Rumors and reports: countdown to Croatia
By Ours is the Fury on in Production, Rumors, Speculation.

Location filming for season four begins in Croatia in just two weeks and preparations are well under way.

Sources report that there is a casting call out in the Split area for four female actresses to appear in a scene with Daenerys. The casting call is seeking two women willing to appear nude (along with Emilia Clarke) in this scene. The specific shooting location would either be Diocletian’s Palace or the Klis fortress, and would be one day’s worth of filming, according to the report.

Hotel BelvedereIn other location news, additional photos have surfaced of the previously discussed Hotel Belvedere in Dubrovnik that will serve as a set for season four. The blog EnglishmanInDubrovnik has several new pictures of the hotel set. The outdoor café area has been converted into what appears to be an amphitheater, and the dais in the first row has been painted red. The intended purpose for the location is unconfirmed but many believe it to be the setting for a major King’s Landing event in season four.

Here’s a bonus bit of news to speculate on: according to his CV, Luke Barnes will be returning in season 4 to role of Rast. The Night’s Watchman was last seen in episode 4 of season 3, in the mutiny at Craster’s Keep. Rast being present at the mutiny was a departure from the books, so his role in season 4 is anyone’s guess. But given that he was seen killing Lord Commander Mormont, he isn’t likely to be heading back to the Wall.

Ours is the Fury: The casting call with Daenerys in Split, requiring that many women, makes me wonder if it’s another bathing scene. There will likely be more set reports coming out of Dubrovnik over the next few weeks, so this will be an interesting time leading up to filming.


233 Comments

  1. J
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Rast gonna run into Bran and Coldhands?

  2. Martell Magic
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    HODOR

  3. Kevin
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    so Emilia Clarke will apparently go nude again in season 4. where do all these rumors come from about her demanding a no-nudity provision in her contract?

  4. mariamb
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Croatia is absolutely beautiful! Just breathtaking!

    Love the additional scenes of the amphitheater. Gotta be for the duel between Oberyn and Gregor.

    As far as Rast, since we need more Bran-related events, I think that they will meet. Key question is whether or not Burn Gorman will reappear as well.

  5. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Yeah Im pretty sure that Rast will be running into Bran in Season 4. This could be what leads to the introduction of Coldhands coming to the aid of Bran. I wonder if Burn Gorman will return too?

  6. Roopert
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    An ampitheatre, eh? Would love to see the call sheet for that scene ;-)

  7. Sunny
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Rast is Coldhands confirmed?

  8. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Glad to hear that Rast is back. He could add some welcome spice to Bran’s storyline.

    The amphitheatre looks pretty good.

  9. rob
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Posted August 5, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I would assume the nudity is for a scene where Dany gets with one of her bed maids. I was hoping they would film that. and Emilia could stay covered for that scene easily. Ampitheatre is almost cetainly for the duel between the Red Viper and The Mountain but i suppose it could serve as the site of the Purple Wedding. I love this!!! lol

  10. Jared
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    “The casting call with Daenerys in Split, requiring that many women, makes me wonder if it’s another bathing scene.”

    Let’s hope. Give the people what they want, D&D, and they will love you for it. I know I will.

    As a bonus, if this speculation does end up holding true, then I think we can finally kill that “Emilia Clarke has a no-nudity clause” argument that’s been swirling around the Internet forever and a day. At this point, it seems far more likely that if such a clause ever existed, it was for Esme Bianco. Whether or not that contributed to Ros’s unfortunate demise is another matter entirely.

    Regarding Rast, I think it’s pretty certain that he and the other Night’s Watch mutineers will be running into Bran in Season 4. The only question is whether they’ll already be Wights, or if they’ll show up alive at first and subsequently be killed by Coldhands. I think that the latter option is far more likely. It would be a good way to introduce an important new character, and provide definitive closure on the mutiny storyline. It’s also far from certain that new viewers would recognize Rast if all he’s doing is wearing makeup and shambling around like a mindless zombie. There’s no need to pay a recognizable and established actor to play a wight when such a task is something that any extra could do.

  11. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Oh dear, more pointless nudity…

    I’m so excited for Red Viper vs The Mountain, thou!

  12. azad injejikian
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Rast Wighted? Or perhaps the NW at craster’s will be hostages of Mance. Still dunno the fate of Dolorous Edd and Grenn.

  13. Rygar
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Its the only time Seth sees her naked.

    Kevin:
    so Emilia Clarke will apparently go nude again in season 4.where do all these rumors come from about her demanding a no-nudity provision in her contract?

  14. Kalam
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Has there been any news about filming in Northern Ireland? I haven’t heard anything about any of the cast being there and am wondering when some of the actors are going to start filming

    I haven’t heard anything at all about Isaac H. Wright but im expecting him to have a small amount of screen time next season. But, I cant see Maisie getting less time so I was wondering if Maisie Williams and Rory McCann are shooting there at some point (she just finished in Iceland but obviously cant be done filming after just three weeks) and Im wondering if Rory McCann is filming in another country with her or if he filmed his final scenes in Iceland?

  15. Navix
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Pointless? Emilia Clarke is in it and that is far from pointless.

  16. Phalange
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Bathing scene? “The royal titties are clean, Your Highness”.

  17. Rygar
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    I am going to work on my tuck, a la Buffalo Bill Silence of the Lambs style (I’d fuck me), and hope that I pass my audition for that scene.

  18. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Two of Emilia Clarke’s nude scenes have involved baths. It seems to be a go-to point for them when they want to get her naked without sex involved.

    As for the sex-with-handmaids idea, I’d think they would not cast locally for that. These are extras they’re casting, not for people for love scenes.

    Yes, some people have been in N. Ireland- for example there was that photo of Pedro Pascal and others in Belfast. But no big surprises.

  19. King DBC
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Is the Emilia and two ladies naked thing a new scene? Or was there something like that in the book? I’m really not complaining, Emilia has got a fine body and all those ‘rumors’ about her refusing nude scenes piss me off. Remember Oona Chaplin said that an actress on the show wanted no more nude scenes? I think that could’ve been Esme Bianco. Think about it… Every scene she was in prior to S3 she was basically nude. S3 not once, so they offed her, because they need a whore, nothing more!

  20. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    J,

    My first thoughts too.

    Not going to lie though, I got excited at that one sentence with the nude women along with Daenerys. Now get Missandei involved and we can make all Men’s year :)

    The set looks epic, I imagine the Judges will be sitting in the red area and other nobles in the stands behind that. Can’t wait for KL this year, should be amazing!

  21. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Ampitheater makes me gleeful.

  22. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    They need some male eye candy. I would accept more NCW or another Loras scene.

  23. Lars
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    The amphitheater will probably be the setting for either:
    A) The trial
    or
    B) The duel

    It could work for either… (or both).

  24. Carne
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    If Rast is back then I really hope Burn Gorman is as well!

    Don’t hope they show up as wights. That would be a waste of talent. If anything, have them corner Bran & Co, and just as they’re about to kill them, Coldhands shows up to save the day.

  25. Doug
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    The more Emilia Clarke nude scenes, the better if you ask me.

  26. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Jared: The only question is whether they’ll already be Wights, or if they’ll show up alive at first and subsequently be killed by Coldhands. I think that the latter option is far more likely.

    Yes, interesting thoughts. I’d imagine they’d run into starving mutineers, including Rast…

  27. Cosca
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    What, no love for Hodor or Alfie?

  28. Jack
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Lesbian orgy scene!

    One can hope.

  29. bleh
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    she’s not dating Seth anymore, pretty sure it’s James Franco now. enjoy!

  30. Ser Endrew Tarth
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    I would say that D&D turning the scene where Daario presents the heads to Dany into a bathing scene featuring full frontal is the epitomy of the word: gratuitous.

    I mean I wanna see Emilia Clarke naked as much as any red blooded male, but I figured the “nude clause” was added after last season to curb any further changes like this. The book version of that scene is much better as the dragons jump down, roast and take a bite of the heads as well.

    In the book the sex services the story, but in the show you get a feeling that some adolescent is behind the camera saying “hee hee, boobies!”

    I agree that the scene alluded to is most likely Dany getting over her “frustrations” of being attracted to Daario, with the help of a handmaiden. May come after Jorah’s failed kiss attempt (if featured).

  31. Josla
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    I’m getting tired of all the female nudity vs no male nudity in the show. We haven’t have a naked male character since season one. Not that I really want to see it but if theres going to be naked women there should be as many men as well. We women also watch the show you know D&D?

  32. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    There was a naked guy and quite a few naked male bums in Season 3, the dude playing “Hide the pork sausage” in episode 6 I believe…

  33. Easteros bunny
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Kevin,

    I believe the actress that played ros was the one that didn’t want to do anymore nude scenes. It could not have been dany, she had a nude scene in season 3.

  34. Josla
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden:
    Oh dear, more pointless nudity…

    I’m so excited for Red Viper vs The Mountain, thou!

    I agree and I hope that is not a lesbo scene involving Daeneris, that’d be very hard for me to watch. I’m not holding my breath though.

  35. Alvis
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    bleh,

    Apparently that was false, but who knows…

  36. Cosca
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    Surely you watched Kissed By Fire? We had Loras, Jaime and some squire in that episode.

  37. Josla
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Cosca: Josla,

    Surely you watched Kissed By Fire? We had Loras, Jaime and some squire in that episode.

    I don’t think they were nude, were they?

  38. Kalam
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Josla,

    So penis = boobs?

  39. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Ser Endrew Tarth:
    I would say that D&D turning the scene where Daario presents the heads to Dany into a bathing scene featuring full frontal is the epitomy of the word: gratuitous.

    I mean I wanna see Emilia Clarke naked as much as any red blooded male, but I figured the “nude clause” was added after last season to curb any further changes like this.The book version of that scene is much better as the dragons jump down, roast and take a bite of the heads as well.

    In the book the sex services the story, but in the show you get a feeling that some adolescent is behind the camera saying “hee hee, boobies!”

    I agree that the scene alluded to is most likely Dany getting over her “frustrations” of being attracted to Daario, with the help of a handmaiden.May come after Jorah’s failed kiss attempt (if featured).

    This! Hell, I’m a straight female and I quite enjoy Emilia Clarke’s nude scenes, but only if it’s plot relevant and tasteful (see the birth of the dragons scene).

    http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones – this is the adolescent and he really does look like a not-too-exaggerated version of D&D.

