Octavia Alexandru’s role revealed
By Ours is the Fury on in Casting.

Octavia AlexandruThanks to an update to the young actress’s modeling résumé, we now know what role Octavia Alexandru will be playing in the fourth season of Game of Thrones. Her casting was first discovered in July on her agency’s web page.

Alexandru’s role involves material from A Dance with Dragons, and is therefore considered serious SPOILER territory!

According to her résumé, Alexandru will be playing the Child of the Forest, as many had speculated when her casting was uncovered. The Children of the Forest are a legendary people of Westeros, strange creatures that appear childlike but are in fact quite old.

Ours is the Fury:  WinterIsComing had speculated that she might be Leaf from ADwD, and it seems like with her introduction this year, Alexandru’s Child might be an equivalent of that character. The timing is right, with the Three-Eyed Raven popping up next year as well. Alexandru’s extensive dance experience will lend itself well to creative body language for the forest creature.


236 Comments

  1. Pointy End
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    :))

  2. Sean C.
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:32 am | Permalink

    So we’re definitely getting deep into Bran’s ADWD material, then.

  3. K26dp
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:34 am | Permalink

    Looks like they are really pushing to take Bran off the stage.

  4. utherwolf
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    I knew she would be a Leaf. Now I really want to find out which character will be playing Joseph Gatt.

  5. queenofthorns
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Dayum, I’m quite pleased! More DWD material plz!

  6. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    It’s good they found someone who looks like a young(er) Arya to play the part, but otherwise she’ll probably be squeezed into a green-body sock Gollum-style. Bring on the True Tongue, which I thought they’d introduce in Season 5, along with the character.

  7. Ours is the Fury
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Prosthetics are more likely than green-screening, I think, but I agree she’ll be mostly covered up. Can’t wait to see what the CoTF look like!

  8. CT Wahoo
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:52 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Well, since his ASOS arc was completed at the end of Season 3 and he isn’t in AFFC at all, where did you expect them to go? I don’t think we’ll see the CoTF or Bloodraven until the very end of S4–leaving Bran’s interaction with them as his arc for S5.

    The way things are shaping up, all of the Stark kids with the exception of Jon look like they are going to exhaust their AFFC/ADWD material by the end of S5. Need TWOW by the end of 2014.

  9. Nick_Scryer
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Wow! Extremely interesting and exciting!

    Looking forward to Bran’s arc a lot more in season 4 with what we’ve learned recently.

  10. Lou Reed
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Pushing the Bran arc, might be a strategy for eventual flashbacks in later seasons.

    With his abilities he can see into the past, and it could be a way to tell the story of Roberts rebellion and Lyannas abduction. And a possible, and very popular, reappearance of Sean Bean.

  11. Hodor
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Good. I don’t mind that D&D are going a bit deeper into Dance. It’s better to use source material than create OC, which has been inconsistent in quality.

  12. JamesL
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I have a feeling we’re not going to be seeing Coldhands in the show :(

  13. Hollyoak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    I have to read the books again. I can’t remember any of the characters from the last two books.

  14. Turncloak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    ERHMAGODD! Geekasm

  15. Ser Lyonel the Laughing Storm
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    No Euron and no Victarion but fuck it lets introduce Leaf and Rivers really early

  16. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Totally loving this…and I believe many of us called it accurately. I believe her and Ian Whyte (as a treasured elk-rider) will be a satisfying duo in S4.

  17. Spidey-Dan
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Well, this will certainly be the season when we find out if the casual viewers will stay with the show. In my opinion, the CoF and Bloodraven go more deeply into fantasy territory than any other element of the story.

    The dragons are just animals with a magical element. The Warlocks and Melisandre practice magic, but still live and operate primarily in the human world. When it comes to child-like elves and people bonding with trees to live mostly in a world of visions and trances, that’s when you’re getting really far out there.

    Don’t get me wrong; I love Bran’s storyline in DwD. It’s one of my favorites. However, just like the dragons at the end of season 1, it’s another make or break moment for the series, kind of like when they revealed Time Traveling Island on Lost. I’d say that if the audience sticks around after the introduction of Bloodraven and the WeirWood Web, they’ll go the distance.

  18. Turncloak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Very happy they are moving Bran’s plot forward instead of having him tread through the woods for another season

  19. Turncloak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Spidey-Dan,

    My forgot to mention the White Walkers. The audience has accepted them too :p. Too bad Ben the White Walker was killed by Sam :(

  20. Lef
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:25 am | Permalink

    utherwolf,

    For the hundredth time, he’s playing a Thenn.

    Also, I bet Bran meeting the CoTF and the Three Eyed Raven will be the last scene of the season.

  21. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Very happy they are moving Bran’s plot forward instead of having him tread through the woods for another season

    I think he still will “tread through the woods” but he will have a few more companions, more insight and warging, and plenty of adventures (including a Craster’s diversion) before he arrives at the cave.

  22. The Dragon Demands
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Oh….shit….

  23. Ali
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    I have to wonder whether GRRM has told David & Dan roughly when TWoW is going to be released. Can’t imagine them rushing into Bran’s ADWD without knowing roughly when the next book is coming…

  24. Mursk
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Pretty exciting. Is it March yet?

    Considering some of the reactions online to stuff from previous seasons, the reveal of the CotF and Bloodraven is going to generate some more “wtf just happened on GoT?”

  25. Emperor Cronos
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    Ali – D&D have said that they’re not going to wait for the next book. The show is going to finish before the books. At this point it inevitable that the books are going to be passed and the only question is when. Honestly I think it’ll be in season 5, but there’s still a chance winds can get done in time, making it season 6. No chance that Dream is done before the final season (7th or 8th), if it even is the last book.

  26. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    So she’s not Strong Belwas?? They’re ruining the books!

  27. Ozymandias
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    Can”t wait for 4×10, shaping up to be the best episode of the show, people will not see that coming after the huge ninth episode.

  28. Jordan
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:53 am | Permalink

    Lef,

    I think that’s a definite possibility, but not sure that’s the way to go. If we want Bran to appear at all next season/give Martin even the slightest chance of finishing the next book before the show overtakes him (at least with that plotline), I think it should probably entail Bran getting visions throughout the season in which Bloodraven speaks to him (but is not shown- or if he is- is shown as a younger (non-tree) man. Then, Bran and co. would meet Leaf in the last episode who would lead them to Bloodraven’s cave

  29. Butterbumps
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    This speeding up of the show and GRRM’s continued snail’s pace writing are why I want a prequel season damnit! Give us Robert’s Rebellion and a young, badass Robert and Ned Stark.

  30. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    I don’t want a prequel season. Prequels always seem like a great idea, but it’s better to have those stories told in the voice of the current characters.

    Visions from Bran are one thing. Seeing Sean Bean again would be a kick – be it him bringing home a young Theon, or adjudicating battles between Sansa and Arya, or something. He’s too old to convincingly play himself when he brings home Jon Sneaaaaauu, I’d think, but suffused lighting and maybe it would come across.

    Or we can cast Hayden Christensen as the young Ned Stark, so the entire GoT fandom can collectively throw themselves off a bridge.

  31. Zack
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    This gives me hope that they’re going to do the next books right, meaning not dragging them out to stall. I’m excited for Bran this year, he should have quite a few scenes that new and old fans alike will remember for years.

  32. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Excited! Did not think they would push this deep into fantasy territory for the show. I take it her role or elements surrounding her being aCotF might be important then? Now I’m just waiting to see if the reason why Ghost followed Sam and the NW to Crasters is because tv Jon can Warg.

  33. Deekan
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    WOOOOO!!! Not just some random farm girl!!

  34. Harry Lime
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    I don’t want a prequel season. Prequels always seem like a great idea, but it’s better to have those stories told in the voice of the current characters.

    Visions from Bran are one thing. Seeing Sean Bean again would be a kick – be it him bringing home a young Theon, or adjudicating battles between Sansa and Arya, or something. He’s too old to convincingly play himself when he brings home Jon Sneaaaaauu, I’d think, but suffused lighting and maybe it would come across.

    Or we can cast Hayden Christensen as the young Ned Stark, so the entire GoT fandom can collectively throw themselves off a bridge.

    After GOT is over, I think it would be awesome if they did an anthology-style show that picks out specific stories from ASOIAF’s past. That way they can do short stories from Robert’s Rebellion and Dunk and Egg whenever they want without having to commit to an entire season of either, and they can draw from all sorts of other periods of history (like the Long Night, the Targaryan dynasty, etc.).

  35. Balerion
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Glad to finally see a Romanian actor on GoT!

  36. Matt
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    this is awesome!! can’t wait!!

  37. Butterbumps
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Harry Lime,

    Why wait for the show to end when they need GRRM to catch up?

  38. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:

    Or we can cast Hayden Christensen as the young Ned Stark, so the entire GoT fandom can collectively throw themselves off a bridge.

    With his coloring he’d be a better young Jaime. Justin Beiber is young Ned Stark it is known.

  39. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    I thought they might go with a really petite adult actors rather than an actual child for the COTF. Interesting. I also thought they might go with somebody who has brown skin since the COTF have brown skin. It seems easier to paint white spots on a brown person than it is to paint a white person brown. Maybe the COTF have white skin in the show?

  40. JP Dayne
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    oh I just hope the hacks don’t soil her characterization. I didn’t really like the giants.

    At first I thought she’d be Jeyne Westerling or her equivalent for the “northerner arc”, but I guess they won’t be adressing this season (if ever)

  41. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=607532172621567&l=2a16f046ae

    Still shooting it seems. I don’t know what this lion might be.

  42. dizzy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    That’s where I think they’re going. It works because Hempstead-Wright is looking older and older. This can buy them time in the show because I think by the time Bran re-emerges in the book story he may be changed in some way. Also it opens up a whole other avenue of the story for the show to explore.

  43. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    I don’t want a prequel season. Prequels always seem like a great idea, but it’s better to have those stories told in the voice of the current characters.

    Visions from Bran are one thing. Seeing Sean Bean again would be a kick – be it him bringing home a young Theon, or adjudicating battles between Sansa and Arya, or something. He’s too old to convincingly play himself when he brings home Jon Sneaaaaauu, I’d think, but suffused lighting and maybe it would come across.

    Or we can cast Hayden Christensen as the young Ned Stark, so the entire GoT fandom can collectively throw themselves off a bridge.

    No prequel “seasons”, please…but as you and others have speculated, a collection of short stories as part of an anthology, like D&E, ToJ, Robert’s Rebellion, would be cool. A Princess and the Queen (the original “dance of the dragons”) is coming in December as part of another collection. It should be cool as well. Personally, I would like to add a history or Euron/Victarion, the Doom, Benjen and Connigton’s story.

    Perhaps this stuff will be in the compendium that Elio & Linda (from Westeros) and GRRM are slowly producing. Depending on the overall success of GoT down the road, perhaps we will eventually see these things visualized on film.

  44. House Mormont
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    On the one hand speeding up Bran’s story is great because it stops him having two full seasons of wandering around
    But on the other hand that means he’ll have four seasons in a cave being a tree

    But yaaaaaaaaaaaas children of the forest!! This is where the show goes from “omg it’s not even a fantasy it’s politics and human stories in a fantasy world” to magical horns and magical races and people that merge with trees and krakens and faceless men and stone men and war mammoths

  45. Arthur
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Come on man…

    D&D can we please get some film stills of what the Red Viper looks like? It’s been so long and geez just some photos would be nice for us fans… =[

  46. Bran The Builder
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Seconded.

    Jordan:
    Lef,

    I think that’s a definite possibility, but not sure that’s the way to go.If we want Bran to appear at all next season/give Martin even the slightest chance of finishing the next book before the show overtakes him (at least with that plotline), I think it should probably entail Bran getting visions throughout the season in which Bloodraven speaks to him (but is not shown- or if he is- is shown as a younger (non-tree) man.Then, Bran and co. would meet Leaf in the last episode who would lead them to Bloodraven’s cave

  47. House Mormont
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    that would cause a bigger uproar than the Mysa scene…

    I hope they keep them brown, I always pictured their skin as being like the inside of a tree, rings and all, to match their chestnut eyes and leafy hair

  48. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne:
    At first I thought she’d be Jeyne Westerling or her equivalent for the “northerner arc”, but I guess they won’t be addressing this season (if ever)

    Jeyne Westerling? Don’t you mean Jeyne Poole?

  49. Lord Davos
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    JP Dayne,

    Those were the best giants i ever saw. But i don’t watch many movies with giants.

  50. azad injejikian
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Bran The Builder,

    I’m looking forward to this storyline coming to life. Stretching it over two season might be pushing it. If this storyline goes offscreen for a while, I think Id be fine with that. I wonder if we’ll get he’s weirwood visions at all. Maybe a Sean bean cameo?

  51. JamesL
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Even if Coldhands shows up in the show it is highly unlikely that he will be riding an Elk. The only way to do that would be to have him riding a CGI elk which would be really unnecessary when they could just give him a horse.

  52. CT Wahoo
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:09 pm | Permalink

    How are taking Bran’s three chapters from ADWD and spreading them out over two seasons of TV “speeding things up?” I do not understand why there are so many responses saying this.

    Bran’s three ADWD chapters are all of the GRRM materials left for him following the end of S3–I think we can all agree on that one. The arrival at the cave and meeting CoTF and Bloodraven as the midpoint of that extremely stretched-out two season arc makes lots of sense (at least to me).

    This isn’t a situation of the show speeding things up. They simply do not have that much canonical material regarding Bran to work with. To me, it looks like they are doing about the best job with what they have as can be reasonably expected.

    As I mentioned in my original post, Bran is the not the only major character that is going to run out of canonical material by the end of S5. Anyone that is not in the North or the Meereen plotlines will be right there with him (maybe they could squeeze some of the King’s Landing material beyond S5, but that would be a real stretch).

  53. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Even if Coldhands shows up in the show it is highly unlikely that he will be riding an Elk.The only way to do that would be to have him riding a CGI elk which would be really unnecessary when they could just give him a horse.

    CH could be riding Seabiscuit or a turtle. Regardless….if he materializes, I’ll be happy.

