Stephen Dillane likes the power struggles in Thrones (the nudity, not so much)
By Winter Is Coming on in Press.

Stannis

Don’t know if we’ve heard from Stephen Dillane much, if at all, so this brief interview he has with Huffington Post is noteworthy on that score alone. But he also shares some interesting opinions on the show. Such as where he falls in the hotly debated topic of nudity:

“I’m a bit old for it,” says the British BAFTA winner, who plays Stannis Baratheon, just one of the warriors determined to seize power in the medieval blockbuster, where no one is safe as seven rulers fight for command of the mythical Westeros – when they’re not drinking, wenching, belching and watching clothes fall off with abandon.

“It doesn’t particularly appeal to me, reminds me of German porn from the 1970s. But I presume it serves a purpose, and the merits of the show far outweigh my concerns on that score.”

What does appeal to the 57-year-old actor? The show’s constant power struggles.

“I think it’s an accurate and truthful reflection of how power operates, in different societies, and the relatively small part love and affection play in things. It’s a dark view of the human condition that is quite refreshing to see on screen.”

Winter Is Coming: I like to think this is just Dillane being wholly dedicated to his character. These quotes strike me as very Stannis-like.


254 Comments

  1. GeekFurious
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    If this show didn’t have sex and nudity, I wouldn’t watch it. Simple as that.

    I’m just kidding. Of course I’d watch it.

  2. Turncloak
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    STANNIS!

  3. Turncloak
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:06 pm | Permalink

    Stannis is actually Stephane Dillane. Sorry for the spoiler :(

  4. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    reminds me of German porn from the 1970s.

    made me laugh out loud so hard.

  5. Jordan
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Alternative headline” “Stephen Dillane has watched German porn from the 1970s”

    :)

  6. Ash
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Anyone watch him in the tunnel? Awesome

  7. Jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Stannis is Stannis, but Stannis will always be Stannis, so Stannis.

  8. 1realm1god1king
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:13 pm | Permalink

    Seriously. From everything I’ve ever heard the guy say, and from Liam Cunningham’s DVD commentary, Stephen Dillane IS Stannis.

    Couldn’t be happier with the casting choice here.

  9. Grynthaline
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    LOL how does he know what 1970′s German porn is like? No, wait, I don’t want to know…

  10. GG
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Stephen Dillane is 57 years old!?! Hot damn!!! Black is not the only thing that does not crack. Stannis’ iron will is so strong, his face rejects time.

  11. Adam Whitehead
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    So Dillane is a connoisseur of 1970s German porn?

    I think he’ll regret saying that when it keeps coming up in future interviews. So to speak.

  12. Seven Hells Bells
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    Awkward moment when he’s about 30 years older than the man he plays…

  13. Jordan
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Adam Whitehead,

    Would explain the interest in Melisandre (yes, I know Carice Van Houten is Dutch, not German).

  14. Bittersteel_914
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure who is cast better — Stephen Dillane or Liam Cunningham? Both are expertly cast in my opinion! And speaking of opinions, “The Greatest Game Ever Played,” one of the better golf movies out there, is carried by Mr. Dillane’s ‘Harry Vardon.’

  15. JamesL
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:20 pm | Permalink

    Oh great we get to have this discussion on here for the 500th time. Mark me down as one of the pervs who doesn’t mind it at all(expect for Littlefingers brothel scene in season 1, that was too long and explicit). The show has already toned the sex down a lot since season 1, season 3 only had about 2 sex scenes.

  16. Omar Brown
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    That is an INCREDIBLY specific example of porn Stephen….you are foolin’ no one!

  17. Leto II
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Another new interview with Stephen Dillane (Den of Geek)

    Have you ever checked out the fan reaction to your character online? A lot of them call you ‘Stannis the Mannis’…

    (Laughs) No, I haven’t…

    Oh don’t worry, Stannis has a lot of fans.

    That’s a relief actually, I must say because I do know how much people are invested in it. Especially people who’ve read the books. And you do feel a sense of obligation to those people to live up to their hopes. So even if I’m doing it by accident I’m very glad!

    http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/stephen-dillane/28822/stephen-dillane-on-the-tunnel-and-game-of-thrones#ixzz2qaAwk6yL

    (Warning: some spoiler about Stannis for non-book reader)

  18. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Sometimes I wonder if GoT had the same budget but was hosted on AMC or FX, which have less nudity “mandates” for obvious reasons, would the show have a vastly different appeal? Admittedly, GRRM’s books have substantial sex and sexual violence, but if that aspect of the tale was handled in a more passive/implied context, would the show have a mass appeal? I don’t really want to get into a “sex vs violence” debate but sometimes you wonder how another channel would handle material like this.

    Does less gratuitous sex enable a more focused plotline? Or is more onscreen sex actually part of the “variety is the spice of life” viewing experience?

  19. cubicz
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:26 pm | Permalink

    German porn has become synonymous with scat. Is that what he’s referring to? Or there something about the 70s I missed?

  20. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    And that’s why he’s perfect for Stannis!

  21. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Ash:
    Anyone watch him in the tunnel? Awesome

    Who knew Stannis was so fertile :-D

  22. Alex
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Especially funny in light of him being in the original West End production of Angels in America, where he was the one getting completely naked. Of course, Prior’s nude scene in Angels is to illustrate what the HIV is doing to his body, whereas a fair bit of the nudity in GoT is simply fanservice for the male HBO audience.

  23. Butterbumos
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    I didn’t know his son played Young Voldemort in Harry Potter until I noticed the same last name and checked on Wiki. Love him as Stannis!

  24. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    It’s good to know Stephen has Stannis’ attitude toward porn anyway. They keep bringing up how he only performs with Selyse out of duty, much like his marriage to her in the first place, never about love, 100% for the support of the Florents. It’s thanks to his part (mainly in ADWD) in the struggle to restore the North that I’ve begun to admire him more. Long may he rule!

    But well, if the aftermath of the trailer is about independent interviews, rumours and speculation, bring on #2, HBO! And Laughs, maybe in a few weeks we’ll be getting them again as everyone’s making new parody music videos, cartoons etc.

  25. Hounded
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    He’s 57!?!? Looks bloody good for 57.

  26. Davy
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    Haha Stephen Dillane is 57?

    I thought he was like mid 30′s. Haha

  27. Turri
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    cubicz,
    It was very arty, done by a lot of serious directors who became famous later. And it had theatrical plot, social criticism and so on. The better known examples are the soft porn “sex education” movies targeting young people, like “Schulmädchenreport”.

  28. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:47 pm | Permalink

    German porn has become synonymous with scat.

    And as a German I have still no idea why. Yes, there were some (popular?) fetish productions for that. Just like for any other fetish imaginable. I mean it’s porn you get me?

    Is that what he’s referring to? Or there something about the 70s I missed?

    The 70s are mostly known for a great amount of soft-core porn productions over here. Mostly with a rather “comedic plot line”. (Such classics like: “Liebesgrüße aus der Lederhose”)

    ETA: Well, and the “sexual-education” stuff Turri mentioned of course.

    Like I said in the Finn Jones thread, this is rather insulting to German 70s porn. Never mind the obvious “But what about the pubic hair?” joke here.

  29. loco73
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    First of all, I definitely got to get my hands on some 1970′s, and while I’m at it also the 1980′s and 1990′s German porn!!!! Oh and now you know what’s gonna happen…D&D will give Stannis somekind of orgy scene one extremely uncomfortable and explicit! LOL

  30. loco73
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    I lived in Germany, and remember watching the “1970′s German porn” Mr. Dillane refers to…and I got to second the other posters here, it was mostly soft-core productions , oftentimes a type of sex rom-com. Usually broadcast on Friday and Saturday late nights on SAT1 and RTL…ahh the good old days !

    Anywho, Stephen Dillane is a fantastic actor (good in “The Tunnel” alongside Clemence Poesy) and I would once again recommend one of his movies, a little gem called “Fugitive Pieces” from director Jeremy Podeswa (who has yet to be assigned to direct an episode of GoT).

    At this point I cannot see anyone else play Stannis…

  31. Duval
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:14 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Well it must be the Germanic origins then.

  32. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Surprised Rygar hasn’t commented in this.

  33. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    He will come in time, and with something hilarious to say.
    Also, there is no right answer on the new poll (not for me, any way).

  34. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:27 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Actually, it’s probably beneath him…no obnoxious challenge to it!

  35. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    @ loco73

    Is 73 your birth year like 76 is mine? Were we bad (young) teens watching soft-core late night? TMI: Of course when Dad catched me and sis he was all: “WTF? That shit is too dumb for me, I always fall asleep.” “But Daaad, it’s hillarious!” *Dad shakes his head sadly, wanders of to bed*

  36. David
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    i wonder who else think the same thing about the nudity thing.

