Another actress joins the cast
By Winter Is Coming on in Casting, Speculation.

Jane McGrathIrish actress Jane McGrath has revealed in an interview with IFTN that she has been cast in season 4 of Game of Thrones. No exact role was given, but she did say that she is playing a wildling.

Do you have any other upcoming roles you can tell us about?
At the moment, I’m up and down to Belfast on ‘Game of Thrones’. I’m not even allowed to talk to my friends about it and can’t be giving anything away! My character is beyond the Wall and it was stunning. When you’re on set you feel like you’re actually there. It’s incredible!

Are you a Wildling?
Yes, I’m a Wildling!

McGrath has appearances in the BBC mini-series Quirke as well as Silent Witness. She also starred in the Irish indie film Black Ice.

Winter Is Coming: Nice of Jane to narrow down our choices for us! If I had to guess, I would wager she is one of the women left at Craster’s Keep with the rest of the mutineers.

[Thanks to H. Stark for the find!]


272 Comments

  1. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:

    a) younger
    b) older
    c) prettier
    d) uglier
    e) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons above
    f) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks now
    g) the show has always sucked
    h) HODOR!

  2. Clob
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I agree!

  3. Grijnwaald
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Nodor :’(

  4. erin
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Hahaaaa. Perfect. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  5. SerCountryFriedSteak
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    That’s GeekFurious for you: You’re not allowed to question or comment on a message board. And what ever you do… DON’T GIVE AN OPINION! The message board is for only responding: “It is known” :)

  6. kobe
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    maybe she is val or dalla?

  7. deathdreams
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Could she be Val, maybe?

  8. M
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Let’s not forget that the arc of her eyebrows is TOTALLY WRONG. JAYSUS. D&D BURN IN HELL.

  9. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak:
    GeekFurious,

    That’s GeekFurious for you:You’re not allowed to question or comment on a message board. The message board is for only responding: “It is known”:)

    I apologize for ruining your intended fake outrage over little to no information.

  10. Robar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    She must be Val.

  11. Lex
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Kind of funny how she isn’t supposed to talk about it or give anything away, and then she talks about it and gives something away (admittedly minor, but still).

  12. Lex
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    SerCountryFriedSteak,

    Sorry, but he’s right.

  13. Loki
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,
    you forgot the most important one
    HER EYES ARE DIFFERENT COLOR.

    one of crasters daughters, i say.

  14. deathdreams
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    My guess is that they will probably combine Val and Dalla into the same character and name her valla…or Jeyne Westerling.

  15. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Loki:
    GeekFurious,
    you forgot the most important one
    HER EYES ARE DIFFERENT COLOR.

    one of crasters daughters, i say.

    I have failed fake outrage. THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS!

  16. King DBC
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m loving this influx of casting news we’re getting of late!

  17. House Mormont
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s most likely be Val
    They need to minimise the characters introduced for the casuals
    And Dalla can be cut since she just gives birth and dies
    Unless it’s necessary for this new Craster’s storyline

  18. Lisa
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    If they give her blonde hair, I think she would make a good Val/Dalla.

  19. darkshot117
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Agreed they will probalby just merge the characters into someone named Valla or something :P

  20. zzz
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    She is either val. Or some random crasters daughter. If she is daughter thn she prolly wont last too long. Hopefully she is val. She sure is pretty enough

  21. spacechampion
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Dalla could exist in the TV show but she’s already died in childbirth by the time Jon goes to see Mance again, so no need to cast her. So McGrath could be Val.

  22. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand why people think combining Val and Dalla would work. Dalla is Mance’s baby momma. Val is a hot wildling who has a close relationship with Jon that borders on potential romance. I just don’t see it.

  23. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    She’s the perfect Val, actually. It would not really even matter if they kept her hair dark. Perfect eyes and cheekbones though. And sorry for how this may sound, but isn’t she too “pretty” for one of Craster’s daughters (except if they dirty her up a little)? This one looks more like a spearwife, definitely no kneeler :D

  24. Defur45
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I think she is gonna be Harma Dogshead… She doesn’t seem to fit for Val, but maybe Dalla I could see. I think she would fit more for Harma to show more of the captains of the wildling army.

  25. Astonished
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    My vote is the princess beyond the wall. Her chin is slight–her credits too humble, to be an unnamed character. No offense to the actor’s acting skill as I am sure is she is extremely capable. But, ready for prime time merkin, I think not. Additionally, her beady eyes are a bit out of fashion, aren’t they? This would rule out a Ros construct whose large glistening orbs did feel up the camera lens for many a happy season.

  26. loco73
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    LOL that pretty much covers it!

    Oh, and yeah we can discuss, criticize and debate, but at some point it moves beyond that and it just becomes a cacophony made-up of an endless flow of brainfarts…

    GeekFurious just summed that up way better!

    PS I’m still holding out hope that lovely Ana Torv would be cast as Val! I would really like to see her on the show, she always talks about it in such a nice way and I don’t doubt that she would be a great addition to the cast, if not as Val then in some other part! I know others also want the Gillian Anderson on the show, and I also agree…yet that would prove more difficult as Ms. Anderson is otherwise engaged at this moment.

  27. loco73
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    As to Ms. McGrath, welcome to the cast, all the best and enjoy your time on the show! As a fan of the show, I can’t complain when another Irish Rose joins the cast!

  28. Cary Storm
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    She’s too white. And too ethnic. And her eyes, whatever they are, are the wrong color.

  29. Cary Storm
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I don’t understand why people think combining Val and Dalla would work. Dalla is Mance’s baby momma. Val is a hot wildling who has a close relationship with Jon that borders on potential romance. I just don’t see it.

    People just think casting both would be too expensive or something. I don’t get it. it doesn’t simply the storyline to cut D. And she barely has a part to play anyway. Just havin’ dat baby. So it makes no sense to combine the two characters. In fact, it makes negative sense.

  30. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    I wonder how they’ll handle Mance’s overall story before the battle at the wall in S4? His army shouldn’t just show up at the wall in ep 8 or 9, right? I hope there is more backstory. Hopefully, her character adds to his storyline as well and is not disposable. As an amalgamation of female wildlings, she may be a link between Mance and Styr, depending on how they write the Thenn storyline. In any case, the “Valla” character will definitely blossom in importance in S5.

    To me, Val is like a blonde Amazonian goddess, fiercely independent, intelligent and dreamy….almost out of place as a wildling. She is a fantasy among fantasies…..’nuff said.

  31. Cary Storm
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    But maybe (WARNING CRACK THEORY SPOILERS AHEAD) she’s playing just a random, new wildling and Locke, when he comes to the north, sees her, and says, “Well gosh darn, my Lord Bolton could use someone like this, kidnaps her, and they parade her off as fake Arya. Stranger theoriesthings have happened.

  32. who even?
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    The way to fight negativity is not with more sarcasm and negativity. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to realize that >.>. By mocking the people who only have something negative to say and overreact to everything, you are actually contributing to making the comments an unpleasant place to be. Because that’s also unnecessary hostility. I don’t mean any specific “you.” Just people who do that in general…. /soapbox

  33. deathdreams
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    He, might be right, but enough already. we get it. How many times is he going to make the same point. besides, nobody was showing any outrage except him.

  34. Bunny Way
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    She plays Coldhands Warmhart, a warrior priestess from the Marisu tribe, who is on a quest to avenge … someone … through exposition and interpretive dance.

  35. mariamb
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion:
    Dalla could exist in the TV show but she’s already died in childbirth by the time Jon goes to see Mance again, so no need to cast her.So McGrath could be Val.

    Agree with this suggestion that Dalla could have already died in childbirth by the time Jon gets there. I’m sure that McGrath is a wonderful actress but she is not what I imagined (or hoped) for Val.

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    I wonder how they’ll handle Mance’s overall story before the battle at the wall in S4? His army shouldn’t just show up at the wall in ep 8 or 9, right?

    Hopefully not. Have there been any reports/sightings of Ciaran Hinds in Belfast?

  36. drew
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Leaf? anyone?

  37. Tenesmus
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    They recast Ygritte

  38. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    drew: Leaf? anyone?

    Still hoping this girl is Leaf: http://winteriscoming.net/2013/07/young-actress-cast-for-s4/

  39. Bard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    who even?:
    The way to fight negativity is not with more sarcasm and negativity. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to realize that >.>. By mocking the people who only have something negative to say and overreact to everything, you are actually contributing to making the comments an unpleasant place to be. Because that’s also unnecessary hostility. I don’t mean any specific “you.” Just people who do that in general…. /soapbox

    Who wants free hugs?

  40. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Astonished,

    Charming.

    Also, don’t think it is too much of a spoiler to indicate that a character beyond the wall is a Wildling. Everyone Beyond the Wall is a Wildling except for the odd Night Watch member and giant (and Child of the Forest I suppose).

  41. Doug
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    They have already shown with a number of important characters, they are more than okay with putting wigs on them.

    Therefore, I am almost 95% certain this girl is Val. The role is an important aspect of Jon’s story, that will come into play this season and it cannot be skipped. Yet, we’ve heard nothing about casting that role. Until now. This girl fits. She’s the age (based on the aging up in the show) and she has already stated she’s a Wildling. I suppose she could be Dalla, but I’m almost positive they will skip that character. So what’s left?

  42. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:

    a) younger
    b) older
    c) prettier
    d) uglier
    e) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons above
    f) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks now
    g) the show has always sucked
    h) HODOR!

    You have not even scratched the surface, man. Not even!

    1. If she’s dark haired, she’s obviously fake Arya, but she’s way too old and doesn’t look like Maisie Williams. They’re ruining this show!
    2. How dare they re-cast the Mountain a fourth time!
    3. WHERE IS STRONG BELWAS?
    4. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I think this means they may not follow through with killing Shae. And if they don’t do that, I’m going to be really upset, because it’s so important for Tyrion’s growth. They just don’t know what they’re doing.
    5. This actress is Irish, and we all know north of The Wall is meant to be Scotland. #fail

  43. Premislaus
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Oh, come on. Val? Dallia?

    I bet she’s random wildling woman #23

  44. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Astonished: his would rule out a Ros construct whose large glistening orbs did feel up the camera lens for many a happy season.

    You sure you’re talking about Ros’s eyes?

  45. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Premislaus,

    Yeah, everyone knows Charlotte Hope is Val, or wait, I mean Stephanie Blacker.

  46. umuckurlife
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: You have not even scratched the surface, man. Not even!

    1. If she’s dark haired, she’s obviously fake Arya, but she’s way too old and doesn’t look like Maisie Williams. They’re ruining this show!
    2. How dare they re-cast the Mountain a fourth time!
    3. WHERE IS STRONG BELWAS?
    4. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I think this means they may not follow through with killing Shae. And if they don’t do that, I’m going to be really upset, because it’s so important for Tyrion’s growth. They just don’t know what they’re doing.
    5. This actress is Irish, and we all know north of The Wall is meant to be Scotland. #fail

    aaaand trailer please!

