Lady Waynwood cast
By Ours is the Fury on in Casting.

Paola DionisottiMore news from the Vale! According to her CV, Paola Dionisotti has joined the cast of Game of Thrones as Lady Anya Waynwood for the show’s fourth season.

The actress is best known for her work with the Royal Shakespeare Company, most recently in productions of King John and Richard III. On British television, Dionisotti played recurring roles on Harbour Lights and Forever Green, and guest-starred on programs such as Doctors, Midsomer Murders, and Poirot.

Lady Waynwood (spelled Waywood on the CV, likely a mistake) is the head of her house, and sworn to House Arryn of the Vale, much like Bronze Yohn Royce whose casting was revealed last week. Similar to Royce, she was not present in A Storm of Swords, but it appears that the lords and ladies of the Vale are making their collective presence known early.

Gabrielle DempseyIn other casting news, Gabrielle Dempsey will be playing the part of an Innkeeper’s Daughter in the first episode of season four, according to her CV. A 2010 graduate of the Central School of Speech and Drama, this will be Dempsey’s first television role.

There are a few inns in the book that forms the basis of season four, and so it’s not clear which innkeeper’s daughter Dempsey might be playing. The most notable inn is visited by Arya and the Hound but the first episode of the season seems far too early.

Ours is the Fury: I can think of a few reasons to introduce House Waynwood earlier along with Royce, so this is more good news. Dionisotti is a  great actress, so I think she’ll be a wonderful Lady Waynwood.


290 Comments

  1. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    Love it. It’s great to introduce a lot of these AFFC-ADWD characters in Season 4, smart move on the showrunners’ part. It sets up future storylines and also gives extra time and space for all the new Martells/Greyjoys/Riverboat people we are going to meet in Season 5

  2. Hodoreo
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    The Innkeepers daughter… I fear the worst that they’re adding the Gregor gang rape scene and nerds will start crying….

  3. Bard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m very sure that it will be the Innkeepers daughter who gets raped by Gregor and his men. Which also means that we’ll get an early re-introduction of the Mountain.

  4. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Good stuff!

    All these characters being brought forward a bit, and in particular characters from the Vale give me hope that they’re being cast because something big will be happening in tWoW regarding them. D&D know what happens after ADWD and hopefully they’re planning to end season 5/6 where ADWD should have instead of pushing back the actual arc end points into tWoW.

    No idea about the Inn Keepers daughter if she’s only in ep1…maybe a catch up scene with the brotherhood?

  5. Mescalinic
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Bard:
    I’m very sure that it will be the Innkeepers daughter who gets raped by Gregor and his men. Which also means that we’ll get an early re-introduction for the Mountain.

    they feel they need to add some scene to show Gregor’s brutality AND some other scene to show Gregor’s absolute badassery. i agree with them.
    when the duel starts, is important that the audience immediatly understand that at the eyes of the court of King’s Landing, every man who is about to duel with Gregor is a dead man walking, and that to dare to fight him one must be crazy or incredibly badass :)

  6. Carne
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, episode 1 seems way too early for the Arya and Hound inn scene.

  7. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Since we’re getting quite a few characters for the Vale, I’m wondering if there’s any chance we’ll get Myranda Royce or Mya Stone. I always liked that Sansa had girls that were closer to her age to interact and they seem to like giving her female companions – i.e. her close relationship to Shae and the more honestly deep one to Margaery.

  8. Canary
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    I quite like her look – she fits my mental image of Lady Waynwood well – regal, sharp, almost aquiline features.

  9. franco
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Hodoreo,

    That’s what I thought too, they need to re-introduce the Mountain as a monster for TV viwers, specially now that he has been recast, also a sex AND violence scene is something HBO won’t cut

  10. Midori
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Wow, new actors joining the cast on a daily basis, lately! :-P I wonder how many more will be cast…we’re pretty much done, right? At this point it seems rather unlikely they woul cast the various Greyjoys, most likely some of them will be merged and will appear from season 5 on…who knows. Still wondering if we’re getting more dornish this season, tho…Doran especially. Anyway, the innkeeper’s daughter most likely is the poor girl who gets gang-raped by The Mountain and his men. Which will be horrifying to watch (I hope they don’t make it too graphic…), but a good way to reistablish Gregor as a frightening villain.

  11. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Since they are in the habit of casting new Vale characters, I want Lyn Fucking Corbray next!

  12. The Young Wolf
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Eeeek, not gonna enjoy watching that scene if we get it.

  13. The Flayed Man
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    If it turns out that she really is that innkeeper’s daughter, it’ll be quite the shocking introduction into television for her!

  14. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    franco: Hodoreo, That’s what I thought too, they need to re-introduce the Mountain as a monster for TV viwers, specially now that he has been recast, also a sex AND violence scene is something HBO won’t cut

    Oh, what I would give to see a Hound vs Mountain (brother v brother) duel! But alas, that ain’t happenin’. Maybe though, we’ll get some Arya revenge on some Mountain men (and a return of Needle) after the post-Mountain nastiness at the Inn. The adventures of Arya and the Hound continues!

  15. spacechampion
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    For a second I thought we were getting Lady Hornwood and her fingers. I always get her confused with Waynwood.

    So much for the claims of the cast contracting instead growing, D & D! Huzzah! I guess they realized if they did that there would be little plot left.

    The goings on in the Vale is far less important than the goings on with the Dornish or in the Iron Islands, so hopefully not much of those will get cut in the storylines.

  16. Colderhands
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Casting Lady Waynwood could possibly mean introducing Harry the heir and maybe giving him a larger role than in the books?

  17. Solkanar
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Oh, what I would give to see a Hound vs Mountain (brother v brother) duel! But alas, that ain’t happenin’. Maybe though, we’ll get some Arya revenge on some Mountain men (and a return of Needle) after the post-Mountain nastiness at the Inn. The adventures of Arya and the Hound continues!

    I think we will get that scene in Winds of Winter during Cersei’s trial.

  18. House Snow
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Midori:
    Wow, new actors joining the cast on a daily basis, lately! :-P I wonder how many more will be cast…we’re pretty much done, right? At this point it seems rather unlikely they woul cast the various Greyjoys, most likely some of them will be merged and will appear from season 5 on…who knows. Still wondering if we’re getting more dornish this season, tho…Doran especially. Anyway, the innkeeper’s daughter most likely is the poor girl who gets gang-raped by The Mountain and his men. Which will be horrifying to watch (I hope they don’t make it too graphic…), but a good way to reistablish Gregor as a frightening villain.

    Actually I suspect we are going to get some casting from Dany’s storyline too. I agree that they need to give Gregor a couple WTF scenes, since he barely been on screen and everything about him has been secondhand. Still I wouldn’t assume they are going it show a rape scene. It might be implied somehow.

  19. Hounded
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Cool news. Glad these characters are getting introduced sooner rather than later. I wonder if we’ll be getting Lyn Corbray?

  20. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Solkanar: I think we will get that scene in Winds of Winter during Cersei’s trial.

    One can only hope….perhaps Brienne could retrieve H and Stranger from the Quiet Isle?

  21. Dolorous Ned
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    spacechampion,

    spacechampion:
    For a second I thought we were getting Lady Hornwood and her fingers.I always get her confused with Waynwood.

    Well, I confused her with Lady Dustin for a moment. Too many characters…

    The Vale is shaping up nicely, I just hope we’ll get Lyn Corbray, whether now or in season 5.

    I agree the innkeep’s daughter must be that innkeep’s daughter. I just reread the Arya chapter where Chiswyck tells that story and I’m certain I don’t want to see it on screen. So for the Mountain’s characterisation it’s great if D&D include it.

  22. The Dragon Demands
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Dare we hope that they might cast Mya Stone?

    I mean, they got rid of Edric Storm perhaps because they wanted to increase the importance of Gendry as THE male heir bastard son…..but Mya was apparently not considered as important as Edric even though she was older than him, probably because she was a daughter. In which case, given that she wasn’t “competing” with Edric for importance even in the novels, why not include her? I mean, logically, Sansa has to have someone her own age to talk to.

  23. Arkash
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Actually, fleshing out the Vale this season isnt a bad thing.

    It is not too dense of a storyline yet and we already know Lysa and Robin there…

    Let’s wait for a little bit more stability to work the Martells and Greyjoy :

    - Dany settling up in Meereen, fix cast and location (season 5).
    – No real new characters in KL (season 5).
    – Dynamics at the Wall well-established (season 5).
    – Arya’s fix cast and loc in Braavos (season 5).
    – Northern activities well laid (season 5).

    When all those come to a stability, it will be easier to inject Dorne and the Iron Islands more massively… so season 5 !

    >

    I mean, logically, Sansa has to have someone her own age to talk to.

    I agree ! Casting Mya Stone may prove necessary for Sansa’s characterisation.

  24. Auren
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    (Omg! Omg! Give me Lyn Corbray and I could die happy. Sansa’s arc is my favorite in the whole series)

    I think this confirms that the AFFC’s lords declarant plot will be placed in this season (and this make think about what they will create for Sansa in season 5 because they finish this season her whole known arc in the books).
    Probably we will get the “Only cat” scene sooner than we expected (maybe in episode 6 or 7 (the previous episodes may have to cover her escape with LF, her arrival at the Vale and the marriage between LF and Lysa. And as all we know, they need cliffhangers to each episode’s end, it would be much heavy if they moved “Only cat” to episode 10 (with all the others cliffhangers and WTF moments).
    I like this, if they didn’t this move the whole Sansa’s arc would be too dragged and boring.

  25. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Wild speculation: maybe Octavia Alexandru, the little girl who was cast a few weeks ago, isn’t Leaf or the Waif (it’s too early for either, I think, but a de-aged Mya. This would lead to Sansa interacting with a girl who is closer to Arya’s age, which in turn could be a way to explore their relationship that is otherwise impossible, since they can’t exactly have Sansa do a voiceover.

  26. JamesL
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Considering this show constantly edits out the sexual violence from the books do you people really think they would show a graphic gang rape? They may have a Gregor rape scene to show what a monster he is but it will most likely be implied and not very graphic.

  27. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I agree. A fairly simple way to achieve that would be Arya and the Hound coming across people who became victims of the Mountain and/or Rorge and the rest. They could tell them what happened to them, given Arya a newfound reason to want to fight them.

    Or, you know, have Oberyn tell why he’s in King’s Landing. But there can be only one Innkeeper’s Daughter in all of Westeros, I’m sure, so why not just assume the worst?

  28. WildSeed
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    I recall that I admired lady Waynwood , from reading ; though really surprised her
    character is included on GoT cast list . *>*

  29. WildSeed
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Arkash:
    Actually, fleshing out the Vale this season isnt a bad thing.

    It is not too dense of a storyline yet and we already know Lysa and Robin there…

    Let’s wait for a little bit more stability to work the Martells and Greyjoy :

    - Dany settling up in Meereen, fix cast and location (season 5).
    – No real new characters in KL (season 5).
    – Dynamics at the Wall well-established (season 5).
    – Arya’s fix cast and loc in Braavos (season 5).
    – Northern activities well laid (season 5).

    When all those come to a stability, it will be easier to inject Dorne and the Iron Islands more massively… so season 5 !

    >

    I agree ! Casting Mya Stone may prove necessary for Sansa’s characterisation.

    ……All good points made.

  30. John-Michael
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    Cool news. Glad these characters are getting introduced sooner rather than later. I wonder if we’ll be getting Lyn Corbray?

    This! He’s one of my favourite minor characters.

  31. Hounded
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    John-Michael,

    … You know he’s a pedophile right? …

  32. Sean C.
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    JamesL,

    I agree. A fairly simple way to achieve that would be Arya and the Hound coming across people who became victims of the Mountain and/or Rorge and the rest. They could tell them what happened to them, given Arya a newfound reason to want to fight them.

    Or, you know, have Oberyn tell why he’s there. Butthere can be only one Innkeeper’s Daughter in all of Westeros, I’m sure, so why not just assume the worst?

    Showing is always better than telling. If we get an Innkeeper’s Daughter in the first episode, at a point where the Mountain needs to be built up as a threat, the most logical conclusion is that she’s the one from the Mountain’s story. We’re not likely to actually see it, of course, but the buildup and possibly aftermath seem perfectly within this show’s mode of operations.

    Auren:
    I think this confirms that the AFFC’s lords declarant plot will be placed in this season

    I don’t think it suggests anything of the sort. Rather, it suggests they’re laying the groundwork for that by introducing the key players.

  33. GeekFurious
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Hodoreo:
    The Innkeepers daughter… I fear the worst that they’re adding the Gregor gang rape scene and nerds will start crying….

    Just have them look at this during that sequence and they’ll be fine:

    http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr06/2013/9/13/12/enhanced-buzz-wide-11589-1379091204-29.jpg

  34. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: I don’t think it suggests anything of the sort. Rather, it suggests they’re laying the groundwork for that by introducing the key players.

    Yes, I think we’ll see the seeds of that plot sown, with possibly the eventual Lords Declarant players being present at Petyr and Lysa’s wedding.

    And Lady Waynwood is somewhat important in general being the guardian of Harry the Heir, Sansa’s future fiance.

