Saturday’s GoT Laughs: RomCom
By Hear Me Roar on in Humor.

Another version of those “what if Thrones was a romantic comedy” thingies. Not half bad.


148 Comments

  1. Grijnwaald
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

    This is rather funny!

  2. The Young Wolf
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Only thing that made me laugh was Morgan Freeman.

  3. Arkash
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    And Morgan Freeman !

  4. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    LMFAO!!! Right up the same alley as recent discussions! Thx!

  5. Loki
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    genius video, so funny

  6. Clob
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Thought maybe PD’s singing on Sesame Street would be up here. Pretty goofy. Dinklage doesn’t do too bad with singing either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkj4i-QjWrQ

  7. Second Daughter
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Too bad they didn’t do something similar with a couple (of sorts) that at least showed some sense of consent in their relationship (and didn’t include a teenager) or mutual emotions – Jaime and Brienne would present the perfect material for that…

  8. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter: Too bad they didn’t do something similar with a couple (of sorts) that at least showed some sense of consent in their relationship (and didn’t include a teenager) or mutual emotions – Jaime and Brienne would present the perfect material for that…

    Perhaps this might suffice…
    http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/901957/game-of-thrones-as-a-rom-com-trailer.jhtml

  9. WildSeed
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Could not resist a chuckle, LOL. Seems to tie in to recent discussions of
    Sansa……. and taboo subjects. *>* Morgan Freeman plays God, again ( :

  10. King Tommen
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter:
    Too bad they didn’t do something similar with a couple (of sorts) that at least showed some sense of consent in their relationship (and didn’t include a teenager) or mutual emotions – Jaime and Brienne would present the perfect material for that…

    You sound like a real hoot to be around at parties.

  11. Second Daughter
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,
    Considering how quickly you’ll jump to personal attacks for no reason whatsoever I don’t think I’m the one who needs to worry. I simply think there are pairings on GoT that lend themselves to the ‘romcom’ genre and Tyrion and Sansa are far from that.

  12. King Tommen
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter:
    King Tommen,
    Considering how quickly you’ll jump to personal attacks for no reason whatsoever I don’t think I’m the one who needs to worry. I simply think there are pairings on GoT that lend themselves to the ‘romcom’ genre and Tyrion and Sansa are far from that.

    The point of these types of parodies is to take out-of-context clips of a show/movie of one genre and edit them together to create the illusion of a completely different genre. It shows how easily one can create a short trailer for something that so falsely portrays the tone and content of the original work. The joke is that clearly, this relationship is the furthest thing away from a rom-com situation but if we just include these specific clips, add music and edit the piece in a way familiar to other rom-com movies, then we can create this illusion.

    If you just picked another relationship on the show that is closer to being “rom-com”, then the joke is lessened. It’s in the contrast. The fact that you watched this and immediately jumped to the conclusion that the creators thought that this was a great relationship on GoT probably indicates your sense of humour is not entirely really that developed. Hence “party-pooper”.

  13. Second Daughter
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,
    If I’ve lost all my humour regarding this relationship then that’s mainly due to people shoving ‘Sansa should be grateful to be married to Tyrion’ down my throat. I do think it’s a difficult subject . I didn’t say the trailer as such wasn’t funny, I’d just much prefer to see this done as either a more biting parody or with adults. No idea why you’d feel the need to attack me for saying that…

  14. Serjeant Grumbles
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    It was an alright parody until they decided to rape my ears with that Call Me Maybe shit.

  15. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny because it’s creepy. They should do other creepy pairings. How about Gendry/Melisandre or Theon/Ramsay?

  16. Roger König
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Hilarious!

  17. WildSeed
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 10:09 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter:
    King Tommen,
    If I’ve lost all my humour regarding this relationship then that’s mainly due to people shoving ‘Sansa should be grateful to be married to Tyrion’ down my throat. I do think it’s a difficult subject . I didn’t say the trailer as such wasn’t funny, I’d just much prefer to see this done as either a more biting parody or with adults. No idea why you’d feel the need to attack me for saying that…

    Neither do I, understand why….. but I agree with your assertions, above. The current
    parody is cute, in a teen-Carly Rae Jepson-perspective. The elocution and full effect
    would appeal on that level. There have been other parodies forwarded here for
    weekend humour, similar to what you’d described, and no doubt WiC will forward
    additional in the future. I viewed the one Hodor’s Bastard set a link to, you may
    try out that one.

    I’m not a fan of many of the parodies or goofy aspects, with romance the least liked,
    but I thought this one captured the damsel personality of Sansa, quite well.

  18. Arthur
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Here’s some cool news:

    Tyrion will get his own little booklet coming out next month on Oct 29th… Courtesy of GRRM himself…

    http://hbowatch.com/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-tyrion-lannister-arrives-in-october/

  19. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Arthur: Here’s some cool news:Tyrion will get his own little booklet coming out next month on Oct 29th… Courtesy of GRRM himself…http://hbowatch.com/the-wit-and-wisdom-of-tyrion-lannister-arrives-in-october/

    Yeah…there are quite a few ASoI&F-related products coming out in the next few months to sate the ever-growing fanbase…Amazon has even dedicated a sub-site to GoT/ASoI&F products. There’s lots of $$$ to be made as GoT grows in popularity.

  20. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 21, 2013 at 11:47 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Neither do I, understand why….. but I agree with your assertions, above. The currentparody is cute, in a teen-Carly Rae Jepson-perspective. The elocution and full effectwould appeal on that level. There have been other parodies forwarded here forweekend humour, similar to what you’d described, and no doubt WiC will forwardadditional in the future. I viewed the one Hodor’s Bastard set a link to, you maytry out that one.I’m not a fan of many of the parodies or goofy aspects, with romance the least liked,but I thought this one captured the damsel personality of Sansa, quite well.

    Admittedly, the link in my response to Second Daughter was very tame and PG-13, which I believe is what she wanted.

    However, as King Tommen obviously implied, GoT is not a tame show, not PG-13 in any way, shape or form. It is an R-rated (at the very least), adult show that “modestly” represents GRRM’s invented world & stories, which are very strongly-scripted adult approaches to medievil fantasy. They require a certain tolerance and suspension of disbelief of traditional morals and ethics. Part of what makes the show so fascinating is its depiction of many layers of evil and shock factors woven into a robust, intriguing tale that is full of symbolism and debateable elements.

    Hence, parodies of this exceptional, maniacal and cerebral tale will focus on the bizarre. If they test your ideology and tolerance levels, as well as cause a chuckle or two, then they have done their job well. Let’s just have fun while it lasts.

    Robin Williams once said it best….”Joke ‘em if they can’t take a fuck.” ;-)

  21. outdoorcats
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Clob,

    Oh my goodness, did anyone else click on this? Peter Dinklage on Sesame Street!!

