Season 3 box set details and Red Wedding bonus feature clip
By Winter Is Coming on in Media, Merchandise.

USA Today has an exclusive preview of the Game of Thrones Season 3 box set in the form of a clip from the bonus feature, “The Rains of Castamere Unveiled”. In the clip, director David Nutter and members of the cast break down the beginning of what would soon become a very bloody wedding.

In addition, USA Today also provided a rundown of the bonus features we can expect on each Season 3 set. Check them out, after the break.

Bonus stuff on the DVD includes:

- “A Gathering Storm,” a 14-minute recap of the second season;
- “The Politics of Marriage,” where cast/crew examine the institution’s place in the show;
- An “Inside the Wildlings” featurette;
- Another feature spotlighting new characters;
- Five deleted and extended scenes; and
- Twelve audio commentaries with the cast and crew.

The Blu-ray with HBO Select release includes all of the above as well as:

- An in-episode guide with character info and locations;
- The Rains of Castamere Unveiled
- The Roots of Westeros guide
- A “Histories & Lore” feature about the mythology of Westeros.

Game of Thrones: The Complete Third Season goes on sale Feb. 18 and can be pre-ordered from Amazon and the HBO Store.

Winter Is Coming: No hidden dragon eggs is a good thing. Trying to uncover them last year was a frustrating experience. Like many others here, I’d rather just have immediate access to all the content. The bonus feature list looks pretty nice. Looking forward to seeing the full Rains of Castamere featurette, the new Histories & Lore stuff and, of course, the deleted and extended scenes. What about you all?


99 Comments

  1. Friend of Fire
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Good news and first so Hodor

  2. Jentario
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Hodor or Stannis? I can’t pick!!!

  3. Chuck88
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    History and lore of House Bolton – narrated by Roose Bolton please

  4. ATG
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Chuck88:
    History and lore of House Bolton – narrated by Roose Bolton please

    Now wouldn’t that be something?

  5. D'Arcy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Please disable autoplay…

    Interesting video though.

  6. Anon
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Cant wait to see this.
    Seriously, hats off to the team involved creating this whole scene.

  7. Ozymandias
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait !
    Third season on blu-ray will be amazing to watch ;-)

  8. John
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    Why can’t they put the extended and extra scenes directly into the episodes?
    Almost every movie has an extended edition… :-(

    PS: Autoplay sucks

  9. Nezzer
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    John:
    Why can’t they put the extended and extra scenes directly into the episodes?
    Almost every movie has an extended edition… :-(

    PS: Autoplay sucks

    I think many movies and TV shows do that to give more bonus content for their box editions. I believe they even go as far as filming those scenes only to leave them as “deleted scenes”. HBO might be one of them.

  10. Icebird
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    I REALLY hope the Histories & Lore covers the Dothraki vs. Unsullied battle that Ser Jorah shares with Dany in ASoS.

    I’m paraphrasing but it went much like this… Dothraki attack a city protected by Unsullied. The Dothraki suffer a crushing defeat and the Dothraki who survived paraded themselves near the city and cut off their braids to honor the Unsullied. I think that would make for a kickass animated history. :)

  11. Winter Is Coming
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    John:
    Why can’t they put the extended and extra scenes directly into the episodes?
    Almost every movie has an extended edition… :-(

    PS: Autoplay sucks

    Eh, no thanks. Give me the original episodes and the deleted scenes as extras, please. There is a reason they weren’t included and so I’d rather they not be shoved back in to the episodes that they were cut from, potentially ruining the flow of those episodes in the process. You of all people, as a Stars Wars fan, should know how annoying it is to be forced to watch “extended” editions of a show or movie.

    And I have no control over the autoplay of the video. That’s a USA Today thing, unfortunately.

  12. Ryan
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Histories and Lore are the best!

  13. Sean C.
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    John:
    Why can’t they put the extended and extra scenes directly into the episodes?

    Well, for one thing, TV shows often disregard deleted scenes when writing future episodes, so it could create continuity issues.

    Some audio commentary guesses, using only people who’ve done commentaries before:

    3.01 – D & D
    3.02 – Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Isaac Hempstead-Wright
    3.03 – ?
    3.04 – Emilia Clarke, Alfie Allen
    3.05 – ?
    3.06 – Kit Harrington, Rose Leslie
    3.07 – Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, George R. R. Martin
    3.08 – Peter Dinklage, Lena Headey
    3.09 – Richard Madden, Michelle Fairley, David Nutter (confirmed)
    3.10 – Liam Cunningham, Carice Van Houten

  14. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Like those choices a lot (though Alfie & Gemma’s one for 202 was extremely irritating in my humble opinion). I hope they can get Diana Rigg to do one (unlikely I know), maybe one of episodes 4-6. My dream commentary would be Olenna Tyrell herself pointing out the more disappointing parts of the show in her own way (i.e. buildup to the wight battle in 210 falling short by 301). GRRM always (well he’s done it the last 2 times at least) provides one for his episode (307, I’d add Gwendoline alongside them) & 2 commentaries a-piece went to the last 2 episodes of season 2 so I imagine we’ll get that again too. D&D may provide as many as 3 commentaries, but again that’s only speculation based off what has been done thus far.