  35. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Hounded: John-Michael, … You know he’s a pedophile right? …

    I’m not coming to Corbray’s defense in any way, but you do realize that the rumour you speak of came from LF, who is currently bribing Mr. Corbray. Other than being “dangerous”, there is no proof that LC is a molester, is there? I have trouble believing everything that LF states.

  36. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: Showing is always better than telling.If we get an Innkeeper’s Daughter in the first episode, at a point where the Mountain needs to be built up as a threat, the most logical conclusion is that she’s the one from the Mountain’s story.We’re not likely to actually see it, of course, but the buildup and possibly aftermath seem perfectly within this show’s mode of operations.

    Not saying she can’t be. It’s the overall insistence that she *must be* this character that makes me wonder if she’ll just be baking cookies for Arya.

  37. Valar Margaery
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    I really like the fact that they may be mixing Books 3, 4 and 5 in this season and possibly the next and beyond. This way, everyone can gets a little storyline.

    I was thinking that they are probably intruduce Lady Stoneheart ♥ on the beginning of the season, so that by the end, Brienne can meets with her and eventually (and maybe?) die.

  38. GeekFurious
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Valar Margaery:
    I really like the fact that they may be mixing Books 3, 4 and 5 in this season and possibly the next and beyond. This way, everyone can gets a little storyline.

    I was thinking that they are probably intruduce Lady Stoneheart ♥ on the beginning of the season, so that by the end, Brienne can meets with her and eventually (and maybe?) die.

    You only introduce that characters once in season 4. Not twice.

  39. House Snow
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Valar Margaery:
    I really like the fact that they may be mixing Books 3, 4 and 5 in this season and possibly the next and beyond. This way, everyone can gets a little storyline.

    I was thinking that they are probably intruduce Lady Stoneheart ♥ on the beginning of the season, so that by the end, Brienne can meets with her and eventually (and maybe?) die.

    I doubt it. Just B/c Brienne is going to hit the road looking for Sansa doesn’t meant they are going to fast forward to essentially the end of all her available material. I think she is more likely to end the season jut missing out on Arya and being in the general vincinity where the Hound “dies”. Same with the Vale castings.

  40. Hounded
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah I guess you’re right. And I do understand liking supposedly unlikable characters. Roose Bolton is one of my favorites.

  41. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:00 pm | Permalink

    I’m sorry, GRRM (weep, weep), but the great and majestic horses from the land of mountains, floods and snow have stampeded over your wimpy Giants. Ignore the gridiron…write like the wind!

  42. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Hounded: Hodor’s Bastard, Yeah I guess you’re right. And I do understand liking supposedly unlikable characters. Roose Bolton is one of my favorites.

    I really have no idea about LC….but I take everything I hear from the “king of the ashes” with a grain of salt! :-)

  43. Tar Kidho
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Shakespeareally (if that is even a word) trained actors and actresses rarely dissappoint, so I’m confident Paola Dionisotti will make a great addition to the team. She definitely has the air of nobility about her in that pic!

    And well, Gabrielle Dempsey… one of those occasions I slightly fall in love based on a picture alone ;-) It’s always exciting to discover new talent (and boy have we been spoiled so far on GOT!), so I hope that she will stick around for more than 1 episode and gets a chance to shine. Then again, that’s probably very naïve in GRRM-land…

  44. lol
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Folks here sure creaming themselves at the prospect of seeing a woman raped and brutalized on screen.

  45. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    no they r just saying the mountain needs some help reminding the view just how evil he is, worse than the hound.

  46. Carne
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    lol,

    No, they’re saying showing it would make the Mountain even more despicable than simply having a character talk about it.

  47. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    lol: Folks here sure creaming themselves at the prospect of seeing a woman raped and brutalized on screen.

    I think everyone agrees that it is quite a horrible scene. I wouldn’t say anyone is looking “forward” to it…but it is so written and not made up by the fanbase. It doesn’t need to be shown but it probably will be implied to emphasize the Mountain’s sociopathic behaviour. In any case, I am somewhat “numb” to this event when compared to the violent gutting/abortion that we witnessed during the Red Wedding. This show (and books) ain’t for the squeamish, imho.

  48. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I think they can establish Gregor’s awfulness without adding in a horrifying gang rape scene. And also, we’ve already pics of Thor filming that scene with him impaling what looks like a random poor person so I think that’s how they’ll amp up his evil reputation. Dempsey could be playing any Innkeeper’s daughter, someone in a new scene that we can’t predict. Or someone at the Inn with a moved-up altercation for the Hound and Arya.

  49. Sean C.
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury:
    I think they can establish Gregor’s awfulness without adding in a horrifying gang rape scene.

    They could also have established Joffrey’s awfulness without inventing a scene where he has two naked women beat each other with a spiked mace on pain of death, but they did that anyway.

    In this case they wouldn’t be “adding” something, they’d be showing something that we only heard about in the books (and, again, it’s rather unlikely that they would show the act itself).

  50. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: I think they can establish Gregor’s awfulness without adding in a horrifying gang rape scene. And also, we’ve already pics of Thor filming that scene with him impaling what looks like a random poor person so I think that’s how they’ll amp up his evil reputation. Dempsey could be playing any Innkeeper’s daughter, someone in a new scene that we can’t predict. Or someone at the Inn with a moved-up altercation for the Hound and Arya.

    Yeah, right….and they could have implied Pod’s prowess without showing 3 naked submissive women, one with her “Meereenese knot” genitals in our face…

    HBO…they always hold back….yeah, right.

    As we saw earlier….It’s not porn (or sado-masochism), it’s HBO!

  51. Dennai
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    The good thing of showing the innkeeper’s daughter scene, if she’s that innkeeper’s daughter, is not only a reminder (and for some less attentive viewers a clear statement) of how much of a monster Gregor Clegane is, but also the kind of scum his retainers are. That would make much sweater what transpires when Arya and the Houndmeet some of them later on.

  52. House Snow
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 8:59 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: They could also have established Joffrey’s awfulness without inventing a scene where he has two naked women beat each other with a spiked mace on pain of death, but they did that anyway.

    In this case they wouldn’t be “adding” something, they’d be showing something that we only heard about in the books (and, again, it’s rather unlikely that they would show the act itself).

    I disagree with both of you. I think people undersell how gratuitous the books are and in the cases of Joffery and theoretically the Mountain I think without those/these kinds of scenes that they wouldn’t seem as bad as their book counterparts.

  53. John-Michael
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Yeah I couldn’t even really give you a reason why I like him (Well actually I don’t, just one of the characters I enjoy reading about, kinda like Viserys). If I disliked everyone in the story that has a socially unacceptable vice (soft words for some pretty bad vices, I know, I know), I wouldn’t be left with many characters to enjoy.

  54. Lex
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Poor, poor Gabrielle Dempsey… :(

    Also, for a moment I mixed up Lady Waynwood with Lady Hornwood. Mmmm, fingers…

  55. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Uther Greenshirt: no they r just saying the mountain needs some help reminding the view just how evil he is, worse than the hound.

    As boze, Cosca, and bard educated me the other day regarding GoT’s unique use of “sexposition”, I have a feeling that we will see the Mountain raping the innkeep’s daughter while explaining to the rest of his deranged men how his family came to support the Lannisters and why he hates his brother so much. ;-)

  56. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Yeah, right….and they could have implied Pod’s prowess without showing 3 naked submissive women, one with her “Meereenese knot” genitals in our face…

    HBO…they always hold back….yeah, right.

    As we saw earlier….It’s not porn (or sado-masochism), it’s HBO!

    yes but there is a difference between a soft porn scene and a gang rape scene.

  57. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m very glad Waynwood was cast. For whatever reason she stands out. I think she might make trouble for LF later. Hopefully!

    Off topic, but may I just say holy shit! to Breaking Bad? At the risk of getting too spoilery I’ll just wonder if this is when people finally stop sympathizing with and liking Walter.

  58. Rygar
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Fuck Breaking Bad. Anyone see Jeffrey Wright just fucking kill it on Boardwalk? Whoo. And that’s a Ric fucking Flair whoo.

    Oh and who the fuck is she?

  59. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: yes but there is a difference between a soft porn scene and a gang rape scene.

    Understood. By the way, the Dothraki are sending out invitations for their next khal wedding. Did you get your invite yet?

  60. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:10 pm | Permalink

    Midori: Wow, new actors joining the cast on a daily basis, lately! :-P I wonder how many more will be cast…we’re pretty much done, right? At this point it seems rather unlikely they woul cast the various Greyjoys, most likely some of them will be merged and will appear from season 5 on…who knows.

    This gives me hope, actually, that we’ll see a full complement of Greyjoy uncles – tho probably none of the supporting characters (Tris Botley and Rodrik Harlaw seem like logical ones to eliminate). Same with Dorne – would bet on Arianne, Doran, and a couple Sand Snakes, maybe Areo Hotah, but I’m not worried about it much. I don’t imagine we’ll see the majority of those families until Season 5, but I think we’ll get ‘em.

    But if they’re taking the time to introduce the Lords Declarant now – earlier than expected, and not just one of them – it speaks well to playing the long game by D&D, and speaks well to how they’re going to try to pace the show, that they feel the need to get a better sense of the Vale given the events that take place later.

    I would imagine we’ll see Lyn Corbray cast as well; him, Royce and Waynwood would seem to be enough – the rest can more or less just be extras surrounding the others. These 3 will have distinct looks from one another, and that’ll be enough.

  61. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:12 pm | Permalink

    Arkash:
    Actually, fleshing out the Vale this season isnt a bad thing.

    It is not too dense of a storyline yet and we already know Lysa and Robin there…

    Let’s wait for a little bit more stability to work the Martells and Greyjoy :

    - Dany settling up in Meereen, fix cast and location (season 5).
    – No real new characters in KL (season 5).
    – Dynamics at the Wall well-established (season 5).
    – Arya’s fix cast and loc in Braavos (season 5).
    – Northern activities well laid (season 5).

    When all those come to a stability, it will be easier to inject Dorne and the Iron Islands more massively… so season 5 !

    >

    I agree ! Casting Mya Stone may prove necessary for Sansa’s characterisation.

    Well stated all of it. Agreed. Very few new characters to come about in KL, the Wall, or Essos in Season 5 – the three most important stories (along with Tyrion) for Season 5. Brienne and Jaime both tread territory we’ve seen before as well; the Vale is still the Vale, the North/Stannis still the same. So the major stories where we’ll need to see new people are the Dornish, the Greyjoys, and to a lesser extent, Arya and Davos. It’s doable, and easily done if we see more of the Vale and more of Brienne in Season 4.

  62. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    House Snow: I doubt it.Just B/c Brienne is going to hit the road looking for Sansa doesn’t meant they are going to fast forward to essentially the end of all her available material.I think she is more likely to end the season jut missing out on Arya and beingin the general vincinity where the Hound “dies”.Same with the Vale castings.

    Same here. To me, the logical stopping point for Brienne in Season 4 is the Quiet Isle, and the emotional conversation she has there.

  63. Yago
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Nah, still #TeamWalt. Pity for GoT though, gonna be though getting any awards next year :(

  64. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    ASOS was litteraly my favorite book (next to ADWD), but I’m more excited to see AFFC and ADWD on screen than ASOS. I think its because I can’t wait to see the books being merged together and see what D&D really have up their sleeve. The Vale is gonna be sick!!! I love reading about bannermen, but I can’t help wondering if Lady waynwood and Yohn Royce will even have a lot of lines. Remember Wendel Manderly who was cast for the Red Wedding but got absolutely no lines, not even an on screen death… :S

  65. House Snow
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Ragman’s Harbor:
    ASOS was litteraly my favorite book (next to ADWD), but I’m more excited to see AFFC and ADWD on screen than ASOS. I think its because I can’t wait to see the books being merged together and see what D&D really have up their sleeve. The Vale is gonna be sick!!! I love reading about bannermen, but I can’t help wondering if Lady waynwood and Yohn Royce will even have a lot of lines. Remember Wendel Manderly who was cast for the Red Wedding but got absolutely no lines, not even an on screen death… :S

    Yeah but the guy who was cast didn’t really have much in the way of acting credits. Royce and Weynwood are both being played by fairly established actors so I think they will be big minor roles say on the level of a yoren.

  66. Rygar
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Oh come on Fury. Even you must find the humor in my post without having to delete it…

  67. Eleanor
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    SO EXCITED for the Vale. She looks good!

  68. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Yago,

    Yeah, I’ll always like Walt, same way I liked Tony Soprano or how I like Jaime Lannister. I don’t see what the big deal was tonight. He didn’t come close to doing anything as bad as letting Jane choke to death or poisoning Brock.

  69. Jamb0
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 11:39 pm | Permalink

    Off-topic, but looks like GoT took home two of the creative Emmy’s tonight – visual effects and one for make-up.

  70. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 15, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Jamb0,

    I guess GOT and Boardwalk Empire are going to alternate years in winning the most CA Emmy’s. BE took home at least 4, haven’t checked to see if they won more.

  71. Ashley
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Im suprised no one said Pia. She could be like a different version of her.

  72. Dogmayor
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    We want Greyjoys!

  73. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Dogmayor,

    Greyjoy, Euron Greyjoy. The dullard and the Damphair would be okay too, but we need the Crow’s Eye.

