Roger Ashton-Griffiths cast as Mace Tyrell
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, News.

Roger Ashton-GriffithsGeorge R. R. Martin doled out the clues and it didn’t take long for our readers to solve them. Martin has now confirmed our guess was correct: Roger Ashton-Griffiths has been cast as Mace Tyrell.

Mace Tyrell is the lord of Highgarden and head of House Tyrell. He is the son of Olenna Tyrell and father to Loras and Margaery. He is, in the words of his mother, a bit of an oaf.

Roger Ashton-Griffiths is a British character actor with a long and busy career. He appeared on the big screen in Gangs of New York, A Knight’s Tale and The Brothers Grimm. On television, he has had roles in Torchwood and The Tudors.

Winter Is Coming: Props to Jordan for being the first to get this one! Solid casting. Ashton-Griffiths looks pretty close to how I imagined Mace. And he’s an experienced actor who will no doubt be able to elevate his game playing off Diana Rigg, Natalie Dormer, Charles Dance, Peter Dinklage, Conleth Hill…. holy crap, there are a lot of great actors in the King’s Landing storyline! Anyway, I digress. Good casting, fun clues! Welcome to the cast, Roger!


314 Comments

  1. Omar Brown
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Awesome, Certainly the bumbling fool aspect got nailed here. But where did Loras and Margaery get their looks from?

    Ah Brandon Gleason It was not meant to be, now…

    WHUR IS MAH VICTARION? Maybe I will discuss this with my peeps at wicgeeks.com

  2. GeekFurious
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    I am very happy about this casting. Very, very happy.

  3. JP Dayne
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    me not likey
    too old, too ugly, no hair… has nothing to do with mace’s description
    but anyways….
    never seem his work either, hope he can act…

  4. Nezzer
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown:
    Awesome, Certainly the bumbling fool aspect got nailed here. But where did Loras and Margaery get this looks from?!

    Their mother maybe? Or one of their grandparents? I know many good-looking people with ugly close relatives.

  5. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure he’ll do fine. He’s got a great resume and I remember him in a lot of small roles.

    Omar Brown,

    Young Olenna was a fox. So the genes skipped a generation. :)

  6. NewJeffCT
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    He looks like he could do “oaf” pretty well. Looks a tad old to play Mace – he’s supposed to be Olenna’s son?

  7. M
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm | Permalink

    He reminds me of Benjamin Franklin. I’ve never seen his work, but Nina Gold has never steered us wrong before!

  8. Omar Brown
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I’m sure he’ll do fine. He’s got a great resume and I remember him in a lot of small roles.

    Omar Brown,

    Young Olenna was a fox. So the genes skipped a generation. :)

    Or lady Alerie got friendly with that handsome squire!

  9. Michel
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    I always imagined Mace more fatter, but anyway, welcome to the cast Roger!

  10. NimbusWarrior7
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Nice. I think he will be amazing!

  11. Direhound
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    They hired him solely for his opposing looks to his character. I don’t think he can act either. They wouldn’t hire am actor to play a character.

    Sorry but you haven’t seem him in anything and already criticizing. Such is the life of a fan critic.

  12. Lex
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t look much like my mental image of Mace Tyrell (too old, not burly enough) but whatever. I’m sure he’ll be fine.

    What’s more interesting for me, is that we can definitely rule out Mark Gatiss as Mace Tyrell… so who is he playing? He’d make an interesting Damphair…

  13. Hi-Fi
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if we’ll get Alerie as well.

  14. Kingslayer
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    I always saw Mace as looking more like Mark Addy’s Robert Baratheon minus the facial hair…shame Mark has already been on the show cause I think he could have nailed Mace as well.

  15. billy-bumbler
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t Mace supposed to be “Lord Too Fat To Sit in his Own Chair”? That’s by far his most defining characteristic in the books if I’m not mistaken. This guy looks way too skinny. Unless they’re planning to put him in a fat suit, which I somehow doubt.

  16. House Snow
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    who cares, its arguably the least interesting character in the book. They could have gotten a five time Oscar winner and it wouldn’t change that he isn’t that interesting a character.

  17. Chickenduck
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Lex:

    What’s more interesting for me, is that we can definitely rule out Mark Gatiss as Mace Tyrell… so who is he playing? He’d make an interesting Damphair…

    I still think probably Damphair.

    Although, I liked someone else’s suggestion that he might be a one-off cameo as Merrett Frey. Maybe the secrecy could be about the fact that he would share his only scene with Lady Stoneheart!

    Or Bloodraven and just have one scene right at the end of the season…

  18. Michel
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Mark Gattis really looks like the others actors that were cast last season as Black Walder and Lothar Frey, I could really see him do Merret Frey, but the wig thing really mades me think about Aeron.

  19. Chickenduck
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    House Snow:
    who cares, its arguably the least interesting character in the book.They could have gotten a five time Oscar winner and it wouldn’t change that he isn’t that interesting a character.

    I just see that as a chance to make the character better in the show than on the page!

  20. Eric
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown,

    RE “But where did Loras and Margaery get their looks from?”
    Actually, just imagine that face paired with a really hot wife; which I’m sure the heir to Highgarden would be sure to be matched with.

  21. Cary Storm
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown:
    Awesome, Certainly the bumbling fool aspect got nailed here. But where did Loras and Margaery get their looks from?

    I’m under the opinion that they won’t age well… Loras is already looking puffy and Margaery’s mouth will continue to drift across her face…

  22. The Flayed Man
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: I’m under the opinion that they won’t age well… Loras is already looking puffy and Margaery’s mouth will continue to drift across her face…

    The porridge plague strikes again!

    I’m quite happy with this casting, actually. Besides, it’s not as if Mace will be up to much anyway aside from bumbling around on the Small Council.

  23. NewJeffCT
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    billy-bumbler:
    Isn’t Mace supposed to be “Lord Too Fat To Sit in his Own Chair”?That’s by far his most defining characteristic in the books if I’m not mistaken. This guy looks way too skinny. Unless they’re planning to put him in a fat suit, which I somehow doubt.

    No, Lord Wyman Manderly is Lord Too Fat to Sit a Horse.

    Mace is supposed to be portly, but not grossly obese like Manderly.

  24. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully they’ll invent a scene with Olenna browbeating her oaf son!

  25. Greg
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Aha! I knew Mark Gatiss wasn’t Mace. Here’s hoping he’s the Damphair!

    Anyway, I like this casting. Pretty close to how I pictured Mace, he’s just a little older.

  26. chocolateislove
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    NewJeffCT,

    He’s 56 and Diana Rigg is 75. So yeah, it’s totally plausible that she could have been his mother at 19. And 56 isn’t too old to have a 20-something/teen daughter like Margaery (idk what age she even is in the show).

  27. sunspear
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Didn’t take 10 comments. Good job Jordan!

    BTW, will Game of Owns be up tonight?

  28. Jordan
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    sunspear,

    Thanks. I think someone mentioned P.T. Barnum, and so I did a search for who played him, and there are surprisingly few actors who have, so it was a lucky find.

  29. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    He looks a little dopey. Im sure it’ll be fun to watch him.

  30. wargsareawesome
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    billy-bumbler,

    No, ‘Lord-Too-Fat-To-Ride’ is Lord Wyman Manderly

  31. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    NOT DARK ENOUGH, HE WAS OBVIOUSLY DESCRIBED AS BLACK IN THE BOOKS. :P

    All jokes aside, he isn’t quite how I pictured Mace but I’m sure he can pull it off. Now we just need a Styr and all of the confirmed new characters will be cast.

  32. Michel
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I hope Styr isn’t the last one to be cast these season :(

  33. Omar Brown
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: I’m under the opinion that they won’t age well… Loras is already looking puffy and Margaery’s mouth will continue to drift across her face…

    That is awful!!

    …..
    LMAO

  34. John W
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    So does this mean that Mark Gatiss is Doran Martell?

  35. sunspear
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    How about Mark gatiss for styr?

  36. Traveling Targaryen
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    Not what I pictured, but oh well :) I have no doubt he’ll be an amazing Mace Tyrell. Excited to see any changes made in his arc.

  37. Adam
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    M,

    What about “Yara”?

  38. outdoorcats
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    This looks like another EXCELLENT addition to the cast. I can already see him as Mace. In Nina we trust!

    billy-bumbler,

    You’ve got Mace confused with Wendel Manderley. Mace is no athlete, but he’s not described as obese either.

  39. ATG
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    sunspear:
    How about Mark gatiss for styr?

    Thats the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that Mark Gatiss had been cast, he definitely looks the part. But he isnt filming in Iceland and I assume Jon’s storyline will be shot in Iceland as usual, so the chances of him playing Styr are slim.

  40. JamesL
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    Glad I’m not the only one who still hates that casting.

  41. monsieurxander
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Adam,

    Yara’s fantastic. Gemma Whelan is a talented actress and I like the direction they’ve taken the character.

  42. Jordan
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    monsieurxander,

    I’m also a fan of Yara, think she gets a bad rap. I liked the somewhat unsympathetic presentation of the character in the second season, as it fit well with the more sympathetic Theon (compared to his book counterpart).

    Also, my sense (seemingly confirmed this past season) was that it was to allow for her to develop from there into a more sympathetic character and (possible spoilers) a leader.

  43. Nezzer
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Adam:
    M,

    What about “Yara”?

    Yara, except for the name change, is fine to me. Most fan art of hers I see is totally ridiculous, with either bikini armor, tight leather pants and/or huge cleavage. Just google it. She was never described as a gorgeous pirate queen.

  44. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    M:
    Nina Gold has never steered us wrong before!

    Mance Rayder.

    Michel,
    He most likely won’t be the last one cast. I just meant that there were only four new characters confirmed to be in season 4; Mace, Oberyn, Ellaria and Styr, and that Styr is the only one of those four yet to be cast.

    John W,
    How does that make any sense? He doesn’t look like Doran, nor is there any reason to cast Doran until season 5.

  45. Omar Brown
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    ATG: Thats the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that Mark Gatiss had been cast, he definitely looks the part. But he isnt filming in Iceland and I assume Jon’s storyline will be shot in Iceland as usual, so the chances of him playing Styr are slim.

    Arent all the Iceland shoots in the summer this time? So Iceland doesnt equal the wall in S4. All Wall and beyond should be Ireland shoots. If he is in Ireland that might still be a possibility.

  46. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown: Arent all the Iceland shoots in the summer? So Iceland doesnt equal the wall in S4. All Wall and beyond should be Ireland shoots. If he is in Ireland that might still be a possibility.

    Unless I am very much mistaken, Rose Leslie (Ygritte) has been seen filming in Iceland. Since Styr will likely interact with Ygritte at some point, if Mark Gatiss is not in Iceland we can essentially rule him out as Styr.

  47. Joshua Taylor
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Was Ciaran that bad as Rayder? I don’t think he was at all. He just never had many scenes. That’s more of a writer’s flub than Hinds himself.He could surprise us with some great work in season 4.

  48. Michel
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I never undertood, most of the critics about Mance’s Ciaran is because Ciaran Hinds doesn’t look like Mance or because of his acting? Because I have just watched Season 1 of Rome and I loved him, I don’t see nothing wrong with his acting, but I have to admit he is not like how I pictured Mance (certainly not)

  49. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,
    Michel,
    I admit that my judgement could change with season 4 and that it could have been caused by D&D’s writing. However, based on his season 3 scenes he didn’t look like Mance and did not convey any of Mance’s charm and charisma. The wonderful thing about Mance in the books is that he has a mix of charm, charisma and intensity, and he can change between them really quickly. TV Mance only had the intensity, so either Ciaran or D&D don’t understand the character at all and think he is just a gritty intense militaristic leader.

  50. ATG
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown: Arent all the Iceland shoots in the summer this time? So Iceland doesnt equal the wall in S4. All Wall and beyond should be Ireland shoots. If he is in Ireland that might still be a possibility.

