Awards Season 3

WiCnet Awards Season Three: Full list of winners

The winners of the WiCnet Awards for season three were announced live, last night. Here now is the complete list of winners. The poll voting breakdowns are after the break.

Best Episode: Ep. 29 “The Rains of Castamere”
Best Actor: Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister
Best Actress: Michelle Fairley as Catelyn Stark
Best Supporting Actor: Michael McElhatton as Roose Bolton
Best Supporting Actress: Gwendoline Christie as Brienne of Tarth
Best Scene Stealer: David Bradley as Walder Frey
Best CGI Scene: Daenerys’s dragon unleashes its fire on Astapor
Best Action Scene: Beric Dondarrion duels the Hound
Best Dramatic Scene: The Red Wedding
Best Death Scene: Catelyn Stark
Best Comedic Scene: Small Council musical chairs
Best One-Liner: “A sword swallower through and through.”  – Olenna Tyrell discussing Loras in “The Climb”
Best Quote: “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention.” -Ramsay Snow, “The Climb”

Ours is the Fury: Congratulations to all the winners of this year’s awards! And a big thank you to everyone who voted in the polls.


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188 Comments

  • Not too surprising results, the top 3 episodes was certainly a given.

    Hopefully with her material in season 4, Sophie Turner can find some more love.

  • Damn, no love for sansa. I agree with Michelle winning but I am sad to see Sophie on the last place. IMO Sophie is awesome! I can’t imagine any other actress playing Sansa better, as someone esle said on this site (I think) “she is Sansa”.

  • Hmm.. I still like that “The Lisa Arryn of chairs” quote. Also thought Drogon fishing was the best cgi. But overall I pretty much agree with the results. Am pleasantly surprised so many liked The Climb too. Def think ep301 did not deserve to be ranked last.

  • Balerion,

    Sophie was amazing this season, it’s just the producers kind of shit on her. They robbed her of her emotional scenes when Petyr leaves the city and she ends up trapped and engaged to Tyrion, and finding out about the RW and instead gave her a few seconds of crying for both… and then gave her the sheep shift scene and that godawful scene with Loras

    She’ll get her chance next season

  • Tyrion didn’t have to tell Sansa the bad news about her mum and bro because all the heartache from already knowing was beautifully portrayed on her face.

    Her convo with Tyrion about the sheep “shift” was adorable. One my favorite exchanges this season.

  • Some pretty close ones in there. Diana Rigg couldn’t have lost by much less. I figured that one was going to be tight. Maisie didn’t miss a three-peat by much, percentage wise.

    I think the best episode gap ended how it felt it would during the week of voting. Comments really felt like there were the normal #9 praisers, then there were a lot that seemed to split between #4 and #5. My personal favorite is #4 but I see the merits in the others. BTW, towerofthehand.com episode ratings for the season go #9, #4, #5 as well.

  • Rygar,

    i like that it’s a reminder of how naive and innocent she still is, but the principle of the scene makes me mad when it goes in the complete opposite direction to the book just because who can’t love Peter Dinklage, especially when the time could have been used for a heartbreaking scene.
    But it was still a nice breath of fresh air

  • Sophie doesn’t get love because of her “damsel in distress character”. I’m sure people view that as weak or unspealing. Look at Larry Williams’ Sansa rant for example. Or better yet, don’t look at it but know that it’s there :).

  • Also, the female lead actor category was stacked. Sophie has no chance against Arya, Cat, Cersei. I’d argue she is on par with Dany and Margaery in terms of my character power rankings

  • AMAZED Sophie was last – she was superb.

    Disappointed that the “sword swallower” line won. I think that was fairly cheap. The “Lisa Arryn of chairs” line was much better.

  • Seriously? Sophie in last place? It’s so disappointing to see 3 seasons worth of a brilliantly portrayed Sansa, despite how robbed her character was (Second Sons should have been Sansa’s episode. They gave all the emotion to Tyrion and stripped Sansa of all depth even though the event was in her damn POV. Ugh. Sophie could have slaughtered those scenes. D&D crippled her development with that episode imo.)

    She has to nuance her performance so much to bring Sansa out. She barely gets any screentime, and shows everything Sansa is feeling with subtle facial expressions and minimal dialogue. It just pisses me off. Next season will be her season for sure. I will be so upset if D&D make it all about Littlefinger instead. Please don’t ruin my favorite character!

    But well done Michelle, you deserved it completely.

  • the only thing I would change is the supporting actor. Conleth Hill all the way!

    Who would bet with me that Mhysa, instead being on the 8th place, would have been on the second place, if the Lady SH reveal would have taken place? That scene alone would have changed everything. I’m still confounded about that.. the building towards it, the timing, the Beric arc… everything was in place only for IT to happen… and it didn’t. *mind-boggled until S4, and what’s in store about that*

  • The audience, especially a mass TV audience, is more or less hardwired to feel certain ways about certain types of characters. Sansa is one of the most passive characters, and is seen as weak when you put that type up against the “strong” characters like Arya and the rest. Also, you have to keep in mind that most people have seen the show a grand total of one or two times. Some people who have read the books three or four times are guaranteed to have a deeper understanding and appreciation for a character like that. So it isn’t the producers’ fault that the audience feels that way towards the character.

  • Rygar:
    I rewatched Mysha last night and apart from Rose Leslie I felt it was a strong episode.

    I thought Rose was great but hated the crowdsurfing finale. If they had fixed that part and also ended with Stoneheart, I think it would rank up there as #2 or #3, because I agree it is a very very strong episode otherwise.

  • ‘Kissed By Fire’ was the only Episode of the Season that surpassed my expectations.
    Thank you Brian Cogman, can’t wait to watch your two Episodes from Season 4.

    Oh and ‘Mhysa’ is the most underrated episode by far.

  • Glad to see my vote for Paul Kaye in the scene stealer category get a close second. Was surprised that Kraznys was last, though, I expected it to be a race between him and Frey.

  • The only 2 choices that I really think the majority made the wrong choice was:

    Charles Dance as Tywin should have won best male actor.

    Liam Cunningham as Davos should have won best male supporting actor.

    I didn’t agree with some others but could see why people would like them better than my personal preference.

    However, Mr Dance pretty much owns every scene his in and Cunningham plays Davos perfectly how I imagined him from the books, basically another honorable Ned Stark.

  • Enfield:
    So it isn’t the producers’ fault that the audience feels that way towards the character.

    I have to disagree with you there.

    It is actually the producers’ fault to an extent. When they don’t accurately present her character to the audience by cutting a multitude of her “telling” scenes and not giving her Sansa’s book dialogue it majorly damages the character, also affecting the way the audience views her.

    For example, if the show runners had Sansa unaware of her wedding to Tyrion and followed the book, the audience would have seen a young girl forced into a marriage instead of making her look shallow (a turn-off for the watchers) for not wanting to marry him (“but he’s a dwarf!” made her look awful). If they had the wedding from Sansa’s perspective she may have garnered more support, she would have been seen as more sympathetic. “I am a Stark, I can be brave”, not kneeling, etc.

  • THOROS of MYR: I see your point but regardless her acting was splendid.

    as always, even when she’s deprived of the limelight

    facelessarya,

    definitely, but I reckon she’ll get a lot more sympathy being around someone betrayed as creepy and sociopathic, so fingers crossed

  • Enfield,

    If they gave a scene of her being told and having to keep a straight face, and then going back to her chambers and having a breakdown, the audience would think she was strong and sympathise.

    Take Skylar White as example, when she doesn’t get exposition she’s a bitch and everyone hates her, when she does she’s understandable and strong. Audience opinion is all in the producers’ hands.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I missed the crowd surfing initially as I had too much to drink and went in for a two min long piss. Watching it last night, fully expecting it to happen, it didn’t bother me. Maybe, unspoiled, I would have felt different.