    For 303 we should have the Essos (Glen, Emmanuel, McElhinney) or Riverrun (Menzies, Russell) crew & maybe Charles Dance or Finn Jones for 305 (not sure how they’d fare when combined).

  15. Winter Is Coming
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Cogman will almost certainly be commenting on his episode. Hopefully with either NCW or Gwen Christie, so we can get their thoughts on the bath tub scene.

  16. Sean C.
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    When trying to figure out who will do commentaries, I generally assume that if somebody has been on the show a few years and hasn’t done a commentary, they probably aren’t going to start now. Iain Glen could easily have done tracks for the first two seasons, but he didn’t; same with Jack Gleeson and Charles Dance.

    I do have a decent expectation that Gwendoline Christie and Natalie Dormer might start this year; they both debuted in season 2, but in smallish parts, but had much more to do this year.

    Essos in general is very underrepresented in the commentaries. Apart from Clarke, the only person from that side of the show to ever do one is Harry Lloyd, who’s gone.

  17. erin
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    NCW and Gwen need to do a commentary together. It would be highly entertaining and hilarious.

  18. Jen@House Stark
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Just having to look at Roose Bolton’s smug expression just makes we want to shout, “laugh it up d-bag, Winter is Comiiiiiiiiiing”

  19. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    The Blu-Ray of season 1 of Vikings had extended versions for all episodes, you can choose which version to see. Mostly it’s just more blood, some dialogue and some nudity. GoT can do the same. I generally prefer extended versions, if I can get those.

    What GoT sets miss is a bloopers reel.

  20. D'Arcy
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Hey if autoplay can’t be disabled, maybe move the video into the post itself and not on the main page? So that in a few days when there’s new articles it’s not still autoplaying.

  21. Roopert
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Its quite funny seeing David Bradley dressed as Walder Frey being affable and a bit goofy saying “you just have to sit in the chair” rather than act powerful.

  22. lol
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    I pretty much buy the blu-ray sets just for the Lore and History. Season 1 was good but season 2 really kicked things up as the actors really got into character for the narrations.

  23. Efrain
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    What about the $100 Limited edition Blu-ray? Any info on that or any extra stuff?

  24. lol
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Also,

    PLEASE TURN OFF THE AUTO PLAY FOR THE VIDEO.

    Seven Hells!

  25. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    lol:
    Also,

    PLEASE TURN OFF THE AUTO PLAY FOR THE VIDEO.

    Seven Hells!

    Yeah, it’s annoying.

  26. Hounded
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    what does HBO select release mean??

  27. Ross
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    ‘Inside the wildlings’

    X-rated version of the cave scene? ;-)

  28. Ozymandias
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Ross,

    It’s on Youtube. Game of Thrones official channel :)

  29. Abyss
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    Alex Dubrovsky,

    Winter has already said that he can’t do that…
    Winter Is Coming,

  30. ATG
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Eh, no thanks. Give me the original episodes and the deleted scenes as extras, please. There is a reason they weren’t included and so I’d rather they not be shoved back in to the episodes that they were cut from, potentially ruining the flow of those episodes in the process. You of all people, as a Stars Wars fan, should know how annoying it is to be forced to watch “extended” editions of a show or movie.

    Well put and I totally agree with the SW reference.

  31. outdoorcats
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait to watch the deleted scenes and listen to all the audio commentaries.

    After I got the DVD for Season 2, I think it took me all of a few days to listen to all the commentaries. Oh, and if you haven’t already listened to the one for 2.08 ‘The Prince of Winterfell” with Michelle Fairley and Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, do so now! It’s one of the funniest things you’ll ever listen to.

  32. WildSeed
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    lol:
    Also,

    PLEASE TURN OFF THE AUTO PLAY FOR THE VIDEO.

    Seven Hells!

    ( : !!

  33. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    And I have no control over the autoplay of the video. That’s a USA Today thing, unfortunately.

    That’s not as comforting as you might think. :)
    “XSS is a beautiful thing,” said Kevin Mitnick.

  34. Lex
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 9:46 pm | Permalink

    Finally made the jump to blu-ray (my DVD player broke, and a new blu-ray player was nearly the same price, so…). Also realized it’s dumb to keep buying the DVDs, when they GOT blu-rays now include the DVDs as well.

    Excited to finally get the full amount of bonus features. Also, planning on getting the Best Buy Targaryen slipcover.

  35. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Finally made the jump to blu-ray….

    Wow…you held out for a while! Don’t forget the HDMI cable between the bluray player and the LED/Plasma monitor, and the fiber-optic cable between the bluray and the soundsystem….and if you bought a good one, the bluray can do your broadband on-demand streaming as well!

    Watch Avatar or Life of Pi in bluray and you will never look back.

    You should also be impressed with how the bluray upconverts your older DVDs as well.

  36. loki
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: There is a reason they weren’t included

    And the reason was to include them to DVDS so there would be more exclusive content.

  37. Zack
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    I wish more people thought like this in general.

    I get tired of being unable to find discs of the movies I saw in theaters, instead having to put up with ‘extended editions’ generally with scenes that were cut for a good reason. Leave deleted scenes out of the movie. More is not always better.

  38. Lex
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:33 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah, the thing that finally convinced me was the super cheap player (a Sony for $60), and the fact that most new movies these days are combo packs with both blu-ray & DVD, for nearly the same price.

