HBO releases first batch of season 4 photos
By Winter Is Coming on in Media.

Almost as exciting as the day the first real trailer for a new season of Game of Thrones airs, is the day the first batch of publicity photos are released. We get to see the new characters, and old favorites, in costume in super detailed production stills. Well that day is here, my friends. HBO has just sent out 15 17 gorgeous photos from season 4. Check them out below!

Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen_photo Macall B.Polay_HBO

Pedro Pascal as Oberyn Martell, Indira Varma as Ellaria Sand_photo Helen Sloan_HBO

Rory McCann as Sandor ' The Hound' Clegane_photo Helen Sloane_HBO

Rose Leslie as Ygritte, Kristofer Hivju as Tormund_photo Helen Sloan_HBO

Sophie Turner as Sansa Stark, Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister_photo Macall B.Polay_HBO

Michiel Huisman as Daario Naharis_photo Macall B. Polay_HBO

Maisie Williams as Arya Stark, Rory McCann as Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane_photo Helen Sloan_HBO

Natalie Dormer as Margaery Tyrell, Diana Rigg as Olenna Tyrell_photo Macall B. Polay_HBO

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime Lannister, Lena Headey as Cersei Lannister_photo Neil Davidson_HBO

Peter Dinklage as Tyrion Lannister, Sibel Kekilli as Shae_photo Neil Davidson_HBO

Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister_photo Macall B.Polay_HBO

Emilia Clarke as Daenerys Targaryen, Nathalie Emmanuel as Missandei_photo Macall B.Polay_HBO

Jack Gleeson as Joffrey Baratheon_photo Macall B. Polay_HBO

John Bradley as Samwell Tarly_photo Neil Davidson_HBO

Kit Harington as Jon Snow_photo Helen Sloan_HBO

Bonus pictures! Courtesy of the official Game of Thrones Facebook page.

Jack Gleeson as Joffrey Baratheon in season 4

Emilia Clarke and Michiel Huisman as Daenerys Targaryen and Daario Naharis


362 Comments

  1. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

    Ellaria looks so fierce

  2. Valaquen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    My eyes have feasted this day!

  3. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    And here I am screaming that I saw these on Facebook first and was about to post here… when this happened.

  4. Angelique
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:42 pm | Permalink

    yay for more stills of Sandor Clegane, nice surprise!

  5. Bui Huu Duyet
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    What happened to Jaime’s hair?

  6. Lex
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Looks great. Liking the Red Viper and the new Daario.

  7. Barista Selmy
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    The Hound is so rude, typing away on his smartphone instead of paying attention to Arya!

  8. King Tommen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Bui Huu Duyet:
    What happened to Jaime’s hair?

    I’m going to go with “he got a haircut” but feel free to draw your own conclusions.

  9. Lex
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Barista Selmy:
    The Hound is so rude, typing away on his smartphone instead of paying attention to Arya!

    I thought the same thing, lol.

  10. Alys
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    WOW I just love the look of Ellaria. She looks so fierce, I am in love! The new Daario is looking much nicer in my opinion than the old one too. Poor Sansa looks so broken, it’s sweet to see Tyrion trying to comfort her. Jaime and Cersei ahhh I can’t wait to see them interact, Jaime with his golden hand, amazing! Jon with those scars on his face, looking more sad than ever. Is it april yet?

  11. Myrish Swampert
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:45 pm | Permalink

    Where is Bran? Why do they keep pretending that character doesn’t exist?

  12. Lex
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Jaime’s been relegated to sleeping on the couch.

  13. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Amazing, I’m especially geeking out over all the King’s Landing pics.

    Also, there appear to be straw dollies behind Jon. Could this mean what I think it does?

  14. Barista Selmy
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Ellaria is sure shooting daggers at somebody… maybe Cercei is telling her that the +1 invites for Joffrey’s wedding include only lawfully married people.

  15. Lars
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Myrish Swampert:
    Where is Bran? Why do they keep pretending that character doesn’t exist?

    Who is this ‘Bran’ you speak of?

  16. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Tormund: Son, sit down. Your mother and I have to talk to you.

    Alys: Poor Sansa looks so broken, it’s sweet to see Tyrion trying to comfort her

    If they come off as having affection for eachother like the way they’re holding hands there I will be mad

  17. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Barista Selmy,

    Or maybe she’s just been called the serpent’s whore?

  18. King Tommen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    Amazing, I’m especially geeking out over all the King’s Landing pics.

    Also, there appear to be straw dollies behind Jon. Could this mean what I think it does?

    It looks like it’s in the courtyard where they do the training. I would guess they’re just dummies for the recruits to practice against.

  19. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    lol kits face

  20. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    Ellaria and Oberyn look like they are about to murder someone – wonder who they are addressing.

    And it’s been almost a year, but I see Joffrey and still want to punch him. Well done, Mr. Gleeson.

  21. Kingslayer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Glad there’s a new Daario. Michael Huisman seems like he’ll be way better than Skrein. Besides, I didn’t think Skrein & Clarke had any chemistry whatsoever and I think Huisman & Clarke definitely will judging from that photo with both of them.

  22. Dutch maester
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    It’s actually 17 photo’s. The Facebook page has got another one with Daenerys-Daario and one with Jaime-Joffrey-Meryn Trant.

  23. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen:

    It looks like it’s in the courtyard where they do the training. I would guess they’re just dummies for the recruits to practice against.

    That might be all it is really, but I was thinking of when they created loads of fake soldiers to make the Watch seem more of a credible threat to the Wildlings in the first stage of the battle. It’s still too early to tell if they’ll do that of course, but given the amount of buildup required for episode 9, then they ought to focus on the little details.

  24. Dragonslayer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    A few thougths:

    1. Daenerys is probably looking down on something. Has anyone any what that might be?

    2. I like our first real look on Ellaria.

    3. Ygritte and Tormund are at very GREEN place. (probably Iceland?)

    4. Is Sansa eating a lemon cake?

    5. The new Daario is way better than the old one.

    6. Sandor & Arya found a civilized place. Farmer’s daughter incoming?

    7. I think I saw scarecrow sentinels.

  25. Ashara D
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    DORNE!!
    New Daario is too…normal. He should at least have a Fabio (no, not OUR Fabio, THE Fabio) look with longer hair. Hope he has the arrogant swagger to make the audience wonder why Dany is so smitten and why that is a baaad idea.
    Love Dany’s arrogant stance. Love Jon’s scars and (the straw defenders!).
    CAN’T WAIT!! Starting a complete re-read to pass the time…

  26. Fabio H. Bogo
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:57 pm | Permalink

    1 – Jaime went from Prince Charming to Scruffy Hobo to Handless Average Joe.
    2 – On the other hand, Arya`s hair has grown back enough that she`s starting to look like a girl again.
    3 – Big bad crimson lion Tywin Lannister has never looked so m*********ing fierce, `nuff said

  27. serum
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    I think that photo of jon is from S1 when he’s watching rast beat the shit outta sam, hahahah!

  28. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Somehow, as a book reader, I’m just slightly creeped out by the Tyrion-Sansa tender moment picture.

  29. Dragonslayer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 1:59 pm | Permalink

    Dutch maester: t’s actually 17 photo’s. The Facebook page has got another one with Daenerys-Daario and one with Jaime-Joffrey-Meryn Trant.

    Here are the missing two pictures for those who don’t have facebook:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1507956_10151951978187734_868976405_n.jpg

    https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/q71/s720x720/1507956_10151951978187734_868976405_n.jpg

  30. King Of The N. East
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:00 pm | Permalink

    Myrish Swampert,

    Read the books and you will know where Bran is

  31. Carne
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad they kept the same costume for new Daario.

  32. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Dragonslayer,

    Those are the same one

  33. Jared
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    The first real in-character looks at Ellaria Sand and the new Daario are very promising. Ellaria looks as fierce and wild as she should, and Daario appears to be both more believably charismatic and more grounded (grounded may not be the description best suited for his portrayal in the books, but I think that this approach will work better for the show). I do wonder if we’ll get an in-universe explanation for his change in appearance (it could be as simple as Dany or Jorah commenting that he cut and dyed his hair and let his beard grow out) or if they’ll just roll with it because they don’t want to draw too much attention to the recasting. I’m fine with either approach, as long as the performance works.

    Dany’s looking particularly imperious these days. So is Tywin. So is Joffrey. Wonder how that’s going to work out for the three of them?

    All three of the couples featured here (Jaime and Cersei, Tyrion and Sansa, Tyrion and Shae) seem to be hashing out some serious issues. Ah, love in Westeros … so troubled. So short. So bloody.

  34. Lord Vega
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:05 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    In A Storm of Swords there is a chapter where Jamie’s hair is described as having been “hacked short”. I guess most of the sullied missed that, I see a lot of complaints about it. The show is being pretty loyal to the book description. As for the COLOR of his hair, that’s another issue entirely…

  35. Fabio H. Bogo
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:06 pm | Permalink

    Those pictures are way too much awesomeness for a single mind to behold without melting.

    Brace yourselves, WiC.net, overexcited fandom is coming O_O

  36. Bard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Is Joffrey posing for someone? A painter maybe?

  37. Nezzer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    serum:
    I think that photo of jon is from S1 when he’s watching rast beat the shit outta sam, hahahah!

    No, look at his new scars. His hair and beard are much longer as well.

  38. Brock
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    They show every character except Bran…
    Mr. H Wright has to be the saddest actor in the show.

  39. Nick_Scryer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    First thing I noticed about the Hound and Arya pic (beside Sandor texting on his phone) is the fact that Arya has Needle and Hound doesn’t look too injured. Are they re-arranging their story a bit?

  40. Dragonslayer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:09 pm | Permalink
  41. Fabio H. Bogo
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    you were not supposed to take it seriously :P

  42. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Bard: Is Joffrey posing for someone? A painter maybe?

    Possibly? But why in the White Sword Tower if that’s the case, with so many background details to get in the way?

  43. Winter Is Coming
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    Added the 2 “bonus” Facebook pictures to the post. Sneaky HBO, real sneaky!

  44. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    No bran, meera, jojen, roose, ramsay, theon, stannis, davos, melisandre, yara, shireen, varys, littlefinger, mance and… everybody else, but cool photos.

  45. Harry Lime
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    haltwhogoesthere:
    lol kits face

    “It just dawned on me that this strategy is a bit silly…”

  46. Ashara D
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Dragonslayer:
    Lord Stannis’s Soul,

    I’m too stupid to copy and paste… That’s the second picture:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1/1235351_10151951978202734_298183332_n.jpg

    Jack Gleeson Best Actor Emmy!!! He’s awesome in the true sense of the word.
    Edit: Thanks, Winter!

  47. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Brock: They show every character except Bran…
    Mr. H Wright has to be the saddest actor in the show.

    Well, except him and Brienne. And Varys. And Bronn. And Gendry. And Littlefinger. And Theon. And Jorah. And Yara. And…

  48. King Tommen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:15 pm | Permalink

    Brock:
    They show every character except Bran…
    Mr. H Wright has to be the saddest actor in the show.

    No Stannis, Davos, Mel, Varys, Brienne, LF, Pycelle, Theon, Ramsay, Roose, Jorah, Gregor, Mace, Loras, Mance etc. etc.

    You want another picture of Bran looking at a tree? I think every other shot of him from this season will probably be a spoiler.

  49. Ashara D
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    First thing I noticed about the Hound and Arya pic (beside Sandor texting on his phone) is the fact that Arya has Needle and Hound doesn’t look too injured. Are they re-arranging their story a bit?

    Is that Needle or an errant blade of grass? Can’t tell on my pic…

  50. Jordan S.
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Looks like Huisman is going to be a good enough Daario to make everyone forget about Skrein. Hopefully. Too much to ask for a gold tooth?

    Ellaria looks like a badass…as does RV(still) . Excited to see these two.

    I am really hoping for Rev. Hound vs. FrankenMountain in TWoW, partially just because McCann does such a great job in the show I am not ready for him to be gone for good. He and Arya should be fantastic this season.

  51. Queenofthorns
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    Ok I would officially do new daario.

    Edit: btw anyone else amused at how Daario is swarthy and Jorah is fair? Exact opposite of how Dany compares them in the source material.

  52. Nick_Scryer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    That new pic with Joff, Trant and Jaime pretty much confirms it was Trant who say’s “The people love their king” in the trailer right?

    I hope it’s the scene where Jaime tells him off/golden hand slaps him for beating Sansa Stark etc… Was kinda hoping Sansa would be present to see it in the show though.

  53. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:20 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D: Is that Needle or an errant blade of grass? Can’t tell on my pic…

    Looking at the bigger version says blade of grass. Also, lol at Arya’s face.

  54. argilac's antler
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Lord Vega,

    Book: Jaimes hair was cut specifically for the journey back to kings landing, to avoid recognition on the road.
    Show: Jaimes hair is cut after arriving at kings landing.

    Its funny that I didnt see anyone mention that change pre-/during season 3, but now that his hair length is right where it should be, its throwing some folks off. :D

  55. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Is it just me or does it look like Ellaria thinks the Viper needs a shower? :grin:

  56. Nick_Scryer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Satin,

    Not in her hand sillies :P, on her belt.

  57. Patchy Face
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Now I can believe the season is really on. Thanks for posting!

  58. Ashara D
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Ohhhhhh…;)
    Good point. They must be switchin’ up the order of things. Good! Surprises for the Sullied.

  59. Jenna
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Lord Stannis’s Soul,

    I’m pretty sure that’s just the calm before the storm pic. She’ll probably say “you’re a starving child, but I have no food to give you” (if only they made this a line) in the end or something that sounds like rejection, even though Shae will see it as growing affection and get pissed all over again, this time with more permanent consequences. Or they’ll just preparing the audience for the other creepy moments involving Sansa that will follow.

  60. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Pedro Pascal – in this pic, anyway – definitely looks much more the age of the Red Viper (40ish). He has a young-looking face in other photos, but the lines here are very apparent, which is important. He looks great, as does Ellaria. As does everyone.

  61. Seriano
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I like that Ellaria is wearing some kind of snake bracelet.

  62. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Olenna, why the sour face?

  63. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    Ashara D,

    Satin,

    Not in her hand sillies :P, on her belt.

    Ohh, whoops. Well spotted!

  64. Jared
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    It appears so – we also know that Arya gets Needle back from that shot in the trailer and the Vine that showed her practicing in front of the mountains. I could see them taking the two important aspects of the events at the Inn and reworking them into separate confrontations. Arya could encounter with Polliver and reclaim Needle earlier in the season, further establishing her and the Hound as a lovably murderous duo. The two of them spend the middle part of the season traveling to the Vale and working in various villages along the way (the Hound appears to be counting coins in the photo above). Around Episode 7 or 8, there’s another confrontation … maybe it’s with Rorge in the show? … wherein the Hound is mortally wounded . Ayra then boards the ship to Braavos in the finale. That should give Arya enough to do for the season.

  65. King Tommen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    I forget exactly how it happens in the book. Does Olenna just kind of take off back to Highgarden right after the PW or does she stick around for a while? I can’t remember her interacting with anyone after that.

  66. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Tormund: Son, sit down. Your mother and I have to talk to you.

    If they come off as having affection for eachother like the way they’re holding hands there I will be mad

    Nah, she looks very uninterested in any comforting he may have to offer. She clearly just wants to be someplace else.

