Angolan actor Hoji Fortuna reportedly joins the cast
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, Rumors.

UPDATE: According to HBO, Hoji Fortuna has NOT been cast. At least, not as anything other than an extra. A featured extra with one or two lines, at most. So definitely not Brown Ben Plumm and probably nothing at all.

IndieWire blog Shadow and Act is reporting that Angolan actor Hoji Fortuna has joined the cast of Game of Thrones. Unfortunately, the role is being kept under-wraps for now (shocker!).

Fortuna has worked mostly in African and Portuguese cinema up until now, although he did have one brief appearance on US TV in the short-lived series Pan-Am.

Fortuna has been teasing on his Twitter and Facebook that he will be heading to Croatia to film sometime soon. That narrows down his role to one in the King’s Landing or Daenerys storylines. Speculation points to Brown Ben Plumm, a sellsword captain who Dany encounters in her travels. There are a number of other more minor characters that Fortuna could play though and there is always the chance that he is a newly created character.

Winter Is Coming: I’m really hoping he is Plumm as he matches the image I had of the sellsword almost perfectly. What does everyone else think?


288 Comments

  1. Matt
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Hodor.

  2. Ser Bro
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    HODORRRR!

    Has to be Plumm, no?

  3. The Young Wolf
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    That looks like a Brown Ben Plumm to me!!!

  4. Valar Melisandris
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Had to research who Ben Plumm was, cause I did not remembered him at all.
    But yeah, the description fits.

  5. Ashley
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    YES! And i’m happy because Brown Ben should be totally badass and cool!!!!

  6. Khal Frodo
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    He’s actually the recast of Daenerys. Good choice, can’t wait to see him with the blonde wig on.

  7. Bard
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Brown Ben Plumm, no doubt about it.

  8. Abyss
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Here is his showreel.

  9. Neil
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m thinking they might want to drop the “Brown” from his name for TV. They get enough guff about race on this show.

  10. Loki
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Let me guess. Grey worm recast? Oh boy

  11. ebevan91
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    He’s definitely BBP in my opinion.

  12. Scales On Blackfish
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Since show Daario is the leader of the Second Sons, I wonder what company show Brown Ben Plumm will be in. It’ll be weird if he’s another Second Sons leader since Daario killed both his co-captains.

  13. Cary Storm
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:04 pm | Permalink

    Strong Belwas! It is known.

  14. Coltaine777
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Welcome aboard BBP….

  15. Loki
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Scales On Blackfish:
    Since show Daario is the leader of the Second Sons, I wonder what company show Brown Ben Plumm will be in. It’ll be weird if he’s another Second Sons leader since Daario killed both his co-captains.

    Stormcrows, of course

  16. Rygar
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Snoop Dogg for Brown Ben

  17. Auren
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Great! A Angolan actor!! :D Ben Plumm certainly.

    But I was so surprised when I search his name in IMDb… he had a role in a Portuguese TV Series “Morangos com Açucar”, I mean, that show really sucks… The biggest trash I ever seen on TV…

  18. House Snow
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    I was wondering when we would start to hear some of the castings for DAny storyline. She is pretty much in a new place so it would see like quite a few new people would be added to her arc.

  19. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Scales On Blackfish: Since show Daario is the leader of the Second Sons, I wonder what company show Brown Ben Plumm will be in. It’ll be weird if he’s another Second Sons leader since Daario killed both his co-captains.

    I hope he is a major SS (or SC) player. As long as they keep his Targaryen connection and his “friendship” with the “white” dragon (Viserion), I’m good….that would be cool to see the dragon recognize him by blood/smell.

    I wonder if they’ll delve into the history of the SS at all? Am I hoping/expecting too much?

  20. who even?
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Yessss one of my people! :)

  21. GeekFurious
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    I heard he’s playing the recast Tyrion.

  22. The Flayed Man
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Although my dream casting for Brown Ben will always be Clarke Peters, I am delighted at how perfectly Monsieur Fortuna fits my visualization of the character. Great news (if indeed he is BBP).

  23. Endless Giraffe
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Recast of Myrcella

  24. Greg
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Yay, another POC character! That’s, what, five now? *sighs*

    Ben was my first thought, he definitely matches the description. A Dornishman, maybe part of Oberyn’s crew, is also a possibility. Or maybe they’re introducing Areo Hotah a little early? OR maybe they’re racebending another character?

    I just really hope he’s not another recast. Jacob Anderson is awesome as Grey Worm, he doesn’t need a replacement! And besides, this guy looks way older, it’d be a bit weird for Grey Worm to age a few years all of a sudden.

  25. Greg
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    The Flayed Man,

    LESTER FREAMON!

  26. Broken Wolf
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:26 pm | Permalink

    He certainly looks Ben Plumm – ish to me. Now, all they have to do is cast Belwas and COLDHANDS and it’ll be almost a complete cast for this season. Seriously, if another season goes by and the two most badass characters in these books don’t even get a mention, I will go Mountain on somebody.

  27. The Flayed Man
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:29 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    All the pieces matter.

  28. Valyrian
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Recast Cersei

  29. janarchy
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    I’m hoping he’s Ben Plumm since it’s a bigger, and longer, more involved role, but is it possible that they’re moving Sam, Gilly and Maester Aemon’s story forward, and he’s Quhuru Mo, Captain of the Cinnamon Wind? So far, we haven’t seen or heard about any Summer Islanders at all.

  30. Rygar
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    Senator Davis

  31. Colty
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Is it just me or has casting for this season been extremely frustrating? With all of the secrecy and recasts…blagh

  32. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    I just had a little bit of a freak out, not because of the actor but because BROWN BEN PLUMM IS ON THE SHOW!!! :DDDDD AHSFDAKJSDVF

    He has to be Brown Ben, there is no other option (or else… *shakes fist angrily*)

  33. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Wait, I just checked his twitter and he mentions ‘preparing for a trip to King’s Landing’. Maybe not Brown Ben? :(

    But then again maybe he just means Croatia when he says King’s Landing, which wouldn’t rule Ben out…

  34. May
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    i agree. Recast Cersei now and get someone who is not haggard looking and is a bad actress who acts with her jaw

  35. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:52 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I read that more as a poetic reference. Everyone considers Dubrovnik to be the stand-in city for “King’s Landing.” He’s headed for Dubrovnik. That’s where they start, then they’ll move to Split in Sept. He mentions Split on his facebook page, oddly enough.

    https://www.facebook.com/ActorHojiFortuna

  36. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Ser Tahu, I read that more as a poetic reference. Everyone considers Dubrovnik to be the stand-in city for “King’s Landing.” He’s headed for Dubrovnik.

    Kettleblack, then?

  37. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    You misunderstand me. I’m saying it doesn’t matter, it’s just a poetic reference. He may not actually be filming as part of the “King’s landing” storyline. He isn’t in Croatia yet, and it seems like he may be more likely to be part of the Split portion of filming, which is more Dany-centered.

  38. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: You misunderstand me. I’m saying it doesn’t matter, it’s just a poetic reference. He may not actually be filming as part of the “King’s landing” storyline. He isn’t in Croatia yet, and it seems like he may be more likely to be part of the Split portion of filming, which is more Dany-centered.

    Actually, I was trying to make a funny…tough crowd.

  39. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    They’ve recast Arya! Damn you HBO! This guy looks nothing like Arya Stark, and it’s a guy!

  40. Maester Tcost
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    One of the best things about Pan Am was its casting.

    I would have thought that Ben Plumm, Brown or otherwise, would seem old and world-weary, while this man is remarkably handsome and magnetic. If he’s a good enough actor he could still pull it off, but I would have expected someone partly bald or at least gray-haired. Maybe he could be Hotah (along with the Red Viper for some reason, one more link from King’s Landing to the Dorne storyline) or fill the equivilant role of a Kettleback or even Balon Swann?

  41. Arden
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    If this is indeed Plumm I’m glad that they are keeping him in. The more minor characters the better imo, plus the dragons like Brown Ben

  42. Eddard Stark II
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Are there gonna be recasting jokes on every one of these from now on?

  43. Dougie
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Has to be Brown Ben Plum! He’s way too imporant to certain characters storylines (beyond Daenerys I mean) to leave out!

  44. A Man Grown
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    A man needs a wiretap.

  45. Dougie
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Arden,

    Brown Ben is not minor depending on which character you are talking about.

  46. Dougie
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Maester Tcost,

    That’s a good point. I was thinking Brown Ben for sure. But I guess it could be because I want Brown Ben Plum to be involved in the story for a couple of big reasons. He would be an even better Areo Hotah though!

  47. Darquemode
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Interesting!
    Surely Brown Ben, right?

    I guess technically they could have decided to introduce Jalabhar Xho, but at this point why? Unlikely I think

    Although they could be making Meereen more PC and changing one of the dark amber-skinned Ghiscari roles to black/ Summer Islander ancestry? I guess it’s possible….

  48. Davidbc
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Hizdahr zo Loraq anyone??????

  49. WildSeed
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    He’s got that ” Sellsword look “, from the pose he gives. Wouldn’t want to make
    him cross in any way.

  50. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Dougie:
    Maester Tcost,

    That’s a good point. I was thinking Brown Ben for sure. But I guess it could be because I want Brown Ben Plum to be involved in the story for a couple of big reasons. He would be an even better Areo Hotah though!

    Also a good possibility, with respect to Hotah. I was considering Ben Plumm for the
    same reason, I’m anxious to know that he’s to be cast, and his connection to
    the story. I’m not for rushing events, though.

  51. Hodoreo
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:26 am | Permalink

    In before nerds crying that HBO is racist for calling him ‘brown’ ben plumm. Some of you need lives seriously. I think it’s important to definitely introduce Brown Ben Plumm at this point because he becomes important at the end of ADWD.