    Hmm, I guess that does make sense. Though didnt he only shoot there for a couple of days, Mark Gatiss I mean? It seems to me like a short amount of shooting time for a role such as Styr. Still at least it isnt completely off the table if Jon’ story is indeed shot in N. Ireland.

  51. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Yara, except for the name change, is fine to me. Most fan art of hers I see is totally ridiculous, with either bikini armor, tight leather pants and/or huge cleavage. Just google it. She was never described as a gorgeous pirate queen.

    I never saw her as extraordinarily beautiful either. I’m really not sure why so many do. Maybe because she has a few sexual partners?

  52. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    I can’t imagine Gatiss being Styr because he said he had already filmed his role, and he was only in Belfast for a few days. Styr will presumably be involved in the Battle , which will take a long time to shoot, and several other scenes, and I think his shooting schedule will be a lot longer overall than a few days.
    I would rule Gatiss out altogether as a possibility for Styr and any other role that requires more than a couple scenes in Season 4, and filming anywhere other than Belfast.

  53. Scales On Blackfish
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Since Gatiss filmed just for a few days in Belfast, there’s a good chance he had only interior scenes in the studio. To me, that points to Bloodraven. I’d expect Coldhands and Damphair to have exterior scenes to film. And Coldhands would film in the winter in Iceland…

  54. Michel
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Who filmed in Belfast? Stannis crew?

  55. ATG
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Since Gatiss probably isnt playing Styr, I can see him as either Damphair or Paxter Redwyne(and I really hope they include him at some point in the TV series).

  56. Chickenduck
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor:
    Was Ciaran that bad as Rayder? I don’t think he was at all. He just never had many scenes. That’s more of a writer’s flub than Hinds himself.He could surprise us with some great work in season 4.

    I really like Hinds as Rayder. He’s not how I pictured him, but he’s got a massive screen presence and is a believable leader of the Wildlings. And to be honest, I haven’t found him all that different from in the books, except that he hasn’t sung yet.

    Really, the problem is he hasn’t had enough to do so far. It’s hard to judge him after only a few scenes… I think we have to wait until he’s visited the wedding at Winterfell etc before we can really tell if the casting works.

    Also saying “D&D don’t understand the character” is not really the point – they might intentionally be doing something different with him.

  57. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: I really like Hinds as Rayder.He’s not how I pictured him, but he’s got a massive screen presence and is a believable leader of the Wildlings.And to be honest, I haven’t found him all that different from in the books, except that he hasn’t sung yet.

    Really, the problem is he hasn’t had enough to do so far.It’s hard to judge him after only a few scenes…I think we have to wait until he’s visited the wedding at Winterfell etc before we can really tell if the casting works.

    Also saying “D&D don’t understand the character” is not really the point – they might intentionally be doing something different with him.

    Really? Huh. That’s actually why I don’t like him. I think he lacks presence and just feels like an old man to me. Feels weak and not believable as a leader. I sometimes suspect that people who feel he embodies Mance have that perception influenced by his previous roles (I have seen none of them). Maybe I’m ageist and I don’t know it, but he just seems…meh. I don’t believe for a second that he has the charisma or the presence to unite the wildlings.

  58. Jordan
    Posted July 29, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I’m not the biggest fan of Hinds’ Mance either (nor the show’s Tormund, at least until the end of the season).

    However, Roose Bolton sets a good precedent. In the second season, he was very stoic, not to mention basically a “spearcarrier”, and I worried about the show losing one of his best characteristics- his sadistic sense of humor.

    But then of course, in the third season (finally outside of Robb’s control), it comes out in full force.

    I think something similar might be at play with the show’s Mance- he puts on a hard edge because he has to with his job, but I can see him in private moments revealing a more humorous, gentle side (IIRC, he was shown crocheting, when Jon met him in his tent, so all’s not lost).

  59. Lex
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    He played a fantastic Julius Caesar… so yeah, he can definitely do the whole charismatic leader thing. Go watch Rome, then come back and we’ll have a discussion about his abilities.

    IMO, it’s just yet another case of the writers not giving enough time to Jon’s storyline north of the Wall (which caused Jon, Qhorin, and Mance’s portrayals to suffer on screen).

    I think Season 4 is kind of their last chance to fix the whole Jon situation (I’d hoped they would fix it in Season 3, which was an improvement, but it wasn’t enough). If not next year, then I’ll say they bungled Jon’s story in the show.

  60. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    I’m not talking about his abilities in general, I don’t care about his abilities in other works. That’s what I’m saying is the problem. I think that some people know him from other roles and are projecting those performances onto how they perceive him in Game of Thrones. His other work is irrelevant when appraising his role in GoT, and so far in GoT I don’t believe him as Mance.

  61. Rhys
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    I think Mark Gatiss will be Axell Florent.

  62. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    He is not at all how I pictured Mace Tyrell. Not at all.

    I think he captures one aspect of Mace (his oaf factor) and ignores most everything else frankly. That said, I have liked his work and Mace is not a very major role or a role I ever really cared about if I’m honest. I guess I like the actor, but on first glance…. not the casting choice.

    Wait and see, but I trust D&D/ Nina Gold that Aston-Griffiths will make the perfect bumbling fool if they are going that route.

  63. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    For me personally the bigger problem with Mance of the TV series is that he has not gotten enough face time or backstory. The character on the series has been written in a more 2-dimensional way sadly.

    He is one of the secondary roles that has suffered greatly due to the extreme streamlining in the adaptation. They only have time to show one aspect that is needed to advance the story. No nuance or levels of complexity.

    I’m hopeful that seeing into the Wildling camp in Season 4 might provide a more 3-D look at Mance. If they cast Val or Dalla (or Valla) it might warm up and flesh out the character a little bit.

  64. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:13 am | Permalink

    The only photos or work I’ve seen where he seemed Mace-like was from ‘Gangs Of New York’. With the right make up and costumes I’m sure he’ll do fine. He can certainly act.

  65. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:28 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere: Really? Huh. That’s actually why I don’t like him. I think he lacks presence and just feels like an old man to me. Feels weak and not believable as a leader. I sometimes suspect that people who feel he embodies Mance have that perception influenced by his previous roles (I have seen none of them). Maybe I’m ageist and I don’t know it, but he just seems…meh. I don’t believe for a second that he has the charisma or the presence to unite the wildlings.

    Well, for what it’s worth, I’ve seen him in only one other role (as Firmin in Phantom of the Opera) in which he was absolutely nothing like Mance.

    So I’m not projecting any Caesar-love as some others might be :)

    The main criticism I’ve seen is that he isn’t “bardic” enough, which I don’t think is a problem as I know he definitely CAN sing and presumably will later… in fact his singing voice seemed surprisingly young to me in PotO – you expect a rich deep baritone and instead get much more classical tenor tone. I guess maybe the scriptwriting should have included him singing earlier on.

    At the end of the day, it’s always a question of taste. We all fancast it differently in our heads, we all want different things from the characters… So none of us are going to agree 100% with anyone.

  66. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Jordan:
    Chickenduck,

    I’m not the biggest fan of Hinds’ Mance either (nor the show’s Tormund, at least until the end of the season).

    However, Roose Bolton sets a good precedent.In the second season, he was very stoic, not to mention basically a “spearcarrier”, and I worried about the show losing one of his best characteristics- his sadistic sense of humor.

    But then of course, in the third season (finally outside of Robb’s control), it comes out in full force.

    I think something similar might be at play with the show’s Mance- he puts on a hard edge because he has to with his job, but I can see him in private moments revealing a more humorous, gentle side (IIRC, he was shown crocheting, when Jon met him in his tent, so all’s not lost).

    Yep, I would agree that the writing hasn’t really been kind to Mance or Tormund so far, partly because it hasn’t given them time (or they haven’t been able to give them time) to develop them onscreen. But like Roose, they might yet develop.

    The one really big dud was Qhorin, whose storyline I’d rate as the most disappointing thing of the series. There just wasn’t enough built up about the character without seeing them more… and whilst you’ve got to streamline things, the storyline just wasn’t explained clearly enough.

    Oh… and I’m not all that excited but Kit Harrinton’s acting, but… he’s not awful, just nothing special :)

  67. Roger König
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:44 am | Permalink

    He got an amazing first name! :)

  68. Song of Ice & Scotch
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    A fan on Tumblr who lives in Iceland got her copy of AFfC signed by Aiden Gillen & Sophie Turner, who are currently filming scenes at þingvellir. Littlefinger & Sansa filming scenes in the outdoors… in the summertime? What gives? Are they filming travel scenes?

  69. Ashley
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    So if Gatiss is playing damphair does that mean victarion is cut,I hope not. Also do you think they’ll cast Randall Tarly at some point?They’ve mentioned him enough to make me think so.

  70. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:22 am | Permalink

    Song of Ice & Scotch,

    Yep, basically.

    Last week we had the Iceland post that had a picture of what appear to be Arryn bannermen being filmed. So it fits that Gillen and Turner are there filming. Maisie Williams, Rory McCann, and Gwen Christie have also been spotted there. So we should get some travel scenes from them as well.

    From the interviews with Chris Newman he confirmed Iceland will be used for shooting various Westeros locations. A way to introduce fresh geography not available in Ireland.

  71. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:29 am | Permalink

    Ashley,
    Why would Gatiss playing Aeron mean Victarion is cut? Also, just for the record, I do not believe Gatiss is playing Aeron, my vote is for the High Sparrow in a cameo when he passes Brienne on her journey.

    As for Randyll, although it is possible for him to be introduced this season it all depends on how far Brienne’s story progresses this season. I personally don’t think we will see him until season 5.

  72. Red Empress
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:30 am | Permalink

    Good actor!
    So very happy about this years casting decisions so far.

  73. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I may be wrong, but I think Gattis had completed filming before Iceland had started. Was Gwen Christie filming in Belfast before she went out to Iceland? I don’t recall reading anything about that, but this year’s news has been a bit slow so it could have been unreported or I could have missed it of course. However, if Iceland is her first film location Gattis could not have been there to meet up with Brienne.

    FYI I think he would be a very fun High Septon so I’m not arguing against that idea at all!

  74. Eleanor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:47 am | Permalink

    He looks PERFECT!!!

  75. René
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:50 am | Permalink

    Doesn’t he is/looks too old to be queen of Thorns son?
    Also: Jack Wouterse as Lord Manderly please!

  76. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    René,

    He’s 56 and Dianna Rigg is 75. He just looks more like 65 in many of the pictures I’ve seen.

  77. Caelra
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    Rhys,

    I think so too! He can definitely be Axell Florent!

  78. zambi76
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:10 am | Permalink

    He’s 56 and Dianna Rigg is 75. He just looks more like 65 in many of the pictures I’ve seen.

    Um yeah, 56 would be perfect (Mace is 46 in the books but looks ten years older according to Cersei) but in all the recent pictures I have seen of Roger he looks more like 70 to me. Or I’m just surrounded by amazing looking seniors.

  79. The Lightning Lord
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:47 am | Permalink

    Omar Brown,

    If you notice, there’s bit of a resemblance between Ashton-Griffiths and Dormer. Perhaps not Loras, but even with Olenna I see a distinct similarity.

  80. The Lightning Lord
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:48 am | Permalink

    zambi76,

    Ever heard of makeup? As an actor myself I could tell you how easy it is for an actor to look either below or above his age range. Perhaps Varys can tell you…

  81. zambi76
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Ever heard of makeup? As an actor myself I could tell you how easy it is for an actor to look either below or above his age range. Perhaps Varys can tell you…

    Sure. We’ll see what they do with that on the show. I think a beard alone would already help a great deal to get him more in line with my picture of Mace.