  74. Ozymandias
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    Jamb0,
    2/12.
    What a disappointment.
    Wow.

  75. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    Umm…the technical Emmys are always announced a week before the actual telecast. The other Emmys will be awarded next Sunday.

  76. Sister Wrister
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I have a feeling, come winter, it will be your horses and their General who will be harrassed from the giant flying hawks to your west.
    Either way, GRRM should have plenty of time to write this autumn…. :D

  77. Ozymandias
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    They have no chance to win in the remaining four categories.
    Breaking Bad will win them all probably or House of Cards/Homeland.

  78. EMMY_hinka
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Emmy Creativ Awards are out. We got 2!

    WON:
    Outstanding Makeup For A Single-Camera Series (Non-Prosthetic)
    Outstanding Special Visual Effects

    LOST:
    Outstanding Guest Actress In A Drama Series – Carrie Preston (The Good Wife)
    Outstanding Art Direction For A Single-Camera Series – Boardwalk Empire
    Outstanding Casting For A Drama Series – House of Cards
    Outstanding Cinematography For A Single-camera Series – House of Cards
    Outstanding Costumes For A Series – The Borgias
    Outstanding Hairstyling For A Single-Camera Series – Boardwalk Empire
    Outstanding Interactive Program – Night Of Too Many Stars
    Outstanding Prosthetic Makeup For A Series, Miniseries, Movie Or A Special – Behind the Candelabra
    Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series – Breaking Bad
    Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series – Boardwalk Empire
    Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (One Hour)- Boardwalk Empire

  79. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    I give GOT a chance in the drama category and maybe the writing. But really, if ‘Homeland’ season 2 wins for outstanding drama, then the award is worthless.

  80. Ozymandias
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I Agree, wait and see.

  81. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    Yes, the difference being that one fits in with the setting while the other was just ridiculous and annoying. I’m not saying that I would like a gang rape scene (because I wouldn’t), but in Game of Thrones I would prefer it over the Pod scene 9 times out of 10. If this was True Blood, where the setting is meant to be absolutely ridiculous, I would prefer the Pod scene. But this is Game of Thrones, not True Blood.

  82. Hounded
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I know. Homeland season 2 was awful. And it still won loads of awards. Terrorism is trendy I guess. Meth and dragons aren’t I guess…

    Rygar,

    One does not simply ‘fuck’ breaking bad. Did you not see the latest episode!? It was insane!

  83. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    The fact that they gave costumes to the Borgias indicates they would rather award a soapy period piece than a fantasy series says a lot.

    The Emmys have it out for GoT. Next Sunday will prove it I’m afraid.

  84. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:36 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    I’m going to be really honest, it will be a crime if GoT wins best drama. Breaking Bad for all of the awards! If they do any justice to the books, season 4 should be GoT’s best chance at winning best drama (except for possibly the final season or 2)

  85. OldeCrone
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:12 am | Permalink

    The older actress has been on loads of things over the years on TV in the UK without being a household name, but she has a face that British people will probably know (the same could be said about a number of the minor cast members of Game of Thrones). I don’t know the younger actress by face or name but will wait and see what she does. As for changes in the adaptation process … as I’ve said before I only started reading the books recently so don’t know all the story yet. Thus far the only change that really jarred on me without having read the books was the Jeyne Westerling into Talisa. The story line was a bit cheesy – in medieval times the University of Salerno admitted female medical students so I won’t say it was absolutely impossible there would be a female doctor in those days but I doubt one would have cheeked a king the first time she met him!!! Obviously when I saw that story line on TV I didn’t know it was a change from the books because then I hadn’t touched even the earlier books. I was a bit surprised that Jaime killed his cousin too though I knew he was [in the second book/series] supposed to be a baddie, but the aborted escape was quite different in the book and he didn’t kill any cousin. I was without TV for a while after the switch to digital and “Breaking Bad” was on my list of series to watch but it’s only on paid-for TV in the UK. (I have used up my favours in watching paid-for TV at other folk’s houses by watching Game of Thrones – if I try to cadge the chance to watch another paid-for show I’ll probably wear out my welcome. I think the premise of “Breaking Bad” is a bit “iffy” but I’ve never seen it so I wanted to judge for myself).

  86. Darquemode
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I love and enjoy Game of Thrones, bu have to agree…
    Breaking Bad has been on top of its game in Season 5. Although maybe Season 5.2 might not qualify for this year’s Emmy Awards? Season 5.2 has been one brilliant episode after the next and some of the best TV I have ever seen.

    Greatly anticipating Season 4 of Game of Thrones though! Some of my favorite scenes will come in this upcoming season….

  87. Yago
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:36 am | Permalink

    Darquemode,

    Only 5.1 this year. 5.2 will be contending next year… :s

  88. Jacarb
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    A senseless and graphic rape scene is not going to happen on screen.

    This is beyond simple taste. This is about the producers being human beings who aren’t going to risk re-traumatizing real life rape victims. To be callous, this is about HBO avoiding a real drop in viewership, not to mention the media shitstorm that would rightly follow. If you–yes, you whose eyes are on these words right now–think anything we have seen sets a precedent for showing a narratively unnecessary and violent rape, just for the sake of proving how bad someone is, you need to reeducate your brain with a rock. (And even a narratively necessary rape would have to be treated with utter taste, and a thorough examination of the victim’s trauma. Which the Gregor scene would NOT provide.)

    I have beleaguered my point. And I will again and again if people still don’t get that this is about way more than a show.

    If this is the inn where Arya perforates Polliver, it would be easy to set it up in a scene or two within one episode. If Dempsey really is going to play Gregor’s victim, my bet is we’ll get as far as the “she is now” line before a cut-away, or the girl resisting and just being killed. Either way we get the message, loud and clear.

  89. Jacarb
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Separately, oh-so separately, I have mixed feelings about diving into the Vale plot.

    On one hand, I’m really excited about building out the world, and agree with everything that has been said about restructuring the plot to balance-out seasons.

    On the other, I am going to have to explain so much shit to my dad.

  90. Arkash
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:49 am | Permalink

    On the other, I am going to have to explain so much shit to my dad.

    Already gearing up myself for the explanations of WTF-of-the-Vale to my Unsullied friends ! ^^

    But most of them really understood who are the 9 great families, so they’ll easily understand the importance of the Vale and its plots !

  91. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Ours is the Fury,

    Yes, the difference being that one fits in with the setting while the other was just ridiculous and annoying. I’m not saying that I would like a gang rape scene (because I wouldn’t), but in Game of Thrones I would prefer it over the Pod scene 9 times out of 10. If this was True Blood, where the setting is meant to be absolutely ridiculous, I would prefer the Pod scene. But this is Game of Thrones, not True Blood.

    I have to disagree. Not saying that I found that scene particularly outstanding – although the contortionist was rather impressive – but to say that a bit of bawdy sexual comedy doesn’t have a place in this world is dismissing elements like Tormund Giantsbane, who is essentially one big penis joke. Tyrion paying prostitutes to let Pod have a nice first time is absolutely in character for him, and the resulting storyline was just a cute bit of fun that at the same time characterizes Pod as someone who is more than meets the eye. All in all, it required maybe one minute of screentime. I have no idea why it caused such an outrage, tbh, it’s not like Pod suddenly took over the show.

  92. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:10 am | Permalink

    I personally wouldn’t expect this innkeeper’s daughter to be the one raped by Gregor and his men. Shouldn’t we have an innkeeper cast as well, in that case? If she’s just cast by herself, she seems like a better candidate for a different character. Just my opinion, though.

  93. Chickenduck
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    The Blue GraceTyrion paying prostitutes to let Pod have a nice first time is absolutely in character for him.

    I agree with this. For me, it felt more in keeping with BookTyrion than a lot of other things ShowTyrion does. GRRM isn’t shy of a few dick jokes in the books either…

    And it was only a filler scene of a minutes or two in length… People arguing that removing that scene would have given enough time to squeeze in Belwas etc need to go back and rewatch with a stopwatch.

    But ultimately, it’s a question of personal taste… I understand why a lot of people didn’t like it, even though I didn’t share that feeling.

    Oh, and it means we get to make jokes about TriPod.

  94. Chickenduck
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Siobhán Mooney:
    I personally wouldn’t expect this innkeeper’s daughter to be the one raped by Gregor and his men.Shouldn’t we have an innkeeper cast as well, in that case?If she’s just cast by herself, she seems like a better candidate for a different character.Just my opinion, though.

    She wasn’t “announced”, it’s just that someone found her CV with the role already added to it. There’s every chance that they also have cast an innkeeper, but his agent hasn’t put it on his website, or it just hasn’t been found by the fans yet, or…

  95. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Add me to the club of people who got Waynwood momentarily confused with Hornwood. Are we getting the latter, I wonder?

    Oh, and holy shit, Dempsey seems gorgeous

  96. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:54 am | Permalink

    TheBerylfly,

    I doubt we’ll get Lady Hornwood – she’s largely an early indication that Ramsay is really awful, and that the Boltons are not beyond very underhanded methods. And the show has already proven both.

    She’s really beautiful, indeed.

  97. Veltigar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:55 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: I’m not coming to Corbray’s defense in any way, but you do realize that the rumour you speak of came from LF, who is currently bribing Mr. Corbray. Other than being “dangerous”, there is no proof that LC is a molester, is there? I have trouble believing everything that LF states.

    There is a reason why SweetRobin does not want to be alone with Ser Lynn. On top of that LF has no reason to lie to Sansa about Corbray. He isn’t exactly the type she would run to for protection so he does not have to alienate her from him or anything like that.
    Personally, I think that Ser Lynn being a pedophile is also an important plotpoint. I don’t know if you ever visit westeros.org but a few months back there was a lot of talk about Sansa’s storyline having something very controversial in it for a part of the audience. I think that a threat by LF to have SR turned over to Ser Lynn would be very controversial, since lot’s of people hadn’t really picked up on Ser Lynn being a pedophile.

  98. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    Veltigar: There is a reason why SweetRobin does not want to be alone with Ser Lynn. On top of that LF has no reason to lie to Sansa about Corbray. He isn’t exactly the type she would run to for protection so he does not have to alienate her from him or anything like that.Personally, I think that Ser Lynn being a pedophile is also an important plotpoint. I don’t know if you ever visit westeros.org but a few months back there was a lot of talk about Sansa’s storyline having something very controversial in it for a part of the audience. I think that a threat by LF to have SR turned over to Ser Lynn would be very controversial, since lot’s of people hadn’t really picked up on Ser Lynn being a pedophile.

    Yes…I did see that Westeros thread (and re-read it). Thx for the supplement. Poor Sweet Robin, he is such a damaged child. Yet another level of ASoI&F/GoT evil possibly lurks in the Vale.

  99. vlad
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:04 am | Permalink

    Oh, I don’t want to see that pretty girl get raped, I really don’t :(( Come on, they can explain the monster Gregor is through exposition, maybe by Sandor to Arya, by Oberyn to Tyrion, whatever.

    The introduction of Lady Waynwood is interesting, does that mean that a certain boy will have an important role to play in the future??? are Sansa and Harry really getting married?? That would really shock me :)

  100. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Jacarb: A senseless and graphic rape scene is not going to happen on screen.This is beyond simple taste. This is about the producers being human beings who aren’t going to risk re-traumatizing real life rape victims. To be callous, this is about HBO avoiding a real drop in viewership, not to mention the media shitstorm that would rightly follow. If you–yes, you whose eyes are on these words right now–think anything we have seen sets a precedent for showing a narratively unnecessary and violent rape, just for the sake of proving how bad someone is, you need to reeducate your brain with a rock. (And even a narratively necessary rape would have to be treated with utter taste, and a thorough examination of the victim’s trauma. Which the Gregor scene would NOT provide.)I have beleaguered my point. And I will again and again if people still don’t get that this is about way more than a show.If this is the inn where Arya perforates Polliver, it would be easy to set it up in a scene or two within one episode. If Dempsey really is going to play Gregor’s victim, my bet is we’ll get as far as the “she is now” line before a cut-away, or the girl resisting and just being killed. Either way we get the message, loud and clear.

    I’m going to dive in and risk your wrath with a response.

    A good screenwriter and director will probably tackle this subject with care, jarring the viewer yet not allowing the scene to devolve into smut. At this point, with 195 days yet to go before S4, ep1, we can only speculate how they are going to accentuate the Mountain’s sociopathic behaviour. We desperately want RV to eviscerate him, to remove his despicable soul from this planet.…uh…yeah, right.

    No need for rocks and the threat of self-flagellation during this speculation period. We had similar outbursts during the fake Arya – Ramsay discussion. ‘Tis a fucked-up world that we are discussing (which hopefully allows many of us to “virtually” redirect our very real pain from our daily existence on terra firma).

    You can read my (and many other fans’) previous posts in other threads regarding the vast amount of “rape” that occurs onscreen and off in ASoI&F and GoT. It’s somewhat jarring, some essential to plot and some gratuitous. It is clear and present, no one can deny that. Personally, I respected how they (screenwriters and directors) handled Sansa’s attempted rape by the KL smallfolk in S2 (before the Hound saved her). It was prudent and well-done (poor choice of words, sorry).

