Game of Owns: Country Road
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Episode 132 – Country Road

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ACOK Chapter 19: Arya V
And the fellowship continues its unravel, leaving Arya and company desperately fighting hunger, and another podcast for listening.

 

 
 

Discussion Topics
Made it to the cal
Survival food
Cliffhangers
Arry is a girl?
Young people without skills
To yield, or not to yield
Goodbye, Yoren
Owns of the Chapter
Cat Taylor, Monday’s guest!


33 Comments

  1. Lord Davos
    Posted August 16, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Stannis

  2. Roopert
    Posted August 16, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Hodor sits on Stannis.

  3. Lord Davos
    Posted August 16, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Roopert,

    Stannis is epic enough to carry Hodor

  4. A wildling Bastard
    Posted August 16, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink
  5. Furious Winter
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Three fifths of the word “gooch.”

  6. Arthur
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Stannis

  7. Matalomej
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    HBO cast Brendan Glesson in new series The Money.
    The Wrap reports that Irish actor Brendan Gleeson will star as a powerful media mogul named James Castman who uses his wealth and influence to control his family and expand his empire.
    Now I’m starting to believe that Brendan will be cast as Wyman Manderly.

  8. Turri
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    From the next chapter:
    There comes the Harbinger! Cleanse yourselves, the gods cry out, lest ye be cleansed! Bathe in the wine of righteousness, or you shall be bathed in fire! Fire!

    If he turns out to be right in the end, candidate for “own of the book”.

  9. Chickenduck
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Matalomej:
    HBO cast Brendan Glesson in new series The Money.
    The Wrap reports that Irish actor Brendan Gleeson will star as a powerful media mogul named James Castman who uses his wealth and influence to control his family and expand his empire.
    Now I’m starting to believe that Brendan will be cast as Wyman Manderly.

    MOODY!

    He’s great, but if we were casting a Harry Potter alumnus for that role, I’d probably go Timothy Spall.

    There’s been a few actors who played Potter secondary characters who’ve been on GoT now… Ralph Ineson, Ciaran Hinds, who else?

  10. Chickenduck
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Natalia Tena obviously…

  11. sunspear
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck:
    There’s been a few actors who played Potter secondary characters who’ve been on GoT now…Ralph Ineson, Ciaran Hinds, who else?

    Michelle Fairley played Hermione’s mom.
    Julian Glover did Aragog’s voice.
    Ian Whyte did Madame Maxine’s full body shot’s.
    David Bradley was Filch.

    Also, Stephen Dillane’s son played young Voldemort.

  12. Chickenduck
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Filch!!! How did I forget Lord Walder Filch?!!

  13. Chickenduck
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    sunspear: Michelle Fairley played Hermione’s mom.
    Julian Glover did Aragog’s voice.
    Ian Whyte did Madame Maxine’s full body shot’s.

    I knew that Maxime was the Predator, and I think I remember reading that Julian Glover was the Giant Spider (though I didn’t really know who he was back when I watched the Potter films)… but somehow I completely missed that Michelle Fairley was Mrs Granger!!

    I was pretty late to the GoT party, so by the time I saw Catelyn onscreen most of the actors in the secondary and tertiary Potter roles had blurred into the back of my mind.

    Except for e.g. Ralph Ineson who is burnt into my mind as Finchy from The Office, and therefore stands out for me in any role he gets, even if he only shows up on screen for a few seconds.

    Anyways, Timothy Spall for Manderley, please. Though I can see Brendan Gleeson working too.

  14. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 17, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    I do not have a twitter account but I notice in the WiC Tumblr feed that Cat Taylor will be on soon and you asked for questions:

    First, the HBO Viewer’s Guide Appendix has been frozen *since season 3 began* – can Cat get someone to fix this? You can’t scroll down in the “Beyond the Houses” sections and stuff.

    Second, can you forward this link to Cat Taylor? It’s the “Cargo Cult” from Game of Thrones Wiki: a list of 70+ major questions made by the Administrators of Game of Thrones Wiki which are not trivial “Is Theon bad?” type questions, but “okay, Jaehaerys II doesn’t exist in the TV series – how then did the Baratheons intermarry with the Targaryens so we can make an accurate family tree?”

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_Cargo_Cult?t=20130810205047

  15. Chickenduck
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:

    Second, can you forward this link to Cat Taylor?It’s the “Cargo Cult” from Game of Thrones Wiki:a list of 70+ major questions made by the Administrators of Game of Thrones Wiki which are not trivial “Is Theon bad?” type questions, but “okay, Jaehaerys II doesn’t exist in the TV series – how then did the Baratheons intermarry with the Targaryens so we can make an accurate family tree?”

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:The_Cargo_Cult?t=20130810205047

    Some interesting questions there… Regards timeline ‘kinks”, it reminds me of when LOST was in full-swing the way quite a few time intervals didn’t make sense, creating e.g. massive nerd arguments over the exact date of The Purge. Of course, in LOST you eventually ended up needing to accept a few hand waves in basically every area but…

    One question I’ve always had in mind for GRRM (and by extension D&D et al) is whether a “year” in the ASOIAF universe is the same as an Earth year? Like, is it really 450 days instead of 365? This may, for example, affect why the kids seem so mature for their ages.