  52. JamesL
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Valyrian,

    Recast “Yara”

  53. Dickon Manwoody
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:36 am | Permalink
  54. Turncloak
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    If hea Ben I cant wait for this line: There are bold sellswords and ther are old sellswords, but there are no old, bold sellswords

  55. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:01 am | Permalink

    He has a *shocking* resemblance to official artwork of Brown Ben Plumm – the warm eyes really nail it.

    (outside chance of Jalabhar Xho, but why introduce him now?)

  56. Zack
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    Yeah, that shot is very much leading me to think it’s Brown Ben. Very close to how I pictured him.

    Welcome!

  57. The Dragon Demands
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    Endless Giraffe:   
    Reply

    Hodor’s Bastard
    Posted August 30, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink
    Scales On Blackfish: Since show Daario is the leader of the Second Sons, I wonder what company show Brown Ben Plumm will be in. It’ll be weird if he’s another Second Sons leader since Daario killed both his co-captains.

    I hope he is a major SS (or SC) player. As long as they keep his Targaryen connection and his “friendship” with the “white” dragon (Viserion), I’m good….that would be cool to see the dragon recognize him by blood/smell.

    I wonder if they’ll delve into the history of the SS at all? Am I hoping/expecting too much?

    I worry about them recasting Myrcella, but on the other hand, if you hear how they originally cast her – she was just a stand-in in Season 1′s table reads but they liked her so much they signed her on full time. She has the “look” of a young Cersei. Frankly there’s less chance of her being recast than Tommen.

  58. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:20 am | Permalink

    I hope it’s Plumm. Unless they recast the Mountain yet again? Or maybe he’s Lady Stoneheart?

  59. KG
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    (outside chance of Jalabhar Xho, but why introduce him now?)

    Don’t fool yourself. He’ll be on the Iron Throne when all this is done.

  60. Atomix
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Why would Hotah be black? Why do people suggest that? Norvos is in northern Essos. That is the Ron Pearlman role ala Drogo’s Father in Conan. This guys is the Ben Plum of my dreams. Grey his hair a little and with the Angolan French inspired accent of his and he’s perfect.

  61. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    I’m always wary of jumping to conclusions and proclaiming that certain roles have been cast. I still don’t understand why they are being so secretive about most of the casting announcements. If this guy is Brown Ben, then why not announce it? If Joseph Gatt is Styr, why not confirm it?

  62. TheNorthRemembers
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:10 am | Permalink

    Say hello to the new Drogon.

  63. jaime's wench
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    He Is Kettleblack!!

  64. Summer Is Coming
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Ben Plumm. It’s to early for Moqorro right?

  65. patchface
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    I think they will cut Plumm. They already made Daario a second son which was stupid. He could be Jhalabar Xho (lol)

  66. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Summer Is Coming,
    Moqorro would be season 6, or late season 5 (depending on how they adapt AFfC+ADwD).

    My personal prediction is Tyrion’s season 5 arc ends with him and Jorah boarding the ship, with Moqorro being introduced in the season 6 premiere.

    So yeah, my money is on Plumm

  67. TheBerylfly
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    Don’t get your hopes up so much, people. Remember the Valsteria? He can be Brown Ben, definetely, or he can be a random Meerenese or Yunkao guy who sells figs in front of Dany’s pyramod

  68. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:23 am | Permalink

    patchface,
    Daario being in the Second Sons in the show doesn’t necessarily mean Brown Ben is cut, he could easily appear with the Stormcrows (so it will end up being like the books, just with the names of the sellsword companies swapped). And how else will they keep Daenerys interesting this season without her getting too far ahead? If she just walks up to Meereen and it has little to no defences, and she takes the city with ease, it would make rather boring television.

    TheBerylfly,
    Another Val like situation is always a possibility, but still, it’s Brown Ben Plumm… :P

  69. Athelstan
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:54 am | Permalink

    Greg,

    On that note I still think that Dominic West would be a good fit in GoT. Euron or Victarion possibly!

  70. Athelstan
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    Atomix: Why would Hotah be black? Why do people suggest that? Norvos is in northern Essos. That is the Ron Pearlman role ala Drogo’s Father in Conan. This guys is the Ben Plum of my dreams. Grey his hair a little and with the Angolan French inspired accent of his and he’s perfect.

    Angola was a Portugese colony. An even more exotic accent!

  71. Felix
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    Maybe he’s just playing a random prostitute

  72. ForgottenFace
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    Auren:
    Great! A Angolan actor!! :D Ben Plumm certainly.

    But I was so surprised when I search his name in IMDb… he had a role in a Portuguese TV Series “Morangos com Açucar”, I mean, that show really sucks… The biggest trash I ever seen on TV…

    It might be the biggest trash you have ever seen on TV, but it was the only one catering to the young adult and teenage audience. Sure, it was badly written, but there was a lot to take from it and the only one that age group could connect with and not feel like they were being talked down to.
    Want to talk about trash TV, talk about all the reality shows and talk shows that plague our TV at the moment – if you want to watch a movie or a tv series, you have to get cable, buy it, download it, or go to the cinema.

    Can’t wait to see Fortuna on GoT, I don’t remember ever seeing anything from him, but his face is familiar. His picture make him look fierce.

  73. Arkash
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:05 am | Permalink

    Brown Ben Plumm most probably.

  74. Selmy
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    Is he black enough for you??

  75. Arkash
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:23 am | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II:
    Are there gonna be recasting jokes on every one of these from now on?

    Probably, but doesnt matter, they’re still funny for the moment.

  76. hargrind
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Scales On Blackfish,

    Daario, the leader of the Second Sons dies off-screen and Plumm takes over. The new Daario is the leader of the Stormcrows and is not in any way related to the first Daario.

  77. bon
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    Atomix,

    You probably don’t know it, but Angola is Portuguese speaking country!!!

  78. LustyArgonian
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Quhuru Mo should first appear in Dany’s stoyline before he relays dragon exposition to Sam

  79. Mescalinic
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:19 am | Permalink

    Slim Strong Belwas. i still believe that Brown Ben is not going to appear in the show.

  80. The Blue Grace
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    He could also be playing someone who wasn’t black to begin with, so – lots of possibilities, really. Anyway, hope it’s a substantial role!

  81. idkk
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 8:00 am | Permalink

    Brown Ben is elected the leader of the Second Sons after Mero dies, this poses no problem for the show as Daario took him and Prendahl out last season. Brown Ben could easily be introduced as one of the new commanders this upcoming season.

  82. Arden
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Dougie,

    You’re right this dude is important if he wasn’t cast I was gone from the show

  83. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Mescalinic,
    Wait, let me get this straight, you think that Brown Ben, who has a significant impact on some major storylines, will be cut while Belwas, who is utterly insignificant and has been confirmed to be cut, is cast? That makes absolutely no sense at all, and that is ignoring the fact that Brown Ben is just generally a more interesting and well written character who would translate to screen much better that Belwas.

  84. Eljuma
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Nonsense! Morgan Freeman is the real BBP! Show’s RUINED FOREVER!!!!!

    /kidding

  85. NewJeffCT
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I think it’s got to be Brown Ben Plumm…

  86. Udi
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink
  87. arden
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    People who are believe Brown Ben isn’t a minor character HOW? This dude tells history and is part of a prophecy that isn’t even acknowledged on the show. The only thing of note this guy does of is recruit Jorah and Tyrion

    Is Steelshanks a minor character? He contributes a significant amount more to the plot than the Plumm but no doubt you would call him “a minor character”

  88. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    arden,
    He greatly changed the dynamics and balance of power in the Meereen-Yunkai conflict, and is likely to play a significant role in the battle of Meereen, and in the situation immediately following that battle. Steelshanks is just there as Jaime travels from point A to point B. Seems like a role worth casting to me, and he would bring much more to the show than Steelshanks (who was in one short scene), or Belwas.

    Just for the record, I consider Brown Ben to be a minor character. It’s just that in the scope of minor characters he is far more important than most, and is definitely more important that Steelshanks and Belwas.

  89. Richard casey
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Could be a recast of Sallhador Saan

  90. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Richard casey,
    If Salladhor was to appear again it would be at Dragonstone, which is filmed in NI. Hoji is filming in Croatia, so I think we can rule that out.

  91. arden
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I forget Plumm gives Dany the advice to use the sewers for Meereen as well but I won’t argue that Plumm is going to get important.

    Steelshanks also delievers Fake Arya safely to the North, Sees her wed which is definitely important, breaks up the fight between Manderly men and the Freys and actually saves Jaime and Brienne’s life by killing Hoat’s bear. All very key important plot pieces in the story, at least in my opinion, maybe just I’m a steelshanks fanboy

  92. Turri
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:11 am | Permalink

    Doran Martell?

    *ducks*

  93. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    probably is brown ben plumm be great news if they cast him, and this season especially, which would be the equivalent to where he shows up in the books (a rare thing for a minor character)
    Still, with the shows knack for casting black actors for characters that aren’t black to cater to black audiences more wouldnt rule out it being someone other character
    But not a recast lol

  94. Erik
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    They probably recast Bronn.

  95. Eddard Stark II
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 11:08 am | Permalink

    Athelstan,

    YES!

  96. dio westeros
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    Clearly a Greyjoy.

  97. Delta1212
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Diana Rigg was only available for half the shooting schedule, so he’s acting as her replacement for all the scenes she didn’t have time to film.

  98. loco73
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    If he is Brown Ben Plum that much better…whoever he ends up playing, welcome to the cast Mr. Fortuna! Good luck and all the best…

    PS Hmmm fucktard quota increase alert….yep indeed!

  99. The Onion Knight
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Well I’m glad that Jalabhar Xho has finally joined the cast. Hopefully we’ll have a scene where Cersei explains to Joffrey how under Robert’s reign he would come once a year requesting things and always be told “next year”.

