Neil Marshall talks Blackwater and season 4
By Winter Is Coming on in Press.

Flicks and the City continues to put out some great interviews with Game of Thrones cast and crew. Here is a recent one with director Neil Marshall, where he talks a little about season 2′s “Blackwater” and what it was like to be back in the director’s chair in season 4.

There are also these recent interviews with Clive Russell and Maisie Williams.

Winter Is Coming: Good stuff all-around. Marshall sounds like he was genuinely excited to work on Thrones again and that is a great sign.


178 Comments

  1. Veltigar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    HODOR

  2. GeekFurious
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    There’s a major spoiler in the comment section, so don’t click through to the actual channel.

    Also, NEVER READ THE COMMENTS SECTIONS for GOT YouTube vids.

  3. Adam Whitehead
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    “…and this time when the producer said we needed more random and pointless nudity in the scene, I pitched him over the Wall.”

  4. Veltigar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead:
    “…and this time when the producer said we needed more random and pointless nudity in the scene, I pitched him over the Wall.”

    I’ll fix that for you :p

    “…and this time when the producer said we needed more random and pointless nudity in the scene, I stripped him naked and made him run in circles in the background for 5 hours”

  5. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:14 am | Permalink

    Yes but who the hell is Joseph Gatt playing?

  6. The Flayed Man
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:17 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Yes but who the hell is Joseph Gatt playing?

    He tweeted earlier today teasing a potential reveal for his character. WiC then replied to him, egging him on. We’ll just have to wait and see what happens!

  7. Veltigar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Yes but who the hell is Joseph Gatt playing?

    Haven’t you heard? he’s playing the fat pink mast :p

  8. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    so he’s confirmed that Ygritte definitely dies in episode 9?

  9. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead:
    “…and this time when the producer said we needed more random and pointless nudity in the scene, I pitched him over the Wall.”

    You nail the antlers to his head and I’ll get the trebuchet. Should be fun! King Joff will be proud.

    Seriously though, I appreciate the time NM gives to interviews but I would like to hear perspectives from Alex, Michelle and Alik as well. Hopefully soon. Also, D&D and BC should be popping up around the media soon, right? It’s been a while.

  10. Pepi
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    It’s funny how Clive Russell notes that it’d be interesting to see Blackfish return as a maniacal, vengeful old man in S4. While his return to Riverrun doesn’t seem too unlikely, him joining BWB (even before Cat’s resurrection) would work just as well — it would enable the showrunners to skip the whole siege of RR subplot and at the same time help connecting BWB with Catelyn.

  11. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Pepi:
    It’s funny how Clive Russell notes that it’d be interesting to see Blackfish return as a maniacal, vengeful old man in S4. While his return to Riverrun doesn’t seem too unlikely, him joining BWB (even before Cat’s resurrection) would work just as well — it would enable the showrunners to skip the whole siege of RR subplot and at the same time help connecting BWB with Catelyn.

    Yeah! Team Tully…angry, maniacal, deadly, cleansing the Riverlands of Freys and Mountain men! You know, they never did find Lysa’s body…all she needs is a helpful red priest and she can join the team as well! :)

    (…just wait til LS finds out that LF did the pushing….!)

  12. Pepi
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Wow … UnLysa would be a disaster. xD

  13. Skipjack
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    I’d like to see what they would do with UnLysa after a 3000 foot fall. Maybe she could turn sideways and disappear.

  14. Jordan
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack,

    Maybe, like UnGregor (“Ser Robert Strong”) seems to be, UnLysa would be good.

  15. WildSeed
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Pepi,

    This would be another sad entry, if writers continue to depict Brynden Tully vastly
    different from his book character. His scenes have been so far, forgettable and devoid
    of any demonstration of his strengths ( other than besting Edmure at shooting arrows).
    I’d rather the series quit the Riverrun siege and not “sully the Tully” name
    any further. I wouldn’t be surprised if more scenes are being developed to magnify
    all or any scenes that depict Jaime in perfect light
    , from hereon. His later joining
    the Frey-Lannister camps, outside RR would be unnecessary.

    Considering the diminished Tully presentation, thus far, the Blackfish would
    appear cantankerous, defending a near empty Castle, with neither Jeyne Westerling
    or her mother, there. I lament his not getting to say ” peace is sweet, my lady, but on what terms? “
    .

    If Ryman Frey is cast, it may be just for an honuorable mention. Perhaps to
    show off his new crown.

  16. WildSeed
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack,

    Little Robert didn’t get to see his mommy fly ) :

  17. Omar Brown
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Talented Man! I am really looking forward to his ep next season!

  18. Al Swearengen
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Just please bring Neil Marshall back for season Five!!!! he’s a talented enough director to handle an episode that isn’t so action packed.

  19. TheBerylfly
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    While I had a lot of issues with Blackfish’s portrayal on the show, those all were with the writers. Visually he fits the bill one hundred percent, at least for me (also am I the only one who feels he and Bronn look much alike?)
    And I hope to all hells they keep in subplot from Affc, one ofumy favorite parts of the books and a certain character’s arc

  20. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Interesting. I too would like to know if Ygritte will die in Episode 9.

    Also, Kit Harrington has been cast in the lead role of a Spooks Movie.

    http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/nov/08/spooks-movie-game-of-thrones-kit-harington?commentpage=1

    He seems to be doing really well despite being a weaker actor on GoT. Maybe it’s the script’s fault though, so hoping Season 4 will put things right.

  21. Greenjones
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/CatonSet

    Shooting drawing to an end.

  22. juseas
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Check out this new Pixomondo Visual Effects Video for Season 3

    http://www.cgmeetup.net/home/making-of-game-of-thrones-season-3/

  23. GeekFurious
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    He seems to be doing really well despite being a weaker actor on GoT.

    Never understood this opinion. He seems as capable as any actor. He’s playing the character they want him to play.

  24. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I’m up and down on him. I think he’s doing pretty well. He’s got a lot of pressure, and he’s not a Charles Dance type, who could go in with a scowl and yell the telephone book at people, and nail it as Tywin. I guess I find him a bit less natural than Maisie or Sophie, and that’s what hurts him at times. I did think him very good in Season 3, tho.

  25. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    He’s definitely capable but his delivery can be a little wooden and I don’t really feel like he brings Jon to life. He’s not helped greatly by the script either, although it’s got to be difficult writing for a character who rarely says his thoughts out loud.

    So when all these factors add up together, I end up a huge fan of book Jon but fairly ho hum about tv Jon. He’s like the reverse of Tywin, who I don’t feel so strongly about in the books but absolutely love in the show.

  26. Arthur
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    IMO, from what I remember feeling from the books, is that Jon Snow was basically the naive male version of Sansa.

    Sansa learns the hard way in KL that life isn’t like the fairy tales of knights in shinning armor being virtues and fighting for good. She is forced to grow up and see things as they are based in reality…

    Jon has this same awakening when he travels beyond The Wall and comes to realize things aren’t so black and white as he was told. He learns Wildlings are just people, like people of Westeros, just trying to survive and make due with what they are dealt. But the coming darkness and rise of the White Walkers is pushing them to seek refuge beyond the wall… Who would blame them?

    Anyway, just trying to say, IMO Jon Snow was kind of dull and boring to me until he returned from beyond The Wall. After that point he did a 360 and wasn’t a naive “Do-Gooder” anymore. He becomes a leader and starts to make decisions and communicate ideas that are based in his new found reality…

    It is just a shame he gets killed for it in a Julius Caesar type fashion, right when I start looking forward to Jon Snow chapters and seeing what kind of badass leadership changes he would make, GRRM kills him off.

    I just hope he Wargs into Ghost, would be a fitting name for that Dire Wolf, since it would then be the home of Jon’s Ghost in a way

  27. sunspear
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I don’t think Jon’s as naive as Sansa, but you make a pretty good case. Plus, he’s always been a more reserved guy, not talking to a lot of people, not being very expressive. Kit isn’t phenomenal, sure, but it isn’t his fault his character is naturally inexpressive.

  28. Arthur
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:23 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Oh yeah…

    My whole point to my above comment was to say that now I think Kit will have more to work with and not have to play that naive, good-looking, sheltered lording from Winterfel…

    He returns from beyond The Wall a mangrown, in more ways then one.