    It then throws up questions like:

    - Do they have months? They’ve never actually mentioned any dates beyond years AL (except people have regular “name days” so they must be calculating it somehow…)
    - How do they designate their name day? Is Joff’s name day the 38th day of the third fruit bat moon?
    - Is it based on “moons” (as are most cultures’ Earth “months”)?
    - Does their moon have regular phases? Is their “planet” spherical? What are the physics of the variable-length seasons?

    HOW DID THEY EVEN COME UP WITH THE CONCEPT OF “A YEAR” WITHOUT A REGULAR CYCLE OF SEASONS??????!

    That last one has always made me wonder.

    Anyways, I’m looking forward to the episode!

    And great work on keeping the show going… I’ve been on a few podcasts in the past, and we always got bored and sort of stopped around episode 10, so I’m impressed by anyone who can not only pump out 3-4 episodes a week, but keep it going for years (Earth years).

  16. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    For some reason it’s hard to find, but I’m pretty sure GRRM’s said the seasons have a magical reason for being the way they are and we will find out in later books. So if she knows anything about it she will likely be cagey, as will GRRM. But until the answer is given, I just assume their seasons and measurements worked like ours initially, but something happened. Then they continued to measure days and months and such the same way, but the timing of the seasons was different. Possibly related to the maester order’s goals? So my headcanon for now is that it’s similar to if whatever season it is now just kept going on instead of ending when we expect it to. Though I didn’t really think much of it when I first saw the show. I just kind of accepted it as a fact about their world. That’s harder for some than others, I guess.

  17. Chickenduck
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere,

    Oh, don’t misunderstand what I’m saying, I totally accept it as part of their world :)

    I’m just curious, is all…

    General hand-waves and/or “a wizard did it” don’t really bother me as much as some other fans… as long as they eventually show the “wizard” (or whatever) in canon.* Which I assume GRRM will do, as the seasons keep being mentioned as one of the central themes.

    Actually, my best guess was the same as yours – at some point in the distant past, they DID have a regular cycle of seasons (thereby making it possible to reckon in years) but “something happened”.

    (*Same as I really didn’t care about how exactly The Wall cracked in S3E6, as did some others… I mean, GRRM specifically said it was built by magic, so as far as I’m concerned he (and D&D) can make it do whatever he wants it to… Whatever best services the story).

  18. arden
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands,

    Half of those questions made me laugh out loud they are so ridiculous lmao, thanks for that.

  19. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    I mostly just skimmed those “cargo cult” questions but I think some people overthink some things….Do you think the average viewer cares about an accurate family tree, or the specifics of how Robert is a distant relative of the Targaryens, or the specifics of how old Cersei is? I would say most of that list is, in fact, trivial questions in that they are little things that the average person isn’t going to think too hard about, and doesn’t affect their understanding of the show. They’re nice to know, I guess, but most people won’t give two shits.

  20. Kasoroth
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    They could measure years by observing the positions of the stars relative to the sun. One possibility is that their planet is not tilted on its axis (or not as much as Earth is), so they would have little or no annual seasonal weather variation, and days and nights would always be about equally long, regardless of latitude or time of year. Their primary source of seasonal variation would have to be something other than the angle of the planet toward the sun (magic, solar flares, whatever), which could explain why it’s so unpredictable. This would also mean that seasons could be worldwide, rather than Winter in the northern hemisphere being Summer in the southern hemisphere.

  21. Colty
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    A year is measured by how long it takes the Earth to orbit around the Sun. Seasons are formed from the tilt of the Earth’s axis as it orbits around the sun, which isn’t necessarily related to the orbit.

  22. arden
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink
  23. TheBerylfly
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    They actually do have seasons – I remember reading in So Spake Martin that within each for example summer year there would be slightly warmer and colder subseasons
    When asked for reasons for long winters and summers, he just said lolmagic tho

  24. Chickenduck
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Colty:
    A year is measured by how long it takes the Earth to orbit around the Sun. Seasons are formed from the tilt of the Earth’s axis as it orbits around the sun, which isn’t necessarily related to the orbit.

    Yes, but the concept of “years” has existed in human languages waaaaaay before people knew the Earth orbited the sun.

    Ancient societies who thought the world was flat still had “years”, they just measured them by the cycle of seasons.

    Think about it…

  25. Chickenduck
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    I mostly just skimmed those “cargo cult” questions but I think some people overthink some things….Do you think the average viewer cares about an accurate family tree, or the specifics of how Robert is a distant relative of the Targaryens, or the specifics of how old Cersei is? I would say most of that list is, in fact, trivial questions in that they are little things that the average person isn’t going to think too hard about, and doesn’t affect their understanding of the show. They’re nice to know, I guess, but most people won’t give two shits.