    I doubt anyone in the fanbase is “hoping” for anything truly vile to be demonstrated onscreen (even HBO execs have a conscience), but I have a feeling that boundaries will be tested with upcoming storylines in S4 and many characters (and viewers) will be left in a very different place than at the goofy end of S3. The RW was only the beginning….

    [To me….Dany’s “winning” moment at the end of S3 was the ultimate irony and unsettling untruth throughout GoT. There shall be blood, oh ye of little faith….]

  101. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    I imagine we’ll get the rape, but without the graphic nature of it, perhaps more suggested than anything else – Gregor manhandling her and taking her off-screen, followed by other members of his party. So it’ll be more than suggested, it’ll be underlined; perhaps with an after-moment of the girl traumatized. But more graphic than that, I find to be very unlikely.

  102. H. Stark
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink
  103. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 9:45 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I agree fully about BB. But the current season of BB does not qualify for this year’s Emmys. Therefore when season 4 of GoT arrives it still has to compete against Breaking Bad for probably the very season when GoT deserves to win.

  104. Bard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    A senseless and graphic rape scene is not going to happen on screen.

    This is beyond simple taste. This is about the producers being human beings who aren’t going to risk re-traumatizing real life rape victims. To be callous, this is about HBO avoiding a real drop in viewership, not to mention the media shitstorm that would rightly follow. If you–yes, you whose eyes are on these words right now–think anything we have seen sets a precedent for showing a narratively unnecessary and violent rape, just for the sake of proving how bad someone is, you need to reeducate your brain with a rock. (And even a narratively necessary rape would have to be treated with utter taste, and a thorough examination of the victim’s trauma. Which the Gregor scene would NOT provide.)

    I have beleaguered my point. And I will again and again if people still don’t get that this is about way more than a show.

    If this is the inn where Arya perforates Polliver, it would be easy to set it up in a scene or two within one episode. If Dempsey really is going to play Gregor’s victim, my bet is we’ll get as far as the “she is now” line before a cut-away, or the girl resisting and just being killed. Either way we get the message, loud and clear.

    Rape is among the vilest things human beings can do to each other and I agree that it needs to be handled with care on screen (it wouldn’t bee the first violent rape scene on TV though).

    However, I’m still convinced that Dempsey will be playing a rape victim. The inn Sandor and Arya are going to visit will show up much later in the season and not in the very first episode, because Sandor will get injured during the fight with Gregor’s men and both are going separate ways at the end of their story arc because of this. And (although you dismiss this) it think there is at least some narrative sense in re-introducing a character like Gregor early in the show and pointing out from the start that he’s much more than just an oversized brute, but a cruel, wretched and sadistic being that’s capable of anything (including the rape of a completely innocent young girl). I don’t know how graphic this scene is going to be, but I doubt that they are going to cut away before “it” happens or that he simply kills her. It’s a thin red line and they need to be very careful with this, but they won’t completely shy away from it.

  105. H. Stark
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink
  106. House Snow
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    ^ And Sansa’s body double (who looks a whole lot happier then Sansa)

  107. OldeCrone
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I don’t know where you are based but when I saw you mention “BB” I thought for a moment you meant “Big Brother” which is a reality show in the UK which I would re-name “Big Borer” and has the effect of making me reach for the remote control……I do apologise for that mistake. I guess it is something of an honour to be even nominated for an Emmy bearing in mind just how many TV shows exist.

  108. Tereeza777
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone:
    I was without TV for a while after the switch to digital and “Breaking Bad” was on my list of series to watch but it’s only on paid-for TV in the UK. (I have used up my favours in watching paid-for TV at other folk’s houses by watching Game of Thrones – if I try to cadge the chance to watch another paid-for show I’ll probably wear out my welcome.I think the premise of “Breaking Bad” is a bit “iffy” but I’ve never seen it so I wanted to judge for myself).

    OldeCrone,
    Do watch Breaking Bad if you get a chance someday. My b/f and I skipped it at first – no sexy “Jaqens” or “Jaimes” for me and no hottie handmaidens or translators (Doreah & Missandei) for him. When we first tuned in to BB, we saw an older guy running around the desert in his underwear and a younger guy, with weird eyes and eyebrows, staring up at the sky screaming about something. We thought “forget it”.

    It was because of this site and the great things people were always saying about BB, that we finally started watching it earlier this year. We “binge-watched” the first 4 seasons plus the first half of season 5. Once we understood what it was all about, and the powerful messages it was sending – we’d have to agree, it’s one of the best TV shows ever written and the performances are as perfect as the “crystal blue meth” that Jesse and Heisenberg used to cook. It’s brutal, funny, zany and heart-breakingly sad. We learned a little about chemistry and lung cancer and a whole lot about the choices one has to make when one’s life begins to “break bad”. It deserves to win the Emmy for Best Drama – but if GoT were to win, we’d be staring at the sky and screaming with joy – just like Jesse Pinkman!

  109. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Sister Wrister: Hodor’s Bastard, I have a feeling, come winter, it will be your horses and their General who will be harrassed from the giant flying hawks to your west.Either way, GRRM should have plenty of time to write this autumn…. :D

    :-)) Cheers!
    In all honesty though, my true “horses” run around a 110×70 meter pitch and pass a round multi-paneled sphere between each other using a variety of techniques and appendages, with the ultimate destination being a 12×3 meter cave guarded by a gymnastic troll. My favorite horses run around in Barca and Bayern-Munich!

    But those ‘hawks did stomp on those niners, didn’t they? It was ugly…

  110. Jacarb
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    No worries my friend, I agree with you.

    Both Sansa and Dany’s scenes were well done, I thought. Sansa’s near-rape alone was horrific, and we saw her trying to understand it, as well as her nightmare later. Dany’s scene was as necessary as such a thing could be, and after the chaos of the wedding, there is something to be said for Drogo’s relative tenderness. Not that that’s the “right” way to commit statutory or anything, but the scene clearly showed Dany’s emotions as she was learning, as gently as seems possible, how her new culture worked.

    It’d be good to note that both of these scenes really focus on the victim. For these women, these are two singularly developmental moments, and quite necessary. The gang-raped innkeeper’s daughter is discarded by the plot. It isn’t about how it’s the worst imaginable thing that could happen to her; it’s about how Gregor does this shit all the time. Which just underlines that there are plenty of other things out there that could satisfy the narrative need to show him as a sociopath.

    Even the Dothraki raping Sheep-folk, when on-screen, was minimized to be one of the many things that happens in such a raid, and it was shown just long enough to inform Dany’s visceral desire to spare the women, and Jorah was there to add some socio-commentary. For the gang-rape to be shown, it would be a whole segment, violent and graceless, and then we’d never see the girl again. That’s a completely different level than anything we’ve seen.

    While we’re here talking Breaking Bad, huge latest episode spoiler, we didn’t see the hole in Hank’s forehead as the camera pulled way out. His was one of the most necessary, yet still shocking, deaths in the show so far, and we got the cut-away. There’s always room for such decisions. Always.

    My biggest issue is that this thread features the logic “Well we’ve seen lots of sex, and that contortionist’s vag was pretty excessive, so why not a brutal gang rape?”

    That is a mind that needs changing. Maybe not with a rock. Perhaps that was excessive, but I’m in the middle of a story that involves interviewing abuse victims. I cannot underscore the sensitivity needed in these matters, nor my disgust about a lot of prevalent attitudes.

  111. Selmy
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    I read somewhere that season 4 will premiere on March 30th. Is this confirmed??

  112. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    My biggest issue is that this thread features the logic “Well we’ve seen lots of sex, and that contortionist’s vag was pretty excessive, so why not a brutal gang rape?”

    That is a mind that needs changing. Maybe not with a rock. Perhaps that was excessive, but I’m in the middle of a story that involves interviewing abuse victims. I cannot underscore the sensitivity needed in these matters, nor my disgust about a lot of prevalent attitudes.


    Jacarb
    , while I totally agree with you, you’re fighting windmills here. People seem well-meaning enough, it seems more cluelessness about certain issues than malicious intend, but the conversation about this topic over the last few days has reminded me why I usually avoid ASOIAF/GOT blogs in the first place.

  113. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Well, well said, ser. My heart goes out to all victims of senseless violence.

  114. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Selmy,

    I saw that date in connection with those fan posters that were going around a few weeks back – you know, “the winter is coming” – and that made me think it’s just an estimated date. March 30th, 2014 is a Sunday, though, so it’s a well-estimated date, I’d think.

  115. Jacarb
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace,

    I’m a journalist. Cluelessness is as offensive to me as maliciousness.

  116. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    then I’ll wish you success in your attempt to educate. Who knows, it might do some good. Even the most traditional fantasy fan will have to arrive in the 21st century eventually.

  117. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:47 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Jacarb, then I’ll wish you success in your attempt to educate. Who knows, it might do some good. Even the most traditional fantasy fan will have to arrive in the 21st century eventually.

    Uh oh…now you’re getting a bit soap-boxy. Are you suggesting that GRRM get therapy?

    [In my best “denial” voice] George did this to us!!

  118. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hodor’s Bastard: Uh oh…now you’re getting a bit soap-boxy. Are you suggesting that GRRM get therapy?

    lol. Do I know the man personally? I was talking about fans, not GRRM. He’s working within genres that have certain conventions to portray war and violence, and these conventions can only be changed if readers get a bit more sensitive to the topics that are being treated.

    Hodor’s Bastard: [In my best “denial” voice] He did this to us!!

    The author is dead, tho. (Not GRRM. Not starting any rumours.)

    (Also, my soap box smells really nice.)

  119. KG
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Canary,

    Was just about to post pretty much the same thing. Hear, hear.

  120. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Offtopic but lol, going by the cast’s instagrams Pedro Pascal managed to sneak a hug with every single woman on cast)

  121. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace,

    As a female poster stated several moons ago….”Maybe George might benefit from more salad in his diet…” It quite possibly could support a more “healthy” disposition for him and his characters….and help all of us lead more productive and joyful lives.
    :-)

  122. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    more joyful and productive lives would be nice! And there are some great salads, I’m sure he’d find some he’d enjoy.

  123. Carne
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    So with Nathalie Emmanuel being in Belfast and Extras NI looking for two mediterranean males to play Dothraki, it sounds like they’ve begun filming Dany stuff.

  124. Sean C.
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb:
    A senseless and graphic rape scene is not going to happen on screen.

    Who was arguing it was going to happen onscreen?

  125. Delta1212
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    TheBerylfly,

    Now he just needs to get the men in and he really will be the Red Viper.

  126. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb: My biggest issue is that this thread features the logic “Well we’ve seen lots of sex, and that contortionist’s vag was pretty excessive, so why not a brutal gang rape?”

    You really think that’s the logic? I think many of us are saying it could happen, and that we’re sort of cringing at the thought. If it does happen, hopefully it’s mostly off-screen, and it becomes more about the brutality of Gregor. You’re right in that the Sansa and Danys scenes do both focus on the victim (tho in Danys case, it’s much less about her age given the aging up of the character; I tend to think of her as about 18, not 13 as in the books). You’re right that the innkeeper is discarded by the plot, but we haven’t really seen what it is about Gregor – not just that he’s big and can kill at will – but that he’s an awful, wretched human being, worse than just about any introduced.

  127. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Last night, Breaking Bad basically reached Red Wedding levels of heartbreak. As much as I love Game of Thrones, it may have been the craziest, most powerful single episode of TV I have ever watched in my life.

  128. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I seen a few people commenting something similar on the web and I just can’t understand it.

    What was heartbreaking about the episode? I thought it was possibly the best episode of TV all year but nothing struck me as heartbreaking. Awesome or exhilarating are words I’d use to describe it.

  129. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Why don’t they bring Steven Cole back? : (

  130. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Really? A family utterly destroyed, lives torn apart, another family member murdered execution style, domestic violence, baby kidnapping, and the “hero” saying the most painful, cruel things he could possibly say to the people he once cared about. And poor Walt Jr.’s revelation that his beloved father is a complete monster. How is that not heartbreaking? Maybe you aren’t really invested in the characters? I couldn’t even sleep. It was Red Wedding equivalent for me. Worse, even, since I’ve grown de-sensitized to the Red Wedding over 10 years of re-reads.

    Also, the acting was PHENOMENAL. Gotta say, Breaking Bad deserves the Emmys for that episode.

  131. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    it’s exactly this insistence that there needs to be a scene where it is implied that Gregor and his men are gang rapists that makes this thread somewhat creepy to read. I’d still say the beheaded horse, the Hound’s face, Elia’s fate, what happened in Harrenhal and Gregor cutting up people of King’s Landing for target practice are more than enough to drive home that Gregor is mad, bad and dangerous to know.

    And between Ramsay and the mutineers at Craster’s Keep, Season 4 will have more than its fair share of sexual violence already, so from the point of view of selling this show to a mainstream audience – which is what they are trying – putting in yet another scene with rapey undertones is overdoing it.

    In the end, we don’t know what they’ll be doing until we see it. This character might be about something different altogether, and we won’t know, until we either get details about her scenes, or until the show returns.

  132. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    On yet another goofy note….

