Joseph Gatt cast
By Ours is the Fury on in Casting, Speculation.

Joseph GattIt appears that Banshee and Star Trek Into Darkness actor Joseph Gatt has won a role in the fourth season of Game of Thrones.

The casting was discovered by WiC commenter The Rabbit, who spotted the announcement on the news page of Robert Kelly Associates, the actor’s agency. (The casting announcement has been deleted since the initial discovery.) Gatt’s Facebook page reveals that he has just wrapped filming in Iceland, and will be appearing in four episodes total.

We have reached out to HBO for official confirmation of the casting.

Update: HBO confirms that Gatt has been cast, but declines to confirm the actor’s role at this time.

Ours is the Fury: Fans have been speculating that Gatt may be playing Styr, given he mostly fits the description of the wildling leader. With a four episode role and such a striking appearance, it seems like a strong possibility.


247 Comments

  1. Grijnwaald
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Hodor

  2. Mescalinic
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    too much ears.

  3. M
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    He looks like Mr. Clean o.o

  4. Fourth of His Name
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    They do such a great job casting for this show. Another great actor to be killed off – I love it! … Unless they throw a curve ball and decide to keep him around. (Yes, I realize “only four episodes” but you never know!)

  5. Andrew
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Darn, I still haven’t seen Into Darkness even though i’ve been really meaning to! Ah well, I’m sure he’s a fine actor indeed. I’m really enjoying all these announcements. Hopefully, there will still be a few more.

  6. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Great nipples. I hope he is Lady Merryweather.

  7. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    I’m trying really hard to think of anyone he could possibly be playing besides Styr and I can’t come up with anyone. I suppose he could be like…Thenn sidekick #1 or something. But four episodes in Iceland is a lot for a role not in the books, and there’s no one in the Vale or Arya’s storyline I can think of that would be suitable.

  8. Davy
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I’m trying really hard to think of anyone he could possibly be playing besides Styr and I can’t come up with anyone. I suppose he could be like…Thenn sidekick #1 or something.But four episodes in Iceland is a lot for a role not in the books, and there’s no one in the Vale or Arya’s storyline I can think of that would be suitable.

    Victarion Greyjoy possibly?

    Although the actor’s looks scream Styr to me though. They might want to keep him in if they are going to combine him with his son. But I don’t think so.

  9. Turncloak
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Karl the maid? :-)

  10. Cosca
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    If he is Styr, this is seriously perfect casting (ok, apart from the missing ears)

  11. Jack
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Four episodes is more than I would have anticipated them giving him. This is good news that this storyline won’t be too compressed.

  12. The Lightning Lord
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Well, he can’t be Victarion…

  13. andre
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Could he be Bloodraven?

  14. Carne
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Has to be Styr.

  15. The Lightning Lord
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    I’d have thought Bloodraven would be… you know, older…

  16. dragonmaester
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    maybe this explains why Rose Leslie was/is in Iceland

  17. andre
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    Yes, he’d have to have a ton of make-up applied. I just think this dude has a look that could work well as an albino greenseer :)

  18. Josh Parker
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Okay, seriously, they couldn’t find an actor with no ears to play Styr? Damn, that Nina Gold is terrible! I mean, sure, three awesome seasons, but that doesn’t mean we can’t still be cynical about season four! First we get a white Oberyn when Dornishmen are CLEARLY black (I don’t care what GRRM said; I’ve always pictured the Dornish as black, so therefore they are), then an ugly Mace (Mace is supposed to be a looker!) and now we get a dude with ears to play a character that doesn’t have ears! I mean, it’s the be-all and end-all of his character!

  19. Oz of Thrones
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    He looks like the guy that played the Albino.

    Edit: Considering “The Rabbit” discovered it, that would make perfect sense. He was a badass in Banshee. Of course, I don’t know who Styr is, but if he is a badass, this guy should do well.

    Spoilers everywhere. Oz out.

  20. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Really thinking HBO has adapted a strategy of not releasing character names as a way to drum up more buzz about the show. Or their shielding the actor from earlier criticism for whatever casting they landed. Look at Pedro Pascal or Gods sake. I hope he had the good humour to laugh off any of the comments made. But as an actor he probably has a thick skin.

  21. The Lightning Lord
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Interesting fact: Gatt was the motion capture model & likeness for Kratos of the God of War series. I’d say there was a parallel with Styr, considering they both “command leadership” among their men…

  22. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    I agree that he would make a brilliant Styr. If the speculation ends up being correct and they do end up merging the battle at Castle Black with the siege on the Wall I would love to see this guy lock horns with Stannis in the battle. Would be such a great clash on screen.

  23. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Look I don’t want to get into this discussion really, but virtually no one ever said they thought the Dornish were black. I don’t know why people keep exaggerating like that.
    And now we have Indira Varma, a woman of Indian and Swiss-English descent as a sandy Dornishwoman, so I guess people weren’t that far off the mark. Everyone’s happy, let’s move on. :)

  24. Selmy
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Yeah I don’t see who else apart from Styr he could be. Very good casting. In photos where he’s not smiling he looks really intimidating.

    I also think the ’20 bald extras’ will be his gang of Thenns. I think making all the Thenns bald will give them a striking and memorable look and will set them apart from the rest of the wildlings. (Which is good because the Thenns become important down the road when Sigorn Thenn marries Alys Karstark and House Thenn is born).

    I’ve been trying to think what the Thenns will be doing this season are this is what I could come up with -

    Ep 1 – Mance receives word that Jon Snow has defected and has returned to castle black to warn them of attack. The surprise attack plan now ruined Mance orders Styr to lead a party over the Wall to reinforce Tormund’s gang.

    Ep 2 – Tormund, Ygritte and the wildling await reinforcements

    Ep 3 – Styr and the reinforcements arrive and meet with Tormund’s gang

    Ep 4 – Styr and Tormund plan their attack on Castle Black

    Ep 5 – They attack Castle Black. Styr and Ygritte die, Tormund survives and is made a prisoner of the watch. (This means that when Jon is later imprisoned by Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt there could be a scene where they share a jail cell. Then when Jon is released to treat with Mance Tormund can go with him.

    Or something like that.

  25. Pete
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    He is the guy.

    Great show too.

  26. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I think Josh Parker was being sarcastic. That said, he is missing that crucial tone to make it appear like sarcasm. I read it first as a fanboy rant.

  27. Selmy
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    You need to tune your sarcasm detector.

  28. who even?
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    People exaggerate like that because most of this fandom is not satisfied unless they find something to be negative about, it seems.

  29. Josh Parker
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Selmy,

    Thank you, guys.

    Yes, I was being sarcastic. I love the choices so far, all of them. Gatt looks like the perfect Styr, if that’s who he is.

    And no, I don’t think the Dornish were supposed to be black, but it does seem like a lot of fans thought so, and that’s what I was mocking.

  30. Josh Parker
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    I just re-read it, and I honestly don’t know how I could have been more obviously sarcastic without writing “J/K” at the end.

  31. H. Stark
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Maybe he is another White Walker?

  32. guffetryne
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    I don’t see how Ours is the Fury’s comment somehow implies her not understanding that it was sarcasm. Josh’s comment was obviously mocking people who claimed the Dornish were black, and Ours is the Fury replied to say that people didn’t actually think that. It’s like, “I get that you’re joking, but come on, no one really thought those things you are mocking people for thinking.”

  33. Boojam
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    HbO’s (or is it D&D’s) radio silence about these things amazes me.
    I guess it’s supposed to be some ‘hype’ thing…. I don’t see it…
    Did the special reel of casting revelations spoil something last year?
    I think fans disagreements about casting choices have a gnat’s bites influence.

  34. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    For the record, my Lady Merryweather recommendation was sarcastic.

  35. Josh Parker
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    guffetryne,

    Except that quite a few people seemed to think that very thing. This is the last I’ll say about it, but on the Pedro Pascal thread, many said they thought Dornish were supposed to look “African”. One guy was either trolling or doesn’t know that “Olive skin” is an actual term for the skin tone of a Mediterranean person, and thought that “olive skin” must mean “the color of a black olive” because otherwise they’d be green.

  36. Panicintrinsica
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker:
    I just re-read it, and I honestly don’t know how I could have been more obviously sarcastic without writing “J/K” at the end.

    Yeah… I thought the “I don’t care what GRRM said” part made it kind of an obvious.