  37. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    David,

    The issue has already been beaten into the ground. Sex sells. So does violence. I think there is a fairly significant portion of the audience who is drawn to the show because of those two aspects. If pandering to those people brings the show more money and viewers to keep it on the air then great. I’ve never had an issue with either. So I really don’t care who else isn’t into it.

  38. Patchy Face
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

    As an older, female type GoT fan – I love love love me some Stephen Dillane! Really looking forward to this season’s arc.

  39. Veltigar
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m going to throw in my vote with the crowd that says “HOW THE FUCK IS HE 57?” I would have pegged him down as a 40 something.

  40. mariamb
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Hounded:
    He’s 57!?!? Looks bloody good for 57.

    Yes…yes, he does.

    1realm1god1king:
    Seriously. From everything I’ve ever heard the guy say, and from Liam Cunningham’s DVD commentary, Stephen Dillane IS Stannis.

    Couldn’t be happier with the casting choice here.

    Agree. I loved him as Thomas Jefferson in “John Adams” and I love him as Stannis.

  41. Satin
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    ….

    Anything I might want to say is completely erased by the thought of Dillane watching Schulmädchenreport. Let’s just say, if that’s the comparison he meant it’s not exactly a compliment.

    Oh, there’s one thing: 57? Not bad, not bad at all.

  42. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    That is hilarious. Perfect casting. And tho I don’t think Stannis would eagerly buy into “state’s rights”, Dillane killed it as Thomas Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries. Sold.

  43. Satin
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: So I really don’t care who else isn’t into it.

    Yeah, I mean, it’s HBO. The actors knew that when they signed up, and as a viewer, if you don’t care or aren’t into this stuff, it’s usually eyerolling and moving on. *shrugs*

    (And the show did get better on that front, kind of. They’ve really reduced the pointless prostitute plots, to the endless relief of Aiden Gillen, I suspect.)

  44. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I don’t even know what the hell did he meant for “1970s porn”, but the prospect of Stannis watching german porn unimpressed while grinding his teeth is hilarious.

  45. Skipjack
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    I think that’s hilarious, and frankly I think the show could do with making people more overtly uncomfortable with the nudity. That wouldn’t necessarily remind me of Germany in the 70s (would that I might have been there), but it would certainly remind people of the double-edged nature of arousal. The show goes too easy on the audience most of the time.

    Also while not just pubes but all kinds of body hair would be normal in medieval times, I could just see the casting now. “Congratulations, you’re getting your big break on TV playing a prostitute on HBO.” “Oh no problem, I can sign this nudity clause.” “Sorry, that’s not for your breasts, it’s for your armpits. Hairy armpits.” “Oh no! What if someone I know sees me?”

  46. Treasonbeard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    I did think the scene where Melisandre poops all over Gendry’s chest was a bit uncalled for.

  47. JamesL
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Sometimes I wonder if GoT had the same budget but was hosted on AMC or FX, which have less nudity “mandates” for obvious reasons, would the show have a vastly different appeal? Admittedly, GRRM’s books have substantial sex and sexual violence, but if that aspect of the tale was handled in a more passive/implied context, would the show have a mass appeal? I don’t really want to get into a “sex vs violence” debate but sometimes you wonder how another channel would handle material like this.

    Does less gratuitous sex enable a more focused plotline? Or is more onscreen sex actually part of the “variety is the spice of life” viewing experience?

    The show does have mass appeal though, it is one of the biggest shows in the world. The sex in the show doesn’t hold it back from being more popular, not being available in 90+million homes and streaming on Netflix is what prevents it from being as huge as something like the Walking Dead in America. It’s hard to imagine just how huge this show would be if HBO was available in 90m homes and the show was streaming on Netflix. “would less gratuitous sex make for a more focused plot line” As I pointed out in my previous comment there is actually not many sex scenes in GoT, season 3 only had about 2 or 3. A lot of regular TV dramas have more sex scenes than GoT, they just don’t show as much skin.

  48. Taena
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    He’s so like Stannis lol. Amazing casting :)

  49. cosca
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack:
    I think that’s hilarious, and frankly I think the show could do with making people more overtly uncomfortable with the nudity.That wouldn’t necessarily remind me of Germany in the 70s (would that I might have been there), but it would certainly remind people of the double-edged nature of arousal. The show goes too easy on the audience most of the time.

    I think they’ve already made people overtly uncomfortable using nudity, what with the Penis Leech and Theon’s castration scene last season.
    I assume you’re referring to the Jaime-Cersei period tomb sex? Because that would work. I just don’t think they’ll go that far

  50. KG
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    – “But I presume it serves a purpose”, –

    And that right there is the single most Stannis-like quote we’ll hear this year.

  51. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    I assume you’re referring to the Jaime-Cersei period tomb sex? Because that would work. I just don’t think they’ll go that far

    Yeah, I suppose they will skip the period part. :P

  52. JP Dayne
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    10/10 would bend the knee

  53. cosca
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:40 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut the next to Joffrey’s dead body part either. They’ll probably think it’s fucked up enough being incest, and I’m not sure if I’d disagree with that assessment

  54. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:46 pm | Permalink
  55. House Mormont
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Ash,

    I saw the first 5 episodes but I missed the rest, it was great watching him play someone so different to Stannis, I should probably watch the rest.

    was that Benjen Stark’s actor in it too?

  56. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    He SOOOOOOOOO needs to do a commentary track!!! Come on Stephen Dill…STANNIS! please?

    STANNIS!

  57. RawJah
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Bittersteel_914:
    I’m not sure who is cast better — Stephen Dillane or Liam Cunningham?Both are expertly cast in my opinion!And speaking of opinions, “The Greatest Game Ever Played,” one of the better golf movies out there, is carried by Mr. Dillane’s ‘Harry Vardon.’

    I misread your post “speaking of onions” :D

  58. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    I wouldn’t be surprised if they cut the next to Joffrey’s dead body part either. They’ll probably think it’s fucked up enough being incest, and I’m not sure if I’d disagree with that assessment

    Nope, I’m sorry everything else stays, I say. Found it very telling that the suspicious snippet in the trailer was very carefully cropped. I even think they blurred out Joff’s crown (probably sitting atop his corpse?) on the bottom left.

  59. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    I really want to see funeral twincest but period funeral twincest is too much. You have to draw the line somewhere ,don’t you? lol

  60. Giantsbabe
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    I honestly thought Stephen Dillane was somewhere in his forties :)

  61. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    Great spot! There may yet be something more to say of this trailer, even if another would be better.

    And I was looking forward to finding out what happens when a page hits 1000 comments :(, which is now the WiC version of “Where do whores go?”

  62. Lord Davos
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    loco73,

    Wasnt there a casting call for some “explicit” scenes including Liam?
    Imagine Stannis and Davos…
    Would be funniest episode ever.

  63. Lord Davos
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Butterbumos,

    Which movie was it?
    The second one was my favorite because of that Voldemort kid,
    that kid was worse than Ramsay.

  64. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Lord Davos: Imagine Stannis and Davos…
    Would be funniest episode ever.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVBGBeAOmHU

    Skip to about 0:55, and you’ll know how it might play out.

  65. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Let’s bomb that page till it passes 1000. The trailer just reached 12 mil BTW.

  66. matt
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Dillane is always so cynical and cold… It’s refreshing.

  67. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    I really want to see funeral twincest but period funeral twincest is too much. You have to draw the line somewhere ,don’t you? lol

    LOL indeed. Seriously I think the period part is a minor detail the show wouldn’t care for but I could be wrong. It’s in the books either because GRRM is a gigantic troll and Eewww! and/or to make it clear that it’s rather unlikely that Cersei conceives here again, what with all the talk about more sons afterwards.

  68. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    It’s not worth adding another 160 posts just for that, especially when the only thing I can think of adding is how the cliff during the Champion of Meereen clip appears to have a long red gash in it.

  69. Patchy Face
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Lord Davos,

    Yeah – Google Frank Dillane – you will see the kid Voldemort there

  70. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Hopefully, they’ll use Joffrey’s body as a sexual prop, too. I mean, he’s right there. Why not? Take it a step farther than the books.

  71. Arthur
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    I think GoT has been scrutinized for its nudity a bit to much. Compared to lots of other premium cable series it’s really not that bad.

    I think it’s more noticeable because watching GoT is more like a family event (yes I know it’s not a show for kiddies). I mean its a family event in the sense that family and friends gather together to watch it on Sunday nights…

    So you feel a little awkward and more uneasy watching sex stuff than you normally would when your aunt is sitting right next to you sharing elbow space…

    So for reasons like that I think the sex stuff is much more noticeable… At least from my experience.