    I’ve upgraded my copies of the LOTR trilogy and BBC’s Planet Earth/Life to blu-ray and they’re pretty sweet.

  39. Lex
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:35 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Good point about the terrible Star Wars added/changed scenes… however, many people (including myself) think that the Extended Editions of the Lord of the Rings trilogy are without doubt the definitive version.

  40. Zack
    Posted November 13, 2013 at 11:38 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Feh.

    The LotR EEs add a ton of great stuff but so much filler, too.

    I would love if somehow they could give us the option to cut our own version, like ‘which scenes from the extended cut do you want to include’

    Surely at least with Blu-ray the capability should be there…

  41. Lex
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Zack,

    That would be pretty cool. There’s definitely a couple scenes I would like to cut out. But overall I like about 80-90% of the new stuff in the LOTR:EEs, which include lots of extra bits from the books.

  42. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    Lex,
    I would love if somehow they could give us the option to cut our own version, like ‘which scenes from the extended cut do you want to include’

    Kudos to you. You are basically asserting that we (the customer) should be able to control the display order of the scenes as organized and stored on the disc, which should also include adding/inserting new custom material as well. Fantastic idea in theory (and bluray players currently do have that interactive capability) ….HOWEVER, the copyright and distributor’s lawyers will fight you tooth and nail to never unlock that capability to the consumer. They call it “preservation of artistic integrity and vision”.

    [For those who have seen the movie, "Memento," wouldn't you ever want to see that movie backwards?] *inside joke*

    Even the brilliant guy who rearranged/combined AFfC/ADwD chapters chronologically (to be read linearly) has to be careful not to invite the scrutiny of the author and his lawyers. Unfortunately, fans have to tread carefully regarding the alteration, or even public display, of published work.

    One of the funnier examples of this “copyright” issue is ongoing at Westeros. The new “Ser Barristan” chapter that is included in the paperback ADwD is being debated, interpreted and discussed to death…BUT if you include one paragraph of the actual text, or reference where it can be found online, you will be admonished and banned. As if GRRM and his publisher are that needy….they want absolute control over their product.

    Bluray and other upcoming interactive technologies will continue to challenge the concept of original “artistic vision and integrity.”

  43. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    For those who take the time and make the effort, that ‘capability’ is readily available. Just take a look at the countless amount of fan-made videos for Game of Thrones (and everything else) all over YouTube. I think you’re being a little too harsh in your assessment here. The creator (nor the distributors) have no obligation to present consumers with the option to alter their material with the product itself. The very idea that they do is kind of asinine, if I’m being honest. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from editing your own version of The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

  44. prosimy
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:16 am | Permalink

    305 commentary will be NCW and Gwen Christie and Bryan Cogman! http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/game-thrones-video-38

  45. vlad
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:20 am | Permalink

    Histories & Lore are the only thing I care about, but not enough to buy a DVD. I don’t know exactly why, but after season 1, I haven’t really felt the need to rewatch any episodes. Maybe a couple of scenes, but too few, and I can find them on youtube. I guess I might buy the entire collection when they finish GOT, but until then I’ll stick with my season 1 DVD.

  46. Rimshot
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    This is great news. I was hoping they would have a special feature for Ep9. There were certainly enough documentary cameras on set. This wee clip brings back fond memories of all the banter we had on set. I can see myself very briefly in the background in that clip at the 23 second mark. Looking forward to watching the whole thing.

  47. Arkash
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    prosimy:
    305 commentary will be NCW and Gwen Christie and Bryan Cogman! http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/game-thrones-video-38

    Definitly watching this one !

  48. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 5:27 am | Permalink

    Huh, according to that site they have Sophie, Maisie and Isaac doing the track for “The Climb”. What a terrible choice.

    Sophie can talk about that insulting comedy scene with Loras, and one of several instances this season where the writers cheated her out of a major dramatic scene because they don’t care enough about her character.

    Be enthralled as Isaac discusses Bran stopping Osha and Meera from arguing about rabbit skinning.

    Maisie, at least, has that bit with Melisandre, but even there they managed to pick the only episode where the Riverlands/Brotherhood plot is not focused on Arya.

  49. John
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: Eh, no thanks. Give me the original episodes and the deleted scenes as extras, please. There is a reason they weren’t included and so I’d rather they not be shoved back in to the episodes that they were cut from, potentially ruining the flow of those episodes in the process. You of all people, as a Stars Wars fan, should know how annoying it is to be forced to watch “extended” editions of a show or movie.

    And I have no control over the autoplay of the video. That’s a USA Today thing, unfortunately.

    Okay, I guess there are two kinds of “extended” versions.
    The “Star Wars edition”, which you have in mind, where the extra scenes were cut, because they weren’t as good as the rest.
    And there is the “Lord of the Rings edition”, which I had in mind, where the extra scenes where cut due to time reasons (a GOT episode should not exceed 58min).

  50. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Sophie also has her scene with Aiden to potentially delve into, but I definitely agree that this episode’s commentary should’ve gone to someone else. Dark Wings, Dark Words would be a better choice. Bran & Arya get their first scenes with Jojen and BWB respectively and Sansa meets the Queen of Thorns, plus plenty of Joffrey & Margaery-related banter. Plus it’s better if they get an episode without any sex scenes in it, as they always have to “switch off” at those bits.