  100. imlad
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:02 pm | Permalink

    As long as Moqorro is played by Idris Elba I will be happy.
    Ser Tahu,

  101. moophasa *PB*
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    Dye his hair a bit grey, give him a good costume and he’ll be the perfect Ben Plumm!

  102. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    imlad:
    As long as Moqorro is played by Idris Elba I will be happy.

    He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

  103. Arkash
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Gimme Djimon Hounsou for Moqorro !

  104. Marty MacFly
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Brown Ben seems very possible, but probably he will just be a minor character. Noho Dimittis / Tycho Nestoris from the Iron Bank of Braavos maybe?

  105. Kyrenna
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Brown Ben Plumm definitely was my first thought upon seeing this guy. If it’s true, I’m instantly looking forward to Danys storyline a lot more.

  106. Loki
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury, why not? because you said so? what are you, his agent? if he will be willing to play someone in got (and i think every modern actor dreams about it) he most certainly will get a desired role

  107. spacechampion
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:
    (outside chance of Jalabhar Xho, but why introduce him now?)

    Well, as just another of Margaery’s accused lovers for one reason. Another might be that Dany and Victarion land in the Summer Isles and takes Red Flower Vale (with dragons, possibly very quickly), and will place him back as ruler there if he doesn’t resist the Summer Isles being annexed into Dany’s empire.

  108. Ren Snow
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Recast Sansa obviously…

    now seriously, he could also be Oznak zo Pahl, though Ghiscari ethnicity seems to be going more into middle-eastern

  109. Pau Soriano
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

    You’re right…and they’re not gonna recast The Mountain either!

    Oh wait…:P

  110. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Atomix:
    Why would Hotah be black?Why do people suggest that? Norvos is in northern Essos. That is the Ron Pearlman role ala Drogo’s Father in Conan.This guys is the Ben Plum of my dreams.Grey his hair a little andwith the Angolan French inspired accent of his and he’s perfect.

    Settle down. There are a number of people suggesting this actor portray Ben Plumm
    , for obvious reasons based on his complexion. Yet this notion alone does not
    limit this actor to roles of that sort. Why not Aero Hotah ? Why not not any role
    that Fortuna’s acting strengths is suited for. Since most , if not all of us here
    have never traveled to Northern Essos, we’ll not brag on being experts of travel
    to that area, however if we hoped to we’ll look you up.

    My geography class from primary school taught us that Angola is a former
    Portuguese colony, however Mr Fortuna may very well speak fluent french
    as many non US citizens do.

  111. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    There’s no reason why Fortuna couldn’t be someone like Areo Hotah. (Though personally, I think we won’t see Hotah, if at all, until we go to Dorne.) There are a lot of possibilities, why not kick around some ideas.

    Pau Soriano: You’re right…and they’re not gonna recast The Mountain either!

    Oh wait…:P

    What does recasting the Mountain have to do with getting a highly sought-after, well-paid actor like Idris Elba to accept a small role role in a TV series? You don’t have to be his agent to know that Elba would not play a tiny role on GoT. A major role, maybe. Obviously he’s not opposed to TV, but he’s a big name these days.

  112. Idaan
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Why is Ben Plumm called “Brown” anyway? Do the books explain that, or is it random semi-racist remark?

  113. The Blue Grace
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Idaan,

    Most of the sellswords have incredibly clever nicknames: “the titan’s bastard” – someone who is from Braavos and doesn’t know his father. “pretty meris(?)” – a hardened female leader with scars and cut off breasts, who will hardly fit the conventional idea of “beauty” anymore. “brown ben plumm” – a guy who is, my gods, dark of skin. It tells you something about these people – they are not very nice, and in their environment family names aren’t enough to make you distinctive. On the contrary, I’d bet.

  114. Abyss
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Off-Topic:
    Found this interesting picture from the set on tumblr. Seems legit to me, but I can’t figure out what the strange lines in the ocean are… – Some sort of CGI?

  115. Ronin
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    there is a big ad in the middle of winteriscoming.net main page! how do i remove it?

  116. The Blue Grace
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    No idea about the lines, but judging from Cersei’s dress, that’s from Season 2. She wore this dress for Myrcella’s departure. It’s very distinctive, because she usually almost never wears blue, and since it is by now the main Tyrell colour, I doubt she’ll return to the dress in Season 4.

    Ronin:
    there is a big ad in the middle of winteriscoming.net main page! how do i remove it?

    Adblo*k works, if you have Firefox.

  117. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    That picture is from last year (or before?). A bunch of s2/3 photos have gotten mixed up with S4 ones by some of the Croatian press, unfortunately.

    Ronin,
    I’m not seeing that myself but I’ll let Winter know, so he can take a look.

  118. The Blue Grace
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I think it’s from Season 2. I admit, I’ve been a little obsesssed with this specific dress, it’s so gorgeous! But dressing in blue would of course look like Cersei agreed with the Tyrells, so it’s of course a good character choice to have her ditch it. Still… *sigh*

  119. Abyss
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace,
    Ours is the Fury,

    Well, that’s a shame. – I thourght it looks somehow familiar.

  120. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    Yeah Lena’s not even in Croatia yet. She arrives tomorrow, she mentioned on instagram to Pedro Pascal.

  121. Pau Soriano
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    There’s no reason why Fortuna couldn’t be someone like Areo Hotah. (Though personally, I think we won’t see Hotah, if at all, until we go to Dorne.) There are a lot of possibilities, why not kick around some ideas.

    What does recasting the Mountain have to do with getting a highly sought-after, well-paid actor like Idris Elba to accept a small role role in a TV series? You don’t have to be his agent to know that Elba would not play a tiny role on GoT. A major role, maybe. Obviously he’s not opposed to TV, but he’s a big name these days.

    The connection is that you always state your opinion as facts, wich I found profoundly funny, specially ’cause you can be proven wrong

    You can just as easily say “I don’t think he will be played …” instead of ” He won’t be played as…”, wich is not only safer, but more elegant…just saying ;)

  122. Ours is the Fury
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Oh, you wish I would state my opinion in a weaker, more uncertain fashion. Yeah, that really isn’t going to happen. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. ;)

  123. Al Swearengen
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Cool beans.

  124. bolger
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Auren,

    Yes he was in “Morangos com Açucar” and “Malucos do Riso” and he was not very good in that two series

  125. House Mormont
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    I’m only 70% through Storm of Swords, so I’m not too sure how he’s important

    but it would make sense that he’s in this season since Danys first chapter after Yunkai involes
    1) his introduction
    2) Belwas’ duel which he could take over
    3) Council meetings which he could be in
    4) Then the Titan’s Bastards Attack
    5) Jorah’s spying being revealed

    That might all be split over a few episodes as her previous SoS chapters were in Season 3

  126. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Idaan:
    Why is Ben Plumm called “Brown” anyway? Do the books explain that, or is it random semi-racist remark?

    Let’s just make an obvious guess, perchance to say that there are more than one
    man named Ben….. he is the main one that matters…….. yes the brown one,
    specifically. The other sellswords, and there were many about, do not get
    special mention. Lucky for Brown Ben. I’m personally not offended by this
    distinction, as I do not believe that to be the author’s intent.

  127. Chickenduck
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    In the spirit of this week’s news…

    …he’s the recast Grey Worm.

    (Hope not… Jacob Anderson was great, and DJP said he spoke by far the best Valyrian of any of the actors).

  128. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Idaan, Most of the sellswords have incredibly clever nicknames: “the titan’s bastard” – someone who is from Braavos and doesn’t know his father. “pretty meris(?)” – a hardened female leader with scars and cut off breasts, who will hardly fit the conventional idea of “beauty” anymore. “brown ben plumm” – a guy who is, my gods, dark of skin. It tells you something about these people – they are not very nice, and in their environment family names aren’t enough to make you distinctive. On the contrary, I’d bet.

    I appreciate your valiant and appropriate response to a comment that was trying to make something out of nothing….which happens all too often, unfortunately.

  129. Pau
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Pau Soriano,

    Oh, you wish I would state my opinion in a weaker, more uncertain fashion. Yeah, that really isn’t going to happen. We’ll just have to agree to disagree. ;)

    Being polite doesn’t make you sound weak or uncertain, quite the opposite…the day you understand that you’ll be a better moderator ;)

  130. Bard
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Let’s just make an obvious guess, perchance to say that there are more than one
    man named Ben….. he is the main one that matters…….. yes the brown one,
    specifically. The other sellswords, and there were many about, do not get
    special mention. Lucky for Brown Ben. I’m personally not offended by this
    distinction, as I do not believe that to be the author’s intent.

    I think it’s because the Plumms are a white Westerosi noble family. Ben as a distinct relative has a mixed heritage, so he’s the “brown” Plumm.

  131. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: In the spirit of this week’s news……he’s the recast Grey Worm.(Hope not… Jacob Anderson was great, and DJP said he spoke by far the best Valyrian of any of the actors).

    Had me worried by the use of “was” in your comment.

    By the way, anyone think that the actor’s actual name could be a character in ASoI&F? Hoji Fortuna…sounds like a bounty hunter or sellsword’s name. Cool.

  132. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    I’ve not heard that before. I recall from ADWD, that Plumm has some Valyrian
    and/or Targaryeon ancestry
    , but no recollection of Westerosi. When time
    proves essential to re-read , as do many here, I’ll study those passages a bit more.

  133. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Ours is the Fury: Though personally, I think we won’t see Hotah, if at all, until we go to Dorne.) There are a lot of possibilities, why not kick around some ideas.

    Really ? First you misquote Ours is the Fury, then obfuscate your intent to merely
    insult. When a person prefaces their comments with ” though personally, I think..”
    it’s not the same as adamantly insisting on their statement as Fact. Take a note
    from your own post to just ” be polite “.

