Two more actors for S4 and a return
By Ours is the Fury on in Casting, Rumors.

Game of Thrones filming is rolling along and season four roles are popping up on actors’ resumés, giving us a glimpse at what’s in store next year.

Elizabeth WebsterAccording to her CVElizabeth Webster will be playing Walda Frey. The CastingCallPro listing shows the actress as appearing in episode 2 of season 4, directed by Alex Graves. Walda is the granddaughter of Lord Walder Frey and the young new wife of Roose Bolton. Her marriage was mentioned in “The Rains of Castamere.”

Lu CorfieldNext up: Doctors actress Lu Corfield will be appearing as a Mole’s Town madame in season 4. Mole’s Town and its brothel, located near the Wall, were discussed in season 1 by Jon Snow and Samwell. Alex Graves is given as the director for Corfield’s appearance on the show as well, though it may be a different episode than Webster’s as Graves is directing a total of four episodes this season.

In addition to the new faces, we’ve heard a rumor about a returning cast member and their season four storyline, which we’ve hidden under a break for spoiler reasons.

Our sources are reporting that Noah Taylor is indeed returning as Locke, and that the Bolton bannerman who took Jaime Lannister’s sword hand will be taking the black with the Night’s Watch in season 4. Punishment for his actions toward Jaime, perhaps?

Ours is the Fury: Walda! It’s great to see her making an appearance. And the report about Noah Taylor is intriguing. He may be an equivalent to Vargo Hoat in some ways, but this is completely new. A troublemaker like Locke at the Wall should make things interesting.


286 Comments

  1. arden
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    stannis

    Locke stabbing Jon??????????????????????????????? I cant think of who else it would be unless they bring back the guy who played Marsh.

  2. Greg
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping Locke would be at the Dreadfort broing around with Ramsay :/ But Locke at the Wall is interesting… maybe he’ll eventually be one of the brothers who stabs Jon?

    FAT WALDA! I love her! One of my favorite minor characters, and definitely the most tolerable Frey.

  3. M
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    WALDAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!

  4. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I’m actually really excited to see what they do with Walda Frey. In the books, Roose makes a brief mention of maybe, perhaps, actually liking her. For a guy who seems a completel sociopath, that makes her an interesting character.

  5. Omar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    I wonder what they plan on doing with Locke at the wall.

  6. Benjamin Wakefield
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    yeyyyy

  7. Ashley
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if we’ll get Jaime and Cersei’s aunt she’d be an interesting character. They mentioned her in season two as the fat Lannister fingers crossed.

  8. Corbray
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    Can someone remind me, is the actor who plays Janos Slynt confirmed to be returning? Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

  9. TywinLannister_X0X69
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping Locke would return to fill some vacant roles in Brienne’s storyline. I guess a little good-guy vengeance is asking too much.

  10. Alex Also
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Always a treat to see Noah Taylor pop up anywhere. Combining characters might not be accurate but it will make things easier to follow and if they do n’t every actor on the planet will have had a part before the series is done.

  11. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    Corbray,
    Yes, Dominic Carter is unofficially confirmed to be returning as Slynt.

  12. Bex
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    WALDA LIIIIIIVES

  13. ytdn
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    The thing with Locke is… interesting. Not sure how that’s going to develop. I figured that he’d turn outlaw like the Bloody Mummers, and get shanked by Brienne in Season 5. Him being at the Wall doesn’t seem to provide such an interesting plot. I’ll reserve judgement for now, but still…

    If Walda in in S4, that means Roose is going to make it too. Dare I hope for Jeyne Poole this season?

  14. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Can someone remind me, is the actor who plays Janos Slynt confirmed to be returning? Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

    My thinking exactly.

  15. direhound
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Very intrigued by this development with Locke.

  16. ACatLover
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Corbray: cognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who h

    The actors who play Slynt and Alliser Thorne are both confirmed as returning, so it is a bit odd that they’d want yet another somewhat villainous face. We’ll see, though — D&D always seem to pull it off.

  17. sayed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    I know that this subject has nothing to do with this posting , but ? I wish somebody would adapt for TV – The Belgariad and Mallorean series by – David Eddings ?

  18. Hodoreo
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Oh God. If they send Locke to the wall they’ve completely ruined Brienne’s AFFC storyline. She’ll have no nemesis to face now, as D&D failed completely to make her enemies with Rorge and Biter. Unless they just randomly turn up at the inn and attack her but it’s much more personal in the book because they abused her. I can’t see what role Locke will play on the wall, as Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt are already there to cause trouble for Jon. He can’t be taking the role of Bowen because when Jon will never trust him for serving the Boltons when he hears about the RW. That being said, it also eliminates the chance of Jaime receiving Locke’s/Vargo’s head at Harrenhal and the ‘roast goat’ part. Another idiotic mistake from D&D…… sigh

  19. Matt
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    If Walda in in S4, that means Roose is going to make it too. Dare I hope for Jeyne Poole this season?

    Personally, I think it’ll work better (for continuity’s sake) just to have a random young Bolton girl serve as the Fake Arya.

  20. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    arden,

    That actually works… Except that it would make the stabbing seem like an evil act, which would remove any doubt that Jon doesn’t deserve it (even though he really does IMO). That would only streamline the series and remove the actions–>consequences theme of Jon’s arc in the books.

  21. ACatLover
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

    Perhaps Locke is being sent to the Wall because of Jaime’s hand, supposedly, but Bolton is actually sending him there to hunt for Bran and Rickon in secret?

  22. patchface
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Lu Corfield is probably playing Zei.

  23. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    Are you kidding? It could be crazy good.

    But it also seems completely unnecessary given what you suggested is a much more simple and by-the-books way to go forward. This is weird, that’s for sure.

  24. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Walda! Nice! Looking forward to seeing what capacity she and therefore Roose will be in S4.

    Locke at the wall would be quite a change, a change that would be absolutely epic.

    Taylor knocked that role out of the park in S3 and seeing him more can only be good news :), but it might rule out any future interactions with Brienne or Jaime. :(

    Of course, Locke could easily leave the Wall during any of the skirmishes there and make his way down south again at just the right time to face off with Brienne.

    Very interested to see how all this plays out.

  25. King Tommen
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    My first guess for what happens with Locke at the Wall is that he will develop into the Bowen Marsh role alongside Jon. This allows them to use a character the audience knows already and to not have to introduce someone else to play a relatively important role over the next couple seasons. They already have confirmed Slynt and Thorne as returning so that antagonizing role doesn’t seem to be available. It’s hard to say at this point.

    I’m surprised no one has connected the dots about Walda’s episode appearance. Maybe I’m out in left field but I assumed that if the show wanted to keep Roose (and even Walder Frey) involved in S4 in some capacity, they would have them go to King’s Landing as guests at the Royal Wedding. Walda being in E2 only would indicate to me that this would be the episode that the PW would occur in which does kind of line up with the event timelines discussed here. Also, GRRM being the writer of this episode doesn’t mean anything specifically as he hasn’t always had monumental events take place in the ones he writes but this being the first time they’ve given him an episode so early in the season indicates that there’s probably something worthwhile for him to cover off.

  26. ytdn
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    ytdn,

    Are you kidding? It could be crazy good.

    But it also seems completely unnecessary given what you suggested is a much more simple and by-the-books way to go forward. This is weird, that’s for sure.

    Yeah, I’m wondering if it’s a false rumour- although I’m not questioning WiC’s sources! It’s just that on here and various other forums the most popular speculation for what Locke’s role would be in the future was him attacking Brienne at the Inn so I do wonder why D&D would choose this instead. Who knows.

  27. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    That’s GRRM’s episode, too. It makes it even more interesting. I really hope they didn’t give him an episode with weak plot development again.

  28. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Can someone remind me, is the actor who plays Janos Slynt confirmed to be returning? Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

    The actor who plays Slynt is indeed returning. Which in a sense now gives them a trio to antagonize Jon, as Alliser Thorne is also coming back.

  29. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    I’m a huge Fat Walda fan for some reason so this makes me very, very happy. Although, when I saw the photo of a plus size actress, I was hoping it was Maege Mormont. It wouldn’t surprise me if the show changed things up and had her killed in the Agatha Christie Winterfell murder spree.

    I don’t remember any chapters taking place at Mole’s Town. I wonder what this is. Maybe the baddies of the NW gather there to plot against Jon?

    I’m assuming Locke is going to replace Bowen and stab Jon. I too thought he might be in Brienne’s arc. I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of bitching about this, but these minor changes bring an element of surprise to watching the show, so I don’t mind.

  30. Vinicius
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    i was really hoping to see the mountain dismembering locke on season 4. :(

  31. Morgan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    She”ll probably appear at the wall. Before the wildlings attack at Castle Black, Jon warns the people of Mole’s Town and I believe some seek refuge at Castle Black

  32. Jordan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Yay, Fat Walda!

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    IIRC, the people at the brothel in Mole Town played an important role helping the Watch defend against the Wilding Invasion.

    I don’t like the idea of Locke being part of the Watch and hope that rumor isn’t true. Although Thorne is not a nice guy, why would he have anything to do with a sadist like Locke.

  33. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    arden,

    That actually works… Except that it would make the stabbing seem like an evil act, which would remove any doubt that Jon doesn’t deserve it (even though he really does IMO). That would only streamline the series and remove the actions–>consequences theme of Jon’s arc in the books.

    Jon deserves to be stabbed because narrow minded Bowen Marsh is upset that Jon prevented turning the wildings into an army of wights? Are you kidding me? Jon turned enemies into allies, it was brilliance not a bad act that justifies an assassination IMO.

  34. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    You’re right. I forgot about that! I’m glad it’s being included.

  35. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover: The actors who play Slynt and Alliser Thorne are both confirmed as returning, so it is a bit odd that they’d want yet another somewhat villainous face.We’ll see, though — D&D always seem to pull it off.

    To me they’re all pretty memorable. Slynt is easily remembered for the baby-killing scene and Tyrion telling him he’s denying the existence of his integrity. They’ve all had at least one great delicious line that makes you want to punch them.

    Slynt: “I have friends at court!” (Said while being led out of the room and to a boat headed for the Wall)
    Thorne: “You’re not only a bastard. You’re a traitor’s bastard.”
    Locke: “Well, this is one shameful fucking performance!”

    Also, having more antagonists at the Wall only helps, doesn’t hurt. It’s important just because the kingdom holds up the Wall as this bastion, as the place where the world ends, where there’s one and only one purpose – to keep out the threats from the North, threats that (now) really, truly matter.

    And instead, it’s staffed with a dysfunctional mix of convicts, cast-offs, the crazy brave and outright losers (I mean, they were going to send Rorge and Biter to the Wall…hello?). And when it’s just there to “keep out the likes of men,” as Sam tells Aemon (or as Mormont tells Sam in Storm of Swords), well, it don’t matter all that much. When it’s something else, that’s all the more concerning. So to have Thorne (who is at least competent at his job), Slynt (a political animal and brutal yes-man) and Locke (a seething, resentful SOB) all there at once gives it an added tension that will likely be exploited well by D&D. And no, I don’t think any of them will take the place of Donal Noye or Bowen Marsh in terms of their role as a moral grounding for Jon – far from it. I think they’ll be what they are.

    And to further that point – Joffrey’s decision to behead Ned Stark has even more consequences than just igniting the war between the Starks and Lannisters into a fury. Given that Stark would arrived at the wall after Mormont had left, and given what we know about his subsequent death, one cannot say that, given the legacy of Starks at the Wall and Ned’s stature – even as a traitor – that he would not have made a strong contender for Lord Commander, and headed off some of the strife Jon ended up having to deal with (of course, lose Ned’s beheading, and you lose the entire war, and Robb’s death, and Jon’s anguish and need to go after Ramsey Snow that has put him where he is at the end of Dance with Dragons. But I digress.)