    Top comment-> “And then half the cast died.” XD

  22. AnneL
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    OT now that Copper has been cancelled how about Tom Weston-Jones getting a role on GOT?

  23. MRR
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 2:45 am | Permalink

    Serjeant Grumbles:
    It was an alright parody until they decided to rape my ears with that Call Me Maybe shit.

    Agreed. I actually thought this was a pretty decent parody—a little heavy-handed maybe, but decent—and then CRJ was heard and all in the world was terrible. Can’t the world forget that song already?

  24. Second Daughter
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Perhaps this might suffice…
    http://www.vh1.com/video/misc/901957/game-of-thrones-as-a-rom-com-trailer.jhtml

    Forgot to say, thanks for that but unfortunately they’re unable to offer this video to users in my region… and no, I certainly don’t need things to be PG-13. If I overreacted then that’s simply due to being sick of the often very genuine implication by some fans that Tyrion and Sansa have romantic potential. But I’ve said this before. Apologies. And thank you very much WildSeed!

  25. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Second Daughter: Forgot to say, thanks for that but unfortunately they’re unable to offer this video to users in my region… and no, I certainly don’t need things to be PG-13. If I overreacted then that’s simply due to being sick of the often very genuine implication by some fans that Tyrion and Sansa have romantic potential. But I’ve said this before. Apologies. And thank you very much WildSeed!

    I woke up this morning and realized I got a little soap-boxy in my response as I watched a repeat of SNL last night, which tries, and sometimes succeeds, to be comically edgy. It seems that the “Brienne/Jaime romcom” video that I linked to is being taken down for copyright reasons. Weird.

    There is so much atrocious, awkward and horrific behavior implied in ASoI&F/GoT that it is often refreshing to see the fanbase (and sometimes the actors) blowing off steam with goofy parodies. It reflects genuine passion for the show, not any sort of real intent…it amazes me that there is actual confusion/contention there.

    Then again, I once attended a church service during which the pastor gave a sermon on how the “Da Vinci Code” could not be factual. WtF? I felt insulted that the “church” needed to remind folks that a work of fiction was not real. Hypocrisy is always within reach, at all levels of society. (I think GRRM is fascinated by religious behavior and has fun with the religions of Westeros and Essos because of the implied hypocrisy). Ever since that sermon, I have pursued an inner faith that tends not be so “insecure.”

  26. Liesie
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    That was quite a believable trailer for a RomCom :o *shocked*

  27. King in the North Carolina
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    King Tommen: The point of these types of parodies is to take out-of-context clips of a show/movie of one genre and edit them together to create the illusion of a completely different genre.It shows how easily one can create a short trailer for something that so falsely portrays the tone and content of the original work.The joke is that clearly, this relationship is the furthest thing away from a rom-com situation but if we just include these specific clips, add music and edit the piece in a way familiar to other rom-com movies, then we can create this illusion.

    If you just picked another relationship on the show that is closer to being “rom-com”, then the joke is lessened.It’s in the contrast.

    This. And I’d have thought it’d be obvious, but apparently not.

  28. KG
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    One of the better fake trailers I’ve seen. The guy doing the voiceover way overdid it though.

    … and how hard would it have been to get a shot of Morgan Freeman from “Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves” so he’d be dressed in the same vein?

    That’s the sort of thing that drives me nuts >_<

  29. John
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 1:04 pm | Permalink
  30. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    John: Could GoT spoilers be weaponised? Amusing article http://theoccasionalpigeon.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/al-qaeda-chiefs-911-message-bring-down.html

    Like something “The Onion” would publish….funny!

  31. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Meh. Not bad.

    Off topic (as usual) : Pedro Pascal now tops the poll as best new casting addition of season 4. Took a while, but sanity prevailed in the end. Of course I will eat my hat gratefuly if his performance doesn’t pan out.

    But I have a feeling he’s going to blow everyone away.

  32. Alice
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    OT : Has anyone seen this fabulous fanmade film titled “A tale of Benjen Stark” ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGqdsMSkges

  33. GeekFurious
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Some people are born to be miserable. Others make an effort at it.

  34. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hmmm………. I did not perceive the poster’s complaint as having anything to do
    with the show, from that perspective.

    Second Daughter: If I’ve lost all my humour regarding this relationship then that’s mainly due to people shoving ‘Sansa should be grateful to be married to Tyrion’ down my throat. I do think it’s a difficult subject . I didn’t say the trailer as such wasn’t funny, I’d just much prefer to see this done as either a more biting parody or with adults.

    Unless I’ve missed her point, entirely, my comment referenced hers, above, where
    the subject is viewed with ” some” controversy , it’s the manner of ridicule and
    ongoing focus. From what I’ve read in the last few months, many comments
    here have contributed to a baser level regarding Sanas’s sexuality rather than
    the understood historical reality of young brides in any culture or historical
    period. The pairings , understood in the most pragmatic way, meant political
    bargain. GRRM has expressed throughout ASOIAF, as any prose based on
    wider historical perspective of matrimony. GoT or any network drama has
    referenced this as well. To reduce this understanding to a baser level of sex
    with a minor is beneath me. It’s no wonder that Ours is the Fury has had to
    intervene.

    I realise that many in modern society find distaste in these political matrimonial
    pairings, and I respect that. It does not erase what has been practiced for centuries
    around the globe ( and in some remote areas, remain in practice ). Since most
    now globally, practice a progressive and civil practice regarding this.

    However, for perhaps other than political leanings, we still have a disturbing
    practice where child brides are concerned. I cannot illustrate that more than
    with this recent article in the Mail ( UK ) article, dated 9 Sept 2013 :
    ” An 8 y/o Yemeni Child Bride died of internal bleeding sustained during
    her wedding night, after being forced to marry a man five times her age. ”

    I understand too that a Parody is an opportunity to mock or even trivialize certain,
    if most topics, and I accept that . However I also respect an individual’s right
    to draw the boundary line where it should end. As for myself, I found the subject
    post rather amusing, and made a comment as such. However had this been a
    parody or ” joke ” about political distinctions in it’s regard to ethnicity “, then
    I find that no laughing matter. Some things , in hindsight are regrettable if
    shameful subjects, the reality of that is quite ominous.

  35. Eleanor
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter:
    Too bad they didn’t do something similar with a couple (of sorts) that at least showed some sense of consent in their relationship (and didn’t include a teenager) or mutual emotions – Jaime and Brienne would present the perfect material for that…

    But Second Daughter, that was the point. It was so completely skewed! “He’s a dwarf!/She’s a child!” was the funniest bit. Jaime/Brienne might have been cute but it wouldn’t have been so funny.

  36. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Clob:
    Thought maybe PD’s singing on Sesame Street would be up here.Pretty goofy.Dinklage doesn’t do too bad with singing either.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkj4i-QjWrQ

    I hope his little girl gets to treasure this , in the years to come. Simon gets to
    live on in Rock music genre style….. nice.

