WinterIsComing.net joins the FanSided network
By Winter Is Coming on in General.

FanSidedHappy new year to all the WiCnet readers! We have some big site-related news to announce. WinterIsComing.net has joined the FanSided network! FanSided is a large network of fan sites, mostly sports-related, but they have been branching out to include other entertainment and pop culture sites. And now WiCnet will be among them.

So what is going to change around here? Well, we’ll finally be getting a long overdue site redesign. And you can expect many more posts than what we currently put out. And our content will proliferate across the entire FanSided network, which will result in more exposure for the site and hopefully some new readers we can welcome into the fold.

One thing that won’t change is our commitment to providing you with complete coverage of Game of Thrones!

To explain a bit more about FanSided and WiCnet’s inclusion into the network, here is Patrick Allen, FanSided’s VP of Content:

Hi WICNETers,

My name is Patrick Allen and I am FanSided’s VP of Content. I am also a WICNET reader and regular listener of GOO. As FanSided continued to branch out into the entertainment field, I decided I would approach Phil and see if he might be interested in bringing WIC to FanSided.

I’m a huge fan of the site and we’re going to work hard to help Phil continue to bring you the awesome GOT coverage you’ve come to expect here at WIC. The site will take on a similar look and feel to other FanSided entertainment sites. You can check out the layout here at our gaming site, GameSided.com.

FanSided is a network comprised of over 250 sites that cover sports and entertainment. Soon, when you come to WIC, you will also be able to easily navigate to other stories from around our network that might interest you. You will also be able to download the FanSided app, where you will be able to subscribe to WIC so that you can be notified any time the site posts a new story.

We’re really looking forward to bringing such a terrific site into the FanSided community. The changes to the layout will be coming soon so please let us know if you have any questions.

Until then, Happy New Year and be careful out there. The night is dark and full of terrors.

Winter Is Coming: I’m really excited about this! Joining up with FanSided will allow us to bring you more Game of Thrones news and rumors than ever before. And hopefully, as a result, our community will continue to grow. It’s a new year and a new era for WinterIsComing.net!


359 Comments

  1. dragonreborn
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    very good news! congratulations!!

  2. Diego
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:24 am | Permalink

    I appreciate a redesign, and although I’m wary of WiC being part of a network and what that might entail, as long as the quality of the content stays as strong as it is now, I’m good with it. Congrats!

  3. Nick_Scryer
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Good to see the site expanding and I’m happy for everyone involved but the example site given to show the new layout does not float my boat whatsoever.

    A jumbled mess of pictures and single sentences is not what I want WiC to look like, maybe its just me though :)

  4. GeekFurious
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Even though every fan site I’ve ever enjoyed that joined one of these networks goes to complete shit within a year, I congratulate you on your achievement.

  5. Watson
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Does this mean you’re switching to Disqus?

  6. Abyss
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Nope, it not just you. I don’t like the design either. But it is way to early to cry doom and gloom or in fact place any judgement on this. Joining a network could be exactly what winteriscoming.net needs right now or it could not be, we will see. All on all I am happy about it, it will be an interesting year for the site.

  7. AJC
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Judging by the GameSided site, the WiC redesign is going to include a hell of a lot more clutter and ads, then? Why redesign a blog? It does exactly what it needs to do very well. I hope FanSided take into account the vibrant comments section BTL which is a large part of the appeal of the site (for me, anyway).

  8. M
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:41 am | Permalink

    Not a fan of the idea of a redesign, but congrats on being part of a new network!

  9. Anguissette1979
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Looking at the example site from my phone but it appears that the comments are drives by Disqus. I can’t recall – does that have a spoiler bar feature?

  10. umuckurlife
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    Not stoked for a redesign. I really love the simplicity of this site. I’m sure I’ll find a way to wade through all the ads and stories that I couldn’t care less about in order to get to the content I want. I am stoked about the app, however.

  11. Howland Reed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    The example site looks terrible! Not excited about the redesign if that will be the base format. As others have noted, the simplicity and straightforwardness of both the content and the form of this site is a huge part of its appeal. I am weary of WIC loosing these foundational principles in this transition.

  12. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Can I still say Linda can suck her own without getting banned?

  13. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    I’m a sad panda, already missing the good ol’ wild, wild west days of last week. Hopefully, the energy of WiC remains after the transition.

    Happy New Year!

  14. Wastrel
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious:
    Even though every fan site I’ve ever enjoyed that joined one of these networks goes to complete shit within a year, I congratulate you on your achievement.

    Unfortunately, this is my experience as well. Redesigns that make things worse – but worst of all, because design is done by the network, the individual site loses control, so there can’t be any meaningful feedback from the users. Functionality lost, and again because changing functionality means updating the entire network, it doesn’t happen – even outright useability problems go unfixed for longer. The unique feel of the community is eroded. In exchange, we get bombarded with adverts for things we’re not interested in.
    I’ve been around for a number of these corporate takeovers now, and although sometimes people eventually come to terms with it, I’ve never been anywhere where it’s actually been welcomed.

  15. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    For that remark alone I can assure you will never be banned from House Atreides.

  16. Atomix
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been with IGN since early 2001. So many owners and redesigns umbrellas. Snowball.com, the Vault Network, Chickclick, GameSpy, Newscorp, and now UGO under ZiffDavis. If I knew you wanted to make a deal with a bigger site, I would have kicked it up to Tal.

  17. SmallSaul
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, I don’t want WIC to lose all individuality, and that is what I am afraid of happening.

  18. Dolorous Ned
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Let’s see what this will bring.

    I’d like to congratulate you, but I have to say I’m somewhat sceptical. I like WiC as it is, a simple blog with a great community and without tons of ads and social media bullshit. I hope the site won’t lose its special vibe.

    Anyway, keep up the good work!

  19. Arthur
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    I hope all WiC regulares stick around for the fun debates and analysts and don’t get lost in the mix due to this change.

  20. ATG
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Hmm dont know how I feel about this. On one hand I am happy that you guys are expanding the website on the other the example website provided is everything I dont want WiC to become.

  21. Chumpforce1
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Congrats! I think the site could use a facelift as long as it dosen’t dilute the indivduality of the content. Looking forward to increased info on GOT stories. These amount of posts these past two months were significantly lower then last year at the same time (take out the GOO) posts and its almost 1/2 fewer then last year.

    Of course a complete lack of teasers, taglines, trailers, in production vids, casting news and even a premier date could have somthing to do with the lack off posts as well.

    Any chance the new format will include a forum section?

  22. Turncloak
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:05 pm | Permalink

    Stannis is my king! You shall bend the knee Fansided!

  23. Fat Balda
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    That Gamesider site is garbage. Congrats.

  24. Chumpforce1
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    So what is the timeline for thses changes? Next few weeks?

  25. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Why does the website need a redesign? It seems fine to me

  26. Sid
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Doesn’t look good. Tried a couple brief news articles and ended up with some whacko posting about passing draconian laws for the internet.

    maybe winter is coming

  27. Mars5446
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    If you guys think it’s the right move I’m inclined to say congrats and see how it turns out, but that example site is total crap campared to wicnet lol. Less content on the page, not much of a look to it, buggy layout, an app banner AND a Home Depot ad banner, woohoo! Hopefully this’ll bring in some money for all the work you guys put into this site at least.

  28. Zack
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Hm.

    I hope you know what you’re doing. I have to echo those who’ve expressed wariness of redesigns making the experience worse/more cluttered etc, and the risk of losing individuality that often comes with this kind of territory.

    May it all work out for the best :)

  29. Cary Storm
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    It’s hard to be really excited about this. It looks highly commercialized, to be honest, and I’m not a fan of things popping up on my browser window as I visit a site. Good luck with it.

  30. Balerion
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    This news has really made me sad, as I really like the way WiC looks and feels at the moment. And looking at the exemple site doesn’t really change the way I feel, quite the opposite. Looks like fansided is exactly the kind of site I can’t stand, the page is to busy with all kind of ads or news Im not really interested in.
    I really hope this change won’t change WiC.net’s “soul”…

  31. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    So long as it is still easy to comment and interact with other fans and each post is easy to access and the archived stories are simple to navigate then I will be fine. If dealing with extra clutter from websites I don’t care about makes Phil and the gang a little cash then good for them.

  32. Greg
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Wow once again the ASOIAF fan base proves they area the most selfish, arrogant, spiteful, and unappreciative fan base of all.

  33. Melisandre
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Look to your sins, GoT fans, for the new layout will be jumbled and full of terrible ads.

  34. Veltigar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Greg:
    Wow once again the ASOIAF fan base proves they area the most selfish, arrogant, spiteful, and unappreciative fan base of all.

    *GoT fan base. This is a site dedicated to the show, not the books. Two very different things.

  35. Scott Glennon
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    100+xp 50+to Armor 75+to Weapons. Training abilities are available! Please see your trainer. ;-) … Congratulations!

    The North Remembers…

  36. Bill
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Ugh.

  37. Ashara D
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Love the current site. Hope to love the new one. Conrats, WiC! Hope it brings you much-deserved revenue. Happy New Year peeps!

  38. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Congrats on the partnership, but hopefully they’ll allow you guys to keep a similar layout for the site, because that example was hot garbage.

  39. Cosca1
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Sell-outs!

  40. john
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    The redesign is going to suck. But I’m sure we’ll all get over it…

  41. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    This is going to be an exciting time!

    It’s definitely been a little slower around here with no trailers coming out. Last year the first promo came out November 18th and then some other stuff in December. Not sure what the delay is this year.

  42. Laurentius
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Why is it selfish and arrogant to be skeptical about changes?

    Is there anyone who is navie enough to believe that extended forms of advertising isn’t a major driving force behind a change like this?

  43. Arthur
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    I think after HBO’s ‘True Detective’ debates we will see a steady increase in GoT promos.

    I can’t wait!

  44. Johan Sporre
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I’m thrilled that your hard work and dedication over 5 years is getting rewarded, but I don’t have a good experience of favourite sites joining up with bigger corporations. The GameSided layout is very busy and not as sleek as WiCnet, but if you continue to bring the best rumours, leaks and information on GoT I’m sure it’ll be good even so.

  45. HARmundGiantsbane
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    please let there still be spoiler tags in the comments…that is all

  46. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    The current site is excellent. The GameSided website is atrocious. That’s just my two cents of course – I wish you guys the best of luck with this project.

  47. Not Today
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Hm, how does this change enable you to post more news? Do you get new GoT sources through Fansided?

  48. Reektheon
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Have been a fan of this site since 2011 and check it almost daily as an app and on the computer. I want to be happy for WIC and I hate to judge before I see the finished product, but I have to say that if the redesign is anything similar to the example site – which has happened to previous indie fan sites that I used to visit – then WIC will be another that I’m afraid me and many others will walk away from. The fansided network is a jumbled mess of ads, commercials, and erroneous links that you need to wade through – and then there’s disquis – my favorite thing aavout WIC is the community which is based around these comment discussions and its layout. Please reconsider this decision (unless, of course, the redesign looks nothing like the example…. Lets hope so)

  49. Cary Storm
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    Laurentius:
    Why is it selfish and arrogant to be skeptical about changes?

    Is there anyone who is navie enough to believe that extended forms of advertising isn’t a major driving force behind a change like this?

    This. From my read, a majority of posts have said a variation of, “I don’t like this but good luck regardless,” so calling us out as “OMG HATEFUL FANBASE” is really obnoxious and unfair.

  50. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Reektheon,

    Great post. I think it might be great if wic.net get some fan feedback as to what us fans would want in the redesigned site. For example, if wic.net ran a series of polls with different questions about the design they’d get a much better picture of what we want. Of course, ensuring profitability will compromise fan ideals to some extent but taking our ideas into account will help keep the community together.

  51. Turri
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    I’m still not over the redesign of theonering.net. Works of art shouldn’t be reported on with the breathless sensationalism of sports journalism. But I’m not gonna complain before I have any reason to.

    Congratulations, anyway

  52. House Mormont
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    I don’t really care about ads, the content is more important than the layout, just gimme a forum

    On another note I finished the Sopranos and I don’t know what to do with my life now

  53. Cary Storm
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    I don’t really care about ads, the content is more important than the layout, just gimme a forum

    On another note I finished the Sopranos and I don’t know what to do with my life now

    Lillyhammer. It’s so not the same thing, but at least Stephen Van Zandt in a moderately similar role.

  54. Bunny Way
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Never mind joining bigger networks, I’ve seen more than a few sites (with varying interests) that have implemented “much needed site updates” only alienate and or lose substantial chunks of their communities due to varying causes like site shutdowns and glitches that cause people to stop clicking or just loss of the previous site’s culture. I hope for WiC’s sake that isn’t the case here.

    I, too, am curious as to how joining the larger network leads to more [quality] new postings given the current dearth is caused in large part by HBO’s near blackout of GoT news.

  55. kabhal
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Just settling in here, making my comfortable daily check of wic.net news, when suddenly I feel like someone has closed the doors and the music has changed.

  56. Lex
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Well, count me in the skeptical camp. I’ve been here since 2009, and although I’m okay with an update, I find most new re-designs truly awful. They’re usually designed for tablets and mobile interfaces, and look incredibly ugly and cluttered to me.

    For example, check out http://www.slate.com/, one of the most hideous re-designs I’ve ever seen. I used to like that site, now I can’t even look at it without feeling like I’m going to vomit.

    But anyway, it’s too early to judge, so I’ll just hope for the best.

  57. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    And? Thoughts on the epic final scene?

  58. Put Ned to Bed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Yep, when I think Game of Thrones, I think sports.

    Round peg.

    Square hole.

  59. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    For those worried about the ads, download adblock plus. It’s fast and it’s free. Everyone should get it. They allow only nonintrusive ads through and if enough people download it, websites and advertisers might finally be forced to stop with the obnoxious pop ups, huge banners and soul killing self playing video ads.

  60. PCB
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    I’m so sick of these “network” sites and their click baiting. I wish these companies and websites would create something positive instead of trying to make money off rearranging and linking other people’s content. I understand why you would want a partnership but good lord they’re annoying.

    I came to WIC because I appreciated how you generated content, and while I know that will remain the core, it will be wrapped around by one of these network sites and I wont feel like digging through.

    I’m curious how this will let you post more content? It seems like there is a finite amount of actual meaningful GoT news that you do a great job covering. Polls, lists, aggregates are fine in moderation but they are not actual content. This wont create more casting rumors or anything… Other than exposure what are you getting out of this?

    Inevitably I’m going to come to WIC far less. It always happens when my favorite sites join things like this. One site that I wrote for did this as well and it was just sad to watch crumble.

    I didn’t mean write so negatively here, so to end this I would like to encourage WiC, FaB, and all the rest: Make decisions moving forward that are best for WIC and the community here. FanSided will make decisions for your site but it’s never in your best interest so have courage.

    You’re in a “partnership” now. But in reality they’re holding your site hostage. At times it will seem like you’re Balon Greyjoy and FanSided is Ned Stark. They will have ultimate control of your Theon (WIC). Its going to be hard to disagree or stand up for yourself. But you have to stand up for your site. And if FanSided every goes belly up or reduces their entertainment division, you’ll get your Theon back, but he’ll be unrecognizable to you. I encourage you to accept him anyway so he doesn’t try to go march on Winterfell :P.

  61. Zack
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    PCB: I’m curious how this will let you post more content? It seems like there is a finite amount of actual meaningful GoT news that you do a great job covering. Polls, lists, aggregates are fine in moderation but they are not actual content. This wont create more casting rumors or anything… Other than exposure what are you getting out of this?

    Yep. This was my reaction as well, although one option may be that this gives them the money (and free time that comes with it) to be able to write more frequent, in-depth analysis and opinion pieces about some aspect or other.

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I already use AdBlock Plus (with exemptions for my favorite sites, in most cases) so when I looked at that preview site ads and popups were already taken care of and didn’t faction into my instant, crushing dislike of the site. Rather, it was the desperately cramming every square inch of the page with SOMETHING. I like blank space, clean lines. Overly ‘busy’ sites are just an irritation and if that’s WiC’s future…not good.

  62. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    I’m with everyone else that the example site was a hideous monstrosity. Maybe a redesign similar to the Gawker Media sites would work better? As somebody above pointed out, the Slate redesign is notoriously awful and it seems like they lost a lot of readers.

    Hopefully when WIC does it they will take our opinions into account.

    One other worry I have is that connecting to a larger site will increase the troll traffic. Comment sections can be a hellish sea of racism, sexism and homophobia and I really don’t this community, which is largely nice and welcoming to turn into that. I don’t want this place on the radars of people that aren’t even fans of the show or at least the books. I don’t agree with the purists but don’t mind their contributions, I just don’t want the comment sections veering way off topic

    Maybe I’m just being paranoid?

    I will learn to live with a busted redesign if we are able to get a forum though.

  63. DH87
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Forget the pop-ups: these redesigns are first and foremost a way to bushwack the reader into clicking on advertorial, sponsored links, and other paid/promotional content. Both Slate and the Gamesided site “look and feel” dated, cheap, and crowded with editorially worthless images (logos, etc.). The tiny vertical tab headers for News, Links, Sponsored, etc. make it impossible for the reader to find, then ignore, non-sponsored content.