    I felt Kit ruined his scene with Rose. and her fake accent ruined her. ;)

  • not necessarily what I voted for but I am not surprised at the results other then the CGI scene, I would have guessed Climbing the Wall would win, but I think I did vote for burnt slaver.

  • House Mormont,

    I just hope they do the LF/Alayne dynamic correctly. I really hope they don’t just show Petyr as they did with Tyrion. I really want to see Sansa struggle to become Alayne and wear a bastard’s disguise. I want them to show her being simultaneously intrigued yet repulsed by Petyr and his advances/politics. I think Sophie can play both sides really well, I pray they gave her the material. She’s been great with Aiden Gillen so far!

  • Summer is Coming:
    the only thing I would change is the supporting actor. Conleth Hill all the way!

    Who would bet with me that Mhysa, instead being on the 8th place, would have been on the second place, if the Lady SH reveal would have taken place? That scene alone would have changed everything. I’m still confounded about that.. the building towards it, the timing, the Beric arc… everything was in place only for IT to happen… and it didn’t. *mind-boggled until S4, and what’s in store about that*

    It was too early for that, surely. The scene that you describe will have much more impact in season 4. I agree that the crowd surfing ending didn’t leave the same impression as the endings to the previous seasons however.

  • facelessarya,

    I don’t disagree with you on most of your points. Maybe a better way of saying it would be that it isn’t entirely the producers’ fault. They probably could have showed more of Sansa, but I don’t think what was shown was majorly damaging to anyone who didn’t already have a skewed view of the character in the first place. Most people are more loyal to Tyrion as a character, so when they see Sansa react poorly to a marriage with him they have a gut reaction. Of course you could argue that they should have written more of a reaction from her, but people who watch it again will probably have a more sympathetic view of her.

    Besides, this could all be set up for a twist next season when she actually starts making real moves. Next season should have more room for those sympathetic moments that were missing in Season 3. Peter Dinklage has been praising her acting in the offseason, saying that he works with her a lot. I’m optimistic for the character.

    Edit: By the way, nothing would have been more damaging to perception of her than not kneeling during the wedding.

  • Better idea. Get rid of Lady Stoneheart all together. Worst character decision ever. I am all for eliminating zombie Cat. Seen Pet Sementary already. I’m good.

  • Ozymandias,

    Are you serious?

    I wouldn’t mind that happening at all and if his portrayal of The Red Viper is amazing that will only elevate the whole season so I hope you’re right… Just wondering if there is any evidence available to support your claim.

  • Arthur,

    I just see potential in him, saw his performance on Homeland and Graceland. He gave me a great impression plus he have the arrogance of The RV.

  • The only surprise is Melisandre got so little love.
    Also poor Issac never gets any acknowledgement for being the best child actor in the show.
    Suck to be him to have like 30 seconds of screen time each episode in season 3.
    Hope he will get more stuff to do next season.

  • Ozymandias,

    Awesome!

    I hope he does and the RV is one of the things I look forward to the most. If his portrayal is amazing than we are in store for a great season, I think overall even better than season 3.

  • Rygar,

    Agree. I was glad when UnCat never turned up in Mhysa. Probably my least favorite plotwist in the series. Ok, other than Aegon is alive

  • Arthur,

    If Season 4 is not better than the third I would be terribly disappointed….
    We know it will have a lot more action so that’s a good sign.

  • I know it generates more discussion, but I wish the vote totals weren’t released, on the off-off chance anyone from the show looks at them and is disappointed.

    Don’t worry underdogs, I voted for you! I think only a couple of mine became eventual winners.

    ETA: I also think this year GoT gets some serious discussion for “Best Show on Television” outside the fanbase. The competing ranks have thinned and I expect this season to be the strongest yet.

  • Ozymandias,

    Agreed, season 3 was good but the red wedding totally overshadowed everything.

    Season 4 will have so many cool events in different storylines and multiple climaxes/playoffs (whatever you want to call them) that we will be drooling for more after each episode.

  • Ozymandias,

    I forgot that he was in Homeland. Just pulled up the episode in which he appeared- was definitely a good performance, albeit a “once scene wonder”.

  • Enfield,

    I agree. The producers are not entirely at fault, although they do deserve to be questioned on most of their calls concerning her character. But, you’re right, there is already a negative predisposition towards Sansa lingering from Season 1, yet D&D did nothing to help her gain favor with them cutting her scenes.

  • House Mormont,

    The Petyr/Sansa dynamic is probably my favorite out of the entire series. It’s so effed up and that’s what I find so fascinating about it. It’s all psychological. Emotional manipulation on both sides. Petyr wants Sansa to want him and appreciate him, and I think Sansa knows that about him. He wears so many personalities. It’s fascinating, especially from Sansa’s point of view.

  • Turri,

    That guy looks mean and totally looks the part…

    I’m guessing that’s the guy Arya gives the coin to at the end of the season?

  • Frankly I do think Sansa is pretty awful this season. Her occupying a huge chunk of time really makes it quite unbearable. I just think all the results seem quite fair and accurate.

  • facelessarya,

    I wish we got more Sansa chapters in a feast with dragons, it’s so ambiguous what their true motives are right now and who knows how the plan he tells her about in her last chapter will reeeeaaally play out. Maybe D&D will foreshadow some before Winds comes out

  • House Mormont,

    Yeah the way AFFC ended, Sansa/Alayne’s storyline is really ambiguous at this point. And GRRM has hinted that her plotline changes drastically, that was the reason he didn’t want to add another chapter in Feast. But I think it was a good place to end it. We’re all dying to find out what happens after LF made the big reveal.

  • Sorry to be that shallow, but I am so glad about the results, not only who win in each category, but even the detailed proportions of the votes correspond to my feelings concerning season 3. I have nothing interesting to add ^^Except that I am so glad guys that so many people praised Michelle Fairley, that Tywin, Varys, Olenna and Margaery get so many votes…. Ah this TV-show is awesome, and its fan-base is the best <3

  • Ours is the Fury: I thought Rose was great but hated the crowdsurfing finale. If they had fixed that part and also ended with Stoneheart, I think it would rank up there as #2 or #3, because I agree it is a very very strong episode otherwise.

    Wow. I didn’t know that you were on board with that supernatural ending for S3. I’ll drink to that! I had hoped for it to be true but maybe D&D will surprise us yet…..(see Ser Tahu’s cold open for S4). Yeah right…wishful thinking…..(fingers crossed)

  • Rygar:
    Better idea.Get rid of Lady Stoneheart all together.Worst character decision ever. I am all for eliminating zombie Cat.Seen Pet Sementary already.I’m good.

    But it is her “bonding” with the BwB that makes it interesting. Her fuckin’ rage, man! Personally, I’m hoping for an LS Pov! Hah!

  • The things I find weird in the voting:
    – The Bear and the Maiden Fair and The Climb above Second Sons and Walk of Punishment?
    – Locke and Kraznys as the bottom two in scene stealer!?!?

    Arthur,
    Having now seen Pedro Pascal in both Graceland and The Good Wife (and his Homeland scene) I can confirm that he is a very competent actor. As to whether he will be the best scene stealer, I am not sure. I imagine he is more likely to be nominated for best supporting actor :P.

    Speaking of Pedro, are we ever going to change the poll at the bottom of the site?

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    Though the end of Mhysa was underwhelming, it had a lot of characters to check in on and arcs to set up and whatnot, there wasn’t enough to time to properly establish the unCat business. Though I hoped that they would have done that, much like a lot of others on this board, in hindsight I don’t the pacing would have been right. That moment will be more effective when executed next season.