  72. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    jentario,

    long red gash

    Are we talking about Cersei’s period again? I thought we agreed to move on…

  73. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Yeah, they’ve only got him for 3 episodes, why not?

  74. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    The guy that plays Moriarty in the SHerlock series why hsnt he appeared yet in GOT….

    Aegon? :P

  75. Laurentius
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Unrelated, but when can we reasonably expect revelations about episode titles? Does anyone have rough (or exact) dates for previous years? Or has there perhaps been a massive official speculation thread on this already that I missed?

  76. Bean
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    ah, he actually has taste. Apparently some people can tell the difference between bad porno and actual exciting sex scenes.

  77. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:37 pm | Permalink
  78. Carne
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Laurentius,

    Most of the season 3 titles were revealed late February, so hopefully the same this year.

    Edit:
    Damn you, jentario!

  79. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Ha! I win :P

  80. Matt
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Seven Hells Bells:
    Awkward moment when he’s about 30 years older than the man he plays…

    Your math could use some work… The war was seventeen years ago, and stand was 18 (I guess, hard to say if the past was also time shifted) when the rebellion broke out, and lasted a year. That would make him at best thirty six years old, potentially older.

  81. jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Matt,

    Who cares, he looks about right. And he looks REALLY good for someone heading into their 60s.

  82. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    The amount of sexual content and/or nudity on this show has always been massively overblown. The argument can certainly be made that the show doesn’t treat nudity equally, as it concerns the female body and the male body, but the point still stands: Out of thirty episodes, there’s been a total of 24 minutes and 43 seconds (approximately) of sexual content and/or nudity. The Huffington Post even went to the ‘trouble’ of compiling all of these scenes…

    NSFW

    Seasons 1 & 2: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/17/game-of-thrones-sex-scene_n_1601883.html

    Season 3: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/10/game-of-thrones-sex-scenes-nudity_n_3417008.html

    The first and second seasons of Boardwalk Empire contained quite a bit more nudity and sexual content than Game of Thrones, and the male-female ratio was every bit as uneven. And yet, no outcry over the use of these elements in that show…

    This could be due to a number of things: This show is a ‘fantasy’ series, and there’s a certain expectation that goes along with that as it pertains to adult content that isn’t centered on violence. I’d also wager that – as another poster pointed out – because GoT is more of a zeitgeist type of television event, it garners more scrutiny.

    If we’re to assume that each season of the show runs about eight hours, that means sexual content of any kind has constituted a very small percentage of screen time relative to all of the words dedicated to decrying its use. Seems a bit silly to me, but prudes gonna’ prude.

    Watching those videos, it also strikes me that the majority of these scenes did, in fact, play a role outside of titillation. A few of the scenes (particularly Littlefinger in his brothel in the seventh episode of the first season) could have been handled better, but that still doesn’t jive with the (manufactured, to my eye) controversy that has arisen as a result.

    It should also be noted that the discrepancy between females appearing nude to men appearing nude probably has more to do with the fact that the male actors may have included a no-nudity clause in their contracts.

    In any case, much ado about nothing.

  83. Tereeza 777
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    all this talk about German porn from the 70s – makes me think about my favorite German actors from the 2000s ……………
    Florian David Fitz – a possible Rhaegar?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv9tQvvL7gg

    Michael (half-German) – makes me wish we had subways in Florida :)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orxrkiPhCQM

    and of course Jaqen/Tom –
    http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYgcn9V60dk

  84. Patchy Face
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Laurentius,

    So I think we will get ep titles the first or second week of March as everything is running a bit later this year. Hope sooner though!

  85. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    This will not happen because Jaime already arrived in KL in the season 3 finale. The sex happens because it was the first time they had seen each other since his return. I would place money on them not having sex b Joff’s corpse.

  86. Don't care
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Lol wasn’t Sibel Kekili (sp?) a former German pornstar.

  87. axia777
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    “reminds me of German porn from the 1970s.”

    Man, you have never really watched German porn if you think that GoT is like it. Not all. LOL In fact, it is not even in the same UNIVERSE.

  88. zambi76
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Not really, Don’t care. I mean what’s your definition of “porn star”? She did around six sex-flicks in between jobs (bookkeeper and animator jobs that is) for the money. She went into acting later and nobody gave a fuck until some tabloid digged the sex-flicks up.

  89. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    This is excellent. Thx. Believe it or not, there are some agitators in my local community and some online communities who are fiercely decrying this very thing about GoT, with some idiots calling it outright porn. These stats are very helpful. I doubt they’ll dissuade the lunatics but it is good to have some data in hand.

    JamesL,
    Thx as well. I never meant to imply GoT doesn’t have mass appeal, but I was simply wondering how much more/less appealing it would be without the gratuitous stuff. I rather enjoy how the show adapts the more “unfilmable” aspects of GRRM’s deviant moments….and sometimes even blurring the lines between tasteful and tasteless.

    I do enjoy the great hyperbole that this thread has sparked. Oh, how far will they go with that endearing Inn at the Crossroads scene. And when will Cersei get her Taena so we can enjoy ebony and ivory gal-v-gal sex (?), which is always appealing… :)

  90. Patchy Face
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Unrelated but WHERE IS THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK???!!! April 6th is approaching quickly

  91. Jentario
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    You are a fan of the Myrish swamp? I bet you’re dying to see the fat pink mast, then.

  92. Alex
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:47 pm | Permalink

    Not a good interview since it’s not clear if he chopped off interviewer’s fingers, which hand and how many fingers.

  93. axia777
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face:
    Unrelated but WHERE IS THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK???!!!April 6th is approaching quickly

    NO JOKE! Please add the old school count down clock. It makes the waiting all the more sweet!

  94. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Well, yeah…why not? At least we didn’t get Sansa’s perspective of Tyrion’s “ugly, thick and veined manhood, with a bulbous purple head” on her wedding night. That might have caused Fox News to implode.

  95. Udi
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Should he watch less 70s porn reruns???
    No…
    Fewer… he should watch fewer 70s porn reruns
    :)

  96. Stormy Care
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    Thank the gods he didn’t say it reminded him of German porn from the 1980s. Now that’s some sick shit.

  97. Bill
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Treasonbeard:
    I did think the scene where Melisandre poops all over Gendry’s chest was a bit uncalled for.

    Lol

  98. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Skipjack:
    Also while not just pubes but all kinds of body hair would be normal in medieval times, I could just see the casting now.“Congratulations, you’re gettingyour big break on TV playing a prostitute on HBO.”“Oh no problem, I can sign this nudity clause.” “Sorry, that’s not for your breasts, it’s for your armpits. Hairy armpits.” “Oh no! What if someone I know sees me?”

    Take a look at the trailer again. When the Mountain is raising his sword to slay someone (at 1:25), his armpits are shaved! Along with the Brazilian pube cuts that were quite popular by the whores of the day, I’m in awe of just how accurate all those medieval hygienic trends are portrayed in GoT.

    :)

  99. Chickenduck
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Don’t care:
    Lol wasn’t Sibel Kekili (sp?) a former German pornstar.

    Yes… She was young and needed the money. It came to light after she got well-known in mainstream German TV and movies, which caused a major falling-out between her and her parents (who are from Turkey and apparently relatively liberal by Turkish standards, but still didn’t approve).

  100. Pascoe
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Treasonbeard,

    I actually laughed out loud. What is wrong with me.

  101. Chickenduck
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    I’m pretty forgiving of whatever the show comes up with… Except the shaving.

    Natalia Tena said it best; “I offered to grow a massive bush for Osha’s nude scene, but they said no. I mean, serious, Osha should have serious muff… Like muff halfway to her knees.”

    You tell ‘em, Tonks!

  102. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    Stannis Dillane?

    Like many above me I find his similarity to Stannis and knowledge if 70′s German porn hilarious.

    As for the nudity debate, my stance is the same as ever: I would prefer if the nudity and sex scenes weren’t there, but for the most part GoT is rather tasteful in the way it does nudity so I don’t mind most of it. I think there are just three scenes that I thought were a bit much: the girl-girl Baelish monologue in S1, The Night Lands (all of it) and the Podrick scene in S3 (but that one is mostly because it was just stupid, and the screen time could have been given to other characters *cough* Catelyn *cough*).

  103. Rygar
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:02 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t 70s German porn where they shit on each other? I’d wager that Dillane doesn’t watch much porn.

  104. cosca
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    the Podrick scene in S3 (but that one is mostly because it was just stupid, and the screen time could have been given to other characters *cough* Catelyn *cough*).