    That said, Phil, you and your team have worked very hard for no compensation for years. Thanks very much for that. If you are cashing out in some way, you deserve it. If you truly think this is a step that will improve the site experience….. good luck with that.

  64. NipplesonaBreastplat
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Happy New Year everyone!
    I really like the simplicity of WiC.net and think it’s going to be way more difficult to find the latest on the show I love. Maybe I’m wrong…hope I’m wrong…I’ll try anything, once!
    It just seems that there’s so much content on Fansided that GoT info will get lost in the shuffle. Good luck with it, regardless!

  65. GG
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Anyone who has visited any of the major non-specific fan sites knows that there are loads of douches out there, who just love to post spoilers in the comments and ruin the series for Unsullied people. So far, they haven’t shown up here on WiC. I just hope joining FanSided doesn’t attract them. I hate trolls with an unbridled passion >:(

    That aside, congrats guys :D I love WiC and you deserve all the success you’re getting. Here’s to g(l)orious 2014. WiC.net Growing Strong

  66. Put Ned to Bed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    One other worry I have is that connecting to a larger site will increase the troll traffic.Comment sections can be a hellish sea of racism, sexism and homophobia and I really don’t this community, which is largely nice and welcoming to turn into that.I don’t want this place on the radars of people that aren’t even fans of the show or at least the books.I don’t agree with the purists but don’t mind their contributions, I just don’t want the comment sections veering way off topic

    Maybe I’m just being paranoid?

    I think you’re spot on.

  67. m3shwerks
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Happy New Year everyone.

    A while ago WIC asked for feedback on what we wanted to see in a redesign of the site in one of the discussions. Is WIC taking this feedback into consideration for the new site? I hope so because I saw some good suggetions from people on that. Good luck and congrats.

  68. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Surely, the wic doctors should be reimbursed for all their hard work. It is tough to argue with that. This site, however, has been like a brilliant ruby comet blazing over a night sky… Even for lurkers such as myself. So simple, so devoid of bullshit (except Rygar; whom I love). With this partnership we can all expect this to change, and I’m happy people are speaking up.
    The corporate fist is about as crushing as the mountain’s…
    And wicnet is about to get well and truly fisted.

  69. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Abyss,

    ditto.

  70. Knurk
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Haven’t commented in months, but if the site is going to look even remotely like the shit example, my brain won’t allow me to visit this site anymore. I would have had more respect for you guys if you said instead of

    I’m really excited about this! Joining up with FanSided will allow us to bring you more Game of Thrones news and rumors than ever before. And hopefully, as a result, our community will continue to grow. It’s a new year and a new era for WinterIsComing.net!

    said

    I’m really excited about this! Joining up with FanSided will allow us to cash in on all the hard work we’ve done over there years. And hopefully not too many of you guys will run away from this horrible new format we’re going to bring you. It’s a new year and a new era for WinterIsComing.net!

  71. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    I believe this was done several months ago, and archived here in a specified section.
    The thread ran very long with suggestions. No followup was offered .

  72. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Hi everyone,

    Thanks for the feedback on the site design and the network. I wanted to drop you all another line to let you know that we are reading all the feedback and taking your opinions into account.

    I know it may seem like FanSided is some huge company but that isn’t exactly the case. We were started by two brothers that launched a Kansas City Chiefs site back in 2007. The site came into existence much for the same reasons that WIC did. The brothers wanted to bring news and opinions to Chiefs fans and they felt the national media didn’t really cover their favorite team all that well.

    FanSided is still owned and operated by these two brothers. They have grown the company but we are independently owned and do not answer to a large corporation. We are an unfunded, bootstrapped startup.

    We redesigned our sites in this manner because with over 250 sites, we wanted to make our content as accessible as possible to readers regardless of what site they landed on. Landing on Hidden Remote on a Game of Thrones story, for instance, could lead a new reader to WIC because relevant stories would show up in the Around the Network section.

    We are always trying to strike a balance with ads and so forth. We’ve very conscious of it and try to make them as unobtrusive as possible. We do have to make money and so the ads are necessary but we always try to put our readers first.

    We have no intention of blowing up the site or causing a bunch of negative changes. We do want to increase the frequency of content to help further enrich the community and inform the discussion. That doesn’t mean making up stories or anything like that. But we will try to give the site resources to ensure that there are plenty of quality staffers (in addition to those already on board) that will help catch every bit of GOT news out there. There may be more columnists as well, that will weigh in and help fuel discussion and debate.

    All of our sites typically have the same design, however we understand that there is a rich and vibrant community here that feels ownership over the site. We will certainly consider the community and we may be able to make some adjustments to develop a site that meets reader approval.

    As for the commenting system, it doesn’t have to be Disquss. The commenting system here seems to work great and we have already begun to discuss keeping it.

    There will be some changes and we know that change isn’t always popular but we do hope to demonstrate to you that we do not intent to ruin WIC, only improve it and offer the site more support.

    We will keep you, the readers, in the loops on all changes and your feedback will always be welcome.

    Thank!

    Patrick

  73. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone else find it a bit dubious that this Patrick of House Allen seems to be devoted to R’hollor?

  74. Summer is Coming
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:39 pm | Permalink

    Keep it simple WiC! Make adjustments to the site. It needs it. But don’t change the familiarity in it. Keep the… cozy -ness in it. Bringing ads it’s understandable, but do it moderately. No one likes ads…

    I really hope this change won’t dispel the wonderful community that you gathered here WiC. This site is truly one of a kind in our GoT-obsessed world! We all know it. Happy new year, and all the luck and success in this new.. era.

  75. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen: We will certainly consider the community and we may be able to make some adjustments to develop a site that meets reader approval.

    Patrick Allen: We do have to make money and so the ads are necessary but we always try to put our readers first.

    Thanks for acknowledging our concerns, and I hope there remains a balance to be
    struck.

  76. dio westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    I say give it a chance…. I like how we have already gotten a response to the overwhelming concern. I respect Patricks quick reply and think it is only fair not to judge before we even see what this brings to the table… New rumors maybe earlier casting clues… More discussions and debates from a wider demographic… I like sports and love GOT… Many do. Im sure wic will still maintain control and the current format. Change can be tough but it is also the only way to grow…. I have checked this site many times seeing no new updates at all… I welcome the capability for that to no longer be a problem. Progress is better than regression or remaining stagnant. Wic needs and deserves more attention and partnerships enable that.

  77. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Ok, I feel kinda bad about that last comment. Kinda.

    Patrick, you seem cool. It’s just……. let’s be real. NOBODY likes ads that do not pertain to them. I don’t even like the ads that do pertain to me. I think regardless of the size, or the roots of Fansided (which is impressive if what you say is true), people are generally skeptical of “umbrella” companies coming in and streamlining design and content. You can call it a partnership, either way it is a change and a relinquishment of some level of sovereignty. This will be an adjustment for readers.
    Ultimately, advertising is what keeps most entertainment formats running, so be it. Hopefully the transition is smooth and well executed, or many readers may back off.

    Oh, and GO HAWKS! We reclaimed that world record for volume the fans in Kansas City tried to steal. We like it LOUD!!!

  78. Atreyu
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    In addition to adblock, I highly recommend anyone considering visiting that site to get decent spyware and malware protection. Sprawling sites such as the one being discussed are often riddled with that garbage. Even if the owners don’t condone it, they have a hard time controlling it.

  79. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    And also, thank you Patrick for weighing in.

    Any hope for a forum?

  80. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    I am going to make dinner.

    When I come back I expect this entire thread to have been just a nightmare and vanish into my next perverted thought.

  81. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    We have a few sites with forums and can certainly look at adding one for the community. Here is an example of one that we have on our 2nd ever site, Phin Phanatic.

    http://www.phinatics.com/index.php/forum/recent

    The guy that runs that site, Brian, is our very first blogger. He is still with us today.

  82. DH87
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    I’ve read Patrick’s most recent long comment. I suspect this will be one of the last—perhaps even the last— posts where many of us will ever meet at WiC, and I say this with no snark intended.

    I want to bid farewell to the posters and contributors here, with thanks to those who have tolerated my sanctimoniousness as well as to those who have agreed with me, such as Arthur, Wild Seed, our wee Bryan, and others, too.

    Good luck to all, particularly Phil and the other WiC Big Guns. Adieu.

  83. Black as Snow
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    Yo Chief! Said like a true corporate shill. “I hear your concerns, now shut up so we can do exactly what we were planning to do anyway.”

    I don’t post here a lot. I’m unsullied, and this isn’t a very unsullied-friendly site. But when the season starts again, and the unsullied posts come back, I won’t be here if this becomes a flashy, commercialized site that takes all day to load because of all the crap that runs when you go there. God knows, we don’t need more corporate, money-grubbing content on the places we visit in our leisure time. I’m glad there are GoT forums out there that won’t sell out. I’m out.

  84. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    No ads at wicgeeks.com. ;). Come vote on our new name.

    Chat feature, llamas, and the best plate of pie around.

  85. JamesL
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    I don’t like that layout and I hate disqus. Do you have to redesign just because you joined “FanSided”? I would prefer if the site layout stayed the same.

  86. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Black as Snow,

    Not sure where you got “shut up” from my comment, exactly. If I wasn’t clear enough, I apologize.

  87. Zack
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Black as Snow,

    I’d say you’re probably overreacting. It was a pretty lengthy post for merely being corporate doublespeak or whatever, so I’ll remain hopeful that the site won’t be too drastically altered, and we’ll just get to look forward to more frequent articles and perhaps a forum. And, of course, increased readership.

    In the event that the site becomes an eyesore, though, I may stop coming but I’m sure you’ll make up for any exodus of current visitors with the new ones you’ll surely gain from the partnership. It’s best to reserve final judgment until we actually see the redesign though.

    And, on a personal note, congratulations Phil. Nice guys deserve success, and I still remember you contacting me and asking how you could send me that keychain from the meetup that I forgot to pick up when I left. Still use it to this day as my primary keychain.

  88. GeekFurious
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    This is a money grab. And it is understandable. If you make something people like and you put tons of effort into it, you SHOULD get paid. And people don’t really donate (even though they tell you to put up a donation page and then NEVER EVER use it… believe me, I know).

    So this is an option that allows you to keep doing what you have been doing, but for actual pay. So I completely understand the mindset behind doing this, having been in a somewhat similar situation once.

    But everyone and everything is replaceable. And someone is bound to deliver very similar, if not superior content, on another fan site, with less ads and annoyances.

  89. amplifyme
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    I very rarely comment but I’ve been lurking here for ages and wic.net is a site I visit on a daily basis. I appreciate the streamlined design and lack of clutter, along with how easy it is to search the archives for older posts. I hate the idea of losing any of that, but I guess change is inevitable. I’m willing to wait and see what happens, but if this place ends up looking anything like the layout you guys linked, you’re going to have a hard time selling me on it. I don’t get why webpage designers feel the need to bombard viewers with as much content as they can possibly cram onto a single page. Not all of us suffer from internet based ADD. Some of us like to be able to open a page and relax instead.

  90. mariamb
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    amplifyme:
    I very rarely comment but I’ve been lurking here for ages and wic.net is a site I visit on a daily basis. I appreciate the streamlined design and lack of clutter, along with how easy it is to search the archives for older posts. I hate the idea of losing any of that, but I guess change is inevitable. I’m willing to wait and see what happens, but if this place ends up looking anything like the layout you guys linked, you’re going to have a hard time selling me on it. I don’t get why webpage designers feel the need to bombard viewers with as much content as they can possibly cram onto a single page. Not all of us suffer from internet based ADD. Some of us like to be able to open a page and relax instead.

    Well said! I am very skeptical of this redesign as well. I hate the look of the linked page – its so typical of what some believe passes for quality web design.

    I visit this site nearly every day to check on GOT news and read over discussions. This has been an extraordinarily well-run fan site. One of its key strengths has been its ease of navigation and its lack of “noise.” It seems like that will be a thing of the past. I am willing to be patient but I am not encouraged.

    Phil and the gang at WiC work hard to make this site work. How much will they still be involved? Will they be stepping back and allowing others at FanSided to control content?

    Good luck, I guess.

  91. Tessa_Leonie
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    As a blogger myself I get it. Money does need to be made. However please don’t go Slate on us. A redesign should prioritize the quality of the site itself, the readability, the community, etc etc. It shouldn’t prioritize every single sneaky method of getting people to click on ads. You might get a lot of extra clicks through the network but a large attraction of this site are the bottom supporters, in the comments they create a lot of content that keeps people on the site for longer. Put the quality of the site first, and you should be OK.

  92. Arthur
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Hello Patrick,

    Many of us check into WiC many times a day, from our smart phones, to see what’s brewing in the GoT fanbase. My main concern is navigation. Trying to X out of popup adds and the like is very frustrating. If you could possible keep this comment forum the same and make it kind of like a safe haven from popups, once we get into the actual thread that would be very helpful…

    Many of us have been coming to this site for years to voice our opinions and excitement/frustration from the show. It would be a shame to lose many regular posters that may leave due to frustration with adds, along with difficult and time consuming navigation.

    I’m sure you can offer a platform that will entice new traffic but I’m very happy with the old traffic and if someone hasn’t actively looked for a GoT fan site and found WiC by now, than chances are they aren’t as passionate about GoT as all the WiC regulares are.

    Please keep this in mind and try to incoperate as much of the WiC.net format that you can. If you do this I think you will be able to retain a huge percentage of WiC regulars while introducing new traffic.

    Thanks for reading our posts and taking into account our opinions on this matter.

  93. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    well stated ser .

  94. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen:
    Black as Snow,

    Not sure where you got “shut up” from my comment, exactly. If I wasn’t clear enough, I apologize.

    I believe she is smart enough to read between the lines. Get rid of your ads and I will follow. If not, suck a fuck. I apologize if I am not clear.

  95. Anguissette1979
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen: As for the commenting system, it doesn’t have to be Disquss. The commenting system here seems to work great and we have already begun to discuss keeping it.

    Actually, the commenting is the only thing that I think could actually USE some improvement (threaded conversations and don’t lose the spoiler tags, pretty please!).

    As a Wicnet fan I do appreciate you taking the time to stop by and post some more info – there are always two sides to every story. While I’m still wary/skeptical I will reserve judgement until I see the final product. I wish WinterPhil, Fabulous FaBio, and the rest of the gang the best of luck in maintaining their identity.

  96. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    Patrick,
    Who knew little old sister wrister such as myself would garner a reply from you? Thank you, sincerely, and gods be good.

    I visited the… cough cough… Dolphins site….

    Decent forum, tho pretty vacant as far as contributors (maybe that’s cuz the dolphins suck… Or maybe just limited demographics in a small region)… Otherwise, looks like a strait-forward, basic forum. No real noise to speak of, other than the belligerence of the fans of a crappy team.
    The home page….. Man, it sucks “seadog” dick. Do they really call themselves that??? I digress.
    There are ads on the post thread, between posts. They are not even relegated to sidebars where they really should reside. And why the fuck is there an ad for the “best deal on tow trailers” in Idaho, in between posts for a Miami football team? I’m in Seattle, still a long way from Idaho.
    I dunno man. I appreciate your words of encouragement. But I’m not eating your pie (rygar’s on the other hand)…

  97. Veltigar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Just like the Tully’s of Riverrun after Aegon’s Landing I would like to take this chance to welcome our new Evil Overlords. Let us rise in rebellion against House Hoare and drive the Ironborn back into the sea! In return the only thing I ask is being made Lord Paramount of the comment section :p

    But enough joking around, let’s talk about the topic at hand.

    I’m voting against a ‘thread’ feature. The long comment section on WIC.net is one of the major charmes of this site and the primary reason why I discuss the show here and not over at Westeros.org.

    It’s easy to use and to keep track off (not much chance to miss an interesting thread), while still maintaining some level of surprise which you lose in a segragated thread system.

    If fansided is thinking about making changes in the comment section I advise them to look into the mobile version. I don’t know if I’m the only one but on the mobile version, when clicking on a posters name in the recent comments list it just brings me to the first post of the comment section instead of to the specific post I wanted to read. That should be improved.

    To all the overly concerned people: relax, and take a chill pill. If the changes turn out to suck balls we’ll just take our business elsewhere. A new center will then arise from the ashes to become the number one center for GoT-related news and there we shall all meet again. But not yet, not yet (some appropriate music for that occasion) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xButjfhZWVU

  98. LordStarkington
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    As someone who has seen a couple of communities die on them after these kinds of agreements (and having seen what kind of posters this might bring in)… I’m a bit leery…but on the other hand you guys do a crapton of work for very little gain so I don’t begrudge that.

    Like others have said, please don’t change the site to look like a generic content aggregator. If there’s no news I’m fine with that – I prefer quality over quantity. Comments wise…Disqus is a major headache on the other site I use it on (AV Club), though I wouldn’t mind a more robust commenting system.

    Not really thrilled by this, but I’m keeping an open mind.