  37. Jack
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker: w. Another great actor to be killed off – I love it! … Unless they throw a curve ball and decide to keep him around. (Yes, I realize “only four episodes” but you never know!)

    And OITF clearly knew you were being sarcastic? I don’t see anything in her comments that says otherwise. She was just clearing up the fact that people keep saying “but the dornish aren’t black!” when most fans who maintain that they aren’t white never said they thought they were black in the first place. Sarcasm or not, it’s still annoying to keep perpetuating something most fans didn’t even say to begin with.

  38. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    guffetryne nailed exactly what I was thinking. I got your sarcasm, but I didn’t care for the exaggeration. Many were trying to say they pictured the Dornish as looking North African because of the connections GRRM made to the Moorish history and culture with his depictions. But North African does not equal black. There was a great deal of confusion in that thread amid the arguing and I think with so many people getting upset with each other, some interesting points of discussion got lost. Those were some rough threads.

    But anyway, I agree that the topic is played out at this point. There’s not much point in the circular debate.

  39. The Lightning Lord
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    For four episodes? Unless the White Walkers are taking over Westeros already, I don’t think that would be possible. The more I grill my mind over it, I can’t think of any other role in his age and “type” range that I could see him playing…

  40. guffetryne
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Well, that’s not the point here. Nothing in her comment implies that she didn’t realize your post was sarcastic. I was responding to Selmy saying her sarcasm detector was broken, if you didn’t notice.

    I have absolutely no desire to get into that discussion again..

    Ours is the Fury,

    Yay!

  41. Ernestas
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Areo Hotah

  42. Cosca
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Ernestas,

    In Iceland?

  43. The Lightning Lord
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    The most absurd thing about that whole argument was that even many north Africans have olive skins and many are interchangeable with southern European people. Instead, we had many people making into a “white”/”black” thing, which was absurd. To give my two cents, I felt Pascal has olive skin. End of. But you can’t please everybody.

  44. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Ernestas,

    Man, I wish we were getting Dorne scenes with Hotah. It looks like the rumor of Dorne scenes this year is probably false but that would be cool.

  45. Swords
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:29 am | Permalink

    i’m getting a déjà vu in every thread where all this stuff about the black/white and actor issue is discussed. this is getting annoying.

    can’t we just happy that we have such a great cast, agree that Game of Thrones should be honored with as much Emmys as possible and that we should trust the casting and crew with their decisions? Game of Thrones is the best and strongest show on TV right now and every one has their part in it. Sometimes the Fans are the worst ones who always complain no matter on whom or what – that’s the most annoying thing.

  46. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    So ANYWAY, back to this guy. He has strange eyes. Dude’s pretty strong looking. But that’ll probably be hidden under armor/wardrobe. If I had to guess, I’d go with….RANDYLL TARLY lololol

  47. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord,

    I’d say the most absurd thing is that people keep having it, and having it every single time someone is cast, and making mocking jokes of the other side. But we can agree to disagree :P

  48. Jack
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Swords,

    You’re asking for a lot of tall orders there, lol.

  49. Anonymous
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    How tall is he? Could he be yet another replacement for the Mountain?

  50. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    He’s 6’1″. So no. Ia Whyte is the Mountain.

  51. Omar Brown
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    Not bald enough.

  52. Josh Parker
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Long story short, Joseph Gatt is cool, and I hope he’s Styr, but I’m glad he’s in this at all.

  53. ATG
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Perfect casting for Styr the Magnar, assuming that he is playing Styr which seems very likely. Also glad to know that he will appear in four episodes.

  54. Panicintrinsica
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Anonymous,

    Man, I honestly think I would laugh if Gregor was played by a different actor for each season he is in. He’d be like an unintentional faceless man.

  55. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Omar came

  56. Mormegil
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    The Lightning Lord:
    To give my two cents, I felt Pascal has olive skin. End of. But you can’t please everybody.

    Recent pic of Pedro Pascal in Belfast which may give an idea of how the RV will look .

  57. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Anonymous:
    How tall is he?Could he be yet another replacement for the Mountain?

    He is a whitewashed Dornish half-brother of the mountain come to take Pod’s role in Brienne’s storyline. Obviosuly.

    sorry, I couldn’t resist… I wasn’t keen on Pascal’s casting at first actually, I had pictured Oberyn darker, but all the backlash against him, especially considering the author has said that he looks right for the role, has turned me kind of defensive of the casting, which is the opposite of what I initially felt. I guess fandom made something positive here? =D

  58. khal Ali
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Shouldn’t he be older ?

  59. King DBC
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    He’s a strange looking guy! I didn’t even notice him in Into Darkness… And I don’t really remember Styr from the books either. This is all strange to me, because with so many scenes being filmed in Iceland now, why are they almost done shooting there? Or will the Iceland, Croatia and Belfast shooting overlap?

  60. Cary Storm
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    He’s Moqorro. They’re going in a different direction with that character.

  61. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    The Croatia and Belfast shooting will overlap, I assume. Belfast seems to run almost all the time. Iceland filming will be done as of today. Croatia filming begins August 20th.

    I do remember Gatt in STID, actually. He is a memorable-looking guy.

    khal Ali,

    He’s 37, so he’s theoretically old enough to have older teenage/young adult children. But I get the feeling that if he is Styr, they won’t bother with that storyline with Sigorn anyway, so his age won’t matter.

  62. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Lol! I get that you’re joking, but who the hell is Moqorro anyway? Someone from Dany’s storyline, I take it, but these characters all have impossible names, I get them confused…

  63. mags giantsbabe
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    Selmy

    I like your thinking. I keep wondering what on earth they will do with The Wall story for S4 with Jon’s limited screen time, but if this guy is Styr, then woop woop! Especially if he is killed by Jon in a badass way if he instead leads the armies in the final battle and the two of them have a show-down in ep9. Or he will help Tormund attack from the south like you suggested. His presence in Iceland together with Rose Leslie can be confirmed if we know they filmed in snowy conditions. But this then means Ygritte doesn’t die early and will probably perish later in the final battle. Keep in mind that David and Dan confirmed that “a lovely young actress dies quite early in S4″ and I’m convinced this is not Shae. I think Ygritte will probably die in ep 1 or two.

  64. Jaqen is Q
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    If not Styr, could he be Coldhands?

  65. cantuse
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Not Dany’s storyline. If you’re not a book reader I won’t spoil it other than to say it’s part of an unrevealed Greyjoy storyline.

  66. JRR Tzolkin
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q:
    If not Styr, could he be Coldhands?

    My thoughts exactly.

  67. Treasonbeard
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Josh Parker,

    Look I don’t want to get into this discussion really, but virtually no one ever said they thought the Dornish were black. I don’t know why people keep exaggerating like that.
    And now we have Indira Varma, a woman of Indian and Swiss-English descent as a sandy Dornishwoman, so I guess people weren’t that far off the mark. Everyone’s happy, let’s move on. :)

    WOOOOOSHHH

    Oh my goodness, what just went over your head!??

  68. Rhys
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Why does everyone jump on Fury when she was perceived to make a mistake (which she didn’t)? Is it because she’s a mod or because she’s a she?

    Anyway. The guy looks like a slightly more attractive version of Jonjo Shelvey. From the video we saw of the Magnar of Thenn audition, they were looking to cast someone with a similar accent to Hivju who plays Tormund. Hivju is Norwegian and the guy in the video was Dutch from memory. This guy is from central London, so no such luck there.

    Given the Magnar would have to shoot with Jon, I’m thinking it has to be someone in Arya/Sansa/Brienne’s arc.

  69. Greg
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Maybe they introduce Archibald Yronwood early? He seems bald enough to be the “big man.”

  70. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    cantuse,

    Thanks! I have read the first 3 books at least 10 times. With book four and five, some chapters I’ve read 10 times and others I’ve skipped entirely. I remember reading some Greyjoy chapters, but I didn’t like these wife-killing, people-drowning lunatics, so yeah, I gave up. But feel free to spoil it for me, I love spoilers and I’d love to know without having to read through page after page of Victarion lamenting how he just had to kill his wife, poor him.

    EDIT: On second thoughts, thou, I can also google it, I guess, no reason why you should be my personal dictionary :)

  71. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Trying to think of who else Gatt could be, and looking at his comments, he indicates he’s in four episodes, but that doesn’t necessarily mean four episodes only. Just four eps this year, and he could be a returning character.
    Which still doesn’t tell us much….One of the other Thenns, or a beefed up wildling character- maybe someone like Jarl brought in to introduce Val, or something alone those lines.