    As for how they should have ended Mhysa instead, I don’t know. I think it came from its being only two-thirds through aSoS. They had to do something so why not push for an uplifting moment that was a little forced. But its not as awful as people say. The camera zooming up at the end was pretty awesome and maybe the most epic shot ever on TV. What led up to it was weaker but what’s done is done.

  • Ser Tahu:
    The things I find weird in the voting:
    – The Bear and the Maiden Fair and The Climb above Second Sons and Walk of Punishment?

    Well 7 of the episodes accounted for less than 10% of the vote, so the result for those 7 episodes isn’t all that significant. If the remaining 90% of the vote were allowed to choose their second favorite episode we would probably get a different result. For example, ‘The Bear and the Maiden Fair’ may have had a small boost from GRRM loyalists – an effect which would be masked were the remaining 90% able to vote. It only got 0.16% more than Second Sons!

    Good to hear Pedro Pascal’s doing a good job. I wish someone would upload his scene up to youtube.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I believe D&D mentioned that with the extreme downer that was ep. 9, they wanted a more uplifting finale for season 3 than a wtf scene. I hope for season 4, they have a terrifying wtf Ice finale like season 2.
    Did anyone see the Jerome Flynn interview where he mentioned he has a sword fight with someone, and it wasn’t from the books. My bet is he replaces Ser Payne as Jaime’s sparring partner.
    My idea for a wtf moment is either Bran and dead man or WW show up at the wall, because there will only be 3-4 more seasons and they have to speed things up, which means cutting room floor.

  • Folks, why would the LS reveal have happened in Mhysa? It doesn’t happen until the last page of the book!?

  • Greenjones:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    As for how they should have ended Mhysa instead, I don’t know….

    As for how they should have ended Mhysa instead, I don’t know. I think it came from its being only two-thirds through aSoS. They had to do something so why not push for an uplifting moment that was a little forced….

    Truthfully, anything we get in GoT is a proverbial cherry on top of the “books” in my mind. There have been too many epic moments to complain….but still I have preferences and I often imagine (as do others) what could have been. The whole PoV nature of the books makes adapting GoT very flexible, imo…something that is only passively mentioned in the books could be front-and-center in GoT. I like that possibility.

  • Jim:
    Folks, why would the LS reveal have happened in Mhysa?It doesn’t happen until the last page of the book!?

    We thought it would be Beric resurrecting Catelyn, which is not directly described in the books but does happen. We thought the title ‘Mhysa’ and Robb’s last words of ‘mother’ as being giveaways for an epic ending. (controversy about the whole resurrection thing to one side).

  • Family, Duty, Hodor: We thought it would be Beric resurrecting Catelyn, which is not directly described in the books but does happen. We thought the title ‘Mhysa’ and Robb’s last words of ‘mother’ as being giveaways for an epic ending. (controversy about the whole resurrection thing to one side).

    Thx, FDH…perfectly stated!

  • Well the quote is there, but for me the best quote , best line in all of season three was in a fabricated language! (Guess there is no category for that?)

    Nyke Daenerys Jelmāzmo hen Targārio Lentrot, hen Valyrio Uēpo ānogār iksan. Valyrio muño ēngos ñuhys issa.

  • Boojam,

    Alex Graves is doing 2,3,8 and 10 in season 4 too! So I guess he’ll have the PW, the RV/mountain duel, “Only Cat”, Tywin and Shae dying, the chaining of the dragons, and probably the Meereen champion fight, the fight at the Crossroads Inn, Lady Stoneheart and maybe some Bloodraven/Leaf action

  • Abyss: Is it really? I didn’t know about him. When was his casting reported?

    I’m the one who found his casting and tweeted it a couple weeks ago. He’s basically a featured extra so he wouldn’t really merit a post here of his own unless there was other news to go with it. Looks like Arya’s story in S4 would be ending with her headed out to Braavos as everyone expected so it’s not that big news. Technically he could be involved with the other Braavosi-connected character, Tycho Nestoris, but I think we can safely assume he’s the captain we see with Arya.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    We just pine for these tidbits, even if they’re seemingly insignificant. Like this summer when the news came in about Trixiebell Harrowell (is that how you spell it?) which could also lead us to make certain inferences (albeit small ones) about the Arya storyline. Especially now that they aren’t filming, these bits of casting info are rarer and thus more rewarding despite their being so small.

    I ought to have been reading your twitter more regularly.

  • Sophie Turner will get her larger scenes that may be vote-worthy, in the future.
    Nice to see that the comedic scene category went to Tywin’s office/ musical chairs scene.

  • I wish Jaime’s line, something like “if the Iron Throne were made of cocks you’d never have got Renly off it” had been included for one-liner. My fave :)

    Anyway, as to this vote, some of mine won, others, my choice came in last. Ah well. But how the hell 26 and 27 got higher ranked than 28, I will never understand.

  • [email protected] Stark says:

    The North Remembered! Thank you bannermen for Cat’s recognition :heart:

  • no trailers yet? no countdown?

    it seems hbo will generate a last minute buzz for season 4.

    OT, i really hoped the bath tub scene won but it hard when you coe against the red wedding itself

  • I really hope they manage to convey somehow that Sansa sees LF as two different people at different times. He’s Petyr and he’s Littlefinger. I don’t know how they’ll do it though. Shae made a good vehicle for Sansa to express her inner monologue and I wonder how they’ll replace that.

  • Croccifixio:
    no trailers yet? no countdown?

    it seems hbo will generate a last minute buzz for season 4.

    OT, i really hoped the bath tub scene won but it hard when you coe against the red wedding itself

    Yeah, we need a behind the scenes video badly. Hopefully before True Detective. I’m still eager to see some Wall footage.

  • I love Sophie Turner’s acting, but I hate what they’re doing with Sansa in the show.
    They keep telling her story in favor of Tyrion no wonder why no one can really understand her.

  • I’m happy Michelle won even if they didn’t really give her anything to do until the RW (which was amazing). Also sad that Sophie is last she is one of my favourites on the show and has completely transformed how I think about Sansa, but I’m still annoyed that they changed the circumstances of the wedding because it was more important to make Tyrion a nice heroic dude than to focus on Sansa and her small act of rebellion. She did really well with what she was given (particularly the scene where she tells Olenna and Margaery the truth about Joffrey which just broke my heart) but I get annoyed when they make writing decisions to downplay the importance of characters like Catelyn and Sansa throughout a whole season. I don’t want to denigrate David and Dan’s motives as overall I think they do a great job, but part of the reason why ASOIAF is so groundbreaking in the fantasy genre is that more traditionally ‘feminine’ characters like Cateleyn and Sansa are just as important and heroic as more conventional heroines like Arya. Anyway, rant over – I think all the actors in this show are incredible anyway, so it seems silly to try and rank them – but happy for Nikolaj and Gwen – they were my absolute favourite part of season 3.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I agree with Greenjones. I know it’s more work, but for the main fan site for Game of Thrones every bit of news should be important enough to make a post about it. I have absolutely no problem with posts that have only the length of a tweet. You guys could even invent a new category for it, something like “news bit” or whatever. ;-)

  • Ozymandias,

    Dude he was in like…two scenes in Homeland. All he did was nod and look skeptical.

    Not that I don’t think he’ll be good, but I would never cite that as an example of his acting ability.

  • So HBO’s ‘True Detective’ is only going to be a one season 8 episode miniseries?

    That’s cool, I’m glad, HBO needs to do more of these miniseries…

    Like a HBO quality remake of ‘Shogun’ =]

  • Arthur,

    You’re half right. Each season there will be a new story and set of characters. So it seems like it is an anthology of connected seasons that are self-contained. Pretty cool concept. I haven’t seen American Horror Story but it seems to be a similar thing.