  99. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    I usually appreciate your humor on here… but you are being flat out disrespectful and childish. I seriously think some of you on here are either naive or just ignorant. Maybe illiterate as well? This wasn’t a post by WIC saying they were bullied and distraught over some corporate takeover… They were happy about getting the opportunity to expand and get a partner out of it. I have been to the other sites and they are not that bad. We havent even seen what the WIC version will be yet. The guy Patrick came on here quickly, respectfully and intelligently to explain and even APOLOGIZE for the concerns. Where in the hell you sensed anything arrogant or condescending from his post is what causes me to think people must be illiterate to get anything even remotely negative out of anything he said.

    That Phinatics site is VERY easy to navigate…. it has specific months to go through on the left if you are trying to find past content. They have a live chat feed that is done through games apparently that would work EXTREMELY well with live episodes of GOT. Every few days there is a lengthy article… They have the ability to create the long desired FORUM we all want… Give them the benefit of the doubt. WIC has easily incorporated a mobile site interface as well as a computer based one… westeros.org has done the same…. Give these people the chance to do it too. This is as pathetic as judging a cast member before even seeing them on the show. Instead of acting like children… why not say “Hey Patrick could you add a forum? Make a mobile version of the UI for easy navigation?” They already said they like the current comment format…. so that will likely remain. Why wouldnt other elements remain also? WIC is still going to be doing the site!!!!! They werent corporately strongarmed out and switched to new management…. Both entities are very similar… one is just much more diverse and wants to help WIC to get there also.

    And stop being damn hypocrites….WIC has ads too. A mobile interface can absolutely be implemented and would help with ad content.. Not to mention the regular browser interface is hardly harassing me on my screen with ad content. Judge when we see the new format. I dont know wtf this guy would have had to say to get support here… all he did was show enthusiasm… positivity… a desire to remain with the WIC roots… and prompt replies to most peoples overwhelmingly unnecessary critiques of a project that doesnt even exist yet.

    People should be ashamed of themselves. People running WIC were probably thrilled about this opportunity and probably already had great plans to bring all the things we want to this site, but we gave a whole 48 seconds after just being TOLD about it before people went on their little tirades saying goodbye to the site… Yeah thats real support right there. Disgusting. Good luck WIC I hope this transition works well for you guys. Patrick and Co I hope you take the requests and rational suggestions to heart when making decisions for the new format. Ads are necessary but its the users/readers that make a forum/site successful. Find a way to make the site fit all necessary formats for it to be minimally invasive and still satisfy the needed quota for adspace.

  100. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Tessa, very good point. Arthur, well said.

    Patrick,
    You mentioned “a few” of your sites having forums.
    If your “collection” of fan sites is under the umbrella of a company called “fansided” shouldn’t you make the discussion between fans, the interaction between fans, THE priority?
    Phinfan, the site you linked above, joined Phinfan Facebook in September, after “searching for years” for the right fit. The site partnered with a facebook group with 700 members with the promise of “more content”. The forum there is sporting threads that thus far are averaging single digit replies… Sounds engaging! More content seems to be really working. All this on your second of 250? sites in your network. Sorry, really, nothing personal.
    This site (wicnet) is notable for it’s simplicity, and it’s community. People come here to discuss content, not get bombed with bullshit parading as content. Click baiting sucks, and is not effective anyway. Auto vids also suck, and just turn people off.
    I fear it may take a kiss of fire to bring this place back to life. And even then she may be wearing a hood for awhile….

  101. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Dio Westeros,

    Nanny nanny poo poo. Now YOU have cooties.

    And I’m a straight shooter. I don’t sugar coat. Sorry but I use my mobile when on here and am not harassed by ads.

  102. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Now that was just cold….

  103. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Do you have any other examples of more populated/successful pages/links of yours that shows the potential you guys bring to the table of bringing in more of a demographic? The examples you showed were more for the aesthetics and physical appearance, im sure, since thats what was in question, but can we see how popular some of your other pages are just for the sake of showing what kind of community you can cause to flock to your pages?

  104. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Dio Westeros,

    Nah cooties are warm and fuzzy. And I have my shots so I am immune. Kiss and make up?

  105. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Dio Westeros,

    Nanny nanny poo poo.Now YOU have cooties.

    And I’m a straight shooter.I don’t sugar coat.Sorry but I use my mobile when on here and am not harassed by ads.

    Judging a book by the cover is one thing but we havent even seen the cover yet…

  106. Atreyu
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Thank you for posting to winteriscoming.net, your comment is very important to us. Please hold while a crawlerbot harvests your browsing habits that we might adjust our pop-up and banner ads to best suit your preferences.

  107. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Dio Westeros,

    Dio Westeros: Judging a book by the cover is one thing but we havent even seen the cover yet…

    No? Have you seen the example? Unless it changes from that, then I won’t visit. Premature? Maybe. But it doesn’t change the fact that I and others can voice our displeasure with corporate marketing.

  108. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:39 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister:
    Tessa, very good point.Arthur, well said.

    Patrick,
    You mentioned “a few” of your sites having forums.
    If your “collection” of fan sites is under the umbrella of a company called “fansided” shouldn’t you make the discussion between fans, the interaction between fans, THE priority?
    Phinfan, the site you linked above, joined Phinfan Facebook in September, after “searching for years” for the right fit.The site partnered with a facebook group with 700 members with the promise of “more content”.The forum there is sporting threads that thus far are averaging single digit replies… Sounds engaging!More content seems to be really working.All this on your second of 250? sites in your network.Sorry, really, nothing personal.
    This site (wicnet) is notable for it’s simplicity, and it’s community.People come here to discuss content, not get bombed with bullshit parading as content.Click baiting sucks, and is not effective anyway.Auto vids also suck, and just turn people off.
    I fear it may take a kiss of fire to bring this place back to life.And even then she may be wearing a hood for awhile….

    Eh…. have you gone to WICgeeks.com? I like that site and the people running it… but it isnt as if their site has thousands upon thousands of posts. There are topics that have like 8 comments that are between 4 different posters… 2 of which are mods on the site. Even WIC here has topics that have barely any comments… and when there are a lot it is very often the same few people just commenting often. We bring a lot of people to the table.. I went through and checked some of their sides on FanSided and some are very attractive. It is worth at least giving it a chance before utter condemnation.

  109. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Dio Westeros,

    Nah cooties are warm and fuzzy.And I have my shots so I am immune.Kiss and make up?

    Obviously.

  110. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Thanks for listening to us – it’s much appreciated.

    All of our sites typically have the same design, however we understand that there is a rich and vibrant community here that feels ownership over the site. We will certainly consider the community and we may be able to make some adjustments to develop a site that meets reader approval.

    This is far and away my main concern. Quite simply, if the new wic.net looks like GameSided I won’t be turning up anymore. I know you guys need money from ads but there has got to be a way of getting money from wic.net without making such drastic changes to the layout.

    WildSeed,

    Ah, must have missed that.

    Also, I love the use of GoT analogies in the comments.

  111. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:41 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Dio Westeros,

    No?Have you seen the example?Unless it changes from that, then I won’t visit.Premature?Maybe.But it doesn’t change the fact that I and others can voice our displeasure with corporate marketing.

    Thats why I asked for more examples also from Patrick. Those were also sites that were made by people other than WIC. WIC has a big say in format and we are hopefully bringing over a lot of what the site already is to that server now.

  112. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    This is a bummer man.

    I sense a dance in the near future

  113. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:44 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    THE PLANE HAS CRASHED INTO THE MOUNTAIN!

  114. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    But http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/What_445125_1608933.jpg

    Seriously though, I am rather hesitant about this. There are some aspects of the site that I have thought were in need of an update for some time, but I am worried about the impact this will have on the comment area and the platform for discussion that we have here.

  115. Zack
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    The problem with threaded comments (not that I’m wholly against the idea, mind you) is that replies to comments that we read a day or two prior may go unseen as we skip down to unread NEW comments.

    Unthreaded comment sections ensure that every comment gets noticed.

    But, like I said I am persuadable. The merits are that it keeps discussions on a small, but related topic, together and the discussion is easier to follow if you actively keep tabs on those threads which do interest you.

    If it were left to me to make the call, however, the comment section here would remain untouched. Disqus is awful.

    I would add a forum before I changed article replies to a threaded system. That way there is something for everybody.

  116. Arthur
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The only thing I fear is the very nature of what the future of WiC.net will bring.

    If it is true and WiC is entering into a corporate venture, than what will happen is that this fanbased site that is designed primarily with fan interactions in mind will turn into a corporate mindset with profitability in mind over all else.

    That’s my only fear…

    That we will be bombarded by adds and popups and the WiC primary purpose will be to generate revenue instead of fan discussion and interaction. That’s what generally happens with a corporate merger…

    Ill reserve judgement until I see what the new WiC site will bring but I hope it doesn’t become another example of a profite driven website that ultimately loses its appeal to the fanbase because of this.

  117. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    You see what happens?? You see what happens?!!!

  118. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Zack, I hear ya. And I’m with ya.

    Aurthur, don’t forget atreyu’s crawlerbots.

    Maybe, just maybe, we are in the process of forging lightbringer…..
    ….Just trying to stay positive

  119. Veltigar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    Since I don’t want to wait for moderation:

    Patrick Allen

    About the increase in content, some warnings and suggestions:

    1) Suggestion: Perhaps, you guys should recruit more than one Unsullied to comment on episodes and to make predictions. Let them make their initial predictions/comment seperate from each other and then let them discuss it and see to what results that leads.

    2) Suggestion: If you could find some respected professionals (DP’s, Costume designers, VFX specialists, arms experts, etc.) to comment on the work of the crew in GoT that would be sweet. Especially if you can give it a bit of an educational spin.

    For example I would love to hear a respected DP break down GoT’s style of filming scene by scene, introducing the lingo of the profession to us and explaining why he/she thinks the DP made the choice to use that angle or that type of lense and how these decissions impacted the way we as viewers experience the story (And while I’m busy dreaming I’ll just throw the name Roger Deakins out there).

    3) Suggestion: Besides more cowbell, this site desparatly needs more John Bradley (the guy who plays Samwell). He’s a stand-out bloke and really funny. Some inside information or just him musing about stuff would make a very interesting read. He’s the only actor on the entire show who brings something new to the table everytime he’s interviewed, the rest are often on auto-pilot. If you could get him to write a column that would be awesome.

    4) Suggestion: Bring reforms to the WiC.net awards. They are in desperate need of that. Especially the Quotes category was atrocious this year.

    5) Warning: I don’t really see much possibility for added content aside from what was mentioned in the above points. Casting rumors stay the same with or without your input.

    Perhaps you guys could bring in new interviews with members of the Cast & Crew, but to be honest the popular actors (like Sophie, Liam, Maisie, etc.) pretty much always say the same things in those and thus the interviews aren’t that interesting (note: I’m not bashing the actors. They are lovely people, but after answering the same question for like 20000 times it’s normal that they slip into a routine).

    I would also hope that you don’t add new contributors who turn out to be selfserving pricks, and who only care about how big of a circlejerk about how awesome their opinions are they can get going.

  120. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Hey man there’s a beverage here

  121. Cary Storm
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:04 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    It’s okay, SW. It will all be okay. Here, have some refreshing, delicious Kool-Aid for that anxiety.

  122. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm,
    No thanks. I don’t wanna end up running down Mailbu with no pants on.
    He does make one hellova Caucasian tho

  123. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    And that was NOT a reference to the white savior controversy.

    Maybe if we start that over, fan sided will back out

  124. Rygar
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:41 pm | Permalink

    Let me know if you find the Creedence.

  125. Charles
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    As a long time lurker. Really not liking this at all. The design of the examples site looks awful, cluttered and full of ads, heaven and earth apart from the WIC of now.

  126. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 8:56 pm | Permalink

    I’m scared. Would somebody hold me?

  127. Gez
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:08 pm | Permalink

    Good luck with the move. These things don’t always go as planned.

    Like many others – I don’t like the re-design (or what it potentially will look like anyway). The sad thing is – the current WIC layout is simple and perfect. Much easier to read on computer or phone.

    However, I can understand the ads – these guys have to make money too. It will just take some time to adjust.

    Hopefully it all works out well.

  128. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,
    Hahahahahhhahahah.

    Ok, that was fun. I feel like I have just finished the final published chapter at the wall, certain messages having been delivered and all. My guess is we will find the bottom of this cliff much sooner….

  129. Anguissette1979
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:18 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    Perhaps it’s just the way my little brain works that prefers threaded comment strings. I’m the kind of person who would go through each main conversation thread and read all the replies (because I’m a little bit OCD and would be compelled to check everything). What I’m picturing is the way comments on Gawker sites work – granted, some people hate that as well. Different strokes. I personally prefer the simplicity of a string of comments, grouped by conversation to a full-blown forum but either one would be an improvement.

  130. GeekFurious
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    Having seen this go down before with other popular fan sites, and having been approached to join a bigger collective with my own fan site back in the day, I can promise you that there will be FUNDAMENTAL CHANGES to this site. Not just in look but in content. Some of you will likely love that change. And it will bring tons more people to the site.

    But anyone who thinks everything will remain the way you fell in love with it is delusional at best. Someone else is about to come in here, invest money and power in it, and not make sweeping changes and moves along the way?

    Come on. You’re fans of a series that is very honest about the ways power corrupts.

  131. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    WiC:
    Will the revamped WiCnet ever actually confirm that Mark Gatiss is Tycho Nestoris?

  132. Ballista
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    I hardly ever comment here but I thought I’d add my $.02.
    As a long time reader of this and a few other sites I will give the new site a chance but I do have some concerns. The biggest one has been mentioned in this thread already: That this move will bring in trolls and change the (mostly) constructive thoughtful feedback and conversation. If we can keep the same community and avoid a horribly cluttered website, the change could work. Good luck!

  133. Patchy Face
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    I am much too fond of WinterPhil and crew to desert now but I can become easily confused so KISS please. Best for all your endeavors of course. And hope you get some substantial rewards – you deserve them!

  134. dw
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Its a shame really. This won’t really be a fan site anymore, just another corporate owned (private or not) news site to make money off of.

    I understand selling/partnering with a site if it wasn’t financially feasible anymore. If that’s the case though, just say so.

  135. Black as Snow
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen:
    Black as Snow,

    Not sure where you got “shut up” from my comment, exactly. If I wasn’t clear enough, I apologize.

    Let me clarify. Have you ever written a letter to your congressman? Ever called your senator’s office? Because your comment is the exact type of pandering those communications generally elicit. So I misspoke when I implied you wanted us to “shut up.” It’s more like “Thank you for bringing your concern to my attention. This is an issue I care deeply about. Blah, blah, blah.” And then you go on to do precisely as you had planned prior to getting any commentary. That is my expectation based on my experience. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

    Am I jumping to conclusions about you and your site? Am I being unfair and overreacting? Could be. But being pandered to offends me, and I spoke my mind about it. Why pull punches when we should speak plainly about something that’s important to us? Phil and company cashed out. I may well have done the same in their position, but to pretend that they’re doing fans of this site a favor is absurd. And to pretend that our concerns matter to anything but your pocketbook seems disingenuous.

    I sincerely hope that the comments here will push you to make the site less obnoxious than the example you linked. And I hope you surprise me and prove me wrong. I will owe you a sincere apology. But I’m a fan of GoT, not My Little Pony, so I’m not expecting a happy ending.

  136. Kris
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    I’ll just add a bit of wisdom from a certain bastard, “If you think this has a happy ending; you haven’t been paying attention.”

  137. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:40 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor,

    In retrospect to my earlier comment, I believe WiC acknowledged and commented on
    a several posts, then promised later followup . Since that time, we’ve had the Podcast,
    and the well received Unsullied topics by Oz of Thrones. Once able to find the original
    subject post ( ~ 6 months or greater ), but I can’t find it now. I did a quick search, all
    the way back to January 2013 , but it’s possible my weary eyes missed it.

    The site has been less attended by all mods, of late, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t
    aware of the activity that takes place here, including the mischief. Perhaps there is
    the stance that some acts will resolve themselves, as those seeking more propriety in
    discussion move to correct those instances. I’m appreciative of those particulars you
    mentioned, and especially as the GoT season gets underway. I’d wager it’s not all
    realized what efforts ( volunteered) it takes to run a site such as this. I’m pretty sure
    that $ profit isn’t the incentive. I respect what has been attempted here, and the
    enthusiasm behind it. Notably, a couple of other sites I looked up, have already closed
    shop.

  138. Black as Snow
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:44 pm | Permalink

    Zack:
    Black as Snow,

    I’d say you’re probably overreacting. It was a pretty lengthy post for merely being corporate doublespeak or whatever, so I’ll remain hopeful that the site won’t be too drastically altered, and we’ll just get to look forward to more frequent articles and perhaps a forum. And, of course, increased readership.

    Time will tell, but I call them as I see them. I would love to be wrong. Truly. But I’m not, and I think the people who spend their time here know it. Will there be increased readership? Perhaps. But I’m afraid it will be at the cost of what makes this site special.

  139. House Mormont
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    I kept thinking something bad was going to happen, but maybe that’s just from watching too much thrones, the last two episodes were amazing as a whole imo

  140. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    House Atreides will remain neutral during this transition. After all the “spice must flow.”

    But mark me, if i sense anything untoward with this new version of our beloved site I will answer any insult with a declaration of the ancient custom of Kanly.