  72. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    guffetryne:
    Selmy,

    I don’t see how Ours is the Fury’s comment somehow implies her not understanding that it was sarcasm. Josh’s comment was obviously mocking people who claimed the Dornish were black, and Ours is the Fury replied to say that people didn’t actually think that. It’s like, “I get that you’re joking, but come on, no one really thought those things you are mocking people for thinking.”

    Please don’t tell me there’s a certain limit on how outlandish people can get when they’re mocking something. Yes, people weren’t getting that outlandish, but that’s the point – to be outlandish as possible because IT’S MOCKING. Sigh.

    Meanwhile, unless Joseph Gatt represents a re-cast Shireen Baratheon, there’s no way this isn’t Styr. I mean, LOOK at this guy. Holy friggin’ schneikes.

  73. Pau Soriano
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Josh Parker,

    Look I don’t want to get into this discussion really, but virtually no one ever said they thought the Dornish were black. I don’t know why people keep exaggerating like that.
    And now we have Indira Varma, a woman of Indian and Swiss-English descent as a sandy Dornishwoman, so I guess people weren’t that far off the mark. Everyone’s happy, let’s move on. :)

    Excusatio non petita, accusatio manifesta ;)

  74. Rhys
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Could he be Hyle Hunt? I always imagined him as younger and shorter, mind you.

  75. Cary Storm
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:42 am | Permalink
  76. iam76
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    He would make for a great giant that may battle in the tunnel under wall…

  77. boze
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Rhys: Given the Magnar would have to shoot with Jon

    Not necessarily. He can have a scene with Mance. And by the look of the leaked casting tape, Styr will have at least one scene with Ygritte and Tormund before he reaches Castle Black.

  78. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Rhys,

    He’s not how I pictured Hyle either, but it’s an interesting idea.

  79. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    The thing is, if he’s Hyle Hunt, the Bloodraven, Septon Meribald, Elder Brother, the Quiet Man of Braavos, or anything else, they all fall into “that’s an interesting way to go, I wonder how that’ll turn out.”

    If he’s Styr (or Sigorn, if they find an older bald dude, maybe Michael Berryman :) ), it’s not “that’s interesting.” It’s like, “Yeah, gigantic scary-ass bald guy. Done.” If he’s not Styr, he’s one of the other Thenns hanging out with him.

  80. Rhys
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    boze: Not necessarily. He can have a scene with Mance. And by the look of the leaked casting tape, Styr will have at least one scene with Ygritte and Tormund before he reaches Castle Black.

    I just realised that if had scenes with Jon at all they would probably be filmed in Belfast. So, I’m thinking the Magnar has to be the favourite.

  81. Fourth of His Name
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q:
    If not Styr, could he be Coldhands?

    JRR Tzolkin: My thoughts exactly.

    Oooohh, interesting. He has a look that would make Coldhands look quite creepy.

  82. Darquemode
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m on the same page as most and think he is Styr, but…
    - If not perhaps Yorick van Wageningen was cast as Styr since we did se his audition for that role and Joseph Gatt will play Sigorn? I think it is less likely, but never know.

    Also maybe we are reading too much into his being bald meaning he will be cast in a bald role? To me it makes sense he will play a bald role, but maybe not…

    - We know Maisie and Gwen were in Iceland filming, perhaps he is in one of their arcs? No roles jump out at me, but maybe it’s possible?

    I thought Styr would be cut last year, but upon hearing they were casting for the role Gatt was immediately my favorite. Outside of Styr I also thought of him for Archibald ‘Big Man’ Yronwood, but I don’t see him introduced this early or filming in Iceland. Frankly he may not make the series anyway….

    At this point i will be shocked if Joseph Gatt is not a Thenn and surprised if he is not Styr.

  83. Lars
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I’m trying really hard to think of anyone he could possibly be playing besides Styr and I can’t come up with anyone. I suppose he could be like…Thenn sidekick #1 or something.But four episodes in Iceland is a lot for a role not in the books, and there’s no one in the Vale or Arya’s storyline I can think of that would be suitable.

    Remember though that most (or all) of the Iceland shoot this year were for scenes SOUTH of the wall. Not north. Unless I am mistaken.

    But people keep assuming that Iceland shooting = North. But not necessarily the case this year.

  84. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Grijnwaald:
    Hodor

    Someone explain to me how the heck the Hodor joke started.

  85. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: Also maybe we are reading too much into his being bald meaning he will be cast in a bald role? To me it makes sense he will play a bald role, but maybe not…

    Maybe we are. But LOOK AT THIS @!%$@$#% GUY. What about him does not ring out “Big bald bad-ass Wildling.” ??

  86. Darquemode
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Agreed!
    I just hate feeling so sure on what is honestly just speculation- Educated speculation, but speculation nonetheless. I’m trying to think outside the box, and outside my own personal feelings in hopes someone can come up with an idea I am missing.

    That all said, I mean he has to be Styr right? XD

  87. Winter
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Obvious Styr is obvious. Great casting.

  88. Hi-Fi
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    A bit off-topic, but can we be sure by now that there won’t be a Val in the show?

  89. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker:
    I just re-read it, and I honestly don’t know how I could have been more obviously sarcastic without writing “J/K” at the end.

    And that, sir, is how far we have fallen. ;-)

    I added the ;-) to indicate sarcasm hyuk!

  90. guffetryne
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: Please don’t tell me there’s a certain limit on how outlandish people can get when they’re mocking something. Yes, people weren’t getting that outlandish, but that’s the point – to be outlandish as possible because IT’S MOCKING. Sigh.

    Meanwhile, unless Joseph Gatt represents a re-cast Shireen Baratheon, there’s no way this isn’t Styr. I mean, LOOK at this guy. Holy friggin’ schneikes.

    I feel like you’re completely missing the point. The rest of Josh’s comment was purely sarcastic and a good parody of how crazy some people get when complaining about casting. But going too far over the top kind of invalidates what you’re trying to accomplish. I do think mocking people for something you made up is stupid. It’s like when someone complains about how litigious the US is, and they go “Those stupid Americans even sue McDonalds when they spill coffee on themselves!!1″, and you have to stop them and explain that that was a perfectly legitimate lawsuit.

    Anyway, this is way off topic, and I’ll leave it at that. This guy has to be Styr! He looks perfect for it.

  91. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Iceland still served as the North partly though. Rose Leslie was filming there so there are some wildling scenes.

    Of the other people we’ve seen in Iceland:

    Brienne’s scenes with Pod will probably be set toward the end of the season and there isn’t anyone who would be around for four episodes. Hyle Hunt is an interesting idea but for four episodes Brienne would have to be leaving King’s Leading very early in the season to make that work.

    Arya and Sandor- they’re not around any person consistently for four episodes’ worth of time, I think. Can anyone else think of someone?

    The Vale – exteriors with Petyr and Sansa. Possible. If they leave KL early enough. Maybe a Royce or someone else serving Lysa?

    Wildling seems like the best bet, though it’s definitely not guaranteed. I think considering other possible roles or regions is a good idea, because you never know.

  92. Adria
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    Hilarious!!! I guess some people get touchy about this subject, but you nailed it.

  93. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode: I just hate feeling so sure on what is honestly just speculation- Educated speculation, but speculation nonetheless. I’m trying to think outside the box, and outside my own personal feelings in hopes someone can come up with an idea I am missing.

    Totally understood and agreed, and why many were correct that Marc Gatiss was an up-in-the-air choice for Mace, for instance. There are plenty of such examples, and I’m sure we’ll have more of them. On this one, though, if it doesn’t turn out, I’ll post a video of me eating my own hat.

  94. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Now only if Jorahs nips would poke out like that in his v necks…. meow.

  95. patchface
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    He probably is Styr but he could be Coldhands too

  96. Evltwyn
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    I say he’s Styr or Sigorn. Maybe they will combine the 2 rolls.

  97. Jacarb
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi:
    A bit off-topic, but can we be sure by now that there won’t be a Val in the show?

    I don’t think we can be sure. Dalla and Val would only be in a few scenes. One or two episodes, tops. And for this season they’d be in the tent, so likely filmed in Belfast. Since even a combined character would never be a huge part (even if her marriage is spoken of often, it’s while the men are talking), there wouldn’t be any grand casting announcements. But I do think at least one of them is necessary, as the protection of Mance’s son has set off a chain of various events that have yet to pay off (Sam in Oldtown, Marwyn setting off to be Dany’s maester, the Pate/Alleras gang of intrigue, &c.).