  • Maddy,

    I like Sansa, but have a hard time seeing her as a hero. She really spends most of her time in King’s Landing having things done to her, as opossed to actively doing anything, which makes her story difficult to adapt. The few things she does actually do usually hurt her image in the eyes of viewers. Some still haven’t forgiven her for refusing to rat out Joffrey for the whole wolf thing in the second episode.

    And her act of rebellion that D&D wisely edited out would have been unforgivable for viewers.

    I would have liked to see Sansa react to the news that she would marry Tyrion. And her reaction to the news that her mother and brother were killed. But I think even having those scenes wouldn’t propel her over her competitors here, not because of acting ability, but because she actively does so little (books and show) for this part of the story. Compare that to Michelle (didn’t do much but had a great death scene), Emilia and Maisie (who were the protagonists of their respective storylines) and it’s no surprise she’s in the bottom two.

  • Enfield,

    That makes sense…

    I bet HBO is using that formula so they can get some big name actors. Big name actors would agree since it would only be a single season commitment.

  • Hodor Targaryen,

    I understand that Sansa is a difficult character to show on screen because she is perceived as being ‘passive’ but I think they have such a great young actress that it’s a shame when she doesn’t get the screentime. The same goes for Bran, although in that case I think it’s more to do with the source material. She might not get to fight with a sword like Arya, but she has to survive all that shit in KL without letting her mask slip. She doesn’t have the chance to be ‘active’ in the story so far, but that doesn’t mean the simple fact that she has managed to survive so far is somehow less impressive because she isn’t stereotypically ‘strong’. I get that it wouldn’t have made sense for her to refuse to kneel in the circumstances that were there in the show, because unlike the books she had some time to get used to the situation, but I feel like the reason they changed it was because they felt it was more important for Tyrion to be a likeable hero. And if they were going to change it, why didn’t we at least get to see Sansa’s reaction to the news?

    I get that they maybe they didn’t want to deal with the Sansa hate, but I don’t care about characters being likeable, I care about them being nuanced and interesting. Sansa refusing to kneel in the book is her one small act of rebellion and her only chance to protest against her lack of agency – yeah it sucks that it’s against Tyrion who is a character we like, but it makes sense from her point of view, and it doesn’t cancel out the fact that she does eventually feel some empathy for him and kneel and does recognise that he is kind to her. I think it was brilliantly acted on the part of Sophie Turner and Peter Dinklage, but I still resent the change. That said, I’m looking forward to Sansa’s material next season, and I’m interested to see what they do with Jaime and Brienne arriving earlier in KL.

  • I am amazed Peter Drunklage didn’t win best comedic scene. Otherwise it all seems about right!

    Bring on season 4!

  • I don’t understand how Michelle “didn’t do much”? Her being reproached by her son in 301(the look on her face crushes me) her reaction to Bran and Rickon presumed dead, her non BookCanon but heartfelt confession to Talisa (beginning with her comment on Talisa’s handling of her horse), her heart to heart with the Blackfish (remembering her father and her children) her ability to do nothing when Karstark is executed. I could go on and on. It was a building dread and anxiety that became manifest at the Red Wedding. The rewatch of season 3 only confirms it for me.

  • Maddy,

    I get your point, but wouldn’t you say the situation is radically different enough in the books to the point that it was necessary to change it? You can discuss the relative worth of how the season was paced separately, but the fact remains that Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion wasn’t the shotgun wedding of the books. She’s had time to come to terms with their engagement, and her act of defiance would have appeared a bit too calculated and cruel, as opposed to an act of defiance. In my opinion, at least.

    I think it was a smart move to give Tyrion and Sansa’s wedding more prominence, as the season needed to be structured in such a way as to allow for A Storm of Swords to be more effectively adapted across two seasons. One season obviously wouldn’t have been sufficient, and placing all of the climaxes of the novel into the first half (or so) of the fourth season would have been a bit more than problematic; it would have been pretty stupid, to be honest.

    The closing chapters of ASoS represent what essentially amounts to the end of the first act for this story as a whole. Even though material from the two latest books has already (sort of) been included, and since we know that we’ll be seeing a few of the story lines adopt even more of that material next season, the main characters (Arya, Jon, Sansa, Dany, & Tyrion) all needed to end their arcs where the third book ended for maximum dramatic impact.

  • Also, just a few ideas for possible additions to the categories next season:

    Best Scene Not From the Books
    Best One-Season Actor/Actress
    Best New Actor
    Best Story Line
    Best Use of Practical Effects
    Best Stunt

  • Maddy,

    I think you can be heroic without being stereotypically strong. Catelyn I think falls in that category. I still think there’s a lack of agency for Sansa, and she’s more victim than hero at this point. I like her as a character, and certainly sympathize with her predicament, I just wouldn’t call her a hero, and I don’t think there’s anything heroic that D&D skipped in the translation of her character.

    I don’t understand the argument that D&D took out Sansa’s refusal to kneel to make Tyrion look better. How does Sansa’s agreeing to kneel reflect anything about Tyrion? How does it make him more likable? It was her decision, and reflects on her. I don’t think Tyrion’s likability would have seriously been in danger if Sansa didn’t kneel, the opposite is probably true.

    You seem to understand why the circumstances dictated she agree to kneel…the only thing you resent is the motivation for the change, which is pure speculation. There were perfectly rational reasons why the refusal to kneel was cut, so I don’t understand the resentment for it.

  • Joshua Atreides:
    I don’t understand how Michelle “didn’t do much”?Her being reproached by her son in 301(the look on her face crushes me) her reaction to Bran and Rickon presumed dead, her non BookCanon but heartfelt confession to Talisa (beginning with her comment on Talisa’s handling of her horse), her heart to heart with the Blackfish (remembering her father and her children) her ability to do nothing when Karstark is executed. I could go on and on. It was a building dread and anxiety that became manifest at the Red Wedding. The rewatch of season 3 only confirms it for me.

    This. Although i did wish they gave her even more.

  • I am glad for all the winners in the acting categories, although I also sort of hoped Charles Dance would win. It seems fans on fan sites feel vindicated when giving good actors their own awards when overlooked at big award shows or perceived as flying under the radar.

    The Sansa discussion seem to be riddled with the same voiced frustrations as the on-show characterizations of Stannis and Jon. In Stannis’s storyline, a dark yet seemingly powerful female character like Mel is also overplayed (even though I love Carice’s Mel), sometimes giving the impression that Stannis is a weak and perverted religious fanatic (I still also like Stephen Dillane though). Many agree that Jon’s passivity and introvertedness sometimes comes across as dopey and stupid (which is not always the case, however), but Jon’s need to take action in S4 might help in this regard. Saying this, it was disappointing to read that Oz thought Alisser would be a strong candidate for Lord Commander (which I understand), and completely overlooking Jon as a possible candidate, but it just shows how Jon is currently completely flying under the radar of casual fans, unfortunately.

    The archetypal powerful female strikes more of a chord with audiences (and a lot of critics, it seems), to be sure, while the value of more traditional female types (Cat and Sansa) are underplayed. David and Dan seem to love to give a lot of attention to the more powerful or manipulative ones (like Margery and Olenna), they love fixating on all the “strong” women, but the focus (with the exception of Davos) is also lost on strong and nuanced male characters (Stannis, Mance, Jon). I recently saw The Woman in Black again and it really is such a disgrace to not give someone like Ciaran Hinds material on the level of Lady Olenna’s.