  40. Lya
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m sure they wouldn’t ask poor extras to do a scene like THAT, it’s not like they pay them much anyway. And they usually use porn actresses for those scenes, so I guess it’s either a bath scene or… well, some whatever scene involving nude women, God knows we have enough of those….

  41. Lars
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden: http://gawker.com/5902076/snl-explains-the-nudity-in-game-of-thrones – this is the adolescent and he really does look like a not-too-exaggerated version of D&D.

    Wow, you must be the first person EVER to post a link here to that SNL video! Congratulations.

  42. Lars
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Ser Endrew Tarth: In the book the sex services the story, but in the show you get a feeling that some adolescent is behind the camera saying “hee hee, boobies!”

    Really? You sure about that? You might want to read the books closer. GRRM has no problem turning up the titillation factor.

    Why else do you think so many fans seem to look forward to the ‘lesbian’ scenes of the books, even though they serve little plot use. (as descriptive as they are)

  43. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    1)Is just that one segment painted red? If so, sure does look like a prime seating area for three judges watch a trial by combat…

    2)I’m sorry people who want equal opportunity gender nudity. I ‘ve said it before, but women are more comfortable with seeing other women naked than men are with seeing other men naked. For this reason, they will never have as much male nudity. In addition to that, from my experience, nudity is more likely to draw and keep male attention than female attention in television. Usually when bodies are mentioned as a reason to watch the show, its a guy talking about the boobs. I’ve never heard of a woman telling her friend “oh my gosh you have to watch game of thrones, there are sometimes dicks and guy butts!” At the same time, you’re more likely to hear a guy say “They keep showing dicks, I don’t want to watch anymore” than to hear a woman say “All the breasts this season really made me uncomfortable. I don’t know if I want to watch anymore.” It’s simply more profitable for them to appeal to straight male sexual desires. So that is what they will (continue to) do. Is that right or okay? That’s a different matter. But that’s the way I think they consider it.

  44. King DBC
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Ser Endrew Tarth,

    Whaa? I liked that scene. Daario walked in there as if he were in charge. Like he thought Daenerys is vulnerable, naked and would shy and hide from him in her tub. That shifted when she didn’t give a fuck and stood up in front of him, fully naked. She exerted a lot of power over him. Which is actually deceiving, because we know Dany is like a little bitch for him…

  45. King DBC
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Hey, don’t be a dick.

  46. Jack
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    J:
    Rast gonna run into Bran and Coldhands?

    It’ll be a feast.

  47. Rygar
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    bleh:
    Rygar,

    she’s not dating Seth anymore, pretty sure it’s James Franco now. enjoy!

    Correct. So then he would have no other way to see her naked.

  48. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    King DBC:
    Is the Emilia and two ladies naked thing a new scene? Or was there something like that in the book? I’m really not complaining, Emilia has got a fine body and all those ‘rumors’ about her refusing nude scenes piss me off. Remember Oona Chaplin said that an actress on the show wanted no more nude scenes? I think that could’ve been Esme Bianco. Think about it… Every scene she was in prior to S3 she was basically nude. S3 not once, so they offed her, because they need a whore, nothing more!

    You know that Esme only had one brief scene where she was nude in all of season two, right (and it was her last scene of the season; the one with Varys)? So your reasoning is a bit off, I’d say. More likely is that her character had served her purpose for the story-telling needs of the TV show, and coming up with new ways to keep her involved in the plot line was no longer feasible. I think her entire arc goes a long way towards emphasizing how little power some of the people in this world have, and what can happen to you (good or bad) when the people who actually hold power take an interest in you (or vice versa).

  49. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Well, I haven’t been here that long, so I wouldn’t know about that, but it’s always nice to be congratulated.

    Lya:
    I’m sure they wouldn’t ask poor extras to do a scene like THAT, it’s not like they pay them much anyway. And they usually use porn actresses for those scenes, so I guess it’s either a bath scene or… well, some whatever scene involving nude women, God knows we have enough of those….

    They use porn actresses? I didn’t know that.

  50. Lya
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Yeah, I’m pretty sure they used them couple of times, especially in those raunchier scenes… Or professional actresses like the Ramsay girls, but I really really doubt they would use extras for that, poor girls….

  51. Rygar
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    Bronns whore in S2 at the bar before his altercation with Sandor is a porn actress.

  52. Rygar
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Well said. Couldn’t agree more.

  53. Arthur
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Ser Endrew Tarth,

    I actually thought the season 3 Dany bath scene was extremely powerful and not gratuitous at all…

    It was a huge contrast from the submissive Dany bath scene in season 1 to the confident badass Dany of season 3.

    Yes Emilia is a beautiful all natural woman but I was more impressed by her acting in that season 3 bath scene. She just stood up in all her nude glory and owned Daario.

    I hated Ros scenes and am the first to complain about gratuitous sex scenes (Theon) but I don’t think Dany’s nude scenes have been gratuitous in any way so far in the whole series.

    IMO all Dany’s nude scenes to date were well done and explained things about what her character was going through and what her psychological state was.

    From submissive Dany (Bath scene and Drogo 1st sex scene) to growing and learning Dany (seducing Drogo to connect affection and love with the act of sex). To Dany being reborn in the nude with her dragons, to Dany coming out of a tub with absolute confidence.

    I hope this next season 4 nude scene also has an important meaning behind it like all the others have and I’m sure it will. This is Dany we are talking about, not a character from a brothel…

  54. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    1)Is just that one segment painted red? If so, sure does look like a prime seating area for three judges watch a trial by combat…

    2)I’m sorry people who want equal opportunity gender nudity. I ‘ve said it before, but women are more comfortable with seeing other women naked than men are with seeing other men naked. For this reason, they will never have as much male nudity. In addition to that, from my experience, nudity is more likely to draw and keep male attention than female attention in television. Usually when bodies are mentioned as a reason to watch the show, its a guy talking about the boobs. I’ve never heard of a woman telling her friend “oh my gosh you have to watch game of thrones, there are sometimes dicks and guy butts!”At the same time, you’re more likely to hear a guy say “They keep showing dicks, I don’t want to watch anymore” than to hear a woman say “All the breasts this season really made me uncomfortable. I don’t know if I want to watch anymore.” It’s simply more profitable for them to appeal to straight male sexual desires. So that is what they will (continue to) do. Is that right or okay? That’s a different matter. But that’s the way I think they consider it.

    I saw Wild Things in the theater. The horrified reactions of the men in the theater to Kevin Bacon’s penis were beyond OTT. I just don’t understand how seeing a body part could be so traumatizing. We all have genitals and people need to grow up.

    What I was trying to say is, it’s a fair point. Personally I’m fine with shirtlessness and butts of attractive men anyway.

  55. JP Dayne
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    My sweet summer child, don’t be so naive. We will never have either dany’s or cersei’s hot lesbian action. Deal with it.

  56. Atomix
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Damn JP Dayne is a negative nelly. We will have BOTH! of those spoilers.

  57. Arthur
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    I can’t wait to see Cersei’s nude walk of shame. I hope Lena is up for it and I hope D&D have her walk through some real horse shit… (With a cleaning hose ready to wash her feet off of course lol).

    How fun would that commentary be!

    “Yes that’s real horse poop… D&D thought it would add real authenticy. As you can see, my facial expressions of disgust were most definitely real…”

  58. Turncloak
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden: Oh dear, more pointless nudity…

    I’m so excited for Red Viper vs The Mountain, thou!

    That’s a bad thing?

  59. Dayo
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink
  60. sunspear
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Hey, what happened to GOO?

  61. Scales On Blackfish
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    In the very beginning of season 3, I thought Ros would serve the role of Ser Dontos for Littlefinger in getting Sansa out of King’s Landing after the PW. I thought throughout season 3, we’d see Ros gaining Sansa’s trust, only to have Littlefinger put a bolt through her when Sansa boarded his ship. But obviously Joffrey and D&D had other plans for Ros…

  62. Nanuk
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    About the casting call, could they be Some graces of mereen cleaning Danny and dressing her in a tokar in a coronation ceremony? That could be a great visual representation of her acceptance of mereenese traditions, instead of the floppy ears dialog.

  63. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    Actually I find people thinking equal opportunity nudity is unrealistic maybe are a little naive themselves. HBO is quite the trailblazer is the male nudity department (such fond memories of “Oz” and “Rome”) so it’s not like it would be a new thing if an HBO program would now show full frontal male nudity. And if they showed a lot more male butt on the show, straight men wouldn’t run from GoT. Spartacus had loads of male nudity and it was a hugely popular show. I think people would be more much less annoyed with the excessive female nudity on GoT if it were more equal-handed. I would, frankly. I don’t mind nudity at all, but the unequal distribution of it is what bothers me. I like sex scenes and nudity, I just want fairness.

  64. Arthur
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Nanuk,

    That’s right!!! I remember that now… Good call!

  65. JamesL
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    GoT has the most prudish fans of any premium cable show. They have already toned the sex/nudity down a lot since S1 but apparently the prudes won’t be happy until they completely eliminate it from the show. Why does every scene that has someone naked have to advance the plot? There are always tons of scenes each season that do not advanced the plot but only if someone is naked it becomes an issue. And LOL at the person who suggested that GRRMs constant graphic sex scenes are not gratuitous and somehow necessary for the story. I can understand complaining if they were adding gratuitous graphic porn scenes like Littlefingers brothel in S1, but complaining just because there is going to be a nude scene is ridiculous. I hope D&D releazie the nerds who complain about this stuff on sites like this and Westeros.org are not a reflection of the general HBO audiences views on this stuff.

  66. Arthur
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    If D&D cast the actor who played Crixus (Manu Bennett) as Khal Jhaqo, your wish of fairness will come true… Lol. Though this will be many years from now…

    I remember every 3 episodes in Spartacus that guy would be walking around showing full frontal…

  67. Chickenduck
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Josla: I don’t think they were nude, were they?

    The squire had some full-frontal nudity. NCW was from behind. With Loras, I think was implied nudity, but you didn’t directly see anything.

  68. Arthur
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I agree with you partially…

    I think most fans on here just don’t want to see GoT turn into another True Blood, where the emphasis and the payoffs seem to be Sookie sleeping with a different supernatural character every season. Or just having a bunch of beautiful female and male actors getting naked… If you want that, watch True Blood because they got the nudity scenes on queue a few times every episode.