  54. Turri
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    I hope they use Bran’s visions as a flashback device to show us some of the past, starting with Season 5. If he’s the only one who dreams, he can have those too, right?

    Anyway, they definitely need TWOW for Season 6. Gives you about 15 months, George.

  55. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Pretty exciting. I hope they do the books “that haven’t even been written yet” justice. I hope the end reveal won’t be ruined by the show. I knew about all the events even before I read them and I enjoyed them all the same so we will just have to wait and see.

  56. Dtones520
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:43 pm | Permalink

    Bran looks like he will definitely be used as our link to past events to tell the story of Robert’s Rebellion, the Tourny at Harrenhal, the events at the Tower of Joy, Jon’s parentage, etc.

  57. Abyss
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,
    That kitty looks pissed! :D

  58. OldGods>LordofLight
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Lou Reed, Don’t tease me, bro!

    Seriously, that be amazing.

  59. Dtones520
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    not necessarily true. Season 5 can focus on Cersei’s fall into madness, her deteriorating relationship with Jaime, her at odds with the Tyrells and Margaery, and end with her being imprisoned or Jaime getting her letter and not caring. Then season 6 focuses on her imprisonment, the failed relationship with Kevan, her walk of shame and then end with Kevans death. Jaime will be out in the Riverlands, we will get to see his interactions with the Blackfish and Edmure and his trip to Raventree Hall. His season 6 story ends the same way aDWD ends.

    I also think season 5 and 6 will spend a lot of time focusing on the Martells, the Greyjoys and Brans visions giving us a lot of backstory leading into season 7 where they start telling the meat of tWoW

  60. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Her resume says she’s in an Alex Graves episode of which there will be four. We can dismiss eps. 2 and 3 because the Craster’s Keep business happens in ep. 4 according to the leaked callsheet and also Luke Barnes cv and the lady playing “Morag Craster’s” CV. This means that the Child of the Forest is either in ep. eight or ep. ten or in both.

    Sequentially Leaf is seen before Bloodraven in aDwD and so if Leaf is seen at ep. eight at the earliest and ep. nine is all at the Wall, then why doesn’t Struan Rodgers’ CV only say Alex Graves? This means that Bloodraven likely appears in person in a dream in an earlier episode.

  61. Stephen Richter
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Brab, Leaf & Bloodraven will be used middle of the season, not last episode because they have to pay the actors for the whole season. No Victarian or euron but wait for season 5 for the greyjoy arc. I expect HBO to skip large sections of plotlines. If victarion or euron do not survive Winds of Winter, will they every be introduced into the HBO series because of the production costs.

  62. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo: As I mentioned in my original post, Bran is the not the only major character that is going to run out of canonical material by the end of S5. Anyone that is not in the North or the Meereen plotlines will be right there with him (maybe they could squeeze some of the King’s Landing material beyond S5, but that would be a real stretch).

    I think (well, I posted on this a couple weeks ag0) that most of ADwD is going to be done by end Season 5. The Meereen stuff won’t be, agreed, and the entire Stannis/Theon stuff won’t be, and maybe some of Tyrion’s arc.

  63. That Stark boy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    I hope she’s reading this. Her casting for me is resumed in this:

    http://www.ideafixa.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/pAYpuH6.gif

  64. That Stark boy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    She’s so cute. She looks like a boarding school children’s movie villain.

  65. That Stark boy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: With his coloring he’d be a better young Jaime.Justin Beiber is young Ned Stark it is known.

    Yew.

  66. CT Wahoo
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Dtones520,

    In my humble opinion, stretching everyone’s story out to the end of S6 using only AFFC/ADWD material would go over like a lead balloon. They would have to either include a lot of superflous material from the books and make the show slower and fairly boring or they create a bunch of new filler material that routinely gets panned by book fans because it’s not in the books. I think I speak for the majority that does not want to see Dany in Meereen in seasons 4, 5, 6 AND 7. The best case scenario is that the majority of the Feast/Dance story is told by the end of S5.

    They’ll complete the outlines for S5 in about 3 months (so they can start working on scripting it while S4 airs). Best thing would be that GRRM tells Dan & Dave that publication of TWOW is in sight (less than 12 months) and they can pen S5 the way they (I think) want to. Otherwise, they pen S5 the way they want knowing that S6 may need to happen without TWOW or they pen S5 under the assumption that they need to stretch the existing books through the end of S6. Either of those last two could be a serious threat to the show as we now know it.

  67. CT Wahoo
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Yep. I read your post. Great stuff and I see it largely the same way you do.

  68. That Stark boy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Seriously guys. D&D know how the entire series will unfold. I think they know what they’re doing. The books chronology is not that chronological. Bran’s arc is very slow, so I’m not surprised they would make it this way. I trust them. GoT is one of the best adapted works I have watched so I thank them.

  69. Turncloak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    The children of the forest kind of look like White Walkers in the GOT blu ray art.
    http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/d/de/Children_of_the_Forest.jpg

  70. Bruce Terrill
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    It was pretty much inevitable that we would end up in ADWD territory this season but, man, Bran’s storyline is really moving quickly. Here’s hoping to see the “Winds of Winter” some time next year. When you wish upon a star….

  71. Bethany
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if we’ll be getting a Child of the Forrest (specifically Octavia) as a substitute character for Coldhands? It makes sense that Team Bran needs a guide of some sort, and if it’s a CotF we could have some exposition about her people while the group is hiking and doing trailside things. We could also get a pretty dramatic “CotF wargs a raven and uses a flock of them to drive off wolves” scene. And then no one gets side-tracked wondering who Coldhands really is.

  72. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo: I think I speak for the majority that does not want to see Dany in Meereen in seasons 4, 5, 6 AND 7. The best case scenario is that the majority of the Feast/Dance story is told by the end of S5.

    Yep. To me Danys taking off on Drogon is Season 5/Ep 10.

  73. Kate
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Interesting! I am curious/excited to see how they get a child actor to portray the age and wisdom of a Child of the Forest. They’ve done such a fantastic job finding children actors with great depths of maturity, and I’m sure Octavia will do just the same!

  74. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:55 pm | Permalink
  75. Roopert
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    So she’s not Strong Belwas?? They’re ruining the books!

    This made my day :-) (granted, Im home sick so it didn’t start so great, but still …)

  76. WildSeed
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    She’s really cute, and likely talented ( not familiar with her previous work ).
    I’m relieved that she may be covered up, though. By her appearance, she reminds me
    nothing of the CotF, except her height…. maybe.

    Wait…. she wasn’t cast in that “Wizard of Oz” remake, with James
    Franco , was she ?

  77. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Lef,

    Nah. Stoneheart will be the last scene. If it’s handled in any other way, it’s not the right way.

  78. WildSeed
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Kate:
    Interesting!I am curious/excited to see how they get a child actor to portray the age and wisdom of a Child of the Forest. They’ve done such a fantastic job finding children actors with great depths of maturity, and I’m sure Octavia will do just the same!

    This sentiment, I’m keeping in perspective. I must admit, I’m intrigued by her body language / stare. It’s as if one look is referencing a ” talk to the hand “, meaning ( :

    I wonder if more CotF will be cast.

  79. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    That’s a dismantled piece from the wedding set.

  80. VARGOAT
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Pretty much all i write about is spoilery:
    I believe, that with bran meeting bloodraven this earley we can hope for time-trevelling action in season 5-6. It would be a great oportunity to give the non readers a better view on past events. They can show us many many things the didn´t include in the series . Maybe we will even be able to see a bit of Rhaegar or Lyanna or even events that happened before that since bloodraven was a contemporary of a certain gigantic knight?? I´m sooo excited right now!!! This is a very very promising turn of events!!!!!

  81. kevin
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Lef,

    Probably much sooner than that, because they aren’t going to introduce a character for one episode in a season, especially when there are so many characters on the show. I think we can expect that season 4 will be about finding the 3-eyed-raven. I think that we can asume that Bran meets Leaf around episode 4/5 Instead of Coldhands. And at the end of episode 8 we will meet the 3-eyed-raven. And episode 10 will have a short scene who the children of the forest are.

    Ali,

    They probably aren’t needed any TWOW chapters for season 5. Season 4 is finding the 3-eyed raven. Season 5 he will have almost no screentime. And probably episode 9 will be a Flashback episode in that season.

    Emperor Cronos,

    Still George and D&D are positive that George will finish before the show. We know that George already finished half of WoW (thanks to Liam C), we can asume that end 2014 begin 2015 WoW will be released. We need to take in mind that when he released a book, he already finish 200/300 pages of manuscript for the next book. And the last book is always faster to write than the one before (less things to worry about putting in the books most things are already on paper so more overview what needs to happen)

    So we can asume that DoS will be finished in 2017. That’s between season 7 and 8. We can asume that half way tru season 6 DWD and FfC have been finished for the show. Season 7 will finish WoW and season 8 and maybe a small season 9 will finish DoS. Just wait till season 4 comes out and wait till WoW have been released. Than we can asume if the show is going to overthrow the books.

    CT Wahoo,

    They aren’t maybe speeding things up if you look at the books, but it’s a fact that Bran is going to be seen more in season 4 than in season 3. We have the capture at Crasters Keep. meeting of Leave (maybe coldhands), going to the caves, attack by White walkers. Meeting 3-eyed raven.

    Stephen Richter,

    That’s why I think they will be in episode 8 and 10. Make sense if you look at the story. Season 4 is about finding the 3-eyed raven at the end of episode 8. And episode 10 he can explain who they are and what he wants with Bran.

    CT Wahoo,
    Ever read Jon story for aDwD? Or even Stannis story if we wanted to be more clear? Or Tyrion’s story? Probably not because then you know those story’s need to end mid-way through season 6 and let season 6 end with the battle at Mereen and the battle at winterfell. for some reason I think those two will be seen in the same episode(s), both beginning episode 6×08 and finishing in episode 6×09. You need to stop thinking about many things need to happen in the season, because what season 3 compare to season 2 let us see, less is more. Instead of rushing through the events, let every event play out as long as they can. And you must look at the books per season. How many time does every character need/get? What will his or her arc be. How are we going to fill that out over multiple episodes and let the total amount of screentime be around 500 minutes. Start filling that for 15 storylines that are going to be started in season 5. DwD and FfC is around 800 minutes of screentime not 500.

    Season 4:
    Jon’s lord commander. Death of Ygritte.
    Arya is going to Braavos.
    Sansa just witnessed her aunt get killed.
    Bran meets 3-eyed-raven.
    Davos difficult, we don’t know if he will be at the wall in season 4 or already on his way to white harbor. Something tells me that he will send to White harbor in the final so he can arive at white harbor beginning next season.
    Theon. Difficult to fill in, something tells me ariving at Deepwood Motte or Winterfell.
    Tyrion leaving KL
    Cercei/Jaime: finding their father death.
    Brienne: Somewhere on the road with Pod. The question is, will she be send away in the beginning of the season, or after Tyrion loses his trial, and that Jaime wants to save Pod’s life?
    Danny: Who is her family. Capture Mereen. Locking up dragons.

    Season 5
    Jon/ Stannis/: Stannis probably Stannis got his army in the north, the beginning of the season the two are together. Around episode 5 Stannis leaves. Sending Mance to Winterfel.
    Sam: Probably ends with him being in Braavos.
    Sansa: She will finish her whole FfC chapters.
    Arya: ffC chapters.
    Bran: DwD chapters.
    Davos: he will meet with Manderly (more with Theon), and probably one TwoW chapter at the end of the season.
    Theon/ Manderly: Probably end with him escaping.
    Cercei: Her downfall/ capture.
    Brienne: Meeting LS
    Jaime: Refusing to help cercei.
    Tyrion: This season is the young griff/ Tyrion season for him. Probably end with him leaving him. Eagon going to Westeros in episode 10 (wonderful cliffhanger, revenge for the audience)
    Danny: She needs to marry. The whole Harpy plot. Killings etc.

    Season 6 still over:
    Jon/ Stannis: Jon getting Stabbed. Yara chapters with Stannis. Twow: preparing the battle of Winterfel and the battle itself.
    Sam: Oldtown so we going into his TwoW chapters but that’s with all POV’s.
    Arya: DwD chapter (blind girl)
    Theon: meeting stannis. Manderly battle at Winterfell.
    Cercei/Jaime/Brienne: DwD chapters.
    Tyrion: Slavers going to Mereen. Battle of Mereen.
    Danny: Dragon pit probably episode 2, rest TwoW.

    What missing here?
    Iron Islanders: Kingsmoot season 5, season 6 is battle Mereen for Victorion.
    Dorne: Season 5 is aFfC. Season 6 is DwD.
    Qyentyn: Don’t know how they are going to fill him in, probably season 5 ends with him Meeting Danny. Season 6 his death.

    I probably forget some things, but I wanted to show that telling the story of aFfC and DwD can’t be told in one season. They need to stretched it just like a SoS and fill things in like the capture of Bran at Crasters Keep, to keep things interesting.

  82. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    But that was filmed in Dubrovnik in September. This is from Belfast recently.

  83. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    Episodes four and five are directed by Michelle MacLaren. Octavia’s CV credits only Alex Graves. That leads me to believe we’ll meet her in ep. eight or ten because two or three seem extremely unlikely. If it is ep. eight that we meet her, maybe we can expect a great wight fight setpiece along with the Mountain/Viper duel!

  84. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    As I said, a dismantled set piece. It makes sense that they will stuff it into some sort of prop storage facility when they’re done with it, no?

    EDIT: After a quick check, it’s definitely not the same prop we’ve seen before. It might be something for an internal King’s Landing scene during the wedding, I can’t think of anything else though.

  85. zerowolf
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    The introduction of characters from ADwD tell me that this series will end after six seasons. It is obvious that Benioff and Weiss weren’t as turned on by the last two books as they were by the first three. Let’s be honest – the material is weaker. GRRM is writing a fictitious historical narrative – by definition something that cannot really ‘end’. The writers and HBO are attempting to tell a story with a beginning leading to a definite conclusion – something entirely different. Hopefully the ending will be more Breaking Bad than Lost. Frank Doelger ( producer ) is already on record as saying that he expects the series to run only six seasons and Benioff and Weiss spent time with GRRM this year to see if their perceived ending clashed with his. They are going their own way from here on in using the books as some of the source material – nothing more. This doesn’t mean that it will disappoint – I can’t wait to see what they come up with.