    Honestly, I don’t think you can blame the Podrick scenes for the lack of Catelyn. HBO is quite flexible with episode times, and they cut a handful of scenes from the season already, not to mention that the Pod scenes put together are like 4 minutes. They just didn’t write more Catelyn scenes for whatever reason.

  105. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about German Porn from the 70s but you must love those “Dutch Angles” eh Stannis?

  106. sunspear
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    I’ve always been disappointed in the lack of Stephen Dillane interviews for this series. Glad we finally got some.

    Chickenduck,

    The best fan-rationalization for the lack of pubic hair is that they do it to get rid of pubic lice. I remember seeing an article on the Huffington Post about the AMA or some such organization praising Sex and the City for encouraging woman to shave for that reason.

    cosca: Honestly, I don’t think you can blame the Podrick scenes for the lack of Catelyn. HBO is quite flexible with episode times, and they cut a handful of scenes from the season already, not to mention that the Pod scenes put together are like 4 minutes. They just didn’t write more Catelyn scenes for whatever reason.

    That, plus, what exactly would you have Catelyn be doing? She spends most of her arc in ASOS, especially the early part, as a camera for what Robb is doing, and she already got two speeches.

  107. Greenjones
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    matt,

    Refreshing is the perfect word. Even if they’re being honest it can be annoying sometimes to have actors constantly talking in glowing terms about their gigs. Dillane and Stannis cannot lie.

    Joshua Atreides,

    Oh Carice. Dillane ought to have enjoyed THAT at least.

  108. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:45 pm | Permalink

    Clearly I’ve been slacking on my cultural anthropological coursework. I haven’t researched 1970s German porn nearly enough.

  109. Boojam
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor: German

    I was just wondering what the hell is German Porn!
    American Porn of 1970′s must of swamped it here in the USA!
    Remember all those XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX films?

  110. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck:
    Natalia Tena said it best; “I offered to grow a massive bush for Osha’s nude scene, but they said no.I mean, serious, Osha should have serious muff…Like muff halfway to her knees.”

    There’s got to be some sort of award for that comment. lol!

  111. Greenjones
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 8:42 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    She says a little more about than that even. Here, about 2 minutes in.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gDQIB6AHw0

  112. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 8:53 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister:
    That is hilarious.Perfect casting.And tho I don’t think Stannis would eagerly buy into “state’s rights”, Dillane killed it as Thomas Jefferson in the John Adams miniseries.Sold.

    I know, right? I keep waiting for the rest of the Continental Congress to show up every scene he’s in!

  113. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck:
    I’m pretty forgiving of whatever the show comes up with…Except the shaving.

    Natalia Tena said it best; “I offered to grow a massive bush for Osha’s nude scene, but they said no.I mean, serious, Osha should have serious muff…Like muff halfway to her knees.”

    You tell ‘em, Tonks!

    Normally it’s annoying when people refer to celebrities as their bffs. However, whenever I read or see an interview with Natalia Tena I always wish we were buddies.

    Anyways, my theory about why people complain about the nudity and sex on GoT is that the LF brothel scene in season 1 ep. 7 left a really strong impression. After that, people were primed to view the show as soft core pornish.

    It doesn’t matter. People who are freaked out by nudity enough to not watch the show would be put off by the violence and dark bleak plots anyway. I doubt cutting down on sex would increase viewership appreciably.

  114. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 9:56 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I don’t think we will see any skin from Lena until Cersei’s walk. Headey has hinted that she will be doing this scene in an interview.

  115. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Natalia Tena’s voice alone is enough to keep me home from work. Thx….she really cleans up well. I’m smitten. No wonder GRRM wants to write more for Osha in TWoW/ADoS.

  116. The Greatsteve
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 10:22 pm | Permalink

    Uther Greenshirt,

    Woulda made a great Bolton:
    “Say that again, and know that if you’re lying to me, I will find you, and I will skin you.”

    Glad to finally hear from Stephen Dillane, too. As I recall this is the first interview in which he’s really spoken about G0T. I hear he’s not a fan of doing press.

  117. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Aw, man…just to think about Cersei’s dark journey into madness and all the intense craziness in KL in AFfC/ADwD…then to witness that awful walk…damn! But will she truly be bald….everywhere?

  118. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:18 pm | Permalink

    Red wedding reference on the Daily Show. Damn. That episode is still relevant and I think it will be a much used pop culture reference for years to come.

    Also, Lena Heady is going to be a guest judge on the upcoming season of Rupaul’s Drag Race. Hopefully the challenge will be GoT themed, or if there are intellectual property issues with that, fantasy/medieval themed.

  119. Chickenduck
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:31 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:

    Anyways, my theory about why people complain about the nudity and sex on GoT is that the LF brothel scene in season 1 ep. 7 left a really strong impression.After that, people were primed to view the show as soft core pornish.

    I’d be inclined to agree with that.

    That brothel scene lead directly to the widespread use of the term “sexploitation” after all…

  120. Greenjones
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck,

    Sexposition you mean, sexploitation goes back longer. I’d say every Ros scene in season 1 was sexposition, particularly her Theon one. It really isn’t the most tactless technique though, if you think about it. I mean Theon would sleep with and then brag to a hooker. And Pycelle would blather to anyone.

    The Littlefinger scene had shades of American Psycho to it (I think intentionally). If they’d cut to them less and showed him more it would have been alright, it wasn’t badly written. But showing the girls while he was talking and their incessant moaning drove that one over the top.

  121. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:40 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Chickenduck,

    Sexposition you mean

    Isn’t the Meereenese Knot a sexposition? hehehehehe

  122. Dogmayor
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:44 pm | Permalink

    The one true king.

  123. Sam W.
    Posted January 16, 2014 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    Can any man be more based?

  124. Chriss
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Sex is good and enjoyable and does add to Game of Thrones. But it has also been pointless and worthless and cheap at times. Humorously, the example I can think of as being the worst sex scene in the entire series (1-3) is when Ramsay’s women seduce Theon. It was totally unbelievable, and quite stupid. It actually interfered with my immersion in the show. Everyone I’ve spoken with about that scene had issues with it. Again, it’s not because there was nudity and sex, it was just because it was incredibly unrealistic- it was almost like a bad porn set up. I say this is humorous because, of course, that episode was written by George R. R. Martin, I think.

  125. Greenjones
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:04 am | Permalink

    Chriss,

    “And how can we make him feel better?”

    I don’t know, make him a sandwich.

    I justify that scene in my head by thinking that Ramsay wrote the girls’ dialogue for them.

  126. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    the cheap ones enhance the meaniful ones and nudity isnt aweful remember this isnt even on earth….

    please Stephen do a commentary track…Mr Dance please do a commentary track!! please?

  127. OldeCrone
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:20 am | Permalink

    If I’m discussing GoT with people who haven’t seen it I say that there is nudity and violence so that they know what to expect if they watch the show and I have said that one character had “the most unkindest cut of all” in Series 3. I can only judge from my personal reactions. I said on another thread that, for example, Dany having had her clothes burnt off makes sense when she emerges from the ashes of the funeral pyre at the end of Series 1. In Series 3 I was starting to get “not again” whenever Theon on the St Andrew cross thing turned up. That particular storyline was always going to be difficult. My understanding is that it’s more subtle in the books [I still have one book to read but was "spoilered"]. Pod’s fling with the prostitutes didn’t really move the story forward.

    Stephen Dillane seems a straight-talking person. People have said on other threads that show Stannis does not have the one-liners that book Stannis does. Maybe not so many but I personally found the first show Stannis appearance in Series [when I was completely unsullied] amusing – where he’s dictating the raven message and tells the scribe that Robert was not his “beloved” brother and then to include the “Ser” in Jaime’s title because whatever Jaime had done he was still a knight.

  128. OldeCrone
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    O.T. Just seen the new poll – now WiC do you really expect someone to say if they watch pirated copies of the show?

  129. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 3:15 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone,
    Easily. I watch pirated copies.

    For me it goes:
    1) watch it on showcase (the channel it airs on in Australia)
    2) watch pirated copies while I wait for the blurays to come out
    3) watch the blurays (while keeping the pirated copies just so I can quickly check stuff when referencing things in posts)

  130. Talisa's ghost
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    All I learned from this is that Stephen Dillane watched German porn in the 70s and maybe…starred in it? Someone with a vast porn knowledge should check this.

    And honestly I expected far more nudity when I first started watching the show, but a few scenes here and there (that not always contain sex, sometimes it’s just a naked body, which is the most natural thing in the world) is not that much. I think there’s a lot of exaggeration when it comes to GoT nudity.

  131. OldeCrone
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 3:55 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I was thinking that admitting to watching pirated videos might leave one open if the anti-pirate brigade decided to get tough. I know no-one has come down hard on illegal downloads the way they do on pirated CDs but they might in future. Best not give them the ammo.