  82. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    really like this casting, not familiar with his work but from what he’s done its obvious he’s a verycapable actor, and he’s pretty close to how i imagined mace tyrell

  83. loco73
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    Welcome to the cast Mr. Griffiths! All the best for the season to come! I hope you don’t take serious any of the “expert” opinions and criticisms oferred by some posters here! Actually you should put them out of your mind alltogether since they smell more like farts instead of anykind of feedback or insightful commentary…

  84. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    Kit Harington recently said in an interview with Entertainment Weekly it was I think that he won’t necessarily have more scenes next season than he usually does, because the cast is too big. But he did sound excited about filming season 4, as he always does. At least he seems to be more mature and realistic about his limited story time than some of the fans. Admittedly I was a little sad to hear this, because a lot of us have high hopes for his story line. A lot of people also seem to think that S4 will determine the successful adaptation of Jon’s storyline as a whole and somehow “prove” Kit’s acting capability (come on, he’s already been proving himself since season one, people :)). He’s simply not the Jon you imagined in your minds. Accept it. But I’ve realized that certain story lines are favoured in the tv show depending on what the show writers find will work best on screen (I know their choices aren’t perfect). This is why Tormund and Mance’s character development was toned down and Margery and Theon’s expanded, for instance.
    Maybe Jon’s arc will pick up during the latter
    half of season four again.

  85. Owen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:06 am | Permalink

    My first thought when I saw his picture: http://img.tinychan.org/img/1311817829667254.jpg

  86. The Lightning Lord
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:24 am | Permalink

    zambi76,

    He has that serious man look about him that made him perfect for Hitchcock, but still rather oafish as well. I was amazed to see what they did to Julian Glover, so Ashton-Griffiths shouldn’t be a stretch. Mark Gatiss had too much of a “steely-eyed” presence about him to be cast as Mance, even though everyone was saying he would be Mance — it’ll be interesting to see who he’ll be cast as this time. Randyll Tarly, or Aeron Greyjoy?

  87. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:32 am | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe:
    he’s already been proving himself since season one, people :)). He’s simply not the Jon you imagined in your minds. Accept it.

    Actually, in looks and setting he more or less IS the Jon I had in my mind. His work in Season 1 was pretty good, but I just haven’t been all that thrilled by his acting since then! Again, this is a question of taste.

    I reckon he’s had plenty of screen time, and some of the others in his storyline (thinking Sam, Ygritte, the Old Bear and Orell) kicked plenty of goals this season.

  88. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Owen,

    :)

  89. Nick Larter
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:52 am | Permalink

    Gatiss

    he’s on the record as finishing all his filming which was all in Belfast and the one clue he gave alluded to hair.

    Based on these two points, it’s assumed he was part of the Dragonstone folk, whom we know were filming early in Belfast and, taking into account how a joker like Gatiss might play with the ‘hair’ clue, people have seen an allusion to Patchface, who is bald

    This works for me.

  90. Carne
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    Not at all how I imagined Mace, but I’ll wait and see.

  91. mags giantsbabe
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck

    I kind of agree with you there. When I saw Jon’s first meeting with Mance, I thought, he could have been better. But later when I read non-reader perceptions of the scene, people seemed to be impressed with Jon’s reasons to Mance as to why he “left” the NW, because it gave them insight into Jon’s perceptions on Craster and the moral ambivalence on the NW’s stance on the baby killing, whereas readers just take Jon’s lines for granted, because “we already know this”, and then see his lines as flat. Someone recently mentioned in a n earlier thread that Nicolaj and Peter get recognition more easily because their characters are more verbal ( and get more and interesting lines), whereas Jon is more stoic and thus makes Kit’s acting come accross as flat and uninteresting. Also I think the mistake the writers make is to simply use Jon as a character to give moral perceptions on situations, instead of developing his character more fully.

  92. Ser Lemon Cakes
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Roger is a great actor who pops up in everything-usually with bumbling yet superior aplomb, perfect casting I think and I cans see the resemblance around the nose with Natalie and Diana I agree.

    Still excited to find out who Gatiss is playing but still think High Septon or less likely, Kindly man are the most likely. He is brilliant at coiled malice.

  93. outdoorcats
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Time for everyone to lay their bets on the table. I say Mark Gatiss is playing Merrett Frey.

  94. Bill
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    Mark Gatiss will play one of the Greyjoy uncles, my guess is Euron.

    Also, Sean Pertwee will play Randyll Tarly… i hope.

  95. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:13 am | Permalink

    Yes, still think Gatiss will play a Greyjoy. Would explain the need for secrecy surrounding who he is playing.

  96. dragonreborn
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I think Hinds is a bit too cool. I imagined Mance as a more energetic person. A touch mad or at least weird, not this too grim old man.

  97. A wildling Bastard
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I’m with you on this .. it makes sense since he’s already done shooting his scenes in belfast.

  98. Arkash
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    My bet : Mark Gatiss will be the Damphair.

  99. Turncloak
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:46 am | Permalink

    Hinds was a great choice for Nance. The only problem is the writing for him. They took away his bard introduction and also took away that scene where he explains that he was in Winterfell when the king came to visit. In season 4 he will have a brilliant scene when he tries to convince Jon Snow to open the gates to the Wildlings of face the wrath of the “horn if winter”

  100. Bolton5
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    What about Gatiss as Howland Reed?

    Think about it, it’s possible that GRRM is planning to release WoW before the start of season 4, and when Howlie finally appears it will problably be a lot of recapturing involved. Therefore it is only natural that he will appear earlier on the show than in the books (like the new-and-improved Theon).

    Plus, Howlie very well might be the Mycroft of Westeros.

    Sure, Gatiss is a bit too tall, otherwise he fits the part.

  101. Courtjezter
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Michel,

    If you look at Mark Gatiss twitter profile picture, you may be right.

  102. Rygar
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    I like this choice a lot. I recognize the face but can’t remember where I have seen him.

    They should bring back Conan Stevens.

  103. Domenico Barbato
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    Courtjezter:
    Michel,

    If you look at Mark Gatiss twitter profile picture, you may be right.

    To be fair, Gatiss’ twitter pic is probably related to “An Adventure in Space and Time”, a docudrama about Doctor Who that he wrote and in which David Bradley plays William Hartnell.

  104. Courtjezter
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Domenico Barbato,

    You are right it may be,

    I am hoping for Coldhands to be honest

  105. Carne
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    I think Mark Gattis is a Dragonstone character, seeing as that’s what they seemed to be filming during the first week (Carice Van Houten, Stephen Dillane and Liam Cunningham were all spotted in Belfast if I remember correctly).

  106. lol
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink

    Michel,

    That would explain why they’re being so cagy about who he’s playing.

  107. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    I agree, but I still have a hard time placing him in a Dragonstone role! XD
    Are you going to narrow down at all? :)

    Patchface is there (too cartoonish), as well as Axell Florent (too fat) and Alester Florent (too old), and a few random bannermen and Queen’s Men (too irrelevant).

    At the time last year I thought Shireen singing Patchface’s song was an homage to the character they cut. So I have doubts he would be cast at this point.

    Everyone else is so low-profile and hardly worth casting honestly. The one TV friendly role is Alester Florent who gets burned alive by Melisandre (that would be a good TV scene I think), but it seems like a very odd casting choice for a role that has a couple scenes (at most) and then dies! XD

  108. Dio Westeros
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:10 am | Permalink

    http://www.zapster.it/multimedia/3400/3332/big/Gemma_Jones—26.jpg
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/p480x480/1005454_449642611810208_213163461_n.jpg

    He isn’t exactly svelte… granted he isnt massive but they could probably make it work. It isn’t as bad as in Harry Potter where they took Slughorn (who was supposed to be massive a la Mace Tyrell/Wyman Manderly style) and cast Jim Broadbent who is definitely thin. Sometimes, on screen, certain physical characteristics come off as comical and too hard to believe so they deviate (aka Thappireth no more).

    billy-bumbler:
    Isn’t Mace supposed to be “Lord Too Fat To Sit in his Own Chair”?That’s by far his most defining characteristic in the books if I’m not mistaken. This guy looks way too skinny. Unless they’re planning to put him in a fat suit, which I somehow doubt.

  109. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    The discussion about Gatiss to me points most interestingly to the Damphair over everyone else. The Florents just aren’t all that interesting and can be easily cut. I think Patchface is gone, his song having already been given away, but then again I always found the fools a waste of time and utterly distracting, save Butterbumps, if only for Lady Olenna’s screaming at him.

    I imagine Ashton-Griffiths and Rigg have already been fully prepped for additional material with Olenna and Mace, I’d expect nothing beyond that of course.

    Just thinking, I’m guessing the producers will probably dump the Harys Swyft character entirely; Gyles Rosby may survive given his prominent coughing fits makes his character easy to recall, and the need for a Master of Coin.

    Swyft would be yet another “who is that guy again?” type situation for viewers. Which to me means they make Mace Tyrell the Hand shortly after the death of Tywin, and further underscore the way in which Cersei feels surrounded by foes (Mace, Randyll Tarly), or incompetents (Rosby, Mace, Pycelle), and leave her isolated with only Qyburn as a trusted advisor in Season 5. I don’t expect to see Aurane Waters and perhaps not even Taena or Orton Merryweather.

  110. boze
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    My guess is that Mark Gatiss will play the role of Cotter Pyke. Why?

    1. Potential scenes for Stannis before he arrives at Castleblack.
    2. They need some candidates for the election of the new LC to take place later.
    3. Showing Hardhome could make for an impressive scene in S5/S6.. they could use him as a PoV there.

  111. Dio Westeros
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:18 am | Permalink

    Bolton5:
    What about Gatiss as Howland Reed?

    Think about it, it’s possible that GRRM is planning to release WoW before the start of season 4, and when Howlie finally appears it will problably be a lot of recapturing involved. Therefore it is only natural that he will appear earlier on the show than in the books (like the new-and-improved Theon).

    Plus, Howlie very well might be the Mycroft of Westeros.

    Sure, Gatiss is a bit too tall, otherwise he fits the part.

    WoW before Season 4? That’d be nice but lol yeah never gonna happen. Minimum would be end of 2014.

  112. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    I really REALLY want to see Gatiss as Randyll Tarly.

  113. Eljuma
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    I noticed that immediately. There is something in his eyes+nose area that made me think “If Natalie was a fat man in his 50s she’d look like that”. His hair is also similar to S1 Loras (but not so much to the later one).

    BTW, fans imagined Asha as an impossibly hot supermodel because the books say that everyone in her crew wants to fuck her. But given that she is the only one woman they see in the ship for months and the crew is made of serial rapists, I’m sure they’d want to fuck her even if she was a shaved gorilla.

  114. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    boze,
    Although I think it is unlikely, I really like this suggestion.

  115. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    One only has to look at Diana Rigg 40 years ago to get that answer.

    This guy seems right for the role, but how old was his mother when she had him, 10?

  116. Boojam
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Nezzer: Their mother maybe? Or one of their grandparents? I know many good-looking people with ugly close relatives.

    Do you mean like Nastassja Kinski’s father?
    :)

  117. Ser Endrew Tarth
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    I agree that the writing for Mance is what made the character suffer. As pointed out above mentioning his visit to WF in the first conversation between him and Jon is a great way to bring him in the story. N2M I found jon’s reason for defecting in the book (“and did you see where they sat the bastard?”) more compelling… though I’ll admit the nod to Craster’s sacrifice and Mormont’s complicity resonated well.

    The other thing is they shouldn’t have changed Mance’s “How I got all the wildlings to follow me.” In the show he says he told them they are going to die if they don’t join, but in the book it’s stated that he had to defeat the leader of each tribe to make them join, sometime repeatedly as in the case of Tormund Giantsbane… That makes him way more badass. I wonder if unsullied think that old chubby guy can even fight? Also would’ve been some great tension if Mance asked how many NW were at the fist, and Jon lied, prompting Mance to grab him and force him to “tell it true”, also his “two hearts that beat as one, I’ll not seperate you” line was left out.

    My point is there is a lot of missed chances with the Mance character in the show that aren’t easily remedied. I don’t understand how they can write so well for characters that didn’t impress on the page elevating some performances, while dropping the ball on major players such as Mance. Oh well, here’s hoping for some great material so this Mace can impress me.

