New behind-the-scenes photos from Dubrovnik
By Ours is the Fury on in Filming.

Gradac Park

The last few days have brought a host of behind-the-scenes photos of the making of Game of Thrones‘ fourth season. Production has been busy in Croatia, with locations in Gradac Park, Hotel Belvedere and the Walls of Dubrovnik. Luckily, fans have been there to give us a glimpse at next season’s major scenes. All these photos can be considered spoilers, so proceed with caution!

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Gradac Park
Dub2These appear to be the stand-in/doubles for Sansa Stark and Dontos Hollard. In this subsequent photo, the woman has turned and we can see that she isn’t Sophie Turner. Also filming on the forts this week was Hafthor Bjornsson, wielding a sword amid a crowd of extras.

Hafthor Bjornsson

The Mountain

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The Mountain
Here’s a video clip of the Mountain’s scene that the photographer was able to grab:

Thanks to Alexandre Ehrhard-Kieffer for providing the video and the great photos above of Gradac Park, the Walls filming and the Mountain’s bloody business. Visit his Flickr to view the full selection of photos. This next picture of Gradac Park filming was discovered on Instagram:

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And this morning, a photo turned up of more beautiful decorations in the park:

Gradac Park streamersAnd finally, courtesy of Tullypond, we have another view of the proceedings in Gradac Park, showing Lannister, Baratheon, and Tyrell banners and combined house colors for the awnings. We also have new pics of the pavilion at the Hotel Belvedere, where key scenes were filmed last week.

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Ours is the Fury:  Another very busy week for production by the looks of it. Big thanks to eagle-eyed fans who have shared their Dubrovnik photos and videos.


212 Comments

  1. GeekFurious
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    All Icelanders rule.

  2. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    And there’s also (SPOILERS IN THE LINK) the leaked callsheet everyone’s talking about

  3. PrinceTheon
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    That Mountain scene is going to be amazing.

  4. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    I never pictured the PW as an outdoor event. The festivities take place at night… don’t they?

  5. The Young Wolf
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Thanks to all the people in Dubrovnik snapping these shots!

  6. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Oh, and Iwan Rheon seems to have taken it down but yesterday he posted a picture of Ramsay’s uh ladies.
    http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/60877568706

    OtherAndrew,

    Well that’s not a set photo, sheesh. :) It’s probably real since it looks the same as the other GoT call sheets I’ve seen, font and all, but I don’t think it really provides any new info other than episode number.

  7. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Is the Mountain going to be topless during his fight with the Red Viper? That seems really stupid…

  8. Macharius
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Hm, I wonder if they will scrap the Sept of Baelor set and shoot the wedding outdoors?

    And also, that lion looks absolutely hideous and extremely silly which I hope is intentional.

  9. Macharius
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    I think this must be some kind of set-up scene to show the audience what the Mountain can do.

  10. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    The Red Viper may trick him in to removing his armour before the fight. I know that The Red Viper does not wear armour, so it could be a fair fight kind of thing…

  11. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Well, the timing of that event in the season has been much speculated on. Having it confirmed as in Ep 2, gives us our best sense yet of the broader architecture of the season. It also provides some specific scene descriptions, including Brienne talking to Joffrey and Marg during the wedding — perhaps to appeal for Sansa’s release? Plus it’s great news that GRRM’s the one writing it!

  12. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    No. We’ve seen a few pics posted online where Thor seems to be wearing the black Gregor armor. These pics of him, I think the idea maybe to show him killing some poor people just to establish what a monster he is. It’s like he’s using humans as sword practice dummies, basically.

  13. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Hmmmm… the image of him with a man skewered on his sword just made me think of the part in the book where he hacks a bystander apart during the duel.

    I hope you’re right.

  14. cantuse
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Davidbc,

    Please be not true… The Mountain’s armor is half of what makes him so terrifying.

  15. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    cantuse,

    It’s not. They filmed Oberyn vs. The Mountain at the Hotel Belvedere. On those days, he was photographed and seen wearing the black armor. What you’re seeing above is some other scene.

  16. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Macharius,

    I’m sure they’ll use the Sept of Baelor set for the ceremony, they set it up so well in S3. Seems like the feast will be outside, but my only problem with that is that autumn should be approaching… the set looks absolutely brilliant (if you try to ignore the lion head)

    The show’s come a long way from the mini-tourney in season 1!

  17. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    the lion head may not look as starnge on film…

  18. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    It seems highly plausible that the lion head is meant to be somewhat garish, befitting Joffrey’s nature, especially considering the increasingly florid costumes the costuming department gave him in Season 3. In fact I think it’s quite a logical move; they’ve been very clear about making statements about character, attitude and place when it comes to costume design – such as the diamond-like patterns favored by both Melisandre and Quaithe, for instance.

  19. boze
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Just a guess: the dwarves stuntmen will come out of that lion’s head.. and the silliness is actually intentional.

  20. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Joffrey’s wedding takes place during the day

    which feels weird, why didn’t they just have the wedding in the throne room like normal

    Have they ever filmed any scenes in Dubrovnik at night?

    I don’t think so. All the Battle of the Blackwater was filmed in Ireland.

  21. Ghost of Harrenhal
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Due to the call sheet are we basically confirming the PW is episode 2.

  22. jpetill
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Ghost of Harrenhal,

    It says 404. I assume this means its episode 4 not 2.

  23. Eddward
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    I think the lion’s head fits the circus type atmosphere of the reception following the PW…I wonder if they will have the jousting dwarves.

  24. boze
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    jpetill,

    Nope. Left column: 402.

    Eddward,

    They probably will, “Oh So Small” tweeted this:

    Best of luck to our 4 guys who are filming in Croatia all of next week……Season 4 is going to be a good one

  25. Ghost of Harrenhal
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    Yeah that what I saw too which made me think it was episode 2 but it also does say 404 on the bottom

  26. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    That call sheet also confirms the NW men are still at Craster’s Keep.

  27. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Davidbc,

    It’s always possible that the PW will last all day, with it ending at night. I always pictured the ceremony during the day and the reception at night. Sansa’s escape would certainly need to happen under the shroud of darkness.

  28. See Lemoncakes
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    So is the wedding outside in a tent?

    OT: the latest Andy Greenwald podcast has a long interview with Michelle MacLaren about Breaking Bad. She talks a lite GOT around 30 mins. Major BB spoilers for the latest ep.

  29. Jeffe
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Ghost of Harrenhal,

    It says 404 on the bottom because the Dragon unit is elsewhere shooting scenes from episode 404, it just mentions it on the sheet. The photo is only part of the sheet. An inch down would likely have information about the 404 scenes. This piece of sheet in the photo is for scenes being filmed by the Wolf unit for episode 402. Look at the code next to it: EP/SC, meaning “Episode” and “Scene”. It’s indisputably for episode two.

  30. boze
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Ghost of Harrenhal,

    It says 404 for another scene, at Craster’s keep. They don’t shoot things in order.

  31. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    MAJOR SPOILERS

    Ok, thought I’d give a go of an episode plan, off the top of my head:

    1 – Introduction to the Red Viper
    2 – Purple Wedding
    3 – Jon goes to Mole Town (could also be in episode 2), Barristan fights Champion of Meereen (hopefully), Sansa’s fate with LF unveiled
    4 – Bran and co at Crasters.
    5 – First battle at Castle Black (Joseph Gatt likely playing Styr in 4 episodes, probably won’t feature in episode 2)
    6 – ???
    7 – Daenerys takes Meereen?
    8 – Gregor vs Oberyn, as D&D say favourite moments in final 3 episodes
    9 – Battle of the Wall (Neil Marshall). Tyrion and Tywin may also be in.
    10 – ‘Only Cat’, Jon becomes LC, Lady Stoneheart

    In all honesty, I have no clue what they’re going to do in those middle episodes. They have a lot to fill in there and it would make sense to have some stories climax there e.g. Dany taking Meereen or Arya fighting at the Inn. But they have a lot of flexibility as well. Who knows what the Greyjoys and the Boltons will be doing? Or even Stannis for that matter.

  32. GeekFurious
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon:
    Is the Mountain going to be topless during his fight with the Red Viper? That seems really stupid…

    OMG GET OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! over something that isn’t happening.

  33. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    The Royal Wedding is probably moved outside. This makes much more sense in a visual medium as far as believing Sansa was actually able to slip away in all the commotion.

  34. GeekFurious
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak:
    Looks like Joffrey’s wedding takes place during the day

    which feels weird, why didn’t they just have the wedding in the throne room like normal

    Have they ever filmed any scenes in Dubrovnik at night?

    I don’t think so. All the Battle of the Blackwater was filmed in Ireland.

    OMG GET OUTRAGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! over minor pieces of information.

  35. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Also, where is that image coming from? It’s pretty easy to make something like that up.

  36. Sword of the Morning
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Why are folks assuming the PW reception outdoors happens during the daytime? There’s no active filming going on in the park when the photos were taken.

  37. Jordan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Yeah, I “love” how immediately after someone suggests something that “might” happen (based on limited evidence), people immediately start criticizing D&D for changing things.

  38. Aldi_A
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    You seem like the only outraged one calm down he only pointed out a small detail he didn’t seem too angry.

  39. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t say that the wedding is in “a tent”- so much as it is in the entire park that has been done up for a noble wedding. You have to figure almost every loyal noble family is in attantendce so it is a pretty big wedding.

    (This also looks great, because i remember Tyrion being kind of upset at how much money they were spending on the wedding… so things like the crazy lion head fit in perfect)

  40. Ghost of Harrenhal
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Jeffe,

    Yeah I agree it will happen in episode 2 too. I just wanted to point out it does say 404 on the bottom. I should have worded my words better my bad.

  41. Davidbc
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    They wouldn’t put so much detail into a set that would be shaded in darkness… It is an insanely colorful set that was obviously designed to be filmed in during the daytime.

    I agree that the feast probably runs all day into night.

