of info.

  25. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    just a quick thought i havnt posted and any forums or seen yet. Ive been thinking about the Pod the Rod stuff from last season(which i for one enjoyed) but i was thinking maybe there going to have Gendry go with brienne (which ive heard that speculated alot) but maybe not have Pod go. I think they might be setting him up for the Kettleblack role. Having Cersie trying to get him to sleep with Marg or accusing him of it because of his new rep. Any thoughts?

  26. darquemode
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like the beginning of the Dontos/ Sansa storyline delayed last year. I really like the idea of them pushing it back to Season 4 since it will not be as drawn out this way!

    OT:
    I wonder how much they will play up the Dreadfort this season?
    If they decide to have more Theon/ Ramsay scenes from that location or have Yara actually move on the Dreadfort Klis Fortress could make a pretty good location. Overlay some VFX to add architectural elements like they did with most of the exterior establishing shots in the series and I think it could be a pretty good Dreadfort.

    It still makes me think of the Eyrie or the Fingers more though.

  27. AA
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Interesting. Not a complete shocker if they leave out Edmure, but I bet Osha will be back, at least for one episode, if not more. Maybe she was playing coy in the interview.

  28. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre:
    just a quick thought i havnt posted and any forums or seen yet. Ive been thinking about the Pod the Rod stuff from last season(which i for one enjoyed) but i was thinking maybe there going to have Gendry go with brienne (which ive heard that speculated alot) but maybe not have Pod go. I think they might be setting him up for the Kettleblack role. Having Cersie trying to get him to sleep with Marg or accusing him of it because of his new rep. Any thoughts?

    Terrible. Pod is a good person, not some horny, corrupted asshole and would likely not be able to speak to Cersei let alone go through with her plans.

  29. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    AA:
    Jentario,

    Interesting.Not a complete shocker if they leave out Edmure, but I bet Osha will be back, at least for one episode, if not more.Maybe she was playing coy in the interview.

    It’s definitely not impossible.

  30. PhoenixDark
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    HBO tends to send out 4 episode screeners, which often feature an eventful fourth episode. So yea, I agree with you guys.

  31. darquemode
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    A few of us have wondered that too…..
    Establishing the women like Pod could be laying groundwork for that.

    I think I read in a D&D interview that they added the first Pod the Rod scene as a joke and then they liked how it ended up and decided to reference it in another scene or two. It reminded me of how they commented on how they saw the early Ros scenes and decided to write her more parts.

    I can see it being a joke they enjoy and I can see them finding more ways to use Pod if they have decided they like the actor’s performance….

    I’m quite intrigued to see what they do with Pod, Gendry and Bron this season inward!

  32. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Yeah………. no.

  33. Harry Lime
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    I wonder if Theon would even fall for that after the Ramsay “releasing” him and the girls seducing him in season 3. And I’m positive the audience wouldn’t.

  34. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Nope. Art Parkinson is definitely in.
    “In Belfast…” on a recent tweet.
    There’s no way Natalia isn’t returning as well. In the interview she was saying “I would live to do another season but I haven’t been contacted yet.” So there is virtually no reason she won’t return as well.

  35. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    No set pics or anything yet?

  36. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Just added this to the post:

    Forgot to mention this tidbit: Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons. It’s been pretty common for the production to give horseback riding lessons to any cast member who needs to ride a horse during filming. It sounds like we may see her in season 4 and she will likely be ahorse.

  37. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Harry Lime,

    I’m pretty sure the onscreen torture is done, just because it would a) be repetitive and b) the scene in Mhysa seemed like a ‘conclusion’. They’ll have other stuff offscreen- stuff like him losing his other fingers (which would be repetitive otherwise) and his haire going white (which you can’t really show offscreen.) They might have some psychological stuff, but I don’t think so. The next time we see Theon, hopefully after a lengthy absense, will be as Reek.

  38. Eugene Toussaint
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I feel like Yara won’t even get to Theon and instead will run into Stannis, thereby avoiding Stannis having to retake whatever Castle Yara is suppose to be in A Dance with Dragons in order for Yara to get captured by Stannis

  39. 3eyes
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Is it time for the countdown clock yet?

  40. Nezzer
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Just added this to the post:

    Forgot to mention this tidbit: Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons. It’s been pretty common for the production to give horseback riding lessons to any cast member who needs to ride a horse during filming. It sounds like we may see her in season 4 and she will likely be ahorse.

    Hm, so I guess we will finally see Ramsay hunting women. I hope they start building Ramsay as the new major villain now that Joffrey is dying soon.

  41. voiceareason
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hmm, as to the Theon/Ramsay presence: Perhaps a short scene of Ramsay opening the door of a cell and showing us a fully Reekified Theon? Since the castle is used for dungeons, this would seem logical. However, I don’t think it’s likely that they will spend the entire season torturing Theon in various ways, so I can’t see it as being anymore than one scene in the dungeons. Another possibility for the Castle is Moat Cailin, which would be a good midpoint for Theon’s arc next season.

  42. Cary Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Hm, so I guess we will finally see Ramsay hunting women. I hope they start building Ramsay as the new major villain now that Joffrey is dying soon.

    “Violet” seems like a swell name for a hound.

  43. Blackfish
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Just added this to the post:

    Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons. It sounds like we may see her in season 4 and she will likely be ahorse.

    she will be a horse? is she a warg? a centaur? lol j/k WiC needs an edit here :)

  44. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Blackfish, while typos and general grammatical errors are not uncommon for me, this one is actually a word!

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ahorse

  45. moophasa
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if they set up Charlotte Hope as fake!Arya? They need an adult actress to do those scenes, and she seems like she’s OK with appearing nude. Or maybe she’ll just be a background character following the Bastard and Reek around…

  46. Nezzer
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Yeah, I’m looking forward to meeting his hounds >:D

  47. Stacia
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    moophasa, I don’t think it matters what age the actress playing Fake Arya is. They can’t do nude scenes since the character is clearly underage. The show has established Sansa as being 14 and Arya is younger (12, maybe?). HBO isn’t going to want to be accused of showing kiddie porn with an older actress portraying a minor.

  48. Greg
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Eugene Toussaint,

    What I think is most likely is that Yara will get as far as Moat Cailin, receive word of Balon’s death, and return to the Islands for the Kingsmoot while leaving some ironborn at Moat Cailin.

  49. Cary Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    moophasa,

    Why do they need an adult actress to “do those scenes”? Especially as it wouldn’t make sense for fake Arya to be any older than real Arya. If they can reintroduce Dontos they can find a way to reintroduce Jeyne Poole, and if depicting scenes with an underage character is problematic, they’ll rewrite them.

  50. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    I still prefer the theory some have had that Theon/Ramsey will be going after Rickon/Osha one way or another. Info from Art is much more definitive than from Natalia.

    Also, Dontos! Glad they’re going to close that loop.

    And this is all very nice. But still. CASTING???? MOOOOM! CASTING! MEAT LOAF! FUCK!!!

  51. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Regarding Alfie Allen, I don’t think the grey hair will work on screen. However, I can see a shaved head, something along the lines of Kevin Bacon in “Murder in the First” or something.

  52. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Why not? He’d probably be down with dying it, and if not they could do a wig. Why do you think it wouldn’t work on screen? I’m genuinely curious.

  53. Handmaiden of Dany
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    At this point, I doubt there will be a fake Arya.

    And I hope to the Gods they still keep Pod and Brienne together! I like both book Pod and show Pod and I want them together. Not sure where the Gendry storyline is going, maybe he ends up back at the inn with Hot Pie?

  54. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Handmaiden of Dany,

    Why do you doubt FakeArya will be in?
    Her marrying Ramsay is the whole reason for everyone to go to Winterfell in DWD

  55. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Just added this to the post:Forgot to mention this tidbit: Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons. It’s been pretty common for the production to give horseback riding lessons to any cast member who needs to ride a horse during filming. It sounds like we may see her in season 4 and she will likely be ahorse.

    so your saying there may be an excape scene.

