Casting

Season 4 New Casting Roundup

News about roles in Game of Thrones is popping up all over the net these days. Here’s a roundup of the latest castings for the show’s fourth season.
Alisdair Simpson

  • According to his CV, Alisdair Simpson will be playing the Knight of the Gate, and his agency notes in their news section that he has just “shot 2 episodes of ‘GAME OF THRONES’…directed by Michelle Maclaren and Alex Graves.” In an earlier news item on their website, they refer to Simpson’s character as the “Knight of the Vale”, so this indicates that he will most likely be playing the knight who guards the way into the Vale of Arryn.

Daniel-Rabin

  • The Eamonn Bedford Agency confirms that Daniel Rabin is filming for the fourth season of the show and his CV reveals that the actor has been cast as Lord Blackmont. In the A Song of Ice and Fire books, the Dornish Blackmonts are bannermen of House Martell. Will this Lord Blackmont be accompanying Prince Oberyn to King’s Landing?
  • Jane McGrath‘s casting was uncovered a couple weeks ago in an interview with IFTN when she revealed she was playing a wildling, but the character name was unknown at the time. McGrath’s role has been added to her agency CV and it appears the actress is playing…Sissy. Not a character from the books. Since she’s a wildling, is this a daughter-wife for Craster, or a member of Mance Rayder’s wildling pack?
  • MoragActress Deirdre Monaghan will be playing the part of Morag Craster, according to her CV which also notes she’ll be appearing in a Michelle MacLaren-directed episode. MacLaren will be helming episodes 4 and 5 of next season so we can look forward to action around Craster’s Keep and the return of Burn Gorman around that time.
  • And Craster’s list of wives isn’t done growing. Adult actress and model Saffie Jacobs will be appearing as a wife of the dead wildling. Her Twitter bio mentions her filming and previously it stated she would be a “Craster wife” on the show. An exchange Jacobs had on Twitter with another adult performer named Aeryn Walker mentions that they worked together, and Walker made a video discussing how her role on the show came about.
  • English actress Sarine Sofair is appearing as Lhara on an Alik Sakharov-directed episode of season four, according to her Spotlight CV.  (Sakharov will be directing episodes six and seven.) Adult performer Samantha Bentley tweeted about sharing the screen with Sofair, and mentions working with Liam Cunningham, though it isn’t clear if she actually shared a scene with him or if she only met him while on set. It looks like an actress and model named Anoushka Kellett will be working with them, with Game of Thrones on her resume, both actresses following her on Twitter, and Bentley mentioning meeting her.
  • Around the same time in mid-September as the above actresses were filming, adult performer (*NSFW Link*) Jessica Jensen tweeted she would flying to Belfast to film a role on the show as well.

Ours is the Fury: I found the Lord Blackmont casting most interesting. I didn’t think we’d see any other Dornish lords this year, and I doubt they’d use that name for a non-Dornish character.

272 Comments

  • Apparently so. Josephine Gillan (Marei) and Pixie LeKnot (Meereense Knot girl) have filmed again this year too.

    Though I do think it’s interesting that among the Craster wives there’s some adult actresses- and then a named character played by a respected fiftyish actress with a great resume.

  • I guess a benefit is having people perfectly comfortable doing nude scenes from the get-go. Of course that works until they decide they want to be remembered for their acting and refuse to skin it up anymore. ;)

  • More pointless nudity then…probably a continuation of the Pod’s huge cock story…but I guess they can’t find time for Val and Dalla.

  • If they are casting minor Dornish lords, this should be an indication that Dorne may be more fleshed out than we’ve been assuming. Will we get all the Sand Snakes?

    Unless its someone for Loras/Oberyn to bang.

  • Waiting for the outrage to begin. So now this is Game of Porn? What the fuck D&D?!? Wasting money on porn stars and precious screen time that could have been devoted to Strong Belwas or characters who were actually in the books. My excitement for season 4 just took a nosedive.

  • Well one things for sure…

    Going out for drinks with the cast and crew would be very exciting and interesting. =]

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    *nods head sagely*

    Just a wee tidbit, but the second season of the X Files featured a porn actress in one episode. And while she did have a speaking role and was incremental to the narrative, she did pose nude for an autopsy. Some clever spins of the focus knob prevented the at home audience from being scandalized.

  • Still waiting for Dany-related castings. I just can’t imagine there won’t be any. At least some minor/one-off roles need to be cast…

  • Joshua Atreides:

    Unless its someone for Loras/Oberyn to bang.

    That’s a thought. Oberyn: “This is my paramour…and this is my other paramour.” Good way to emphasize his bisexuality since we can’t get Tyrion’s thoughts on the subject.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Joshua Atreides,

    That, or they didn’t think much about casting pornstars in nameless roles as window dressing. Somebody has to get topless. Why not go with professionals?

    I don’t think they are just getting topless. It would be very easy to find actresses or just any individuals who is willing to go topless, but I think the producers are looking for someone who is willing to simulate sexual intercourse without any hesitation.

  • Remember the picture Pedro posted on instagram of several actors, weeks ago? I’m thinking Daniel Rabin might be the guy in the background that we couldn’t identify.

    http://instagram.com/p/cz_rMknw8z

    Comparing various photos of him to this one, it looks a lot like him but I’m not positive. (Oh and he’s super hot so if he’s having an affair with Oberyn and Ellaria, I’m down with that.)

  • Action? Michelle McLaren episode? You are kidding, right? jamie “rescuing” brienne from the bear pit was by far the worst adapted and the worst directed action sequence in the show. She is like Vanessa Taylor of directing. Not surprising, considering they are both women. And what do women know about good action?

    Anyway, episode 4 or 5. I sense a lot of pointless scenes with Bran in it.

  • As far as the casting of adult actresses. I’m not a fan, but I don’t think it is that big a deal. The roles are probably minor “throw away” roles with a few lines of dialogue. Think about all of the “casting” news we had before. It’s like Alton Lannister. You get a few lines a minute or two of screen time and you’re done. We heard hot-off-the-press stuff about the Myranese Knot Girl and other little roles all last season. Turns out they just aren’t much more than window dressing. Where you should focus is on the big roles that are cast…

  • Brian:
    More pointless nudity then…probably a continuation of the Pod’s huge cock story…but I guess they can’t find time for Val and Dalla.

    Sounds like you could use a refresher. Ros relays to Varys that it wasn’t that Pod was particularly well-hung. It could be inferred that Pod was just an exceptionally attentive partner.

  • Loki,

    Episode 8 of season 3 was one of the best, and the Bear Pit wasn’t that bad (even if episode 7 was the worst of the season).

  • Loki,

    Somebody has never watched Breaking Bad. Also, she directed the fight with Daario,Jorah, and Grey Worm vs the Yunkai slave soldiers.

  • As for adult actresses surprised no one mentioned Shae who has been great for the most part in her role. I think Nina has done an absolutely amazing job on casting and until she really flubs one of these we should all chill and see how it all goes before making any derogatory comments.

  • The Lord Blackmont thing is strange because in the books there is no Lord, the head of House Blackmont is Lady Larra Blackmont. However the inclusion of more Dornish characters is cool.

  • Jentario,

    Yes, an Emmy nominated Director who is considered by many to be the best director of perhaps the greatest TV series of all-time is total garbage to this dude.

  • I’m guessing this “Knight of the Vale” could be Nestor Royce. Looks like most of the Lords Declarent are cast, and they’ll all have to get past the Gates Of The Moon to negotiate with Littlefinger.

  • Interesting to get a second Dornish lord….
    Also to get one of Craster’s older (oldest?) daughters cast along with a handful or adult actresses (is the plural an orgy of adult actresses?)….

    It seems like a number of Craster’s wives will be naked, I wonder if the go boy-crazy and this Morag Craster will be a sort of Madam trying to keep her sisters alive. .. Maybe just being raped by or simply entertaining some not-so-celibate Black Brothers? Then again maybe just a representative of everyone remaining at Craster’s Keep.

    Glad to see the second Dornish lord!
    It gives me hope that we will get more Dornish roles cast than many people expected.

  • BrianAu,

    Very true!
    I think Sibell Kikelli has done a great job for the most part too!
    A number of porn stars can actually act and maybe they will not all be in sex scenes exactly…

  • BrianAu: As for adult actresses surprised no one mentioned Shae who has been great for the most part in her role. I think Nina has done an absolutely amazing job on casting and until she really flubs one of these we should all chill and see how it all goes before making any derogatory comments.

    They haven’t mentioned her because Sibel Kekilli isn’t an adult actress. Many years ago she appeared in a few adult films but she transitioned to mainstream fare long before Game of Thrones.

  • Loki:
    Action? Michelle McLaren episode? You are kidding, right? jamie “rescuing” brienne from the bear pit wasby far the worst adapted and the worst directed action sequence in the show. She is like Vanessa Taylor of directing. Not surprising, considering they are both women. And what do women know about good action?

    Anyway, episode 4 or 5. I sense a lot of pointless scenes with Bran in it.

    Excuse me?

  • Jazzroach:
    I’m guessing this “Knight of the Vale” could be Nestor Royce.Looks like most of the Lords Declarent are cast, and they’ll all have to get past the Gates Of The Moon to negotiate with Littlefinger.

    If he was playing Nestor Royce, I imagine it would say Nestor Royce. His CV says “Knight of the Gate”, i.e., the Bloody Gate. That was the Blackfish’s job in the books, currently occupied by Ser Donnel Waynwood. I imagine he’ll be appearing in the Arya/Hound section as they try to get to the Eyrie.

  • Talking about adult actresses, there are some, huh, “interesting” pictures out there, taken from a scene where Missandei is bathing in a river… naked. Nice shots of her bare ass and brests wearing pasties. Already the scene I’m most eager to see. :-)

  • More than anything, I’m shocked at the lack of people crying out in self righteous outrage about how another (presumably) Dornish character is “too white!”

  • Jim: More than anything, I’m shocked at the lack of people crying out in self righteous outrage about how another (presumably) Dornish character is “too white!”

    Why would anyone be upset? Blackmonts are Stony Dornish.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    Apparently so. Josephine Gillan (Marei) and Pixie LeKnot (Meereense Knot girl) have filmed again this year too.

    Though I do think it’s interesting that among the Craster wives there’s some adult actresses- and then a named character played by a respected fiftyish actress with a great resume.

    I suspect that we’ll come back to see Rast and the deserters raping many of Craster’s wives, so they hired adult actresses for these scenes.

    Hey do you have a link (or WiC tumblr post) that can confirm that Marei and Kayla will return? I need them to confirm it over on the Game of Thrones Wiki — we were pleasantly surprised last season when Pixie Le Knot herself actually dropped in to the wiki to update her character’s page (she confirmed it was her via twitter). I didn’t have much to go on for a “biography” of Kayla, so I ended up writing a full new article on “Prostitution” – we’ve got a running list of prostitute characters, hope this helps keep track of them all:

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Prostitution

  • leoff:
    Talking about adult actresses, there are some, huh, “interesting” pictures out there, taken from a scene where Missandei is bathing in a river… naked. Nice shots of her bare ass and brests wearing pasties. Already the scene I’m most eager to see. :-)

      

    Wait…what? There have been no reported Season 4 photo leaks of Missandei.