  47. Athelstan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    I did briefly consider that Jane McGrath could be playing Alys Karstark, but disregarded this theory as GoT has a long way to go yet to catch up with the books. If this character were to appear at all then it would be in S5 at the absolute earliest. The show probably couldn’t afford to cut Alys Karstark yet as we don’t know precisely what GRRM has planned for her, though D&D may have been told!

  48. Red Helm
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: You have not even scratched the surface, man. Not even!

    1. If she’s dark haired, she’s obviously fake Arya, but she’s way too old and doesn’t look like Maisie Williams. They’re ruining this show!
    2. How dare they re-cast the Mountain a fourth time!
    3. WHERE IS STRONG BELWAS?
    4. I don’t know what’s going to happen, but I think this means they may not follow through with killing Shae. And if they don’t do that, I’m going to be really upset, because it’s so important for Tyrion’s growth. They just don’t know what they’re doing.
    5. This actress is Irish, and we all know north of The Wall is meant to be Scotland. #fail

    Plus:
    1. She’s too white.
    2. They’re merging Dalla with Coldhands? I quit watching this show.

  49. Paul
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious, HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:

    a) younger
    b) older
    c) prettier
    d) uglier
    e) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons above
    f) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks now
    g) the show has always sucked
    h) HODOR!
    That has to go down as a classic, I’m putting up with a cold but that brightened me up!

  50. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    who even?:
    The way to fight negativity is not with more sarcasm and negativity.

    I’m not trying to fight hyper negativity. I’m laughing at it.

  51. Turncloak
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    I so hope it is Val. I really don’t want Ygritte to get that role which is a possibility

  52. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: I so hope it is Val. I really don’t want Ygritte to get that role which is a possibility

    Whoa…that would lessen the shock/sadness value of S4, that’s for sure. That would be hard to take because of GoT events leading toward that dark direction (Ygritte’s demise) thus far.

    “If you thought this is going to have a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention…”

  53. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Premislaus,

    Yeah, that’s what I am feeling too.
    Actually, I am HOPING for it as well, because Ms. McGarth gives a VERY un-Val feeling to me

  54. Yago
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Too pretty to be one of Craster’s, that’s for sure.

  55. Al Swearengen
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Jane is stunningly beautiful.

  56. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Just seing her picture made me think of Merryweather, but beyond the Wall…hmmm. Not a lot of options.

  57. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    I so hope it is Val. I really don’t want Ygritte to get that role which is a possibility

    And here we go again. What do you base this on? Anything other than your own premonition?

  58. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    You can say that again. I hope she is shipped to Ramsay for some fun.

  59. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    D&D have said that there is a character who dies in the books that may not die in the show. A popular theory is it will be Ygritte.

  60. Nick Larter
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Ah we’re getting an early intro to Mother Mole ;D

  61. Doug
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Well time is ticking on them casting Val. The character is needed this coming season. If this isn’t it then it is beginning to look like Ygritte lives.

  62. boze
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Where did they say that? :o

  63. mariamb
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    D&D have said that there is a character who dies in the books that may not die in the show. A popular theory is it will be Ygritte.

    Wow – I hope not. Rose Leslie is wonderful but Ygritte’s death is a pivotal moment for Jon. As sad as it will be for viewers, I think that she has to die to move Jon’s character forward.

  64. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    mariamb: Wow – I hope not. Rose Leslie is wonderful but Ygritte’s death is a pivotal moment for Jon. As sad as it will be for viewers, I think that she has to die to move Jon’s character forward.

    They’ve only said an actor is campaigning for it. And I bet the actor is Sibel Kekilli because I know she’s the one George was talking to at last season’s party and was begging him not to kill off her character.

  65. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I remember this coming up in a recent thread. My understanding (which I believe Ours Is The Fury confirmed) is that this is a misunderstanding/conflation of two things Martin said.

    Martin said that an actress begged him not to kill off her character.

    Martin also complained (unreasonably IMO) about the problems with the show killing off characters (like Random Dothraki Number 15) who are still alive/important in the books.

  66. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I believe D&D mentioned it in regards to being asked about killing characters who were still alive in the books. It’s been a while since I read the article, I believe it was with EW.com.

  67. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:

    a) younger
    b) older
    c) prettier
    d) uglier
    e) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons above
    f) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks now
    g) the show has always sucked
    h) HODOR!

    You forgot that she’s supposed to be a PoC!

  68. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Jordan,

    I believe D&D mentioned it in regards to being asked about killing characters who were still alive in the books. It’s been a while since I read the article, I believe it was with EW.com.

    Yes. D&D said it. I don’t remember where but it’s been in more than one conversation. They’ve never said it is going to happen.

  69. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    The character who dies who lives in the show is Styr, I think. What they also mentioned is that a lovely young woman dies quite early in the season. Now that can’t be Shae, too early. I can only think Ygritte. If this actress is Val and that bald actor cast earlier is Styr (sorry, forgot his name), then more or less the same kind of relationship will be established between Jon and Val if Jon kills Styr in the war instead of the Wall. You’ll have the same kind of dialogue about her dead lover.

  70. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Giantsbabe: The character who dies who lives in the show is Styr, I think. What they also mentioned is that a lovely young woman dies quite early in the season.

    RIP Ygritte.

  71. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    2. They’re merging Dalla with Coldhands? I quit watching this show.

    Okay, this made me spit out my drink.

  72. boze
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    “As for upcoming deaths, naturally some actors are trying to make the writers keep them around. Benioff reveals that in season 4, “we have a death coming up, and a lovely young woman who doesn’t want to die.””

    I bet it was Rose Leslie they were talking about there.

  73. Mad Hatter
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Friend/Relative of Margery. Looks like a younger version.

  74. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    That or Sibel Kikelli’s Shae. I believe it was Sibel who begged GRRM not to kill her character, not knowing that he already had. Rose has already read all of the books and knows her character’s fate. So it is likely that she is who D&D are referring to. I believe the quote about a character who dies in the books surviving in the show was more of a hypothetical.

  75. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Either a new character, Dalla, random 2 line wildling no.5 or one of Craster’s girls is my guess.

    I doubt she’s Val because I don’t think they’ll introduce a potential love interest for Jon so soon after Ygritte dies.

  76. patchface
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:

    a) younger
    b) older
    c) prettier
    d) uglier
    e) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons above
    f) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks now
    g) the show has always sucked
    h) HODOR!

    You’re not being funny

  77. James
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    I thought whoever she is supposed to be is a POC? What the hell??????

  78. boze
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I believe it was Sibel who begged GRRM not to kill her character, not knowing that he already had.

    He didn’t mention any name, did he?

    EDIT: Yeah, no names mentioned:

    Martin said he met with three of the show’s stars during the party prior to the season three premiere earlier this year, and found it interesting because he knew their fate.

    “I had a moment where I realized they were all dead,” he said.

    “Actually, one of them knew it, but the other two didn’t know it yet… you know, they would know it they’d read the books!”

    There was one actress… who, at that same party said, ‘Oh, please don’t kill me, please don’t kill me, I don’t want to die — I love doing this show,’” he shared. “And I know that she, she does die. I felt very, very, very guilty.”

    EDIT2: OK, Rose Leslie has read the books, so I guess that wasn’t her who begged GRRM not to kill her character.

  79. Jentario
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Val, Dalla, Valla or random Wildling 15. Place your bets.

  80. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    yes, but does she have a dick?

  81. LordStarkington
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Looks more likely to be Strong Belwas to me. Nice misdirection, though.

  82. ebevan91
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:35 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: You forgot that she’s supposed to be a PoC!

    And she doesn’t have the right accent.

  83. Jentario
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    That wasn’t even slightly subtle, Rygar.

  84. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    Did you steal my Identity?

  85. WildSeed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    I wonder how they’ll handle Mance’s overall story before the battle at the wall in S4? His army shouldn’t just show up at the wall in ep 8 or 9, right? I hope there is more backstory. Hopefully, her character adds to his storyline as well and is not disposable.As an amalgamation of female wildlings, she may be a link between Mance and Styr, depending on how they write the Thenn storyline. In any case, the “Valla” character will definitely blossom in importance in S5.

    To me, Val is like a blonde Amazonian goddess, fiercely independent, intelligent and dreamy….almost out of place as a wildling. She is a fantasy among fantasies…..’nuff said.

    Yeah, similar thoughts to that………..

    To add to the trail of ridiculous comments about ” superficial appearances ” ,
    this actress is probably not tough enough, weak kneed , not the fiercest bitch
    on the planet. There, all bases covered, until another adds even more absurd
    remarks.

    I agree with WiC, from the subject post, this actress may be from Craster’s
    Keep. Beyond that, her admission of a Wildling role is enough information
    to gauge her role on GoT.

  86. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Doug:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Well time is ticking on them casting Val. The character is needed this coming season. If this isn’t it then it is beginning to look like Ygritte lives.

    Actually it is not looking like that at all.

  87. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    I guess it’s too much to hope she’s Val or Dalla. WiC’s guess is far more likely.

    (she wouldn’t be a bad look for either girl, though).

    Getting more depressed as I realize it’s less and less likely we’ll get a Val OR a Dalla. That, combined with the growing possibility they’re eliminating Greyjoys/completely changing/deleting/altering the Iron Islands storyline going forth, isn’t making me a happy camper. Tell me I’m wrong, D&D! Or Cogman.

  88. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    Is this parody complaining or actual complaining?

  89. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah, combining them would be…weird. I’m not eager to see a love triangle with Jon and Mance on the show. I like the suggestion by a poster above that Dalla will be mentioned but die before she makes an onscreen appearance, eliminating the need to cast her without having to combine her and Val. Though I’d rather we get both, of course.

  90. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats:
    I guess it’s too much to hope she’s Val or Dalla. WiC’s guess is far more likely.

    (she wouldn’t be a bad look for either girl, though).

    Getting more depressed as I realize it’s less and less likely we’ll get a Val OR a Dalla. That, combined with the growing possibility they’re eliminating Greyjoys/completely changing/deleting/altering the Iron Islands storyline going forth, isn’t making me a happy camper. Tell me I’m wrong, D&D! Or Cogman.

    Had I typed that, people would have been like “Oh, GeekFurious, stop being so obvious in your attempts at sarcasm. NO ONE would ever be this nutty.”

  91. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Actual ‘complaining’ (‘worrying’ is all it actually is, but call it what you want).

    Care to explain your arch mockery?

    GeekFurious,

    OK, you too? Is everyone in on the joke except me where it’s ridiculous to be disappointed in major changes from the books?