  37. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:16 pm | Permalink

    Eleanor: But Second Daughter, that was the point. It was so completely skewed! “He’s a dwarf!/She’s a child!” was the funniest bit. Jaime/Brienne might have been cute but it wouldn’t have been so funny.

    That part had me really chuckling too, and the very ” teeny bopper ” method to it.

  38. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Let’s go Lena Dunham.

  39. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    AnneL,

    I read the piece in ” Variety ” news press, I really liked that series too. There were
    some uneven episodes, but loads better than ” Being Human “, in the last
    tow seasons. There’s much room now for better replacements. the new Doctor
    Who season needs to prove itself, and Orphan Black has got o with a strong
    showing.

  40. Second Daughter
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Yes, I’m sorry, as I said earlier – I overreacted. It was a bad day and it simply made me uncomfortable.
    Unrelated but… is there no WiC Awards poll this week…?!

  41. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Hodor’s Bastard, …..I find that no laughing matter. Some things , in hindsight are regrettable if shameful subjects, the reality of that is quite ominous.

    Ok!

    By the way, I just read Bloodchild by your favorite author. I rather enjoy her writing style. Thanks for the reference. It was a shame she died so “young”. I’m gonna read her “Patternist” series next.

    On a related note….Good luck, GoT, at the Emmy’s tonight! In a recent article, the Washington Post had some positive thoughts toward GoT’s nominations….although as we know well, the competition is incredibly stiff.

  42. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Anna Gunn. Deadwood alum represent.

  43. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Sorry I got all professorial ‘……..

    Octavia Butler’s ” Patternist ” series is challenging, as with all of her book series.
    I think I began with her ” Xenogenesis ” series, but my favourite remains ” Wildseed “.
    I believe the Patternist series continues what was perceived in WS.

  44. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Second Daughter,

    No worries……… Polls, still waiting, for the results as well.

  45. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I must insist upon your reading ” Kindred “

  46. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Hodor’s Bastard, I must insist upon your reading ” Kindred ”

    Ok…just downloaded to my Kindle. It’s in my queue. I’ll read that first before WS. Thx.

    By the way, Lena Headey looks crazy good on the pre-Emmy red carpet show.

  47. House Snow
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Why no emmy thread??

  48. Harry Lime
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    The Young Wolf:
    Only thing that made me laugh was Morgan Freeman.

    He’ll be the Kindly Man. Just you wait…

  49. Abyss
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    Harry Lime,

    That would actually be kinda awesome! – There is no way in hell that it would ever happen, but it would still be kinda awsome.

  50. WildSeed
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    maybe tomorrow ? or if GoT, Dinklage and/or Clarke wins an award.

  51. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Anna Gunn.Deadwood alum represent.

    Word

  52. Maester Tcost
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    The writing award went to a dead recipient, and Emilia lost out to an actress from the final season of an acclaimed series. No dishonor there. On the other hand, there has been very little in the way of clips from GoT that I’ve caught on the Emmycast, which is a little bit of a dis.

  53. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I don’t want to sound insensitive or like a prick, honestly, but I’ve always thought that it’s a bit silly to give an award to a dead person who cannot enjoy his/her prize anymore instead of someone who is still alive and working. The nomination should suffice, IMO.
    It’s only a personal opinion, of course.

  54. Maester Tcost
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Bobby Cannavale from Boardwalk Empire just beat out Peter Dinklage.

    Memorial awards are a longstanding tradition. Unless or until the rules about this kind of nomination are changed, it will go on happening. The Emmycast is making a big deal about remembering those who passed away in the last twelve months as well.

  55. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    GYP!!!!!!!!!

  56. House Snow
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    I can’t believe Canavale won. He was the one person who shouldn’t have even been nominated let alone win. LOL

  57. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Maester Tcost,

    Rightly so. Gyp Rossitti is an amazing performance and character.

  58. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    House Snow,

    Shame shame

  59. Rygar
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:42 pm | Permalink

    Yes. The Emmys mean balls

  60. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Maester Tcost:
    Bobby Cannavale from Boardwalk Empire just beat out Peter Dinklage.

    At this point it’s clear that GoT won’t win anything. Which is hardly surprising.
    “It’s fantasy, not serious drama, herpaderp”.

    And, wow. Bryan Cranston didn’t win. Wtf? If anyone deserved best actor, if was him.
    He should’ve stood up and shout “Say my name!”.

  61. House Snow
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Well if there is good news for GOT its that HBO is cleaning up right now so maybe they can grab the best drama win.

  62. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    I liked Bobby Cannavale on Boardwalk Empire, but he was the last man I thought would win. I thought it would be Aaron Paul again or Jonathan Banks.
    And Bryan Cranston not winning is bullshit. 100% pure bullshit.

  63. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy:

    And Bryan Cranston not winning is bullshit. 100% pure bullshit.

    Agreed.

  64. Clob
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:00 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think Claire Danes deserved it either. Homeland season 2 itself was a big step down from its first season. I just said “bs” to myself when they read her name. If it wins anything else I’ll quit watching

  65. Maester Tcost
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Emilia Clark just got to announce that Diana Rigg did not win the Emmy this year.

  66. LordStarkington
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Jeff Daniels winning this year made me laugh out loud.

  67. dogs
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Welp.

  68. Arthur
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:14 pm | Permalink

    Sorry for saying this to all the Breaking Bad fans but really…

    Who gives a shit about a bunch of drug dealers…

    The most boring worse Emmys ever.

    Oh well, GoT merchandise, DVD sales and HBO subscriptions are greater than anything Breaking Bad has sold.

    The free market decides the real winners not the Emmys… GoT > BB.

  69. The Purist
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Great Emmy Awards this year! No major awards were given to Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum aka D&D. Can’t wait to see the GoT fanboys getting all butthurt because apparently there’s no other good show out there besides their precious show they worship. Breaking Bad this year took the hype away from Rains of Castamere. Honestly if you take away the deaths of major characters, it was a mediocre episode at best. Keep on whining, fanboys!

    Arthur,

    Case in point. LOL. If GoT have won best series, you fanboys would go mental. What sore losers. BB is better written and acted than GoT will be, as long as the terrible duo are show runners of GoT. Deal with it. Keep bragging about merchandise & DVD sales and ratings as they aren’t major factors in what people consider to be great shows. I suppose The Wire and Deadwood sucked because their ratings and DVD sales were never that high. Really bragging about merchandise? If D&D were boasting about that, shows what hacks they are.

  70. Maester Tcost
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    The Purist,

    Did you happen to see Up with Steve Kornacki today? It was all about hate-watching. This isn’t TWOP, and while that doesn’t mean that there isn’t a place here for legitimate criticism, I, for one, do not welcome trolls.

  71. outdoorcats
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Ah, we were shut out. Too bad.