  56. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Or she ends up being hunted by Ramsay. You know, to illustrate he’s a psycho to people who aren’t Theon.

  57. sunspear
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    I’ve changed my mind, and now I think that the Purple Wedding will be in episode 3. They’ll need time to introduce Mace and Oberyn, cover Jaime’s arrival in King’s Landing, and establish Dontos and Sansa. Two episodes will be enough for that.

    Also, why do people think Stannis is going to capture Yara this early? If they do that, she’ll just be dragged around as deadweight for 2.5 seasons, and they’ll ruin/cut two of the best scenes in the books (The Kingsmoot and Deepwood Motte battle).

  58. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    maybe. they might have theon help hunt her down. but i think there i will be one more excape scene concluding with him sleeping with dogs. i just dont believe they are gonna have theon be ablsent alot of the season. I think there going to show him becoming Ramsays creature. as far as fake arya theres no need to put her in the show first if at all

  59. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    I genuinely don’t understand the people who believe the Fake Arya plot can be cut from the show. It basically holds the Northern plot together, leads to Theon’s redemption, and, oh yeah, gets Jon killed! People are doing the same thing they did with the Reeds last year, and Oberyn before he was announced- stating that simply because the character hasn’t been introduced yet they won’t be introduced an all, and somehow the plot will work its way around it no matter how convoluted it becomes.

  60. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    Thank you!!!!!!
    Someone who talks sense. My thoughts exactly.

  61. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    im not saying i dont want it but i can see them cutting it out. im sure they can find other ways to get jon to want to go down there(which we dont know if they will keep that part in) and they can find another way to try to redeem theon. if he even need redemption by then. ive never been a theon hater or understood why people think he was so bad. as for north theyve already said botons are wardens so they dont really need to add a stark. i do think they will keep it but just not this season.

  62. Jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    I am now going on a tweeter-stalking fest in hopes of confirming new minor characters. Good luck to me.

    Returning, here’s what I’ve found:
    -Lancel: not certain, though he will be filming something in the next few weeks with an Aussie actor. Whether that something is GoT, don’t know. Are there any Aussies in GoT at KL?
    -Yara: almost missed her flight a few days ago. To Belfast?
    -Stannis: I have found no clues to him beginning filming, though I have found out that he is hilarious and quite the supporter of his character. Unless it’s a fake account. Which seems more plausible by the minute.
    UPDATE: is he Spanish? No? Okay it’s a fake. The mission continues…
    -Melisandre: returns filming at Monday, 5.05 am. This likely means more of team Dragonstone will be there too.
    -Liam Cunningham: he has gone dark for the past couple of weeks
    -Kerry Ingram: she is not on set for that scene, apparently
    -I have found that most older Thrones actors don’t have twitter. Mission failed :(

    Alas, I still didn’t try the Wall, Dany and characters in the Riverlands (Gendry, the BWB). Maybe later…

  63. JamesL
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    I actually think that’s a really good idea.

  64. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    I just don’t see why cutting it out would help streamline the plot at all. It’s one new actress, with no extra characters, sets, storylines or whatever. They have changed plots before, but only when it’s too complex or meandering (eg. Arya’s ACOS and ASOS plots are mostly wandering around meeting lots of characters that have no relevance past meeting her, and can be easily cut). Jeyne Poole (or whatever equivalent they use, although I’d hate and see no reason why they can’t use her) isn’t a minor character, and her absense from the plot would require extra gymnastics for the writers to a) have Theon redeem himself and b) have Jon get himself murdered.

    I agree that the majority of her plot will not be in this season, but I can imagine them introducing Jeyne this season, after Sansa has fled KL and they need to scrabble for a replacement Stark.

  65. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    From what I remember doesn’t Jaime see Jeyne Poole leaving King’s Landing when he goes to bid goodbye to Brienne? He asks who she is and she replies ‘Arya’ and he’s like ‘I don’t think so…’

    I think that would work pretty well as a way to introduce her in the show next season.
    Then in season 5 she arrives in the North. That way it wouldn’t seem random or stilted when she suddenly shows up in the North. I really think this is one of those situations where they should stick to the books as much as possible. Grrm figured all this out, if it ain’t broke – don’t fix it.

  66. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Please more Ramsay and Theon torture porn

  67. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    oh i agree with ya. And i hope they do it that way. If they are going to do it i think they should introduce her towards the end of the season.
    Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm,

    agreed. I actually enjoy watching ramsay become the most demented and evil character pretty much ever.

  68. Sean C.
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Greg:
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Eugene Toussaint,

    What I think is most likely is that Yara will get as far as Moat Cailin, receive word of Balon’s death, and return to the Islands for the Kingsmoot while leaving some ironborn at Moat Cailin.

    She’s not going to Moat Cailin. She’s sailing around Westeros. It’s far more likely that the Kingsmoot will be cut entirely, because there’s no reason to send Yara on this mission otherwise.

  69. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    I am absolutely sure they will introduce Jeyne. That was why they changed the name of Robb’s wife to Talisa. Jeyne Poole is certainly a more important character than Robb’s wife. There will be no sex scenes, even if the actress is in her 20s because the character would still be a child.
    Regarding Asha, I think she will be the one who helps Osha and Rickon get to Skagos. She will then be captured by Stannis.

  70. ytdn
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    patchface,

    I imagine they’ll just do a ‘cut to black’ like in the books, and imply the rest.

  71. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    patchface,

    Interesting idea that Asha helps Osha and Rickon.
    I thought about Theon helping them. Ramsay goes out to hunt them bringing Theon along as a pet. Theon somehow reaches them first and tells them a madmen is after them and tells them as long as they’re in the North he’ll hunt them. Then they decide to flee to Skagos.

  72. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    And we will also hear her screaming in pain.

  73. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Thank you I’m glad I’m not the only person who actually enjoys those scenes as sick as it may sound, when Theon took Winterfell all the show viewers wanted him to suffer and its fun to watch them squirm now that their wish has been fulfilled

    Btw they are totally the best couple on the show

  74. Tereeza777
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Natalia Tena’s Spanish interview is from Canal +1 – Spanish television –
    Natalia Tena (Osha) no cree que aparezca en la Cuarta Temporada de Juego de Tronos
    Natalia Tena doesn’t think she will appear in the 4th Season of GoT
    •Todavía no se si voy a salir en la próxima temporada. Todo está un poco misterioso.
    I still don’t know if I’m going to be in the next season. Everything is a little mysterious.
    •Mi personaje favorito es Brienne.
    My favorite character is Brienne.
    •Mi mejor amiga es una Chaplin (Oona Chaplin, Talisa Maegyr).
    My best friend is Oona Chaplin. (Talisa Maegyr)
    •Me gusta rodar lejos de casa porque nos convertimos en una gran familia.
    I like to film far from home because we become like a big family.
    •Esa familia (Lannister) no es la mía. A mi me gusta el Norte, con los lobos.
    That Lannister family is not my thing. I like the North – with the wolves.
    •Los lobos (perros) de la primera temporada eran muy majos. Tenían que rugirnos pero sólo venían a darnos besitos.
    The wolves (dogs) in the 1st season were really nice. They were supposed to growl at us, but they just wanted to come and give us kisses.
    •Despellejé 40 o 50 conejos para una escena de la tercera temporada.
    I skinned 40 or 50 rabbits for a scene in the 3rd season.
    •Aún no he visto la tercera temporada, no puedo hacerlo de forma semanal. Tengo que ver las 10 horas seguidas.
    I still haven’t watched the 3rd season because I can’t do it on a weekly basis. I have to watch all 10 hours one after the other.

  75. Cary Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    More likely Rickon is going to appear in Bran’s dreams, Osha-free.

  76. ATG
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm:
    Please more Ramsay and Theon torture porn

    Yep those were some of the best scenes in season 3, great acting skills by both Alfie and Iwan.