  86. Skipjack
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Meh. They haven’t set up the Children enough. Just so long as they make sure no one thinks they are elves.

    I know everyone here is pretty much a superfan of the books, but the magical stuff is underplayed on the show to the point of being underbaked. They need to do a lot more to establish Bran’s vision-quest, he hasn’t been the driver for any of that.

  87. Skipjack
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:08 pm | Permalink

    zerowolf,

    That math doesn’t add up. Season 4 is the rest of ASOS and some of ADWD/AFFC apparently. You really think that Season 5 and 6 will contain the rest of AFFC/ADWD and also all of TWOW and ADOS? Not going to happen like that. AFFC/ADWD could be Season 5 and 6 by themselves, much less two more mammoth books into the bargain.

  88. King DBC
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    This news makes me very excited. I wonder how they’ll look! Big golden eyes like the Na’vi in Avatar, but with dappled brown fur covered faces, I’m looking forward to it!

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Yes, yes!

  89. Sean C.
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    zerowolf:
    The introduction of characters from ADwD tell me that this series will end after six seasons.

    That’s a huge, unsupportable leap. They’re advancing Bran’s story because they have no choice. Everybody else is on track for the end of book 3 with a bit of their subsequent material, if at all. D & D have been very clear that they envision 8 seasons, and they said that with books 4 and 5 in hand.

  90. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    If GoT ends in 6 seasons it won’t be for creative reasons. It will be because HBO doesn’t want to spend the money or a bunch of actors don’t want to renew their contracts or demand too much money. There is no lack of material.

  91. tysnow
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    When I saw that prop, it reminded me of the gigantic Chinese cannon from the film “55 Day in Peking”, medieval artillery were sometimes obscenely large and often their mouths were decorated with garish relief. Might this be Pyromancer Hallyne’s latest creation to defend KL from future assaults. Imagine Wildfire pouring from that mouth at invaders, it would be a hellish scene.

  92. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:27 pm | Permalink
  93. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    And Charles Dance plays Duncan!

  94. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Well, we wouldn’t see it in action until Cersei burns the tower of the hand if at all, so it doesn’t make much sense to introduce something like this so early. One thing’s for sure- that is one hell of a bizarre design choice. Hopefully they made it purposely ridiculous.

  95. the Flying Duchess
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Great.

    Sooooo what about the Iron Islands?

    Balon Greyjoy dies in ASOS. Are we truly going to put that off until season five? Unless he just falls and that’s that. But come on, Euron Greyjoy has to arrive while Balon’s body is still warm to rouse suspicion. I also find Bran’s story line really interesting, but the events in the Iron Islands are important too. Please don’t try and tell me they’re going to introduce things from ADWD, but postpone this to the fifth season.

    Just NO.

    WHERE ARE MY KRAKENS?

  96. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    https://twitter.com/Kerry_Ingram

    BTW it seems there’ll be more Shireen this season than the last as she says:

    “KeZ ‏@Kerry_Ingram 3h
    @MissLozboz101 this season I have been filming since July x”

  97. JCarroll
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I know, seriously.

  98. Arthur
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    JCarroll,

    I know I’m greedy and D&D have more things to worry about then fan service but come on…

    Vikings season 2 filmed for under a month and they managed to have a comic-con teaser involving a small battle…

    I mean it can’t be that time consuming to throw together 2mins of some small unspoilery scene that would get all of our hearts pumping…

    I was so looking forward to a teaser right before Boardwalk Empire’s finale but it doesn’t look like we will even get that.

    I am sooooo in need of some kind of season 4 footage I feel like a crackhead yearning for his fix…

  99. Greenjones
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Also on her page, a vine featuring Brenock O’ Connor. Do you think they had a scene together? His CV credits him as “boy in hamlet”. Do you think that Stannis and co. might make a stop whilst sailing and Shireen befriends a kid? I dunno.

  100. kevin
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 6:19 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Hopefully episode 8, than we have more chance that CH is in the show and saves them from the NW.

  101. Eleanor
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Hurrah! I hoped she would be Leaf.

  102. griffinsroost
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    so excited that we are going to get more DWD material. I recently reread both feast and dance and they are so much better the second time around.

  103. Eleanor
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    utherwolf:
    I knew she would be a Leaf. Now I really want to find out which character will be playing Joseph Gatt.

    In Soviet Russia, characters play you

  104. Atreyu
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    “We know that George already finished half of WoW (thanks to Liam C) …”

    No. We don’t.

    “… we can asume that end 2014 begin 2015 WoW will be released. We need to take in mind that when he released a book, he already finish 200/300 pages of manuscript for the next book. And the last book is always faster to write than the one before (less things to worry about putting in the books most things are already on paper so more overview what needs to happen).

    So we can asume that DoS will be finished in 2017.”

    Hahahahahaha. You stink of summer.

  105. Rygar
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    I read Dance twice and I still had to look up who the fuck Leaf was. Love that Bran storyline….

  106. Turncloak
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Atreyu,

    A couple of months ago I extrapolated GRRMs writing pace for TWOW. I expect TWOW to be released early in 2015 before game of thrones season 5. However, I expect the show to pass the book in 2017 for season 7.

  107. Chickenduck
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    Yay! I guessed right.

  108. Dtones520
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:34 pm | Permalink

    CT Wahoo,

    I don’t think you are realizing how many story lines have to be covered in 10 episodes if season 5 covers all of AFFC and ADWD

    We have:
    Arya in Braavos
    Sansa in the Vale
    Bran giving the series much needed backstory and history lessons
    Jon and his rise and fall as LC
    Stannis at the Wall with Jon
    Stannis conquering the North
    Theon and the Boltons and his journey to and from Winterfell
    Tyrion and his Journey to Mereen
    Dany’s Mereneese knot
    Cersei and her fall into madness after Joff and Tywins deaths
    Jaime and his fallout with Cersei and his time in the Riverlands
    Brienne in the Riverlands
    Lady Stoneheart and the Brotherhood/Gendry
    The Tyrells will get some screen time
    Sam going to Braavos
    The Kingsmoot and it’s fallout which includes…
    The Damphairs story
    Victorian and his Journey to Mereen
    Eurons screen time
    Yara and her getting captured by Stannis and meeting back with Theon
    The Martells and their potential story lines, which include
    Arienne, for sure
    Quentyn, for sure
    Arys Oakheart, briefly
    Areo Hotah, unlikely
    Building Dorans screen time and establishing him as a major player
    The Sand Snakes
    Jon Connington and Aegon after they lose Tyrion and meet up with the Golden Company and arrive in Westeros
    And finally I’m going to assume that Rickon and Osha will not disappear for seasons 4, 5, and 6 only to appear 4 years older in season 7.

    On too of all of those story lines that need to be told we also have the show runners added scenes and whatnot and you have a lot to squeeze into 10 episodes.

  109. LordNoga1981
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:08 pm | Permalink

    Lou Reed,

    Wow thats a great idea. Heard some speculation on that and i think its a must. Especially since george still hasnt given us a release date on this next book. Im thinkin end of 2014, because that gives him a few yrs to write the last one and not have the show get caught up.

  110. Rygar
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:11 am | Permalink

    Sorry but this chick looks a little bitchy

  111. GG
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    So does this mean Bran will be taking a year off soon or something? I mean, how can they proceed this far into his story when everyone else is so far behind? Either he’s taking a year off or a sh*tload of filler is coming

  112. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    You’re not sorry.

  113. Winter Rose
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:43 am | Permalink

    What if Joseph Gaff is Coldhands? I can’t wait for season 4.

  114. Dragon Tender
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:54 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: Or we can cast Hayden Christensen as the young Ned Stark, so the entire GoT fandom can collectively throw themselves off a bridge.

    To quote some of his better dialog:

    Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo………

  115. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    zerowolf:
    The introduction of characters from ADwD tell me that this series will end after six seasons. It is obvious that Benioff and Weiss weren’t as turned on by the last two books as they were by the first three. Let’s be honest – the material is weaker.GRRMis writing a fictitious historical narrative – by definition something that cannot really ‘end’. The writers and HBO are attempting to tell a story with a beginningleading to adefinite conclusion – something entirely different. Hopefully the ending will be more Breaking Bad than Lost. Frank Doelger ( producer ) is already on record as saying that he expects the series to run only six seasons and Benioff and Weiss spent time with GRRM this year to see if their perceived ending clashed with his. They are going their own way from here on in using the books as some of the source material – nothing more. This doesn’t mean that it will disappoint – I can’t wait to see what they come up with.

    This is… Well, it’s incorrect (and also more than a bit presumptuous).

    Frank Doelger is on record as saying…

    “I would hope that, if we all survive, and if the audience stays with us we’ll probably get through to seven seasons,” Doelger announced.

    D & D had this to say…

    “We have the opportunity here to tell a coherent story that lasts for 80 hours. And while a canvas of that size presents all sorts of storytelling problems, it also allows us to spend more time with these characters we love than we’ll ever get again.”

    And Michael Lombardo – HBO’s head programming executive – had this to say, at the 2013 Television Critics Assoc. summer press tour:

    “It can go on as long as there are stories to tell,” network president Michael Lombardo said of Thrones‘ future.

    He likely said that because Game of Thrones became HBO’s second highest-rated show ever during the third season.

    http://winteriscoming.net/2013/06/game-of-thrones-is-hbos-biggest-hit-since-the-sopranos/

    A more likely scenario (though entirely hypothetical on my part):

    Season 4 (2014): The remainder of A Storm of Swords, with elements of A Feast for Crows & A Dance with Dragons for the characters whose remaining material is scant. Tyrion, Arya, Dany, and Jon Snow will all likely end the season in roughly the same way as the books. I’d also expect to see Lady Stoneheart as the final scene (or maybe just one of the final scenes).

    Season 5 (2015): I don’t think there is any dramatically satisfying way to split AFfC & ADwD into two seasons. I’m not talking about adapting them separately, as they will absolutely be combined. I just don’t see how they create satisfying character arcs and maintain plot momentum if these books are adapted in two seasons. So I’ll hold to the idea that both books will be (mostly) wrapped up by the end of this season. Ten episodes may be cutting it close (though it could be done), but that will depend on how much of those books we see in season four. I also happen to think that this season will get at least one additional episode, and that it will be moved to HBO’s summer slot (taking over for True Blood, which ends next year), where it would face considerably less competition. That could allow for an additional 2-3 months of production time, which in turn could allow for anywhere from 1 to 3 extra episodes, considering that each episode takes ~18 days to film.

    Of course, HBO would have to allow for each additional episode to be budgeted, but from a business perspective it would make sense. They have a vested interest in making sure that this show gets a definitive ending, and D & D don’t seem interested in veering so wildly off course that the show and the books are indistinguishable. So they get two books (which could potentially be two seasons) done in 11 or 13 episodes, and the fans are happy despite the delay. This also allows for the production to be pushed back further into the winter months, which is important since, you know, ‘winter is coming’.

    My guess is that the season ends with the battle of Meereen, and the ‘murder’ of Jon Snow. And yes, that means that we’ll even be seeing some of The Winds of Winter, which makes sense, considering that’s how the book should have ended in the first place. Regardless, having Tyrion, Victarion (who I do believe will be included next season, along with Euron), Jorah, Barristan, and possibly Dany all converging in that location would be a great way to end what will have been a very disparate season. Also, they’ll get another awesome battle scene. The ‘death’ of Jon Snow will also work as a great cliffhanger, I think, as there has been a lot of great discussion about what’s going to happen with him on-line. I don’t think many readers believe he’s actually dead, and I doubt many viewers will either, but it’s the kind of ending that will generate a lot of discussion among fans, which is a good thing to leave a season on.

    Season 6 (2016): I’m just going to assume that we can expect another barn-burner out of The Winds of Winter, and that it will be (approximately) split into two seasons. Some leftover elements from AFfC & ADwD may end up in the early parts of this season, as well. This season returns the show to the ten episode production cycle.

    Season 7 (2017): The remainder of TWoW, and possibly some very early elements from A Dream of Spring (nothing more than a sign of things to come, I’d say).

    Season 8 (2018 or 2019): If the show is ever going to be delayed, it would have to be for the last season. HBO would no longer have to worry about maintaining their production cycle, nor would they have to worry about re-negotiating the contracts for any of the cast and crew. I could see the final seasons being delayed to coincide with the release of the final book, but only if it was being released within those two years cited above (the latter half of 2019 would seriously be pushing it). Any longer, and it simply wouldn’t make sense for HBO to postpone airing the final season. This would make for great cooperative marketing, and would ensure that fans across both mediums could be happy. From a production standpoint, it gives the network and the writers the leeway to create another extended season, as well, which may be necessary to give the story the ending it deserves.

  116. Giantsbabe
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 5:03 am | Permalink

    ^ as above ^

  117. Skyofwelkup
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 5:47 am | Permalink

    I’m slightly disappointed. It’s my understanding that the Children of the Forest have the proportions of adult humans, they are just significantly smaller. With that in mind I was hoping they would not go the route of child or dwarf actors, and instead rely on special effects or camera perspective tricks.

  118. Jentario
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:30 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    I would enjoy this, though I believe books 4&5 should occupy 1.5 seasons (as I’m not so sure they’ll extend the season, and I’m not sure the source material will be ready in time to write season 5). Other than that I agree 100%.

  119. Jentario
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:36 am | Permalink

    Winter Rose,

    Joseph Gatt is a Thenn but not Styr (according to WiC’s twitter). Ian Whyte could be Coldhands, though.