  92. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    boze: He didn’t mention any name, did he?

    EDIT: Yeah, no names mentioned:

    He didn’t mention any names. But I know it was her because there were people at the party other than George.

  93. RDL
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:29 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Kind of funny how she isn’t supposed to talk about it or give anything away, and then she talks about it and gives something away (admittedly minor, but still).

    My thoughts exactly. And why is everyone overreacting? You don’t even know who she’s playing! They made a announcement about the actresses who played thetwo whores Ramsay had last season. You saw them for what, ten minutes? It’s not a big deal. Relax.

  94. GamecockBeyondTheWal
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    can you relax geek? It’s probably Val... I dont know what is wrong with GEEK… but he/she really pissing me off….enough to where I post my first comment after viewing this site every day for the past year

  95. Arkash
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Best thread intro ever ! =D

    Anyway, gonna read the thread now but my vote for one of Craster’s wife as well… seems we might get some more Karl and Rast still-non-wight this season !

    Could really spice up Bran’s storyline !

    She’s definitly not Dalla, they would never have Mance Rayder have a such young wife (well… I think…), so could be Val but wouldnt bet on Dalla and I love this cause I really wanted to keep the two characters separate !

  96. KG
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I violently disagree with all your disagreements! My baseless rage knows NO BOUNDS!

  97. KG
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,

    Hey white IS an ethnicity! QUIT OPPRESSING US!

  98. WildSeed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    who even?:
    The way to fight negativity is not with more sarcasm and negativity. I don’t know why it’s so hard for some people to realize that >.>. By mocking the people who only have something negative to say and overreact to everything, you are actually contributing to making the comments an unpleasant place to be. Because that’s also unnecessary hostility. I don’t mean any specific “you.” Just people who do that in general…. /soapbox

    The most intelligent statement of this post. You wrote better than I could express it.

  99. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    I wasn’t mocking. More honestly curious.

    I don’t get though why you are convinced of/so afraid of those cuts. We probably don’t know the complete cast yet for season 4 and some of those you mention could be offscreen til season 5. Also, Balon is clearly a dead man walking.

  100. Arkash
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Nick Larter:
    Ah we’re getting an early intro to Mother Mole ;D

    Hahaha, well made ! ;)

    .

    Anyway, I really really hope they dont merge Val and Dalla !

    As another poster said above : people seem to think it would simplify the story to merge them… maybe on a short-term, but on the long one, when we get to Dance, it wouldnt at all ! Val is supposed to be independant, fierce, strong, not a mother (not diminishing being a mother at all of course !).

    .

    2. They’re merging Dalla with Coldhands? I quit watching this show.

    Hehehe, this as well ! =D

  101. deathdreams
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    She would make a good waif

  102. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I would be surprised if many more major casting announcements came out by now. A big character like Val would probably get a press release once it was confirmed, and the latest we had a major casting press-release last year, IIRC, was the long-delayed casting of Mance, which was announced in mid-August.

    I suppose it’s possible they’ll wait on Val until S5, but with all the new names that need to be introduced that season, and the few that need to be introduced this season (The Red Viper? Mace Tyrell? that’s it with the movers and shakers I think), that wouldn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    My same logic goes with the Greyjoys. Why on earth wait until S5 to introduce Balon’s brothers along with another major family, another set of characters (JonCon&co) and who knows who else? S4 is the ideal time to introduce Victarion, Euron, and the Damphair, and arguably get the Kingsmoot out of the way. Otherwise S5 is going to be a swamp.

    Combine this speculation with the fact Cogman told us, flat-out, that Season 5 was going to start making drastic changes from the books and implied major character cuts…well, I have reason to be worried.

  103. Delta1212
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:05 pm | Permalink
  104. Serjeant Grumbles
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Whoever she’s playing, I’m glad they’re casting more people of gender on the show.

  105. Jordan
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    I see where you are coming from. At least for now, I feel that if the show casts someone like Bronze Yonn, chances are we will get at least one Greyjoy brother and I hope Ben Plumm.

    In general though it seems like every season people worry about massive changes- and then those end up not happening. The show sometimes takes a different road than the books but ends up in the same place.

  106. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    Well, the same people who hated books 4 and 5 will probably be the first to criticize D&D when they make alterations to streamline the story. Not accusing you of doing that. I’ll wait until I actually see what they do before critiquing, but honestly, I won’t shed a tear if we don’t get all 3 Greyjoy brothers. The same goes for Quentyn and his failed quest.

  107. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    My vote is for Val/Dalla.

  108. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Geez, it’s going to be an awfully long Fall and Winter….

    On a related note, the Halloween stores are starting to stock up on ASoI&F costumes. There’s even a Strong Belwas leather vest costume, complete with a giant mound of shit and a plate of honey-dipped locusts to serve your trick or treaters.

  109. MRR
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m not convinced that it’s one of Craster’s wives. When she says that north of the Wall is “stunning”… that sounds to me like Iceland, not Craster’s Keep (the set for which is noted for being more stinky than stunning).

  110. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    I think she is stunning. Could give Doreah a run for the hottest legal GoT gal.

  111. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: I think she is stunning. Could give Doreah a run for the hottest legal GoT gal.

    A few hours ago, you were wondering if she was a hermaphrodite. Change of heart, R?

  112. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    MRR,

    They didn’t shoot any North of the Wall scenes in Iceland. She states that she has been filming in Belfast, which is where Craster’s set is built.

  113. Jacarb
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    You hijacked the thread in the very first post, and now the first half of the damn thread is about you. I suppose I’m being hypocritical in adding to that, so I’ll promise to only do this this once, but I’m on the side of those who find posts like yours annoying. Especially when they replace an actual discussion. I’m not offended, outraged, or any of that. Just bored with this.

    Anyways. I agree that Ms. McGrath is likely one of Craster’s. The “you feel like you’re actually there” comment makes me think of how the exterior set of Craster’s Keep was more or less built authentically. One can be stunned by stink!

    As for the Dalla/Val discussion, I see no reason they need to be merged. Dalla dies about ten seconds after we meet her, and reworking the plot to fit a merge would be more contortion than just getting an extra for those ten seconds. Hell, they don’t have to even show Dalla if Mance says something like, “This is my son. His mother died giving birth to him.” Granted, the story might still be changed for some reason or another, and there could be some reason to merge them that we’re unaware of, but as it is there is no need to simplify. If there are any changes, I suspect they might just skip over Mance having a wife and baby altogether, introduce Val as his daughter (or something else “princess”-y), have Aemon die at the wall, and have the need for a maester be the reason to send Sam south.

  114. J
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    What a HOTTIE !! Too bad she’ll be buried in bear hides. Let’s hope she makes it to warmer climes south of the Wall…

  115. WildSeed
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Geez, it’s going to be an awfully long Fall and Winter….

    On a related note, the Halloween stores are starting to stock up on ASoI&F costumes. There’s even a Strong Belwas leather vest costume, complete with a giant mound of shit and a plate of honey-dipped locusts to serve your trick or treaters.

    Just make sure there’s an equal supply of honeyed spicy , crispy locust, and I’ll
    consider purchasing a platinum wig. That GoT ( pay phone )
    parody should be blaring at full volume, in the background
    of shoppers.

    back to topic ____ wonder why HBO has been so tight lipped
    about major characters to join the cast. Well, that’s not
    entirely accurate…. perhaps it’s just too soon. We’re getting
    news of a few non consequential faces and extras to be
    eliminated after an episode or two. Darn it *>*

  116. Sor Duncan, the Tall
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    kobe:
    maybe she is val or dalla?

    yea… probably

  117. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: back to topic ____ wonder why HBO has been so tight lippedabout major characters to join the cast. Well, that’s notentirely accurate…. perhaps it’s just too soon. We’re gettingnews of a few non consequential faces and extras to beeliminated after an episode or two. Darn it *>*

    …just witness the frenzy that they/we have created! What else do they need to do? The train is definitely moving on its own momentum now.

  118. Cosca
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    I don’t understand. Why is Val necessary? She hasn’t done anything that warrants her inclusion. Could someone please explain why she has so many fans? Is it just because she’s attractive?

  119. Cris
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    M,

    Eyebrows grow, make-up does wonders on this show as well…

    Anyway she’ll probably play Mance’s wife.

  120. Jacarb
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: …just witness the frenzy that they/we have created! What else do they need to do? The train is definitely moving on its own momentum now.

    Totally. Though I do find it funny that everyone in the frenzy would be watching anyways.

    There is also something to be said for the NDAs that everyone on the production has to sign. It could be that no one close to the production cares much about casting secrecy but the PR folks who are actually authorized to make announcements just take their sweet time.

    We’re also a very unique combination of impatient and informed; fans of most other shows don’t know about upcoming roles, and would never notice a large gap between an actor’s casting and the announcement.

  121. House Snow
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure who she is but doesn’t quite fit my picture of val . Can’t see this girl flirting with Jon

  122. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Cosca: I don’t understand. Why is Val necessary? She hasn’t done anything that warrants her inclusion. Could someone please explain why she has so many fans? Is it just because she’s attractive?

    I guess the same could be said of Ros and Talisa (instead of J)…and they proved fairly interesting in GoT. I always thought that Stannis and Jon believed Val could link the Thenn and the wildlings with their cause. Additionally, Val may have a lineage or secret of interest. Plus, Mel needs someone to be jealous of. Finally, like you said, she is an attractive, assertive woman, which is a concept that usually succeeds on a TV show. She might just shake things up a bit at the male-dominated Castle Black.

  123. spacechampion
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    The problem with eliminating characters is that remove too many and a lot of plot and motivation for the main characters get removed. All we’d have left is just people standing around or walking / sailing / riding from one place to another. “A bit chilly today.” “That’s because Winter is Coming.” DUN DUH DAAAAA

  124. lady
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Did you have that pre-typed with a she and he version ready to go for whatever the next casting was?

  125. Greg
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    I’m betting she’s either Val or Dalla. She doesn’t quite match my picture of Val but that doesn’t bother me that much.

  126. Doug
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Then what do you think they plan on doing if they do not cast and skip the character Val?

  127. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: A few hours ago, you were wondering if she was a hermaphrodite. Change of heart, R?

    A few hours ago I was sober.

  128. StarksFinalHeir
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    why couldn’t she play Gilly

  129. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    StarksFinalHeir:
    why couldn’t she play Gilly

    I want to do disgusting things to Gillys overbite…

  130. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Cosca,
    I don’t recall you raising any complaints to Fat Walda being cast, and Val is objectively a much more important character than she is. As for her role: she shapes the dynamic between the Watch/Stannis and the Wildlings, and is a very powerful tool in negotiations.