  118. Jacarb
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Oi. Guys. Gatiss was desperately trying to not violate his NDA in an interview and joked that the only thing he could say is that the role involved hair. He wasn’t being clever, he was being evasive. We just know that his character will have hair. If your initial reaction is that this provides no information, then Gatiss successfully did his job. It is not significant that his role is a “secret”. Roles that are announced have proven to be the exception. Roles that go unannounced have overwhelmingly been minor characters.

    He looks like a Frey and only had to film for a few days at the primary studio. Throwing a vote in for Merrett.

  119. Jacarb
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Oh, and rich guys have hot kids because they marry hot wives. This is the opposite of new.

  120. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    Maisie and a few others filmed in the Belfast in the early days as well, but there definitely were a lot of Dragonstone people filming, so that’s what I was leaning toward for Gatiss.

    Would be sort of amusing if it was just a cameo type role for the first episode and he’s Alester Florest getting burnt alive . Of course I’d love to see Patchface but it seems odd to bring him in now when last season would’ve been much better. Still better late than never. Of course he could be Axell Florent or something along those lines as well, in a small role.

  121. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Now that is Mace Tyrell. Excellent casting, once again.

  122. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:06 am | Permalink

    Mister Stoneheart:
    JP Dayne,

    One only has to look at Diana Rigg 40 years ago to get that answer.

    This guy seems right for the role, but how old was his mother when she had him, 10?

    19 if we are going by the actors’ real world ages.

  123. John W
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:07 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: Mance Rayder.

    Michel,
    He most likely won’t be the last one cast. I just meant that there were only four new characters confirmed to be in season 4; Mace, Oberyn, Ellaria and Styr, and that Styr is the only one of those four yet to be cast.

    John W,
    How does that make any sense? He doesn’t look like Doran, nor is there any reason to cast Doran until season 5.

    Since when what an actor looks like matter? Does Lena Headey look like Cersei? What was Salladhor Saan supposed to look like? That’s why there’s a hair and make up department.

    Also if there already filming scenes between Brienne and Podrick why wouldn’t they start filming some scenes with Martell? Those two didn’t meet till AFFC which would be roughly season 5.

  124. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    John W: Also if there already filming scenes between Brienne and Podrick why wouldn’t they start filming some scenes with Martell? Those two didn’t meet till AFFC which would be roughly season 5.

    They are (rightly) shifting a couple of things to deal with the fact that Season 5 is going to be loaded with material from 2 books. This is one thing that can move easily.

  125. GeekFurious
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    John W: Since when what an actor looks like matter? Does Lena Headey look like Cersei? What was Salladhor Saan supposed to look like? That’s why there’s a hair and make up department.

    Or an actor’s or character’s age? What show have people been watching for three seasons?

  126. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    John W,
    And you completely ignored my main reason for not liking Ciaran Hind’s Mance, that being him not conveying any of Mance’s charm or charisma.

    Yes, and they are also going to have Cersei’s imprisonment, Jon being killed and Quentyn unleashing the dragons upon Meereen in season 4 because they are advancing Brienne’s storyline.

  127. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Mark Gattiss would have been a better choice.

  128. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    So far there’s only been one great casting decision for season 4 and that was Indira Varma.

    Nina Gold’s losing her touch.

  129. Winter Is Coming
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    So far there’s only been one great casting decision for season 4 and that was Indira Varma.

    Nina Gold’s losing her touch.

    Hahaha! Knee jerk reaction much?

  130. Echoes in a well
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Hinds was a great choice for Nance. The only problem is the writing for him. They took away his bard introduction and also took away that scene where he explains that he was in Winterfell when the king came to visit. In season 4 he will have a brilliant scene when he tries to convince Jon Snow to open the gates to the Wildlings of face the wrath of the “horn if winter”

    This this this. I’m still a bit bitter about Mance’s scenes this past season as the introduction was the scene I was looking forward to the most for the season premiere (waiting between seasons is hard enough). Fine with skipping the bard aspect of his character (although it would have been nice to have him holding/strumming a lute as h/t to book readers) but really wanted the saw you when the king came to Winterfell to Jon giving his reasons for joining the wildings as the bastard that wasn’t allowed to join the welcoming feast. Boo ‘I want to fight for the side that fights for the living’. But I am definitely guilty of being to harsh on Hind’s Mance – mainly since I went into the season imagining a Dominic West Mance with perfect writing.
    Blergh. And I swear I don’t complain/ do usually defend everything else about the show.

    As for the people don’t think Gemma Whelan isn’t an attractive enough Asha/Yara, imagine that your an ironborn and she is the fiercest most badass powerful ironborn of all time (not to mention the last name) . Gemma might end up becoming the most desirable woman you’ve ever heard of.

    Wait, are we supposed to be talking about something else? Er, wooo Mace Tyrell!

  131. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink
  132. WinWolf
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    More greyjoys and Martells please

  133. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen: far there’s only been one great casting decision for season 4 and that was Indira Varma.

    Nina Gold’s losing her touch.

    You know that Nina Gold doesn’t actually make the final choices, right? That’s not her job.

  134. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Nina’s the casting director for the show, it’s her job to find actors for the roles. Yes the final decision doesn’t come down to her but she’s responsible for suggesting Richard and Pedro.

  135. GeekFurious
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    So far there’s only been one great casting decision for season 4 and that was Indira Varma.

    Nina Gold’s losing her touch.

    Hah! Hilarious. And way off.

  136. WompWomp
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    So far there’s only been one great casting decision for season 4 and that was Indira Varma.

    Nina Gold’s losing her touch.

    [blows dismissive raspberry]

    Let’s wait ’til we see them in motion. :)

  137. Macharius
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    chocolateislove,

    Considering the setting 19 is quite late to have her firstborn.

  138. Jordan
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Al Swearengen,

    We don’t really have enough castings for this season to make a determination either way (leaning toward she’s not losing her touch but admit to being a bit uncertain about Pascale).

    And I don’t see Gatiss as a better casting for Mace. Before this announcement, I definitely thought he could work well as Mace if so cast, but in light of the actual choice, I think Gatiss is rather too young for the role (one of many reasons why he’d also be ill cast as Doran), and doesn’t quite have the right personality for the part either.

    Incidentally, my mental casting for Mace is Hugh Bonneville (who granted, is actually not much older than Gatiss).

  139. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Hugh Bonneville is a great choice he’s much more like the Mace I pictured when reading the books.

  140. Rhys
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    I’m also disappointed with Nina Gold and Benioff and Weiss for not casting exactly who Al Swearengen pictured when reading the books. Disgraceful. They should have at least asked for Al Swearengen’s input regarding major casting selections.

  141. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Rhys,

    Exactly how dare they not consult me, my casting choices would be perfect!

    Charlize Theron = Penny
    Billy Connolly = Jon Connington
    Randyll Tarly = David Letterman
    Victarion Greyjoy = Idris Elba
    Doran Martell = Helen Mirren

  142. Cary Storm
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    I think Nina’s done an excellent job this season.

  143. zambi76
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Considering the setting 19 is quite late to have her firstborn.

    I don’t think there is any confirmation for this in the books but I always had the impression that Mace was actually Olenna’s last born child and her two daughters are older than Mace.

    In 300AL Olenna is 69 (GRRM said she isn’t 70 yet but older than Hoster Tully which pretty much only leaves that age) in the books and Mace is 44 not 46 like I thought first, so she was already ~25 when she had him.

  144. Josla
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Rhys:
    I’m also disappointed with Nina Gold and Benioff and Weiss for not casting exactly who Al Swearengen pictured when reading the books. Disgraceful. They should have at least asked for Al Swearengen’s input regarding major casting selections.

    Oh my gosh I thought I was the only one dissatisfied with that here. Also agree that Charlize Theron would be perfect as Penny the dwarf. Just to imagine her riding her pig fills my eyes with tree tears. If that were to happen I would definitely die happy.

    Please make it happen Nina…

  145. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    Who doesn’t want to see Charlize Theron joust on a pig?

  146. John W
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    John W,
    And you completely ignored my main reason for not liking Ciaran Hind’s Mance, that being him not conveying any of Mance’s charm or charisma.

    Yes, and they are also going to have Cersei’s imprisonment, Jon being killed and Quentyn unleashing the dragons upon Meereen in season 4 because they are advancing Brienne’s storyline.

    I ignored it because you didn’t mention it. Your complaint is that he doesn’t look like Martell, and my response is that it doesn’t matter. Both Salladhor Saan and Xaro Xhoan Daxos were cast with actors who did not “look” like them.

    As for the timeline haven’t they been moving things around in the timeline or are we watching two different shows? Didn’t Jaime arrive at King’s Landing after Joffrey’s wedding? And yet last season he’s already in King’s Landing before his wedding.

  147. Josla
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Josla,

    Who doesn’t want to see Charlize Theron joust on a pig?

    I know! That’d be a dream role for any actor. Geez!! It’d be the breakground role of her career! I’m so excited to see this already…

  148. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Josla,

    Charlize and Peter would make a great couple.

  149. Edward
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Not sure about this one to be honest

  150. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Echoes in a well: But I am definitely guilty of being to harsh on Hind’s Mance – mainly since I went into the season imagining a Dominic West Mance with perfect writing.
    Blergh. And I swear I don’t complain/ do usually defend everything else about the show.

    I’m one of those who likes Hinds. First because he’s so imposing as an actor to begin with, and you’d think someone in this climate, to become King of the Wildlings, is going to have to be imposing in the first place. Second would be his bemused expression when Jon Snow is first speaking with him – he’s clearly getting a kick out of this young man trying to be so damned earnest. I love his smirk when he says “Nah…I think you wanna be a hero.” The bard stuff would have been nice, but there are a lot of “charming” people who were charming by force of will and not by being pleasant, and I’ve always seen Hinds that way. I think we’ll get more of that in coming years.

    Also, as I said a year+ ago, the only way I want Dominic West in this part (and I still think he was too young) was if we get Wendell Pierce as Tormund Giantsbane.

  151. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Jordan: Incidentally, my mental casting for Mace is Hugh Bonneville (who granted, is actually not much older than Gatiss).

    Probably because when you consider Downton Abbey, Lord Grantham pretty much is the Mace Tyrell of that show, as Maggie Smith is very much Olenna Tyrell.

  152. KG
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Taylor,

    I thought he was very bland and unbelievable. Perhaps the actor’s distaste for the style of show leaked through his performance.

  153. loco73
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    As a side note for all fellow Canucks…if you haven’t yet seen Season Two of “Game Of Thrones ” good news! If you haven’t got the Second Season on DVD, Blue-ray or digital download, and don’t fancy or can’t afford the HBOCanada subscription, Canadian specialty channel Showcase will Start airing Season Two on Friday, August 30, 2013 at 10pm. Below is the link to the channel’s website and GoT page.

    http://www.showcase.ca/gameofthrones

    Showcase is not a pay tv channel like HBO /HBOCANADA, and is available on most regular cable packages. They currently hold the HBOCanada show licences for broadcasting on regular cable. They just finished airing the first season of “Boardwalk Empire “. The episodes are uncut and not censored, but there are regular commercial break, so whereas the average length of tha episode on HBO might be 50 minutes, here it will be more like 1hr 15min. The episodes are also available online viewing on the channel’s website for a limited time.

    Hope this rambling helps…enjoy the battle of Blackwater anew!

  154. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    You’re missing…

    Moqorro – Dakota Fanning
    Young Griff – The Rock
    Hizdhar — Also the Rock
    Taena Merryweather – Sarah Silverman

  155. Josh Parker
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Here’s another choice that doesn’t match my image of Mace at all, but I still think could work. I always pictured Mace as a Stephen Fry type, but I knew they wouldn’t get Fry himself, somehow.

    This will work, though. And to those who think he’s too old, there’s plenty of years between him and Diana Rigg, well enough that they could conceivably be mother and son.

