Looking Forward Season 4, Part 6: The Stark and The Hound
By Oz of Thrones on in Editorial, Speculation.

AryaHound“Ah hah!  Not a man at all.  A Houuuuuund!!” –Thoros of Myr

Author’s note:  Paul Kaye was not nominated for an Emmy, and in direct correlation did not win an Emmy.  The Lord of Light will judge the ATAS for this and other treasons accordingly.  Good luck.

Ladies and Gentlemen….

WinterisComing.net, in association with Oz Entertainment Enterprises (which is a completely fabricated entity) brings you another edition of Looking Forward (commonly referred to as “Unsullieds Don’t Know S**t).

This time around is about a little girl and her BIG puppy and maybe a little speculation on just where they might be headed in Season 4.  So unless you are involved in the filming of the upcoming Season or a writer finishing a book that my Sullied friends have been craving for multiple years, read on!  For what else is therefore to do in which to pass the time?

 

First, some random quotes!

Author’s note:  I like random quotes because they randomly make me think of random scenes that I randomly look up on YouTube while avoiding the random YouTube comments.

“What in Seven hells are you doing with the Stark bitch?”Sandor Clegane

Author’s note:  Important quote, not as the most profound statement made on the show to date, but as the quote that seemingly started a beautiful and unlikely relationship that has traveled through the hills and forests of Westeros and endured a very horrific family event.  If ArGenPie had made it out the door of the Inn that day, there would likely be no Hound/Arya combo.

 

“I see a darkness in you.  And in that darkness, eyes staring back at me.  Brown eyes. Blue eyes. Green eyes.  Eyes you’ll shut forever.  We will meet again.”  -Melisandre

Author’s note:  The Lady in Red can presumably see visions of the future and she gives us an indication here of what most of us already knew: that Arya Stark, through her life experiences, is likely destined to become a dangerous person.

 

“Could you bring back a man without a head?  Not six times.  Just once.”Arya Stark

Author’s note:  This quote reminds us that our dangerous little girl is still just a little girl who misses her father.

 

“You’re very kind.  Someday, it’ll get you killed.”Sandor Clegane

Author’s note: While this quote in passing may seem somewhat insignificant to some viewers, Arya begging for the pig farmer’s life reminded me of the Jaime and Brienne run-in with the guy in the woods.  Jaime suggested that he be killed.  Brienne opted for kindness.  They were quickly rounded up by Locke and company on the bridge shortly thereafter because of this decision.  Some would also argue that Ned’s fate was sealed because of his loyalty, morals, and kindness.  Maybe this quote is significant to the well-being of Arya.  Then again, maybe I am overanalyzing a statement that took about 2 seconds of screen time.

Next time you’re going to do something like that, tell me first.”Sandor Clegane

Author’s note: Upon Arya hearing a Frey banner man laughing about the murder of her brother, she quickly fetched the Hound’s knife and gave the banner man the business in his neck.  This quote from Clegane admittedly made me chuckle even as four men lay dying on the ground.  Is this how I was supposed to react?

“Oh shit Arya.  Damn. In the neck.”

Laughs out loud at Clegane’s quote.

“The Hound is awesome.”

Sometimes, I sincerely believe this show should have a disclaimer that advises me to seek professional help.  Before you all have me committed, let’s move on.

Mentors and other influential figures

When you stop to consider all of the characters Arya has been in contact with over the life of the series, it doesn’t take long to realize how much the little warrior princess may have learned by now. Let’s review some, followed by a limit of one sentence per for the sake of time and length of post.  (I would say to the readers to please remind me of anyone I may have left out, but I feel certain you will anyway).

Ned:  Arya’s pop was an honorable man to a fault, but a great fighter nonetheless and obviously made a lasting impression on his youngest daughter.

Robb:  Arya’s brother may have had his issues with being a leader and serving as the “King in the North”, but to her he was likely the best big brother a girl could have.

Jon Snow:  The bastard brother gave Arya her first sword, “Needle”, and the famous advice of which end to use when sticken ‘em.

Syrio:  The Dancing Master gave Arya her intro to swordsmanship and was one of my personal favorite characters (more on him in Looking Forward Part Blah).

Yoren:  The Night’s Watchman shielded Arya’s view of Ned’s beheading, told her how he dealt with losing his brother by repeating the name of the assassin over and over, and was the victim of one of the best death scenes in the show to date.

Gendry:  The bastard of Baratheon became somewhat of a stand-in big brother and likely shared his skills with her as a smith.

Hot Pie:  Who else do you know that can make wolf bread?

Tywin:  When she wasn’t scared to death of her identity being discovered by Paw Paw, Arya was likely consuming much of the inner-workings of  the Lannister plots and schemes being communicated during their stay at Harrenhall.

Jaqen:   What else needs to be said about what this guy did for Arya? (More on him in Looking Forward Part Blah Blah).

Anguy:  Is there a better person to learn archery from than a guy who can shoot an arrow in the sky and still hit the middle of a Hot Pie?

Beric and Thoros:  If nothing else, Arya was shown the power of the Lord of Light as Beric was resurrected a sixth time with the help of Thoros.

And now….. A Hound!!

 

Whatta We Do Now?

Arya and Sandor will almost certainly be venturing somewhere, and hopefully for a long time.  Their screen time together is surprisingly entertaining.  The fun part of being a non-book reader is rendering guesstimates as to the “where”.  The fun part of being a book reader is being able to laugh at us for doing so.  So without further ado, here are a few possibilities from your local village idiot.

The Umbers

The Good: If Osha and Rickon were sent there by Bran because they would be safe, why wouldn’t Arya think that she would be safe there too?  Arya could use some down time, and it would be especially pleasing to see at least two of the Stark children reunite in a safe environment.

The Bad: How safe is it?  If it is common knowledge that the Umbers are supporters of the Starks, then how long will it take before Roose or Tywin go looking for them there?  Maybe this is a bad idea.

The Potentially Ugly:  In the meantime, maybe Osha and the Hound could hook up and bless us all with some wildling puppies.

The Wall

The Good:  We know Jon is there and we know the Wall can offer temporary shelter in time of need, especially to those near and dear to a Crow (see Sam and Gilly).  Arya could regroup with help from Jon and come to think of it, maybe joining the Night’s Watch would be a good alternative for the Hound.

The Bad:  Arya might be ok at the Wall for a while, but the Wildlings and the Walkers are coming as sure as winter is.