  98. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    guffetryne: But going too far over the top kind of invalidates what you’re trying to accomplish. I do think mocking people for something you made up is stupid. It’s like when someone complains about how litigious the US is, and they go “Those stupid Americans even sue McDonalds when they spill coffee on themselves!!1″, and you have to stop them and explain that that was a perfectly legitimate lawsuit.

    Ha, it’s funny, because I’m one of those who always tells people how that McDonald’s lawsuit was actually really serious (and FWIW, most people characterize it as a person trying to drink the coffee and burning their tongue.)

    In this instance, however, the mocking exaggeration is there from the outset, when he gets mad at saying they should have found an actor with no ears. That’s why I kind of see the additional mocking as equally silly, and just addressing it as pointless. That said, seeing as where we’ve gone in this convo, I’ve only made it worse, although thankfully we’re not yelling at each other or threatening to demand explanations from GRRM. :)

    Plus, if we go much further, I fear Joseph Gatt is going to come in here with his gigantic machete and cleave us all in half like we’re a bunch of Others.

  99. SHK12344
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    My guess is he will be playing a new com combined character from wildling, who will continue to play important role in the future at the Wall and the north.

  100. A Man Grown
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Did we really have a discussion about whether or not someone is sarcastic and whether or not someone else knew he was sarcastic? What are we doing here?

  101. cantuse
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Meh, to each his own. :D

    I personally thought Victarion was one of the best things about ADWD. He’s obviously hard to sympathize with and he’s unrelentingly savage, but his presence brings so, so, soooo much levity to the proceedings. It’s nice to read a POV that’s so proud, straightforward and so sure-footed; its a great contrast against all of the doubt and inner turmoil that crowds the stage in other POVs.

    I’ve never felt so ashamed of giggling as I did when I first read his chapters.

  102. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    cantuse:
    Lady of Highgarden,

    Meh, to each his own. :D

    I personally thought Victarion was one of the best things about ADWD. He’s obviously hard to sympathize with and he’s unrelentingly savage, but his presence brings so, so, soooo much levity to the proceedings. It’s nice to read a POV that’s so proud, straightforward and so sure-footed; its a great contrast against all of the doubt and inner turmoil that crowds the stage in other POVs.

    I’ve never felt so ashamed of giggling as I did when I first read his chapters.

    Amen on all levels. I actually don’t see him as a fool at all as some do. And it’s worth it just because of the Moqorro angle, one of my favorite instances of putting 2 oddballs together and seeing what happens.

  103. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Nice Rack!

  104. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    This guy screams Styr. I’ll be very surprised if it’s otherwise. Is it confirmed he is only in Iceland and won’t be filming in Belfast? If he’s in four episodes, they can’t have finished all his scenes in 2 weeks of Iceland filming.

    Why do people think Gregor is being recast? There’s nothing to indicate that. Ian Whyte is Gregor. The end.

  105. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    No, he said 2 episodes down, and 2 to go for him- meaning he filmed 2 episodes worth in Iceland, and he’s got 2 left. Don’t know if he’s going to Croatia or Belfast. Belfast is the more likely choice, since all interiors are filmed there.

  106. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    In GRRM’s own words, Victarion is a “brute and a dullard!” The guy thought he could sail the Dothraki Sea for crying out loud. One of the single biggest laugh out loud moments in the series was the Myrish sailor making fun of him for thinking that.

  107. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Also, the Castle Black set is in Belfast.

  108. Atomix
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    That dude was awesome on Banshee as a jailhouse rapist. and by that I mean terrifying. That show is totally worth a couple of episodes. I saw the one with this dude first and had to watch the whole first run in order.

  109. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Did we really have a discussion about whether or not someone is sarcastic and whether or not someone else knew he was sarcastic? What are we doing here?

    LOL, a whole lot of navel gazing?

  110. Jentario
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    The Croatia and Belfast shooting will overlap, I assume. Belfast seems to run almost all the time. Iceland filming will be done as of today. Croatia filming begins August 20th.

    I do remember Gatt in STID, actually. He is a memorable-looking guy.

    khal Ali,

    He’s 37, so he’s theoretically old enough to have older teenage/young adult children. But I get the feeling that if he is Styr, they won’t bother with that storyline with Sigorn anyway, so his age won’t matter.

    They could just make Sigorn his brother. Problem solved. But honestly, I’m not sure that will make the cut anyway… Unless they’ll make one and a half seasons out of books 4 & 5 and Jon’s story will last all the way through season 6. It would definitely be a fun and short guest role if they cast Alys Karstark, so I hope she makes it!

  111. patchface
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Evltwyn,

    And make one big roll?
    No I don’t think so ;)
    They might combine the two roles though. This is one of the few cases where I wouldn’t mind them doing so.

  112. egoogle123
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    fuck this. he has ears and doesn’t have grey eyes. haha jk. he makes a good Styr.

  113. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown
    ,

    I don’t appreciate your sarcasm Ser.

  114. dizzy
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    It’s got to be Styr. He’s too striking to be an unmemorable side character. I suppose that he could be Varamyr Sixskins, if they decide to introduce him. Coldhands would be cool too.

  115. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    In my mind there are only two real possibilities, either Styr or a Whitewalker to replace Whitewalker Bob killed by Sam, either as a recurring Whitewalker for Bran’s storyline or one for attacking the wildlings beyond the Wall, to remind the audience Whitewalkers still exist (or both of those)

  116. WildSeed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    The role of Styr is needed soon, so there’s reasonable Speculation there. This
    actor also has me considering later events with Connington, but
    that’s probably too soon to include at this point in the season.

  117. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    If Jon is going to be on the Iron Throne or become King in the North at the end, the marriage between Alys and Sigorn is important. It shows his ability to lead in non violent capacity and indicates he can unite warring factions.
    That’s all speculation of course. It just isn’t likely that the whole episode was included in ADWD for no reason.

  118. Nezzer
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    If Jon is going to be on the Iron Throne or become King in the North at the end, the marriage between Alys and Sigorn is important.It shows his ability to lead in non violent capacity and indicates he can unite warring factions. That’s all speculation of course.It just isn’t likely that the whole episode was included in ADWD for no reason.

    Agreed, but we don’t need Sigorn for that. Just let Styr survive and marry him off to Alys. Styr is cooler than Sigorn and it would be awesome to see him fighting some Greyjoys and Boltons at Stannis’s side.

  119. Moët
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    The Iceland scenes they just wrapped are all sunny and green. So not north of, or at The Wall.

    Which pretty much rules out everyone with Mance, Jon, and Bran.

    That leaves The Vale, The Iron Islands, and…. ?

  120. Nezzer
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Moët:
    The Iceland scenes they just wrapped are all sunny and green. So not north of, or at The Wall.

    Which pretty much rules out everyone with Mance, Jon, and Bran.

    That leaves The Vale, The Iron Islands, and…. ?

    Not really. Rose Leslie was seen in Iceland.

  121. boze
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    You know he’s being sarcastic, right?

    (JK)

  122. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    It doesn’t rule out Mance or people in his story. Rose Leslie was confirmed to be filming in Iceland. People actually snapped pics of her on set, so it’s for sure. There are some wildling scenes there. Since it’s summertime in Iceland, my guess is that the scenes are set near the Wall, maybe around the time of the attack. But if Ygritte is in Iceland and in green territory, then any other wildling can be.

  123. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: Not really. Rose Leslie was seen in Iceland.

    That wasn’t Rose Leslie. That was a long haired boy with Down Syndrome.

    BOOM Rose roasted!!!

  124. boze
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    Except that there are wildings south of the Wall since S3.

  125. Rygar
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    Where have you been? We all miss you at the forums.

  126. Bethany
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Random question: Do we know if they’re finished with Iceland completely, or just “summer Iceland”? In other words, might there be more Iceland filming in a few months for NotW scenes?

  127. Moët
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Moët,

    Where have you been?We all miss you at the forums.

    Awe! Thanks babe! Just über-busy! :)

  128. PattonFiend
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    He’s creepy looking, lol…

  129. Delta1212
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown:
    Did we really have a discussion about whether or not someone is sarcastic and whether or not someone else knew he was sarcastic? What are we doing here?