  120. kevin
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Atreyu,

    No, I’m a realist. I know there’s a chance that the show will overthrow the books, there is a chance that doesn’t. The only different is, that I’m going to wait when WoW is out till I’m going to complain. I have a lot of things to do in my life, if it goes on GoT world I’m waiting on season 4 because I know that that will come before WoW, so why put my energie in “when does WoW come out wow the show is going to overtake the show”. I personally hate all those negative/ pessimist messages about george’s writing. Because of may reasons:
    - Most of them didn’t even take the time to think about why fFc and DwD took so long and what that means for WoW and DoS.
    - Let the man be. Be happy that George made us that story. Everyone that compains about his writing speed can’t even make a book or can’t make a book that comes half as close to the quality of aSoIaF. Why complain about something that you can’t do yourself or even have the slightest idea how a creative writing works? What I see is that the once having George’s back are the once that have some clue how it is to write. The once that complain I find personally only complainers without any writing knowledge.
    - Even when I loved the books, it are my favorite and I have read them a lot of times and how much I loved the show as one of my favorite shows of all time. I don’t complain about that I have to wait a bit longer for the next book, do you know why? There are so much more important things to complain about it life. So stop complaining about George, let him write his story in his terms in his time and let him make it a amazing book instead of rushing it and let us have toilet paper instead.

    So I have George’s his back. Even if the show overthrows him, which I still think we can’t say for sure. The show is the show the books are the books. And thank you George for those wonderful books you already released for us.

    ps. If you read this George. Even if you finish WoW in 2014. Just released it a day before the first episode that contains any WoW stuff. Same with DoS. Wouldn’t that be fun?

  121. kevin
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Probably but still I think that George already wrote the season 7 stuff for his books, so that still we are going to see things from the source, only thing is, we haven’t read the source. But still we can’t know for sure. There’s a chance that George delay his work and that WoW come out in 2016 and it can be that he have a speed-rush in writing and that it will be in end 2014. He already said that sometimes he could just write 2 pages a day and some days he wrote 20 pages. It all depends on the character which he is writing and in what kind of mood you are etc.

    GG,

    Simple, season 5 will be about him living with the Children of the forest and will cover the rest of DwD stuff from him and probably the first chapter of WoW for him. And don’t forget that the lessons that Jojen learnt Bran in the books haven’t been show on books. So probably 3ER is going to learn him that in season 5. There’s some small lessons but not the real lessons like in the books.

  122. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 8:02 am | Permalink

    This isn’t particularly unexpected, but it is nice for confirmation :P. Anyway, allow me to weigh in (yet again) on the discussion on how they might adapt AFfC/ADwD

    Khal-A-Bunga,
    I disagree with the cutoff points for season 5. If you look at all the stuff they have to cover there is simply no one to show it all in one season while maintaining the integrity of the story. As for there being no nice point to split those books, I would say that ending at the same place as AFfC would provide a satisfactory cutoff point. AFfC, despite not being action packed, had clear conclusions for its story arcs, and they would provide the conclusions in that season. The ADwD storylines would then provide the setup/cliffhangers heading into the next season. Here is where I would cut off the storylines:

    Bran – ? I have a feeling that his season 5 arc will consist of a mix of invented material, the exposition that we have missed out on so far, and some very early TWoW stuff.
    Night’s Watch – Stannis leaves the Wall, Janos beheading. It looks likely that the election will be held back to season 5, and that they will expand upon the scheming, so if they do the beheading would make a good conclusion to that story arc. Also, the Stannis-Jon interactions were some of the best in the series, do you really want that cut short? :P. The only way that I could see them getting through the material quick enough to have Stannis vs the Boltons and Jon’s assassination in season 5 is if Stannis captures YarAsha in season 4, which in my opinion would be a great mistake because of the way it would affect the Ironborn storyline going forward.
    The North – Theon and co arrive at Winterfell. The Davos-Wyman-Skagos reveal. We could also see Rickon in a scene or two in the first half of the season.
    The Ironborn – Euron sending Victarion to retrieve Daenerys. YarAsha has fled back to Deepwood Motte.
    Braavos – Sam leaving, Arya returning to the house of Black and White after killing the Watchman. Assuming that the LC election is held back to season 5, there is no way that Sam could get to Oldtown by the end of the season as he wouldn’t be sent off until early-mid season. Arya’s arc would be her early training and learning the basics, and this would mark the conclusion of that, with season 6 being her actual assassin training.
    Vale – the descent from the Eyrie, maybe Petyr’s drunken speech (it could work in a premiere just as well as in a finale). It seems likely that the Lords Declarant storyline will be expanded on in the show.
    Brienne – hanged by Catelyn. It could be an episode 9 moment.
    Jaime – the escape of the Blackfish from Riverrun.
    Cersei – her in prison, her arrest being in episode 9. This would make a nice conclusion to her arc, that being her being absolutely insane :P.
    Dorne – “Vengeance. Justice. Fire and Blood.”
    Quentyn – arriving in the siege camps outside Meereen. If this is immediately after Doran’s speech it could be rather epic.
    Tyrion – boarding the ship in Volantis with Jorah. This would likely be an understated scene that becomes a huge cliffhanger building anticipation for season 6 as viewers will think that Tyrion and Daenerys are going to met soon.
    Aegon – The Golden Company swearing him support and saying that they will take him to Westeros. Assuming they will want to avoid repetition with Catelyn hanging people as the final scene of two seasons in a row, this could work well as the final scene of the season. Would it be the strongest final scene of a season? No. Would it be stronger than the final scene of season 3? Most definitely :P. It could actually be rather epic depending on how they choose to build up Aegon over the course of the season, he could be the breakout new character.
    Daenerys – agreeing to marry Hizdahr. I don’t believe we will get any of her ADwD material in season 4. As for season 5 I think the focus will be on her trying to stabilise her rule within the city with a focus on the shadow war and losing control of the dragons in the first half, and the impending Yunkish siege in the second half (I don’t think she will be in every episode in the second half of the season). After Hizdahr fulfils his promise and stops the deaths for a time it will seem as though Daenerys has finally stabilised her city, concluding that arc. At the same time, we will get the beginning of the Yunkish siege as a cliffhanger for the next season.

    As for TWoW: It is almost a given that the first section of TWoW will happen, chronologically, at the same time as ADwD. It isn’t going to be a situation where everyone is in ADwD in one episode and then TWoW the next; there will be some character that will be in TWoW right from the start of season 6 and others that won’t enter it until season 7. As for the book itself, I think it likely that, given the trend in GRRM’s writing style, just because it is as long as ASoS it doesn’t mean that it will be as action packed. It could easily be just like ADwD, which I’m sure no-one thinks is worth of more than one season to itself, let alone two. My prediction is that TWoW will require around 1.5 seasons to cover. The first section (that should have finished ADwD) + a bit extra will occupy about half of the screen time in season 6, while the rest is covered over season 7 (which I think will end at the same place as TWoW unless GRRM pulls another ADwD and gives us a non-ending. I think it will also mark the return of a clear cutoff between books). So, the storylines in season 6 wouldn’t enter TWoW until roughly these points:
    In TWoW right from the start of season 6 – Brienne, Aeron, Sansa (possibly aside from Petyr’s drunken speech, Davos, Bran (aside from him warging into the weirwood and speaking to Theon).
    Starts TWoW episode 3 – Jaime, Dorne
    Starts TWoW episode 5 – Aegon, Cersei (I think that Varys’ return will be the episode 4 cliffhanger)
    Starts TWoW episode 7 – Arya, Samwell, Daenerys (my theory is that her final ADwD chapter and first few TWoW chapters happen chronologically at the same time as Barristan’s ADwD chapters, and that she will return at the end of the battle of Meereen).
    Starts TWoW episode 8 – YarAsha, Theon, Stannis (with Stannis vs the Boltons being episode 9, possibly along with Barristan arresting Hizdahr and Quentyn unleashing the dragons.
    Stays in ADwD all season – Night’s Watch (with Jon’s assassination closing out the season), Meereen (with the battle being in episode 2 of season 7

    For ADoS: my theory for ADoS is that the book kind of has two unofficial halves: the first half is the Dance of the Dragons and the final wars in the south while the north gets decimated by the Others. The second half of the book would then be the final battle against the Others and the conclusion of the series. If my theory is correct ADoS would be a relatively fast paced book, so it could theoretically be fit into a single epic final season. But at the same time, I can foresee the book have a natural point that could allow it to be split into two seasons (8 and 9) if the show runners need it.

    After season 7, the season 1 actors would have to sign new contracts making season 8 more expensive (the contracts are 6 seasons with an optional 7th). However (and correct me if I’m wrong here, because I don’t actually know, by the time the finish filming season 7, even if the book isn’t out yet, D&D should have an idea of whether they would need 1 or 2 more seasons to cover ADoS and close out the series. So theoretically couldn’t they resign the season 1 actors to new 2-season contracts, making season 9 only marginally more expensive than 8 because of the season 2 actors? I believe the usual, after the original 7-year contract is up, is for the actors to sign new deals on a year by year basis, but it is theoretically possible, isn’t it? Also, I would expect that a lot of major characters would die in seasons 7 and 8 (and maybe in the TWoW stuff for 6), so it is even possible the that the cast budget could shrink between season 8 and the hypothetical season 9.

    The common misconception that a lot of people seem to have here (and to a lesser extent westeros.org) is that a season without as many action/fighting sequences is a weaker season. The problem is that they forget that season 1 had almost no major action sequences, yet it is still often considered the best season of the show. The show has already proved that people are willing to watch a very political based drama in a fantasy setting, and I would argue that season 5 will still be better than season 2 :P.

    And just for the record, I do not believe that GRRM will need 8 books, and even if he does, I think books 7 and 8 would be AFfC sized, totalling ~2000 manuscript pages, not two more mammoth ADwD sized books totalling ~3000 manuscript pages. Also, in a situation where he would need 8 books it would have to be a chronological split and not a geographical split, so he wouldn’t need to do massive rewrite, so the 8th book would not come out very long after the 7th.

    My prediction overall:
    S1 – AGoT
    S2 – ACoK
    S3 – ASoS part 1
    S4 – ASoS part 2 (with AFfC/ADwD parts for Brienne and Bran only)
    S5 – AFfC + ADwD part 1
    S6 – ADwD part 2 + TWoW part 1
    S7 – TWoW part 2
    s8 – ADoS
    s9 – possibly ADoS part 2, and definitely book 8 if there is one (as I said, I don’t think there will be a book 8, but I do think we will get, and I do hope for, 9 seasons).

    Also, @mods, what is the official spoiler status of this comment section, because there have been a lot of people posting major spoilers without spoiler coding. Is it just assumed that, as this post contains ADwD spoilers (specifically the Children of the Forest) that the comment section is fair-game as far as discussing spoiler material? If not, may I recommend making a new post reminding people of the rules regarding spoilers?

  123. H. Stark
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 8:51 am | Permalink
  124. Arkash
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    From what he says, he is a Meereenese character and he seems to imply a scene with uncontrollable dragons… either it is a made-up scene either it is the pit, but I’m sure we wont get the pit this season.

  125. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,
    Not sure if legit or not. He could be the father of the child that gets eaten by Drogon, but I still refuse to admit that it will be in season 4 :P. Perhaps a slaver gets roasted while treating with Daenerys, triggering a battle? That could be interesting.

  126. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga: My guess is that the season ends with the battle of Meereen, and the ‘murder’ of Jon Snow. And yes, that means that we’ll even be seeing some of The Winds of Winter, which makes sense, considering that’s how the book should have ended in the first place.

    I’m with you for the most part, save I think there is a satisfying way to end Season 5 without using all of ADwD (just 2/3 of it). The Meereen stuff can end well with Danys taking off on Drogon, and Tyrion watching that happen, and knowing that Victarion is on his way. Then you leave the Selmy coup, the battle, Quentyn’s death and Tyrion signing with the Second Sons for Season 6. It streamlines the arc for Season 5 for Danys – her first chance to rule as a queen, and her growing inability to quell the restlessness that is around her and that she is not of this place (just as in some ways she is not of Westeros).

    The “murder” of Jon Snow has a similar arc – as does Cersei’s failure and downfall in King’s Landing. They make for three very similar tied stories that will work quite well as a Season 5 and makes those 3 characters the “central” characters of that season (along with Tyrion of course, who goes on a Heart of Darkness-type journey.)

    Then Season 6 gives you end of DwD, WoW, and leaves rest of WoW and DoS for seasons 7-8.

    Skyofwelkup: I’m slightly disappointed. It’s my understanding that the Children of the Forest have the proportions of adult humans, they are just significantly smaller. With that in mind I was hoping they would not go the route of child or dwarf actors, and instead rely on special effects or camera perspective tricks.

    Well, children do mostly have the proportions of adults, and yet are just smaller (unlike little people, where the proportions are indeed different). The special effects needed to create something like this – similar to Lord of the Rings “re-sizing” Elijah Wood and Sean Astin et al – is prohibitively expensive for any TV show.

  127. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:29 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    H. Stark,
    Not sure if legit or not. He could be the father of the child that gets eaten by Drogon, but I still refuse to admit that it will be in season 4 :P. Perhaps a slaver gets roasted while treating with Daenerys, triggering a battle? That could be interesting.

    D&D currently figuring out ways to fire or have this guy roasted for speaking out. :)

    I could see him as the father of the dead child – which is one legit way to bring closure to (and point forward) for Danys at Season 4 end. It’s a rough “what have I done” moment.

  128. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    H. Stark,
    Not sure if legit or not. He could be the father of the child that gets eaten by Drogon, but I still refuse to admit that it will be in season 4 :P. Perhaps a slaver gets roasted while treating with Daenerys, triggering a battle? That could be interesting.

    Why wouldn’t it be in S4? Dany has only 2 ASoS chapters left; it is unlikely those would last the entire season. Some ADwD material is a must. Besides, we knowHizdahr is cast and he doesn’t appear in ASoS.

  129. Rygar
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:40 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    I am.

  130. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Dtones520,

    Yara will most likely be captured by Stannis in season 4 since she is unknowingly heading his way in her quest to deal with the Boltons

  131. RobbWind resusurected for doggie style with Walder Frey
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    I am happy they are advancing Bran’s storyline to the interesting parts. That should be more interesting than Brienne’ Stupid search to a peninsula and a bay or Dario’s search for Dany’s clit or Quentyn looking for daddy’s approval. I want a wierwood root growing through Bran. I know he warged into Theon at Winterfell to give him a set of balls that he seriously lacked.