    I have yet to rewatch the third season again, so I might be wrong in some of my assessments, but here’s to hoping to some improvement with especially the last three mentioned, since these three will clash in what I know we all hope to be some epic scenes in season four (hopefully with all three of them together in one scene). :)

  • Ours is the Fury,

    Every scene in its own right was strong, but all in all it felt stuck in place. Previous seasons ended with a bang, but this season ended with “Everyone is dead. But oh, look, Dany!” I was one of the people that was completely against seeing Stoneheart in the finale, given that I wanted the reveal to be like the book as opposed to a scene depicting the resurrection which would have been bad compared to the book reveal IMO, but the way it ended was worse. I still think Joffrey’s wedding should have ended the season… T’would have been perfect.

    One thing I don’t understand about the poll was how in god’s name The Bear and the Maiden Fair ranked so high and even above Second Sons- which was the best slowish episode of the season and probably one of the best in the whole series. That episode is really unappreciated IMO.

  • Giantsbabe,

    I think the issue with Jon this season (and for the most part, it was a significant improvement on season 2) was how it became way too romantic and in a lovey-dovey way that’s more than a little cliche. In that last scene, which was expertly played by Rose, Kit overdid it a bit (and that’s the first time I blamed his acting). He ended up looking weak, and the trend of the stupid loving couple continued. Also, not being able to see Jon’s thoughts throughout his journey in season 3 made his true intentions unclear, and his struggle with keeping his vows. In the first sex scene with Ygritte, it didn’t seem like it bothered him much that he was breaking his oath.

    As for Stannis, he Dillane is playing him correctly. It’s just that D&D are making no attempt to whitewash him and his actions.People seem to forget that Stannis only really becomes awesome after book 3. Before that, he was exactly the same manipulated, and cold man the show puts on screen. I think Season 5 will be the time to truly judge TV Stannis, and I don’t think we’ll be disappointed.

    Mance… was wrongly cast. He was supposed to be a young(ish), charismatic leader and he just didn’t give the same vibe as in the books. I don’t think it’s because of the acting, though, it’s just a wrong casting IMO. Time will tell if the choice actually pay off for the show.

    Anyway, 5 more days to go till a possible season 4 video!

  • Khal-A-Bunga,

    I’ll add to that:
    Most anticipated storyline for the next season.

    What it means is, which story arc are you most waiting for? Tyrion, Jon, Dany, Arya, Bran, Sansa, Theon… It would be interesting to see what fans are waiting for the most.

  • Jentario

    Not being able to see Jon’s thoughts in the show plays a huge role. In my personal opinion his internal monologues are some of the best in the whole series of books, together with Jamie’s. I not so sure Kit ruined that scene, not so much for me. He came across as utterly torn rather than weak, which could have been made clearer (together with his motivations) had there been more screentime for him, or scenes that were differently written. Same reason why the sudden onslaught of emotion comes accross as so disjointed. Although, I agree that there were too many “romantic” scenes and not enough interaction with Mance and Tormund. Luckily we have Sam at the Wall, and hopefully the writers used the opportunity to make discussions between the two of them possible, with Jon explaining his motivations to Sam after his recovery.

    I also liked book Stannis more later on as his character developed. You right there so nothing to add on. I like Ciaran’s Mance, but missed the charisma and the lute.

  • jentario:
    Giantsbabe,
    As for Stannis, he Dillane is playing him correctly. It’s just that D&D are making no attempt to whitewash him and his actions.People seem to forget that Stannis only really becomes awesome after book 3. Before that, he was exactly the same manipulated, and cold man the show puts on screen. I think Season 5 will be the time to truly judge TV Stannis, and I don’t think we’ll be disappointed.

    You do know that this is bullshit right? Sure, I agree that Stannis only became truly awesome towards the end of book 3 when he listens to Davos advice and travels north. But they already did plenty to damage his character.

    For starters they made him Melissandre’s bitch. In the books she was one of his topadvisors and when he thought she was making sense he followed her, but it was still clearly his own decision. Show Stannis on the other hand has no agency left, since he only went to the freaking North after she told him to go.

    He’s also way to fanatic on the show only one leech and he was convinced that Gendry had to die? WTF, in the books it were two leeches. And what’s up with the relationship between him and Mel? Sure, they were having sex in the books. But there is no way in hell that Stannis would practically dryhump her on the beach IN FRONT OF HIS FUCKING GUARDS to stop her from leaving like what happened on the show when she left on her quest for Gendry

    They don’t show that Stannis is basically an atheïst. Where the fuck did the Proudwing tale go? Or the tale about the fact that he stopped believing in the Gods the day his parents drowned in front of his eyes. These tales are so important, to the character, they make Stannis Stannis and they just fucking cut that out

    And what the fuck was up at the beginning of the season. Why on earth did they let Stannis throw Davos in jail? In the books it was one of the Florents, send by Mel. Why did they give that specific part to Stannis if they didn’t want to make him look like a villain

    And then there was that speech in the cell. At the beginning of that, Stannis was way to smug about killing Gendry and about Renly’s murder as well. Those things troubled Stannis, but here he just brushes it off After that they did pull through and made a decent scene. Although come to think of it the scene was clumsily put together, but there we have to blame the director and not the writers.

    I’m not even going to start talking about the babies in a jar scene. I don’t know which idiot came up with that idea, but he should be flogged.

    The only really good Stannis scene they had this entire season was Stannis and Shireen. That was a great scene, great character development and consistent with the character (well, if you ignore the fact that he apparently keeps his daughter locked up in a tower on the show, but you know I’m willing to look passed that because I get the budget restrains).

  • Ser Tahu,

    I have read Paul of Dune , it had promise and then went down that crap chute those hacks Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson have created… I have not liked anything of their ‘sequels’ or ‘prequels’, will read no more of them.
    (Well….. I only like DUNE and none of Herbert’s own sequels.)

  • Family, Duty, Hodor: We thought it would be Beric resurrecting Catelyn, which is not directly described in the books but does happen. We thought the title ‘Mhysa’ and Robb’s last words of ‘mother’ as being giveaways for an epic ending. (controversy about the whole resurrection thing to one side).

    Ok, the thing you guys have to come to understand about this scenario is that Catelyn is NOT a badass. Sure she has a few good political maneuvers and some good lines in the first couple of books, but all of that power is derived from her relationship to other characts, be it her father, Ned, or Robb. As a zombie, she wouldn’t even hav that. Not one single nonbook reader is going to see Beric dying to bring back Catelyn and think it was a worthwhile trade.

  • On a different note, was anyone lucky enough to be part of the select few to see GRRM’s screening of the first 3 episodes? There might be some potential in gathering information from each week and put a post up about it. At some point there’s meant to be live in-person and live via-Skype cast and crew showing up.

    In other news I heard that a Braavosi captain has been cast, though you probably already know from one source or another. This could be heralding another great wave of minor castings, like the one in late September.

  • Veltigar,

    Actually book Stannis is significantly more randy than show Stannis, he just keeps it under wraps better. Book Stannis created TWO shadow babies thus made whoopee with Mel twice, whereas show Stannis only did that once. Also they went at it enough that Mel missed him warming her bed in aDwD after he went south without her. Still, show canon has him doing it with her only the once.

    As for him looking weaker and manipulated, the show has less time for sublety. They deal with extremes and will make his development more exaggerated because of that. They might give him his goshawk speech later on. As they did with Jaime I think they will give us one impression and then subvert it, to make his arc more redemptive. They upped the unlikable ante for Jaime in season two with that kinslaying business and then made the casual fans like him in season 3. Making the unsullied like Stannis, to quote show Jojen, “is nothing compared to that.”

  • Surprised not to see more love for Sophie Turner. Most of the others are good; I voted Shireen but any of the scene-stealers were worth it.

  • Giantsbabe:
    I am glad for all the winners in the acting categories, although I also sort of hoped Charles Dance would win. It seems fans on fan sites feel vindicated when giving good actors their own awards when overlooked at big award shows or perceived as flying under the radar.