    So lets hope his acting reflects that and he becomes that reluctant, yet radicle leader of the Nights Watch that was so fun to follow in the books.

  29. JamesL
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    He is one of the worst on the show. Anytime he has to show any type of emotion whether it be anger or sadness he is really bad.

  30. Patchy Face
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Spoilers Dude!

  31. Turncloack
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Pepi,

    This would be another sad entry, if writers continue to depictBrynden Tully vastly
    different from his book character. His scenes have been so far, forgettable and devoid
    of any demonstration of his strengths ( other than besting Edmure at shooting arrows).
    I’d rather the series quit the Riverrun siege and not “sully the Tully” name
    any further. I wouldn’t be surprised if more scenes are being developed to magnify
    all or any scenes that depict Jaime in perfect light
    , from hereon. His later joining
    the Frey-Lannister camps, outside RR would be unnecessary.

    Considering the diminished Tully presentation, thus far, the Blackfish would
    appear cantankerous, defending a near empty Castle, with neither Jeyne Westerlingor her mother, there. I lament his not getting to say ” peace is sweet, my lady, but on what terms? “.

    If Ryman Frey is cast, it may be just for an honuorable mention. Perhaps to
    show off his new crown.

    Sully the Tully name? The Blackfish barely has any page time in the books. He’s basically the Boba Fett of Game of Thrones. ANd on the show he’s been nothing but badass

  32. WildSeed
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Turncloack,

    Somewhat true.
    His book role didn’t generate many chapters, directly, but he was either indicated or referred to for many instances. Where his courageous acts at or beyond the Eyrie, or his counsel to Cate or Robb, Bryndan Tully demonstrated numerous points of
    inclusion
    . One could just reason that his character had great impact, that serves the ASOIAF story, overall, yet if not him, whom would take his place ? In order to streamline or adapt , as necessary, certain elements of the Riverrun or related sequence , must be abbreviated. This makes pragmatic sense.
    The case for Blackfish or Hoster is no longer paramount to anything. For now it’s Edmure that remains our (future) focus. Nothing wrong with that. Looking forward to what lies ahead, it’s bound to be an eventful season.

  33. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Sorry but show Blackfish kicks book Blackfish’s tail. Book Blackfish is lame.

  34. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    I’ve never quite understood why the Blackfish is so immensely popular in the books; he’s a nice side character, but there are literally dozens of those, and a lot that I find more compelling than him. The show version, while much less likable, is played by a very charismatic actor, who will surely shine in scenes against NCW. I doubt that they’ll cut out these scenes, and wouldn’t be surprised if they’d add to them instead, especially since it sounds like Russell will be in Season 4, and I don’t think Jaime will go to the Riverlands before Season 5.

  35. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Sorry but show Blackfish kicks book Blackfish’s tail.Book Blackfish is lame.

    The convo between Blackfish and Jaime on the RR bridge is a classic. Looking forward to it. But I agree that, since he doesn’t have a POV or a local POV (like Davos is to Stannis), much of his charisma is lost. A lot of his greatness is in the past or only passively reported through hearsay and second-hand news. Even his escape from RR is pretty much cloak-and-daggered since there was no POV around. I just hope he shows up in the Vale or elsewhere in TWoW and makes more of an active difference.

    Show Blackfish has much potential, but that piss break still has me irked…from several perspectives.

  36. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: The convo between Blackfish and Jaime on the RR bridge is a classic. Looking forward to it. But I agree that, since he doesn’t have a POV or a local POV (like Davos is to Stannis), much of his charisma is lost. A lot of his greatness is in the past or only passively reported through hearsay and second-hand news. Even his escape from RR is pretty much cloak-and-daggered since there was no POV around. I just hope he shows up in the Vale or elsewhere in TWoW and makes more of an active difference.

    How is that standoff any better than the countless others in the series? The one during Stannis’ siege of Storms End when he fights Renly comes to mind.

  37. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of stand offs, there is no doubt in my mind that Ned would have beat Jaime in their show duel.

  38. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: How is that standoff any better than the countless others in the series?The one during Stannis’ siege of Storms End comes to mind.

    Well I can’t say it’s any better but it’s an awesome meeting between strong characters going through massive change. Blackfish losing everything that his family held for generations and handicapped Jaime forced to check his ego and try another tactic other than bloodshed. Personally, I found the verbal jabs between them on the bridge classic GRRM and I thought the whole bizarre situation/standoff was fascinating.

    The more I think about BF’s vanishing act at the RW, I can’t help but compare it to his vanishing act at RR after the “deal” was brokered. Weird…are they going that route and not doing the RR standoff at all?

  39. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t mind if the Riverrun storyline is cut, I mean what’s the point? I never understand why book fans are like “YAAAAS JAIME’S AFFC CHAPTERS!!! SO GOOOD”. The plot isn’t exactly pivotal, it’s virtually certain to the audience that the war is pretty much over and Riverrun will fold anyway. In the books it was different because the Blackfish was keeping the siege going for Jeyne Westerling (or her imposter) and it gave Jaime an opportunity to interact with numerous characters that aren’t in the show and don’t need to be (Daven, Lancel, Strongboar, Ami Frey, Ryman Frey, Gemma Lannister, Emmon Frey, the turned Riverland lords etc.)

  40. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    + the plot needs to be as streamlined as possible so keeping him in KL rather adding another location and storyline is probably a good idea

    Also on Jon, I thought his acting was good this season, despite always having that “it’s minus 30 degrees and i’m wet and unhappy” look for the first half of the season, but I think we’ll start routing for him this season, as that’s when I started to in the books

  41. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hmm.. interesting take on it. I found it boring but it might deserve a reread.

  42. WildSeed
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 7:58 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I really agree with this, with respects to Blackfish’s book reputation and historical
    perspective of the story , overall.
    Yet, that’s one reason why I enjoyed him, if
    only for the insights gained. I feel the same about lady Olenna. GoT -Blackfish had
    or has the opportunity for greater potential , if deemed necessary for his character.
    As there is little point lingering at RR, and virtually nothing was learned from
    his S3 debut ( other than to slap Edmure around ), I’m non plussed.
    Moreover,
    I may be pleasantly surprised by Cogman’s ingenuity to make S4 memorable, with
    those scenes he’s cast in.

    On another note, maybe Rattleshirt will prove to be something more than an idiot
    standing around in a Comic Con Cosplay ensemble. ( :
    Oh Mance, sing me a song , I need a lullaby ( :

  43. WildSeed
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: Book Blackfish is lame.

    Possible maybe. I though Edmure as lame too, nothing learned from, no reputation.
    Ros had to marry someone, though. *>*

  44. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Mance can sing as long as its not Lloyd Webber.

  45. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Speaking of stand offs, there is no doubt in my mind that Ned would have beat Jaime in their show duel.

    only in the show ofcourse, Ned was massively unfit in the books (remember when Littlefinger led him to Cat)
    But as an Unsullied at that point, it did emphasise the idea that the main character could beat anyone and would always survive!!!! So it made it even more shocking when he got a little light-headed a few episodes later

  46. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Have you read the speculation about a possible Red Wedding version 2.0? The theory, more or less, is that the Freys will have a wedding at Riverrun and Stoneheart/The Brotherhood will use Jaime to gain access. It’s far fetched, especially considering Jaime would never go for it, unless he thought he could save Brienne, but even then I’m not sure he would agree. But it would be pretty interesting if something like that did happen, because I have trouble seeing where George is going with Jaime and Brienne.

  47. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yes I’ve heard that theory, I think it’s pretty plausible simply because Tom O’ Sevens is in Riverrun. But honestly when I read it I took that as further evidence of the Brotherhood breaking down and changing for the worse under the corrupt leadership of Stoneheart.

    I see people hoping for the Red Wedding 2.0 a lot on the forums, and that’s why I think it won’t happen. An “all the wronged characters get vengeance and all the bad guys die” event sounds a lot more Disney than GRRM.
    I’m a lot more interested in what happens before that, with Brienne and Jaime and UnCat

  48. Delta1212
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Kit Harington’s problem is largely that Jon is an interesting character in an interesting environment when viewed from the inside, and a whiny, fairly vanilla character in an interesting environment when viewed from the outside.