  77. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    ATG,

    My biggest disappointment now is that why couldn’t we do Ramsay’s story proper in season 2, Iwan seems as he would have been more than capable of handling the material

  78. Crozyr
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    So what I wonder is How they are going to handle Jamie’s vow, which included him being exchanged for Arya and Sansa. If i recall correctly, in the book Sansa was gone by the time Jaime appeared, so obviously he could not “keep his word”. But now, he might aswell send her back to… well. I guess there is noone left he could return them to. Still, wouldn’t there be some beef between him and Brienne then?

  79. the other guy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Still no news about Conan Stevens’ return ? Guess we’re in for a letdown :(

  80. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Crozyr,

    I have been wondering this too.

    I guess an excuse could be that the situation is complicated than they thought because she is now married to Tyrion. However in the books Jaime takes his vows to Cat very seriously (he has not since taken up arms against House Stark or Tully) and being Jaime he would find a way to get Sansa out of KL and do it. If they ignore that in the show then it would kind of undermine his brilliant character arc in season 3.

  81. ATG
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm,

    Yeah I was waiting for Ramsay to appear in season 2 but alas he never did. I think his storyline in the second book of him pretending to be Reek, if done properly could have been awesome. And as you said Iwan would have been able to handle the material without a problem. I think they cut him out due to budget reasons, not being able to hire another actor and stuff like that. Still theyve done a great job with Ramsay’s character in season 3 and I cannot wait to see where his and Theon’s storyline go in season 4.

  82. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    In the books Sansa was in danger when Jaime arrived, as Cersei wanted her for the murder of Joffrey. With Jaime arriving before that happens, Sansa really isn’t in danger. Catelyn is dead. Winterfell is burned. Right now Sansa is better off under the protection of Tyrion. I don’t see a need for Jaime to want to have Brienne take her to safety until after the PW.

  83. Jared
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    PhoenixDark: HBO tends to send out 4 episode screeners, which often feature an eventful fourth episode. So yea, I agree with you guys.

    I agree with your logic regarding the Purple Wedding being in Episode 4. While I doubt that they intentionally structure seasons to fit this mold, every year the last episode sent out to the critics has ended with “Holy ****” moment designed to leave a lasting impression. In Season 1, HBO sent out 6 episodes, and Episode 6 ended with Drogo crowning Viserys with molten gold (Episode 4 had its own shocking ending, with Catelyn arresting Tyrion). In Season 2, HBO sent out 4 episodes, and Episode 4 ended with Melisandre giving birth to the shadow. In Season 3, HBO again sent out 4 episodes, and Episode 4 ended with Daenerys sacking Astapor. The two obvious candidates for a similar early-season shocker in Season 4 are the Purple Wedding and Ygritte’s death. The former is more shocking, and therefore more likely.

    Regarding the Fake Arya subplot, I’m almost positive that we will see it in the show. I subscribe to what seems to be the prevailing theory: namely, that Roose Bolton will travel to King’s Landing to attend Joffrey’s wedding. After Tyrion is accused of Joffrey’s murder and Sansa escapes, Tywin and Roose will sit down and decide that they need a new way to secure the North. They’ll devise the Fake Arya plot, and Roose will take the girl with him when he leaves to return to the North. The wedding itself will almost certainly be in Season 5 – I expect that most of Ramsay and Theon’s Season 4 arc will revolve around conflict with Yara and the Ironborn and possibly a hunt for Rickon. That should be enough for 6 episodes, or however many they wind up appearing in.

    It’s less essential that Fake Arya needs to be Jeyne Poole, especially since the non-reader audience is unlikely to remember her. I expect that she will ultimately be Jeyne, and I hope that’s the case. But if they can’t get the actress back or they want an older actress so that they can do the scenes from her wedding night, then they have room to work with. Yes, a big reason that Theon saves her in ADWD is because he knew her, but that motivation can be altered to simply helping out a suffering young woman, if necessary. I don’t think that such a change would undercut his ‘redemption’

  84. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure what they could with Jaime and Brienne. I am guessing that Loras could get Brienne arrested once they arrive and Jaime argues with Tywin about taking Sansa. Do Jaime and Brienne even know of the RW? Also, regarding Jeyne, if they want to cast someone Theon already knows, what about the captain’s daughter that Theon had sex with on his way to the iron islands?

  85. jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Crozyr:
    So what I wonder is How they are going to handle Jamie’s vow, which included him being exchanged for Arya and Sansa. If i recall correctly, in the book Sansa was gone by the time Jaime appeared, so obviously he could not “keep his word”.But now, he might aswellsend her back to… well. I guess there is noone left he could return them to. Still, wouldn’t there be some beef between him and Brienne then?

    Easy, have Jaime offer her a ride home with Brienne, but she will deny him. Before he manages to convince her she is snagged out of KL by Dontos. Then Jaime manages to convince Loras to release Brienne and sends her on her journey. She will likely begin her investigation in KL and find a lead at the end of this season (possibly Gendry who is conveniently there with knowledge of Arya) and leave the city on her journey to find the BWB, where Arya was last seen, and Sansa wherever she may be (joined by Pod. Though maybe she will meet Gendry in season 4, when she’s already a bit into her journey for Sansa. That will allow Pod to join them properly (since he’ll think Tyrion is with Sansa.

    This works well, doesn’t it?

  86. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    An other thing I can’t wait to see is Gendry with a beard. He was already growing one at the end of S3. When Brienne sees him she will totally think he’s Renly!

  87. Sean C.
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    So what I wonder is How they are going to handle Jamie’s vow, which included him being exchanged for Arya and Sansa. If i recall correctly, in the book Sansa was gone by the time Jaime appeared, so obviously he could not “keep his word”.But now, he might aswellsend her back to… well. I guess there is noone left he could return them to. Still, wouldn’t there be some beef between him and Brienne then?

    Easy, have Jaime offer her a ride home with Brienne, but she will deny him. Before he manages to convince her she is snagged out of KL by Dontos. Then Jaime manages to convince Loras to release Brienne and sends her on her journey. She will likely begin her investigation in KL and find a lead at the end of this season (possibly Gendry who is conveniently there with knowledge of Arya) and leave the city on her journey to find the BWB, where Arya was last seen, and Sansa wherever she may be (joined by Pod. Though maybe she will meet Gendry in season 4, when she’s already a bit into her journey for Sansa. That will allow Pod to join them properly (since he’ll think Tyrion is with Sansa.

    Many people seem to have forgotten or missed this, but Loras said in season 2 that he doesn’t believe Brienne killed Renly, so what he does in the book cannot happen in the show.

    As to the rest, I absolutely don’t want them to turn Sansa’s escape into yet another thing the audience is going to call her stupid for. Having her turn down Jaime and Brienne, fan-favourite duo, in favour of anybody else will trigger those accusations. It doesn’t matter if she has no reason to trust Jaime — she has no reason to want to marry Tyrion, and yet a significant portion of the audience/readership thinks she was a bitch for not doing so. Moreover, I really can’t see how she wouldn’t trust Brienne, who is very obviously trustworthy; show!Sansa trusts Shae, a Lannister maid who there’s far less reason to.

  88. Bard
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually surprised that Dontos will be back in Season 4, since we only saw him in, what, 2 episodes? I knew they hadn’t completely ruled it out, but I wasn’t too optimistic about his return. I’m glad they don’t forget about the smaller characters which had been introduced before.

    I really really hope they remember to bring back Kevan Lannister too. Lancels return has been confirmed, or am I mistaken?

  89. Roger König
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    I am quite sure, that Gendry will join Pod and Brienne. And it makes sense to me. Pod knows how Sansa looks, Gendry knows how Arya looks. Brienne hasnt seen any of them. And her task still quite impossible to do, if someone thinks it would make it way easier for her. ;)

  90. jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Well, show Brienne wouldn’t even meet her in that scenario. She would be locked up.
    As for Loras, yes- he suspects Stannis was responsible. But how would Stannis do it? Do you honestly believe he speculates Melisandre unleashed a shadow-queef to murder Renly? He probably suspects Stannis but still, in part, blames Brienne (who pretty much everyone else blames).