    We think GoT has diversity issues! Well, the new 2013 Miss America is of Indian descent (as in asian, not indigenous indian) and the twitterverse and blogosphere (even CNN) has gone nuts! She is an incredibly well-educated, talented and gorgeous woman, an awesome representative for a melting-pot country, yet the bigotry and ignorance are at a stunningly intimidating level.

    It’s nuts! Ya gotta love this country!

    (Btw, brunettes rule!)

  133. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I felt numb after watching the Red Wedding, and I had already read the books and knew it was coming. Last night’s BB episode was incredibly depressing. The scene at the White’s home and the phone conversation later was just as emotionally painful as the Red Wedding. In one episode, the whole reason Walt started cooking meth is gone. He lost his family and the money meant to provide for them after he is gone.

    Breaking is always worthy of winning awards, but I felt GOT’s 3rd season was more deserving than BB’s season 5A. After last night’s episode, Breaking Bad should win every award next year.

  134. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    it’s exactly this insistence that there needs to be a scene where it is implied that Gregor and his men are gang rapists that makes this thread somewhat creepy to read. I’d still say the beheaded horse, the Hound’s face, Elia’s fate, what happened in Harrenhal and Gregor cutting up people of King’s Landing for target practice are more than enough to drive home that Gregor is mad, bad and dangerous to know.

    And between Ramsay and the mutineers at Craster’s Keep, Season 4 will have more than its fair share of sexual violence already, so from the point of view of selling this show to a mainstream audience – which is what they are trying – putting in yet another scene with rapey undertones is overdoing it.

    In the end, we don’t know what they’ll be doing until we see it. This character might be about something different altogether, and we won’t know, until we either get details about her scenes, or until the show returns.

    I think it’s fair to say that Gregor’s reputation is less remarked-upon in the series, and that establishing that brutality more directly makes sense within the contained arc of a season 4. I don’t believe that means a gang rape by any means. I do think connecting the visual image of Gregor 3.0 with his reputation is important enough, one way or another, and this may be the unfortunate consequence of the double re-casting. We didn’t see him in Season 3, he was mostly hidden in Season 2, and so it’s a long way back to him beheading a horse. The brutal death of Elia and the kids has been talked upon somewhat, for sure, but has it been focused on? I would say it needs to be underlined around the same time Oberyn Martell is introduced as well. Again, I agree, a rapey thing isn’t necessary.

  135. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: I think it’s fair to say that Gregor’s reputation is less remarked-upon in the series, and that establishing that brutality more directly makes sense within the contained arc of a season 4. I don’t believe that means a gang rape by any means. I do think connecting the visual image of Gregor 3.0 with his reputation is important enough, one way or another, and this may be the unfortunate consequence of the double re-casting. We didn’t see him in Season 3, he was mostly hidden in Season 2, and so it’s a long way back to him beheading a horse. The brutal death of Elia and the kids has been talked upon somewhat, for sure, but has it been focused on? I would say it needs to be underlined around the same time Oberyn Martell is introduced as well. Again, I agree, a rapey thing isn’t necessary.

    Absolutely, to all of it. (Especially Season 2 is a bit unfortunate here, since I’m not sure many people realized that Evil Lannister HeadMinion was meant to be the Mountain.) The pictures we’ve seen of Thor and his sword seem to hint at an ideal possibility for re-demonstrating Gregor’s madness. (I wonder if we’ll possibly get a pre-duel meeting between him and Oberyn, too.)

  136. Hi-Fi
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    The Breaking Bad spoilers have no place here. I almost saw one thinking it was ASOIAF related. Please stop. Thank you.

  137. shuniku
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Good God, can people please stop talking about Breaking Bad? As someone who has read all the ASOIAF books I’m conditioned to not worry about spoilers here, and it’s pretty miraculous that I didn’t accidentally see a BB spoiler.

  138. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Blah blah breaking bad blah blah.

    Let’s talk about how sexy this Granny is. Booming Granny. “It might sound odd it might sound corny but here’s some sex rhymes for those that are horny. She’s a nice sophisticated respectful lady, well I’m 26 and she’s 80.”

    “Because I saw you at the check out line. You dropped your coupons and you were looking fine.”

    Something like that.

  139. arden
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Breaking bad spoilers blacked out nice!!! Wtf you guys doing?

  140. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    Let’s spoil everything.

    Bruce Willis is actually dead….

  141. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    shuniku,

    Hurry up and watch the damn episode already!

  142. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    You forgot to black out your spoilers! DAMN YOUS!!!

  143. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Look who’s wearing purple. That dress would match a certain hairnet, or at least the ‘amethysts’ dangling from it.

  144. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Charlton Heston never left Earth…

  145. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    JR wasn’t shot. It was all just a dream.

  146. shuniku
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I live in Japan. I won’t be able to watch it until it comes out on Blu-ray.

  147. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Sandy becomes a leather clad whore and Danny falls in love…

  148. Nick_Scryer
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    shuniku,

    You do know you are on the internet right now yes? :) CLICK ME

  149. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer: shuniku, You do know you are on the internet right now yes? :) CLICK ME

    I just hurt myself laughing…

    (Darth is Luke’s f…..)

  150. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    shuniku,

    Go watch it. Now.

  151. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    For people complaining about Breaking Bad spoilers… just, no. It’s like when the Red Wedding aired. It was ALL OVER the internet. Breaking Bad is having a similar moment now, as the series comes to an end. Better go watch it soon, or get used to spoilers. Anyway, I blacked mine out at least.

  152. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    I certainly think AFFC is the weakest of the books, even writing wise, but I’ve always liked the idea of the Vale playing a big part in the endgame, so I’m glad to see D&D emphasize the Vale a bit more.

  153. Deathdreams
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    darth vader is Luke Skywalker’s father

  154. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    It’s a mystical physically/temporal moving island powered by a golden energy that can only be described as ” love”. And it must be protected at any cost for if that energy is ever released it could destroy the universe. But even so that energy can still be contained with a…plug.

  155. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Rosebud is a sled.

  156. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Leia is Luke’s sister…

  157. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Verbal Kint = Keyser Soze

  158. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    Thank you, for stating this.

  159. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    The Titantic sinks….

  160. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Verbal Kint = Keyser Soze

    I was waiting for this.

  161. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    The Titantic sinks….

    Sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttt!

  162. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides: It’s a mystical physically/temporal moving island powered by a golden energy that can only be described as ” love”. And it must be protected at any cost for if that energy is ever released it could destroy the universe. But even so that energy can still be contained with a…plug.

    Now that crosses the line! This is a respectable website…and you are discussing buttplugs? Shame on you, spice lover….

  163. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Everyone dies.

  164. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I prefer the title of Muadhib thank you very much. If you must resort to vulgarity I will accept “Mahdi”.

  165. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides: Sheeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiittttt!

    But Rose lives and she shows her tits.

  166. shuniku
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Thanks, but I’d rather watch it through legitimate means. I’m not judging people who do watch it illegally – I just don’t want to do so myself.

  167. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Mmm Kate’s rosebuds and voluptuous curves…*Homer Simpson drooling sounds*

    Even before his honourable wife or even his Fremen slag…er Consort, Chani daughter of Liet, Mu’adhib became indifferent to the cries of freedom echoing across the known universe. Consistently he would occupy his time with spice consumption to an extent that he would frequent the “interwebz” and converse with lesser denizens and so debase himself and the high office of which he was was entrusted. Simply put, Mu’adhib enjoyed pornography.
    -101 Creepy Facts about Mu’adhib by the Princess Irulan.

  168. Strongboar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    The stupidity of some people nevers fails to amaze me. Yes, what Walt said was painful and horrible, but he did it only to offer Skylar a way out by taking full responsibility for all crimes committed. Invested in the characters? You have got to be kidding me. You don’t even understand them.

  169. Sean C.
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    it’s exactly this insistence that there needs to be a scene where it is implied that Gregor and his men are gang rapists that makes this thread somewhat creepy to read.

    What “insistence”? People have noted that the show needs to establish the Mountain’s brutality properly, and identified a spoiler that strongly suggests how they will do that.

  170. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Note to Benioff & Weiss – you already have Michelle McLaren directing for you. Now hire every single one of Breaking Bad writers.

    I knew about Red Wedding because I’ve read the books, and it was only few scenes in episode with other stuff happening. “Ozymandias” consists almost entirely of RW caliber scenes – just when you think nothing worse could happen to the characters, it does. This is television at its finest and everyone involved in this show should get every possible award.

  171. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Leia is Luke’s sister…

    Also, apparently, Anakin Skywalker was conceived through some kind of spontaneous combustion of molecules and implanted in the womb of a severe-looking Swedish woman, and he was once a plucky young boy who only wanted everyone to get along. The inability of everyone to get along while watching him race go-carts, and his dismay at the fact that sand gets everywhere, and some relationship troubles and a lousy emo haircut, turns him into the worst villain ever, when he really probably just needed a hug, and to not be so annoyed by a floppy-eared racist caricature that wouldn’t shut the hell up.

    At least, I think that’s what happened.

  172. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Thank god for Han Solo. Who shot first.

  173. lol
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Try reading up thread to see posting after poster jerking off to the thought of a character establishing his “badassery” by raping a woman and hoping D&D will show it on-screen.

  174. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I see your point, despite the previous ( numerous ) comments here, from primarily
    male posters that elude to a different perspective than stated just now. Sifting out
    the pragmatic comments from smut filled ones have been tiresome of late, so I
    took leave .

    While true reference to male cruelty goes on record, in history canons and present
    day reports, the viewing audience remains vividly aware of it’s depiction or intent
    onscreen. To demonstrate rape in cinema, specifically, is neither new or insightful, but
    arguably pedantic, (with respects to those whom wish to get the details right ). A
    likely assessment is simply to amp the entertainment and/or arousal of some , and
    increase viewership , in that instance. For the record, I’m female, insightful in
    medicine and history. In other words, very detail oriented . I appreciate accuracy in
    all things essential and minute, but emphasize that relevant to what keeps us whole
    and balanced. Sometimes it’s just not forthcoming to know all the components of
    ” sludge “, however the concept is understood enough to know of it’s existence .
    Sometimes a single picture does the trick, a full scene tells all the details, and then
    some. As it’s said before ” a picture tells a thousand words “.

    If GoT writers had considered, much earlier, say S1 or S2, to build the sociopathic
    nature of Gregor, specifically ,or any typical male aggression, onscreen, I would
    have less of an issue with it now. When many sensitive previous posts , from
    previous threads raised issue of gratuitous nudity or consensual sexual encounters,
    I disagreed, whole heartedly, as these often depicted the typical atmosphere of
    ASOIF and historical behaviours ( of both men and women ). I found nothing
    particularly offensive of S1 Drogon either , and applaud the writers attempt to
    demonstrate Danerys and Drogon’s multi episode evolving relationship. On
    the other hand, crueler encounters did occur, outside brothels, and within
    Littlefingers lair……. all acceptable. I did draw the line at the poor attempt
    to register Joffrey among the sadomasochist variety, as his indifference to
    suffering was already established. Really Jack Gleeson’s acting had proved
    superb already, there was no denying of how far he’d go, in anyone’s imagination.
    That scene was offensive in both subject and excess in establishing Joffrey’s
    mindset. So it goes with Gregor Clegane, what’s Not to say about this beast ?
    I lament that earlier malice wasn’t demonstrated, but throwing it in, at the last
    minute , appears rather desperate .

  175. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    lol:
    Sean C.,

    Try reading up thread to see posting after poster jerking off to the thought of a character establishing his “badassery” by raping a woman and hoping D&D will show it on-screen.

    There is no need to establish Gregor’s brutality, because the story of how he burned his brother’s face and his men’s exploits at Harrenhal are already told and shown. There is really no need for a horrific rape scene to show us what we already know. It’s not a 70’s exploitation movie, FFS.

  176. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Now that crosses the line! This is a respectable website…and you are discussing buttplugs? Shame on you, spice lover….

    “melange is highly addictive, and withdrawal could mean certain death …..”

    Joshua is fine, no worries, just upset about Breaking Bad’s recent episode, probably.

  177. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: I think it’s fair to say that Gregor’s reputation is less remarked-upon in the series, and that establishing that brutality more directly makes sense within the contained arc of a season 4. I don’t believe that means a gang rape by any means. I do think connecting the visual image of Gregor 3.0 with his reputation is important enough, one way or another, and this may be the unfortunate consequence of the double re-casting. We didn’t see him in Season 3, he was mostly hidden in Season 2, and so it’s a long way back to him beheading a horse. The brutal death of Elia and the kids has been talked upon somewhat, for sure, but has it been focused on? I would say it needs to be underlined around the same time Oberyn Martell is introduced as well. Again, I agree, a rapey thing isn’t necessary.

    True, all.

  178. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: What “insistence”?People have noted that the show needs to establish the Mountain’s brutality properly, and identified a spoiler that strongly suggests how they will do that.

    Not quite. People saw an actor’s CV with a role identifying her as Innkeeper’s Daughter, and insisted that there is only one possible way this character could play out, connecting her to the need to re-introduce the Mountain’s brutality. Meanwhile, we have no idea about a)scenes the actress appears in, b)possible co-stars, or c)where she is or was filming. Only that the role is for Episode o1. What we do know is that the new Mountain has so far filmed in Croatia (not Northern Ireland), and that he’s been slicing up people with his sword. That to me seems pretty crazy and brutal, and could re-establish that the guy is really nuts. And brutal. But a lot of people in this thread, and in the previous thread where Gabrielle Dempsey’s CV was first discussed, brushed the evidence we had for the show filming examples of the Mountain’s brutishness aside and concentrated on spinning a theory out of a role name instead.