The Potentially Ugly:  Can you seriously envision The Hound taking the Black?  And how long would he put up with the Crow who gave Snow such a hard time?  Answer: not long.

The Vale

The Good:  Cat’s sister Lysa lives here and seems to be well protected with the impregnable tower and the Knights that surround her (unless Bronn shows up).

The Bad:  Littlefinger is either en route or has already arrived and would likely snatch Arya up and return her to King’s Landing.

The Potentially Ugly:  Here is something that likely never came from the mouths of Arya’s parents:  ”Why don’t you go stay with Aunt Lysa. She is so…. normal.”
Even Uglier:  Lysa tells Arya that she can stay but that she must feed like Robyn. One on the left and one on the right.  Eeewwwwww.

The Brotherhood

The Good:  As far fetched as it may seem, I still believe that Arya might be better off with these guys. Beric was sworn to Ned, and there is no doubt in my mind that they would protect her.

The Bad:  The brotherhood seemingly has no stronghold and presumably moves around quite a bit. Considering Tywin is done chasing the King in the North, he is likely to resume his quest to find them which would put Arya right back in danger.

The Potentially Ugly:  The return of Arya could spark Beric vs. Hound part II, which would be an excellent pay-per-view but may not bode well for the former and could require a seventh resurrection. That assumes of course that the Hound doesn’t take his head off this time, which he likely would.

Review:  Let’s be honest… none of them are preferred options. But I think the Umbers makes the most sense considering that Roose may be tied up with the Greyjoys soon and Tywin has a big wedding to attend. Oh, and lest we forget his self-appointed position as marriage counselor to Tyrion and Sansa and making sure that a seed is planted. Shall we speculate on this combo next? Sound off.  Most of you don’t have an opinion, so it is up to me to pry it out of you (I still can’t find the sarcasm font).

Any better idea of where The Stark and The Hound might be headed?  Unsullied answers on this one only!

Sullied… Feel free to comment away on my ignorance, but please remember NO SPOILERS! NO BOOK STUFF!  NO CHEATING ON THE TEST!

By the way, if after GoT is finished and our fun here is done, please remember that if by chance Disney contacts GRRM to do a spin-off animated film with the same name as this post, you heard it here first. The trademark app is in the mail. We will all be paid handsomely.

Comment Call:  Do you visit here often but never comment?  Do something different today…. Say hello. All are welcome on this post as long as you are not packing the spoilers.

Who next??  Sound off!  We are getting closer!  Autumn is here, and Winter is coming.  It will be March soon.

NO SPOILERS HERE….. a man and a Fury thank you in advance.  

Live healthy. Drink ale in moderation. And may there always be peace in your realm. -Oz
“Unbowed. Unbent. Unsullied.”

The Series….

Looking Forward Season 4, Part 1: Lysafinger

Looking Forward Season 4, Part 2: Stannis

Looking Forward Season 4, Part 3: The North Remembers

Looking Forward Season 4, Part 4: Bolton

Looking Forward Season 4, Part 5: Daenerys


118 Comments

  1. Rygar
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    See in this world there are two kinds of people my friend: those with loaded guns and those who dig. You, dig.

  2. Ser Tahu
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    All hail the great Oz(ymandias), King of the Unsullied! Look on his unspoiledness, ye sullied, and despair at not having the element of surprise during upcoming events!

  3. Rygar
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Mine was better. ;)

  4. Veltigar
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    I think you should remove Robb out of the mentor list and add his line to that of Jon Snow. He was Aray’s favorite sibling and he was always there for all the other Stark children, something that can’t always be said of Robb who rather played with Theon.

  5. Alex
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Has anyone else ever wondered why exactly the hound seems to be so interested in the Stark girls? First Sansa, now Arya. I doubt it’s because he liked Ned so much that he wants to protect his kids…

    Fun read as always, Oz! I vote you do Tyrion/Sansa next.

  6. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Very enjoyable and fun article, Oz, and as a Sullied I can say no more. I look forward to those more than I do to casting news, I swear
    Consider this a vote for Papa and kids Lannister for the next installment (as always. One day I shall be victorious)
    Also, as a part of ongoing experiment – do you, an unsullied viewer, remember dude named Kevan? A guy who sat in Tywin’s war council in season one? Thanks

  7. Rygar
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    Dollars and cents. Sandor is a pimp.

  8. MUGger
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    From the show, you already have sufficient information that has led book readers to speculate that you can take care of your speculation on the two characters you mentioned in one “Part Blah”.

  9. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    TheBerylfly:
    Consider this a vote for Papa and kids Lannister for the next installment (as always. One day I shall be victorious)
    Also, as a part of ongoing experiment – do you, an unsullied viewer, remember dude named Kevan? A guy who sat in Tywin’s war council in season one? Thanks

    One day, you shall be victorious!

    The answer to your question is yes, although I am not completely sure which one he was as Tywin did not supply name placards on the table. I think he was the older gentlemen that spoke the most before Tywin kicked everyone out and told Tyrion he would be going to KL to serve as the hand.

    Is that correct?

  10. AnneL
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    A special thanks from a Sullied – I couldn’t have asked for a better birthday present. I have been touting for Arya/Hound since you started these Looking Forwards. I have read the books but my recollections are pretty hazy so changed details don’t bother me and I am really looking forward to where the Showrunners take this arc.

  11. Loki
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    The correct title is “the wolf and the hound”, thankyouverymuch.

  12. Arkash
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Again, a delight to read you Oz ! ;)

    Night’s Watch next please ! =D

  13. Caelra
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Don’t you think she learned anything from her mother? Not her favorite lessons, admittedly. But she likely picked up some skills!

    Thanks for a great speculative series!

  14. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    AnneL,

    Happy Birthday to you…. I have had this gift planned for you for some time :)

    Loki,

    Agreed. “The Stark” just had a nice ring to it.

  15. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Alex:
    Has anyone else ever wondered why exactly the hound seems to be so interested in the Stark girls? First Sansa, now Arya. I doubt it’s because he liked Ned so much that he wants to protect his kids…

    He sees a tiny bit of himself in them from a time long past. He was just a young kid when he was tortured and maimed by his older brother and nobody came to his defense, not even his own sire. His evil brother was later knighted and set loose as a killing machine in the Riverlands. His own sense of morality now sees two innocent kids who have nobody coming to their defense and, beneath the mask of The Hound that he’s become, there lurks a kernel of decency and chivalry.