  42. arden
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Aldi_A,

    He/She makes a point of doing that at least once a thread, get used to it. It’s a “hyperbole”

  43. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor: MAJOR SPOILERSOk, thought I’d give a go of an episode plan, off the top of my head:1 – Introduction to the Red Viper2 – Purple Wedding3 – Jon goes to Mole Town (could also be in episode 2), Barristan fights Champion of Meereen (hopefully), Sansa’s fate with LF unveiled4 – Bran and co at Crasters.5 – First battle at Castle Black (Joseph Gatt likely playing Styr in 4 episodes, probably won’t feature in episode 2)6 – ???7 – Daenerys takes Meereen?8 – Gregor vs Oberyn, as D&D say favourite moments in final 3 episodes9 – Battle of the Wall (Neil Marshall). Tyrion and Tywin may also be in.10 – ‘Only Cat’, Jon becomes LC, Lady StoneheartIn all honesty, I have no clue what they’re going to do in those middle episodes. They have a lot to fill in there and it would make sense to have some stories climax there e.g. Dany taking Meereen or Arya fighting at the Inn. But they have a lot of flexibility as well. Who knows what the Greyjoys and the Boltons will be doing? Or even Stannis for that matter.

    Those middle episodes, you say? Well, it’s going to be the adventures of Arya and the Hound, of course! And surely the adventures of LF and Alayne! And Jorah and Dany! So many older men saving and serving young women! Woo-hoo! What’s not to like?

    Seriously though, there should never be a dull/plodding moment in this season. Shit’s gonna happen.

  44. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    You guys remember the comment posted by user Jackie a while back, where she claimed to have big insider info on the Wall Storyline:

    “Karl is in charge of the mutineers. They spend theyr time raping and drinking wine from mornings skull, jon sends a suicide party to destroy them. However Karl has captured bran etc. Also has one of the best monologues I’ve ever read. Huge fight ensues, and a character death from the unlikliest sources. Really don’t want to spoil too much because it sounds amazing”

    -Jackie

    Well, it appears those claims may have merit. Here’s a post on the ASOIAF subreddit which seemingly ties in with Jackie’s comment: . Warning, it is tagged ‘Spoilers All’.

  45. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant:
    You guys remember the comment posted by user Jackie a while back, where she claimed to have big insider info on the Wall Storyline:

    “Karl is in charge of the mutineers. They spend theyr time raping and drinking wine from mornings skull, jon sends a suicide party to destroy them. However Karl has captured bran etc. Also has one of the best monologues I’ve ever read. Huge fight ensues, and a character death from the unlikliest sources. Really don’t want to spoil too much because it sounds amazing”

    -Jackie

    Well, it appears those claims may have merit. Here’s a post on the ASOIAF subreddit which seemingly ties in with Jackie’s comment: . Warning, it is tagged ‘Spoilers All’.

    I think between the two posts, the story would be fairly clear although I wonder what this means for Grenn and Edd. Are they dead? Did they get back to the Wall between S3 and S4? Will they be involved in any of the Craster’s stuff?

  46. zzz
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Mabye the lions head is a “gag” gift from the martells

  47. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I could see Grenn/Edd making it back early in S4, and then informing Jon that while they escaped, Karl’s Mutineers are still comfortably lounging in the Keep. I just hope Grenn/Edd/Pyp aren’t part of the Crow group that goes out to the Keep and dies there.

  48. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Sounds awesome!

    Hope Edd & Grenn aren’t part of the fight, if they are…I hope they survive :(

  49. JamesL
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant,

    This makes sense because Bran doesn’t have much story left in the books that are out so they need to find ways to keep his story interesting. I just really hope they don’t plan on editing out Coldhands.

  50. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    The new mountain looks incredible :D

    Now all I want to see, as far as set/costume design is concerned, is a photo of Pedro Pascal in costume.

    As for the leaked call sheet: I does hoave me slightly worried that they are doing Joffrey’s wedding so early in the season, as there is still a lot of stuff that they have to set up. Either the setup is going to be really rushed, or the first episode is going to have to have a lot of King’s Landing in it. But as long as they keep Oberyn vs Gregor for episode 8 and Tyrion’s escape for the finale I don’t mind too much, although I was hoping we would get more than 2 episodes of Jack Gleeson.

    Also, there are two questions that this raises: 1) is Oberyn just going to turn up in the capital without any warning? Because that would make it feel very rushed. And 2) will Loras join the kingsguard at all?

  51. AngryRosFan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:15 pm | Permalink

    Jeffe:
    Ghost of Harrenhal,

    It says 404 on the bottom because the Dragon unit is elsewhere shooting scenes from episode 404, it just mentions it on the sheet. The photo is only part of the sheet. An inch down would likely have information about the 404 scenes.This piece of sheet in the photo is for scenes being filmed by the Wolf unit for episode 402. Look at the code next to it: EP/SC, meaning “Episode” and “Scene”. It’s indisputably for episode two.

    Can you, or somebody explain which units “Dragon”, “Wolf”, etc. are shooting what/where? Or is it not known? Thanks.

  52. JamesL
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand why they are rushing the PW either. Seems like it would work better if they pushed it back an episode or two. What is Sansa going to do the rest of the season? Is there going to be enough plot left in Kings Landing for another 7 or 8 episodes? I don’t want to have to say goodbye to Joffery after just 2 episodes next season, he’s one of the most entertaining characters on TV.

  53. mariamb18
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:

    As for the leaked call sheet: I does hoave me slightly worried that they are doing Joffrey’s wedding so early in the season, as there is still a lot of stuff that they have to set up. Either the setup is going to be really rushed, or the first episode is going to have to have a lot of King’s Landing in it. But as long as they keep Oberyn vs Gregor for episode 8 and Tyrion’s escape for the finale I don’t mind too much, although I was hoping we would get more than 2 episodes of Jack Gleeson.

    I, too, was hoping for more than 2 episodes of Jack Gleeson. Call me crazy but I will miss Joffrey because Jack is so much fun to watch in the role.

    Also, there are two questions that this raises: 1) is Oberyn just going to turn up in the capital without any warning? Because that would make it feel very rushed. And 2) will Loras join the kingsguard at all?

    1) I hope that Oberyn doesn’t just show up. I’ve been hoping that the show will replicate his entrance from the books – riding up with all of his bannerman and the ensuing snarky dialogue with Tyrion. I love that scene and will be disappointed if it is skipped. 2) I am curious to see what is done with Loras’ show storyline due to the lack of Willas and Garlan. As the heir to Highgarden, why would Mace/Olenna consent to letting him join the KG? Unless, of course, they don’t have a say in the matter.

  54. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    AngryRosFan: Can you, or somebody explain which units “Dragon”, “Wolf”, etc. are shooting what/where? Or is it not known?Thanks.

    The units themselves don’t have any particular story arc connection if that’s what you mean. My understanding is that they need to have as many as 3-4 different units shooting at the same time in different locations so they just nicknamed them Wolf, Lion, Dragon etc. There’s no rhyme or reason to what they are shooting on any given day as far as I can tell.

  55. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    AngryRosFan,

    Apparently, the crew currently shooting in Croatia is the “Wolf Unit” (can be seen written on one of the clapboards for the Mountain scenes), and judging from the scenes they have, “Dragon Unit” are the guys shooting in Northern Ireland. No idea if there was a third unit specifically for Iceland, or if that was the Wolf Unit as well. (I know that you usually have first and second units for film shoots, but I don’t know how it exactly works for TV. Since Game Of Thrones usually shoot in several countries and several storylines simultaneously, they obviously have several units, but I don’t know how many or how they exactly work together.)

  56. Bill Volk
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t think anyone could replace Conan Stevens, but Halfthor seems like a pretty cool dude.

  57. Arthur
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    People need to relax…

    The Mountain will be in full armor during the big scene. D&D FINALLY got a man big enough in height and muscularity to pull off The Mountain…

    Now D&D can use Thor to show the casual viewer just what Gregor is… A huge heartless killing machine. D&D have to make up all The Mountain’s lost storyline in season 4 because it took them 2 seasons to find a man who can do it…

    It makes perfect sense. We (the base, the informed book reader TV show fan) know how ruthlessly evil and powerful The Mountain is, that’s what makes the scene epic. D&D need to let the casual viewer know this as well.

    Any time spent showing the TV viewer who The Mountain is will payback tenfold and make the big scene payoff even better.

  58. Arkash
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    The PW happening by day outdoor on the garden would be amazing ! With everybody talking in the alleys and paths and the camera switching smoothly from one group to another, it could be epic, and I’m ready to bet those very colourful sets are for the PW !

  59. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    mariamb18: I, too, was hoping for more than 2 episodes of Jack Gleeson. Call me crazy but I will miss Joffrey because Jack is so much fun to watch in the role.

    1) I hope that Oberyn doesn’t just show up. I’ve been hoping that the show will replicate his entrance from the books – riding up with all of his bannerman and the ensuing snarky dialogue with Tyrion. I love that scene and will be disappointed if it is skipped. 2) I am curious to see what is done with Loras’ show storyline due to the lack of Willas and Garlan. As the heir to Highgarden, why would Mace/Olenna consent to letting him join the KG? Unless, of course, they don’t have a say in the matter.

    I don’t see why they couldn’t have Oberyn’s entrance to King’s Landing as it was in the books occur in E1. It’s pretty much a 5 minute scene if not less. There has been no introduction of the Martells on the show (except in passing) to this point so they’re going to have to explain who this guy is and why he’s coming to King’s Landing. I wouldn’t worry about this being omitted, it’s necessary.

    In terms of everything else that needs to be “set up” for the PW, that’s all been covered off in S3, they’re ready to go. Really, they’ve been talking about Joff and Margaery getting ready for their wedding for an entire season already.

    I’m throwing this out there right now. Kevan’s role counseling Tyrion after he’s been arrested will be taken by Jaime. It just fits too logically now that Jaime’s in KL for them not to go this route. That’s not to say that Kevan won’t be in S4 at all, but I doubt he will be playing the same role with Tyrion as he did in the books.

  60. That Stark boy
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Thor looks like a great guy, literally and figuratively. I got really really happy when I knew of his and Daario’s recast. Really, guys, Skrein’s Daario looks like he’s come from the 90s and Huisman fits way more the Daario I pictured. Now all I want is to see some pictures that show him with his hair dyed blue. Or wearing a wig. A wig, possibly.

  61. That Stark boy
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    If the jousting dwarves are confirmed then we can hope to see news of Penny being cast, right?

  62. AngryRosFan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: The units themselves don’t have any particular story arc connection if that’s what you mean. My understanding is that they need to have as many as 3-4 different units shooting at the same time in different locations so they just nicknamed them Wolf, Lion, Dragon etc.There’s no rhyme or reason to what they are shooting on any given day as far as I can tell.

    King Tommen: The units themselves don’t have any particular story arc connection if that’s what you mean. My understanding is that they need to have as many as 3-4 different units shooting at the same time in different locations so they just nicknamed them Wolf, Lion, Dragon etc.There’s no rhyme or reason to what they are shooting on any given day as far as I can tell.