  72. Arthur
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    The Purist,

    What people like is expressed by what they spend their hard earned money on not what some “academy of the arts” deems worthy.

    That’s the case and point. It always has been and always will be.

    Let me ask you something, what is the most inportant thing a “for profit” entertainment corporation like HBO cares about. Ill give you a hint, it’s not Emmys. It’s making money.

    Emmys are a nice addition and can be used for bragging rights but the people decide the real winners by voting with their wallets.

    Count the wallet votes, the votes that really count, and without question GoT is the winner and it’s only going into it’s fourth season.

    Drug dealers… Really? That’s so original.

  73. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    I love Game Of Thrones, it’s a fine show, fine adaptation, very well made and acted.
    Breaking Bad is miles ahead of everything else currently on TV, from every possible point of view. It’s a perfect show.

    Merchandize sales are not connected to the quality, it’s like saying that Britney Spears is a great artist because she sells millions of albums.

  74. Delta1212
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    You’re right, and at its height American Idol was better than Game of Thrones will ever be. The free market has spoken.

  75. Valdred Dethstorm
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy:
    I love Game Of Thrones, it’s a fine show, fine adaptation, very well made and acted.
    Breaking Bad is miles ahead of everything else currently on TV, from every possible point of view. It’s a perfect show.

    Merchandize sales are not connected to the quality, it’s like saying that Britney Spears is a great artist because she sells millions of albums.

    Agreed, again. I’ve to catch up yet with a lot of chapters of BB, but Bryan Cranston is just amazing, same with the other actors. It’s overall a great show, and while I prefer GoT, I won’t bash BB. It’s cool that it won the Emmy (though I still cannot explain why Cranston didn’t win, oh well).
    Maybe Thrones will have a better chance after BB has ended, but man…I’m wondering what they’re going to do with FFC and DWD, not to mention there’s still no WOW.

  76. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    Or any of those fucking Transformers movies are better than almost any other movie.

  77. Arthur
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    People paid to watch American idol? They bought the season DVDs and T-Shirts?

    I thought American Idol was on basic cable and what were its last season DVD sales?

    Nice try though!

    Lets not compare apples and oranges.

  78. The Purist
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Yeah, that’s why HBO keep making these artsy shows that mainstream audience are usual turned off and go on these rigorous campaigns in getting their shows to win major awards. Face it, winning major awards like the Emmys and getting praises from respected critics are just as important to HBO as merchandise & DVD sales. If those are far more important than awards and critics’ reviews, HBO would constantly show procedural & reality shows and low brow comedies like Two & A Half Men. Anyway keep getting angry, because you know if GoT won you would have been praising the Emmys. Your rant shows you’re a typical GoT fanboy.

    Okay fine, I’ll conform:

    GGRRRR!!! I’M ANGRY THAT GOT DIDN”T WIN!!! ALL THE OTHER SHOW SUCKS!!! GOT HAVE HIGHER DVD SALES, SO IT’S BETTER!!!. I”M FOAMING AT THE MOUTH SO BAD !!! There everyone, happy now?

    Alex Greyjoy,

    What!?! So you’re telling me Justin Bieber is one of the greatest musicians ever!! But his albums sold millions and got millions of Twitter followers and other crap like that!!! The illusion has been broken…

  79. Arthur
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    You can all disagree with me I don’t really care what you think.

    But in this world profit > Emmys.

    Make any comparison you’d like with Britney Spears or Transformers.

    Emmys don’t pay for production costs. Profabilty does. You can dig at what I said all you want but that fact will not change.

    So harp on with it all you want you academy of the arts, artistic and intellectual judges of what’s well done and not well done.

    Your opinion is free, the DVDs cost about 60 bucks a season. What do you think is more important to HBO executives?

  80. Delta1212
    Posted September 22, 2013 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    I’m not comparing apples to oranges. American Idol generates revenue based on how many people watch it. At it’s peak, that number was an average 30 million per episode, live. In 2007, it was generating $100 million in revenue without counting things like foreign syndication or artist and performance sales.

    If you want to talk free market evaluation, you look at money, not number of novelty mugs sold. More people watched American Idol, live, at its peak than watch Game of Thrones total, including pirates.

  81. Maester Tcost
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    It’s foolish to think that HBO isn’t concerned with awards, in part because that does reflect on the bottom line.

    American Idol wasn’t on basic cable, it is and always has been a broadcast show, and is, in terms of both ratings and ad rates, by far the most successful show in the history of television.

    As was mentioned again and again on the Emmycast, this is one of the greatest years in the history of television, and GoT is playing in the same league with the award winners. That’s nothing to disregard.

  82. Arthur
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    The Purist,

    I have stated every year during Emmy season for the past 3 years on this site that I don’t care about the Emmys and as long as viewership stays high and DVD/Merchandise sales do well that GoT fans have nothing to worry about.

    Winning an Emmy would of been nice. Am I a little upset that GoT didn’t win, sure…

    Does Breaking Bad getting an Emmy mean the majority of television viewers in the world think BB is a better show? Absolutely not…

    So how do we gauge what the world population views as the better show? Maybe, just maybe by sales?

    Or maybe the Emmy award is the end all be all judgement of television quality…

  83. Arthur
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    I don’t mean to argue with you but you are comparing apples and oranges in the sense that the viewers of American Idol created revenue for AI by simply watching it.

    They didn’t go directly into their wallets and pay a subscription fee, buy and DVDs or merchandise.

    You are totally correct about them watching AI causing the commercial spots to sell for top dollar but I’m not talking about just ratings.

    I’m talking about being a passionate fan of the show and pulling out your credit card to directly purchase merchandise.

    You make great points but I’m not trying to nitpick with you…

  84. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Just to point out, if you’re going to rate quality based on how much money fans are willing to spend on DVDs and merchandise, then Power Rangers is a much better show than The Wire.

  85. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Rygar: Word

    Anna Gunn is brilliant as Skylar White, Heisenberg’s wife. I’m not familiar with her
    previous work, so I had to look up her real name.

  86. Arthur
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    Yes, parents spend a lot of money buying things to make their kids happy.

    Great point!

    I will put that along with the Britney Spears, Transformers and any other kiddie products anyone in this thread wants to point out that made lots of money.

    Another apples and oranges…

    Keep em coming!

  87. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy,

    No argument there . Breaking Bad will be missed, big props to superb direction
    and script.

  88. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Alright, then let’s pick a show that plenty of adults buy the merchandise and DVDs for themselves (sometimes for the kids, but I think for themselves at least as often). In fact, let’s pick the show with the.highest gross revenue from merchandise and DVD sales in the history of television.

    The best television series ever made according to your “fans of the show spending the most money on it” criteria is: The Simpsons

    By a lot.

    Genuine question: Are you willing to stand by that result for the best TV show ever made?