  • Both Rabin and Monaghan news excite (Deirdre is seriously amazing, and Rabin ups the amounts of Oberyn threesome possibilities, so yeah)

    On a totally unrelated note, I just read an amazing and very compelling theory over at westeros.org about Val and possibly Tormund being wildling priests, and now I am really sad over not getting Val
    Did NW film already? If no, there is still hope…

  • Premislaus,

    no hes right. theres been alot of agreement that that adaptation wasnt very well done. I thought that was one of the worst episodes of the season. I listen to Bald Moves podcasts alot and they do one fore game of thrones and one for breaking bad. I remember them being jazzed about hearing that she directed that episode until they watched it. They were really dissapointed to and thats coming from a pretty big McLaren fan. But the rest of what he said was deffinately trolling. I dont agree with that at all.

  • Loki:
    Posted September 25, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink
    Joshua Atreides:

    Unless its someone for Loras/Oberyn to bang.

    That’s a thought. Oberyn: “This is my paramour…and this is my other paramour.” Good way to emphasize his bisexuality since we can’t get Tyrion’s thoughts on the subject.

      

    There’s only so much “directing” you can do with a live stunt bear. I agree with Elio & Linda of Westeros.org on this: we had a choice between a fake-looking CGI bear who runs around in a great action scene, or an actual, real-life bear….who as a real actor-bear can only be coaxed into doing so many stunts. We’ve seen CGI critters before, so just bringing out the live bear was more impressive….even though I knew they really had to work AROUND the bear and couldn’t make an involved action scene with it. This was the price of choosing a live bear over a CGI one, but I stand by their choice. Limitations of working with large live animals.

  • Zormont: Brian, Why do we need Val? She’s fairly pointless.

    Don’t get me started about Val….(blood pressure rising)….we fought that one out several threads ago.

  • The Dragon Demands,

    They’ve been talking pretty openly on Twitter about their work on the show. Pixie’s started following Daniel Portman, Lena, Sophie, and Dean-Charles Chapman so I get the feeling Kayla is PW contortionist entertainment.

    Josephine Gillan (Marei) states right in her twitter bio that she’ll be in S4 episodes 1 and 3.
    *NSFW Link * https://twitter.com/Titiansophie

    Can’t remember the first reference to Pixie being in S4 but I know she tweeted about being in Dubrovnik too. Here Scan through her tweets and there’s more stuff there.

    Oh and Gillan came right out and said Pixie would be in next season. Here

  • Nick_Scryer: leoff, Excitement for Season 4 just tripled. Thx dude. Wonder what kind of scene it is, looks like a few naked people. Dany’s peeps finally getting to clean themselves?

    I can picture the scene now. Missandei bathing in the river. Dany checking her out thinking “I need to get me some of that” (which she promptly does later in the episode). I can’t wait.

  • Ours is the Fury: Why would anyone be upset? Blackmonts are Stony Dornish.

    I think you’re missing the point, they could’ve chosen a Sandy Dornish instead, if they wanted to use a POC…instead they chose another very white actor. Probably on purpose, they way D&D like to troll sometimes…surely all that drama with Pedro didn’t sit that well with them.

    About using adult actresses…I’d rather they use normal actresses willing to be nude, suspension of disbelief and all that

  • The Dragon Demands: There’s only so much “directing” you can do with a live stunt bear. I agree with Elio & Linda of Westeros.org on this: we had a choice between a fake-looking CGI bear who runs around in a great action scene, or an actual, real-life bear….who as a real actor-bear can only be coaxed into doing so many stunts. We’ve seen CGI critters before, so just bringing out the live bear was more impressive….even though I knew they really had to work AROUND the bear and couldn’t make an involved action scene with it. This was the price of choosing a live bear over a CGI one, but I stand by their choice. Limitations of working with large live animals.

    Sorry, I’m not going to show default love for that bear scene. It was meh. It seemed rushed, hastily edited, and almost forced “just because it was in the books.” MM/D&D tacked it on in the last few minutes of the episode, almost as if to check off a wish list item rather than including a signature storytelling event. Now…if a one-handed Jaime had fought Locke in or above the bear pit after saving Brienne, then somehow maneuvered Locke to get mauled by the bear…that would have made more of an impact. But oh well, we got what we got….ain’t terrible, but meh.

    Go back and view it again…imho, they could have done more with that scene. It’s really no different than some of the stupid gratuitous sex scenes we are “forced” to endure, with or without sexposition.

  • If Val is important to the story she will be cast eventually.

    She probably isn’t needed until the aftermath of the battle in season 5. As a potential love interest for Jon, they might be wanting to wait until after Ygritte’s death to introduce Val. I would kind of hate if they were both in the show at once and we got a lame love triangle or cattiness between Ygritte and Val. Of course, this is all assuming Ygritte doesn’t die early on like in the book , but I think she sticks around until the big battle. Her death will probably occur right in front of Jon or he will actually have to do it himself.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger: If Val is important to the story she will be cast eventually.She probably isn’t needed until the aftermath of the battle in season 5. As a potential love interest for Jon, they might be wanting to wait until after Ygritte’s death to introduce Val. I would kind of hate if they were both in the show at once and we got a lame love triangle or cattiness between Ygritte and Val. Of course, this is all assuming Ygritte doesn’t die early on like in the book , but I think she sticks around until the big battle. Her death will probably occur right in front of Jon or he will actually have to do it himself.

    There will be Mel as well.

  • Loki:
    Action? Michelle McLaren episode? You are kidding, right? jamie “rescuing” brienne from the bear pit wasby far the worst adapted and the worst directed action sequence in the show. She is like Vanessa Taylor of directing. Not surprising, considering they are both women. And what do women know about good action?

    Speaking of action, I bet I know someone who isn’t getting any.

  • Daenerys had sex with Irri at one point in Slaver’s Bay when she was feeling moody – I seriously think that Adam Friedberg aged-up Missandei to a young adult so she can take Irri’s place in this “subplot”.

    Thank you for the links I will add this info to the wiki.

  • We don’t know how many episodes Rabin filmed[/is filming], and with everything going on and so many new characters, it’s hard to imagine Blackmont doing much at all. Could just be that the Dornish lords get announced, but don’t even have speaking roles. Or maybe he’ll have a role as huge as Ser Hugh or Steelshanks. He’s not an interesting casting, to me.

    All these Craster wives are interesting, though. The whole subplot definitely seems to be the most original show material yet. Makes me think Coldhands is more and more likely to show up. All the other fan-favorite [or] minor characters who have been cut were lost to streamlining. If Bran and friends really do end up at Craster’s as part of a substantial subplot requiring new actors, that’s not streamlining.

  • Joshua Atreides: Ours is the Fury, Since the guy is obviously a troll why not ban him/her? Is there a stigma for web sites/mods that remove trolls? Just curious.

    As annoying as it is, Mr. spice mouse, that’s the beauty of “freedom of speech”, eh? I thought “Lady of Highgarden” and “Ms. D Ranged in AZ” appropriately put him in his place… dealt with and moved on.

  • Loki,

    She directed One Minute and Half/Full Measures for Breaking Bad, which is stronger than Game of Thrones is many ways. The writing was weak (I believe that the scene was moved into GRRM’S episode), they had to film w/ a bear, and she’s an incredibly competent and celebrated director.

  • SourBillyTipton: The actress who plays Shae used to be in porn and look how she turned out. Oh wait she’s horrible.

    Who knows? We may be pleasantly surprised by Shae in S4…she does have a rather lovely neck, wouldn’t you say?

  • leoff:
    Talking about adult actresses, there are some, huh, “interesting” pictures out there, taken from a scene where Missandei is bathing in a river… naked. Nice shots of her bare ass and brests wearing pasties. Already the scene I’m most eager to see.:-)

    I’ve done a search. Can’t find them. Please link. =)

  • Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t we done with Craster’s in the canon? They must be bringing it back to carry Bran’s story through til they’re done with FfC and can move on with the canon.

  • Thanks OITF, this is a great round-up. I’m a little concerned about the direction they are taking the Craster’s aftermath, if only because it seems like they didn’t set anything up with that last season, and I fear something made up will just be a distraction and time waste.

    I hope they make sex less jokey than it was last season. There are social issues of gender and power dynamics which are worth exploring, and are sometimes on the show, but there are deeper human needs which are rarely addressed by Game of Thrones. Sex and love motivate characters, they could make it more layered than seeing someone and swooning a la Daario and Daenerys, or being seduced and leeched a la Melisandre and Gendry.

  • Amazing how many more people cry about people crying racism than actually cry racism. Protesting a bit much.

  • GG: Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t we done with Craster’s in the canon? They must be bringing it back to carry Bran’s story through til they’re done with FfC and can move on with the canon.

    The only thing we know about post-Crasters’ mutiny in GoT (not ASoI&F) is that Sam and Gilly fled and had their WW adventure. We know nothing of what became of the mutineers….

    (many discussions/speculations in past threads about this)

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Just stop.

    Where’s Geekfurious? I swear, every single time there’s a casting decision announced somebody overreacts for no discernible reason.

    This announcement has no bearing on the narrative. For all you know these characters have 2 collective minutes of screen time.

    Strong Belwas isn’t going to be on the show. Grow up and deal with it.

    Nudity is a selling point on this show. It draws in the fringe fans which keeps the show’s budget so high. It’s necessary for the business model whether you like it or not.

    Sorry the show isn’t molded to your exact specifications. Season 4 is going to be the most exciting season thus far, but you’re going to keep yourself from enjoying it because certain couldn’t-be-more-transient details offend your delicate palate.

    Stop throwing hissy fits for no reason, Fauntleroy.

  • boze,

    Every mod has the ability to ban posters from the site. Ain’t it Cool News and ImDB do it all the time.

    Freedom of speech eh. I guess so. I may be a bit naive here but I like my internet chat as I do my real life discussions. If some one in the group acts like a jackass or insults or say something offensive wouldn’t you exclude that person from the conversation? I mean If we were all at a table having a discussion and someone just starts making sexist, racist or insulting remarks out of nowhere that person is then shunned.

  • The Queen’s Hand,

    There’s no indication that there will be any more or less nudity this season.

    From what it sounds, these women will be background viewing for a 2-3 minute scene at Crasters.

    With all the home-runs hit this off-season and the way King’s Landing is shaping up, it’s amazing that people deliberately seek out details that don’t matter and complain incessantly because they don’t match up to what they specifically wanted.

    This isn’t casting Victarion, it’s casting plot devices.

  • Great casting news during an otherwise slow period for all GoT faithfuls! After doing a very ahem…exhaustive research…ahem…. on all the actresses mentioned in the posting, I must say I approve! Two thumbs up! (at least I think one is a thumb…)

    I was wondering when the trolls and the bitching and moaning was going to start! It is really sad to see how “adult actresses” are all mentioned and bunched up together as if they are some kind of second hand, second class human beings! You do know these are living, breathing human beings with feelings, personalities, intelects etc.