  132. Garlan the Gallant
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:10 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    Also ending with the father and the girl’s bones would make for a great end to Dany’s story, it will really break the trend of ending seasons with “Happy Dany does great things in Essos”

  133. loco73
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Very nice! While people are complaining left and right about “A Feast For Crows” and “A Dance With Dragons”, I thoroughly enjoyed the books, as they offer many wonderful new aspects and insights, as well as great developments, such as Bran’s storyline. I for one am pleased and cannot wait to see Octavia Alexandru in her role!

    Iti doresc numai bine Octavia! Sa fie totul intr-un ceas bun! (Don’t freak out I didn’t swear or anything, I just wished Octavia good luck in Romanian…though I suspect she is more British than Romanian…)

  134. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Also, @mods, what is the official spoiler status of this comment section, because there have been a lot of people posting major spoilers without spoiler coding. Is it just assumed that, as this post contains ADwD spoilers (specifically the Children of the Forest) that the comment section is fair-game as far as discussing spoiler material? If not, may I recommend making a new post reminding people of the rules regarding spoilers?

    Now that is humorous! I believe this site has jumped that shark many, many threads and moons ago. Without dedicated forums and an aggressively vigilant support staff, the robust nature of ASoI&F/GoT discussions makes spoiler tagging almost impossible to police. The very nature of some of these threads are spoilery. It’s all part of the excitement…there is an amazingly diversified, complicated fan culture that surrounds this series. The only threads that are still somewhat “safe” for Unsullied are Oz’s threads, but even those have been compromised as well.

  135. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:28 am | Permalink

    Garlan the Gallant,

    Garlan the Gallant,

    Pretty much. I personally hope they wade deep into ADwD territory. The more material they cover in S4, the more space opens up in later seasons for TWoW.

  136. OhDanyBoy
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    H. Stark,
    Not sure if legit or not. He could be the father of the child that gets eaten by Drogon, but I still refuse to admit that it will be in season 4 :P. Perhaps a slaver gets roasted while treating with Daenerys, triggering a battle? That could be interesting.

    Got to be the father. His character is even called “goatherd/farmer” in the picture in that article. I expect it as a cliffhanger for the season.

  137. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: Got to be the father.His character is even called “goatherd/farmer” in the picture in that article.I expect it as a cliffhanger for the season.

    Why a cliffhanger? Why not open the season with the LS resurrection then suddenly cut to Slaver’s Bay where Drogon is feeding on goats/children/slavers and Dany’s followers are terrified? Bam! That would get rid of the awfully tacky “Mhysa” ending from S3 and set the pace for more insanity that this upcoming season will most definitely provide!

  138. OhDanyBoy
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Why a cliffhanger? Why not open the season with the LS resurrection then suddenly cut to Slaver’s Bay where Drogon is feeding on goats and children and Dany’s followers are terrified? Bam! That would get rid of the awful Mhysa ending from S3 and set the pace for more insanity that this upcoming season will most definitely provide!

    Because the dragons running wild is a problem for Dany in Meereen, after her successes taking the city and smashing the slave industry. And she hasn’t taken Meereen yet.

  139. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    OhDanyBoy: Because the dragons running wild is a problem for Dany in Meereen, after her successes taking the city and smashing the slave industry.And she hasn’t taken Meereen yet.

    Why wait per book canon? Meereen has its own issues that are not dependent on dragon fodder. Don’t you think it is odd that the dragons haven’t caused more chaos yet? I say open up the damn storyline and start introducing chaos sooner than later!

  140. Ashara D
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    My first thought: “It looks like the lion version of Grond.” So perhaps the siege of Riverrun?? (clasping hands together and looking skyward in desperate supplication)

    Could be from another production in Belfast though–there are so many!

  141. iam76
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    utherwolf,

    WUNWUN!

  142. kevin
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I don’t think we need to worry about spoilers because this newspost is a spoiler. If you don’t want spoilers you should read this newspost at all.

    Arkash,

    It’s the scene where the kid dies from the dragon attack. DwD first Danny chapter. We can asume that the season will end with the capture of the dragons and Drogo leaving. We already know that has been filmed.

    Mr Fixit,

    But still we only get one DwD chapter from Danny the first. And Emilia already stated that season 4 is about her finding out about her past, the true story about her father and that what Viserys told her were bassically lies.

    I think we can asume that Danny will take over Mereen around episode 4. Meeting Hizdahr etc and killing slavers etc (whats between those 2 chapters from SoS) in episode 5-7. Episode 8 the child can die from Drogon’s attack. And episode 10 the locking up of the dragons.

    And why is 2 chapters not much? Look at Arya, it’s already a fact that the end of the season is her leaving for Braavos. That’s only 2 chapters for her too.

  143. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    It appears you may have a break from exams, at the moment. Your outlines are
    always thought provoking.

    I ‘m not interested in increasing my angst by reading sample chapters of TWoW,
    which may be offered to the public in mixed sequence, but it seems reasonable that
    GRRM would begin the next book with a chronology similar to events occurring in
    ADWD. Bran Stark’s evolving strengths, and Bloodraven ‘s unveiling, is
    bound to be extrapolated
    . The CotF are particular interest to me, specifically ,
    and I hope to better understand any implied rivalry, or difference of opinion
    between Bloodraven/ 3 Eyed Crow and Melisandre’s Rh’llor god.

    For the viewers of Game of Thrones , the CotF may be only present to augment
    whatever revised text following the show -runners depiction, which I surmise as wizened children. This may lend some strength to the weakened story of Bran’s trek
    north, and the Reeds, in particular. I can’t imagine GoT
    wasting any more of Brodie-Sangster’s talent.

  144. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Harry Lime,

    This has been speculated about, and discussed for likelihood as well as dismissal,
    as a project. From interviews. GRRM hinted that a project may be underway,
    however confirmed with certainty, that there would be impressive increase of
    Dunk & Egg Tales for the future. Who knows, with ten or twelve novels, there
    may be ample material for HBO to green light another series…..

  145. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    Do you have a link or source for the info Emilia supposedly revealed about her season 4 story? I have not read that anywhere else.

  146. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Interesting,as a whole, good argument for S5. I like where you’re heading with S6
    thru 8, but I can’t wrap my mind around all the likely scenarios to choose from.
    As always, I’m amazed at what you guys come up with. Thoughtful read. *>*

  147. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    But still we only get one DwD chapter from Danny the first. And Emilia already stated that season 4 is about her finding out about her past, the true story about her father and that what Viserys told her were bassically lies.

    Interesting. I didn’t know she said that. I look forward to delving into some serious backstory at last.

    As for Arya: true, she has only 2 ASoS chapters left as well, but judging by leaked info, her story is being expanded with material not in the books. D&D seem to think those 2 chapters aren’t enough to last the whole season and invented stuff up. And since budgetary and story concerns preclude Arya from getting to Braavos too soon, they have no choice but to spice things up.

    Dany, on the other hand, has material readily available as no change of scenery or new characters are required. The show can effortlessly move into ADwD territory as far as they want it to. And I say, the more, the better.

  148. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I think your outlines are always very detailed, but they also come across as more ‘blue-sky’ than realistic. They don’t seem consistent with how D&D have paced the show thus far, and I highly, highly doubt that the show will get to nine seasons. Eight seasons is pushing it, as it is. I love the enthusiasm, I just don’t see things playing out in that way.

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I would never expect to see such a large-scale battle as that of Meereen anywhere other than near the end of a season. HBO isn’t going to spend millions upon millions of dollars to drop a major battle sequence into the middle of a season, and it definitely wouldn’t happen in the early goings. I’d expect to see something like the battle with Stannis on the ice happen earlier in a season, only because it’s one that could be handled without much fanfare for both budgetary reasons, and for dramatic reasons (leaving his fate uncertain).

    With that in mind, I don’t think there’s any way to have the battle for Meereen not end the fifth season. By the end of season four, we’ll have already had a fair amount of material implemented from AFfC & ADwD, so your thinking that those two books will take one and a half seasons could very well already be the case. What D&D aren’t going to do is end those story lines even earlier than the books did, only to have the resolutions take place throughout the first half of the sixth season. It was bad story-telling when Martin ended things where he did, and it would be even worse on the television show.

    WildSeed,

    Thanks.

  149. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    I have a feeling that season 4 might start with the Stoneheart resurrection as the cold open before the credits roll. The timing just seems a bit off having Cat’s body happen to float down the river 11 episodes after the RW. If they open the season with this then it kicks things off with a bang and also keeps the timing of events in order. They can show the hanging of the Frey later on in the season as an episode closer.Might be way off but I would prefer it to go down this way personally.

  150. azad injejikian
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters,

    It would be stronger to start with a bang using the epilogue of ASoS, but i suspect they may save that for the end of ep 10 like in the novel

  151. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters,

    She would be resurrected earlier, but wouldn’t appear until the finale. They should not show her resurrection. The first time the TV audience sees her should be through the eyes of whichever Frey is about to be hanged, just as it was in the book.

  152. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Lord Of The Waters,
    She would be resurrected earlier, but wouldn’t appear until the finale. They should not show her resurrection. The first time the TV audience sees her should be through the eyes of whichever Frey is about to be hanged, just as it was in the book.

    No way! It is much more interesting to have both, and S3 “Mhysa” should have ended with our favorite non-POV scene. (We have beat this wolf to death, my friends!)
    :-))

  153. kevin
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I will look for it, but it was a video interview, the only thing that I’m thinking right now was it Emilia or the actress of Misandei. It was in fact one of the video’s that WiC posted a couple of weeks ago.

    Mr Fixit,
    Still they can spice things up with Danny, much things happened between chapters. People get killed, seeing the Harpy at work.

    Khal-A-Bunga,
    Luckily D&D think otherwise, the battle at Mereen will be in 6×09 (not confirmed but much more logical than 5×09). They don’t look at the big scale but per season. Season 4 will be about the rest of SoS and the first chapter of DwD. Season 5 will be about the first half of DwD, probably this season is about how Danny is as queen, and if she is willing to marry someone for the safety of her people. Which will lead to her marrying Hizdahr. Not so exciting season for her but still season 5 will be marked as “everyone is going to Danny” season. So if we see a scene about Tyrion, it’s also about Danny. So we don’t really need too much Danny herself in that season. Season 6 will be about her finding the Dothraki again we don’t know what that will be about that’s in WoW, and Danny isn’t in Mereen anymore and Mereen story is then in the eyes of Baristan and Tyrion with the epic conclusion of the Battle at Mereen in 6×09. (especially if you look at the journey Tyrion has to make, you know that it’s in season 6 not 5 and why is a second KL boring?) Thinking it’s in season 5 is just fooling yourself and if you look at the previous 3 seasons and espcially season 3, the story moves much slower than the sulied first thought. And season 5 has much more stories to tell, so every story moves even less fast than season 3.

    And even D&D said in multiple interviews that they want FfC and DwD be told in 2 seasons (which I think will be 1,5 season) and that they will have a hard and difficult time to cut the stories in 2 and find the right part to do so.

    And a fair amount of FfC and DwD? D&D said many times that that will be to a minimum and that the most of the season will be about SoS. Season 4:
    No FfC/ DwD: Arya, Sansa, Jon, Tyrion, Jaime, Davos, Samwell, Yara Kingsmoot, Martels.
    FfC: Cercei I, Brienne I
    DwD: Danny I, Bran I and II, Theon.

    So what do we get in season 4 from those two books: Cercei finding her father death, this can even be moved to 5×01 if Tyrion escapes in 4×10, he isn’t going much sooner. Brienne will probably escape with Pod once Tyrion is sentence to death. There’s no sign of Tarly sr or any other character that involves her FfC stuff, so we can asume that she will be seen in episode 8 and 10 on the road, just like season 2 with Jaime. So this doesn’t really count as FfC material. Bran will mostly be invented and the end we meet 3-eyed-raven. Theon is difficult probably this season he will betray the iron born at the end of the season. And winterfel in season 5.

    So how is 6 chapters from those 2 books, going deep into ffC and DwD material? That is over 100 chapters combined?

  154. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Not in my opinion. If they show the resurrection then it completely ruins the scene from the epilogue. It would be much better to hear reports of Freys being kidnapped and hanged throughout the season and discussion of the Brotherhood having a new leader. Then the final scene of the season would have that much more impact. I’m pretty positive that if they choose to keep the LS character in the show that it will happen this way.

  155. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    So you have not read Theon’s TWOW sample chapter? Ur missing out on Stannis’ most epic line of the entire series.

  156. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: Hodor’s Bastard,

    Not in my opinion. If they show the resurrection then it completely ruins the scene from the epilogue. It would be much better to hear reports of Freys being kidnapped and hanged throughout the season and discussion of the Brotherhood having a new leader. Then the final scene of the season would have that much more impact. I’m pretty positive that if they choose to keep the LS character in the show that it will happen this way.

    This

  157. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Not in my opinion. If they show the resurrection then it completely ruins the scene from the epilogue. It would be much better to hear reports of Freys being kidnapped and hanged throughout the season and discussion of the Brotherhood having a new leader. Then the final scene of the season would have that much more impact.I’m pretty positive that if they choose to keep the LS character in the show that it will happen this way.

    Trust me, I won’t be disappointed with that “by-the-book” approach to LS activity. But GoT doesn’t follow PoV structure. The showrunners have been willing to show GreyRobb and Theon’s torture/castration to great effect, which were only passively described in the books. Why wouldn’t the showrunners assert themselves with this scene and take LS in a more direct approach?

    I think it is time for placing bets. :)

  158. Lord Of The Waters
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Ahh that would make sense now you mention it. If that is the approach they take then Im all for them closing the season with Stoneheart already resurrected and the Frey hanging.

  159. Greenjones
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:14 pm | Permalink

    While we’re discussing what they might do with the Lady Stoneheart situation, here’s my two cents.

    Blackfish is back at Riverrun as Frey’s mobilize against him. Roose Bolton or someone meets him at the drawbridge and they give over Catelyn’s body as a gesture of good faith. Later Blackfish is about to give her a Viking funeral as he did his brother and he fires his flaming arrow but its shot out of the sky by Anguy. We see the Brotherhood without Banners assemble around him. Maybe some vague dialogue.

    Then hints that Freys are being hung. Some set up of which ever Frey gets hung in the last scene. Then use aSoS’s last scene.