    It’s fairly similar to Sansa actually, except that Sophie is a bit better at expressing her character’s internal life than Kit. Plus, I think she’s given more interesting performances to play against. Joffrey, Cersei, Tyrion, Littlefinger, Sandor, Margaery are better foils for Sansa than Thorne, Mormont, Mance, Sam, Ygritte, Quorin are for Jon (at least, all of their respective show versions. There is an argument to be made that the neutering up to this point of characters like the Halfhand and the King Beyond the Wall has really hurt Jon).

    There is a reason, though, that I think Kit’s work playing against Dinklage and Rose Leslie has been his best. Their characters have given him more to work with than anyone else. (I love Sam, but this far most of the time spent actually interacting with Jon has either bordered on or outright been comic relief).

  49. kevin
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    But what if somebody good will die in that action? Brienne for instance, or maybe Sansa?RW 2.0 will get another feeling and twist than RW 1.0. Maybe there will be something like that at Riverrun, but I doubted it will be a wedding. But we’ll have to wait how everything will turn out. I think TWOW will be like SoS, with lot of twists and turns and unexpected things. But the problem is that things that GRRM can write unexpected like maybe a RW 2.0 is too obvious for the show, just like the unexpected arrival of Stannis in the books at the wall

  50. House Mormont
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 8:45 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    I also think/hope for dear life that tWoW will be like storm of swords in length and pace (and hopefully writing time)
    And yeah Brienne could die in it… but she could also die in single combat against Jaime, which I think would be more emotionally gripping

  51. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 9:25 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Jaime: By what right does the Wolf judge the Lion?

    Rygar: By the right that the Lion needs assistance to take down the Wolf in a one-on-one fight, sisterfucker. Nice nose by the way. ;)

  52. Turncloak
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Just saw Thor. Best Tully funeral ceremony eva! Nice work by Alan Taylor

  53. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    It was just a hungry hyena jumping in on what it viewed as dead meat. The lion swatted him away for daring to steal his feast.

  54. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    I agree with a lot of the things said above with regards to Kit’s acting but have not always understood the hate for Kit and Emilia and Gemma Whelan for that matter. I honestly can’t think of a “weak” actor on this show, per se. I even read Asha’s aDwD chapters with Gemma’s voice and face in mind. Nina Gold did a great job and Kit was one of the first people to be cast on the show, by the way. But to each their own :)

    Silent Hill: Revelations was pretty bad in many ways, but I kind of enjoyed Kit’s take on Vincent Carter as high school kid, who managed to very casually gain the main character’s trust, with his leather jacket and “outsider” persona. And we’ll have to see how Pompeii goes down, since it’s Paul W Anderson’s movie. But he is also doing a voice for How to train your Dragon 2 and what I look forward to most is the Spooks movie and Seventh Son, because he’ll be playing opposite Jeff Bridges and Jullianne Moore.

    It’s tempting to say he’s simply going the Orlando Bloom way after Legolas – because he’s good looking – but I doubt it, the roles he’s trying to choose seem better.

  55. Rygar
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Disagree. Jaime had fear in his eyes. Fear of losing. Watch for it.

  56. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Sorry for double post, but the lead character’s name was Heather :)
    And yes, Jon gets more interesting by the second half of aSoS. He does more talking and less thinking too. However, I disagree that Sam is only there for comic relief. The fight they have early in season 2 to about Gilly had been some of the best acting that Kit had done on the show (and John) together with his speech to Ygritte about the failed Wildling attacks on the Wall in S3. He said in an interview something along the lines of that he’s got to do right by the fans this season, so I think he’s aware the pressure’s on.

  57. Turncloak
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:54 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: appen, because I have trouble seeing where George is going with Jaime and Brienne.

    This sounds too much like fanfiction. GRRM is better than that i think :]. I always thought that Arya would be given a mission to assassinate Lady Stoneheart except fails and Lady Stoneheart ends up killing her own daugter without realizing it. Kind of a reverse Oedipus.

  58. Arthur
    Posted November 8, 2013 at 11:56 pm | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    I think Dany and Jon represent a large chunk of fan favorites from the books. I know I love Dany and want to see her on a Dragon in all your glorious beauty just owning shit.

    I think because so many of us really like Dany and Jon in the books that subconsciously we put a huge desire for the actors that play these characters to live up to our own personal expectations. Which of course isn’t really possible for any actor to achieve.

    Because of that I think a lot of people unknowingly have this grudge against Emilia and Kit.

    I honestly see nothing wrong with their acting and I actually like their portrayals. Of course they don’t match the acting skills of a, lets say, Charles Dance but who does? That took Charles decades to master and Emilia and Kit are basically fresh out of acting school.

  59. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Arthur

    Completely agree :)

    Our psychological expectations play a huge part in constructing how we want the characters to be played, especially our favourite ones. I remember during season 2 someone also said in a long past thread that they couldn’t understand why Stephen Dillane could do cold right with Stannis but not Kit, and I answered in a similar way in that Dillane had a lot of experience already whereas Kit hadn’t. I’m also convinced people get angry/jealous because Kit and Emilia get a lot of attention because they are young and playing extremely popular characters, at the expense of other great actors/ more complex characters and it plays a huge role in this grudge.

    Honestly I can’t wait for Dany to run to Drogon, pull the melting sword from his smoking wounds and give him a beating before getting on his back. It will make for great television. A current reread of the books also gave me new appreciation for Denearys as a character and Em plays her so well.

  60. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    My favorite Emilia scene I think is at the end of episode 2 season 3, when Selmy bows down and swears to Dany. For some reason the heavy breathing and the way she turns her head upwards while looking down, it’s like she orgasms with the feeling of excitement and power. IDK, there’s little things that Emilia does here and there that really give me this adrenaline rush and that scene with just her expression and breathing is so awesome.

    Kit does just fine, it’s not his fault he is so handsome. I think, like you already expressed, it’s going to take several really strong performances for him to get over all the naysayers just labeling him as just another prettyboy. I think this season Kit will have more opportunities to give those type of powerful performances…

    Man, now I have to YouTube that Dany meets Selmy scene again so I can see her orgasm with power… Hah!

  61. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Giantsbabe,
    I think Dany and Jon represent a large chunk of fan favorites from the books. I know I love Dany and want to see her on a Dragon in all your glorious beauty just owning shit.

    Chaos, conflict, youthful lust, betrayal, dark beauty and prophesy surround Dany, even without considering her dragons. I hope this season deepens her storyline…her crowdsurfing days are over. From my perspective, she won’t “own” it until she emerges from the flames bald.

  62. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:52 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Here’s the clip, it’s such a small detail but Emilia does things like this with her portrayal as Dany all the time and I really enjoy it.

    She really plays a Targaryen well IMO and gives us glimpses here and there of their intensity…

    I mean look at her expression and breathing, she doesn’t really comprehend yet as to what just happened to her but she can tell from her old bears words and tone that its something really really big. That fact excites her and you can tell in her expression and heavy breathing that shes just exploding with that orgasmic Targaryenst feeling of power…

    And Emilia communicates all this just by facial expression and breathing… That’s pretty awesome!

    http://youtu.be/QyoyrtaQ-VI

  63. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Arthur,
    Here’s the clip, it’s such a small detail but Emilia does things like this with her portrayal as Dany all the time and I really enjoy it.

    When I first saw the scene, I thought Obi Wan Kenobi was stalking them!

  64. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oh man I agree…

    I think the minute Dany jumps in the gladiator pit and stares down Drogon before jumping on his back and taking flight will be the point where Dany just starts owning shit

    Man, I hope D&D talk to HBO executives to pour resources into that scene. If done correctly with the proper time and money that can be a scene HBO can run over and over with their trademark “Only on HBO” and it would never get old…

  65. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Jon is my favorite character in the books but, other than in season 1, I have not found that I’ve enjoyed the show’s version that much. Most of that is the way his character is written, but there are moments when I roll my eyes at Kit’s acting. But again, that could be because of the writing. I didn’t really think he was that bad in season 1. In regards to Emilia and Dany I am the complete opposite. Daenerys is not one of my favorite characters in the books, especially after ADWD, but I have enjoyed Emilia’s Daenerys in the show, sans season 2.

  66. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    I can’t wait to see what happens to Rickon Stark!