    The fact that they are automatically discounted because of what they do, and because what they do is used to define them by default as “less than”, says more about the people making these immature and really puzzling comments and unwaranted criticisms!

    I don’t understand how does Sahara Knite or Jessica Jensen or any of the other ladies, being on the show bother or affect you personally! If you have some moral qualms about pornography (but own an Uzzie, bazooka and tank) you are welcomed NOT to watch the show, or to turn off the naughty bits that soo offend you! You know personal choice and the remote control! But nah, this is not what this is about…

    I swear it has become such a tiresome ritual to have to always discuss this matter each and every time, not to mention the really offensive part of all this that this criticism is levelled against women especially and adult actresses specifically who are much easier to target for some perceived moral offense and outrage!

    For HBO this is hardly anything new or controversial. Jesse Jane and Sasha Grey had regular roles on “Entourage” while Katie Morgan has her own specials on the network…etc.

    So, grow the fuck up! Godamn puritans!

    PS As for Michelle McLaren! Fucking awesome! I hope she directs more and more episodes so that all the neanderthals’ heads, who have a problem with her, explode like popcorn from frustration! Get it through your cro-magnon skulls, women are part of this show and will be until its end, adult actresses included!

    I hope they bring Kathryn Bigelow and Lexi Alexander to direct GoT episodes!

    Ana Torv for Val!

  • We’re getting additional ( episode ) footage of Craster’s wives , why ????? I can
    barely handle Gilly ) :

    Lord Blackmont………… okay. Another 5 minutes of insignificant people……yet,
    this helps fill out the edges of a still evolving big scene. Great for those whom
    demand any news from the production. I’m waiting for the main course .

    No Dornish lords…..allright then ) :
    Sounds like Oberyn and Gregor will be the main course for the meat eaters, then.
    I’m waiting for my gourmet vegetarian cuisine , with prince Doran’s story.

  • The Queen’s Hand,

    Maybe not. Perhaps these are short and insignificant, as a whole. My expectations
    are being held in check. It’s reasonable to anticipate an intelligent, upcoming
    premise, sooner or later.

  • More casting of supporting males, females, Unsullied, hermaphrodites, Rygars…..the better!

    Drogon needs to feed, bitches!

  • Jim:
    More than anything, I’m shocked at the lack of people crying out in self righteous outrage about how another (presumably) Dornish character is “too white!”

    No surprise that someone with your sensibilities ( or lack thereof ) would mention it *>*

  • I’m surprised noone is crying out in self-righteous fury because Alisdair Simpson is clearly too “First Men” to portray a man of Andal descent and Deirdre Monaghan being too “Westerlands” to portray a Wildling

  • Lord blackmount?

    OH HELL YEAH!! That dude is a complete badass! And one of the most underrated characters in the book.

    No doubt, season 4 is shaping up to be the greatest season in the history of tv, cinema and pop culture.

  • Oh well. Too much for my silly hopes of.D&D skipping that unnecessary lesbo scene involving Dany -sigh-

    About Craster’s I’m really glad they’re expanding the story. It felt kind of incomplete to me in the books since we never knew what happened to those poor women. Hopefully some of them will be rescued and taken to the wall… this also brings the possibility of a more interesting arc for Grenn and Ed (if they’re alive of course) and possibly Bran.

    About Lord Blackmond… why are some people assuming he’ll be Oberyn’s lover? I can’t recall anything like that in the books

  • Joshua Atreides: Every mod has the ability to ban posters from the site. Ain’t it Cool News and ImDB do it all the time.

    You realize that no account is needed to post comments on WIC.net, right? So let me ask you once again, what do you want them to “ban” exactly?

  • boze: You realize that no account is needed to post comments on WIC.net, right? So let me ask you once again, what do you want them to “ban” exactly?

    His current sockpuppet? Maybe just to see which other trickster god he takes the name of next?

  • Hodor’s Bastard: There is so much sarcasm in this thread that the “serious” posts are actually the funniest.

    Dweezil = loco73 = adam friedberg?

    WildSeed,

    * sigh * you noticed that too ! Methinks the Rye Bread recipe has been tainted
    with mold, again.

    Who is Adam Sandberg ? I haven’t noticed that moniker, not that I always pay close attention. Did you find the Comment thread from Oct 2012 ?

  • If they want to add some gratuitous nudity why do they cast these low rent porn stars. The UK has some of sexiest models in their “glamour modeling” industry, it is filled with tons of very sexy very curvaceous woman who would probably love a part in Game of Thrones. They should cast Sophie Howard for one of these scenes. She tweets about the show and has even read the books and even the prudes would complain about gratuitous nudity if the actress looked like this (nsfw) http://hcd-1.imgbox.com/accAUVAx.jpg?st=3qS_9kxQi9QoK3UCp5JtiQ&e=1380157077
    An epic show like this could use some epic tits like that in it.

  • WildSeed: * sigh * you noticed that too ! Methinks the Rye Bread recipe has been taintedwith mold, again. Who is Adam Sandberg ? I haven’t noticed that moniker, not that I always pay close attention. Did you find the Comment thread from Oct 2012 ?

    Oh, just for you, WS.

    Adam Friedburg is a fictional character (played by Adam Sandberg) on an SNL skit. He is a horny teenage exec producer on GoT who stresses that more nudity and sex are necessary for a successful show. The character is supposedly based on a real HBO producer who has repeatedly requested more nudity on GoT. It is a very funny SNL skit (from last season) featuring a hilarious version of GRRM.

    They “get” it. More about the skit (which pokes fun at “sexposition”) can be found mid-page at http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Sexposition. I believe the site is associated with The Dragon Demands (who often posts here). The skit can be found on YouTube and the NBC SNL website.

    Yes, I did find the suggestion thread (thx). Still wondering about the suggestions though….no real feedback/follow-up.

  • Josla,
    “Oh well. Too much for my silly hopes of.D&D skipping that unnecessary lesbo scene involving Dany -sigh-”

    Why do you assume that? There is nothing in this post that suggests a scene like that taking place this season.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Thanks. I admit that I haven’t watched SNL, but I do know of Will Ferrell. I suppose
    he is some alumnus of the show. The link and premise to the HBO thing, is priceless.

    To the best my recollection, there has been little or feedback ,
    with respects to the Suggestion Box thread. A bit unsettling,
    maybe disappointing. I hope WiC responds to Abyss’s question,
    and your comments as well.

  • WildSeed:

    * sigh *you noticed that too ! Methinks the Rye Bread recipe has been tainted
    with mold, again.

    I beg to differ, milady. That “mold” is in fact a perfectly aged brie that merges with the earthy rye to create a delight to the palate. Perhaps you ought to try another taste?

  • Ros Snow,

    It’s been postulated that the mold referred to as ” Ergot ” , was the true reason
    behind many being poisoned or strange deaths, in Puritan era Massachusetts.
    This led to the Salem Mass Witch Trials ( late 16th century ? ). Nasty stuff,
    can cause hallucinations too , much like some of the comments in this thread ( :

  • JamesL: Hodor’s Bastard, It was just a skit, the character was not based on anyone.

    That wasn’t my supposition…Neil Marshall (director of the Blackwater episode and the invented Bronn-Hound-whore scene) has discussed it several times in interviews (even as a podcast). Who knows what to believe? Even more curiously, why are you defending a fairly obvious HBO executive agenda?

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Amazing that I miswrote ” Sandberg ” for the last name. I had no idea who he
    was, nor the fictional character. At least this explains whom GRRM was referring
    to, last year. I really just dismissed it as irrelevant. The ” joke” then, went over
    my head. Happy to know , now *>*

  • James:
    If they want to add some gratuitous nudity why do they cast these low rent porn stars.The UK has some of sexiest models in their “glamour modeling” industry,it is filled with tons of very sexy very curvaceous woman who would probably love a part in Game of Thrones. They should cast Sophie Howard for one of these scenes. She tweets about the show and has even read the books and even the prudes would complain about gratuitous nudity if the actress looked like this (nsfw) http://hcd-1.imgbox.com/accAUVAx.jpg?st=3qS_9kxQi9QoK3UCp5JtiQ&e=1380157077
    An epic show like this could use some epic tits like that in it.

    LOL, I believe most of them are in demand for Miley Cyrus videos or old school
    Rap vids. Jesse Pinkman recruited a few , too.

  • Ros Snow:
    WildSeed,

    If that’s the case, then we all need another taste.I’m still going with brie though…a much preferable form of mold to your ergot.

    Bake some with a nice crust, then meet me at the GoT season 4 debut ( :

  • James:
    Josla,
    “Oh well. Too much for my silly hopes of.D&D skipping that unnecessary lesbo scene involving Dany -sigh-”

    Why do you assume that?There is nothing in this post that suggests a scene like that taking place this season.

    Someone posted a link with pics of a naked Missandei bathing at the river. Some consider it may be from that scene and I too think it’s a big possibility… although I prefer they don’t do it tbh

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    loco73=loco73

    Ok just to keep things into perspective! I’ve been posting on this website for some 4 years before most people knew what GoT was….who the fuck is Adam Freiberg and Dweezil…hmmmm is that shit you just make up to entertain yourself?!

    That rant was just my opinion nothing else, no one asked you to agree…and as the tired old saying goes, opinions are like asshole…you and I have one…

    Cheers mate…

  • loco73: Hodor’s Bastard, loco73=loco73Ok just to keep things into perspective! I’ve been posting on this website for some 4 years before most people knew what GoT was….who the fuck is Adam Freiberg and Dweezil…hmmmm is that shit you just make up to entertain yourself?!That rant was just my opinion nothing else, no one asked you to agree…and as the tired old saying goes, opinions are like asshole…you and I have one…Cheers mate…

    You should read other poster’s comments in this thread other than your own…you would have gotten the joke. I invite you to do your own research. (hint…it’s about your sexual innuendo in your posts…TP was also being sarcastic)
    Lighten up, Francis. (maybe you don’t get that reference either…it’s from Stripes…the film)

  • Josla,

    Nathalie is a beautiful woman that has those womanly curves that drive me crazy…

    If she is giving a nude scene I hope D&D handle it with care and give the scene eligance and do it artfully…

    She is not a porn star stand-in and has rare beauty that should be showcased within a beautiful artistic environment and be very sensual… Not some cheap boob shot.

    Just saying.

  • Josla,

    I don’t see how that scene suggests there will be a lesbian sex scene between them. She is even wearing pasties so I doubt she would be comfortable having lesbian sex on camera.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oh, no, jokes, sarcasm and “Stripes”…uh oh you got me! “My name is Coronel Stacy, but my friends call me Theresa!l” that’s from “Royal Canadian Airfarce”…take your head out of your arse and you too will eventually get it…

    So if you are Hodor’s Bastard…that would make you Hodor Hodor?! Pero no te preocupes hombre…entiendo tú cinismo!

    Pura Vida mae!

  • Hodor’s Bastard:
    Posted September 25, 2013 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Nice.

      

    Hodor’s Bastard: Oh, just for you, WS.