    My original plan was that Sansa actually does intend to leave with Brienne with the help of Jaime (after Jaime has his talk with Loras about releasing Brienne) and that they plan to meet after the the royal wedding. Then of course Littlefinger was going to ask her to follow him and in the commotion of Joffrey’s murder, she will comply. Obviously, now Dontos will take Littlefinger’s role but may still work. It’s a bit problematic, but it can work.

  91. jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Bard:
    I’m actually surprised that Dontos will be back in Season 4, since we only saw him in, what, 2 episodes? I knew they hadn’t completely ruled it out, but I wasn’t too optimistic about his return. I’m glad they don’t forget about the smaller characters which had beenintroduced before.

    I really really hope they remember to bring backKevan Lannister too. Lancels return has been confirmed, or am I mistaken?

    As far as I know you are mistaken. It was not confirmed anywhere.

  92. WildSeed
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    Dontos confirmed, Edmure out, Natalia Tena out, Slynt, Thorne and Lysa and her baby boy are in as well. What other minor characters were confirmed? Any news of Tommen’s return?

    Captain America returns to GoT ? Really ? If so, and I realise his ridicule via Joffrey
    was part of his book introduction , at least onscreen he’s clarified his gratitude
    towards Sansa. What I don’t get now, are his choice lines previously spoken
    by Littlefinger ( S2 )leaves him with much left to say. GoT chastised Dontos a bit
    too much, IMO, I cannot look upon him as anything but a buffoon. Well, it’s
    probably a bit part anyway.

  93. Mursk
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the theories being tossed around, I think we should prepare for quite a departure from the books from here on out. Hope for the best, prepare for the unexpected.

    Will Brienne meet Sansa face-to-face?

    Will the trial-by-combat even involve the Mountain?

    Will Stannis actually help at the Wall during the battle or will he arrive afterwards and take credit like the king in that Dragonslayer movie? Thus adding to his douche-itude on the show?

  94. jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Mursk,

    There is no way Stannis won’t save the day. You know it’s true because it rhymes. Even if he arrives earlier, which is entirely possible, Stannis will definitely be the one that tips the battle at the Wall towards the NW and I reckon it will be quite similar to the books, too.

    Now, while Brienne meeting Sansa is definitely avoidable, is it really that bad? Would it really affect much of the coming story? I don’t think so. But yeah, it can be avoided by having Brienne arrested, like in the book.

    You did manage to terrify me about the whole Mountain thing, though. I still doubt you could be right because there is absolutely no reason to make that change…

  95. Selmy
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Mursk,

    1. Possibly
    2. Yes
    3. I don’t see why that would happen. It would definitely annoy me if they did that. That’s Stannis’ heroic moment. And I don’t think he’s a douche.

  96. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Even if Loras doesn’t arrest Brienne, he would stil lwant to question her. She and Catelyn were the only people present when Renly died.

    Bard,

    Kevan has to be back. He becomes very important after Tywin’s death.

    jentario,

    An other scenario that would be interesting would be to have Dontos tell Sansa he’s taking her to Brienne so that she can escape, but he takes her to LF instead.

  97. Monica
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Ramsay loves hunting. He may practice on one of his women, before he looks for Starks. He might want Reek along to witness the fun & games .

    Great to have Dontos back!

    I’d love the PW for episode 34, directed by Alan Tayor!

    Looking forward to Lysa & son combo.

  98. Independent George
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Dothraki productions without at least three deaths on set are considered a dull affair.

  99. Jack
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    A friend of mine saw Liam Cunningham on a flight to Ireland from London a few weeks ago, so he is around.

  100. sunspear
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Independent George:
    Dothraki productions without at least three deaths on set are considered a dull affair.

    Tell that to the people who made Luck.

  101. tysnow
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    Yara/Asha is not going to the Moat people, pay attention to the show please and not just the books. She has taken a ship with the 50 best fighters and is sailing around Dorne and up the Narrow Sea for a commando raid on the Dreadfort, which by the way is near the eastern shore, far far away from the Neck, which is inland.
    I like a posters idea that perhaps Stannis captures her in route, therefore removing the wayward bride chapters and arc (including Kingsmoot).

  102. Michael274
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Who gives a shit, he’s a horribly written character in the books anyway. This is one of those characters that i’m rather indifferent if they are in or out .

  103. Michael274
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Wasn’t she in Deepwood Motte and not Moat Cailin in the books anyway ?

  104. DarkRavenous
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Hey guys, my boyfriend’s dad spotted both Stephen Dillane and Liam Cunningham in Belfast on Thursday morning. They were both coming out of a hotel so most likely they are both filming over here. He was so excited he pulled over and phones us.

  105. moophasa
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Stacia,

    Well her character is clearly not underage. The audience would know that a) she’s not Arya, b) she’s no Arya’s age.

  106. jentario
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    DarkRavenous:
    Hey guys, my boyfriend’s dad spotted both Stephen Dillane and Liam Cunningham in Belfast on Thursday morning. They were both coming out of a hotel so most likely they are both filming over here. He was so excited he pulled over and phones us.

    Sweet! Thanks for the info.

  107. Adam
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:26 pm | Permalink

    Yes! She was stunningly beautiful (even if kinda a bit mean to Theon) and I’d love to see her back.

  108. Chickenduck
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Bard:
    I’m actually surprised that Dontos will be back in Season 4, since we only saw him in, what, 2 episodes? I knew they hadn’t completely ruled it out, but I wasn’t too optimistic about his return. I’m glad they don’t forget about the smaller characters which had beenintroduced before.

    I really really hope they remember to bring backKevan Lannister too. Lancels return has been confirmed, or am I mistaken?

    Lancel hasn’t been officially confirmed, but there’s an interview with Eugene Simon that suggests he is expecting to return at some point – he talks about what he wants to happen with the character in future.

    Watch it here.

    I LOVED the surprise of seeing Maester Aemon back in the last episode of S3… So I’m fairly optimistic that Kevan and Lancel will be back. Kevan maybe not until S5 though.

  109. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    moophasa,

    Jeyne is about the same age as Sansa in the books.

  110. Adam
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Thoughts on Charlotte Hope’s character.

    RAMSAY BEST NOT HUNT HER DOWN. I will make sure he doesn’t. I will take care of her, and keep her safe. … What’s that, you say, she’s a fictional character? And it’s exceedingly likely she’ll be used in that capacity? STOP IT.

    As Fake Arya? I doubt it. An underage character might be problematic for certain scenes or even for the implied underage sex, but a character who’s obviously much older than Arya will be problematic for the plot. If push comes to shove, they’ll tone down the sexual nature of her plotline and move on.

  111. Michael274
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know if anyone watches the White Queen(it’s a tv show set in the period of the War of the Roses which inspired GOT) but the actress who plays Anne Neville is 27 years old and looks like she’s 15 or 16 . So they can obviously cast someone who looks younger if they want to .

  112. Turncloak
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    Episode 1: Blackfish floods Riverrun and recaptures it. Tywin and Jaime have a falling out. Tywin gives him a new sword, Jaime calls out Tywin. Tywin sends Jaime to lift the siege at Riverun. Now Jaime won’t be present for the PW.

    Problem solved

  113. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    Exactly. We don’t need to see Jeyne being raped and tortured, as long as we know she is suffering. What’s important is that she looks about the same age as Arya. The Northerners believed she was Arya Stark and talked about how much she was suffering (and they suffered with her). If they bring a 25 year old woman and present her as Arya the Northerners would know it’s a lie.

  114. Cary Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    You should probably not be too attached to her. Because every time someone comes on this board and says “Oh, that (new tv) character will probably wind up being a grown-up replacement for Fake Arya they wind up having a horrible excruciating death. (Ros? Talisa?)

    It is known.

  115. Cary Storm
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Michael274,

    It’s because she’s going to get a lot older before the series is through, not because they necessarily wanted her to play a much younger actress.