  141. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:01 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    ….. and then there’s this. There’s definitely more going on than we’re aware of,
    that’s obviously affected some timely features of the site. I wouldn’t rule out real
    life events having impact ( family, career, outside projects ). Your (un)timely arrival
    have witnessed much that hasn’t been the usual well oiled machine. We’ve had a
    blast, nonetheless, but it should be better than this. I’ll keep humming ” oui, nous
    pouvons …..” *>*

  142. WildSeed
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    The CotF spokesperson, WildSeed, hears your declaration and follows suit, ser .

  143. Conningtuna
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm | Permalink

    I agree with everything that has been said here. I started visiting this page when season 2 ended in 2012. I was unsullied back then; I had already had a bad experience with the comments section on youtube, so I never dared to swarm into the ’2– comments’ here. After I finished ASoS, shortly after season 3 premiered, I started checking the comments, and the website in general, almost daily ever since.
    What struck me when I first stumbled upon this blog was its simplicity and sobriety; it wasn’t too shiny or too “nerdy”. The colours are perfect and adequate to the show.
    Now when I see their mighty redesigning in the example-website, I know it won’t be the same anymore. I tried other of their websites, and I wasn’t able to look for the information I wanted because it wasn’t clear enough. WiC.net is easy to browse, that’s what made stick around. Oh, and when I check WiC.net, it’s to specifically look for GoT news and rumors, not to be constantly bombarded with Around the Network news (A good option would be a “Hide sidebar”).
    Another thing I want to point out, as others did, is how does partnering with a network allow you to bring us more GoT news; will they provide you with extra credentials to attend some esoteric events that only GoT staff gets to see or similar? Because that would be, if it is the case, awesome.
    Good luck guys, and happy new year!

  144. House Mormont
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Also I hope the new posters you’ll be hiring are genuine diehard asoiaf fans, and not just recruited journalists

  145. Mariamb
    Posted January 1, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Conningtuna:
    Another thing I want to point out, as others did, is how does partnering with a network allow you to bring us more GoT news; will they provide you with extra credentials to attend some esoteric events that only GoT staff gets to see or similar? Because that would be, if it is the case, awesome.

    Thanks for asking this question because I was wondering this as well. Will partnering with the network allow more time for writing and researching GOT news rather than dealing with technical issues and overall site management? Who will be providing this additional content?

    Clearly, things have been different here lately – less mod interaction and response, change in the timeliness of news and follow-up. I’m sure the duties of maintaining this site are enormous. However, I am concerned about the cluttered navigation style and the new content contributors. I fear that it will not be the same.

  146. sjwenings
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    I don’t like the sound of this…

  147. Howland Reed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:05 am | Permalink

    I think what a lot of the comments here are circling around is that the initial post by WiC was not entirely clear or sincere about the motives of the site runners. It’s not our new overlords that I want to hear from (overlords will do whatever they want, which is usually that which makes them money, no matter how much we protest) I want WiC and other founding fathers to weigh in on this thread. Talk to us! Take us through your thought process. Tell us of your vision for the future both from the perspective of our concerns and your desire for monetizing your work (if indeed that’s what you’re thinking.) Level with us!!! Because, growth, in and of itself is not a good excuse, at least not one that is understandable to me.

  148. Mariamb
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    Completely agree! Thanks for saying it.

  149. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:25 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    House Atreides will remain neutral during this transition. After all the “spice must flow.”

    I hope this works well for you.

  150. Matt Chung
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    As long as you guys continue to provide quality content–which I’m sure you will–I’ll be quite content myself. I’ve always enjoyed the “smalltime” feel of this site but I understand the benefits of joining the big boys. Just please don’t do the clickbait headlines… please?

  151. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen,

    I see what you did there…I’ll have my Mentat call your Mentat.

  152. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:10 am | Permalink

    Dont fix something thats not broken :(

  153. Jentario
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:48 am | Permalink

    HARmundGiantsbane:
    please let there still be spoiler tags in the comments…that is all

    Congrats to WIC, I just hope we keep the old comment layout.

  154. Tahu Corrino
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    Cary Harkonnen,
    My Sardaukar stand ready in case something goes wrong.

  155. Charles
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    Yeah, the fact that WIC and the rest aren’t even posting in this thread and responding to the overwhelming negative reaction from the community doesn’t bode well for the prospects of this new site. I think most of our fears will be realized.

  156. Vic Sage
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:38 am | Permalink

    It’s been my experience that if the mods are not responding it’s because they have become “consultants” meaning they have little to no input they can make suggestions but it won’t matter because if they rock the boat they are gone.

  157. Felt Pelt
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:27 am | Permalink

    I like the simple style of this website, though I understand you guys would want to update it, increase page views and money, and be more friendly to tablets and whatnot. And I would love the message board option, so that people here could talk off-topic without randomly commenting at the bottom of old articles.

    As a cautionary tale, like Lord Starkington, I do want to mention the AV Club, a site I like and still go to, but which had to update per Disqus’ demands from their old, idiosyncratic and numbered page version of Disqus to NuDisqus. Never trust NuDisqus. NuDisqus is like Lord Bolton.

    It did improve some things, and the site itself is fine, but for the most part, the functionality is somewhat deeply annoying. When you have hundreds of comments, and you continually have to click to add more comments, you end up continually clicking and sorting as opposed to the old system there and the current system here, where you scroll to what it is already there. Disqus also creates mini-tiers of nested comments, so that if someone responds to someone who responded to you, it won’t notify you, which in Disqus is the only way to figure out if a conversation is continuing. (They may have changed this, but I doubt it.)

    That sounds picky but in practice it certainly changes the ease of a particular site. Patrick, thank you for posting and thanks WiC. I’ve been reading since S1 and enjoy it as much as the show. It has fed my addiction for every little scrap of information about televised Westeros. I really feel the downtimes, such as now, the Red Waste of pre-trailer times. But perhaps we are only sauntering through it to find a rich and verdant Qarth.

  158. OldeCrone
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    Well, Patrick sounds sincere. I hope that expanding the site will not mean that you get some of the really nasty trolls you get on other websites. I very rarely post on one very large website now because I was tired of the way they ignored complaints (for example, somebody called me a “tart” for daring to have a different opinion to them) – they weren’t talking about relations of pies either. In UK slang “tart” can mean a prostitute. I told the troll I wasn’t such – Id probably be much richer than I am if I had been (when I was younger obviously) and sent off a one-liner to the moderators who took absolutely no notice …. I wouldn’t like this site to become like that. Of course the occasional prankster does post here. Of course the best way to deal with trolls is to develop a broad back metaphorically speaking. I was looking at another “Game of Thrones” website which shall be nameless and somebody had said some quite nasty things about the appearance of the person playing Yara (in the recent “Flicks and the City” interview she looks better in real life IMO), quite ignoring her acting ability. Let’s keep it sensible on this site.

  159. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:35 am | Permalink

    why on earth are my comments of last night still waiting for moderation?

  160. Summer is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:37 am | Permalink

    Why do I feel that this moment is really the one when the Starks went for King’s Landing and everything fell… Two days ago we were still in Winterfell happy and together; And then came Patrick to ask WinterPhil to be his Hand! All I can hope is that WinterPhil keeps his head when all will be done…

    Maybe it is because of the story we love that we aren’t inclined to be very positive, after all, we were taught that if we think this has a happy ending, we definitely haven’t been paying attention!

  161. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:37 am | Permalink

    Especially, since I can post normally now. Although for some reason I can’t just copy-paste my old reaction and be done with it! What the fuck is this…

  162. OldeCrone
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:55 am | Permalink

    Veltigar: Especially, since I can post normally now. Although for some reason I can’t just copy-paste my old reaction and be done with it!

    Could it just be a glitch on the internet? There have been a few times lately when my computer has taken an age to load, maybe because it’s been holiday season and people have been getting in touch with friends and relations the other side of the world …. where I live we tend to get interruptions in broadband when it’s raining ….

  163. addie
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:56 am | Permalink

    After messing around on that example site…. I do not like. I like the current layouts and it seems I’m not the only one.
    While expanding is great, all the adds, and pop ups and the layout itself are cumbersome and intrusive. I don’t lost often, but I’m adding my voice of dissent to this one.

    I check this site and enjoy reading comment sections on this site, I hope that doesn’t change. Yes one website where I enjoy the comments section, unlike 99.9% of the rest of Internet comment sections which make me want to turn a fire hose onto humanity.

  164. KG
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    … and you’ll make more money off of us.

  165. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 5:30 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone: Could it just be a glitch on the internet?There have been a few times lately when my computer has taken an age to load, maybe because it’s been holiday season and people have been getting in touch with friends and relations the other side of the world …. where I live we tend to get interruptions in broadband when it’s raining ….

    I don’t think so. I can copy the post and paste it in a reaction but when I try to post it it’s just says waiting for moderation. I tried splitting it up in different parts (since it’s quite lengthy, although not unusually large for this site) and I can post the first snippet and than nothing more. I’ve also rephrased it a little but still nothing happens.

  166. Songsmith
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 5:39 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Have you watched The Wire?

  167. Ross
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 6:15 am | Permalink

    Hmmmm.

    On one hand, it is your site – it’s up to you what you do with it, and you put all the (very hard) work in, and you deserve to be compensated for that, and I’m glad you are being.

    On the other … as a big ‘fan’ of this site (it is probably my 4th or 5th most visited site), I don’t necessarily like being part of the commodity that’s being sold (after all it’s the fanbase that fansided is essentially buying). I kind of resent it actually. And if it is done less well (as a lot of people have said, if it’s anything like that hideous example site) then I won’t come back, simple as that.

    I want to visit a fan site because I care about the subject and it is filled with other considerate, interesting people who also care about it. I don’t want to visit a site just to be a statistic for advertisers. I get you can have both. I just feel like this will lean from one extreme to the other.

    Of course we have to give it a chance … but the signs, based on the example sites and the note from Patrick, are ominous. Sigh.

  168. Dio Westeros
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    It is somewhat surprising and concerning that there hasnt really been any replies from the mods here on this post…

  169. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 6:41 am | Permalink

    Tahu Corrino,

    Plans within plans…if this new design goes pear shaped I am prepared to launch a jihad that would make Butler himself cringe. Time for the laandsrad to unite because someone undeserving has been given the reins of CHOAM.

  170. Atreyu
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:17 am | Permalink

    Dio Westeros:
    It is somewhat surprising and concerning that there hasnt really been any replies from the mods here on this post…

    The mod sensors don’t register these comments. They are finely tuned instruments capable of picking up any discussion on an actor’s appearance. Strangely, homophobic comments, racist slurs and links to porn don’t register.

    Strange.

  171. Tahu Corrino
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:28 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,
    Screw the Great Convention! Ready the atomics!

  172. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:56 am | Permalink

    Atreyu,

    Like My Little Pony porn?

  173. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:58 am | Permalink

    Wait does that mean that I get to be Sting?

  174. Mursk
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Love the Dune references. I need to do a re-read soon, been a while.

  175. Atreyu
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Atreyu,

    Like My Little Pony porn?

    THAT’S TOTALLY DIFFERENT! ONLY R’HLLOR MAY JUDGE ME!

  176. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    Dio Westeros:
    It is somewhat surprising and concerning that there hasnt really been any replies from the mods here on this post…

    The mods cashed out and are currently jacking it in San Diego

  177. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    Uh… not having read any other comments, I have to say I’m skepical.

    Looking at the example given, (gamesided.com), I don’t like the look at all. It’s very generic, messy, and clickbaity (like Kotaku or Gawker). I really hope that’s not what wicnet will become. Also when the owner of fansided says “Soon, when you come to WIC, you will also be able to easily navigate to other stories from around our network that might interest you.” I’m translating that as “You should be excited to see a bunch of ads for stuff you don’t care about.”

    I hope you guys will be able to maintain more of the clean look that wicnet currently has even while taking the logical step of joining a larger site.

  178. Ross
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:24 am | Permalink

    queenofthorns:
    . Also when the owner of fansided says “Soon, when you come to WIC, you will also be able to easily navigate to other stories from around our network that might interest you.”I’m translating that as “You should be excited to see a bunch of ads for stuff you don’t care about.”

    Yes completely agree. I don’t want to ‘easily navigate’ to other sites from wic.net – I am here because I am interested in being here alone. If I want to go somewhere else I am very capable of doing that myself through Google thank you.

  179. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:36 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    That depends. Can you milk a cat? How big is your codpiece?

  180. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:37 am | Permalink

    Tahu Corrino,

    Indeed. The Sleeper has been Awakened.

  181. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Mursk,

    Your welcome. HBO should adapt Dune in my opinion.

  182. Valaquen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    The Mountain in season 4: http://i.imgur.com/Lc0i759.jpg

  183. House Mormont
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Songsmith,

    no but I want to, maybe if I finish the final season of Breaking Bad and there’s still no season 4 trailer, I’ll watch it

  184. House Mormont
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Valaquen,

    Look how small the person behind him is! He is a monster, but hopefully that’s the only time we see him smiling

  185. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    No, but a render an amazing “Roxanne” in karaoke.

  186. Reektheon
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    I’ve always wished for a GoT website that is a myriad of links and ads to sports and videogames, as those two subjects are the very core of GoT. I’m also very excited for these talkbacks (as most of us suspect) to morph into every other GoT talkback out there… i.e. spoilers and trolls spewing every future plot point. I was growing tired of WIC being the only respectful and caring GoT community on the web.

    Now, sarcasm aside, I find it very very foreboding and telling that mods haven’t commented yet on this. I saddest part is that I feel everyone (mods and fansided employee Patrick) all have good intentions and truly want to improve WIC.. but as history with these redesigns as shown us, and by all of the evidence out there from other GoT websites/fansided layouts….. our WIC community is in for a world of change, and not for the better.

    Allons-y!

  187. Valaquen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I wonder if they’ll give him a helm like they did with Brienne and Loras during their tourney battle.

  188. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    I was musing on this change on my walk to work…

    I wonder if it would be possible to write an app/blog that would automatically forward only the links for content written by our wonderful wicnet regulars to a blog with a clean design + commenting similar to the current site? That way we can continue to have the experience we currently enjoy. I don’t think such content aggregators are considered to be in breach of copyright, are they?

  189. Hard Truths
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Congrats! You guys have put a lot of work into the site and deserve the payday. I stumbled upon WIC after the first season aired and it has been my number one GOT site since. I will give the new site a chance, but it will likely go the way of every other fan site I have ever visited that was bought out: less and less visits until none at all. Please prove me wrong.

  190. king tyrion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Keep it simple stupid. Clean mobile site without being flooded with adds and useless content and keeping the spoiler tags are a must for me. For the love of the seven don’t make it look like that example

  191. Lef
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    “And now it begins,” said WIC.net.

    “No,” the regulars said with sadness in their voices. “Now it ends.”

  192. House Mormont
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:48 am | Permalink

    Valaquen,

    well they seem to be using the season 1 armour, so there should be a pot helm

  193. James
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Don’t have time to read all of the comments but skimming through the first 25% or so the vast majority of them echo my own feelings. Congratulations, but…

    The linked site looks like every other “network” site out there (e.g. ign.com family of sites). It looks practically Windows Metro inspired. It looks like there’s going to be a lot of stuff to get in the way of getting to the content, and it looks like a giant browser hog. I really liked the current site design which is refreshing and geared towards the content. I haven’t looked on my phone yet but hopefully the mobile site isn’t as busy/cluttered/obnoxious as the browser version.

    Oh well. I will still come for the content and the community, and maybe it won’t be as bad as I anticipate.

  194. dizzy
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:03 am | Permalink

    Long time reader here. I’m a loyalist. If the site goes down, I’m going down with it. See you on the other side.
    Good on ya Phil. I hope this provides the support you need. And the Eagles still suck!

  195. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Valaquen,

    House Mormont,

    He probably does, it would probably be a hassle otherwise (like wearing a hood on a waterproof coat, but much heavier). That’s the same sword too, 64 inch blade, 2-handed grip (not that he needs 2 hands), though the silver/gold/bronze rings are new to me. The pommel is an O with a line through it. ‘Remind you of anything?

    I hope he won’t smile during the actual scenes (and we know he has at least 2 in King’s Landing). He should frown as much as possible, it might make him look older than his 25 years.

  196. dragonreborn
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    hundreds of comments and still no discussion about strong belwas? :I

  197. Valaquen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic: I hope he won’t smile during the actual scenes (and we know he has at least 2 in King’s Landing). He should frown as much as possible, it might make him look older than his 25 years.

    I doubt he will smile in the show. This is a photograph from someone’s phone, he’s bound to be relaxed. Expect a rage-machine (fingers crossed).

  198. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:38 am | Permalink

    Valaquen: Expect a rage-machine (fingers crossed).

    I will, he’s clearly a force to be reckoned with. The fight should have Beric vs. Sandor levels of intensity, minus the flames and up one spear. Quality over Quantity helps, especially when there’s only ten hours of time to fill. Still, I hope they’ve ordered a young extra, a breakaway arm, a skull-cap and a bag of blood and brains.