  36. Vinicius
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    I’m a huge Fat Walda fan for some reason so this makes me very, very happy.Although, when I saw the photo of a plus size actress, I was hoping it was Maege Mormont. It wouldn’t surprise me if the show changed things up and had her killed in the Agatha Christie Winterfell murder spree.

    I don’t remember any chapters taking place at Mole’s Town.I wonder what this is.Maybe the baddies of the NW gather there to plot against Jon?

    I’m assuming Locke is going to replace Bowen and stab Jon.I too thought he might be in Brienne’s arc.I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of bitching about this, but these minor changes bring an element of surprise to watching the show, so I don’t mind.

    there’s the chapter in which jon goes to moletown and asks for anyone to join the watch and ends sending the spearwives to Long Barrow (Whore’s Barrow).

  37. H. Stark
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink
  38. Cody
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    That can happen way later in the series, and they can still easily do the Sack of Saaltpans and broadcast Rorge and Biter as villains.

  39. Ashley
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover,

    I like that idea alot!

  40. Lara
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Its nice and all that you put the name of the returning actor after the break. But you did tag the post with his name, which is visible from the front page. :\

  41. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover:
    I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

    Perhaps Locke is being sent to the Wall because of Jaime’s hand, supposedly, but Bolton is actually sending him there to hunt for Bran and Rickon in secret?

    Certainly possible, and intriguing.

  42. Loki
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Interesting. Locke at the wall? Very interesting. Fat Walda should’ve appeared in 3×09, but still interesting.

  43. Jack
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Hodoreo:
    Oh God. If they send Locke to the wall they’ve completely ruined Brienne’s AFFC storyline. She’ll have no nemesis to face now, as D&D failed completely to make her enemies with Rorge and Biter. Unless they just randomly turn up at the inn and attack her but it’s much more personal in the book because they abused her. I can’t see what role Locke will play on the wall, as Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt are already there to cause trouble for Jon. He can’t be taking the role of Bowen because when Jon will never trust him for serving the Boltons when he hears about the RW. That being said, it also eliminates the chance of Jaime receiving Locke’s/Vargo’s head at Harrenhal and the ‘roast goat’ part. Another idiotic mistake from D&D…… sigh

    I’m normally an optimist, but I really must agree. AFFC and ADWD were already going to be difficult to put on television, but they’re not really helping themselves.

  44. Clob
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Corbray: Can someone remind me, is the actor who plays Janos Slynt confirmed to be returning? Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

    I can’t imagine anyone who’s watched every season could possibly forget Janos. Poor memory if so. Just his last scene alone when Tyrion had him drug off should be enough to stick.

  45. ytdn
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    I think they ran out of casting budget in Season 3, considering the huge number of new actors :p

  46. Morgan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    That House Martell banner is exciting to see! I can’t wait to see this scene come to life on the show.

  47. RobbWind resurrected for doggie style with Walder Frey
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    What is the significance of mole town in second half of book 3? Does T Giantbane and co pillage and burn it on there way to the wall? A staging area before there attack? Does Tormund Giantbane knock the mole town over with his member? I am not sure

  48. David
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    I bet Locke gets a visit from the Mountain on the way to the Wall.

  49. Greg
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    ytdn,

    Yeah, if Walda is in then Roose is definitely in. Another commenter said that they might be guests at the PW, which would be very interesting. As for Jeyne Poole, the PW would give Roose a reason to be in King’s Landing, he could pick Jeyne up around episode 5-7, and arrive back at the Dreadfort in episode 10. I don’t think they’ll get to Ramsay and Jeyne’s wedding until S5 though.

  50. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    No, Jon did actions that seemed no short of heresy to all of his men and made no real attempt to try and explain himself. Given his shaky background (being a suspected Turncloak after the events of book 3), he decided to let the Wildlings (against which they only recently fought to the death) through the Wall and placing them firmly at his back (which, no doubt, his men believed makes them ripe for backstabbing considering Vastle Black has no defenses aside from the Wall). Jon’s actions were noble and honorable- truly good intentions- but they were not the actions of a good ruler who gives a shit about his men and his order. He let them keep the thoughts to themselves and did everything in his power to alienate himself from his order (sending away all his friends, eating alone..). In the end, he was going to go over his vows completely and break the Night’s Watch code and that was the straw that broke the Chanel’s back. Jon had it coming, no matter how good his intentions were- he screwed up and faced the consequences.

  51. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Jack: I’m normally an optimist, but I really must agree. AFFC and ADWD were already going to be difficult to put on television, but they’re not really helping themselves.

    I don’t quite agree. Brienne’s story was going to be tough no matter what, and this removes one antagonist, but her story is the weakest anyway, and if it gets truncated (or mostly moved to this season), it allows the better stories from those 2 books – Cersei/Marge, Jon, Sam, Arya, Tyrion, Victarion, Yara, Jaime – more breathing room.

  52. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:19 pm | Permalink

    I am late to the party, but….
    FAT WALDA LIVESSSS

  53. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    No, Jon did actions that seemed no short of heresy to all of his men and made no real attempt to try and explain himself. Given his shaky background (being a suspected Turncloak after the events of book 3), he decided to let the Wildlings (against which they only recently fought to the death) through the Wall and placing them firmly at his back (which, no doubt, his men believed makes them ripe for backstabbing considering Vastle Black has no defenses aside from the Wall). Jon’s actions were noble and honorable- truly good intentions- but they were not the actions of a good ruler who gives a shit about his men and his order. He let them keep the thoughts to themselves and did everything in his power to alienate himself from his order (sending away all his friends, eating alone..). In the end, he was going to go over his vows completely and break the Night’s Watch code and that was the straw that broke the Chanel’s back. Jon had it coming, no matter how good his intentions were- he screwed up and faced the consequences.


    It’s the “straw” that breaks the camel’s back. Letting the Wildings come across is entirely defensible on a lot of levels, and Jon to his credit goes ahead with his plan despite opposition. He sends Cotter Pyke to the east to rescue those trapped by White Walkers, defensible as well, if a difficult choice given lack of resources. He gives up the castles to Stannis, another tough choice. But then electing to go on a crusade seems to be what swings it.

  54. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:24 pm | Permalink

    It must be because I’m not 12… because I laugh every time someone posts a rant about how D&D are ruining something based on very little to no information.

  55. Sor Duncan, the Tall
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    so it seems that we wont see janos slynt this season…. vargo hoat took his place!

  56. Eddard Stark II
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Is that who i think it is, in costume?

  57. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Damned auto-correct changed my “Camel” into “Chanel”.

  58. Alvis
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Martell banner!… the whole thing looks good

  59. Jordan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Sor Duncan, the Tall,

    I believe it was noted up-thread that Slynt’s actor is confirmed as returning.

  60. H. Stark
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Eddard Stark II,

    It could be him, or maybe that´s the stunt double.

  61. Dickon Manwoody
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Is it possible that Lu Corfield will be playing Zei? Or one of the other whores from Mole’s Town (Sky Blue Su, Meliana). If I remember right, they all end up at Castle Black.

  62. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    Lara,

    Noah Taylor returning is not a spoiler. The spoiler is him returning as Night’s Watch and that is what is after the break.

  63. Jackie
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    Locke, teams up with Jon to destroy castors keep so the rebel night watch dont spill the secrets to Mance about the weakness of the wall defense. However unbeknowst to him, Karl (burn gorman) is ruling with an iron fist and has captured Hodor, Bran, Jojen and Meera. so snow and Bran will finally meet after a huge battle.

  64. Mescalinic
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    great news!
    Roose and Walda actually are one of the cutest couple of the books! yay!

  65. bufkus
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I doubt Locke is going to replace Bowen Marsh or play some pivotal story role.

    I am willing to bet that they simply decided they needed some familiar faces to die during the wildlings attack, and Locke will be one of them.

    However I am concerned with Brienne’s storyline, in the sense that she basically has none now. With them cutting UnCat and now removing a potential antagonist for her, she basically has nothing left to do. Given that previous interviews indicated that a major female character will be killed off even though she’s alive in the books, there’s the possibility that this character in question is Brienne.

  66. ytdn
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    bufkus:
    I doubt Locke is going to replace Bowen Marsh or play some pivotal story role.

    I am willing to bet that they simply decided they needed some familiar faces to die during the wildlings attack, and Locke will be one of them.

    However I am concerned with Brienne’s storyline, in the sense that she basically has none now. With them cutting UnCat and now removing a potential antagonist for her, she basically has nothing left to do. Given that previous interviews indicated that a major female character will be killed off even though she’s alive in the books, there’s the possibility that this character in question is Brienne.

    Stoneheart isn’t cut. She just didn’t appear where people thought she would.

  67. Jordan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    bufkus,

    “Given that previous interviews indicated that a major female character will be killed off even though she’s alive in the books”

    Do you have a source for this?

    Dickon Manwoody,

    I forgot the character’s name. But yes, I assume that Madam is more or less supposed to be her.

  68. Loki
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Well, Rorge and Biter are still returning… Maybe Sansaseeking quest will be cut and we will have their confrontation with maid of tarth much earlier

  69. ACatLover
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    It must be because I’m not 12… because I laugh every time someone posts a rant about how D&D are ruining something based on very little to no information.

    Likewise. They’ve done such a wonderful job so far, and just about everything that people freak out about (“OMG they can’t replace Edric Storm with Genry!” “OMG where’s weasel soup?” “OMG they cut so-and-so from the story!”) has worked out perfectly.

  70. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    One possibility for Locke is that he could play a part in Sam’s deception. They could perhaps establish an enmity between Locke and Janos early in the season, allowing Sam to play them off against each other at the end of the season. It would make Jon’s triumph as Lord Commander even sweeter perhaps.

    That said, that would require Locke to arrive at the Wall fairly early in the season, and he’s far away from it at the moment!

  71. Beth
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    I like the idea of Locke becoming Jon’s Bowen. Sure, he’s an asshole, but he’s down on his luck (I doubt he’ll take exile too well) and wants to do what it takes for the Watch to survive.

    They could easily turn Locke into a slightly more sympathetic character, right in time for it to all go to hell in book five. He knows the Boltons well and is probably of the opinion that Jon marching off to war with them isn’t a good idea.

  72. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Jordan: “Given that previous interviews indicated that a major female character will be killed off even though she’s alive in the books”

    Do you have a source for this?

    From what I can tell, this is a bit of an exaggeration from what D&D and GRRM have said about not assuming that characters will live as long as they do in the books, and that an actress had been pleading for her character to live longer (sounded like beyond this season) instead of being killed on schedule.

  73. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Jordan:
    bufkus,

    “Given that previous interviews indicated that a major female character will be killed off even though she’s alive in the books”

    Do you have a source for this?

    [snip]

    As far as I can determine, this is randomly connecting two things GRRM said, one that characters may die that are still alive in the books (remember in this instance his unhappiness at Random Dothraki Guy #3 getting killed in Season 1 because he’ll apparently return in Book 6), and one that he was asked by an actress not to kill her character and that he felt bad, because he’d already killed her (your guess who that was, but I suspect Rose Leslie or Sibel Kikelli).

  74. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    bufkus,

    1. I doubt Stoneheart was cut. She just didn’t appear in S3.

    2. I believe the speculation was that a character that dies in the books won’t die in the show. There is no rumor about a female character who is alive in the books dying.

  75. Nezzer
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    YES YES YES YES WALDAAAAAA!!!!! This mean we are getting even more Roose this season, YESH!!!