    Thank you both. So, I won’t try to read anything into the names they give the crews.

    In any case, the photos are intriguing. I love the idea that part of the royal wedding reception is outdoors, and the Mountain may be showing his talent for mayhem in the flesh.

    I’m stoked about season 4, especially the changes from the book in the North of the Wall scenes.

  63. Bunny Way
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    Is it April, yet?

  64. mariamb18
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: I don’t see why they couldn’t have Oberyn’s entrance to King’s Landing as it was in the books occur in E1. It’s pretty much a 5 minute scene if not less.There has been no introduction of the Martells on the show (except in passing) to this point so they’re going to have to explain who this guy is and why he’s coming to King’s Landing. I wouldn’t worry about this being omitted, it’s necessary.


    In terms of everything else that needs to be “set up” for the PW, that’s all been covered off in S3, they’re ready to go.Really, they’ve been talking about Joff and Margaerygetting ready for their wedding for an entire season already.

    I’m throwing this out there right now.Kevan’s role counseling Tyrion after he’s been arrested will be taken by Jaime. It just fits too logically now that Jaime’s in KL for them not to go this route.That’s not to say that Kevan won’t be in S4 at all, but I doubt he will be playing the same role with Tyrion as he did in the books.

    Thanks for your reassurance about Oberyn’s entrance. I also think its necessary. The power and influence of the Martells needs to be presented properly.

    Agree that Joff/Marg’s wedding has been discussed for awhile. I just wonder if one episode is enough time to get all of the pieces into place – new characters such as Oberyn, Ellaria, Mace as well as Jaime’s role (with Cersei and as LC of the KG) since this is different from the books. And, I love your suggestion that Jaime will take on Kevan’s role as Tyrion’s couselor. Makes sense and helps give Jaime a reason for being in KL.

  65. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    For all those who are anxious for GOT to show us again just what and who The Mountain truly is, I have a hunch they’re going to be building him up right from the get-go next year

    An ‘Innkeeper’s Daughter’ has been cast for S4 Episode 1 (check WIC’s tumblr). Now of course Arya isn’t going to have her Inn battle in the premiere. I’m thinking this is the Inkeeper’s daughter who was brutally raped by Gregor earlier in the books: we got the story from Gregor’s soldier Chiswyck in Book 2. The book quote:

    “Ser Gregor, he wasn’t paying no mind to none of our fun, but now he looks, you know how he does, and he commands that the girl be brought before him. Now the old man has to drag her out of the kitchen, and no one to blame but hisself. Ser looks her over and says, ‘So this is the whore you’re so concerned for’ and this besotted old fool says, ‘My Layna’s no whore, ser’ right to Gregor’s face. Ser, he never blinks, just says, ‘She is now’ tosses the old man another silver, rips the dress off the wench, and takes her right there on the table in front of her da, her flopping and wiggling like a rabbit and making these noises. The look on the old man’s face, I laughed so hard ale was coming out me nose. Then this boy hears the noise, the son I figure, and comes rushing up from the cellar, so Raff has to stick a dirk in his belly. By then Ser’s done, so he goes back to his drinking and we all have a turn. Tobbot, you know how he is, he flops her over and goes in the back way. The girl was done fighting by the time I had her, maybe she’d decided she liked it after all, though to tell the truth I wouldn’t have minded a little wiggling. And now here’s the best bit . . . when it’s all done, Ser tells the old man that he wants his change. The girl wasn’t worth a silver, he says . . . and damned if that old man didn’t fetch a fistful of coppers, beg m’lord’s pardon, and thank him for the custom!”

    Pure evil.

  66. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/60972830365/an-actress-named-gabrielle-dempsey-is-credited-as

    Garlan the Gallant,

    You know that thought had occurred to me, but I discarded it, because I didn’t want to believe the show would add a gang rape scene that doesn’t happen in the current timeline in the book. Ugh. But I guess that is a possibility.

  67. mariamb18
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I agree. I am really hoping not to see that scene. Its horrible.

  68. Cosca
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant,

    Well, at least he has a sense of humour.

  69. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I feel they’ll do something like having it go up to Gregor saying the ‘She is now’ line, and then leave the scene with the rest as implication.

  70. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Maybe there’s a scene at the Inn in E1 which quickly re-introduces the Mountain along with Polliver/Rorge/Biter etc and shows what evil assholes they all are with respect to the Innkeeper’s daughter (but more implied than shown as suggested). Then later in the season, when Arya and the Hound get there to see everyone (except the Mountain), the audience doesn’t need to go back 2 seasons in order to remember who any of these guys are.

  71. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:46 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Nice idea. That would make a lot of sense.

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah, it’s gonna be great. Even though the middle episodes will be slightly slower, they certainly will have plenty to keep them interesting. And when the big stuff happens…it’ll be awesome.

  72. Nick Manfredi
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Wow, I didn’t even consider that scenario with the ‘Innkeepers Daughter’. Such a disgusting scene would certainly show Gregor as the monster he is….or the one that us booker readers already know he is up until this point in the story. Show viewers really don’t have a sense to just how horrible he truly is. The Inn scene (and seeing him hack apart civilians and beggers) will certainly solidify that trait.

    Make it so, D & D.

  73. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/60972830365/an-actress-named-gabrielle-dempsey-is-credited-asGarlan the Gallant, You know that thought had occurred to me, but I discarded it, because I didn’t want to believe the show would add a gang rape scene that doesn’t happen in the current timeline in the book. Ugh. But I guess that is a possibility.

    Double Ugh…but so it is written….Cersei will lose her dear sociopath in S4 and gain another champion sociopath.

  74. ShyGeezy
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant,

    I think they need to do a lot with The Mountain being a real piece of sh&t (can I swear on this forum?) before the fight with The Red Viper. I don’t think most viewers really understand what he’s been doing to The Riverlands. I wonder if non-book readers will react the same way us book reading types did.

  75. ShyGeezy
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    On another note,

    Is anyone else worried they are gonna skip the kingsmoot? It’s one of my favorite parts of the series and I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get to see Victorian and Euron. I heard they might just have Euron. It makes me more worried that we haven’t heard any new Greyjoy casting yet. It makes me even more nervous that I just realized I’m wearing my Greyjoy t-shirt and that I’m speaking to strangers about my concern over the Greyjoys. My life has spiraled out of control.

  76. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    These photos are really cool. They do however, make me wonder why I was getting excited for Gregor’s return since it means murders and possibly rapes.

    The lion’s head looks ridiculously tacky and over the top. That’s a good thing. They aren’t about to show them eating a 77 course meal, so that’s a good way to express how extravagantly expensive the wedding is. Also, it’s good foreshadowing for Tyrion at the Meereenese fighting pit.
    I keep waiting to see a picture of Sansa with her poison hair net. I hope they leave it in.

  77. ShyGeezy
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I think they will leave in the hairnet. D&D love the books and they do their best to adhere to the little details that made them love the books.

  78. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    ShyGeezy,

    I highly doubt they will skip it. A while back a lot of us thought they would put the Kingsmoot in early – in Season 4, in order to keep the Greyjoys relevant. However, the finale of Season 3 and recent casting information blew apart that theory and so it looks like we’re getting a Yara/Theon story instead. I’m pretty sure the Kingsmoot will be in Season 5 though – which is in keeping with the books. Euron and Victarion are surely too important to ignore.

    And lol, yes, your life has spiraled out of control. Oh well. I’ll drink to having no life. Drink seawater that is. As the Ironborn say: what is dead may never die.

  79. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    ShyGeezy: On another note, Is anyone else worried they are gonna skip the kingsmoot? It’s one of my favorite parts of the series and I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get to see Victorian and Euron. I heard they might just have Euron. It makes me more worried that we haven’t heard any new Greyjoy casting yet. It makes me even more nervous that I just realized I’m wearing my Greyjoy t-shirt and that I’m speaking to strangers about my concern over the Greyjoys. My life has spiraled out of control.

    I believe, as do others, that they are pacing themselves. Save it for S5. Once this “War of the 5 Kings” Act is over, the second act will rise before us. Yes, they’ll set things up in S4 (I hope) but Dorne, Iron Islands, a lost Tyrion and a supposed rediscovered Targaryen are headed our way.

    Personally, I’m holding out for a Septa Lemore sighting a year from now.
    :-))

  80. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor: ShyGeezy, And lol, yes, your life has spiraled out of control. Oh well. I’ll drink to having no life. My choice of beverage? Seawater. What is dead may never die.

    No life, FDH? You have us! {Group hug?}

  81. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Someone snapped a pic of Brienne and Sansa headed into the PW filming today. You can see Sansa from behind. Unfortunately the person’s other pics were deleted by security so this is the best they got.

    http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/60981330327

  82. Jordan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:20 pm | Permalink

    In terms of those rumors on the Jon plotline, is there any corroboration of the idea that he deliberately sends Watch members on a suicide mission?

    I hope not. That doesn’t make much sense. In fact, that’s worse behavior than the stuff that gets him shanked at the end of ADWD, especially if he’s sending them in order to rescue Bran.

  83. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yay! Thanks! No matter how sad I feel, it will always bring a smile to my face knowing that I have Hodor’s bastard.

    Afterall, that’s all you really need in life. Family, duty, Hodor. ;)

  84. LadyDiva
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    I also hope that they do not skip the kingsmoot. It gives us a chance to see Asha again and is the reason she gets taken by Stannis at Deepwood Motte with her men. Also it sets up Victarion’s journey later in the story. His chapters are some of my favorites. They can’t just cut him out. I think he is going to be too important of a player. And now that they have not cast Strong Belwas, I’m hoping they write more for Brown Ben Plumm or Ser Barristan who i absolutely love.

    ShyGeezy:
    On another note,

    Is anyone else worried they are gonna skip the kingsmoot?It’s one of my favorite parts of the series and I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get to see Victorian and Euron.I heard they might just have Euron.It makes me more worried that we haven’t heard any new Greyjoy casting yet.It makes me even more nervous that I just realized I’m wearing my Greyjoy t-shirt and that I’m speaking to strangers about my concern over the Greyjoys.My life has spiraled out of control.

  85. Sean C.
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    LadyDiva:

    I also hope that they do not skip the kingsmoot. It gives us a chance to see Asha again and is the reason she gets taken by Stannis at Deepwood Motte with her men.