  134. arden
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Ours is the Fury: He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

    Is the statement in question and it comes off very condescending in my opinion.

  135. Greg
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Athelstan,

    Dom West would be an awesome Jon Connington. Jason Isaacs and Ray Stevenson for the Greyjoy bros!

  136. Greg
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Atomix,

    If Thoros of Myr can be white as sour cream when Myrish people are clearly described as darker skinned, then Areo Hotah can be black.

  137. B
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    I’m excited! Someone from the diaspora, I am Cape Verdian, makes it onto GOT! He better be good. Represent! (Not that one person ever represents a whole culture) I hope they also cast some Summer Islanders that show up in later books. I won’t spoil where but book readers know.

    Anyway… Very excited about all the new cast members.

  138. WildSeed
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    arden:
    WildSeed,

    Is the statement in question and it comes off very condescending in my opinion.

    I understand your point, and I placed little emphasis on this particular statement,
    for a reason. However, I could see how a person may become sensitive to the
    comment. Some months ago, Idris’s name among other actors, were bandied about
    for various roles ( I believe it was the subject of Dorne, but don’t quote me ).
    Discussions were both thoughtful and reasonably opinionated as to whom would
    further the perspective of the character, with respect to the show or book premise.
    Much was debated, lauded and chided for, and in the end, exhaustive. I believe
    Ours is the Fury participated as did many frequent posters, including myself.

    To me it was a reintegration of what had been said, numerous times. One commenter,
    I recollect , stated then that Idris Elba’s career is white hot, and only paused to
    give a nod to BBC’s ” Luther ” series. It would be my hope that someone like
    Giancarlo Esposito expresses interest in portraying Doran Martell, however my
    specific knowledge of the film industry is limited compared to some here. I’m
    sure there are a number of suitable actors that would portray the role of Doran,
    in the fashion that GoT production would prefer.

  139. Rygar
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    Charlie Cox for Arys Oakheart

  140. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

    No, he won’t.

    The only way Idris Elba gets on Game of Thrones is if the producers decide to start over, and cast him as Eddard Stark. That’s the only way it works. Otherwise, the guy – who happens to be starring as Nelson Mandela in a movie coming in the next couple of months – is on his way to becoming a huge star.

    However, Addewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, aka Simon Adebisi from Oz, would be a perfect choice.

  141. Gobias of HouseBluth
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Esposito is a possibility, although he is pretty full up right now. I would agree that Elba would be a reach. So much of Hollywood billing is based on timing, and right now Elba is “on”. Season 6, who knows. But I don’t see any available roles that are beefy enough for Elba’s current billing.

    That being said, for a show like GoT, I find the most memorable characters are those played by previously unknown actors. It allows them to actually become the role, rather than being associated with their previous work.

    IDK. Just my personal opinion.

  142. Arkash
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    However, Addewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, aka Simon Adebisi from Oz, would be a perfect choice.

    AAA might be a great choice, but damn, I so want Djimon Hounsou on the show and he’d be a great great Moqorro !

  143. Ser Tahu
    Posted August 31, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Gobias of HouseBluth,
    I forgot about Giancarlo Esposito. Before this he was actually my hope for Brown Ben. Perhaps he could end up as Moqorro, even though he doesn’t fit my mental image for the character.

  144. Turncloak
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Giancarlo will make the perfect Doran Martell. He was one of the highest paid actors when he was on breaking bad. No point on casting him as a minor role

  145. Jentario
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Well, he doesn’t look one bit like I imagined Doran.

  146. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,
    Jentario,
    I agree, he doesn’t look like the Doran I pictured. Also, I don’t think he could ever pass as Pedro Pascal’s brother.

  147. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 1:47 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Pedro, who ? After those brief scenes of a singular season, few
    will remember him. Oberyn’s history is important , with respect to
    laying the groundwork for the larger premise of Dorne, where
    his older brother sits . It would be different if GoT invited some historical
    flashback of lady Lyanna and her brother’s hellbent fury for revenge,
    but viewers won’t see that nor find it relevant. The primary consideration
    onscreen is THE duel, and for then later connections to Dorne,
    where the game of politics is put into play.

    Actor Pedro Pascal will follow his script and all will be well. When we all
    tune in that evening, then we may critique his performance. My expectations
    of significance, however , rates indifferent…… just like that for Gregor.

  148. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: Addewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, aka Simon Adebisi from Oz, would be a perfect choice.

    This actor was my first or second choice for Moquerro. After such a meteoritic rise
    in popularity from his menacing role in Oz, he’s suffered several forgettable roles.
    I was very moved by his short bout on network television’s ” Lost “, that he reigned
    first in my mind’s eye for the GoT role.

    Djimon Hounsou would perfect any role he was selected for, but I hope the
    lesser known Akinnuoye-Agbaje get the pick.

  149. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Gobias of HouseBluth:
    WildSeed,

    Esposito is a possibility, although he is pretty full up right now.I would agree that Elba would be a reach.So much of Hollywood billing is based on timing, and right now Elba is “on”.Season 6, who knows.But I don’t see any available roles that are beefy enough for Elba’s current billing.

    That being said, for a show like GoT, I find the most memorable characters are those played by previously unknown actors.It allows them to actually become the role, rather than being associated with their previous work.

    IDK.Just my personal opinion.

    If the Greyjoy clan had been darker in complexion , other than dark haired,
    Idris Elba would be my pick for Euron. In fact, for the same principle, he’d
    simply kick ass for Jon Connington. However, as GRRM asserts in the books,
    this idea would not fit the framework of the noble families he’s laid out.
    Elba would own any role given, but he excels at being an alpha.

  150. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:11 am | Permalink

    Gobias of HouseBluth:
    WildSeed,

    Esposito is a possibility, although he is pretty full up right now.I would agree that Elba would be a reach.So much of Hollywood billing is based on timing, and right now Elba is “on”.Season 6, who knows.But I don’t see any available roles that are beefy enough for Elba’s current billing.

    That being said, for a show like GoT, I find the most memorable characters are those played by previously unknown actors.It allows them to actually become the role, rather than being associated with their previous work.

    IDK.Just my personal opinion.

    I agree. I hope that whomever gets to demonstrate the role onscreen, that he Owns
    that script, or try to rise above it to make it memorable.

  151. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:17 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    The audience will remember the Red Viper, oh yes, they will remember. I think he will be much more of a focal point to the season then you seem to. The character is arguably the most popular non-major character in the books. I see no reason why that won’t be the case in the show.

  152. JamesL
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Aimee Richardson uploaded this vine with Issac https://vine.co/v/h5ePQjLmwgB
    Does that mean she is filming this season and we will see Dorne? or she will go to Kings Landing with Oberyn. Also whats with the short hair on Issac? I noticed they gave Jaime Lannister a hair cut this season too, I know he shaves his head in the books and I can understand him getting a hair cut when he gets back to Kings Landing but I prefer a longer haired Jamie. I don’t understand why they would give Bran shorter hair this season though. Does he go beyond the Wall and get a hair cut? I liked shaggy haired Bran.

  153. OldeCrone
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    I don’t want to be a misery but to the folk saying any actor would want to be on GoT I read that Gillian Anderson (don’t know what part) and Dominic West (who they wanted for Manse) declined roles because they didn’t want to be away from young families. Also it seems like Jennifer Ehle didn’t mind doing the pilot but didn’t want to commit for longer. I’m part-way through the books so I’ll wait and see who this newest recruit to the cast plays.

  154. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    JamesL,
    Unless I am very much mistaken, Aimee lives near Belfast so her hanging out with cast members in the area wouldn’t necessarily mean she is filming. Also, she said in a reply to someone that she is good friends with Isaac, so them hanging out is no surprise.

    So no, I don’t think she is filming. And I also highly doubt her role will ever be recast. She is good friends with many of the cast members (especially the Stark kids), she very much looks the part, and apparently the reason she was brought back for season 2 was because D&D liked her in season 1 (don’t quote me on that one though, I only read that in a comment either here or at Westeros). EDIT: I believe she also still appears at Cons as part of the GoT cast.

    As for Isaac’s hair, my assumption was that he wears a wig for the role, because he has shorter hair in all of the photos I have seen of him from outside the show.

  155. Varamyr 4 skins
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Loki,

    Why would they recast someone who doesn’t even look the same. Nah its brown Ben.’

  156. boze
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: EDIT: I believe she also still appears at Cons as part of the GoT cast.

    As did Callum Wharry: http://winteriscoming.net/2011/09/titancon-day-one-a-new-hope/

    And he was brought back for S2 as well, with more lines than Aimee.

  157. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Pau Soriano,

    Really ? First you misquote Ours is the Fury, then obfuscate your intent to merely
    insult. When a person prefaces their comments with ” though personally, I think..”
    it’s not the same as adamantly insisting on their statement as Fact. Take a note
    from your own post to just ” be polite “.

    Sorry mate but it’s you that are misquoting me ;)

    arden:
    WildSeed,

    Is the statement in question and it comes off very condescending in my opinion.

    Exactly, and as I also referenced, and Wildseed conveniently ommited, I was mainly talking about The Mountain recast-gate, were Ours Is The Fury has been admonishing (to put it lightly) us for months for asking Ian Whyte to be replaced, to the point of being plainly rude, and surprise!, he ended up being recast ;)

  158. Ser Duncan Selmy
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    well that is a big lie …

    most of this actors work was on portuguese television not angolan

  159. Chickenduck
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:44 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Bard,

    I’ve not heard that before. I recall from ADWD, that Plumm has some Valyrian
    and/or Targaryeon ancestry
    , but no recollection of Westerosi. When time
    provesessential to re-read , as do many here, I’ll study those passages a bit more.

    Bard is correct. House Plumm (his direct paternal line) is a Westerosi noble house sworn to the Lannisters.