    Also, do you think we’ll get mainly 56-57 minute episodes this season like in three, 50 like in two or 52-54 in one? Whatever the length, three of those minutes will be opening/closing credits anyway.

  199. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Now back to reality, whoops there goes gravity, whoops there goes gravity…

  200. Jentario
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:43 am | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    Strong Belwas

  201. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Wow.

    Not the kind of New Years surprise I was hoping for. After reading most of the comments I am in agreement with the consensus. First, congratulations to Phil and crew. I remember stumbling upon this site after hearing that a Game of Thrones pilot had been made and that HBO had greenlit a series. I haven’t been the most active of posters on here but I checked in almost daily. It is obvious this site has been a labor of love for you and I am sincerely happy that your hard work and dedication has paid off for you.

    Having said that, however, it is hard to be anything but disappointed with this announcement. WiCnet as we know and love it will be gone for good. Whether that is for the better or worse is yet to be determined but the omens are dire indeed. Now, I have nothing against networks per se. I believe they can be done well (see SB Nation for an example). I’m not trying to promote SB Nation or anything but using it as an example, every major sports team has a blog on SB Nation. While the overall format is the same for each blog they have distinct differences in color schemes (for their respective teams) with minimal intrusion from other blogs on the network. While they have recently updated to a new graphics laden layout that seems to be en vogue these days the emphasis on in depth articles and fan interaction has remained key. It is not uncommon for comment threads to be in the hundreds (and even thousands for major stories). Any fan can write a “fanpost” and if it’s good enough it may even be promoted to the front page. Now to use my team as an example, the Denver Broncos, I visited the FanSided site and was not impressed at all. Some perspective for those that do not follow American sports, the NFL (American Football) is king. The Denver Broncos have a QB that has arguably had the greatest season of any QB in history. You would think there would be a plethora of comments. However, the FanSided articles (it’s hard to call them that) are extremely short (several short paragraphs) that are superficial at best, no real in depth analysis. Most of these “stories” have single digit comments, and that is being kind as many have zero comments. Another annoyance is that there is no preview for a post. There is a picture and a headline. Not much to go on to determine if you even want to read the post. Once you click on a post again you get minimal “story” and the same endless picture links. Seems to be click baiting at it’s most extreme.

    After perusing a few more of their sites it is obvious that WiCnet will instantly be their best site. This appears to be a great move for them as it will benefit them a great deal more than it will benefit WiCnet imho. And while Patrick Allen claims they “do not answer to a large corporation”, what is their first and most prominent link? SI.com (sports illistrated). That’s right folks, SI, is owned by Time, Inc. which is a division of Time Warner. There is only one god for corporations. And his name is Greed. And what do we say to Greed? Not today.

    Don’t get me wrong. I’ll leave the link to WiCnet on my bookmarks bar and if the content remains strong I will still visit. I do expect the community aspect will disappear rather quickly however.

    Always Support the Bottom. (sigh)

  202. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Hey all,

    The reason I didn’t post before is because it was New Year’s Day and I was spending the day with my family. These kids aren’t going to raise themselves, y’know!

    First off, let me say that the folks at FanSided are big fans of what I and the writing staff have done on the site already and want to see it carry on in much the same way. They have also been very respectful of our community here and want to see it continue to thrive. That is one of the things I liked about them.

    To that end, we have all heard your feedback and are currently discussing various options in terms of what we want the redesign to look like and making sure that certain functionality like spoiler tagging is carried over.

    Trust me, I don’t want this site to flame out like maybe others have in the past after they’ve joined a larger network. And I know FanSided doesn’t want that either. That’s why, no matter what, we are going to continue to bring you the same great content from the same core group of writers. We hope that you all will stay with us during this transition, so this community can continue to be as great as it always has been.

    Thanks!

  203. cantuse
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that this is one of my first visits to this site since moving largely to /r/asoiaf.

    Changes like this will just further ensure that more people migrate similarly.

  204. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,
    At some point, we’ll probably need an “In Memorium” to attain closure before moving on. We’ll embrace change prudently. I wonder if we’ll we need to login to participate? What’s the accountability standard in the new network?

    Rygar:
    Now back to reality, whoops there goes gravity, whoops there goes gravity…

    Perhaps quoting Eminem is an appropriate venting mechanism as we are beset by anxious change.

  205. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Hexonx,
    At some point, we’ll probably need an “In Memorium” to attain closure before moving on.

    lol, well I guess for all those that have already made up their mind to leave they can write their own “In Memoriam.”

  206. KG
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Gee, WiC, how could we EVER be mad that you’re selling our loyalty for your own benefit?

    What do WE get for this? Nothing. Nothing but more ads, more rigidly controlled content, and the same ugly BS clickbait link-trash that clutters up every other “network” site.

  207. KG
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 12:52 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    Suck-up.

  208. Howland Reed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    WiC,

    Once again your post is guarded and cagey. We get that you ‘hear’ us and we get that neither WIC nor the overlords want the community to dissipate. You don’t want that because you care and fansided does no want that because we, OUR EYEBALLS, are the money. However, you still have not let us into your thought process, aside from a meaningless ‘trust me guys, the overlords are cool.’ You don’t necessarily owe us an explanation, if you are indeed cashing out, but if you want the community to persist, you need to talk to us and not simply make announcements of deals that have already been done. The question still remains: how do you plan on balancing the overlords desire for converting our eyeballs into cash with the standards of BOTH FORM and content that have been established on this great site?

  209. Lef
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    And we’re still waiting for an answer as to how that deal is going to bring us “more GOT news and rumors than ever before”.

  210. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    KG: Hexonx,

    Suck-up.

    You wound me, sister.

    Seriously though, I think I adequately expressed my displeasure without acting like a crybaby.

  211. Matt Blake
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:22 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Matt Blake here with FanSided….I second Phil’s thoughts here and we will yield too him on what he thinks is best. This is his baby (and yours) and we are just along for the ride to help make the site better. If what we need to do is keep things the same and perhaps launch a forum, then that is what we will do.

    Someone mentioned that we are associated with Sports Illustrated and that is true, but we are again 100% owned and operated by the co-founders Zach Best and Adam Best, and myself. We currently employ 7 full-timers and are by no means corporate. And all of our hires have been in the last year, before that it was just the three of us and a great team of part-time editors. In fact we have no office and are distributed across the country. All of our other sites are run by fans who love their team. Each site has a unique identity based on whomever is running it, and WiCnet is no different.

  212. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:28 pm | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    My thought process is thusly:

    I want to focus my limited free time on actually covering Game of Thrones, not worrying about technical site related issues. I’ve wanted to update the look of the site and add lots of nice features for a long time, but never have had the time to do it. Joining up with FanSided means they can worry about all that stuff. I will still have input on all that, but don’t have to do the “dirty work”, so to speak. This, in turn, frees me up to worry more about the editorial side of things. Putting out more and better content, bringing on new writers, etc. There are a lot of ways we can improve our coverage, and with a network like FanSided at our backs, I feel like we now have the ability to do so.

  213. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx,

    FanSided is not owned by and does not answer to SI.com or Time. We are independently owned an operated. We have a partnership with SI that has to do with advertising and web traffic.

  214. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    For Karoaoke I prefer Message in a Bottle, despite that you end up singing “sending out an sos” quite a lot in the coda.

  215. A wolf named Dire
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I very rarely post here but have been a huge fan of the site since I found it a year ago or so, in terms of many in this community I take it I am still a newcomer but I could not agree with the consensus more. The linked example site is plain and simple a recipe for killing the site, it just is there is no denying that at this point.

    I do appreciate that Patrick has spoken with us and tried to address our concerns and I appreciate that WIC has added his thoughts. Several very good questions remained unanswered though.

    All I will say is this, as you all should know the way to gain loyalty from a fanbase isnt just in quality content. We all love the articles and updates etc… but it is the interaction that makes us feel a sense of belonging and loyalty to the site. I never post but my favorite part of the site is scrolling down the comments and reading the thoughts of others, even with rare thoughts being added by myself reading everyone else makes me feel a sense of belonging. In addition, the interaction that the moderators gives the site less of a business feel and more of a community feel, dont go and hide on us keep interacting.

    My plea is that as this change happens while you will obviously be monetizing the site, keep listening to us, as has been said there is no money to be had if you run us all away and that will happen if our numerous concerns arent heard. If this is to become a site with a business mindset thats fine, just make sure your customers are happy and do as good businesses do listen to us.

    Edit: I was typing this before the most recent posts by fan sided staff…after reading those I just want to say I am now optimistic thank you for the input and listening to your customers!

  216. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Gabriel’s trumpet is about to produce us from the ass of a pig.

    Swedgin knows.

  217. Tereeza 777
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx:
    Wow.
    Not the kind of New Years surprise I was hoping for. After reading most of the comments I am in agreement with the consensus. First, congratulations to Phil and crew. It is obvious this site has been a labor of love for you and I am sincerely happy that your hard work and dedication has paid off for you.

    Having said that, however, it is hard to be anything but disappointed with this announcement. WiCnet as we know and love it will be gone for good. Whether that is for the better or worse is yet to be determined but the omens are dire indeed.

    And while Patrick Allen claims they “do not answer to a large corporation”, what is their first and most prominent link?SI.com (Sports Illustrated). That’s right folks, SI, is owned by Time, Inc. which is a division of Time Warner. There is only one god for corporations. And his name is Greed. And what do we say to Greed? Not today.

    Hexonx,
    Great comment – agree with everything you said. Also ………. there is no mention of women in sports at all on their site. (I’m a female and I love, and play, sports) The only articles about women fall under the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit tab.
    Mr. Allen was quoted in a recent article (link below):
    Allen: We wanted FanSided.com to be the best site to visit if you were a guy sports fan in between the ages of, say, 18-45. We believe we’ve started to achieve that.
    http://www.sporttechie.com/2013/12/02/fansided-an-oral-history-of-the-next-big-sports-media-network/
    (article does mention Peyton Manning at least :)

  218. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I once clutched my balls with a vice-like grip and belted out “So Lonely” to a room full of Filipinos.

  219. Lex
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Well, I’m glad to hear that you will still be involved in creating the content, and that this isn’t a case of selling or handing the site over to someone else. If it does indeed free the current writing team up to focus on writing content, that could be okay. While I do love the current simple design, I think the most important part of this transition is that the writers/contributors/community stay the same.

    I’m still concerned, but I’m willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt and see how it goes. Just please, don’t make it as cluttered and ugly as Slate.com!

  220. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Valaquen,

    Def not showing enough box in that picture.

  221. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen:
    Hexonx,

    FanSided is not owned by and does not answer to SI.com or Time. We are independently owned an operated. We have a partnership with SI that has to do with advertising and web traffic.

    Fair enough. And to be perfectly clear I did not say you were owned by them. Just pointed out they are your first and most prominent link.

    Also, even if they are just a 3rd party based on your privacy policy they still have access to your user’s data.

  222. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Ignore this post, apparently I should read all the way through before I make comments…

  223. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: I’ve wanted to update the look of the site and add lots of nice features for a long time, but never have had the time to do it. Joining up with FanSided means they can worry about all that stuff.

    That’s fair enough but… eugh… do you actually think that the fansided sites look good or at all better than the current site? That was certainly my main concern. That and being tricked by the company into clicking on Ads that I mistakingly thought were actual GoT content (which is what all these clickbait-y sites do)…

    Lef: And we’re still waiting for an answer as to how that deal is going to bring us “more GOT news and rumors than ever before”.

    Actually this was sort of addressed by Patrick above…

    We do want to increase the frequency of content to help further enrich the community and inform the discussion. That doesn’t mean making up stories or anything like that. But we will try to give the site resources to ensure that there are plenty of quality staffers (in addition to those already on board) that will help catch every bit of GOT news out there.

    So how I’m reading this: they have staff writers (who almost certainly are not GoT fans) that will be adding “additional content”. Hopeful me thinks that means these writers really will come up with actual content by following more leads, etc. Skeptical me thinks that this means we will see a lot of “content” like what I’m seeing on the other fansided sites, eg:

    “10 secrets that Littlefinger doesn’t want you to know!”
    “Top 3 hottest GoT Babes!”
    “Who would win in a fight, click here to find out!”

  224. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza 777: Hexonx,
    Great comment – agree with everything you said. Also ………. there is no mention of women in sports at all on their site. (I’m a female and I love, and play,sports)The only articles about women fall under the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit tab.
    Mr. Allen was quoted in a recent article(link below):Allen: We wanted FanSided.com to be the best site to visit if you were a guy sports fan in between the ages of, say, 18-45. We believe we’ve started to achieve that.
    http://www.sporttechie.com/2013/12/02/fansided-an-oral-history-of-the-next-big-sports-media-network/
    (article does mention Peyton Manning at least:)

    Because if there is any segment of our society that’s underserved it’s guys between 18-45 right? I was trying to see a silver lining by nourishing hope that there would be some links to Olympics coverage, but maybe the Olympics aren’t dudebro enough.

    Seriously, I’ll give it a chance but remain scared. The guys only stuff in that quote is giving me the urge to back away slowly though.

  225. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Tereeza 777,

    Yes, but who do you want on your GoT Fantasy Football League? And conversely, which GoT buxom babe queens go on your fantasy cheerleading squad?

  226. Lef
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns: Actually this was sort of addressed by Patrick above…

    Where?

  227. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Tahu Corrino,

    Indeed. The Sleeper has been Awakened.

    Some say even the great ” scattering ” was prophecy. I’ll stick to the ” golden path”, for
    the time being.

    I forget that House Atreides has the mentat at their disposal. Everyone else follows
    protocol to contact the BG or WS, for permission. No worries or offense taken *>*

    Winter Is Coming,

    I knew you’d comment soon. Thanks for the insights. I hope all goes as planned.

    Lex,

    Ditto.

  228. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Lol yeah. Actually I found a link to olympic coverage after attempting to navigate their site for about 15 minutes, but there was only one page under olympics: running. Okayyy? http://spikeduppsychedup.com/

    Well at least this site looks much better than gamesided. :)

    Cary Harkonnen: Yes, but who do you want on your GoT Fantasy Football League? And conversely, which GoT buxom babe queens go on your fantasy cheerleading squad?

    The most essential questions of our day surely!!

  229. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Lef: Where?

    In the text I quoted? Here it is again:

    Patrick Allen: We do want to increase the frequency of content to help further enrich the community and inform the discussion. That doesn’t mean making up stories or anything like that. But we will try to give the site resources to ensure that there are plenty of quality staffers (in addition to those already on board) that will help catch every bit of GOT news out there. There may be more columnists as well, that will weigh in and help fuel discussion and debate.

  230. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    I find optimism to be overrated.

  231. Reektheon
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Great post and we always appreciate what you’ve done here, and I hope continue to do so. I have a lot more confidence now that you responded/commented regarding our worries – and I hope you know that it’s all out of love and respect of this site. I’m much more optimistic that FanSided has also responded to us, (multiple times), so it shows they do care about WIC and it’s community, and the fact they say if they need to keep things the similar or the same, then they will do it. If this change is mostly so that the crew at WIC can spend more time on content rather then technical babble, then it seems everyone has a chance to come out a winner in this partnership/redesign. (HOWEVER this is all under the assumption the new layout won’t be anything like the example given, which is still my largest worry).

  232. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Where will WiC be located in FS’s menu system? Under “Fantasy”?

  233. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen:
    Tereeza 777,

    Yes, but who do you want on your GoT Fantasy Football League?And conversely, which GoT buxom babe queens go on your fantasy cheerleading squad?

    10 ways to get your girlfriend to do the Meereenese knot

    Why wimmenz shouldn’t be in tourneys

    5 exercises to get you abs like Kit Harrington

  234. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    The spice must flow.

  235. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen:
    Tereeza 777,
    Yes, but who do you want on your GoT Fantasy Football League?And conversely, which GoT buxom babe queens go on your fantasy cheerleading squad?

    Hah! I missed your comment earlier…
    I guess we’ll be shifting from the floppy and bouncy “League of Angels” ads to floppy and bouncy SwimDaily shots! So it’s really not that different…

  236. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns: “Top 3 hottest GoT Babes!”

    I recently suggested a top 10 hottest chicks on Wetpaint after they flaunted just as much male eye-candy, and some c*** called me a paedophile, so gods please don’t let it be the way WiC’s heading.

    Edit: All I said was “I wonder where they’d rank the Stark girls on that list”, because can anyone else seriously suggest 10 adult women in the series who could all out-looks them? Don’t people realise that sexism works in both directions?

  237. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen,

    Top ten Spice Girls.

  238. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Feyd, lovely Feyd

  239. Lef
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    Yup, sorry, I somehow missed it..

    that will help catch every bit of GOT news out there.

    That’s already what WICnet does, isn’t it?

    If there isn’t anything to report, adding more staff won’t change anything.

    As for the:

    So how I’m reading this: they have staff writers (who almost certainly are not GoT fans) that will be adding “additional content”.

    That doesn’t really qualify as “news” or “rumors”.

  240. Greenjones
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    http://i.imgur.com/Lc0i759.jpg

    The Mountain. Looking friendly.

  241. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Where will WiC be located in FS’s menu system? Under “Fantasy”?