  179. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Lex,

    I felt numb after watching the Red Wedding, and I had already read the books and knew it was coming. Last night’s BB episode was incredibly depressing. The scene at the White’s home and the phone conversation later was just as emotionally painful as the Red Wedding.In one episode, the whole reason Walt started cooking meth is gone. He lost his family and the money meant to provide for them after he is gone.

    Breaking is always worthy of winning awards, but I felt GOT’s 3rd season was more deserving than BB’s season 5A. After last night’s episode, Breaking Bad should win every award next year.

    Possible maybe, with respects to next year’s Emmy fallout. Still, many remain
    riveted over last night’s Breaking Bad episode….. hell, the entire season thus
    far. Sometimes it’s confusing where the award committee “time” parameters
    are taken into account. Where’s the cutoff, or eligibility rules for season
    entry ?

  180. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    Strongboar:
    Lex,

    The stupidity of some people nevers fails to amaze me.

    Are you calling me stupid? I am fully aware of your interpretation of events. My opinion, however, lies somewhere in between both interpretations. If you think Walt was being a nice guy there, then you don’t understand the characters either. He is a megalomaniac, and while he may have been helping Skylar, he was also unleashing his anger, pain, and rage upon her. Let me guess, you think he was somehow “helping” Jesse too, by what he said to him? If you think Walt is a “good guy”, you have seriously misunderstood the show.

    Lastly, if you’re so smart, why can’t you understand how to use the spoiler tags?

  181. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Strongboar:
    Lex,

    The stupidity of some people nevers fails to amaze me. Yes, what Walt said was painful and horrible, but he did it only to offer Skylar a way out by taking full responsibility for all crimes committed. Invested in the characters? You have got to be kidding me. You don’t even understand them.

    Aside from the insult, your point of view about BB Walter White has a sizable percentage
    of viewers agreeing to that perspective. Arguably, with him suspecting that Skylar
    was likely joined by police ( due to Walt Jr’s request ) whom were listening, he
    offered a cryptic self confession to her benefit. I considered this scenario as well.
    With only 2 more episodes left, even more issues will be hemmed up.

    to add: I forgot to consider that these comments may be
    spoilers to some, as the episode may not have shown
    everywhere. I’ve no way to add the ” spoiler ” application.
    My apologies.

  182. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    That wasn’t Mark Warhlburgs cock.

  183. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    You can edit comments and wrap (b) and (/b) (use triangular brackets instead) around spoiler text to block it.

    For the most part, so far, people have hidden the spoilers. Unfortunately “some people’s stupidity never ceases to amaze”, right Strongboar?

  184. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Are you calling me stupid?

    Yeah, that comment was definitely Unnecessary.

  185. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Lex: You can edit comments and wrap and (without spaces) around spoiler text to block it.

    Editing is easy. Where’s the Spoiler tab or ” wrap ” thingy during the Edit Function ???????

  186. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    well sh**, I tried to experiment and timed out…. #$%&*#!

  187. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I took the phone call the same way.

    Breaking Bad Spoilers:

    By the time he called Skylar, Walt had thought things through. He knew the phone call would be recorded. It was 100 percent an act, meant to protect Skylar and remove any suspected association to his crimes.

  188. boze
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Lastly, if you’re so smart, why can’t you understand how to use the spoiler tags?

    The spoiler tags are pretty much useless if you use them to spoil non-GOT related things. Just saying.

  189. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    all my comments are necessary

  190. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    boze,

    That doesn’t make any sense.

  191. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    well sh**, I tried to experiment and timed out…. #$%&*#!

    You can say mutherfucker. Its OK.

  192. Sean C.
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    lol:
    Sean C.,

    Try reading up thread to see posting after poster jerking off to the thought of a character establishing his “badassery” by raping a woman and hoping D&D will show it on-screen.

    I see nothing of that description. Care to cite an actual example?

  193. shuniku
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I’m pretty sure some people deactivate spoiler tags altogether, not realizing that some posters would spoil things that are completely unrelated to GoT.

  194. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Lex is the best. alumni represent.

  195. boze
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    shuniku,

    Exactly.

    Your brain, Lex.. use it.

  196. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,
    I really dont see what else she will be in episode one if not the rape victim. Yes it is horrible but it is part of the story. SOA just had a school shooting, which im sorry but nation wide hits harder then rape does, both are horrible. My point being they have showed rape on SOA but they wouldnt show the kid shooting up the school. so you have to believe that HBO will show this. I think they will use this to help portray him as someone who rapes and kills without mercy so when the duel comes we know how much of a monster he really is. I hope its not too graphic but i think its needed for the story.

  197. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    If you watch Mean Girls backwards its about a popular girl who loses all her friends and moves to Africa.

  198. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been called stupid, and told to “use my brain”, by two different people (unless boze and Strongboar are the same douchey individual), unprovoked. Some real winners in here today.

  199. lol
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Are you being obtuse? Lots of excitement for a rape scene. Of course, it’s all about establishing what a bad-ass the villain is and no clue about the difference between sex and rape.

    And checking back, I see you’re one of said posters who’s totes excited to see it depicted on-scene so I’m clearly wasting my time explaining this to you.

  200. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    boze:
    shuniku,

    Exactly.

    Your brain, Lex.. use it.

    My kraken. Eat it.

  201. King Tommen
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of casting, remember the news from a while back about Hoji Fortuna being cast (the guy everyone guessed was maybe Brown Ben Plumm) which HBO subsequently denied? If you follow the actor on Twitter, you can clearly see on his timeline first the announcement from him that he had been cast a few weeks ago with congratulations coming from friends that he acknowledged by saying he was very excited. Then there is a period of time where he goes silent (during which HBO tells WiC he absolutely has not been cast) followed by a cryptic public announcement from him of sorts on Sep 6th, that doesn’t state anything explicitly but basically says that he’s legally not allowed to talk about anything but he loves the show.

    Then there’s a couple of random pics over the past couple weeks of Croatian landscapes. Then today, he tweeted a pic of a sunset with the description “picture taken from the bus on the way to Split”. As has been announced on WiC earlier this summer, Split Croatia is a new filming location for GoT and the date when filming begins there is Sep 20th.

    So unless this actor is just a huge stalker who is following the production of GoT across the world, he’s clearly been cast on the show and HBO really, really doesn’t want you to know about it.

  202. Kyrenna
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Breaking bad is all over the internet, yes I know. It’s why I’m avoiding generic tv watch/review sites for a while, not to be too spoiled until I get a chance to actually see it. To run into BB spoilers on a site devoted to an altogether different tv show, in a thread that’s not about Emmys or ratings or somesuch (where you can actually expect comparisons to be made between shows) is just downright shitty. To see people asking to cut it out be mocked with spoilers of movies that have been out for years…even shittier. Not everyone is in the USA, not everyone has time to watch stuff immediately.

  203. Sean C.
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    lol:
    And checking back, I see you’re one of said posters who’s totes excited to see it depicted on-scene so I’m clearly wasting my time explaining this to you.

    You think my statement indicated “excitement”? Well, I guess that explains why you apparently think this thread is full of people excited to see the scene, since I really have no idea how anyone would interpret:

    Sean C.: Showing is always better than telling.If we get an Innkeeper’s Daughter in the first episode, at a point where the Mountain needs to be built up as a threat, the most logical conclusion is that she’s the one from the Mountain’s story.We’re not likely to actually see it, of course, but the buildup and possibly aftermath seem perfectly within this show’s mode of operations.

    As indicating “excitement”. I especially like how you somehow get that I want to see it depicted onscreen when my own comment notes that that isn’t at all likely to happen.

  204. Cantuse
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    I don’t know if you did all that research yourself, but bravo.

  205. Rygar
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Kyrenna,

    I apologize if my attempt at humor upset you.

  206. GreenJones
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    On a previous page people discussed a porn actress being cast and speculated it had to do with the Mole’s Town brothel. Here is a NSFW link that seems to show that a porn girl has shared a scene with Liam Cunningham’s Davos of all people. https://twitter.com/Bad_Bentley I wonder what this entails. But remember NSFW.

  207. GreenJones
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    And this actress, Sarine Sofair, seems to have been in the scene as well given her tweets and those of her aforementioned costar. https://twitter.com/SarineSofair I wonder under what circumstance Davos would be spending time with naked ladies?

  208. King DBC
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    I know I’m late to the Breaking Bad party here, I just watched it, so let me just “Ahhhhhh! Oh my god!!!’ That was intense. Skylar running down the street was just Emmy gold. I love that the episode took a step that makes it impossible to step back from, ever. Wow, amazing!

  209. Chickenduck
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen:

    So unless this actor is just a huge stalker who is following the production of GoT across the world, he’s clearly been cast on the show and HBO really, really doesn’t want you to know about it.

    Has anything been confirmed as to specifically which cast members are filming in Split rather than Dubrovnik?

    Iain Glen is heading over this week, so presumably Dany’s stuff is kicking off soon…

  210. Tereeza777
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    I’ve been called stupid, and told to “use my brain”, by two different people (unless boze and Strongboar are the same douchey individual), unprovoked. Some real winners in here today.

    Lex,
    don’t worry – I just called Todd – and he said that Uncle Jack and Co. might be paying your little friends a visit later this evening :) Totally agree that last night’s episode was heart-breaking. When Hank said: “you’re the smartest guy I’ve ever met but you’re too stupid to see he made up his mind ten minutes ago, I just lost it. It’s weird – it’s like they’re part of your family – and you hurt so much for them. Great show and so is GoT!

  211. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    GreenJones,

    Stopover at the Three sisters ?

  212. GreenJones
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides Well, whatever the circumstance its doubtful that he would be seeing these girls when Stannis is around or nearby. I wonder if perhaps there are some shenanigans aboard Salladhor Saan’s ship.

  213. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza777,

    Oh man… please don’t mention Todd (aka Meth Damon) ever again! So creepy.

  214. Alvis
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Nathalie Emmanuel is in Belfast, and there’s a call for extras to play dothrakis there tomorrow and Wednesday so i’d asume Emilia and the rest of the crew are there too

  215. Lex
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Haha, it’s funny after all this Breaking Bad talk to see that we’re not the only ones who loved it!

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/337511.html

    …and he agrees with us about the Emmys:

    “there’s no way in hell that anyone is going to defeat BREAKING BAD next year, when their last season is the one in contention”

  216. Turncloak
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Maybe this is the scene we hear from the mouth of Cheswyck where the Mountain and his men rape the innkeeper’s daughter, give him a silver as payment, and later ask for change because she wasn’t worth the silver

  217. JamesL
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Oh no, the goofy hairstyles from S1 are back.

  218. LadySnark
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    Remember Hafthor isn’t an actor. He has had no acting experience. If they do portray that revolting scene with the innkeepers daughter I really don’t see it being too graphic on that basis alone. Considering he apparently also speaks with a heavy Icelandic accent I expect his actual interaction would likely be minimal. There are plenty of ways they could make that scene disturbing without being graphic. Sometimes what is implied is way worse than what is seen. For example we never saw Ramsay cut off Theons dong but the Pork Sausage scene that followed is probably one of the more uncomfortable-to-watch cringeworthy moments in the series.

  219. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Haha, it’s funny after all this Breaking Bad talk to see that we’re not the only ones who loved it!http://grrm.livejournal.com/337511.html…and he agrees with us about the Emmys:“there’s no way in hell that anyone is going to defeat BREAKING BAD next year, when their last season is the one in contention”

    Wow…I like this quote:
    “Walter White is a bigger monster than anyone in Westeros.
    (I need to do something about that).”

    Is GRRM implying that he is up for the challenge? Oh boy…

  220. DH87
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy: Note to Benioff & Weiss – you already have Michelle McLaren directing for you. Now hire every single one of Breaking Bad writers.

    That will never happen. D&D want to write the show. They’ve made that pretty clear. Even if they knew others could do better, they wouldn’t give up that component of the work. That said, without knowing the word-for-word contribution of the brilliant Vince Gilligan, there’s no guarantee that the BB writers would thrive equally in the D&D universe. Don’t forget that adaptations are very different from original material. One can be talented in writing one but fail miserably at the other.

  221. DH87
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:25 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Sometimes it’s confusing where the award committee “time” parameters
    are taken into account. Where’s the cutoff, or eligibility rules for season
    entry ?

    This is especially confusing, since the BB “final season” was broken into two sections. Emmy rules dictate that a show is eligible if the first episode aired prior to the cut-off date of May 31, 2013 and individual episodes are eligible so long as the episode was available in some format prior to May 31 (the so-called “hanging episodes” rule). Therefore, I believe BB’s first half of its final season, which aired July and August of last year, is eligible for the Emmy awards this weekend and the very compelling second half of the season will be eligible for next year’s Emmys.

    Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.