  156. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Josla,

    I’m still hoping for Meredith Eaton, if Penny is ever cast (a man can dream), but I have to admit Charlize Theron on a pig would be pretty damn hillarious.

  157. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    LMAO Dakota Fanning as Moqorro…….touche sir touche.

  158. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    YezzanZoQaggaz,

    Good choice. For Penny I’ve always felt they’d cast Kiruna Stamell, I was impressed with her work in Life’s Too Short.

  159. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink
  160. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    I noticed her as a possibility as well (after all, there aren’t that many actresses of the right stature and age), in fact she would be my nr. 2 choice.

  161. Josla
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    Al Swearengen,

    You’re missing…

    Moqorro – Dakota Fanning
    Young Griff – The Rock
    Hizdhar — Also the Rock
    Taena Merryweather – Sarah Silverman

    Damn! What a good list of choice actors and actresses. We fans should be the ones to make the casting decisions. How much good the show would be if they’d let us…

  162. AdrianPietro
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Why not Mark Gatiss? Why?

  163. AA
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    I agree that most people are reading too much into Gatiss’s role. In that interview with him, he made it sound like he just happened to have some time between projects and could fit in a quick shoot. I think he must be a fan of the show and was happy to take whatever small role he could snag during a short break he had.

  164. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    John W,

    No, you’re missing the point. They have already cast Doran’s brother, and he looks nothing like Gattis. You honestly believe Gattis and Pascal can pass as brothers?

  165. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    Exactly. I think it is more of a small cameo role like Gary Lightbody had last year.

  166. Jordan
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I remember someone did try to argue that, but I don’t see it.

    More than that though, while Doran probably isn’t all that old (I’ve never calculated), he reads like a frail old man.

    He seems like a case where you’d want to cast an older actor (someone at least 10 years older than Gatiss) to give the idea of someone prematurely aged.

  167. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    There are a lot of female little person actresses in the UK beyond the one or two names that always get bandied about. Warwick Davis started an actor’s agency for little people specifically, and I was looking at their site the other day. The show will have plenty of people choose from when they get around to casting Penny even if they stayed with the UK for casting. I think any dwarf stunt double will do for the PW, since they wear helmets. They don’t have to have the actual actress cast yet.

    Merrett Frey (or some equivalent character) is another good suggestion for Gatiss. He did mention he’d auditioned for the role, whatever it is, so it’s not a special cameo that he was asked to do a la Lightbody.

  168. Eljuma
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Does Mark Gatiss look like a fat oaf to you?

  169. argilac's antler
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    So you’ve seen the casting auditions, I take it?

  170. Eljuma
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Euron Greyjoy – James Purefoy
    Victarion Greyjoy – James Purefoy
    Mance Rayder – James Purefoy
    Oberyn Martell – James Purefoy
    Doran Martell – James Purefoy
    Sansa Stark – James Purefoy

  171. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Ugh the weight can be set aside it’s the character traits that are more important. Gatiss could play an Oaf brilliantly and I could really see that Mace fathering Margaery. I mean do they honestly expect us to believe that Roger and Natalie are related???

    Weight shouldn’t be an issue unless it’s really important to the character like Sam and Manderly.

  172. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    argilac’s antler,

    Yes. Every audition tape is sent directly to my office in Deadwood.

  173. AA
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Who is this Richard you are talking about, are you talking about Roger?

  174. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    AA,

    LOL d’oh.

  175. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I’ve heard the “stunt first, actress later” theory before, and it’s one I agree with. If they decide to include jousting dwarves in the PW, it would be much easier to film with stunts.

    There are a lot of female little person actresses in the UK beyond the one or two names that always get bandied about.

    As for the final cast name, I would definitely be fine with some “small” name taking the part, assuming she looks the part and can pull it off, but “bigger” names are obviously always the ones mentioned first – the problem with less known actors/actresses is – well, they are less known. They could be perfectly capable of playing the part, they just aren’t the first ones that spring to fans’ minds when it comes to casting suggestions and casting wishlists.

    That said, I think you are right, it’s still quite a minor role, one that not many of the more famous little person actresses will find interesting, so eventually some less-known actress will be cast.

  176. Eljuma
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    But Mace has been *described* as a fat oaf in the show’s dialogue already. Seeing Gatiss coming in in Season 4 and saying that he was that guy who spent the whole of Robert’s Rebellion eating in his tent would be stupid.

  177. KG
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Now there’s a list I can get behind.

  178. zambi76
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    More than that though, while Doran probably isn’t all that old (I’ve never calculated), he reads like a frail old man.

    In 299AL Oberyn is 41 and 10 years younger than Doran who is 51.

    Why, yes, I’m somewhat obsessed with character ages and timelines in ASOIAF. I blame a mild form of authism. :o)

  179. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Euron Greyjoy – Samuel L. Jackson
    Victarion Greyjoy – Hugh Jackman
    Mance Rayder – Sean Connery
    Oberyn Martell – Dwayne Johnson
    Doran Martell – Karl Urban
    Sansa Stark – Ellen Page

    Game of Gun… I mean Thrones.

  180. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Like I said Mace’s weight really isn’t that important when it comes to the character.

  181. Pepi
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    I stopped doubting Nina Gold after the first season in which she proved me wrong on every front. I’m not sure about this guy, though. It’s gonna feel rather nostalgic to be proven wrong again after two years. :P

  182. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    lol touchy touchy.

    The hilarious thing is I am not even that bothered by this decision. Y’all need to relax.

  183. Jentario
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Jentario,

    lol touchy touchy.

    Sorry bro. I didn’t mean no harm!

  184. NewJeffCT
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    YezzanZoQaggaz:
    Eljuma,

    Euron Greyjoy – Samuel L. Jackson
    Victarion Greyjoy – Hugh Jackman
    Mance Rayder – Sean Connery
    Oberyn Martell – Dwayne Johnson
    Doran Martell – Karl Urban
    Sansa Stark – Ellen Page

    Game of Gun… I mean Thrones.

    “I’ve had it with these mother f$@%ing snakes on this mother f#@&ing boat”

  185. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Val = Sigourney Weaver
    Aeron Greyjoy = Al Pacino
    Arianne Martell = Alan Cummings
    Quentyn Martell = Mark Whalberg
    Hizdar Zo Loraq = Michael Dougles in his Liberace outfit

  186. Jentario
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    NewJeffCT: “I’ve had it with these mother f$@%ing snakes on this mother f#@&ing boat”

    Hmmm. He should be Doran Martell. Then it would all fit in the canon.

  187. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I’d still go with Euron Greyjoy. After all, isn’t he the Nick Fury of Westeros?

  188. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    I still think Nina Gold missed the boat by not casting Linda and Elio as Melisandre and Oberyn.

  189. Curt Shannon
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Yes, young Olenna was a CERTIFIED fox: http://frodisman.com/dianarigg.html

  190. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Please change your name to Con Stapleton.

  191. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Nope.

  192. Jentario
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    YezzanZoQaggaz:
    Jentario,

    I’d still go with Euron Greyjoy. After all, isn’t he the Nick Fury of Westeros?

    But… “I’ve had it with these mother f**king Sand Snakes on this mother f**king plane.” Also, nobody could say he’s not black enough.

  193. Atomix
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    “He was built like a beer keg and had a similar constitution”

  194. Arristan The Old
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    billy-bumbler, You’ve got Mace confused with Wendel Manderley. Mace is no athlete, but he’s not described as obese either.

    You’ve got Wendel confused with Wyman Manderly. Wendel is described as obese, but he can still sit a horse.

    Barely.

  195. matt v.
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    I have a feeling that Gatiss will play a character in the story of theon, ramsay and yara… I heard that the story isnt for Yara isnt exactly like in the books, so maybe he’ll play a whole new character…
    Btw: I didn’t read the books but i think Hinds played very well Mance…

  196. loco73
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Wow, people are still going on about this. Face it, the man was cast and is now part of the show! Please if you think you can do better than Nina Gold and Robert Sterne, go and get a job at HBO in the casting department and show them why casting Roger Ashton-Griffiths as Mace Tyrell was a miss…Every year I hear the same old same old, until actually the actors appear in their respective roles and all criticism dies down!

    I’m just happy we have a fourth season to look forward to! So lets give this man a chance and see what he will actually do with the role before we all crucify him for not fitting into some preconceived image or idea we might have had about the character!!!!

    I sincerely doubt that the importance of this series as well as the honour and priviledge to join such a stellar cast and crew is lost on any of the actors coming on-board. Lets welcome them to the GoT family and give them all the support and encouragement so that they might give us in return the talent and quality we’ve becomed acustomed to!

  197. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Euron Greyjoy – James Purefoy
    Victarion Greyjoy – James Purefoy
    Mance Rayder – James Purefoy
    Oberyn Martell – James Purefoy
    Doran Martell – James Purefoy
    Sansa Stark – James Purefoy

    NOT ENOUGH JAMES PUREFOY!

  198. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been reading WiC’s tweets and it looks like this guy was cast as Magnar Styr. This is his last tweet:

    “Wrapped here & flying home! 2 Eps shot (2 to go), 3 directors, 2 stunning locations, 1 wrap party, 1 AMAZING team, and 1 AWESOME show!”

    So he is filming in two different locations (probably different countries), appearing in four episodes, that are directed by three different directors. This cannot be any show other than GoT. In the website of his agency it says he is part of the GoT cast (no mention of which season). And from his looks, he fits the role of Magnar Styr like a glove.

  199. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    We’re just speculating as to who he might play, we have no idea what role he has, yet. Just to be clear. :)

  200. TonyGen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    I still wonder if Mark Gatiss could be Jon Connington. While it is arguably too early (though not by much), they will definitely want to establish that plotline at an earlier narrative point that the books did. i= It would explain the secrecy. Unlikely, but conceivable.

  201. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I know, I am also speculating, but I am almost sure he’ll be playing Styr 8)

  202. Al Swearengen
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    TonyGen,

    If Mark was playing him perhaps Varys hooks Tyrion up with Connington when he’s about to set sail for the narrow sea?

  203. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    He is an awesome and intimidating actor!
    I saw him in Banshee last year and he has been my pick for Archibald Yronwood since then. When I heard they were actually casting Styr he moved to the top of my list!

    He is naturally bald due to Alopecia, so no worries as to skull caps or stubble. I cannot see them taking his natural look and adding a beard or hair to it when he fits Styr so well as is.

  204. Easteros bunny
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Omg!!!!!!

    He is cast finally the most important character is cast!

    This will be the greatest moment in the history of film cinemas and pop culture!!

  205. Jentario
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer:
    Ours is the Fury,

    I know, I am also speculating, but I am almost sure he’ll be playing Styr 8)

    Yep. It really looks like it. Also, the Battle of Castle Black confirmed for episode 4.

  206. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    They shoot out of sequence. We have no idea whether the Battle at Castle Black will still actually happen.

  207. Nanuk
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Yep. It really looks like it. Also, the Battle of Castle Black confirmed for episode 4.

    So Ygritte and Tormund get reinforcements, some thenns maybe, leader played by Joseph Gatt, and attack castle black (south of the wall, Iceland footage, two chapters) and afterwards the survivors go back over the wall for the siege (two other chapters, footage from Belfast still to be done)..

    It could work, takes the show back into the book’s timeline with Ygritte dying on ep 4

  208. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    “[Styr] is a tall lean man with no ears. He is clean shaven, bald with a straight nose and grey eyes.”

    http://www.imdb.com/media/rm2479601920/nm1395532

    He fits the description very well. Just needs to lose the ears! Nice find guys.

    Jentario,

    But what if there’s an episode gap in the middle? That could make it episode 5.

  209. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Did’t Iceland wrap filming this weekend?

    A wrap party certainly makes sense…. as do his other tweets about locations 1) Iceland for outside the wall stuff 2) The Castle Black set in Belfast

  210. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Nanuk,

    I’ve seen speculation that Ygritte may live and take over the role of Val. While discussing the topic of them killing characters who are alive in the books, D&D mentioned that there is a character who is dead in the books that will live in the show, or something like that.