    I hope he returns much later as a young man with tribal tattoos and a bald shaven head with piercings and bones pierced through the bridge of his nose or some shit like that with Shaggy Dog by his side and a legion of cannibalistic Celtic-like tattooed warriors behind him… =]

  67. Arkash
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I never realized Emilia’s breathing during that scene ! Amazing ! Yeah, she definitly nailed the stress, incomprehension and, as you said the very Targaryen “Oh, yeah ! I got power and influence, bitches !”

    Kuddos to her.

    As for Kit, his scenes in “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” and “Mhysa” (and in a lesser extent in “RoC”) were his best in the show ! That’s where he really nailed Jon and gave us a glimpse of what is to come in S4 in terms of his portrayal of the character ! I really hope they will give him good partners for his scenes !

  68. A wildling Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe:
    And yes, Jon gets more interesting by the second half of aSoS. He does more talking and less thinking too. However, I disagree that Sam is only there for comic relief. The fight they have early in season 2 to about Gilly had been some of the best acting that Kit had done on the show (and John) together with his speech to Ygritte about the failed Wildling attacks on the Wall in S3. He said in an interview something along the lines of that he’s got to do right by the fans this season, so I think he’s aware the pressure’s on.

    that scene where Sam urges Jon to help Gilly in season 2 is my Favourite .. top notch acting from Kit

  69. Ross
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Off topic, nice feature on BBC about Jack Gleeson’s charity work. First time I’ve seen him say he could potentially carry on acting, hope he does.

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24849274

  70. Delta1212
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 2:33 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe:
    Sorry for double post, but the lead character’s name was Heather :)
    And yes, Jon gets more interesting by the second half of aSoS. He does more talking and less thinking too. However, I disagree that Sam is only there for comic relief. The fight they have early in season 2 to about Gilly had been some of the best acting that Kit had done on the show (and John) together with his speech to Ygritte about the failed Wildling attacks on the Wall in S3. He said in an interview something along the lines of that he’s got to do right by the fans this season, so I think he’s aware the pressure’s on.

    Ah yes, I forgot about that scene. Reinforces my point that Kit does best when playing against someone who can give him something to work with, though. It’s just unfortunate that Jon has fewer opportunities for that than many characters and that, even more unfortunately, most of those he does have have been squandered (by necessity, arguably, since his plot line is still peripheral enough to require a lot of condensing and Quorin and Mance were effectively cut in favor of Ygritte, but squandered nonetheless).

  71. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 3:46 am | Permalink

    Arthur, I think if you have a favourite actor you notice these little things, so I get where you are coming from :). With Charles Dance it’s voice, with Peter Dinklage it’s facial expressions. Each actor has their strong points. Emilia mastered a difficult made up language and delivered perfectly. With Kit in, those moments where he nails it perfectly, especially in the above discussed Ygritte and Sam scenes, he got more and more charismatic as the scenes progressed and that’s what nailed it I think.
    So David and Dan have said they write to an actor’s strengths. Maybe now that Jon will start to develop as a leader he can have more scenes where he can act with appropriate charisma.

  72. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    From his interactions on the show so far, Kit Harington really seems to be doing better with actors his own age or younger (with the possible exception of Peter Dinklage, and that one could make a rock look good). I don’t think he’s a horrible actor, but these scenes where hardened men are supposed to see potential in him just don’t do anything for him. He needs more back and forth with his scene partner – that’s why his scenes with Ygritte work so well (that, and Rose Leslie is really good). Emilia on the other hand largely has a very broad canvas to play on – Dany’s storyline requires little subtlety so far, and so she’s not displaying any (IMO). She’s convincing in the scenes where she’s supposed to be righteously angry, and otherwise she seems plucky and likable (which isn’t that bad, all in all).

    That said, compared to a lot of the other young actors on the show – Alfie, Joe, Rose, John, Iwan, Thomas, Gemma, Jack, Maisie, Sophie, Isaac – they are rather mediocre, and a lot of times I can’t shake off the feeling that their more typical “leading hero” looks played a great part in their casting.

  73. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    interesting that clive russell seemed to confirm blackfish will turn up in S4, not sure in who’s plotline though. Maybe as part of some extra Roose and Walder Frey scenes? Or in Brienne’s plotline? or with lady stoneheart?

  74. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    NomadicDirewolf,

    I was wondering the same, actually. I think all your suggestions would work although if they do the last one, I’d expect the Blackfish to discover that Catelyn is still “around,” to get an emotional reaction from him, and I don’t expect her to be re-introduced like that. Her appearing in a more menacing context, by hanging assorted Freys is such a distinctive sign that the character has fundamentally changed, I don’t think they’d drop that. So, Blackfish-Lady S., yes, but probably not before Season 5, either.

  75. Arkash
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 6:06 am | Permalink

    I was preaching for a long-time that the Lady Stoneheart discovery be made by Brienne if they manage to trim her Feast arc, but actually, having it be the Blackfish as the season 4 closer could really work as well.

  76. AmrWaked121
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 6:52 am | Permalink

    This is oooold news lol, but good video nonetheless.

  77. OldeCrone
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 8:37 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace,

    Oh dear! I like the ones you find “rather mediocre” and Charles Dance has said he thought Maisie Williams was very good, so I guess he knows what he’s talking about. But ‘twould be be a dull world if we were all the same and you do not have to agree with me [and clearly don't]. I hadn’t read the books – at least not when I first watched the show [I've read some but not all now]. I had no preconceived idea about how a certain character should be so that may have enabled me to accept an actor more readily provided they were capable. No actor on the show has struck me as absolutely “hammy” yet. There’s a show called “Once Upon a Time” that I had to stop watching at least in part because I couldn’t take the boy child actor whinging and whining and running off – okay one empathised the first time but when he did it about the 999th time!!!! I don’t blame the actor I blame the way he is being directed. Yet I know people who think it’s a wonderful show …….

  78. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    I mentioned Maisie Williams among the actors I find very good. I said I find Emilia Clarke and Kit Harington mediocre compared to these others, not the other way round. So, if you find Emilia and Kit great (as actors), we disagree, but otherwise, you may have misunderstood me. :)

    That kid on Once Upon A Time will hopefully find another career that better suits him once he’s grown up enough to decide that, yes!

  79. Turncloak
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Did anyone watch Thor last night? They had the most epic Tully funeral ceremony EVA! Good job Alan Taylor

  80. OldeCrone
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace,

    Yes I did misunderstand you – sorry, Blue Grace. I personally don’t mind Emilia or Kit but it’s different strokes for different folks I suppose (I’m sure I’ve quoted that saying before somewhere on a thread here). I did think Lara Perilla was very good in “Once Upon a Time” – the best thing in it really even more than Robert Carlyle – but the rest of the show irritated me so much that I gave up on it for the second series. One can only watch a thing for so long hoping it is going to improve.

  81. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,

    I don’t really mind Emilia and Kit, either, they’re just… well. They’re there and they are pretty, and their characters are heroic without many complications. I find that a bit dull, but there are enough other characters and actors to keep me interested, and I know that Dany especially is a big draw for a lot of the viewers. Without viewers, no show, thus, yay for Dany and Jon, and Kit and Emilia!

    Lana Parilla was my reason for watching OUAT, too! I love her, she’s really great. But the show seemed really boring most of the time, so I dropped it. Just not my thing. *shrugs*

  82. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone:
    The Blue Grace,
    ….but the rest of the show irritated me so much that I gave up on it for the second series.One can only watch a thing for so long hoping it is going to improve.

    Speaking of irritations….did anyone catch the latest American Horror Story: Coven episode? It’s like the showrunners gave up and turned the writing over to a bunch of novices. The episode (and season thus far) is awful when compared to previous seasons and was hard to watch. I was almost embarrassed for the actors. I have never seen a quality show go south so quickly.

  83. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Speaking of irritations….did anyone catch the latest American Horror Story: Coven episode? It’s like the showrunners gave up and turned the writing over to a bunch of novices. The episode (and season thus far) is awful when compared to previous seasons and was hard to watch. I was almost embarrassed for the actors. I have never seen a quality show go south so quickly.