  132. Laurentius
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:05 am | Permalink

    thank you both. Now. I propose a trial by combat to win my favor.

    jentario:
    Carne,

    Ha! I win :P

  133. JamesL
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    As for the nudity debate, my stance is the same as ever: I would prefer if the nudity and sex scenes weren’t there,

    You would prefer if there were no sex and nudity in Game of Thrones at all? That seems a bit extreme. There is plenty of sexuality in books, if there was none at all in the show we would be getting a very censored version of this story. The books are dark, violent, and sexual and so is the show, I like it that way and I think most fans would agree.

  134. Greenjones
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:24 am | Permalink
  135. dragonreborn
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    I pirate it bcz it takes too long for it to be broadcasted on a turkish tv (like a day)
    and I don’t like to watch tv. I don’t want someone else to decide when to start watching or when to pause except it is my bf. maybe not even then!

  136. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:32 am | Permalink

    JamesL,
    None at all May have been a bit of an exaggeration. There are some very important sex scenes that have advanced the plot or contributed to character development in ways that other scenes wouldn’t have been able to. But definitely none of the ones that are just there for the sake of having a sex scene or nudity.

    OldeCrone,
    In my defence they do get their money from me… Twice… And again when I buy the soundtracks and merchandise…

  137. H. Stark
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:58 am | Permalink

    You should add another option in the poll: DVD/Blu-ray :)

  138. Pau
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:15 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    OldeCrone,
    Easily. I watch pirated copies.

    For me it goes:
    1) watch it on showcase (the channel it airs on in Australia)
    2) watch pirated copies while I wait for the blurays to come out
    3) watch the blurays (while keeping the pirated copies just so I can quickly check stuff when referencing things in posts)

    Same thing here, except for the Australia part. But it’s not pirated copies, it’s borrowed from someone who I might or might not know from the interwebs :P

    PS: 1973, best year to be born in ;)

  139. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    H. Stark,

    Agreed, I only pirate the series I can’t get on DVD, so long as Sky refuses to just sell Sky Atlantic to those who want it but nothing else, but then I would only want to watch GoT so then it would be a waste of time anyway. Well, season 3 will be on DVD/Blu-Ray on February 20th, but I preordered it 3 months ago.

    Edit: We shouldn’t call it “Dothrakiing” not pirating, stealing other people’s handiwork is their culture more than it is for a pirate, who would normally steal treasure so he could sell it, rather than just as a keepsake (clothing and jewellery being the major exceptions).

  140. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic: We shouldn’t call it “Dothrakiing” not pirating

    Missed my chance to correct shouldn’t for should, but I don’t know, it would seem like a fun thing to call it for fans of the show.

  141. cosca
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 8:32 am | Permalink

    Chriss,

    I’m sorry, but the worst sex scene is still LF’s whore monologue. I could barely hear how evil he was over the sound of the moaning.

  142. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    I quite enjoy a good shag

  143. Red Hound
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    I don’t think the nudity in GOT is so bad except for the already mentioned by many brothel scene in the first season.

    I don’t really follow many TV shows, but I tried to watch Spartacus and I had to stop mid way of the second or the third episode. The sex really felt totally gratuitous and annoying, like a way of saying “This show sucks, so here’s some porn for you to stay hooked”. I have read good reviews of the show and I’m far from prudish, but it was ridiculous.

  144. adense
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    I felt the same way. But, surprisingly, it got better by the end of the season. And season 2 and 3, particularly 3, were good.

    Red Hound:
    I don’t think the nudity in GOT is so bad except for the already mentioned by many brothel scene in the first season.

    I don’t really follow many TV shows, but I tried to watch Spartacus and I had to stop mid way of the second or the third episode. The sex really felt totally gratuitous and annoying, like a way of saying “This show sucks, so here’s some porn for you to stay hooked”. I have read good reviews of the show and I’m far from prudish, but it was ridiculous.

  145. Red Hound
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    Maybe I could give it a try then. I would read what happened during the first two seasons, then hop directly to the third. Thanks for the info.

  146. Paul Blackfyre
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    I need more posts. My addiction to the series is far too strong to survive with just one post per day.

  147. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Paul Blackfyre,

    Game of Thrones fans have it easy compared to fans of the original “The Bridge” (Bron|Broen). They have to wait a good 2 years between seasons, though BBC Four’s been good enough to get them a few months earlier than they did in 2012. It has a lot in common with GoT too. 10 episodes per season, some extraneous side-plots which usually contribute to the main story later, a big cast of likeable and dis-likeable characters (though no where near as many), and great moments of suspense. 4 episodes in and it’s already wrong-footing the audience as it did last time. Highly-recommendable viewing!

  148. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Greenjones: Did anyone ever post this on New Year’s?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478992898887358&set=pb.235093796610604.-2207520000.1389950622.&type=3&theater

    Though Sibel posted in on New Year’s, apparently it’s from much earlier- from filming several months before.

  149. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    OldeCrone: O.T. Just seen the new poll – now WiC do you really expect someone to say if they watch pirated copies of the show?

    Looks like 39% of the people responding to poll so far have chosen that option, so….yep. :)

  150. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Any who.

    So if you haven’t watched True Detective, do it. Ep101 has everything. Amazing directing, cinematography, music, writing, and acting. Sure the characters are a bit cliché, but like the Wire that’s easily overlooked by everything else being superb.

  151. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 11:22 am | Permalink

    Pau,

    1973 was a great year for rock music.

  152. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    And TD’s got antler women!

  153. Felt Pelt
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    “Like German Porn in the 70′s” sounds like a great parody Belle and Sebastian song.

  154. KG
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    I have a sub to HBO and the DVD sets. On those occasions when I feel like watching an episode not yet released on DVD, I’ll download it, watch it on the computer, then delete it.

  155. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    I’m Ashamed to say that I get this

  156. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    Paul Blackfyre,
    Game of Thrones fans have it easy compared to fans of the original “The Bridge” (Bron|Broen). They have to wait a good 2 years between seasons, though BBC Four’s been good enough to get them a few months earlier than they did in 2012. It has a lot in common with GoT too. 10 episodes per season, some extraneous side-plots which usually contribute to the main story later, a big cast of likeable and dis-likeable characters (though no where near as many), and great moments of suspense. 4 episodes in and it’s already wrong-footing the audience as it did last time. Highly-recommendable viewing!

    That is a damn good show and I love how it was adapted on FX to focus on sinister border realities between Mexico and US. Both lead women are quite good.

    Can’t wait until Orphan Black gets adapted for the US market….although it is great as it stands.

  157. adense
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound,

    You can do that. Though I feel the final 2 episodes of Season 1 are very good. Though you may have to watch it all in order to build up the emotional investment, etc!

  158. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:07 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Did anyone ever post this on New Year’s?

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=478992898887358&set=pb.235093796610604.-2207520000.1389950622.&type=3&theater

    Besides Sam the Slayer, I only see dead and dying people in that pic.

  159. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Did America also get a big flood of dark Scandinavian dramas a few years back?

    Wallander (also remade in the UK), The Bridge, The Killing (also remade in the US), Borgen. I can get why some people would want to watch them all over and over, but The Bridge is the only one I could ever get into, and I’m very satisfied with it. Glad we’re getting 2 episodes a week too.

    Edit: Plus, it has a character called Nikolaj in it, which makes me grin a little.

  160. Nezzer
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Looks like 39% of the people responding to poll so far have chosen that option, so….yep. :)

    I wish you had added the option “I subscribe to HBO AND pirate it”. I pirate it to rewatch the episode, because HBO Go does not support my cable provider in my country.

  161. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:33 pm | Permalink

    That poll is very bias towards American’s

  162. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Did America also get a big flood of dark Scandinavian dramas a few years back?

    Yeah, awesome northern European imports have always been fun, ranging from ABBA (!) to Lisbeth Salander (from “Dragon Tattoo”, who was arguably the most awesome dark female character ever written, imho, besides Sophie from “Sophie’s Choice”). I believe another great female lead, La Femme Nikita, was also adapted (never saw the US show). Nikita seemed Scandinavian, but it took place in central Europe. I really enjoy dark, mysterious female leads…..with the exception of Anni-Frid and Agnetha. :)

  163. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    God damn fucking right it is.

  164. Patchy Face
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Sorry about the poll but the show is HBO. (American)

  165. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury,
    I agree with others that there should be several more options added to the poll, including HBO-Go, Amazon streaming video, foreign viewings via an HBO-contracted feed, DVD, Blueray, VHS, Cocteau theatre, group watch with a friend’s subscription, borrowing a friend’s DVDs/Blurays, YouTube 10 minute segments, parodies, etc…..all of which are very viable methods to enjoy and review/research this awesome show.