  131. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb: GeekFurious, As for the Dalla/Val discussion, I see no reason they need to be merged. Dalla dies about ten seconds after we meet her, and reworking the plot to fit a merge would be more contortion than just getting an extra for those ten seconds. Hell, they don’t have to even show Dalla if Mance says something like, “This is my son. His mother died giving birth to him.” Granted, the story might still be changed for some reason or another, and there could be some reason to merge them that we’re unaware of, but as it is there is no need to simplify. If there are any changes, I suspect they might just skip over Mance having a wife and baby altogether, introduce Val as his daughter (or something else “princess”-y), have Aemon die at the wall, and have the need for a maester be the reason to send Sam south.

    I’m intrigued by most of this…but a lack of a Mance baby might be problematic. Furthermore, I am concerned that we never saw a pregnant woman while Jon was in the wildling camp. I think you’re onto something that is budget-minded and might fit well with the battles, Craster’s mayhem Pt 2 w/Coldhands, Bran and Co and the arrival of Stan the Man. Maybe Aemon could impart more historical wisdom to Jon and Sam before he succumbs to darkness. There’s a lot of stuff to be balanced up North and a chance to tie things together more efficiently. Many folks agree that Jon’s story and the North story in general needs work.

    Val’s a tough call with this one. She should be introduced in S4, but I don’t think we’ve “seen” her yet.

  132. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    Doug:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Then what do you think they plan on doing if they do not cast and skip the character Val?

    I don’t really know, but I’m just not making this type of leap of logic. Every character of importance – that is, more important than Dany’s handmaidens that is supposed to be dead by now is dead. Every one that is supposed to be alive is alive. So I do not share the constant handwringing that comes every time we hear about a casting announcement or lack thereof. Occam’s Razor – the simplest explanation is likely the correct one, and in this case, like many others, the answer is probably that we don’t know or have all of the information. It’s one thing to have a big to-do about the casting of Oberyn Martell, who is a big favorite among fans. It’s another to assume that because you haven’t heard any news about a relatively minor character to assume that the character A) is not being included and therefore B) another major character’s storyline is being completely altered in a way that fundamentally changes the arc of one of the 3 most important characters in the entire series. That just does not make sense.

  133. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Some people may not like the mocking Geekfurious engages in, but to try to put it more plainly, we’ve seen throughout the casting threads, throughout the filming threads, and then later when we get to the trailers (which is when this nonsense really intensifies), that people use pretty much baseless speculation based on incomplete information to jump to uncomfortable conclusions that they don’t like, and then rail against those things when it isn’t clear that A) D&D have made such changes or B) that we have all of the information. And hearing this go around and around again has made a bunch of us pretty stir crazy, basically.

    Last year we had a long, long back-and-forth over the presence of a single “bong” sound on the soundtrack as our “clue” that LS was coming at the very last second of Myhsa, and when it didn’t happen, people went nuts. We were all betting on it because of a soundtrack sound! People make suppositions if they haven’t heard that someone is filming: someone said they hadn’t heard that Janos Slynt was returning, so therefore the rumors that Locke was going to the Wall meant they eliminated or re-cast Slynt.

    We’ve got several months to go. And these aren’t the books. It’s the show. Things will be different. And for those of us Sullied, it’s a rare enjoyable thing that we don’t know exactly what’s going to happen. So let’s try to chill a bit, maybe?

  134. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber:
    Some people may not like the mocking Geekfurious engages in, but to try to put it more plainly, we’ve seen throughout the casting threads, throughout the filming threads, and then later when we get to the trailers (which is when this nonsense really intensifies), that people use pretty much baseless speculation based on incomplete information to jump to uncomfortable conclusions that they don’t like, and then rail against those things when it isn’t clear that A) D&D have made such changes or B) that we have all of the information. And hearing this go around and around again has made a bunch of us pretty stir crazy, basically.

    Last year we had a long, long back-and-forth over the presence of a single “bong” sound on the soundtrack as our “clue” that LS was coming at the very last second of Myhsa, and when it didn’t happen, people went nuts. We were all betting on it because of a soundtrack sound! People make suppositions if they haven’t heard that someone is filming: someone said they hadn’t heard that Janos Slynt was returning, so therefore the rumors that Locke was going to the Wall meant they eliminated or re-cast Slynt.

    We’ve got several months to go. And these aren’t the books. It’s the show. Things will be different. And for those of us Sullied, it’s a rare enjoyable thing that we don’t know exactly what’s going to happen. So let’s try to chill a bit, maybe?

    Exactly what I’m thinking about doing to Gillys overbite.

  135. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    I think she is stunning.Could give Doreah a run for the hottest legal GoT gal.

    She’s pretty, but not even close to the top of the list in my book….! Doreah? Seriously? I liked Irri better. Carice van Houten is probably my favourite still (I understand I may not be in the majority on this point).

    Back to the discussion… I’d guess she’ll be Mance’s sister-in-law, probably. But I’ve gotten all the guesses wrong so far this year, so…

  136. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber:
    Some people may not like the mocking Geekfurious engages in, but to try to put it more plainly, we’ve seen throughout the casting threads, throughout the filming threads, and then later when we get to the trailers (which is when this nonsense really intensifies), that people use pretty much baseless speculation based on incomplete information to jump to uncomfortable conclusions that they don’t like, and then rail against those things when it isn’t clear that A) D&D have made such changes or B) that we have all of the information. And hearing this go around and around again has made a bunch of us pretty stir crazy, basically.

    Last year we had a long, long back-and-forth over the presence of a single “bong” sound on the soundtrack as our “clue” that LS was coming at the very last second of Myhsa, and when it didn’t happen, people went nuts. We were all betting on it because of a soundtrack sound! People make suppositions if they haven’t heard that someone is filming: someone said they hadn’t heard that Janos Slynt was returning, so therefore the rumors that Locke was going to the Wall meant they eliminated or re-cast Slynt.

    We’ve got several months to go. And these aren’t the books. It’s the show. Things will be different. And for those of us Sullied, it’s a rare enjoyable thing that we don’t know exactly what’s going to happen. So let’s try to chill a bit, maybe?

    I fully concur. I had a chuckle at GeekFurious’ rant.

  137. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:21 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    For reals. Doreth is so dreamy. Like Leif Garrett dreamy.

  138. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Yes. Carice is the hottest on the show, IMO. Charlotte Hope is damn fine as well. Natalie Dormer too.

  139. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Carice is the hottest still alive and older than 18 girl on the show.

  140. Ser Sleez
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to see her boobs

  141. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber:
    Some people may not like the mocking Geekfurious engages in, but to try to put it more plainly, we’ve seen throughout the casting threads, throughout the filming threads, and then later when we get to the trailers (which is when this nonsense really intensifies), that people use pretty much baseless speculation based on incomplete information to jump to uncomfortable conclusions that they don’t like, and then rail against those things when it isn’t clear that A) D&D have made such changes or B) that we have all of the information. And hearing this go around and around again has made a bunch of us pretty stir crazy, basically.

    Last year we had a long, long back-and-forth over the presence of a single “bong” sound on the soundtrack as our “clue” that LS was coming at the very last second of Myhsa, and when it didn’t happen, people went nuts. We were all betting on it because of a soundtrack sound! People make suppositions if they haven’t heard that someone is filming: someone said they hadn’t heard that Janos Slynt was returning, so therefore the rumors that Locke was going to the Wall meant they eliminated or re-cast Slynt.

    We’ve got several months to go. And these aren’t the books. It’s the show. Things will be different. And for those of us Sullied, it’s a rare enjoyable thing that we don’t know exactly what’s going to happen. So let’s try to chill a bit, maybe?

    THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! BURN GEEKFURIOUS! He’s ruining Game of Thrones!

  142. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:42 pm | Permalink

    Ser Sleez:
    I can’t wait to see her boobs

    Most intelligent comment ever. Better than Geekfurious

  143. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    GeekFurious,

    You hijacked the thread in the very first post, and now the first half of the damn thread is about you. I suppose I’m being hypocritical in adding to that, so I’ll promise to only do this this once, but I’m on the side of those who find posts like yours annoying. Especially when they replace an actual discussion.

    We need to get that guy banned. He’s hijacking our ability to complain about ridiculous things without feeling judged!

    Mind you, people still went on to discuss things in whatever way they wanted. But hey. Let’s keep up with the hyperbole and pretend something is happening that isn’t. Which, mind you, is exactly my point.

    There is a group of people who not only gravitate toward hysterics but thrive on them. And most of them seem to come to Internet discussions to overreact with their fake outrage.

  144. GeekFurious
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: Most intelligent comment ever.Better than Geekfurious

    We are now enemies. I hope you know that.

  145. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber: …Last year we had a long, long back-and-forth over the presence of a single “bong” sound on the soundtrack as our “clue” that LS was coming at the very last second of Myhsa, and when it didn’t happen, people went nuts.

    Nah…I was so enraged at the less-than-supernatural ending of “Mhysa,” that the following weekend I grabbed my Handycam and my dog and a few neighbors and went down to the local creek and crudely filmed the version that should have been. Hah! I showed them. I felt fucking awesome for a few weeks. Then I reviewed my masterpiece again and, except for my Bearded Collie as Nymeria, I quickly realized that I wasn’t a filmaker….so I archived it, sighed, and moved on.

    But we did get to have our moment of speculation and hope that a certain non-POV scene would be filmed! That was enjoyable and I’ll never forget it. And we’ve been goofily and passionately doing this dance year-round since many of us Sullied heard about GoT. Speculatively, I’m wrong over 75% of the time, but…fuck it…what an awesome supplement to the work day, eh?

  146. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: hypocritical

    Know it? Its why I draw breath. prepare to meet your destiny.

  147. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: We are now enemies. I hope you know that.
    Rygar

    I think the women have left the building.

  148. Rygar
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: We are now enemies. I hope you know that.

    Meant to quote this damn booze.

  149. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Carice is the hottest still alive and older than 18 girl on the show.

    Conjecture from ADWD is that she may not technically be alive :)

  150. Chickenduck
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:10 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: I think the women have left the building.

    Yeah.

  151. Cary Storm
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Nah…I was so enraged at the less-than-supernatural ending of “Mhysa,” that the following weekend I grabbed my Handycam and my dog and a few neighbors and went down to the local creek and crudely filmed the version that should have been. Hah! I showed them. I felt fucking awesome for a few weeks. Then I reviewed my masterpiece again and, except for my Bearded Collie as Nymeria, I quickly realized that I wasn’t a filmaker….so I archived it, sighed, and moved on.

    You need to put this on Youtube. For us. Please. For the baby direwolves too.

  152. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I try not to criticize D&D since it seems like they have one of the hardest jobs in the world and I honestly think there aren’t two human beings alive who could have made a better adaptation of ASoIaF. When I think of what they’ve accomplished so far, and how well they’ve adapted scenes like Ned’s execution and the Red Wedding, it’s hard to imagine myself years ago allowing myself to dream anyone could do such a good job.