  89. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:41 am | Permalink

    Maester Tcost,

    Agreed, and balanced retrospection. Another thing, AMC is no longer the network
    of vintage movies and re-runs.

    I had to laugh out loud about American Idol and that ilk, I’ve never viewed a single
    show. Reality shows are silly. I’ve viewed a designer show once, it only convinced me to turn off the TV and do a bit of sewing for myself, instant gratification .

  90. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    I love ASOIAF and the series Game of Thrones. But Breaking Bad deserves every award it gets. For me BB winning the Emmy is like The Wire winning the Emmy.

    If GoT brings it’s A Game next season which the narrative of the last half of A Storm of Swords demands, it will be a sweep next year. And BB got its singular Emmy I think. I felt the vibe that this was all the love Breaking Bad is going to get.

  91. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    High five for Anna Gunn! If you like her style she also appears in the 2nd and 3rd season of Deadwood.

  92. Arthur
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    I don’t know if you don’t understand what I’m saying or are just trying to argue with me. So ill try to explain it the best I can and then if you don’t get it I’m not going to continue arguing and just concede.

    Okay, different TV shows, music, movies are developed for a different target audience. For instance, Power Rangers is a kid show targeting kids right. So they make a show for kids with themes and quality designed for kids. The TV show then depends on kids loving their show and getting their patents to allow them to watch it and buy the merchandise. The quality of the show as far as character development and storylines will be poor because… IT’S FOR KIDS! But hey, that’s their audience and they did extremely well.

    Lets now take The Simpsons. That’s a cartoon that kids and adults can watch. The adults can enjoy the adult undertones that will go over their watching children’s heads and the children will enjoy the fact it’s a cartoon so the whole family can sit there and laugh together. It’s a great way to keep the kids busy while the adults enjoy the adult themes that go undetected by their children. So that’s The Simpsons target audience and they created a great show for that audience. Are the characters and storyline of a high quality development? No, their focus is immediate entertainment and one liners. Did they sell a lot and was it a successful show? Yes…

    Now lets take Game of Thrones. It’s target audience is YOU. A very smart adult that wants to enjoy being taking on a complex and twisty ride that includes lots of storylines, character development and adult themes. You also enjoy lots of drama and some fantasy elements thrown in to keep things interesting. So the quality level is set on a much higher bar. Does it sell as much as kiddie or family shows? No, not at all. Its target audience is much smaller. Does it sell a lot in comparison to similar shows with the same target audience? Hell yeah it does!

    This is my point and I’m done trying to explain it. I know you ain’t just trolling me because you’re a very active poster.

    Have a good night!

  93. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Another project to look forward to. I read a few references to the show, here.
    Never watched it, as it’s only been in recent years that I’ve watched television
    at all.

    Breaking Bad is ……..unapologetic ! RIP, Mike.

  94. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:08 am | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Deadwood is the best HBO series after The Wire in my IMHO. I will warn you that it is incomplete. Cancelled after only three seasons (actually more like set aside and then smothered). But you could logically end the show’s main story at the point that it expired.

  95. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I’m not arguing that Game of Thrones isn’t successful. I’m not arguing that it isn’t a great show. It is both of these things. I’m arguing that the number of T-Shirts sold is not actually a great metric for the quality of a show.

    If you want to say that Game of Thrones’ high DVD and merchandise sales demonstrates that it’s a great show in comparison to other high brow twisty dramas with fantasy elements, that’s fine, but then you’ve narrowed the scope to exclude Breaking Bad from the comparison, since it doesn’t include fantasy elements (except in the way that every show takes place in TV world instead of reality).

    And the fact that you say the quality is set much higher for something like Game of Thrones than for kiddie shows like Power Rangers and Transformers sort of makes my point. You’re making a determination of quality based off of something other than merchandise sales, which means you can’t use merchandise sales as a strict gauge for the quality of a show.

    I’m not arguing that Game of Thrones doesn’t sell a lot of merchandise for a show in it’s particular category. It obviously does. But the fact that we have to put it in that category before looking at the sales means that the sales aren’t the thing determining what category of quality it’s in. And your original point was that we should be looking at those sales as the ultimate judge of quality. That’s what I’m disagreeing with.

  96. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Nah, GOT will win in season 5 for a season that arguably might be it’s weakest, just like Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. The Emmy voters are always late to the party or quick to heap praise on the shiny new series. All joking aside, congrats to Breaking Bad. It was long overdue. Hopefully Game Of Thrones will get to suck on that teat one day.

  97. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:35 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I think the issue here for some us Arthur is that despite our love for the books, and to a certain high degree, for the series, when compared to other series of a greater calibre of writing, acting and filmmaking we feel GoT simply can’t compare.
    I am as skeptical of the Emmys as well. Which is why I am shocked at the several Emmys that Breaking Bad has accumulated over the past few years. To me, Breaking Bad is phenomenal television and to see it be rewarded is a great thing.
    It is an unfair comparison to be honest. Breaking Bad is not an adaptation. I dare say it has a series bible and we know for a fact that it’s budget is minuscule compared to GoT. While I feel Benioff and Weiss have made fumbles in the writing of the adaptation, the epic scale of the production presents other problems that smaller budget series like Breaking Bad do not have to deal with.

    Yet it’s the finished product that matters most and despite my love for the epic awesomeness of GoT, it just doesn’t reach the quality levels to place it along side what I feel are stronger series.

  98. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:37 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    HBO actually cancelled a few series, midstream. It’s unsettling. I was thoroughly
    enjoying ” In Treatment “, with Gabriel Byrne & Diane Wiest. That was still at
    a time where watching television, even at crazy hours ( like my schedule ), was
    no match for needed rest and regeneration.

    I’ve decided to skip the ” Rome ” series so many here suggested, to concentrate
    on a book list, but the show ” DeadWood ” , has sparked interest . I still place
    a limit on TV viewing, time is better spent in passionate efforts celebrating life…
    even if that means searching the night sky for constellations.

  99. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    There’s no shame in losing out to Breaking Bad. If anything, I thought BB might sweep every category it was in. It’s funny to see anybody claiming GoT fans are raging about it being shut out of the Emmys when only one person on here had anything negative to say about BB. It’s not a surprise that many are fans of both shows. They have a lot in common. They both contain dark subject matter and grey characters. They both focus on an antihero that gets progressively darker (Walter and Tyrion). Most of us here are pleased about B’s success I think. Everyone actually seems more annoyed about Bryan Cranston not winning. I hope he gets it next year.

    There were however, plenty of people whining in the comment section about fans choosing GoT over BB in the TWOP tubey awards. Perhaps people who like to make of GoT fans for supposedly being irrational rabid fanboys/girls are projecting.

  100. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy,

    What’s tragic is that Cannavale beat out Nicolaj Coster Waldau for the nomination. If Waldau had been nominated, the Emmy would have been his. I honestly believe that.