  116. Scott Glennon
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad they’re back shooting. It sounds like a fun time. I saw some strange Vine videos from Sophie and Maisie on twitter. What a pair! :-) Looking forward to the PW, and all the events that surround it.

    The North Remembers…

  117. Zack
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Be vewy quiet. They’re hunting Bwan and Wickon

    I’m pretty excited for more Thramsey, TBH.

  118. patchface
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Charlotte Hope and the actress that plays Doreah are the best looking girls in the show so far!

  119. Greg
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I know Asha doesn’t stay at Moat Cailin, what I’m saying is that she will leave some ironmen there, and they will be the crew that Ramsay and Theon later root out. After the Kingsmoot, Asha will go to Deepwood Motte.

  120. WompWomp
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Still holding onto some hopes from the S3 finale, namely a cold open [badum-TSH!] with Catelyn’s resurrection, with Lady Stoneheart not being revealed until the S4 finale or so.

    So Ramsay’s whore is back next year? Rising a horse? Sounds like Ramsay is in for a little recreational hunting. #TheMostDangerousGameOfThrones

  121. sunspear
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Big red NO. If they do that, Jaime has nothing to do in season 5, he doesn’t rescue Tyrion, and Tyrion doesn’t kill Tywin.

  122. Lefthand Longstrider
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Adam:
    As Fake Arya? . . . but a character who’s obviously much older than Arya will be problematic for the plot. . . .

    I really don’t see how an older character is problematic for the plot. Theon states in his chapters in ADWD that he thinks Manderly and Lady Dustin might suspect that Ramsey hasn’t married the real Arya. All they really need to do is write it so Manderly states his suspicions out loud. It might go something like

    Manderly: [Conspiratorially to heretofore nameless Northron Lord ] That’s not Arya Stark. That girl is at least 10 years older than Arya Stark.

    JamesBondBolton: [From behind the two lords] What were you saying Lord Manderly?

    Manderly: [fearfully]Ohh.. Nothing my lord. Would you like some pie?

    JamesBondBolton: [Please to put that fire out] Yes. Yes I believe I would.

    I’ve also never seen anything here about a possibility for Yara. That she is captured by Stannis this next season and then takes the place of Val in season 5.

  123. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    ytdn:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Why not? He’d probably be down with dying it, and if not they could do a wig. Why do you think it wouldn’t work on screen? I’m genuinely curious.

    I don’t know that I’d see it as realistic, someone’s hair going white that quickly. Maybe his hair thinning, but in some ways I feel like from a filmed perspective I can see him looking more like one of the prisoners in Alien3 trapped on that world at the edge of hell, shaved heads, desiccated looking, that sort of thing.

  124. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Crozyr,

    I have been wondering this too.

    I guess an excuse could be that the situation is complicated than they thought because she is now married to Tyrion. However in the books Jaime takes his vows to Cat very seriously (he has not since taken up arms against House Stark or Tully) and being Jaime he would find a way to get Sansa out of KL and do it. If they ignore that in the show then it would kind of undermine his brilliant character arc in season 3.

    I don’t see it as a real complication. This is Tyrion’s wife, Jaime tells him he’s going to keep his eye on her, and of his promise, but figures they’ll act on it eventually. Then, PW. Boom. Sansa suddenly not in the room. Jaime searches. She’s gone. WTF? Sends Brienne to find her.

  125. Turncloak
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Ur jumping to conclusions. Jaime can simply head back to kingslanding after hearing about the PW and show up in episode 3. In season 5 he can be sent out of kingslanding to deal with the brotherhood.

  126. Caravaggio
    Posted July 12, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Charlotte Hope, who played one of Ramsay’s women last season, recently tweeted that she’s been taking horseback riding lessons.

    Uh oh. If speculation about her character comes true, we may actually start seeing the worst of Ramsay’s tendencies this season. :(

    On a lighter note, that photo with Alfie, Theon, and fans is hilarious. Lavery’s Belfast is quickly becoming the real-life version of the Inn at the Crossroads!

  127. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    These types posts are why i love WIC. Helping kill time while waiting for the next season. Plus i love all the speculation and ideas everyone has!

  128. tysnow
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    I hope Ms Hope isn’t the one brutalized, she is to way gorgeous and hot for any torture porn harm. Would prefer she took on a role with more duration, cause I would love to see more of her.

  129. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    More torture porn!!! I liked Theon’s storyline, the cringiness of it all.

    But where is Quaithe? Any report on the actress WIC? I want her and her prophecies!!!

  130. Eleanor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:58 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    Winter Is Coming,

    I’m pretty excited for more Thramsey, TBH.

    Great portmanteau!

  131. Kosis
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Does anyone remember that girl that was washing the blood away after the first scene of season 2? They focused on her so much that I felt there was some sort of importance… Fake Arya?

  132. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor,

    Yes more quaithe

  133. KG
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Maybe when we next see Rickon, he’s at Last Hearth/Wherever, and Osha left him there?

  134. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,
    Speaking of jumping to conclusions, you are jumping to the conclusion that Joffrey’s wedding will be in episode 2 just because GRRM is writing it, even though that history shows he is more likely to write an uneventful episode than an eventful one.

  135. A Storm of S-Words
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    I believe the Fake Arya storyline is essential and would be it great to see it play out, but it couldn’t possibly happen in Season 4. The show has to get through the rest of Storm of Swords and most of Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons before Fake Arya has anything to do, so that puts it in season 6. By that time the characters would all be older (Maisie would be 18 herself) so it wouldn’t be so disturbing. Forget the sex… most viewers won’t stomach a 13-year old character being tortured, even off-screen. As for the choice of character, I can’t see them using Sansa’s friend Jeyne for it because she hasn’t been in the show. Part of the interest in the books was thinking, “aha, I see what happened to Jeyne now…” because we already knew the character and wondered what happened to her. What the show might do is introduce a new female character in the next season or two so we get to know her, then have her shipped off to Ramsey in season 6.

    As for Charlotte Hope being ahorse, I don’t see why she has to be fleeing Ramsey (well, aside from the fact that everyone should flee him). Horses are transportation. Maybe she just goes somewhere with him, as a henchman or concubine or whatever. Weren’t his prey girls usually on foot anyway?

  136. MRR
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    I think the wildling attack on Castle Black (with Tormund, Ygritte et al) will be the big episode 4 moment. There’s a chance they will completely change how that goes in the show—Orell won’t be able to scout for Mance’s fire, so perhaps the wildlings will just try to attack as soon as they can, fearing that Jon’s warning will lead to defensive preparations?—but if things stick reasonably close to the books, this needs to happen sooner rather than later in the season.

    This opens up episode 2 or 3 (I think 2 would be more of a nice shocker) for Joff’s wedding, which also needs to happen early because of how much action it precipitates in KL this season.

    I’m inclined to think that Yara’s trip will get interrupted by news of Balon’s death and that she’ll have to turn back, but… we’ll see how that goes, I guess.

    I also think it’s too early to bother speculating about “fake Arya” yet. Just wait and see what happens!

  137. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    MRR,
    I disagree that the Battle at Castle Black will be the episode 4 moment. Based on the leaked audition for Styr I believe that in the show Tormund’s attack will be delayed while waiting for Styr’s reinforcements. This gives Jon some time to heal and, more importantly, more chance for the show to focus on King’s Landing. I then think that Joffrey’s wedding will be the episode 4 moment.

    Concerning YarAsha’s attempt to save Theon: having her turn back makes little to no sense from a storytelling perspective, and it makes absolutely no sense within the setting. To have her turn back after setting it up would be horrible storytelling. And more importantly she is on a boat. She has no way to find out that Balon has died as Raven’s can’t go to boats.

    As for Jeyne Poole, it makes sense for that arc to be set up in season 4.

    Generally speaking, here is how I think those storylines will play out:
    31 – Tywin informs the council that he has invited many Lords to the capital for Joffrey’s wedding. Tormund realises that he cannot complete the mission and sends men back to Mance asking for reinforcements. Grenn and Edd return, and they join Sam and Pyp in visiting Jon, who is still incapacitated.