    The Sansa discussion seem to be riddled with the same voiced frustrations as the on-show characterizations of Stannis and Jon. In Stannis’s storyline, a dark yet seemingly powerful female character like Mel is also overplayed (even though I love Carice’s Mel), sometimes giving the impression that Stannis is a weak and perverted religious fanatic (I still also like Stephen Dillane though). Many agree that Jon’s passivity and introvertedness sometimes comes across as dopey and stupid (which is not always the case, however), but Jon’s need to take action in S4 might help in this regard. Saying this, it was disappointing to read that Oz thought Alisser would be a strong candidate for Lord Commander (which I understand), and completely overlooking Jon as a possible candidate, but it just shows how Jon is currently completely flying under the radar of casual fans, unfortunately.

    The archetypal powerful female strikes more of a chord with audiences (and a lot of critics, it seems), to be sure, while the value of more traditional female types (Cat and Sansa) are underplayed. David and Dan seem to love to give a lot of attention to the more powerful or manipulative ones (like Margery and Olenna), they love fixating on all the “strong” women, but the focus (with the exception of Davos) is also lost on strong and nuanced male characters (Stannis, Mance, Jon). I recently saw The Woman in Black again and it really is such a disgrace to not give someone like Ciaran Hinds material on the level of Lady Olenna’s.

    I have yet to rewatch the third season again, so I might be wrong in some of my assessments, but here’s to hoping to some improvement with especially the last three mentioned, since these three will clash in what I know we all hope to be some epic scenes in season four (hopefully with all three of them together in one scene). :)

    To quote Littlefinger, “Early days, my friend.”

    You’re right on the ‘strong woman’ front and that’s in part why I think Sansa doesn’t get enough love, because she’s a more reactive character. I think though the conflicted male characters have been played very well and would include Jaime, the Hound and Davos in that group. As for Ciaran Hinds, I think we’ll get some very good Mance material this year, and believe people have pre-judged him way too early: he’s meant to be a normal guy but has to carry some kind of authority with him as well.

    As for Oz not seeing Jon as a possible Lord Commander, I’d say that it flew under the radar for me when I read ASoS! To me the idea of his becoming the leader really surprised me, as he seemed so young and untested, though the battle at the Wall changes these impressions quite a bit.

  • Greenjones: s is significantly more randy than show Stannis, he just keeps it under wraps better. Book Stannis created TWO shadow babies thus made whoopee with Mel twice, whereas show Stannis only did that once. Also they went at it enough that Mel missed him warming her bed in aDwD after he went south without her. Still, show canon has him doing it with her o

    Perhaps you should read my post again, because you clearly did not understand what I was saying. The entire fucking point was that book Stannis would never be that open about his sex life with Mel.

    you know what, just for your benefit I’ll repost the relevant part about Stannis and Mel under the sheats:

    And what’s up with the relationship between him and Mel? Sure, they were having sex in the books. But there is no way in hell that Stannis would practically dryhump her on the beach IN FRONT OF HIS FUCKING GUARDS to stop her from leaving like what happened on the show when she left on her quest for Gendry

  • “A sword swallower through and through”? Is she stating that Loras provides fellatio until the recipient finishes? Damn, can the QoT get any hotter?

    “Well it might sound odd, it might sound corny but here’s some sex rhymes for those that are horny. For your booming granny with the booming system said ‘I love ya won’t leave ya so you got to listen.’ See I’m talking about the way that I’m feeling. You’re so lovely lengthy and so appealing. A sassy sophisticated sexy lady. Well I’m 26 and you’re 80.

    Because I saw ya at the check out line. You dropped your coupons and you were looking fine. Sophisticated and so mature, I couldn’t really care if you’re 50 or 74 because I want ya and I need ya. Hey boomin granny, you could be my teacher. And I can be your pet, bet, listen old lady I’m gonna make ya sweat. I know I’m younger and you’re much older you look so nice on my Chevy Nova…

    Boomin’ Granny. Boomin’ fanny.”

  • Ser Tahu,

    I wouldn’t touch Kevin J Anderson’s with a ten foot pole. The SW Jedi Academy trilogy was a weak attempt at recapturing Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy, but Darksaber was awful crap. The thought of him doing Dune vexes me.

  • Rygar,

    Always love a song here, why can’t there be as many on the show? In ASOS not a chapter went by without a song being brought up, it was like a musical half the time. Same with Lord of the Rings; all those Tom Bombadil ditties :)

  • Joshua Atreides:
    Ser Tahu,

    I wouldn’t touch Kevin J Anderson’s with a ten foot pole. The SW Jedi Academy trilogy was a weak attempt at recapturing Timothy Zahn’s Thrawn trilogy, but Darksaber was awful crap. The thought of him doing Dune vexes me.

    A BIG fuck yeah JT. Couldn’t agree more. Hated KJAs SW books.

    Fuckitty bye.

  • GreatJon of Slumber

    That’s true. When I read the books the first time I thought the sun shone out of Jon’s ass partially because of Kit in season one and also because the book character was so easily likable (I especially liked Jon’s early observations about other people). On my second read I realized that he was also still relatively immature and inexperienced about the world. He’s a great character, but only undergoes an exponential rate of growth from aSoS onward. From this angle then if a sudden display of leadership qualities comes as a surprise to viewers then maybe all the better.

  • I’ve read up until Heretics of Dune (if I remember correctly). Can someone tell me until where Herbert wrote before he died, or how many books there were after this (written by him, not others)? Jeez, I suddenly have this ominous feeling…

  • Zeus,

    Agreed. Isaac H Wright delivered probably the best performance from a child actor I’ve seen from tv shows (when he actually have things to do). He’s also brilliant in the British film The Awakening. It’s such a waste, the writing in his part was so sloppy in S3.

  • Holy shite, Maisie Williams will be at GRRM’s GoT marathon in person in a couple of weeks! Lucky New Mexicans… GRRM, GoT on the big screen AND Arya Stark?

  • You know what would be awesome?

    If Game of Thrones did a twitter promo and asked the question:
    “How many eyes does Lord Blood Raven Have”
    For each correct response, a portion of Blood Raven’s picture appears.

    The Dark Knight Rises did something similar to this with the reveal of Bane as the villian.

    An alternative could be
    “Do you know who I am?” “I’m ___ a Prince of Dorne
    And then portions of the Red Viper’s picture are unlocked piece by piece

  • Look at that. GRRM says he’ll be at England and Ireland this August… Just in time for a little cameo on the show? Probably. Maybe. He could play Strong Belwas! Or better yet, he would be a PERFECT fake Arya.

  • Jentario,

    He said it in one of the many extended interviews on YouTube (I don’t remember which). Well, he said Dubrovnik but it’s not likely to be any other part of Westeros. It was supposedly to make up for not being able to be a Red Wedding victim as he’d hoped for. It’s also likely he’d want to appear somewhere in his own episode this season, even if it would be the first time out of 4. It’s more likely than the Crow’s Eye theory right now. Maybe he’ll slip little bits of information out at these screenings.

  • Veltigar,

    The decision about going north hasn’t been made yet in the show, Mel never told Stannis to go … What are you talking about? Rewatch this scene.

    The thing about show Stannis is that he’s much more aware of Mel’s powers. He realizes Renly died via her magicks (while book Stannis doesn’t, necessary) … so there’s your second leech. And besides, his time is not unlimited. In this scene he states that after what he saw and after what Davos (almost) told him he saw, that he can’t really deny her god being real. It would be silly if he did.

    Also, show Stannis did show remorse for killing Renly in S2 finale. The dungeon scene was about Stannis wanting to hear Davos’ thoughts on the matter. He was throwing facts at Davos waiting for his responses. He never brushed off Renly’s death.