    But Cannavale should be applauded for taking a two dimensional character and shaping him into a dynamic, complex individual. This is what happens when the actor elevates weak writing.

  101. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:40 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Hear Hear !

    Night, all.

  102. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:55 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    Well, the person I was rooting for for Best Supporting Actor was a main character from The Station Agent, and the winner was a main character from The Station Agent, so by implication I guess I got what I wanted.

  103. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    Ha.

  104. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 2:34 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I think that is selling GOT the TV series a bit short. While it may not be at the level of The Sopranos,Breaking Bad, and The Wire, it would still rank in my top 5-7 cable TV shows of all-time. And that’s nothing to sneeze at. But I understand where you are coming from. I try my best to separate ASOIAF and GOT, but I am in love with these characters that GRRM created and that may cloud my judgement at times. I have no problem admitting that Breaking Bad and The Wire(which I’m in the process of watching for the first time) are better made shows, but I still enjoy GOT more, and that’s saying a lot considering how amazing BB is.

  105. Prince of Pentos
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    hahah, GoT didn’t win any Emmys. :-D I’m kind of happy, in a “tough love” kind of way…

    I feel the GoT production and cast has been getting a bit cocky, all these exaggerated compliments to each other, mutual butt-kissing galore. What happened to the modest origins?? They’re good, but not THAT good. Some things can always be improved.

  106. Lollius Palicanus
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:11 am | Permalink

    I really enjoyed The Wire and I’m enjoying Breaking Bad (I’ve only seen season 1), and I completely understand why Breaking Bad wins Emmys.
    What I have seen is a really good show, but on top of everything it has an easy time combining familiar or recognizable problems of everyday American life (cancer, American family values, a kid with a disability, cocky teenagers, …) with the unfamiliar (drug producing and dealing, …). One of the strengths of fantasy IMHO is that it seeks out the familiar elements of life through completely unfamiliar situations. Game of Thrones (yes, the show) does this quite good, but it takes effort and the genre is not loved by everyone.
    Because of my familiarity with the genre of fantasy and not being an American, personally I find GOT’s themes more recognizable than some elements in Breaking Bad, although I get where it comes from.
    Therefore, without believing that ‘the free market’ is the real judge of good television, I understand why GoT has a bigger international impact than BB, while BB receives Emmys (being American awards) and GoT does not. I personally think that writing, directing, acting are on par in both shows (from what I’ve see they both have their bad moments), with production value generally being somewhat greater in GoT. However, as I said I have only seen season 1, and the metacritic scores do seem to soar afterwards.

  107. boze
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos: I feel the GoT production and cast has been getting a bit cocky, all these exaggerated compliments to each other, mutual butt-kissing galore.

    What are you talking about exactly?

  108. A wildling Bastard
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:46 am | Permalink

    Prince of Pentos:
    hahah, GoT didn’t win any Emmys. :-D I’m kind of happy, in a “tough love” kind of way…

    I feel the GoT production and cast has been getting a bit cocky, all these exaggerated compliments to each other, mutual butt-kissing galore. What happened to the modest origins?? They’re good, but not THAT good. Some things can always be improved.

    yeah what are you talking about exactly ?!

  109. A wildling Bastard
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 6:03 am | Permalink

    I love Both GOT and Breaking bad .. but i love Got way more.. actually way waay more .. mainly because i loved every second of it! once the intro sequence starts, i’m already in Westeros .. yet breaking bad is great but i wouldn’t say i enjoyed it as much as Got :/ .. some parts bored me a bit, but i still love it. i’m not even mad it got an Emmy and Got didn’t.. Got still has more seasons to come and Emmys to win :) .. congrats for breaking Bad .. one more Episode to go ..

  110. Harry Lime
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    I’m actually kind of glad Dinklage didn’t win this year. If he had won for a second time, I don’t think Emmy voters would give the award to the same actor three years in a row (especially an actor from a fantasy show, and a show that isn’t their sacred cow, Breaking Bad). And let’s face it, as good as Dinklage was this year, season 4 should be his highest point in the show.

  111. Azzy Mahmood
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Wow, this thread went douche-tastic pretty quickly…

    I must be the only person who doesn’t enjoy Breaking Bad. It’s just so boring. And I have no interest in the subject matter either, just like GTAV. I couldn’t care less if it won all the Emmys, or none at all. Every time I read on WiC someone waffling on about BB it makes me scroll down the page that little bit faster.

    And I liked the Sansa/Tyrion vid, they’ve made a situation that on-screen was filled with anguish, reluctance and downright revulsion seem like a proper love affair. Kudos.

  112. Chrysee
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:18 am | Permalink

    It is embarrassing to see other fans react this way. The other shows nominated are all pretty much excellent. There is no shame in losing to a worthy opponent.

    To those who would say all the other best drama nominees are awful: It just makes GOT look super shitty that it couldn’t win against them then. Why is that any better? BB being great does not diminish GOT. Why can’t we be happy that all the nominees are good shows? The past decade saw nominees like CSI and Grey’s Anatomy! We should be thrilled at the state of television.

  113. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:43 am | Permalink

    Lollius Palicanus,

    Season 1 is great, but it does improve. A lot of that is simply that the show does character development exceedingly well. That applies for most of the cast, but Walter White in particular has perhaps the most interesting and well developed character arc ever put on television, a medium traditionally know for its static characters, over the run of the series.

    It’s also got some of the best cinematography of any show I’ve ever seen, but I’m not sure how obvious that is from just the first season. As much as I appreciate the quality of Game of Thrones production, there aren’t a lot of moments that really wow me with the directing, and with a few exceptions, the way the show is shot is fairly straightforward. Most of the notable visuals on Thrones (and there are many) are a result of very effective use of the largest FX budget on television, rather than creative use of the camera. Breaking Bad does more with much less in that respect.

    And to be clear, I’m not getting down on Thrones here. Excepting some episodes from the most recent season of each, I’ve seen every episode of both shows at least twice, and most episodes more than that. I watch both shows with my family and girlfriend the night they air. I think both shows deserve their Best Drama emmy nominations. I definitely think Thrones belongs in that category.

    That said, the productions are very different animals. Thrones is filmed in multiple countries, has 3 to 4 crews filming simultaneously and the largest cast on television. They have their schedule timed to what seems like the millisecond sometimes out of simple necessity. As such, the show does epic, sweeping scope and cinematic set pieces better than anyone else, and the existing source material allows the writers to keep on track with the timing of the production without slowing down the plot or having it fall apart from a lack of time to develop and polish story beats.

    That said, the scope of the story means that character development largely falls by the side as the plot drives forward (the characters aren’t cardboard cut outs or anything, but we simply don’t spend the same amount of time with any of them that we get to spend with the characters on a show like Breaking Bad that only has two primary characters and half a dozen important secondary characters. Thrones makes better use of its time for characterization than a formula network show, for instance, but it can’t compete with a show that makes both good use of its time for character development and has a lot more of that time, which BB does on both counts) and the scope and rigid schedule of the production leaves less time for technical experimentation and actor improvisation.