  67. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Jared,

    Definitely could happen. I think the actor for Rorge, Andy Beckwith, has Various Directors listed in his CV for this season, which usually means people will be in more than one episode. He could be part of the early confrontation, and come back for revenge at the end of the season. This could also set up his AFFC stuff, especially if he collides with Brienne somewhere along the way, too.

  68. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Don’t you remember? She left the day after you got married.

    But I’m really hoping they keep her around, what reason has she got to leave for Highgarden, to see Willas & Garlan, not likely.

  69. James
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Unlike pretty much everyone else (except Ashara D) I am not a big fan of the look of the new Daario, although I suspect he will be a much better actor. This guy looks too normal and frankly too old. Skrien had a lot more swagger and bravado. This of course is just going by a single picture, so I will wait and see…

    That said… the pics are amazing. Just beautiful. Oberyon is stunning, Jaime and Cersei, everything… just stunning.

  70. Nick_Scryer
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Jared,

    Cool with me as long as they make the Hound kill 25 people in the brawl first and make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that he only loses because he’s super pissed drunk. #cleganefanboy

    Seriosuly though, Can’t wait for this season :)

  71. Myrish Swampert
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Or they could just show a close shot of his face like everyone else.
    I assume they don’t start his story this season at the Cave right away right? A photo of Bran in the snow would be nice and wouldn’t be too spoilery.

  72. lysaarrynofchairs
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:41 pm | Permalink

    Wow Ellaria Sand looks amazing and fiieeerce! RV looks sexy yum.
    And Daario Naharis looks ok but i’m one of the people that loved Ed Skrein as Daario so i’m still sad about him being recast. I hope this Daario is a worthy replacement tho not quite as good looking.

  73. Siobhán
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Gorgeous photos. The image of Sansa and Tyrion looks intriguing. I wonder what’s going on in that scene. I hope that the show will be able to convey the complex, desperately awkward relationship between them. Neither of them is in a position to give the other what they need and it’s kinda heartbreaking.

  74. Grynthaline
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    If that Sansa & Tyrion scene ends up becoming a “sweet” scene between them ending with Sansa smiling at him, I’m headbutting the goddamn screen.

  75. Talisa's ghost
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    Dany looks like she needs a new wig; that cotton candy looking nest should be burned.
    Jon looks sad…that is brand new information!
    Sansa and Tyrion look too cozy for my liking, but I’ll let this one pass only because I love how Sophie and Peter act together.
    The Hound looks too healthy? He should be limping if Arya has Needle back.
    Jaime looks like he borrowed his clothes from one of Robert’s bastards. You are a Lannister, man, not a hobo. Although that new haircut is so cute.
    Red Viper looks older, but still sexy. Same goes for Tywin. Cersei is still an alcoholic and it seems like her son is posing for Leo DiCaprio. What a beautiful season this will be!

  76. Greg
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    Yes! Oberyn and Ellaria look awesome, and the new Daario looks way better.

    Would’ve liked to see some Theon or Ramsay, though.

  77. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Caption for the twincest photo:

    “But…but… my penis still works.”

    Yep. I was due.

  78. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline:
    If that Sansa & Tyrion scene ends up becoming a “sweet” scene between them ending with Sansa smiling at him, I’m headbutting the goddamn screen.

    I don’t see any reason to think that would happen – Sansa looks cold and uninterested in any comforting from Tyrion, which is exactly the kind of relationship they had in the book. She will probably say something polite that means “leave me alone” and he’ll realize that he can’t get through to her. Besides, Peter Dinklage described his relationship status this season as “I’m in love with a woman I’m not married to, and the woman I’m married to hates my whole family”.

    But they’ll also probably add a shot of Shae seeing them and misinterpreting the situation, adding to her jealousy and frustration.

  79. Mr Fixit
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Anyone notice the changed and more badass-looking Kingsguard armour?

  80. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer:
    Jared,

    Cool with me as long as they make the Hound kill 25 people in the brawl first and make it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that he only loses because he’s super pissed drunk. #cleganefanboy

    Seriosuly though, Can’t wait for this season :)

    Yep, he needs to have an emotional meltdown and get super-drunk. And they better not change the fact that he does it because he’s just heard about Sansa’s marriage.

  81. The Dragon Demands
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Ah, these dornish look so hot-blooded…

  82. Suzaku
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    Looking at those photos, I feel like Michael Huisman probably could’ve pulled off a much more book-accurate Daario without it looking cheesy at all…

    http://i.imgur.com/TLfTOvm.jpg

  83. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    In the close-up of Jaime in the trailer when he said “The war’s not won” to Joffrey, stag antlers seemed to be worked into the plating, which is a new feature. The fishscales were always there though, apparently because KL’s a port city (not because of his oath to Catelyn Tully as few have speculated).

  84. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    That’s amazing, and the lack of the forked beard certainly helps. Not that I’m really bothered, I was never a Daario fan on the show and the book didn’t change my mind about him. It’s too early to say how he’ll do of course, but I’m wondering if Huisman will give him a more “foreign” accent than Skrein’s, given his Dutch heritage.

  85. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Thoughts:

    The Sansa/Tyrion picture looks like him trying to comfort her/get on her good side and her not having it- I don’t expect them being “lovey dovey” in the slightest this season

    New Daario looks good and I’d go so far as to say that while the color scheme is different (no blue hair or gold armor), he actually looks more like book!Daario

    Oberyn and Ellaria look great, although I still wonder why he opts for yellow clothing.

    Bran was featured in the last two previews, so I don’t get the complaint about him not showing up in these photos.

    As I mentioned in previous threads, the complaints about Jaime’s hair make no sense to me- it is clearly blond in some shots (not the one hear though)- so, it’s a matter of lighting that it looks brown; also, makes sense he chopped a lot of hair off since it was presumably verminous.

  86. Grynthaline
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow: I don’t see any reason to think that would happen – Sansa looks cold and uninterested in any comforting from Tyrion, which is exactly the kind of relationship they had in the book. She will probably say something polite that means “leave me alone” and he’ll realize that he can’t get through to her. Besides, Peter Dinklage described his relationship status this season as “I’m in love with a woman I’m not married to, and the woman I’m married to hates my whole family”.

    But they’ll also probably add a shot of Shae seeing them and misinterpreting the situation, adding to her jealousy and frustration.

    Oh, they gave me a plenty of reason to doubt how they’ll hadle the relationship after what they did with them in Season 3. Somehow I can’t help but get the feeling that they will still continue with their Saint Tyrion BS. Sorry, I’m just probably angry that they chose to feature that screenshot, as if showing Tyrion comforting Sansa means anything at all (Yeah, in their mind it means “Look how good and gentle Tyrion is!”). Ugh I hate this so much.

  87. A Snake in the Sand
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Its so nice to see a still of Arya with Needle back!!!!

  88. Lord Vega
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    argilac’s antler,

    Yea, now it’s just the color lol.

  89. Scott Glennon
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    Loving Oberyn and Ellaria. They look perfect! Nina Gold, you’ve done it again!

    …..The North Remembers….

  90. Talisa's ghost
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    I agree. Just because they showed a pic that looks like something is happening between the 2 of them doesn’t mean they’ll be all lovey dovey all of the sudden. Actually promotion stills often imply the opposite of what’s gonna happen.
    Plus, it’s not like there’ll be enough time for them to start getting along. She’ll be out of there by ep 3. This is probably the only scene with them besides the breakfast and wedding feast ones (that are group scenes) and it might be similar to the dinner scene where she doesn’t like the food and he eats it out of anger.

  91. Jimmy
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I already prefer Ed Skrein

  92. Lord Vega
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Blade of grass in her hand but needle is on her hip through her belt

  93. Lord Davos
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Jimmy,

    He suck
    at acting

  94. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Speaking of small details, I spy a golden hand…

  95. Yago
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    What’s with that pin or something on Tywin? Looks a bit like LF’s bird?

  96. Siobhán
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:20 pm | Permalink

    Then again, while that scene between Tyrion and Sansa looks intriguing, what’s really interesting me is which characters may get to interact who didn’t get to interact in the books. Jaime and Brienne are there before Sansa leaves. Will they get to meet her? Will they get to press for her release?

  97. beatlefloydzeppelin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I think that Tyrion is just being kind, and Sansa looks pretty uninterested. Also they will only be together for two more episodes, so I think it is unlikely that much more will happen with this relationship.

  98. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Yes because in the three scenes we have of them together it is clearly obvious that The Hound is madly in love with Sansa and that he only defends her because he wants to bang her, as opposed to feeling a need to protect her from abuse as a way of dealing with his own abuse at the hands of his brother, which, up until your post, I thought was more apparent. I hope he whispers her name during his last dying breath. How romantic would that be?

    Give me a fucking break.

  99. spacechampion
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    I think most of these are probably from the 1st episode, maybe some from the 2nd.

  100. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Yago:
    What’s with that pin or something on Tywin? Looks a bit like LF’s bird?

    That’s the King’s Hand’s pin as worn by the Hand of the King. We’ve seen it on all Hands so far, ‘cept Jon Arryn.

  101. Patchy Face
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline,

    Looks to me like she is about to pull her hand away.

  102. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    Sansa’s body language doesn’t appear friendly to me. She’s leaning back, away from Tyrion and refusing eye contact. Seems true to book.

  103. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Annara Snow,

    Yes because in the three scenes we have of them together it is clearly obvious that The Hound is madly in love with Sansa and that he only defends her because he wants to bang her, as opposed to feeling a need to protect her from abuse as a way of dealing with his own abuse at the hands of his brother, which, up until your post, I thought was more apparent.I hope he whispers her name during his last dying breath.How romantic would that be?


    Give me a fucking break.

    I’m sorry…what?! Did I say anything about him being in love with her? You seem to agree that he wanted to protect her from abuse – but you think he would be OK with Sansa being forced to marry Tyrion (by the Lannisters, who killed half of her family) and then being raped every night, which is what Sandor assumes happened, since he didn’t actually read the books or watch the show to know that Tyrion didn’t rape her?
    But I guess you think that that’s really not a reason to get upset, unless he wants to bang her himself…

    Yeah, give me a fucking break, exactly.

  104. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Yeah. That’s it.

  105. utherwolf
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    New Daario is so much different than the old one. :S

  106. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Annara Snow,

    Yeah.That’s it.

    What is “it”?

    Is it:

    1. You believe that there’s no reason to be upset over a girl you care about getting raped, unless you really want to bang her yourself, and you’re convinced that the Hound doesn’t, so why would he give a crap about Sansa being raped, right? He killed those dudes in season 2 because he just felt like it.
    or
    2. You’re trolling?

  107. clk
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Am I the only one who thinks that Merynt Trant replacing the Kettleblacks will be horrible? I cant imagine him with Cersei and I think that they really need to cast someone to the Kettleblacks role ( and this season “She’s been fucking Lancel, Osmun Kettleblack and probably the Moon Boy for all I know” )

  108. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    clk,

    Considering that the Kingsguard on the show is basically now just “Jaime, Meryn and the other guys”, Tyrion probably need only say she’s been fucking Lancel to have any real impact. After all, they’ve only 2 episodes tops to establish that little tidbit about Kettleblack and there’s no way we’re getting Moon Boy any time soon.

  109. ACVG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Siobhán</strongl
    He'll prob just sent her out for her after the pw no biggie

  110. loco73
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Oh what a visual feast you’ve given us Winter! Cool! I like how good Prince Oberyn Martell aka the Red Viper and his paramour Elaria Sand look. Such a nice match, visually at least. My first pick for the Red Viper will always be Alexander Siddig (Siddig El-Fadil ), but I cannot argue with Nina Gold’s brilliance (and Robert Sterne) when it comes to casting, plus Pedro Pascal, just looks so bad ass in that brief glimpse of his battle scene!

    I like the new Daario, but he doesn’t look anything like the old Daario. At least with The Mountain they tried to go for some continuity …They’ll have a harder time doing that now. What the hell are they going to say…that he went to Pentos for some plastic surgery?! Anyways we will see how that plays out.

    PS Do my eyes deceive me or is Ed Skrein in “The Tunnel”?!?! Hmm maybe Stannis can castrate him…I’m still not entirely clear why he was re- cast, and by the way I did not mind old Daario in the least!

    PPS Our very own Khal Drogo aka Jason Momoa will be on a new tv show called “The Red Road”.

    Oh yeah, “True Detective” kicks some major ass! Excellent show!

  111. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    clk:
    Am I the only one who thinks that Merynt Trant replacing the Kettleblacks will be horrible? I cant imagine him with Cersei and I think that they really need to cast someone to the Kettleblacks role ( and this season “She’s beenfucking Lancel, Osmun Kettleblack and probably the Moon Boy for all I know” )

    No, you’re not the only one. I don’t see how they would use Trent in that role, without changing the entire storyline, since I can’t see Cersei sending Trent to seduce Margaery. The easiest and simplest solution would be to cast a Kettleblack character, a composite of all three brothers. Just mention that he’s been made a KG member in the meantime; we haven’t seen all the KG members anyway. And there’s a precedent for a person becoming a KG member off-screen (they didn’t show Sandor becoming a KG member in season 1).

  112. loki
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    rip bluebeard

  113. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Define care? No, I don’t think Tyrion having sex with his wife would cause the Hound to get upset and if it did, it would probably confuse the audience. 1) because we know Tyrion is honorable and hasn’t forced himself upon her,and 2) The Hound has no reason to think Tyrion would rape her against her will. If she was unwilling, well then they were married and based on the Red Wedding and frank discussion between Robb and Talisa, bedding on the night of marriage is encouraged and understood. Sansa knows her place in that role and is duty bound. I think the show has made that clear, Sansa goes with the flow as it is what is “expected” of her. She may not like it, but I would not go so far as to call it rape. What happened in the streets of King Landing was attempted rape, and I just don’t see the Hound making a correlation between that situation and a marriage to Tyrion as being the same.

  114. The Spider
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    This new Daario looks so much better for the role than season 3s blood elf. Much closer to the book version and someone that can actually replace Drogo in Danys heart

  115. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    clk,

    You’re not the only one who would be upset about this, but I don’t think that switch is going to happen. Fortunately. And since I doubt Cersei’s AFFC storyline starts before Season 5, they still have time to cast a Kettleblack who is younger and more attractive, while still smarmy. No offence to Ian Beattie.

  116. ACVG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Kind of off topic but what are the chances of seeing quentyn next (5) season? My money’s on 1:10 shot

  117. Black Fishing
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Myrish Swampert,

    I imagine Bran’s story will be very much in the background this time around, simply because he’s probably the furthest along in comparison with the books right now. If they go too far into his ADWD chapters they’d have to start adding in new material sooner than the rest of the cast. Besides maybe Theon and Dany.

  118. Jordan S.
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    So good of them to provide a shot of Sam….sitting there. Zzzzzzzzz. Then again thats about how I feel by his entire storyline.

  119. Sean C.
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    She may not like it, but I would not go so far as to call it rape.

    Not getting into the larger dispute here, but Sansa was not consenting to have sex with Tyrion. She did not want to marry him, and did so only under the threat of violence. That’s rape.