  166. Patchy Face
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:54 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    This. What a great show

  167. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    It’s a good show. But I can’t call it great until I see more of Alexandra Daddario, in more ways than one. Also, if McConaughey’s character turns out to be the killer I will be really disappointed.

  168. Zack
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Ours is the Fury: Looks like 39% of the people responding to poll so far have chosen that option, so….yep. :)

    I am one of them, this year :(

    Traditionally I’ve used HBO Go, but money’s tight this year. I voted that option somewhat regretfully, but you know, I still buy the discs and merch now and then. I just can’t do the $70 per month.

    I’d get HBO Go if it were available as its own service, or pay per episode via something like iTunes if the option were there…

    On the nudity thing…for me, the sexual content is the least important aspect of the show. They could include the scenes but film them in a way that minimizes exposed flesh and I don’t feel like much would be lost. So I am on board with Dillane’s comments. I’m not begrudging its inclusion, just saying it’s not at all why I watch the show (or read the books)

  169. jentario
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, my country doesn’t have HBO at all. GOT airs in a special TV-provider channel that’s's filled with all the good, successful shows. I can’t say I subscribe to HBO, then, but I do watch it legally. I also have all the episodes recorded on my machine, which means I don’t need to pirate in order to re-watch episodes >:)

  170. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I doubt that very much. I have a feeling Cohle and Hart caught the wrong guy knowingly in order to appease the Governor and his Reverend brother. I also sense that Cohle sleeps with Harts wife (probably after finding out Hart is cheating) causing the breakup of their partnership.

  171. Pau
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Red Hound:
    Maybe I could give it a try then. I would read what happened during the first two seasons, then hop directly to the third. Thanks for the info.

    The second was my favourite, but the third was very close. Definitelly much better than the first. If I were you I’d watch the last 2-3 episodes of the first, and continue from there

  172. OldeCrone
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    My comment on casting a vote if one watches the show was made tongue in cheek. I’m not saying how people should or should not watch the show. I would not admit to watching pirated versions myself – what if the powers that be decided to clamp down on it and wanted to know the email addresses of people who had said they watched pirated versions? I don’t know if when people vote on WiC it’s anonymous; I assume there is something in place to stop people voting twice, which made me think that maybe when a vote is cast one’s ID is known.

  173. Polish
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I doubt that very much.I have a feeling Cohle and Hart caught the wrong guy knowingly in order to appease the Governor and his Reverend brother.I also sense that Cohle sleeps with Harts wife (probably after finding out Hart is cheating) causing the breakup of their partnership.


    My first thought was the same re: Rust cheats with Marty’s wife. But then I thought that that might be too obvious? So we’ll see. Watched it yesterday. Hooked

  174. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,
    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    Hah! I was thinking something along the same lines. Hart’s wife does seem intrigued by Cohle at the dinner table. Plus, when Hart took Alexandra’s character into another room to speak with her, can you guess what they were doing? Probably more on that next Sunday. I also think that the governor is gonna turn out to be freak with pyscho-religious cult ties.

  175. Pau
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Pau: The second was my favourite, but the third was very close. Definitelly much better than the first. If I were you I’d watch the last 2-3 episodes of the first, and continue from there

    Ok first, adense beat me to it, and second, thinking about it I got confused with the prequel between s1 and s2. My favourites would be the last third of s1, the prequel and s2. S3 I didn’t like as much. And my favourite character would be Batiatus without a doubt

    There are much better shows out there though, like Justified and as Rygar says True Detective (although we have to wait to see how that ends)

    Ah and also The Bridge is pretty fucking good, as HB and some others were saying

  176. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    That all makes too much sense. I think you nailed it. The governor’s cousin is the killer.

  177. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    no wedding ring on Harts finger during his “interview”. And there is one scene where someone says something like “I wish I was married only half the time “and Hart smiles and agrees. His affair probably ends his marriage, Cohle moves in on his ex and ruins their partnership. Its always about punanni.

  178. Pau
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    OldeCrone:
    My comment on casting a vote if one watches the show was made tongue in cheek.I’m not saying how people should or should not watch the show.I would not admit to watching pirated versions myself – what if the powers that be decided to clamp down on it and wanted to know the email addresses of people who had said they watched pirated versions? I don’t know if when people vote on WiC it’s anonymous; I assume there is something in place to stop people voting twice, which made me think thatmaybe when a vote is cast one’s ID is known.

    I don’t think that’s very likely…do you live in the states/uk? that bad has gotten there?

    Btw looking at the poll, that only talks about HBO and not other providers like SKY I was wondering how many of the visitors/commenters are from the US and how many from outside?

    It would be neat to have some kind of graphic, I guess it would be pretty easy to do with the IP info?

    PS: not trying to be beligerant at all, I love the US…lived 1 year in Kansas when I was a teen and I have to say americans are one of the most hospitable people I’ve known and still have great friends there . Plus without the US we wouldn’t have ASOIAF or GOT (or WiC!) so there’s that too ;)

  179. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,
    I can only imagine what the dark truth is behind the death of Cohle’s daughter.

  180. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m not sure sure. I’m thinking more along the lines of what happened with the West Memphis Three. If you don’t know that story, then I recommend you watch the three Paradise Lost documentaries.

  181. Pau
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I’m not sure sure. I’m thinking more along the lines of what happened with the West Memphis Three. If you don’t know that story, then I recommend you watch the three Paradise Lost documentaries.

    WoW I love those documentaries!!! I watched them all in one sitting when the third came out about 2 years ago and was shocked by them..

  182. JamesL
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Can’t wait until Orphan Black gets adapted for the US market….although it is great as it stands.

    Pretty sure Orphan Black already is made for the US market, it is a BBCAmerica original drama.

  183. JoopStroop
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    lol when people were saying “did you see him in the tunnel” I thought they were talking about leaked screenshots of Stannis in the tunnel under the wall fighting giants and stuff. :p

  184. Jentario
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    JoopStroop,

    You spoiler tagged only one word out of a completely spoilery sentence.

  185. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Can’t wait until Orphan Black gets adapted for the US market….although it is great as it stands.

    I can’t wait for you to get “Black Mirror” and “Utopia” from Channel 4, unless you already get them somehow, probably on BBC America. The latter is one of the coolest British dramas for a long time (but the former’s awesome too), and despite having only a million viewers per episode (enough to axe any mainstream show around here) it’s getting a second series this year, I hope it’s this year anyway. It’ll feature Rose Leslie and Ian “Emperor Palpatine” McDiarmid, and already has Geraldine James who would make a pretty good Genna Lannister or Barbrey Dustin if they were to hire her.

    It’s odd, normally I would object to talking about other shows on these threads, but considering the themes of the last one, clearly we need as many good show recommendations as possible.

  186. JR
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    More naked Melisandre please!

  187. Arthur
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Apparently HBO executives think T&A equals rating success… They got ride of ‘Newsroom’ to replace it with this crap?

    http://hbowatch.com/hbo-gets-hard-thats-right-hard/

    Thanks HBO but no thanks, if I wanted to watch something like ‘Hard’ then I would just watch real porn…

    I don’t know what their fetish with nudity is…

  188. Greenjones
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    JR,

    I think Carice will be clothed this season, I don’t see how they could manage it this year. Even last year’s was a bit of a stretch, though I wasn’t one to complain about it. ;)

  189. Carne
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink
  190. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    I’ll watch. Something I can’t say for ‘The Newsroom’, which I quit 7 or 8 episodes in, something I never do with shows I watch. I’m shocked it lasted 3 seasons.

  191. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of new shows, the new mini-series ‘Klondike’ is getting good reviews, and Richard Madden, the show’s star, is receiving big time props. I may have to check it out.

  192. Jentario
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    Wrong link is wrong.
    Anyway, I love Toboscus’ literal trailers. Hopefully this spikes up the season 4 trailer again. I want to see it getting to 20. We’re only at 13 million so far.

  193. Carne
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    Jentario,

    Gah, how did I even mess that up? Could a mod remove the WiC part of my link?

    Edit:
    Thanks!

  194. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Pretty sure Orphan Black already is made for the US market, it is a BBCAmerica original drama.

    Yeah, I keep on forgetting about that BBCAmerica business. I only caught the show via DVD. I guess what I meant was that I’d like to see it adapted to reach a larger audience, maybe via FX, AMC, HBO…seems to be right up their alley. The S1 Ep1 had a 1.03 viewership rating on this side of the pond but the rest of the episodes barely registered above .3. Just awful for a show and concept of that quality.