    I really hope he survives the story because beneath what he seems, and despite his previous bad acts under orders of his King and the Royal Family, there’s a decent man in there somewhere.

  16. Barista Selmy
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    No chance they go to Riverrun? I would have expected a mention, even if you dismissed it as not likely.

  17. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Barista Selmy,

    Considering that Walder proclaimed himself the “Lord of” in his post-RW talk with Roose, I did dismiss it. I assumed Sandor would know better, but I also know better than to assume.

  18. Ashara D
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Oz!!! Sullied, but love your posts anyway. I would add Sansa/Septa Mordane/Catelyn to Arya’s influences. Thanks to their insistence that she be a “lady,” she has learned what it means to be a woman in Westeros (read: not much) and has chosen to forge her own path, neither accepting the status quo, nor hiding away in the uneasy guise of a boy/man.

    Can’t wait to see what you think of Tyrion/Sansa/Tywin going forward. Feel free to write speculations on the 3rd soldier from the left if you want to–your posts are an excellent way to pass the next few months! Cheers!

  19. BeatleFloydZeppelin
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    He likes them for two different reasons. He likes Arya because she is bad ass, and he sees a bit of himself in her. He likes Sansa because he is in love with her.

  20. Giantsbabe
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Please Oz, do the Night’s Watch next. I’m curious to see where non-readers think that story will be going (if they do care). However, I am dreading the analyzing/disecting/over-pontificating/criticizing eon long thread of Jon Snow’s character assassination/Kit’s bad acting/David and Dan’s bad writing/generally everything that went wrong like with the Stannis thread.

  21. Dragonslayer
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    As a Sullied, I really enjoy your speculation and I made my first post here to thank you for sharing it. I’m not saying wether you are right or not, but I had similar thoughts when I was in the books at this point…

    I would vote now either for the Night’s Watch/Wildling/White Walker storyline or for the events in King’s Landing (Lannister!).

    PS: Please excuse my English…

  22. Clob
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Arya’s storyline is my favorite in the books (and show), like it is for many. Much of it is probably because so much happens with her and she travels so much/far. In my mind it has felt like there are only a few “main characters,” with she being one of them. That may sound absurd, or not. I just have seen her as ‘in focus’ while other activities and characters sort of swirl around. It just came to my thoughts, and it’s silly, but I’m going to go ahead and liken her to Forrest Gump in a way. Ha! If that doesn’t make sense to you, what I’m saying is that while all sorts of stuff is happening at different places with different characters, whether she has a hand in it or not, she just happens to be there.

    I’ve been slightly disappointed with some things the show has cut from her storyline and total amount that they’ve used her. Following what I just wrote above, I think they’ve somewhat downgraded the character and made it more minor than how I see it in the books. They have done good scenes with her though and added a couple of wrinkles that turned out to be very good, such as her time with Tywin. However, I do have a fear coming into season 4 that they may slow her storyline down too much and she and the Hound will have too few scenes. *shrug*

  23. Salty Dornishman
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    Maybe his concern for the Stark girls (aside from the San-San shippers) has to do with the fact that there was no one to protect him from his nasty older brother Gregor when he was a helpless child? A “wounded bird” (or “wounded puppy,” if you prefer) syndrome?

  24. Jen@House Stark
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    See in this world there are two kinds of people my friend:those with loaded guns and those who dig.You, dig.

    All hail Ser Rygar! First, I’ll say it since you didn’t :smile:

  25. blackfish
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    Great article!

    I’d love to read your thoughts on the Nights Watch and beyond the wall next.

    - Castle Black (Jon, Sam)
    - Survivors of Craster’s Keep (Grenn, Edd, Rast, Burn Gorman)
    - Maybe some thoughts on Ygritte, Tormund, Mance and the like?

    Keep up the good work man

  26. Sara R
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Alex,
    He’s not just a killer. Like the rest of GRRM’s characters, he is rather 3 dimensional and his genuine concern for the Stark girls is evidence of his softer side. Yes, he stands to gain in other ways from having captured Arya (she’s a great bargaining chip in any situation for him) but I sense he has a bit of respect for her and as a younger sibling who has been subjected to cruel things… I think he can relate. I think he senses a bond with them in their situations and has a geniune disdain for some of the people who have harmed the Stark girls. He’s more than a killer, he’s a protector and he plays the game in his own smaller scale way…

  27. Sara R
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I find the Umbers option a curious one. More than just the prospect of the Wolf & Hound pair having that as a next step option, but that Osha & Rickon are intending that as their destination. I am Sullied and as such, find this curious (for reasons obvious to my fellow Sullied); however, dismissing what I know and taking the show as it is and adopting an Unsullied’s look at this option, I still find it curious. The show does not have to follow the book so either way, this prospect is the most interesting one to me of Oz’s suggestions.

  28. Mewcat
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Well done OZ, as usual. Makes my day to find one of your new commentaries. Love the way you give us “sullied” a different and fresh look at things…. things we think we know just because we read the books (or in my case, some of the books). Soon, I will be an unsullied like you, after the 4th book, so keep on writing. You are great. I would be happy to read your commentary about Tyrion & Sansa. (I just saw Peter D.’s old movie The Station Agent and loved it.) Anything about Tyrion has to be good! Tks!

  29. Daniellica
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    As one shamelessly Sullied, I am still very curious where this storyline will go as well. It is no secret that some of the storylines have veered from the books, and as a former screenwriter I understand the absolute need for this to occur; I wonder of this is another thread that will weave its own distinct patterns?

    There is certainly much to be said of D&D for them to make the Sullied once again Unsullied in some regards. I’ve no way of knowing if this is one such instance (every time I’ve tried to predict things in the books, I’ve been so wrong–it’s glorious), but damn do Arya/Hound make some TV magic happen.

    My guess is rather geometric: D&D know the broad strokes of the end point from GRRM, so if they can come up with an alternative path that makes better television and leads from one point to the next in a straighter line, that’s the road they’ll take, since those are the only things that matter–characters being where they need to be for the conclusion to occur, and making remarkable moments on screen.

    As to where they go next? I don’t really care as long as we get a goodly amount of ballsy, bickering banter between these two, and perhaps a few more servings of slaughter.