  76. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Comment section comedy:

    Person 1: Hey! Maybe this change means they’ll have Sam become a white walker and kill Mance.

    Person 2: I suppose that could happen. I mean, Mance really doesn’t have all that much to do and this would make Sam’s later story more interesting if he’s a walker.

    Person 3: WAHT??!?! THEY MAKE SAM A WALKER AND MANCE KILLED BY HIM! D&D R RUININ EVERYTHINT!!!!

  77. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    First of all, Walda looks lovely.

    And secondly, for everyone freaking out about Brienne’s storyline, we so far know exactly two things about it: One, she will start out in King’s Landing, and two, Podrick will join her at some point. No idea if she’s searching for both Stark girls or just Sansa, no idea when exactly she moves out, no idea who will meet her, fight her or join her, or when. Even Locke being substituted for Rorge and Biter has only been a theory – she never fights his book equivalent on her quest.

  78. spacechampion
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Please tell me this is a parody of fans on this site:

    Hodoreo:
    Oh God. If they send Locke to the wall they’ve completely ruined Brienne’s AFFC storyline. She’ll have no nemesis to face now, as D&D failed completely to make her enemies with Rorge and Biter. Unless they just randomly turn up at the inn and attack her but it’s much more personal in the book because they abused her. I can’t see what role Locke will play on the wall, as Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt are already there to cause trouble for Jon. He can’t be taking the role of Bowen because when Jon will never trust him for serving the Boltons when he hears about the RW. That being said, it also eliminates the chance of Jaime receiving Locke’s/Vargo’s head at Harrenhal and the ‘roast goat’ part. Another idiotic mistake from D&D…… sigh

    NO ONE UNDERSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADS!!!!

  79. mags giantsbabe
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Well, slap me thrice. I gave up on Satin and the whores not making it to the show, because of screen time limitation and for the sake of simplifying the story. I’ve always thought it would be fun and witty to watch the NW boys interacting a bit with a girl or two.

    As for Locke, will he be told to go to the Wall (like Slynt) by Tywin (awesome) and arrive only much later (maybe even next season?) Or have interesting adventures along the way? If he is a possible replacement for Marsh, maybe he will antagonize the Wildlings (imagine a show-off between Locke and Tormund) and causing trouble, scheming when Jon wants to let them through later, resulting in him influencing the other men against the LC. He’s after all a Bolton man.

  80. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    The idea that Locke would be a danger in a 1 on 1 battle for Brienne was silly at best. I don’t see why Rorge and Biter can’t cross paths with Brienne and fill the same roles as in the books. So Brienne doesn’t know them, what does that matter when a dude with filed teeth charges her and wants to rape and kill her? What does that matter when they want to sack the Inn?

  81. boze
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    mags giantsbabe,

    Jon didn’t take the time to warn Mole’s Town on his way to the Wall in the TV show.. So I guess they’ll just show the people there being slaughtered by the Magnar and his men to establish that those guys are not to be taken lightly.

  82. tysnow
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Bolton sent Locke undercover to the Wall to deal with Jon.

  83. Al Swearengen
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Locke and Jon Snow together will be interesting, I wonder if Locke might replace Janos Slynt?

  84. Bolton5
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    So now……what about Lollys?

  85. Loki
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen, replace the guy who is already confirmed for returning. Brilliant idea.

  86. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    jon makes bad decisions in book 5 sure but letting the widlings in and having most of them join them was not one of them. Bowen Marsh and few others dont even see the others or the wights as a threat. that is appearant in the book.they only see the wildings as threats when all the wilding want to do is get away from the others. He makes there numbers grow exponentially with people that can really fight. and witht the watch giving them discipline and strategi they will be a lot more formitable. His dumbass moves were sending Cotter Pyke off on a suicide mission and deciding to go to winterfell. which still wasnt that bad of a choice considering that the son of the warden of the north is threatening the entire watch. The watch doesnt take part in the realms conflict but they will defend themselves if they have to. and we only seen the select few who disagreed with him stab him. most of the watch is not going to like that and you know damn sure that giantsbane will be pissed. Bowen isnt gonna last long through book 6. and i dont see locke taking over for bowen. Bowen really isnt an evil guy like locke is.

  87. Josh Parker
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    arden,

    With all those re-casts, I would thin there’s little to no chance of John Fortune returning, which is a shame. I liked the fleshing out of Old Pomegranate in the books, and I kept hoping against hope they’d develop him more.

    Actually, the fact that they left Bowen in the scene where Jon and Sam take their vows made me think that’s what they were going to do. They didn’t have to do that, really. They could have given his scenes to the Old Bear. And then he appeared again in the next episode. Aaaaand…hasn’t appeared since.

  88. Hounded
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Yay Fat Walda!
    Hopefully her inclusion will mean more Roose next season.

    And the Locke thing is intriguing. I was thinking that Brienne would encounter him on her travels in the river-lands and would kill him in retribution for Jaime. (Which she would do with Oathkeeper, given to her by Jaime.) Kind of poetic justice. That was my idea but I guess thats not the case. I’m glad Noah Taylor is back though, he was great last season.
    “WHAT ARE YOU DOIN’ ‘A’ MOI BEAR!?!”

  89. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Fat Walda – excellent; looking forward to seeing her interact with Roose.

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: I don’t remember any chapters taking place at Mole’s Town. I wonder what this is. Maybe the baddies of the NW gather there to plot against Jon?

    I don’t remember that either so I say “ehh” to the casting of the Mole’s Town madam. Not sure why she is needed.

    Locke at the Wall – do not like. Noah Taylor played Locke perfectly but I was hoping to be done with him. Don’t know why we need another “baddie” that is out to get Jon. Slynt and Thorne aren’t enough? I hope that Locke isn’t supposed to be a replacement for Bowen Marsh because that doesn’t work for me. As a long time member of the NW, one could understand Marsh’s impatience/displeasure with Jon’s decisions. Locke, however, as a new member of the NW becomes just another cruel character. Ugh!

    Not particularly concerned about Brienne’s storyline. Her journeys in AFFC were not the high points of the story, at least for me. There is plenty to eliminate.

  90. Brendan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Hodoreo,

    I think D&D are intent on changing plot lines unnecessarily rather than just telling the story the way it is meant to be told. Locke to the wall doesn’t make a lot of sense. Brienne effectively has nothing to do for seasons 4 and 5 now. Just stick to the damn script D&D. Stop sabotaging a perfect story.

  91. Loki
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    “WHAT ARE YOU DOIN’ ‘A’ MOI BEAR!?!”

    I thought it was a bit different…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nhtUkfQvL8

    ahh.. classic. can listen to this all the day.

  92. omarlittletheking
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    ACatLover:
    I JUST HAD A THOUGHT.

    Perhaps Locke is being sent to the Wall because of Jaime’s hand, supposedly, but Bolton is actually sending him there to hunt for Bran and Rickon in secret?

    Perhaps, D&D find a way of include Robb will, Bolton finds out who is the heir and he orders Locke to kill Jon. Locke could stab Jon instead of Bowen Marsh and for different reasons. GRRM and D&D arrive to the same point but for differents routes

  93. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    mariamb: I don’t remember that either so I say “ehh” to the casting of the Mole’s Town madam. Not sure why she is needed.

    There are chapters involving the people of Mole’s Town in ASOS. I don’t know if this madam has any particular connection to him, but it makes me wonder if we’ll see Satin introduced after all.

  94. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: There are chapters involving the people of Mole’s Town in ASOS. I don’t know if this madam has any particular connection to him, but it makes me wonder if we’ll see Satin introduced after all.

    Thanks. I wouldn’t mind seeing Satin in the show but he isn’t necessary. I would classify the rest of Mole’s Town and its madam as “not necessary” as well, simply because of the multitude of characters and storylines.

  95. FlayedManofBK
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Brendan,

    you think Brienne’s AFFC Story is Perfect? Good lord I was bored to tears, too much world building, and you KNOW Sansa isn’t in the Riverlands. I’m for keeping it close to the books but they really need to blow up AFFC

  96. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre:
    jon makes bad decisions in book 5 sure but letting the widlings in and having most of them join them was not one of them. Bowen Marsh and few others dont even see the others or the wights as a threat. that is appearant in the book.they only see the wildings as threats when all the wilding want to do is get away from the others. He makes there numbers grow exponentially with people that can really fight. and witht the watch giving them discipline and strategi they will be a lot more formitable. His dumbass moves were sending Cotter Pyke off on a suicide mission and deciding to go to winterfell. which still wasnt that bad of a choice considering that the son of the warden of the north is threatening the entire watch. The watch doesnt take part in the realms conflict but they will defend themselves if they have to. and we only seen the select few who disagreed with him stab him. most of the watch is not going to like that and you know damn sure that giantsbane will be pissed. Bowen isnt gonna last long through book 6. and i dont see locke taking over for bowen. Bowen really isnt an evil guy like locke is.

    Castle Black isn’t built to be defensible from the south and it’s already busted from the wildling attack. That’s why I’m of the opinion that Jon is protecting the Watch by planning to leave and meet Ramsay head on. He also didn’t force any NW to go along. He invited Stannis’ men and wildlings IIRC.
    I can see why Bowen et al thought differently however. I just don’t think he deserved being stabbed as somebody above was arguing.

  97. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Loki:
    Well, Rorge and Biter are still returning… Maybe Sansaseeking quest will be cut and we will have their confrontation with maid of tarth much earlier

    There’s still plenty of material for her that IS compelling even if you remove the waste-of-time digression to Cracklaw Point (tho who knows, maybe D&D love that part):

    –Septon Meribald, a great brief addition who really illustrates how bad war can be
    –Hyle Hunt and a meeting with Randyll Tarly
    –The Quiet Isle, one of the best passages in the books
    –Rorge and Biter (hopefully)

  98. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    mariamb: Thanks. I wouldn’t mind seeing Satin in the show but he isn’t necessary. I would classify the rest of Mole’s Town and its madam as “not necessary” as well, simply because of the multitude of characters and storylines.

    The Jon/Satin ship is all the rage over at Westeros lately. It’ll break some hearts if Jontin is left out ;)

  99. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: There’s still plenty of material for her that IS compelling even if you remove the waste-of-time digression to Cracklaw Point (tho who knows, maybe D&D love that part):


    –Septon Meribald, a great brief addition who really illustrates how bad war can be
    –Hyle Hunt and a meeting with Randyll Tarly
    –The Quiet Isle, one of the best passages in the books
    –Rorge and Biter (hopefully)

    I liked learning about the defiance of Duskendale too. It explains how Aerys came to be so paranoid. I don’t know if they absolutely have to include that in the show though.

  100. Veltigar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    I think Slinks character will be kept the way it is in the books. But I think that Thorne andLocke will replace Marsh and Nooye. I previously thought that they were going to have Thorne take Nooye’s role (and thus show that even a character that was an asshole against one of the main characters can redeem itself) and have him die valiantly. Since it is very important for Marsh to be dedicated to the NW however I think Thorne will take that place since he has more years of service. Locke would then become Nooye stand in. I’m pretty excited about that possibility. Locke was already a fascinating character (his fuck the nobles attitude was way better than Vargo Hoats speaking problem) and I could totally see them pulling a 360 on the character and have him die fighting a giant. I mean out of all the warrior characters on the show, who better than Locke (fuck the nobles!!!!) to see the worth of Jon Snow even if he’s a traitor and bastard

  101. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: There’s still plenty of material for her that IS compelling even if you remove the waste-of-time digression to Cracklaw Point (tho who knows, maybe D&D love that part):


    –Septon Meribald, a great brief addition who really illustrates how bad war can be
    –Hyle Hunt and a meeting with Randyll Tarly
    –The Quiet Isle, one of the best passages in the books
    –Rorge and Biter (hopefully)

    Yes, her interactions on The Quiet Isle and with Randyll Tarly and Septon Meribald (and Dog, of course) were well-written and I would enjoy seeing them in the show. I personally could do without Dick Crabb, the reappearance of Rorge/Biter and the latter chewing off part of her cheek.