  51. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    For those who take the time and make the effort, that ‘capability’ is readily available. Just take a look at the countless amount of fan-made videos for Game of Thrones (and everything else) all over YouTube. I think you’re being a little too harsh in your assessment here. The creator (nor the distributors) have no obligation to present consumers with the option to alter their material with the product itself. The very idea that they do is kind of asinine, if I’m being honest. Absolutely nothing is stopping you from editing your own version of The Lord of the Rings trilogy.

    Believe me, I am a full supporter of customizing pieces of art for humorous, summarization or other purposes. And I respect the tolerance that the industry has on online fan creativity. However, the issue that Zack & Lex raised is as follows: Could the industry allow scene-by-scene ordering/deleting and other customizations to be available as part of the bluray product itself? Even though some filmmakers/distributors are allowing folks to “select” an ending with some works, it is entirely another thing to allow consumers to alter the original work, which includes sequencing.

  52. Andrew
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Per the bbfc.co.uk site linked above, these are the audio commentary lineups, found by searching “Game of Thrones”:

    1. None

    2. Natalie Dormer, Jack Gleeson, Vanessa Taylor, Daniel Minahan

    3.1 David Benioff & DB Weiss
    AND
    3.2 Gemma Jackson & Michelle Clapton

    4. Lena Headey, Diana Rigg, Alex Graves

    5. Bryan Cogman, Nikolaj Coster Waldau, Gwendoline Christie

    6. (1) Isaac Hempstead Wright, Maisie Williams, Sophie Turner
    AND
    (2) Kit Harington, Rose Leslie, Alik Sakharov

    7. George R. R. Martin & Michelle MacLaren

    8. John Bradley, Hannah Murray, Michelle MacLaren

    9. (1) Richard Madden, Michelle Fairley, David Nutter
    AND
    (2) Tommy Dunne, Paul Herbert, Dave Forman, C.C. Smiff

    10. Emilia Clarke, Iain Glen, Iwan Rheon

    So. Freaking. Excited.

  53. Mister Stoneheart
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 1:35 pm | Permalink

    What will get me really excited is a mention of what the deleted/extended scenes are! I want the Eyrie, and more Catelyn. More Tully!

  54. Mr Fixit
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Mister Stoneheart:
    What will get me really excited is a mention of what the deleted/extended scenes are!I want the Eyrie, and more Catelyn.More Tully!

    Are the Eyrie scenes really deleted or just moved to the next season? I guess we’ll see.

  55. cosca
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    No Dinklage, Carice van Houten or Liam Cunningham? Ah well. Nikolaj and Gwen should be hilarious, and it’s nice to see Iain Glen, Natalie Dormer and Jack Gleeson get in on it.

  56. H. Stark
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:07 pm | Permalink
  57. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    H. Stark:
    This is in Spain
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KqOjbH5Dio&feature=youtu.be

    Magnífico trabajo!
    Ramin Djawadi must be so proud!

  58. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    The best director’s cut I’ve ever seen was for Ridley Scott’s Kingdom of Heaven. It took a film from barely above-average to amazing with about 40 odd minutes of additional material. But – by and large – I agree that most extended editions are nothing special.

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    The number of works where the viewer can choose the ending is incredibly limited, and a bit more than gimmicky. I guess I’m just not seeing how your point makes any sense. All of the tools to ‘customize’ your experience are already available to you. Don’t like a scene? Hit the skip button or deal with it. If it’s just one line or shot that you take issue with… I don’t know: Get over it? Edit it out yourself? Why would the creators of this content (both the creative and the business element) have any obligation to provide you with the means to edit their original material on the home video release itself? I see absolutely no reason why the creator or the distributor would want to do that, and even less reason (if that’s possible) for them to do so from an artistic standpoint.

    If you don’t like certain elements about a work, then either skip over them on your own, or edit together a version that better suits you. Again, everything you need to do so is readily available. The writer/s, the director/s, and all of the other creative talent involved are the ones who spend the time, effort, and money to put whatever you’re watching on-screen. If you take issue with certain aspects of their vision, that doesn’t mean they need to provide you (or anyone) with an option to make a more personally appealing version.

    That line of thought is so self-entitled, I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around it. It’s kind of like… ‘Well, I didn’t like the ending of 2001: A Space Odyssey, so I’m just going to cut out all the philosophical nonsense and watch a version that interests me more. What did that Kubrick guy know about what I like, anyway?’

  59. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    I guess I’m just not seeing how your point makes any sense….. Why would the creators of this content (both the creative and the business element) have any obligation to provide you with the means to edit their original material on the home video release itself?

    I understand your pov…we are in violent agreement on this! Bottom line: the industry won’t support custom end-user editing and artists probably wouldn’t either, for various reasons.

    But there are situations where it would be cool to muck with the scene organization of a film. As I mentioned earlier, “Memento” is an example. It is a brilliant murder mystery film that starts at the end and travels to the beginning (in reverse-chronological order). I was just suggesting (to those who had seen it) how cool it would be if we could use bluray to rearrange the scenes to actually see it in chronological order.