  120. We do not Hodor
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic: clk, Considering that the Kingsguard on the show is basically now just “Jaime, Meryn and the other guys”, Tyrion probably need only say she’s been fucking Lancel to have any real impact. After all, they’ve only 2 episodes tops to establish that little tidbit about Kettleblack and there’s no way we’re getting Moon Boy any time soon.

    Podrick is taking the place of Moon Boy in that equation.

  121. 709Razin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    I love the awesomeness!!

    Barista Selmy:
    The Hound is so rude, typing away on his smartphone instead of paying attention to Arya!

  122. Phil
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    how hard would it have been to dye Michiel Huisman’s beard? He looks better than original Daario but still, the guy HAS a beard, can’t be too difficult to dye it. He looks just like a regular guy. If it wasn’t news that they recast him, even having read the books I’m not sure I’d be able to figure out who he was from the photos

  123. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I am not sure about that. It seemed like she was going through the motions,unwillingly, but still duty bound, as befits her character. I think theres a slight difference, though I could be wrong.

    Furthermore, the Hound has no reason to believe that Tyrion would rape anyone. All he knows is that he pays for whores. Again, a difference there.

  124. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Phil:
    how hard would it have been to dye Michiel Huisman’s beard?He looks better than original Daario but still, the guy HAS a beard, can’t be too difficult to dye it. He looks just like a regular guy.If it wasn’t news that they recast him, even having read the books I’m not sure I’d be able to figure out who he was from the photos

    I’m fine with them not going over the top with Daario’s appearance. The way GRRM describes him is just so ridiculous and cheesy it’s hard to believe Dany (or anyone else) would be so attracted to him.
    I love GRRM’s writing but he’s clearly not an expert on what women find attractive.

  125. Turncloak
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    They should have just created a different character instead of recasting Daario. This would have been too easy :p

  126. Sean C.
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    I am not sure about that. It seemed like she was going through the motions,unwillingly, but still duty bound, as befits her character.I think theres a slight difference, though I could be wrong.

    There’s no difference. As you say, she was “unwilling”, and doing it under armed compulsion (the same compulsion that made her marry him, and is detaining her in King’s Landing). As shown by the fact that, as soon as Tyrion withdraws the threat of compulsion, she refuses to sleep with him categorically. A hostage can’t “consent” to sleep with their armed captors.

  127. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    I’ve been a proponent of the Meryn Trant-as-Kettleblack theory, but I’m fine also if it doesn’t come to pass. A composite Kettleblack works well, too, you need a two line introduction, and one scene of Cersei and him together, and that’s enough. Three of them would be ridiculous.

  128. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    In modern society you would be correct and I would totally agree. But last I checked,The Chicken Dance was tops on wedding rituals, not undressing the bride and carrying her to a bed to be deflowered. We need to change our thinking to a more feudal (as much of this opus is based on) or, even better,fantastical mindset that obscure intelligent rational 20th century woman’s rights movement ideas.

    Edit: Hypothetically, What do you supposed the High Septon would say to you if you brought your concerns to him about Sansa’s consummation and her unwillingness?

  129. Bean
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Cersei pic made me go get a glass of wine.

  130. Lord Davos
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Wished the show looked just like this.
    I am very optimistic for the directing this season anyway.

  131. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Sean C.,
    In modern society you would be correct and I would totally agree.But last I checked,The Chicken Dance was tops on wedding rituals, not undressing the bride and carrying her to a bed to be deflowered.We need to change our thinking to a more feudal (as much of this opus is based on) or, even better,fantastical mindset that obscure intelligent rational 20th century woman’s rights movement ideas.

    Yeah! That’s the ticket! I’m sure we’ll get a ruling on that by the High Septon/Sparrow soon, even though the Supreme Court refused to take that case. Oh, am I confusing fictional Westeros and reality again? Sorry!

    In all show truthfulness, the Hound has his bargaining chip (Arya) and his survival is utmost through the riverlands and maybe to the Vale entrance. That’s all he’s thinking about. Plus, I think he rather enjoys Arya’s company in the show. He ain’t dwelling on and longing for Sansa in the show, that’s for sure.

  132. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: I’m fine with them not going over the top with Daario’s appearance.The way GRRM describes him is just so ridiculous and cheesy it’s hard to believe Dany (or anyone else) would be so attracted to him.
    I love GRRM’s writing but he’s clearly not an expert on what women find attractive.

    I read somewhere that he was probably trying to emulate Jack Sparrow with Daario. Jack, of course, was both ridiculously looking and extremely attractive – because he was played by Johnny Depp, who has buckets of charisma, and rightly guessed that as a pirate, you can’t take yourself too seriously and need maximum swagger. That’s simply impossible to emulate on a page. Same with Oberyn and Dorkstar: GRRM accidentally created a colourful bad boy character who was a fan favourite, but he couldn’t repeat that when trying it on purpose.

  133. Ours is the Fury
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    A blue beard would’ve looked cartoonish, or wound up looking simply dark/black in the light anyway, depending on the shade they chose. I’m glad they didn’t go for it.

    Michiel Huisman is sexy as hell. I didn’t have anything against Ed Skrein, but I do think Huisman is a better actor so I’m excited.

    Ellaria looks fierce. So stoked to see everyone back!!

  134. Omar Brown
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    There is so many jumping to conclusions here it should be a goddamn Olympic event.

  135. Ned Lover
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    loco73:

    PS Do my eyes deceive me or is Ed Skrein in “The Tunnel”?!?!

    Nope! He’s in the show! (scroll down the casting list)……

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2711738/fullcredits?ref_=tt_cl_sm#cast

  136. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Annara Snow,

    Define care?No, I don’t think Tyrion having sex with his wife would cause the Hound to get upset and if it did, it would probably confuse the audience. 1) because we know Tyrion is honorable and hasn’t forced himself upon her,and 2) The Hound has no reason to think Tyrion would rape her against her will. If she was unwilling, well then they were married and based on the Red Wedding and frank discussion between Robb and Talisa, bedding on the night of marriage is encouraged and understood.Sansa knows her place in that role and is duty bound.I think the show has made that clear, Sansa goes with the flow as it is what is “expected” of her. She may not like it, but I would not go so far as to call it rape.What happened in the streets of King Landing was attempted rape, and I just don’t see the Hound making a correlation between that situation and a marriage to Tyrion as being the same.

    Please tell me you’re joking. Marital rape may not be something that the laws of Westeros recognize, but that doesn’t mean that people are OK with it. Jamie was upset when Aerys was raping Rhaella, and it’s not because he was particularly close to queen Rhaella.

    Sansa was not “duty bound”, she didn’t feel any “duty” to the Lannisters; she was bound by being a hostage whose life is threatened and who is coerced into a marriage she doesn’t want. It was a forced marriage, and if Tyrion had gone through with the consummation, it would have been rape.

    The Hound has every reason to think that Tyrion would rape Sansa, and no reason to think otherwise. As would most people. The idea that he would assume Sansa chose to marry Tyrion is preposterous. Everyone in Westeros (not to mention someone who was in KL and knows Sansa’s status there) knows that Sansa is a hostage and that the Lannisters can force her to marry whoever they chose. She hated Joffrey and wanted to kill him, but she still couldn’t get out of her betrothal and, if not for the Tyrell alliance, would be forced to marry him eventually. Even if someone was foolish enough to think that she would want to marry a pretty Lannister, nobody would think she would choose to marry a dwarf who is also a Lannister. The marriage was a blatant attempt to use her claim and steal her family’s lands, after Robb is defeated and killed (or, as it turned out, simply murdered at a wedding). Tywin demanded consummation, because he was aware that a non-consummated marriage could be annulled; and if Tyrion gets a child from her, even better, they wouldn’t even need Sansa anymore, they would have a Lannister heir to Winterfell. Sandor is not stupid and he would know how these things work. In the book, Arya was stunned by the news of Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion and thought that it made no sense, because Sansa wouldn’t want to marry ‘the Imp’. Arya was still too young and naive to know how the game of thrones works. But show!Arya is two years older and could understand what was going on.

    And you seem to be confusing what the audience knows with what other characters know. They are not in Tyrion’s head and they don’t know what he would or wouldn’t do. Tyrion is not known as a super-honorable guy. On the contrary, he has a pretty bad reputation and people are ready to assume the worst about him, in large part because of his disability and the prejudice that goes along with it. Which is a big plot point in the upcoming trial, where all the good things Tyrion ever did are shown in a bad light, and he’s portrayed as a power-hungry, ruthless, devious monster.

    In addition, we already know that Sandor dislikes Tyrion, and the show has emphasized that a few times. “This one doesn’t like me”. “I didn’t do it for you”. “Eat shit, dwarf”. He definitely doesn’t have a good opinion of Tyrion, and wouldn’t expect him to be nice and refuse to rape a beautiful young girl like Sansa and secure his hold on her claim to Winterfell.

  137. KG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Bui Huu Duyet,

    Bad things :( Sad, isn’t it?

  138. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Sean C.,

    In modern society you would be correct and I would totally agree.But last I checked,The Chicken Dance was tops on wedding rituals, not undressing the bride and carrying her to a bed to be deflowered.We need to change our thinking to a more feudal (as much of this opus is based on) or, even better,fantastical mindset that obscure intelligent rational 20th century woman’s rights movement ideas.

    Edit: Hypothetically, What do you supposed the High Septon would say to you if you brought your concerns to him about Sansa’s consummation and her unwillingness?

    It depends on whether the High Septon was in league with the Lannisters or not. Since the current HS is, he would find it totally legal, no doubt about it. Law in Westeros is just something that the powerful use in any way that suits them.

    What did Rodrik Cassel etc. do when Ramsey kidnapped, forcefully married, raped (“consummated the marriage”) and let Lady Hornwood starve? They hunted him down and killed him (i.e. killed who they thought was Ramsey).

    Someone who cares about a girl would definitely be upset about her being married against her will and raped, regardless of whether he has a feudal or 21st century beliefs.

    And no, we don’t need to have a more feudal and sexist mindset, thank you.

  139. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Not sure. More book talk from you as I don’t remember Rodrik hunting Boltons in the show.

  140. Al Swearengen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Indira Varma looks awesome as Ellaria. Jaime looks hot with his new hair and hand.

    BTW is it just me or has Sophie developed some Elf ears? looks like she’s been hanging around the set of There and Back Again.

  141. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:06 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    I said you were sexy, not sexist.

  142. KG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    Oh I know it’s shaved completely off in the books, it just does not look that great on his facial structure, and I sincerely hope for my personal man-candy quota that it grows out more as time passes.

    But there is absolutely no excuse for it to be left dark. They didn’t even try, and that’s pretty insulting.

    Lord Vega: as the performance works.

    Dany’s looking particularly imperious these days. So is Tywin. So is Joffrey. Wonder how that’s going to work out for the three of them?

    All three of the couples featured here (Jaime and Cersei, Tyrion and San

  143. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Omar Brown:
    There is so many jumping to conclusions here it should be a goddamn Olympic event.

    “It was a “Jump to Conclusions” mat. You see, it would be this mat that you would put on the floor… and would have different CONCLUSIONS written on it that you could JUMP TO.”

    ” That’s the worst idea I’ve ever heard in my life.”

    “Yes, this is horrible, this idea.”

  144. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    For the last time, he clearly has blond hair, as can be seen in several of the pictures on the WIC Tumblr. Wherever it looks brown, it is because of the lighting in the scene/picture.

    And @Rygar- to the extent your comments deserve a serious response, even in Westeros, there is a difference between consummation of marriage expected of an arranged marriage, and consummation expected of a marriage forced at swordpoint- Westerosi aren’t cool with the latter (and yeah, as noted, the Hound hates Tyrion’s guts).

  145. Flora
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    It’s just you.

  146. King Tommen
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    If you want pretty funny descriptions of all the pictures that will make you chuckle, look no further:

    http://www.avclub.com/article/lets-look-at-new-photos-from-game-of-thrones-fourt-107406

  147. Maxwell James
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    Still think it’s bizarre that they couldn’t persuade Huisman to shave and wear a wig, but whatever.

  148. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Annara Snow,

    Not sure.More book talk from you as I don’t remember Rodrik hunting Boltons in the show.

    Yes, that’s from the book. But I’m not sure why that disqualifies it as an argument, unless you’re arguing that the show shows a world where people have more feudal and sexist views than in the book (despite the show so often going in the other direction and having far-too-modern characters like Talisa) and that the show will show every character as perfectly fine with forced marriages and marital rape, even when it happens to someone they care about.

    By your logic, the Hound shouldn’t have been bothered by Joffrey abusing Sansa, either. He’s the king, she’s a hostage, so he can do whatever he wants, right?

  149. Mursk
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Oberyn and Ellaria look like the Queen of Thorns just declared them a couple of smelly cheese merchants. Be interesting to see who they are talking to in that shot.

  150. Ozymandias
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m in love with Oberyn and Ellaria. That look on her face damn…

    New Daario is better than the old one. And I’m sure his acting will be no different.

    Dany looks more confident and sexy. Emilia is a natural beauty, thank god they didn’t choose Tamzin Merchant at the very last moment, Emilia is perfect as Daenerys at least for me. Yeah I’m still saying that four years later…

    Jack Gleeson gives us a perfect Joffrey face once again.

    Charles Dance is the FREAKING MAN. I mean he’s going to own that season AGAIN.
    And the rest is great as always.

    Man…February 9 can’t come soon enough !

  151. KG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Oh sorry. I didn’t realize I was ruining your life. But now that I know how much it annoys you …

    Dammit, why is his hair so dark? Did the make-up and hair team run out of peroxide money??

  152. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Eh, I was mostly pissed at Rygar’s comments. Shouldn’t have been so hostile in my comments. Sorry.

    But basically, as I and others have noted in previous threads, the reason his hair is so dark is “lighting”.

    Like this picture is pretty well lit and gives some indication of his blond hair- http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/73797330766

    This one also gives a pretty good indication- http://wicnet.tumblr.com/image/74687392678 (too bad about the unfortunate facial expression).

    I also think this collage is interesting- http://wicnet.tumblr.com/post/74899591264/enjolass-how-can-such-a-night-be-beautiful-why- not only does it indicate that his hair is blond this season, but you can see how even during the first season, his hair could look pretty dark in certain scenes.

  153. cosca
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    It’s pretty insulting that they left his hair dark? Christ, get over it. It’s just hair.

  154. facelessarya
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    But the Hound was in fact upset about Sansa marrying Tyrion. He believed Tyrion capable of doing Sansa damage regardless of whether it was rape. I recall a certain line that he barks at Arya when he’s practically begging her to kill him in the Saltpans:

    “And the little bird, your pretty sister, I stood there in my white cloak and let them beat her. I took the bloody song, she never gave it. I meant to take her too. I should have. I should have fucked her bloody and ripped her heart out before leaving her for that dwarf.”

    He regrets leaving KL and abandoning Sansa. Whether or not it was “love” or anything other than lust remains to be seen. But you can’t argue Sandor wasn’t majorly upset.

    PS: And btw I find your deeming Tyrion as “honorable” for not raping Sansa despite not receiving her consent as he fondled her laughable. You need to check your characters again, sir, and decide what “honorable” really means.