    Adam Friedburg is a fictional character (played by Adam Sandberg) on an SNL skit. He is a horny teenage exec producer on GoT who stresses that more nudity and sex are necessary for a successful show. The character is supposedly based on a real HBO producer who has repeatedly requested more nudity on GoT. It is a very funny SNL skit (from last season) featuring a hilarious version of GRRM.

    They “get” it. More about the skit (which pokes fun at “sexposition”) can be found mid-page at http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Sexposition. I believe the site is associated with The Dragon Demands (who often posts here). The skit can be found on YouTube and the NBC SNL website.

    Yes, I did find the suggestion thread (thx). Still wondering about the suggestions though….no real feedback/follow-up.

    I’m one of the Administrators on Game of Thrones Wiki.

  • Arthur:
    Josla,

    Nathalie is a beautiful woman that has those womanly curves that drive me crazy…

    If she is giving a nude scene I hope D&D handle it with care and give the scene eligance and do it artfully…

    She is not a porn star stand-in and has rare beauty that should be showcased within a beautiful artistic environment and be very sensual… Not some cheap boob shot.

    Just saying.

    I totally agree with you. Im all for a tasteful nude scene. If she is to be innocently bathing in the river to “develop” that part of her character, then I’m ok with that. The fact that certain scene between Dany and her handmaiden is canon is what suggests -in my opinion- the possibility. As I stated in my previous posts I consider this is unnecessary and wouldn’t like it. I hope you guys are right and the river scene is something completely different, but remember you dont have to be a pornstar in order to film a sex scene

  • SHK12344: I don’t think they are just getting topless. It would be very easy to find actresses or just any individuals who is willing to go topless, but I think the producers are looking for someone who is willing to simulate sexual intercourse without any hesitation.

    This. It is a line most legitimate actresses are not willing to cross, and no doubt Nina Gold has made that clear to D&D. They are hiring who they need to advance their vision of the series. Like it or not.

  • I’ve updated the post above to reflect this but I’ll add the info here as well- Jane McGrath, whose casting was announced a couple weeks ago and people were speculating she might be Dalla or even Val- her agency CV has her role updated now and her character name is Sissy.

    No one in the books has that name, and I doubt they’d rename a significant character that so I think it’s safe to say she’s a random Craster wife or member of Mance’s bunch.

  • Josla,

    I’d be fine with a sensual scene here and there to balance out all the sexual brutality that appears to be in store (Craster’s Keep and pornstar cameos).

    Nathalie IMO is one of the most beautiful actresses involved in the show. I have posted many times before and many agreed that in season 3 it appeared as if D&D were trying to hide her beauty so it didn’t distract your eye from Dany’s beauty.

    I’m glad she is giving more attention and that certain Dany scene would be extremely sexy if done properly.

    I’m sure D&D notice how bad True Blood became these last couple seasons and as long as the sex/love scenes are far and few between everything will be fine.

    If D&D deem it necessary to show the TV viewer how lonely Dany is and how she is like everyone of us as far as having a desire to be touched and loved by showing us a love scene with Missandei then I’m all for it as long as it’s done with taste and sensuality.

  • loco73: I swear it has become such a tiresome ritual to have to always discuss this matter each and every time, not to mention the really offensive part of all this that this criticism is levelled against women especially and adult actresses specifically who are much easier to target for some perceived moral offense and outrage!

    I don’t think the hue and cry is against the actresses at all. I think it is the way simulated sex acts are handled on GOT (and if you have any doubt about what is considered a simulated sex act, simply look at the casting call for the parts filled by adult film actresses). It would be much more helpful for those who are in favor of D&D’s judgment to argue here why soft pornography is an important part of GOT. The nudity debate is long over.

    Legitimate actresses can not retreat from simulated sex acts, even in critically acclaimed shows. If they could, don’t you think they’d be standing in line to be cast in this show?

    Edit to add: Nina Gold has a long and distinguished career as a casting director. She wouldn’t insult the folks she’s worked with for years by offering them roles suited to adult actors. If some actor wanted such a role, they’d approach her.

  • Arthur: I’m sure D&D notice how bad True Blood became these last couple seasons and as long as the sex/love scenes are far and few between everything will be fine.

    You have much more faith in D&D’s taste than I do. One thing the show did have in common with TB last season was a complete shut-out from the major Emmy awards.

  • DH87,

    AFAIR, GoT was nominated for three major Emmys this year and had absolutely zero chance in all of the three. Expect the repeat next year, when Breaking Bad will be eligible for the second half of the fifth season and will take every award it’s nominated for.

  • Alex Greyjoy,

    Agree completely. BB is superbly written, plotted, acted, and conceptualized. Its final eight episodes could serve as a tutorial to showrunners on how to create a riveting, ground-breaking show without resorting to lowest-common-denominator t&a for the “pervs” in its audience.

  • DH87,

    Every showrunner should study those final eight episodes in order to learn how to finish a series. I’m looking at you, hacks who were responsible for the last season of Dexter.

    I love GoT and I think it’s one of the best dramas currently on TV, I followed this site more or less from the beginning, watched all the episodes several times, bought both seasons on Blu-Ray. I have no problem with most of the stuff that gets bashed here, including the nudity. It didn’t have a chance at the Emmys not because it’s bad, but because those who won were better.

  • DH87,

    Thanks for the reply. I do think that sex scenes, yes even soft core porn ones have a place in the show. Sex is shown in all it’s guises, sometimes it is pure lust and attraction, sometimes it is tender and sweet and accompanied by feelings of love and care, other times it is pure exhibition, raunchy, filthy and even pointless. So, personally, speaking for myself only, I have no issues with the simulated sex scenes nor how they are portrayed on GoT. To my mind, Starz’s “Spartacus” (take your pick which season) had a lot more gratuitos sex scenes and sometimes unnecessary sexposittion. And even that doesn’t bother me…

    Now, I agree, if the show was loaded with just that aspect to the exclusion of key plot points or action set pieces, then yes that would be a problem. Yet as far as I can see that has hardly been an issue on the show. Sex is part of life and to deny that and go around its earnest and explicit portrayal, when everything else is done in that manner, including violence, would be a betrayal of the show ‘s vision as well as that of the novels (by the way the novels I find are quite a lot more explicit in their portrayal of both nudity and sexuality).

  • Also, agree with others here on the whole issue of the Emmy snubs. I am not, nor will I ever be surprised by the wholesale ignorance exposed by these awards and the people behind them. That is why I never watch or pay attention to them.

    After all these are the awards that virtually ignored shows like “The Wire”, and “OZ”…”Game Of Thrones ” is in good company!

    Ta…

  • Alex Greyjoy: It didn’t have a chance at the Emmys not because it’s bad, but because those who won were better.

    Once again, I agree. I’d hazard a guess that GOT was not even a first or second runner-up in the major categories for which it was nominated. IMO, not only BB but also Homeland, Mad Men, and Downton Abbey, although not without flaws, were superior in taste and execution. All are more sophisticated shows, and oddly enough, almost entirely devoid of explicit sexual content.

  • loco73:
    Great casting news during an otherwise slow period for all GoT faithfuls! After doing a very ahem…exhaustive research…ahem…. on all the actresses mentioned in the posting, I must say I approve! Two thumbs up! (at least I think one is a thumb…)

    I was wondering when the trolls and the bitching and moaning was going to start!

    I remember most of your posts, loco73 ,primarily because you had something profound
    or witty to say……. but not anything remotely similar to the rant above. Hoping
    this is just a non ideal thread to read through. Lay off the Dornish Red, mate.
    If you’re sober already, then the past bickerings here may have had more impact
    than you’d realised . I take a break during those days. *>*

    WildSeed,

    You’re not alone. Moldy bread is off the list, too ( :

  • That moment when you realize that “yes, absolutely, Benioff and Weiss want softcore pornography in this show”. Once you reach this epiphany, you sort of resign yourself to it. I think I have. In my mind, I file it under “raw and gritty realism” in the portrayal of sexuality.
    If you watch other HBO series like Deadwood or Rome even, it’s just window dressing but in GoT the sex and nudity is telegraphed as “the sex scene”. What interests me is why D & D feel this approach is necessary? Their both married with kids, is it some form of self gratification for them outside their respective personal spheres or do they believe it has an artful purpose? If I was show runner it would bother me that of all the wonderful attributes the series possesses, the sex and nudity seems to be one of its defining characteristics. The majority of print media always references the sexual aspect.

  • Ours is the Fury:
    I’ve updated the post above to reflect this but I’ll add the info here as well- Jane McGrath, whose casting was announced a couple weeks ago and people were speculating she might be Dalla or even Val- her agency CV has her role updated now and her character name is Sissy.

    No one in the books has that name, and I doubt they’d rename a significant character that so I think it’s safe to say she’s a random Craster wife or member of Mance’s bunch.

    Thanks for this update.

  • DH87: Edit to add: Nina Gold has a long and distinguished career as a casting director. She wouldn’t insult the folks she’s worked with for years by offering them roles suited to adult actors. If some actor wanted such a role, they’d approach her.

    This is reasonable given her previous successes , may even be industry protocol.

  • DH87: Once again, I agree. I’d hazard a guess that GOT was not even a first or second runner-up in the major categories for which it was nominated. IMO, not only BB but also Homeland, Mad Men, and Downton Abbey, although not without flaws, were superior in taste and execution. All are more sophisticated shows, and oddly enough, almost entirely devoid ofexplicit sexual content.

    Some of the shows you listed are on channels where nudity cannot be shown. But i’m sure your peanut sized brain can’t comprehend that. If Mad Men was on HBO do you think it would be entirely devoid of nudity? Sopranos never got any Emmy love because of all the nudity and sex right? Right?

    The Emmys are the biggest joke of an award show. It is entirely political and not based on merit. Big Bang Theory winning Outstanding Comedy? Are you fucking kidding me. How many Emmy’s did the esteemed “Wire” win? One of the greatest shows of all time did not garner a single nomination for outstanding drama once. Did not have a single actor nominated in the actor categories. I’m guessing there was to much sex and or it did not have the sophistication of other nominees.

    I’d hazard a guess that you were conceived during a conjugal visit.

  • loco73: To my mind, Starz’s “Spartacus” (take your pick which season) had a lot more gratuitos sex scenes and sometimes unnecessary sexposittion.

    I disagree that there was GS in Spartacus. The show didn’t shrink from portraying the degradation and subjugation that caused the historical slave uprising. Master-slave sex always emphasized the Roman belief that violence, perversion, sexual excess, and cruelty were the keys to world domination and cultural influence. That gladiators were both the most reviled of the slave class and most sexually attractive to equestrian class women (and men) was a real-life cognitive dissonance. In contrast, the tenderness of the show’s slave relationships, particularly same-sex relationships, just emphasized the absolute corruption of Roman society, which, after all, was what the whole show was about.

  • D&D are such monsters. How dare they twist the esteemed and sex-less works of GRRM, a man who is above the cheap and tawdry sexual content befitting poorly written romance novels and HBO adaptations.