  222. Jacarb
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre:
    Jacarb,
    I really dont see what else she will be in episode one if not the rape victim. Yes it is horrible but it is part of the story. SOAjust had a school shooting, which im sorry but nation wide hits harder then rape does, both are horrible. My point being they have showed rape on SOA but they wouldnt show the kid shooting up the school. so you have to believe that HBO will show this. I think they will use this to help portray him as someone who rapes and kills without mercy so when the duel comes we know how much of a monster he really is. I hope its not too graphic but i think its needed for the story.

    So this is what I’m talking about. Thanks for the example.

    You can’t think of anything else a one-episode character who doesn’t get a real name could be? Are you f*ing kidding? She’s a glorified extra. She could be so many things. If gang rape is the only possibility in your head, that means it’s the first idea you seriously entertained. So, altogether, your first and only serious theory is gang rape. Do you not understand how that makes YOU come off as creepy?

    You might note that I allowed for the possibility that she is Gregor’s victim, but that the main point of my argument is that there’s no way the scene will be shown.

    As someone who called his mother in DC this morning because of today’s awful events, I will walk you through how rape is different from a mass shooting. As terrible (and thusly national attention-grabbing) as such shootings are, the victims and their families are a minuscule fraction of the population. They have suffered terribly, and deserve all the compassion we can muster. And, because of that national attention, they largely get it. Violent episodes of shows are always pulled after such tragedies, and the agony of the families and communities are highly visible.

    Rape, on the other hand, happens constantly and quietly. Its psychological effects are such that victims feel shame on top of their pain, and do not broadcast to the outside world.

    Rape deserves a unique KIND of sensitivity–as opposed to just more–because its victims are hidden and all-too-often suffer in silence. And there are millions of them. I’m writing this on a bus and count twelve women. Statistically speaking, three of them have been sexually assaulted.

    This is not about taste in cinema. This is not about what other shows had kids getting gunned down.

    This is about respecting victims at every possible turn, because the odds are someone you care about has been raped. If you do not understand how common it is, and what that means for how we must approach it as a society, you are dangerously ignorant.

  223. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    This sounds reasonable, as I’d read some accounts of this in some trade paper in
    San Francisco. It’s been a while, though. Your references are always credible,
    so I’ll accept this until some industry insider verifies . A Web search, leads
    all over the place, including rumour mills. Thanks again.

  224. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    I know, I’m not very good at shorthand or synonyms, because these mean
    different things to different people, no matter the context. Yet it’s important
    to have shortened phrases or web- speak, I do fully appreciate the necessity.
    It gets confusing at times, but some are willing to translate. No one here
    would appreciate medical abbreviations, and that is just another language
    to decipher.

  225. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oh boy ( :

  226. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen:
    Speaking of casting, remember the news from a while back about Hoji Fortuna being cast (the guy everyone guessed was maybe Brown Ben Plumm) which HBO subsequently denied?If you follow the actor on Twitter, you can clearly see on his timeline first the announcement from him that he had been cast a few weeks ago with congratulations coming from friends that he acknowledged by saying he was very excited. Then there is a period of time where he goes silent (during which HBO tells WiC he absolutely has not been cast) followed by a cryptic public announcement from him of sorts on Sep 6th, that doesn’t state anything explicitly but basically says that he’s legally not allowed to talk about anything but he loves the show.

    Then there’s a couple of random pics over the past couple weeks of Croatian landscapes.Then today, he tweeted a pic of a sunset with the description “picture taken from the bus on the way to Split”. As has been announced on WiC earlier this summer, Split Croatia is a new filming location for GoT and the date when filming begins there is Sep 20th.

    So unless this actor is just a huge stalker who is following the production of GoT across the world, he’s clearly been cast on the show and HBO really, really doesn’t want you to know about it.

    Clearly recast Tyrion.

  227. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Kyrenna,
    I hear you. International broadcasts do very in scheduled programmes.
    Some in the US tape the episode and watch the next day or convenient . I
    finally got to view it at 1 am PST, even though it debuted hours earlier
    for broadcast. I was reading a book without interruption.

  228. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Cool dude, that GRRM.

  229. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    If you watch Mean Girls backwards its about a popular girl who loses all her friends and moves to Africa.

    wtf ? , oh, yeah, I see ( :

  230. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    I never turn off the spoiler comments, it’s still easy for me to read what’s
    beneath the bars, so it’s no big deal.

    The ” spoiler function tab “, however, does Not work in Edit Mode, which I
    attempted to do afterwards. Ironically, my secondary comment was added below it,
    in apology, however still ineffective at adding the ” bars/ tags “.

    Anyone experimented with achieving added spoiler tags, post initial comment ?

    There’s bound to be someone more brilliant than myself and Lex . *>*

  231. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Lex,
    This, except unlike the Red Wedding, Ozymandias was pulled off to perfection.

  232. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I want to believe. It’s X-Files all over , again.
    Actually, Walt Heisenberg is a very intelligent man, maybe not a mastermind
    at crime as Hank would wager, but a excellent deductive reasoning.

    Did you notice my playing around with that spoiler tag thingy…..easy to do
    in an initial comment mode. ( :

  233. Kilgore Tully
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Tywin’s most unforgivable act, the one the audience must be aware of to understand his eventual murder, was orchestrating a gang-rape.

    It was entirely off-screen.

  234. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Tyrion’s spoken account illustrated this well , in the audience’s imagination.
    There are some people here whom may never had an adult read to them
    when they were wee lads and ladies.

  235. DH87
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Anyone experimented with achieving added spoiler tags, post initial comment ?

    Once you realize you’ve neglected to mark up your spoiler text, I think you’d be better off saving your initial comment while you are in the edit window, then deleting it and either delete the message entirely or keystroke “edited message to follow” and re-post. Paste your saved text into a new message where you can add your spoiler tags as appropriate.

  236. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:34 pm | Permalink

    Anyone in line for GTA V?

  237. WildSeed
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    DH87,

    I’m gonna practice that. I’ve actually deleted full comment before, when I’ve
    revised my thinking or felt too incomplete in writing. I did that in Edit Mode.
    However I am quite inept, when it comes to pasting and savings, as you described.

    I’ve little practice that this skill requires, and never utilized at home. I have support
    staff at work, and never took clerical training in primary. Made use of eager to be
    paid typist, that typed my thesis in less time than it took me
    to explain my preferences.Lack of of education withstanding,
    I feel totally ignorant about the keyboard. My two fingers used are exhausted ( :

  238. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 16, 2013 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Hodor’s Bastard, I see your point, despite the previous ( numerous ) comments here, from primarily male posters that elude to a different perspective than stated just now. Sifting out the pragmatic comments from smut filled ones have been tiresome of late, so I took leave .

    Please, oh wild one, no matter how furious, serious, giddy or silly it gets in here, don’t “take leave” of these threads for long. We need you in here! Perspectives abound in these threads, many are raw and many well-stated, but I always look forward to where your thoughts lead us (and your interesting use of punctuation!).
    ;-)

  239. Morgan
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 1:14 am | Permalink

    I’m really glad they are going to start introducing the Lords Declarant this season, I definitely think this means we’ll be getting both Greyjoy brothers and most of the Martells in Season 5. Most of the storylines introduced in this season should be established enough to introduce quite a few new important characters.

    Also, Snape kills Dumbledore.

  240. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Morgan:
    Also, Snape kills Dumbledore.

    WHAT?!?!! ┻━┻ヽ(`Д´)ノ彡┻━┻

  241. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I think most non-book readers would say the Red Wedding was pulled off to perfection.

  242. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 1:53 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    I had three complaints with it, and only one of them is from the perspective of a book reader:
    1 (general complaint) – The way in which the blood squirted from Catelyn’s neck looked really fake

    2 (book reader complaint) – in the show, Roose pops in from the side and kills Robb with a tiny dagger and it felt really sudden, but not in a good way. In the books he strolls up with a longsword. I think it would have had much more impact if they had a shot from the galleries with the crossbowmen where you see Roose stroll up with his longsword. Basically I think they should have stretched out that moment rather than rush it so as to really emphasise the horror of it.

    3 (other general complaint) – I thought they could have done something better with the soundtrack during the sequence. The one they had wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t the best example of the soundtrack adding to the scene in the series

  243. smashedblocked
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    maybe i missed it, but does nobody think either of these girls could be Ramsey’s fake Arya?

  244. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 3:05 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Have to disagree on the soundtrack: the Rains of Castamere hauntingly played. The chilling opening tingle as Roose reveals his chainmail, growing into Hermannesque stabs of strings falling and falling as the slaughter begins underlined by electronic organ brooding. Knives go in, crossbow bolts rain everywhere. That swell of hope as Arya goes to save Grey Wind, only she’s too late. The swell of her theme as she angrily hurries towards certain doom only to be rescued by the Hound. The main theme gliding in soothingly for us as he places her over his shoulder. The Robb/Talisa love theme bittersweet as Robb watches her die,her blood and his son’s blood on his fingers. The noble beseeching of the Catelyn/Old Gods and New theme as Cat pleads for her son’s life. The final utterance of the Stark theme as hope is crushed. The tingle with slight strings as we fade out. Djiwadi’s finest hour if you ask me. But I’m a film score enthusiast so subtleties interest me more than overt emotional resonance. It’s as if Hans Zimmer and the child of John Williams and Howard Shore had a baby that was inundated with Hitchcock scores during pregnancy. Ramin loves leitmotif and for that I am very grateful.
    As for the throat slash. It’s a matter of taste I suppose, but I found it horrifying and accurate. There’s a lot of blood released when you cut the jugular/carotid.

  245. OldeCrone
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:08 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    WildSeed, I’m not sure what you mean about abbreviations. Was that because one of my posts went on a bit like an Icelandic saga … I did get somewhat carried away in the flow. Were you saying I ought to use abbreviations more frequently? I appreciate that these forums aren’t really the place to get too high-falutin’. Or did you allude to my misunderstanding (temporarily) of “BB”? Incidentally, I wasn’t complaining about the use of abbreviations, just saying that in that instance I had made a mistake. I only became interested in the “Game of Thrones” series earlier this year [and am now working through the books] so it takes me longer to work out the short forms than people who have been aware of the series for longer than myself.

  246. Turncloak
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Nope I’m too busy playing Final Fantasy XIV ;)

  247. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    With the soundtrack I agree that it comes down to personal taste. I really would have liked something similarly haunting, but based on the show version of the Rains of Castamere, just because I think it would have been more fitting :P.

    As for the throat slit: it wasn’t the amount of blood that put me off (that was spot on), but the way in which the blood squirted out. The direction and velocity with which the blood came shooting out just seemed a bit fake and almost comical. And it looking that way wasn’t a reality of production either; other shows such as Dexter and Breaking Bad have show characters getting their throats in a more realistic manner. Basically it should have been more of a pulsating flow of blood rather than a constant stream, and although it should have projected, that much was rather unrealistic and ridiculous.

  248. Turncloak
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Lex: Tereeza777,

    Oh man… please don’t mention Todd (aka Meth Damon) ever again! So creepy.

    Speaking of Todd, he’s being handled way batter in Breaking Bad than how Game of Thrones handled Ramsay. The torture by Todd wasn’t shown which made it all the better

  249. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 9:09 am | Permalink

    smashedblocked:
    maybe i missed it, but does nobody think either of these girls could be Ramsey’s fake Arya?

    Don’t get them started…

    To answer your question: Gabrielle Dempsey seems to be in only one episode. Paola Dionisotti, lovely as she may be, should be a bit too old. And the ladies possibly meeting Davos – seems a bit farfetched to think they’ll somehow end up in the role you mention, no?

  250. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Off-topic:
    HBO has apparently greenlit The Leftovers. The show sounds rather interesting…

  251. Arkash
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Joshua, that was an amazing analysis ! Thanks !

    Ramin Djawadi’s love and use of leitmotiv themes is magnificent !

  252. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides: Ser Tahu, Have to disagree on the soundtrack: the Rains of Castamere hauntingly played. The chilling opening tingle as Roose reveals his chainmail, growing into Hermannesque stabs of strings falling and falling as the slaughter begins underlined by electronic organ brooding. Knives go in, crossbow bolts rain everywhere. That swell of hope as Arya goes to save Grey Wind, only she’s too late. The swell of her theme as she angrily hurries towards certain doom only to be rescued by the Hound. The main theme gliding in soothingly for us as he places her over his shoulder. The Robb/Talisa love theme bittersweet as Robb watches her die,her blood and his son’s blood on his fingers. The noble beseeching of the Catelyn/Old Gods and New theme as Cat pleads for her son’s life. The final utterance of the Stark theme as hope is crushed. The tingle with slight strings as we fade out. Djiwadi’s finest hour if you ask me. But I’m a film score enthusiast so subtleties interest me more than overt emotional resonance. It’s as if Hans Zimmer and the child of John Williams and Howard Shore had a baby that was inundated with Hitchcock scores during pregnancy. Ramin loves leitmotif and for that I am very grateful.As for the throat slash. It’s a matter of taste I suppose, but I found it horrifying and accurate. There’s a lot of blood released when you cut the jugular/carotid.

    Oh, now you did it, spice boy. Just when I thought I had mentally dealt with the RW and put it behind me, you and Ser Tahu brought it right back, front and center. Damn you, man! Damn you! You have effectively reduced my work productivity by 50% today. I blame you two.