    Yeah, I skimmed it, but I thought most of the questions were kind of irrelevant…

  26. Chickenduck
    Posted August 18, 2013 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Also, I thought some of those Cargo Cult questions had already been answered on the show.

    For example, I assumed it was already established as show canon that Loras was the only male heir to Highgarden, thereby making Tywin’s threat of putting him on the Kingsguard have significantly higher stakes. Willas and Garlan aren’t really a huge loss, as they only really had a part to play in the Sansa betrothal story. Although I guess maybe they could matter in books 6/7.

    Some of the others (like the names of the Frey daughters not matching the book) don’t really matter a great deal (and I had a chuckle at Freya Frey, as I also have a daughter called Freya…)

    Regards Cersei’s stories, it’s worth considering that she might just have the details wrong or be making up some of it. In the books, at least one character (Sansa) specifically misremembers certain events.

    Joff’s age might be a dialog error. Or maybe the character who said it was in error.

    Whichever way you look at it, they’re all interesting questions, but I don’t think any really have major plot repercussions. At least not for 98% of the viewership.

    Though the Dragon sigil one I thought was a good pickup… That I would guess is a mistake on the part of the art designers!

  27. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 19, 2013 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Did you know that Julian Glover was the Bond villain Aries Kristatos in For Your Eyes Only, General Veers in The Empire Strikes Back and the villainous Walter Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?

    Also, in the Bond film I mentioned one of Glover’s henchmen was played by…Charles Dance.

  28. Chickenduck
    Posted August 19, 2013 at 5:02 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Chickenduck,

    Did you know that Julian Glover was the Bond villain Aries Kristatos in For Your Eyes Only, General Veers in The Empire Strikes Back and the villainous Walter Donovan in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade?

    Also, in the Bond film I mentioned one of Glover’s henchmen was played by…Charles Dance.

    To be honest, it rings bells, but I wouldn’t have known that off the top of my head…!

    I actually haven’t seen For Your Eyes Only, and though I have seen Star Wars and all of the Indiana Joneses, I have a terrible, terrible memory for actors and faces, unless it’s something I REALLY get into…

  29. Joshua Atreides
    Posted August 19, 2013 at 6:42 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Glover as Veers in Empire…most badass imperial officer ever!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9dMPeKgPROM

  30. Adam Whitehead
    Posted August 19, 2013 at 8:08 am | Permalink

    HOW DID THEY EVEN COME UP WITH THE CONCEPT OF “A YEAR” WITHOUT A REGULAR CYCLE OF SEASONS??????!

    Because the seasons appear to have been normal once but were thrown out of alignment by some event (my guess being the Long Night and the arrival of the Others). So it’s either been maintained by then (and not very well, hence why the number of years that have passed since major events is disputed), or, more likely, they just count 12 ‘moons’ as one year out of tradition.

    All the evidence in the books is that 1 year = 1 of our years. Characters age at more or less the same rate as we do (i.e. the 92-year-old Walder Frey and 101-year-old Maester Aemon are described in the books pretty much as old as people in real life would appear).

  31. Kasoroth
    Posted August 19, 2013 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Yes, but the concept of “years” has existed in human languages waaaaaay before people knew the Earth orbited the sun.

    Ancient societies who thought the world was flat still had “years”, they just measured them by the cycle of seasons.

    Think about it…

    While the seasonal weather changes are a simple way to notice that there is an annual cycle, they’re a pretty imprecise way to actually measure it. One way to measure it (on earth) is to measure the length of days and nights to find the solstices and equinoxes, but this requires accurate time measurement devices. You could also measure the north/south position of the sun’s apparent path, but this requires fairly careful measurement of angle. Both of these methods depend on the Earth being tilted on its axis.

    The easier way to measure the passage of a year without needing any special tools is to track the apparent position of the sun relative to the constellations, as ancient astrologers did. That’s why they came up with all the crazy Zodiac stuff. This method would also work just fine on a non-tilted planet.

    Also, none of these methods technically require you to know that the Earth orbits the sun, rather than the other way around, they just require observation of various repeating phenomena with varying degrees of precision.

  32. Adam Whitehead
    Posted August 20, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    I mostly just skimmed those “cargo cult” questions but I think some people overthink some things….Do you think the average viewer cares about an accurate family tree, or the specifics of how Robert is a distant relative of the Targaryens, or the specifics of how old Cersei is? I would say most of that list is, in fact, trivial questions in that they are little things that the average person isn’t going to think too hard about, and doesn’t affect their understanding of the show. They’re nice to know, I guess, but most people won’t give two shits.

    Important point: the cargo cult is on the GoT Wiki, and the Wiki is meant to coallate as much info as possible about the show. Wanting exhaustive details is therefore understandable. I don’t think we’ll ever get answers to a lot of those kind of questions (the writers probably don’t have time to worry too much about that level of detail), but there is certainly no harm in asking.

  33. I'mHungry
    Posted August 21, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Stannis

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