    “There were soft, wet sounds. Bran realized they were kissing. He watched, wide-eyed and frightened, his breath tight in his throat. The man had a hand down between her legs, and he must have been hurting her there, because the woman started to moan, low in her throat. “Stop it,” she said, “stop it, stop it. Oh, please …” But her voice was low and weak, and she did not push him away. Her hands buried themselves in his hair, his tangled golden hair, and pulled his face down to her breast.”

    “He stopped then, and drew her down onto his lap. Dany was flushed and breathless, her heart fluttering in her chest. He cupped her face in his huge hands and she looked into his eyes. “No?” he said, and she knew it was a question.
    She took his hand and moved it down to the wetness between her thighs. “Yes,” she whispered as she put his finger inside her.”

    “He could taste the wine on her lips, and feel her small firm breasts pressed against him as her fingers moved to the lacings of his breeches. “My lion,” she whispered when he broke off the kiss to undress. “My sweet lord, my giant of Lannister.” Tyrion pushed her toward the bed. When he entered her, she screamed loud enough to wake Baelor the Blessed in his tomb, and her nails left gouges in his back. He’d never had a pain he liked half so well.”

    “Dany knew her face was flushed, but in the darkness Irri surely could not tell. Wordless, the handmaid put a hand on her breast, then bent to take a nipple in her mouth. Her other hand drifted down across the soft curve of belly, through the mound of fine silvery-gold hair, and went to work between Dany’s thighs. It was no more than a few moments until her legs twisted and her breasts heaved and her whole body shuddered. She screamed then. Or perhaps that was Drogon. Irri never said a thing, only curled back up and went back to sleep the instant the thing was done.”

    “”Touch me, ser,” the woman whispered in his ear. His hand slipped down her rounded belly to find the sweet wet place beneath the thicket of black hair. “Yes, there,” she murmured as he slipped a finger up inside her. She made a whimpering sound, drew him to the bed, and pushed him down. “More, oh more, yes, sweet, my knight, my knight, my sweet white knight, yes you, you, I want you.” Her hands guided him inside her, then slipped around his back to pull him closer. “Deeper,” she whispered. “Yes, oh.” When she wrapped her legs around him, they felt as strong as steel. Her nails raked his back as he drove into her, again and again and again, until she screamed and arched her back beneath him. As she did, her fingers found his nipples, pinching till he spent his seed within her. I could die now, happy, the knight thought, and for a dozen heartbeats at least he was at peace.”

    And lets not forget the explicitly described rape scenes littered throughout GRRM’s work that you people are oblivious to.

    I swear to God, GRRM could piss in a cup and you all would call it wine, but if D&D offer you cold clear water and you all would squint in suspicion and mutter to each other about how queer it tastes.

  • Don’t Care,

    Thanks so much for your erudite post.

    “Some of the shows you listed are on channels where nudity cannot be shown.” Untrue: nudity can be shown on basic cable (with judicious blurring of certain body parts) and is shown, routinely. Nudity, although not full-frontal, also appears on PBS, if tastefully done. Simulated sex acts are not shown on either basic cable or PBS.

    “If Mad Men was on HBO, do you think it would be entirely devoid of nudity?” As a matter of fact, HBO turned down Mad Men, just as it was.

    That said, my peanut-sized brain (note the hyphenation of a two-word adjective modifying the noun) forces me to point out that your latter statement requires the subjunctive form of the verb to be (“If Mad Men were on HBO”) as a condition contrary to fact. There was not “to much sex,” but rather “too much,” although “to/two/too” can be confusing to anyone still in the sixth grade. Your sentence “Sopranos never got any Emmy love because of all the nudity and sex right?” should have included a comma after “sex,” since it is a form of direct address. Your rhetorical statement “Are you fucking kidding me” would have had greater impact if the requisite question mark had been allowed to take its rightful place at the end of the sentence. “Emmy’s” should be “Emmys,” a plural proper noun requiring no apostrophe since since it’s not possessive of much of anything. “Outstanding drama” should have been capitalized. Finally, in your sentence beginning “One of…,” the use of “single” and “once” is redundant and the statement following that is not a sentence at all but a sentence fragment lacking a subject.

    Neither of my parents served any time in prison. My mother was something of a Latin scholar and my father won a Bronze Star at the Battle of the Bulge.

  • Don’t Care: I swear to God, GRRM could piss in a cup and you all would call it wine, but if D&D offer you cold clear water and you all would squint in suspicion and mutter to each other about how queer it tastes.

    Well, it does seem that GRRM honed his writing skills from Penthouse Forum. Other than the sex, I guess there isn’t much else within these smut-filled tomes that can engage the reader. Damn, we’re all victims of a massive charade. I feel so dirty.

    Don’t you have an ass to wipe?

  • Josla: About Craster’s I’m really glad they’re expanding the story. It felt kind of incomplete to me in the books since we never knew what happened to those poor women. Hopefully some of them will be rescued and taken to the wall… this also brings the possibility of a more interesting arc for Grenn and Ed (if they’re alive of course) and possibly Bran.

    Same thought here ! Really glad they delve deeper into this arc ! And I wanna see Karl and Rast again !

  • Lin Beifunk,

    You need to ban a whole geographic area for it to be effective. A bit excessive, don’t you think?

    And even then, there’s still the possibility for the “banned” user to use a proxy.

  • I actually didn’t find the Irri scene unnecessary. To me, it signaled character development – Dany using her servant in a way any local/westerosi king would do without hesitation to keep a clear head

  • When an author commits words to paper, there is a an un-contained flow of words
    that paint subtle and vivid images. Let’s say sexual intercourse or foreplay. Maybe another
    well described scene of Ramsey Snow methodical skinning alive one of his victims. Does
    the audience really need to view every screen shot of that ? This is no secret to those who
    write or read. The rendition or adaptation to screen only needs a nuance of the original,
    for efficiency. Not that many viewers would want to sit through it, or directors willing
    to extend the expense. At some point, both the screen production and audience
    makes peace with this reality.

    Comparing the original writer with script writer or show runners, is anything but
    reasonable. These are two separate vehicles, sometimes the success of one does
    not depend on the other. They are judged separately. Imagine how Terry Goodkind
    feels about his book series poorly adapted as it was. At some point the fandom
    needs to accept the realites and responsibility of the show runners. When gratuitous
    scenes are favoured over pivotal scenes or content, the execs are the ones that face
    the critics, as they should.

    I’ve come to accept Game of Thrones for what it is, for whatever it is to become,
    a measure of success. So far I’m enjoying the show immensely, but I weigh it
    against my disappointment as well. Unequal comparisons of author and show
    do merit discussion, and I’m no loss for words, but let’s be rational for now,
    and discontinue disparaging reasonable point of views by the fandom. The
    points expressed above appear to be irrational in discounting Benioff & Weiss’s
    role.

  • DH87,

    I disagree. It was either GOT or BB this year. Homeland was aweful and came off the rails and Mad Men was ‘meh’ for the second consecutive season. GOT tied BB for best drama at the Critics Choice awards. Obviously the Emmy voters are on a whole other level of haughtiness, but being rewarded by well respected top critics ain’t too shabby either. I think it is ridiculous to ridicule GOT for only winning 2 Emmy’s when it lead all TV series in nominations.

  • Arkash: Same thought here ! Really glad they delve deeper into this arc ! And I wanna see Karl and Rast again !

    I think we were going to see them despite these ( possibly ) expanded scenes.
    There’s a lot brewing at Castle Black, with Jon’s return, and other relevant
    if pivotal moments ahead. Winter is Coming *>*

  • The thing about adult actresses who have to appear nude on screen is that they must have real boobs, so it’s something they have to be cautious about when casting them !

  • DH87,

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Critics Choice does have dramatically different (and better) tastes than the Emmy’s, though. It’s almost anti-Emmy, rewarding the high quality shows and performances that the Emmy’s criminally ignore (Exhibit A: Nick Offerman has never been nominated for an emmy for his fantastic performance as Ron Swanson, but gets recognition at Critics Choice). I think it’s entirely possible that the same people who rewarded Jeff Daniels didn’t have Game of Thrones in their sights.

    However, let’s not use GOT’s loss as a way to justify our own personal issues with the show. Or pretend that, because Game of Thrones had one soft porn scene this season (that I can think of), it was executed worse than the inconsistent and disappointing seasons of Mad Men or Downton Abbey. The main obstacle for Game of Thrones is not its occasional gratuitous nudity but that it is a genre show that has mass appeal, not elite appeal.

    I am glad it was nominated, though. I don’t watch enough shows to get too upset about who wins, but I want quality work recognized at least through nominations. GOT losing to what is reportedly an excellent show does not upset me as much as the snubbing of NCW, Monica Potter, Nick Offerman and others that don’t even get nominated.

  • This casting news make me laught a lot just for possible of reactions of girls on ONTD. I hope this casting will be mentioned there. They are always laud about how GoT is overly sexual and sexist in first sentence and demand to see more cocks in second one.

    About GoT and sexuality, i think the adaptation is in rights hands, showrunners are clearly not prudes, neither is GRRM and his books. Nakedness is usually well used maybe with exception of KL brothel scenes, which really sometime look like they are there just for nakedness. I also can not wait for Missandei scenes:)

    About Emmy, piracy records are better then that, since they also predate dvd sales records. Emmy are about policy more then quality anyway. Some shows are overhyped, some actors performances overlooked. Show like BB is perfect for this sort of rewards, it is not really controversial at all, it have white american middle class family in center, it is cautionary tale, it is well written, its characters have plenty of screen time, but its still overhyped. It deserved its first emmy for best drama, but those serial emmy victories by cast are silly, other actors on other shows exist too and they also give excellent performances (better then Aaron Paul anyway).

  • Crozyr:
    They still haven’t cast Lisa Ann.

    Kate Dickie was confirmed as returning months ago…

    Oh wait, I read that as “Lysa Arryn” with Lysa misspelt. Who is Lisa Ann?

  • Hodor’s Bastard: Well, it does seem that GRRM honed his writing skills from Penthouse Forum. Other than the sex, I guess there isn’t much else within these smut-filled tomes that can engage the reader. Damn, we’re all victims of a massive charade. I feel so dirty.

    Don’t you have an ass to wipe?

    I can’t speak for Don’t Care’s opinion, but my point (where I agree essentially with what s/he wrote) wasn’t that we’re all “victims of a massive charade”, it’s just that GRRM’s story has just as much narratively unnecessary, gratuitous sex as D&D’s interpretation does… But fans tend to forgive GRRM, but not D&D.

    Sure, some of the HBO Sexploitation and Sexposition has been pretty crap (particularly in S1, but an honorable mention to Theon’s gelding assistants in S3), but then again I found a lot of the GRRM sex scenes felt to me like they were written by a 14-year-old nerdy boy too!

    Remember, GRRM received a fair amount of criticism about the portrayal of sexuality and (particularly) rape, long before the show came out…

    I’ve always thought the same about the fan reaction to the absence of Strong Belwas – imagine if he wasn’t in the books, and D&D randomly came up with the idea to include a fat, brown slave stereotype, who doesn’t really do anything other characters couldn’t, except to slap his belly and give one-liners in broken English for comedic effect… The fans would be baying for D&D’s blood, not to mention the possibility of e.g. the Huffington Post running articles on the implied racism of the character, a la the Crowdsurfing-White-Saviour-gate at the end of last season!