    I actually quite like this season… I haven’t watched the second one, admittedly. But this one, save for the fourth episode or so, I found really good. They play with gothic horror and witch stereotypes a lot, of course, but I remember the first season doing the same with urban myths and horror movies. But to each their own, as always. The actors certainly seem to have their fun, and Angela Bassett, Jessica Lange and Kathy Bates especially are great.

  84. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    The Blue Grace: I actually quite like this season… I haven’t watched the second one, admittedly. But this one, save for the fourth episode or so, I found really good. They play with gothic horror and witch stereotypes a lot, of course, but I remember the first season doing the same with urban myths and horror movies. But to each their own, as always. The actors certainly seem to have their fun, and Angela Bassett, Jessica Lange and Kathy Bates especially are great.

    Yeah, you’re right…they are throwing in every classic horror story element for this season…zombies, frankensteins, witches, voodoo, immortality, chainsaws, dungeon captives, murderous, cheating husbands…maybe next episode, the vampire Lestat will make an appearance? I’m surprised Anne Rice hasn’t had a cameo yet!

    Just something about last week’s episode disappointed me. Maybe I prefer more of the insanity and mental dysfunction kind of horror presented in the first two seasons.

  85. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:14 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    nah, Lestat won’t show up. Anne Rice quotes Southern Gothic herself, and New Orleans had creepy stuff long before she thought of Interview With A Vampire. Did you know Marie Laveau and Delphine Lalaurie were actual historical people?

    There were actually two Marie Laveaus, both voodoo queens and presumably mother and daughter. People thought it was just one leading a very long life, and of course the second kept that story alive, since it made people afraid of her.

    Lalaurie did actually commit atrocities as is described – nobody knows how many, but some of the stuff that is shown on the show she unfortunately did to her slaves. Not a nice person by any stretch. And she kind of disappeared after she was caught, too – it is assumed she eventually died in Paris.

    And the murderous husband might be based on an axe murderer who roamed New Orleans in the 1920s, while the zombies are a classic voodoo cliche (think Haiti before you think The Walking Dead). New Orleans has quite the weird and spooky history!

    I’ve read about quite a bit of this stuff before, though – it probably works better when you’re familiar with these elements.

    As for last week, I just really liked the image of Taissa Farmiga with a chainsaw, so I have to disagree with you here. Also, the rivalry between Fiona and Myrtle(!) is simply hilarious to me, because Fiona is so evil, it’s awesome, and Myrtle is such a bizarre riff on Harry Potter witches, and Frances O’Connor(?) plays her so kookily – I could really watch them go at it for hours.

  86. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    …I’ve read about quite a bit of this stuff before, though – it probably works better when you’re familiar with these elements.

    Are you suggesting that I shouldn’t give up on it just yet? If so, you have succeeded. Thx! I do find the macabre New Orleans history quite interesting…I was just disappointed in the writing/editing of the past episode. It had a very different, almost forced, feeling to it.

  87. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    maybe? I always hesitate to make these kinds of suggestions, because sometimes there just are different tastes, and before you’re annoyed by something, it’s better to just drop it (makes the viewing experience twice as enjoyable, I’ve found). And if your opinion on the season so far has been that it’s awful… I don’t know. You know yourself best.

    You make an interesting point, though, because the episode before this last one actually felt that forced to me. And I will admit that both the Frankenstein Storyline and the stuff with Spaulding makes me scratch my head more than a bit.

  88. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I would argue in your favour that Dany is emotionally moved in that scene. Exhilarated. Orgasmic power yes but also touched deeply by the loyalty. Her soft heart and her Targ thirst for power tapped at the same time.

    A great Emilia moment. Her best moment for me was the parley with the Yunkish delegate in 3×07. That was the character straight off the page.

  89. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of Emilia, apparently she is being tapped to play Sarah Connor in a Terminator reboot! So we may have TWO Sarah Connors on the show.

  90. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    That’s awesome!

    It says director Alan Taylor has his eye on Emilia and two others. I hope she gets it!

    It will be a big role, a trilogy. The Terminator will be sent back through time to protect Sarah Conner this time.

  91. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    maybe? I always hesitate to make these kinds of suggestions, because sometimes there just are different tastes….

    I dare say, BG, suggest away! I come to this site often because of the perspectives and suggestions, directly and indirectly. In fact, your unabashed past views on Sansa and Victarion have given me pause to reconsider my initial reads on the subject matter. (mucho respecto!)

  92. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Joshua Atreides,
    It says director Alan Taylor has his eye on Emilia and two others.I hope she gets it!

    Alan Taylor seems to be getting around these days. His name is popping up everywhere.

  93. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Love that scene too!

    IMO Emilia has flashes of brilliancy where she really nails Dany’s Targaryen heritage…

  94. Arthur
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm | Permalink
  95. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    *bows* thank you, that is very kind! I’d say give it a chance, then. And if it crashes and burns, let’s curse the PTB together.

    Arthur:
    Joshua Atreides,

    Here’s the article about Emilia and Alan Taylor…

    http://m.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/terminator-reboot-casting-emilia-clarke-654772

    Hmm, sounds like they are ignoring Salvation. Mayyybe not the worst idea, although I liked parts of it.
    Brie Larson is a pretty good actress…

  96. Pussy Licker JonSnow
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    I agree with most of the comments about Emilia. Sometimes she nails the damn role, and I love seeing her orgasm with power. Other times she is a bit mediocre, like parts of season 2. “I AM DA MOTHA OF DRAGONS” and “WHERE ARE MAH DRAGONS” in particular. Shes been pretty good though overall, and I really enjoy looking at her haha.

    GoT is filled with so many brilliant performances, so when we see a not so brilliant one, we like to point it out and keep talking about it.

  97. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 9, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    “GoT is filled with so many brilliant performances, so when we see a not so brilliant one, we like to point it out and keep talking about it.”

    Yes, this is unfortunately very true. We are possibly the most critical and intellectually snobbish fanbase in the world. WE WAANT OUR DRAAAGONS!!!!!!!

    Har! XD

  98. Rygar
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 8:07 am | Permalink

    Emilia is fine. She, like Kit, are playing the roles how D&D want. We can’t fault her for the writing of terrible lines.

  99. Turncloak
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 10:08 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Emilia is fine.She, like Kit, are playing the roles how D&D want.We can’t fault her for the writing of terrible lines.

    I disagree. There are certain actors that can do more with less. Lena Heady, Liam Cunningham, Stephane Dillane come to mind. Also, look at the reviews of Breakfast at Tiffany’s when Emilia was starring, terrible. I’ve also not been impressed with Kit in his other projects outside of Game of Thrones. This is the season where we will see the caliber of these actors. “Kill the boy Kit Harrington, and let the man be born”.

  100. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    *sighs*

  101. Abyss
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    OT: While we wait for more news to see the light the of day let me present an idea here, that I am playing around with for quite some time now.
    Most of us know that WiC is a little busy with real life right now and can’t give the site’s overhaul as much attention as he would like to.
    How about this: Let’s start a crowdfunding campaign (le’s say on Kickstarter), so he can hire some one to do the work. The site has a pretty big following, and personaly, I would be more than willing to spend 20 bucks or so to see WinterisComing all fresh and new. I am sure I am not the only one. I don’t no exactly how much money WiC would need, but it can’t be that much. And the community here is big, I am sure we have at least one web designer here, who would be willing to do the job for a slightly reduced mates’ rate. ;-)

  102. WildSeed
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Some talent rises above the script. Dillaine and Dance are two that easily come to mind,
    along with those you’ve mentioned. Several others, to be fair, have had great moments,
    whether attributed to the profound circumstances embedded in that scene, or the
    familiarity of it…. for those in the know. Newcomers, like Fox and ( Theon ), have had
    great effect on me. As long as the writers are writing to the strengths of each actor,
    coupled with an unbiased POV that remains true to the (ASOIAF) text, there remains
    the potential for a continuation of great portrayals, if not delivery.

    I wish that Dan Hildebrand were able to come in another disguise, this time with
    hair, and wow us again. He would be abs fab in Dorne.

  103. H. Stark
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    An extra as a ironborn

    http://i.imgur.com/VbwZ4yp.jpg

  104. Greenjones
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Where’d you find this? Looks like the first hint of the Yara business having been filmed. (Which it must have been given they’re wrapping soon.)

  105. Greenjones
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    That’s awesome. Just hope the guy doesn’t get in trouble for somehow violating his NDA.