    The source material is also a great asset as far keeping the story on track and allowing the writers to weave a consistent, series long narrative, but it also hinders flexibility of the production to react to unforeseen circumstances (case-in-point, but by no means unique: the handling of The Mountain). Breaking Bad, by comparison, owes much of its quality to the fact that it has a creative team that is very, very good at adapting when it needs to. The creator has admitted to the fact that they just make things up as they go along. They have a direction they wanted to take the character of Walt, but no long term plan beyond that, and that allows them a lot of freedom to work (as well as increased risk of falling flat on their face, but they haven’t so far). There are a number of critical characters that were either supposed to die early on or only appear in a handful of episodes who became enduring features of the show because they worked so well, and there was one notable instance where they set up a primary villain for the season, couldn’t figure out how to stretch out the confrontation believably over a full run of episodes and wound up having having the climax less than half way through the season in one of the series most memorable episodes and paving the way for someone else to be the primary antagonist.

    Game of Thrones is an unprecedented production, but that handicaps it a bit in some ways compared to shows that simply have more time to work with and less that needs to be done in that time. It’s not an insult to the show to say that some of the shows holding this advantage are of a slightly higher calibre; it’s actually remarkable that this number is so small and that Thrones actually manages to be so far ahead of the vast, vast majority shows in its level of quality despite being such a beast to produce.

  114. OldeCrone
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:48 am | Permalink

    To be honest I take award ceremonies with a pinch of salt. Some of the home-grown award shows here in the UK are truly cringeworthy [and yes I am British - not a foreign born person criticising such shows]. Of course, if a TV programme one likes gets a gong it’s very nice, but not the end of the world if it is overlooked. Chrysee, I guess it’s down to personal taste but I used to like the CSI shows and was sorry when they were cancelled (we’re a bit behind the USA where I live and the last CSI: New York series is still showing). Now I would be a very happy person if “The Mentalist” and “Once Upon a Time” were cancelled but I doubt anyone will take notice of me and it’s not for me to tell other people what they should or should not like.
    Getting back on topic, the “rom-com” video was witty.

  115. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    Oh, I liked CSI, too. I watched it every week for a number of years. It’s still not nearly as good as the numerous current serialized cable dramas, though. Most network shows are like snack food. They can be good or bad, and may even include some of my favorite things to consume, but no matter how much I like Pringles, I don’t want potato chips for dinner. For that, I want something a bit more substantial, and there are significantly more of the type of show that falls into that category right now than there were even five years ago.

  116. Pau
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    The Purist,

    What people like is expressed by what they spend their hard earned money on not what some “academy of the arts” deems worthy.

    That’s the case and point. It always has been and always will be.

    Let me ask you something, what is the most inportant thing a “for profit” entertainment corporation like HBO cares about.Ill give you a hint, it’s not Emmys. It’s making money.

    Emmys are a nice addition and can be used for bragging rights but the people decide the real winners by voting with their wallets.

    Count the wallet votes, the votes that really count, and without question GoT is the winner and it’s only going into it’s fourth season.

    Drug dealers… Really? That’s so original.

    If you think BB is aboug Drug Dealers you haven’t been paying attention….really man, grow up, noone like sore losers

  117. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:17 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    That’s kind of what I was going for. I enjoy GoT more as well, but am not afraid to admit that there are higher calibre series out there. And as I said to Arthur “some of us”. I’m a film studies graduate though so I am a bit picky when it comes to this. Just can’t help It.

  118. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    You nailed it friend. I agree 100%.

  119. Omar Brown
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Don’t want to sound like a sore loser, but some very odd Emmy wins this season.

  120. ragrind
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    The Purist,

    *tips fedora*

  121. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    Pau,

    Saying that Breaking Bad is about drug dealers is like saying that Game Of Thrones is about dragons. Both sayings are gross over-simplifications of the shows that throw away about 99.9999999% of their content.

  122. arden
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Not getting the Emmy should just fuel D&D to make a better series

    It won’t tho

  123. Loki
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy, more like 10% in the case of barium bromide and 33% here.

  124. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    The great German mathematical theorist, Gödel, once said that “any sufficiently complex system of variables, facts and objects can never be adequately analyzed by elements within that same system.” Many mathematicians have considered suicide since Godel’s “Incompleteness Theorem” was published…it rendered lifelong research into axioms and set theory by some useless…theoretically.

    Such is the same with award shows like the Emmys, Oscars, Hugos, Pulitzers, ….blah, blah, blah. Yes, it is an honor to win and gain a statue but it is simply about entertainers giving awards to other entertainers. Awards are more about politics and schmoozing than true talent. Who plays the game well. True creativity does not get daunted by the presence or lack of a simple piece of hardware.

    Did you happen to notice when Jerry Weintraub won for producing “Candelabra” that he was practically sucking HBO exec’s dicks and tits onstage? That’s what it is all about and he did it well. Did you notice how the real creative force behind that film, the author and screenwriter, Richard Lagravenese (the Fisher King!), was lingering behind everyone…just taking it all in? His subtle, well-traveled, well-versed smile knew the game, he knew what it was all about.

    D&D may need to consider playing the game if they want statues…..But who really cares? I don’t think they are “penis-breath” kind of folk….or maybe their egos do need stroking…who knows…

    Personally, I enjoyed the Emmy show the best when Robin Williams, Rob Reiner, and others did their “In Memorium” pieces, celebrating the life’s work of other major deceased artists. That was awesome….and so truly honorable. It also doesn’t hurt that there is so much wonderful cleavage and legs on display!

    BB is awesome, GoT is awesome, American Horror Story is awesome….who the hell can say one is truly better than the other? I don’t watch TV and films because of the artist’s credibility or resume. I watch those shows and films because they capture my attention and tell a fucking good story.

  125. Rygar
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    WildSeed,

    Deadwood is the best HBO series after The Wire in my IMHO. I will warn you that it is incomplete. Cancelled after only three seasons (actually more like set aside and then smothered). But you could logically end the show’s main story at the point that it expired.

    I just had to emphasize that we almost agree. ;)

    And the writing on BE is not as bad as GoT. But I agree that the actors ability to make the most of the material that really shines in that show. Michael Stuhlbarg for Jon Connington…..

  126. Chrysee
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    Oh hell, I didn’t mean they were bad shows or people shouldn’t watch what they like. I just mean the landscape of television is a bit different now. A network crime procedural like CSI would not be competitive (as far as awards are concerned) nowadays with shows like Mad Men, Homeland, Breaking Bad, etc. And to be fair I haven’t watched very far into hardly any of the big dramas because most of the time if I have to choose between something that is legit really good and award-winning and something I like that makes me happy, well.. Breaking Bad’s gonna stay in my Netflix list and I’m gonna rewatch a 30 Rock damnit.

    tldr, if GOT lost because CSI won the best drama Emmy, maybe some of this butthurt attitude would be justified.