    And anyway, let’s see what the Adult Actresses are actually doing before we write them off as a symptom of why the show didn’t win an Emmy… If it’s just so they have someone to be part of a scene with some raping by the Mutineers, then it might be legit for the story.

  • The chit-chat here made me think of a cartoon I saw in “Punch” (a discontinued satirical British magazine) where a teenage boy is reading “girlie” magazines and his Dad is saying to his Mum “I can’t wait until he grows too old for’adult’ literature”. To be honest I found the lead-up to the Theon “most unkindest cut of all” too strong for my stomach though thankfully they didn’t show the actual “unkindest cut”. I’ve had mixed feelings about the nudity scenes; I could see the validity of Daenerys being clad only in her dragons after Khal Drogo’s cremation as it’s to emphasise that she survived by magic but her clothes didn’t. I’ve found some of the nude scenes gratuitous but am prepared to overlook them because the story overall is good. Nathalie Emmanuel isn’t a porn actress. Before “Game of Thrones” she was best known in the UK at least for a teenage soap opera “Hollyoaks” – not my cup of tea, but then it’s not aimed at me, it’s aimed at teenagers. Of course people did get married very young in Medieval times – actually in the UK the age of consent was not raised to 16 until Victorian times and the reason people campaigned to have it raised was because some men were getting away with raping girls as young as 12 by saying the act had not been with the girl’s agreement. History lesson over – and apologies to people who already know that fact.

  • I couldn’t give a damn about nudity or adult situations , except for scenes that uselessly waste time.

    What I want to know is why return to CRASTERS KEEP?!

    By Sam II in SoS we are done with it, at least as far as I remember.

    As far as I can see it’s gonna be a scene of , I hope brief, massacre by The Others and a party of Wights on whoever stayed at the Keep.
    Otherwise time spent there is a waste of time.

  • It appears that the intelijerk ratio is far exceeding the troll folk. More doucebags than assholes on here.

    And I just come for the savory snacks.

  • Rygar,

    I’ve never been called an “intelijerk” before though I’d rather be an intelijerk than a thicko-jerk. I realise the Ice and Fire novels are fantasy and George RR Martin could write about a world with a green sky if he wanted but they are loosely based on Medieval Europe. It’s off topic I know but I get a bit frustrated when people don’t seem to realise how few rights women – and indeed most men – had in Medieval times. Enjoy the snacks.

  • OldeCrone,

    I like to think that I coined that term. But I would not put you in that classification, yet. ;). Intelijerks use their articulate manner to berate and demean others. Your last post was just intelligent.

    The snacks are lovely, especially the wild seeds with wasabi. Crunchy and spicy but you have to brush after every bite.

  • Rygar,

    Rygar,

    Rygar, If your post was not aimed at me I apologise unreservedly for my statement, though I note you are reserving the right to put me in that category in the future if I’m naughty. I shall have to mind my ps and qs around you (and that is typed with my tongue firmly in my cheek). If certain posters demean others doesn’t that contravene the rules of the site about posting comments? Well, although I enjoy perusing the comments, I MUST drag myself away and actually do some work …….

  • Off topic: Eastbound and Down final season starts this Sunday.

    “You don’t retire from being awesome!” – K Powers.

  • Loki,

    holy sh*t ” I sense a lot of pointless scenes with bran in it” I just woke up and almost spit my coffee all over my keyboard. that’s the funniet sh&t ive heard in days. either pointless scenes with bran or pointless crasters keep with some b-list acting. heres what I want in season 4. 50% of the episodes are concerning dorne and the red viper,the sand snakes, more ramsey, why not make pointless stories about that bad ass to further his depraved acts and make viewers like/dislike him more?, and more hound arya, tons more hound arya. actually just red viper and arya and hound. well. and one more thing some jewels from ashaai….

  • GRRM does write explicit/graphic sex scenes but IMHO they do not fall in the category of gratuitous, which many HBO GOT scenes do… (ie Loras sex scene undermining the feelings he had for Renley, Daario sneaking into Dany’s bath tent, or Pod’s reward).

    I would like to give D&D the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps they are pressured by HBO to include gratuitous and graphic nudity in almost every episode.

    If the list of porn actresses were hired for a massive Craster Keep rapefest then it’s obvious we’re in for more of the same this season.

  • DH87: Once again, I agree. I’d hazard a guess that GOT was not even a first or second runner-up in the major categories for which it was nominated. IMO, not only BB but also Homeland, Mad Men, and Downton Abbey, although not without flaws, were superior in taste and execution. All are more sophisticated shows, and oddly enough, almost entirely devoid ofexplicit sexual content.

    That is a matter of preference and particular taste mate! You like what you like and more power to you. If you think those shows are better in so far as the aspects you described who is to say to the contrary.

    To me for example “Homeland” is an awful show, I like Claire Danes, always had a soft spot for her since her days in “My So-Called Life” , Mandy Patinkin I’ve known for many, many years but completely won me over in “Dead Like Me” and Damian Lewis of course from his excellent work on “Band Of Brothers” …ditto for Morena Baccarin on “Firefly”. But the show itself became unwatchable after the firs few episodes of the first season.
    Never could get into “Mad Men” and I have paid little attention to the show in recent years. As for “Breaking Bad” , after having watched shows like “The Wire”, “The Shield”, “Brotherhood”, “Deadwood”, “OZ” , “Breaking Bad” is nothing special (I know …it’s sacrilege to say such things). I’ve tried several times to get engaged by the show, tried to watch several episodes, up to and including the full series marathon taking place on AMC …but it ain’t happening…Walter White…meet detective Vic Makey!
    As for “Downtown Abbey” I’ll take a page from Bill Maher and say “If I wanted to see a show about a sexually repressed man, his boring wife and annoying kids…I would have followed the Mitt Romney campaign!” (mind you I’m paraphrasing).
    We all like what we like, and that is the beauty of it, if we all liked the same things all the time it would be a pretty boring world.

  • WildSeed,

    So if basically I don’t have anything witty and profound to say I’m disqualified from posting on here?! So people cannot rant once in while…hmmm interesting…

    That part of my rant where I talked about the adult actresses was more addressed to the way some people talk about them (and other women) with such disdain. As a social worker I oftentimes deal with the end results of this disdain in the form of all the abused women I come face to face and work with. While people are free to express themselves as they will, I also have the right to reply in kind at the cavalier and ignorant attitude I sometimes see, even on a board primarily dedicated to discussions about “Game Of Thrones”.

    Sorry if I’ve offended anyone’s sensibilities…well no, not really….

  • Why are we calling them “Craster wives” or “a Craster wife” instead of simply calling them “Craster’s wives” or “a wife of Craster”?

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    GRRM does write explicit/graphic sex scenes but IMHO they do not fall in the category of gratuitous, which many HBO GOT scenes do… (ie Loras sex scene undermining the feelings he had for Renley, Daario sneaking into Dany’s bath tent, or Pod’s reward).

    What’s the point of book sex scenes then? What do they contribute to the storytelling that can’t be explained by a simple ” … and then they had sex”? Why do we need to read about fat pink masts, Myrish swamps, Daario’s cock, descriptions of 13-14 year old girls’ naked bodies? Most of those scenes in the books are as gratuitous as it gets.

    I would like to give D&D the benefit of the doubt and say that perhaps they are pressured by HBO to include gratuitous and graphic nudity in almost every episode.

    I believe it’s the case. All the other high profile HBO shows have a lot of nudity too. In fact, I think Boardwalk Empire has more nudity than GoT.
    On somewhat related note, I’ve read a very long interview with the cast and the creators of Party Down – a comedy show that ran for two seasons on Starz channel a couple of years ago – and the people behind the show said that they were encouraged by the channel people to add random boobs, just because it’s possible on cable. That’s why one of the episodes took place at an Adult Industry awards afterparty and another had an almost orgy

  • Mister Stoneheart,

    If you read any of the posts, you would learn that casting directors don’t hire actual actors for simulated sex scenes because its a black mark on their career. No actor or actress wants to cross that line. Nudity is fine, but overtly simulating sex like soft-core pornography Blue Movies won’t take you very far in your acting career. There are a few exceptions. But not many.
    Now if you have sex off camera to improve your career that’s a different story!

  • OldeCrone,

    I don’t know whether anybody spotted my “deliberate mistake” and I never tell lies in an earlier post “actually in the UK the age of consent was not raised to 16 until Victorian times and the reason people campaigned to have it raised was because some men were getting away with raping girls as young as 12 by saying the act had not been with the girl’s agreement”. Of course I should have said they were alleging the act “had been with the girl’s agreement”.

    I have no idea why they are casting so many “adult” actresses – okay I can make a guess that there will be a certain amount of some parties revealing what other parties think they should be concealing. Surely the working life of an “adult” actress cannot be all that long — if somebody in that line of work has common sense she will put money aside for a rainy day – or get some bona fide acting training. Some may go on to become “real” actresses – well show Shae did, but if they do so they are going to have their past hanging over them.

  • Lol I can’t believe we’re talking about nudity again…Hodor’s Bastard ask me before if I could imagine GoT on NBC, well were I live they do show GoT on what would be the equivalent of NBC so imagine how otherwordly this debate sounds for some ;)

  • A Vulture.com article from 2009 declared Sibel Kekilli the Number One porn-star-turned legitimate actress and notes that she worked under a different name while in adult films. A few mainstream filmmakers have tried to bridge the gulf between adult and legitimate films (most recently, Steven Soderbergh and Paul Schrader), banking on the adult-film audience demographics to translate into legitimate-film ticket sales, but adult-star casting is still considered stunt casting. It tends to overshadow all other elements of a film.

    Whether this prejudice is the result of long-held beliefs that only desperate, talentless people “sink” to the level of adult films, the feeling that prostitution and porn are linked, or statistics proving that adult-film patrons are not legitimate-film patrons, it’s hard to say. It isn’t hard to envision why legitimate actors aren’t eager to work with animals or children…..or adult-film actors….since all three tend to overshadow everyone else associated with the production.

    Edit to add: A comparable brouhaha erupted over the 50 Shades of Grey casting, with many legitimate actors/actresses supposedly passing on the lead roles due to the graphic nature of the content.

  • DH87,

    Then there’s the case of legit actors participating in unsimulated sexual intercourse on screen. Chloe Sevigny in The Brown Bunny comes first to mind. It pretty much killed her indie career but she was able to get cast for Big Love and now has been doing quite well on cable television. In contrast, there Margo Stilley who filmed Michael Winterbottom’s Nine Songs and where has she been since? Winterbottom is a more than moderately acclaimed independent filmmaker but Stilley hasn’t moved on from her turn in that film.

    So it is possible to beat the stigma, and sometimes it is not.

    Conversely there are allegations that Sevigny was manipulated by Vincent Gallo to film the infamous sequence. And as panned as the Brown Bunny was, it is amusing to read reviews at the time from respectable critics defending THAT scene.