  160. Chickenduck
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:58 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Not in my opinion. If they show the resurrection then it completely ruins the scene from the epilogue. It would be much better to hear reports of Freys being kidnapped and hanged throughout the season and discussion of the Brotherhood having a new leader. Then the final scene of the season would have that much more impact.I’m pretty positive that if they choose to keep the LS character in the show that it will happen this way.

    I also agree with this.

  161. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    Lord Of The Waters:

    Traitor!

    Chickenduck:

    May your chooks turn into emus and kick your dunny down!

    (Silent majority?)

  162. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Lord Of The Waters,

    She would be resurrected earlier, but wouldn’t appear until the finale. They should not show her resurrection. The first time the TV audience sees her should be through the eyes of whichever Frey is about to be hanged, just as it was in the book.

    I must agree with this, just the memory of that introduction gives me goosebumps.
    I say we knock down Hodor’s Bastard’s vote, and take the win, for full on effect.
    The show has demonstrated a few simmering plots very well
    ( Bolton’s true face, Selmy’s return ).
    Such a reveal speaks volumes and captures the audience’s excitement for the
    mystery of it. So what if readers know the grizzly accounts .
    Can you imagine waiting for the next season to begin, with a
    finale / closing like that ? Silence the naysayers!

  163. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I know, but I had waiting in angst for what remains. I would not stop thinking about
    it until the full text emerges. Spoilery is an activity lost rarely enjoyed by the likes of
    me, so I avoid at all costs. Good thing I’m a patient person. I
    also haven’t re-read the series, as so many here, have done.
    As the publishing date nears, I may read a volume or two,
    the refresh my memory of certain details.

    No worries, I haven’t forgotten where Stannis was last put, nor the circumstances of
    those now in his care.

  164. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Dear spirits, I having a difficult time aligning the text to my posts ! What the sam hell
    is going on here ?

  165. Arthur
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 2:02 am | Permalink

    Is this interview, D&D say they will be shooting through Thanksgiving.

    Maybe they are done with many of the location shooting and do indoor shoots now?

    http://youtu.be/Gs6mGrsYZxI

  166. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 2:31 am | Permalink

    kevin,

    D & D have never said that they plan on taking two seasons for AFfC & ADwD. They’ve barely said anything about the challenge of adapting those two books at all. Link, in case I missed something?

    In any case, time will tell. I feel pretty confident that the majority of the two latest books will be finished by the time season five wraps up. Too many of the characters lack sufficient material to cover two entire seasons, if the writers hope to maintain any semblance of a character arc for them (to say nothing of the narrative momentum).

    We agree that the majority of the main characters will end almost exactly where their stories ended in A Storm of Swords. However, we know that we’ll be seeing material from the latest two books in these story lines:

    Dany: Hizdahr has been cast, and it was recently leaked that the incident with the child being eaten by Drogon will be included this season.

    Brienne: Gwendoline Christie and the actor who plays Pod have been seen filming together.

    Bran: Bloodraven and Leaf have been cast.

    Theon: His further transformation into Reek will almost definitely be seen.

    Braavos: Tycho Nestoris has been cast (Mark Gatiss).

    I wouldn’t call that an insignificant amount of material.

    As a side-note, I’m not sure why anyone believes that Yara will be present for the happenings on the Iron Islands going forward. They didn’t send her after Theon just to have her turn around.

  167. Chickenduck
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:21 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Haven’t heard that expression in a while!

  168. Coltaine777
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:28 am | Permalink

    OT…loved the Game Of Thrones shout outs on Supernatural last week..

  169. Chickenduck
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    A couple of key things to take out of what D&D said (paraphrased):

    “Previous seasons have had a slow build-up, but this one starts with a bang. Lots of action, and a lot of scenes we’ve been looking forward to making for the last 5 of so years.”

    So PW all but confirmed for E2? Either way, I reckon they’ll charge through the material pretty quick.

  170. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Coltaine777,

    …. & South Park. Butters’ pondering about “gay wieners” was brilliant, so was the soundtrack, very Djawadi-sed.

  171. King DBC
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:53 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I enjoy reading your predictions, I really do, it’s just… They’re sometimes more ideal than logical, and far to slowly paced. You avoid looking at the obvious events that are natural finale type stuff, because it’s “too soon”. The obvious ending for Dany S4 is losing control of her dragons, so yes, Drogon burning the farmers daughter should be near the finale. The capture of the dragons perhaps in the finale or the S5 premiere. For S5 the three central character are Jon, Cersei and Dany. Their story arcs are great parallels about power. All three of them just came into great power and how they each deal with it. Like I said, they are central to S5 and other story arcs should adjust to the timing of these three. The obvious endings there are Jon gets stabbed by his brothers, Cersei is arrested in the Sept and Daznak’s Pit incident for Dany. My two cents, me and GreatJon of Slumber are very much on the same page. His predictions have been far more suited for the show.

  172. Greenjones
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 4:48 am | Permalink

    King DBC,

    That layout would work very well. Three principle characters who we’ve known since episode one come into immense power and by the end of the season all of the them lose it. That would be compelling television.

    As for the Dornish storylines and the Pyke/Greyjoy one I don’t know how they’ll really fit them in. I guess just touch on them insofar as they fit to people who will eventually sail to Meereen. That will be hard to figure out for the folks on the show and for us gentleman speculators, but then, I imagine it was hard for GrrM to figure out too.

  173. kevin
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 5:48 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Difficult because once LS is show, there needs to be an explanation how she is alive. So if it is going to work as a season 4 cliffhanger, I don’t know. We’ll have to wait and see.

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Try to do my best, but just like that about Emilia, it’s just so long ago. I watch to many seasons. But it was under the line that they said that they are going to have a hell of a time where to cut the story of FfC and DwD into two.

    Hizdahr will be seen because he is in SoS off-page. Remember that Danny put all those slavers on crosses. And he is probably going to be seen at the end of the season.
    Brienne and Pod had one scene seen together. That can easily be a scene from the final.
    Bloodraven and Leaf have probably been cast for just one maybe two episodes. This will contain the introduction of the character and what he wants with Bran, nothing more.
    Theon: Probably the amount of time that we saw in season 3. Probably one torture episode and at the end he will go toward Deep-wood motte.
    Braavos: Tysho didn’t film when the scenes with Stannis were shot. So we can asume that he only get scenes with KL at the end of the season.
    This is only around 5% of the two books. Just like around 5% of SoS was in season 2.
    And if you want something to be better on TV, never compress it, expend it. It’s not the story that matters, it’s the way the story is told. Lot’s of things happen in FfC and DwD off-page that are pretty amazing to watch on screen. (attack on Dragon stone for instance, everything that happen between Danny chapters, seeing the Harpy and their shemes.)
    About Yara: She is shown because of the actress, they don’t want her to walk away, and because they wanted to have the “theon is going to be saved” feeling. We have a big chance that the first scene of the next season she is called home because her father died.

    And there’s enought material for TV in FfC and DwD. In my next post I make some outlines with timeframe, this isn’t a timeframe per episode but total per character. And I’m only including the stuff from FfC and DwD not the stuff from TwoW, that we know is going to happen.

  174. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    kevin,

    kevin, I think you remember it wrong. I follow these things pretty closely, and no one on the show said anything on how long it will take to adapt the last two books.

    The problem with these overoptimistic timeframes for the show is that people seem to forget that the show can’t go on indefinitely. If they take too much time to adapt AFfC/ADwD, what time would be left for TWoW and ADoS? A season for each of those mindbogglingly huge books? Why on Earth would D&D do that? Start on the assumption that the show will have roughly 80 episodes (as D&D have repeatedly said) and the pieces fall in place.

    It’s also worth keeping in mind Martin’s own words when talking about AFfC/ADwD split – he said that he decided on the geographical/character split rather than chronological because he thought it would be better to tell the whole story of half the characters than half the story of all the characters. And yet, people who would want to see Season 5 AND 6 spent on ADwD would get exactly that. A season with no natural stopping points and no forward momentum for a large number of characters.

    Not a good idea in my estimation.

  175. Hodoreo
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    If they could get Sean Bean back for the weirwood flashback it would be sick.

  176. kevin
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    I’m not talking about the whole season 6. Just the first half of the season. the first 5 episodes are needed to finish the last pieces of DwD And why not enought time? And yes they want 8 seasons, but still they stated many times that that’s what they want but that they are looking at the show per season and take pieces of the books that tells one story with a beginning middle and end for that character. And even the boss of HBO said, they can have as many seasons as they are needed to translate the books to the show.

    Making a timeframe takes a lot of time so I do that later but look at the story itself.
    Arya: Her FfC ending makes a wonderfull season closer for season 5.
    Bran: His whole DwD will be closed in season 5.
    Jon: rumours are that lord commander plotline will be season 5. That means that his DwD stuff will start around episode 4. or even later. We have the killing of Janos slynt. Jon sending Stannis to the clans. Having the Wildings going south of the wall. And probably sending Mance to Winterfell. This season will probably be the start of his LC storyline and ends with the reunion of two old enemies (NW and wildlings).
    Sansa: Probably everything in FfC, except maybe her last chapter when she goes south. That sounds more like a start of a new storyline for the next season.
    Tyrion: His season 5 will be about eagon/Tyrion bromance. Which will probably end around episode 7. Than we can have 3 episodes where he will be captured by Jorah. Leaving on a ship and getting captured by slavers.
    Cercei: Ends with her sending the letter to Jaime.
    Jaime: Refusing Cercei’s letter.
    Davos: His whole DwD needs to be told, because of Manderly.
    Theon: The wedding?
    Brienne: Her FfC chapter’s will be told all of course. Wonderfull season ending for her.
    Danny: Marrying Hizdahr. Fighting pits. Hell, we don’t need Tyrion to be in Mereen for this do we? We still have Barristan left in Mereen to have the connection.
    Dorne: FfC finished.
    Eagon: Leaving for Westeros.
    Iron Islanders: FfC finished.

    Season 6:
    arya: one chapter. Her DwD journey will end around episode 2/3 Means season 6 will be mostly WoW for her.
    Bran: only WoW for him.
    Jon: Somethings tells me that his story in season 6 will be only DwD material. the only character that has no WoW material in season 6. Stabbing him in season 6 makes a wonderful ending. Except if he is Azor Ahai than we can asume that that’s the season 6 ending.
    Stannis: Battle in winterfell will probably the end of the season. but I think the last thing we saw from him in DwD will be around episode 3/4 of this season. Means that in fact season 6 is almost WoW material for him.
    Sansa: Going south. That means that her WoW stuff begins around episode 3/4.
    Tyrion: We have left, the fighting pits and him getting back his strenght. The last DwD chapter of him we can expect around episode 5/6 of season 6. Which I expect that the battle at Mereen will be episode 8 and 9 (same as battle at Winterfell, they want something new every season so 2 big battles at the same time is pretty epic ain’t it?). But that means that the last 5/6 episodes of season 6 will be WoW.
    Cercei: Walk of Shame. Robert Strong. DwD ends around episode 2/3 rest is WoW.
    Jaime/ Brienne: Meeting each other. WoW starts around episode 3.
    Davos: WoW all the way.
    Theon: Depends on Stannis.
    Danny: Her Dotraki meeting is left. I think the ending of 6×01. Means, lot’s of WoW for her.
    Barristan: His journey this season is of course about the battle at Mereen. His DwD chapters will probably end around episode 5/6 just like Tyrion.
    Dorne: DwD will finish around episode 2/3.
    Eagon: ariving Westeros in episode 2/3 means that the rest is WoW.
    Victorion: going to Mereen. ariving at Mereen, around the battle.

    That means that I think that season6 will contain around 30/40 percent DwD/FfC leftovers and 60/70 WoW.

    For some reason I always take the battles in with DwD.

    That means that we have roughtly 2 season’s and 6/7 episodes for WoW and DoS. that can easily be done in my opinion.

  177. King DBC
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    Hodoreo,

    That would be sick, he’s said that he’d love to, but they have yet to ask him…
    http://www.vulture.com/m/2012/03/sean-bean-would-totally-return-to-game-of-thrones.html

    This is an oppotunity that better not go to waste… Imagine that first vision of Bran’s, where Ned sits beneath the Weirwood. With actual Sean Bean. Would be awesome.

  178. Ser Tahu
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 8:30 am | Permalink

    kevin,
    I actually agree with you, for the most part. I must admit I am warming up to the idea of the fighting pits being in season 5 and Tyrion just not being there for it. His presence there in the books was really more of an easter egg than anything else.

    The one problem I could foresee is that it would almost certainly require both battles to be in season 6, and I doubt they would have the budget for that.

  179. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 9:28 am | Permalink

    kevin,

    You are constantly citing rumors that have no basis in anything we’ve heard so far. Where did you hear that Jon’s LC stuff will be in Season 5? Who says it won’t be right there at the end of S4 where it belongs? If so, he’ll be in ADwD territory in 5×01.

    I don’t agree with your Sansa outline as well. We know several prominent Vale nobles appearing in AFfc have already been cast for S4 – Royce, Waynwood…, which means she’ll have some early parts of her AFfC storyline (not that she has much of AFfC storyline, while we’re at it, a grand total of two chapters) or at least early introductions this season. That would mean you’d stretch her TWO chapters over a season and a half (or even two whole seasons, depending on what they do with Eyrie in S4). Not gonna happen.

    Again, why stretch Tyrion’s journey over two seasons? Why couldn’t he leave for Essos in 4×10 and arrive in Meereen towards the end of the season? Do we really need to see two seasons of his travelogue?

    And Stannis? He’ll trudge through snow for two whole seasons?

    I still think this outline is way too drawn out to work. In books as well as on screen.

  180. Turncloak
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    Agreed. I think season a large portion of AFFC will be cut such as Brienne’s journey. Since there are no brave companions and since Locke is now with the nights watch we won’t have that side story. I think we get the a Blackfish/Jaime showdown in season 4. Dany’s Meereen arc will not take 3 seasons. She will end season 5 on the back of Drogon. Jon will end season 5 betrayed by the nights watch (what better way to end episode 9). Season 6 will have with the battle of fire(Mereen) and ice(Stannis vs Boltons)

  181. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit:
    kevin,
    …We know several prominent Vale nobles appearing in AFfc have already been cast for S4 – Royce, Waynwood…, which means she’ll have some early parts of her AFfC storyline (not that she has much of AFfC storyline, while we’re at it, a grand total of two chapters) or at least early introductions this season.