    That said…that doesn’t mean I can’t express disappointment if some of my favorite characters, scenes or storylines get cut. There’s some stuff I’d be sad to never see on screen. The Kingsmoot, and the characterizations of Victarion and Euron are some of them. Not the least since I suspect they both have a major role to play in the final two books, and I have a feeling Victarion may get a redemption arc of some kind.

    Of course, I’m one of those oddballs who loves books 4 and 5. :)

  153. outdoorcats
    Posted September 12, 2013 at 11:49 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m trying not to get my hopes up she’s Val or something, so we’ll call this playing devil’s advocate, but in theory Mance’s army could have moved far enough south by S4 (to the ‘foresty’ part shot near Belfast) that they’re done filming any North of the Wall scenes in Iceland. After all, we haven’t heard anything about a winter Iceland shoot this year, have we? Just the summer one.

  154. Carne
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Well, she lives in Ireland and they usually cast local actors for tiny roles, so a wife of Craster sounds likely.

  155. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard

    http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Queen.html

    Read if you want one mind-blowing Val/Dalla theory :)

  156. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard

    http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Queen.html

    Read if you want one mind-blowing Val/Dalla theory :)
    Also, there are some interesting discussions to be found on Westeros I think where comparisons are drawn between wildling culture and Norse mythology. GrrM had stated he used it as an inspiration for the wildlings. So based on this people have thrown it out there that Val and Dalla are reminiscent of the Vala (same sounding as their names?), shamans/seers who travelled around and attached themselves to worthy chiefs of clans, who they deemed good leaders, in order to be their wives and give them advice (Mance mentioned to Jon he met Dalla on the road back from Winterfell). So people are speculating whether they might be from some sort of high priestesshood (if not house Umber or Flint), acting as intermediaries between the Old Gods and men. Note Val’s description when she brings Tormund back to Jon. The white clothing, the weirwood pin (heraldry ends at the Wall, remember?) And the bone dagger. She also seems completely unafraid of the WW when Jon sends her out. Jon also hears her singing more than once and assumes she’s singing to the baby. Vala sang to see the future/ communicate with the gods (but can’t exactly remember) I think she has a bigger role to play in future books and it may possibly have something to do with Jon’s revival, instead of Mel, if he survives.

  157. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe: Hodor’s Bastardhttp://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Queen.htmlRead if you want one mind-blowing Val/Dalla theory :)

    Ultra cool….gracias! Say hello to Wun Wun for me.

    (Sort of blows the “Val is important” theory wide open…damn, are you Elio’s associate?)

  158. WildSeed
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    Thanks for this , Mags. I’ve had similar thoughts when reading, with respects to
    the Wildling / Norse mythology.. As for Val and Dalla, GRRM did appear
    to leave open a fore coming premise for an interesting future there.
    I’m
    certain that GoT could pull a rabbit out of the hat for a sure winner of an
    episode or two, maybe more. Ygritte was beautiful to watch onscreen, even
    with the clunky script. I ended up liking her just a tad more from her book
    persona, real true grit female. I’m looking forward to more intellect than
    feisty -ness , hopefully the script gives us a few more gems as with the likes of
    lady Brienne, Danerys , etc. Dalla is Wildling fierce and smart to boot.

    Can’t wait for future mischief with Asha , with the Greyjoy clan, and the
    beautiful Martell sisters.

  159. WildSeed
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    Carne:
    Well, she lives in Ireland and they usually cast local actors for tiny roles, so awife of Craster sounds likely.

    It’s the best speculation I could muster, that and the filming location tips.

  160. barnie
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:46 am | Permalink

    Thats Benjen. Another recast….

  161. WildSeed
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious: Mind you, people still went on to discuss things in whatever way they wanted.

    OR_______ returned a few hours later, hoping the nonsense would flicker out
    and die, like an extinguished flame . *>*

    Dammit, gotta kill another moth….. bye

  162. Kilgore Tully
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    You sound like a menopausal mother, exaggerating legit criticism into something unreasonable that you can play martyr to.

  163. GeekFurious
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:58 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully:
    GeekFurious,

    You sound like a menopausal mother, exaggerating legit criticism into something unreasonable that you can play martyr to.

    What legit criticism exactly? Please. Tell me. What casting hysteria turned out to be founded?

  164. GeekFurious
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    Cary Storm: You need to put this on Youtube. For us.Please.For the baby direwolves too.

    Indeed! I must see this.

  165. Lou Reed
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:51 am | Permalink

    Love her eyes. Val is beautiful and scary, and she could fit the part.

    Jon Snow is scared by thought of trying to “steal” her, as you need to do with wildling women.

    Hope she is Val.

  166. kurozukin
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:06 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Plus, Mel needs someone to be jealous of.

    ??? When or how has Mel ever been shown to be jealous of Val? Why would she be jealous in the first place? Why does she “need someone to be jealous of”? This makes no sense?

    Anyway, as I see it, it’s not so much that Val should be cut or that she has nothing to add to the story… it’s more a question of, would the story suffer irreparable damage if she was cut? I doubt it. Sure it’s possible that she’s actually of pivotal importance to the future plot… the same as could have been said for many of the cool/interesting characters they’ve already cut from the show. We don’t really know. Given that D&D have actually spoken to GRRM about his plans for the story, I think they might have a slightly better idea than we do about which characters are uncuttable.

  167. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:18 am | Permalink

    In regards to Val’s possible importance; there are theories that she will try to hurt/kill Shireen because her greyscale freaks Val right the hell out.

    If she is important she’ll be cast. They make changes on the show, but nothing that would drastically alter the main characters or the plot. Remember season 2? People thought the Reeds and Ramsay were being cut. Then they showed up this year. Characters that matter will eventually be introduced, it just might not be the same way as the books.

    I’ve seen speculation that Tyrion is being so whitewashed that they won’t have him kill Tywin and Shae. That’s just ridiculous.

  168. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious: What legit criticism exactly? Please. Tell me. What casting hysteria turned out to be founded?

    Of course all the discussions about skin or eye colour are ridiculous, as well as judging people’s acting abilities from 5 second clips, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t legit criticism.
    I’m sure many people agree with me that the changes in season 2 (Talisa, Jon’s storyline, WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?!?) were inferior to the book material. And especially Theon’s arc suffered from delaying Ramsay and then randomly introducing him in season 3.

    So yeah, there’s unfounded hysteria, but it’s stupid to dismiss all criticism because of that. I can understand when fans fear possible changes, I mean, all the people posting in these threads are probably damn attached to the books.

  169. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:59 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:

    I’ve seen speculation that Tyrion is being so whitewashed that they won’t have him kill Tywin and Shae.That’s just ridiculous.

    It’s a fact that the show has cut most of Tyrion’s morally questionnable acts – Poisoning Cersei, Seizing Tommen, Symon Silvertounge (if the PW is in episode 2 I don’t think they’ll include him in S4). If he kills Shae it will come pretty much out of the left field. So I can see where the speculation is coming from

  170. Eleanor
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:10 am | Permalink

    She’s a real Irish cailín! Good to see more in the cast.

    Regardless of who this actress plays, I agree that a Valla character is very unlikely when it would be far simpler to just mention a Dalla who dies offscreen.

  171. Kael of the Lake
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned: I can understand when fans fear possible changes, I mean, all the people posting in these threads are probably damn attached to the books.

    No, not really.
    But I can understand what you’re talking about. They shouldn’t merge strong Belvas with Arya, it totally ruins the story.

  172. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned,

    Just reading about that again physically hurt me (

  173. GeekFurious
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned: Of course all the discussions about skin or eye colour are ridiculous, as well as judging people’s acting abilities from 5 second clips, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t legit criticism.

    I can’t think of one that was accurate. So far, you can’t either… since those points you mentioned are about story telling, not casting hysterics. I didn’t mention anything in that comment about writing hysterics.

    Though, give me time. ;)

  174. A-Gone
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    At first, I read “give it away”, instead of “give anything away”…duuude

  175. LittleCatPaws
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:57 am | Permalink

    lady:
    GeekFurious,

    Did you have that pre-typed with a she and he version ready to go for whatever the next casting was?

    LOL nice one

  176. OldeCrone
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    If she’s “beyond the wall” she can’t be Mya Stone which was my first thought on reading just the heading. I’m still playing catch up with the books but they didn’t have “Feast for Crows” last time I went to the local library. So a wildling – which one I don’t know. I don’t suppose this actress is any relation to Katie McGrath? KM can do medieval but I don’t think we’ll see her in GoT as she’s signed up for a series about “Dracula” I’m told. I don’t k now this actress. Whatever this Ms McGrath has been cast for I am willing to play the waiting game to find out. It’s only recently that mainland UK has started showing Irish made programmes. If the recent “Love/Hate” crime series was typical they have some very capable actors and actresses in Eire.

  177. OldeCrone
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:20 am | Permalink

    Kael of the Lake,

    Oh Kael, you’ve got me all disappointed. That was the merging I was really looking forward too. On a serious note, it’s very cold and miserable for late summer where I live, so your comment gave me a chuckle on a grey day.

  178. Chickenduck
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:21 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe:
    Hodor’s Bastard

    http://branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Queen.html

    Read if you want one mind-blowing Val/Dalla theory :)

    That’s pretty cool.

    Some of the details might be coincidences, but a key detail is that GRRM, despite including detailed genealogies for at least 2-3 generations back from all the other main characters, has never mentioned what house Ned’s mother came from…

    So I’m open to this being correct.

  179. Chickenduck
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned: Of course all the discussions about skin or eye colour are ridiculous, as well as judging people’s acting abilities from 5 second clips, but that doesn’t mean there wasn’t legit criticism.
    I’m sure many people agree with me that the changes in season 2 (Talisa, Jon’s storyline, WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?!?) were inferior to the book material. And especially Theon’s arc suffered from delaying Ramsay and then randomly introducing him in season 3.

    So yeah, there’s unfounded hysteria, but it’s stupid to dismiss all criticism because of that. I can understand when fans fear possible changes, I mean, all the people posting in these threads are probably damn attached to the books.

    With all due respect, he asked about hysteria based on casting assumptions – whereas you’ve listed writing issues.

    Two completely separate issues.

    With regards to the writing issues – it’s worth having a look at the Writers’ Room episode with D&D. They’re pretty open that they’ve made mistakes (some interesting stories about the original pilot)…

    Don’t want to get into the discussion too much, but whilst I’d agree that Dany and Jon’s S2 storylines were crap, my feeling is Talisa was a much better choice for TV than an off-screen Jeyne affair.

    But 1. they’re human and 2. on balance I still think they’ve done an amazing job. I mean, the fact that a show like this not only exists, but is watched by a massive worldwide audience who often wouldn’t normally be fantasy fans, says a lot.