    Is it better or worse that we’re now having a discussion about the fact that we had that discussion?

  130. Darquemode
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    Bethany,

    I was wondering about that too, but I have not heard about any plans to return to Iceland in Winter. I would assume that the Icelandic papers would comment on it if there were plans to do so.

    From what I’ve read I think most of the Wildling filming will take place at the Castle Black set in Belfast, in the studio in Belfast for interior shots or south of the wall (filmed in Summer in Iceland).

  131. franco
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Bethany:
    Random question: Do we know if they’re finished with Iceland completely, or just “summer Iceland”?In other words, might there be more Iceland filming in a few months for NotW scenes?

    Yeah, I wan’t to ask the same. Some of the characters are North of the Wall, and Iceland was perfect for it and since I doubt Bran & co. will need long scenes the short daylight wont be a problem for him

  132. Al Swearengen
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Good casting for a wildling. Gatt’s appearance in Banshee was memorable.

    Who did he play in Into Darkness?

    BTW someone should hand Joseph a jumper, it looks cold in that room.

  133. Moët
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    PattonFiend:
    He’s creepy looking, lol…

    If you mean by “creepy”, totally sexy and badass, then yeah. :)

  134. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    In GRRM’s own words, Victarion is a “brute and a dullard!” The guy thought he could sail the Dothraki Sea for crying out loud. One of the single biggest laugh out loud moments in the series was the Myrish sailor making fun of him for thinking that.

    Good point. Of course, what happened to that guy?

  135. The Onion Knight
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    He will be playing the role of Coldhands

  136. Arthur
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Dude looks like a total badass warrior to me!

    Whatever part he plays I look forward to seeing a warrior with his physical stature on the scene.

    About time we get a kickass looking warrior like that, hasn’t been one since Khal Drogo.

    Just throw some hide and bone armor on him, give him a huge battleaxe and let him do his thing!

  137. Garlan NAITS
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    cantuse,

    This is actually a great point that I hadn’t really thought about before. I liked Victarion’s POV a lot but never really considered why I preferred it to vast majorities of the rest of the book.

    It definitely brought a different flavor from the self-doubt/worried/enslaved/etc. POV’s. And it didn’t have the flavor of other POV’s where you see the characters engaging in actions you know are going to bring them to ruin. (I’m looking North here). The one exception would maybe be Griff, but you already know he’s doomed. Victarion has a sense of purpose and direction, which was refreshing since, as much as I in general like all of the books, I thought the last one wandered around a lot without a sense of urgency.

  138. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Who did he play in Into Darkness?

    If you recall a bald robotic-sounding bridge crew member (seriously, unmistakable synth-esque voice; he speaks several times) that’s him. Production staff affectionately refers to his character as GATT-9000.

  139. davidbc
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    He really looks like Hizdahr zo Loraq to me… Maybe and early introduction?

    I agree that he could be Victarion Greyjoy… I mean, he looks exactly how I pictured him…

  140. Garlan NAITS
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Really far afield here, but did anyone else get the sense that GRRM had just watched Apocalypse Now or read Heart of Darkness and thought ‘cool! I should do that!’ when he came up with Tyrion’s plotline for ADWD?

  141. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Well, he is a brute as well as a dumb ass.

  142. Oberyn Wan Kenobi
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Looks aside, another reason he’s probably Styr is all of the actors whose roles were revealed, were already confirmed characters to be cast. Oberyn, Ellaria, and Mace, along with Styr… And they’ve revealed no one else.. According to this pattern, Styr would be a very likely choice for Joseph Gatt.

  143. Summer Is Coming
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m on the Styr boat! This guy looks odd, alien-looking, creepy, frightening and memorable. Conclusion: Perfect casting! Plus, as someone already said, there was that casting of 20 bald extras. That will make the Thenns memorable. So if people don’t remember his name, they will know him as the bald creepy wildling.

    This year the casting, although is small, is almost flawless (picture-wise). Ellaria, Styr, Oberyn. Only Mace really is very different from how I envisioned it.

  144. Red Helm
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Now that I know Joseph Gatt is cast in GoT, I can’t imagine Styr being played by any other guy(even Ned Dennehy, even tough he’s my dreamcast for any part). But what if he’s not Styr? Knowing that Aidan Gillen is in Iceland made me think, that maybe he plays someone from the Vale. Knowing what kind of creeps Mr Gatt tends to play, maybe he’s Lyn Corbray?

  145. Cary Storm
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Red Helm,

    As has been mentioned several times above, Rose Leslie (Ygritte) is in Iceland. So there are definitely some Wall storylines being set. So I’m going with the simplest choice, which is obviously Fake Arya

  146. Al Swearengen
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    Hahah best screen name ever!

  147. DragonPunch
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    He looks exactly like one of those Observer dudes from Fringe. Well if he were wearing a suit, I guess.

  148. Jen@House Stark
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    The role of Styr is needed soon, so there’s reasonable Speculation there. This
    actor also has me considering later events with Connington, but
    that’s probably too soon to include at this point in the season.

    Hear, hear, Wildwoman, I would love to see that part filled.

  149. guffetryne
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi,

    By that logic, he’s likely to not be Styr. What you’re saying is that all actors that have been cast and had their roles confirmed, were characters we already knew would be cast. Since they haven’t announced who Gatt is playing, it’s then less likely that he is Styr (following your pattern, he would have been announced as Styr). I don’t think that’s true. He’s probably Styr, but your argument for why is flawed.

  150. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    guffetryne,

    I think he/she means that we recieved confirmation a while ago that those roles (mace, viper, styr, ellaria) would be cast at all.

  151. Red Helm
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    No, they’re recasting Myrcella.

    Bravo, you made me laugh at my own ideas ;) .

  152. Oberyn Wan Kenobi
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    You understand me :)

  153. Lars
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Moët,

    It doesn’t rule out Mance or people in his story. Rose Leslie was confirmed to be filming in Iceland. People actually snapped pics of her on set, so it’s for sure.

    Yes, but she will presumably remain south of the wall for season 4. So the point remains – Only south-of-the wall scenes shot in Iceland this year.

  154. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm:
    Red Helm,

    As has been mentioned several times above, Rose Leslie (Ygritte) is in Iceland. So there are definitely some Wall storylines being set. So I’m going with the simplest choice, which is obviously Fake Arya

    Although I’d love to see that storyline in S4, I don’t think it can really happen until after Mance’s attack on the wall, which we’re assuming will be Ep 9.

  155. Corbray
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Doubtful, but perhaps a recast Ilyn Payne? Considering his involvement in Jaime Lannister’s story?

    But yeah, Styr seems to be obvious choice.

  156. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    I think the suggestions that he could be playing a Giant have merit, actually.

    Lars,

    Ygritte is part of the wildling army that attacks the Wall, the battle of Castle Black. Pretty important since she dies there. She won’t be spending all of season 4 south of the Wall, otherwise how would she be hooking back up with Mance’s people?

  157. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Wintertime Iceland represents the Frostfangs. There are parts north of the wall that aren’t covered in snow yet. They can also use fake snow for a light dusting so either summertime Iceland or NI works.

  158. Easteros bunny
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Wow! That’s a pretty big name! He was awesome in the dark knight rises.

    This will be the greatest season in the history of cinema tv ad pop culture!

  159. davidbc
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone considered Ygritte surviving and replacing Val in the story…

    Not necessarily as Mance’s wife, but just the role she plays in the later books.

    I’m only saying this because i recall D&D suggesting they may keep a character alive that dies in the books, and Ygritte is kind of a fan favorite… maybe.

  160. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Doubtful, but perhaps a recast Ilyn Payne? Considering his involvement in Jaime Lannister’s story?

    Nah, I reckon they’ll get Bronn to take Ilyn’s role in Jaime’s retraining. Bronn is too popular a character to just have his later exploits happen off-screen as they do in the books – so I’ll think they’ll use him instead of recasting Ilyn.

  161. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    davidbc:
    Has anyone considered Ygritte surviving and replacing Val in the story…


    Not necessarily as Mance’s wife, but just the role she plays in the later books.

    I’m only saying this because i recall D&D suggesting they may keep a character alive that dies in the books, and Ygritte is kind of a fan favorite… maybe.

    That’s been suggested by quite a few people, but I don’t think they’d shy away from killing Ygritte… They haven’t shied away from killing any other popular characters so far, plus it’s too important for Jon’s development.