    Maybe there will be some Vale Lord stuff without Sansa, happening before Sansa and LF arrive? Crackpot GoT theory: Blackfish makes his way back to the Vale (before returning to RR) Just like the Manse storyline…I hope we get a few scenes of Manse, Styr, etc. and his army before they get to “book PoV” territory near the Wall. They did it with the Theon storyline…I would expect that non-PoV stuff to continue. Why not?

  182. Jentario
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    This. I was on the fence about it earlier. On one hand, the season begins with Drogon escaping as a relatively small dragon, and seeing him coming back not so small (as in HUGE) at the end of the season with that amazing scene… Would be amazing! It would also give Dany much more of an arc, that is framed by the symbological and literal scene of the dragon leaving (along with Dany’s “fire”) and returning at the end, fiercer than ever. The perfect season finale.

    On the other hand, having the scene so early will completely ruin the pacing of multiple storylines as they head into season 6, and the battle would have to happen relatively early in the season, which is anticlimactic. Also the scene would work really well as an episode 4 ender, kind of like Dracarys was in season 3, and season 6 would become much more full and well paced for it (with the epic battle of Meereen being an episode 9).

    In the end, as long as the scene will be there and be awesome- I’ll be a very happy camper.

  183. kevin
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Depends, they can make it in one or two episodes together. Showing both battles at the same time. Having the battle at Mereen as Blackwater/the wall battle of season 2. And having the battle at Winterfell as the battle of Yunkaii. This should work.

    Mr Fixit,

    Not really from HBO itself but Elio of Westeros.org stated it, that it will be the beginning of season 5. Still as I said, it can be in season 4, but there is a big chance that Elio is right as always. That guy is almost never wrong about stuff like that. And don’t we want Stannis at the LC plotline. Second it doesn’t matter if the LC is in season 4. The stabbing itself isn’t going to happen in season 5. The amount of build-up can’t be done in one season. Janos getting killed. Sending Mance away, burning lord of bones. Sending sam away (Which will for sure be seen in the show for emotional impact). Wildlings south of the wall. etc etc. Look at the 3 seasons that we already have what really happen per character per season, not so much. Jon season 3: Convince Mance rayder. Fist of first man. Getting over the wall. Escaping the wildlings. Returning to castle black. The stabbing of Jon Snow isn’t earlier than midway season 6, so why not delay it for a final scene of the season? People forget that the stabbing of Jon happens after the whole battle at winterfel that we are going to read in WoW. DwD part 2 and WoW part 1 happen at the same time, we can asume that that will be roughtly season 6 and probably some stuff of part 2 of WoW for the last 2 episodes. Than season 7 can finish WoW and finish the first 1/3 of DoS. and season 8 closes everything.

    And you say that it will be in 5×01 Territory. Yes, but still 5×02 and 5×03. Look at previous seasons. things like that happen over episodes not in one episode that begins with we have an election and the closing of the episode is Jon is Lord commander. This will be at least 3 episodes. We can asume that 5×01 till 5×03 will be about the Jon/Stannis conversations and him choosing between Winterfell and LCship. Still I hope that it will be in season 4 because him being LC will be a hell of a season ending for him. But still having season 5 be about “lord commander” will be fine too.

    Don’t forget the story isn’t only about Jon or about Tyrion or Danny, it’s about a bunch of people, that needs to tell some story in a season. And how more characters are showing up in the show with their own storyline, the lesser time is left for every story. And if you look at FfC and DwD, the couple of storylines is almost doubled.

    About Sansa: Yes we have those characters being introduced, and like WiC and Westeros.org already stated. This will probably only at the background for this season. Like we got Roose Bolton in season 2. Having her FfC chapters is out of order especially if you look at the story she’s got for the fourth season. Like I said before D&D aren’t just taking pieces of the books and think this character needs that many chapters so it ends her. They look at a journey that a character makes in a season. For sansa that is that her aunt and LF saves her from KL (Episode 1,2 the escape in episode 3) to the Vale (ariving probably in episode 5 or 6) Meeting people of the Vale, having a wedding (probably episode 7), talk with Lysa about the plan that Lysa has. and having her aunt killed in the final of season 4. the only FfC that we got is one episode where we are going to see those characters. And probably we see one of the lords in Arya’s journey, Arya is traveling through the vale and her story needs to expend in season 4.

    Her FfC story can’t be broken in 2, the only part that can happen is leaving her last chapter for a later season. Personally I don’t understand why you think that we go into her FfC storyline (introducing characters isn’t going into a storyline just like having more Ygritte in season 2 wasn’t going into SoS material, that means Lysa have to die earlier in the season. And the season have no real ending for Sansa. Mark my words the dead of Lysa is the scene before the last scene. Lysa falling through the moondoor when LF talks about loving Cat, last words in that scene is Cat. We now go to the Frey that just arrived at the brotherhood, and he get hanged and BAM there she is.

    And you need to let go of how many chapters. Season 3 featured 11 arya chapters but only 3 Danny chapters. And still Danny had more screentime than Arya in season 3. It’s all about what journey they want the character to follow in a season. And if a character isn’t show enough, they are expending that journey.

    About tyrion: What makes GoT an amazing show? Yes, the way they work with the characters. Why does Tyrion need 2 seasons? He doesn’t like I said. He needs to have 1,5 season for his DwD material. His beginning of season 5 is the arrival in Pentos. his second episode he will meet with Eagon and co. he will probably not be seen in episode 3. Episode 4 he will have some conversation’s with them. Episode 5 can focus on the Stone man. Episode 6 he isn’t seen. Episode 7 he is captured by Jorah. Episode 8 Jorah has a plan. Episode 10. The ship wrecked getting captured by slavers. Season 6. His first episode we know who his slaver is (no selling like the books). Then around episode 3 he get’s his strength back Episode 5 he’s going to the second sons. rest is WoW. Don’t forget D&D looking at what a certain character do in a season what is his story. Season 1: Introduction of Tyrion. Season 2: Hand of the King. Season 3: The wedding with Sansa (A lot of build up is done more than the books). Season 4: The trial season for him. Season 5: Eagon season. Season 6: Mereen season.

    About Stannis: No he isn’t going to be in the snow for two season, maybe 4 episodes max. Season 5 he is at the wall for the first half of the season. We maybe see him obtaining some northern clans. Season 6 he will start by going south towards winterfel. The first episode where he’s stuck in the snow is episode 3. He will meet Theon in episode 4. He will be out in episode 6 (5 not shown).

    First I thought exactly like you. That almost everything of FfC and DwD will be seen in season 5. That of Tyrion that of Stannis and Jon. I even had one of the battles in mind in season 5. But I forget a lot of things:
    - More characters mean less time per character.
    - The way the story was told in season 1 to 3 and that in fact not really much happen per character (yes total much happened but what did Stannis really do, what did Bran really do, what did Jon really do etc Sansa did more things because of the expansion of her story, but still it was getting trust and getting married and losing her trust. Still much screentime not so much happen. Same with Danny, 3 chapters but still almost the most screentime). And for season5 that means even lesser things are going to happen. We can expect that one storyline will have 40/45 minutes of screentime in the whole season that was around 60/70 in season 3. And if you look at episodes. In season 3 characters are in 7/8 episodes. season 5 we can expect them in 6 episodes.
    - Creatively storytelling. I forget all about the way D&D worked, the brilliant way they divide the story for each season. They look at a beginning middle end. What will the viewers remember afterwards if it is about that character and that season. That’s why for instance the battle at Castle black wasn’t in season 3, even if we all wanted it. And if a character has too few screentime, they are going to expend the story, spice up things rather than to have a different season ending.

    And there are more things to think about. I know why you want almost everything in season 5. But even if that cannot be done because of time. Don’t forget there are many scenes invented for instance for the Tyrells. But even creatively it isn’t going to work. Look at season 2 and 3. Why did many people dislike season 2? and why did they loved season 3? Because season 2 was focused on telling enough story, character driven story was abandoned for getting to the end of the book. The story felled rushed. There wasn’t enough time to let the story bread. And even in season 2, much less things happened than in ffC and DwD that need to be on screen (yes even if you cut things). Season 3 felled great because instead of having scene after scene, getting the book done. They slowed down the pacing. the story was expended when needed to make the story better. They told a short story and told it as long as they could. And why this work is because, viewers want to have things happen, but they want to feel the story like they are in that moment, they want events to tell the fullest. They rather want Jaime captured in episode 2 and have him and Brienne be freed in episode 7 (that’s all that really happened for them in season 3 and it was one of the best stories of that season) than have that in 2 or 3 episodes. Why doesn’t that work when things run very fast? Because the viewer can’t hold on to what a certain character is going through. They don’t have hold on on the story.

  184. kevin
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 10:59 am | Permalink
  185. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    Season 3 actually covers 5 Dany chapters, 1 ACoK and 4 ASoS.

  186. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 16, 2013 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    I just watched a quick F&TC interview with Joseph Mawle (aka. Benjen Stark) that was put up yesterday. Much shorter than these other minor cast interviews which sometimes go one for 10+ minutes. Straight to the point this time.

    It made me think, wouldn’t it be cool to bring him back as one of Bran’s weirwood visions? Possibly one about Jon Snow’s true parentage, or just popping ’round to say “I’m taking the black, Ned!”

  187. kevin
    Posted November 16, 2013 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    I forgot the CoK chapter and the first Danny chapter. But still look at episode 7,8,9,10 of season 3, that’s 1 Danny chapter. The same can happen for the last 2 chapters of SoS.

  188. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 16, 2013 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    kevin:
    Mr Fixit,

    I forgot the CoK chapter and the first Danny chapter. But still look at episode 7,8,9,10 of season 3, that’s 1 Danny chapter. The same can happen for the last 2 chapters of SoS.

    Interesting you say that. I always felt Dany’s storyline felt drawn out in later episodes of S3. They should’ve re-edited them and placed those scenes in fewer episodes. I generally don’t like too many appearances with too little per-episode progression.

    I don’t doubt D&D could somehow stretch her two remaining chapters to last a season (same goes for Sansa 2 AFfC chapters in S5), but frankly I think it’s a bad decision. If you can cover more ground, cover it. Don’t delay and prolong and filler-up if there’s another way.

  189. nIMrOD
    Posted November 16, 2013 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    obviously it will be the ram for the black fish door :)
    Greenjones,

  190. kevin
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 7:09 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    True, but Danny was in 8 episodes and the rest of the cast around 7. Personally I thought the scene from episode 9 should have been in episode 10 at the beginning of the episode and end with Mysha.

    But still some chapters can easily be 3 episodes on screen. The thing is that I rather have a season 3 style season, than a season 2 style season where they put to many chapters in one episode. And still season 4 can cover a lot of off-screen scenes: Taking Mereen, putting slavers on crosses etc. But Danny would have had 3 chapters in season 4. And personally I want a certain story to progress a lot in an episode but the problem with GoT is that there are so many storylines and main-characters that needs to be seen that that’s a problem. They have a very difficult job to translate the books.

    The problem with season 5 is the amount of storylines that have been rising up. It’s almost doubled than season 3. That means almost half the time that we got per character in season 3. And Sansa doesn’t need to have a lot of scenes/episodes. Just like season 2 and 3. Danny idem dito, many people are going to Deanerys. For the audience those parts are going about Danny. She herself doesn’t need to be seen a lot that season.

    nIMrOD,

    Riverrun isn’t in season 4.

  191. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    kevin:
    Mr Fixit,

    The problem with season 5 is the amount of storylines that have been rising up. It’s almost doubled than season 3. That means almost half the time that we got per character in season 3. And Sansa doesn’t need to have a lot of scenes/episodes. Just like season 2 and 3. Danny idem dito, many people are going to Deanerys. For the audience those parts are going about Danny. She herself doesn’t need to be seen a lot that season.

    That’s why I hope the show does an efficient and even (to the ire of the purists) merciless job of cutting down extraneous material from the last two books. This coming from someone who rather enjoyed AFfC and ADwD, though I’m fully aware of the books’ structural and pacing-related flaws.

    Two seasons for those books will be needed if D&D strive to include everything they can. Solution? Cut away the fat, however entertaining or well-written that material may be. For example, Brienne. I really like her chapters; the melancholy, the romanticism of George’s writing there is truly something to behold. But if the time spent on her makes it impossible to keep other, more plot-relevant, storylines on track… tough luck, her material must be severely trimmed.

    Same goes for Dorne and Iron Islands. I am aware there are many Greyjoy and/or Martell fans, but the fact is those chapters can be sped through or restructured on screen to achieve roughly the same effect. For example, I rather doubt we’ll be seeing Dorne itself.

    There are two main reasons I’m in favour of all this cutting/restructuring, and I’ve talked about it before:

    1. I want S5 to be really compelling television, character- and plot-wise, and I am (maybe unjustifiably) concerned both will suffer if the last two books are split over two seasons.
    2. This is perhaps the main concern I have. We all know that the costs are going to skyrocket as the show goes on and various actors start to renegotiate their contracts. It is unlikely GoT will have more than 8 seasons. We also know, as per Martin, that TWoW and ADoS will be gargantuan books, each easily the size of ASoS, if not larger, and wrapping up an insanely convoluted plot. The two books, taken together, would need at least 3 seasons to do them justice. Having major ADwD material in S6 means the last two books will have to be significantly condensed. If I have to choose between condensing/cutting transitional books and doing the same to the grand finish of an entire series, I choose the former.

    It all comes down to maths really.

  192. kevin
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    Brienne can easily be trimmed down by the beginning of the season with Randyll Tarly. He can be in episode 1-4 for her. Than 6-7 we will have with the priests. And 8-10 with the brotherhood.

    And I didn’t say 2 seasons for those 2 books, I said 1 season and about 3 episode average. Total 0f 13 episodes. Than we have 27 episodes for WoW and DoS 13/14 episodes per book can easily be done.