    One question I have for Unsullied is how they feel about characters that began as veritable monsters, such as the Hound, and have turned out to reveal their complexities, such as Jamie, turning them into people we never thought they could be?

  30. Simpkin
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    I wish the hound would give that little sociopath wench to the Mountain so he could crush her inflated head.

  31. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    I love Arya and how much she is a dark twist on the heroic scrappy tomboy trope. Hopefully she gets lots of good scenes in season 4. It will be interesting to see how the aging of Maisie Williams effects the character who is still 10 or 11 in the books. My hope is that we see an Arya who is more calculating and less impulsive.

    What is it about the Hound that makes us want to forgive all the terrible things he has done? It must be the one liners. Anyone who says “fuck your water, bring me wine” is a friend of mine! If anyone can make a Westeros travelogue fun, the Hound is the one who can.

  32. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Simpkin:
    I wish the hound would give that little sociopath wench to the Mountain so he could crush her inflated head.

    I hope this is just trolling. If not, no Arya is not a sociopath. She perhaps has PTSD. GRRM has compared her to child soldiers. Child soldiers can be ruthless and deadly, but they are also victims who get caught up in wars that happen in an area that is indifferent to human rights and protecting children.

    Sociopaths lack empathy and are extremely narcissistic and selfish. Arya gets her rage on when injustices have been committed. She loves and misses her family. She is angry and dangerous. Her character is somewhat dark. She is in no way a sociopath.

    BTW, juveniles can not be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder.

  33. Markus
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    It needs to be said that the journey from the south to the north is not so easy….with the Twins blocking the way and also the Greyjoys holding the northern part of the neck. Besides the long distance ofcourse, I see many non-bookreaders think these north-south journeys can be made effortlessly and with no danger. Robb was essentially stuck in the south ever since he crossed the Frey’s bridge and specially since Greyjoys conquering Moat Catlin. Arya would probably need a boat to get north, even then most of the northeastern shore is held by Boltons, most of the western shore by Greyjoys. As you see, enemies are everywhere.

  34. Jentario
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Alex,

    Tyrion and Sansa LANNISTER. Do it right, piss SanSans off.

  35. arden
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Simpkin,

    absolutely horrible troll

  36. Jentario
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Please tell me that’s not a holocaust reference…

  37. Simpkin
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    It’s not trolling to express a distaste for a character. Perhaps shes more understood in the novels. I simply find her character annoying and wouldn’t mind one more dead stark. Sorry if that doesn’t adhere to your viewpoint.

  38. arden
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Simpkin,

    Hahaha O.K.

  39. Atreyu
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    See in this world there are two kinds of people my friend:those with loaded guns and those who dig.You, dig.

    I don’t mind shooting them for you, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to sweat over them for you.

  40. Deathdreams
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    AnneL,

    Happy birthday! it’s my birthday too.
    valar dohaeris!

  41. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Markus:
    It needs to be said that the journey from the south to the north is not so easy….with the Twins blocking the way and also the Greyjoys holding the northern part of the neck. Besides the long distance ofcourse, I see many non-bookreaders think these north-south journeys can be made effortlessly and with no danger. Robb was essentially stuck in the south ever since he crossed the Frey’s bridge and specially since Greyjoys conquering Moat Catlin. Arya would probably need a boat to get north, even then most of the northeastern shore is held by Boltons, most of the western shore by Greyjoys. As you see, enemies are everywhere.

    I blame Littlefinger’s magic carpet ride through Westeros in season 2.

  42. The Crow-come-over
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Markus,

    I was just about to make my own reminder of just how long a journey it would be to reach the Umbers after reading Oz’s (wonderful!) post. But I guess I’ll still say it.

    It’s easy to forget how large Westeros is when the cuts between scenes offer no hint of the passage of time (and when certain characters, like Littlefinger in season 2, seem to get themselves wherever they’re needed in very good time!).

    Also remember that when Bran and Rickon separated…they were well north of Winterfell. It stands to reason that Umber lands are well north of Winterfell. Which is well north of, um, anything else! Even ignoring the many perils of the journey, even assuming they could find two ports to make a boat trip, the only places in Westeros to go that would be a farther trip from the Twins than Umber territory would be The Wall or Dorne.

    In short, almost anywhere else would be a shorter journey.

  43. Deathdreams
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams,

    I thought i’d spend my nameday down at the Ragman’s harbor. Get some clams and cockles and maybe pay a visit to The Happy Port.

  44. Balerion
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    I always enjoy your looking forward posts, keep em going! As to what I would like to see next: Sansa&Tyrion or maybe The Nights Watch & The Wildlings.

  45. GrzebykK
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Sullied saying “Hello” as requested.
    Nice post, nice food for thoughts.

  46. Rafael
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Hello Oz :)

  47. WheelofIceandFire
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Off topic, but Boardwalk Empire has just been renewed for a fifth season so its looking good for Game of Thrones (although I think everyone expected a fifth season of GOT anyway)

  48. TOIVA
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    As per your call, Oz, I post and ask for a King’s Landing ‘Looking Forward…’. Be it either Sansa, Cersei, Tywin or Joffrey centered.

    Fact is, that’s the most important part you haven’t yet fully tackled, anyway.

    So far I’m enjoying these posts, good luck writing more.

  49. little bird
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    This is my first comment, I loved, I am a sullied, always is fun read this, I would love that you write about Tyrion and Sansa Please I beg you.

    Greetings from Venezuela

  50. Turncloak
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Love your theory’s Oz. Hope we get to see the Greatjon again

  51. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Mewcat,

    Thank you. I love the Cat people!

    The Crow-come-over,

    I think this is a point I fail to keep in mind at times. The large scale of the size of Westeros is something the viewers are not reminded of often (other than the opening theme, and even then I feel like I am playing “frogger” jumping from Castle to Castle). However, I should always point out that there are many dangers on the Kingsroad and even more off of it.

  52. A Man Grown
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Hey RYYYYGAR! You knoooooow what you are?! Just a dirty son of a BAA EEE AHH EEE AHHHH

  53. A Man Grown
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Loved this one, can’t say much more since I’m thoroughly Sullied but it was a fun read.

    P.S. GEAUXXXXX TIGERS! BEAT THE HAIRY DAWGS!

  54. A Man Grown
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    No, it’s a “strong candidate for best movie of all time” reference.

  55. Jen@House Stark
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown:
    Loved this one, can’t say much more since I’m thoroughly Sullied but it was a fun read.