  162. Aemon
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Easteros bunny:
    Wow! That’s a pretty big name! He was awesome in the dark knight rises.

    This will be the greatest season in the history of cinema tv ad pop culture!

    What?

  163. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Also, I was skimming over some thread on the westeros.org forums and found one from about 18 months ago that just said “If they include Styr, I hope they get Joseph Gatt.” So chalk it up to another fan-favourite casting ;)

  164. Olenna's Dietician
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Those must be Styr’s missing ears under Gatt’s t-shirt…

  165. Turncloak
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: That’s been suggested by quite a few people, but I don’t think they’d shy away from killing Ygritte… They haven’t shied away from killing any other popular characters so far, plus it’s too important for Jon’s development.

    If Ygritte lives I will seriously be dissapointed. I rather they remove the Val character than to eliminate one of the biggest moments in Jon’s season 4 arc. I also hope Shae gets killed by Tyrion like in the books

  166. Lars
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I think the suggestions that he could be playing a Giant have merit, actually.

    Lars,

    Ygritte is part of the wildling army that attacks the Wall, the battle of Castle Black. Pretty important since she dies there. She won’t be spending all of season 4 south of the Wall, otherwise how would she be hooking back up with Mance’s people?

    In the books, the battle of Castle Black (attack from the south, where Ygritte dies) takes place before the main battle for the wall (the attack from the north) – but they may combine the battles.

  167. Eleanor
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Anyone else instantly put in mind of Sagat from Streetfighter?

  168. Chickenduck
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Lars: In the books, the battle of Castle Black (attack from the south, where Ygritte dies) takes place before the main battle for the wall (the attack from the north) – but they may combine the battles.

    I think she’ll return back over north with Tormund. Basing this on Ciaran Hinds saying he’d shot a scene where he reacts to Tormund telling him the mission failed, but it was cut from S3.

    So maybe they won’t have an attack from the south at all, and Ygritte will just get killed in the siege etc.

  169. Rabid Bogling
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Doubtful, but perhaps a recast Ilyn Payne? Considering his involvement in Jaime Lannister’s story?

    Aye, that was my thinking, too. Styr or Ilyn, I’m sure he’ll be grand.

  170. WildSeed
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark: Hear, hear, Wildwoman, I would love to see that part filled.

    Patience, M’lady .

  171. Shk12344
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Nah, I reckon they’ll get Bronn to take Ilyn’s role in Jaime’s retraining.Bronn is too popular a character to just have his later exploits happen off-screen as they do in the books – so I’ll think they’ll use him instead of recasting Ilyn.

    Brilliant. It work perfectly, since Tyrion would be “busy” and won’t be needing Bronn’s service.

  172. loco73
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Wow! Interesting casting choice indeed. I didn’t even know he was a Brit!!! And born in Notting Hill to boot! I however sure do remember him from “Banshee “, that was one of the more vividly brutal scenes in recent memory…you really have to watch “Banshee” to know what I’m talking about! He was scary as fuck…holly crap!

    Other than that, all I can say is, welcome to the cast Mr. Gatt, and may you definitely not loose any body parts in GoT (that is in reference to “Banshee”)!

  173. Turncloak
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    So the other day I had a dream that TWOW was released next year right before season 4 started! How amazing would that be?

  174. House Snow
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 10:46 pm | Permalink

    IF he were actually with the KL crew I would agree illyn payne isn’t a bad guess.

    I’m surprised that there isn’t more talk about how ygrtte dies. I have no doubt it will happen, but the question is how it will happen. The way it happens in the book is somewhat lacking in drama, just finding her dead. I have to think they will spice it up somehow.

  175. Eleanor
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: Red Helm, As has been mentioned several times above, Rose Leslie (Ygritte) is in Iceland. So there are definitely some Wall storylines being set. So I’m going with the simplest choice, which is obviously Fake Arya

    It’s all so clear now!

  176. Lina
    Posted August 1, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    If this isn’t the Magnar of Thenn, I don’t know who is.

    The only other thing I can think of is if he’s playing some mysterious character that may be a replacement for Coldhands and an amalgamation of that character and Bloodraven. But if I remember correctly, Bran and co. are filming in Belfast, not Iceland, so that wouldn’t make sense.

    In any event, this guy looks otherworldy and is a fantastic aesthetic addition to the cast. It sounds strange to talk about another human being that way, and I mean no disrespect. I just love that this story has the space to embrace the casting of people that don’t resemble the typical Hollywood stereotypes, and the more diversity, the better I say.

  177. Eddard Stark II
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Who did he play in the Star Trek movie?

  178. Varamyr Fourskins
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    He’s got to be Styr, or a Styr-like character who fills the same basic role. I mean, c’mon. That’s Styr. For sure.

    Btw… don’t know if this has been mentioned, but his Wikipedia page says he has alopecia universalis, which would explain the lack of eyebrows. Definitely a distinct appearance… which is something everyone should respect. It goes to show how self-confident he is. It isn’t easy to put yourself out there like that.

  179. Butterbumps
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    He has alopecia, right?

  180. Chickenduck
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 1:23 am | Permalink

    Butterbumps:
    He has alopecia, right?

    Yep. Alopecia universalis.

  181. Lex
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    This guy! LOL, I thought he was really weird in Star Trek, mostly because he had glowing blue eyes and a strange effect on his voice. I was like, “What is this guy? An alien? An android??”

    Anyway, cool casting.

  182. Chris77
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Shaved Pate?

  183. Slabotage
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    I’m surprised no-one has suggested Strong Belwas. Have D & D declared that he’s been cut from the show?

  184. The B of B-town
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 2:35 am | Permalink

    I want to see Donay Noye and Styr going toe-to-toe in castle black

  185. The North Remembers
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 3:42 am | Permalink

    okay, I’m an unsullied here. Can someone give me a little background on Styr? Thanks in advance

  186. guffetryne
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Oberyn Wan Kenobi,

    Well, yes. But Joseph Gatt hasn’t really been announced. Pedro Pascal was revealed by EW, so was Indira Varma, and Roger Ashton-Griffiths was revealed by a Froggy casting clue. Those are official announcements. Here we have “The casting was discovered by WiC commenter The Rabbit, who spotted the announcement on the news page of Robert Kelly Associates, the actor’s agency. (The casting announcement has been deleted since the initial discovery.)” This completely contradicts the previous pattern of how these roles were announced.

    We have also learned that Mark Gatiss, a young boy and a young girl have been cast, but they haven’t been officially announced either, nor do we know who they are playing.

    Yes, we know that Styr is being cast, which is why I think this is Styr. But this “announcement” doesn’t fit the pattern of how the other known characters were announced, so that’s not an argument as to why.

    Hope I made myself clear.

  187. Ali
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    The North Remembers,

    Styr, the Magnar of Thenn, is a wildling leader. He is the leader of the Thenn. He allied himself with Mance Rayder when the Others came out of the North. He is a tall lean man with no ears. He is clean shaven, bald with a straight nose and grey eyes. He rules with an iron fist and commands absolute loyalty from his men.

  188. Lin Beifunk
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    Slabotage,

    GRRM said he’s cut.

  189. boze
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    guffetryne,

    Mark Gatiss was officially announced by EW.

  190. King DBC
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    Carice van Houten tweeted ‘Uh oh. I’m out.’ It’s probably got nothing to do with the show (god, I hope so) but it got me stressed for like 2 minutes.

    Maybe George told her something we don’t know yet…

  191. Hodoreo
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:43 am | Permalink

    LOTHOR BRUNE!

  192. Lou Reed
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    I think Styr is the best guess. But he could also be one of the Bloody Mummers, that both Brienne and Arya/Hound run into.

    Perhaps Shagwell the psychotic Jester. Didnt he talk about an awesome costume?

    I believe they have shot sommer scenes from Island for:

    the Crownlands (Brienne, the Hound, Arya),
    the Vale (Sansa, Littlefinger)
    the Gift (Ygritte, Styr?)

  193. jentario
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1307046069&feature=iv&index=13&list=PLD789F78F99814C3C&src_vid=_edUsEAd9Jw&v=k6Aj-Wu6UxE
    It seems Gendry will make it to season 4. He hinted at some solo Gendry scenes, which is interesting, and he did mention Gwendoline Christie. Hopefully it means they’ll get together since I can’t see him anywhere else.

  194. Jake Umber
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 8:55 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Ahh, wish I could watch this at work. Could you be a pal and sum up what he says? Or is what you already said basically it?