  155. facelessarya
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    This response (and the ones previous) makes me feel giddy. Like I’m at summer camp. Holding hands around a camp fire, roasting marshmellows, bashing Rygar, singing songs…

  156. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:09 pm | Permalink

    facelessarya:
    Rygar,
    But the Hound was in fact upset about Sansa marrying Tyrion. He believed Tyrion capable of doing Sansa damage regardless of whether it was rape. I recall a certain line that he barks at Arya when he’s practically begging her to kill him in the Saltpans:

    “And the little bird, your pretty sister, I stood there in my white cloak and let them beat her. I took the bloody song, she never gave it. I meant to take her too. I should have. I should have fucked her bloody and ripped her heart out before leaving her for that dwarf.”

    He regrets leaving KL and abandoning Sansa. Whether or not it was “love” or anything other than lust remains to be seen. But you can’t argue Sandor wasn’t majorly upset.

    First, I think Rygar is strictly discussing show stuff…to mix and match the books & show is dangerous regarding SanSan.

    Second, I read that passage completely differently than you. Sandor was in pain and wanted to die then and there BUT he also wanted to give Arya the tools and incentive she needed to continue on. He wanted to make her angry and have her use Needle and make an end of it. Even though it was easy for him to say those vulgar words about Sansa, there was no chance Sandor actually meant them. Let’s give Sandor some credit here. He knew exactly what he was doing and wanted Arya either to get away from him in his pathetic state or wanted her to end it quickly for him…..and it worked. He got what he wanted. That’s how I read it and how I believe it.

    Book/show Sandor may eventually cross paths with his brother and Sansa & Tyrion, but for that scene, he just wanted to be alone. His overall life sort of sucked.

  157. GeekFurious
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    But there is absolutely no excuse for it to be left dark. They didn’t even try, and that’s pretty insulting.

    To unstable people.

  158. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    I just don’t see how anyone can deduce that the Hound would think that Tyrion is going to rape Sansa based on the scenes we have seen them in and that he would get that upset over it. At first, I thought you meant that the Hound would be upset over hearing that they were married because he had feelings for her. You corrected me by saying that you meant that he is concerned that she would be raped. I don’t understand how you would think that? I am pretty sure that there is no love lost between the Hound and Tyrion, but Tyrion has defended Sansa in front of the Hound and even thanked him for saving her from the mob. In a way, Tyrion and the Hound have shown the same protective feelings for her.

    Now if you mean hes upset because she will be raped as in consummate the marriage against her will, then I see that The Hound may think that as I am pretty sure no woman of noble birth would be happy to take Tyrion and his debauched reputation to bed, so in essence, it would be considered a rape. But again, that’s speculative,as I am not sure we would know the Hounds true thoughts from what we have been shown. Even if he was mad, why would that drive him to drink unless he had a deeper devotion toward her. The Hound seems to be a realist, not a dream weaver. So we are back to square one.

    *puts on some more popcorn for the spectators*

    I think we beat the rape issue to death like a battered husband. Make up sex?

  159. Grynthaline
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow:

    By your logic, the Hound shouldn’t have been bothered by Joffrey abusing Sansa, either. He’s the king, she’s a hostage, so he can do whatever he wants, right?

    Damn good argument, I applaud you Ser or Lady. I’m just sick of this “21st century mind” or whatever else they make up for their lack of moral relevance.

    Was Ned’s beheading just? Is there anything just or noble about Lannisters sitting upon the throne? No? Then any blessing that comes from people in league with them (e.g. The High Septon, duh) is morally unjust and corrupted.

    Thus, people arguing Sansa couldn’t have been raped are doing what exactly the show did, Tyrion whitewashing. It makes my blood boil whenever I think of what happened to Sansa in King’s Landing and it makes me double rage that the show shit on her on that part. I am this defensive because of the usual flack Sansa gets from most fansites that I see, I am very defensive about her.

  160. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:40 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: First, I think Rygar is strictly discussing show stuff…to mix and match the books & show is dangerous regarding SanSan.

    Second, I read that passage completely differently than you. Sandor was in pain and wanted to die then and there BUT he also wanted to give Arya the tools and incentive she needed to continue on. He wanted to make her angry and have her use Needle and make an end of it. Even though it was easy for him to say those vulgar words about Sansa, there was no chance Sandor actually meant them. Let’s give Sandor some credit here. He knew exactly what he was doing and wanted Arya either to get away from him in his pathetic state or wanted her to end it quickly for him…..and it worked. He got what he wanted. That’s how I read it and how I believe it.

    Book/show Sandor may eventually cross paths with his brother and Sansa & Tyrion, but for that scene, he just wanted to be alone. His overall life sort of sucked.

    I took his words as regret for failing to protect Sansa -that he stood there in his white cloak and “let them beat her”, and that he left her to the Lannisters. I didn’t think he literally meant that he should have “fucked her bloody” and murdered her, but that he was basically saying “it would’ve been better even if I [horrible things he could have done] than what I did – leaving her to Tyrion to marry her and rape her”. It’s vulgar and over-dramatic and conflicted, because that’s the way he talks, especially when he’s over-emotional.

    No doubt, they won’t do that exact speech in the show. But I think they should show him upset and regretful about his failures and the way his life has gone, and also baiting Arya by going on about how awful he is, the bad things he did and the things he failed to do.

    And being upset should remain the reason why he gets do drunk and gets severely wounded; if he weren’t very drunk, those dudes wouldn’t have a chance against one of the most fearsome warriors in Westeros, and he wouldn’t just be getting drunk for the lulz. He hasn’t been getting drunk like that since he’s been travelling with Arya.

  161. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink
  162. Mariya Martell
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Mursk: Oberyn and Ellaria look like the Queen of Thorns just declared them a couple of smelly cheese merchants. Be interesting to see who they are talking to in that shot.

    Or maybe she called Ellaria “the serpent’s whore” :P

  163. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline,

    Its like arranged marriages. They are not just, but accepted in the society in which the are practiced. It is pretty clear that in Westeros the noble houses marry for title and lands and wealth. Sometimes you’re dealt a lucky hand (Edmure), sometimes not (Sansa). Is it safe to say that all the “nots” would be unwilling in their first night together? So we can deduce from that: all sex with noble marriages in Westeros to unwilling couples is rape.
    How on Middle Earth did kingdoms survive without all the Just rising up to revolt?

    Got it. Finally.

  164. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Too much Clarke as always. Wheres team dragonstone, bran, yara, theon. So annoying Clarke gets all the attention, she great but i want the others as well.

  165. Zeus
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Have you seen some of the doofus looking pop stars teenage girls like? Dany is a dumb teenage girl in the books.

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: I’m fine with them not going over the top with Daario’s appearance.The way GRRM describes him is just so ridiculous and cheesy it’s hard to believe Dany (or anyone else) would be so attracted to him.
    I love GRRM’s writing but he’s clearly not an expert on what women find attractive.

  166. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow:
    No doubt, they won’t do that exact speech in the show. But I think they should show him upset and regretful about his failures and the way his life has gone, and also baiting Arya by going on about how awful he is, the bad things he did and the things he failed to do.

    And being upset should remain the reason why he gets do drunk and gets severely wounded; if he weren’t very drunk, those dudes wouldn’t have a chance against one of the most fearsome warriors in Westeros, and he wouldn’t just be getting drunk for the lulz. He hasn’t been getting drunk like that since he’s been travelling with Arya.

    I’m surprised that no one has brought up the other reasons for his being upset and drinking heavily, including his building rage toward his brother and that he has basically lost his bargaining chip (possible source of income) with Arya because of the RW. Lots of factors contribute to his rage, including past abuse and feeling helpless as the Lannister dog, but without us getting a chance to get inside his head, we can’t be sure. All we do know is that he took his song from his little bird (who he saved three times from violence/abuse) and then left.

    He’s a fuckin’ romantic, that Sandor!

    (This debate will never end. I think it is classic GRRM-manipulated dubious scenario, intentionally inviting conflict)

  167. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Aside from the rape discussion, what happens to Sansa isn’t really a typical arranged marriage though.

    Sansa’s situation is to arranged marriage as Theon’s situation with the Starks is to fostering.

    It looks the same from the outside, but unlike the usual run of things, Sansa/Theon are there as prisoners and have a death threat hanging over them.

    The Lannisters sort of pretend like Sansa is in a typical arranged marriage (since Sansa’s father is dead, Joffrey gives her away), but no one really buys it.

  168. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,
    Sort of like the Myrcella deal too, right?

  169. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I must have missed it when Tywin said to Sansa “blow my son, or die”.

    And also, in between his tears, Theon confiding to Ramsay that his REAL father was beheaded but that he was also a son of a bitch for threatening his life.

  170. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    “Wildlings Ygritte and Tormund continue their own mission of revenge against their betrayer, Jon Snow. “You know nothing Jon Snuuuuuuuuuhhhhh,” Ygritte cries, choking to death on her own strangled vowel sounds. A panicked Tormund swallows his beard.”

    Literally the best thing I’ve ever read

    Annara Snow,

    Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well done. And just for a lil bit of perspective, it’s not really feasible to say that marital rape was acceptable at the time just because there were no laws against it, because it only became illegal in 1991. It would still be outrageous in 1989. That’s not going to change just because of a feudal economic system, especially when the show is renowned for it’s strong female characters.

    PS saying that Jaime is blonde because he has blonde tones in certain light is such bullshit. I have chocolate brown hair, in dull light it’s black, if you shine a light on it it’ll be coppery. Doesn’t mean I’m ginger, just like Jaime and Tyrion are definitely not blonde.

  171. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Myrcella? I don’t think so? Wasn’t she sent to Dorne as part of a legit arranged marriage deal between the Lannisters and Martels? Well, later on, Myrcella does become more of a prisoner and Doran may or may not plan to murder her, but at least in terms of stated intentions, that was a normal arranged marriag.

  172. Zeus
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    As to Kettleblack, , It seems only 6 Kingsguard are only ever mentioned at this time on the show. I don’t believe that they replaced Mandon Moore yet.

  173. TimeforTravel
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Is it possible the Daario recast and face change could have an explanation in the show? Maybe they’ll say Daario is one of these faceless men?

  174. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Is everyone sick of serious Rygar? I know I am.

  175. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    She was sent off against her will to her family’s mortal enemy and would be forced to submit to their will unless she wanted to die out in the Dornish desert with only a certain Oakheart for protection. Luckily for her Trystane and Arianne are lovely, lucky for Theon Ned Stark was lovely. Sansa wasn’t so lucky. I’d say Jeyne Poole is a better comparison, and Edmure now he’s a prisoner.

    Zeus,

    Meryn Trant, Boros Blount, and Jaime are all that remain though. Mandon gone, The Hound and Selmy m.i.a. We could easily get a Kettleblack and an Oakheart name dropped

  176. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Are you trolling? (don’t answer that)

    Typical arranged marriage- the parents (well, fathers) of both families arrange a marriage between their children, usually for some kind of alliance reason.

    Sansa’s marriage- she is a prisoner in Kings Landing ever since her father was executed for treason and her in-laws are waging war against her family. She was made to agree to marry Tyrion at swordpoint.

    Theon in the show realizes that Ned was a better father than Balon/gets Stockholm Syndrome, but still, he was a prisoner kept by the Starks to grantee good behavior by Balon. That’s a quite different situation than say Jon Aryn fostering young Ned and Robert.

  177. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    People keep saying Jaime has blond hair because he does (and so do Tyrion and Cersei).

    Is it as blond as Brienne’s hair?- Obviously no, but it is definitely blond (“dirty blond”), probably because none of the Lannister actors actually have blond hair (Cersei’s hair is the blondest because her actress is wearing a wig).

  178. Greenjones
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Just got home. My thoughts:

    1.Indira (or Niobe to me) looks great and pissed off about something.

    2. New Daario’s hair isn’t that much darker than his predecessor, so I buy the switcheroo. Same costume too.

    3. Arya has Needle back and the Hound is decidedly un-wounded, so that means a definite change in the timeline.

  179. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont: Couldn’t have said it better myself. Well done. And just for a lil bit of perspective, it’s not really feasible to say that marital rape was acceptable at the time just because there were no laws against it, because it only became illegal in 1991. It would still be outrageous in 1989. That’s not going to change just because of a feudal economic system, especially when the show is renowned for it’s strong female characters.

    Just to play Devil’s Advocate….

    Let’s say I wrote a fictional novel in which Adam and Eve and Steve didn’t bite the apple and hence were never ashamed of their nakedness and alternative behavior. As time progressed, it was naturally acceptable to be naked in the neighborhood and at work and fuck and marry whoever you wanted, including siblings. What would the laws of the land be, given that scenario? What would morality and ethics be like?

    Folks should always respect the basic tenet of science fiction and fantasy. Anything goes, right?

    Oh…and thx for the response to Jordan regarding Myrcella. I believe there are many similarities with the Lannister-Martell hostage/treatise situation that will play out later.

  180. tysnow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Ellaria looks so fierce

    We are on the same page, her eyes look as though they are burning through to someone’s soul. Well done Ms. Varma, and you are also stunning while dressing down the person.

  181. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:33 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    That was just me being snarky. Apologies. You make sense.

  182. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I think Nikolaj’s hair is actually dark blonde (dirty blonde, whatever). Mine is somewhere between dark blonde and light brown, and it’s darker than his. (At least as far as I can tell from pictures, never having seen the man in the flesh.)

    But yeah, the only Lannister actors who really have light blonde hair are the kids… and Charles Dance, although he used to be almost red I believe.

    …Why are we talking hair colours again?

  183. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Well if Adam and Eve and Steve felt no shame and no bad consequences for their actions, they’d all be classified as sociopaths. This could be a social norm if their offspring were then affectionless sociopaths with no guilt, shame, morals or humanity.

    That is a possible fictional scenario… but Westeros is a place where although affectionless sociopaths exist (Joffrey, Ramsay) it is still a society made up of humans with human characteristics that reflects our own despite it’s fictional status

  184. tysnow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    Interestingly a big change from the books, concerning that Arya/Hound pic to be more precise.
    Arya has needle and they are leaving the inn, with the Hound uninjured, hmmm…wonder if they journey to Bravos

  185. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:43 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Yeah, that’s how I see it. Jaime and Tyrion have dirty blond hair as does Cersei, although hers is a bit blonder.

    Basically, the Lannisters who look the most blond are (surprise!) the ones whose actors have blond hair in real life (or in Cersei’s case, are wearing a wig).

    Looking at the recent images- Joffrey’s hair looks pretty dark in that pic with the Kingsguard (granted, he’s in shadows), and while Tyrion doesn’t look like he has blond hair in the scene with Sansa, he does in the scene with Shae.

    So, I”m basically thinking that either it is a lighting issue and/or the actors aren’t consistently using the same amount of dye.

  186. Satin
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    Interestingly a big change from the books, concerning that Arya/Hound pic to be more precise.
    Arya has needle and they are leaving the inn, with the Hound uninjured, hmmm…wonder if they journey to Bravos

    I don’t think so. Arya needs to be completely on her own to continue on her downward spiral to (possibly?) emotionless faceless woman, and the Hound needs to find religion/redemption.

  187. GG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    The photoshop on their faces is atrocious :O

  188. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:49 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Do you also think Margaery’s blonde? because in the photos above, she looks blonder than Tyrion and Jaime.