  106. Arkash
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Yara’s crew most probably !

  107. Rygar
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Look at who you are comparing her to? Why don’t you throw Ian McShane in there as well for good measure? Of course she’s not as good as them. Not many are. Out of all the “new” actors on the show, only Sansa has shown maturity and may be considered their peer.

  108. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    H. Stark,
    That’s awesome. Just hope the guy doesn’t get in trouble for somehow violating his NDA.

    He’s gonna pay the iron price for that. Note that he (or an admin) deleted his reddit alias from the post. Not cool.

    Did anyone note the optimistic TWoW release date posted on the the right side of that reddit page? 2014, July. A man can dream.

  109. SourPuss
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:

    Also on Jon, I thought his acting was good this season, despite always having that “it’s minus 30 degrees and i’m wet and unhappy” look for the first half of the season, but I think we’ll start routing for him this season, as that’s when I started to in the books

    ehhh to be fair he was playing a character who has just murdered one of the best men in his company, and is now a spy who will be executed if he is found out, and is living pretty rough with people who probably stink and have awful food and their women are butch, and it was wet and cold…I love his acting, I just don’t like his storyline for s3, but it will vastly improve in s4 as you say.

  110. Turncloak
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    That being said, Emilia Clarke had some fantastic moments in season 3. She had a lot better book material to work with, curious to see how she will do in the coming seasons since her plot doesn’t have a lot of forward progression after arriving in Mereen. Im also rooting for Kit to make the jump this year despite my criticism of him

  111. kevin
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Why are people comparing actors like Dance with Kit and Emilia? How long is Dance an actor? How long Kit and Emilia? You can’t compare those, because Dance has already done enough acting to become the actor that he is. Kit and Emilia are just starting, you never know how great they will act once they are 30 years or more in the business. Stop comparing actors who just started and who started more than 30 years ago. Because that only show the complainers capability of knowing what acting is, than the skills that Kit and Emilia have.

    Yes Kit and Emilia aren’t perfect in acting, but still for somebody who is just a couple of years in the business, they are doing fine.

    So if you want to compare Kit and Emilia, compare them to actors who are also just beginning their careers. And most of all don’t compare Kit’s Jon and Emilia’s Danny with the Jon and Danny with the books, because they aren’t suppose to deliver those characters, they are suppose to deliver D&D version of Jon and Danny.

  112. Turncloak
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    Ok then, let’s compare Masie Williams to Emilia Clarke and Isaac Hempstead Wright to Kit. Half the acting experience and yet superior :)

  113. Abyss
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    OT: Kristian Nairn (who has a serious beard now) talks about his nude scene in season 1. Let’s say it was problematic… :D

  114. Abyss
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Found the whole panel in 4 parts. Amrita Acharia (Irri) is on it as well. Could have spoilers, haven’t watched it yet. Here is part 1, youtube will provide the rest. ;-)

  115. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 10:39 pm | Permalink

    Gods.

    But comparing Kit and Em to Maisie and Isaac is also unfair. Because firstly the latter are child actors and secondly Bryan Cogman has said how much he enjoys writing for them. I have no problem with this, but the bias of the writers toward favouring certain actors in favour of other seem to play in here again. And why on earth compare someone to someone else to see if they are good or bad? The whole cast is amazing. We are blessed to experience this show in our lifetime.

  116. Greenjones
    Posted November 10, 2013 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/lauren_novelli

    Shireen filming tomorrow. I guess Cat Taylor meant one more week rather than one more day, huh?

  117. Arthur
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Any word from the HBO powers that be about a GoT season 4 teaser in two weeks airing right before the Boardwalk Empire finale?

    Didn’t we get that “The Ladder”, Little Finger voice over last year around this time?

  118. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I just checked the GoT youtube page and we got that in February. Sadly. We ought to get some visit to the set videos or production design things though.

  119. kevin
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 2:48 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    And still the way children learn things is different from the way adults learn things. Children learn things faster.

    But still personally I think Kit is one of the best of the cast, simply because he is one of the few who really dive into the character Jon psychologically. If you look at interviews with him, he really understand Jon Snow.

  120. Sergei Walankov
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Begging your pardon if this counts as OT, but here’s a good extended interview with GRRM that’s just gone to air on Australian television:

    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3888721.htm

  121. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:30 am | Permalink

    The appreciation of an actor’s performance is one the most subjective things in the world. We each have our criteria for what we wish to see in a certain performance. Daniel Day Lewis is considered one of the greatest actors in the world, yet many find him a bit of a ham as well. In the end If YOU like the performance that’s all that matters. For the sake of fun discourse rating one actor’s calibre as higher than another’s should fuel friendly debate but ultimately no one is right and no one is wrong.

  122. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    Kevin

    Like I mentioned earlier, Kit as purportedly one of the first people to be cast. If they were taking their casting choices seriously, I doubt they would choose him based solely on his looks. They were making choices for the long haul no doubt, since Kit apparently read a scene for the role of Jon Snow that was actually from season three (one with Ygritte, I believe) for his audition, believe it or not. Plus, he’s always defending Jon’s actions in interviews. And he himself mentioned that his favourite Jon bits are also the second half of aSoS, since he has apparently read to the end of Feast now. So I’m sure he’ll try his best with his material this next season.

  123. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:32 am | Permalink

    Sergei Walankov:
    Begging your pardon if this counts as OT, but here’s a good extended interview with GRRM that’s just gone to air on Australian television:
    http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2013/s3888721.htm

    That was quite a good interview. However, I always get really annoyed when people ask him when the next book is coming out, because not even GRRM knows that. What people should ask is for a progress update on TWoW.

  124. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    Offtopic news:
    Art Parkinson (Rickon) tweeted that he just found out that his name isn’t actually Art Parkinson… it’s Árt Parkinson. We now have to update all of the cast/character pages :P.

    https://twitter.com/ArtRickonrockon/status/399886995025313792

  125. Bard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Offtopic news:
    Art Parkinson (Rickon) tweeted that he just found out that his name isn’t actually Art Parkinson… it’s Árt Parkinson. We now have to update all of the cast/character pages :P.

    https://twitter.com/ArtRickonrockon/status/399886995025313792

    And it only took twelve years for him to find out!

  126. Turncloak
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Correct. Maybe it’s just also hard to translate Jon Snows character on screen too. I don’t know but he’s one of my favorite characters in the book but not even top 10 in the show.

  127. DavosDrivesTheBoat
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 12:02 pm | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    Keep moving those goalposts….

    Maisie and Isaac are better actors, period. Emilia is okay, getting better. Kit is awful 90% of time, a complete disappointment. His scenes with the redhead give me the douche chills JAWN SNAW!!! Ugh.

  128. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/JosefAltin
    https://twitter.com/CatonSet

    So both mention a wrap party over the weekend but Josef Altin also mentions that there is still more filming. From Kerry Ingram we know there was filming today and from Josef Altin we know there will be tomorrow, so was the wrap party for Dragon Unit and Wolf Unit still has a few more days?

  129. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    “Josef Altin ‏@JosefAltin 2h
    @InesAOP most will be going home soon so they done it when everyone was there.”

    Looked a little more thoroughly and found someone had asked my very question and Joe had answered it.

  130. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Liam Cunningham has also tweeted that he is Westeros bound today.

  131. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    So both mention a wrap party over the weekend….

    That’s all well and good. Filming for S4 has to end at some point.

    Hoping to hear about any extra filming (over an extended weekend or so) involving Michelle Fairley, Paul Kaye, and Richard Dormer…or maybe some extra “reshoots” involving Patrick Malahide…
    ;-)

  132. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters,

    I think we can surmise that Stannis and crew will be in Neil Marshall’s episode. It seems like the events of the battle are going to be quite different from the way they were in the book. I think Jon being arrested and sent to kill Mance is cut. My fear is this plays out exactly like ‘Blackwater’ did and instead of Tywin/the Tyrells arriving during the battle it will be Stannis and crew. I was hoping Stannis wouldn’t arrive until the finale. I guess Jon will be safe atop the Wall when Stannis arrives to crush Mance’s army.

  133. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Lord Of The Waters,
    My fear is this plays out exactly like ‘Blackwater’ did and instead of Tywin/the Tyrells arriving during the battle it will be Stannis and crew.