  195. Starkfell
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    Wouldn’t you like to see a prequel to GOTs? Maybe a big screen movie of Roberts Rebellion? That would be the tits.

  196. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 8:20 pm | Permalink

    Starkfell,
    My hope (that will never happen) is 9 seasons of GoT then a full 6 season prequel anthology series documenting the Targaryen dynasty:
    Season 1 = Aegon’s war of conquest
    Season 2 = the first Dance of the Dragons
    Season 3 = the first Blackfyre Rebellion
    Seasons 4 and 5 = a complete adaption of Dunk and Egg
    Season 6 = Robert’s Rebellion (maybe with the Greyjoy Rebellion shoved in the last few episodes for good measure)

    It would never happen, but a man could dream…

  197. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 8:25 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    Starkfell,
    Season 2 = the first Dance of the Dragons

    Wow…what a glorious dream.

    Season 2 would be almost entirely CGI-driven… ;)

  198. Rygar
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I’m sure you could persuade Peter Jackson to do it if he could take time off from imitating George Lucas.

  199. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,
    As a Tolkien nerd who just finished listening to a podcast ranting about George Luxas, I found this hilarious :P.

  200. Cary Storm
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:19 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Maybe this whole thing could be produced by Pixar Studios.

  201. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Cary Storm:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Maybe this whole thing could be produced by Pixar Studios.

    An R-rated Pixar film? That would be the day….

    All seriousness though, the dance of dragons (as Ser Tahu listed, which is TP&tQ) might be better served as an animated film, almost like Bakshi’s Wizards was done.

  202. Arthur
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    Just watched a 10min inside look of Starz new ‘Black Sails’ series…

    My first impression is it looks interesting…

    It’s basically Starz resurrection of their one hit series ‘Spartacus’, but set in a different time period with a different type of warrior/cutthroat culture being explored…

    It does look good, starts Jan 26th at 9pm…

    That means ill be DVRing it while watching ‘True Detective’. I am hoping its a pleasant surprise like ‘Vikings’ was so my wait until April 6th can be a little less painful…

  203. Bean
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Chriss,

    Fact

  204. Bean
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    It’s not about the quantity. It’s about the embarassingly horrible and pointless quality.

  205. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Rygar,
    It’s a good show. But I can’t call it great until I see more of Alexandra Daddario, in more ways than one.

    You will enjoy episode 2 then. ;)

  206. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 17, 2014 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    I was glad to learn that it was New Line’s idea to make 3 films not PJ. He manages to get his old brilliance several times through both Hobbit films yet quickly loses it again, he is so under the Studio’s heel on this one. He just can’t decide what tone to use. DoS was an improvement upon the first I thought, but stretching a 250 page book into three films diminishes the whole production in my opinion.

  207. Cary Storm
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I think Pixar would be willing to do an R-rated film. It’s time. Lots of animated muff and dong and no worries about nudity clauses.

  208. Randa
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:47 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Red wedding reference on the Daily Show.Damn.That episode is still relevant and I think it will be a much used pop culture reference for years to come.

    Also, Lena Heady is going to be a guest judge on the upcoming season of Rupaul’s Drag Race.Hopefully the challenge will be GoT themed, or if there are intellectual property issues with that, fantasy/medieval themed.

    Oh. My. GAWD!

    I hope it’s the top 7…and they have to design looks based on the houses…I…I can’t…this post broke me.

  209. Greenjones
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:07 am | Permalink

    More from Stephen. Doesn’t mention GoT but still an insight into the man who gives us insight into Stannis. Here y’are.

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/jan/18/stephen-dillane-q-and-a

  210. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:15 am | Permalink

    Bean,

    The vast majority of the scenes are well-done, and not at all focused on titillation. So what point are you trying to make? That some of the scenes have been badly handled? I don’t think anyone is arguing against that.

  211. cosca
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Why has he suddenly started doing interviews?

  212. Greenjones
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    cosca,

    For his show “the Tunnel” I think. Must’ve been part of whatever contract he signed. Or maybe because he’s one of two leads for that rather than, as is the case in GoT, one of like thirty.

  213. JamesL
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 6:01 am | Permalink

    Arthur,

    Apparently HBO executives think T&A equals rating success… They got ride of ‘Newsroom’ to replace it with this crap?

    http://hbowatch.com/hbo-gets-hard-thats-right-hard/

    Thanks HBO but no thanks, if I wanted to watch something like ‘Hard’ then I would just watch real porn…

    I don’t know what their fetish with nudity is…

    Arthur, I usually like your posts on here but this comment doesn’t make sense. Whatever that show is it has nothing to do with the Newsroom being cancelled. The Newsroom is ending because Aaron Sorkin wants it to not because HBO may make an American version of some French comedy show. And that “Hard” show is only in development, most shows they have in development don’t even make it to the pilot stage.

  214. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    JamesL,
    As much as I despise the notion of ‘Hard’ even existing, let alone getting a HBO remake, I would have to agree. The Newsroom, Boardwalk Empire and True Blood (which, admittedly, was barely better than porn in the first three seasons, although it got better in the last three) all at least sound like they ended on the terms of the producers. And if you look at the shows we currently know if that HBO has in development, you have The Spark (sci-fi), Westworld (sci-fi western?), Monster (crime), The Money (business/corruption drama?), Masters of the Air (WWII period piece), Open (essentially porn) and Hard. 2 good ones for every porn series is essentially their current ratio, so that seems about right.

  215. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 8:50 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    If by brilliance you mean far off shots of landscape with characters running about, yeah, he has succeeded that many times in DoS. DoS lost all connection to the main character and gave us a made up Elf/Dwarf love story which, in my mind, diminished the impact of Gimli falling for Galadriel in LotR since a dwarf loving an elf is such a rare thing in Middle Earth.

    And PJ failed to give us one glimpse of Evangeline Lily’s elf rump. Best Ass in Mirkwood.

    Edit: Sorry for the PJ hate. I just find these films to be bereft of any substance or emotional value. Its a CGI love fest, that in 3D, is difficult to watch.

  216. Ser Tahu
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    Rygar,
    Not to mention all of the lore breaking stuff…

    #NOONEUNDERSTAAANDS

  217. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 9:19 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    And I failed to mention that any sense of emotion or substance was just rehashed dialogue and/or themes from the LotRs trilogy. *Gruff voice* “My Bilbo, Hobbits truly are remarkable people”

  218. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 9:22 am | Permalink

    And I’ll just add that Peter Jackson has caused me to hate Richard Armitage, which up until The Hobbit, I never thought possible.

  219. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 9:44 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    At least Open will have Anna Torv. The closer she is to HBO the better.

  220. OldeCrone
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:05 am | Permalink

    Pau: I don’t think that’s very likely…do you live in the states/uk? that bad has gotten there?

    I’m based in the UK. No it’s not that bad yet, Pau, but there was a kerfuffle in the UK some months back because somebody described a person (a big business person) as being a pedophile (sp??) (paedophile????) incorrectly. [The person who did have the nasty inclinations was a dead relation of the person named]. The person who made the wrong accusation did apologise but some people have been calling for social media to be monitored more strictly than at present. There have also been some cases of cyber-bullying where teenagers have killed themselves because of nasty things being said about them on social media. My understanding is that the laws have not been tightened up as yet but possibly they might be in the future. I’m all for freedom of expression – the freedoms people enjoy in “the West” have been hard won over the centuries – but I’m against the really vicious type of “trolling”. So in answer to your question, I was thinking about what might happen in the future.

  221. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:11 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Rygar,

    It’s a good show. But I can’t call it great until I see more of Alexandra Daddario, in more ways than one. Also, if McConaughey’s character turns out to be the killer I will be really disappointed.

    Alexandra Daddario? If it weren’t for those massive bosoms I’d think she was a dude in drag. Manly face that looks like she could take a punch or two to the jaw before she pummels you with a right hook.

  222. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    As I said, every now and then there’s a moment you feel you are watching old LOTR, like the spider scene or Laketown before the Orc attack or when Bilbo is talking to Smaug before the CGI Rube Goldberg clusterfuck. It’s there for a moment but it’s gone within a blink of the eye.
    That said, Tauriel was actually a bright spot in the film, or at least her character was. The forced Dwarf love/Legolas triangle was ridiculous. I couldn’t help but laugh when Tauriel is straddling Fili? Kili? And it looks like she is riding him in the Biblical sense. It was a weird moment.
    And Armitage is a good actor, but his lines are terrible. One moment he’s awesome and one moment he is an asshole. So inconsistent. And I still don’t know what to make of Lee Pace. He is a superlative actor, but they wrote him too weird and he went over the top.

  223. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Rygar: Alexandra Daddario? If it weren’t for those massive bosoms I’d think she was a dude in drag.Manly face.