  195. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Slabotage:
    I’m surprised no-one has suggested Strong Belwas. Have D & D declared that he’s been cut from the show?

    GRRM at one point suggested he’s been cut, but Strong Belwas was a big thick guy all over – in the belly in particular. This guy is lean and muscled.

  196. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    King DBC:
    Carice van Houten tweeted ‘Uh oh. I’m out.’ It’s probably got nothing to do with the show (god, I hope so) but it got me stressed for like 2 minutes.

    Maybe George told her something we don’t know yet…

    Nah. She’s just a goof on Twitter. Or if it’s something from GRRM, well, valar morghulis.

  197. jentario
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Jake Umber:
    jentario,

    Ahh, wish I could watch this at work. Could you be a pal and sum up what he says? Or is what you already said basically it?

    Nothing too special, just some fun banter. Aside from what I said it doesn’t really say anything new.

  198. King DBC
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    Now solo scenes I just don’t get… I mean, with an already super sized cast every minute is precious time!

    GreatJon of Slumber,

  199. King DBC
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Yeah, valar dohaeris.

  200. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Carice is a goofball but I don’t think she’d reveal anything about the future of her character on Twitter. She is a professional, she never leaks anything important.

    GreatJon of Slumber: GRRM at one point suggested he’s been cut, but Strong Belwas was a big thick guy all over – in the belly in particular. This guy is lean and muscled.

    GRRM also confirmed that Strong Belwas is black, so I think it’s safe to eliminate him as a potential role for Gatt.

  201. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    guffetryne: We have also learned that Mark Gatiss, a young boy and a young girl have been cast, but they haven’t been officially announced either, nor do we know who they are playing.

    Actually, Direhound pointed out this out- a few days after our initial posting about Brenock O’Connor, his Spotlight CV was updated. It now shows that his role on the show is “Boy in Hamlet.” Very vague of course. So he’s some boy in a town that someone meets, so Arya or Brienne’s storyline I would assume. More likely Arya’s.

  202. Jentario
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Interesting.

  203. WompWomp
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Sh-Sh-Sharkman? HE’S ALIVE! 8D

  204. cantuse
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Is Belwas confirmed cut for the entire series? I very much want to see him being poisoned in ADWD. To it was just one of the many important elements that made the scene at the fighting pits memorable.

  205. Jentario
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    cantuse,

    He was confirmed to be cut from season 3, but his appearance in the show is still very unlikely. Belwas is just one of those characters that will come out bad on screen (as awesome as he is) and if there was a racial controversy around Pascal I can’t imagine how bad the one caused by Belwas would be. His role in the scene you mentioned can be replaced by a more mild character (like the Shavepate) and the story wouldnt hurt much from it. That said, Belwas always lets his them cut him once before he takes them down… We can hope ;)

  206. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    Also Mark Gatiss talked about it in an interview. And Cat Taylor on twitter confirmed it when she tweeted this https://twitter.com/CatonSet/statuses/357531365316640769

  207. Jaison Biagini
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    doesn’t iceland pretty much mean the wall and beyond?
    hope he gets to keep his penis. that was pretty gross in banshee.

  208. Cary Storm
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Jaison Biagini:
    doesn’t iceland pretty much mean the wall and beyond?
    hope he gets to keep his penis. that was pretty gross in banshee.

    No, since it’s summer there are going to be a variety of locales filmed here. Based on who is there, and what people have been wearing, we’re pretty certain that Riverlands and the Eyrie are being filmed there as well.

  209. Matt
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    I may be the only one to not notice the caracthers – or a few of them, at least – physical caractheristics. I had no idea what Styr looked like until I just googled him to look if he was indeed like Joseph and I gotta say, from what I’ve just seen, he looks a LOT like Styr. That’s great casting!

  210. Matt
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I’m sorry, but I have just read ASOS and I cant remember of any scene between Brienne and Pod. I see that her arriving with Jaime in King’s Landing happens in the end of Book 3 so it shouldn’t have happenned in the end of Season 3…?
    Is Season 4 also having book 4 scenes??

  211. guffetryne
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    I know. In absolutely no way did I mean to imply that there was doubt about Mark Gatiss’ casting. I didn’t group him with Oberyn and Ellaria because who he’s playing wasn’t announced. None of this changes my point.

  212. Kyrenna
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    I can very much believe he’d be cast for Styr.

    Thinking of longshot other possibilities, though: a Riverlands beggar religious guy.

    In the books, Arya and the Hound run into a beggar septon (or something, the Smith was involved…?) who used to be a commoner drafted into one army or the other. Later, we read about Brienne, who, in her search for the Stark daughters, reaches a monastery like island. A monastery of beggar brothers, where she spots one very tall brother. The ‘abbott’ of the monastery tells Brienne a few things about finding peace n such. If memory serves me right, he also tells her about Saltpans, which crushes Briennes hopes for ever finding Arya again. Or something. Point being: he serves a purpose in connecting two storylines together, and in talking about what being in a war, what doing a lot of killing, does to people. Sandor being a walking example of what he’s talking about, Arya listening to him but going off to Braavos anyways. Can you see that drama? Sandor and Arya being kinda popular amongst viewers…what else are they going to have them do?!

  213. Mormegil
    Posted August 2, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Matt: Is Season 4 also having book 4 scenes??

    Yes.

  214. Baramos
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    This guy played the creepiest albino (and there have been a lot of creepy albinos in movies and television) on Banshee I have ever seen. Can’t wait to see what role he plays in Game of Thrones.

  215. Arthur
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 2:05 am | Permalink

    ARE THE DRAGONS GOING TO GROW BIGGER IN SEASON 4!?!?!?

  216. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Kyrenna,

    I think you might have gotten things a bit mixed up there. I’m assuming the travelling beggar septon you mention, who refers to the Smith, is ‘Meribald’, but he never meets the Hound or Arya. He travels with Brienne and Pod for a while after they leave Maidenpool and takes them to the Quiet Isle, where they meet the Elder Brother who tells them about Saltpans. If you’re implying that Joseph Gatt may be playing that ‘one very tall brother’ at the Quiet Isle, then I think you may have missed the fact that that’s actually the Hound, not dead after all, starting a new life within the Faith.

  217. H. Stark
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    He posted in his facebook page, but he isn´t allowed yet to talk about it.

    https://www.facebook.com/actorjosephgatt

  218. The North Remembers
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Ali,

    Thanks a lot. Really excited for season 4. Cannot wait to see it, and especially the fuss over The Red Viper casting. Haven’t read the books at all but I can tell he may be as popular among The Sullied as Tyrion himself.

  219. Joakim
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 6:14 am | Permalink

    Hard nipples are hard.

  220. olive
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    this guy is so creepy looking I love it

  221. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    he has a strange enough look to play a warlock of Qarth for Dany’s story, as they’ve locked Ducksauce in a vault. I dunno. Probably a long shot, since they might want someone less muscular for that group. Could be a shavepate? If they decide to make an albino one to help the uh..less attentive ones who remember characters by their descriptions.

  222. boze
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    He already filmed two episodes in Iceland. Emilia Clarke won’t begin filming until September, if I remember it right.

  223. ThousandEyesAnd1
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Ok allow me to go completely off topic, I saw that documentary about the old lady and how they tried to make it look like it was an actual legit lawsuit, and guess what….its still a bullshit lawsuit. Am I suppose to look at a picture of her leg and see how bad the burn looks and change my mind? all I think to myself is “Uhhh yeah, thats what a coffee burn looks like” still doesn’t mean you have the right to sue. People like that is the reason we have politicians shoving tort reform in our face.

    Thats all.

    GreatJon of Slumber: hey should have found an actor with no ears. That’s why I kind of see the additional mocking as equally silly, and just addressing it as pointless. That said, seeing as where we’ve gone in this convo, I’ve only made it worse, although thankfully we’re not yelling at each other or threatening to demand explanations from GRRM. :)

  224. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    I was beginning to think I was the only person who typed “Ducksauce”.

  225. Jentario
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor:
    haltwhogoesthere,

    I was beginning to think I was the only person who typed “Ducksauce”.

    Zorro Zohan Ducksausce.

  226. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted August 3, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Zorro Zohan Ducksausce.

    Yes! Precisely! Oh man, the number of times I’ve said that out loud and just giggled. Positively giggled.

    Thankfully most of my friends understand. Most of them.