    32 – We open the episode with the arrival of the Dornish envoys. Jon is now up and moving but still injured. He warns the senior members of the Watch about the impending attack. Mance receives Tormund’s message and sends a moderate amound of men lead by Styr to reinforce him. At Pyke Aeron is talking with Balon. Balon leaves the room and crosses one of the bridges at Pyke only to be pushed over the edge by an unknown figure. Aeron notices the Silence in the distance.

    33 – We open in the throne room at Pyke. Euron bursts through the doors and crowns himself. Roose arrives at the capital and Ramsay is legitimised, the wedding to Pre-wedding scenes. Loras is sworn into the Kingsguard. The episode ends with the battle between YarAsha and Ramsay. She is defeated, but during during the battle Ramsay taunts her with the knowledge of Balon’s death.

    34 – Styr and his men join with Tormund’s force, who have been camping while waiting for the reinforcements. The Watch is preparing Castle Black to repel the attack and they discuss strategies. Joffrey’s wedding, ending with Joffrey’s death.

    35 – We open with Sansa fleeing through the city. Dontos leads her to Petyr’s boat. Roose meets with Tywin and discuss how to hold the North now that Sansa is gone. Tormund’s group reach Caslte Black and we get the battle. The episode ends with Jon finding Ygritte dying. Tormund escapes beyond the Wall.

    36 – Tyrion’s trial. YarAsha returns to Pyke. She is warned by Aeron about the situation, but she goes on to confront Euron nonetheless. Tormund returns to Mance but they decide to go ahead with the siege. The Watch counts its losses and prepares for the siege as Sam tries to cheer up Jon.

    37 – Tyrion tries to find a champion. The siege of the Wall begins. Bowen and Aemon tell Jon “The Wall is Yours” and he leads the Watch in battle in the tunnel and just north of it. Mance’s initial strike is repelled.

    38 – Jon and the Watch seniors survey the aftermath of the initial strike, but as they return south of the Wall Alliser and Janos arrive and imprison Jon. YarAsha and Aeron take council together and discuss the situation. The episode ends with the trial by combat.

    39 – Aeron and YarAsha confront Euron together and tell him that they are calling a Kingsmoot to decide if he is truly their king. Only a little bit of King’s Landing at the start of the episode. Alliser and Janos summon Jon and tell him to treat with Mance. While treating with Mance Stannis arrives and a battle ensues (this sequence at the Wall lasts for ~30-40 minutes)

    40 – Stannis lets Wildlings pass south of the Wall if they swear allegiance to him, and he tells the Watch that they need to elect a new Lord Commander. Ellaria and Roose leave with Oberyn’s body and Jeyne Poole respectively. Tyrion’s escape.

  138. Arthur
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    When The Red Viper walks on the set, D&D best play his theme song…

    http://youtu.be/Lhv_yFMuwx

    Because it’s about time the Lannisters receive some blowback.

  139. Arkash
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 5:16 am | Permalink

    Apparently, the actor who played Polliver tweeted that he’s back !

  140. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    I know that I link this almost every thread, but I keep on refining it and reworking it :P.

    Anyway, here are my detailed predictions for Game of Thrones season 4 (MAJOR SPOILERS from the books, so Unsullied should avoid):
    http://tahu909.livejournal.com/1089.html
    There are links to my season 5 and season 6+ predictions at the bottom.

  141. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    I don’t know… teaching one of Ramsay’s women to ride a horse sounds pretty ominous to me (see: Ramsay’s hunt). But then again, if that were the scene, Ramsay would be the only one on horseback.

    Maybe he wants to give her a head start? Like the one he gave Theon.

    Then again, it seems like the TV show is really trying to tone Ramsay down (which they probably have to, given how gnarly he is in the books). So, perhaps Ramsay’s women won’t be treated so poorly? We shall see.

  142. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    Varamyr Fourskins,
    I wouldn’t say Ramsay has been toned down, but rather toned differently. In the books he is very much angry and sadistic, but in the show (based on what we have seen thus far) instead of being angry and taking out that anger through sadism, he seems to be just plain sadistic and gains pleasure from hurting others.

  143. Owen
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Thoughts on FakeArya… I think she needs to be in there, since she’s the key to the north, and Ramsay’s possession of her helps keep the Northern lords at bay. She should be set up this season but all her important stuff should happen Season 5 (and 6 depending on how long it needs to be stretched). I also think that it’s more important to have a vaguely similar looking 13 year old, and drop the sex parts, than an 18-year old. Either an 18-year-old looks 13 and it’s creepy, or she looks 18 and we drop our willingness to believe that the Northern lords are fooled.

    Reasonable similarity IS important; if you showed a 30-year-old women and said “This is Arya!” (like Ros would have been) the Northerners would think they were being mocked and be less willing to cooperate.

    I think the setup of FakeArya can give Arya’s plot this season some more dynamism, since the show can headfake viewers into thinking Arya’s actually been captured, then give them a WTF moment when she escapes and Tywin goes ahead with the plot anyway. Arya’s capture-and-escape could replace the Inn at the Crossroads Moment, since she’s already gone crazy-stabby, and there’s no Gold in the Village speech to give.

    Here’s how it could work:

    Episode 5: Arya and the Hound show up at the Inn, encounter Polliver and his gang. They injure and knock out the drunken Hound and take Arya captive. This has a bonus “troll the book-readers” effect which is always fun. Polliver ends the episode, or Arya’s time in it, by leaning in close with a grin… “We’ve been looking for you a long time, girl.”

    Episode 6: No Arya. Roose Bolton, who has been hanging around post-PW, gets his face time with Tywin, asking for something (soldiers maybe?) to consolidate his rule. Right before this exchange, Tywin receives a letter of great enough importance to interrupt his meeting. He reads it briefly then continues:

    “The Northern lords will not easily forget their Young Wolf. Already Umber and Manderly are mustering their soldiers. We need more men to hold the north.”
    “And you ask for Lannister men? Lions for the wolf to devour, I say. I will not send Lannister men to die in the frozen north.”
    “Even with the Karstarks on our side, we cannot stay the North’s revenge.”
    “And some would think that good and proper. The Kingslayer is cursed in the eyes of god and men. Nonetheless, the Boltons have done the crown leal service, and a Lannister always pays his debts. I cannot give you more men. But I can give you Arya Stark.”

    Episode 7: Polliver & friends are taking Arya to Saltpans, where they’ll board a ship for KL. “Wait til Tywin Lannister sees your face. There’ll be a lordship in it for me.” This is intentionally ambiguous; it implies that maybe he hasn’t sent a message on ahead, so how would Tywin know about Arya? There would be a good deal of WTF. The rest of Arya’s time is just Polliver being awful and Arya looking for a chance to kill him. It could be a nice inversion of Arya’s riverland travels, with conversations with interesting, variously amoral characters, since Polliver’s just a giant doucheturd.

    Episode 8: Polliver and co, boarding ship (or about to), meet the Hound, who has tracked them here. Hound wins in epic-awesome fight, but is mortally wounded. Arya makes the final kill with Needle.

    Episode 10: Hound begs for mercy, Arya doesn’t give it, gets on ship. Jaime, leaving King’s Landing, meets Roose Bolton leaving for the North… with Arya Stark.

    That’s Arya in episodes 5, 7 , 8, 10, with 2 scenes (Roose & Tywin in #6, Roose/Jaime/Jeyne in #10) setting up Fake Arya. If necessary for spacing, you could push the episodes forward, happening in 4, 6, 8, 10, Roose & Tywin in #5. Then you just need her to have filler plot with the Hound in one episode before this.

    Note: I wrote this post before discovering two big things wrong. ONE: Polliver doesn’t recognize Arya! TWO: How would the Hound get in a fight without either winning or dying? Number two is fairly easy to resolve: Arya slips out beforehand, gets captured, Hound falls asleep dead drunk, and Polliver & co don’t mess with him, etc. Number one is a lot tougher: maybe the Hound blurts it out when drunk? Maybe Polliver has picked up an ex-BWOB guy along the way? Maybe Polliver learned who Arya is from a BWOB guy he was torturing? I don’t know, but I feel like it could be partly handwaved.