  102. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I never said that, just that the reasoning behind it is completely understandable.

  103. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    well they can’t cut out all the storylines-some POVS are a little light on plot as it is. There isn’t a whole lot for Jon to do in the next couple seasons if they start cutting stuff out. Helping the people from Mole’s Town gives the NW something to do besides just waiting for the wildling attack. Satin isn’t strictly necessary to drive plot forward but it does give Jon someone to play off of and talk to (once Sam is gone again) and we can see how he becomes a mentor to another bastard. It’s character development for Jon.

  104. Crozyr
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    I like the way you think. That could make for some really good scenes.

  105. Jake Umber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Brendan,

    Intent on changing plot lines unnecessarily? Wow. Your logic is flawless.

  106. Jordan
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Crozyr,

    I hadn’t really considered that angle because Locke seems too evil, but thinking about it, Locke could potentially fill in for someone like Cotter Pyke (although Locke’s period of raping and murdering is a lot more recent) who has a shady past, but becomes a loyal Watchman.

    Audiences do love dark anti-heroes.

    I’m still inclined to go back to the fact that Locke is way too evil to play such a role, but after some thought, its not totally implausible.

  107. patchface
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Dickon Manwoody:
    Is it possible that Lu Corfield will be playing Zei? Or one of the other whores from Mole’s Town (Sky Blue Su, Meliana). If I remember right, they all end up at Castle Black.

    The only Mole’s towner that really matters is Zei. She helped defend Castle Black from the wildlings.
    I really hope the new actress is playing her.

  108. Ren Snow
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Yay! Fat Walda!

    Not too keen on Locke taking the black, I was hoping he would turn outlaw and appear in Brienne’s storyline and get his comeuppance either in the Whispers or in the inn duel

  109. marsianwalrus
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    They could change/streamline Brienne’s storyline and make it more appealing IMHO.

    Have her go to Randyll Tarly/Duskendale first, meet up up with Hunt, easily takes 2 eps (considering she’s going with Pod to Vale first at the end of this season, somewhat crossing hers and Arya’s storyline).

    Then she and her clique (Hunt, Pod) hear from Rorge + Biter, after confrontation (another ep) that a Stark girl was seen near the Twins. Remember that the barrel driver was not killed by the Hound – i.e. a witness. Rorge + Biter could be shown as Frey soldiers now that Lannisters are gone from Harrenhal.

    Brienne and co. go to Twins, altercation (written in ) between Brienne and Hunt could take another 2 eps. Finally they run into BWB which wouldve resurrected Stoneheart in S4 finale.

    There you go, Brienne has enough material for 6 eps in season 5 which is more than enough.

  110. Greg
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    And if Brienne does go to Quiet Isle, then there’s a good chance we’ll get confirmation of the gravedigger=Sandor theory!

  111. marsianwalrus
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Regarding Locke, he could function in two ways. I think they’ll cast Marsh for season 5, so he’s not replacing him.

    1. Locke could take the role of Kettleblack who was due to be sent to the wall to execute Jon. Roose comes for the wedding with Fat Walda, Tywin is pissed about Jaime’s hand, Roose hands Locke to the Lannisters. Cersei creates a ploy for him to be sent to the wall (not executed) and murder Jon. He could then fail to do that at some point during S5-S6, OR…

    2. If he doesn’t get executed for the assassination attempt, or if he’s not there for that purpose, Jon could use him as a familiar face to deliver information on Roose/Ramsay. In the book the developments in the North are transmitted to Jon via various characters (Aly Mormont, etc, etc). Locke could be a familiar face among the mix as he’s firmly established as a Bolton hand. He could even be part of the Mance crew to infiltrate Winterfell and then betray them to the Boltons.

  112. jarnomiedema
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if Locke at the Wall will be as a replacement for Janos Slynt.. The latter was exiled early on in season two, so I wonder if the more ‘casual’ fans will remember him.. And if not, Locke is certainly an intruiging addition to the show, played by a wonderful actor, so putting him up against Jon Snow and the rest as (perhaps) a Bolton loyalist is (in my humble opinion) a pretty great move!

  113. Jake Umber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    jarnomiedema,

    I see what you guys are saying about Locke “replacing” Slynt, but Janos will be back in the show this season. Not sure why he would be back if his primary purpose was being passed onto someone else…

  114. boze
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    jarnomiedema,

    Janos Slynt will return this season.

  115. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Greg:
    mariamb,

    And if Brienne does go to Quiet Isle, then there’s a good chance we’ll get confirmation of the gravedigger=Sandor theory!

    I enjoyed her entire visit there – especially her conversation with Elder Brother. And it will be interesting to see if the “gravedigger” is included and how it is handled.

  116. The Dragon Demands
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    I will be enraged if Locke/Vargo doesn’t suffer the same fate he did in the books, well deserved for a man stupid enough to ruin a living masterpiece like Jaime Lannister

    His arms and legs all cut off, a few inches at a time then burning the wounds closed, then *force feeding* him the ground up meat of his own arms and legs. A Lannister always pays his debts.

  117. PrinceTheon
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I love this, as I love characters from one storyline interacting with ones from others (Barristan to Dany, Gendry to Stannis/Melisandre to Arya, Bran and Sam).

    Here’s what I think will happen: Locke goes to the wall, but it is really a “Ruse for Roose” to hunt Bran and Rickon. He will obviously fail, and somehow escape and be Brienne’s antagonist in S5.

  118. Jayne
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    Person 3: WAHT??!?! THEY MAKE SAM A WALKER AND MANCE KILLED BY HIM! D&D R RUININ EVERYTHINT!!!!

    Stop spoiling!!!

  119. Bard
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    If Walda has been cast, Roose Bolton and probably Walder Frey will be in season 4 too. I hope they’ll use the following quotes:

    “If she pops out sons the way she pops in tarts, the Dreadfort will soon be overrun with Boltons.” (Roose Bolton)

    “Your Walda’s a sow in silk, that’s why he picked her, and I’m not like to thank you for it. We’d have had the same alliance athalf the price if your little porkling put down her spoon from time to time.” (Walder Frey to his son Merrett, Walda’s father)

  120. Darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    The casting news is interesting, especially the bit about Locke!
    having him at The Wall should add a lot to Jon’s arc and that is a good thing!

    Off Topic:
    I Just read that Graham McTavish has been cast in the upcoming STARZ drama Outlander as Dougal MacKenzie. I suspect this could affect his availability to play a role on Game of Thrones as many fan’s wanted to see……

    http://www.deadline.com/2013/09/starzs-outlander-adds-two-to-cast/

  121. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Can someone remind me, is the actor who plays Janos Slynt confirmed to be returning? Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

    HBO will show previous clips before the credits of each episode. They will show Tyrion firing Slynt prior to the episode when he makes his return.

  122. Summer Is Coming
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    happy that Fat Walda wasn’t cut! This one is for the fans! After all those times when an actor/actress was cast without knowing the character, and people would joke and say that is Fat Walda, or when an actor/actress was bad enough for people to say they didn’t deserve to play even Fat Walda… Justice has been made! :))

  123. Jayne
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    On a more serious note, quite an interesting change.

    However, we do not now at what point he gets sent to the Wall, so maybe Brienne leaves King’s Landing early – and after a confrontation with her taking the black is his only way out? I can both see him being smart enough to try this, and Brienne being honourably enough to allow it.

  124. Felix
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    I read a tweet from Brian Fortune where he said he was in Belfast, so maybe Bowen will be in the next season?

  125. DaenyB
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Completely off topic but just walked past Aidan Gillen tonight in Dublin who was out walking his dog, was too chicken to ask for a photo, kicking myself now!!!

  126. The Dragon Demands
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    I hope they gate “Gatehouse” Amerei Frey.

    Actually, they might – given her role in Lancel Lannister’s storyline.

  127. Ser Lemoncakes
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps Locke is the new Satin!

  128. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    DaenyB,

    So he’s done filming?

  129. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Why was I deleted?

  130. Daeny B
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    He might be, though Dublin’s not far from Belfast so could just have easily come home on a day off to walk the dog!

  131. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    It must be because I’m not 12… because I laugh every time someone posts a rant about how D&D are ruining something based on very little to no information.

    This. Yes. I mean, seriously?

  132. Saint
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Fat Walda doesn’t appear in the books after the Red Wedding until Ramsay’s wedding, right? Yay for original scenes.

  133. Dogmayor
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think it’s too far outside the realm of possibility that Locke will be taking the Bowen Marsh role. He could have an amicable relationship with Jon due to the fact that he is a northerner, and he could be quite bitter at Roose for being sent to the wall. Whether Jon would hold Roose’s actions against Locke is yet to be determined. Though he could be there to search for Bran and Rickon as others have pointed out.

  134. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:31 pm | Permalink

    Felix,
    Hmmm. I just found this tweet of his after your post:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianFortune1/status/368024508596117504
    Seems very coincidental if he isn’t actually filming there.

    But then, his is one of the roles that could be easily recast since his name wasn’t mentioned on screen. And, not to shit on this actor or something, but they probably didn’t look to thoroughly for an apropriate actor as he was basically a recurring extra in season 1 and that was before ADWD came out (where the character becomes more important).

    Maybe someone with a twitter account can ask him?

  135. Hounded
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Saint,

    I want to see a Roose/ Fat Walda sex scene.

  136. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I bet there would be leaches involved. In bad places…

  137. Hounded
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Dogmayor,

    NOoooooooooooooooOOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

    No.No.No. A thousand times no.

    The whole thing with Bowen Marsh being the one who stabs Jon is that Bowen is a seasoned man of the watch. He’s been there for years. He cares about what the night’s watch is and believes that Jon is ruining it. When he stabs Jon he says “For the Watch” because he believes that that is the best thing for the watch. Locke is just nasty little dude. a ‘pet rat’ as Jaime calls him. If he stabbed Jon it would just be because he’s a dick and likes being cruel, like cutting Jaime’s hand off. Rant over.

  138. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    If this is really his account, I wonder if he really is reprising his role from season 1? He’s talking about the Wall too!

  139. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    This. He actually cried while doing it.

  140. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Yes, but this website thrives on crackhead TV adaptation theories. So why not have Locke take on all the evil NW roles.

  141. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I just want confirmation for a Bowen Marsh so we can move away from the Locke=Marsh discussion. I really hope they didn’t merge those to characters… I’ll live, but IMO the show would lose a lot from it (unless they give Locke the Jaime treatment and give him a redemption arc, which I really really doubt).

  142. patchface
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Are people seriously saying this “Locke” character should replace Bowen Marsh? That doesn’t make any sense. Bowen Marsh is an honorable man. “Locke” or whatever his name is, is not.

  143. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Someone needs to do detective work on Brian Fortune and his potential Season 4 involvement, but I’ll have to go to sleep.

  144. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:

    I think the chances of a Dublin-based actor being in Northern Ireland for any reason are pretty large. It’s more probably a coincidence than anything else.

  145. beatlefloydzeppelin
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Jayne,

    That’s an interesting idea. That would also give Brienne a bit more to do this season, as I personally don’t think that she has enough to hold her over for two seasons. If Jaime gives her the task of hunting down Locke, she would also accomplish something, as she normally fails at everything she sets out to do.