  60. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    And you absolutely can. Place the Blu-Ray into your computer drive (assuming it can read the disc), and copy the digital information. Then use whatever program you like (or have access to) to edit a version that suits your particular tastes. Personally, I’m content to allow the creators of this content present me with their intended vision, but I do enjoy watching fan-made videos (whether serious or humorous in nature).

    To use your example: If Nolan wanted the audience to experience Memento in chronological order, he would have written the film that way, and shot it that way, and edited it that way. He clearly did not. The format is part and parcel to the experience itself. That doesn’t mean everyone will (or has to) like it, but it also doesn’t mean that there should be some ‘Edit Your Version’ feature on the Blu-Ray disc.

    The industry won’t “support” end-user editing, because the options for said user to edit together their own version of something are widely and readily available. But it takes time, knowledge, and effort (to say nothing of money…) on the part of the person who is interested in doing so. And that’s how it should be. You contributed nothing to the creation/production of the work itself, so for what reason should they give you the option to create your own version of their work bundled with the product itself? It’s a film, not a lego set.

  61. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    Sean C.,
    Sophie also has her scene with Aiden to potentially delve into

    No she doesn’t. You’re thinking of “Kissed by Fire”. Her only scenes in “The Climb” are “LOL, Sansa’s dumb and Loras is gay” and “LOL, Sansa is dumb and thinks her family can come to her wedding”.

  62. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    And you absolutely can. Place the Blu-Ray into your computer drive (assuming it can read the disc), and copy the digital information….

    …You contributed nothing to the creation/production of the work itself, so for what reason should they give you the option to create your own version of their work bundled with the product itself? It’s a film, not a lego set.

    Hmmm. I can’t disagree with you but I’m nonetheless surprised. The technique of reorganizing creative content is done everywhere in media.

    Ever made a mix-tape or a mix-CD? Those songs were never sold as a collection…yet people love doing it. I always rearrange songs on my CDs/MP3s around to suit my tastes/playlists.

    How did record “scratching” get developed? It was spawned by innovative goofballs taking the original recorded material and editing it by moving the track back and forth quickly on the same medium that it was purchased on. That technique spawned a huge following in the music industry! Who is to say that can’t happen in the film industry for creative purposes? It wasn’t the original artist’s vision….yet it worked well.

    You stated that a film is not like building lego (one of my favorite pastimes). I beg to differ. Film editing is totally like lego building. Small parts got to be spliced/shaped and fit just right in order for the end product to take shape. :-)

    Sure, 3rd-party tools are awesome to use….but I can guarantee you that much more interactive capabilities will be included in future film releases, to include editing. We are continually surprised at what people can produce secondhand from original material. There are legal issues but hopefully those will be addressed accordingly .

  63. cosca
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 6:54 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    To be fair, how would Sansa have any clue about Loras being gay? I mean, it was amusing to the audience, but I don’t see how that showed that she was stupid.

  64. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    cosca:
    To be fair, how would Sansa have any clue about Loras being gay? I mean, it was amusing to the audience, but I don’t see how that showed that she was stupid.

    It makes sense that Sansa in the books doesn’t know. But in the show, she’s the only character in King’s Landing (apart from Joffrey, I guess) who doesn’t know. As a result, she comes across as dumb — the whole scene is sniggering at her for not realizing how incredibly obviously gay he is, whether or not she would know what it is or not. All Sansa’s scenes in that episode (and pretty much the entire second half of the season, apart from episode 8) do nothing but reinforce the idea that she’s an idiot. LOL, she doesn’t realize Loras is gay! LOL, she thinks her family will be allowed to come to her wedding! LOL, she doesn’t realize how awesome Tyrion is and Margaery’s attempt to have an adult conversation with her goes completely over her head! LOL, she doesn’t know the word “shit”! All of those scenes are played completely for laughs at her expense, and deny her any shred of dignity in what’s supposed to be a horrible situation for her. Particularly when they have her scene partners (Margaery, Shae, Tyrion) all acting condescendingly amused by her stupidity. Atrocious writing.

    Sansa in the show acts less mature than her book counterpart despite being two years older.

  65. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:28 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    2 be fair book Sansa is not the smartest tool in the shed either. I would argue her book version is even more naive and would have acted te same way. Do you not remember that in the book Sansa is excited because she thinks she is going to marry Loras? After saying that Oleanna calls her an idiot an reminds her that Loras is in the Kings guard and cannot marry

  66. Jordan
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I agree for the most part, except that I don’t think asking about her family coming to the Wedding is being asked out of a naive belief that they would be.

    I took it as more like a round-about-way of asking/hoping for there to be peace/a pardon for Robb through Margaery’s influence.

    It’s like when Sansa talks to Margaery about being able to visit Highgarten- sure, she’d like to go there, but what they are “really” talking about is her being able to have freedom of movement and not be a prisoner.

  67. Darkstar
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Sean C.,

    2 be fair book Sansa is not the smartest tool in the she’s either

    To be fair, let’s not forget who her father was, and how she was raised. She probably has absolutely no idea what it means to be gay.

  68. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:34 pm | Permalink

    Darkstar,

    Read my edited post. Book Sansa thought she was going to marry Loras before Oleanna calls her an idiot

  69. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    2 be fair book Sansa is not the smartest tool in the shed either

    Book Sansa is on a sharp learning curve in the first three books (she doesn’t learn as fast as people would like, but she is). Show Sansa hasn’t visibly learned much of anything.