    P.S. GEAUXXXXX TIGERS! BEAT THE HAIRY DAWGS!

    :w00t: Yes, go Tigers! The North is with you. We have our Tiger banners out.

  56. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Rafael,

    Hello yourself Rafael…. thanks for playing along.

    TOIVA,

    Thank you for the luck…. I will need it. Everytime I write one of these I prepare myself for a Sullied riot just in case I strike a nerve that I have no idea I am striking. BTW, the Lannisters are coming soon!

    little bird,

    Look everyone…. a virgin commenter! Everyone welcome little bird! Does your name happen to be Juanita (the sweetheart from Venezuela)?

  57. The_Wanderer
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Arya is heading down a dark path. I can’t wait to see the getting back Needle scene That’s one of my favorite parts in the series.

  58. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    P.S. No doubt. Game of Threauxns.

  59. Silverstormm
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Hi Oz,

    Great read! I love how your posts are not only a hugely interesting insight into an unsullieds’ thoughts but that you make them very entertaining as well. Love your quirky style.
    They are always something to look forward to during the (too) longggggg off season.
    Keep up the good work!

  60. dizzy
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Echoing the Wall (and beyond) sentiments.
    Keep up the good work and gig ‘em Aggies (sorry too much LSU rooting going on here).

  61. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    good read, like being able to see the unsullied thoughts off where the plot is going. Quick question though (this isnt a spoiler i dont think) by saying Beric was sworn to Ned, did you mean that he was a bannerman of his, becuase if so, he wasnt, he was a bannerman of renly who happened to be hanging out at court when Ned sent out a party to deal with the Mountain. He started out by trying to complete a mission set for him by Ned in Roberts name, and he had huge respect for Ned’s moral code, but he wasnt his bannerman.

  62. idler
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Alex,

    Dollars and cents.Sandor is a pimp.

    Sandor Clegane is for sure not motivated by money, despite the story he tells to Arya about her mother and brother paying him for her. Loras Tyrell declared him the winner of the Tourney of The Hand, and we know the winners prize money was 40k Gold Dragons, that equals about 688 Mio. US $ !
    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Currency
    The Hound is one of the richest men alive in Westeros, and given the weight of gold, he could have only a very small part of his fortune with him (and for the BwB to robb from him).

  63. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    NomadicDirewolf,

    No, I did not mean for it to come across that way. I just knew that Ned as Hand had ordered Beric to find/kill the Mountain and Beric had attempted to fulfill that order. As you pointed out, I think Beric had a lot of respect for Ned. But as for being a bannerman of his, no. Sworn may have been too strongly worded.

  64. OldeCrone
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Entertaining and insightful post Oz of T——s. Is it Oz as in “My name is Ozymandias King of Kings, Look on my works ye mighty and despair” or as in coming from the land of “Skippy the Bush Kangaroo”, “Prisoner Cell Block H” and Fosters?

  65. Atreyu
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    idler: Sandor Clegane is for sure not motivated by money, despite the story he tells to Arya about her mother and brother paying him for her. Loras Tyrell declared him the winner of the Tourney of The Hand, and we know the winners prize money was 40k Gold Dragons, that equals about 688 Mio. US $ !
    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Currency
    The Hound is one of the richest men alive in Westeros, and given the weight of gold, he could have only a very small part of his fortune with him (and for the BwB to robb from him).

    Hold your horses, idler. Anguy the Archer won the archery portion of the same tournament, taking home 10,000 gold dragons. I find it hard to believe that he managed to waste $150 million US American Dollars Sterling or whatever on whores, booze and food in a few months (according to the books). Either the Wiki is jacked on fantasy currency conversion or the author has a problem with scale (again).

    Probably both.

  66. little bird
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    thanks for the welcome, no, I am not juanita jajaja

  67. idler
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Atreyu: Hold your horses, idler. Anguy the Archer won the archery portion of the same tournament, taking home 10,000 gold dragons. I find it hard to believe that he managed to waste $150 million US American Dollars Sterling or whatever on whores, booze and food in a few months (according to the books). Either the Wiki is jacked on fantasy currency conversion or the author has a problem with scale (again).

    Probably both.

    The Wiki took a mix of books and show to settle the exchange rate. We know from The Hedge Knight it was not unusual for a plain yet complete set of good steel armor with greaves, gorget and greathelm to cost 800 stags, roughly four dragons. A single Gold Dragon converts to about 13,000 Euros, 17,222 US Dollars, or 11,111 Pounds Sterling. This calculation is based on a remark made by Petyr Baelish during the Tourney of the Hand in the episode The Wolf and the Lion, where he quips that he could buy a dozen barrels of expensive Dornish wine with 100 Gold Dragons. By averaging the prices of fine wine in the real world, and assuming that Westeros uses the standard 225 liter wine barrel, this exchange rate is calculated.

    I suspect Anguy supported the BwB with his prize money. Even for guerilla warfare, you need some cash.

  68. outdoorcats
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    TheBerylfly,

    I don’t think that character was ever named in the TV series.

  69. Kingsroad Hitchhiker
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Longtime lurker, first time poster here as well! Thanks for these posts Oz – for an Unsullied, they are the only place I feel safe pretty much anywhere on the Internet to indulge in my GoT Geekdom! (Except the very few times a Sullied has posted a spoiler before a mod has dealt with it – you guys are awesome about this, and it is deeply appreciated!!)

    Anyway, for the next parts of your Looking Ahead series… which I look ahead to reading every other week… I think as far as the Lannisters go, just one post for all of them will not be anywhere close to sufficient to cover everything. I’d love to hear about Tyrion & Sansa, then Tywin (because frankly the guy is so badass he deserves his own post, let’s be honest), then Jamie and Cersei. I think the Jamie and Brienne angle is great, but – and this is pure speculation on my part, just based on how the truly good characters on this show seem to be bumped off all the damn time – I don’t think she’s going to be around much longer, or have much more of a presence on the show than she has the past season and a half. I’m not happy about it, I really enjoy her character… I just don’t see her lasting.

    The Night’s Watch (of course), the goings-on north of the Wall, and the Greyjoys (big fistbump for Yara, she’s awesome) would all be great speculation posts too.

    Keep up the great work Oz, and thanks for taking the time our of your own life to hang with the rest of us!