  146. Bran The Builder
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Those books are really not that complex and multi-layered.

    sayed:
    I know that this subject has nothing to do with this posting , but ? I wish somebody would adapt for TV – The Belgariad and Mallorean series by – David Eddings ?

  147. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Charlie Cox as Bowen Marsh and Balon Swann

  148. James
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    Felix,
    Hmmm. I just found this tweet of his after your post:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/BrianFortune1/status/368024508596117504
    Seems very coincidental if he isn’t actually filming there.

    But then, his is one of the roles that could be easily recast since his name wasn’t mentioned on screen. And, not to shit on this actor or something, but they probably didn’t look to thoroughly for an apropriate actor as he was basically a recurring extra in season 1 and that was before ADWD came out (where the character becomes more important).

    Maybe someone with a twitter account can ask him?

    Er:

    Took this pic in Belfast last week. Good to know King Billy is on the wall..! #GameofThrones #NightsWatch pic.twitter.com/p8tfcQbxXv

    Given the hashtags there…

    I also liked him a lot in Season 1 and remembered an interview where he was hoping to return when the character comes back. I hope he does as the role he fills would be quite changed if it were replaced with someone like Locke.

    EDIT: Agreed 100% with Hounded

  149. Gatsby
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:04 pm | Permalink

    Noah Taylor may be heading to the wall, but we do not know that Locke is heading to the wall. He is probably recast as Samwell Tarley. ;p

  150. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    More ah Noah is a wobderful thing. It is also wonderful.

  151. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    James,

    Not only the hashtags, but the whole message seems to tease about Game Of Thrones. “Good to know King Billy is on the Wall!

  152. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    True enough. But something about that specific tweet and its wording (along with a few others mentioning GoT) make me feel like it isn’t beyond the realm of possibility. And the fact he is Dublin based only makes him more viable for a return (since it wouldn’t be much of a problem).

    But, as I said before, the role us ripe for a recast and the show has proven it isn’t afraid of doing that to minor roles when necessary. It’s not very likely that he would be Bowen Marsh again but who knows, really?

  153. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    I tweeted at Brian Fortune and asked him point blank (citing wicnet). I doubt he’s actually playing the role but I’m pretty bold so whatever.

  154. Jentario
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Well, he probably won’t answer unless he isn’t returning (and then he could just say no). Maybe he won’t answer at all. We’ll see.

  155. Ismael Isak
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Greg,

    I really think he is either going to get beheaded by Jon for not following order ala Janos Slynt which would really suck because I need Janos to get his head chopped by the son of Ned. Or he might make a marry band with Alison Thorne and Janos Slynt

  156. Chickenduck
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    The Dragon Demands:
    I hope they gate “Gatehouse” Amerei Frey.

    Actually, they might – given her role in Lancel Lannister’s storyline.

    Vote +1 from me. Gatehouse Ami is one of the more memorable tertiary Frey characters. I mean, it’s not confirmed whether Lancel will be back, but assuming he is, then…

  157. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    beatlefloydzeppelin,

    You forgot the Kinks.

  158. Ms. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    I’m a big fan of the Gabaldon series….Don’t know about these casting choices though…Dougal was tall and handsome, with a head full of hair….I guess I’d better find an Outlander forum where I can kvetch about such things.

  159. Darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    While I do not think Locke would be merged with Bowen Marsh on some other Night’s Watch elder, I can see them using his character in place of one of them maybe.

    He would not need to be an honorable gentleman like Mallister or a bold and harsh Cotter Pyke, he would just be an alternate candidate for Lord Commander later on. Thus eliminating the need of a new role to cast.

    Still not sure I’m in favor of this idea exactly, but I can accept it more easily if I look at it from this angle – Locke can do some of the same things as a different character from the books without needing to be that character from the books.

    I do think they must have some larger plan for Locke than just being an annoyance to Jon Snow. They already have Janos Slynt and Alliser Thorne playing that role to a large degree.

  160. Darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Ms. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I have not read any of the books so I can’t comment on the casting choices too much, other than I like some of the actors they have cast regardless of the roles they were cast in. I tend to like McTavish and Tobias Menzies in most of their roles, and John Dahl dircting the first two episodes is not a bad thing either!

    That said, hearing about STARZ and Cinemax drama series just does not excite me as much as it would if Outlander was on a different network. Starz drama series have been really hit and miss (mostly miss) with me and the overall quality seems to be well below say HBO and Showtime…

    Still going to check out the series though even with my prejudices against Starz .

  161. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    So is it clear whether Locke is just taking the Black or is he taking the Black and going to the Wall? Because if its the former it might be possible that Locke and several of his men may be sent to the Wall for their role in the “unhanding” of Jaime, but the question remains will they get to the Wall? If Locke and co escape captivity then that puts them right in the same area as Brienne. Locke, a deserter of the NW and the leader of a whole band of renegades resembling an unofficial Brave Companions marauding the Riverlands would be very exciting. Here’s hoping that D and D and I are on the same page.

    What do you think guys?

  162. Bill
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Yes! Been hoping for a Belgariad series/movie for years! But Eddings was dead set against it, before he died.

  163. Chickenduck
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    So is it clear whether Locke is just taking the Black or is he taking the Black and going to the Wall? Because if its the former it might be possible that Locke and several of his men may be sent to the Wall for their role in the “unhanding” of Jaime, but the question remains will they get to the Wall? If Locke and co escape captivity then that puts them right in the same area as Brienne. Locke, a deserter of the NW and the leader of a whole band of renegades resembling an unofficial Brave Companions marauding the Riverlands would be very exciting. Here’s hoping that D and D and I are on the same page.

    What do you think guys?

    That’s a really cool idea… Brienne meeting a group of Night’s Watch deserters who just happen to be lead by Locke. Then cutting them up.

    But I could also go for Locke being a candidate in the election… as the character is a complete prick, but also very charismatic. He probably couldn’t replace Cotter Pyke long term though, unless it turns out he’s got sailing skills.

    And anyway, is he really that “evil” or just a downtrodden hoodlum who is angry at the establishment?

  164. Bill
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Jon was killed because he wanted to march south, not because he turned wildlings into friends

  165. fadelk
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Maybe locke is sent to the wall but manages to escape and go rogue, making his encounter with brienne possible

  166. Hounded
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Bill,

    He was killed for many different reasons which accumulated throughout DWD. Wanting to march South was one factor, turning wildlings into friends was another. Wanting to rescue the wildlings from Hardhome was another. It was a complicated situation.

  167. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Darquemode:
    Still not sure I’m in favor of this idea exactly, but I can accept it more easily if I look at it from this angle – Locke can do some of the same things as a different character from the books without needing to be that character from the books.

    I do think they must have some larger plan for Locke than just being an annoyance to Jon Snow. They already haveJanos Slynt and Alliser Thorne playing that role to a large degree.

    This is the only thing that makes sense to me…that Locke takes on the actions of another character…someone like Cotter Pyke…someone other than Bowen Marsh.

    At some point, don’t we need to see that there are honorable men in the NW? Rather than shoe-horn Locke into a role, I would rather see Donal Noye. The last thing we need is another jerk at Castle Black.

    Some of the decisions for S4 are starting to concern me…

  168. Cary Storm
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    https://twitter.com/BrianFortune1/status/375396560433328128 “@bastique Nope….up on other business
    ;-)”

    We can put the Brian Fortune returning as Bowen Marsh theories to rest.

  169. mariamb
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm:
    Jentario,

    https://twitter.com/BrianFortune1/status/375396560433328128 “@bastique Nope….up on other business
    ;-)”

    We can put the Brian Fortune returning as Bowen Marsh theories to rest.

    That’s too bad. Thanks for asking him the question.

  170. Rygar
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Thanks for asking

  171. Carne
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    I want your beard.

  172. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Another possibility is that Locke deserts after staying at the NW for a couple of episodes. He then goes to Ramsay to give him intel about the NW and fill the roll of one of Ramsay’s henchmen. Yellow Dick or Dameon Dance for Me.

  173. Utiz4321
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Fat Walda!!!!

  174. TheBlackFlame
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    omarlittletheking:

    Perhaps, D&D find a way of include Robb will, Bolton finds out who is the heir and he orders Locke to kill Jon. Locke could stab Jon instead of Bowen Marsh and for different reasons. GRRM and D&D arrive to the same point but for differents routes

    What will? Thats just a dumb fan theory one that I might add there is absolutely no evidence supporting so its not a spoiler.

  175. Enfield
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    TheBlackFlame,

    Robb clearly stated in ASOS that he wanted Jon to succeed him, or did you mean that it was never written into a legitimate will?

  176. Darquemode
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I like that idea quite a bit!
    “Taking the black” is not necessarily the same as reaching the Wall and being part of the Night’s Watch after all… It would be a nice replacement for Rorge and Biter and give him something more to do than just annoy Jon!

    Locke is too strong of a character and has to be more than just Jon’s foil. If not your idea, a LC candidate… something more than just at The Wall.

  177. TheBlackFlame
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Enfield:
    TheBlackFlame,

    Robb clearly stated in ASOS that he wanted Jon to succeed him, or did you mean that it was never written into a legitimate will?

    Chapter and page please I don’t remember that at all.

  178. KG
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Well said. I agree entirely.

  179. Enfield
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    TheBlackFlame,

    It’s page 628-9 in the paperback, when Robb is talking to Catelyn. The exact quote:

    “Should I die without issue, I want him to succeed me as King in the North.”

  180. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Bill,

    He was killed

    Wait. You guys have the 6th book already?!

  181. sunspear
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: Wait. You guys have the 6th book already?!

    I really don’t see anyway he survived what we read in the fifth book. He’s likely to be resurrected, but that still counts as dead.

  182. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    sunspear: I really don’t see anyway he survived what we read in the fifth book. He’s likely to be resurrected, but that still counts as dead.

    He only got three or four stab wounds and he was wearing thick fur. It’s doubtful an organ was pierced. If an artery wasn’t cut he probably survived. People do survive stab wounds quite often. I’m not saying he can’t be dead, but it isn’t certain.

  183. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Jack,

    Ditto, from both comments.

  184. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:36 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: From what I can tell, this is a bit of an exaggeration from what D&D and GRRM have said about not assuming that characters will live as long as they do in the books, and that an actress had been pleading for her character to live longer (sounded like beyond this season) instead of being killed on schedule.

    This was my recollection, also. If I’m not mistaken, the actresses’s name was not
    given at the time. My speculation is that this refers to Ygritte or someone
    whose death occurred already last season.

  185. sunspear
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    One of those stabs wounds was a slash across his throat though. And he passed out pretty quick. I’m saying no way he survives that.

  186. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    Good point. This perspective reasons well to calm the concerns
    I had, specifically.

  187. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Carne:
    Cary Storm,

    I want your beard.

    But he’s secretly a Greyjoy, and has a Parrot perched on his shoulder ! That whole
    Stannis support, from months past, was just a sham. I’m sure he works for lady
    Olenna Redwynne during off seasons. Trust….no….one !

  188. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Enfield:
    TheBlackFlame,

    It’s page 628-9 in the paperback, when Robb is talking to Catelyn.The exact quote:

    It is known……

  189. GeekFurious
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    sunspear: I really don’t see anyway he survived what we read in the fifth book. He’s likely to be resurrected, but that still counts as dead.

    A Stark isn’t dead until he has no more animals or people to warg into.

  190. WildSeed
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Omar:
    I wonder what they plan on doing with Locke at the wall.

    A much headier subject than the likes of Fat Walda and a MoleTowne’s madame.
    Wasn’t it a brothel of some sort ?