  127. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    arden,

    Yes. What failures. Bryan Cranston too. He lost, so he should aspire to be as good and interesting as Jeff Daniels’(not a knock on Daniels) Will McAvoy.

  128. Lex
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Can’t believe there was no Emmy thread, and that we’re posting all this in a Saturday Laughs thread. Oh well…

    Personally, I’m thrilled that Breaking Bad won. I’ve been re-watching the entire season over the last two weeks, and it’s moved firmly up into my Top 5 TV shows of all time. It’s unbelievable, and so worthy of the awards it has received.

    Of course it’s sad that GOT didn’t win (I think Dinklage deserves at least one more Emmy), but oh well. Everyone loves GOT, and that’s enough for me.

  129. Lex
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Sorry for saying this to all the Breaking Bad fans but really…

    Who gives a shit about a bunch of drug dealers…

    Have you watched the show? Because if not, you have no idea how wrong you are here. Breaking Bad is amazing, perfect television.

    And the fact that it’s ending so well will make it go down in history as a classic, with high DVD sales and re-watch value (unlike, say, Lost, which blew it with a terrible final season and has now faded in popularity).

    Personally, my Top 5 shows (in no particular order) are:

    Game of Thrones
    Deadwood
    Rome
    Sopranos
    Breaking Bad (only non-HBO show on the list)

  130. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Out of curiosity, have you seen The Wire yet?

  131. Lex
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    Yes. I really, really enjoyed The Wire… but it doesn’t quite make my Top 5. (I think Rome beats it because I’m a sucker for period pieces, especially in ancient or medieval settings). I know, many people consider it the best show ever. It’s probably my #6 I guess.

  132. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Stuhlbarg’s Rothstein is a marvel to behold. Great character actor.

  133. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Delta1212,

    I am midway through the 4th season of ‘The Wire’ and love it. After I finish I will move on to ‘Deadwood’. Then I need to find a way to watch ‘The Shield’ and ‘Justified’. Of the shows I’ve seen, my top shows would be:

    Best Shows:

    1. ‘Breaking Bad’(This final season has vaulted it to the top of my list)
    2. ‘The Sopranos’
    3. ‘The Wire’
    4. ‘Game Of Thrones’
    5. ‘Mad Men’
    6. ‘Rome’

    Favorite to watch:

    1. ‘Game Of Thrones’
    2. ‘Breaking Bad’
    3. ‘The Sopranos’
    4. ‘Rome’
    5. ‘The Wire’
    6. ‘Mad Men’

  134. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Too bad he is rarely featured. Same goes for Michael Shannon’s Van Alden. I am enjoying BE’s 4th season much more than season 3 so far. Valentine Narcisse is a big step up from Gyp Rossetti(still can’t believe Cannavale won an Emmy). And the lack of Margaret is a huge plus.

  135. WildSeed
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212,

    Yes, for all the reasoning with respects to the pragmatic approach to each series.
    Your summary demands a silent head nod, as it comes quite complete .
    GRRM would fold his arms over his girth,nod in agreement, and later
    clear his throat to say, thank you.

  136. KG
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Chrysee,

    We’re fans of the same show, not family, for God’s sake. Calm down.

  137. OldeCrone
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Chrysee,

    Sorry if I came across as having a go at you – that wasn’t my intention; I was trying to say different strokes for different folks. Do you have the saying about it being a dull world if we were all the same in the USA? I don’t have the channel that shows most of the HBO shows in the UK – though most of them make it to mainstream TV eventually. Many of the HBO shows I haven’t seen. The Sopranos was too violent for my personal tastes though not badly acted. But my posting was not meant to be a personal attack, just an observation that I liked CSI (though I did think Horatio overdid fiddling with the dark glasses).

  138. Delta1212
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oh Deadwood is great. It has legitimately one of my favorite characters in all fiction and is very well written and acted. It’s also just very fun to watch.

    As a follow up, I recommend the very short lived NBC show Kings. It’s not a pantheon-level show by any means, but it’s fun and an above average drama for a network (hence the quick cancellation), especially if you’re at all familiar with the Biblical story of David, and, trust me, you’ll probably need an Ian McShane fix when you run out of Deadwood episodes which that show will neatly provide.

  139. Rygar
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Rygar,

    Stuhlbarg’s Rothstein is a marvel to behold. Great character actor.

    and he performs his own pool stunts

  140. Rygar
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Joshua Atreides,

    Too bad he is rarely featured. Same goes for Michael Shannon’s Van Alden. I am enjoying BE’s 4th season much more than season 3 so far. Valentine Narcisse is a big step up from Gyp Rossetti(still can’t believe Cannavale won an Emmy). And the lack of Margaret is a huge plus.

    I’ve found each subsequent season of BE to increase in overall fun and quality. And yes, less Margaret is a huge plus.

  141. Joshua Atreides
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I thought Cannavale gave a great performance to a weakly written character.

  142. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Yes, and you could tell he was giving a performance.

  143. Rygar
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Joshua Atreides,

    Yes, and you could tell he was giving a performance.

    Totally disagree. He was brilliant.

  144. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Delta1212: Lollius Palicanus, …… It’s not an insult to the show to say that some of the shows holding this advantage are of a slightly higher calibre; it’s actually remarkable that this number is so small and that Thrones actually manages to be so far ahead of the vast, vast majority shows in its level of quality despite being such a beast to produce.

    Enjoyed your thoughts on this. Thx.

  145. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    He was great at being over the top, but I detest over the top performances. Even back when season 3 was airing I voiced my displeasure with the character being the main antagonist.

  146. Rygar
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 9:12 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Rygar,

    He was great at being over the top, but I detest over the top performances.Even back when season 3 was airing I voiced my displeasure with the character being the main antagonist.

    His scenes with Gretchen Mol, especially in the final episode, when he does the thing with his eye….that was subtle brilliance and far from over-the-top.

  147. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted September 23, 2013 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    I just wasn’t a fan of the character. Maybe most of it was the writing, but the over the top performance was what made Emmy voters bite. Yes, I may still be bitter that he garnered a nom over Coster-Waldau, but as I said, I voiced this opinion long before he was nominated for an Emmy. But that’s just me. He did hang dong, though. And nobody hangs dong anymore.

  148. J
    Posted September 24, 2013 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Morgan Freeman…Game of Hearts….Call My Maybe…. LOL

    This clip was hilarious. I’ve watched a couple of Romantic Comedies in my day and this definitely has the potential to be an instant classic at the box office.

    All we’re missing is Katherine Heigl!


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