    Take the Tyrell marriage stuff. The point of that was she learned that it was a mistake to trust the Tyrells when they ditched her after she was wed to Tyrion. The writers themselves alluded to this at the start of the season, talking about how the Tyrells had revived Sansa’s faith in chivalry. But in the show, good old Marg is her genuine pal even when the plot is foiled, so not only does Sansa not learn anything, within the show’s internal logic she isn’t supposed to. So they get all the ‘benefits’ of making Sansa act naively romantic again, without any of the character development. Because the writers only cared about that story for the plot mechanics, not for Sansa’s development, which is completely forgotten about, and her reactions ignored in favour of focusing on Tyrion.

    Turncloak: Do you not remember that in the book Sansa is excited because she thinks she is going to marry Loras? After saying that Oleanna calls her an idiot an reminds her that Loras is in the Kings guard and cannot marry

    You’re comparing a momentary mistake in a high pressure situation to a series of episodes that have her fawning over Loras while the show laughs at her for not realizing she’s gay. Which is to say, there’s no comparison.

    Jordan:
    I agree for the most part, except that I don’t think asking about her family coming to the Wedding is being asked out of a naive belief that they would be.

    I took it as more like a round-about-way of asking/hoping for there to be peace/a pardon for Robb through Margaery’s influence.

    That’s not at all how the show played it, though. Sansa is merry and upbeat in the scene, without a hint of melancholy or lack of belief it will happen, and Shae, the audience surrogate, responds to this by figuratively rolling her eyes and saying that it’s unlikely. Much like they have Shae snark on how she doesn’t realize Loras is gay.

  70. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Darkstar,

    Let’s not forget who helped raised Sansa and filled her head with fairy tales. Septa Mordane

  71. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    If Sansa would have reacted to Tyrion the way she does in the books that would have been character assasination. That’s the truth. The vitriol that would have come from non book readers (the vast majority of the audience) would have burried Sansa.

  72. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    If Sansa would have reacted to Tyrion the way she does in the books that would have been character assasination. That’s the truth. The vitriol that would have come from non book readers (the vast majority of the audience) would have burried Sansa.

    Which is a problem because the show is so obsessed with sanitizing Tyrion that it removed anything about him that she could possibly object to, and went even further by having Margaery dismiss the idea that the fact that he’s a Lannister (not to mention a senior government minister making war on her family) can even be held against him.

    Like, for instance, having Tyrion tell her about the marriage in advance, which was 100% about making him look good, at the cost of one of Sansa’s all-time best chapters. Not to mention, it allows them to substantially shift the emphasis in the wedding story, which was told entirely from her POV, to Tyrion instead.

    Turncloak:
    Let’s not forget who helped raised Sansa and filled her head with fairy tales. Septa Mordane

    The show’s version of Septa Mordane was a generally wise lady who didn’t show the slightest interest in fairy tales.

  73. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    You’re giving book Sansa too much credit. If she was presented with the option of marrying Loras by Marg, she would have acted the exact same way.

  74. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    You’re giving book Sansa too much credit. If she was presented with the option of marrying Loras by Marg, she would have acted the exact same way.

    You’re missing the point: the book does not have Sansa comically fawning over a guy who literally everybody else in the story knows is gay, and with whose gayness the audience is repeatedly beaten over the head with a sledgehammer. Whether she might have done that in the book had the scenario been different, in the sense of being eager to marry Loras (who is an actual character in the books, not a walking gay joke), is irrelevant, because that’s not what happened in the book, and the show’s changes completely strip the character of her dignity and development, which was the real point of the story. The show turned a tragedy into a farce, and undermined the character in the process.

  75. Turncloak
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Except book Sansa did comically fawn over a gay guy. In the first book of Game of Thrones and in a Storm of Swords like I mentioned before. Sansa’s major crutch in books 1 – 3 is her naivety and innocence which she very slowly starts to lose as she learns more about the game .

  76. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    Except book Sansa did comically fawn over a gay guy.

    No, she didn’t. She had a crush on Loras, whose homosexuality was only alluded to in the books, to the point where quite a few readers never picked up on. Her crush on Loras was a very schoolgirl moment, but it was not a running gag because he was gay.

    Once again, it’s a matter of emphasis. GRRM did not make this the centrepiece of Sansa’s story in book 3, because her story is supposed to be tragic, not a comic interlude. The writers turned a tragedy into a farce, undermining the character.

    It would have been easy to substitute Loras for Willas (which I think made sense in terms of economy) and still retain the tone. Having Sansa be momentarily elated at the thought of her dreams coming true (because that is a part of the story). Then have her learn that he’s gay; for Shae, for instance, or better yet, have Loras himself tell her, wanting to be honest. She is greatly disappointed, but tells him she wants to go ahead with it, to escape King’s Landing, and because she still hopes to have children at least (tie that into Cersei’s earlier advice to her in season 2). Use that to bring in the incredibly moving bit from the books where Sansa imagines her children all being named after her lost family. Then have the plot foiled, etc.