    About Dorne: I think we will see Dorne in the show. One episodes where we will meet the Martells. One episode where we will learn the plan of Arianne. One episode where she will take Myrcella. One episode where they are really going north and getting captured. And one where she will talk with her father about his plan with Quentyn. Total of 5 episodes and probably a total amount of screentime of 30/35 minutes.

    About Greyjoys: It will be in it, how it is going to play out is the question. I think that this can easily be told in 4 episodes. One where we learn who the brothers are. One episode with the beginning of the meeting. One with the end where Euron wins. And One where he sends Victorion to Danny.

    And there are many events, those 2 books have much more events than CoK, and season 2 had the problem of having to many events after each other, people couldn’t get hold on where the character was. Season 3 was much slower and people liked it.

    It all has to do with the big moments where the season works to, so that the viewers will watch the next season, and an ending that makes sense for the season. That means leaving some small things for the next season.

    Cercei/ Jaime: their ending needs to be that Jaime refuse to help her. This is a change in their relationship and it leaves Cercei totally vulnerable. And season 5 works toward the downfall of Cercei. And at the same time this will have the nice moment of the beginning of the winter. Season 6 is probably the trial of Cercei and Margery. Season 5 the downfall season 6 the trial for her.
    Eagon: His ending is of course going to Westeros.
    Brienne: Meeting with Stoneheart.
    etc every character had their own ending of the arc.

    about your 2 points:
    1. I think that D&D are more concerning about characterwise storytelling. Like they said many times, they look per character at a certain change they made in a season. For instance, Danny changed in season 3 from a “frightened” girl to a conqueror/liberator. And like I said before, I only said that I think Jon DWD arc will end in the season 6 final. And if he’s Azor Ahai that’s in that season too. Tyrion DWD arc will end in episode 5 of season 6 rest is WoW stuff. And the rest will end around episode 3. Like George said the ending of DWD is at the same time as the beginning of WoW. So we need first put in Sansa/Sam etc before we know what the real end point of George was for DwD. And that point is the ending of season 6.
    2. Lot’s of characters are probably going to die in WoW that means more space for the story to breed. Less characters to maintain. Means less non-pov scenes, means more time for the books itself (like the first book/season 1). That means that they combined can easily have the amount of time of 27 episodes. And because of cost it’s cheaper to have 13 episodes for FfC and WoW, because a lot of stuff happened. new locations etc. Season 5 can have the cost for new amazing locations. While season 6 can have the costs for the battle of Mereen.

    Still let’s worry about season 4 first.

  193. Patchy Face
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Could it be a wrap now? – looks like Masie Williams posted a pic that could have been snapped at a wrap party. Does anyone know if S4 is going to post production now?

  194. Greenjones
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    Where’d she post the picture? I wasn’t aware that she’d been filming GoT recently.

  195. Patchy Face
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Think it was twittered or maybe posted on FB – I saw it on my FB page. She was with Kit H, Sophie, Natalie D, John B and Rose L. Don’t think it was an old pic

  196. Greenjones
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    Just checked it out. That’s from last year around when they were promoting Season 3 I think. I think we’ll find out about a wrap party via Cat Taylor’s twitter.

  197. Patchy Face
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Ahhh – thanks for clarifying. I hadn’t seen that pic before.

  198. Ozymandias
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    The filming is ending next week I believe.
    and the week after we’ll probably get the “Season 4 – In Production” video like every year.

  199. Patchy Face
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 8:30 pm | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    I so hope you are right that HBO will release something in a couple weeks. This year has been especially lean news wise.

  200. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    Ozymandias,
    I so hope you are right that HBO will release something in a couple weeks.This year has been especially lean news wise.

    I actually like this “lean news” situation. As frustrating for fans as it may seem, less news leaks usually imply that everyone is on the same page and folks are genuinely excited about the product they are producing. I hope this is the case. Inevitably, stuff will happen and will leak over the next few weeks/months but I am hoping to be surprised next spring as well.

  201. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    kevin,

    I may be a bit delusional, but I consider the beginning of The Winds of Winter (battle of Meereen and Stannis/Bolton confrontation) actually ADwD material, as it was meant to be in that book and that’s where it structurally belongs. So when you say that the majority of S6 will be TWoW, I still only see Dance material there.

    Perhaps a strange way of looking at things, but it is a natural conclusion of ADwD storylines, and not only for the characters directly concerned. All the other book characters not integral to the North/Dany will probably still be in a holding pattern at the beginning of TWoW until Martin wraps up those two events. Which, when translated to the screen, still means a bunch of characters will need to have filler injected into the show while waiting for Stannis and Dany to get their shit together.

  202. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Hey! We missed the WiCnet awards this past week!

  203. kevin
    Posted November 18, 2013 at 6:49 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    True, but Sansa, Sam is in the beginning too. But if you look at the battles, there’s no way structurally that that can be in season 5 because of the journey Stannis needs to take after he arrives at Castle black. and Mereen because of Tyrion. Danny isn’t at Mereen anymore so don’t look at her progression. But Tyrion’s journey (and especially Eagon is to damn important to go to waste in just 2 episodes. People need to remember who Eagon is, and let season 5 end with him going to Westeros.
    But still D&D aren’t looking at how many seasons the show gets, they are looking at momentum, where does the season build up to. If there’s going to be seven season’s there’s going to be seven season, 8 than 8, 9 than 9. And 2 gigantic books doesn’t say anything. FfC and DwD are combined two gigantic books.

    But first let’s worry about season 4. My questions where the season will end:
    - Tyrion: Does it end with him killing his father or with him escaping?
    - Cercei/ Jaime: Do they find their father’s body in season 4 or season 5?
    - Brienne: When does she leave KL, how does she meet Pod?
    - Bran: How many scenes with the 3-eyed-raven do we see in season 4?
    - Jon: Lord Commander plotline in season 4?
    - Theon: Where the hell are they going with him next season? Winterfel? Moat Colin?
    - Yara: Same with her, what’s her story next season? What if she get’s captured by Ramsey and she takes the role of Farya? Long stretch but it could work.
    - Danny: Does it end with the dragon killing the child or with Danny locking up her dragon’s.

  204. Shmofo
    Posted November 18, 2013 at 9:12 am | Permalink

    I think people who talk about AFFC/ADWD taking two season, should stand in front of the mirror, and take one hard look of themselves. Why are they dreaming about, really why, ask yourselves? It’s because you hope that the show doesn’t surpass the books, but this is inevitable.

    And besides, as far as we know, Martin didn’t even finish ADWD yet (if you count the two battles removed from published ADWD, as narrative part of ADWD, while all six-seven chapters Martin read (has written) are pre-battle ones)

    And besides, if we inform ourselves about what Martin said about ADWD several years ago:

    The next book, A Dance With Dragons, will focus on the return of Daenerys Targaryen to Westeros, and the conflicts that creates. After that comes The Winds of Winter.

    it will again take several years for the “original” ADWD to get finished and published.

    Enjoy your wait, Martinites, and let us others, DDites, enjoy our show. I don’t want the show to meander and drag itself as the book I had to force myself to finish.

  205. bufkus
    Posted November 18, 2013 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Sounds like Bran’s ADwD arc will be covered in S4, and he’ll likely be written out of the show. Actor is getting too old I suppose.

    I also don’t think we’ll ever see Rickon again either.

  206. Abyss
    Posted November 18, 2013 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    bufkus,

    I never understood the whole problem with the young actors (I refuse to call them kids for the most part, because most of them aren’t really) getting to old. People get older and if there aren’t grown up yet there looks will change drastically. GoT tells his story over a long period of time, how is it problematic that we can see that by some people growing up in the show?

  207. A wildling Bastard
    Posted November 18, 2013 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    bufkus:
    Sounds like Bran’s ADwD arc will be covered in S4, and he’ll likely be written out of the show. Actor is getting too old I suppose.

    I also don’t think we’ll ever see Rickon again either.

    No .. Just no ..
    just like Abyss said about Isaac growing up during the seasons.. plus D&D wouldn’t let such a great actor be recast!.. and about Rickon .. it depends on the last two books .. i think Rickon has an important role in the upcoming books.. and if he does .. you’ll see more of him next season and beyond ..

  208. CreptorStatus
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 8:18 pm | Permalink

    utherwolf,

    Joseph Gatt is Coldhands. Period. No mystery here.

  209. Abyss
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 8:28 pm | Permalink
  210. Greenjones
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    Remember this article from the other day about Darren Kent cast as the goatherd and he’s only in one episode but its an emotional scene etc.? This one:

    http://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/10806274.From_Essex_to_a_land_of_dragons_and_warriors/

    Well his CV says he’s in an Alex Graves episode. http://www.spotlight.com/interactive/cv/1/M110646.html

    As we all know Mr. Graves is doing 2, 3, 8 and 10. So we can rule out 2 and 3 for this dragons out of control incident. That leaves eight and ten. my guess would be eight so that they can put off the actual chaining of the beasties until ten? What would you all say?

  211. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone here seen this link to Octavia’s casting video? For those of you who are active at Westeros, you may have seen this already. Damn, all fans need to see this! This girl is going to rock this COTF role! What a discovery!
    http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/Another_SpoileryCasting

  212. Abyss
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Not saying that she wont be great, I am sure she will be, but that’s not a very good representation of what she can do as an actress. The clip is more of an show reel than a casting video. It has music, slow and fast motion and video filters, all to present her in the best possible light.
    Again, I am sure Octavia Alexandru will do great, but the clip has seen high amounts of post-production. ;-)

  213. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Abyss:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    …the clip has seen high amounts of post-production. ;-)

    Yeah…for some reason it was called a casting test video. But if that is what she is like in a “post-prod” test, I think her in costume, in make-up and in the snowy forest will be enthralling. NG has found another great child actor!

  214. WildSeed
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    I agree, with all you stated. I’m reserving any thought on the portrayal, as it will
    depict the new direction for the CoTF, onscreen.

    Beautiful eyes on this little Gelfling, yet nothing reminds me of conjured images
    from the books. I’m really looking forward to GoT’s representation, of the goings
    on in Bran’s world ( :

  215. Abyss
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: NG has found another great child actor!

    Yes, I really think you are right there. In Nina Gold we trust. :-)

  216. Greenjones
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:19 pm | Permalink

    I guess they’re going the creepy angle with the CotF which is preferable to loveable little chipmunks. I think they’ll tone them down somewhat, so they don’t come too far out of left field, given that the show has only mentioned them ONCE.

    Also she’s credited as “the Child of the Forest”. Does that mean there won’t be others?

  217. Abyss
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:32 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones: Also she’s credited as “the Child of the Forest”. Does that mean there won’t be others?

    I think it’s very likely by now that Leaf will take over the role of Coldhands. There might be other CotF in later seasons, but when it comes to this one, yes, I think Leaf will be the only one.

  218. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 10:37 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Also she’s credited as “the Child of the Forest”. Does that mean there won’t be others?

    I have a feeling the mysterious CotFs are going to blend into the forest, like the picture that Turncloak shared upthread. “Leaf” will probably be the only one that presents directly to Bran and Co…hopefully with CH in the mix as well.

  219. Greenjones
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah, I guess since those illustrations on their Blu-ray are done by their storyboard guy, then how they look there is probably pretty close to how they will look.

  220. Felt Pelt
    Posted November 19, 2013 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    You’re right, the chaining should happen in 10, as that’s where Daenerys’ big changes happen, especially with regards to her dragons.

    I imagine Leaf will also appear at season’s end, as a cliffhanger for the next season.

  221. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 12:34 am | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Yeah, I guess since those illustrations on their Blu-ray are done by their storyboard guy, then how they look there is probably pretty close to how they will look.

    The CotFs (and that illustration) remind me of Bev Doolittle’s “camouflage” artwork. Take a look at this example: http://www.powersource.com/gallery/bev/feyes.html It’d be cool if this effect could be translated to the Haunted Forest.

  222. Greenjones
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    It’ll be interesting to see how they handle the Children, because they are one of the most explicitly fantastical elements. I think full-on fantasy is more palatable to the average audience when couched in another genre, the White Walkers and Wights are fantastical but are played as “horror” monsters. In the same the dragons, when fans react to them the best, are played to be “action” characters.

    The Children though are full-on mystical. My guess is that they’ll couch them in horror as well. That audition seems to indicate that. Its not as though they’re not sinister in the books (especially if you look at some of those theories floating around on a Forum of Ice and Fire), but they do have a straight forward fantasy element to them that I think D&D will tone down for the casuals/Unsullied.

  223. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    So you don’t think they will have big cat eyes?

  224. Greenjones
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 1:33 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m not even sure how green they’ll actually be. I don’t think we’ll have much of a hint until the episode airs though, so I guess we keep guessing.

  225. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Greenjones,
    So you don’t think they will have big cat eyes?

    I think the makeup artists are going to have fun with her….big, highlighted eyes and camouflage.

  226. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I’m sure they will, but 4 clawed digits on each hand, that’ll prove a challenge for them.

  227. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 20, 2013 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    I guess they’re going the creepy angle with the CotF which is preferable to loveable little chipmunks.

    They ain’t ewoks! Looking forward to the disturbing “we-know-more-than-you-and-it-ain’t-pretty” element of the CotFs.

    Valyrian Plastic:
    I’m sure they will, but 4 clawed digits on each hand, that’ll prove a challenge for them.

    Ooooh, if only! Wouldn’t it be cool if they released original pre-prod sketches for various characters before the season began? They know the fans are interested.

    To me, the camouflage presentation, the eyes, the “we-know-evil” demeanor, and the unpredictability are fascinating about the CotF. They don’t have to wait for BR and the cave as well for “Leaf’s” appearance either. Looking forward to forest adventures, Craster’s and Bran-Leaf mental horseplay before they reach the cave. I’m actually just as excited about this mystical element of this season as I am the RV in KL!

  228. Bill Wilson
    Posted December 7, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Here’s the plan. Hbo currently has two and a half books for seasons 4-5. Season 6 is the precipice. Will GRRM allow narratives from book six to be incorporated in it BEFORE publishing? I say yes, and and it will be THE book for Xmas 2016. Will the author risk alienating true fans for the tease of the book? I vote yes. Too many gold dragons at stake, and winter is coming.

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