    I assume their “Fantasy” section is for fantasy sports. I would think WiC would be under entertainment but if you scroll over “entertainment” in their drop down menu it just shows a bunch of picture links with no indication of what site you will be routed to. If you click “entertainment” nothing happens. There does not seem to be a separate section under entertainment at least that I can find.

  242. mariamb
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Howland Reed,

    My thought process is thusly:

    I want to focus my limited free time on actually covering Game of Thrones, not worrying about technical site related issues. I’ve wanted to update the look of the site and add lots of nice features for a long time, but never have had the time to do it. Joining up with FanSided means they can worry about all that stuff. I will still have input on all that, but don’t have to do the “dirty work”, so to speak. This, in turn, frees me up to worry more about the editorial side of things. Putting out more and better content, bringing on new writers, etc. There are a lot of ways we can improve our coverage, and with a network like FanSided at our backs, I feel like we now have the ability to do so.

    Thanks for this – I was hoping that this would be the answer to the “how will we be getting more content” question. I manage websites and blogs for corporate sites and am tasked with handling the technical issues and creating content. I completely understand how technology/admin of sites can suck up time.

    Perhaps you can give us some insight into the process of bringing on new writers. (Oz of Thrones has been an welcome addition.) Simply put, new writers should be GOT fans and not general writers for FanSided who may not be regular (or passionate) viewers. While that nightmare design is cause for concern, so is the continuation of quality, thoughtful content.

    Also, can you tell us a bit about how comment moderation will be handled? I would hate to see these discussions turn into the childish, senseless nonsense that occurs on so many other sites.

  243. Bryon
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    In Winter Phil we trust!

  244. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Lef, there is a lot of stuff that we miss or don’t report on simply because none of us have the time to write up a post. None of it is major news, of course, but ideally we would cover every inch of GoT news, instead of only touching on the major stuff.

    mariamb, new writers will be coming from within the community, ideally. At the very least, they will be someone who is a fan of GoT first and foremost.

    Comment moderation will be handled in much the same way it is currently. If anything, there will be better moderation, as we look to beef up our staff.

  245. Atreyu
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Ya know, I could use a sugar-daddy/momma. So long as Fan “Money Bags” Sided is throwing cheddar around, they could do worse than toss some my way.

    “What could you possibly contribute?” most would ask.

    Easy. I’m a magic man. I bring magic.

  246. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    WIC will be listed under entertainment here: http://fansided.com/network/

    Another note; We don’t tell our editors what to write about. As Matt said above, each site has its own skipper and they generally are allowed to run the site as they see fit. WIC will be the same way.

  247. Felt Pelt
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    From what WiC is saying, it sounds like a natural evolution of the site. Congrats on freeing yourself from repetition and lightening the workload. It sounds like a long time coming.

  248. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Can I have the watch when WiC is dead?

  249. mariamb
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Using your link, I found a site called Hidden Remote. And under that a Homeland sub-site: http://hiddenremote.com/category/homeland/

    Is that closer to what we can expect the new WiC site to look like?

  250. Zack
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I appreciate all the clarification from everyone.

    I’m now fairly optimistic about what this means. Please don’t go overboard with the visual revamp.

  251. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    Can you tell us if Hodor will still be an acceptable first response?

  252. Zack
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen,

    “still”?

  253. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Atreyu,

    If the real thing don’t do the trick,
    You better make up something quick.

  254. A Man Grown
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:17 pm | Permalink

    I never noticed we have both an Atreides and a Harkonnen on here.

  255. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Atreyu,

    Yes. All I Wanna Do is Make Love to You and go Crazy On You because I am Alone. These Dreams I have had about a Barracuda has made me ponder What About Love?

  256. Ros' Merkin
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:21 pm | Permalink

    Phil,
    Will we still be allowed to debate relative skin tone of POC characters?

  257. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Top ten SwimDaily models we would like to see as whores in Mole’s Town?

  258. Rygar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Phil,
    Can we still tell Linda to go suck her own?

  259. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx: I assume their “Fantasy” section is for fantasy sports.I would think WiC would be under entertainment but if you scroll over “entertainment” in their drop down menu…

    I couldn’t resist the opportunity to mention it. Audience crossover potential?

  260. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    mariamb:
    Patrick Allen,

    Using your link, I found a site called Hidden Remote. And under that a Homeland sub-site: http://hiddenremote.com/category/homeland/

    Is that closer to what we can expect the new WiC site to look like?

    gracious…… this really looks awful ! I hope this isn’t where we’re heading. *>*

    Patrick Allen: WIC will be listed under entertainment here: http://fansided.com/network/

    This link is confounding , I’m perplexed with the sole reference to sports. The top
    page links were just as confusing. Perhaps you copied the incorrect link ? As much
    will be developing later, I’m reluctant to place any value on the whines from several
    posts. …. but your link did not foster any assurances. Just sayin’

  261. Patchy Face
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Checked out P Allen’s link and I am with you – was very confusing to me. The thing I like about this site is that it is simple and straight forward. KISS baby.

  262. Patrick Allen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    Actually that is just the “Homeland” category on Hidden Remote.

    Frankly, and this isn’t set in stone, (I don’t make all the calls on this stuff) from our initial conversations, there may not be a dramatic change in the layout at all. We want the site to continue to be one the readers love, not one they despise and stop reading.

    We are kicking around the idea of maybe looking at a redesign that is developed with the community involved, however anything like that would take time and wouldn’t be something that would happen right away.

  263. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:35 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed: Using your link, I found a site called Hidden Remote. And under that a Homeland sub-site: http://hiddenremote.com/category/homeland/

    Is that closer to what we can expect the new WiC site to look like?

    gracious…… this really looks awful ! I hope this isn’t where we’re heading. *>*

    It would not even load for me. So you’re at my advantage.

  264. queenofthorns
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming: mariamb, new writers will be coming from within the community, ideally. At the very least, they will be someone who is a fan of GoT first and foremost.

    If that’s the case, then awesome! But above Patrick said that “staffers” would be involved in writing the new content. That implies – to me – that these would be paid employees of Fansided, not GoT fans. Am I wrong?

  265. Cary Harkonnen
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Oh, by the way, if we are moving. One thing that needs to change: EXTERNAL LINKS OPEN NEW TABS OR PAGES. #^#@&*(&( links

  266. Reektheon
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    If it looks anything like the Homeland page, we’re screwed. Checked four of the articles… I had to scroll through numerous links, pictures and ads not related to the article at all to get to the comment section, to see there was not one comment in any of the articles. Not to mention the layout/loading of the Homeland site is a complete mess. I also checked the Walking Dead link from FanSided’s Hidden Remote website. Again, zero comments on any of the articles I checked there, and an absolute headache to navigate from article to article. If, for some reason, the new FanSided GoT website actually is a success and keeps the current community without ruining the layout, WIC could be the best thing ever for FanSided since there other TV show sites don’t seem to pull in many readers.

  267. mariamb
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Thanks for recognizing that the regulars here like this site as is…for better or worse.

  268. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen,

    You can hold down the ‘control’ button on google chrome when clicking (not sure if that’s true for all browsers).

    But yeah, it’s better for new tabs to open by default.

  269. Arthur
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    That would be great!

    Like many have said, the simplicity of this site’s layout is what attracted a lot of us to begin with.

    The type of threads this site has allows us to engage in robust debate with one another without missing a beat and at the sametime allows others to see what is being said and weigh in with their own opinions rather easily.

    If that kind of fan interaction ceases to exist due to some complicated time consuming and hard to follow thread format than what I think makes this site special will be gone.

    Many of us come here to voice opinion with each other, not just to see the latest GoT news. Sure, news updates are great but I really enjoy the debates and fan feedback in regards to all the new news threads.

    Keep that in mind when you redesign the new WiC site. We come here to talk to each other, not just read news updates.

  270. Balerion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    But can you guys let us know when will WiC make the transition to fansided?

  271. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Family, Duty, Hodor:
    Cary Harkonnen,

    You can hold down the ‘control’ button on google chrome when clicking (not sure if that’s true for all browsers).

    But yeah, it’s better for new tabs to open by default.

    I didn’t know about that. Thanks. I usually just right click/open in new tab but I like this better.

  272. Balerion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Hexonx: I didn’t know about that.Thanks.I usually just right click/open in new tab but I like this better.

    You can also press the mouse wheel, I find it easier.

  273. Nick Larter
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Congratulations – you deserve the success! Now fingers crossed it works out!

  274. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen,

    Will the address of this site redirect us to the new one, at least for awhile?

  275. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Dio Westeros: Eh…. have you gone to WICgeeks.com?I like that site and the people running it… but it isnt as if their site has thousands upon thousands of posts.There are topics that have like 8 comments that are between 4 different posters… 2 of which are mods on the site.Even WIC here has topics that have barely any comments… and when there are a lot it is very often the same few people just commenting often.We bring a lot of people to the table.. I went through and checked some of their sides on FanSided and some are very attractive.It is worth at least giving it a chance before utter condemnation.

    Oh Dio. I’m afraid you have opened a can of worms here. There are many WicGeeks here and we enjoy this site as well, very much. Tread lightly, my friend. :smile:

  276. Howland Reed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Thanks for your reply. I understand your motivation a little better now but I remain skeptical. On the one hand, what you say sounds reasonable and even full of potential, on the other hand, the examples that Fansiders are posting here look unbearable and unconsumable. I agree those that have stated that everyone who writes for this site should be vetted by WiC and should not be ‘staffers.’ Remember the debacle that was Pierson Moore’s writing on this site? A ‘staffers’ click bating non-articles would be a thousand times worse. I still sense some contradiction in your vision and the vision of the overlords, although that might be a problem of less than clear communication. I suppose time will tell, but at least now I feel confident that our apprehension has been fully communicated: If this site turns into standard Fansided fare the dissolution of the community and a mass exodus of readership is imminent and inevitable. Can everyone involved adjust on the fly and stem this tide? I sure as fuck hope so! Otherwise, I’ll be bidding a very sad farewell to this site.

  277. Hexonx
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Balerion: You can also press the mouse wheel, I find it easier.

    Thanks. I like that even better. I’m getting my edumication of the interwebs today.

  278. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Patrick Allen,

    Will the address of this site redirect us to the new one, at least for awhile?

    The URL for the site isn’t changing. It will remain winteriscoming.net, with both winter-is-coming.net and winteriscoming.com redirecting to the main .net domain.

  279. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Since it took forever for this post to appear and many will therefore never read it otherwise I’ll just repost:

    About the increase in content, some warnings and suggestions:

    1) Suggestion: Perhaps, you guys should recruit more than one Unsullied to comment on episodes and to make predictions. Let them make their initial predictions/comment seperate from each other and then let them discuss it and see to what results that leads.

    2) Suggestion: If you could find some respected professionals (DP’s, Costume designers, VFX specialists, arms experts, etc.) to comment on the work of the crew in GoT that would be sweet. Especially if you can give it a bit of an educational spin.

    For example I would love to hear a respected DP break down GoT’s style of filming scene by scene, introducing the lingo of the profession to us and explaining why he/she thinks the DP made the choice to use that angle or that type of lense and how these decissions impacted the way we as viewers experience the story (And while I’m busy dreaming I’ll just throw the name Roger Deakins out there).

    3) Suggestion: Besides more cowbell, this site desparatly needs more John Bradley (the guy who plays Samwell). He’s a stand-out bloke and really funny. Some inside information or just him musing about stuff would make a very interesting read. He’s the only actor on the entire show who brings something new to the table everytime he’s interviewed, the rest are often on auto-pilot. If you could get him to write a column that would be awesome.

    4) Suggestion: Bring reforms to the WiC.net awards. They are in desperate need of that. Especially the Quotes category was atrocious this year.

    5) Warning: I don’t really see much possibility for added content aside from what was mentioned in the above points. Casting rumors stay the same with or without your input.

    Perhaps you guys could bring in new interviews with members of the Cast & Crew, but to be honest the popular actors (like Sophie, Liam, Maisie, etc.) pretty much always say the same things in those and thus the interviews aren’t that interesting (note: I’m not bashing the actors. They are lovely people, but after answering the same question for like 20000 times it’s normal that they slip into a routine).

    I would also hope that you don’t add new contributors who turn out to be selfserving pricks, and who only care about how big of a circlejerk about how awesome their opinions are they can get going.

  280. Easteros bunny
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    I come here for game of thrones news, not sports.

    How, with the move will you be able to bring us more news and rumours? Does fan sided have inside information? What is the differene e between the news we get now, and the news we will get with fansided?

  281. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming,

    Just wait until the “larger audience” witnesses our debates concerning Jeyne Poole’s atrocities, Mountain madness at the Inn, Drogon eating children, pros and cons of sexposition, endearing SanSan and SanFinger possibilities, the Tysha gang rape, kinslaying and kingslaying, slavery manifestations and colorization, bowl of brown contents (its not chicken), LS and undead revenge, the art of castration, Lannister and Targaryen incest, etc.…..welcome to the mainstream!

  282. Veltigar
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Winter Is Coming:
    Lef, there is a lot of stuff that we miss or don’t report on simply because none of us have the time to write up a post. None of it is major news, of course, but ideally we would cover every inch of GoT news, instead of only touching on the major stuff.

    How does this equate to more quality news? Can you give an example. I think that this site goes pretty deep already (like that guy who we all thought was BBP but turned out to be some random extra) and I’m personally not interested in the casting of all the cheeseboys in the GoT-verse as it were.

  283. Summer is Coming
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Producers Guild nomination for Game of Thrones:

    The Norman Felton Award for Outstanding Producer of Episodic Television, Drama:

    Breaking Bad (AMC)
    Producers: Melissa Bernstein, Sam Catlin, Bryan Cranston, Vince Gilligan, Peter Gould, Mark Johnson, Stewart Lyons, Michelle MacLaren, George Mastras, Diane Mercer, Thomas Schnauz, Moira Walley-Beckett

    Downton Abbey (ITV – United Kingdom; PBS – United States)
    Producers: Julian Fellowes, Nigel Marchant, Gareth Neame, Liz Trubridge

    Game of Thrones (HBO)
    Producers: David Benioff, Bernadette Caulfield, Frank Doelger, D.B. Weiss, Christopher Newman, Greg Spence, Carolyn Strauss

    Homeland (Showtime)
    Producers: Henry Bromell, Alexander Cary, Michael Cuesta, Alex Gansa, Howard Gordon, Chip Johannessen, Michael Klick, Meredith Stiehm

    House of Cards (Netflix)
    Producers: Joshua Donen, David Fincher, Karyn McCarthy, John Melfi, Eric Roth, Kevin Spacey, Beau Willimon

    Congarts’!!

  284. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Cary Harkonnen:
    Rygar,

    The spice must flow.

    I am the Rev. Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam. Put your hand in the box.

  285. Abyss
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    I am interested in every bit of news. As long as it is actual news and not click-beat stuff like “Here is our list of the most sexy women/men/white walkers in Game of Thrones. Have fun clicking through the gallery!”
    We were obsessed with every little detail in the Support the Bottom days and it was very fun. I would like the site to go back to that.

  286. Abyss
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 5:49 pm | Permalink

    click bait*
    (A way to correct your post after 10 min for the new site would be nice btw.^^)

  287. gswelcome
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    All the sites i’ve scanned through have articles that are hard to navigate and have only a handful to zero comments. I really hope WiC doesn’t turn into that, would be a shame indeed.

  288. ATG
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:35 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen:
    mariamb,

    Frankly, and this isn’t set in stone, (I don’t make all the calls on this stuff) from our initial conversations, there may not be a dramatic change in the layout at all. We want the site to continue to be one the readers love, not one they despise and stop reading.

    We are kicking around the idea of maybe looking at a redesign that is developed with the community involved, however anything like that would take time and wouldn’t be something that would happen right away.

    I would prefer it if you take your time with the redesign and produce something that the WiC community will be satisfied with, rather than have the redesign happen straight away just for the sake of having a redesign.

  289. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 7:57 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark,

    What a extraordinary character she was. too bad she joined the conspiracy and was later put to death. That melange stuff has effects to have one substituting one box for the other. Careful with that stuff.

  290. Johan Sporre
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    I’d have thought that Phil and the crew had earned some measure of trust after all they’ve done over the years. Although FaBio is somewhat of a loose cannon (in a good way!) they’ve always made – to me – sensible choices in their reporting, even if they’ve reported some outlandish rumours (like Sean Bean as Ned Stark). Since Phil is staying on as site runner and he’s positive about the outlook of things, then I’m also positive.

    I’d like threaded comments though, as long as they’re done well (IMDb’s nested is not good enough, and certainly not Disqus’ one). I always point to the Swedish film site Filmtipset.se’s forum threads as to how I want comments organized. You can collapse and expand sub-threads that are uninteresting/interesting and it remembers which comments you’ve read so you can go to the next unread comment whenever you enter the thread/article.

  291. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark,

    Good to learn your hard drive is up and running. If some concerns for malware and
    viral concerns bear any merit, I’d add a layer of software safety, just to be cautious.

  292. Arthur
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    Anyone see this?

    It’s kind if cool. Some guy took NFL team logos and combined them with GoT themes.