    That wouldn’t require any more screentime (or if it did, cut that awful gratuitous scene with Pod and the whores), and would give both Sansa and Loras some dignity and actual dramatic material for the season.

    Sansa’s major crutch in books 1 – 3 is her naivety and innocence which she very slowly starts to lose as she learns more about the game .

    Name one time this season where Sansa learned anything.

    On the contrary, the show has stripped out all the character development from her story arc in favour of cheap laughs and focusing on Tyrion.

  77. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    You are still the only person who I’ve seen refer to Sansa’s season 3 storyline as a comedy, where the joke is on her. Or maybe I missed another Tumblr campaign against the show’s portrayal of the second most popular character in the story(behind Catelyn, of course). And you are still wrong about the situation in the books vs the show regarding Loras. It was well known in the books, how else would Jaime and Cersei know? Furthermore, why should Sansa even know what being gay is, much less believe Loras is gay? Sansa doesn’t start to finally learn how to play the game until she leaves for the Vale with Littlefinger, and even then, she presently is nothing more than a pawn.

  78. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    So you’re telling me Sansa the genius didn’t know that kingsguard were forbidden to marry? Which is more dunderheaded, not knowing what being gay is at 14 in that society or believing that kingsguard could marry, even though that subject is exactly the type of thing Septa Mordane would have taught her about growing up a highborn Lady?

  79. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 10:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    You are still the only person who I’ve seen refer to Sansa’s season 3 storyline as a comedy, where the joke is on her.

    Long stretches of it are.

    And you are still wrong about the situation in the books vs the show regarding Loras. It was well known in the books, how else would Jaime and Cersei know?

    Missing the point yet again, namely, that the books themselves don’t make a big deal out of it.

    Furthermore, why should Sansa even know what being gay is, much less believe Loras is gay?

    Because, as the show frames it, everybody else knows, and is constantly clucking about it, even in her presence (i.e., Shae). Again, this isn’t about whether a person might plausibly not know, it’s about how the show frames it, and how that comes across to the viewer. And they quite clearly are mocking her for not knowing; you can see that because the other characters in her scenes are. Loras on the show is walking gay joke.

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    So you’re telling me Sansa the genius didn’t know that kingsguard were forbidden to marry?

    Again, momentary confusion in a stressful situation versus turning her main plot for 2/3 of the season into a big joke about how she doesn’t know Loras is gay.

  80. Zack
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 10:59 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Your remark about Memento made me remember learning awhile ago that a plan to re-order the film was underway, so I searched around and it’s been completed, and is sitting on Youtube at the moment! I’m thrilled to watch it, it’s such a great movie. Googling ‘chronological Memento’ or something should bring it up, if you’re not averse to watching movies on Youtube.

    Anyway I’m in total agreement with you here, if it’s cool for mix tapes I don’t feel visual entertainment should be above the practice.

    As an example, the way I watch Fellowship of the Ring. I’ll watch the theatrical opening narration/scenes, then switch to the extended version until the council of Elrond, and after, finish it out with the theatrical cut. It’s a bit messy but most of the best stuff from the EE was in those first bits IMO. I don’t mind doing the disc-swapping required THAT much, but an option to make it seamless would be appreciated.

    In general I would think most directors would feel pretty strongly in support of allowing the viewer a way to watch the film the way the latter would prefer. Especially in cases with theatrical cuts of movies as compared to ‘extended and unrated versions’ that just take deleted material, often cut by the director himself for pacing/story/continuity reasons, and jam it in the blu-ray as suddenly the ‘default’ version of the movie.

  81. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    I don’t remember a single time where Loras’ homosexuality was alluded to in front of Sansa. The closest is Shae responding to Sansa saying “Loras loves Green broquet” with an innocuous “I’m sure he does”. What is that supposed to mean to a sheltered 14 year old who likely doesn’t even know that such a sexual orientation exists? I didn’t once laugh at Sansa or think we were meant to. Nor did I feel like it should have been obvious to Sansa what the deal was.

  82. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:27 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    In general I would think most directors would feel pretty strongly in support of allowing the viewer a way to watch the film the way the latter would prefer.

    Combining the context of this discussion with the other “Sansa” discussion in this thread….When the GoT S3 bluray comes out, I want to edit out the scene with Sansa and Loras chatting in the garden. So pointless, so filler, so clueless. It made me throw up a bit in my mouth. Sansa deserved better. I would discard it in a heartbeat if I could and replace it with an extended shot of a bunch of wolves running around the Riverlands. :)

  83. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: Sansa’s major crutch in books 1 – 3 is her naivety and innocence which she very slowly starts to lose as she learns more about the game .

    Name one time this season where Sansa learned anything.

    On the contrary, the show has stripped out all the character development from her story arc in favour of cheap laughs and focusing on Tyrion.

    There is truth to what both of you are saying. Book Sansa and GoT Sansa are purposely
    altered, with features each of you describe. I’m in favour of the book version, but I
    reserve the hope that for what episodes remain, the writers create more character
    depth for the role.

    The real joke is whether the show skids off the runway by having Loras actively
    court Cersei. I may laugh so hard that I may crack my ribs ! GoT Loras has become
    a bit of a caricature, devoid of any brave instincts that the book depicted. Onscreen,
    I could only be shocked if Loras leads any battle, say Storm’s End, and now
    better suited for playing silly with a Whitecloak uniform
    . I know S3 gave us
    a hint of this, for amusement, but full on laughter would take place if this absurdity
    is promised for S4.