    Not that there should be any need to get technical over this because 1) it’s fucking hair and 2) uhhhh but I’d classify Tyrion as Medium Ash Brown and Jaime as Light Brownish Blonde. It can work for Jaime if they just do what they did in season 1 and put him in the right lighting all the time.
    If you watch 3×05, they do this magnificent yellow lighting in the Lannister scenes that makes Cersei and even Tywin look bright golden. Tyrion is still brown, in the yellowest lighting. He’s not even close.

  189. Greenjones
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:50 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    My thinking is that they split the fight in two. The guy who plays Rorge is credited as appearing more than once this season on his CV. Also there’s a stunt double for Andy Kellegher who plays Polliver credited for ep. 1 on imdb (which is too specific info. to have been fan-edited before someone interjects with that). Also the Innkeeper’s Daughter is in ep. 1. This leads me to surmise that she’ll get Needle back in ep. 1 and the Hound will kill or at least knock out Polliver (as we see in the trailer) and that this will piss off Rorge and co. Then later in the season, AryaHound will run into to those nasty boys again after they’ve went to the Vale and then back. This second confrontation would end like the book one.

  190. tysnow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    Grynthaline,

    Book fans need to remember, show Tyrion is more lovable than book Imp, by a long shot. So expect some more changes…period.

  191. Greenjones
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I believe Natalie’s wig has gotten lighter every season. Nikolaj never dyed his hair. Peter’s hair has been the same colour since season 2.

  192. House Mormont
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I’m praying the changes end this season so his dark Essos descent seems more shocking in a Heisenberg way. If they alter that just to make the Dink look good then I’m done.

  193. GhostCR
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Ha, ha…really good, thanks!

  194. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Lord Stannis’s Soul:
    Get the beard right.

    Unsullied….oh what could have been! Thx, LSS!

  195. Annara Snow
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:16 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: I’m surprised that no one has brought up the other reasons for his being upset and drinking heavily, including his building rage toward his brother and that he has basically lost his bargaining chip (possible source of income) with Arya because of the RW. Lots of factors contribute to his rage, including past abuse and feeling helpless as the Lannister dog, but without us getting a chance to get inside his head, we can’t be sure. All we do know is that he took his song from his little bird (who he saved three times from violence/abuse) and then left.

    He’s a fuckin’ romantic, that Sandor!

    (This debate will never end. I think it is classic GRRM-manipulated dubious scenario, intentionally inviting conflict)

    All those reasons existed before. It’s not like he suddenly learned all of this in that inn and got drunk. The ambiguity may be about the nature of his feelings for Sansa, and a lot of other things, but not about this being the direct reason why he swallows half the flagon of wine.
    Regarding the RW, in the books it’s shown he was angrier after it happened than he had been before, but it manifested in him not talking much (unlike in the show, where he never talks much) and being in a particularly bad mood, but not in drinking (the last time he got really drunk was before he found Arya, when he ended up being caught by the BwB). But afterwards, he seemed pretty content to work as a field hand in that village (probably the first time he’s ever been offered a job that doesn’t involve killing and intimidating people) until he was told he had to leave, and learned that he can’t get away from his reputation. (All the more reason to hide at the Quiet Isle, one of the few places where he can be anonymous.) The remark that “he lost his stomach for fighting” probably made him additionally angry. But it immediately after he hears the news of Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion that he drowns all that wine.

  196. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Zeus:
    Have you seen some of the doofus looking pop stars teenage girls like? Dany is a dumb teenage girl in the books.

    Considering Justin Beiber and his diaper pants, you have a fair point. The show is meant for adults though, and I like the way Huisman looks as Daario. Him + Pedro Pascal are making up for the loss of Richard Madden in the hot men department.

  197. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Is everyone sick of serious Rygar?I know I am.

    Get back to penis jokes. It what you do best!

  198. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    tysnow,

    I’m praying the changes end this season so his dark Essos descent seems more shocking in a Heisenberg way. If they alter that just to make the Dink look good then I’m done.

    There seems to be a big crossover between GoT and BB fans. I believe that viewers will enjoy a darker Tyrion just as much as they enjoyed Heisenberg. Hopefully D&D understand that.

  199. Rygar
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:03 pm | Permalink

    facelessarya:
    Rygar,

    But the Hound was in fact upset about Sansa marrying Tyrion. He believed Tyrion capable of doing Sansa damage regardless of whether it was rape. I recall a certain line that he barks at Arya when he’s practically begging her to kill him in the Saltpans:


    “And the little bird, your pretty sister, I stood there in my white cloak and let them beat her. I took the bloody song, she never gave it. I meant to take her too. I should have. I should have fucked her bloody and ripped her heart out before leaving her for that dwarf.”

    He regrets leaving KL and abandoning Sansa. Whether or not it was “love” or anything other than lust remains to be seen. But you can’t argue Sandor wasn’t majorly upset.

    PS: And btw I find your deeming Tyrion as “honorable” for not raping Sansa despite not receiving her consent as he fondled her laughable. You need to check your characters again, sir, and decide what “honorable” really means.

    Not sure how I missed this but First, thank you for the S’mores, Second, I am basing this on the show, not book, and Third, to clarify, I didn’t say he was honorable for not raping her. I said he is honorable in general. Surely more so than many other characters portrayed in the show. And being honorable does not mean you have to be chaste. Men are visual creatures. They love tits. They love the thought of seeing them naked and touching them and motor boating them.

    Its the bane of the penis. (For treehugger).

  200. bwayne
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    Jaime’s new prosthetic is not what I was expecting. It looks like a raggedy stuffed glove from that angle. Maybe it’s transitional or I need to see it up close and in better lighting.

  201. Boojam
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Ian Beattie!
    That poor guy has been in 4 seasons now , as a total back ground character.
    Got to be a record.

  202. Jordan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:28 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Greenjones,

    Hmm, well I’m definitely confused, as I thought Nicolaj did dye his hair.

    Margaery definitely has pretty light hair in some scenes- overall, it seems like a light, slightly reddish brown with blonde streaks. Seems believable to me that she’s the sister of the blonder Loras.

    As far as the Lannisters go, if you’re asking if the hair coloring is faithful to the book across the board, then probably not (even ignoring Tyrion). However, if you’re asking “does every Lannister have blondish hair and one can believe they are members of the same family”, then I”d say yes.

  203. Mike
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    I’m just speechless at how many people think this new Daario is better than the previous one. Skrein looked and acted the part perfectly – this new guy just isn’t pretty enough… I mean – she’s a little girl – she was attracted to his looks and his cocky self-confidence. This new guy looks like he’d be hanging out around the corner at a cinema, wearing a trench-coat and trying to pick up little girls with a piece of candy…
    I’m sooooo disappointed….

  204. Greenjones
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:40 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jaime_Lannister?file=Jaime_%2526amp%253B_Jon.jpg

    This is a season 1 still. I think in season 1 more of an effort was made to light it to look blonde. In seasons 2 and 3 he was in a lot more darkly lit scenes anyhow, locked up and whatnot.

  205. growingstrong
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I think it’s the lighting/sunlight…this photo seems to be the scene between Marg, Olenna, and Brienne that was posted on WiC as a “behind the scenes” news piece a few months back. Marg looked pretty brunette (at least to me) in those photos.

  206. AGotFan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    This season is by far the best season of the series. Every episode is eventful and there was nevera dull episode. Although episode 1 was kind of slow but from 2-10 it was a wild roller coaster ride. Based from what i have been readin in the comments here, i think a lot of people will be shocked on how different the events will be, particularly the red viper’s storyline and the mountain.

  207. Don't care
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 9:59 pm | Permalink

    Give Huisman a clean shave and a silver wig and I think he could look the part of Rhaegar. I liked Skrein as Daario because he oozed douchebag like the book counterpart. Huisman looks too… normal to play Daario.

  208. Phil
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Still so glad they totally nailed the Dornish look (in terms of ethnicity). Also I’m glad they just made new Daario look completely new. Face-wise the actor actually looks a lot like how i pictured Daario, just minus the blue hair

  209. Mike
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    AGotFan,

    I thought we were talking about the upcoming season – not any previous, already seen season – have you seen something the rest of us don’t have access to?

  210. Jaqen is Q
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    AGotFan,

    It hasn’t even aired yet and you’re already describing the episodes?

  211. Josla
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:38 pm | Permalink

    Great pics!!! But for God’s sake Daenerys, change those clothes already. They’re starting to smell pretty nasty

  212. Arthur
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:50 pm | Permalink

    WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS!!!!!!

    Red Viper (check)
    The Mountain (check)

    The only variable left to see are how the damn dragons are going to look and sound…

    Is Drogon going to be scary looking now and as big as a horse?

    I can’t freaking wait to see these damn dragons…

    Last season when they released the sneak peek of Drogon fishing and frying that fish I was awestruck and dumbfounded on how amazing he looked…

    If the CGI company shows how these dragons have grown and become, yet again, more mature with the same detail and authenticy as season 3… I will be amazed yet again…..

    PS. I really hope their dragon crys become more deep and scary, they aren’t babies anymore. I hope they slow down that dragon cry sound effect and deepen it…

  213. Greenjones
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink
  214. Giantsbabe
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    The one of Tyrion and Sansa is definitely my favourite.

    I am really digging those scarecrow sentinels behind Jon, but if they are for training new recruits too, all the better. I was looking forward to a scene where Jon gets to take lead a bit early on. Kit looks brooding and sad, which doesn’t surprise me. He finds out about the RW, the destruction of WF and his brothers and LC’s deaths. Cheers to the haters.

  215. KG
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: To unstable people.

    That’s all of us. We’re nerds. Nice try though.

  216. AGotFan
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    I have actually seen the episodes. I dont know if its the finap version but yes i have seen it.

  217. GeekFurious
    Posted January 30, 2014 at 11:42 pm | Permalink

    KG: That’s all of us. We’re nerds.Nice try though.

    Well, I’m a geek. And I’m not bothered by it because I’m sane.

    On a non-loony note, did you guys see tonight’s COMMUNITY? They’ve moved onto GAME OF THRONES (from DOCTOR WHO in previous seasons).

  218. Caravaggio
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:01 am | Permalink

    Damn, love that dramatic photo of Dany. She looks every bit the dragon queen!

  219. Bui Huu Duyet
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 1:02 am | Permalink

    King Tommen,

    Maybe he’ll start calling himself “the black lion” for this and the mess with his dad. Since “”kingslayer” would be snatched from his hand (not literaly, though), it would suit him better.

  220. Greenjones
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 1:19 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Wow, I made a typo on my pic of Jon looking dull. Who’s gormless now.

    tysnow,

    Another piece of evidence that part 1 of AryaHound vs Gregor’s gang might be in episode one is that interview with D and D and some of the cast from Comic-Con. When talking about what to expect in season 4 Dan Weiss say that they have already shot a fight with the Hound (this was during the summer). Sine D and D direct ep. one and are tied to their directorial duties and don’t hang around the shooting units as often (according to a Kit Harington interview from last year I think), this leads me to believe that THEY filmed the fight in question and it will be in THEIR episode. 4.1

  221. Uther Greenshirt
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    lol love that the RV has a 70s medallion on! :) groovy!

  222. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Why did they changed the Kingsguard armour? the new one looks… cheap.

  223. WompWomp
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:19 am | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro,

    After reading The Hedge Knight (first time reading any ASOIAF material since ADWD came out), I’m absolutely lamenting the Kingsguard armor in the show. I want to see some white enamel armor and shields so badly.

  224. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:23 am | Permalink

    AGotFan:
    This season is by far the best season of the series. Every episode is eventful and there was nevera dull episode. Although episode 1 was kind of slow but from 2-10 it was a wild roller coaster ride. Based from what i have been readin in the comments here, i think a lot of people will be shocked on how different the events will be, particularly the red viper’s storyline and the mountain.

    Not sure if troll or actual editor of game of thrones

  225. WompWomp
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:28 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Trolls usually aren’t so… positive. Still, I hope it’s a legit assessment.

  226. Reza
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    As I am searching online I dont see any evidence of Ciarán Hinds being in season 4!!
    How is that gonna work? Wildlings attacking the wall with no leader?

    Does anyone know anything?

  227. Myrish Swampert
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:49 am | Permalink

    All the characters I care about are not in the photo set.
    Where are my team Stannis, team Bran…
    I hope it’s only because they’re not featured in the first episode like the last season.
    On the other note, Daario look like Big Boss

  228. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:02 am | Permalink

    WompWomp,

    The lack of the kingsguard’s shields are one of the things that activate my inner asperger. That and the lack of Sandor’s badass helmet (that appeared in like 2 episodes).

  229. KG
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    Uther Greenshirt,

    He really IS very Studio 54 lol

  230. Greenjones
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:33 am | Permalink

    Reza,

    The source that Game of Thrones wiki cites is apparently only a fan website and thus inaccurate. But maybe they at least found out somehow that he would be in the season. I think he’ll be in it. He’s Irish after all and thus (if he still lives there) isn’t too far away from where his scenes would be filmed anyway. If he comes back for more screentime that would be great but really, he’s probably only needed for three or so episodes like last season.

    We shall see.

  231. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:39 am | Permalink

    GeekFurious: Well, I’m a geek. And I’m not bothered by it because I’m sane.

    On a non-loony note, did you guys see tonight’s COMMUNITY? They’ve moved onto GAME OF THRONES (from DOCTOR WHO in previous seasons).

    I’ve never seen Community. I do love that Ben (Adam Scott) from Parks and Rec is a huge GoT nerd. He’s so my ideal man. GoT and liberal politics. Yes please!

  232. Paul
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:50 am | Permalink

    Dany is my favorite character but like to see her with a bit different looser hair style and as someone else wrote change the blue dress,will happen at some stage perhaps, feel petty moaning about this great show but too late!

  233. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:02 am | Permalink

    I think I agree with Rygar in that people don’t give show Tyrion enough credit. 99% of the men in Westeros would have banged her after getting married, regardless of how rapey it was. It’s not that Sansa was running away or fighting him off, and he still stopped her and told her he wouldn’t do it. In our times, there wouldn’t be much credit to give for that but in Westeros it’s applaudable.

  234. vlad
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:09 am | Permalink

    Beautiful photos, nothing new unfortunately. I don’t understand why Ellaria looks so fierce, she should be a very nice lady… maybe the rumor that she will take the role of the Sand Snakes is true. From everything I see, they toned down Daario, I could bet they’re making him a good guy… Daenerys couldn’t hook up with someone that isn’t decent right?? she is perfect.

    PS: Why is Tormund still so serious? :( I hoped they would change him this season, bring him at least a little closer to his book persona.

  235. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:27 am | Permalink

    http://grrm.livejournal.com/354820.html
    Is GRRM implying that he will be doing an early showing of GoT season 4 in March?

  236. Stannislaw
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:36 am | Permalink

    No Stannis, Bran, Asha and Theon. Fairly disappointed.

    So many shots of Dany and it looks like they’ll portray her as Jesus Christ Reborn again after that Mhysa episode. Damn it D&D stop whitewashing her.

  237. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:44 am | Permalink

    Stannislaw,

    Asha does not exist.

  238. Ludo
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 5:13 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Yara Greyjoy’s real name is Asha in the books. They changed it in the TV series.

  239. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro: The lack of the kingsguard’s shields are one of the things that activate my inner asperger. That and the lack of Sandor’s badass helmet (that appeared in like 2 episodes).