  191. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    My views on these developments:

    I was never expecting to see fat Walda, I always assumed that she would be the sort of character that is mentioned but never seen on screen, so I am pleasantly surprised by this. But I think the most important thing here is that we will definitely see Roose Bolton again in season 4, and probably Walder Frey as well. This works with my theory that we will get a scene at the Twins where Roose informs Walder that he is heading to King’s Landing for the royal wedding. My theory is that Roose will get there in episode 3 where Ramsay will be legitimised as a reward for his role in the Red Wedding. After Joffrey dies he will have a scene with Tywin where they discuss how to hold the North now that Tyrion is arrested and Sansa fled, and they agree to wed Arya to Ramsay. We then get a scene later in the season where Roose is presented with ‘Arya Stark’ and then leaves.

    For the mole’s town woman: the episodes that Alex Graves is directing are 2, 3, 8 and 10. In the books the people of mole’s town are warned of the impending attacks before the battle in which Ygritte dies. So I’m predicting that we will see this woman in episode 3 (or possibly 2), with the battle taking place in episode 5. The reason I say that the battle will be in episode 5 is that we know Joseph Gatt (who, let’s face it, is Styr) will be in 4 episode under 3 directors, and since episode 4 is likely to be Joffrey’s wedding it is unlikely that the battle will be then. This also rules out Styr being consecutively in the first 4 episodes as he will be in the battle. That leaves episodes 1, 2, 3 and 5 for Styr’s appearances, meaning that the battle will be in episode 5.

    Finally, for the returning character: This completely throws off my theory. My original theory was that Polliver, Rorge and Biter would all die in the inn at the hands of Sandor and Arya, with Locke being the one that fights Brienne. Now my theory is this: Arya stabs Polliver in the inn, causing Rorge and Biter to attack. Sandor kills Biter but Rorge forces them to retreat and injures Sandor, causing him to drop his hound helmet (which he magically has back with him, because screw continuity :P). This allows Rorge to become ‘the Hound’ as he is in the books. He then attacks Brienne and co in season 5 as he does in the books.

    Now, as for Locke himself: I think in episode 1 Gregor will be sent to execute the Bolton men in Harrenhal as payment for Jaime’s hand. The battle occurs (possibly off-screen) and Locke flees. He then shows up at Castle Black in episode 8 with Janos and Alliser and imprisons Jon, joining their little group. Then there are two possibilities: he can either join in Alliser and Janos’ scheming in season 5, possibly being executed with Janos (but possibly not), or he could take a Bowen Marsh role and kill Jon in season 6 (or both). I personally would prefer it if he joined in the scheming, but did not go on to lead the Watch in betraying Jon (he could be one of the ones that stabs Jon, but not lead it), as that would change the reasoning behind the Watch turning on Jon completely. There has to be that voice there being conservative and telling Jon he is breaking his vows, and Locke can’t be that voice, it just wouldn’t be believable.

  192. King Tommen
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: A Stark isn’t dead until he has no more animals or people to warg into.

    If one has read all of the ASOIAF books, then the opening prologue of ADwD should be all you need to know about Jon’s fate. There may as well have been a flashing neon sign on every page of that chapter saying “What I’m showing you with Varamyr is going to be really important when it comes to someone else later on … pay attention.”

  193. mullendore's monkey
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Guy’s nobody will ever forget about anyone. HBO has a horrible habit of ruining surprises by showing actors/actresses from previous episodes in the opening montage. Remember Barristan Selmy in episode 1???

  194. Eleanor
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    sayed: I know that this subject has nothing to do with this posting , but ? I wish somebody would adapt for TV – The Belgariad and Mallorean series by – David Eddings ?

    It wouldn’t work at all. Too reliant on banter and too large a cast who are all in the same place at the same time.

  195. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    This is pure speculation on my part, but something tells me that Thorne is going to transition more towards the ‘good’ side, leaving Slynt and (later) Locke as the main antagonistic characters at Castle Black. Perhaps Tywin will discover that it was Locke who had Jaime’s hand cut off, and thus commands Roose to have him sent to the Wall to assassinate (by any means necessary, including subterfuge) the last remaining ‘Stark’… But again, just wild speculation. Can’t say I’d have a problem with a scenario like that. Though I did expect Locke to end up interacting with Brienne & Podrick during their travels, although I seem to recall that Rorge (or was it Biter?) was confirmed to be returning this season, so it’s likely he’ll probably take the ‘villain’ role in that plot thread.

  196. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,
    If Alliser Thorne switched more towards a neutral stance and took over Bowen Marsh’s role, I would actually be absolutely fine with that. Janos beheaded, Locke sent beyond the Wall, and Alliser still at Castle Black as a senior member of the Watch. If this happens I just hope they can find a way for them to do it while still having Alliser take part in Jon’s arrest, if not also the scheming against him.

  197. omarlittletheking.
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    TheBlackFlame:
    What will? Thats just a dumb fan theory one that I might add there is absolutely no evidence supporting so its not a spoiler.

    Somebody already put chapter and page and ASOIAF’s app (approved by GRRM) says that Robb legitimitized Jon and named him his heir. And the spoiler tag was for Jon being stabbed by Bowen Marsh.
    I preffer be over cautious about spoiler’s tags than spoil something as important as Jon’s death to somebody that hasn’t read the books.

  198. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: A Stark isn’t dead until he has no more animals or people to warg into.

    “Ghost, come.”

  199. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    What was that you were saying?

    mariamb: Some of the decisions for S4 are starting to concern me…

    Oh, yeah. *Sigh.*

  200. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: But I think the most important thing here is that we will definitely see Roose Bolton again in season 4, and probably Walder Frey as well.

    Starting to think we’ll probably see some sort of scene where Walder Frey is informed of yet another family member killed in strange fashion in the Riverlands. And I love that Fat Walda is going to make an appearance. Now I’m also hoping for Genna Lannister, Jaime’s aunt, who has that great moment where she tells Jaime what a good man he is, but that “Tyrion is Tywin’s son.”

  201. charle4mall
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    They most likely want Locke at the Wall because they liked Noah Taylor’s performance a lot and just want more of that.

    As for the logic: Locke probably would run there once he found out Bolton and Lannisters are in league and figured Bolton would sell him out to the Lannisters for punishment.

  202. Jason
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Gotta say I was really looking forward to The Mountain feeding Locke his own limbs.
    I guess that kind of end fitted Vargo Hoat more as he had a reputation for cutting off hands and feet, and Locke simply cut Jaime’s hand off because he felt like it at the time.

    But still, a death like that shows both how sick The Mountain is and how ruthless and vengeful Tywin is. I hope whatever they do with him lives up to that.

    Vargo by far had the most creative and satisfying death in the book series so far IMO.

  203. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 4, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Like others have stated, I’ll be disappointed if Brienne doesn’t have a chance to exact some retribution upon Locke for herself and Jaime I’m not holding my breath with this latest rumor (still stung from the BBP tease). As far as I’m concerned, Locke is a dead man walking.

    I like the female character casting news reported…thanks…although doesn’t Mole’s Town get pillaged soon?

  204. House Snow
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    LOL at people complaining about not getting a Briene scene that doesn’t even happen in the books. You guys keep topping yourselves.

  205. Braincandy
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:31 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Lara,

    Noah Taylor returning is not a spoiler. The spoiler is him returning as Night’s Watch and that is what is after the break.

    Actually it says “he’ll be taking the black” not that he’s already there. What does the source say? Can you give a link?

    If he’s headed there, it’s possible he never makes it because he gets tasked with finding “something” as suggested by another poster. If D&D do this it will add the the drama/suspense.

  206. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    charle4mall,

    This. D&D will write more stuff for certain characters if they like the actor/actress portraying them. They have said as much. Noah Taylor really stood out last season as a great villain. I suppose him heading to the Wall will eventually tie in to the whole Jon/Stannis vs the Boltons in later seasons.

  207. Lord Of Lite
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Just because Locke is sentenced to to take the black does not mean that he will be going to the Wall. He could escape and create havoc in the heartland. Maybe he is still destined to be a thorn in the sides of Jaime and Brienne.

  208. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    House Snow: LOL at people complaining about not getting a Briene scene that doesn’t even happen in the books. You guys keep topping yourselves.

    *yawn*
    …and Locke’s supposed date with the NW happened in the books? And Talisa’s gutting? And Pudpounder Pod? And Ros? And Jaime’s premature return to KL?
    I’m sure you have your reasons for being obtuse but prideful ignorance is bliss only for the agitator.

    That being said….where the hell is TWoW??

  209. Chickenduck
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    charle4mall,

    This. D&D will write more stuff for certain characters if they like the actor/actress portraying them. They have said as much. Noah Taylor really stood out last season as a great villain.

    Absolutely, and I totally support them in this instance… Noah Taylor is awesome.

  210. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: That being said….where the hell is TWoW??

    Patience….. resistance is futile…. and all that . Really, mate, we’ve got years to go.
    Quit making us sad *>*

  211. Chickenduck
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: Patience….. resistance is futile…. and all that . Really, mate, we’ve got years to go.
    Quit making us sad*>*

    Why does that tag have my name on it? It was Hodor’s Bastard who said that. The site software’s going funny again.

  212. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Why does that tag have my name on it? It was Hodor’s Bastard who said that. The site software’s going funny again.

    …or the whiskey is flowing well in Cali….
    Sorry to make you sad, WildSeed.

  213. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    Interesting, I quoted Hodor’s Bastard above, and ChickenDuck’s name popped up.
    WTF ? *%$#!

  214. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    Har ! we’re all thinking the same thing about that quote , above.
    Something’s off for the site *>*

  215. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: …or the whiskey is flowing well in Cali….
    Sorry to make you sad, WildSeed.

    I can’t hold my liquor , so I only cook with it. So sad .

  216. Loki
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 2:42 am | Permalink

    House Snow, its not about us. its about d&d. not only they screw up the georges story, now they are getting to the point when they are changing THEIR vision of asoiaf for the worst.

  217. vlad
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:59 am | Permalink

    Locke??? We know Alliser Thorne is returning… so maybe Locke is taking Janos Slynts place from the books??? The thing is I liked Locke’s character, but Janos Slynt was perfect cast, so in character, and had one of the most satisfying moments in the entire series. Are they wasting that??? :(

  218. Maddy
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:11 am | Permalink

    I ship Roose/Walda

  219. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:24 am | Permalink

    vlad,

    No. Slynt’s actor is coming back too.

  220. LittleCatPaws
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    sayed:
    I know that this subject has nothing to do with this posting , but ? I wish somebody would adapt for TV – The Belgariad and Mallorean series by – David Eddings ?

    God yes!! <3

  221. Chickenduck
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 5:56 am | Permalink

    Loki:
    House Snow, its not about us. its about d&d. not only they screw up the georges story, now they are getting to the point when they are changing THEIR vision of asoiaf for the worst.

    Yeah, I know. Season 4 was awful. I mean, Locke in the NW sucked balls. And the way Brienne didn’t get to carve up Locke personally? Ridiculous. It was so bad, I had to come back from the future specifically to tell you this.