  70. Atreyu
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    idler:

    I suspect Anguy supported the BwB with his prize money. Even for guerilla warfare, you need some cash.

    From the Wiki: “Anguy wins the archery competition, out shooting Ser Balon Swann and Jalabhar Xho at a hundred paces and earning himself a sum of ten thousand golden dragons. He refuses an offer from Eddard Stark to join the Hand’s guard. Afterwards he squanders his fortune on Jayde, Alayaya and Dancy (expensive whores from Chataya’s brothel), roast swan, Arbor wine, and other lavish excesses.”

    No mention of being the BWB sugar-daddy.

    abort/retry/fail?

  71. outdoorcats
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    I agree with the others that Sandor sees a little of himself in Arya, a traumatized child turned violent, but it’s not a mutually empathetic relationship, since all Arya sees in her captor is, well, a captor, a man she hates and wants to kill. And from Sandor’s perspective this reflects back on him, helps him realize that he’s become his own worst enemy. Even though he’s nowhere near as evil as Gregor (he’s never raped anyone, for instance) he was willing to slaughter a child (Micah) on Joffrey’s orders. He’s become the brother he used to hate so much; that’s why he’s filled with so much self-loathing.

  72. Hogan
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    Just cracked open Ommegang’s “Take the Black Stout.” I might be biased, but this is delicious.

  73. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    LOL. Unfortunately, I can claim neither. It’s actually a nickname that stems from my family name which is akin to a certain aging heavy metal rock star.

  74. Dornish Hen
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 8:21 pm | Permalink

    Thank you once again for a wonderful commentary! I always look forward to reading them, and since The Hound is one of my faves I especially loved this one.

  75. GeekFurious
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    One of the things the show has not done as well as I’d like is establish the love Jon Snow and Arya have for each other. They did a great job in the first episode but haven’t touched on it much (if at all) since (at least that I can remember).

    Maybe in season 4.

  76. Ser Habakuk Tibatong
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 8:39 pm | Permalink

    idler,

    Sandor Clegane is for sure not motivated by money, despite the story he tells to Arya about her mother and brother paying him for her. Loras Tyrell declared him the winner of the Tourney of The Hand, and we know the winners prize money was 40k Gold Dragons, that equals about 688 Mio. US $ !
    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Currency

    That conversion rate obviously is nonsense. 688 Million Dollars isn’t an amount of money you win in a tourney, let alone in medieval times.

  77. Addy Stark
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    In the meantime, maybe Osha and the Hound could hook up and bless us all with some wildling puppies.

    What a visual! Still LMAO

    Sullied saying “Hi”

  78. A Man Grown
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I thought the same thing when reading Oz’s post.

  79. Abyss
    Posted September 26, 2013 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Off-Topic:
    Don’t know if this is any news, but I found a more detailed picture of the season 3 box.

  80. Mary G
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 12:50 am | Permalink

    Love the posts; would like to see separate posts on Tyrion/Sansa and Papa Lannister, Cersei & Jaime.

  81. Liliedhe
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 12:57 am | Permalink

    I love reading your posts. And I envy you, I’d rather be Unsullied and be able to enjoy the series on a clean slate. ;)

  82. Alfador
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    I am commenting because you told everyone to leave a comment and I just obey.

  83. TheBerylfly
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones: One day, you shall be victorious!

    The answer to your question is yes, although I am not completely sure which one he was as Tywin did not supply name placards on the table.I think he was the older gentlemen that spoke the most before Tywin kicked everyone out and told Tyrion he would be going to KL to serve as the hand.

    Is that correct?

    I meant him, indeed. Thank you

  84. Eleanor
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    BeatleFloydZeppelin:
    Alex,

    He likes them for two different reasons. He likes Arya because she is bad ass, and he sees a bit of himself in her. He likes Sansa because he is in love with her.

    Not a SanSan shipper here, but I do wish they’d kept the song. Agree with you about the Hound.

  85. idler
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    Atreyu: From the Wiki: “Anguy wins the archery competition, out shooting Ser Balon Swann and Jalabhar Xho at a hundred paces and earning himself a sum of ten thousand golden dragons. He refuses an offer from Eddard Stark to join the Hand’s guard. Afterwards he squanders his fortune on Jayde, Alayaya and Dancy (expensive whores from Chataya’s brothel), roast swan, Arbor wine, and other lavish excesses.”

    No mention of being the BWB sugar-daddy.

    abort/retry/fail?

    Yep, Anguy won the archery and spent 10k Dragons for women and alcohol. Believe it or not. Thoros of Myr won the melee and spent 20k Dragons for women and alcohol – mostly alcohol, one would think. Believe it or not. Sandor Clegane won the jousting and spent the biggest part of his 40k Dragons for women and alcohol. Believe it or not.

    Beric Dondarrion seemed to know pretty well where to look for funds when he founded the Brotherhood without Banners. There was a Small Council meeting, and the Crown made a big loan from the Lannister family, mainly to support, as it turned out, a guerilla movement in the Riverlands.

    I’ve a problem with the exchange rate, too. If they really calculated it as described, they assume a price of 446,50 US $ for a 0,7-liter-bottle of “expensive Dornish wine”! May be Wiki authors buy their wines at Sotheby’s or Christie’s. I guess that’s 10 times overrated. But even with only 68 Mio US $ prize money, The Hound isn’t exactly a poor dog…

  86. Lollius Palicanus
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    All these exchange rates are BS, to be honest. In every pre-modern society, the value of coins was almost directly related to the value of the metals of which it was composed, since there was no international stock exchange which decided what was the relative value between different coins. It could differ somewhat, but not that much.
    So we can assume that either George has got his proportions messed up again, the showrunners didn’t really think through the exchange rates (hell, why would they), or gold dragons were as large as golden galleons from Harry Potter (which seems very unlikely).
    If we want to play the money game, which seems a bit unnecessary to me, you should look at historic currency such as the Aureus. 40K gold dragons would have been worth 14,64 million dollars maximum, which is still ridiculously much. But hey, George and his proportions.

    On topic: very interesting analysis, Oz. I’m looking forward to the upcoming looking forward posts, they’re always enjoyable to read!

  87. Veltigar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    One of the things the show has not done as well as I’d like is establish the love Jon Snow and Arya have for each other. They did a great job in the first episode but haven’t touched on it much (if at all) since (at least that I can remember).

    Maybe in season 4.