    I do understand what you’re saying though. I have never been offended by nudity or sex acts at all. My complaint was that the show time should be used more wisely. I didn’t like the Pod brothel scene or Theon torture scene not because I was offended I just thought the time could have been better spent elsewhere.

    While at the same time I do understand a needed break of comic relief or pure sexy nudity every so often and that Pod scene was a clever way of doing both.

    I guess it’s a fine line D&D have to learn to tread. I think every season they are getting better at it.

    Also, I think GoT Sunday viewing gatherings are much more common then other shows. So sex scenes (like that Theon one) are a little uncomfortable to watch with your aunt sitting next to you…

    I much rather see a clever dialog between Tyrion and Bronn or a verbal battle between Cers and Marg or The Reeds teaching Bran more about Worging or countless other things then tits and ass… But that’s just me…..

  69. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    How are they naive? From what I hear of Spartacus, the reason it didn’t detract from the male audience is because they also had heaping amounts of violence. It’s the only thing that will outweigh seeing another guys body, for some reason. Game of Thrones has the occasional fight/action, but it’s always been mostly people talking to each other. So maybe it did work for Spartacus, but they aren’t the same show. Your typical American straight male is not going to stick around for very long if they keep seeing other men naked but little violence or action. As I have extensive exposure to men in addition to being one myself, I think I can say this. Though this falls apart if I have received inaccurate descriptions of Spartacus. Either way, “naive” is probably an inaccurate word to use. Just look at what WeirwoodTreeHugger says was the male reaction to seeing a guy’s penis in a movie. Hell, I know several people who were needlessly uncomfortable just watching Littlefinger’s spy and Loras last season. Unless they’re confident that viewership will not take a hit, they won’t increase the male nudity. Whether any of this is right or fair or whatever, I’m not commenting on. But if the recent influx of movie remakes/comic adaptations are indicative of anything, it’s that executives don’t like risks. Maybe they did at some point, but not right now. And it is a risk. The numbers for Spartacus is one example. Personal experience and past successes will tell execs that female sex sells, but male sex alienates. Perhaps I just have a pessimistic view of my gender, though.

  70. Andrija Andrew
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Lya:
    I’m sure they wouldn’t ask poor extras to do a scene like THAT, it’s not like they pay them much anyway. And they usually use porn actresses for those scenes, so I guess it’s either a bath scene or… well, some whatever scene involving nude women, God knows we have enough of those….

    Well the casting guy said that they would be paid VERY well for only one day of filming but I think that a bigger problem will be finding any girl willing to do it, Croatian girls won’t be flocking to show their goods on tv, I can tell you that much… They are looking for 4 girls, two of them would have to do a semi-nude scene so maybe they’ll be able find a few willing to do that, but as far as full nudity goes I wouldn’t get my hopes up if I were them :)

  71. Timdorion
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Rast could also run into Osha+Rickon (assuming he found a way through the Wall, wich would require a bit of explaining). It’s a possibility because Bran&co already have a storyline ready for them. It could be enough to fill Brans season without the need of Rast adding to it. Osha+Rickon on the other hand will need some extra story if they are to be featured in this season.

  72. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 5, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Regarding the nudity debate:
    I personally don’t mind nudity or sex scenes in shows, regardless of the gender of the characters involved. What I don’t like is nudity for the sake of nudity. Examples of scenes I didn’t like:
    Littlefinger monologue with two women going at it in the background
    Bronn and Lannister men preparing battle and there is a naked whore there because why not
    Episode 12 (worst episode of the series by far).

    Overall I thought Emilia’s nude scene in season 3 was one of the most tasteful nude scenes in the show thus far. As long as the nudity is tasteful and justifiable I don’t mind it. (Just for the record, I am a Christian male, so that is the context for this post).

    As for the other stuff in the post:
    I can’t think of any time when Daenerys would be in a place resembling a palace or fortress this season unless it is after she takes Meereen.

    As for Rast: I believe he will almost certainly show up in Bran’s storyline, possibly as a way of introducing Coldhands as an ally to Bran.

  73. JamesL
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Other than the Pod brothel scene none of the scenes with nudity in s3 were there just to show nudity, they were just scenes that happen to include nudity. Did Dany have to be naked in the bath for her scene? No, but she’s hot and looks good so who cares. Does everyone need to be drinking wine in their scenes all the time? These scenes would work fine without them drinking wine. It’s all gratuitous wine drinking but of course no complains because no has hang ups about people drinking wine like they do nudity. The male/female nudity ratio is another issue. It was a worthy complaint during S2 when it was pretty much all female nudity and no male. S3 had multiple instances of male nudity and not that much more female nudity. I don’t think it needs to be exactly equal as long as there is some male nudity. Even those show that people praise for equal opportunity nudity like Spartacus and Rome had more female nudity than male.

  74. King Tommen
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    As is always the case when comparing male to female nudity, the female equivalent of a penis is a vagina, not boobs. We see plenty of shirtless dudes on GoT and I apologize that a man baring his chest and nipples isn’t as taboo as a female doing so but there’s not a whole lot we can do about that I suppose.

    I think S3 had lots of guys’ bare asses, lots of girls’ bare asses and lots of male and female chest shots. I don’t think there were hardly any shots of penises or vaginas so pretty sure we’re all even up there.

  75. JamesL
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:15 am | Permalink

    I hope they keep Coldhands introduction similar to the way he is introduced in ASOS but instead of him saving Sam and Gilly he will save Bran and co. from the wights.
    I think a scene like that would make a great S4 premiere cliffhanger.

  76. King Tommen
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I don’t think Sam armed up Bran’s whole crew with dragonglass (something which didn’t happen in the books) for no reason. They’ll be using that dragonglass in some form or another. I’m sure that both wights and Walkers will be involved. My personal hope is that they use this as a way to demonstrate the difference between the wights and WW’s (weaknesses, intelligence, species etc) since there still seems to be an alarming number of show watchers who still think they are one in the same.

  77. TheWolfofWinterfell
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    h

    J:
    Rast gonna run into Bran and Coldhands?

    Here’s to hoping!

  78. loco73
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    Hmmmmm, interesting casting call! I think I might just answer it! Maybe I can be an extra and play, I don’t know the Mother Of Dragons’ towel boy! Come on, even in Westeros they must have towel boys…though who the hell knows what the duties of a towel boy would be in Westeros! Instead of Dany I’d end up having to clean Strong Belwas…uhgghhhh!

  79. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:27 am | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    JamesL,

    since there still seems to be an alarming number of show watchers who still think they are one in the same.

    I’ll be honest – when I read the books, for a long time I didn’t click that there was a difference between Wights and the White Walkers. I mean, it seemed obvious later when I thought about it, but at the time it didn’t really matter (until the bit with the shattering knife etc).

    How much will the difference between White Walkers and Wights actually matter in the long run?

    Will the show even establish that they’re different? They may just say that in show canon there is no actual difference between the two.

  80. WildSeed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    JamesL,

    I don’t think Sam armed up Bran’s whole crew with dragonglass(something which didn’t happen in the books) for no reason. They’ll be using that dragonglass in some form or another.I’m sure that both wights and Walkers will be involved.My personal hope is that they use this as a way to demonstrate the difference between the wights and WW’s (weaknesses, intelligence, species etc) since there still seems to be an alarming number of show watchers who still think they are one in the same.

    Agreed. I was hoping the earlier S2 script wouldn’t have Samwell losing that precious
    Dragon Glass, while escaping that lean- to with Gilly & the baby. It seems the writers
    prepared an essential link to Samwell first finding the onyx ( not Ghost & Jon, as in
    the books ), and passing these pieces on to Bran and the Reeds. It makes sense
    that these will serve purpose during their trek into the Frostfangs.

    I would be most interested if GoT differentiates the Wights from the White Walker
    beasts, but I remain skeptic of the show’s premise to elaborate much more than the
    visuals we’ve already received. Samwell and the audience got a close up , and we’ve
    marked Wights since S1. There’s been little to tie in ancient magic or to clarify
    what makes any if at all unique____ that is unless you possess the ” blood of the
    dragon ” or a disciple of Rho’llor. It would seem that the scope of the show
    is to streamline these different aspects of Warg/ Greenseer/ and magic entities
    from the books. I’m most disappointed with the DireWolf relationships with the
    Stark siblings, the impact there is forever lost. However I won’t discount completely,
    further attempts to shore up some mysticism as the seasons progress, and I’ll
    take what I can get, just as long as it adds up to an interesting story.

  81. Lou Reed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    The actress with the no-nudity clause is Lena Headey. She has appeared in naked scenes before (other stuff), but do not want to do it anymore, after she became a mother.

    This should not be an issue until season 6, but either way, they’d probably want to do these infamous scenes with Cersei, using a body double.

  82. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    WildSeed
    There’s been little to tie in ancient magic or to clarify
    what makes any if at all unique____ that is unless you possess the ” blood of the
    dragon ” or a disciple of Rho’llor. It would seem that the scope of the showis to streamline these different aspects of Warg/ Greenseer/ and magic entities
    from the books. I’m most disappointed with the DireWolf relationships with the
    Stark siblings, the impact there is forever lost. However I won’t discount completely,
    further attempts to shore up some mysticism as the seasons progress, and I’ll
    take what I can get, just as long as it adds up to an interesting story.

    I would probably have done it differently to D&D, but I’ve assumed for a while that the intention is to really drip-feed the slow return of magic of Westeros, so that it only slowly becomes apparent to the viewer what is happening.

    S1 – Nothing much, besides the opening in the snow. Bran has crazy dreams with the crow, but that’s about it. Then SMACK! dragons at the end.
    S2 – Mel does her thing. Smoke baby. Bran has more wolf dreams. Sort of snippets here and there, but it’s still foggy as to the rules for magic.
    S3 – Resurrections. More wolfiness. Greendreams. Warging. Sam the Slayer. Giant. Much more obvious examples of magic happening.
    S4 – More Bran warging. Lady Stoneheart. Maybe Coldhands and/or the Bloodraven. Maybe Arya or Jon will demonstrate warg ability, but I doubt it at this point.
    S5 – Visit to the Citadel, the black candle etc… I think Arya’s wolf dream/warging abilities will only be revealed once she’s in Braavos (ie duelling through the eyes of the cat). Jon’s abilities will probably only be shown if/he does actually resurrect via Ghost in TWoW).