  211. Selmy
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    He sure looks like how I pictured Styr!

    The 20 bald extras are definitely Thenns.

  212. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Selmy,

    I wondered about that at the time, but do not recall anything about all of the Thenns being bald. Oh well, it certainly would make for a striking image on screen!

  213. Rygar
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Tim Curry for Doran

  214. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Here’s some of his acting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X13qiG7arc

    I remember him from that brief clip of Metal Gear Solid 4.

  215. Nanuk
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Nanuk,

    I’ve seen speculation that Ygritte may live and take over the role of Val.While discussing the topic of them killing characters who are alive in the books, D&D mentioned that there is a character who is dead in the books that will live in the show, or something like that.

    Yep. Ygritte taking over Val character makes sense, since it would add more drama to Jon’s decision later on, and some traditional non-resolved sexual tension between the characters, but then Ygritte’s death is a crucial part of Jon’s character building, so both roads are interesting to explore for the writers. Keeping her more traditional in TV shows, killing her more shocking and subtle for the storyline…

  216. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    HE was just scary on Banshee!
    I was sad when he was killed I was hoping the flashbacks with him would last longer.

  217. Nanuk
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Tim Curry for Doran

    A Sweet Transvestite from Transexual, Transylvania in Westeros.. It can only be a Dornishman!

  218. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Nanuk,

    Ha! XD

  219. Rygar
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Exactly

  220. Rygar
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    finally someone understands my mind

  221. outdoorcats
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Hmmm. I’m pretty sure, though, by process of elimination, that the actress who begged Martin not to kill her off (and he internally noted was already dead in the series) is Rose Leslie. Also, that change would result in D&D having to rewrite half of the material at the Wall from scratch, something they have never really done – so far, all of their changes seem to reroute back to the series in the end. Different journeys, same destination, appears to be their mentality when it comes to making changes. So, I think, either A) they will indeed cast a Val, either this season or the next, in re the belated intro of the Reeds and Tullys, or B) they will just cut Val because they know she doesn’t in fact have that important a role to play in the series (Martin is planning to kill her off at the beginning of TWoW, for example).

  222. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I don’t watch Banshee but having seen another clip of him I know exactly what you mean:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buuC2IHqgCk

    Would fit right into game of thrones!

  223. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    I always assumed it was Sibel Kikelli who begged Martin not to kill her character. Rose had already read all of the books and knew her character was dead.

  224. Nanuk
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    I don’t think it’s such a huge re-write.. just make Ygritte be Mance’s sister in law, build up her maternal instincts once her sister dies and take care of Mance’s child after the siege. That’s it.

    Val is described as a super-hot wildling with a tough edge, and Ygritte could easily take over that role.

  225. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Is this guy American? That would make 2 American actors cast for season 4.

  226. ser faps a lot
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    come on we NEED 12 episodes!!!! with all these bloody actors wanting air time they need more episodes for goodness sakes argggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

  227. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink
  228. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Is this guy American? That would make 2 American actors cast for season 4.

    Joseph Gatt? According to IMDB he’s from London. Certainly got a striking look to him (alopecia’ll do that to you)… An army of gaunt, bald Thenns could be scary to behold.

    Though surely you’d freeze without any hair beyond the wall!! I wonder if he’s going to walk around without headwear in the show?

  229. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Joseph Gatt?According to IMDB he’s from London.Certainly got a striking look to him (alopecia’ll do that to you)…An army of gaunt, bald Thenns could be scary to behold.

    Though surely you’d freeze without any hair beyond the wall!!I wonder if he’s going to walk around without headwear in the show?

    Well, he’s also bald in the books and wears no headwear. He just lost both his ears.

  230. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Hmm… is this better? XD

    http://oi40.tinypic.com/oub3hc.jpg

  231. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: Did’t Iceland wrap filming this weekend?

    A wrap party certainly makes sense…. as do his other tweets about locations 1) Iceland for outside the wall stuff 2) The Castle Black set in Belfast

    The Icelandic article had said filming would finish by August 1, so a wrap party and some actors headed home already would make sense. I know Aidan Gillen is already back in the UK/Ireland as well. Someone instagrammed a photo of him in an airport in the UK yesterday.
    This guy is definitely cast. It’s just a matter of who he is playing- is he Styr (admittedly he looks perfect, I just don’t want to assume he is the one) or is he a more minor role.

  232. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Well, he’s also bald in the books and wears no headwear. He just lost both his ears.

    Yeah, I know. Was mostly joking.

  233. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown:
    Awesome, Certainly the bumbling fool aspect got nailed here. But where did Loras and Margaery get their looks from?

    Ah Brandon Gleason It was not meant to be, now…

    WHUR IS MAH VICTARION? Maybe I will discuss this with my peeps at wicgeeks.com

    Brendan Gleeson would be much perfect for ser Randyll Tarly.
    Actor Ashton Griffiths is fixated in my memory as rather buffoonish*, but I’m sure
    he’ll fit the bill just fine.

    * actually, that a poor choice of a word…… I meant I never take him seriously.
    Then again, I felt that way about Mace Tyrell’s character. Blustering guy.

  234. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Yeah, but I don’t think they will cut off his ears. Even so, I bet he’ll be pretty scary. I hope he doesn’t die and replaces his son Sigorn as Alys Karstark’s husband. I’d love to see him fighting alongside Stannis in the battle of Winterfell.

  235. Eljuma
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Hmmm. I’m pretty sure, though, by process of elimination, that the actress who begged Martin not to kill her off (and he internally noted was already dead in the series) is Rose Leslie. Also, that change would result in D&D having to rewrite half of the material at the Wall from scratch, something they have never really done – so far, all of their changes seem to reroute back to the series in the end. Different journeys, same destination, appears to be their mentality when it comes to making changes. So, I think, either A) they will indeed cast a Val, either this season or the next, in re the belated intro of the Reeds and Tullys, or B) they will just cut Val because they know she doesn’t in fact have that important a role to play in the series (Martin is planning to kill her off at the beginning of TWoW, for example).

    outdoorcats,

    It’s someone who has not died in the books yet.

    Natalie Dormer said it was her who asked that, in an interview.

    Also, GRRM’s answer wasn’t exactly “you are screwed dear” but something between “I can’t promise you anything” and “you know what kind of series this is”.

  236. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    They may not frostbite his ears away, agreed.
    I just ‘shopped the photo to make him look more like the book role.

    Too true!
    Assuming he is Styr, and he nails the role…. I would love that too.

    I’m not sure we would need the death and heir. Gatt is young enough to probably fall in between the book-Styr and book-Sigorn age range. Plus, with so little time to introduce new characters and back story each season on some level it makes sense to keep Styr around to streamline things. Also, his death is kinda lame in the books. Falling from the Wall. Pffft!

  237. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    No, it’s Jarl who dies in the fall. Styr dies in the attack on Castle Black with Ygritte. And I think you should tag as a spoiler that bit where you talked about his death and heir.

  238. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Their mother maybe? Or one of their grandparents? I know many good-looking people with ugly close relatives.

    It’s all about the Genealogy folks……..

  239. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    John W,
    You obviously didn’t see what I said 5 posts below that one. In fact, in the post you replied to all I said on the topic was “Mance Rayder” without even giving a reason why I disliked the casting.

    And yes, they have shuffled some things around, but they are not going to introduce a new family and location one season early, using up their precious budget paying the new actors, just to have them say goodbye to Oberyn.

    Jentario,
    Wait, how is that confirmed? We know that he is in four episodes, but you are assuming that they are four consecutive episodes starting from episode 1. It would make much more sense for them to be 4 consecutive episodes starting from episode 2.
    episode 1 – Tormund sends some men back North to ask for reinforcements
    episode 2 – Mance sends Styr with reinforcements
    episode 3 – Styr reinforces Tormund
    episode 4 – a short scene with them travelling, we get some more character interactions. (I suspect this episode will be dominated by the royal wedding)
    episode 5 – the Battle at Castle Black, Styr is killed.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    I despise that theory beyond belief. For me Ygritte’s death marks a major turning point in Jon’s character, and is one of the most important character developing moments for him. In the first few books I didn’t really care for Jon, but from that moment onwards he really started to come into his own and by the end of ADwD was my favourite character. If they keep Ygritte alive then they will truly have screwed over his storyline.

    ser faps a lot,
    Not going to happen. D&D have said repeatedly that there isn’t enough time in a year for them to make 12 episodes. Personally I like it at 10 as I think it works well for the pacing of the series (although it will be interesting to see what they do with time allocation for season 5, and to a lesser extent season 6, with Dorne added and the Iron Islands expanded).

  240. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Damn.
    Missed the edit window. I thought I had tagged that as well as the later spoiler. Maybe Ours or Winter will tag it?

    Wasn’t Styr the victim of one of The Wall’s defenses? Something like a trap door that collapsed part of the wall? I thought the last we saw him alive he was falling from the Wall as it collapsed. I could be wrong. I know we get the official news of his death in AFFC.

  241. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    So true, however season 3 limited his appearance or interaction. I wasn’t
    impressed though. Season 4 will likely offer us more, with a revised plot
    from what we’re used to reading. By this time, book Mance had already
    impressed Jon as much as Tormund. I suppose it’s big reveal int the next
    season or two. Just think, we got more game of love scenes from ice baths
    and frozen peaks. More war, less love *>*

  242. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Joshua Taylor,
    Michel,
    I admit that my judgement could change with season 4 and that it could have been caused by D&D’s writing. However, based on his season 3 scenes he didn’t look like Mance and did not convey any of Mance’s charm and charisma. The wonderful thing about Mance in the books is that he has a mix of charm, charisma and intensity, and he can change between them really quickly. TV Mance only had the intensity, so either Ciaran or D&D don’t understand the character at all and think he is just a gritty intense militaristic leader.

    All true, sigh *>*

  243. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    finally someone understands my mind

    I doubt that *>*

  244. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Joins in the chant…

    MORE WAR! LESS LOVE!”

  245. A wildling Bastard
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    Lads!! i don’t know if you heard about this .. but Actor Joseph Mawle (who played Benjen Stark) was spotted in Reykjavik. .. so Brace yourselves .. Benjen stark is in season 4!! ..

  246. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,

    Source?

    I thought he was in England shooting Season 2 of Ripper Street..
    http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2013/07/30/bbc-americas-ripper-street-adds-to-the-cast-for-its-second-season-premiering-december-1-1000pm-et-pt-378115/20130730bbca03/

    I guess he could be done in Iceland and move onto RIpper Street…..

    I’m skeptical of this rumor without some photos or source info I guess…

    Interesting if true.
    I am one of those that did not think Coldhands was Benjen since Coldhands has been dead a long time, but I can see the TV series using Benjen to heighten the drama.

  247. Ashley
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    So where is the interview where natalie said she asked GRRM

  248. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,
    :D. I always very much liked the idea that Coldhands was the reanimated corpse of Benjen, but can you provide a source?

  249. Nezzer
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,

    I heard that rumor on Reddit, but I still haven’t seen the source.

  250. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,

    Source needed!

    After ADWD revealed that he had been dead a long time, I stopped considering that Coldhands could be Benjen. But this would be big news if it were true.

  251. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    There is no reliable source whatsoever for the Joseph Mawle rumor. Someone on Facebook is making the claim but they won’t cite a source. They claimed not long ago that Conan Stevens was being asked back this season, so I think this facebook page is not a trustworthy source.

  252. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    ^Thanks. Yeah, Conan’s definitely not back either. :(

  253. Darquemode
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Oh it’s the same guy that said that Cosimo Fusco had been cast as the Red Viper 2 days before Pedro Pascal was cast D’oh!

    Yep. I’m not falling for this one without a legit source or photos.