    Brown Ben is a distant cousin of the current Lord Plumm, with a great deal of non-white ancestry (Summer Islander, Dothraki, Ibbenese etc) mixed into his Westerosi heritage.

  160. Chickenduck
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Ser Duncan Selmy:
    well that is a big lie …

    most of this actors work was on portuguese television not angolan

    Would be more accurately be called a “mistake” than a “lie”.

  161. Loki
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    JamesL,
    its still 3 months till the Iceland filming begins, he’ll grow it back

  162. The Laughing Storm
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:39 am | Permalink

    In ancient times, people would lend each other nicknames based on appearance and characteristics. Say for example, the name Caesar. It took on an entirely different form later in Roman history, but it originated as a family named that referred to someone with “a full set of hair”. There are other historical nicknames like those Vikings gave to eachother, referring to one’s hair color or even skin, none of which were meant to be inferred negatively (or even racist).

    It maybe Brown Ben Plumm was given the alias as a jest or a joke. I wouldn’t imagine the leader of a mercenary company would proudly wear an insult in front of others. Not sure but it might even be part of his name. Some cultures given their children names as well as titles that go along with it. Say like Smalljon Umber in comparison to his father.

  163. The Laughing Storm
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    I had previously assumed Brown Ben Plumm was cut from Dany’s storyline with the Daario debacle. It would be refreshing to have him in the fray finally, if the rumors are to be believed. Nevertheless, Hoji Fortuna will be a great addition to the cast.

  164. DeadClever
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Didn’t Martin say that Belwas was not going to be in the series? Or do I dream too much about GoT?

  165. Jentario
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    DeadClever,

    He said that Bekwas was officially cut from season 3. He might still show up, but tbh I doubt it.

  166. The Laughing Storm
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    DeadClever,

    He indeed did. On more than one occasion. Though if they could have someone named Strong Belwas fighting in the pits of Meereen, as Belwas once did, when Dany’s storyline gets there, now that would be a good nod to the readers and to his character.

  167. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    DeadClever,
    Jentario,
    After the season 3 premiere where Barristan showed up without Belwas, a fan asked him on Livejournal whether it means Belwas has been cut from the series, to which he replied “Correct.” I took that to mean Belwas has been cut from GoT entirely, not just from the 3rd season.

    But if Belwas does show up, my guess is that it will be as a pit fighter in Meereen. My personal hope is that he will be one of Hizdahr’s guards when Dany leaves, and will be the one killed by Barristan when he arrests Hizdahr, so people will finally shut up with the whole “WHERE STRONG BELWAS??!1! ME NEED BELWAS!!11!” thing. :P

  168. boze
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Good idea.. and they should have Barristan taking a shit on his corpse after that. ;-)

  169. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    My theory about Pedro. I keep wondering why they wouldn’t have captured a local European actor for the role of the RV. Instead they nabbed someone brimming from the Hollywood television talent pool. Pedro is set for an arc on the Homeland series soon and will of course be Oberyn Martell. Methinks D and D etc chose Pascal because of a) his talent b) it’s a potentially star making performance/role and c) they want us to see the character not the big name actor who will play him.

    As for Doran Martell…Jimmy Smits all the way.

  170. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    Miguel Prado as Doran Martell? That’s a good idea. I would settle for him if they can’t get Edward James Olmos (who, coincidentally, was also a Dexter antagonist :P).

    Or even better yet, Erik King plays the part. He just walks onscreen, says “Surprise, Muthafucka!” then immediately leaves never to be seen again… Basically what I’m getting at is that Doran Martell is a Dexter antagonist :P.

  171. JamesL
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Loki,

    I think they are filming most of his scenes in Ireland.

  172. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    Some off-topic stuff:
    1) Isaac (Bran) recently had a twitter conversation with Kristian Nairn (Hodor) saying that they would see each other soon, and recently appeared in a vine with Aimee Richardson (Myrcella) who I believe lives in the Belfast area. Does this essentially confirm that they are about to start filming Bran’s season 4 stuff?

    2) Speaking of Bran, Isaac just tweeted a photo of him and Art Parkinson (Rickon) hanging out. Does this confirm that Rickon will be in season 4, or does Art just live in the area like Aimee?

    3) Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen V2) just tweeted that he was recognised by a group of people (although not specifying what he was recognised for). It makes me wonder if they really will get away with bringing back Martyn Lannister as the new Tommen…

  173. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    The RV is ‘meh’ to you? Really? I beg to differ. The RV’s story and need for vengeance (and secrets behind his story) is one of the critical plot devices in the series, involving many families throughout Westeros, not just Dorne folk. As TP stated earlier, the RV will be remembered and will probably be the focal point of KL activity after his arrival and especially after the PW. The passion demonstrated on this site and other sites after Pedro was hired was not for naught. Folks care about this character. Think of the interactions that we’ll have…Tyrion/RV (!), Olenna/RV (!), Tywin/RV (!), Cersei/RV, Ellaria/RV, Jaime/RV, Mountain/RV (!!!)….the elaborated history and emotions will be great to see and relive.

    Only 211 more days to wait!

  174. Loki
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    JamesL, why? dont they tell us year after year about the importance of natural landscapes and unacceptability of computer generated ones?
    they are going to need a lot of fake snow if this is true.

  175. Carne
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Art Parkinson is filming ‘Dracula’ in Belfast.

  176. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: 3) Dean-Charles Chapman (Tommen V2) just tweeted that he was recognised by a group of people (although not specifying what he was recognised for). It makes me wonder if they really will get away with bringing back Martyn Lannister as the new Tommen…

    Chapman is famous in a small way for a BBC children’s show and also starring in Billy Elliott in the London West End for a long time, so he has his own following of young people. He mentioned it was a group of eleven year olds who recognized him. I doubt it has anything to do with GoT.

  177. DaIronPrice
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Idaan,

    I hate liberals

  178. dohor
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Hodor also mentioned he’s going back to filming.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ll give Bran shorter hair this season.
    Isaac’s older and shorter hair would suit him more

    Speaking of Isaac, he’s going to be in this year Titancon along with other cast members

  179. Carne
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    And Luke Barnes (Rast) is also currently filming in Belfast.

  180. The Young Wolf
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    I don’t know why I’m so excited to have Brown Ben on the show, but I am!!!!!!

    Can’t wait till he betrays Dany!

  181. boze
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink
  182. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    boze,

    Looks like a grotesquely tacky House Lannister wedding decoration to me. There’s also a pathway in Gradac Park decoration with red, gold and possibly some green streamers across the path, so I believe it’s part of Joff & Marg’s wedding.

  183. Cary Storm
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    DaIronPrice:
    Idaan,

    I hate liberals

    I hate non-sequitors

  184. Loki
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    boze, this looks like
    something that disney would produce, not HBO.

    The Young Wolf:
    Can’t wait till he betrays Dany!

    but wasn’t it revealed yesterday in that tyrion chapter that… well, nevermind.

  185. Berndlmeister
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    LustyArgonian,

    Agreed. The role of Quhuru Mo also has potential for expansion. Doesn’t Arya and the musician also make contact? In Braavos?

  186. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    The Young Wolf: I don’t know why I’m so excited to have Brown Ben on the show, but I am!!!!!!Can’t wait till he betrays Dany!

    That, and I hope a number of other betrayals . “Winning” ain’t that easy, Dany!

  187. Mescalinic
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    actually, i’ve always said that i thought none of them would have been in the show.

    about the ‘significant impact’ of Brown Ben, i absolutely disagree :)
    there’s NO characters that’s ‘important’ in ADWD (’cause the only real ‘plot significance’ of Uncle Ben is in ADWD) that cannot be deleted.
    lady Dustin -> deleted
    every single Meereenese idiot -> deleted
    everyone in the Shy Maid except for Aegon and Connington (and maybe, ma just maybe, Lemore) -> deleted

    ..and so on. i mean, can someone really say that they cannot find some other way..some FASTER way, some better (speaking on a storytelling pov) to get Tyrion to Dany?

    point is, there’s a big difference between ‘plot usefulness‘ (for example “getting Tyrion to Dany“) and ‘atmosphere/storytelling usefulness‘ (for example “giving Tyrion a great ‘sparring partner’ for dialogues and a ‘ethic problem to think about‘). so you can delete Brown Ben without losing anything at all, but you can’t delete Bronn without losing a lot of meaningful, great scene. :)

  188. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Mescalinic,

    Through character combos, betrayals and his Targaryen/Lannister background, BBP will probably have a lot more impact on GoT than in the books (thus far…remember D&D know more than us philistines).

    At least, I am hoping BBP is drawn in an impactful manner on the show.

  189. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    Oh wow, my question from a few days ago about weirdly shaped wooden details in the park got answered

  190. Mescalinic
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    oh, yeah, that’s an entirely different thing, and i agree…but they will have to almost entirely change his role in the story (or, better, to greatly increase his importance, merging other characters in him and others’ actions).
    but still, a waste of time and space, imho :D

  191. Greg
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Mescalinic,

    They better not cut Lady Dustin! Her interactions with Theon, Roose, and Ramsay are awesome!

  192. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I think Lady Dustin is in. House Dustin/Barrowton has been mentioned at least 3 times in the show already. I also think Lady Dustin has a role to play in book 6 and beyond. Gillian Anderson is my dreamcast for her.

  193. Defur45
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    If he is in Kings Landing than he has to be Jalabhar Xho. He is too young to be Brown Ben Plumm, and maybe they are setting up Margaery’s and Cersi’s trail earlier than expected ??

  194. Ashara D
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

    While I don’t agree with the way Pau and Loki approached this, I do think that they have a point about this dismissive statement. It is precisely BECAUSE it is a smaller role that Idris might consider it. It would give him a chance to be associated with a pop culture phenomenon (never bad for a career); it is a decidedly different role (most actors don’t get to play weird over-the-top priest/seers); and the commitment is minimal. I submit Sean Bean as an example of just such a situation.