    I think as book readers, we kind of want everything made explicit up front. Whereas for good television, you need a slower burn – need to create a story arc for “magic” as a character in and of itself.

  83. WildSeed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    LOL, the distinction was a bit subtle in the books, that’s true. However , as GRRM
    kept threatening us with White Walker induced Armageddon, in a world of always
    winter, I hung on to the concept that they served a greater cause as ASOIAF’s end
    drew to a close. I admit to being more fascinated with the COTF and GreenSeer
    aspects , followed closely by the dragon and direwolf Warging. Rholl’or bored me,
    but I never took the Kindly Man for granted. If he were introduced on
    GoT ( John Noble, of course ), I might just do a cartwheel at the cast confirmation.
    I did with the naming of the 12 th Doctor Who announcement , why not GoT KM (?)

  84. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed:
    The actress with the no-nudity clause is Lena Headey. She has appeared in naked scenes before (other stuff), but do not want to do it anymore, after she became a mother.

    This should not be an issue until season 6, but either way, they’d probably want to do these infamous scenes with Cersei, using a body double.

    Actually, I very much doubt that. In a recent interview, she stated she was happy to do nudity in theory, but wanted to leave off until it was necessary for the story, so as not to lessen the impact of the walk of shame.

  85. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Chickenduck,

    as GRRM
    kept threatening us with White Walker induced Armageddon, in a world of always
    winter, I hung on to the concept that they served a greater cause as ASOIAF’s end
    drew to a close.

    I’m pretty sure they ARE important to the end game. But the difference between Wights and White Walkers might not be so vital.

    All of my friends (literally none of whom have read the books) have already worked out that the White Walkers are what really matters. They keep asking when the battle between dragons and ice zombies will happen.

    GRRM mentioned somewhere that a by-line for the series as a whole could be “meanwhile in Westeros, nobles squabble over control of the throne.”

  86. Red Hound
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Actually I find people thinking equal opportunity nudity is unrealistic maybe are a little naive themselves(…)

    The irony here is that we haven’t seen any women’s genitals, only men’s. The closest we’ve been was with Ramsay’s girls. So actually, equal opportunity nudity is unrealistic because we’re not going to see any female genitals anytime soon. How many shirtless (with low body fat to boot, for good abs definition) men have we seen? Many more than shirtless females and both can be as sexual. Showing breasts is not the equivalent of displaying penis.

    Your “quest for equality and fairness” tilts way too much for one side than another, once again. I guess some people are more equal than others.

  87. WildSeed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: I think as book readers, we kind of want everything made explicit up front. Whereas for good television, you need a slower burn – need to create a story arc for “magic” as a character in and of itself.

    Your points are quite reasonable. My misgivings are that it is apparent that the
    showrunners have already mapped the essential points to the production. There
    are beautifully constructed links for specific storylines and particular aspects
    of the books’ mystic features. There are plot driven points, namely to keep up
    with chosen themes, perhaps at a ( typical) diminishing effect on others. As
    you mentioned , the DireWolf links are weak or uncertain. Ghost remains but, he’s
    a ghost. And I doubt that viewers even remember that Arya even had a pup.
    Benioff & Weiss favour themes and visuals to enhance the storylines, and
    have been most successful with most of it.

    I am looking forward to Jim Rash, of the ” Writers Room “, prod the writers to
    give up up a few notable points on the scope of the show, despite all the cheerleading
    given on behalf of the Nerdom. An hourlong in depth conversation, without
    film clips or digital gimmicks. Just a sparse setting candid approach to allow these
    men and women to have their say. August 26 th cannot get here soon enough! *>*

    I’m very patient, by nature, and easily recognised these tweaks for a different
    scope for the televised production. I’m just expressing a bit a disappointment,
    which doesn’t undermine all that GoT has accomplished___ and the potential
    to fulfil in future seasons. However any expectations I have at this point
    remain reasonable , just for continuity and intelligent premise. There are few
    illusions I have that any subjective or notable feature or particular subject matter
    may reveal itself onscreen, verbatim or otherwise. I ‘m content, somewhat, to allow
    the creative folk to attempt their adaptation for our amusement and awe.

  88. Jack
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Okay, I guess my suggestion was too subtle. Rast could be one of the NW deserters that Coldhands kills and whom he feeds to Bran, Meera, Jojen and Hodor.

  89. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    I hope they keep Coldhands introduction similar to the way he is introduced in ASOS but instead of him saving Sam and Gilly he will save Bran and co. from the wights.
    I think a scene like that would make a great S4 premiere cliffhanger.

    Yup. I agree. I think they need to make up a lot of bran scenes and since d & d won’t do flashbacks I’m holding for some dreams that show prosthetic scenes

  90. WildSeed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    Red Hound,

    Man, you’ve missed a lot of reveals then. Better to skip that 4th glass of stout
    while watching the show, tends to make some folk rather drowzzzzzzyy. Just say’n

  91. Funny
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    exactly my opinion

  92. WildSeed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:06 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Awesome, nice to relate to newbies thirsting for more scenes (:
    Who knew I would miss Old Nan’s stories this much.
    When Osha and /or Rickon returns, we’re bound to learn more TWOW

  93. Sam
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:08 am | Permalink

    Emilia Clarke nude? something to look forward to in season 4. not only because she has a great body but also because her nude scenes are far away from pointless.

  94. Arkash
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    I would say that D&D turning the scene where Daario presents the heads to Dany into a bathing scene featuring full frontal is the epitomy of the word: gratuitous.

    I do not agree, imo this was one of the most useful nude scenes.

    It proves that Dany is intelligent enough to understand what weapons needs be used against whom. She understood that the only way to really win Daario was to show herself. And she didnt look away. It was a real provocation and sensual scene, imo.

  95. Lou Reed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Actually, I very much doubt that.In a recent interview, she stated she was happy to do nudity in theory, but wanted to leave off until it was necessary for the story, so as not to lessen the impact of the walk of shame.

    She has stated earlier in several interviews, that she was not getting naked on GoT.

    Found one example here, but its been said many places:
    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2012/06/21/interview-with-%E2%80%98game-of-thrones%E2%80%99-star-lena-headey/

    Seems she is up for changing her mind, which is good news for the show. But I still think she is the actor that the no-nudity rumour was concerning.

  96. Phil
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:52 am | Permalink

    Arkash: I do not agree, imo this was one of the most useful nude scenes.

    It proves that Dany is intelligent enough to understand what weapons needs be used against whom. She understood that the only way to really win Daario was to show herself. And she didnt look away. It was a real provocation and sensual scene, imo.

    I interpreted it a little differently: She explicitly wanted to “test” Daario to see if he was truly the man he said he was, or just like every other man (like the other Second Sons) who’s interested in her sexually. There’s a specific shot of him looking only into her eyes while she’s naked, showing that he was unfazed by her “display”, passing the test.

  97. Arkash
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Phil,

    Great interpretation too, indeed !

  98. KG
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:58 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Love scenes and sex scenes aren’t the same thing. I’d say a big problem of our society is that we’ve lost that distinction.

  99. HouseLark
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    The thing that always irritates me with the nudity debate is that no one seems to complain about the leering, unrealistic and gratuitous sex in the books. From Dany’s “she’s scared, but she’s really wet and wants it (erm, male rape fantasy anyone?)” to the “Myrish swamp” the sex in the books is every bit as tawdry as on the show. In short, what did you expect? Sorry that it makes you uncomfortable to watch the show with your parents but its a R-rated show, you know what involved by now.

  100. HouseLark
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    Red Hound: The irony here is that we haven’t seen any women’s genitals, only men’s. The closest we’ve been was with Ramsay’s girls. So actually, equal opportunity nudity is unrealistic because we’re not going to see any female genitals anytime soon. How many shirtless (with low body fat to boot, for good abs definition) men have we seen? Many more than shirtless females and both can be as sexual. Showing breasts is not the equivalent of displaying penis.

    Your “quest for equality and fairness” tilts way too much for one side than another, once again. I guess some people are more equal than others.

    It sounds like you’re being wilfully naive. There’s a difference between male and female topless nudity. How many mainstream magazine covers do you see with a topless woman on? Even crap like FHM won’t go that far. Yet a shirtless male torso is considered generally acceptable for public consumption. Also, consider the reaction when a male tennis player takes off their shirt at the end of a match. Now think what the reaction would be if Serena Williams just got her boobs out on the court. And now hopefully you get the difference.

  101. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    But the whole “there is an actress on the show with a no-nudity clause” thing was specifically referring to someone who had already appeared nude in GoT season 1 (and possibly 2) but is refusing to appear nude anymore. That rules Lena out as she never appeared nude on the show to begin with. The two candidates are Esme Bianco (Ros) and Sebil Kekilli (Shae). So if Shae appears nude in season 4 we will know it was Esme who got her contract re-negotiated. And since Sibel is a former porn actress I doubt it is her.

  102. Bloodraven
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    azad injejikian:
    Still dunno the fate of Dolorous Edd and Grenn.

    PLEASE tell me they are coming back! Not only do I really like Ben Crompton (of Ideal fame, LOVE that show) & his portrayal of Eds dark humor is perfect, but they still have a role to play at the wall if I remember correctly…

    Maybe they already made it back before Jon & escaped the mutinous scum?

  103. Lou Reed
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 7:06 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I realize that, but rumours have a tendency to become warped when they travel.

    “Before in her career” could have turned into “Before on the show”.

  104. Wilhelm
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 7:12 am | Permalink

    The women will be required for the sex dance in A Dance With Dragons I suspect…

  105. kevnar Of Thenn
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    mariamb,

    This is pretty much what I’d been thinking too.

    That ampitheatre looks perfect for the duel between the Red Viper and the Mountain.. really looking forward to/ dreading that!

    As for Rast, because the Bran storyline is so sparse in the books, it looks like they’ll indeed be bulking it out, and it’s a safe bet that’s where Rast and some of the other mutinous Black Brothers will come into it. It might be interesting if they are attacked by Rast and co with Coldhands coming to the rescue, but Rast comes back as a wight too… Well, it’s fun to speculate isn’t it!