  254. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Something else worth noting- I don’t believe that Joseph Mawle/Benjen would even BE in Iceland if Coldhands were appearing. We haven’t had any sightings of Isaac, Kristian Nairn, Thomas Brodie-Sangster or Ellie Kendrick in Iceland. As far as we can tell, they’re shooting in Belfast. They don’t need to be in Iceland. So if we see Coldhands, he’d likely shoot in the Belfast area. That’s my logic, anyway.

  255. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Oh, I see, thanks for the update.

  256. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Perhaps it will be revealed that Littlefinger has the (backup) ‘Key to the North’, Benjen Stark locked away in the Eyrie? Would bring some extra drama to Season 4 and explain his presence in Iceland.

    (I’m not being serious. That said, the Vale is unusually busy this season…)

  257. A wildling Bastard
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:13 pm | Permalink

    Apologies for not having a source for this Rumor (i merely wanted to give you a heads up).. still i have hope.. give it a day and see if it’s confirmed, if not .. i’ll give my body to Ramsay ..

  258. Ours is the Fury
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,

    No worries, it’s always fun to discuss a rumor. Just a good idea to consider the sources. :)

  259. WildSeed
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    Joins in the chant…

    MORE WAR! LESS LOVE!”

    I’ll be sure to submit a comment to Benioff & Weiss….. before they and the GOT
    writers appear on the Sundance Channel’s ” Writers Room “. The debut 1st
    episode was 29 July with the entire writers team from ” Breaking Bad “.
    Brian Cranston was an honorable guest. Very insightful. Game of Thrones
    is scheduled, but I could not locate a date., ” Parks & Rec ” is up next.

    **** Found it !! It’s scheduled for 26 August 2013 ! *>*

  260. Chickenduck
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Ours is the Fury,

    The Vale is unusually busy this season…

    They’ve already wrapped filming… So I’m guessing it was only a few scenes, probably end of season.

  261. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 30, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Nanuk,

    I’ve seen speculation that Ygritte may live and take over the role of Val.While discussing the topic of them killing characters who are alive in the books, D&D mentioned that there is a character who is dead in the books that will live in the show, or something like that.

    Yes. Speculation, which is to say, ‘People making suppositions on this board.’

    But the fact is, until now, no character of major importance that was killed by this point has been left alive by D&D. It requires such a major re-think that I think the chances of this, one way or another, is very slim.

    They’ve killed a few people who are alive by this point; they’ve killed a few people who in the books die shortly anyway (The Tickler, for instance).

  262. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Nezzer:
    I’ve been reading WiC’s tweets and it looks like this guy was cast as Magnar Styr. This is his last tweet:

    “Wrapped here & flying home! 2 Eps shot (2 to go), 3 directors, 2 stunning locations, 1 wrap party, 1 AMAZING team, and 1 AWESOME show!”

    So he is filming in two different locations (probably different countries), appearing in four episodes, that are directed by three different directors. This cannot be any show other than GoT. In the website of his agency it says he is part of the GoT cast (no mention of which season). And from his looks, he fits the role of Magnar Styr like a glove.

    Agreed to all this. I mean, look at this guy. Seriously. Big bald SOB. Just watched some clip from Banshee, and he’s frightening as all hell. He’s Styr for sure – and with luck he’s going to be one of those short-term roles like Dan Hildebrand, where you just don’t forget the actor because of the impression they make.

  263. Nezzer
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: Agreed to all this. I mean, look at this guy. Seriously. Big bald SOB. Just watched some clip from Banshee, and he’s frightening as all hell. He’s Styr for sure – and with luck he’s going to be one of those short-term roles like Dan Hildebrand, where you just don’t forget the actor because of the impression they make.

    Nah, I hope D&D keep him alive, replacing his son Sigorn and marrying Alys Karstark. I want to see that BAMF killing some Boltons right beside Stannis in the battle of Winterfell =D

  264. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    Nezzer: Nah, I hope D&D keep him alive, replacing his son Sigorn and marrying Alys Karstark. I want to see that BAMF killing some Boltons right beside Stannis in the battle of Winterfell =D

    After seeing a photo of the actor I wish I could agree, however he already confirmed that he is only filming 4 episodes. I just don’t see how he can survive past the battle at Castle Black and only be in four episodes.

  265. Chickenduck
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: After seeing a photo of the actor I wish I could agree, however he already confirmed that he is only filming 4 episodes. I just don’t see how he can survive past the battle at Castle Black and only be in four episodes.

    A few more thoughts:

    1. Maybe there won’t be a southern assault on Castle Black in the same way as the book. They might already call it off, and just skip straight to the siege. Ygritte could get killed then.
    2. If he IS Styr and the battle plays out the same, he could just get captured instead of killed, meaning that he could do the Sigorn stuff later. Which would be cool, because he looks badass and I’d love to see him in the show long-term (assuming his acting doesn’t suck).

    And another thought…

    3. If he was shooting in Iceland, might that mean he ISN’T Styr? What other Wall storyline characters have we seen up there? Maybe he’s someone from the Vale?

  266. Chickenduck
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    WildSeed
    **** Found it !!It’s scheduled for 26 August 2013 !*>*

    Hotttt. And Parks & Rec! Need to work out how to watch that over here…

  267. Darquemode
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Good point.
    Although not knowing which 4 episodes could maybe be misleading. If one of the scenes is in Episode 4×09 or 4×10 that could carry over to the following year. I’m not betting on that though. XD

    Chickenduck,

    Rose Leslie was spotted in Iceland if I recall. So I would assume they did film some sort of Wildling scenes there.

  268. Headless Ned
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 4:13 am | Permalink

    That offers nothing. Not sure why you even bothered posting

    Direhound:
    JP Dayne,

    They hired him solely for his opposing looks to his character. I don’t think he can act either. They wouldn’t hire am actor to play a character.

    Sorry but you haven’t seem him in anything and already criticizing. Such is the life of a fan critic.

  269. Carne
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 4:37 am | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    Haha, I sent an e-mail to his agent several months ago saying he would be perfect for Styr.

  270. Nick_Scryer
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    One thing I noticed, if Sophie and Aiden filmed some stuff in Iceland, does that mean they are keeping the stuff at the Fingers in?

    I thought for sure they’d just put all their scenes at the Eyrie but since Sophie is still red haired that means they either are putting in some Fingers stuff or Sansa will not dye her hair in the show.

  271. Lou Reed
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Joseph Gatt?According to IMDB he’s from London.Certainly got a striking look to him (alopecia’ll do that to you)…An army of gaunt, bald Thenns could be scary to behold.

    Joseph Gatt could be playing a Giant. Didnt the Giant we saw in S3 look a bit like him?

    On Facebook he claims to have shot two episodes in Iceland, and has to shoot two more episodes later on (not necessarily in Iceland).

  272. Ser Tahu
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,
    episode 2 – Mance’s tent set in NI
    episode 3 and 4 – The North in Iceland
    episode 5 – Castle Black set in NI

  273. Eljuma
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 7:15 am | Permalink

    Ashley:
    Eljuma,

    So where is the interview where natalie said she asked GRRM

    Funny how the brain works.

    I was certain I had read it in Natalie’s interview to Spanish diary El País when she attended a passing “The Rains of Castamere” in a film festival. However I tracked the interview here (in Spanish) and she actually doesn’t say that:

    http://cultura.elpais.com/cultura/2013/06/04/television/1370369932_865446.html

    I also checked this one made in the same festival by TV magazine Vertele. Here, she says that she has not read the books but has a vague idea of what’s to come (like in the former) and that she is “worried” about her survival. Still, no word of the conversation with Martin (Spanish also):

    http://www.vertele.com/video-articulo/natalie-dormer-lo-unico-que-me-preocupa-en-juego-de-tronos-es-%C2%A1sobrevivir/

    So, I have to ask for forgiveness. I can’t believe this happened. I was sure I read that!

  274. Jentario
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    John W,
    You obviously didn’t see what I said 5 posts below that one. In fact, in the post you replied to all I said on the topic was “Mance Rayder” without even giving a reason why I disliked the casting.

    And yes, they have shuffled some things around, but they are not going to introduce a new family and location one season early, using up their precious budget paying the new actors, just to have them say goodbye to Oberyn.

    Jentario,
    Wait, how is that confirmed? We know that he is in four episodes, but you are assuming that they are four consecutive episodes starting from episode 1. It would make much more sense for them to be 4 consecutive episodes starting from episode 2.
    episode 1 – Tormund sends some men back North to ask for reinforcements
    episode 2 – Mance sends Styr with reinforcements
    episode 3 – Styr reinforces Tormund
    episode 4 – a short scene with them travelling, we get some more character interactions. (I suspect this episode will be dominated by the royal wedding)
    episode 5 – the Battle at Castle Black, Styr is killed.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    I despise that theory beyond belief. For me Ygritte’s death marks a major turning point in Jon’s character, and is one of the most important character developing moments for him. In the first few books I didn’t really care for Jon, but from that moment onwards he really started to come into his own and by the end of ADwD was my favourite character. If they keep Ygritte alive then they will truly have screwed over his storyline.

    ser faps a lot,
    Not going to happen. D&D have said repeatedly that there isn’t enough time in a year for them to make 12 episodes. Personally I like it at 10 as I think it works well for the pacing of the series (although it will be interesting to see what they do with time allocation for season 5, and to a lesser extent season 6, with Dorne added and the Iron Islands expanded).

    Nope. He said he’ll have three different directors. You could argue that he will skip an episode, though. As in, he’ll appear in 1, 2, 4, 5. I am still keeping my bet, though. I don’t think Tormund will have the time to climb the Wall and get to Mance in one episode’s time. I don’t think we’ll see much of beyond the Wall this season either. So I assume Styr will just come beyond the Wall and tell Tormund Mance has called for him and that he’s taking over, and I think that will happen in episode 1. I think the whole Battle Behind the Wall story will act as an opening mini-arc for the season while preparations are made for the Royal Wedding and Sansa meets with Dontos. I always thought one of these will make it into episode 3 and the other to episode 4, and it seems I got it the other way around (I think). Having the PW in episode 5 will be a bit too late IMO, so unless it IS in episode 4 and the battle is in episode 5 as you suggest it can only be in episode 3. I assume we’ll see PW fallout in the same episode as the battle (though I originally hoped it would be the other way around).

    Back on track, I can’t believe they turned down Yorick van Wageningen (from the leaked audition) without offering him another role to audition for (maybe season 5). I could see him as a High Septon or a replacement for Bowen Marsh…

  275. Nanuk
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    A giant running around south of the wall? No
    way

  276. Darquemode
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Jentario,

    I can’t believe they turned down Yorick van Wageningen (from the leaked audition) without offering him another role to audition for (maybe season 5). I could see him as a High Septon or a replacement for Bowen Marsh…

    I agree.
    Maybe he can turn up somewhere, like you wrote, in the Night’s Watch. I can see him as Cotter Pyke easily enough. Maybe Randyll Tarly even.

    Yorick van Wageningen was one of my early picks for Mace Tyrell honestly.
    D&D went a different direction obviously! XD

  277. Selmy
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 8:16 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I NEED to watch this show. The Dean from Community interviewing people from Breaking Bad, Parks and Rec and GoT. Its like someone designed this show especially for me.

  278. SS420
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 8:19 am | Permalink

    Omar Brown,

    Mace was apparently quite good looking before he became plump and even after. Jorah Mormont’s wife Lynesse Hightower is Mace’ sister-in-law and she was very attractive, so it’s probably just a mix.

  279. Bolton5
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    A wildling Bastard,

    I like the idea of Benjen “Benifer” Stark appearing in season 4. However, I only believe that’s going to happen if GRRM is planning to release WoW before the start of season 4, which is an idea I like even more.

    Furthermore, as I suggested earlier, that could also mean that the secrecy of Gatiss’ part could mean that he is playing Howland Reed.

  280. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    I really hope that Ygritte does die like in the books, as it is important for Jon’s development, but if they do keep her alive I don’t think they’ll merge her storyline with Val’s like people have been suggesting. They’ll probably just cut Val and Dalla all together. I reckon it’s much more likely they would make Ygritte one of the wildling spearwives that head to Winterfell with Mance Rayder to rescue ‘Arya’.