    Also, some actors go for the feel of a show/script rather than the size of the part which, if he is a fan, could make a difference in his playing a role as well. If a huge actor/actress decided that he/she wanted to play a particular role badly on GoT and he/she was “right” for it, D & D would be fools to turn him/her down, assuming money didn’t get in the way–big assumption in Hollywood, but it could happen. No one here is Nina Gold or anyone’s theatrical agent (that we know of anyway) so every post should be treated as playful speculation, especially by a moderator.

    Having said this, I’m in the AAA camp for Moquorro…and am intrigued by the thought of Edward James Olmos for Doran too. Great suggestions!

  195. House Snow
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Greg,

    I think Lady Dustin is in. House Dustin/Barrowton has been mentioned at least 3 times in the show already. I also think Lady Dustin has a role to play in book 6 and beyond.Gillian Anderson is my dreamcast for her.


    Really, I don’t remember her being mentioned. What episode/scenes?

  196. Ashara D
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    House Snow: Really, I don’t remember her being mentioned.What episode/scenes?

    Arya in a scene at Harrenhall with Tywin.

  197. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Greg:
    Mescalinic,

    They better not cut Lady Dustin! Her interactions with Theon, Roose, and Ramsay are awesome!

    Very true, with respects to her important links to these characters…… well, she
    even has relevant history to the Starks as well. She’s also a dynamic
    woman, whose presence at first put me in a state of panic, similar to that of
    lady Stoneheart. Dustin is hell bent on revenge. I would be disappointed
    if her character were eliminated or replaced by another stratagem on GoT, but
    I’d not be surprised as it’s been done before. One way or another, I’ll just have to
    tune in to the episode to see what’s done.

  198. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: I hate non-sequitors

    (:

  199. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    WildSeed,

    The audience will remember the Red Viper, oh yes, they will remember.I think he will be much more of a focal point to the season then you seem to.The character is arguably the most popular non-major character in the books. I see no reason why that won’t be the case in the show.

    Perhaps……… to some. I used to feel the same for Donal Noye and a number
    of others. Gregor Clegane is a forgettable vicious brute, to me, but I’ll not
    diminish his larger than life presence, to those who’d encounter him. His
    commanding book presence among towns and villages are one aspect
    of fear about him, on GoT he’s reduced to a Big -Time-Wrestler -type ( WWC ).
    Yeah, I can forget that, easy. Others may express differently, no
    worries.

  200. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    WWC ( world wrestling council ) type , that kept in check at Kings Landing. That’s
    all the image I have. Many people will love this, no problem with that. I am
    Indifferent.

  201. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Bard is correct.House Plumm (his direct paternal line) is a Westerosi noble house sworn to the Lannisters.

    Brown Ben is a distant cousin of the current Lord Plumm, with a great deal of non-white ancestry (Summer Islander, Dothraki, Ibbenese etc) mixed into his Westerosi heritage.

    Thanks Chickenduck. Am I incorrect about the Valyrian connection , also ?

  202. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Hodor’s Bastard, WWC ( world wrestling council ) type , that kept in check at Kings Landing. That’sall the image I have. Many people will love this, no problem with that. I amIndifferent.

    …but, but, but I came here for an argument. And I already paid my $5!!!!
    ;-)

  203. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: The connection is that you always state your opinion as facts, wich I found profoundly funny, specially ’cause you canbe proven wrong

    You can just as easily say “I don’t think he will be played …” instead of ” He won’t be played as…”, wich is not only safer, but more elegant…just saying ;)

    In your own words…….. And Fury’s ,,,,,,, both of which I’ve used above.

  204. Jentario
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I’m fairly certain you are correct.

  205. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    The Laughing Storm,

    Agree. I still know of a family friend that’s nicknamed ” teeny “, even though
    he’s grown into a very large man. This is common , as well as naming someone
    after an animal that matches their personality. I have one, that was given to me
    as a child, for nickname. In some cultures, this is unusual , as US and certain
    Eurocentric countries prefer revising the person’s forename. It took me decades
    to figure out forenames vs nicknames, in that respect. It still remains confusing
    to me, as I’d never encountered this before moving to the US.

    Brown Ben, Yellow Rabbit, it’s all in a name.

    WildSeed: Lucky for Brown Ben. I’m personally not offended by this
    distinction, as I do not believe that to be the author’s intent.

  206. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: …but, but, but I came here for an argument. And I already paid my $5!!!!
    ;-)

    ( : No refunds given if there is a TKO, in the first bout *>*

  207. Jentario
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Ahhhhhh. That explains why Natalia Tena said she doesn’t know if she’ll appear in season 4 in an interview just a couple of weeks before filming began. So no Rickon and Osha this season :(

  208. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I like Jimmy Smits, he’s done some fine work, especially in those detective
    series. I just don’t see him as a true thinking man, a strategist, as Doran
    proves to be. He may fit the exterior criteria, as some here continue to
    scream about, but then again, so would actor Esposito.

    WildSeed: It would be my hope that someone like
    Giancarlo Esposito expresses interest in portraying Doran Martell, however my
    specific knowledge of the film industry is limited compared to some here. I’m
    sure there are a number of suitable actors that would portray the role of Doran,
    in the fashion that GoT production would prefer.

  209. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    I was wondering too, thanks for the reference, Ashara.

  210. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Carne, Ahhhhhh. That explains why Natalia Tena said she doesn’t know if she’ll appear in season 4 in an interview just a couple of weeks before filming began. So no Rickon and Osha this season :(

    Odd…I hope not. Ramsay knows about Bran and Rickon…perhaps S4 will exploit this knowledge with a mad search for them before the Moat Cailin business? D&D could do a lot more with this than GRRM did, imo.

  211. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    That’s another way of perceiving what occurred , however there have been
    many here whom have expressed their sentiment in an emphatic way as well.
    Sometimes the intent is just reflecting a passionate response, but it affects
    anyway when read. I’ve personally been disparaged, shut down, encouraged
    and held in accord. I enjoy Limericks and Satirical Wit, but I have misinterpreted
    when reading online here. The best I’ve discerned from, is from Pattern of
    responses. There is definitely a pattern here.

  212. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Watch Dexter, Sons of Anarchy. Hell even his Bail Organa in the SW Prequels is Doran-esque.

  213. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    Arya/Tywin convo “The Ghost of Harrenhal”

  214. Robar
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Morgan Freeman would have been the best choice for Brown Ben, but I know that would be impossible.

  215. Enfield
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Just because no one mentioned it, I’ll put it out there: too early for the Kindly Man?

  216. Chickenduck
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Thanks Chickenduck. Am I incorrect about the Valyrian connection , also ?

    No, you are correct. Somewhere in there he has one or two Targaryen ancestors also.

  217. Ser Duncan Selmy
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Would be more accurately be called a “mistake” than a “lie”.

    yea you are right … my mistake

  218. Ashara D
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Yep. I agree, which is why I responded to that particular post as opposed to something like Robar’s above. Mods should ENcourage discourse, not DIScourage it. I’m all about the fun…
    On Doran:
    I’m not on the Jimmy Smits bandwagon…and Giancarlo is still doing his thing on Revolution, so there could be conflicts. I see Doran as older and wiser (in the wizened sense, not the smart sense) than the RV, so was intrigued by the EJO suggestion and the suggestion on another thread for Ian McShane to do the role. He’s such an animated guy, though, I think that it would be hard for him to do the unflappable, brooding Doran without seeming twisted and evil. It might go a little Al Swearingen at times…but that would be funny too!

  219. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Okay. I began watching Dexter just last year, with my current Showtime
    Network cable package. He must have demonstrated roles in previous
    seasons. As sinister as he’s attempted in the older roles that I’ve seen,
    he still leaves me me with the impression of nice guy. It’s probably me
    that’s Typecasting him, though.

    Not sure what SW prequels stands for. South-west ?

  220. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Uh….SW= Star Wars. Smits played Senator Bail Organa of Alderaan, the adopted father of Leia Organa in the prequels.

  221. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Ian Mcshane as Doran? I can see it. Just substitute the Indian Chief’s head for Ser Gregor’s skull and you have Al Swearengen of Sunspear!

  222. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    SW= Star Wars.

    Smits was in season 3 of Dexter.

  223. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    WildSeed,

    Yep. I agree, which is why I responded to that particular post as opposed to something like Robar’s above. Mods should ENcourage discourse, not DIScourage it. I’m all about the fun…
    On Doran:
    I’m not on the Jimmy Smits bandwagon…and Giancarlo is still doing his thing on Revolution, so there could be conflicts. I see Doran as older and wiser (in the wizened sense, not the smart sense) than the RV, so was intrigued by theEJO suggestion and the suggestion on another thread for Ian McShane to do the role. He’s such an animated guy, though, I think that it would be hard for him to do the unflappable, brooding Doran without seeming twisted and evil. It might go a little Al Swearingen at times…but that would be funny too!

    When Esposito’s name was suggested by another poster, some time ago, it gave
    me pause, as I was only familiar with his much earlier ” wise ass ” performances.
    I suggested someone else, whom I’ve already forgotten, btw. Since then, I’ve
    viewed all seasons of ” Breaking Bad ” as suggested by many here ( via marathon
    showings ), and I must agree that he’s a strong contender.

    Ian McShane is a fine actor and no stranger to HBO productions, but has a
    tendency to reproduce the same type portrayal to most of his roles.

    Whomever is chosen, it just may come down to the ” how ” the GoT production
    wishes to have Doran depicted.

    In reference to the moderators here, there is much tolerance
    from all of them, to the point where I’d hoped for more
    intervention. Seasoned posters appear to recognize their
    limits, if not common courtesy. Some posters show up
    here to goad or vent their preconceived agendas.