    I agree

  88. vlad
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    I am a reader, and although I am sure Arya will end up in the same place eventually, the way she gets there will be completely changed. So, being in the dark like the rest of you, I think I am entitled to give my opinions and guesses.

    First of all, the Umber theory could happen, but it wouldn’t really fit. As other people already said, the road would be extremely long, probably 2-3 months, in a war ravaged land. Yeah in the books, the Neck was blocked by Greyjoys… but people need to stop mentioning it, because it didn’t happen in the TV Show. Yara needs to circumnavigate the entire Westeros to get to Bolton lands, she doesn’t go through the Neck to get to the Narrow Sea. So, the way North is clear, opening up a lot of possibilities for D&D. Even so, why do people assume that the Starks would be safe in Umber lands??? The head of the house, Greatjon probably died at the Red Wedding, and why would the Umbers remain faithful to the Starks??? The North is a big place, not all the houses love the Starks as much. The Boltons were killing Starks 1000 years ago, they were kings themselves, and if you look at a map, Bolton lands are closer to the Umbers then the Starks (maybe they were part of the Bolton kingdom). Anyway, I write too much :). I see no reason why they would go to the Umbers, and Osha and Rickon went there, partly because they were the closest.

    Now, if a road to the Umbers takes so long, imagine a walk to the wall :) (Westeros is the size of South America) What would the Hound gain taking his hostage there??? Because she is his hostage, not his friend or whatever. Even if let’s say he wanted her safe, would she really be?? amidst the brothers who actually are rapists and murderers???

    The only 2 real options are the Brotherhood and the Vale. The Hound hates Beric after what he did to him, they have no money to pay him, they might even kill him if they see him. But I would love to see more of Paul Kaye, maybe HBO can make Arya escape from Sandor?? possible, but unlikely. They will not split such a winning combo.

    I am fairly sure the 2 will head to the Vale. We know that there’s been a lot of casting for the Vale, Bronze Yohn Royce, the “Knight of the Vale” + Lysa, Robert and even Littlefinger. Besides, we know Lysa is crazy, but the rest of Westeros doesn’t. Catelyn was shocked when she saw what her sister had become. Sandor was in King’s Landing, while Lysa was there…. I guess he might know that she’s cuckoo, but a rich crazy lady is still better then nothing :). I’m really curious what D&D make with this story…

    (IMO I wrote no spoilers concerning future events, only a little tidbit of info about previous stuff, that has no bearing on the show)

  89. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    Jentario:
    Rygar,

    Please tell me that’s not a holocaust reference…

    Even I wouldn’t go there. Well….

    No, its an iconic line from “The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly”. Fitting for Oz’s post.

  90. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:00 am | Permalink

    Atreyu: I don’t mind shooting them for you, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to sweat over them for you.

    But when that little bead forms just above your lip…..its so delicious.

    How ya been bro? Tried to join IWC and found myself taking a shit instead. ;)

  91. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:01 am | Permalink

    A Man Grown,

    Aaaaaahhhhhhhhh

    Waaaaaahhhh

    Waaaahhhhh

    Waahh

  92. Jentario
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Haven’t seen it. It’s a Western, right?

  93. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    idler: Sandor Clegane is for sure not motivated by money, despite the story he tells to Arya about her mother and brother paying him for her. Loras Tyrell declared him the winner of the Tourney of The Hand, and we know the winners prize money was 40k Gold Dragons, that equals about 688 Mio. US $ !
    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Currency
    The Hound is one of the richest men alive in Westeros, and given the weight of gold, he could have only a very small part of his fortune with him (and for the BwB to robb from him).

    You missed my joke. And now its ruined. :(

  94. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:04 am | Permalink

    Jentario:
    Rygar,

    Haven’t seen it. It’s a Western, right?

    The “greatest” Western.

  95. Lou Reed
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:24 am | Permalink

    Alex,

    The Hounds always laughed at Knights and Honor, because where he grew up, these were just empty words. Perhaps he is realizing, that with the Starks, these things are real, and he is drawn towards it.

  96. Dwayne
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    Nobody knows what the end is gonna be like …. Considering the big man hasnt finished writting them yet… But i saw a picture somewhere , probably some hopeful fan like myself that had our mother of dragons as queen at kingslanding and our silent bride as queen of winterfell … Somehow i kinda think thats whats gonna happen too and the reason i post this here is because i think arya will eventually join the great mother of dragons breaker of chains giver of badass moments and then save sansa… I dont know why but i think the stark kids will eventually all join Daenerys and i think that could start with arya ….maybe she could even join daenerys queensgaurd along with the hound

  97. Roekest
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    They do this much more in the book through introspection and a few actions that are taken, which you will probably see in S4.

  98. Rygar
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Dwayne,

    Please do not speculate future events. Your post has unintentional spoilers as to who is still alive in the books which the show has not caught up to yet. :)

  99. Turncloak
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    People really shouldn’t be discussing the book here

  100. idler
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Rygar: You missed my joke.And now its ruined. :(

    I stand corrected. But I had so many discussions on westeros.org about The Hound’s dark intentions lately…

  101. Atreyu
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 9:23 am | Permalink

    Rygar

    How ya been bro? Tried to join IWC and found myself taking a shit instead. ;)

    The two actions are one and the same, if you’re doing it right.

    How am I? My head hurts. I was left unchaperoned last night with a six-pack of beer and decided to care about Westeros currency conversion. Never again.

  102. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Sorry all…. had to take a nap.
    Kingsroad Hitchhiker,
    You are quite welcome, Hiker. Thanks for dropping a comment. I had thought about one post on the Lannister clan, but it would be entirely too long and we still have plenty of time to kill. Happy hitchhiking and don’t be a stranger.

    Dornish Hen,
    Ecstatic that you enjoyed it and that I didn’t “lay an egg”, Ms. Hen.

    Rygar,
    Admittedly, I haven’t seen the movie (sad isn’t it?). But, Father Oz came by the house last night and knew exactly what it was the moment I mentioned it. I vow to the great Rygar to view the best western ever made in the near future (and I will find you hiding in a thread somewhere afterwards to confirm that it has been done).