    Asha’s already gone to the North, so it looks increasingly unlikely to me that she’s going to be anywhere near the Iron Islands. Indeed, I think they are going to pretty much skip the Kingsmoot. It’s not really that important in a streamlined show, particularly since the audience won’t have met any of the other characters before.

  86. mariamb18
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    ShyGeezy,

    I agree with the other posters: we will get the Kingsmoot, just not this year.

    And I think that this show has caused my life to spin slightly out of control as well.

  87. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Jordan:
    In terms of those rumors on the Jon plotline, is there any corroboration of the idea that he deliberately sends Watch members on a suicide mission?

    I hope not.That doesn’t make much sense.In fact, that’s worse behavior than the stuff that gets him shanked at the end of ADWD, especially if he’s sending them in order to rescue Bran.


    From what I gather from the reports, it’s not that Jon is knowingly sending the small group on a “suicide mission”, it’s just called that because they end up dying.

    I imagine the communication will come to Jon (through a returning Grenn and Edd perhaps) that the surviving mutineers have set up shop at Craster’s. Jon’s logic seems to be that there is imminent danger in having them there because Mance will come across this group on the way to the Wall and will figure out that Mormont’s dead and the entire NW ranging party is either dead or deserted, thus giving away the fact that the Wall is more or less undefended.

    If Jon prioritizes this information as valuable, then sending a group of volunteers there to take out the mutineers does make sense. Remember in the books that Jon (through the use of scarecrows on the Wall etc) is able to create the illusion that there are more NW men there than in reality and this allows them to hold off Mance for some time and not have him attack in full force. He needs Mance to think there’s a sizable force still guarding the Wall.

    I think it states explicitly in those leaked reports that Bran has been captured by Karl/Rast but that was unbeknownst to the NW men coming for them. Just a coincidence. Bran being beyond the Wall without Jon’s knowledge is a pretty key plot point so I doubt that’s been altered.

  88. LadyDiva
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: Asha’s already gone to the North, so it looks increasingly unlikely to me that she’s going to be anywhere near the Iron Islands.Indeed, I think they are going to pretty much skip the Kingsmoot.It’s not really that important in a streamlined show, particularly since the audience won’t have met any of the other characters before.

    They changed her name to Yara in the show. Ugh. Theon’s sister. Last seen she was in the Iron Islands with her father, who is one of the three kings to die as per Melisandre’s leeches. I’m hoping that they’ll write Balon falling off the bridge, which causes the kingsmoot and then the events can unfold from there. This season or next, she and those events are too important to the story as it unfolds.

    They introduce new characters all the time. So why not the Ironborn? Just this season alone there are a nice handful of new people to focus on. One i really didn’t expect this early but i guess it makes sense is Tycho Nestoris (the Braavosi banker). Putting Jaime and company in KL at the end of last season really just messed with my time frame.

  89. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: From what I gather from the reports, it’s not that Jon is knowingly sending the small group on a “suicide mission”, it’s just called that because they end up dying.I imagine the communication will come to Jon (through a returning Grenn and Edd perhaps) that the surviving mutineers have set up shop at Craster’s. Jon’s logic seems to be that there is imminent danger in having them there because Mance will come across this group on the way to the Wall and will figure out that Mormont’s dead and the entire NW ranging party is either dead or deserted, thus giving away the fact that the Wall is more or less undefended.If Jon prioritizes this information as valuable, then sending a group of volunteers there to take out the mutineers does make sense. Remember in the books that Jon (through the use of scarecrows on the Wall etc) is able to create the illusion that there are more NW men there than in reality and this allows them to hold off Mance for some time and not have him attack in full force. He needs Mance to think there’s a sizable force still guarding the Wall.I think it states explicitly in those leaked reports that Bran has been captured by Karl/Rast but that was unbeknownst to the NW men coming for them. Just a coincidence. Bran being beyond the Wall without Jon’s knowledge is a pretty key plot point so I doubt that’s been altered.

    Thanks. Your possible synopsis has gotten me re-excited about the pre-Stannis events up North. I thought the battles would be exciting enough but the idea that a Coldhands/CotF/Bran/Hodor/Reed/Summer scenario that has more impact to the NW than in the books is very palatable….especially if word of the Craster Massace Pt 2 gets back to Jon directly. I never did like that Sam kept the Bran info from Jon in the first place.

    Thanks again, Future Monarch and mini-stud for Margaery!

  90. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    LadyDiva: …. I’m hoping that they’ll write Balon falling off the bridge, which causes the kingsmoot and then the events can unfold from there.

    Did he slip or was he pushed….?

  91. Sam
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    There is enough plot in KL even if the PW is in episode two.

    I can imagine Tyrion wasting away in a cell for an ep and receiving visitors who inform him that Cersei wanted him executed, but Tywin ordered a trial.

    Then at least two or three episodes of KL scenes will involve the trial of Tyrion – enough for sure for eps 4, 5, and 6, and enough for the Red Viper to do before he agrees to challenge the Mountain in ep 7. Then ep 8 is the fight.

    I am much more curious about how the North will work out, and what we’ll see of the Dragonstone crew in the early episodes, and what the hell will happen in the Dany plot.

  92. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    ShyGeezy: Is anyone else worried they are gonna skip the kingsmoot? It’s one of my favorite parts of the series and I’ll be disappointed if we don’t get to see Victorian and Euron. I heard they might just have Euron. It makes me more worried that we haven’t heard any new Greyjoy casting yet. It makes me even more nervous that I just realized I’m wearing my Greyjoy t-shirt and that I’m speaking to strangers about my concern over the Greyjoys. My life has spiraled out of control.

    If anything, the early casting of people like Tycho Nestoris and Yohn Royce gives me more hope for a Kingsmoot. With their stated intention of sending Yara “up the Weeping Water” to march on the Dreadfort, they’re building up her character more, and I doubt it’s just because of Theon. I can see how they’d leave the uncles to Season 5, but they’re playing a long game here, the HBO execs have said the show can go on as long as there are stories to tell, and D&D have not eliminated any major characters at all – and no, Edric Storm, the unseen Tyrell brothers, Strong Belwas and 3 dead sons of Davos Seaworth do not count.

  93. Jordan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Thanks. That makes a lot more sense. One other reason I was worried is that some of the initial description made it sound like Jon sent the people to die in order to keep Mance from finding out details, which while somewhat understandable, would still be very cruel.

  94. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    Someone snapped a pic of Brienne and Sansa headed into the PW filming today. You can see Sansa from behind. Unfortunately the person’s other pics were deleted by security so this is the best they got.

    http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/60981330327

    Interesting, with the inclusion of Brienne and Jaime, that’s going to be a wedding where all of the players are there…

  95. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    Balon was the 2nd name mentioned in the burning of the leeches last season so it stands to reason that he’ll have to fall off the bridge prior to the PW in E2. Best guess is that it’s the capper of E1. Whether the death occurs on or off screen is still up in the air (although I think it would be a wasted opportunity not to show, even if you want to preserve the mystery of how it actually happened).

    With Yara taking off in the finale on her own mission, I have a hard time seeing how she would be involved in any kind of Kingsmoot in the wake of Balon’s death, not enough time to get back. They could still have some version of it taking place (either this season or next) and you can do it without Yara being there if you wanted.

    Personally, I believe they want to link Yara up to Theon earlier than they do in the books. I think she’s got a date with Ramsay and it’s not going to work out well for her.

  96. jessie_snow
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I have nothing but my own speculation on this, but I think Cercei talks Loras into joining the King’s Guard to get away from marrying her, which would make the Tyrells very angry, since it takes away their heir (at least on the show). It’s the only reason I can think of for why Joffrey would die, since show Margery can control him so well.

  97. Arthur
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Damn…

    A lot of little leaks (clues to us book readers) came out today. Pretty exciting day.

    It really does look like D&D want to put a spotlight on The Mountain this season, before the big scene which is fine by me.

    I hope the inn keepers daughter has to do with The Mountain, not because I’m a sicko but because it’s a good way to show the TV viewer what Gregor is…

    He is a perfect example of that “might makes right” mentality. He will do what he wants when he wants and nobody can do anything about it because he is 6’9″ and 440lbs of muscle in a medieval world where there are no guns…

    The rape scene and heartless “I want change” speech will really cement that to the TV viewer.

    Like someone said as book readers we get told all the time the terrorism The Mountain creates (per Tywin’s orders) in the river lands but the TV viewer has no idea what a monster Gregor is…

    Now they will know.

  98. LadyDiva
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 10:57 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oddly enough, GRRM never says in the books. However, it’s strongly suggested that his brother Euron may have been instrumental in some way. It happens during a storm and Euron just appears on Pyke out of nowhere. Also, even if Yara goes to find Theon, (you never see her really leave) the death of her father is enough to bring her back to Pyke so that she can bury him and gather her own men for the kingsmoot, or as she says “the queensmoot” along with her father’s other brothers Euron,Victarion and the Damphair.

  99. Lex
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:04 pm | Permalink

    Rad photos. New Mountain looks awesome.

  100. King Tommen
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    There is no way that they would even bother sending Yara off on her (very determined) mission to save Theon at the Dreadfort if she was going to be around in the Iron Islands for the Kingsmoot a few episodes later. They would have just left her there for Balon’s death and not had that development occur in the season finale at all.

    She’s going on that mission and I don’t think she’s coming back to the Iron Islands anytime in the next few seasons. She’ll link back into the Stannis/Ramsay War in the North story as in the books, but in the meantime, it certainly appears they’ve lifted her out of her uncle’s story. She’s going to the Dreadfort and she’s either going to get there and be captured by Ramsay or perhaps intercepted by Stannis on his way to the Wall (2 possible fan theories). In either case, the whole exercise is to give her more to do and link her up with Theon more quickly than the books. I highly doubt that Deepwood Motte is a part of future seasons, that lifts right out.

  101. House Snow
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    I would take that NW spoiler with a grain of salt the “leaker” originally said Jon was a part of the raid, that the scene had already been shot, and that he was a sound editor which is great except he wrote that before Gorman said he was going to start shooting. He then changed his story that Jon wasn’t going to be there and that her “boyfriend works with the production. Its not rocket science that there was going to be some kind of action at Crastors possible involving rast and karl so being careful about jumping on those rumors.

  102. Jordan
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    Good point. I should follow my own advice on not immediately disagreeing with changes that may or may not actually exist.