  144. Selmy
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Interesting ideas.
    I’m especially interested by the idea of Roose coming to King’s Landing. Although there is no need for him to be there in terms of Ramsay being legitimized (that can be done through letters sent by ravens). However the idea of Roose talking with Tywin and them coming up with the idea of a fake Arya would be really cool. I would love to see those two actors share a scene – they’re fantastic. This would also give Roose stuff to do next season other than lying low at the Twins.

  145. Friend Of fire
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Will the countdown clock be returning?

  146. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Selmy,
    Giving Roose something to do was my main idea there. Given what he did in season 3 (killing Robb) it would be wise to keep him on screen so viewers still have that in their minds. And by bringing him to King’s Landing you can achieve this while both stopping Ramsay and Reek from getting too far ahead and setting up the fake Arya plot in a really effective way.

    The rather unlikely idea that I think would be interesting to see (assuming Roose goes to King’s Landing) is if he replaces Tywin as one of Tyrion’s judges. This would allow Tywin to be one of the witnesses against Tyrion, and also makes the trial more believable to the court as Tyrion’s father being a witness instead of a judge strengthens the case against him. Also, a Mace-Roose-Oberyn dynamic could be very interesting. 99% sure that it will never happen, but it could be interesting.

  147. Bard
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Selmy: Ser Tahu,

    Interesting ideas.I’m especially interested by the idea of Roose coming to King’s Landing. Although there is no need for him to be there in terms of Ramsay being legitimized (that can be done through letters sent by ravens). However the idea of Roose talking with Tywin and them coming up with the idea of a fake Arya would be really cool. I would love to see those two actors share a scene – they’re fantastic. This would also give Roose stuff to do next season other than lying low at the Twins.

    He could simply attend the wedding and present himself to his (new) king. Reason enough to come to KL.

    Another idea: They could also expand the Arya/Sandor storyline by sending them to Riverrun, so we could see the Blackfish again and prepare the ground for Jaime’s future tasks in the Riverlands in the next season without the need to establish an extra storyline. Maybe the Blackfish decides to send Arya to the Eyrie (problem: what about the Hound?) because of the beginning siege of Riverrun, though she never gets there.

  148. Selmy
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Yeah I love Michael McElhatton as Roose and really don’t want him to be absent for a whole season and as you said the viewers should be reminded he exists (especially as he becomes perhaps the premiere villain of DWD).
    You’ve won me round to him coming to King’s Landing but replacing Tywin as a judge? Not on board with that. Perhaps he could be a judge alongside Tywin, Oberyn and Mace… though I don’t really see a need for him to be involved in Tyrion’s trial. If he’s in KL then there would be plenty of stuff for him to do. He could meet with Tywin and have a very tense conversation where Tywin asks how Jaime came to be crippled while a captive of his men. Roose tells him that it was the work of a rogue operative who has seen been executed for his crime (even if he hasn’t). Then the talk of Ramsay’s legitimization and how best to hold the North and creating a fake Arya.
    If he doesn’t go to King’s Landing perhaps we just occasionally catch up with him at the Twins, chatting with Walder and getting leechings and being creepy..

  149. He Who Must Be Named
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    This is how I think Roose’s story will play out:

    He’ll be absent for the first four episodes, then has a scene at the Twins with Walder. He tells Walder he’s going to the Dreadfort (which is conquered by Yara in my predictions). Around episode seven he’ll arrive there and defeat Yara’s men. In episode 9, Yara will return there, only to find out that her men are slaughtered. She escapes. Ramsay and Theon get back there in episode ten (after hunting Bran and Rickon) and have some interactions with Roose.

    Sorry for my English, it’s not my native language.

  150. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Friend Of fire:
    Will the countdown clock be returning?

    Oh most definitely. We’re just waiting for the official premiere date to be announced.

  151. Cavegirl
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Don’t know where to put this up. I also have pics of the Game of Thrones Talk & Screening

    London Film & Comic Con Cosplay Video featuring Lena Headey, Kristian Nairn & Jason Momoa amongst others.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FviLQ-PJTb0&feature=player_embedded

  152. Bard
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    King’s Landing will be almost overcrowded next season:

    I. Team Lannister

    1. Tywin 2. Cersei 3. Jaime 4. Tyrion 5. Joffrey 6. Tommen [?] 7. Kevan [?] 8. Lancel [?]

    II. Team Tyrell

    1. Margaery 2. Olenna 3. Mace [new!] 4. Loras

    III Team Martell

    1. Oberyn [new!] 2. Ellaria Sand [new!]

    Other characters:

    Sansa, Varys, Pycelle, Shae, Brienne, Bronn, Meryn Trant, Podrick, Gregor Clegane, Qyburn, Dontos

    Possible characters: Roose Bolton, Gendry, Arianne Martell

  153. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Cavegirl:
    Don’t know where to put this up. I also have pics of the Game of Thrones Talk & Screening

    London Film & Comic Con Cosplay Video featuring Lena Headey, Kristian Nairn & Jason Momoa amongst others.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FviLQ-PJTb0&feature=player_embedded

    That’s an awesome vid. Thanks for sharing!

  154. House Snow
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Bard:
    King’s Landing will be almost overcrowded next season:

    I.Team Lannister


    1. Tywin 2. Cersei 3. Jaime 4. Tyrion 5. Joffrey 6. Tommen [?] 7. Kevan [?] 8. Lancel [?]

    II. Team Tyrell

    1. Margaery 2. Olenna 3. Mace [new!] 4. Loras

    III Team Martell

    1. Oberyn [new!] 2. Ellaria Sand [new!]

    Other characters:

    Sansa, Varys, Pycelle, Shae, Brienne, Bronn, Meryn Trant, Podrick, Gregor Clegane, Qyburn, Dontos

    Possible characters: Roose Bolton, Gendry, Arianne Martell

    That’s a good thing though an not that hard to pull of considering that Robb’s storyline is gone, and Sam and Jon storyline is combined. Only LF gets a new storyline it will probably be focused more later in the season. The other storylines will probably get about the same amt of time as last year. That like 4 or so scenes an episode that can go to other people.

  155. Cavegirl
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: That’s an awesome vid. Thanks for sharing!

    Don’t know where to put this up. I also have pics of the Game of Thrones Talk & Screening

    London Film & Comic Con Cosplay Video featuring Lena Headey, Kristian Nairn & Jason Momoa amongst others.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FviLQ-PJTb0&feature=player_embedded

    You’re welcome ;)

  156. Bard
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    House Snow: That’s a good thing though an not that hard to pull of considering that Robb’s storyline is gone, and Sam and Jon storyline is combined. Only LF gets a new storyline it will probably be focused more later in the season. The other storylines will probably get about the same amt of time as last year. That like 4 or so scenes an episode that can go to other people.

    Agree. It’s also astonishing how many of these characters are either going to die or going to leave the place during season 5.

  157. Arkash
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    That’s a good thing though an not that hard to pull of considering that Robb’s storyline is gone, and Sam and Jon storyline is combined. Only LF gets a new storyline it will probably be focused more later in the season. The other storylines will probably get about the same amt of time as last year. That like 4 or so scenes an episode that can go to other people.

    You still have Yara’s story that must go somewhere, probably Osha and Rickon too, probably some scenes with Mance, Tormund and Ygritte, added.

  158. MRR
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: having her turn back makes little to no sense from a storytelling perspective, and it makes absolutely no sense within the setting. To have her turn back after setting it up would be horrible storytelling.

    It’s “horrible storytelling” if you take it purely at face value. It could be set up as an important decision and/or compromise for Yara, and Martin’s work anyway is full of moments where peoples big, ambitious plans change and fail; where responsibility gets in the way of passion, etc. etc. I see that in your writeup you have her changing direction as well, you just think that she can sail around the entire continent in 3 episodes’ time. I think we disagree quite a bit on the amount of time things will take.