  84. Sean C.
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    I didn’t once laugh at Sansa or think we were meant to.

    You didn’t notice that pretty much all her scenes from episode 5 onward, excluding episode 8, are built around her staying dumb stuff and other character rolling their eyes?

  85. WildSeed
    Posted November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    You’re ” talking sense “, now. I thought you began worshiping Rh’llor, in another
    thread. ( : sorry, I had a brain fart, there.

    Will Sansa inherit Winterfell ? don’t answer that…… I’m not ready to find out yet *>*

  86. WildSeed
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    maybe not ” dumb “, but naive. The production really pigeon holed her into this
    damsel role. On the other hand, it could be perceived that she keeps safe her true
    feelings, unbeknownst to viewers. Sometimes the courageous thing to do is play
    along and let others presume what they will, especially if surrounded by enemies.
    The series has a long road ahead, with Sansa and Jon, in it for the long haul,
    so there’s bound to be some further growth / development. Sorry Qhorin ) :

  87. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    You’re ” talking sense “, now. I thought you began worshiping Rh’llor, in another
    thread. ( :

    Actually I alternate between R’hlorr and the Great Other, depending on what I am holding in my hand…a weizenbier (Mel) or a whiskey sour (Val).

  88. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 1:39 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    What was so dumb about what she said in ‘Second Sons’? What was there to laugh about her in that episode? The scene with her and Tyrion in ‘Mhysa’ was rather stupid now that I recall, but I took it as the writers wanting to show that perhaps she could be happy with Tyrion before completely pulling the rug out from beneath them for good.

  89. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Actually, he’s excluding episode 8. Although that makes for a pretty weak argument. “ALL (four) SCENES WITH SANSA IN THE LAST HALF OF THE SEASON (except the episode that featured her the most) SHOW HER ACTING STUPIDLY.”

    Sansa was pretty naive in the third book, and she is accurately reflected as such in the show. She believed Garlen was going to love her, and deluded herself into thinking that it had nothing to do with her claim even after she was told directly by Dontos that was why the Tyrells were interested in her. And the “Loras in the Kingsguard, can’t marry” mistake is a fine exanple of her naivete. In that world, forgetting that a Kingsguard can’t marry, even if “momentary in a stressful situation” is like forgetting Catholic priests can’t marry in a stressful situation.

    What, exactly, did Sansa learn books 1-3? She learned Joffrey was an asshole, but was still confident that Loras (and then Willas) would love her the same way she thought Joffrey would. As far as I can tell, she doesn’t really apply what she learns until after her marriage.

    Re Sansa not knowing Loras is gay: I think that’s fair, although I’m more critical of Loras’s homosexuality being so obvious and noticeable to everyone around him, probably because he’s such a stereotype. So I didn’t take it as Sansa being naive, for reasons explained better by TP.

  90. Rygar
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    I came to read about the Blu Ray and I received a debate about Sansa. Thanks for making my day! I’m gonna go watch paint dry. ;)

  91. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    I came to read about the Blu Ray and I received a debate about Sansa.

    “A WiC thread is like a box of chocolates…ya never know what yer gonna get!”
    –FG

  92. WildSeed
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for the vid-fix, WiC !

  93. Sean C.
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    What was so dumb about what she said in ‘Second Sons’?

    Read my post again, and you’ll notice that I said excluding episode 8. That episode, at least, allows her situation some gravity, though it has its own problems, namely, once again they center everything on Tyrion, and remove any hint of rebellion that Sansa shows, pretty emblematic of the utterly passive role she’s consigned to in the second and third seasons, since the show excised all of her active plot, what comparatively little there was in the book.

    Hodor Targaryen:
    What, exactly, did Sansa learn books 1-3?

    I already gave one example, where the show completely excises the point of the Tyrell plot in terms of developing Sansa’s character.

  94. WildSeed
    Posted November 15, 2013 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    ( : okay.

  95. Joshua Atreides
    Posted November 16, 2013 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Agree. “I hate TV Sansa!” Great. We’re not stopping you.
    “I think TV Sansa is fine.” Great. Enjoy.

  96. Hodor Targaryen
    Posted November 17, 2013 at 1:38 am | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Fair enough. Must have missed that comment, or forgotten about that point. Although I’d argue that it was a little dumb for book-Tyrells to just dump a very nice source of information just because their first plan concerning her didn’t work out, and it’s actually consistent of TV-Marg to continue taking advantage of her friendship with Sansa, and perhaps pump her for information when she needs to.

    And I’d say that her “lesson” from the Tyrells was similar to her “lesson” from Joffrey. She may have learned that those specific people were not as trustworthy as they seemed, but she doesn’t really apply it to her general outlook on life. Joffrey cutting off her dad’s head didn’t stop her from having fairy tale princess ideas about her marriage to Willas/Loras in the same way she used to have fairy tale princess ideas about her marriage to Joffrey. And learning that the Tyrell friendship was kind of fake didn’t stop her from trusting Dontos. What you see as character progression I see as just another event for her, which doesn’t seriously affect her as a character.

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