  224. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    WildSeed,

    SW= Star Wars.

    Smits was in season 3 of Dexter.

    I cannot believe a person of your intelligence and background as a writer,
    would even mention Star Wars -PREQUELS……….. to any one . I am
    disparaged by this ! Probably Mr Jimmy Smits as well.

  225. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Ashara D,

    Ian Mcshane as Doran? I can see it. Just substitute the Indian Chief’s head for Ser Gregor’s skull and you have Al Swearengen of Sunspear!


    LMAO

  226. The Loon
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Auren,

    Everyone’s gotta eat

  227. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Hence the word of the use “hell” as in “hell even his Bail Organa was Doran-esque.

    FYI: I know the prequels are weak but I am a SW fan so I had to watch them.

  228. The Loon
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    I always hear people clammering for famous actors to fill roles…with the exception of Sean Bean and Dinklage (relatively famous) Nina Gold tends to go with unknowns (relatively) so Scully and Smits won’t be options…look to HBO’s stable of prior talent…I expect many more Rome alums to be cast

  229. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    How come Anderson was offered a role before season 1 began but couldn’t do it because of family priorities? Or the fact that she’s been cast by Nina Gold more than once?

    Smits is a stretch, but Anderson is a possibility I wouldn’t rule out.

  230. Chickenduck
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    On the topic of Doran, I could see Jimmy Smits as Pedro’s elder brother.

    I only really remember him well from S3 Dexter – and Doran could work as a mellower version of that character. Though if there was any chance of getting Esposito that’d be ace.

  231. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: In your own words…….. And Fury’s ,,,,,,, both of which I’veused above.

    No you didn’t ;)

    You are misquoting me again and it’s getting annoying, but I see were you’re mistake isat…the words you used from Ours are not the one’s I was referencing, as Arden said in the post just after yours

    I was talking about The Mountain, and Moqorro, not Hotah…read all the exchange again and you’ll see what I mean ;)

  232. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Uh….SW= Star Wars. Smits played Senator Bail Organa of Alderaan, the adopted father of Leia Organa in the prequels.

    Hell ? I better read your comment again, perhaps further up.

  233. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck:
    On the topic of Doran, I could see Jimmy Smits as Pedro’s elder brother.

    I only really remember him well from S3 Dexter – and Doran could work as a mellower version of that character.Though if there was any chance of getting Esposito that’d be ace.

    True, although I don’t believe actors must resemble each other enough, to be
    regarded as siblings. The only thing GoT Viserys resembled Danerys for
    was their platinum hair ,but I get your point in general.

    WildSeed: Whomever is chosen, it just may come down to the ” how ” the GoT production
    wishes to have Doran depicted.

  234. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    WildSeed,

    Hence the word of the use “hell” as in “hell even his Bail Organa was Doran-esque.

    FYI: I know the prequels are weak but I am a SW fan so I had to watch them.

    I viewed one of the prequels on the tele, starring Liam Neesom and Natalie Portman.
    I only read the bad press in the news, and here especially in Northern California,
    where Georg Lucas lives. He went on record here, expressing concern for the
    backlash, with respects to the fandom. I learned that he no longer has any thing to
    do with the series, but that didn’t stop harsh fan criticism thrown his way. I say,
    give the man a break !

    May the force be with you, Joshua…… and remember……. not too much of the ” spice “.

  235. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: You are misquoting me again and it’s getting annoying, but I see were you’re mistake isat…the words you used from Ours are not the one’s I was referencing, as Arden said in the post just after yours

    I was talking about The Mountain, and Moqorro, not Hotah…read all the exchange again and you’ll see what I mean ;)

    Pau Soriano: The connection is that you always state your opinion as facts, wich I found profoundly funny, specially ’cause you canbe proven wrong

    You can just as easily say “I don’t think he will be played …” instead of ” He won’t be played as…”, wich is not only safer, but more elegant…just saying ;)

    I read ALL. Do the quoted responses help ? It’s these that I responded to….. and I
    read Fury’s also. Anywho, that’s that. Let’s move on to more edifying discussion.

  236. WildSeed
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:09 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: He won’t be played by Elba or anyone that famous. Moqorro is a small role and Idris Elba plays leading role in TV shows and major supporting roles in films. That’s not a part he would even consider.

    Somehow this did not get included in my post above….. I may have hit ” send ” too
    soon.

  237. Pau
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    I read ALL. Do the quoted responses help ? It’s these that I responded to….. and I
    read Fury’s also. Anywho, that’s that. Let’s move on to more edifying discussion.

    Well in your first post you said that I misquoted Ours, wich I didn’t, that my intent was merely to insult, wich it wasn’t , that Ours used the words ” though personally, I think..”, wich she didn’t in her first post, the one I first responded to, and that I was not being polite, wich I was…so you can understand what I would take offense with your words ;)

    But yeah, let’s move on ;)

  238. JamesL
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    DaIronPrice,

    You hate GRRM?

  239. Darquemode
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    After reading a few suggestions for Doran I thought I would toss out a few Doran candidates I thought of after the casting of Pedro Pascal as Oberyn….

    Tony Plana
    Alfred Molina
    Demián Bichir (maybe busy with projects?)
    Cliff Curtis (maybe too young but he does play older)

    Although I still think that Homayoun Ershadi and Alon Aboutoul would be great as Doran!

  240. DH87
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Late to the discussion, but Idris Elba seems to be the second lead in a feature film (with A-listers Sean Penn and Javier Bardem), The Gunman, filming now in Spain, and is about to star in and produce Beasts of No Nation, another major independent film, immediately thereafter. Following that are No Good Deed and Thor: The Dark World. I think his dance card is filled for this GOT season.

    Fassbender, Hardy, and Elba are the three hottest U.K. actors in Hollywood. Any of them could have been gotten four years ago for just about any GOT role (they all have some clunkers in their pasts) but they’re untouchable now.

  241. DH87
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    A very realistic get for GOT would be John Hannah, most recently seen in Spartacus but a familiar face from Four Weddings and a Funeral, the DirecTV series Damages, and a long list of other character roles. Unless he’s cast in Outlander (all Scottish actors seem to be in the running for that Starz series), he’d fit a number of roles. Speaking of which, I’d be surprised if Rory McCann doesn’t find a role in Outlander if GOT scheduling permits. It’s being filmed in his home town.

  242. Carol
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Congratulations to GRRM and the gang on winning the Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form) Hugo Award for “Blackwater”!

  243. Jordan
    Posted September 1, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    I’ve thought that it might be possible to get Elba if he was so inclined, based on the fact that he previously did a series with HBO, and the Thor sequel is directed by GOT alumnus Alan Taylor (incidentally, Clive Russell- The Blackfish- is in it).

    So, while I agree Elba is probably too big of a star at this point, he has some “connections” that could theoretically persuade him.

  244. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Darquemode: Homayoun Ershadi and Alon Aboutoul would be great as Doran!

    Molina as well. All good choices for Doran. Are these new contenders that you’ve
    come up with ? I recall vaguely that you and several others, some time ago, had great
    choices for the role. Someone other than you, suggested Esposito, whom I debated
    a reasonable choice at the time of mention. I thought he was too young and perhaps
    not commanding enough. Since his role on Breaking Bad, his name is one of
    the few I’m still entertaining, with exception to Ershadi and Aboutul.
    That is, unless Brian Cranston wants the job badly enough ( :

    I like Molina, and he would definitely own the role, but I just have a difficult time
    placing him with Doran’s humble demeanor .

  245. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    DH87,

    Whoa *>*

  246. Darquemode
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Some I came up with and some others mentioned I guess..
    I like Esposito a lot, but never saw him in the role of Doran. He would nail I’m sure, because he is just that good! XD

    I’m still quite curious as to how they will handle Dorne. Which roles will be cast and how they will cast them as far as ethnicity (Sand Snakes in particular). I thought this year may provide some clues, but I feel just as uncertain as before honestly. Oberyn is an American (ok via Chile) and then Indira is exactly who the majority of people pictured as Ellaria… That wide range does not limit much… Which is good honestly!

  247. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 1:32 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I pictured Alfred Molina as Doran while reading. So he has my vote.

  248. King DBC
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Seriously though, what is that Aladdin looking lion head thing??? I just don’t see that fitting into the show!

  249. Ronin
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    There’s a big ad in the middle of the page, which makes winteriscoming.net totally unreadable!

  250. Lady of Highgarden
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Ronin:
    There’s a big ad in the middle of the page, which makes winteriscoming.net totally unreadable!

    THIS! Also, since these adds showed up my mouse cursor flickers strangely on this site and I don’t think it’s my problem, because it only happens on winteriscoming.net.

  251. Scudder
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:16 am | Permalink
  252. Scudder
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    Scudder,

    Well, The Rabbit beat me on the other thread.

  253. boze
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Scudder,

    5/10: Gregor’s sword? That thing looks huge.

  254. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    King DBC,

    Looks like a tacky over the top decoration for the royal wedding. The kind of thing you would see on a Shakespearean stage.

  255. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Scudder,
    The one thing I am not liking about these photos is the lack of Martell banners

  256. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Why would there be Martell banners? It’s a trial by combat for the man accused of killing the king. Oberyn is fighting in Tyrion’s name. The lion and stag gives it the official seal. It’s not a tourney.

  257. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    Fair point. I am just desperate to see what they do with the Martell sigil. :P

  258. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Doubtless we will see it when the Martells enter Kings Landing.

    Very soon we will probably have a glimpse of Pedro in costume. And for that I am anxious to see what they do. In my experience however I have found the costumes always looked a hundred times better in the finished product as opposed to on set shots and featurettes. So I will withhold my judgement until we get a full idea on the finished product. Although this approach kind of sucks the life out these boards. What’s the point of having a discussion without knee jerk “no one understannnnds!” reactions?