    For me it’s the lack of crowns for the rivals, given how brilliant the production design has been so far. We’ve had 3 different crowns with antlers for Robert, Joffrey and Renly, with a another one on the way with silver rose thorns worked in, but nothing for Balon, Robb, Stannis or Dany. The red gold crown of flames for Stannis may’ve looked ridiculous but given how much his sigil’s been worked into the armour, weapons, shields etc. it’s not implausible for him to get one made up. Anyway, that’s what gets me going, but I have Asperger’s anyway so I can’t imagine what they might look like. The last time I dreamed, I was shopping on a strict budget LOL :).

    Anyway, the lack of white is annoying, there was at least used sparingly on the breastplate, but now I can’t see any. It doesn’t make sense that in 17 years of serving under King Robert and 2 under Joffrey, they’d only now decided to honour the Baratheon dynasty. It just seems like another way of denying his parentage. In the whole of the series, the only person I can recall using a shield in combat was Ser Vardis. Though I might be mistaken, it seems that the only other shields belong to either the Unsullied, Catelyn’s knights and freeriders, the Stark bannermen or the jousters at the Hand’s Tourney.

  240. Patchy Face
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 5:59 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    I would say definitely yes

  241. Patchy Face
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:02 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I did see Community but what? what did I miss about GoT in this ep?

  242. Mike
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:18 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor: Not sure if troll or actual editor of game of thrones

    I would say troll, rather like those that post 5 star reviews of the books before they’ve even been finished, let alone published…

  243. Pau Soriano
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    AGotFan:
    I have actually seen the episodes. I dont know if its the finap version but yes i have seen it.

    Lol sure you have ;)

  244. Pau Soriano
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor: Not sure if troll or actual editor of game of thrones

    If he was an editor he’d NEVER post here.

  245. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:32 am | Permalink

    AGotFan,

    Ooh! Please tell us all dem spoilers! Are the rumers that Mads Mickelsen was cast as fake Arya correct??

  246. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    Americans, there’s your chance. I would kill for that ticket. lol

  247. Pau Soriano
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:48 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer:
    http://grrm.livejournal.com/354820.html
    Is GRRM implying that he will be doing an early showing of GoT season 4 in March?

    It certainly seems so! It’s strange it’s in march though, May 5th seems like a more reasonable date

    Edit: Ok I misread the post, is not that they’re screening S4 at the cocteau, is that they’re screening it somewhere else (for the HBO people or whatever) and Martin has 2 spare tickets for the fans

  248. Jimbo
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:50 am | Permalink

    Daenerys is gonna stay in that blue dress in the show untill she dies.

  249. Jerome
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Tywin Lannister is the shit!

  250. Rygar
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 7:59 am | Permalink

    Jerome:
    Tywin Lannister is the shit!

    The Most Interesting Man in the World is interested in him…

  251. JP Dayne
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:01 am | Permalink

    remember when Jaime was supposed to be blond?

  252. AGotFan
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:04 am | Permalink

    Oh well. :) My “troll” didnt work. ;)

  253. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:11 am | Permalink

    AGotFan,

    Nice try Mr. Agotfan, nice try.

  254. Joshua Atreides
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    When did this site turn into a Facebook wall? Before I found the comments on here weighed heavily against my own opinions whether I agreed with them or not, but when the season actually starts I’m going to take a lot of comments with a grain of salt. I guess this is indicative of how hungry the fandom is for season 4! Oh well at least I’m skeptical about X Men Days of Future Past because the reaction to the recently released stills and magazine covers is justified.
    The Martells look boss. As does everyone else. Dany too. As for Obie’s 70s medallion maybe it belongs to Elia?

  255. tysnow
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:31 am | Permalink

    Jimbo,

    Daenerys is gonna stay in that blue dress in the show untill she dies

    I hope not, a true queen always has a massive wardrobe (great fashion sense, look at Cersei), for all occasions, it is stupid to have her wearing the same clothes all the time, so very not royal. In fact I was hoping to see a refreshing look for her this season, so is there a problem with the costume department, have they run out of ideas?

  256. Amnesiacps
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:35 am | Permalink

    Love the snakeskin detailing on Oberyn and Ellaria’s costumes.

  257. Arkash
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    tysnow,

    Well, you can see in the trailer that Dany has other clothes when she is sitting on the throne of Meereen. Seems to be her white dress, the same she had when she met the Yunka’ï ambassador. Maybe we’ll see more of that dress as she tries to rule Meereen.

  258. Siobhán Mooney
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    As for Obie’s 70s medallion maybe it belongs to Elia?

    I was thinking the same thing. It has a certain feminine look to it.

  259. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides: As for Obie’s 70s medallion maybe it belongs to Elia?

    It looks too “Groovy” for the Martells. I guess the long-term feud between Martell and Tyrell doesn’t prevent a snake from fancying a few flowers on his person. At least it’s not trippy like Illyrio’s robes :o.

  260. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    tysnow:
    Grynthaline,

    Book fans need to remember, show Tyrion is more lovable than book Imp, by a long shot. So expect some more changes…period.

    I’m one who has had strong feelings for book and show Tyrion for a long time. And I really tire of those who believe he’s being “whitewashed.” Most of the events people discuss that relate to “whitewashing” have not happened yet, and another involves a certain singer that’s such a tertiary plot point it’s like to be cut anyway. (OK, in the 2nd book he slips Cersei a mickey so she misses a Small Council meeting, that counts.)

    I’m in the middle of “Project Rewatch” now, and Golden Crown does contain a strong moment where you see he’s got his sense of vengeance as well. After Bronn defeats Ser Vardis Egan in the trial by combat, one thing you notice is Dinklage’s face when he approaches Rodrik Cassel and asks for his gold back, and the look he gives him, and Catelyn, is pretty fierce. He’s PISSED. He’s triumphant, but he’s pissed to have been put in this situation.

    bwayne:
    Jaime’s new prosthetic is not what I was expecting.It looks like a raggedy stuffed glove from that angle.Maybe it’s transitional or I need to see it up close and in better lighting.

    Oy, really? The show has NOT been aired yet. We have pictures only. We’re clearly entering the stupid season when it comes to GoT.

    Valyrian Plastic: In the whole of the series, the only person I can recall using a shield in combat was Ser Vardis. Though I might be mistaken, it seems that the only other shields belong to either the Unsullied, Catelyn’s knights and freeriders, the Stark bannermen or the jousters at the Hand’s Tourney.

    –The attack of the Mountain clans on Cat/Rodrik et al, some of them had shields.

    –Some of both Stannis’ men and the King’s men in Blackwater had shields. Ok, not the Hound, but, well, he was cleaving guys in half.

  261. Jen@House Stark
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer:
    I think I agree with Rygar in that people don’t give show Tyrion enough credit. 99% of the men in Westeros would have banged her after getting married, regardless of how rapey it was. It’s not that Sansa was running away or fighting him off, and he still stopped her and told her he wouldn’t do it. In our times, there wouldn’t be much credit to give for that but in Westeros it’s applaudable.

    Hear, hear! :clapping: Well said, Ser

  262. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:18 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: –The attack of the Mountain clans on Cat/Rodrik et al, some of them had shields.

    –Some of both Stannis’ men and the King’s men in Blackwater had shields. Ok, not the Hound, but, well, he was cleaving guys in half.

    I had a feeling I’d missed a few, but ran out of time to put them in. The Lannisters and Stannis’ Baratheons had shield too, but still none for the Kingsguard. Maybe the table will be shield-shaped to compensate. The Kingsguard helms will also be an issue if Ser Robert Strong turns up. Hopefully they’ll work it out somehow.

  263. Annara Snow
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    vlad:
    Beautiful photos, nothing new unfortunately. I don’t understand why Ellaria looks so fierce, she should be a very nice lady…maybe the rumor that she will take the role of the Sand Snakes is true. From everything I see, they toned down Daario, I could bet they’re making him a good guy…Daenerys couldn’t hook up with someone that isn’t decent right?? she is perfect.

    PS: Why is Tormund still so serious? :( I hoped they would change him this season, bring him at least a little closer to his book persona.

    So, you can tell if someone is a “bad guy” just by looking at him? Wow.

    And I’m not sure how book!Daario is “bad guy”. He is just annoying with his boasting manner. Which he may be in the show, too.

    P.S. He probably wouldn’t be jokey while preparing for the biggest battle of his life…

  264. James
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Is that new Kingsguard armour I spy on Ser Meryn?

  265. Patchy Face
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Santa Fe is within a long car ride of my home but it appears that GRRM is only giving out tickets during special drawings, occasions, etc at his theatre – I would love to make it to the showing but don’t think there is any way I could get a ticket. (his theatre only has 125 seats)

  266. Annara Snow
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    Stannislaw:
    No Stannis, Bran, Asha and Theon. Fairly disappointed.

    So many shots of Dany and it looks like they’ll portray her as Jesus Christ Reborn again after that Mhysa episode. Damn it D&D stop whitewashing her.

    I’m pretty sure that the pictures are either from the season premiere, or from the first two episodes. Bran, Stannis, Mel, Davos, Theon, Yara, Ramsey are probably not in the first episode (or not in the first two episodes).

    I’m not sure how Dany has been “whitewashed”. If anything, they made her look worse in season 2, where she came off as an immature shrill brat going around and repeating the same stuff Viserys used to, had awful dialogue, and “WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS?” became a mocking catchphrase… (she seemed so much less mature than book Dany, despite being years older) and then she locked/ buried two people alive in a vault as a revenge for betraying her. From the season 4 trailer, it seems that they’re opting for giving her declamatory speeches – that will make half the audience go “OMG crazy scary extremist!!!” especially when taken out of context (since much of the trailer audience doesn’t know that she’s referring to slavers who crucify children) – instead of simply showing her react to the atrocities she sees, and making her more relatable, as they do in the book.

    And if anyone has been whitewashed, it’s Jorah, who’s again portrayed as a noble and wise advice-giver, going by the trailer at least. We should probably expect some more Nice Guy (TM)ness with the show trying its best to make us feel sorry for poor Jorah because Dany isn’t into him.

  267. Rygar
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 11:12 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Not sure what she doesn’t see in him. Ian’s Jorah in a sweaty V is as hot, sexy, and manly as they get.

  268. Rygar
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Its not that difficult actually. At one time, Westerns used to portray the villain in all Black and the hero in all White. There are certain physical traits that have been used repetitively in film to signify an “evil” or “bad” character. Its cliché, but an effective practice. Was it Tolkien who said, “I think an Enemy would look fair but feel foul” about Aragorn?

  269. Annara Snow
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer:
    I think I agree with Rygar in that people don’t give show Tyrion enough credit. 99% of the men in Westeros would have banged her after getting married, regardless of how rapey it was. It’s not that Sansa was running away or fighting him off, and he still stopped her and told her he wouldn’t do it. In our times, there wouldn’t be much credit to give for that but in Westeros it’s applaudable.

    See, I do give credit to Tyrion for not raping Sansa. In our world, it would be crazy to give someone credit for not committing rape, but in a crapsack world of ASOIAG/GoT, I am ready to give credit to people for having a minimum of human decency. I do think that the majority of men of Westeros would probably do it under the circumstances – official legal right to rape their child bride, the power of their house behind them, ordered by the head of their family, huge reward in the shape of lands (Winterfell and the North). I am not so pessimistic to think that 99% of men in Westeros would do it, though. Ned Stark wouldn’t, Jon Snow wouldn’t, Sam wouldn’t, Davos wouldn’t, Robb Stark wouldn’t, IMO Jaime wouldn’t, and I could go on; not everyone has the morality of Tywin Lannister and Roose Bolton.

    However, there’s a difference between giving Tyrion credit for not being a ruthless, greedy rapist asshole, and claiming that Tyrion had every right to “consummate” the marriage, even though he knew that Sansa was a young hostage who was forced into the marriage by the people who have been killing her family, as an act of war against her family – so her body would be used to steal her family’s lands – and that she didn’t want this marriage and didn’t want to have sex with him. The problem is when someone starts claiming that it wouldn’t have been rape, just because Sansa wasn’t kicking or screaming or trying to run away. That’s like claiming that slaves were not raped when their masters used them sexually. Now, yes, the show runners, in their infinite wisdom, decided to water down the situation as much as possible and not show the full horror of Sansa’s situation, making her aware of the marriage beforehand and more resigned to it than she was in the book, and having her have chats with Margaery about Tyrion’s looks, instead of (book version of the events) being suddenly told that she was going to marry Tyrion, right before the wedding, and threatened by Cersei, who brings two big Kingsguard members with her to take Sansa to the wedding, and tells Sansa that she can either come with them, or be dragged kicking and screaming, but that she will be wedded and bedded all the same. But, even in the watered down show version of the events (where, incidentally, Tyrion doesn’t make Sansa take her clothes of and doesn’t grope her breast before realizing he really can’t go through with it, as he does in the book), I would think that people should understand that Sansa is a hostage, who has no choice, who has a threat over her life, who would be dragged kicking and screaming if she refused, and who could, if she refused, be beaten (as she’s already been at Joffrey’s orders), locked, abused, tortured… for all she knows, Tywin and Cersei could order the KG members to hold her down until Tyrion consummates the marriage. Or Joffrey, who is constantly threatening to rape her, may decide to do it instead of his uncle, as he says a couple of times.

    Bottom line: the idea that Sansa would have had any say in the matter, if Tyrion decided to go through with it and rape her, is incredibly naive. Trying to blame it on Sansa and making it seem like she had a choice but was just too “dutiful” is simply offensive. Claiming that a husband has a right to use his wife sexually without asking her for consent is offensive. And the entire situation was terrible for both Sansa and Tyrion; but it was primarily a horrific situation for Sansa, a young girl (14 in the show, 12 in the book) who was a hostage of the family that had been waging a war against her family and killing her family members, who forced her into a marriage with one of them, a man she doesn’t hate but that she finds completely unattractive, in an attempt to use her against her own and her family’s interests, and who thought she would have to endure marital rape and live as one of her enemies, possibly for the rest of her life. For someone who is so young and has endured so much, that’s a very traumatic situation. She was the main victim in that situation, not Tyrion.

    Furthermore, I’m not sure if you think that your argument that 99% of men in Westeros would have raped Sansa in that situation, supports Rygar’s overall argument. He was claiming that someone, in this case the Hound, would have no reasons to think that Tyrion would go through with it and consummate the marriage despite Sansa’s non-consent, because Tyrion is so nice. If the majority of men in Westeros would have raped Sansa to secure the hold on Winterfell and the North, then why would someone assume that Tyrion wouldn’t?* Tyrion does not have a reputation of being an incredibly nice man. Especially, why would someone who has a strong dislike for Tyrion (the Hound) assume that Tyrion is so nice that he wouldn’t do it? It’s a contradictory argument. Lots of people think that Tyrion is portrayed as nicer than he is in the books, but that refers to how the audience sees him, not how the other characters see him.