  103. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: Damn…A lot of little leaks (clues to us book readers) came out today. Pretty exciting day.It really does look like D&D want to put a spotlight on The Mountain this season, before the big scene which is fine by me.I hope the inn keepers daughter has to do with The Mountain, not because I’m a sicko but because it’s a good way to show the TV viewer what Gregor is… He is a perfect example of that “might makes right” mentality. He will do what he wants when he wants and nobody can do anything about it because he is 6’9″ and 440lbs of muscle in a medieval world where there are no guns…The rape scene and heartless “I want change” speech will really cement that to the TV viewer. Like someone said as book readers we get told all the time the terrorism The Mountain creates (per Tywin’s orders) in the river lands but the TV viewer has no idea what a monster Gregor is…Now they will know.

    Why bother even using spoiler tags anymore? :-)

    I always have a bit of hesitation when folks note “rape” instances in the context of ASoI&F and GoT. Is it Mountain rape? Brave Companion rape? Is it Drogo-Dany gift-wife rape or Dothraki-village girl rape? Is it Walder Frey-Miss Twin rape? Is it KL smallfolk-Sansa attempted rape? Ramsay-JeyneP rape? Which is worse….?

    My point is that I hope they don’t use “rape” as the demonstration of sociopathic behavior on GoT with the Mountain. It is very prevalent throughout the various Westeros-Essos kingdoms (as it was – so I’ve read – in the Middle Ages, and still is in various Warlord-run tribes in 3rd-world countries) and somewhat “tolerated” by the realms (at worst – if one doesn’t have regal connections – one ends up at the NW).

    As the photos indicate, I awkwardly hope it is the Mountain’s slaughter and utter disdain for his fellow man that emphasizes his madness, not his “rape” tactics (which are truly terrible). There are so many levels of evil in ASoI&F, it’s hard to keep track.

  104. Ser Sleez
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    The Mountain 3.0 is a freaking beast, best one yet if the photos are any indication

  105. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 11, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    LadyDiva: Hodor’s Bastard, Oddly enough, GRRM never says in the books. However, it’s strongly suggested that his brother Euron may have been instrumental in some way. It happens during a storm and Euron just appears on Pyke out of nowhere. Also, even if Yara goes to find Theon, (you never see her really leave) the death of her father is enough to bring her back to Pyke so that she can bury him and gather her own men for the kingsmoot, or as she says “the queensmoot” along with her father’s other brothers Euron,Victarion and the Damphair.

    Wait…isn’t Victarian currently defending Moat Cailin at this point in ASoS? Won’t Yara/Asha likely meet him in transit, given her new GoT thread?

  106. Abyss
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:10 am | Permalink

    OT:
    Has anybody tested this game yet? Lol, I remember when some guys made joke videos of a 8bit GoT game (or was it 16bit?) and now it’s real. As I said, no clue about the content, there could be spoilers.

  107. SerKenjiGerrard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:51 am | Permalink

    Excuse my ignorance, but why would Sophie Turner need a stand-in…??? Are stand-ins like stunt-doubles…??? If so, what stunts would Sansa be a part of…???

  108. Hounded
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    SerKenjiGerrard,

    Stand ins are often used for shots in which you don’t see the actor’s face, especially for actors that are under 18 y/o as there are rules about how many hours they can work a day on set

  109. Hodor
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:40 am | Permalink

    Great pictures – can’t wait for the season 4 !

  110. Lou Reed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Why is the Mtn fighting on the Walls of Kings Landing? Could this be a flash back?

    If it were the sack of Kings Landing, I’d expect the Mtn to wear armor though. This could be some henchmen, hired by the Dornish, to try and take him out in the streets. Or just him exersicing some Kings Justice in the streets after the PW.

  111. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:54 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Why bother even using spoiler tags anymore? :-)

    I always have a bit of hesitation when folks note “rape” instances in the context of ASoI&F and GoT.Is it Mountain rape? Brave Companion rape? Is it Drogo-Dany gift-wife rape or Dothraki-village girl rape? Is it Walder Frey-Miss Twin rape? Is it KL smallfolk-Sansa attempted rape? Ramsay-JeyneP rape? Which is worse….?

    My point is that I hope they don’t use “rape” as the demonstration of sociopathic behavior on GoT with the Mountain. It is very prevalent throughout the various Westeros-Essos kingdoms (as it was – so I’ve read – in the Middle Ages, and still is in various Warlord-run tribes in 3rd-world countries) and somewhat “tolerated” by the realms (at worst – if one doesn’t have regal connections – one ends up at the NW).

    As the photos indicate, I awkwardly hope it is the Mountain’sslaughter and utter disdain for his fellow man that emphasizes his madness, not his “rape” tactics (which are truly terrible).There are so many levels of evil in ASoI&F, it’s hard to keep track.

    I hope that, too, and not even all that awkwardly. I mean, we saw Tywin’s men torture the commoners rather pointlessly in Season 2, and between that, Gregor beheading his horse, and Gregor using the poorer citizens of King’s Landing as target practice, the point of him being one of the crazier axe murderers in Westeros is certainly made.

    I also think the show does well in using rape sparingly as a plot device, or their viewership will shrink pretty quickly. The scene mentioned is one of the more tasteless ones in the books, and certainly doesn’t require being brought to the screen. Besides, Ramsay’s shenanigans are enough to keep us equipped with sexually violent ickiness for years to come.

  112. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:56 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed:
    Why is the Mtn fighting on the Walls of Kings Landing? Could this be a flash back?

    If it were the sack of Kings Landing, I’d expect the Mtn to wear armor though. This could be some henchmen, hired by the Dornish, to try and take him out in the streets. Or just him exersicing some Kings Justice in the streets after the PW.

    Lou Reed, I think he’s just practicing for his duel. ’cause he’s a psycho.

  113. Hounded
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:20 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Although that would obviously be horrible and difficult to watch, it would very effectively make the Mountain instantly hate-able to viewers and people would long to see him punished.

  114. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Ours is the Fury,

    Although that would obviously be horrible and difficult to watch, it would very effectively make the Mountain instantly hate-able to viewers and people would long to see him punished.

    I’d think Pedro Pascal emphatically talking about what the Mountain did to his sister and her children might actually be much more effective.

    Admittedly, I wasn’t even worried that this might be a rape scene to reintroduce the Mountain before I got here. I thought it would be one to reintroduce Rorge and possibly Polliver (who’ve both been mentioned as returning). As it stands, both ideas feel icky to me, but I really think adding the Mountain would simply be overkill.

  115. Selmy
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    I wonder whether Jaime will be on Kingsgaurd duty for the wedding or if he’ll have the night off. If so Iimagine he would wear something like what Robb wore at the RW but in red and gold

  116. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    I agree that the idea that Bran and co could directly impact the NW could make his story seem more relevant to the overall plot in that side of the world. I was wondering what they would get up to in the Haunted Forest for a season, since CH seems out of the question at the moment (sadly). It could also possibly provide a filler to those middle episodes people are wondering about. Kit has recently said in more than one interview that he has a lot of action and a lot of dialogue for the season and also gave the impression that it’s his biggest season to date, which makes me excited :)

  117. Lou Reed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    The Inn scene would go a long way, to describe this personality.

    The Mountain seems to be ADHD. As long as there is fighting and violence he is hyper, but the rest of the time he is utterly bored with the world.

    As Chiswyck describes him, he is just sitting starting blank into the wall the entire evening, while his crew is drinking and laughing. When the innkeeper finally decides to gain his attention, it immediately turns to violence.

  118. Lou Reed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    (Not saying all ADHD are violent. Each has different areas of interests, and this ones is violence)

  119. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,
    As someone with ADHD who has two brothers that also have ADHD, I can tell you that the mountain doesn’t show any characteristics of it. I also think that your reading of his character in general is completely wrong. Overall he shows characteristics more akin to that of a psychopath than someone with ADHD, and he seems to be in a lot of chronic physical pain which is the cause of his constant rage and anger. Also, isn’t he addicted to milk of the poppy (ie heroin/morphine)? That would also contribute to his behaviour.

  120. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    I love how this mountain is all “American Psycho” when it comes to body grooming. I mean really, a hairy Mountain just wouldn’t make sense

  121. mariamb18
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    As the photos indicate, I awkwardly hope it is the Mountain’sslaughter and utter disdain for his fellow man that emphasizes his madness, not his “rape” tactics (which are truly terrible).There are so many levels of evil in ASoI&F, it’s hard to keep track.

    Agree. I just don’t need to see that scene at the inn on screen. It sickened me in the books.

    Arthur:
    Damn…

    A lot of little leaks (clues to us book readers) came out today.Pretty exciting day.

    It really does look like D&D want to put a spotlight on The Mountain this season, before the big scene which is fine by me.

    I hope the inn keepers daughter has to do with The Mountain, not because I’m a sicko but because it’s a good way to show the TV viewer what Gregor is…

    He is a perfect example of that “might makes right” mentality. He will do what he wants when he wants and nobody can do anything about it because he is 6’9″ and 440lbs of muscle in a medieval world where there are no guns…

    The rape scene and heartless “I want change” speech will really cement that to the TV viewer.

    Like someone said as book readers we get told all the time the terrorism The Mountain creates (per Tywin’s orders) in the river lands but the TV viewer has no idea what a monster Gregor is…

    Now they will know.

    I totally agree that the Unsullied may not have a clear idea of the extent of Gregor’s brutality. Prior to S4, he may appear as another violent man in a world of violent men (Joff, Ramsay, Locke, Roose, etc). The extreme nature of his depravity has to be conveyed in some way for us to understand/appreciate Oberyn’s desire for vengeance. I just hope that D&D use some level of restraint when depicting his violent nature.

  122. Josla
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:42 am | Permalink

    Is there any chance that the lc plot of the nw would be left for next season? Or is it almost certain it will be this season?

  123. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    Josla,
    I think that unless they really rush the final episode it is almost certain to be pushed back into season 5.

    Off-topic:
    I feel that I should point out that Pedro Pascal as Oberyn Martell is currently leading the best new casting pole. It’s kind of awesome to see how he is already growing on everyone.

  124. Roekest
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant:
    For all those who are anxious for GOT to show us again just what and who The Mountain truly is, I have a hunch they’re going to be building him up right from the get-go next year

    Pure evil.

    Urgh. That passage always makes me sick. Can’t wait for Oberyn to stick that dirty f–er with a poisoned spear. I hope we hear The Mountain’s anguished cries as Clyburn turns him into a zombie. And as far as the books are concerned, I hope The Hound leaves the monks and heads for KL to kill his evil brother once and for all.