  106. Nanuk
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Wilhelm:
    The women will be required for the sex dance in A Dance With Dragons I suspect…

    They won’t use local actresses for that.. They’ll choose from professional performers, both male and female (dancers, strippers, etc) and it won’t happen until next season at least. Dany’s storyline in S4 will be conquering Mereen, Jorah’s banishment and end with her being crowned Queen there. If they use material from aDwD in S4, we are in for a lot of boredom during S5 and S6. Also, with Xaro and the thirteen already dead in the show, the Qarth envoy storyline could be very different from the books, maybe even left out.

    Also, so far each season has ended on a triumphant Dany. The birth of dragons for S1, the burnig of the house of the undying for S2, Misha on S3… Queen of Mereen makes the most sense timeline and content-wise for an S4 ending.

  107. Red Hound
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    HouseLark: It sounds like you’re being wilfully naive. There’s a difference between male and female topless nudity. How many mainstream magazine covers do you see with a topless woman on? Even crap like FHM won’t go that far. Yet a shirtless male torso is considered generally acceptable for public consumption. Also, consider the reaction when a male tennis player takes off their shirt at the end of a match. Now think what the reaction would be if Serena Williams just got her boobs out on the court. And now hopefully you get the difference.

    Context is important, isn’t it? Now imagine Serena removes part of her shirt to breastfeed. Are you going to sexualize that?
    Look at the twitter recap how they talk about Gendry’s upper body. In that context, Gendry being shirtless is the same as Ros (in example) being topless. I didn’t say Daenerys in example, as her last nude scene was not gratuitous, as it played a subtle role compared to her first bath scene (that’s how I see it at least).

    This is similar to Hercules & Xena. Some complaints because amazons wear skimpy outfits…while at same time you have Hercules, Ioalus and most male characters (Not Salmoneus though!) showing their arms, chest and abdominal area while wearing tight leather pants.

    While I don’t disagree that, in general, female breasts are more erotic (to use a word) than male ones, in the context of gratuitous nudity in Game of Thrones, they are quite on par. My point was, that Ours is the Fury tried to equalize it by implying that more male frontal nudity is needed because then it would be “fair”, as in both sides then would be showing the same, when that’s not true. If a man is showing his penis, a woman should show the pubis area to be equal.

  108. Carne
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Home come 95% of the comments are arguing about nudity :(? Much more fun to speculate Rast’s role!

  109. King Tommen
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    I also am seeing the “castmember with no-nudity clause” issue has already been clouded so let’s put the facts out there again so they don’t get confused.

    The quote came from Oona Chaplin (Talisa) when she was interviewed earlier this year before Season 3 had aired. Here it is:

    “One of the girls in the show who got her [dress] off the most in the first couple of seasons now doesn’t at all… [She said] I want to be known for my acting, not for my breasts.”

    Everyone immediately jumped to the conclusion that this was Emilia Clarke because she’s the most well known actress on the show to get naked. But clearly, this wasn’t the case since she appeared in the bathing scene with Daario in S3. Here are her thoughts on nudity on the show:

    “They let you know that you’re auditioning for a part that will include some nudity… It’s not what I was looking forward to doing and it’s not something I was excited about filming. It was definitely tricky. And hard, as a young actress filming an HBO series — it’s daunting enough as it is without having that thrown in. But it’s integral for the character. It’s integral for her growth and I think it’s an important thing to show. I don’t think you could have done Dany justice without showing that.”

    The only two female actresses who really meet the criteria Chaplin talked about are Siebel Kekilli and Esme Bianco as they both were naked a fair amount in S1 and not much afterwards. Bianco was naked in her death scene in S3 and Kekilli hasn’t done any nudity at all since S1. And it is important to note that it is not implied by Chaplin that the mystery actress no has a “no nudity clause” officially, just that they don’t really get naked anymore most likely because they asked the producers not to feature them naked in most of the scenes they were in as had been the case in S1. It doesn’t necessarily mean that the actress would never appear naked on the show again, just that it wasn’t the defining characteristic of Ros or Shae.

    In terms of Lena Headley, it’s helpful to bring up this quote since it reinforces that she’s more than willing to do the walk of shame and that she thinks that Cersei’s lack of nudity leading up to that point will make the scene that much more powerful.

    “I’ve said from day one that I’ve got no problem with nudity. I’ve done it throughout my career. But for this character, it’s been better for her regality and her feistiness to not bare her flesh until she has to. When it’s out of her control. And if that ever happens, it won’t be Cersei being seductive or sexy. She’ll be stripped. That kind of a scene will have more power if it’s not an everyday occurrence. I can’t wait for that.”

  110. Eljuma
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    Sibel was never naked in GOT. I don’t know why people keep saying that.

  111. Turncloak
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Season 4 arc
    Dany: capturing of Yunkai disrupts economy and people starve, she’s forced to go after Mereen. Barristan duels against champion of Mereen. Barristan and Jorahs betrayals are discovered(Barristan is working with Illyrio to bring Dany to Pentos, Jorah has been spying) . The two are sent on a suicide mission. My guess is that the two will enter the lists as pit fighters ala Gladiator since the stealth mission was already done in Yunkai. They will start an uprising and capture the city. Dany will be made queen. Her arc will end with Unsullied being murdered in the city as the sons of the harpy are introduced

  112. Narquaw
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 9:20 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga: You know that Esme only had one brief scene where she was nude in all of season two, right (and it was her last scene of the season; the one with Varys)? So your reasoning is a bit off, I’d say. More likely is that her character had served her purpose for the story-telling needs of the TV show, and coming up with new ways to keep her involved in the plot line was no longer feasible. I think her entire arc goes a long way towards emphasizing how little power some of the people in this world have, and what can happen to you (good or bad) when the people who actually hold power take an interest in you (or vice versa).

    I think there is also a big parallel between the stories of Ros and Theon, and I have never read about that.

    They were both of them “not important” people in Winterfell and they shared their nights together sometimes. Then we see their separation in season 1, when she leaves to King’s Landing. They try to become more important people in season 2. Eventually they fail and are both tortured by psychopaths (Joffrey and Ramsay), both crucified (to a bed and to a cross) in season 3.

  113. YezzanZoQaggaz
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 9:27 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Cover your spoilers, unsullied definitely wouldn’t want to know about Cersei’s walk of shame

  114. Morior Invictus
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Thank goodness, I am not the only one who thinks Missandei is the most beautiful woman on the show. One day Winter is Coming you have to put up a poll on the most beautiful woman on the show so far

  115. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Eljuma:
    Sibel was never naked in GOT. I don’t know why people keep saying that.

    Season 1, episode 9 “Baelor” disagrees with you.

    I’ll meet you halfway and say Sibell isn’t naked but she damn sure bares her breasts.

  116. King Tommen
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    You are entirely incorrect. Check out her intro in S1 as she strips for Tyrion in his tent. Naked, naked, naked.

  117. Rhys
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Morior Invictus:
    Thank goodness, I am not the only one who thinks Missandei is the most beautiful woman on the show.One day Winter is Coming you have to put up a poll on the most beautiful woman on the show so far

    No, they don’t have to.

  118. Carne
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Someone on Twitter snapped this today: https://twitter.com/dd29/status/364716288657993728

    Looks like extras to me.

    And this is apparently some location filming: https://twitter.com/Markpulford01/status/364738219155267584
    Nothing to see though.

  119. loco73
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    With all these casting news slowly but surely trickling in, I almost forgot my infrequent plea of whether or not we can get Ana Torv on the show!!!! Please, please, pretty please HBO!!!!!! Cast her!!!!! She has already spoken quite nicely about her support and love for GoT!!! She is a fan fave and I don’t doubt she would be wonderful on the show!!!!

    What about Gillian Anderson! Could she be a viable casting choice?! Oh yeah, for f**k’s sake, stop screwing around, solve your differences and bring Conan Stevens back as Ser Gregor Clegane the only true Mountain That Rides!

  120. H. Stark
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    The bald man on the right looks like Varys.

  121. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    So I’m pretty sure that the trial by combat will be in this hotel area. That red area is set up perfectly for from left to right, Oberyn, space, Tywin, space, Mace. The style of the pillar things on the edges (NOT what the area originally looked like, as a google search restricting the time range shows. http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-f4smrUdQZnQ/UIv8MncovHI/AAAAAAAAADM/zZMy3YVzGJ8/s320/P1070442.JPG http://www.backpackingdiplomacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/balkans6.jpg ) seems similar to king’s landing area styles.

  122. Carne
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Looks like you might be right. Definitely a King’s Landing scene they’re filming.

  123. Mencar
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Carne,
    IMO, the man standing to the right of lannister soldier looks like the actor playing Mace

  124. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    loco73,

    As I said before Anna Torv would be a great older Val.

  125. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Mencar,

    Yes, I think those are highgarden colors, as their colors seem to be greens/gold/pale blue. Very earthy palette for their agriculture, I’d guess. Could the lannister soldier be kevan? I can’t tell, as we didn’t see him much in the past and they never named him, so there aren’t really many pictures of him. Plus the picture is not detailed enough. But don’t only the high ranking Lannisters have that red cloth draped around them? I can only recall seeing Tywin with it. I know they wear it as cloaks but I mean draped. The man seems to have graying hair on the sides, where the actor for Kevan did. Really hard to see.

  126. TH3WICK3D1
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Any confirmation on the rumor of “Joseph Mawle” spotted in Iceland?

  127. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Awesome!

    Looks like Varys (Right), possibly Joffrey and Mace Tyrell(Center)!

  128. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Also that is very possibly 0ur Red Viper behind that Lannister guard.

    I see Gold and Red colours, but much brighter than the Lannister Gold & Red on their armor. Also what I can see of his head looks very much like his.

    Looks like they could be filming the Royal Wedding.

  129. Carne
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Mencar,

    Damn, these probably aren’t extras after all :P Stop making sense!

    Zooming in it does indeed resemble the actor playing Mace.

  130. WompWomp
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I’m surprised this is still a debate. Oona Chaplin clearly meant Esme Bianco in her non-nudity remarks. The proof is in the season. Ros looks practically naked in her final scene, but she very much isn’t. If there was ever a moment in S3 for her to strip down, that would have been it, to juxtapose the allure of her body with Joffrey’s singular obsession with inflicting pain.