  • Jentario:
    Holy shite, Maisie Williams will be at GRRM’sGoT marathon in person in a couple of weeks! Lucky New Mexicans… GRRM, GoT on the big screen AND Arya Stark?

    That might be enough to get me to go. ;) But I get the feeling that getting into that theater will be worse than Black Friday at Walmart.

  • Giantsbabe,

    Agreed. He until now has seemed like a callow youth, really only earning the trust of Lord Commander (dead), Sam, Edd, and Grenn. So that kind of growth would serve well for Season 4.

  • Rygar, If that was a category then surely Nathalie Emmanuel’s Missandei should have been a runner-up as well for those early episodes.

    Veltigar,

    I like Stannis just as much as the next guy…unless of course the next guy is Veltigar!

  • GreatJon of Slumber:
    Giantsbabe,

    Agreed. He until now has seemed like a callow youth, really only earning the trust of Lord Commander (dead), Sam, Edd, and Grenn. So that kind of growth would serve well for Season 4.

    True. Giantsbabe makes salient point about how she and many viewers have regarded Jon onscreen. If not by his early introduction to GoT, then the hope that he supersedes the chaos all about him. Sadly, many only enjoy him as a celebrity heartthrob groomed for groupies.

    The character Jon Snow is but another example of what the author hopes to illustrate for the complexities of human nature and the tough choices that challenge their principles. It’s these transitions that make these characters so interesting, and those layers ( and events ) keep readers ( and viewers ) firmly holding on for the next installment. It should be mandated that in order to grasp the full nature of these characters, one must recognize their strengths and weaknesses . No one role is one dimensional. I can’t wait for onscreen transitions for Arya, Cersei, Jon & Jaime , to name a few.

  • sunspear: Ok, the thing you guys have to come to understand about this scenario is that Catelyn is NOT a badass. Sure she has a few good political maneuvers and some good lines in the first couple of books, but all of that power is derived from her relationship to other characts, be it her father, Ned, or Robb. As a zombie, she wouldn’t even hav that. Not one single nonbook reader is going to see Beric dying to bring back Catelyn and think it was a worthwhile trade.

    I see it quite differently. Beric is a zombie, to use your terminology…no better than CH….he is a wight with a conscience. He just happened to be saved from death by Thoros soon after dying. Cat’s last few moments “alive” were pure torment, pure insanity…in a sense, we experienced her madness firsthand and that warped energy lingered and floated in the river for at least 3 days before they attempted (for whatever reason…maybe in deference/respect to Arya, maybe because Beric was tired of existing) to bring her back. Hence her anger, madness and focus has been magnified. The GoT show has a lot of opportunity here to pursue her revenge exploits and ulterior motives that was only passively described in the books…in fact not having a post-mortem Cat/LS PoV was sadly missed in AFfC, imho. Maybe in TWoW we’ll come into some more insight about LS’s warped darkness and intentions, maybe there is a Bran connection, maybe she will get one last moment with Sansa or Arya, maybe there is another Thoros-induced resurrection that LS is used for….the point is that GRRM has significantly indicated that her story is not yet complete.

    Done right, LS’s revenge on GoT will be quite a surreal and formidable event, maybe even jarring to the viewer in its pathos and emotional undertones. I am hoping the writing is superb for LS as her story unfolds.

    Plus, LS is simply another chaotic supernatural force in Westeros, which seems to be nurturing more and more supernatural events as winter approaches and the dragons mature. WWs are coming, the weirnet is buzzing, candles are burning, maesters and red priests powers are booming, snow is falling in KL….hell is arising as the human war is expanding. True chaos looms.

  • Abyss:
    Off Topic:
    News report from the Game of Thrones screenings at the Jean Cocteau Cinema.

    Very lucky fans ! Although this come as no big surprise since the acquisition announcement some time ago, with mention of soon to be showings, it was definitely a big plus to non residents for a remote look inside. The mention , from this link, of Skype greetings from few of the cast is mod def a winner. The place looks small and less ” dinner theatre” than I’d imagined, yet cozy and sufficient. The screen is decidedly larger than mine at home ( :

  • sunspear,

    GRRM has mentioned that Catelyn Stark is the strongest female lead from his books, thus far. I’m not on board for how the screen production has portrayed her character ( among others ), but to omit Lady Stoneheart would create more gaps that need to be filled in with superfluous scenes. I was less interested in ser Beric, than she.

  • Hodor’s Bastard,

    WildSeed,

    I’m not saying that they can’t have Lady Stoneheart in the show, I’m just saying that unless they introduce EXACTLY how GRRM introduced her, by hanging Freys and running the brotherhood without banners, no one is going to care. Martin Omitted showing her resurrection and cutting straight to the action for a reason.

  • Rygar,

    Or Beatlejuice. I guess the odds are that LS could have laughable overtones, but maybe there is another zombie option not yet fully exasperated onscreen….fingers crossed!…at least LS isn’t jumping from Frey to Frey giving them hickies!

  • So I’m watching a few season 3 episodes on HBO GO and the little pop ups with analysis and interviews sometimes showcase GURM and it got me to thinking…is it me or does GURM look like he has terrible breath? The way he smacks his lips when he talks makes me think that shit is festering in there. Or at least garlic. He looks garlic prone.

  • Still no Val casting. Maybe Stannis gets creative and promises Jon to Yara/Asha? The heir of winterfell and the heir of Pyke? *grasps at straws*

  • sunspear,

    I understand your intent better now , and I agree with your latter point as well. To omit those scenes, whether implied or not, would be unsatisfying. In search of broadening another character’s story, the production has had the liberty of adding fillers. If they do this, it had better make sense down the road.

  • Turncloak,

    I hear you. The wait had better be a big payoff. Cogman is playing a game of chess, taking his time for full effect and to yell checkmate at a momentous occasion ( or so I hope ).

  • Khal-A-Bunga:
    Also, just a few ideas for possible additions to the categories next season:

    Best Scene Not From the Books
    Best One-Season Actor/Actress
    Best New Actor
    Best Story Line
    Best Use of Practical Effects
    Best Stunt

    I’ll second that! Would love to see a ‘Best Scene not from the books’ and also a ‘Best Scene from the books’ category for book readers! :)

  • sunspear,

    Ok, the thing you guys have to come to understand about this scenario is that Catelyn is NOT a badass. Sure she has a few good political maneuvers and some good lines in the first couple of books, but all of that power is derived from her relationship to other characts, be it her father, Ned, or Robb. As a zombie, she wouldn’t even hav that. Not one single nonbook reader is going to see Beric dying to bring back Catelyn and think it was a worthwhile trade.

    Not necessarily, she was tied with Arya for a lot of women’s favorite character. I’ve never liked her in book or show, so i can’t relate, but there are a lot of folks that will be glad to see her back. Plus, Beric’s out of the picture. There’s no place for him anymore.

  • D’oh Jimbo. Spoiler in your first reply that missed your tag.

    Well now I’m glad the cat’s out of the bag.

  • Rygar,

    Do you even like the show? Or the books for that matter? It seems like you just use this site to talk about penises and showcase other HBO shows.

  • taena: I’ll second that! Would love to see a ‘Best Scene not from the books’ and also a ‘Best Scene from the books’ category for book readers! :)

    These awards are great but I agree that there could be updates that would distinguish the show from the books, like the following:

    1) Best original scene (not from the books)….already mentioned
    2) Best original or amalgamated character
    3) Best visual interpretation of a non-PoV event
    4) Most compelling storyline….already mentioned
    5) Best use of gratuitous sex to supplement the storyline
    6) Best directed episode
    7) Best written episode
    8) Best stunt ….already mentioned
    9) Best FX integration….currently best CGI
    10) Best “Hodor”

    By the way, cheers to Gwendoline Christie for her response to her award!