    The Mountain must die!

  125. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Lou Reed,
    Overall he shows characteristics more akin to that of a psychopath than someone with ADHD, and he seems to be in a lot of chronic physical pain which is the cause of his constant rage and anger. Also, isn’t he addicted to milk of the poppy (ie heroin/morphine)? That would also contribute to his behaviour.

    He suffers from a chronic physical pain? Which kind of pain exactly, that fact somehow slipped through my notice. But I think he got addicted to milk of the poppy AFTER the battle with Oberyn and his poisoning (it’s not helping much, although he drinks it like water).

  126. Stab The Crab
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    not exactley staring blank, but grinding his teeth in rage because of the way Loras Tyrell defeated him at the Tourney Of The Hand. Chyswick said they were having fun and when Ser Gregor is angry is better to leave him alone. During the tortures in book 2, he just picks up victims and then remains silent, looking. I think Arya best describes Gregor’s day-to-day behaviour: “the Mountain swatted men like flies, but most of the time he didn’t even seem to know the fly was there.”

  127. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Bard,
    From AWoIaF; “According to his squire, Gregor constantly suffers from extreme headaches and consumes vast quantities of milk of the poppy to dull the pain.”

  128. Stab The Crab
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    Quyburn tells Cersei that Gregor’s squire told him the Mountain drinks lots of oppy milk for his chronic migraines. So, giving him poppy milk doesn’t ease any pain, nor make his screaming any less loud.

  129. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Bard,
    From AWoIaF; “According to his squire, Gregor constantly suffers from extreme headaches and consumes vast quantities of milk of the poppy to dull the pain.”

    Stab The Crab:
    Bard,

    Quyburn tells Cersei that Gregor’s squire told him the Mountain drinks lots of oppy milk for his chronic migraines. So, giving him poppy milk doesn’t ease any pain, nor make his screaming any less loud.

    Ah, thanks to both of you. Another question is: Why does he suffer from those headaches? Is it “just” a normal migraine or some injury?

  130. Stab The Crab
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    we don’t know, but I’d assume it’s “just” a normal migraine.

  131. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Maybe the milk of the poppy is at least a part of the problem called Gregor. It dulls the pain, yes, but could it also somehow influence personality and behaviour if consumed in vast quantities? (Just a speculation of course). In the real world poppys are not just used for the creation of morphin, but also for drugs like opium and heroine. Gregor Clegane, the hyper violent drug addict?

    Edit: Ah, Ser Tahu had the same thought.

  132. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:53 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I find the ‘best new casting’ poll slightly ridiculous. I voted for Indira Varma because I know she’s done some good work previously whereas I don’t know anything about Pedro Pascal.

    It’s only until we actually see them act that we can get a reasonable impression as to how well they were cast. That picture of Pedro with the mock spear looked pretty cool though.

  133. Stab The Crab
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Bard,

    Gregor seemed to be already violent and ruthless at 12… just ask Sandor! :) Growing up, things just worsened. I think migraines and stuff like that show up during growth, but inm Gregor’s case that just adds more fuel to the fire in the form of very bad temper and even shorter fuse.

  134. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: I hope that, too, and not even all that awkwardly. I mean, we saw Tywin’s men torture the commoners rather pointlessly in Season 2, and between that, Gregor beheading his horse, and Gregor using the poorer citizens of King’s Landing as target practice, the point of him being one of the crazier axe murderers in Westeros is certainly made.I also think the show does well in using rape sparingly as a plot device, or their viewership will shrink pretty quickly. The scene mentioned is one of the more tasteless ones in the books, and certainly doesn’t require being brought to the screen. Besides, Ramsay’s shenanigans are enough to keep us equipped with sexually violent ickiness for years to come.

    An awful lot of buggery going on in ASoI&F, isn’t there? I recall looking over my shoulder often on the subway when I read certain passages in the books, paranoid and wondering who might be snooping what I’m reading! Man, the prose went from titillating to obscene quite quickly.

    Regarding the horse’s beheading, which the Mountain did as a result of his jousting loss to Loras at the Hand’s Tourney (sore loser!), as “Stab the Crab” pointed out, the Mountain continues to dwell on that loss and his anger builds. Now he is returning to KL and will have opportunity to interact with Loras once again, without the Hound intervening. Will they even explore that possibility?

    Also, regarding “rape” as a plot device in the fantasy genre, I remember as a teen reading another favored fantasy series, “The Thomas Covenant Chronicles”. The series begins with a sudden and violent rape of a young woman and is subsequently used as a major plot device throughout the books. That event has stuck with me for many years….and it changed my view of the fantasy genre completely.

  135. H. Stark
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink
  136. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Edit: Ninja’d ^ :)

  137. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Ser Tahu,

    I find the ‘best new casting’ poll slightly ridiculous. I voted for Indira Varma because I know she’s done some good work previously whereas I don’t know anything about Pedro Pascal.

    It’s only until we actually see them act that we can get a reasonable impression as to how well they were cast. That picture of Pedro with the mock spear looked pretty cool though.

    True. “Everybody” hated Pedro before anyone has seen him acting in his role and now “everybody” loves him before anyone has seen him acting in his role. A little patience is quite useful sometimes.

  138. ShadowStalker
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    Regarding the call sheet (link at the top of the comments) and what episode the PW occurs….

    I know the left hand column says episode 2… but the bottom of the sheet says episode 4. So obviously 1 of them is wrong or the leaked sheet is not accurate and a fraud.

    But thinking of how you would do it in Episode 2… Think of all the things that need to be introduced and wrapped up….

    Introduce Mace
    Introduce Oberyn (and the tensions between him and the Tyrells)
    Jaime and Cersei interaction…
    Jaime – Tywin
    Dealing with Brienne
    Dontos.
    Tywin and Tyrion scene. Regarding the Melting of Ice and the new Swords.
    Pre Wedding dust up with Joffrey. (Tyrion discovering Joffrey tried to kill Bran, cuttable?)
    Re introduce the Mountain (doesn’t have to be done necessarily in first 2 eps…)
    And all of the other scenes for characters not mentioned. Olenna, Sansa, Shae (Shae-Tyrion), Varys, Pod, Bronn, Margaery, Joffrey, Tommen….

    Maybe they spend the first 2 episode completely in King’s Landing… that is about the only way that this is doable in my head…

    I know GRRM is writing Episode 2… which is something to consider in this as well.

  139. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,
    Val/Dalla?

    ShadowStalker,
    If we have learnt anything from the first 3 seasons, it is that there is absolutely no correlation between GRRM writing an episode and big events happening.

  140. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    H. Stark:
    Actress Jane McGrath joining GOT?

    http://www.iftn.ie/news/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4286433&tpl=archnews&force=1

    Do you have any other upcoming roles you can tell us about?
    At the moment, I’m up and down to Belfast on ‘Game of Thrones’. I’m not even allowed to talk to my friends about it and can’t be giving anything away! My character is beyond the Wall and it was stunning. When you’re on set you feel like you’re actually there. It’s incredible!

    Are you a Wildling?
    Yes, I’m a Wildling!

    Dalla? Val? Dalla/Val hybrid?

  141. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    ShadowStalker:
    Regarding the call sheet (link at the top of the comments) and what episode the PW occurs….

    I know the left hand column says episode 2… but the bottom of the sheet says episode 4. So obviously 1 of them is wrong or the leaked sheet is not accurate and a fraud.

    But thinking of how you would do it in Episode 2… Think of all the things that need to be introduced and wrapped up….

    Introduce Mace
    Introduce Oberyn (and the tensions between him and the Tyrells)
    Jaime and Cersei interaction…
    Jaime – Tywin
    Dealing with Brienne
    Dontos.
    Tywin and Tyrion scene. Regarding the Melting of Ice and the new Swords.
    Pre Wedding dust up with Joffrey. (Tyrion discovering Joffrey tried to kill Bran, cuttable?)
    Re introduce the Mountain (doesn’t have to be done necessarily in first 2 eps…)
    And all of the other scenes for characters not mentioned. Olenna, Sansa, Shae (Shae-Tyrion), Varys, Pod, Bronn, Margaery, Joffrey, Tommen….

    Maybe they spend the first 2 episode completely in King’s Landing… that is about the only way that this is doable in my head…

    I know GRRM is writing Episode 2… which is something to consider in this as well.

    Well, it’s ” ext. wedding site” on the callsheet, not “the wedding”. Maybe they are referring to the location and not necessarily to the event itself? Or maybe the wedding stretches over more than one episode (a bit unlikely though)?

  142. Caravaggio
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Holy effing-! What the hell happened in that photo? I’m too lazy to view the video so I’m just going to feverishly wonder whether that was an actual stuntman the Mountain is flinging with his sword or a very convincing dummy. And GODDAMN he impaled a poor bystander! Is that the stableboy?! Shit, this duel is going to be epic!

    And what’s with the Renaissance Fair atmosphere in what I’m guessing is the wedding? It looks so gay and festive!

  143. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    it is absolutely possible for callsheets to contain several scenes from different episodes. We know they are filming out of order, and since the Dragon Unit is shown as filming in Clandeboye, they are in NI, not in Croatia. They simply both filmed on the same day. Whoever scanned the callsheet is most likely with the Wolf Unit, or we would have had summaries of the “Nothern” scenes.

    I’m pretty sure this callsheet is legit – it looks exactly like callsheets I’ve seen for other shows, down to the cast being listed as numbers.

  144. ShadowStalker
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:57 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Correct… but it also doesn’t mean he won’t write a big event. They did it with Blackwater… it might happen again. And think of the symmetry of Blackwater episode being King’s Landing centric and the PW being a King’s Landing Centric episode…

    Also think about if the first 2 eps are mostly or all KL, what this does for all the other storylines. They become tighter. Fit within 8 episodes. I kind of like this idea.

  145. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:00 am | Permalink

    ShadowStalker,

    They have two production units going at the same time. At the top is Wolf Unit, filming Ep 402, in Croatia. At the bottom is Dragon Unit, filming Ep 404, in Belfast.

    This is consistent with several interviews Michelle MacLaren did this week saying she’s in Belfast directing GOT right now. MacLaren has already been confirmed as directing Episodes 404-405, so this lines up perfectly. That would mean Alex Graves is in Croatia directing 402 now.

  146. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Bard: True. “Everybody” hated Pedro before anyone has seen him acting in his role

    Not everybody. I had fun watching the kerfuffle, though.