    (Although obviously, worldwide popularity isn’t always an indication of quality… see McDonalds, Justin Bieber, Soccer etc for details ;) ).

  180. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: The most intelligent statement of this post. You wrote better than I could express it.

    Agree…

  181. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 7:34 am | Permalink

    Chickenduck:

    (Although obviously, worldwide popularity isn’t always an indication of quality…see McDonalds, Justin Bieber, Soccer etc for details ;) ).

    Wtf is soccer?? If you mean football then you’re wrong :P

  182. Chickenduck
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 8:13 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano,

    Haha, I knew someone’d take the bait :)

  183. Kael of the Lake
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    Glad I could help.
    In the Mediterranean area, too much sun (even in September) makes one imagine strange things.
    (Apparently, I don’t have to drink as much as Rygar to come up with this stuff. )

  184. Turncloack
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 8:40 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: And here we go again. What do you base this on? Anything other than your own premonition?

    The fact that Val has not been officially cast, Ygritte is a fan favourite, D&D have stated that there was an actress pleading for her character’s life, and D&D have stated that those that die in the books wont necessarily die in the show

  185. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 9:16 am | Permalink

    Turncloack: The fact that Val has not been officially cast, Ygritte is a fan favourite, D&D have stated that there was an actress pleading for her character’s life, and D&D have stated that those that die in the books wont necessarily die in the show

    All of which amounts to nothing.

  186. RobbWind resurrected for doggie style with Walder Frey
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Everybody relax. We know HBO has done some questionable casting choices lately. Chill out. I have complete faith in the casting direction. This new beautiful young girl is the new Dario. Lesbian Mereen scenes will make us forget about ED Skrien. Because we are stupid. She could be casted as Drogon the Dragon or maybe the a Hound recast-some burn scars and we won’t know the difference. Maybe she could play all three.

  187. Arden
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    Wow so lame.. You’re part of the problem

  188. Jentario
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Eleanor,

    True, that’s a much better alternative. They could also cast an extra for the role since she’d only have a couple of lines or no lines at all.

    Thanks for removing my doubt that we will see a Valla!

  189. DaenyB
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    OldCrone, as an Irish person I’m delighted you like Love/Hate (it really is an excellent show and would recommend it for anyone who likes crime drama/see down-and-dirty Dublin).
    I’m gonna go with this girl being craster’swife#12 and not get caught up in whether or not Val and Dalla will make an appearance. I long ago put my trust in D&D and can easily separate the show from the books in my mind, very few changes bother me and when they do, they still don’t ruin an episode for me really.

  190. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    kurozukin: ??? When or how has Mel ever been shown to be jealous of Val? Why would she be jealous in the first place? Why does she “need someone to be jealous of”? This makes no sense?

    More speculation on my part than proof. In the books, Mel hasn’t demonstrated any obvious jealosy toward Val…although in her very intriguing ADwD POV chapter she exhibits more insecurities about her actual power, religious views and control over Stannis than previously thought. Mel (and we) have noticed that Stannis and Jon see Val as an above-average wildling (in many ways) and a probable liaison between the Northfolk and the Thenn/wildlings. Val is a strong woman who influences Stannis and Jon naturally…Mel’s control/influence is forced. As readers, we also know that Val is suspect of Shireen’s presence…possibly not just because she has greyscale…which could affect their relations. Also, as analysts (see Giantsbabe’s cool post), we have a subtle feeling that Val might be more than meets the eye.

    Also, in GoT…we have obvious instances where Mel is impressed/envious of Thoros and Davos and others in Stannis’s inner circle. Why wouldn’t she be envious/jealous of Val in the show?

    Then again…pure speculation on my part. Cheers!

  191. OldeCrone
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    DaenyB,

    Reading my posts from this morning I see I broke one of my own rules and didn’t proofread properly and said “forward too” where I should have said “forward to”. Going slightly off the point, I haven’t really got to the Sand Snakes yet in my book reading, though I have heard of them via people who have read further than myself, but looking at “Love/Hate”, Ruth Negga might make a suitable candidate for a Sand Snake (though Oberyn would have had to have fathered her awfully young). RN can pass for younger than her calendar age in my opinion.

  192. mariamb
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Here is another actress filming a role in GOT:

    https://twitter.com/Jessica_JensenX

    Twitter: Jessica Jensen ‏@Jessica_JensenX
    “So excited to be filming for Game Of Thrones on Monday :D”

  193. Davy
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:29 pm | Permalink

    It’s even said that Val might be night’s queen. As she travels to through the wall after meeting Thormund but returns with blue eyes & white skin, she didn’t have that before.

  194. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    mariamb: Here is another actress filming a role in GOT:https://twitter.com/Jessica_JensenXTwitter: Jessica Jensen ‏@Jessica_JensenX“So excited to be filming for Game Of Thrones on Monday :D”

    NSFW!!!!!!

  195. Myk Lonmouth
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: HORRIBLE CASTING! She’s supposed to be:a) youngerb) olderc) prettierd) ugliere) look, I know they haven’t old us what character she is playing but this ruins the show for any of the reasons abovef) this option covers any other possible reason why the show sucks nowg) the show has always suckedh) HODOR!

    hahahaha. Also she should be a person of color, too many damn white people!!

  196. Jordan
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    Thanks for the info. NSFW warning for that link though I think. Dare I say she will be joining the ranks of prostitutes on the show?

    Also, good point above that if Joffrey’s wedding is in episode 2, that wouldn’t allow time for things like ordering Symon’s murder or other stuff that shows a darker Tyrion.

    With that in mind and thinking about pacing issues generally, maybe what is in episode 2 is some kind of welcome for the Dornish/pre-Wedding party and the wedding itself is in episode 3 or 4? I’d like that anyway.

  197. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    mariamb:
    Here is another actress filming a role in GOT:

    https://twitter.com/Jessica_JensenX

    Twitter: Jessica Jensen ‏@Jessica_JensenX
    “So excited to be filming for Game Of Thrones on Monday :D”

    Clearly taking an interesting direction with Strong Belwas there.

  198. Loki
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    mariamb, is she a porn actress or something?

  199. mariamb
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Loki:
    mariamb, is she a porn actress or something?

    I have no idea who she is. Her tweet showed up in my feed.

  200. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: Clearly taking an interesting direction with Strong Belwas there.

    *rolling on the floor*…thx for that!…although my co-workers are somewhat concerned. I’ll be getting a slap on the wrist by HR for clicking on the link.

    Naive or not, it seems that mariamb is now a female propagator of NSFW porn on WiC, a truly rare class of folk. More astute self-mitigation might be in order. Ah, Twitter and blind forwarding…such a wonderful invention!

  201. Bard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:

    Naive or not, it seems that mariamb is now a female propagator of NSFW porn on WiC, a truly rare class of folk. More astute self-mitigation might be in order. Ah, Twitter and blind forwarding…such a wonderful invention!

    So the long and noble tradition of casting (former) porn stars as prostitutes on GOT continues (although Littlefinger has left his brothel and Tyrion goes to jail).

    Long live sexposition!

  202. Cary Storm
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    mariamb:
    Here is another actress filming a role in GOT:

    https://twitter.com/Jessica_JensenX

    Twitter: Jessica Jensen ‏@Jessica_JensenX
    “So excited to be filming for Game Of Thrones on Monday :D”

    She can be none other than fake Arya

  203. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Bard: So the long and noble tradition of casting (former) porn stars as prostitutes on GOT continues (although Littlefinger has left his brothel and Tyrion goes to jail).Long live sexposition!

    Has he? Methinks he is dilly-dallying in the Blackwater, manipulating and running things from nearby!

    …and yes….the tradition continues…

  204. Cary Storm
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Has he? Methinks he is dilly-dallying in the Blackwater, manipulating and running things from nearby!

    …and yes….the tradition continues…

    I would point out that we have had news about a brothel in Mole Town. May not this possibly be the case here?

  205. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm: I would point out that we have had news about a brothel in Mole’s Town. May not this possibly be the case here?

    Oh, of course (whores are everywhere, you know)….and they’ve even hired the madam for this underground shanty for oathbreaking NWmen! It shall burn, I tell you! Burn!

  206. boze
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    Was there any “sexposition” in S3?

  207. tysnow
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I wouldn’t consider enjoying feminine companionship “oath-breaking” for NW brothers, as long as they don’t father children or officially take wives.

  208. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    tysnow: Hodor’s Bastard, I wouldn’t consider enjoying feminine companionship “oath-breaking” for NW brothers, as long as they don’t father children or officially take wives.

    Yeah…I agree…LC Mormont lectures aside…the NW definitely aren’t monks or Catholic priests.

  209. GeekFurious
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Myk Lonmouth: hahahaha.Also she should be a person of color, too many damn white people!!

    Damn. I missed that one. You win.

  210. Cosca
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    There were a few sex scenes, but I don’t remember exposition during them.

  211. boze
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Cosca,

    Exactly. I think that some people don’t really get the definition of “sexposition”.

  212. Bard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, you’re probably right about season 3 (Littlefinger was mostly absent). So it’s about time to bring this exciting element of storytelling back for season 4. ;)

  213. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Bard: Yeah, you’re probably right about season 3 (Littlefinger was mostly absent). So it’s about time to bring this exciting element of storytelling back for season 4. ;)

    What…Tyrion’s elaborate description of the 3 whores for Pleasure-God Pod, including the Meereenese knot inside joke, wasn’t enough sexposition for you?

  214. boze
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah.. you don’t get what sexposition means..

    See Viserys and Doreah in the bath in S1, or Littlefinger’s backstory in S1, or Theon giving us some information about the Ironborn while fucking the daughter’s captain in S2.. THAT is sexposition.

    Tyrion and the 3 whores in S3? Not really. Call it gratuitous nudity if you want, but that isn’t sexposition.

  215. kurozukin
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Val is a strong woman who influences Stannis and Jon naturally…Mel’s control/influence is forced.

    What are you basing this on? In what way is Mel’s influence “forced”? Certainly Jon respects Val enough to send her as a liason, but I haven’t seen any evidence that Stannis thinks of her as anything more than a bargaining chip. Does he even talk to her? In terms of influence over Stannis, Davos has way more than Val, and yet Mel doesn’t seem to be jealous of Davos. Far from it.

    May I humbly suggest that it’s quite possible for “strong women” to exist in the same area without being jealous of each other?

    Also, in GoT…we have obvious instances where Mel is impressed/envious of Thoros and Davos and others in Stannis’s inner circle. Why wouldn’t she be envious/jealous of Val in the show?

    Again, I have not seen these instances of Mel being envious of Davos on the show. Her reaction to Thoros could be argued, I guess…

  216. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    mariamb: I have no idea who she is. Her tweet showed up in my feed.