  281. Rygar
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: I doubt that*>*

    Hope all is well with you and yours too.

  282. Oberyn Wan Kenobi
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Anyone see the tweet about Joseph Mawle (Benjen actor) returning for next season?

  283. Jake Umber
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi,

    WHAT? Please clarify..

  284. direhound
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi,

    rumor. not happening.

  285. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi,

    It came from an already proven false source.

  286. Oberyn Wan Kenobi
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    Man :(

  287. jentario
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi:
    Man :(

    Your name is perfect.

  288. René
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    After seeing all episodes of the the tudors recently I think Alan Van Sprang would be the ideal Euron Greyjoy since he played a hateable character with an eyepatch very convincingly.
    Also Styr already has been found: Yorick van Wageningen. Since he auditioned for the part they would be stupid not to take him, great actor.

  289. Lina
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Not how I imagined Mace Tyrell, but after three years I have nothing but the utmost faith in the casting for this show. I’m sure they’ll nail Mace’s foolishness, and I can’t wait for scenes between him and Olenna.

  290. René
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    How do you know they turned down Yorick van Wageningen? Because the actors from the leaked auditions from previous seasons were turned down?

  291. Jentario
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    René:
    Jentario,

    How do you know they turned down Yorick van Wageningen? Because the actors from the leaked auditions from previous seasons were turned down?

    No, because this new guy (Joseph Gatt, recently revealed to be cast) seems like he HAS to be Styr. Not only does he look similar to play the role and have the appropriate acting skills (Banshee) but he’s filming only four episodes which fits the short role. So it really seems like Yorick wasn’t cast as Styr. He may be something else, though.

  292. Jentario
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    René:
    After seeing all episodes of the the tudors recently I think Alan Van Sprang would be the ideal Euron Greyjoy since he played a hateable character with an eyepatch very convincingly.
    Also Styr already has been found: Yorick van Wageningen. Since he auditioned for the part they would be stupid not to take him, great actor.

    His appearance is a spot on Euron, but can he act well?

  293. Chickenduck
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Selmy:
    Chickenduck,

    I NEED to watch this show. The Dean from Community interviewing people from Breaking Bad, Parks and Rec and GoT. Its like someone designed this show especially for me.

    Me too!! I’d not heard of it before yesterday. Exactly what I need to see.

  294. WildSeed
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 11:07 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Hotttt.And Parks & Rec!Need to work out how to watch that over here…

    Apparently it’s co-sponsored by Entertainment Weekly. At the very end, a EW
    guy asked 2 or 3 questions. I totally ignored that until recollecting just now.
    The ” Writers Room ” is hosted by writer Jim Rash, and the questions put to the
    directors and script writers were very through and thoughtful. The entire
    exchange was moving and inspiring to witness. Men got choked up in passioned
    responses.

    As I was convinced by several here to view re-runs of ” Breaking Bad “, I have
    now completed 2.5 seasons. Fortunately, AMC ( American Movie Network ) and
    the Sundance Channel are airing re-runs from season one onward. The
    Writers Room covered enough depth and scope of the writer’s collective
    minds, I really appreciate the show that much more.

    Really looking forward to Benioff & Weiss, Cogman and the entire script
    writing team joins Rash for an in-depth discussion, on Monday 26 August 2013,
    @ 10 PM ( EST ? ). That’s 7 PM , PST for California. And probably wednesday
    or differently scheduled day for New Zealand. Hope WiC reminds us as the day
    nears. My calendar is marked ! *>*

  295. WildSeed
    Posted July 31, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Good point Mags, there is certainly more to come , with respect to character
    development. Jon is in it for the duration , but there is an awkwardness
    to Jon’s portrayal, even with subtle stoic moments that supposedly reflect
    his processing information. Book Jon did this, of course, but there were
    others that he shared his insights to. The last time that happened was S1,
    with BenJen, Eddard and Tyrion ( maybe an exception to include lord Mormont
    & maester Aemon ). The writers are obviously challenged to revise or create,
    with questionable thoroughness.

    Actor Costa-Waldau’s character is brash and appeals to many that have
    some affinity for that. His lack of intelligence on many matters had me
    contrasting him to Tyrion, more than I enjoy admitting , but NCW allows his
    Jaime to possesses a natural rich boy arrogance that easily gains attention
    onscreen. His more poignant moments with Brienne, in S3, has raised
    the bar a bit, with future acts and words of redemption, to prove
    his true worth. I hope he lives on in TWOW.

  296. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    mags giantsbabe,

    Good point Mags, there is certainly more to come , with respect to character
    development. Jon is in it for the duration , but there is an awkwardness
    to Jon’s portrayal, even with subtle stoic moments that supposedly reflect
    his processing information. Book Jon did this, of course, but there were
    others that he shared his insights to. The last time that happened was S1,
    with BenJen, Eddard and Tyrion ( maybe an exception to include lord Mormont& maester Aemon ). The writers are obviously challenged to revise or create,
    with questionable thoroughness.

    I’ve thought for a while that part of Jon’s problem in S2 and S3 is that his book stuff is mainly happening inside his head, which is hard to do onscreen.

    So in S1, his acting was fine as he could actually talk to people about what he was thinking. S2 and S3, the writing is limited to what services the story – he obviously can’t reveal his inner workings to the Wildlings.

    I guess you could do voiceovers, except that voiceovers are sh*t (looking at you Dexter).

  297. Lou Reed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Lou Reed,
    episode 2 – Mance’s tent set in NI
    episode 3 and 4 – The North in Iceland
    episode 5 – Castle Black set in NI

    That definately looks like Styr, and makes alot of sense. But which source did you get these from?

  298. Lou Reed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    Regarding the Dornish, I am clinging to some vague, that they have cast Arys Oakheart and Arianne.

    It was rumoured somewhere several months ago, and it would be a chance to have some scenes with Myrcella.

    It seems that Ariannes importance will grow in the last two books, and it would make good sense to get such an important character introduced as soon as possible.

    Lets say, theoretically, that Aegon and Arianne are married, and the saga ends with them ruling Westeros (not an unlikely theory). As show runners, would you want the Game of Thrones won, by two characters that are not introduced, until over halfway into the series?

  299. Krats
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    They did a good job. I love how all the Tyrells have the similar upturn nose.

  300. WildSeed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:57 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Valid points about book and screen Jon mental processing, however GRRM had
    him at least feigning interest or connection with an occasional Wildling. Jon
    couldn’t convince everyone of his change of heart, but he understood his survival and information gathering remain essential to his mission. Viewers primarily received an
    overly long display of footsies under the wool blanket with Ygritte, focusing on their relationship than discerning any thing useful. The one key factor was Tormund
    demonstrating just how much he knew of the Wall. The whole time viewing Jon,
    I kept questioning what he’s discerned thus far , with respect to Wildling secrets.
    And I guess the Horn is out as any significance, as Giants move about willingly

    The writers must think of something clever to invent for Jon’s return, because all
    remains to be seen or shared. One thing for certain, Ygritte’s arrows struck true
    with his wounded appearance upon return to Castle Black, Without those, I
    wouldn’t have been to quick to believe anything he say, or let him in. Thankfully
    Pyp, Samwell and Grenn are there, along with wise Aemon.

  301. mags giantsbabe
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck and Wildseed

    This exactly. And of course we’ll have Sam again, and some Alisser Thorne and Janos Slynt interactions, which will no doubt make Jon’s dialogue interesting. With that being said, Jon’s monologue to Ygritte that the wildlings will fail if they attack the Wall is one of the best Jon scenes in the series. Kudos to Kit for that. He captured Jon perfectly in that moment.

    I love Ciaran’s Mance, just too little screen time. Imagine the Mance we would have had if he had the same amount of time and dialogue as Dianna Rigg. Life is unfair.

  302. Liam
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    I Haven’t read the books so I don’t know how he is described, but I imagined him to be Gilderoy Lockheart from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

  303. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Liam:
    I Haven’t read the books so I don’t know how he is described, but I imagined him to be Gilderoy Lockheart from Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets.

    Haha, I was a massive Kenneth Branagh fan back when I was acting/producing stuff with a Shakespearean theatre company in the early 2000s. He’s ace. That said, I’ve not thought of him as a first choice for any GoT roles so far.

  304. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:27 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,
    It was speculation, I never said it was confirmed…

  305. Chriss
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Amazing casting and wonderful actor!

  306. mags giantsbabe
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Wildseed

    You’ve pretty much summed up what was missing from an adaptive stand-point. I never thought about the arrows being so important, especially in light of helping Jon prove his mission. Except that Jon knows they have giants, that Mance have united different tribes and that he’s discerned they know quite a lot about how the Wall is manned, I’m not sure what else he can use during battle, or to prove his worthiness as LC.

  307. Pepi
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    I just hope they don’t make him into everyone’s favorite floor mop. No one (well, except maybe for QoT)’s pushing Mace around due to his position — it’s his own words and/or actions that make him somewhat of an inferior player in reader’s eyes. Book Mace is pretty regal looking while this guy looks like he’s been chewed up and spit out by every person he’s ever encountered. I hope they include the “whole” character. Not just incompetence but also his pride, snobbishness and the fact that he’s important and he knows it — and will take the slightest hint of an insult as means of extorting the furthering of his position (which the rest of the players are well aware of). Lol, I can’t believe I’m fearing for Mace Tyrell’s characterization. Of all characters. xD

  308. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    To answer your last point, GRRM introduced ‘Aegon’ into the series more than halfway through the books, so I don’t know why the show couldn’t. Although, I have often wondered if the show will simply cut the ‘Aegon’/Connington/Blackfyre/Golden Company storyline out. There is no prophecy about a ‘mummer’s dragon’ in the show and there has been no mention of the Blackfyres. I am pretty much convinced that Young Griff is Illyrio’s son by his second wife, who was a Blackfyre descendant, and not really the true Aegon.

  309. WildSeed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Even lord Jeor knew about the amassed splinter tribes of Free Folk joining
    Mance, Qhorin got to at least confirmed that much. The knowledge I
    mentioned earlier, of Tormund’s Wall insights, may prepare the brothers
    to reinforce Forts in suspected weak points. The issue of Magic was never
    emphasized beyond Queen’s Crown ( with Samwell’s party ) and at the Night
    Door, so I’m not convinced that the writers may effectively convince the
    audience of magic shields elsewhere. The concept of ” magic ” remains
    elusive for Game of Thrones – TV……… big disappointment.

    At any rate, upon Jon’s admissions to heads at Castle Black, we’ll get to
    listen to what’s been going through his head thus far. Writers have the
    potential to make that scene a pivotal one.

  310. A wildling Bastard
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    i don’t believe he’s playing Styr .. i remember him tweeting about how Amazing his costume was and how excited he was .. my guess he would be playing a Giant ..

  311. Chris
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Wow, not what I expected at all.
    Yeah, he does seem awfully old to be Mace.
    Isn’t Mace supposed to be more like a contemporary of Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon and Tywin Lannister?
    He looks he’d be Oleanna Tyrell’s HUSBAND… not her SON!
    Let’s see how this works out.

  312. Chickenduck
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 6:07 am | Permalink

    Chris:
    Wow, not what I expected at all.
    Yeah, he does seem awfully old to be Mace.
    Isn’t Mace supposed to be more like a contemporary of Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon and Tywin Lannister?
    He looks he’d be Oleanna Tyrell’s HUSBAND…not her SON!
    Let’s see how this works out.

    He’s almost 20 years younger than Diana Rigg, so will be fine from a son-of-Olenna point of view. He just looks old in the face.

    Regarding his contemporaries – two things. Firstly, Loras and Margery are significantly older on the show than in the books, so show Mace should also be older than book Mace.

    Secondly, Tywin is not the same age as Robert and Ned. In the books, Tywin is in his late 50s, whereas Robert and Ned are in their late 30s. Mace is somewhere in-between.

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