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I don’t know if I would call it obscene so much, but admittedly, I don’t know which scenes you mean exactly. I find that GRRM mostly writes rather awkward sex scenes. tw: rape His rape scenes are of the “background noise” variety that is commonly used in darker fantasy/gritty historical novels to convey primitive and brutal times. It’s a shortcut I despise and find lazy, but it’s probably owed to the murky origins of these genres, and apparently difficult to lay to rest. (It’s also a topic that’s generally not very enjoyable, so I apologize for discussing it here.)

    And I know which book series you mean, a friend of mine read it.

  147. Jentario
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    H. Stark:
    Actress Jane McGrath joining GOT?

    http://www.iftn.ie/news/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4286433&tpl=archnews&force=1

    Nice. Seems we’ve got our Valla

  148. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Not everybody. I had fun watching the kerfuffle, though.

    Well, the quotation marks are there for a reason. ;)

  149. King Tommen
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    The interview with Jane McGrath is hilarious.

    Q: “What can you tell us about your Game of Thrones role?”

    A: “I’m sworn to secrecy, I’m not allowed to talk about it at all …. I’m filming now Beyond the Wall and I’m a Wildling”.

    *HBO immediately releases press release stating that Jane McGrath has been fired*

  150. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    His rape scenes are of the “background noise” variety that is commonly used in darker fantasy/gritty historical novels to convey primitive and brutal times. It’s

    The Blue Grace, I don’t think that’s it at all. GRRM portrays rape in the way he does because rape, not just in primitive times but throughout human history including the present, is endemic to war and the breakdown of the social order. It’s not like ASOIAF was filled with rape before the war started. But part of GRRM’s project is being very clear-eyed about the horrific consequences of war, and that’s why he portrays that stuff. His books are positively tame compared to our 20th century mass rape horrors in Nanking or in the Russian invasion of Germany.

  151. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    The interview with Jane McGrath is hilarious.

    Q: “What can you tell us about your Game of Thrones role?”

    A: “I’m sworn to secrecy, I’m not allowed to talk about it at all …. I’m filming now Beyond the Wall and I’m a Wildling”.

    *HBO immediately releases press release stating that Jane McGrath has been fired*

    Maybe she thought that people wouldn’t figure it out (well, we still don’t know for sure if she’s really Val or Dalla [or Valla], but it seems pretty likely, especially because she’s not even allowed to talk about it).

  152. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    OtherAndrew,

    I tried to hint that I don’t really want to discuss the subject. I’ve read quite a range of historical fiction and fantasy, and I’m capable of interpreting them. I also don’t need a lecture on the horrors of war, or history, or rape in real life. I’m going to move on from this topic now.

  153. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Bard: Well, the quotation marks are there for a reason. ;)

    >:D

  154. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:38 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace, I only mentioned it because I’ve read many interviews with GRRM where he says specifically that that is his project — the horrors of war, in real life, as they continue to take place today. Not a quickie lazy device to signify “primitive and brutal times.” The two are very different. Okay, moving on.

  155. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: OtherAndrew, I tried to hint that I don’t really want to discuss the subject. I’ve read quite a range of historical fiction and fantasy, and I’m capable of interpreting them. I also don’t need a lecture on the horrors of war, or history, or rape in real life. I’m going to move on from this topic now.

    I understand OtherAndrew’s point. It was well made, and in context. I don’t believe it was meant to refute you.

    By the way, BG…I left a “Victarian” JPG reference for you on the “Two More Actors in S4 and a Return” thread…. :-)

  156. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    The interview with Jane McGrath is hilarious.

    Q: “What can you tell us about your Game of Thrones role?”

    A: “I’m sworn to secrecy, I’m not allowed to talk about it at all …. I’m filming now Beyond the Wall and I’m a Wildling”.

    *HBO immediately releases press release stating that Jane McGrath has been fired*

    LOL. Nicely done.

  157. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I saw that! Extremely interesting helmet. Is he described as having one like that?

  158. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Hodor’s Bastard, I saw that! Extremely interesting helmet. Is he described as having one like that?

    It might be a bit of creative prerogative on the artist’s part, but still…what a badass! All I know is that he never takes off his armor. He’s comin’ for ya, Dany!

    Based on our previous discussion, I am currently re-reading his POVs and other refs in AFfC and ADwD. Btw, Kindles are f*n awesome devices to use to read and reference ASoI&F POVs and chars.

  159. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    well, we’ll have to continue to disagree about him. ;) My favourite parts in his chapters in ADWD are the monkeys, btw!

    Ebook readers were invented for these novels. Finally, I can read while using my book versions of ASOS and ADWD as bar-bells.

  160. Arristan The Old
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Bard: Ah, thanks to both of you. Another question is: Why does he suffer from those headaches? Is it “just” a normal migraine or some injury?

    Ser Gregor’s headaches could be caused by a brain tumour or something like that. this would explain his need for milk of the poppy as well as the anger management / impulse control issues. And the opium addiction would only exascerbate the behavioural stuff.

    Maybe not cancer; that might have already killed him by now, since he’s been this way at least as far back as when he was still a squire. But if not, my money’s still on some sort of brain injury/abnormality.

  161. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Arristan The Old: Ser Gregor’s headaches could be caused by a brain tumour or something like that. this would explain his need for milk of the poppy as well as the anger management / impulse control issues. And the opium addiction would only exascerbate the behavioural stuff. Maybe not cancer; that might have already killed him by now, since he’s been this way at least as far back as when he was still a squire. But if not, my money’s still on some sort of brain injury/abnormality.

    Well, I’m sure his headless form will be well-adjusted then, since that pretty much deals with his brain abnormality directly.

    :-) (go ahead, hit me)

  162. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Arristan The Old: Ser Gregor’s headaches could be caused by a brain tumour or something like that. this would explain his need for milk of the poppy as well as the anger management / impulse control issues. And the opium addiction would only exascerbate the behavioural stuff.

    I thought some of the idea was that his size and abnormal growth was also what in part resulted in his headaches and pain. Again, it’s a smart play by GRRM to make the largest characters – normally those who in a fantasy world would be celebrated – and make them so problematic, be they scarred (Sandor), monstrous (Gregor), self-loathing (Brienne) or Hodor (Hodor).

  163. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: My favourite parts in his chapters in ADWD are the monkeys, btw!

    Whenever I think about the monkeys I always see that as an homage to the end of “Aguirre, the Wrath of God,” with the feral monkeys running around the damned ship and Klaus Kinski going berserk.

  164. biobi
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Brienne @ PW? wtf

  165. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    biobi:
    Brienne @ PW? wtf

    I think Joffrey and/or Cersei will give the order to put her behind bars, because she worked for both Renly and Catelyn Stark. Maybe she’ll be foolish enough to ask them to release Sansa.

  166. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    biobi:
    Brienne @ PW? wtf

    Her and Jaime in King’s Landing so early is definitely interesting. While I love Brienne, I hope they don’t give her too many scenes with the main players, as Tarth is a minor house and she’s considered a grotesque, so apart from Loras they would just ignore her.

    But I’m dying to see Jaime’s face when Joffrey dies

  167. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    biobi: Brienne @ PW? wtf

    Welcome to the chaos….

  168. King Tommen
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    Brienne is Jaime’s new BFF, she gets into all the good shit now.

  169. Mormegil
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Jentario: Nice. Seems we’ve got our Valla

    Nah, she’s Harma Dogshead who has been combined with Varamyr Sixskins so we get to have a female Warg.

  170. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned: Her and Jaime in King’s Landing so early is definitely interesting. While I love Brienne, I hope they don’t give her too many scenes with the main players, as Tarth is a minor house and she’s considered a grotesque, so apart from Loras they would just ignore her.


    I wonder if they try to ratchet up the tension by having Jaime introduce her to Sansa, and be pleased that she’s managed to locate one of the Stark daughters, and then it all goes to hell – Brienne arrested, Sansa fleeing with Dontos, and it’s all over from there.

  171. Abyss
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Lol, what was she thinking?!

    Q: “Do you have any other upcoming roles you can tell us about?”
    A: “At the moment, I’m up and down to Belfast on ‘Game of Thrones’. I’m not even allowed to talk to my friends about it and can’t be giving anything away! My character is beyond the Wall and it was stunning.”

    Q: “Are you a Wildling?”
    A: “Yes, I’m a Wildling!”

    I throught you exaggerated, but she really screwed that up. Well, I don’t think she will get in any real trouble for it. She is not the first cast member that made this kind of mistake.

  172. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think she did too badly. Casual fans won’t know who she is, so to say she’s a Wildling doesn’t mean much. For the Sullied, well, we know it all as it is.

  173. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: I don’t think she did too badly. Casual fans won’t know who she is, so to say she’s a Wildling doesn’t mean much. For the Sullied, well, we know it all as it is.

    I enjoy her obvious excitement for being a part of GoT. However, I rarely look to actors as role models for prudence.

  174. Mormegil
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    What did she give away?

    If the Wall and Wildlings had never been mentioned in the show before then yes she would have given something away but as it is she gave nothing away.

  175. Hounded
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    He’s never headless. The skull that Balon Swann brings to Sunspear is the skull of one of the dwarves that is brought to Cersei in the hope that it is Tyrion. Its mentioned that Tyrion (and other dwarves) have large heads so it would suit being the head of a very large man. The reason why Ser ‘Robert Strong’ never removes his helm is because if he did people would be able to see that it is Gregor Clegane.

  176. King Tommen
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil:
    Abyss,

    What did she give away?

    If the Wall and Wildlings had never been mentioned in the show before then yes she would have given something away but as it is she gave nothing away.

    She wasn’t allowed to say anything about her role. Then in an interview, she said she was going to be a Wildling (which for anyone who has read the books, immediately more or less reveals the specific character she’s playing since there are very little options when it comes to female Wildling speaking roles coming into the story at this point).

    She probably didn’t think that was a spoiler, but it pretty much is. It’s like if Mark Gatiss had come out when he was first cast and said “I can’t say anything about who I’m supposed to be but I’m a banker interacting with characters in Westeros.” That’s the giveaway.

    You can take issue with why HBO cares about revealing these kind of casting details but clearly they do care so when an actor essentially gives it away in an interview after they’ve been told to shut up about it, it’s probably not a great thing.

  177. Mormegil
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen: which for anyone who has read the books, immediately more or less reveals the specific character she’s playing since there are very little options when it comes to female Wildling speaking roles coming into the story at this point).

    It gives nothing away.