  222. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,
    lol, this^

    Anyway, back to casting, there are a few more roles that I would still like to see cast for season 4:

    Night’s Watch and Beyond the Wall (because the Noah Taylor report implies that they at least haven’t finished filming the Night’s Watch stuff yet):
    - Bowen Marsh (I could see him being pushed back to season 5, but I like to think we will see him in season 4)
    - Coldhands (although the fact that we haven’t heard anything about him despite Isaac’s presence in NI is making me fear that he has been cut altogether…)
    - Val (combine with Dalla)

    Essos:
    - Hizdahr zo Loraq (because if they have a Meereenese noble meet with Daenerys, it makes sense for it to be Hizdahr so they can build him up early)
    - Brown Ben Plumm (because having him leading the Stormcrows provides the opportunity for more battles, and they need him around for later)

    Iron Islands (because we haven’t heard anything about them filming anything yet):
    - Aeron Greyjoy (although I could see him being cut altogether. But then again, if they cast Fat Walda, I don’t see why he wouldn’t be cast)
    - Euron Greyjoy (but not Victarion yet. people often forget that Euron crowns himself unopposed for a while before the Kingsmoot)
    - Tristifer Botley (combined with Qarl, so YarAsha has someone to interact with)

  223. Eljuma
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 7:07 am | Permalink

    Remember that back when Taylor was cast for S3, people speculated that he was in the NW because he was riding with some guys, all in black…

  224. Chickenduck
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 7:08 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I reckon the Iron Islands continuation, however D&D choose to modify it, won’t be onscreen until S5. This season will stick with Yara’s quest. We’d have heard something if there was a casting for any further Greyjoys. Unless Gatiss is Damphair.

    From the setup of the S3 finale, I’m expecting the Iron Islands storyline to be completely different from the books.

  225. Turncloak
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 7:57 am | Permalink

    Beth,

    Locke and “sympathetic character” do not go hand in hand. Jon would be a fool to trust him which he won’t because D&D know better. Bowen Marsh will be recast in season 5. That would make Jon seem like a complete idiot if Locke does him inLocke will die at the battle of the wall or get executed alongside Janos Slynt. Another option is that he becomes a Lord Connander contendor alongside Janos

  226. Poks
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    I Think Locke will replace Hyle Hunt in the series…Noah Taylor has starred in a academy award winning films, so i dont see him coming back for a mere cameo in season 4..

  227. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck,
    As far as I am aware we haven’t heard anything about YarAsha or Balon filming anything yet this year, so I don’t think they’ve had to cast anything yet. Also, YarAsha doing something different this season doesn’t mean we won’t get the book storyline. I predict the Ironborn stuff to play out something like this (NOTE – my prediction hinges on Rickon being in season 4, which admittedly is feeling increasingly unlikely, unfortunately):
    - Episode 1 or 2: a scene with YarAsha and Tris on the way to the Dreadfort.
    - Episode 2: The episode opens with Myranda fleeing through the woods naked. We then switch to Ramsay and Theon who are hunting her. When she is caught they abuse her. We get a short Rickon and Osha scene to remind us that they exist. The final scene in the episode is a conversation between Aeron and Balon in Pyke where we get some backstory on the brothers while they walk around. As they start crossing one of the bridges an unknown figure pushes Balon over the edge to his death as Aeron looks on in distress. The final shot is him noticing the Silence in the distance with a look of terror.
    - Episode 3: The episode opens with Aeron and some small lords in Pyke’s throne room. Euron bursts through the doors flanked with his men. He crowns himself, and when one of the small lords opposes him Euron has him drowned. Aeron confronts Euron. The episode ends with YarAsha arriving at the Dreadfort. A battle ensues and YarAsha is driven back. Ramsay taunts YarAsha with the knowledge of Balon’s death, which is how she finds out about it. She is forced to retreat and decides to return to Pyke at once to claim her inheritance and raise the entire force of the Islands to save Theon.
    - Episode 4: We get a short scene with YarAsha and Tris, who are back on their ship, discussing the situation. Rickon and Osha reach the Last Hearth, but although they are treated kindly Hother Umber secretly sends word to the Dreadfort about their whereabouts.
    - Episode 5: Ramsay is punishing Theon for the actions of his sister. He also informs Theon of Robb’s death, much to his distress. They are interrupted with a letter from the Last Hearth and tells Theon “Let’s go on a hunt!”
    - Episode 6: Ramsay and Theon arrive at the Last Hearth only to find Rickon and Osha gone, as they learnt of the betrayal (really the Umbers let them go, but sent the letter as they do not have the strength to oppose the Boltons). We then briefly see Rickon and Osha on the run. YarAsha arrives back at Pyke only to be met by Aeron at the dock, and he explains the situation to her. She goes on to confront Euron only to be dismissed.
    - Episode 7: Ramsay and Theon manage to track down Rickon and Osha, but Theon saves them by saying it isn’t them despite his fear of Ramsay (remember, show Ramsay doesn’t know what they look like).
    - Episode 8: YarAsha and Aeron take council together and we get some more Euron backstory. Victarion is also name-dropped in the conversation.
    - Episode 9 (although I believe the episode will be dominated by the siege of the Wall, I don’t think it will all be that in a Blackwater style episode): YarAsha/Aeron confronts Euron and informs him that a Kingsmoot has been declared.
    - Episode 10: Ramsay and Theon are now back at the Dreadfort and Ramsay is punishing him for their failure. Meanwhile, Osha tells Rickon that it is no longer safe for them in the North (this sets up season 5 for all of Theon’s pre-Winterfell stuff, and for Osha and Rickon travelling to Skagos, with them arriving somewhere mid-season)
    Season 5 episode 1: Victarion arrives and we get the setup for the Kingsmoot
    Season 5 episode 2: The Kingsmoot

    As for Roose Bolton: I believe he will visit King’s Landing and hang around there for most of the season, and we get Ramsay’s legitimisation and the setup for the Jeyne Poole/Fake Arya storyline. Imagine a scene between him and Tywin :P

  228. Paradise Lost
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Yes! I hadn’t dared to hope for Walda but there she is and quite cute, too. Seeing her together with Roose is going to be so great.

  229. H. Stark
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    Lena has uploades photos with Charles, Pedro and Indira :D

    http://instagram.com/p/d4K8mSvA1u/

    http://instagram.com/p/d4MCaDPA2v/

  230. Boojam
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    Also , unless I missed something, Natalia Tena’s mention , some while ago, she has had no call up, still holds, so no Rickon and Osha season 4?

  231. Turncloak
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:08 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Fantastic :D

  232. Turncloak
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I see that as a strong possibility. I never got the vibe that Alliser Thorne was evil in season 1. He seemed more like a drill sergeant trying to turn boys into men. I like show Alliser way more than the book version

  233. Morgan King
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:30 am | Permalink

    So has anybody mentioned the Mountain’s re-re-casting? I just saw it on io9.com – an Icelandic strongman named Thor Bjornsson. He does look a bit like Conan, but multiple recasts pains whatever need for canon and consistency I guess I’m inclined towards.

  234. Pau
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    LittleCatPaws: God yes!! <3

    Maybe for the disney channel? Or the CW

  235. Winter Is Coming
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Morgan King:
    So has anybody mentioned the Mountain’s re-re-casting? I just saw it on io9.com – an Icelandic strongman named Thor Bjornsson. He does look a bit like Conan, but multiple recasts pains whatever need for canon and consistency I guess I’m inclined towards.

    Mention it? We broke the news.

  236. Morgan King
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Oh, I missed it – my WIC-reading is less obsessive in the off season! Thanks!

  237. Darkenmal
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    There is more than one guy who does the deed, Locke could be used in a scene or two on how he subtly starts urging Marsh to do it.

  238. Insomniacroady
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Lol Jon deserves it? Tactically it was the only move he could make. No help was forthcoming from anywhere else and he had to man the wall.

  239. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Anyone think that this picture of filming on the Giants Causeway could be Yara related? Thinking maybe this is going to be the landing point for her crew.

    https://twitter.com/LMFinnis/status/374589978246119424/photo/1

  240. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters:
    Anyone think that this picture of filming on the Giants Causeway could be Yara related? Thinking maybe this is going to be the landing point for her crew.

    https://twitter.com/LMFinnis/status/374589978246119424/photo/1

    I think it would have to be her or Gendry. Or maybe Davos? They are basically the only ones who will be at sea trying to land.

  241. mariamb
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber:
    GeekFurious,

    What was that you were saying?

    Oh, yeah. *Sigh.*

    *Sigh.* Guess you don’t share my concern.

    On to other topics…
    Art Parkinson tweeted a link to an article confirming that he has been in Northern Ireland filming “Dracula.”

    https://twitter.com/ArtRickonrockon

    http://www.iftn.ie/news/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4286414&tpl=archnews&force=1

    Since Natalia tweeted a few weeks back that she was filming in Barcelona, it is becoming more likely that Rickon and Osha will not be seen in S4.

  242. Loki
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters,
    please be kingsmoot. i know this isn’t possible but please kingsmoot. you can even call asha yara if she’ll be there. and if she won’t i’ll be very angry and wont feed my cat for two days. you can escape this punishment, though, by making this scene anything else but kingsmoot but you’ll need a written letter of apology to fandom for this.

  243. Loki
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu, what are you more obsessed with, the show or your endless versions of how the storylines will develop in the future? why not just end this nonsense and just write the whole script for the upcoming 50 episodes yourself? this was not supposed to be an insult or anythimg by the way.

  244. chez
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    I don’t get why people think Locke has to be “evil” – I mean, to me he seemed like a typical grey shaded character. Jaime Lannister to the Northerner’s is a punk, the epitome of what the North hates about the South. Typical cocky Knight who thinks he’s better then everyone else.

    Why can’t he replace Ironhand or whatever that guys name was? The one who trains with Jon all the time. It’s not like Locke is an evil character, all he did was cut off Jaime’s hand…which to be honest – until book 3 I was all about bad things happening to Jaime.

    Or like someone said above – maybe Locke is sent North to hunt for Bran and Rickon, I’m sure Bolton has thought that maybe they are hiding with their only remaining brother at the Wall. And to avoid Tywin wanted a head for a pike – Bolton sends Locke to the Wall, tells Tywin he sent him to the wall as punishment.

  245. Loki
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    chez: It’s not like Locke is an evil character, all he did was cut off Jaime’s hand

    yeah, and throwing an ally to the bearpit of certain death was just a mere misunderstanding

  246. Carne
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t sound like Alan Taylor will be back for season 5 either :( http://www.slashfilm.com/thor-the-dark-world-director-alan-taylor-to-direct-terminator-5/

  247. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    chez,

    You seem to forget the rape attempts.

  248. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Loki,

    Haha, Loki. Taking out anger spasms on your cats. I would guess the Kingsmoot will be in season 5 since we’ve had zero Greyjoy-related castings revealed so far and also because of Yara going on an off-book mission at the end of season 3. That said, this scene screams “Kingsmoot” louder than your cat screams “Food”.

  249. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    chez:
    I don’t get why people think Locke has to be “evil” – I mean, to me he seemed like a typical grey shaded character. Jaime Lannister to the Northerner’s is a punk, the epitome of what the North hates about the South. Typical cocky Knight who thinks he’s better then everyone else.

    Why can’t he replace Ironhand or whatever that guys name was? The one who trains with Jon all the time. It’s not like Locke is an evil character, all he did was cut off Jaime’s hand…which to be honest – until book 3 I was all about bad things happening to Jaime.

    Or like someone said above – maybe Locke is sent North to hunt for Bran and Rickon, I’m sure Bolton has thought that maybe they are hiding with their only remaining brother at the Wall. And to avoid Tywin wanted a head for a pike – Bolton sends Locke to the Wall, tells Tywin he sent him to the wall as punishment.

    I don’t share much love for Jaime Lannister, but Locke… well… GRRM did well
    in pointing out Vargo Hoat psychopathic/sadist tendencies via previous deeds.
    Where his brutish sellsword companions proved reluctant ( a rare thing for a
    Brave Companion ), Hoat would challenge the limits for bloodthirst. Perhaps a
    re-read is in order, or perhaps you forget that GoT’s Locke is based on ASOIAF’s
    Hoat.