    * For those who don’t mind the book references: in the book, Robb and Catelyn found out about Sansa’s marriage to Tyrion just before the RW, and they were horrified. Cat was disappointed that Tyrion broke the promise he made to her to exchange her daughters for Jaime, and both of them were really furious at Tyrion – and both of them totally assumed that Tyrion was raping Sansa, rather than waiting for her consent or for her to be older. Robb went even further and assumed that Tyrion would try to get her pregnant ASAP and that the Lannisters would kill Sansa as soon as she gave birth to Tyrion’s child – since they would have no need of Sansa anymore. Which, I think, was quite likely what Tywin had in mind (he wouldn’t really have the need for Tyrion, either, not that I think he would go as far to kill him, but he would probably exclude him from the bringing up of the new Lannister heir to Winterfell and the North) and which was definitely the plan that the Freys have for Edmure – kill him as soon as Roslin gives birth to an heir to Riverrun – and that Alys Karstark’s great-uncle and uncle had for her.

  270. Pau
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow: So, you can tell if someone is a “bad guy” just by looking at him? Wow.

    And I’m not sure how book!Daario is “bad guy”. He is just annoying with his boasting manner. Which he may be in the show, too.

    P.S. He probably wouldn’t be jokey while preparing for the biggest battle of his life…

    I actually like book Daario a lot. And I think he’s one of the “good guys” (if you can say that in ASOIAF). For me more of a good guy that book Jorah or book Tyrion are, for example. And no worse than Dany. I don’t understand why so many people find him annoying. I see he’s boasting manner more as a defense mechanism (in various levels) than nothing else.

    I think in a subconscious level the inside nerd of the fandom associate Daario to the jocks or bullies that are so common in the US high schools. O well, maybe he really is a douchebag, we’ll see in the future I guess

  271. Jon Blackfyre
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Pau,

    how is Jorah and Tyrion more of a bad guy then Daario.

    OFF TOPIC: does anyone know who GRRM said he pictured playing Arianne Martell.

  272. Ser Pounce-a-Lot
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:21 pm | Permalink

    Pau,

    It is made clear in the text that Daario has NO morality whatsoever, and I think most people would classify such a character as “bad.” On the other hand, he is far more honest about his intentions than other characters in ASOIAF, so there’s an argument for him being considered “good.” Personally I don’t hate him, and I think most fans who dislike the character do so because we only see him from Dany’s perspective.
    In fact the whole Meereen story is sooooo much more interesting when viewed broadly instead of through her eyes. I think an omniscient camera will really improve things. Too often Dany is in a room fantasizing about Daario while really interesting stuff happens beyond her view.

  273. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:22 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow: I’m not sure how Dany has been “whitewashed”.

    Going to agree here. In Season 3, her meeting with the emissary from Yunkai brings this home – you see the growing arrogance even though, as a prisoner once said of someone else, “Three victories doesn’t make you a conquerer.” But the “whitewashing” charge is getting a bit old around these parts.

  274. René
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Hard to believe? These are books with Dragons, Giants and undead people and then it’s unbelievable if someone is attracted to someone else.

    But I know what you mean, I had the same feeling about that relationship when reading the books.

  275. Arkash
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce-a-Lot,

    I am really interested in Daario.
    I hated him at first in the books and yes, I must confess, he was the somehow bad-boy getting all the girls we all have encountered and resented.
    But I do really wonder if he’s not in it really for passion and love. I feel like GRRM will surprise us all and prove us that Daario is really faithful to Dany, she really loves her (albeit at first for her beauty but perhaps for more than that as time passes) and will stand by her side no matter what.
    I am really eager to see where GRRM will take the character of Daario and his relationship to Dany.

  276. Ser Pounce-a-Lot
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Arkash,

    The man does love to subvert expectations! We shall see…

  277. Pau
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 12:39 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre:
    Pau,

    how is Jorah and Tyrion more of a bad guy then Daario.

    OFF TOPIC: does anyone know who GRRM said he pictured playing Arianne Martell.

    I really think they are. At least for Dany. I think Dany can trust Daario whereas I’d never trust Jorah or Tyrion. We’ll see. Martin loves to always do the contrary of what readers expect, and everyone expects Daario to betray Dany so…

    OFFTOPIC: The horse-chick from true blood?

    EDIT: WTF Arkash and Ser Pounced-a-Lot overtook me on the left (is that even an english expression?). Exactly what they said

  278. Annara Snow
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre:
    Pau,

    how is Jorah and Tyrion more of a bad guy then Daario.

    How is Jorah more of a good guy than Daario?

    Daario tells Dany that she should use her dragons and armies and crush her enemies, and for that Dany calls him a monster and sends him away, because he’s an immoral sellsword. On the other hand, Jorah… advises her to use a slave army to conquer Westeros, and pulls the “if you fight nobly and morally, you’ll lose” argument. He’s a ruthless, immoral pragmatist just as much as Daario is. Jorah is also a former slaver himself, something that hasn’t been established about Daario, as far as I can remember. I’m doing a re-read of AGOT now, and Jorah also talks with hatred about Ned Stark because he held him accountable for his crime, and is pissed off at Ned for putting so much stock in “his precious honor” and punishing him for selling “a few lice-ridden poachers”. So, we get the confirmation that the men he sold as slaves were not murderers or rapists or child abusers; but to Jorah, they’re worthless because they were poor and had to poach because they needed to survive, while he was wasting his gold on buying his young wife’s love. And it gets worse: at one point, he suggests to Drogo that selling children to brothels would be very profitable. It’s astonishing that Dany, who abhors slavery, could gloss over all this. (I hope that the man undergoes some real soul-searching and change as a result of becoming a slave himself.)

    I think that the readers are influenced both by their expectations based on the superficial traits of those two men, and Dany’s view of them: she’s in love with Daario (it’s more like a very intense crush, really) but she sees him as an exciting but immoral bad boy and doesn’t trust him (she expected him to betray her, and was surprised when it was the likeable, avuncular Ben Plumm who betrayed her for gold), while she sees Jorah as a reliable and trustworthy man, almost as a father figure (in the book, his description sounds similar in some ways to that of William Darry), and is really shocked at his betrayal.

    I’m not a fan of Daario, but I’ve started to appreciate him more as a character when it started to look like GRRM was subverting the “bad boy” stereotype.

    As for Tyrion… well, we haven’t seen him give any advice to Dany yet, but Tyrion isn’t a morally sound dude, either, at least not in the books. If the show stays true to his development, he will not look like a very moral dude for much longer. For starters, we know that he resorts to murder to get rid of a guy who was blackmailing him. And we haven’t heard anything about Daario raping sex slaves – he may be doing it for all we know, but we don’t.

  279. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:13 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow: If the show stays true to his development, he will not look like a very moral dude for much longer. For starters, we know that he resorts to murder to get rid of a guy who was blackmailing him.

    I don’t expect to see that. Not because it’s a “whitewash” — I still think the main event that skews Tyrion morally (the murder of Shae, not that she’s innocent, but still…less so the murder of his father, but yeah, I guess the murder of his father too) — will play out largely as we expect. The killing of Symion, I imagine, is going to be jettisoned as it’s an unneeded character, and seeing him strangle Shae and take out his father with a crossbow is going to be “shading” enough. It may come across as somewhat surprising, in the case of Shae, in particular (we’ve gotten enough of the toxic nature of the Tyrion/Tywin relationship that it will seem like a catharsis), so there’s that aspect, but the writers have done some of the set-up work already with the “I am your whore, and when you are tired of fucking me, I will be nothing” scene and the attempt by Varys to buy her off, which is meant to show Varys thinking of the realm, but naturally to Shae comes across as a clinical, removed way for Tyrion to try to get rid of her.

  280. Bannerless Bro
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Yes! Now is all bronze apparently. And in a world with steel armours and weapons, bronze is not a good choice…
    The sets at least look as good as always. I loved the Kingsguard table and the throne room at Meereen.

  281. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro: Yes! Now is all bronze apparently. And in a world with steel armours and weapons, bronze is not a good choice…

    They should’ve gone to Tobho Mott! Speaking of said Qohorik, I wonder if he’ll be approached by Tywin with Ice in hand? Given the amount of new plots to establish early on, that scene might be a little extraneous, but maybe we’ll be surprised yet.

  282. House Mormont
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Hope we get Tyrion and Shae’s dragon skull scene

  283. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro:
    Valyrian Plastic,

    Yes! Now is all bronze apparently. And in a world with steel armours and weapons, bronze is not a good choice…
    The sets at least look as good as always. I loved the Kingsguard table and the throne room at Meereen.

    This is actually one change I like. How the hell do you keep white armor clean? It’s ridiculous.

  284. Sister Wrister
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: I’m one who has had strong feelings for book and show Tyrion for a long time. And I really tire of those who believe he’s being “whitewashed.” Most of the events people discuss that relate to “whitewashing” have not happened yet, and another involves a certain singer that’s such a tertiary plot point it’s like to be cut anyway. (OK, in the 2nd book he slips Cersei a mickey so she misses a Small Council meeting, that counts.)

    I’m in the middle of “Project Rewatch” now, and Golden Crown does contain a strong moment where you see he’s got his sense of vengeance as well. After Bronn defeats Ser Vardis Egan in the trial by combat, one thing you notice is Dinklage’s face when he approaches Rodrik Cassel and asks for his gold back, and the look he gives him, and Catelyn, is pretty fierce. He’s PISSED. He’s triumphant, but he’s pissed to have been put in this situation.

    Oy, really? The show has NOT been aired yet. We have pictures only. We’re clearly entering the stupid season when it comes to GoT.

    –The attack of the Mountain clans on Cat/Rodrik et al, some of them had shields.

    –Some of both Stannis’ men and the King’s men in Blackwater had shields. Ok, not the Hound, but, well, he was cleaving guys in half.

    I’m aware this is a very old topic, and likely have little to add… but I’ll try. I think some of what people mix up the “whitewashing” of Tyrion with… Well, we don’t get truly “into his head” in the show and we miss out on his cutthroat logic, his crass sense of humor, his honest sexual frustrations; his relationship with the women in his life, both past and present; his father; the inner thoughts he repeatedly struggles with and the things he remembers as he acts in each new situation… his motivations, basically. We only get the picture in front of us on the show.
    The other thing I think people integrate into their whitewashed view of show Tyrion, is his physical presence. He’s fugly in the books… yes, fuckin ugly. He has two different color eyes. He is a monster to most people he comes across. And after Blackwater…… well…… Cocaine’s a helluva drug.
    As for shields…. Tyrion got his hands on a shield. Bronn’s advice is hilarious. Love that scene.
    I think we may have more focus on the imagery/tradition/meaning of the Whitecloaks as Jaime nerds out. Hopefully shields will be involved.

  285. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I imagine in the same way you clean a bloody sword, with an oily rag and a little elbow grease. If it’s supposed to look clean on all formal occasions, then why does the colour matter?

  286. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister: I’m aware this is a very old topic, and likely have little to add… but I’ll try.I think some of what people mix up the “whitewashing” of Tyrion with… Well, we don’t get truly “into his head” in the show and we miss out on his cutthroat logic, his crass sense of humor, his honest sexual frustrations; his relationship with the women in his life, both past and present; his father; the inner thoughts he repeatedly struggles with and the things he remembers as he acts in each new situation… his motivations, basically.We only get the picture in front of us on the show.
    The other thing I think people integrate into their whitewashed view of show Tyrion, is his physical presence.He’s fugly in the books… yes, fuckin ugly.He has two different color eyes.He is a monster to most people he comes across.And after Blackwater…… well…… Cocaine’s a helluva drug.
    As for shields…. Tyrion got his hands on a shield.Bronn’s advice is hilarious.Love that scene.
    I think we may have more focus on the imagery/tradition/meaning of the Whitecloaks as Jaime nerds out.Hopefully shields will be involved.

    This is a nice explanation and illuminates a bit. But they’re charges you can make of any character in terms of the ability to get in someone’s head in a TV show where you’re dealing with conversations and not the printed word. I’d charge we get a real good sense of his frustration and anger in the Bronn/Shae/Tyrion “game” where he guesses at their pasts, and the relationship between he and Cersei has been deepened on the show, even if that has on some level caused the two of them to both seem more sympathetic in a way.

    And on the physical appearance, you’re correct – he’s supposed to be truly uglier than Dinklage, who is handsome.

  287. Chris
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Always with the cleavage Margery… not that I’m complaining mind you.
    Really glad to see that Jaime has gone back to his Kingsguard clean shaven look. I was afraid he’d keep the beard just because everyone else seemed to have one.
    And I guess we’ll be subjected to at least some of the Martell sand bastards. Too bad. The whole show would have been better if they were just deleted.

  288. Adrian
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    If Bran wanted to be in these pictures he would’ve ducked out of the way of that truck that hit him carrying all that puberty

  289. Dolorous Ned
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Chris,
    Mostly I don’t really care about minor details in appearance, but I thought it was really funny how Cersei hated Jaime’s beard in the books, so I kinda wish they had kept it.

  290. Eleanor
    Posted January 31, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Annara Snow,

    Its not that difficult actually.At one time, Westerns used to portray the villain in all Black and the hero in all White.There are certain physical traits that have been used repetitively in film to signify an “evil” or “bad” character.Its cliché, but an effective practice.Was it Tolkien who said, “I think an Enemy would look fair but feel foul” about Aragorn?

    ‘Fair’ for centuries meant ‘beautiful’. A dark-haired dark-eyed maiden might be fairer than a a blonde one. At some late point it mutated. Tolkien’s language is deliberately archaic, and he would have been using the word to mean beautiful/attractive rather than pale or golden.

  291. Myrish Swampert
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    Adrian,

    What does that have anything to do with puberty? He looks about 12 in the most recent pictures. Meanwhile Sansa looks like she could be playing Bran’s mum.

  292. Sister Wrister
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 1:59 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber: This is a nice explanation and illuminates a bit. But they’re charges you can make of any character in terms of the ability to get in someone’s head in a TV show where you’re dealing with conversations and not the printed word. I’d charge we get a real good sense of his frustration and anger in the Bronn/Shae/Tyrion “game” where he guesses at their pasts, and the relationship between he and Cersei has been deepened on the show, even if that has on some level caused the two of them to both seem more sympathetic in a way.

    And on the physical appearance, you’re correct – he’s supposed to be truly uglier than Dinklage, who is handsome.

    I agree with you here. If you are speaking of Tyrion, as opposed to the adaptation of other GOT characters specifically, I’ll certainly oblige. Most adaptations end up sucking due to inability to create depth of character, and lack of detail/material for broader context, due to obvious medium and format restrictions. However, with GoT, we have this very illustrious POV format that enables us to get to know characters very very well. Couple the amazing storytelling of the books, the (sometimes too rich) context, and a very well produced show… with the most rabid fans…. people get bummed when somebody they felt they knew so well was translated such and such a way, and the show certainly had the opportunities to do certain things differently… I have my issues with the show, but Tyrion’s treatment is not one of them. And like you said, many pivotal events for him have not happened…. I like the idea of Jaime’s current and forthcoming transition juxtaposed with Tyrion’s… so maybe he’ll end up a bit less polite. I have my doubts, but we’ll see.

    I love when he calls his father a cunt. Isn’t that the scene you mentioned?

  293. OldeCrone
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 3:49 am | Permalink

    Somebody asked if “overtaking on the left” was an English expression. Well strictly speaking it’s called “undertaking”. In the UK and I think Eire (I’m sure any Emerald islanders will correct me if I’m wrong) drivers still use the left-hand side of the road [which I believe dates from time immemorial to keep their sword arms free, most people being right-handed]. I don’t know what expression people in North America who drive on the right hand side of the road would use. The rest of Europe drive on the right. Sorry I don’t know about the rest of the world though I think generally the right-hand side is more common.