    Check it out…

    http://whatshotdjroomba.minus.com/uploads

  293. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:00 pm | Permalink

    gswelcome:
    All the sites i’ve scanned through have articles that are hard to navigate and have only a handful to zero comments. I really hope WiC doesn’t turn into that, would be a shame indeed.

    This is what I’ve experienced as well, although many would put Westeros and Tower
    of the Hand as better examples. These two may be mainstays, but others have fallen
    short, as you surmised. WiC seems to be the preferred platform, it would be a loss if
    all goes awry.

  294. WildSeed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Some of these are indeed amusing. I like the ” forged by fire -Steelers “, among others.
    Thanks for the link.

  295. loco73
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    With all due respect, the designs I’ve seen from your “new” network look like shit…nothing but the same generic, boring and bland design I’ve seen before. I like the design that WiC.net has right now. It is simple, clean and one cannot mistake it for anything else bit what it is. Joining this network, it will loose it’s uniqueness and special niche it is serving. It will become just another website, part or a shapeless, nameless network, a cog in the wheel.

    This site is special because it is run by fans for fans. Now we will join some amorphous network whose denizens don’t care or know about the subject matter we so fervently and passionately discuss here. They’ll look at us as somekind of basement dwelling weirdos…

    And if growing your membership means now that every troll, fucktard and asshole will come in here to make trouble or just hurl insults…No Thank You! We already have trolls, but they are our trolls and if they harp on something, or complain and grumble it is at least about GoT!!! Even off topic discussions flow from GoT and ASOIF!

    Also, I very much appreciate the ease of access. What will happen now?! Will I have to give out all my personal data and information every time I want to post something? Will I need to give these fucknuckles my mom’s social insurance number and my shoe size just so I can make a simple remark?! I’m I going to have to subscribe to some mailing list, so that my information will get collected and then I’ll get bombarded with more bonner pill adds if I want to say something about Jon Snow? Will I have to fill out a survey and confirm each posting?!

    Heed the old addage, the road to hell is paved with good intentions!

  296. Iridium
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    *shrug* I must be in the minority, because I’m not bothered by this at all. I like the current website, but I’m not adverse to change either. I’m used to navigating busy news sites like Huff post – it’s a hot mess, but I still read it. I’m also not sure I understand the heated resentment of Phil and co for potentially making money from the site. Um, why shouldn’t they? We sit on our asses and rabidly consume the FREE content they provide about our favourite show, and that entitles us to ownership of WiC.net because?? I’m a lurker who rarely comments, but I check it daily, and honestly the only thing that would drive me away is unchecked negativity and bigotry in the comments section. I nearly gave up on the comm after a couple of infamous casting posts, but came back after a breather, and as long as that bullshit doesn’t occur again, I’ll continue to read/lurk. Beats the alternative (westeros) by a mile!

  297. freoduwebbe
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 9:57 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns: So how I’m reading this: they have staff writers (who almost certainly are not GoT fans) that will be adding “additional content”.

    If you reread Winters comment – he will be able to do more of the fun side and less of the ‘gee I have a website and have to work EVERY DAMN TECHNICAL ISSUE’…… He will have more time to schmooze more info for us… I hope

    I do like the clean lines of the current website, but I can see farming out the non-specific webside stuff to give more time to the comment side of things – WIC has good taste, sure hope it also carries over to the new site.

  298. Howland Reed
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    Iridium,

    Not sure what you are talking about since literally no one in the comments begrudged WiC the desire to monetize the site. I get it. I think all of us get it. A lot of effort is being put into running this site and compensation is deserved. The question is whether selling out to a click-bating site is the best way to monetize. That’s all. WiC owes us nothing, especially when all this work is being done for free, but neither do the readers owe their loyalty to the site regardless of the direction it takes.

  299. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    All I want is for someone to hold me and tell me that everything is going to be alright.

  300. Jeels
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    No offense, but if WinterIsComing starts looking like GameSided, I will probably leave this site for good. That layout is atrocious.

    Best of luck with the transition.

  301. Iridium
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:20 pm | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    Disagree about “literally no one” begrudging the money aspect – KG’s comments in particular stood out to me. Perhaps I’m being uncharitable, in my interpretation? But I found some of the reactions here to be hysterical and mean-spirited. You and others have expressed concerns in a considered manner, and that’s cool (not that I think you’re waiting on my approval or anything!), but others, not so much. I guess I’m just surprised. I feel like Phil etc deserve better after working so hard for our benefit.

  302. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:24 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    *Holds Tyrion Pimpslap*

    There, there. Let me tell you a story. Once on the internet there lived a fan site called ‘Winter is coming’ and her little baby imp. Now Winter is Coming loved her imp very much. But there were other things that lived on the internet. Evil things. Trolls and ad-based sites. The imp could hear them howling in the night. The little imp was frightened. His mother said, You’re a lion, my son. You musn’t be afraid. For one day all the beasts will bow to you. You will be king. All the trolls will bow. All the ads will bow. The Tower of the Hand in the north and Elio and Linda of the south, all the youtube reviewers in the sky and the FanSiders in the sea. They will all come to you, little lion to rest a crown upon your head. And the imp said, will I be strong and fierce like Hodor? Yes, said Winter is Coming. You will be strong and fierce, just like Hodor. I will keep you safe, my love. I promise you.

  303. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    I think after a few years the WIC.net folks are owed a bit of a measure of good will here in terms of their endeavors. Of course we wouldn’t want this to look like garbage, but I doubt that’s intended here. They don’t need it to look like Buzzfeed and nobody would want that.

    And while the skepticism is fine, the hand-wringing feels awfully similar to last year’s worrying about the trailer “Why is Melisandre in the Riverlands? Joffrey is so getting married this year! They’re ruining the show!” type stuff.

    Not that there shouldn’t be a healthy concern that something we’ve loved will change into something else, but at least give the mods a *little* credit.

  304. king tyrion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    So i went to check out the main site and it’s complete garbage on my phone. Couldn’t navigate anywhere. Tried to get to a Blue Jay fan site and had a pop up instead then went back and tried again and nothing… Guess those poor guys running that site will never get me to view a single page. Maybe your mobile app will work better

  305. king tyrion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    So I go and click on mobile apps and nothing happens the menu just disappears. So far my fansided experience is not going well and not a single of your member sites has benefited from my views.

  306. king tyrion
    Posted January 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Finally got the mobile app on the play store (keep in mind that I wouldn’t have bothered looking for this if I wasn’t interested in the future of WIC, I would have simply give me up and never visited the site again). The app works well and doesn’t have annoying adds like the Web page. I could get used to viewing WIC in that format although I will miss the old days of just opening the Web page from my home screen. Uninstalled the app because none of the content I viewed appealed to me.

  307. Howland Reed
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Iridium,

    No, you’re quite right about KG’s comments. I’d forgotten about them. But he stands out as the lone unreasonable voice to me. To explicitly begrudge the WiC team a desire for compensation seems silly to me, and undeserving of commentary. And for all those who say ‘give these folks the benefit of the doubt because they deserve better from us’ I say that WiC and the gang indeed have our trust, but we’re not alone anymore and it’s the great eye of fansided which has turned to us, lidless, wreathed in flame, that does not deserve our trust. At least not on the examples of their work that they’ve provided.

  308. Iridium
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Howland Reed,

    Great imagery! Very Sauron-y. And I do understand your concerns. I must admit that on re-reading the thread, you’re right: most people do acknowledge the site’s creators’ right to profit from WiC, if that is indeed the goal. So I may have been a bit hysterical myself! It’s an instinctive reaction of mine to get upset when people/things I like are subject to criticism (whether that be deserved or undeserved, real or perceived) and tend to throw up my hands and say “Stop, stop, everyone be nice!” because I dislike negativity and conflict. My parents tell me I’ve been defusing family and schoolyard fights since I was a little girl, and it’s a hard habit to break. So exactly what am I doing on an internet forum you ask? Good bloody question! I’ll discuss it with my therapist on Monday ;-)

    I remain optimistic, and Winter + the other site runners have my support. I’ve paid for GoT related content in other media (DvDs, albums, books), so I’m okay with having the site generate more ad revenue. I completely understand if other people are less comfortable with the concept though. More trolls would also suck, but I really hope that doesn’t happen. I find some of the discussion on other forums a bit confronting, and this site – with a couple of trolly exceptions – is a much better fit for me.

  309. Arthur
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    Just was googling for GoT news and an article on Fansided came up…

    Check it out…

    http://fansided.com/2014/01/01/game-thrones-season-4-important-battle-scene-details-released/

    So is this what WiC future will be? I don’t know what to think yet… There is a new pic I never seen before there. Looks like a boat in front of a green screen. Is that an old season 2 Blackwater pic or a new season 4 pic???

  310. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:36 am | Permalink

    Arthur,
    Holy shit! And there is a link that shows me how I can boost my testosterone! I’m gonna be a stud! Can’t wait to be a part of this community!

    (Yes, that is an S2 Blackwater pic, unbeknownst to that journalist)

  311. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Yes, that’s an old picture from season 2. It was attached to the MGOT Back to the Battlefield post recently, however.

  312. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:39 am | Permalink

    Iridium,

    KG’s reply was typical KG. She makes her comment, strikes down anyone who challenges her and disappears. That’s the way its always been.

  313. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:48 am | Permalink

    Howland Reed, you are awesome. Thank you for the very concise contributions.
    Family duty hodor…. You just tellin me the stories I always want to hear.

    Everybody, I just gotta say… I’m a longtime lurker… I love this site. Thank you all for reaffirming my faith in the power of voice, especially at a time when people are just getting fucking steamrolled. Everything is changing, and has been for many years… But I shudder to think of what things will be like when even such a small community like wicnet can no longer exist without playing pimps and hoes.
    I said this yesterday. Phil, i think most of get it. Nobody’s hard work should go unrewarded. But listen…. This is serious and people will leave this site to the ashes if you don’t hear the overwhelming level of concern and do everything in your power to mitigate the mass marketing doom that may just be impending. How can you make money off of ghosts? It will fall apart… The group that gathers here is your core, and you likely will not replenish it with casual clickers who stumble here via the “phinfan” site… (Still can’t believe they call themselves that… Seadogs???)
    So please, proceed with caution and try your best to maintain the simplicity and feel of this baby of yours…. (It is not a demonqueef after all… This baby lives!)

  314. Arthur
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:51 am | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,

    So is this an example of what someone who specializes in sports journalism will bring to the GoT cummunity?

    Not to sound negative but the amount of time it took my phone to load that article coupled with the fact there was like ONE reply to the article doesn’t seem promising…

    I could forgive the fact he didn’t know that was a season 2 picture but the folks at WiC never would have missed that fact and included a season 2 photo with season 4 news.

  315. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:53 am | Permalink

    And just to be clear… I know what “partnerships” typically constitute. You may not have any control over the advertising mechanisms at all.

    My fantasy football team this year was called “marshawn targaryen”

    If y’all don’t know who marshawn is….. You just may come February…

    HE IS BEASTMODE

  316. rbk
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:00 am | Permalink

    Wastrel,

    Agreed. Not too happy about this development, tbh. WiC being under a corporate umbrella (with an unnecessary and ugly redesign) makes me sad.

  317. Zack
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:21 am | Permalink

    A big question is why THESE guys, for a partnership. Not that there’s anything wrong with sports or videogames, but…I don’t see the common ground I guess.

    I dunno, there’s got to be similar groups for collecting things geek and fantasy under one banner, right? Card games, D&D, books, movies etc of the sort typically appealing to this demographic. Maybe not, or maybe none worth a damn.

    They just have more information about their market than I do, heh.

  318. WildSeed
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:52 am | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Sensible words ser , and not lost on those who think the same.

  319. Veltigar
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 4:45 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Just was googling for GoT news and an article on Fansided came up…

    Check it out…

    http://fansided.com/2014/01/01/game-thrones-season-4-important-battle-scene-details-released/

    So is this what WiC future will be? I don’t know what to think yet…There is a new pic I never seen before there.Looks like a boat in front of a green screen.Is that an old season 2 Blackwater pic or a new season 4 pic???

    Dreadful indeed. And just look at their ‘around the web’ tab. Not sure how much of that we can blame on them but it stil has ‘GAME OF THRONES’ STAR REFUSES FUTURE NUDE SCENES? as a featured article (and lo and behold one click on that article gives me the opportunity to go to another site and check out other great articles like ‘Top Ten Hottest Girls in GoT’ Isn’t that great? /sarcasm)

  320. Laurentius
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Just was googling for GoT news and an article on Fansided came up…

    Check it out…

    http://fansided.com/2014/01/01/game-thrones-season-4-important-battle-scene-details-released/

    So is this what WiC future will be? I don’t know what to think yet…There is a new pic I never seen before there.Looks like a boat in front of a green screen.Is that an old season 2 Blackwater pic or a new season 4 pic???

    If the future site looks anything remotely like that – my time with wicnet ends here. In that case, thanks all regular posters (of which I’m not one) who’ve made this site a pleasure to visit daily!

  321. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Mursk,
    Your welcome. HBO should adapt Dune in my opinion.

    A HBO adaption of Dune would be fantastic. I would prefer them to give the Game of Thrones treatment to The Dark Tower, though (even though I have never read it).

    Anyway, my reaction to some of the comments here:
    I notice a lot of people complaining about the likelihood of the number of ads increasing, which Is a fair enough concern. However, there have been some people angrily accusing the site runners here of only caring about their own pockets (I’m looking at you KG). To those people I say: you ungrateful bastards. The mods here are providing a FREE service for you. A service that costs money to run and takes up the personal time of the mods to write posts, maintain the site and moderate the comments. You aren’t paying a single cent to be a part of this community. If you honestly believe that the mods only put ads on the site to line their own pockets then you are a fool. Servers aren’t free, and they sure as hell aren’t cheap. The mods really have just two choices; put ads on the site to cover server costs or pay for the server space out of their own pockets (while providing you with a service that they don’t demand a single cent for). And if they want to become part of as network and run more ads so that they are able to improve the service, then that is their choice and we are in no position to demand anything from them. And IF the increased number of ads does become too obnoxious then install Adblock plus (or, as in my case, remove them from your whitelist). And if it is that bad to you, then simply stop coming here. WiC.net will continue running, and most people will likely still keep posting (myself included). Although I have some serious concerns about the new layout based on that of other sites in the network, I believe that the core of what makes this site great – that being the informative posts and interesting discussion – will remain unchanged and possibly even improve. Fucking ingrates.

    @Winter Is Coming,
    I noticed you mention the desire to increase the number of staff members, and that they preferably be from within the community. How would a new mod be chosen? Would the current contributors hand pick one of the community members, or would the community itself have any say in the matter? If I may, I would nominate Greatjon of Slumber as a new mod of the site. Although I don’t always agree with him, he has proved time and again that he can write very well thought out posts, and he stimulates and takes part in interesting discussions. These are all attributes that I like to think I share, but unlike me Greatjon doesn’t sound like a raving lunatic in the process :P. (I also wouldn’t mind being a mod if I was asked to be one, but I think Greatjon would be a much better fit for the position, especially considering that he has even done a guest post here already).

  322. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Oh, and of the many suggestions I have read, the three that I would second are:
    1) a forum
    2) links opening in new tabs
    And 3) removal or extension of the 10 minute time limit for editing posts.

  323. Zack
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Hear, hear. I mean, you’re basically railing against one person since anybody with an ounce of sense won’t begrudge ads, but it’s all true anyway. (I had to remove WiC from my whitelist when I started getting ads with audio. If you guys have ANY say in your ads, can I please request no more auto-playing noise ads?)

    I’m chiming in also to lend support to your choice of extra mod, if he doesn’t mind the responsibility. Greatjon of Slumber has long been one of the most engaging voices in the community.

    One final thing: regarding the drumbeat for removal of the editing time limit for posts…they do that in order that people can’t replace a poorly-received comment with something better, or otherwise say something not at all like their OP, which makes any post replying to it before the edit seem extra confusing.

    Maybe extend the time limit another 10 minutes? But I wouldn’t eliminate it entirely.

  324. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    Zack:
    Ser Tahu,
    Hear, hear. I mean, you’re basically railing against one person since anybody with an ounce of sense won’t begrudge ads, but it’s all true anyway. (I had to remove WiC from my whitelist when I started getting ads with audio. If you guys have ANY say in your ads, can I please request no more auto-playing noise ads?)

    One final thing: regarding the drumbeat for removal of the editing time limit for posts…they do that in order that people can’t replace a poorly-received comment with something better, or otherwise say something not at all like their OP, which makes any post replying to it before the edit seem extra confusing.

    Maybe extend the time limit another 10 minutes? But I wouldn’t eliminate it entirely.

    Basically what happened was my laptop died and KG’s comment provided an opportunity for me to rant and vent my anger… And KG’s comment was just terrible :P.

    And you raise a very good point with removing the edit time limit. An extra 5-10 minutes would be very useful though. I actually really like the way Facebook handles comment/post editing now; you can edit as much as you want, but people can view all of the past versions of your post. However, that would be rather tedious to implement as far as the code is concerned.