    Indeed, good point. There are interesting similarities, as written, to consider.

  134. Kris
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Carice Van Houten also tweeted she is Westeros bound.

  135. Alvis
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I’ve been thinking that since we haven’t heard anything about them being around, maybe they shot the thing back when they were filming season 3??

  136. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Alvis,

    Michelle Fairley’s Irish so I imagine she could’ve been in Belfast at any point over the summer and it might not have caused too much of a buzz.

    It’s good to see Shireen, Davos and Melisandre all heading out to film. One thing I hope, is that during the scene with the burning folks tied to the stakes is to hear Carice singing to them. Firstly because she’s got her music career going quite well and can sing but also because Salladhor said that in “Valar Dohaeris” and it was quite evocative. The image of her singing to burning men really sums up what she’s up to, so I hope they add that.

  137. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Paul Kaye has been in Belfast, though that is reported to be because of that Dracula movie. Still, it was remarked that he was still in Thoros mode with the beard, top knot thing going. It’s not too hard to assume that he would’ve done a few days on GoT while he was there. Richard Dormer, like Michelle Fairley, is Irish and would make less of a buzz being in his own country than Thoros, always noticeable as Strutter and Dennis Pennis.

  138. Rygar
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Totally off topic, but Boardwalk is gearing up for an amazing season finale.

  139. McBehrer
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Yeah, but Jaime NEEDS to be away from King’s Landing, because him being able to ignore Cersei’s summons to her trial is an important point in the story.

  140. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/Kerry_Ingram

    So she’s filming again tomorrow which times quite well with Liam and Carice returning to Westeros. Hopefully Tara Fitzgerald is there as well. We only got the one scene of Stannis and his family but it did the trick of showing a softer side to him. I hope we get more. Also I hope he wears that helm he did in the animated histories of the Blu-ray and that his sword is alight as he rides into the fray.

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/File:Stannis_Great_Wyk.png

  141. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    I may be a bit unconventional with my ideas on GoT actors, but I think Kit is rather good. His acting rarely takes me out of the scene, the way that 1st season Sophie Turner’s would. A lot of characters are in an environment that really gets to showcase their acting, whether it’s Ned getting mixed up in the political intrigue, Cat having emotional moments, Stannis being a badass, Davos confronting his King, Jaime attempting to piss off the heroes around him with his wit, Tyrion butting heads with Joffrey and Tywin, Arya sharing scenes with Tywin or the Hound, etc. Jon Snow spends a lot of time remaining introverted while his plot moves from A to B, and many of his scenes force him to be talked AT, and don’t involve him as a real participant (I’m thinking of his major scenes with Halfhand and Mance). Whenever he is a participant in the scene, where he does more than fight people, he’s good. But that only includes scenes with Ygritte and Sam. He probably fits best under the “action hero” category of GoT characters, where be goes through the motions of the plot, physically doing a lot, but not really doing much that is character-driven.

  142. Enfield
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    My mindset is similar to yours ^. All I really need an actor to do is to sell me on the role, which pretty much everyone has done. Also, there is a roll-of-the-dice aspect with some of these castings when you’re casting for the future. With most shows you can tailor your plot around the actors; in GoT the plot is set years in advance. So you’re bound to get some (slightly) underwhelming performances and some amazing ones. Alfie Allen comes to mind there.

    Besides, whatever your opinion is, I think we can all agree that the worst actor on the show was that kid Arya stabbed back in Season One. That was horrific.

  143. Turncloak
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: Lord Of The Waters,

    I think we can surmise that Stannis and crew will be in Neil Marshall’s episode. It seems like the events of the battle are going to be quite different from the way they were in the book. I think Jon being arrested and sent to kill Mance is cut. My fear is this plays out exactly like ‘Blackwater’ did and instead of Tywin/the Tyrells arriving during the battle it will be Stannis and crew. I was hoping Stannis wouldn’t arrive until the finale. I guess Jon will be safe atop the Wall when Stannis arrives to crush Mance’s army.

    I also feared that Stannis’ arrival would be 2 similar to Tywins. However, I strongly disagree with ur other fear. Why have Janos Slynt return this season unless it’s too send Jon on a suicide mission?

  144. Turncloak
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    I’m very excited for Davos this season. In the season 3 finale Davos said that Stannis will need him to find allies. This has me optimistic that we’ll see Davos in Sisterton. I love this scene. “In this world only winter is certain. We may lose our heads, it’s true…but what if we prevail?” My father sent him on his way with his head still on his shoulders. “If you lose,” he told Lord Eddard, “you were never here.”"
    “No more than I was,” said Davos Seaworth.

  145. Rygar
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    If I had to pick someone to be the next Hamlet, I’d go with the Stableboy actor over Hinds’ Mance.

  146. Enfield
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Haha fair enough, but I bet they’re going to expand his role next season in a good way. Either way, those Lannister soldiers who were killed while making fart jokes are definite candidates for Rosencrantz and Guildenstern

  147. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Alvis:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    I’ve been thinking that since we haven’t heard anything about them being around, maybe they shot the thing back when they were filming season 3??

    Greenjones:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Paul Kaye has been in Belfast, though that is reported to be because of that Dracula movie. Still, it was remarked that he was still in Thoros mode with the beard, top knot thing going. It’s not too hard to assume that he would’ve done a few days on GoT while he was there. Richard Dormer, like Michelle Fairley, is Irish and would make less of a buzz being in his own country than Thoros, always noticeable as Strutter and Dennis Pennis.

    Thx. There is something about these small non-POV scenes in S4 and beyond that is really exciting to think about. I hope the showrunners make the most of them, like the GreyRobb scene. Lots of potential with this material!

  148. Greenjones
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    There are a few ways that they could make his arrival more surprising. If they made it seem that it was unlikely he would have enough ships for instance. I think it’s likely they’ll do it in these two ways.

    Firstly have Tycho Nestoris meet with him after being rebuffed by Cersei or Tywin. The Banker could offer him ships etc. if he were to attack King’s Landing again and win the crown and thus be able to pay the debt. Stannis would say he intends to go north and then it would be left ambiguous whether or not the Bank was cool with that or whether that was a deal-breaker.

    Secondly have Davos seek out Salladhor Saan again. I think Davos will either seek out Saan’s ship or he will actually go to Lys. http://gameofthronesguide.wordpress.com/2013/10/05/sarine-sofair-cast/ Recall this bit of news. Now nude scenes in GoT tend to be filmed on closed sets so it’s doubtful the girl would have met Liam if he did not need to be there. I think they are somehow affiliated with Saan and are either his wives or Lysene girls. I think this a)because of the name Lhara and b) because of the costume the girl Bad Bentley posted on her twitter which seemed distinctly Essosi and not unlike those seen in the Free Cities animation from the season 2 Blu-Ray. The third actress is this girl https://www.facebook.com/AnoushkaVHKellettmodelling who is not Westerosi.
    From this I surmise that Davos goes to negotiate with Saan and, after some sort of sexy hijinks of some sort, they have Davos make yet another offer to the pirate and then as before, we are left ambiguous as to his answer.

    This way, we see it as unsure that he will be able to make it to the Wall. Sarine Sofair is in ep. six or seven, so that should be where we cut out of that storyline as they travel. And then bam! At least somewhat surprising.

  149. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Season 4 has been much better than season 3, but the show’s best characters(Harrow,Rothstein, and Van Alden) are criminally underused. I am going to probably be flayed for saying this, but I’m not a huge fan of Michael Kenneth Williams’ two popular HBO characters. That’s right, I said it. I was not a fan of Omar, and am even less enamored with Chalky White.

  150. Rygar
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Ah no worries about MKW. I loved Omar because I thought the character was interesting. Chalky is basically the same character with less balls below the belt and across the nose. ;)

    Michael Shannon and Stuhlburg are definitely under used, but what we get from them is utterly amazing. In fact, BE, IMO, has better performances all around than GoT. I can’t think of one actor I dislike. Maybe Will Thompson, but he may grow on me. Even though I loathe the characters Margaret and Jillian, they are portrayed impeccably.

    And who can not love Captain Nixon as a Piggly Wiggly businessman? Or Mickey Doyle’s giggles?

    Oh and I’m in love with Daughter Maitland.