  103. Dragons125
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Another great post, Oz! If i was Arya, and knew my mom, dad, and Robb were all dead, I’d try to find another sibling. Since I just escaped King’s Landing, that would knock Sansa off that list, so my mind goes to Jon Snow. I wouldn’t go to that weird Aunt Lysa of hers, or does she not know that’s she’s a nutter? LOL, sorry, but she is ;)

  104. Black as Snow
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Dragons125,

    I’m not so sure, Dragons. I don’t think Arya sees family as an option for where to go. Jon Snow has taken the black. Even though they share a close bond, he is essentially lost to her. Sansa is in the hands of the Lannisters, and while I think Arya loves her sister, I doubt she feels that she can trust her. And we don’t know how much Arya knows about what’s happened at Winterfell. Does she know her brothers are “dead” and the castle is a ruin? If she does, there’s nothing to go home to. But even if she doesn’t, I don’t see her as someone willing to sit around mothering her little brothers at Winterfell. She is a woman of action, and she has a deep-seated need for revenge. Very much her mother’s daughter after all. ;) I’ve posted more about this at wicgeeks, but don’t think she’ll be headed north. I think she’ll be staying close to the Freys and Lannisters. And my deepest hope for her is a reunion with her wolf. :) And her needle. :)

  105. Fienix
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark: :w00t: Yes, go Tigers! The North is with you.We have our Tiger banners out.

    No, no no! This posting was about a wolf and a Hound– go Dawgs! :-)

    Great post as always, Oz. I love your writing style and I love your speculations. (totally a Sullied, here) No preferences on who next; I know I’ll read and like it regardless. Keep up the good work!

  106. BeatleFloydZeppelin
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    Eleanor,

    The song would have been nice, but from what I have seen in the show, Sophie Turner isn’t the best singer. I think they hinted at the Hounds affection for Sansa well enough. (major spoilers here so unsullied don’t even try) I am still not sure where the relationship between the two is going, as the Hound is (kind of but not really) dead, and Sansa has the whole kiss memory. If I know GRRM writing style (and I think I do) it seems like he is setting up something between the two, I just don’t know what.

  107. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Dragons125,
    It would make more sense for her to go to Jon, especially if she and The Hound are not aware of the Wildling/Walker imminent danger. And yes:), Lysa is quite the fruitcake. I have an odd fondness of fruitcakes.

    Fienix,
    Will do, bright Fienix. Thank you for the compliment! but Go Dawgs? ;)

  108. Fienix
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Eh, other people were referencing tomorrow’s UGA vs. LSU game, so had to throw my 2 cents’ worth in. Dawgs is short for the Ga. Bulldogs. (and if you tell me you prefer LSU better, my glowing kudos for you will be dimmed somewhat) ;-)

  109. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Fienix,

    I certainly don’t want the glow dimmed, so maybe I should abstain.
    (Geaux Tigers)

  110. kris
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    I have always thought the Hound is the truest Knight of them all.

  111. gentle watcher
    Posted September 27, 2013 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Hello, don’t post often. I am a reader but accept that the TV version may deviate from the books. I really enjoy Oz’s speculation and since winter really is coming here in northern Michigan, I will probably read the books AGAIN while I wait for next season. Thanks for making it interesting.

  112. Ser Lurksalot
    Posted September 28, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Just to tie Rygars movie reference back in to GoT, I’d say that ‘The Good, The Bad and The Ugly’ is the “greatest western that was or ever shall be” :-P

    PS another Sullied that loves these articles Mr Osbourne :-)

    PPS Another first time poster!

  113. dragonreborn
    Posted September 28, 2013 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    thanks for the great post Oz!

  114. Oz of Thrones
    Posted September 28, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    gentle watcher,
    Certainly happy that you find them interesting (hoping that’s a “good” interesting). Enjoy your re-read and stay warm. Thanks for commenting!

    Ser Lurksalot,
    Quite welcome Mr. Lurksalot (sweet name BTW). I am honored your first comment was on one of my posts. Come back more often!

    dragonreborn,
    No problem! More to come if it please you!

  115. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted September 29, 2013 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Thx, Oz. As someone who is looking forward to the further adventures of the Wolf and the Hound, especially as they differ from the ASoS storyline, I particularly enjoyed this piece. Carry on, my friend, wherever your curiosity leads you.

    Do you ever wonder where the hell is Nymeria? I do.

  116. Jacqulyn H'ghar
    Posted September 29, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    I think one of the reasons the Hound keeps/protects Arya is to prove to himself and others that he is NOT his brother. That although he is a hard man, a warrior, the Hound is not the monster that the Mountain is.

  117. OldeCrone
    Posted September 30, 2013 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Oz of Thrones,

    Until someone who watches “Breaking Bad” told me that the poet Shelley’s sonnet about Ozymandias had been quoted in “Ye Saga of Walter White”, I had not realised that the poem was enjoying something of a resurgence. I did read some comic-books in my early teens but they were the common or garden ones (Superman, Batman, Tales of the Bizarro World, etc, never read about ‘Ozymandias’ the comic-book character). There’s really only one mature heavy metal star you could possibly be referring to ……

  118. Nivenus
    Posted September 30, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I think it’s interesting that you postulate that Robb was Arya’s favorite sibling (or at least someone she looked up to) because while I certainly understand it (he’s clearly the dominate sibling at the beginning) it’s definitely a reflection of how the show is different from the books, particularly in comparison with the bare mention Jon Snow earns.

    None of what I’m about to say is spoilers per se, because it’s just context for what has already happened that is only stated explicitly in the books, but for Unsullied who’d rather not know I’ve put spoiler tags on it.

    In the books we’re in the characters heads’ all the time, so we know things that they don’t say outright or wouldn’t share with other characters (and therefore the audience). And one of those introspective things that is kind of hard to depict on screen is the strong affection that Jon Snow and Arya share for one another. In the books, they’re constantly thinking about one another and reminiscing about their shared experiences, to a far greater extent than any of the other Stark kids do, and it’s clear they are one another’s favorite. Jon Snow even directly compares Ygritte with Arya Stark in his head.

    However, because the two characters are so remote from one another and are unable to actually communicate face-to-face we don’t see that kind of bond at work on screen in the show. Nor do we hear either character talk about it in conversation with other characters because both Jon and Arya are incredibly private, introverted people who’d rather not talk about their feelings. As a result, it’s definitely something the show has been unable to depict satisfactorily, which I think is more of a problem of the medium than it is of the writing, which generally has been pretty good even where it diverges from the books.

    Anyhow, nuff said on the subject. I just thought that was kind of interesting to note.


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