  250. world_dancer
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    I’m excited about the actress playing Walda. She looks just right to me: pretty but hefty. And as she may be one of the few foils for Roose in private moments, I hope she actually has a slightly larger part than in the books, just as an aid to that plotline.

  251. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Insomniacroady,

    First of all, spoiler tags. Secondly, read my post again. I never said Jon deserves it, only that Bowen’s decision is completely understandable given Jon’s actions in the book (a second post of mind explains this well). Jon had good intentions and good goals but he tried to achieve them with no communication with his men all the while alienating himself from them purposefully and doing things that are in their opinions directly against the Night’s Watch code (and again, with no communication). In that last bit, he pretty much said “I am going to break my oaths but you don’t have to join me if you don’t want to.” That, along with many many other questionable decisions of his (sending Pyke on a suicide mission, letting wildlings beyond the Wall and giving Stannis- the losing King- the Nightfort) made Bowen and the traitors believe Jon is the wrong leader for the Night’s Watch and that’s why they cried as they did it. They weren’t in any way evil, even if I completely disagree with their actions, and that’s what made that scene even more tragic.

  252. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    He is not based on Hoat, he’s completely different.

  253. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Westeros.org and Game of Thrones/Wiki site, both list Vargo Hoat as inspiration
    for GoT’s Locke character, specifically based.

  254. Jentario
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    He is nothing like Hoat. That’s like saying Talissa is like Jeyne Westerling. Completely different characters with completely different personalities in the same (or similar) situations.

  255. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Loki,
    I don’t know, it’s a very close call… Probably my predictions :P

    mariamb,
    That is rather disappointing. D&D had the perfect opportunity to go beyond the story told in the books when it comes to Rickon…

  256. sherry
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    Elizabeth is a BBW! She’s chubby but one of the prettier Freys. She looks familiar, what has she played on before?

  257. WildSeed
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    WildSeed,

    He is nothing like Hoat. That’s like saying Talissa is like Jeyne Westerling. Completely different characters with completely different personalities in the same (or similar) situations.

    Can’t argue with that comparison, and I’m not one to perceive each character
    differently than introduced. It bodes well for me to accept at face value, for the most part.
    On the other hand, when giving reference to facts being put forth, I’ve
    included the designations of interest from two respected sources.
    That is all.

    For what it’s worth, I detested the Brave Companions, and found characteristics of
    each as something I’d choose to ignore while reading.

  258. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Update on the Night’s Watch: Pyp’s actor Josef Atlin tweeted today that he’s still filming Season 4, so that rumour about Kit saying they’d finished filming was definitely false.

  259. GhostCR
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Corbray,

    Oh no, please… I don’t mind Locke being at the Wall to make things more complicated for Jon, but not at the expense of Janos Slynt!!!! I just hope they stop “twicking” Jon’s story so much. They’ve omited his warging, they rushed his relationship with Qoring the Halfhand, they changed the fact that thanks to Ghost, he found the stash of dragonglass with which he made the weapon Sam used to slay the White Walker… Please, please… I want to get to the point when Edd is asked to fetch something for him!

  260. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 5, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: This. D&D will write more stuff for certain characters if they like the actor/actress portraying them. They have said as much. Noah Taylor really stood out last season as a great villain.

    Very true. He really did stand out. Made me not even care that they changed the Vargo Hoat thing – he really did great work as a resentful asshole.

  261. Jentario
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Can’t see a thing on my phone…

  262. Rygar
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 7:05 am | Permalink

    Locke is just misunderstood. Can’t wait for GRRM to write us his POV so we all fall in love with him. And Ramsay.

  263. bufkus
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    I can’t see Locke replacing Janos Slynt or Alliser Thorne. If D&D do that, then they are terrible writers.

    Yes we all hate Locke and he’s a great villain, but let’s not forget what he did: he punished one of Jon Snow’s biggest antagonists. If anything, if Jon were to find out what he did to Jaime, he’d practically make Locke his right hand man. For Locke to end up being Janos Slynt’d by Jon, that would just be completely terrible horrible writing. We already have a Janos Slynt, we don’t need Locke to replace him.

    I stand by my prediction that Locke is just there to be a familiar face at the wall when the wildlings attack. Maybe he survives and becomes a commander who passes wisdom down to the young’ns or something.

  264. Loki
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink
  265. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: Locke is just misunderstood. Can’t wait for GRRM to write us his POV so we all fall in love with him. And Ramsay.

    Are there any truly evil/psychotic POVs in ASoI&F? Maybe Cersei, I guess.

  266. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hodor’s Bastard: Are there any truly evil/psychotic POVs in ASoI&F? Maybe Cersei, I guess.

    Tyrion is kind of on a psychotic break right now, I guess. And if we’re talking evil, I’m going to say Victarion certainly comes closest, right after Cersei. And Theon gets pretty close in his earlier chapters, even if it’s more a pathetic kind of evil through ignorance.

    Melisandre is an interesting case, of course, since even though she is proven to have empathy and genuinely fights for what she believes is the good side, a lot of her actions are morally reprehensible, especially because she believes she is validated to commit them through Rhllor. In good old D&D terms, she’d absolutely be lawfully evil.

    (I’d define evil here as a genuine inability to care for others, combined with acts of cruelty, sadism and murder.)

  267. H. Stark
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink
  268. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Hodor’s Bastard, Tyrion is kind of on a psychotic break right now, I guess. And if we’re talking evil, I’m going to say Victarion certainly comes closest, right after Cersei. And Theon gets pretty close in his earlier chapters, even if it’s more a pathetic kind of evil through ignorance. Melisandre is an interesting case, of course, since even though she is proven to have empathy and genuinely fights for what she believes is the good side, a lot of her actions are morally reprehensible, especially because she believes she is validated to commit them through Rhllor. In good old D&D terms, she’d absolutely be lawfully evil.(I’d define evil here as a genuine inability to care for others, combined with acts of cruelty, sadism and murder.)

    Hmmm, I’m going to have to revisit ol’ Vic to get his mindset….but I couldn’t put him in the category of Joffrey, Mountain, Ramsay, Cersei or Locke/Hoat. He’s a general and a conqueror….no different than a Targaryen in some aspects.

    Yeah, I always saw Theon as pathetic, not evil, trying to live up to his father’s “standards”….but in truth, way out of his league.

    I’m on the fence with Mel. Her true driven nature is just starting to be explored. Maybe she is just a religious wacko, maybe she has another agenda…

  269. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hodor’s Bastard: Hmmm, I’m going to have to revisit ol’ Vic to get his mindset….but I couldn’t put him in the category of Joffrey, Mountain, Ramsay, Cersei or Locke/Hoat. He’s a general and a conqueror….no different than a Targaryen in some respects.

    We’ll have to agree to disagree, then. (The stuff about him being evil; I don’t know enough about the Targaryens to say if they habitually beat their wives to death and then whine about how much it hurt them to do it, or are astonished when people don’t like being sacrificed by them. I’d say that’s definitely evil by lack of care and empathy. And possibly brain power.)
    As for categories, I’d differentiate between characters like the Mountain, Ramsay and possibly Joffrey, who are mainly monsters made up as people, and those like Victarion, Roose, Tywin and Cersei, who are bad people, but still get some characterization.

    (I’m leaving out Locke, because despite filling a similar function to Hoat, he’s a different character, and belongs in the world of the show. I will say he has more characterization than the Mountain in both versions, though. Hoat is… a bit of a horrifying comic relief character?)

  270. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Hodor’s Bastard, We’ll have to agree to disagree, then. (The stuff about him being evil; I don’t know enough about the Targaryens to say if they habitually beat their wives to death and then whine about how much it hurt them to do it, or are astonished when people don’t like being sacrificed by them. I’d say that’s definitely evil by lack of care and empathy. And possibly brain power.)As for categories, I’d differentiate between characters like the Mountain, Ramsay and possibly Joffrey, who are mainly monsters made up as people, and those like Victarion, Roose, Tywin and Cersei, who are bad people, but still get some characterization.

    I definitely need to revisit Vic in AFfC….especially since he might be the one that gets/takes/kidnaps Dany to Westeros..

  271. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: .especially since he might be the one that gets/takes/kidnaps Dany to Westeros..

    Definite ADWD spoilers and spec for TWOW: I hope he tries. Drogon would probably cook him…

    but from the way things are going right now, I think it’s more likely he helps defeat the Yunkai and demands to talk to Dany as a reward, and when he figures out she’s not there, absconds with the two other dragons and possibly Tyrion (remember he still has that horn, it has to be useful for something). That way Viserion and Rhaegal get to Westeros, and Tyrion possibly back to Westeros. Then Victarion gets killed by Euron, eaten by the dragons or burned/choked to death by his own vulcanic arm.

    …I do like to imagine death scenarios for Victarion. No clue why.

    Sorry to anyone who really loves that character.

  272. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Definite ADWD spoilers and spec for TWOW: I hope he tries. Drogon would probably cook him…but from the way things are going right now, I think it’s more likely he helps defeat the Yunkai and demands to talk to Dany as a reward, and when he figures out she’s not there, absconds with the two other dragons and possibly Tyrion (remember he still has that horn, it has to be useful for something). That way Viserion and Rhaegal get to Westeros, and Tyrion possibly back to Westeros. Then Victarion gets killed by Euron, eaten by the dragons or burned/choked to death by his own vulcanic arm.…I do like to imagine death scenarios for Victarion. No clue why.Sorry to anyone who really loves that character.

    Oh she will be there…with Drogon and the Dothraki in tow. Vic will witness the power of her and her horde as the battle ensues, witness the chaos of angry, slightly- garlicky dragon breath…then if he survives, he will definitely be a player on the road to Westeros for both D & T. Damn, I can’t wait for the battles of TWoW!!!!

    On the other hand, there is much therapy awaiting for both of us….you to deal with your personal Vic revenge issues (in defense of wholesome marriage?) and me for being a fucking cognitively-distorted bastard. :-)

  273. Carne
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 4:51 pm | Permalink
  274. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    tbh, I witness lots of therapy in all our futures, once the series has ended. ;)

    (and even more so if it doesn’t end, of course.)

    And yay for more Burn Gorman/Karl!

  275. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Hodor’s Bastard, tbh, I witness lots of therapy in all our futures, once the series has ended. ;)(and even more so if it doesn’t end, of course.)And yay for more Burn Gorman/Karl!

    I predict much troubling angst amongst the populace if GoT speeds by without the books. Ugghhh!

  276. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 6, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Well, at least it’ll stop people from saying it was different in the books. >:D

  277. JRR Tzolkin
    Posted September 9, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Corbray:
    Maybe they want a more recognizable face to antagonize Jon. More people will remember Locke than Slynt who hasn’t been seen since Season 2.

    What?

    Why on Earth would the show through all the trouble of showing Tyrion’s dinner with Slynt if they’re planning to replace him as the Black Brother beheaded by Jon in a genius stroke of poetic justice, after the key role Slynt played in Ned’s fate with Locke, who for all intents and purposes, has been set up as Jaime’s antagonist, but never Jon’s?

    Also, the show has plenty of time to reintroduce Slynt to non-readers in all of the chapters he appears in, plotting against Jon along with Thorne, long before Jon chops off the man’s head.

  278. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Hodor’s Bastard………I do like to imagine death scenarios for Victarion. No clue why.
    Sorry to anyone who really loves that character.

    By the way, BG…this is the Victarian I wanna see! Waaaaaaawaaaghhh! http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/File:Matt_Olson_V_Greyjoy.jpg

    We’re comin’ for ya, Dany!

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