    I found her this morning and retweeted her. That’s why she was in your feed. Uh enjoy the porn. lol.

    Found a couple other adult actresses who have been cast as well. I’ll put together a post soon.

  217. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    boze: Hodor’s Bastard, Yeah.. you don’t get what sexposition means..See Viserys and Doreah in the bath in S1, or Littlefinger’s backstory in S1, or Theon giving us some information about the Ironborn while fucking the daughter’s captain in S2.. THAT is sexposition.Tyrion and the 3 whores in S3? Not really. Call it gratuitous nudity if you want, but that isn’t sexposition.

    Sure…you got me there…it’s cool to see that GoT is adding to the English vernacular.

  218. danny targ
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    valar femme stripunis.. all women must strip

  219. Clob
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    It is Friday today, isn’t it? I’ve been waiting all day for the next WiC Awards post. Work is hard to do on Friday afternoons and I needed it to pass the time. :(

  220. Jordan
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    That sounds like a mildly embarrassing article to write/read.

    Moletown and its brothel does play a fairly important part in the book, and I’d expect Oberyn to make at least one brothel visit (probably accompanied by Ellaria and possibly including at least one male prostitute), so that would justify at least some of those castings.

  221. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    kurozukin: What are you basing this on? In what way is Mel’s influence “forced”? Certainly Jon respects Val enough to send her as a liason, but I haven’t seen any evidence that Stannis thinks of her as anything more than a bargaining chip. Does he even talk to her? In terms of influence over Stannis, Davos has way more than Val, and yet Mel doesn’t seem to be jealous of Davos. Far from it.May I humbly suggest that it’s quite possible for “strong women” to exist in the same area without being jealous of each other?Again, I have not seen these instances of Mel being envious of Davos on the show. Her reaction to Thoros could be argued, I guess…

    Mel isn’t jealous of Davos? Are you kidding? She (and Stannis) know he is the voice of experience and reason and his advice is often at odds with her “plans”…and he is often right. Her only influence over Stannis is her ability to convince him that she can give him the “easy path to victory” with magic and shit….which he continues to struggle with and doubt.

    I’m not saying that this has ever been expressed directly or obviously (I calls them as I sees them – to each their own) but Val is a potential player that Stannis can use to play the game without magic (or Mel). That is how Mel could be jealous of her. I think it could be fairly interesting to witness this tug of war between them….possibly with severe results. By the end of ADwD, Val and the Thenn are a force to be reckoned with.

    Finally, your “strong women” comment is not appreciated and seems to be intended to evoke a certain reaction. There was never any intention to make a sexist comment…and if it rubbed you the wrong way, then I take it back….it’s not necessary.

  222. Turncloak
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: All of which amounts to nothing.

    True. Also D&D have stated that there is a person dieing soon next season and a young girl that doesn’t want to die. That can refer to Ygritte. Hope so since that is a big part of Jon’s arc and anything but would seem like D&D are playing favorites.

  223. GeekFurious
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:26 pm | Permalink

    More porn, please. Thank you.

  224. Jentario
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I was actually happy with the lack of pointless porn in season 3. Hopefully 4 doesn’t return to the GoT standard.

  225. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 6:52 pm | Permalink

    Jordan: That sounds like a mildly embarrassing article to write/read.

    well, it depends on how much nudity ends up in the finished scenes that the actresses supposedly filmed but uh yeah. I don’t mind sex scenes but there’s a lot of adult actresses signing-ons, not to mention Pixie LeKnot (she of the Meereenese Knot) is back again this season and was filming again in Dubrovnik. (Actually Dean-Charles Chapman just started following her on Twitter. I assume he must’ve met her and he’s at PW as expected. )

  226. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    GeekFurious,

    I was actually happy with the lack of pointless porn in season 3. Hopefully 4 doesn’t return to the GoT standard.

    I didn’t really notice any difference in the pointless porn level between seasons. They tried to integrate it more into the storyline, but Pod the Sexgod or Theon’s seduction or whatever still felt pretty pointless to me.
    But I guess those scenes won’t go away, so we can start to speculate who will get to visit the Mole’s Town brothel ;)

  227. Jentario
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned,

    The difference is that season 2 had a brothel scene where you see a guy looking through a keyhole and seeing a second guy and a whore having sex, then it zooms out to show you the guy is getting a blow job from another whore and then it zooms out again to show Littlefinger watching them from yet another keyhole. Then this guy comes up to him complaining about Ros crying during sex and Littlefinger goes to a third whore, cleans a “white liquid” from the side of her mouth and shows her to the complaining guy- they then kiss, which is disgusting considering the girl had only just had “white liquid” in her mouth. And the scene actually begins when Littlefinger starts talking to Ros.

    Just thinking about that scene makes me shiver.

  228. LordStarkington
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    TurncloakHope so since that is a big part of Jon’s arc and anything but would seem like D&D are playing favorites.

    How are D&D playing favorites? Your entire complaint/”worry” is based on conflating multiple statements and turning them into an overarching theory.

  229. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,
    Great. That’s exactly what the show need; more prostitutes and sex scenes that don’t actually contribute to anything.

    They had a perfect opportunity with this season to go beyond the books and show Rickon’s journey, so if they waste screentime on prostitutes instead of that I will be rather pissed off.

  230. DaenyB
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 8:43 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    Ruth Negga is actually an excellent suggestion and she can certainly pass for a teenager. Not sure if she’d have the exact look I had in my head for a sand snake but having said that she’s gorgeous enough to ft any good looking role in GOT!

  231. sunspear
    Posted September 13, 2013 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    After 391083029 “Who’s Rickon?” posts, I feel justified in saying Ros is more relevant to the plot than Rickon is.

  232. boze
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Time spent on prostitutes in S3: Bronn’s first scene (01:00), Pod in Littlefinger’s brothel (02:00), and I’ll even give you the whole Theon’s scene with the two girls (04:00)… For a total of 6 minutes.. out of more than 500 minutes.

    In other words, 1.2% of the scenes from S3 had naked prostitutes in them.. Don’t you think you’re overreacting a bit here?

  233. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    sunspear,
    That’s exactly why we need to see more Rickon.

    boze,
    A little bit, yes. I just really want to see more Rickon :P

  234. kurozukin
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Mel isn’t jealous of Davos? Are you kidding? She (and Stannis) know he is the voice of experience and reason and his advice is often at odds with her “plans”…and he is often right.

    You offer a lot of reasons why you think Mel ought to be jealous of Davos, rather than any evidence that she actually is jealous of Davos. If she was jealous of his influence over Stannis, then why, in the books, did she recommend Stannis make Davos his hand instead of die-hard R’hllor devotee Axell Florent? Why, in the show, did she tell Stannis “you need him” instead of letting him get carted off and executed, even after he had foiled her plans? I still can’t think of a single thing she actually did or said about Davos that seemed to be motivated by jealousy.

    I’m not saying that this has ever been expressed directly or obviously (I calls them as I sees them – to each their own) but Val is a potential player that Stannis can use to play the game without magic (or Mel). That is how Mel could be jealous of her.

    Much the same could be said of Jon Snow, Mance Rayder, and a number of other characters. Are you suggesting that Mel would be jealous of all of them?

    Finally, your “strong women” comment is not appreciated and seems to be intended to evoke a certain reaction. There was never any intention to make a sexist comment…and if it rubbed you the wrong way, then I take it back….it’s not necessary.

    I just wasn’t sure why Mel “needs someone to be jealous of” when she’s never shown signs of a jealous nature and why, of all characters, Val should be the object of this hypothetical jealousy. May I also humbly suggest that it’s possible for there to be interesting conflict between two characters based on difference of ideas, backgrounds, goals, etc. without it being the result of jealousy?

  235. H. Stark
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:43 am | Permalink
  236. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,
    That means we may get some casting news from Daenerys’ storyline soon :D.

    I’m still hoping to see Brown Ben Plumm and Hizdahr zo Loraq in season 4 in their storyline. I’m also still waiting on Euron and Aeron Greyjoy (and possibly Victarion, but he might get pushed back to season 5). Also, possibly Coldhands and Tristifer Botley.

  237. Dougie
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Eh, Her kid is important to the story though. Well kind of important to it. Sorry I don’t know how to black spoiler stuff out. If I had decided I wanted to go into more detail I just wouldn’t have said anything heh.

  238. Dougie
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Isn’t Tristifer part of Asha’s story? If he’s the person I’m thinking of, do you really think they will put him in? I don’t, but I hope they do!

  239. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    Dougie,
    Yes, he’s Asha’s friend that is in love with her, but she doesn’t feel the same way about. If he is introduced, I think he will be combined with Qarl (her boyfriend). Either way, I think that they will introduce someone around YarAsha just so that she has someone to interact with while she is away from the Iron Islands.

  240. Jentario
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 7:22 am | Permalink

    Ser Tofu,

    So many plotlines are wildcards next season… Arya, Dany, Bran, Theon/Ramsay, YarAsha and Jaime/Brienne all have two or three chapters left max (and some even have zero) in ASOS. I wonder how much this season will stray from the books…

  241. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    kurozukin,
    Wow…I have indeed awoken the “concrete elephant”! How is your “mini-zine” coming along (per your tumblr CV)? Are you calling it the “noodle incident”? If you are getting your masters at NYU, good luck. I’ve possibly seen you about. :-)

    Back to the topic at hand: Perhaps my sloppy use of the word “jealous” is incorrect…but there is envy written all over Mel (imho). From her slaver roots to her mysterious arrival in KL/Dragonstone to join the inner circle of Stannis. She may have convinced herself that he is “Azor Ahai” reborn (how?) but she is driven by the pursuit of power and all those that distract her intentions with Stannis are suspect. As I said before, she wants to influence Stannis through supernatural R’hlorr magic and is often taken aback by authentic experience and wisdom. Davos has Stannis’s ear and she dislikes it…but will use it to her advantage if possible (like his recommendation to go North).

    (How do you disagree with that?)

    Davos isn’t coming with them to the wall due to his “mission”, so she’s not directly worried about his influence in ADwD. Btw, she never recommended the Florents for the hand position because they are idiots.

    (Furthermore, don’t you think Mel would burn Shireen as a sacrifice if it wasn’t for the Davos effect? How about Edric/Gendry?)

    At Castle Black, Stannis’s world is opening up and he has many more real-world influences (including Jon, Mance and the mysterious Val)…mundane politics and army-building and war strategy are coming into focus… so far the extent of Mel’s magic powers in the North has been to burn the warged Orell eagle. Yee-haw! In ADwD, she is still trying to find interesting folk to sacrifice in order to assert herself again, which is sort of humorous. THEN, we have her POV….and that changes things (imho)…she is truly questioning her belief system and her abilities (possibly because of her naivite or possibly because without Stannis she is nothing). GRRM has thrown us a bone here. Mel is becoming more interesting and complex and insecure as time passes and events beyond her control happen.