    I can see how Emilia was in the running here considering her coverage in S2, but between her bathing scene in S3E08, her Broadway run, and S3 Ros modesty, I’d say the mystery’s been solved for months. Esme is also a burlesque performer, so it makes sense that she would want to draw a bolder line between her burlesque and her acting career.

  131. Lars
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Carne:
    Mencar,

    Damn, these probably aren’t extras after all :P Stop making sense!

    Zooming in it does indeed resemble the actor playing Mace.

    And the one in Lannister uniform/armor could definitely be the actor playing Kevan – he looks a bit too fancy dressed for a regular Lannister guard.

  132. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Great picture! That’s Roger Ashton Griffiths as Mace Tyrell. You can tell because the hairline matches up if you zoom in close enough.

    http://game-of-thrones.dk/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/9334.jpg

    Next to him could be Kevan Lannister – he’s wearing the right sort of armor:

    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/7/7d/Kevan_Lannister.png/250px-Kevan_Lannister.png

    But it’s difficult to tell. On the right has got to be Varys. The long robes and bald head make it obvious.

  133. TH3WICK3D1
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Lars,

    Is that Jaime on the extreme left? With a woman in a red dress (Cercei)?

  134. Narquaw
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    There is clearly Joffrey too, on the left of Varys, all in gold.

  135. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Yeah, I believe that is Oberyn standing behind Kevan and talking to Mace. Looks like Pascal won’t be wearing a wig.

  136. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Narquaw,

    Yeah, you’re probably right. Despite the grainy quality it does look like Joffrey. And it could well be Oberyn’s face that is obscured by (who we think is) Kevan. Not convinced that’s Jaime on the left there though.

  137. Darquemode
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    Late to the party commenting on the photo Carne linked, but it definitely looks like Varys, Joffrey, Mace, Kevan Lannister with possibly Oberyn and an unidentified older man (not Tywin is it?) to their left….. as well as maybe Cersei in red (or maybe Ellaria?) and Jaime hiding off behind the crew on the left.

  138. Ben
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that is Kevan in the picture unless they have recast him. Actor looks nothing like Ian Gelder. http://www.curtisbrown.co.uk/_assets/uploads/26166.jpg

  139. Mencar
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    after re-watching “second sons” episode last night, I’m pretty sure the older man to left of “Kevan” is the same septon that married Tyrion and Sansa

  140. Rhys
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    I think the one who looks like Joffrey is actually Tommen.

  141. Darquemode
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    Good thinking, you could be right.
    I was trying to recall facial details of that High Septon and I couldn’t, but I looked him up and he is played by Paul Bentley.
    http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130520191052/gameofthrones/images/d/df/High_Septon_2_3x08.jpg

    The photo is so LQ it’s hard to decipher any of the actor with any real certainty. ..

    I stand by my earlier guess though. I think the scene being filmed is likely a pre-wedding meeting, the dinner, the ceremony itself (if it’s the Septon) or possibly the first Small Council meeting after Oberyn arrives. All of the actors I named make sense if that is the scene…..

  142. Arkash
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    I still have a doubt for Joffrey, but the clothing is very relevant.

    Varys and Mace are obvious.

    I dont think this is Kevan, nor Jaime…

    As for Oberyn, it could be him, but I think Pedro Pascal will wear a wig for the character.

  143. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    kevin wearing a red sash and same shoulders

  144. Michel
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t the guy who looks like Joffrey wearing “simple” clothes? For a King, and if it is indeed the PW, he should wear something more powerful

  145. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Michel,

    this is more likely a small council mace/vp arriving to be greeted by the king kind of thing, joff doesnt wear that many fine clothes actually.

  146. Arthur
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    WiC IS THERE ANY WORD IF THE SEASON 4 DRAGONS WILL BE BIGGER?!? Lol…

    I gots to knowsssss!!!

  147. Darquemode
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    From Not-a-Blog:

    Absolutely hilarious menu offerings at NY’s Vinnie’s Pizzeria!
    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ggggenji/9-dinner-specials-created-in-honor-of-game-of-thro-9mo9

    I wanna try some Cheddard Stark myself! mmmmmm XD

  148. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Why wouldn’t they be? They’ve grown bigger with every season, why would they stop now?

  149. Arthur
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Did they get bigger from season 1 to 2? I remember them staying roughly the same size. All I am saying is D&D can make them stay roughly the same size as they did from season 1 to 2… I am just very curious if they are getting bigger that’s all…

  150. mariamb
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    From Darren Franich of EW: “How to fix Daenerys”

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/08/06/daenerys-khaleesi-game-of-thrones-rehab/

  151. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Ben,

    What? It looks like him. The shape of his face, plus the pattern of graying hair. His mouth seems to be in an odd position in the photo, which makes it look a bit off. I hope we don’t start another analysis not seen since The Great Pod/Gendry Debate of 2013…

  152. Jentario
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    mariamb:
    From Darren Franich of EW: “How to fix Daenerys”

    http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/08/06/daenerys-khaleesi-game-of-thrones-rehab/

    About the article…
    Making a whole episode about Daenerys would be a terrible idea. Maybe in season 6 when shit goes down and loads of major characters get there, but season 4? What would they have her do for a whole hour?

    I think season 4 will get the same treatment as season 2 in Dany’s story (complete deviations and made up stories). All that’s left is two chapters (three if you count scenes that have been cut from season 3) and a big part of them is very repetitive and similar to season 3. They might decide to go into ADWD early but I doubt that.

  153. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    If anyone needs a character rehab it’s Jon Snow. And I’m hoping Season 4 and the Battle of Castle Black will do just the trick. A whole episode on Daenerys would be pointless at this point in the story.

    In terms of dragons, I don’t think they will be any bigger. Almost no time will have passed when we pick things up again at the beginning of Season 4.

  154. Arthur
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    Right I agree about the dragons because their growth equals the measurement of passage of time, however D&D can start the season 4 Dany storyline showing her already settled in some palace and assume some months have passed and allowing for bigger dragons.

    From season 2 to 3 the viewer had to also assume some time did pass before Dany got on that boat and sailed.

    That is why i keep asking about the size of the dragons I am curious as to D&Ds approach to season 4…

    One would think they would have to get bigger and bigger to progress with Dany’s storyline so eventually we can get our pit stare down scene…

  155. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Kevin: Daenerys in Split, requiring that many women, makes me wonder if it’s another bathing scene. There will likely be more set r

    Someone read that “an actress doesn’t want to appear nude” and stupidly jumped to the conclusion that it was Daenerys, despite the fact that *numerous* other actresses appeared nude throughout the show and it could easily have applied to any of them.

    Well, luck of the drawn, she wasn’t naked in Season 2, maybe this led to that speculation — soon dashed when she does another nude scene in “Second Sons” in Season 3.

    My functional guess at this point is that it was Ros, who appeared nude very frequently in Season 1 but *never* appeared nude again in Seasons 2 and 3.

    I don’t think there are many other candidates (who else was a *recurring* character who was naked in Season 1, when that report was made? Shae? I doubt it, she wasn’t naked that long in Season 1).

    But this is why people shouldn’t jump to conclusions when there are BLATANTLY other candidates.

  156. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    TH3WICK3D1:
    Any confirmation on the rumor of “Joseph Mawle” spotted in Iceland?

    Apparently it was just trolling. Same guy who fake-leaked Cosimo Fusco for the RV.

  157. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Considering the Battle at the Wall is supposed to be bigger and more expensive than ‘Blackwater’, I’m not sure how much of the dragon budget it will eat up. Of course, I’m no expert, I am just assuming that larger dragons equals more detailed CGI that is required.

  158. Arthur
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think your right so the dragons will probably be of the same design as season 3. That kind of sucks but hey I understand this is a TV show with limited budget…

    So I’m guessing the season 5 dragons will probably at least double in size…

  159. Ren
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Lars:
    The amphitheater will probably be the setting for either:
    A) The trial
    or
    B) The duel

    It could work for either… (or both).

    The trial is supposed to take place at the throne room i hope we get tywin sitting on the Iron Throne

  160. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    Franich is EW’s resident geek contrarian. Though his article raises some good points this is another Franich reactionary piece.

  161. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Ren,

    So what if it happens there in the books? Looks better if it’s outside, for when people start scattering because Gregor is insane.

  162. Dornishman
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    I would love a hot sex scene involving Oberyn and a male escort this season. Possible with more than one escort. The more the better.

    It would certainly make up the male nudity quota for the season.

  163. Turncloak
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    GRRM should be the one doing the fixing to Dany. Her book 5 arc was a step backwards. Lets hope she rocks in book 6

  164. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    Ren,

    So what if it happens there in the books? Looks better if it’s outside, for when people start scattering because Gregor is insane.

    When reading the book, I totally pictured it being outside, on sand in some kind of colosseum…

    I swear, my brain must completely miss details when I read…

    Either way, I agree with haltwhogoesthere that it would better outside for TV purposes. Especially if the crowd have to scatter when Gregor loses his sh*t.

    I’m amazed that hotel was only built in the 1980s, it definitely can pass as older.

  165. Chickenduck
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    mariamb,

    GRRM should be the one doing the fixing to Dany. Her book 5 arc was a step backwards. Lets hope she rocks in book 6

    I’d agree with that too.

    Anyways, if there’s a character who’s suffered from lack of screen time, it’s Jon. He should have plenty more to do this season.

  166. Morior Invictus
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    I wasn’t demanding , please don’t be so literal. Just thought it would be a good idea.

  167. Arthur
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    This is totally off topic:

    I know there’s a lot of nerds here that would know this kind of weirdo information so I figured I’d ask…

    I really enjoy HBO’s Newsroom. I also understand it’s more of an “artsy” type program and will never get the rating numbers of a True Blood or GoT.

    My question is do HBO executives realize this? They must, so that being said what kind of ratings numbers would The Newroom have to pull for HBO to consider it a success? Or what kind of measurement system would HBO use to gauge the success of a show like this?