    I also strongly disagree that they will leave Jon “incapacitated” for as long as you suggest. The arrival of Slynt and company and the complications that arise there will take more than the half-episode you’ve allotted to resolve. If nothing else I think the “early battle” needs to get out of the way early in the season to make room for the political intrigue at Castle Black in mid-season.

    I also don’t think there’s much happening at KL in the early season aside from “introductions”, and “introductions” without plot movement make for uninteresting television. I don’t see Joff’s wedding happening very late, since it’s what causes so much of the action in KL this season. It needs to happen early so that the plot won’t be rushed later on. An episode or two of Jaime trying to re-connect with his family, Loras locking up Brienne, and a check-in with Sansa is all there really is to happen pre-wedding. Many of the characters should probably be introduced at the wedding anyway.

    Also, there’s no reason to leave half-sentences un-spoilered. Nobody who avoids reading spoilers is gleaning anything of use there; if anything people are going to read a bit of text and just be tempted to read more, which we don’t want them to do. It’s easier to just spoiler full paragraphs.

  159. Caro H
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Yeses! They brought ser dontos back :D

  160. Bard
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see Joff’s wedding happening very late, since it’s what causes so much of the action in KL this season. It needs to happen early so that the plot won’t be rushed later on.

    We have Tyrion’s trial (2-3 episodes?), the duel (1 episode) and Tyrion’s escape and murder of Tywin and Shae (1 episode). Maybe one episode which deals with the aftermath of Tyrions actions, should they be in episode 9 (though it’s a bit more likely at the moment that Stannis arrival at the wall is going to be the big episode 9 moment). I don’t see why they need to rush the plot if the PW is in episode 3 or 4.

  161. Greg
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Why would it be horrible storytelling to have Asha turn back? The books are well-known for constantly changing routes and numerous potential storylines have suddenly stopped short because of other events. Look at this past season with Robb, I’m sure many non-book readers were expecting this grand battle at Casterly Rock.

  162. Blood of the Dragon
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Seeing as Kevan isn’t important until after Tywin’s death, I can see him being re-introduced at Tywin’s funeral beg-mid season 5. This way, they can focus on closing the character arcs solely from the latter half of ASOS rather than bringing in characters that aren’t important until AFFC/ADWD. Although I have to admit I would like to see Kevan sooner. It would be nice for the Unsullied to get to know him before he dies, late S5 or early S6.

  163. Blood of the Dragon
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    As someone mentioned earlier, I believe we will see fakeArya this season. However, it will just be Jaime or some other character seeing her leaving KL on a horse like in the books. This, if executed at the proper time, will give her enough time to travel north and make it to Ramsay by late season 5 or early season 6. This, of course, all depends on how convoluted the other arcs become.

  164. SerHotStuff
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    patchface:
    Cary Storm,

    Charlotte Hope and the actress that plays Doreah are the best looking girls in the show so far!

    Hell no! whatsherface who plays Doreah can’t act for sheisse either. Natalies Tena and Dormer are the hottest! Also CVH would give any of them a run for their money!

  165. Selmy
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    SerHotStuff,

    Missandei…

  166. Arthur
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    I agree!

    Missandei is beautiful. D&D been hiding here beautiful natural curves under her loose garments.

    When the actress was first cast “Nathalie” and people were linking pics of her my mouth dropped. Problem is not a lot of people know what’s hiding under her robes so very few put her up there in ranking the top beautiful women of GoT.

    Hopefully we can see her out of her robes soon, not saying nude, just saying not in baggy clothes so people can have the same jaw-dropping visual experience as I had =]

  167. DocFilth
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Kerry Ingram was in London today, FWIW. I only know that because I saw her in the Doctor Who Prom.

  168. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Quaithe??????

    I can’t wait for season 4, should be the best of all. A masterpiece. And I can’t wait for the Red Viper/Martell song. Should be exotic and badass.

    Casting news have been very underwhelming this year. Coldhands? Greyjoys? Sand snake? Hizdar? Shavepate?

  169. Chickenduck
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor:

    Casting news have been very underwhelming this year. Coldhands? Greyjoys? Sand snake? Hizdar? Shavepate?

    You might be waiting a while, none of those (except Ellaria Sand) have been confirmed to even be in S4, maybe not even in the show.

  170. Arthur
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor,

    A lot of WiC posters have pointed out that many characters will die in season 4 and this will clear a lot of space for season 5 to add many new characters. So season 5 casting news will be fun!

    As far as The Red Viper’s theme song… It’s already out there have a listen! =]

    http://youtu.be/Lhv_yFMuwxs

  171. tysnow
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Well my thinking is they (makeup-wardrobe and hair styling crew) are purposefully toning down Nathalie’s beauty and figure so as not to upstage Dany (who must appear as the most beautiful woman in her arc), hence the loose clothing, low key hair styling (which I might add is not on par with the other actresses), etc.

  172. Arthur
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Very good point.

    Oh well, Nathalie is beautiful and we all know it despite how hard the wardrobe people try hiding it.

  173. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    MRR,
    Greg,
    My main point is that she has no way to learn of Balon’s death before arriving at the Dreadfort. “Oh no, my spidey sense is telling me my father just died and Euron crowned himself! We must turn around immediately!

    Regarding Jon: My prediction only has him incapacitated for one episode. That isn’t exactly a long time. The main reason I think that Ygritte’s death won’t be until episode 5 is because of the leaked audition tape where Mance is sending Styr to reinforce Tormund. That needs time to play out properly.

  174. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Nice, but not exactly what I want. It needs to be badass, with drums and a touch more exotic.

  175. Arthur
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor,

    There’s plenty of drums and badassness. You didn’t listen to it all the way through. Or maybe we differ from opinion.

  176. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 13, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Drumbeat and badassery can be such subjective concepts.

  177. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted July 14, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Difference of opinion is all. Just not what I have in mind.

  178. sunspear
    Posted July 14, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Sure she can. All they have to do is have her stop for food and fresh water at the Arbor/Oldtown and have her here the news there.

  179. Sean
    Posted July 14, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    That was my first thought.

  180. Michel
    Posted July 14, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Where are the photos and rumors about actors in the filming?

  181. Julien
    Posted July 14, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    For Yara/Asha storyline : Maybe she will cross the path of her dear mad uncle during her journey on the sea to reach the Dreadfort…

  182. John
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Melisandre seems to film something at dawn..
    And before your dirty minds come to thing about it: Carice Van Houten twittered that “A 3-way is a trailer guys, unfortunately haha.” ;-)

  183. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    …now that would have been a profound alteration.

  184. Bea
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    very looking forward to Dany’s arc and the Wall!

  185. LadyDragonBorn
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Anyone seen any of the big pink GoT signs about? Haven’t seen any down near me this year, maybe theyre not using them this year?

  186. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor: Casting news have been very underwhelming this year. Coldhands? Greyjoys? Sand snake? Hizdar? Shavepate?

    By “underwhelming” do you mean nonexistent?? I’d settle for casting news of ‘Fourth Guy from Meereen’ by now.

  187. Jentario
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    LadyDragonBorn:
    Anyone seen any of the big pink GoT signs about? Haven’t seen any down near me this year, maybe theyre not using them this year?

    They are actually. A poster has already commented on seeing them.

  188. Jentario
    Posted July 15, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    John:
    Melisandre seems to film something at dawn..
    And before your dirty minds come to thing about it: Carice Van Houten twittered that “A 3-way is a trailer guys, unfortunately haha.” ;-)

    There will be a trailer where Melisandre has a three-way?! When is it coming out?!

    Sorry… Had to.

  189. SlaveGuy
    Posted July 16, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    News from SPLIT audition:

    YUNKAI and MEEREEN are definetly in this season.

  190. fgunn
    Posted July 27, 2013 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    LadyDragonBorn,
    Pink signs around Toome few days ago. Set at Moneyglass estate but no sign of any action. Love to spot something going on.


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