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    Yes. Most of the sex scenes in the books are both, especially when they involve underage characters.

    And before you or any other esteemed poster point out that the books are based on Medieval Europe and it was OK to bang 13-year olds then, I’ll say that Westeros is a fictional land and GRRM was free to invent whatever rules he wanted. Those books are not about Philippa of Hainault (married an 13) or Margarete of Anjou (married at 15), they are about fictional characters.

    All I’m saying is that those of you who every year participate in the same ritual of blaming D&D for putting random boobs in the show, should probably re-read the books.

  • I don’t think the problem is “legitimate” actresses being unwilling do to simulated sex scenes – that happens often enough – but rather them not being particularly interested in roles that are nothing but a simulated sex scene.

    To members of the British adult industry, however, these very same roles must seem like a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be involved in a mainstream production of such magnitude and reputation. So I wouldn’t be surprised if the rise in the number of porn actresses involved in the show would be largely owed to the fact that more and more of them are auditioning for the show now that it has become clear that the showrunners are not adverse to casting them.

  • loco73,

    Suffice to say, All of us here have experienced those moments. Some learn to
    be mum, when subjects don’t interest them, or bickering takes over the
    comment thread. The remaining feel it’s their duty to correct everyone’s thinking.
    I’ve been on both sides of that fence, including taking a needed break from the
    site…. to, well you know, get back to real life. My guess is just that you may have
    been having an imperfect day.

    There is a pattern to certain folk who comment here, and most responses that
    follow suit. I remember , for the most part, your contributing interesting comments,
    which is a compliment BTW. When absurdity runs high on scale, one has to ask
    themselves, is what I think I must say really worth putting forth (?) Or just a blast
    because one doesn’t give a damn.

    When subsequent if unrelated comments prove interesting
    ( even absurdly amusing ), the repartee is easily reciprocated.
    I look forward to those brief interludes, and the posts that
    these inspire. And yes, you have been among those. Forgive
    me if I’ve misremembered.

    I’ve only been around since late season 1 GoT, with regular and intermittent
    visits. I’ve ascertained much during these visits…. including noticing that Many
    Frustrated and Well Meaning Posters have Never Returned…… which is very sad
    indeed. *>*

  • MRR:
    Why are we calling them “Craster wives” or “a Craster wife” instead of simply calling them “Craster’s wives” or “a wife of Craster”?

    For the same reason that many here remain fixated on referring to the
    ( Oberyn’s daughters) Martell/ Sand sisters as ” Sand Snakes ” , including
    other monikers that abound. Some people have actually forgotten
    the original name, which is amusing.

  • I enjoy Homeland, but whereas the first season was taut, smart, and multilayered, the second was a cartoon. A fun cartoon at times, but definitely more of a guilty pleasure(think True Blood) than a great drama( think BB or GOT). I’ve never really been a Downton Abbey guy, so I don’t feel qualified to compare it, but Mad Men also has become just a pretty good show, IMO. I really fjnd it hard to buy arguments against GOT being one of the two or three best dramas on the air.

    And that was pre-Nathalie Emmanuel’s bare bottom. Dat ass promises to make season four one of the greatest viewing experiences of all time! :)

  • Joshua Atreides,

    Agreed. There was an HBO broadcast of a show called ” Say You Love Me “,
    with not quite well known actors performing lengthy sexual encounters…..
    however, the show’s premise was About Sex. It did not last a season. Only
    one or two actors/actresses have emerged as recognizable ” star “. As these
    roles were mandated by the script, the compliance was necessary. It was a
    rare project, then, and not attempted since. The outcome for the project or
    talent involved was not positive, or perhaps not a winning proposition at
    the time. Then there’s the TrueBlood softporn, which has earned itself more
    ridicule than merit. At least GoT is based on some historical aspect.

  • WildSeed,

    There is much hostility on here. It is often difficult to ignore. I like to have fun here but at times find myself feeling these same transient tendencies that you and others have so inclined.

    If it wasn’t for all the T&A I would be long gone. ;)

  • Alex Greyjoy,

    To a viewing audience, a picture states a thousand words…….
    Some are really intelligent enough to presume or discern the
    nature of the character ( or a scene )…. especially if the scene is
    done well.

  • Alex Greyjoy,

    So what are you saying? That GRRM is a closet Pedo?!

    The fact that you are defending the scenes in the show proves your ignorance in this matter, perhaps you need to re-read the series…

    Once again google gratuitous and look at the definition, GL with life.

  • Rygar:
    WildSeed,

    There is much hostility on here.It is often difficult to ignore.I like to have fun here but at times find myself feeling these same transient tendencies that you and others have so inclined.

    If it wasn’t for all the T&A I would be long gone.;)

    Now you know how I feel.

    BTW, it’s been really great reading some of your exchanges of
    late, the ones without the constant reminder about your genitals.

  • I wonder if there’s a chance one of these male actors isn’t playing the character HBO says they are. Because we should be getting Coldhands next season if at all. With their faces partially covered, they would probably look enough like Benjen if that theory turned out to be true.

  • WildSeed: Now you know how I feel.

    BTW, it’s been really great reading some of your exchanges of
    late, the ones without the constant reminder about your genitals.

    Lol. not sure if you’re being sarcastic or serious. So if you are NOT serious, then just delete the self shot pics I just emailed you.

  • Alex Greyjoy: All I’m saying is that those of you who every year participate in the same ritual of blaming D&D for putting random boobs in the show, should probably re-read the books.

    And all we’re saying, in the nicest possible way, is that those of you who every year participate in the same ritual of absolving D&D from putting random breasts in the show, should probably reread the 2012 Neil Marshall interview http://www.complex.com/pop-culture-/2012/06/neil-marshall-explains-why-game-of-thrones-has-so-much-nudity. :)

  • I remember when the offseason used to be the best season to talk GOT on this site. Now even that is becoming a bummer.

  • DH87,

    Thank you for posting that… We could call them D&D apologists, which makes this site a battle of apologists vs purists lol.

    The only reason I get worked up and even post on here is the constant excuses people make for the dumbing down of an amazing narrative…

  • You two bring the pitch forks and lanterns. I’ll bring the lynching rope. Off to Croatia we go! Look out D&D!

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I suppose any post that mentions four adult-film actors being cast for Season 4 would precipitate a revisiting of the issue of simulated sex acts in GOT. Cause, meet effect.

  • WildSeed,

    “We’ll frankly dear I don’t give a damn!” said Red Buttler….hmmmm at least I think it was him, might have been Cartman…or even Kenny, though just between you and me , I never understand that dude.

    And no, by the way, no I did not have an imperfect day when making that comment, it was a day like all others, you wake up, wonder for a moment who am I and how did I get here, take a royal dump, shower, eat and then you’re out the door…at least I think it’s in that order!

    Anywho, I commented on something I wanted to, based on some things I have seen and experienced. If that was “absurdly amusing”, irrelevant bickering and if you misremember the overall nature of my comments and this one falls sadly and shortly beneath your standards…sorry mate, can’t help you with that one or your disappointment!

    As to the well-meaning posters leaving and not coming back, sorry but can’t speak on that one either, I can only speak for myself… But you are right, don’t let me detain you from your real life, whatever it may be, good luck with everything and be well!

    Cheers.

  • Lots of people getting raped this season. It was on the book, so I don’t mind it. I found it quite weird they didn’t show it on S3.

  • DH87,

    They are extras. Nothing more. You latched on to this news and didn’t seem to comment on Lord Blackmont or the Knight of the Gate. You know, actual actors whose roles were discovered on their agency’s website and not a few porn stars tweeting about how they will be glorified extras in S4.

  • DH87,

    I’ve read that interview. The link you posted gave nothing, so here’s the correct one:
    http://winteriscoming.net/2012/06/blackwater-director-neil-marshall-on-nudity-and-creating-the-battle/

    And here’s the one I talked about in here few posts back, about Party Down and the Starz execs (the relevant part is on page 5). Starz is where Spartacus TV series was aired:
    http://www.details.com/celebrities-entertainment/movies-and-tv/201102/complete-oral-history-starz-comedy-party-down?currentPage=5

    By all accounts from the cast and crew, Starz was a supportive, hands-off partner and allowed the show to operate without being noted to death. The network pushed for only one thing: adult content.

    DAN ETHERIDGE: Let’s put it this way: We were asked by the network, and not in an offensive way, to explore premium content, and part of that was some nudity if it was possible. It made us all flinch a little bit. Porn awards [“Sin Say Shun Awards Afterparty”] was born from trying to take that request and figure out a way to do it that will enhance the show. Failed orgy [“Nick DiCintio’sOrgy Night”], similar thing.

    LIZZY CAPLAN: It really was Starz pushing for boobs, constantly. They loved boobs. I think it was coming from high up. There were just random boobs flying around in our show sometimes.

    RYAN HANSEN: When you read the script, you’re like, “Kyle gets to do a boob test and he squeezes boobs! Oh, dude, that’s gonna be so fun to shoot!” And then you do it, and the girls are, like, quivering and about to cry when you like touch their chest, and you’re like, “Okay, I’m going to try it now . . .” and they’re like [sobbing], “Okaaaay . . .”

    You can call me a D&D apologist or fanboy, but I do believe it’s coming from higher up, just like Neil Marschall described or like it happened with Party Down people and Starz. It’s not like GoT is the only HBO show that has a lot of nudity.
    Ser Endrew Tarth,

    Since English is not my first language and I could be wrong with the meaning of the word “gratuitous”, I googled it. Here’s what I found:
    gra·tu·i·tous
    1. Uncalled for; lacking good reason; unwarranted.
    2. Given or done free of charge.

    I do believe when you say “gratuitous” in relation to the show’s sex scenes – you mean it’s uncalled for and so on. It’s what I remember from English lessons in school. I did mean that the sex scenes in the books are mostly uncalled for, lack good reason and unwarranted.

    And if you defend the sex scenes in the books, including those with underage characters – tell me please why do you think they are necessary to the narrative. What do we learn about Dany when her wedding night is described in detail, that we couldn’t learn by couple of phrases such as ” … and then they left to have their wedding night under the stars and Dany was happy the following day”?

  • Alex Greyjoy,

    Many thanks for the Starz interview. It certainly sounds as though Starz was pushing its agenda upon those showrunners. It’s also possible HBO does the same thing with D&D, despite its reputation for being hands–off, that Marshall was unaware of. Premium channels feel under pressure to provide a television experience that isn’t available elsewhere (a combination of good-to-great TV and strictly “adult” content). They are being squeezed from both sides— Hollywood’s movie fare has proved to be less and less compelling to cash-strapped cable subscribers and basic cable channels like History Channel (e.g., Vikings) and AMC (e.g., Mad Men, Breaking Bad) are providing award-winning drama without relying on t&a. The premium channels in the U.S. have to provide something their viewers can’t get elsewhere to shore up their subscriber base.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap: They are extras. Nothing more. You latched on to this news and didn’t seem to comment on Lord Blackmont or the Knight of the Gate.