    As I said above she could be Harma Dogshead or a female version of Varamyr or Tormunds daughter or one of the Spearwives that turn up in ADWD (won’t be the first character that is going to appear early) or even a totally made up character.

  178. Abyss
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Not that much, admittedly, but she said “I’m not even allowed to talk to my friends about it and can’t be giving anything away!” and did exactly that in the very same interview.

    1. She will be at the Wall.
    2. She will be a Wildling.
    3. She is likely to have an pretty important role if they specificity said that she is not allowed to talk about anything. Of cause nobody is allowed to do that, but she is an actress, not an extra, therefore she will probably play Dalla or Val or both.

    King Tommen,

    You beat me to it. ;-)

  179. OtherAndrew
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Glad to hear of this new wildling casting. S4 desperately needs to give us a better sense of Mance and the overall wildling culture, and hopefully they’ll have the space to do so.

  180. Ser Arthur Dan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Hounded: Hodor’s Bastard, He’s never headless. The skull that Balon Swann brings to Sunspear is the skull of one of the dwarves that is brought to Cersei in the hope that it is Tyrion. Its mentioned that Tyrion (and other dwarves) have large heads so it would suit being the head of a very large man. The reason why Ser ‘Robert Strong’ never removes his helm is because if he did people would be able to see that it is Gregor Clegane.

    Thats always been my belief as well

  181. StarksFinalHeir
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    He def has the blood of a Viking

  182. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I think that theory is based on an inaccurate premise. While dwarves may have heads which are disproportionately large for their bodies, that doesn’t mean that a male dwarf (of roughly the same size as Tyrion) would have the same sized head as would Gregor Clegane, who is an objectively huge guy.

  183. boze
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    That’s a possibility.. but we also got this from Bran’s first dream:

    Over them both loomed a giant in armour made of stone, but when he opened his visor, there was nothing inside but darkness and thick black blood.

    Looks like an headless Robert Strong to me.

  184. Lynn of House Swann
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    But what about the whole “he never eats, never sleeps, never relieves himself” thing? I’m pretty sure there’s more to Robert Strong than simply being the Mountain. Some other forces as work . . .

  185. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Hounded: Hodor’s Bastard, He’s never headless. The skull that Balon Swann brings to Sunspear is the skull of one of the dwarves that is brought to Cersei in the hope that it is Tyrion. Its mentioned that Tyrion (and other dwarves) have large heads so it would suit being the head of a very large man. The reason why Ser ‘Robert Strong’ never removes his helm is because if he did people would be able to see that it is Gregor Clegane.

    Plausible, yes. However, I’m holding out hope for FrankenGregor as RS. Qyburn is full of outlandish debauchery and ill-begotten sorcery! We’ll see in S5!

    [Qyburn to Jaime: "...that is not my....weakness...."]

  186. Lynn of House Swann
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Lynn of House Swann,

    Sorry. first time trying to use spoilers. if someone can correct that for me . . .

  187. Hounded
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Lynn of House Swann,

    Yeah of course. He’s a zombie. A walking corpse like a white walker. I don’t imagine they eat or drink. Well some other people seem to think he is indeed headless so maybe you’re right but it seems a bit silly to me.

  188. Lynn of House Swann
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,
    Oh, so you’re still going with the zombie/wight idea, but that he still has his head attached? Fair enough. I think myself – and others – look at the dream where the large figure opens his helm and the black blood (?) pours out, but I guess it could go either way.

  189. Stab The Crab
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Arristan The Old,

    there’s more people suffering from migraines than from brain tumors, luckily! His aggressiveness… well, I think he’s kind of a living testosterone tank (height, weight, all muscle…), go figure!

  190. Abyss
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    Correction: I mean “beyond the Wall” of cause…

  191. boze
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Lynn of House Swann,

    The “thick black blood” is a result of the poison used by Oberyn:

    From Qyburn, in AFFC:

    ““And so it does. But this venom has been thickened somehow, so as to draw out the Mountain’s dying.” “

    “Be that as it may, his veins have turned black from head to heel, his water is clouded with pus, and the venom has eaten a hole in his side as large as my fist.”

  192. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil: Nah, she’s Harma Dogshead who has been combined with Varamyr Sixskinsso we get to have a female Warg.

    You mean Haramir Dogskins.

  193. Ser Arthur Dan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    boze: Hounded, That’s a possibility.. but we also got this from Bran’s first dream:Looks like an headless Robert Strong to me.

    I didnt take it to mean that he literally has no head…but who knows. Also its mentioned that Tyrion has a pretty freakishly large head throughout the books, enough to kill his mother during his birth, and the dwarves bodies sent to Cersei were similar to him…So definietely plausible that the skull sent to Dorne was one of those.

  194. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Go back and read Bran’s dream in book 1 (or it might have been early book 2) where he meets a giant knight in white armour, and when he opens his visor, there’s no head… Just thick black blood.

    Cool foreshadowing from GRRM (I assume).

  195. Hounded
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:28 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    I don’t think that stuff is too literal though. In Bran’s dreams he remembers being thrown from the tower by a golden lion. Jaime isn’t literally a golden lion…

  196. Greg
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    I was really hoping that the PW would be in episode 4-6, mainly because it sucks to see Jack go out that early, and because 7-8 episodes of Tyrion, the obvious fan favorite of non-book readers, locked up in his room/on trial might not get a great response from critics, kinda like how Theon’s story in S3 was pretty much panned because nOTHiNG HAPpENNEd!!!11. Then again, Tyrion’s actions in the finale should more than make up for the slow-moving storyline.

  197. Dornishman
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Caravaggio,

    The more “gay”, the better. Didn’t you know?

  198. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Chickenduck,

    I don’t think that stuff is too literal though. In Bran’s dreams he remembers being thrown from the tower by a golden lion. Jaime isn’t literally a golden lion…

    Yeah, true.

  199. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Greg:
    I was really hoping that the PW would be in episode 4-6, mainly because it sucks to see Jack go out that early, and because 7-8 episodes of Tyrion, the obvious fan favorite of non-book readers, locked up in his room/on trial might not get a great response from critics, kinda like how Theon’s story in S3 was pretty much panned because nOTHiNG HAPpENNEd!!!11. Then again, Tyrion’s actions in the finale should more than make up for the slow-moving storyline.

    There’s a possibility that the scene being shot in ep 2 is just a dinner that happens to have all those characters present, not the actual wedding. Maybe an official state reception for the Dornish delegation…

  200. Cilo
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Greg,

    I think it would be terrible writing if they decided to save it for that far into the season.

    How the heck will they film the rest of the book in that short of time..??

  201. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: Hounded, Go back and read Bran’s dream in book 1 (or it might have been early book 2) where he meets a giant knight in white armour, and when he opens his visor, there’s no head… Just thick black blood.Cool foreshadowing from GRRM (I assume).

    Quirky smallfolk quotes and observations as we travel down the Kingsroad with Robert Strong:

    “What’s that in the road, a head?”

    What does the red sign say before the 4-way intersection? “Stop ahead”

    What’s the difference between Robert Strong and a dick? One has a head.

    Robert Strong, Ned Stark, Rickard Karstark and Rodrik Cassel are drinking bitterbeer at the Crossroads Inn. Who can drink the most? {trick question}

    What do Ser Gregor and the Godfather have in common? Both have one less horse to worry about.

    :-) Any more…?

  202. Biter the Gallant
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Showing the innkeeper’s daughter story makes sense not just in showing how monstrous the Mountain is, but also makes Tyrion murdering Tywin more understandable. The story, with the grotesque “payment” for the “whore’s service” is the same what happened to Tyrion’s wife. The audience will feel Tyrion’s grief and anger much more, if they have seen almost the same tragedy a few episodes before the dwarf finds out the truth about his noble father – who is not better than Gregor, just a fucking hypocrite. Damaturgically it can work very well on screen.

  203. Jordan
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Biter the Gallant,

    Spoilers! Good point though. Also seems useful for reminding the audience .

  204. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Biter the Gallant: Showing the innkeeper’s daughter story makes sense not just in showing how monstrous the Mountain is, but also makes Tyrion murdering Tywin more understandable. The story, with the grotesque “payment” for the “whore’s service” is the same what happened to Tyrion’s wife. The audience will feel Tyrion’s grief and anger much more, if they have seen almost the same tragedy a few episodes before the dwarf finds out the truth about his noble father – who is not better than Gregor, just a fucking hypocrite. Damaturgically it can work very well on screen.

    Damn…can you imagine the onscreen possibilities when Tyrion sees Shae in Tywin’s bed and suddenly is overcome by the memories of Tysha and the awful joke played on him by his family during his formative years? I hope (as we have recently seen with Jaime’s onscreen “positive” makeover) that Tyrion then begins his downward spiral and his darkness takes center stage. By the end of S4, we should have a very different picture of Tyrion. That formidable challenge awaits Mr. Dinklage.

  205. Biter the Gallant
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,
    Damn, I couldn’t handle the spoiler marker normally.

  206. Andy
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    I wish I was the one being impaled by Thor.

  207. WildSeed
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    boze:
    Lynn of House Swann,

    The “thick black blood” is a result of the poison used by Oberyn:

    From Qyburn, in AFFC:

    ““And so it does. But this venom has been thickened somehow, so as to draw out the Mountain’s dying.” “

    “Be that as it may, his veins have turned black from head to heel, his water is clouded with pus, and the venom has eaten a hole in his side as large as my fist.”

    I’m anxious to see what machinations that onscreen Qyburn gets to plot ( um…
    execute onscreen ).

  208. WildSeed
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Biter the Gallant: Damaturgically it can work very well on screen.

    Dramaturgically, yes, you make a good point. However , with re-introduction
    of a brutish male that Gregor obviously appears to be, there’s much in the imagination
    already of viewers that envision him onscreen. Yet, this brothel scene may do, as
    you say, for a demonstration of sorts, and link to upcoming scenes where cruel deaths
    of females are depicted . On the other hand, the duel itself, points to the
    uncharacteristic lack of honor or protocol, that Gregor challenges his opponent.
    He’s a sociopath.

    Reading so many accounts of his sociopathic behaviour against the
    villagers and townsfolk , I am in full insights of his tactics. The viewers may
    not be so aware, but too much , in the way of on screen example, may backfire.
    This ain’t no Gladiator movie. Gregor is no Conan the Barbarian.

  209. Michael
    Posted September 29, 2013 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon,

    you not think rehersals are a bit easier without all the armour? especially in that sun!


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