  • Joshua Atreides,

    Rygar,
    Well to be fair, Star Wars was never that good to begin with.

    Giantsbabe,
    He wrote up to Chapterhouse. His son then finished the series with Hunters and Sandworms. He also wrote some interquels between the first three books (Paul and Winds of Dune), as well as a bunch of other spinoffs that I can’t be bothered reading. I’ve only rad the first two books (and the first few hundred pages of Paul of Dune) myself.

    Oh, and ‘best Hodor’ NEEDS to be a category next year :P

  • Joshua Atreides:
    Rygar,

    Do you even like the show? Or the books for that matter?It seems like you just use this site to talk about penises and showcase other HBO shows.

    Really? You ask me that? After all we’ve been through?

    Well since you asked:

    I love the books. Been reading them since 2000. But I don’t obsess over them. Went to Westeros to discover a bit more about L&R = blah blah and found myself wanting to punch Linda in the nuts. Haven’t been back and honestly lost interest in all the speculation and theories. I have read each book 3-4 times now and still enjoy them. As for the show, I loved season one, liked season two less, and liked season three even more less than two. I attribute that to my feeling that the quality of writing and directing got significantly worse. I have only watched S1 and 2 twice and am working on my second go round of 3 in preparation of of S4.

    And in all seriousness, watching GURM talk about “the laws of hospitality and guest right” during my S3 rewatch made me think about what his breath must smell like. Chalk that one up to my A.D.D., or alcohol, or my inner muse. As for penis? I happen to think that I have perfected the art of cock jokes because they rise up and flow out of me like….damn, there’s a joke there somewhere.

    Do me a favor and please don’t ask me to confess anymore as to why I say certain things or motives for posting. Contribute to them or ignore them.

    Ugh now I feel like I need to bathe.

  • Most of those I voted for ended up winning so I’m happy, but some categories were pretty close indeed!

  • Rygar,

    Fair is fair I suppose. The term GURM just pisses me off is all. None of us would be here without GRRM and I hate this subculture of ASOIAF fandom that shits on him. Don’t get me wrong, in sure he can fight his own battles. I appreciate any critical viewpoint regarding GoT so long as it invites friendly debate but I just see a scatter of comments from many people (I’m not singling anyone out this time) that attack the man for myriad reasons so that it becomes apparent to me that not only do they dislike the series, they also dislike the books as well. I confess I’m a youngling when it comes to Internet forums. This is the only site that I participate in. So when mean spirited comments appear I take it maybe a little too personally every now and then. Welcome to the Internet I guess.

    From one SW fan to another “May the Force be with you.”
    As you can see this apology was heartfelt. It’s all on the table here.

  • Ser Tahu

    Yes, now I remember Chapterhouse, thanks. I still want to finish it and then give the prequels and the others a go.

    GreatJon of Slumber

    Dany’s story, after all, started with a bang in season three after season two. But I never really even minded her storyline in season two, and after rethinking the handling of the HotU, it was actually handled well. The snowed-over desolate throne room was perfect, because Winter is Coming after all. Showing all the other symbolism would have confused the hell out of the viewers. People may not even realise what this actually is saying of future events in the books.

    Wildseed

    It’s extremely difficult to be an intelligent female viewer and then liking actors who are good-looking, because you are confronted with all the dirge in popular culture surrounding the young and famous in Hollywood. I view Kit as the thinking woman’s pin-up, and only time will show his skills. It seems he has also now changed agents, having mentioned now working with Eddie Redmayne’s trans-atlantic agents. He said in UK Esquire he liked where Redmayne’s career was going.

  • Arthur,

    I was going to go with Liam, but Michael McElhatton was just so wonderful as Roose Bolton. The way his character progressed in his villainy was just sublime.

  • Rygar,

    I too pronounce acronyms as they’re spelt. GRRM was always “grum”, LOL was always “lol” and ROFL will always be waffle with an R’. It’s a sickens.

  • A

    sunspear:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    WildSeed,

    I’m not saying that they can’t have Lady Stoneheart in the show, I’m just saying that unless they introduce EXdaACTLY how GRRM introduced her, by hanging Freys and running the brotherhood without banners, no one is going to care. Martin Omitted showing her resurrection and cutting straight to the action for a reason.

    I’m inclined to agree. End of Season 5

  • Giantsbabe,

    Giantsbabe: (I especially liked Jon’s early observations about other people)

    I believe this is one of Jon’s natural strengths, ability to perceive individuals and the environment he finds himself in. Lacking some life experiences creates for some social
    clumsiness, yet he holds a talent ( other than some mystical connection that the author holds secret ) that lord Mormont recognizes. I believe such traits adds to his maturity, that some men his senior, lack, due to their overaggressiveness. Jon’s character on GoT isn’t the only one that has had little demonstration of what makes that character stand out…..whether this due to the script or inability of the actor to rise above any script. I found it interesting too, that Kit Harrelson (? sp) mentioned that he’s read a couple of the books, I believe. It’s frustrating when knowing the material that the production is based on, and discover some disappointments of a adaptation that hasn’t worked…. thus far. On the other hand, as I’ve expressed in many threads, GoT’s 4th season begins an interesting plot development for Jon and several other characters. What senior writer Cogman and others are developing overall as a goal, may pay off big time. Season 1 thru 3 are bygones , it’s onward to S4 and beyond ! That’s my mindset.

    Giantsbabe: Wildseed

    It’s extremely difficult to be an intelligent female viewer and then liking actors who are good-looking, because you are confronted with all the dirge in popular culture surrounding the young and famous in Hollywood. I view Kit as the thinking woman’s pin-up, and only time will show his skills. It seems he has also now changed agents, having mentioned now working with Eddie Redmayne’s trans-atlantic agents. He said in UK Esquire he liked where Redmayne’s career was going.

    For whatever reason he’s changed agents, I hope him the best. I’m not certain if it was a calculated move to push his professional image as a ” hottie “, but he’s earned that title as a nickname, for now …. and there’s not ” thinking ” going on by those the focus on him in that light. For some, it was the reason why they watched the show, and hoping that he was the good guy that wins good fortune. It’s kinda sad when the innocent have no inkling of the type stories George Martin writes. As for Kit, he’s had other acting roles on stage and screen. He’s on the road to accomplishment, if he commits , with or without GoT.

  • Jentario,

    Well now I understand better what the GURM means. I thought is was new acronym that had been circling about. Oddly though, I don’t pronounce Martin’s initials that way. It’s all rather amusing and not worth much more than a brief pause or a smile.

  • Hodor’s Bastard: These awards are great but I agree that there could be updates that would distinguish the show from the books, like the following:

    5) Best use of gratuitous sex to supplement the storyline

    That’s an oxymoron. If something is used to enhance the storyline, then it’s not gratuitous.

    The incorrect use of “gratuitous” is becoming one of my pet peeves, along the incorrect use of “literally”. Yesterday I heard a TV tennis commentator say that Nadal “literally” tore apart Monfils, but I’m pretty sure that there Monfils is still in one piece, and Nadal didn’t hit him with a tennis racket and cause his arms, legs and head to fall from his body.

  • Annara Snow: That’s an oxymoron. If something is used to enhance the storyline, then it’s not gratuitous.

    “Enhance” and “supplement” are not the same thing. At best, I am probably guilty of being redundant since I really meant “filler”. In retrospect, I should have written it simply as “Best use of gratuitous sex”. Although that was a serious joke, if you have read some of my other heavily lighthearted posts, I tend to use oxymorons as part of my irregular pattern of responding in kind, although many fall like a lead balloon. In any case, in my sweet sorrow as a mournful optimist, I will adhere to your cold fire and always use mad wisdom and recheck what I post in the deafening silence of this robustly empty web space.