    Anywho, I really enjoy the show and am just wondering if HBO considers The Newsroom a success. I would enjoy seeing these characters and learning the insides of how a Newroom covers politics and big events for many years and just hope it’s not on the HBO cutting block. Problem is I have no idea how HBO would gauge this kind of show…

  168. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Well it was actually in the “outer ward,” whatever that means. I didn’t remember when I read the comment, but that’s what it says in the book. It gets out of control and so people start scrambling to back up. They start leaving after that guy gets cut.
    The luckless stableboy behind him was not so quick. As his arm rose to protect his face, Gregor’s sword took it off between elbow and shoulder. “Shut UP!” the Mountain howled at the stableboy’s scream, and this time he swung the blade sideways, sending the top half of the lad’s head across the yard in a spray of blood and brains. Hundreds of spectators suddenly seemed to lose all interest in the guilt or innocence of Tyrion Lannister, judging by the way they pushed and shoved at each other to escape the yard.

  169. LordNoga1981
    Posted August 6, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Four nude women with Emilia Clarke. Oh yeah somethin for the spank bank.

  170. Turncloak
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 12:54 am | Permalink

    This thought by Tyrion needs to be verbalized in season 4

    “I put my life in the Red Viper’s hands, and he dropped it. When he remembered, too late, that snakes don’t have hands, Tyrion began to laugh hysterically”

  171. King Tommen
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:07 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    This thought by Tyrion needs to be verbalized in season 4

    “I put my life in the Red Viper’s hands, and he dropped it. When he remembered, too late, that snakes don’t have hands, Tyrion began to laugh hysterically”

    Certainly not Martin’s finest bit of prose. Don’t think the show would want to draw any more attention to that clunker any more than necessary. But Tyrion should puke after Oberyn loses because that was awesome.

  172. Rhys
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    HBO’s strengths with original programming relate to their ability to have something for everyone. They are unconcerned with ratings and more concerned with subscribers. I suspect if Newsroom is valued by a unique audience then it will continue for some time.

    The ratings for Girls are quite low by HBO’s standards, and yet they stick with it, presumably because of it’s unique target audience.

  173. Turncloak
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I always thought that was clever. Never bet on a snake :-). I hope he pukes and laughs

  174. WildSeed
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    Rhys,

    This apparently bodes true for many of it’s programming. Peer awards and accolades
    has always been HBO’s strongsuit, which also reflects it’s broad spectrum of
    support to interesting projects. Newsroom stands counted among some thought
    provoking programs, however short of it’s Documentary projects also airing.
    Not sure what Arthur meant by ” artsy “, but the list of projects cover everything from
    humanitarian to period pieces and true history to fantasy. I’m also loving ” VEEP ” too,
    for all the political posturing and cracktastic absurdity that comes along with it.
    The concerts are awesome, and political satires provoke thought, but I’m
    really enjoying the ” Vice” program that’s scheduled to debut it’s second season.
    If I’m really bored,there’s always TrueBlood Porn.

  175. WildSeed
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I thought so too, hope Tyrion does just that. He was definitely at a low point. *>*

  176. TH3WICK3D1
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Apparently it was just trolling.Same guy who fake-leaked Cosimo Fusco for the RV.

    oh right, thanks :)

  177. Unbowd UnbentUnHodor
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    I saw a photo retweet by WiC and it looks like a photo with mace tyrell and the other person looks like Kevan Lannister with the armour? Anyone else got any ideas

  178. boze
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    .

  179. Chickenduck
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Unbowd UnbentUnHodor:
    I saw a photo retweet by WiC and it looks like a photo with mace tyrell and the other person looks like Kevan Lannister with the armour? Anyone else got any ideas

    The ones I think I recognised looked like Joff, Varys, Mace and Kevan. Maybe Pedro Pascal also.

    Pretty confident on that being Ian Gelder (Kevan) in there.

  180. Pau
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck:

    Will the show even establish that they’re different?They may just say that in show canon there is no actual difference between the two.

    Lol no way! Why would they do that? Viewers of this show are not stupid…as David Simon said “FUCK the casual viewer!”

    Regarding nudity, I guess 99% of the complaints are non-european :P

  181. Felt Pelt
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Another photo of the same group:
    http://i.imgur.com/PZLDV8y.jpg

    (from user davidcorkill on the game of thrones subreddit)

  182. Nick_Scryer
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Interesting that the latest pic on the Wic Tumblr shows that the red area is not actually a Judge’s table.

    I thought for sure that it was.

    Of course it’s possible that they could put a table on top of that red platform but I don’t know how that would look.

  183. Soliwo
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    @ haltwhogoesthere

    (straight) Women are as likely to be turned on by male nudeness as men are by female nudeness. We just like good, intelligent drama as well. So we will watch Game of Thrones because of the story, but I will definitely get excited by a bit more arse. We just don’t discuss these matters with other men.

  184. Darquemode
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    Thanks for the better quality photo link!

    This confirms or at least strengthens my suspicion (fear) that Oberyn will NOT have a long wig… sadly.

    Also looks like Finn Jones popping out from behind as well.

  185. Auren
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    I know that’s probably Oberyn… but looks like he has a golden cloak costume to me

  186. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Soliwo,

    I never excluded women from being interested by it. I said men are more likely to keep their interest level up regardless of quality as long as there are naked women. Of course there are both men and women who think like that and only come to a show because there are hot people on it. But you said it yourself, “we also like good, intelligent drama.” One is more likely to see a male’s interest vary with the amount of nudity/nudity of the same sex than you are a woman. That’s what I’m saying. A negative reaction to like-sex nudity in addition to increased or decreased interest based on opposite sex nudity is more likely in (straight) men. Not nonexistent in (straight) women. So they’re not likely to change that, especially after the action slows down a bit post season 4. They will probably perceive less action in addition to more naked men as possibly detrimental to whatever success they have with the young male demographic. Of course, now knowing that Game of Thrones is about a millimeter away from their most successful program of all time kind of changes the risks they’ll be willing to take, so I could be completely wrong…As usual…

  187. Ser Endrew Tarth
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Here’s hoping that the wig is off for the break!

    I always imagined an outside duel as well. It is described as a yard afterall. This location looks perfect!

    I guess I can understand some of your takes on the Dany/Daario bathing scene this season… To me it just seemed “forced” as if to meet some actual “nudity quota” and just raised many more questions like “How crappy is Dany’s security if a dude can just role up into her bathing tent with a sack of heads?”. In the book he is captured in the outskirts of the camp and brought to Dany IIRC.

    I am not a prude or conservative, but just as I have cringed at the misuse of terms in the show (Iron Price) that scene made me cringe at the thought of the show looking more gratuitous than it already does. IDK, to each his own I just keep thinking how much better the scene could’ve been in her main tent attended by Selmy and Mormont who would of course council against trusting this man. Which would make the scene more interesting than “Dany stared him down naked” or “dany tested him”.

  188. Alice
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    It’s a little bit too early to begin wig-gate, I think. I remember seeing photos of Daario in costume last year but without his wig, and I freaked out because I couldn’t imagine they would go with a bald Daario !

    So, yeah, Pedro could have either finished filming his scenes for the day or not even begun for all we know, hence the absence wig. And I’m betting even Mace will have a wig in order to make him look younger and make the fact that he is Olenna’s son more plausible (otherwise, the casual viewer would probably think he’s Olenna’s husband).

  189. Darquemode
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Alice,

    Definitely true, but we did lose a number of characters’ long hair from the books like Roose Bolton and Ramsay Snow.. I’m sure some others too. Mero had long hair and a bushy beard in the books I recall.

    When I saw Pedro Pascal cast I immediately wondered whether or not they’d use a wig at all honestly. I’m not certain he will have short hair of course, but ……

  190. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt:
    Another photo of the same group:
    http://i.imgur.com/PZLDV8y.jpg

    (from user davidcorkill on the game of thrones subreddit)

    In this picture Kevan (or the guy I assumed was him anyway) doesn’t look much like Kevan. But who else could he be?

  191. Alice
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden,

    A recast Kevan maybe ?

  192. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think that’s the Red Viper. It looks like a gold cloak with his helmet off.

  193. Chickenduck
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden: In this picture Kevan (or the guy I assumed was him anyway) doesn’t look much like Kevan. But who else could he be?

    It still looks like Ian Gelder to me. I guess it’s too blurry to really know either way.

    Regards wigs n stuff – does it not occur to people that actors don’t wear their full costume when they’re standing around at smoko?

    Also, when all is said and done, hair length/colour isn’t always that vital to the plot… As long as Joff, Myrcella and Tommen are suspiciously blond for S1, I can’t think of others where it matters too much.

  194. Chickenduck
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    (Although obviously Ygritte, Viserys and Dany’s hair is also fairly specifically important).

  195. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    As evidenced by Shireen and the supposed super strong Baratheon genes that make all or Robert’s children look unmistakably like Robert. She should have dark hair, and I didn’t even notice until someone pointed it out. I really doubt the average viewer thinks much about hair beyond its relevance in season 1. Unless they’re hinting to us that Ned was wrong all along and Joffrey was his true son and ALL THESE PEOPLE DIED AND IT’S ALL THE GOOD GUYS’ FAULT OMG BOOK SPOILERS THEY’RE RUINING THE SERIES MAKE THEM STAAAHHHP IT’S GRATUITOUS WHITEWASHING PERSON OF COLOR FANDOM BUZZWORDS!

    Seriously though, did anyone else notice that Shireen’s hair is supposed to be darker? Though it doesn’t matter because the actress is so cute

  196. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    Is that Loras peeking his head out left of Lannister soldier? Now that I think about the people gathered and their clothing logically, it doesn’t make sense for it to be Kevan. Why would he be in armor during his appearances? The war is pretty much over and this is around the time he’d be getting tired of Cersei’s crap, and getting ready to go back to Casterly Rock. If it’s not that, then it’s probably the wedding–another occasion that it doesn’t make sense for him to have on armor. Also, I think the guy drinking something is Pedro because his eyes have that kind of sad/tired look that his eyes have. Though again, it’s a low quality picture so I can’t say.

  197. Eljuma
    Posted August 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    1st scene of S4: Kevan rides into the throne room and is bestowed the title of “Savior of Casterly Rock”

  198. Braincandy
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    KG:
    Ours is the Fury,

    Love scenes and sex scenes aren’t the same thing. I’d say a big problem of our society is that we’ve lost that distinction.

    This.

  199. Jentario
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:44 am | Permalink

    Alice:
    Lady of Highgarden,

    A recast Kevan maybe ?

    The show has proven it can bring back actors from season 1, so I wouldn’t jump the gun on this one. It can easily just be some Lannister guard, and it could still be Kevan but why would he be wearing armor?