    And just to get a Val comment in (because I am so partial), I believe Val has knowledge and savvy and connections that Mel could only hope for. Like Davos, she may reluctantly use Val to her benefit her mischievous cause or try to destroy her. If Val does indeed allow Jon “inside”, then Mel might go all “Cersei” on her. ;-)

    That being said, I/we don’t know shit because TWoW hasn’t been published. So, since this is a speculative site and not 60 minutes, I will pontificate profusely….and try to follow and respect the thought process of millions of other pontificators, spoilers, agitators and speculators.

    May I also humbly suggest that it’s possible for there to be interesting conflict between two characters based on difference of ideas, backgrounds, goals, etc. without it being the result of jealousy?

    Absolutely…but many a famous author (Shakespeare, Tolkien, Irving) often use the jealousy technique as a major plot device….just saying. Personally, I prefer your approach…that requires a lot more thought.

    Btw, do you do that anime art on your site or are you just capturing and forwarding….?

  242. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:

    In a totally unrelated thing, did you see the 1,6M people, 400km long human chain we did 3 days ago here in Barcelona/Catalonia?? Won’t put any links to not be accused of spam but you can easily google it ;)

  243. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: Hodor’s Bastard: In a totally unrelated thing, did you see the 1,6M people, 400km long human chain we did 3 days ago here in Barcelona/Catalonia?? Won’t put any links to not be accused of spam but you can easily google it ;)

    Impressionant! Viva Barca! Viva Catalonia!

    It gets me excited to do another Camino de Santiago walk, except I’ll spend more time in the northeast enjoying the beautiful mountains and smallfolk around Setcases and Camprodon.

    Gracias, Pau!

  244. Pau Soriano
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Impressionant! Viva Barca! Viva Catalonia!

    It gets me excited to do another Camino de Santiago walk, except I’ll spend more time in the northeast enjoying the beautiful mountains and smallfolk around Setcases and Camprodon.

    Thx, Pau!

    You’re welcome! Wow Setcases and Camprodon, lol, nice places ;)

    You could go eastwards from there, to Aigüestortes National Park, and then forward to Vielha, in the Val d’Aran, both incredible places…actually all the Pyrenees are amazing.

    And if you do come drop me a line and I’ll show you around Barcelona! :-D

  245. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    Pau Soriano: You’re welcome! Wow Setcases and Camprodon, lol, nice places ;)You could go eastwards from there, to Aigüestortes National Park, and then forward to Vielha, in the Val d’Aran, both incredible places…actually all the Pyrenees are amazing.And if you do come drop me a line and I’ll show you around Barcelona! :-D

    Com es proposa el lliurament de la seva informació de contacte? Pot ser difícil! Privacitat.

    :-)

    On a related “secessionist” note….have you been following the events in northern Colorado, USA? According to some relatives, they have quite a secessionist movement going on there (albeit for vastly different reasons than Catalonia). And now…suddenly the skies have opened and all hell is breaking loose. A years worth of rain in two days. The almighty R’hlorr has spoken and is making his opinion known about their conservative secessionist agenda!

    Or is it simply coincidence? In any case, be careful what you wish for!!! :-)

  246. Bard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes I think a forum on WiC would be a nice thing to have. It’s basically a news site, but thanks to the comment section we have an established community here. And there could be an OT forum for discussions about…erm…Catalonia’s independence for example. ;)

    Just a thought.

  247. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Bard: Sometimes I think a forum on WiC would be a nice thing to have. It’s basically a news site, but thanks to the comment section we have an established community here. And there could be an OT forum for discussions about…erm…Catalonia’s independence for example. ;)Just a thought.

    Completely agree. ’tis an amazingly diverse community, isn’t it? Just look at the covered topics on this one isolated thread alone. Multi-ethnic, multi-sex, multi-creed, multi-class, multi-opinionated….and Rygar! What’s not to like? How does one mitigate and manage an international fanbase as diverse as ASoI&F? Westeros tries…but…

  248. Loki
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Pau Soriano, well great. looks like my tabletob globe is going to be outdated again.
    why do separatists have to be like this?

  249. Bard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Completely agree. ’tis an amazingly diverse community, isn’t it?

    It definitely is (I’m German, btw). And I prefer this site over westeros.org any day.

  250. Kris
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Except Mel has shown no sign of being jealous of Davos. Nor has she shown any sign of questioning her belief systems in her own POV. If anything, Davos seems jealous of Mel (if we want to go that route) given he refers to Stannis as “his king.” Plus you know…the attempted murder of her.

  251. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Kris: Hodor’s Bastard, Except Mel has shown no sign of being jealous of Davos. Nor has she shown any sign of questioning her belief systems in her own POV. If anything, Davos seems jealous of Mel (if we want to go that route) given he refers to Stannis as “his king.” Plus you know…the attempted murder of her.

    Once again…for me it’s hard to express “Mel’s questioning…” in her POV in this forum. It’s just the impression I get that she needs to change tactics because she’s lost “sight” of Azor Ahai when she is in the North. She sees only Jon…and the Bloodraven…and she redirects herself accordingly…and hopefully helps Jon in his time of dire need (aka… being stabbed repeatedly). We’ll see in TWoW.

    Personally, I think the Bloodraven is going to fuck her over….harshly…possibly via Coldhands…if she ever ventures beyond the Wall.

  252. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    Sorry I had to link this video because it is awesome.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evWmYfOq2ag

    And yes World of Warcraft feral druid catform is overpowered.. Lol

  253. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic…

    Another classic WoW video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noryfA4xmg8

    You may ask, what does WoW have to do with GoT.

    Let it be known that a HUGE majority of WoW players watch and love GoT. In fact, when GoT is in season, the trade chats are filled with people arguing about stuff in GoT and talking about it.

    Also, when GoT season comes, hardly any guilds raid on Sunday nights because everyone wants to watch GoT.

  254. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    Another classic…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptDtDeyh6uw

  255. Jentario
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    You love WoW don’t you? I myself am more interested in TWoW.

  256. Rygar
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    I am more interested in WOW.

    Whip Out your titties on Wednesdays.

  257. Jentario
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Isn’t that WoyToW?

  258. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    This Ember Isolite person has such a beautiful voice, I love her WoW videos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrbsd1oPfdQ

  259. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Been playing WoW for 6 years, before that I played Ultima Online and before that I played AD&D and was sometimes the dungeon master. (We took turns every 3-4 months).

    I always been a fantasy geek. And if you play WoW you know from trade chat and vent that Game of Thrones is loved by the whole WoW community.

  260. Jentario
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I just got Skyrim and can’t put it down. There’s too much to be done!

  261. WildSeed
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Kris:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Except Mel has shown no sign of being jealous of Davos. Nor has she shown any sign of questioning her belief systems in her own POV.If anything, Davos seems jealous of Mel (if we want to go that route) given he refers to Stannis as “his king.”Plus you know…the attempted murder of her.

    I see your point, however it’s biased with one direction only. Consider that ser Davos
    may be ,in effect ,protective of lord Stannis. He is loyal to the point where he would
    follow him anywhere, and holds allegiance. With a guy, it’s more than just chain
    of command, it’s trust and loyalty to Duty. It actually supersedes any emotional
    bridge, as it commonly becomes between opposite genders.

    There’s no doubt that Benioff & Weiss recognises the resentment between Melisandre
    and Davos, it played out to the hilt, onscreen. I’m rather sick of it. Whatever the
    exact reasoning behind their Rivalry, both are Envious of the manner of Stannis’s
    attention ( to what each presents to him ).

    At some point, in the books, Mel takes on some sort of blind ambition, whether
    devotion to Azhor Ahai or Stannis, and loses perspective of what’s really happening
    in Stannis’s wake. She flounders both book and onscreen, to make sense of it. I’ve
    never been much interested in her character until Stannis drives towards
    Eastwatch, at Davos’s urging. From there, GRRM revises Mel’s perception of
    things. She senses other forces about, experiences doubts or questions her own
    resolve to Rh’llor. For once, I actually empathized her. Soon she was quick to
    follow spiritual insights.

    Davos Seaworth not only believes Stannis as true succession to the throne, following
    king Robert Baratheon, but fiercely loyal as well, as a man meted out balanced
    justice from admirable man. Stannis may be tripping ( in his mind ) and physical
    changes taking place, but Davos presses forward to serve him, as any second in
    command would for his leader. That he mistrusts Mel, is tantamount to his
    commitment to keep his leader focused on the prize. It doesn’t help that Melisandre
    is a seductress and vengeful religious fanatic. This aids in exacerbating the
    two’s rivalry. Both have their loyalty and strengths, and selective reasoning
    for considering each a threat to Stannis. Removing that threat would be justified,
    to each. Well, that’s my perspective .

  262. Arthur
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 4:25 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Skyrim is awesome!

    But I like MMORPGs.

    There is so much cool Warcraft lore that is so close to GoT lore.

    This song for instance, is about Sylvanas Windrunner’s (Queen of the Blood Elfs) death. The Undead (same kind of winter-like undead from GoT) Break through her fortress and kill all her people and her. She then becomes undead (Forsaken) but more like coldhands. Her will is strong enough for her to maintain control of herself, so she becomes like Lady Stoneheart.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuInLSzY8rs

  263. Atreyu
    Posted September 14, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Jentario:
    Arthur,

    You love WoW don’t you? I myself am more interested in TWoW.

    I myself am more interested in Felicia Day’s “Date My Avatar” video than a WOW version. Arthur, get out of the house, man.

  264. Jentario
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 3:44 am | Permalink

    Atreyu,
    TWoW = The Winds of Winter, for those of you that didn’t understand… Atreyu

  265. Hounded
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:51 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    TWOW > WOW

  266. H. Stark
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    They are shooting in Trsteno today :)

    https://twitter.com/MsDeLvx/status/379191788386652160

  267. Pau
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Com es proposa el lliurament de la seva informació de contacte? Pot ser difícil! Privacitat.

    :-)

    On a related “secessionist” note….have you been following the events in northern Colorado, USA? According to some relatives, they have quite a secessionist movement going on there (albeit for vastly different reasons than Catalonia). And now…suddenly the skies have opened and all hell is breaking loose. A years worth of rain in two days. The almighty R’hlorr has spoken and is making his opinion known about their conservative secessionist agenda!

    Or is it simply coincidence? In any case, be careful what you wish for!!!:-)

    Just add me on facebook ;)

  268. Arthur
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Lol… Not all female characters are played by females…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXutSpmu-8

  269. Roekest
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    All this speculation that she’s Val or Dalla is wrong!

    She’s obviously Coldhands.

    Duh….

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