  151. JamesL
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 9:04 pm | Permalink

    Shouldn’t we be seeing a Season 4 In Production video soon? The first one usually come in November.

  152. Turncloack
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    I didn’t mean that Stannis arrival won’t be surprising. It could very well be surprising. What I’m worried about is that we will have a “seen this before” attitude towards it as it’s so similar to Tywin’s arrival

  153. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    Turncloack:
    Greenjones,
    I didn’t mean that Stannis arrival won’t be surprising. It could very well be surprising. What I’m worried about is that we will have a “seen this before” attitude towards it as it’s so similar to Tywin’s arrival

    Plus, there will be giants and mammoths!

  154. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    DavosDrivesThe Boat

    I wouldn’t want you to read my Masters when it’s done, I would cringe at every comment..

    Apologies for that bolded post, I meant to bold only the name, not the enitre thing, lolz.

  155. Rygar
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Cocky101,

    I love your name. Cocks are my thang ya know.

    And I have many comments that induce vomiting. Please be more specific.

  156. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    And since we’re talking other shows (thankfully), I’ve seen up to season three now of Walking Dead. Bloody love it :)

  157. Arthur
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    Have you tried Vikings?

  158. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    I have Arthur, I watched the first episode, really liked it. Just need to finish it. I’m currently at the fifth season of Dexter and recently saw the first season of Weeds and rewatching some old X-Files episodes.

    It’s just a shame we can’t do post-grad studies here at South-African universities in European and Celtic Ancient culture. The focus is largely on the Ancient Near East and the Greco-Roman world, otherwise I’d gladly do something on the first, or even do a comparative study.

  159. Arthur
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    I just ask because Vikings and GoT both have the same seasonal slate but Vikings starts at 10pm. So I’d watch GoT at 9pm then Vikings at 10pm…

    Was a great two hours of television that I really looked forward to every Sunday and can’t wait to experience again.

  160. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Cocky101,
    Well, it looks like Travis Bickle has joined the conversation. Did your mother not put enough seroquel in your pudding tonight?

  161. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Cocky101,

    What’s up Troll? What’s shaking in TrollLand these days?

  162. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    @mods, have you implemented IP banning yet? :P

    On the topic of Boardwalk Empire: I didn’t really enjoy the first 3 seasons because the pacing was terrible, but this season has been brilliant so far.

  163. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 11, 2013 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Re: Boardwalk Empire
    Season 4>Season 2> Season 1 > Season 3
    IMHO.

  164. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Re: Boardwalk Empire
    Season 4>Season 2> Season 1 > Season 3
    IMHO.

    Agreed.

    And for the other series’ mentioned:
    Vikings gets my full recommendation.
    As for The Walking Dead: season 1 > season 2 > season 3 > season 4 (so far)

  165. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 12:23 am | Permalink

    GoT and Vikings sound like a good combo :)

    I started reading Terry Goodkind’s the Sword of Truth series. I thought the first one was fairly good and pretty intense, but I’m really struggling to progress with the second one. So that lead me to Legend of the Seeker tv series. Didn’t mind the changes so much. It’s tacky but enjoyable. The biggest fault with both books and tv series is the self-conscious moralising/ grappling. It stifles the story. Although loved Craig Horner’s Richard Cypher and Craig Parker’s Darken Rahl.

  166. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    And oh yeah, it looks like Game of Thrones is up for three People’s Choice awards: Best premium cable show, best anti-hero for Nicolaj and favourite tv actress for Emilia Clarke (hehe).

  167. Arthur
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 1:31 am | Permalink

    Giantsbabe,

    OMG!

    Kit looks awesome in this, he looks so badass. Look at his abs and muscles!!!

    New teaser trailer for the movie “Pompeii”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoVNF1Zus7Q

  168. OldeCrone
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 6:38 am | Permalink

    Regarding whether G R R Martin will finish the “Song of Ice and Fire” – well I suppose it is possible that he won’t but the late James James A Michener was still cranking out magnum opuses (or should that be magna opi?) almost up to his death at the age of 90 and P D James is still writing at 93 [before any smarty-pants points it out, I do realise those two writers did /do not write fantasy].

    Rygar, I recently saw an “old” – well 1997 film version – of Jane Eyre with Ciaran Hinds (Samantha Morton played Jane) as Mr Rochester and from his work there I would say he can do charismatic. He did have presence in “Rome” I thought – which was not a show I particularly liked despite having good actors.

  169. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Paul W Anderson Directing?
    Kiefer Sutherland cast as a villain? Fine but why a Roman villain?
    What no Milla Jovovich in these trailers? Maybe she is playing the voice of Vesuvius.

    Good exposure for Kit but the story of Pompeii deserves soooo much more than this.

  170. kevin
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 8:46 am | Permalink

    DavosDrivesTheBoat,

    what are you’re arguments with your opinion. Because I always learnt, an opinion without a argument isn’t a valid opinion. But that’s just how I look at it, it’s always easy to give your opinion, but it’s still an opinion, without an argument the opinion hasn’t have solid ground.

    Second they aren’t bad, you think they bad, don’t say an opinion as a fact, say it as an opinion.

    And last, you compare Isaac to Kit for instance, you can’t compare those two. With my studie I learned how children learn and how that’s connecting to the brain. Isaac learnt from the best Britisch actors in my opinion. Sean Bean etc. And if you look at how our brains work (children learn things faster than adults comes from that, the brain is growing till we are 21/22 till then everything we practice/learn till then will basically what you’re good at in later life, still you can change it then but it’s much harder and longer too learn).

  171. OldeCrone
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    To quote Ozzy Osbourne “Opinions are like armpits, everybody’s got them and some of them stink”.

    Back in the day when I was at school the teachers did tend to find fault if we stated something in an essay without giving facts to back it up. Having said that, there are times when I have disliked something instinctively (not necessarily in the “Game of Thrones” environment) and I have not really been able to put the reason into words.

  172. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    The Blue Grace:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    I’d say give it (American Horror Story: Coven) a chance, then. And if it crashes and burns, let’s curse the PTB together.

    In case you missed it, BG. You might like this news: http://tv.yahoo.com/news/american-horror-story-coven-books-stevie-nicks-guest-192453976.html
    Such a cliche (S Nicks as a witch)…but oh well…

  173. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    what if jamie marries brianne after killing his sister and declares for the 3 dragons? thus restoring his honour and saving/undoing all the work of his father?

  174. Greenjones
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Dragonstone crew is done for the year. https://twitter.com/caricevhouten https://twitter.com/Kerry_Ingram

    Carice van Houten ‏@caricevhouten 23m
    It’s a wrap. Gnight.

    KeZ ‏@Kerry_Ingram 9h
    Finally wrapped for this season, got some lovely pictures and met some amazing people

  175. Greenjones
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Also these while I’m a-posting.

    PeterHewkin ‏@PeterHewkin 4h
    Eldest daughter flies out to Belfast this week for filming of her guest appearance in “Game of Thrones” .. good for the CV!

    anthony mccaughley ‏@antosin2012 5h
    Just wrapped filming for Game of Thrones season 4!! Firing flaming arrows all day from top of the Wall @NightsWatch!!! It’s gona b class! :)

    Rudedoodle WOKitsch ‏@rudedoodle 13h
    I was at the farm shop (most middle class thing ever) in the Craigantlet hills and there are GOT arrows everywhere. Game of Thrones filming.

  176. Arthur
    Posted November 12, 2013 at 9:27 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Now I want a GoT arrow!!!

    Are they available at amazon.com yet?

    No seriously I want a damn GoT arrow!!!

  177. The Blue Grace
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Hodor’s Bastard: In case you missed it, BG. You might like this news: http://tv.yahoo.com/news/american-horror-story-coven-books-stevie-nicks-guest-192453976.html
    Such a cliche (S Nicks as a witch)…but oh well…

    Ahhh, spoilers! ;)

    And lol, HB. Since you watched the show, you should know that Stevie Nicks plays a big role in Misty Day’s storyline. I’m not surprised that she’s playing a witch.

    If clichés bother you so much, how did you manage to watch Season 1? It was full of clichés. The whole show is based on the idea of being a pastiche of horror elements and tropes. Maybe the ones in this season are simply not your cup of tea.

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