  200. Carne
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:41 am | Permalink

    Is that Pedro talking to Mance? http://i.imgur.com/Z0zGn9J.jpg

  201. Chickenduck
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:55 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    Chickenduck,

    Seriously though, did anyone else notice that Shireen’s hair is supposed to be darker? Though it doesn’t matter because the actress is so cute

    Yep, quite a lot of people commented on Shireen’s hair.

    Shireen’s hair is a perfect example of something that a lot of fans got kind of annoyed at, but which really doesn’t really bother me… I mean, I understand why maybe they should have darkened her hair for consistency, but my degree in genetics would like to argue that it’s perfectly possible (and not uncommon) for two caucasians with dark hair to produce a blond child, so long as they have the right recessive genes. The Baratheons are part Targaryen anyway, so they’ve probably also got silver-hairs gene up their sleeves too.

    I guess to some extent, it comes down to a question of whether GRRM’s imagines that Westerosi genetics work the same as Earth genetics. Like, are the “Baratheon Super Genes” really super genes…? I kind of feel like genetics in Westeros works more or less like genetics on Earth.

    For the purposes of the storyline, the Lannisters have to be blond, and the royal children have to be blond enough to arouse Jon Arryn’s suspicion. This DOES matter to the plot of S1. However, not many people complained about Tyrion not being blond enough (especially if he’s a secret Targ).

  202. H. Stark
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Carne:
    Is that Pedro talking to Mance? http://i.imgur.com/Z0zGn9J.jpg

    :D

  203. Chickenduck
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Jentario: The show has proven it can bring back actors from season 1, so I wouldn’t jump the gun on this one. It can easily just be some Lannister guard, and it could still be Kevan but why would he be wearing armor?

    Looking at these photos, I don’t think it’s Joffrey’s wedding. The clothes look too normal… Surely they’d have ceremonial wedding outfits. Might just be another scene in the Red Keep.

    Regarding “maybe-Kevan” in armour, now I’m starting to doubt it being Ian Gelder. But if it is him… dunno… maybe he just likes to wear his armour around the place? Maybe he’s just been for a walk around Flea Bottom and didn’t want to get stabbed?

  204. Chickenduck
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Carne:
    Is that Pedro talking to Mance? http://i.imgur.com/Z0zGn9J.jpg

    No, but it might be Pedro talking to MACE ;)

  205. Carne
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Are you sure? Looks like Ciaran Hinds to me. Kidding.

  206. TheBlackFlame
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Kevin:
    so Emilia Clarke will apparently go nude again in season 4.where do all these rumors come from about her demanding a no-nudity provision in her contract?

    Man is was the actress who plays Shae the funny whore not Emilia.

  207. Ser Endrew Tarth
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    IIRC GRRM said in an early interview that we cannot rely on real world genetics to explain things in his fantasy world… So no, our rules of genetics do not apply. I could make an excuse for the show that maybe it will darken a bit as she ages, but that’s giving the show a pass for missing yet another subtly important detail (which I have done many times already).

    I don’t Nerdrage about it lol, but it sucks.

  208. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Did you see what they were wearing at Sansa’s wedding? Those looked pretty normal to me but were apparently pretty fancy. And the clothes Joffrey was getting fit for in one scene. The clothes are fancier but just not in obvious ways. Maybe an embroidery pattern that you can only see up close. I think I remember seeing a picture of some character’s clothes and there were little tiny roses or something sewn into a sleeve. Something that’s nigh impossible to notice outside of actually acting in the scene.
    http://asongoficeandattire.blogspot.com/2013/07/michele-caragher-game-of-thrones.html

    Anyway, point is that their clothes could very well be fancier and we just can’t tell. Though again, I don’t know why Kevan would be wearing armor if that’s the case, so I’m not sure it’s him anymore.

  209. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Also, I don’t really care about what can happen in real life genetics. My only point is that in the universe of the books it was kind of a big deal and was how Ned came to find out the truth, so internally it makes him look a bit dumb if one of the kids isn’t black haired.

    It’s like people who tried to apply real life multiverse theories to Bioshock:Infinite. What we think in our world is irrelevant. Internal consistency is all that matters. I would gladly accept it if in the world of Westeros certain genes literally always prevail…as long as they always prevail. The absence of that consistency makes Ned look like he jumped to conclusions too quickly. Unless that’s what they wanted to happen, as a foreshadowing of Jon’s true parents. Show that hair color is a poor indication of who your parents are so that people aren’t calling bullshit when that is revealed.

  210. Jordan
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    Someone should ask Bryan Cogman the next time he does an interview if this was the intent, but I tend to assume that Shireen’s hair is lighter because of disease (and will further handwave it that if Ned ever met her, it was before she was sick and she had dark hair then).

    Also, while I don’t think the depiction is necessarily accurate to the book either (he’s not ugly enough and doesn’t have any black in his hair), I find it striking that in the cover for “The Wit AndWisdom of Tyrion Lannister”, Tyrion has hair that looks more Targaryean silver than it does blond.

  211. Ivo
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Here is a nice video about Dubrovnik filming locations: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QAOxWVbudw8

  212. mariamb
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: No, but it might be Pedro talking to MACE ;)

    That’s who it looks like to me.

    Off topic but…
    Great quote over at the Tumblr account by Richard Dormer. http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/57708681855/i-love-beric-its-a-beautiful-part-hes
    “I love Beric, it’s a beautiful part. He’s honourable but dangerous,” he says. ”The Brotherhood Without Banners are rock’n’roll dudes. They’re like Robin and his Merry Men, only not that merry.”

    Have their been any sightings of Dormer, Kaye or McGinley in Belfast?

  213. Auren
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink
  214. jentario
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Auren,

    Either that or the trial.

  215. mariamb
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Auren,

    Either that or the trial.

    I think its either the trial or the duel.

  216. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    That’s definitely a group of Tyrell serving boys off to the right near the tent (see: Cheese Boy). It’s a bit strange that that entire group seems to consist of only men, if it’s practice for the event speculated. They seem to be standing in two lines facing each other though…could be rehearsing movements for an aisle I guess? No idea.

  217. Felt Pelt
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Maybe they segregated the extras for the longer time the women have to go through hair and makeup.

    Or we’re looking at Joffrey’s bachelor party.

  218. WildSeed
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    This link for game of Clothes, is awesome, thanks for posting. Agreed also,
    that Sansa/Tyrion’s wedding exhibited fancier attire .

  219. WildSeed
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been not able to get the Comment Editor to work of late, any explanation ?

  220. Chickenduck
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    The absence of that consistency makes Ned look like he jumped to conclusions too quickly. Unless that’s what they wanted to happen, as a foreshadowing of Jon’s true parents. Show that hair color is a poor indication of who your parents are so that people aren’t calling bullshit when that is revealed.

    Well, in the books we don’t necessarily have consistency in this area either. Don’t know if the Targaryen silver hair genes are supposed to be Sup0r Genes, but not all the Targaryen offspring have the Targaryen silver hair. Which might be important when we see Jon’s true parents – although George has dropped hints about his looking like Lyanna, which might be more important.

  221. stunningsteve
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Concerning the Kevan-debate:
    There was someone wearing his armor at the Sansa-Tyrion wedding feast, however it was not Ian Gelder, too. He can be seen directly after Tyrion’s wooden cock threat standing behind Tywin.
    Therefore the speculation of him being recasted and the fact that he is wearing armor all the time are not absurd.

  222. Lola
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Lya,

    on the casting, extras were asked if they would accept nudity and they describe the scene like a bunch of nude woman taking a bath. I said no thanks.

  223. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 8, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Lola: on the casting, extras were asked if they would accept nudity and they describe the scene like a bunch of nude woman taking a bath. I said no thanks.

    Thanks! Good to know it’s what we suspected it might be. :)

  224. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Rhys: Arthur, HBO’s strengths with original programming relate to their ability to have something for everyone. They are unconcerned with ratings and more concerned with subscribers. I suspect if Newsroom is valued by a unique audience then it will continue for some time. The ratings for Girls are quite low by HBO’s standards, and yet they stick with it, presumably because of it’s unique target audience.

    Newsroom was conceived and is mostly written by Aaron Sorkin, who is somewhat of a deity in the business. HBO will give his show a few seasons (maybe more if an award or two arrives) even if his audience consists of octogenarian film buffs and Olivia Munn-aholics (myself included).

  225. Nezzer
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Lola:
    Lya,

    on the casting, extras were asked if they would accept nudity and they describe the scene like a bunch of nude woman taking a bath. I said no thanks.

    I bet that scene will involve Oberyn.

  226. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    But Dany is there, so he can’t be.

  227. King in the North Carolina
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Glad to hear Dany will likely be nude again next season. But it is incredibly rude of the show to leave Nathalie Emmanuel out of the fun so far! Hope we get to enjoy more of her next season.

  228. Someone passing by
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink

    They are looking for really tall guy to be an extra in a TV series in North Ireland. This sound like a certain character in an important Season 4 scene to me.

    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/extrasni/posts/541985385851388

    If you know someone suitable for this, you can help. They write: “please share this with anyone you think suits the brief”

  229. Darquemode
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Someone passing by,

    Interesting!

    What other athletic and 7-foot tall roles are in this season? Giants?
    This could maybe be the chance for some of those that had casting ideas to replace Ian Whyte as The Mountain. Maybe they need a stand-in or a double for blocking scenes?

  230. Someone passing by
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    (ASOS and Season Four spoilers here)

    Darquemode,

    Well, I am thinking of Mag the Mighty, or an equivalent giant character since I’m not sure there will be Donal Noye in the show. This is because the extra is wanted for shooting in Belfast and not the outside KL locations in Croatia.

    However, they could shoot some scenes in Belfast for Gregor Clegane in Harrenhal to show just how fearsome he is in combat and to set up the duel’s atmosphere in advance. I think also, based on that interview, that Ian Whyte will at least be the voice and face of Gregor in S4.

    But we’ll see. This is just idle speculation.

  231. Jake Umber
    Posted August 9, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    There haven’t been any sightings of them to my knowledge. I’ve been hesitant to say this because, obviously I’m not a reliable source, but I do know that Philip McGinley will be back as Anguy. He responded to a comment I made but then deleted it. My question was if he will be returning in the future, and he said “Yes.” I guess “the future” could be the 5th season, but I’d bet it’s the 4th.

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