  325. Rygar
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Its someone else’s turn to pack the bowl.

  326. loco73
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    I think that all these happenings are best described by what Ramsey Snow told Reek aka Theon aka New Varys….”If you think this has a happy ending, then you haven’t been paying attention…”

  327. queenofthorns
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    freoduwebbe,

    Yeah I read Winter’s comment, but it seems to be in conflict with the first comment by Patrick where he said that Fansided staffers would be writing content for the site, not just addressing technical issues. Who knows, maybe it’s not set in stone yet. I’d certainly prefer that GoT fans do the writing, rather than Fansided staff writers who are probably sports fans if anything.

  328. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Yes, some have gone overboard with the anxiety/hate regarding major change of a beloved URL with only a promise of vague benefit, but given the FS examples we’ve seen, there is quite an opportunity for some light-hearted ribbing and fun. The WiC community is much like a remote island in the ocean, proud of its intelligent and slightly obnoxious culture and distinct concerns. Anyone who doesn’t feel some anxiety regarding this integration into a mainstream online society (where fantasy discussions, ideologies, and participation is not the norm) is in the minority.

    Change is a process. Before acceptance, one goes through many phases, including anger, sadness and anxiety….its better to get it out than to let it fester.

  329. Matt Blake
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    I wouldn’t worry about any of this. After reading through every single comment, I think that it makes the most sense for us here at FanSided to keep everything the same, outside of putting up our standard banner ads for the site to generate more revenue from.

    Then we’ll work with everything in the community to come up with a proper redesign which may simply include slightly updating the look/feel, but keeping the core functionality and blog-feel the same. Why ruin a good thing right? Phil already had plans for this and we’ll just continue down his path.

    WiCnet currently has 4 ads (3 banners and an Amazon widget). We’ll put up 3 banners and probably keep the Amazon widget. The only thing I would change is use a 728×90 below the header and that will kill off one of the sidebar 300×250′s.

    You can expect the content and everything else to remain the same.

    I was thinking that we build an entire new mobile app just dedicated to WiCnet….then perhaps a newsletter just dedicated to WiCnet.

    I hear the concerns about our GOT content that appeals to the “masses.” You will not see that content on WiCnet.

  330. Rygar
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Oh ho. Well played campaigning for a modship. You got my vote. Now take off your top!

  331. Johan Sporre
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    You’re talking about the first post where Patrick said they’d give the site resources to make sure WiCnet has more quality staffers omboard? I’m interpreting that sentence as “give money to WiCnet so that they can afford more writers”.

  332. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    Matt Blake,

    That sounds much better!

    Thanks for listening to us. It’s great to see that our evil overlords are thoroughly nice gents. ;)

  333. Ros' Merkin
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad that peoples’ concerns are being heeded. Will previously banned members, such as Epic, be allowed to return once it’s a new site? I think a fresh start would go a long way to creating good will.

  334. loco73
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Matt Blake,

    First of all, thank you for replying to my comment and taking the time to expand further on your ideas and plans for this site. Just to make it clear, the above posted comment and opinion that goes along with it, are entirely my own and I only speak for myself.

    Second, I wouldn’t dream of, nor do I have a right to, tell Winter and his crew what to do with this site, how to manage it etc. They are the ones generating the content, doing the interviews, maintaining the site, in other words they are the ones putting in the necessary work to keep this vibrant community going on.

    Thirdly, I also want to if I may, perhaps shed some light, at least the way I see it, as to why you might be encountering some of the resistence, push back and doubt from the fans of and on this site, mine included.

    We “Game Of Thrones”/”A Song Of Ice And Fire” fans (and I know I’m making a gross overgeneralization, but please indulge me), as far as fandoms go, are quite a tortured bunch. Our brilliant, amazing, visionary and at times even benevolent and cuddly Creator, GRRM, GURRM or George RR Martin, has certainly had his way with us over the intervening years, since the “A Song Of Ice And Fire” saga first came to life with its openning salvo “A Game Of Thrones”. We have been PTSD’d, shell shocked, trench warfarred, pms’d, pre- and post-menopaused by having our favourite characters tortured, killed, beheaded, burned, raped, pillaged, beaten, spayed and neutered or castrated, thrown off of buildings, drowned, frozen, amputated, canibalized and even bitchslapped all in the name of a brilliant story and vision. His two foremost disciples, D&D, or David and Dan, have learned well from their creative daddy and have brought forth an equally striking and compelling visual companion to the brilliant cycle of novels.

    So you see, GoT/ASOIF fandom are quite sanguine, vociferious and unrully, perhaps even more so than other fandoms (no disrespect), when it comes to this whole world we are priviledged to be part of. We get it, our love for all of this comes from the understanding of the essence and spirit of the novels and the television series. So you cannot fault people for feeling some sense of pride and ownership.

    WinterIsComing.Net has been for a lot of these fans, myself included, a wonderful outlet, meeting site and home over the past few years . Winter and his crew have provided all of us with this unique space to gather here and exchange ideas, talk, balk, complain, fight and even troll about what we all love, “Game Of Thrones”. These special threads have provided the foundation of a veritable community (regardless of the fact that it is still described by some under the snarky moniker “on-line”, as if that makes it any less tangible).

    So you and your fellows at the company have to understand that. I think that this is it, the spirit and substance of what all the fans here are concerned and even afraid of loosing. We don’t want to loose our community and even the bonds some have created, regardless if you are a regular or sometimes poster, mod, contributor or lurker etc.

    Change and growth are part and parcel of life, as we all know, but we also know that it isn’t necessarily the case that progress has always been positive or for the better. Progress can go both ways. Thus the replies you have read…the resistence, doubts and even mistrust. We don’t want, as I said before, to become another cog in the wheel, swallowed up and gobbled down into irrelevance.

    So , please, don’t take this the wrong way, but as they say the proof is in the pudding. Many, including myself, will reserve judgment while continuing to express ourselves!

    On that note, Happy New Year to all and may the best still be ahead of us!

  335. Scott Glennon
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    I’m good with everything I have read so far, and I have no issues with anything said. I do however have one concern. Like most of you, I scour the Net looking for anything/everything GoT and sometimes find something rotten.
    I found this at an Entertainment Weekly comment section regarding Maisie Williams: “Damn! I’d do her in a hot minute and all night long!” It was actually worse than that but I think you get my meaning.
    This is PRECISELY the kind of juvenile nonsense that has never been welcome here. Either the mod or fellow commenters would shout them down or throw them out. While I am in favor of growing the fanbase, I am not interested in coming here only to play “Whack-a-Troll” Please tell me there will be good moderation going forward, as good moderation is a hallmark of this site.

    Congratulations, and Good Luck!

    The North Remembers!

  336. Ninepenny
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Thanks for responding. I don’t think it has to be exactly the same design as present, but the current layout and commenting system works really well (i.e. simple blog style, not too cluttered, easy to get to recent content, low barriers to entry). As someone trained in web design I don’t think the FanSided designs would be appropriate for WiC.

    One possible compromise is to use CSS and other coding so that you have multiple designs, e.g. something very similar to the current WiC style by default if you come from WiC.net, and the FanSided look and feel if you come from another FanSided site.

    Patrick Allen: We will certainly consider the community and we may be able to make some adjustments to develop a site that meets reader approval.

    As for the commenting system, it doesn’t have to be Disquss. The commenting system here seems to work great and we have already begun to discuss keeping it.

    There will be some changes and we know that change isn’t always popular but we do hope to demonstrate to you that we do not intent to ruin WIC, only improve it and offer the site more support.

  337. WildSeed
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu: Greatjon of Slumber as a new mod of the site. Although I don’t always agree with him, he has proved time and again that he can write very well thought out posts, and he stimulates and takes part in interesting discussions.

    I second this motion.

  338. Rygar
    Posted January 3, 2014 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I second that emotion.

  339. BelwasBlues
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 2:16 am | Permalink

    I’m late to this party, but I have to say I’m very sad to see WiC, a site I’ve frequented for years now, joining one of those ad-heavy networks with poor writing and presentation. If the new site, as part of that network, looks like that? I’ll sadly be getting my news elsewhere. I know the time and monetary costs of maintaining a site like this have to be high, and you folks would like (and deserve) to be paid more for your work, I hate to see what is almost inevitably going to be a tremendous downgrade in the pipeline.

  340. Felt Pelt
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 3:06 am | Permalink

    Matt Blake,

    *lifts Matt Blake in the air while shouting “Mhysa!”*

    That sounds like it forestalls any complaints and is a lot less drastic. Keeping Phil in control is key. Thank you guys.

  341. OldeCrone
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    Like Scott mentioned in an earlier post I don’t want to play “Whack a Troll” either but when trolls stick their heads above the parapet they have only themselves to blame if they get “whacked” though sometimes if the trolls are saying things to get a reaction it is best not to react ….. I appreciate that a site such as this cannot function just as a labour of love and has to be funded somehow (unless the people behind WiC are secret millionaires which somehow I don’t think is the case); I installed some software which shall be nameless to block ads before I ever visited this site. The problem I have with ads is not with ads as such but the type of intrusive ads that have come to feature on the internet generally in recent years. I got fed up of the ads that cropped up every time I went on line to use email. In the early 2000s the ads were a lot less bothersome, but more recently the Flash ones I found were eating up a lot of my monthly internet allowance. I particularly hate the ones which had an “x” in the corner as if you could click there to close the ad and instead it became bigger. Also the ones which told me three people had “unfriended” me on Facebook when I don’t even belong to Facebook. There is nothing wrong with people using internet dating sites as long as they do so sensibly, but if I ever decide to use one I would choose to do so myself without relying the really “in your face” adverts that a certain internet provider favours. It rather depends what type of ads fansided runs with. There is a site (not Game of Thrones related) that I used to visit but have now stopped which gives a message “Please disable your ad blocking software” – I have instead decided not to visit the site. I appreciate this is a grey area – that the people behind this site are doing it on a voluntary basis and not as their “day” jobs and we live in an expensive world – and often on finite monetary resources in the current economic climate. I don’t want to whinge and whine about fansided when I have never experienced it but I sincerely hope any ads they run will be the less intrusive type.

  342. Patchy Face
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 8:34 am | Permalink

    Matt Blake,

    Thanks Ser – Sounds good and will put a lot of minds to rest. A newsletter would be a nice addition and I would really welcome the phone app as long as I could scroll through easily. For the site fandom, interaction is key.

  343. Zach
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Matt Blake:
    loco73,

    I wouldn’t worry about any of this. After reading through every single comment, I think that it makes the most sense for us here at FanSided to keep everything the same, outside of putting up our standard banner ads for the site to generate more revenue from.

    Then we’ll work with everything in the community to come up with a proper redesign which may simply include slightly updating the look/feel, but keeping the core functionality and blog-feel the same. Why ruin a good thing right? Phil already had plans for this and we’ll just continue down his path.

    WiCnet currently has 4 ads (3 banners and an Amazon widget). We’ll put up 3 banners and probably keep the Amazon widget. The only thing I would change is use a 728×90 below the header and that will kill off one of the sidebar 300×250′s.

    You can expect the content and everything else to remain the same.

    I was thinking that we build an entire new mobile app just dedicated to WiCnet….then perhaps a newsletter just dedicated to WiCnet.

    I hear the concerns about our GOT content that appeals to the “masses.” You will not see that content on WiCnet.

    Wanted to let everyone know that I have also read through each comment and we have taken each one into account. I wanted to thank all of your for the enthusiasm you have for your site and the great feedback given. When we started our company, over seven years ago, we wanted to have sites that had this exact community; passionate, dedicated, and with love for community & content. We don’t want to ruin any of that for anyone. Like Matt said, “Why ruin a good thing”.

    I can also promise you we are not a typically corporate company with a “corporate environment” as we strive to listen to everyone one of our readers. I am one of the original owners and am still a high school teacher by day, so we aren’t wearing suits and making decisions from a top floor in a big city.

    Again just want to thank all of you for the comments and we will make sure that this community keeps thriving while enjoying GOT! Thanks!

    Zach Best

  344. Pau
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Well seems I’m a little late to the party but as a member of this community since the start (as a lurker first and posting under the name Thorrgal later), and after reading all the posts on this thread I wanted to give my full unconditional support to Phil and the rest of the crew.

    That is all

  345. WildSeed
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Matt Blake,

    Thanks for the clarification and acknowledgement of our collective concerns. Would our current site lose the Tags and Archives_ sidebars ? or just relocated ? These come in handy, especially reference, and in addition to the Tabs heading located at the top of the page here. When the upper page tab is clicked, additional categories are highlighted for a search within the site.

    In addition to the real concerns that some here have voiced, we really want what’s best and in everyone’s best interest. Thanks again for the response.

  346. WildSeed
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Pau,

    Never too late ser . Funny, I was thinking about you just today. It appears that darquemode has taken an hiatus from the brawls here, of late, as well. *>*

  347. Pau
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Pau,

    Never too late ser . Funny, I was thinking about you just today. It appears that darquemode has taken an hiatus from the brawls here, of late, as well.*>*

    Well thanks a lot :-D

    I still read you guys but I have been to busy to write as of late ,mainly because I’ve been out of the office where I used to do most of the posting (and 10 days in Vegas celebrating my 40th birthday with 10 crazy guys also from Barcelona :P) .

    But I’ll be back for more debating action soon ;)

  348. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Pau,

    I thought you were busy planning the revolution….I mean…secession.

    :)

    Benvingut de nou!

  349. Pau
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Pau,

    I thought you were busy planning the revolution….I mean…secession.

    :)

    That too :P

  350. WildSeed
    Posted January 4, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Pau,

    ” what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas ” ( :

  351. Abendstern
    Posted January 5, 2014 at 5:25 am | Permalink

    I’m not writing that often, but I’m with this site for some years now.
    I can understand wic’s reason for giving the technical handling of the site to some people, who know what they do and then having more time for actual content.
    But seriously, there were not one example website between the many links above that were better in any way than the actual design. I come to hate the picture headline design of articals and overuse of buttons to socialnetworks I do not like or frequent. and I do not get why every post has to be linked to facebook, twitter, google, whatever, that is getting really annoying! And that after addblock got rid of all the advertising already, it still looks terrible.
    Is it just me or is webdesign going down to hell the last couple of years. Everything seems to be designed to be accessible by smartphones, looking quite ridiculous on a 22″ monitor on an actual pc.
    After having seen the changes on mayor websites like ebay or even my webmail client, I fear that one of the last nice oldstyle websites will go down as well.

  352. Valakarr
    Posted January 5, 2014 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    I appreciate the feedback, and engagement by the fellows over at fan sided and that they seem to respect our collective opinions.

    On the bright side keeping things simlle, and familiar to what we have now, will in theory make things easier.

    I for one view the Website on my mobile, so some companion apps to this community would be a welcome addition.

  353. Pau
    Posted January 5, 2014 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Abendstern:
    I’m not writing that often, but I’m with this site for some years now.
    I can understand wic’s reason for giving the technical handling of the site to some people, who know what they do and then having more time for actual content.
    But seriously, there were not one example website between the many links above that were better in any way than the actual design. I come to hate the picture headline design of articals and overuse of buttons to socialnetworks I do not like or frequent. and I do not get why every post has to be linked to facebook, twitter, google, whatever, that is getting really annoying! And that after addblock got rid of all the advertising already, it still looks terrible.
    Is it just me or is webdesign going down to hell the last couple of years. Everything seems to be designed to be accessible by smartphones, looking quite ridiculous on a 22″ monitor on an actual pc.
    After having seen the changes on mayor websites like ebay or even my webmail client, I fear that one of the last nice oldstyle websites will go down as well.

    And life will go on and nothing will happen…and soon most people will get used to the new desing.

    Talk about first world problems…

  354. Abyss
    Posted January 5, 2014 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    Btw, it would be nice if we could get the “Recent Comment” section for the mobile version in the new site. I find it very helpful for getting an idea of what the discussion is about at the moment.

  355. BelwasBlues
    Posted January 6, 2014 at 3:09 am | Permalink

    Does that idea of keeping everything the same include not putting in the adlinks under posts that look like real stories, but are clickbait ad content?

    I’m seeing these link blocks more and more often and they really turn me off any website that includes them, to be honest.

    I appreciate knowing our concerns are heard.

  356. Cal
    Posted January 6, 2014 at 10:57 am | Permalink

    I was reminded of this when reading the announcement: http://beta.southparkstudios.com/clips/154600/the-same-mistake
    Oh well…good luck.

  357. Volk comics
    Posted January 6, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    What could a network, especially a network that’s primarily about sports, offer the readers? We can be pretty sure what we’re giving up in this exchange: we’ll have to look at more ads and links to completely unrelated fan sites on the network. There will be a redesign that’s a solution looking for a problem, and some functionality will probably be lost. It’s likely that we’ll have to create accounts with the network n order to keep posting comments. What do the readers get in return for putting up with all this?

  358. Atreyu
    Posted January 6, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Zach: Wanted to let everyone know that I have also read through each comment and we have taken each one into account.

    Well, that’s good to know and I appreciate the interest in my services. But, just so there’s no surprises, nobody in this town works without a retainer, guys. You think you can find somebody who does, let me tell ya: you have my blessing. But I think we all know that person is not going to represent you as well as I can.

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