    I think she is absolutely beautiful. Her eyes are mesmerizing. I don’t see the manly aspect at all.

  224. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    Beauty is in the eye, but she’s Kristen Stewart with boobies.

  225. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Sorry to be defensive but you had to attack one of my top 10 girls didn’t you? ;) Ah well. Just know she has many adherents so don’t act surprised if many disagree with your assessment. You can counter this with a sarcastic retort now.

    Also nothing in my Hobbit dissection was worth commenting on?

    And KStew? Really?

  226. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    You left me with nothing worth countering upon. ;)

    I just don’t see it. Apart from tits. Tits do go a long way with making someone more attractive. Just ask my plastic surgeon.

    WildSeed is gonna have a field day with this.

  227. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Oh shit. I was thinking of someone else. No, she’s hot. Way hot.

  228. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 12:00 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    ? I’m confused…we were talking about True Detective right?

  229. JamesL
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Who were you thinking of?

  230. Turncloak
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard:
    Sometimes I wonder if GoT had the same budget but was hosted on AMC or FX, which have less nudity “mandates” for obvious reasons, would the show have a vastly different appeal? Admittedly, GRRM’s books have substantial sex and sexual violence, but if that aspect of the tale was handled in a more passive/implied context, would the show have a mass appeal? I don’t really want to get into a “sex vs violence” debate but sometimes you wonder how another channel would handle material like this.

    Does less gratuitous sex enable a more focused plotline? Or is more onscreen sex actually part of the “variety is the spice of life” viewing experience?

    Game of Thrones would be a vastly INFERIOR show on AMC. They cut the budget for Breaking Bad for gods sake. They also forced out the showrunner of their cash cow “the walking dead” and then lost their second showrunner the following season. Don’t get me started on the sinking ship that’s AMC

    To be honest HBO is the only network that could have handled this project and both GRRM and D&D knew that. No other network could handle this kind of budget and deliver this type of quality in my opinion.

  231. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 1:11 pm | Permalink

    Alexandra Daddario. She’s not all tits. Check her out in this trailer for Bereavement if you don’t believe me.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQSsrVpDZ1g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

  232. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    I’m not a big fan of AMC’s fiscal decisions of late, but actually, my “what if” comment tried to take the “budget” out of the equation and focus solely on the non-monetary values that non-HBO channels bring to the forefront (nudity, etc.).

    …if GoT had the same budget…

    Even though the budget was an issue, VG and his staff had pretty much total control of the show’s content, without too much network influence, and they hit it out of the ballpark, imho.

    …and I think the ongoing debate over the nudity stuff is pretty good thus far.

  233. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    I agree with most of your examples, except I felt the Laketown power struggle to be laughable, especially with Worm tongue lurking about. I would have preferred a lesser known or not as renown of an actor to play Thorin. Viggo worked for Aragorn because he was relatively unknown. Thorin has no depth and yet PJ and co are attempting to give him some and it has failed.

    That being said, I feel that PJ is a terrible director. I feel that he has lost his muse and went the way of George Lucas. Money talks, I guess. Now it just has a kiwi accent.

  234. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Joshua Atreides,
    That being said, I feel that PJ is a terrible director. I feel that he has lost his muse…

    I agree that PJ has lowered his storytelling vigor in lieu of contractual obligations and over-exercised dwarf-love after LotR, but that’s a harsh judgment on him, given his technical and visionary contributions to the genre. He’ll probably never reach LotR quality again (it’s the writing, man) but currently he seems to be happy wringing out every last drip of Tolkien lore for NewLine’s benefit and bolstering his retirement plan. Can’t blame him, I guess.

    Just no more eagle “deus ex-machina” please!

  235. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    What actress were you thinking of? And in regards to the Hobbit film, Ken Stott’s Bailin steals every scene from Armitage. Every line with Stott is fantastic.

  236. Arthur
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I’m sorry maybe I was just babble venting…

    It’s just HBO has canceled ‘Boardwalk Empite’, ‘True Blood’ and ‘Newsroom’ now…

    Besides ‘True Detective’, it seems all HBO has on the near horizon is 30min comedy’s.

    Shows like ‘Veep’ ‘Girls’ ‘Family Tree’ ‘Jaymie Private School Girl’ ‘East Bound and Down’ and all the other 30min shows, though some I do enjoy, aren’t anything I look forward to.

    I am still hoping HBO announces another 60min epic series to come out soon.

    The 30min comedies don’t impress me and if I wanted those kind of things I’d watch ‘Two and a Half Men’ and ‘Big Bang Theory’…

    So it seems HBO just is creating a bunch of 30min shows that show tits and ass and have R rated content and I’m suppose to be impressed…

    Sorry for being Debbie Downer but besides GoT and TB HBO has nothing I look forward to these days…

    All my personal opinion of course…

  237. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Daddario should have been Wonder Woman in my opinion. They still have a chance as the new movie is delayed until 2016 now.

  238. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    No it was Daddario. I second guessed myself.

    Agreed about Stott. His performance makes Gimli’s reaction in the Mines of Maria upon entering his tomb in Fellowship that much more sorrowful.

  239. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    Arthur,

    After mentioning the British version yesterday, I searched for the US airings of Utopia, and apparently the rights for a US version have been picked up by HBO, which is very promising, even if the original’s good enough to be aired already. There are many particularly horrific moments in the show I hope they can adapt, including a torture scene that’s nearly as vile as all Theon’s Season 3 material put together, though thankfully not so long. Those who’ve seen it will know what I mean, it’s incredibly dark, but with a garish yellow hue as well for some reason.

  240. Patchy Face
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Unrelated subject – Does anyone know if GoT cast will be at SAG Awards today in LA? They were nominated as best TV ensemble cast and Dinklage was nominated for best actor. Don’t know if I should watch or not because I know they always focus on movie stars anyway (though I have been enjoying Matthew McC lately).

  241. Arthur
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    I guess one should not judge until one experiences for thyself…

    Of course ill watch it for 3-4 episodes and give it a chance as I do all premium cable series that I pay for…

    I just hope HBO has a good drama planned because these 30min comedy/whatever come a dime a dozen it seems.

    I thought GoT would open the door for expensive, Hollywood quality type premium cable series to start budding left and right.

    But it seems there’s nothing HBO has planned…

    Oh well, few more months and my HBO subscription fee will be well worth it…

  242. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    So were back to square one regarding her hotness:

    Josh Atreides: Hot!
    Rygar: Not!

    Capisce?

    Btw: Stott would have been a great Donal Noye.

  243. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    Rygar,

    I’m not clear…where do you guys stand regarding Kristen Stewart again?

  244. Zack
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides,

    She does have a resemblance to Kristen Stewart, I’d say. Not what I go for, but…acting talent isn’t dependent upon attractiveness, and I’ve no doubt True Detective will be well served to have her. It was a great first episode.

  245. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I don’t know anymore.

  246. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Zack,

    She does look like Kristen Stewart, if Kristen Stewart had more attractive eyes,tits,smile and overall body. Other than that I guess they are twins.

  247. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Zack,

    She does look like Kristen Stewart, if Kristen Stewart hadmore attractive eyes,tits,smile andoverall body. Other than that I guess they are twins.

    *High five*

  248. WildSeed
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 5:50 pm | Permalink

    Thought provoking interview with Dillane. I found his perspectives refreshingly intelligent with regards to the constant power struggles, show and character .

    Somehow his appearance in “Zero Dark Thirty” resonates with this POV. This gentleman always seem to stand out to me, no matter what character he portrays. And… Sean Bean makes for a better villain role, compared to good fellow.

  249. WildSeed
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    teenage angst *>*

  250. Rygar
    Posted January 18, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Didn’t say twins. But they do have very similar facial features, and when you add the dark eye make up, even more so.

    But Daddario is Hot.

  251. Toast
    Posted January 19, 2014 at 2:12 am | Permalink

    “Stannis Baratheon, just one of the warriors determined to seize power in the medieval blockbuster, where no one is safe as seven rulers fight for command of the mythical Westeros – when they’re not drinking, wenching, belching and watching clothes fall off with abandon.”

    Has this author ever watched the show? Seven rulers? Probably a mistake from assuming seven kingdoms would have seven rulers. Belching? I’ve rewatched many times and can’t think of a single belch, and if there was one it was most likely Robert Barratheon, and he only lasted 6 episodes.

  252. Stannislaw
    Posted January 20, 2014 at 12:28 am | Permalink

    He is Stannis Baratheon.

  253. Lola
    Posted January 22, 2014 at 7:33 am | Permalink

    Stannis Dillane sounds even better than Stephen Dillane… this is so amazing


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