  259. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Lady of Highgarden: THIS! Also, since these adds showed up my mouse cursor flickers strangely on this site and I don’t think it’s my problem, because it only happens on winteriscoming.net.

    Had the same problem…The Rabbit kindly pointed me to ADblock, wich is a plugin that works like a charm for Firefox

    Pretty annoying, nevertheless…

  260. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Also half my posts appear with my facebook avatar, and the other half with my gravatar one, at least in my computer…I don’t mind but people will start to think that I suffer from a severe case of Dissociative Identity Disorder :P

    EDIT: Checking from my phone all appear under the gravatar one, so must be my laptop’s firefox..weird

  261. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    WildSeed,

    I pictured Alfred Molina as Doran while reading. So he has my vote.

    Molina is fairly versatile in his role selections, from Julie Taymar’s ” Tempest “,
    to” Spiderman” villain. I’m pretty sure I’ve seen him in serious roles that require
    less menace as well. Amazingly, I feel he excels at dark comedy. Therefore, he’s
    not the actor I would hope for the role, both in acting strengths or appearance.
    I believe the selection will be contingent upon the way the GoT wants Doran
    Martell depicted. We’ll learn soon enough.

  262. Jentario
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    The issue with addblock is that it prevents WiC.net from earning money they deserve (since they are a free service) and that is necessary to keep the site up and running. When you’re checking out a site you really appreciate (or a YouTube Channel, for that matter) you should temporarily turn off Addblock.

  263. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    WildSeed,

    Some I came up with and some others mentioned I guess..
    I like Esposito a lot, but never saw him in the role of Doran. He would nail I’m sure, because he is just that good! XD

    I’m still quite curious as to how they will handle Dorne. Which roles will be cast and how they will cast them as far as ethnicity (Sand Snakes in particular). I thought this year may provide some clues, but I feel just as uncertain as before honestly. Oberyn is an American (ok via Chile) and then Indira is exactly who the majority of people pictured as Ellaria… That wide range does not limit much… Which is good honestly!

    The whole premise with Dorne would have to be approached carefully, with a fine
    central cast and essential story. I’m fairly certain the outcome will be different
    from any anticipation I had while reading. In attempting such levity, from the
    original plot, the Game of Thrones production may choose to release info very
    gradual, given the common uproar among fans when revisions are afoot.

    That said, Primary characters, like Doran will set the stage for ongoing narrative.
    Just whom gets to portray Doran will be talk for fans & bloggers, yet I hope
    it’s a actor for the role whose demonstrated good command of a patient and
    politically focused character. I hope it’s big name , and appropriate complexion
    as well. The Martell sisters will likely fall into place, whomever is chosen, but
    Arianne must be chosen wisely. I entertained Lynn Collins, for Arianne, largely
    for her physical transformations ( ” John Carter ” / ” Woverine ” ) and energy.
    I’m sure there are many more actresses to consider, though, Zuleika Robinson
    (and a couple of actresses of African descent ) is the only
    other I can think of.

    I’m anxious for Dorne, but I’m in no hurry to rush the story, for now. There’s already enough, for the moment. I’m wondering
    if we’ll learn of more Greyjoy storyline beforehand.

  264. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Pau Soriano, The issue with addblock is that it prevents WiC.net from earning money they deserve (since they are a free service) and that is necessary to keep the site up and running. When you’re checking out a site you really appreciate (or a YouTube Channel, for that matter) you should temporarily turn off Addblock.

    Please be prudent regarding that advice, J and others. The type of web-adverts that are being “sold” here and on many other websites use a technology known as XSS (cross-site scripting). This allows a 3rd party site to run dynamic scripts on another’s webpage. It is the root enabler for many viruses and phishing techniques on the web these days. AdBlock and other more robust virus checkers do the trick….but so does internal browser settings to “turn off” XSS support.

    If you’re going to turn on/off AdBlock for each website you “trust”, you’re going to be quite busy. Personally, I prefer the safer, passive adverts…but that is so “old school.”

  265. Pau
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Please be prudent regarding that advice, J and others. The type of web-adverts that are being “sold” here and on many other websites use a technology known as XSS (cross-site scripting). This allows a 3rd party site to run dynamic scripts on another’s webpage.It is the root enabler for many viruses and phishing techniques on the web these days. AdBlock and other more robust virus checkers do the trick….but so does internal browser settings to “turn off” XSS support.

    If you’re going to turn on/off AdBlock for each website you “trust”, you’re going to be quite busy. Personally, I prefer the safer, passive adverts…but that is so “old school.”

    Plus I can’t read the articles with the fucking add in the middle of the screen :P

  266. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Pau: Plus I can’t read the articles with the fucking add in the middle of the screen :P

    Yeah, with my aggressive virus checkers and firewalls configured tightly there is now an unsightly “Website not found” msg in place of the former dynamic banner ad. Usually that is a sign that adjustments are being made…hopefully for the better.

    Of course….WiC could just tell us what is going on under the hood…

  267. Negan's Iron
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I dunno, guys. He is also a perfect match for the Braavosi banker in my mind’s eye. But BBP is a good guess, too.

  268. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Negan’s Iron: I dunno, guys. He is also a perfect match for the Braavosi banker in my mind’s eye. But BBP is a good guess, too.

    Too soon, too soon!

    Honestly though, you do have a point. We soon should get a Braavosi banker sniffing around KL and asking about debts to be paid (it was set up in S3 with Tyrion educating Bronn about “interest”). I bet GoT uses the same Braavosi banker to seek out Stannis in the North later on. Could be an interesting character for the show.

  269. Arkash
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Nice idea !

    It could really set up quite soon that there is something up with them… which seems to be very true considering Winds extracts we have so far !

  270. Blake
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    What’s up with that deleted tweet, WiC? Did HBO say that he’s in? Yes, no, maybe?

  271. JD
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    God, this is the worst casting year yet! I knew not to expect too much due to this being the latter half of ASOS and thus not having to cast as many characters this year, but damn, 6 new casting additions? Thats it? and a couple of recasts? Pathetic.. i really hope we see Brown Ben Plumm, we also need some more nights watchmen and wildlings or the battle on the wall is going to be very underwhelming, also we need Coldhands, Greyjoys (though i suspect they will be cast for season 5), and more people for the kings landing storyline (i also think this will happen in season 5)

    So far, not impressed, i remember being so excited each year since the first season, not feeling it this year..

    Just my opinion, you can go and tell me to stop watching and leave the site now

  272. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Apparently HBO is saying that he hasn’t been cast… ;__:

    I still cling on to the remote hope that they mean it in the same way that they said Iwan Rheon wasn’t cast as Ramsay, but still…

    On the + side, it means that Giancarlo Esposito is still a possibility for Brown Ben :D.

  273. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Blake: What’s up with that deleted tweet, WiC? Did HBO say that he’s in? Yes, no, maybe?

    Damn, what a tease…F#%#@#@!
    No fun there…

  274. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Winter has updated the post above.

    :UPDATE: According to HBO, Hoji Fortuna has NOT been cast. At least, not as anything other than an extra. A featured extra with one or two lines, at most. So definitely not Brown Ben Plumm and probably nothing at all.:

  275. Jordan
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Well, this update is disappointing. Hope this doesn’t mean that Plumm won’t be cast at all.

    For a fancast, I’ve sometimes considered Lenny Henry- in some ways, Plumm is Bronn’s counterpart in Essos, and I think both characters benefit from a comic actor portraying them.

  276. Dan
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    I think he will fit in Samwell Tarley’s story.

  277. Bannerless Bro
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Noooooo, he looked perfect for the role ;_;

  278. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Enfield:
    Just because no one mentioned it, I’ll put it out there: too early for the Kindly Man?

    John Noble ,for the Kindly Man role and yes, it’s probably too soon to get serious
    about nominations……. not that we here haven’t brought the subject up several times.

  279. WildSeed
    Posted September 2, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Winter has updated the post above.

    :UPDATE: According to HBO, Hoji Fortuna has NOT been cast. At least, not as anything other than an extra. A featured extra with one or two lines, at most. So definitely not Brown Ben Plumm and probably nothing at all.:

    Just saw this, thanks for the update.

  280. all in the game
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    Clarke Peters for Ben Plumm. It is known

  281. Bufkus
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Everyone knows Brown Ben Plumm was scrapped.

    This guy is playing Jalabhar Xho.

  282. Bufkus
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    btw Hoji himself is confirming that he’s on GoT, so forget what HBO said:

    Jackie ‏@JacMac30 31 Aug
    @HojiFortuna congratulations on your role in Game of Thrones! Look forward to seeing you in season 4 :)

    Hoji Fortuna ‏@HojiFortuna 31 Aug
    @JacMac30 Thanks, Jackie. May I deliver a performance @ least equal to the excitement the news are generating :) Thanks for the support!

  283. Arkash
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Not sure, remember that guy last year claming he was Thoros of Myr and proved to be a complete fake !

  284. Darquemode
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    I cannot blame the man for being excited about acting on Game of Thrones…. EVEN if ‘only’ as an extra.

    I hope the role of BBP does make the series at some point though!

  285. Bufkus
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Arkash:
    Not sure, remember that guy last year claming he was Thoros of Myr and proved to be a complete fake !

    Yeah but that guy wasn’t much of an actor. This guy is taking a huge risk to act like this if he wasn’t cast.

  286. sherry
    Posted September 3, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Bufkus:
    Everyone knows Brown Ben Plumm was scrapped.

    This guy is playing Jalabhar Xho.

    That was what I was thinking! This guy looks what I would picture Xho to look like, also the Summer Islands people seem to have a certain accent.

  287. Dornishpuff
    Posted September 10, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    King’s Landing? might be Jalabar Xho..

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