    Btw, your “Arya trying save Grey Wind” comment hit me hard too. Imho, that was an almost unforgiveable sin by the showrunners for the RW episode. GW dying in a cage made me want to toss my damn flatscreen out the fucking window, much like I had tossed my damn hardback of ASoS against the wall back in 2002 when I read the chapter. No fucking respect. GW needed to take out several Freys before he succumbed. He wasn’t a fucking rat in a cage! He was trying to save Robb! Damn D&D for that.

    So there. It has been said. I can get on with my day now.

    Btw,
    “Ender…..It’s not a sssiimmmuuulllaaatttiiiioon!!!”

  253. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Thanks. Love me some film/tv scores.

    I’d be angry with your spoiler btw but the trailers beat you to it! ;-)

  254. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Off-topic:
    HBO has apparently greenlit The Leftovers. The show sounds rather interesting…

    Yeah, that’s based on Tom Perrotta. They filmed it one town away from me, my cousin is in the background somewheres!

  255. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb,

    I do know rape victims and also ive know people who have raped before. So yeah i know all about how it works and the psychology behind it. as most people do. You have to be ignorant if you think there people that dont know people who have been raped or sexually abused. I didnt say they had to show it. Im saying its part of the story. Why do you hate Gregor? its not because of the mass killings he does. Is because of what he did to baby aegon and martel. Thats the point there going to want to make. So to show how bad he is they will portray him raping the innkeepers daughter it will make it that much more horriblewhen the RV almost kills him then loses at the end. theres no way your going to keep rape out of the story because its part of this world. Its all over the books. Its not glorifying it its only world building. Im sure there are plenty of victims that watch this show or read the book. I have to think everyone knows whats in the content by now. Theres horrible shit that happens. ALL THE TIME. its part of the story. They dont have to show it, but i can almost gaurantee that she will be the victim of gregor

  256. Sean C.
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb: So this is what I’m talking about. Thanks for the example.

    You can’t think of anything else a one-episode character who doesn’t get a real name could be? Are you f*ing kidding? She’s a glorified extra. She could be so many things. If gang rape is the only possibility in your head, that means it’s the first idea you seriously entertained. So, altogether, your first and only serious theory is gang rape. Do you not understand how that makes YOU come off as creepy?

    You do understand that we’re discussing an adaptation, right? That there are “innkeeper’s daughters” in the text, and thus any discussion of who an “innkeeper’s daughter” will be on the show will naturally begin with whatever parts people remember those characters playing. This particular one stands out, as it was meant to, because of how gruesome and horrible it was. Nobody would be assuming that she’s an innkeeper’s daughter who gets gang-raped by the Mountain if we were dealing with an original work.

    It could be a wholly invented character, but we don’t really have much of anything to go on with regard to that.

  257. Kris
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    GreenJones:
    And this actress, Sarine Sofair, seems to have been in the scene as well given her tweets and those of her aforementioned costar. https://twitter.com/SarineSofair I wonder under what circumstance Davos would be spending time with naked ladies?

    Looks like Sarine Sofair will be in episode 6 or 7 judging by the info from her agency casting page: 2013, Television, Lhara , GAME OF THRONES , Fire and Blood Productions/HBO , Alik Sakharov.

  258. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre: Jacarb, I do know rape victims and also ive know people who have raped before. So yeah i know all about how it works and the psychology behind it. as most people do. You have to be ignorant if you think there people that dont know people who have been raped or sexually abused. I didnt say they had to show it. Im saying its part of the story. Why do you hate Gregor? its not because of the mass killings he does. Is because of what he did to baby aegon and martel. Thats the point there going to want to make. So to show how bad he is they will portray him raping the innkeepers daughter it will make it that much more horriblewhen the RV almost kills him then loses at the end. theres no way your going to keep rape out of the story because its part of this world. Its all over the books. Its not glorifying it its only world building. Im sure there are plenty of victims that watch this show or read the book. I have to think everyone knows whats in the content by now. Theres horrible shit that happens. ALL THE TIME. its part of the story. They dont have to show it, but i can almost gaurantee that she will be the victim of gregor

    Westeros FBI Most Wanted
    Name: Gregor Clegane
    Crime: Serial rapist, serial killer
    Last known whereabouts: Harrenhal
    Last known picture: http://serclegane.deviantart.com/art/Ser-Gregor-Clegane-34527555
    Status: Armed and most certainly lethal and dangerous

    If seen, contact local authorities. Please send a raven to Doran Martell, c/o Sunspear, Dorne, immediately.

    Valar Morghulis

  259. tysnow
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    GreenJones,

    Tyrion is always asking “where all the whores go?”; but it is Davos that finds out they all go to Skagos.

  260. WildSeed
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone: when I saw you mention “BB” I thought for a moment you meant “Big Brother” which is a reality show in the UK

    OldeCrone: WildSeed, I’m not sure what you mean about abbreviations.

    My comments were referencing these assertions, no worries. Internet jargon and
    Acronyms are necessary for most, whom find it essential to fast communication.
    Sometimes the Chat Shorthand is universally understood, sometimes it isn’t.
    I believe the use of Slang confuses, at least it does for me. Colloquialisms were
    once my largest issue, while traveling, now it’s compounded by slang and acronyms.

    I realise my issue raised was well beyond your earlier points about the BB initials,
    I just took a moment to whine about an indirect related problem. ( :

  261. WildSeed
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Please, oh wild one, no matter how furious, serious, giddy or silly it gets in here, don’t “take leave” of these threads for long. We need you in here! Perspectives abound in these threads, many are raw and many well-stated, but I always look forward to where your thoughts lead us (and your interesting use of punctuation!).
    ;-)

    *>* !

  262. WildSeed
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: WHAT?!?!! ┻━┻ヽ(`Д´)ノ彡┻━┻

    That’s awesome, how did you accomplish that ? !

  263. WildSeed
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Surreal. Your words ring true, my friend.

  264. GreenJones
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Kris,

    tysnow,

    So Davos will meet with the ladies in ep. six or seven, hmm. I think this must have something to do with Salladhor Saan. On Samantha Bentley (the NSFW girl)’s twitter, a picture she took after filming shows her in a sort of “exotic” costume that looks like something from Essos. This and the name Lhara lead me to believe that these may be Lysene girls. Probably not in Lys but Saan could very well have them aboard his ship.

  265. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,
    copy-paste :P

  266. Bard
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Jacarb: So this is what I’m talking about. Thanks for the example.

    You might note that I allowed for the possibility that she is Gregor’s victim, but that the main point of my argument is that there’s no way the scene will be shown.

    Well, we’ll have to wait until next spring to see if and how they’ll deal with this situation in episode 1.

  267. Tereeza 777
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Tereeza777,

    Oh man… please don’t mention Todd (aka Meth Damon) ever again! So creepy.

    Lex,
    You’re right – Todd is creepy, and he looks so much like ‘Meth’ Damon. The actor who plays him sings and plays guitar in a band called “Cowboy and Indian”. Here’s a song – pretty cool – they could almost use it in BB.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15jLW3MT7E
    And thanks for posting the GRRM blog – they talked about that today. But I think it should be “House Heisenberg” instead of “House White.”
    http://www.hypable.com/2013/09/16/game-of-thrones-george-r-r-martin-breaking-bad-reaction/

  268. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Off-topic:
    HBO has apparently greenlit The Leftovers. The show sounds rather interesting…

    Damon Lindeloff is involved in it. I’ll pass.

  269. Jim
    Posted September 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully *someone* gets cast as Mia Stone. Not this lady, she’s not very experienced.

  270. WildSeed
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Tereeza 777,

    ( : meth Damon, so true. Thanks for the links too !

  271. Jentario
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 2:51 am | Permalink

    GreenJones,

    Maybe at the Mole Town brothel?

  272. OldeCrone
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 6:19 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s By-child’s “Most Wanted” post was really funny I thought. Well done Hodor’s B. Slightly off topic, but already mentioned in this thread, I’ve been trying to think about possible good-looking blonde actresses for Val – my old brain thought perhaps Emilia Fox. She is a good-looking blonde. On the minus side she is quite well on in her thirties though she could easily pass for younger. On the plus side she has already buckled a swash on screen (in “Merlin”) and I believe she does martial arts as a hobby. Realistically, I think she would probably be too busy with the UK series “Silent Witness” (which is a bit like a British version of CSI only it started before CSI). I also thought perhaps Billie Piper but she might be too high profile. If the series “Once Upon a Time” (which I hate with all my heart) should be cancelled, the actress who played Emma might fit the bill, but I don’t think it’s very likely to be cancelled just yet. Or maybe Poppy Montgomery from the late, lamented “Without a Trace” but again she may be too high profile.

  273. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    I beat this like a dead horse but Anna Torv of Fringe would be a great, slightly aged up Val. She has this hard but attractive look to her, she’s a GoT fan and a good actress to boot. Another possibility would be Yvonne Strahovski but she has a new series coming up. A third possibility would be another Australian Georgina Haig who played Torv’s grown up daughter on Fringe.

  274. OldeCrone
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I don’t know that show (i.e. Fringe) or the three actresses you mention so can’t really judge. If I get a chance to watch it I’ll try to make a judgement. I wouldn’t be surprised if they go for an unknown but it’s fun to indulge in some fan-casting now and again. As a UK citizen I’m pleased to see so many of my fellow country-folk being cast but I have no objection to people from other countries being cast provided they have the “acting chops”. Any fan-casting I have done has tended to be for UK or Irish or American persons as most of the TV programmes we get come from those countries (though there have been some Scandinavian and French ones creeping in lately).

  275. The Blue Grace
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Jim:
    Hopefully *someone* gets cast as Mia Stone.Not this lady, she’s not very experienced.

    It may be her first TV role, but she’s done quite a bit of theatre work and short films. Maisie Williams and Sophie Turner were beginning actresses, too, that doesn’t have to mean anything.

    That aside, I always imagined Mya to be a bit tougher. You know, more the Katee Sackhoff type – only dark-haired, and a bit younger, obviously. Kate Bracken from Being Human is a very popular fancast, and though I only know her in very modern looking attires and haircuts, I could see someone like her in this role (if she ever gets cast, and is kept at this age – I think it is likelier they give Gendry a sister than a brother, if anything, but I’m not at all sure she’ll really be older).

  276. Ours is the Fury
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Sarine Sofair
    Lhara, GAME OF THRONES , Fire and Blood Productions/HBO , Alik Sakharov.

    That character name has a brothel-lady-of-the-week feel.

  277. WildSeed
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone: Billie Piper

    I don’t see Billie Piper as ” high profile “, perhaps in the UK, but not for most US
    audiences. I think she’s an excellent consideration for the role of Val or Dalla,
    if only she’d give GoT production the time of day. I did give her consideration
    for the portrayal, long before your mention. I also reason that Benioff & Weiss
    likely have a different perception of Val’s character than she is depicted in the
    books. This may have some impact on whom or what the role is all about. I
    really hope that they get this right. Maybe it’s a work in progress, still. There’s
    been a whole lot of secrecy about the role, for more than a full season now. All
    we’ve since last year are rumours……. even before naming Bryndan Tully.

  278. WildSeed
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: Being Human

    That’s one of my favourite BBC broadcast, the final season has already past. I
    do not recall this actress from the series. Was she in a guest role ? All the regulars
    seem too mature for Mya Stone’s character.

  279. WildSeed
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Anna Torv would be a joy to watch, but I’m not sure of her role on GoT. She
    would excel in any role , though. I prefer has as strong character, nothing
    wimpy, as she’s done in some cinema.

  280. Mormegil
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: That’s one of my favourite BBC broadcast, the final season has already past. I
    do not recall this actress from the series. Was she in a guest role ? All the regulars
    seem too mature for Mya Stone’s character.

    Kate Bracken was Alex the ghost in the final season.

  281. GreenJones
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Well the Mole’s Town madam is going to be in an Alex Graves directed episode. I can’t imagine Davos going to Mole’s Town in the Alik Sakharov directed episodes that these girls are appearing in. But who knows. I would hope the Mole’s Town girls are dressed more warmly than the picture of the “costume” on twitter.

  282. OldeCrone
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 8:37 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    It’s probably all academic because I’ve today read that Billie Piper has signed to do a “Showtime” series – whomsoever Showtime may be.

  283. WildSeed
    Posted September 18, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Mormegil,

    Thanks, I misremembered her name . I do remember Alex from the final two
    seasons. It took a bit getting used to her character, following Annie. The
    BBC- America final season was pre-empted several times, sometimes aired
    at midnight, with the last few episodes exiting on a cloud of disappointment.
    I miss Hal, already.

    I’m still envisioning an athletic or fit sure footed type, for
    the role of May Stone. I don’t see Ms Kraken filling those
    boots. She seems more an accomplice for the likes of Asha
    Greyjoy. I hope Mya is petite or lithe and quite the rock climber.

  284. Ross
    Posted September 19, 2013 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Midori,

    First role on TV and she is horrifically gang raped…. Got to start somewhere I guess

  285. Graotron.com.pl
    Posted September 25, 2013 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    Too bad that Dempsey starts her television adventure with such an unsignificant role.

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