    Oh, come on! I came in at something like post 150 on this topic—-but I’m just as happy to leave the discussion. All that needs to be said here seems to have been said.

  • https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151691588552734&set=pb.74133697733.-2207520000.1380258633.&type=3&theater

    And this. Two costumes shown near the slate showing episode 401. Is that the Mountain’s shoulder armour there because that would (perhaps grimly) confirm his having a scene in the first episode with the poor Innkeeper’s Daughter. Is that a Lannister soldier’s red cloak or something to do with Thoros or Melisandre? Let’s speculate.

  • Nezzer,

    As far as I know they are finished shooting exteriors in Dubrovnik and all their further Croatia shooting is Dany stuff. I guess he could be an Unsullied fighter. He doesn’t look Ghiscari so I doubt he’s someone from Yunkai or Meereen.

  • DH87,

    Once again, I agree. I’d hazard a guess that GOT was not even a first or second runner-up in the major categories for which it was nominated. IMO, not only BB but also Homeland, Mad Men, and Downton Abbey, although not without flaws, were superior in taste and execution. All are more sophisticated shows, and oddly enough, almost entirely devoid of explicit sexual content.”


    That’s a ridiculous statement. As other people have pointed out GoT didn’t lose because it had about 2 or 3 brief sex scenes and some nude scenes in S3, they lost because Breaking Bad is really great. If anything looking at past winners for things like Oscars, Emmys, Golden Globes, Hollywood loves to reward movies and TV shows with sexual content and nudity. Homeland had lots of sex/nudity in its first season and won best drama but S2 had very little sex/nudity and lost. I guess we should assume they lost because they didn’t have enough sex and nudity like season 1 right??

    Agree completely. BB is superbly written, plotted, acted, and conceptualized. Its final eight episodes could serve as a tutorial to showrunners on how to create a riveting, ground-breaking show without resorting to lowest-common-denominator t&a for the “pervs” in its audience.

    Thats funny because the Breaking Bad pilot that was written and filmed before any network had picked it up yet and had a gratuitous nude scene with Jessy having sex with some woman so Vince Gilligan originally planned for Breaking Bad to include nude scenes. They also go out of their way to film nude scenes for DVD extras like scenes in strip clubs. The S5 DVD has a special deleted scene called “Chicks ‘N’ Guns” that is just Jesse and his buddies hanging out with some naked stripper. As some others have pointed out the reason shows like Mad Men and Breaking Bad don’t have nudity isn’t because the writers think they are above that kind of content, it’s because the standards and practices of the network they are working for won’t allow them to. It seems that every time I see you posting on here your complaining about the fact that this show has naked people and sex scenes in it. I think you need a new hobby .

  • Joshua Atreides,

    That moment when you realize that “yes, absolutely, Benioff and Weiss want softcore pornography in this show”. Once you reach this epiphany, you sort of resign yourself to it. I think I have. In my mind, I file it under “raw and gritty realism” in the portrayal of sexuality.
    If you watch other HBO series like Deadwood or Rome even, it’s just window dressing but in GoT the sex and nudity is telegraphed as “the sex scene”. What interests me is why D & D feel this approach is necessary? Their both married with kids, is it some form of self gratification for them outside their respective personal spheres or do they believe it has an artful purpose? If I was show runner it would bother me that of all the wonderful attributes the series possesses, the sex and nudity seems to be one of its defining characteristics. The majority of print media always references the sexual aspect.

    Why does it is surprise you that GoT has racy content when it is a premium cable show based on books that have tons of graphic sex. What does them being married or having kids have to do with anything? GoT is tame compared to a lot of the other premium cable shows but those shows aren’t based on super nerdy fantasy books so they don’t have uptight nerdy fans whining about it. You act as if this show is filled with graphic sex scenes. Where exactly is all this porn on GoT, all I remember last season was about 2 or 3 brief sex scenes. They already have toned the sex down a lot, only half the episodes had any nudity last season but it seems like some of the prudes won’t be happy until this show is completely neutered. The main reason you see stuff like this in GoT isn’t because D&D are pervs but because they know despite some of the whining on nerdy websites like this the majority of GoT fans have no issues with nudity or sex scenes and it is part of the appeal of GoT and other premium cable dramas.

    Yeah I know I’m late and this discussion is pretty much over but I had put my two cents in because the constant complaints about this stuff annoy me.

  • Greenjones,

    Melisandre is going to be in E1, since Carice Van Houten got a script for that episode and posted a photo on Instagram. So I’d bet it’s her red cloak.

  • Alex Greyjoy,

    So you are a prude when it comes to the book but love the sex scenes in the show…

    GRRM does not stick a sex scene into every chapter, and yes I do feel that Dany’s first time w/ Drogo is important to her character development as she is dominated, and later turns that around as she develops. Sex is a big part of her marraige dynamic at first as she and Drogo cannot really communicate well (language barrier). I was never opposed to this graphic scene in the show as it has a large impact on the story…

    The sex scenes in the show (not featured in the book), on the other hand, are shoehorned in to ensure we get nudity every episode (just about) and explicit gay scenes simply for shock value. As I said your ignorance amazes me…

    Not to mention your focus on underage sex, are you a closet pedo?

  • JamesL,

    I appreciate your two cents, but understand what I have stated is my opinion. If I recall you yourself have made many complaints regarding the series ie: Ramsay scenes, general woes about thjs and that. I feel my knowledge of film and television (school, a personal hobby and so forth)has given me a credible barometer of what makes quality television. With that criterion in hand for me at least GoT is a very good show with a slight nerdy bias on my side to make it an awesome show. Could it have been as good as The Wire, Breaking Bad, Mad Men etc? Abso-frakking-lutely. I see Benioff’s staging of scenes to fill HBO’s nudity quota as a detriment in the series overall execution and critical impact. It’s not the sex or nudity that offends me ( I am far from a prude) it’s how it’s handled in the series. And from that position I will not be budged. :)

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    Hey, please be civilized. The name calling is really unnecessary.

    If explicit sex scenes with 13 year olds bother me, then I must be a closet pedophile? That’s some very interesting logic.

    IMHO, this scene in the book doesn’t give us any information about Daenerys, because she seems to enjoy it (contrary to the same scene in the show where Drogo basically rapes her) and in the chapters after that she’s suddenly miserable and only after some time she learns to take matters in her own hands, so to speak.

    You still haven’t answered why do you think the scene had to explicit and not just mentioned in 1-2 general sentences. I’d really like to hear your opinion, since you defend the books with almost religious fervor.

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    You’re really acting like a Myrish swamp/fat pink mast…

    The books don’t have the kind of “background nudity” that Game of Thrones (and most HBO/Showtime shows) have, but many of the sex scenes involving POV’s do read as rather trashy and gratuitous, and I’ve definitely raised an eyebrow at the sexually charged nature of descriptions of the underage Dany and Sansa.

    I’m also going to guess that as has been the case previously, all of these porn star “castings” aren’t going to amount to more than 5 minutes of screen time.

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    >and explicit gay scenes simply for shock value.

    Oh no, god forbid we have 9-second-long offscreen sex between Loras and Renly after they have a conversation together which was useful in shedding light on them, the Tyrells, their characters, and the Line of Succession. And that Loras-squire scene nearly lasted a minute and almost showed gay sex also! The horror!

    /sarcasm

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  • People bitching about nudity in the show while defending nudity in the books are ridiculous. GRRM “wastes” as many pages describing sex scenes and big brown nipples as D&D “waste” screen time with naked prostitutes (who most of the time are just lurking behind in the scene).

    I don’t know what the big deal is anyway. Like GRRM himself said, people eagerly accept watching gore and violence, but when a thing as natural as nudity is simply unacceptable. I’d rather have scenes focused on more important things than nudity, but this is HBO, and having gratuitous nudity is a small price to pay for the quality of the show.

  • Ser Endrew Tarth,

    I guess our discussion is over, since you’ve started to question my command of the English language and don’t want to answer my questions. Yes, it’s not my first language, far from it.

  • JamesL,

    That’s really interesting concerning Breaking Bad having sex scenes. And it does pull the rug from under those arguing that high caliber shows AVOID sex. I found Mad Men’s pilot more gratuitous than Game of Thrones’ first episode.

    I think the mentality behind what has sometimes been gratuitous sex AND violence is “this is a gritty TV show. Violence isn’t clean and pretty, and sex is actually a major part of these people’s lives. We’re going to show a lot of it.” Gratuitous sex I think is usually a lot more of an overreaction to prudishness than it is trying to be porn. And I think D&D have learned better where the line is and how not to cross it. They admitted, for example, that dwelling on Ser Hugh’s bloody death was a bit much. As others have noted, there was significantly less nudity this season than in the past. And honestly the only scene that was perhaps gratuitous in S3 was Tyrion’s gift to Pod (which still served some purpose, Tyrion paying his debts and all that). And really I can justify most cases of nudity or sex in the show, excepting Littlefinger’s monologue and the scene surrounding his “comfort” of Ros.

  • Not sure why they’re going back to Craster’s Keep as pretty certain once Craster was killed and after the Night’s Watch rebellion then it’s not featured in the books again. Only thing I can think of is if Crasters Wive’s become Spear Wives and join up with Mance? Casting adult actresses doesn’t bother me. They’re normally throw away parts and having someone naked is not exactly shocking in GoT now is it?
    Just wondering what they’re doing with the Greyjoys and Iron Islands if they’re not introducing Balon’s brothers this season? Surely he needs to die soon to people remember Melisandres curse but Asha/Yara seems to be ploughing far ahead into her storyline to rescue Theon and yet we’ve had no Kings Moot yet which was her main reason for wanting him back!
    I do worry, but the Reeds appeared late and fitted in well so we shall see what happens here!

  • Joshua Atreides: I see Benioff’s staging of scenes to fill HBO’s nudity quota as a detriment in the series overall execution and critical impact. It’s not the sex or nudity that offends me ( I am far from a prude) it’s how it’s handled in the series.

    This. It is the heavy handed treatment of the sex/nudity (and before anyone asks what “heavy-handed treatment” means, I mean scenes that go on too long; scenes seen as not organic to the flow of the show, scenes that rely on nudity to add interest when the dialogue is too talky, unwieldy, or uninteresting, and/or scenes that have one character—typically female—unclothed and the other(s)—typically male, clothed are called out for being unnecessary, tasteless, and gratuitous.

    That said, I was happy to see that in the final scene with Ros, with all its horror, the victim was clothed. That was a defter treatment than we’ve sometimes seen previously and gives hope for the future.

  • DH87: That said, I was happy to see that in the final scene with Ros, with all its horror, the victim was clothed. That was a defter treatment than we’ve sometimes seen previously and gives hope for the future.

    ehhh Ros’s outfit was entirely see-through, not to mention slashed-open. You could see her nipples. Her death scene was rather sexualized.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I agree with the spirit of your comment. However, I took into account the fact that the scene took place in a bedroom, during a paid sexual encounter, and was intended to depict a shocking, degrading act. Given the sensibilities demonstrated previously, I was expecting the actress to be entirely topless, at least.

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