  227. fiu
    Posted August 4, 2013 at 3:09 am | Permalink

    For me he looks like I imagine Biter in mz mind.

  228. GG
    Posted August 4, 2013 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    I don’t think anyone on GoT should have that kind of physique. It’s just not logical that someone could get in that kind of shape in that kind of world.

  229. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 4, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    GG,

    People were able to work out and build muscle before they invented gyms. I’m sure they can manage it in Westeros.

    And I haven’t seen anyone complain about the women in Thrones being too fit. The female bodies aren’t all that realistic, so let’s enjoy not quibble about an (amazing) unrealistic male body. :)

  230. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted August 4, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Hey, I bet Gendry could have looked like that if he kept swinging his arms for another eight years.

  231. Ser Sleez
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    That is a creepy looking dude

  232. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: GRRM also confirmed that Strong Belwas is black, so I think it’s safe to eliminate him as a potential role for Gatt.

    Yeah, that too. To me Belwas can easily be added as a small part if needed.

  233. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Kyrenna:
    I can very much believe he’d be cast for Styr.

    Thinking of longshot other possibilities, though: a Riverlands beggar religious guy.

    In the books, Arya and the Hound run into a beggar septon (or something, the Smith was involved…?) who used to be a commoner drafted into one army or the other. Later, we read about Brienne, who, in her search for the Stark daughters, reaches a monastery like island. A monastery of beggar brothers, where she spots one very tall brother. The ‘abbott’ of the monastery tells Brienne a few things about finding peace n such. If memory serves me right, he also tells her about Saltpans, which crushes Briennes hopes for ever finding Arya again. Or something. Point being: he serves a purpose in connecting two storylines together, and in talking about what being in a war, what doing a lot of killing, does to people. Sandor being a walking example of what he’s talking about, Arya listening to him but going off to Braavos anyways. Can you see that drama? Sandor and Arya being kinda popular amongst viewers…what else are they going to have them do?!


    You could argue that Septon Meribald and Elder Brother could be combined, and having him meet both Arya and Brienne, and giving Elder Brother the responsibility of wandering the villages to act as a Septon before returning to the Quiet Isle, like “making his rounds,” as it were. Then you get 4 or so episodes out of that character, and it becomes a nice, interesting tertiary character, especially if cast well, like with Ian McDiarmid or something.

  234. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    ThousandEyesAnd1:
    Ok allow me to go completely off topic,I saw that documentary about the old lady and how they tried to make it look like it was an actual legit lawsuit, and guess what….its still a bullshit lawsuit. Am I suppose to look at a picture of her leg and see how bad the burn looks and change my mind? all I think to myself is “Uhhh yeah, thats what a coffee burn looks like” still doesn’t mean you have the right to sue. People like that is the reason we have politicians shoving tort reform in our face.

    Thats all.

    Off topic, but I don’t agree. She received third-degree burns through her clothing because McDonald’s was heating its coffee to very high temperatures, and they’d been warned about it before.

  235. Jay
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    No, I’m with GG here. It is a minor quibble, but nevertheless it’s a valid point for a discussion.

    The female bodies are all “realistic”; no silicone, no over-developed muscle regions.

    There would be scope for someone like Gendry having a body like that (i.e, fairly toned but still quite lithe), and also bodies like that of Khal Drogo at a push (big and bulky, but still in keeping with the natural shape – I would argue the physique Jason Mamoa then went on to create in Conan would have been “unrealistic”). But Joseph Gatt is sporting a sculpted physique in the shot above, which would require gym equipment; simple as.

    “Working out” in a medieval type period would have been due to natural day-to-day activities. If we’re being ultra picky, the pectoral regions would likely be the least developed as they are not worked at all really for manual activity. I can see how the legs and back would be used and therefore the biceps (for picking things up and lugging them around), and perhaps even the deltoids.

    Yes, it’s all completely pedantic and I’m not really fussed about it in a casting context, but I just wanted to contribute to the discussion as I always find physicality in period dramas fascinating (and on the whole I would say GoTs is more accurate, especially when compared to Spartacus).

  236. Rhys
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Jay,

    Every woman shown naked in the show has had Brazilian waxes. No women have body hair at all. You do have to wonder how wildling Ygritte found the means to wax her underarms.

    Everyone on the show has perfect (or near enough) teeth.

    These aren’t things worth worrying about.

  237. Jay
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    Rhys,

    That’s true. :) I was really referring to physiques specifically, though.

    And, in fairness, I’m not “worrying” – it was a discussion. I’m not even criticising. It was a hypothetical consideration; totally aware it’s not practical.

  238. Jay
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    I was just thinking even further along the lines of authenticity and was thinking, “wouldn’t it be cool if it had been made totally realistically for the time period. Messed up teeth, scruffy private areas, etc.

    Then I realised why this wouldn’t work. The characters whom are considered good looking by the characters in the universe, wouldn’t be good looking to us now, therefore you can’t relate in the same way. For instance, being over-weight and pale was considered attractive in the olden days.

    Just thinking aloud really. Probably not the place for it!

  239. Song of Ice & Scotch
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Has filming moved back to Northern Ireland for the time being? Do we know who’s on set?

  240. princess val
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Jay,

    I see what you’re saying, but I have to disagree about all the female bodies being realistic – thinking specifically of seeing Ygritte and Osha naked – they both had awfully defined muscles in their abdominal regions, probably because both actresses do a fair amount of aerobics/crunches. Not sure how Wildling women would achieve the same look.

    But yes, minor quibble. And I agree with you, that really the on-screen characters who are supposed to be attractive/appealing need to be attractive to the viewers, for the story to make sense as a visual presentation.

    It would hardly make sense to say to Rose Leslie “oh you’re perfect for Ygritte, but we can’t hire you because you have six-pack abs. Sorry!” So then it is equally okay for Joseph Gatt to have amazing pecs. Everybody wins, really.

  241. Jay
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    princess val,

    Yeah I agree. I didn’t really have a point to be honest. I wasn’t really on either side of a fence. Haha. I just find it a sort of interesting discussion point.

  242. Seonaidh Ceanneidigh
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Jay:
    I was just thinking even further along the lines of authenticity and was thinking, “wouldn’t it be cool if it had been made totally realistically for the time period. Messed up teeth, scruffy private areas, etc.

    Then I realised why this wouldn’t work. The characters whom are considered good looking by the characters in the universe, wouldn’t be good looking to us now, therefore you can’t relate in the same way. For instance, being over-weight and pale was considered attractive in the olden days.

    Just thinking aloud really. Probably not the place for it!

    Not only that, but have you seen Daniel Day-Lewis at the end of The Crucible? His teeth are yellow and scummy due to not being brushed in a week or two… I couldn’t concentrate on his performance for looking at them.

  243. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Jay: But Joseph Gatt is sporting a sculpted physique in the shot above, which would require gym equipment; simple as.

    True on this. However, Gatt, if he is playing Styr, is going to be buried under layers of clothing – so it won’t matter.

  244. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Seonaidh Ceanneidigh: Not only that, but have you seen Daniel Day-Lewis at the end of The Crucible? His teeth are yellow and scummy due to not being brushed in a week or two… I couldn’t concentrate on his performance for looking at them.

    Yeah…but Daniel Day Lewis is a freak in terms of devotion to the craft.

  245. princess val
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Jay,

    It is an interesting discussion point! Especially for me b/c I love talking about how costuming and hair/makeup and set design and all that contribute to characterization and storytelling.

    It’s interesting to debate how much “authenticity” needs to be achieved by the actors themselves for the performance to be believable/enjoyable. It’s probably mostly personal preference, but I’m happy to have gaps filled in by hair/makeup/costumes as well as my own imagination. For example I don’t need to see Daniel Day Lewis’ yellow teeth to appreciate his character; but then maybe DDL needs his teeth to be dirty in order to GET into character? On the other hand it was a bit jarring to see Osha totally waxed clean while she was seducing Theon, but did it ruin the scene or take away from the moment? Not really, not for me anyway. Would it have been worth the extra production time to wait for Natalie Tena’s pubic hair to grow back (I can’t believe I just wrote that sentence)? Probably not.

    Although now that I think on it, I think I remember reading that the HBO people asked her to wax…

  246. rob
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Josh Parker,

    pretty sure they can digitize away his ears like they did Voldemort’s nose

  247. rob
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Matt,

    The Brienne/Pod “team-up” is in ‘A feast For Crows’

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