    I’ll reserve my judgement on new Daario. I didn’t like book Daario (who I came to later than show Daario). I hope the show isn’t going to be like “Dynasty” in the 1980s [1990s or younger children ask your parents] where a couple of the leads were re-cast with completely different players. On the chance any HBO showrunners read this – your audiences are not all thick and they do notice changes. I realise that if an actor isn’t tied contractually into a role longterm and takes another role it’s not the showrunners’ fault but then actors have to eat so you can’t blame them either.

  294. Ser Tahu
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 4:28 am | Permalink

    AGotFan,
    You did a better job of it than the trolls last season. I still remember people claiming that episode 8 would jump between Tyrion an Sansa’s wedding and Tywin having doggy style sex with Shae :P.

  295. Eljuma
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    They should’ve gone to Tobho Mott! Speaking of said Qohorik, I wonder if (spoiler) Given the amount of new plots to establish early on, that scene might be a little extraneous, but maybe we’ll be surprised yet.

    I really hope not.

    People must be unaware of those swords and where he got them until he presents them to Jaime and/or Joffrey. The shock will make everyone who doesn’t know it already go “oh you didn’t you oh yes you did you damn amoral bastard”. But for that you need absolutely zero forshadowing.

    In fact, it’s been years since I read it myself and I’m still pissed. Yes. I don’t mind the wars, murders and tortures as much as what he did to that sword. That was a dick move comparable to someone blowing up the pyramids at Gizeh and using the stones to build a giant statue of himself.

  296. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:42 am | Permalink

    Eljuma,

    Believe me, even as a fairly new member of the Sullied, I’m pissed off too. To create two new swords with so much pointless razzle-dazzle from an ancestral blade, and hand them over to a crippled knight and a boy king who doesn’t know s*** about swinging it is the ultimate insult. There are families who hold their 400+ year old Valyrian Blades more dearly than their own children, they’re irreplaceable heirlooms after all.

    But as I said before, the encounter with Mott might not even happen. For all we know the run will be 50 minute episodes upto an hour+ finale again, just like season 2.

  297. OldeCrone
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 6:05 am | Permalink

    Eleanor: ‘Fair’ for centuries meant ‘beautiful’. A dark-haired dark-eyed maiden might be fairer than a a blonde one. At some late point it mutated. Tolkien’s language is deliberately archaic, and he would have been using the word to mean beautiful/attractive rather than pale or golden.

    Eleanor when I was but a child crone and still had brown rather than grey hair, before I sussed out the differences in the meaning of “fair” – the fact that the goodies and especially the fairy-tale princesses were usually blonde really used to hack me off. At one time I was outnumbered by light-haired friends and I was never allowed to play the princess in childhood games because my hair was dark. No wonder I liked Snow White (as she is in the traditional story, not as in a certain [to me] awful TV show) because she had dark hair. Okay black is not brown but at least she wasn’t blonde …. by the way I don’t hate blondes in case this post makes me appear to be prejudiced against them.

  298. Dark Lark
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 8:36 am | Permalink

    Just want to see The Hound survive. McCann’s Hound may not be book Sandor, but I like him a lot and want to see him protecting and championing the Starks.

  299. HodorBlackFyre
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 10:01 am | Permalink

    ZOMG Ellaria <3 i just felt in luv :D

  300. Mike
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Chris:
    Always with the cleavage Margery…not that I’m complaining mind you.
    Really glad to see that Jaime has gone back to his Kingsguard clean shaven look.I was afraid he’d keep the beard just because everyone else seemed to have one.
    And I guess we’ll be subjected to at least some of the Martell sand bastards.Too bad.The whole show would have been better if they were just deleted.

    D&D have not been shy about cutting extraneous characters, or merging a few characters into one, for the sake of expedience, budgetary constraints, and to simplify the story line a little for viewers. Therefore, I think that if they are keeping these characters in play, then they know that down the road they’re going to be necessary. This is actually useful information for those of us who are still waiting (in vain) for the remaining books to be written…

  301. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 10:44 am | Permalink

    Mike,

    Chris,

    It’s not likely that we’ll be seeing 8 Sand Snakes, given that half of them aren’t even women grown and add nothing to the plot, but I can see them keeping Tyene, and maybe dropping Obara, or changing her name because of its similarity to her father’s (stranger changes have been made before). Elia should remain too, given that she’s the eldest of Ellaria’s brood with Oberyn, and they can probably lose Sarella without detracting from Sam’s Oldtown arc. It’s much more plausible that a man would father 3 daughters and no sons than 8 of them, but if they’re cut entirely, they’ll have also cut a very key element of the Queenmaker Plot.

  302. Bannerless Bro
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Dark Lark,

    Sandor is not dead. Nor Gregor, in a way.
    GET READY
    GET HYPE

  303. Anguissette1979
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 1:03 pm | Permalink

    Jon Blackfyre,

    Janina Gavankar

  304. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    Anguissette1979,

    That was GRRM’s casting for Nymeria Sand.

    Off topic: The GoT actress who refused to get naked is definitely not Emilia Clarke, correct? I just had an argument with a friend.

  305. Sister Wrister
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Not sure cutting the sand snakes would necessarily mean death to the queenmaker plot. They would likely just use Ellaria, no? And damn she looks awesome! I would not mess with that woman.
    That said, I do hope we get the sand snakes, at least maybe three of them. They will likely have a role to play

  306. Rygar
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Incorrect. The actress that refused to get naked was Charles Dance.

  307. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    It could be that we don’t get all “as many as they’re gonna cast” Sand Snakes at once, but only see them when they are actively contributing to the plot. It’ll be like when they only cast the other Tullys, the Reeds and Ramsay in season 3 despite them appearing in Game and Clash.

    Arianne may need to go farther than her 2 Feast chapters, and part of her motivations are the vengeful Sand Snakes (which as you said, could be easily replaced by Ellaria) and her outrage when they’re locked up for the good of Dorne. As of The Winds of Winter (going on previews alone of course), she’s travelling with Elia “Lady Lance”, while Obara is hunting Darkstar with Hotah. These are all plots we won’t see until seasons 5-7, but who knows how much they’ll expect us to invest in this entirely new cast of characters.

  308. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Dark Lark:
    Just want to see The Hound survive. McCann’s Hound may not be book Sandor, but I like him a lot and want to see him protecting and championing the Starks.

    I’m with you, ser. After all the wrath, debauchery and dragon mania is finally over, and after bloody vengeance has been dealt to Strong and LF, the born-again Hound and ever-vindictive Sansa shall settle down and make many direwolves together. Just wait until the final epilogue…the Hound meets his new mother-in-law!

  309. Dolorous Ned
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 3:33 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Wasn’t that Esme Bianco? If so it was a bad idea, as D&D only need important or nude characters, so they promptly killed off Ros ;)

  310. Annara Snow
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: I’m with you, ser. After all the wrath, debauchery and dragon mania is finally over, and after bloody vengeance has been dealt to Strong and LF, the born-again Hound and ever-vindictive Sansa shall settle down and make many direwolves together. Just wait until the final epilogue…the Hound meets his new mother-in-law!

    Well, you know what one of the things that dogs sometimes do to (with) wolves is… ;)

  311. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Dolorous Ned,

    That’s what I was thinking. Going on a track record of naked 90% of the time to naked 0% of the time in season 3… Maybe she knew her character was going to die and decided since the show was done with her, she’d end it on her terms. Anyway, Emilia’s bath scene kind of rules out Emilia Clarke, doesn’t it?

  312. Greenjones
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    The source of that info was from an Oona Chaplin interview I’m not going to bother searching around for. She said someone who was naked a lot in season 1 and 2, which doesn’t apply at all to Emilia (no s2) and barely applies to Esme. I think it’s likely that Oona was misinformed.

    Anguissette1979,

    Does that mean that George watches True Blood? Eek.

  313. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Charles Dance better take his pants off this season. I want to not see gold! Forget dragon shit! Forget Strong Belwas’ cocoa puffs! I want to see Tywin take a steaming pile of shit all over Shae- so good that Stephen Dillane will watch it and remember his 70s German porn.

    Honestly though, we wouldn’t need to witness any lion dong. In fact, the scene would be much better if camera angles hide his lower mane. I doubt they will show the majestic Tywin dong, thankfully.

  314. Rygar
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Come join us at WiCgeeks. You really seem cool.

  315. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    We all watch True Blood, and we’re all ashamed of it.

  316. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    What the holy fuck? Seriously. What the fuck?

  317. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Lord Stannis’s Soul,

    Sorry :(
    I went overboard there, didn’t I?

  318. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow: Well, you know what one of the things that dogs sometimes do to (with) wolves is… ;)

    Is that all you got, AS? I thought for sure that I’d get a hearty laugh out of you with the mother-in-law reference! :))

  319. Chickenduck
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer:
    Anguissette1979,

    Off topic: The GoT actress who refused to get naked is definitely not Emilia Clarke, correct? I just had an argument with a friend.

    It was most likely Esme Bianco going into S3 who said no more nudity. She was suspiciously clothed the whole time (and now Ros is dead).

  320. Steve
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Just to let you fuckers know … the instant that ghastly THE FOLLOWING (D:) show gets cancelled, my man James Purefoy’s gonna be Euron Greyjoy.

    I would settle for Isaacs, but never for Mikkelsen. Cause he sucks.* Burn. **

    *Not in general, but … come on. Totally. Not. Up. To. The. Task.

    ** I would hereby like to apologize to Fury for that hurtful comment I made a few days ago. Raging drunk. Her contributions are … somewhat appreciated.

  321. Darkstar is the key
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    This is totally off topic but the best place to get this out. I think it’s quite obvious that the reason the show has changed the dynamic of Tyrion/Shae’s relationship is that they are going to replace Tysha with Shae. They will make them truly in love. When Tyrion is arrested Shae will be discovered and sent away somewhere. That will be why when Tyrion escapes he goes to Tywin’s room. He’ll ask where she is, Tywin will respond “wherever whores go” arrow. And then that’s who Tyrion will be searching for in future seasons.

  322. Sister Wrister
    Posted February 1, 2014 at 10:27 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Wow. What was all that, the Casterly steamer? Have you been drinking?

    Annara Snow: Well, you know what one of the things that dogs sometimes do to (with) wolves is… ;)

    Did it just get hot in herrr? That was kinda hot. I think.

  323. Ser Tahu
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:10 am | Permalink

    Steve,
    Perhaps Purefoy will be free in time for S5, but Faramir.

    Seriously, David Wenham could pass as Alfie Allen’s uncle.

    Either way, though, I am very much looking forward to the casting/filming period for S5. I think it will definitely be the most interesting on that front since the pilot/S1.

  324. Turncloak
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    Darkstar is the key,

    Not happening.

  325. Lord Stonefield
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Daenerys has not been my favourite character since book/season 1 but the look they gave to Emilia Clarke is making me detest Dany even more. WTF do they plan, to make her look like a Peter Jackson elf?!?!?!?!11111

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we heard her, when sending Mormont away, saying “to Mordor must you go, do not tempt me with the Ring, Frodo” or something like that. All they need to do is give her those silly pointy ears and nobody would notice.

  326. Ser Hound
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Darkstar is the key,

    I still don’t understand this rationale. When have the showrunners ever toned down or changed big events from the books? Hell, they made the RW even more horrifying by adding the murder of Robb’s wife and unborn child. If anything, they’re setting up an even bigger emotional impact of Shae’s betrayal.

  327. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 1:17 pm | Permalink

    Ser Hound:
    Darkstar is the key,
    I still don’t understand this rationale. When have the showrunners ever toned down or changed big events from the books? Hell, they made the RW even more horrifying by adding the murder of Robb’s wife and unborn child. If anything, they’re setting up an even bigger emotional impact of Shae’s betrayal.

    Although I wonder if Tysha’s relevance will ever be detailed by Tywin/Jaime to Tyrion as extensively as in the books, I agree that Shae is doomed this season, as in the books. There has already been a bit of Sullied foreshadowing last season with the camera lingering on the necklace gift. We’ll see how it plays out though. In any case, I want that phrase “Wherever whores go” to really matter to the plotline (even as an episode title?) as Tyrion spirals into his ultra-dark phase next season.

  328. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Chickenduck: It was most likely Esme Bianco going into S3 who said no more nudity.She was suspiciously clothed the whole time (and now Ros is dead).

    Heck, maybe the showrunners were making a statement when they filled her almost naked body full of crossbow bolts in her final macabre “St. Sebastian-like” S3 scene? Don’t mess with King Joff & D&D!

    Long live Ros! We’ll miss you.

  329. Randa
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    That’s a dangerous precedent you’re setting. Following duty does not equal consent, and where there is no consent, there is rape, marriage or no. I understand it’s a fantasy series and the rules are different, but even Tyrion tells Tywin “I will not rape her!” because it is what it is, and I could see Sandor following that logic. Dunno if that will be seen in-show, but I just felt the need to clearly state that marriage does not negate rape in any universe.

  330. Randa
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Oh, I see you’ve got this covered. And more succinctly than I. :)

  331. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    Lord Stonefield:
    Daenerys has not been my favourite character since book/season 1 but the look they gave to Emilia Clarke is making me detest Dany even more. WTF do they plan, to make her look like a Peter Jackson elf?!?!?!?!11111

    Lol. I must admit that I have a bit more conflicted and stony, penetrating beauty vision of Dany in my mental image…but Emilia does what she can with the script.

    Regarding that first pic of Dany, is that Daario under her cloak trying to get up her blue dress? A little sneak attack from behind, maybe? Such a fun couple! :)

  332. Canal Cat
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:04 pm | Permalink

    What dogs do to wolves, many of us are dying to know. And set the story up on the show, please. Sansa has to remember the Hound this season, like that time that she thinks he’s coming to rescue her from Marillion (or whoever takes his place). We want to hear, “I wish the Hound were here,” too…

  333. Chickenduck
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Pretty much.

  334. Chickenduck
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Darkstar is the key,

    My memory is sketchy on this, but didn’t Tyrion tell Shae and Bronn about Tysha when they were drinking in the tent in S1?

  335. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 2:56 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: I’m fine with them not going over the top with Daario’s appearance.The way GRRM describes him is just so ridiculous and cheesy it’s hard to believe Dany (or anyone else) would be so attracted to him.
    I love GRRM’s writing but he’s clearly not an expert on what women find attractive.

    It’s not very surprising since Dany spent a lot of time in Tyrosh so naturally she’d be inclined to find people of that fashion to be handsome. You are shaped a lot by your youth in this regard.

    The whole thing works better in a book though because then we get to “see” it through the eyes of someone that is pleased by that look. When we see it on screen we have to see it through our own, modern eyes. That’s of course why all medieval style people in shows like these don’t really look like they did back then.

  336. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Canal Cat,
    Between you and Blind Beth and King Tommen I’m wondering who has the most spoilery alias? :)

    Yes…may Sansa’s snow castle dreams and subtle reflections remain intact!

  337. Bannerless Bro
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Darkstar is the key,

    That would be terrible because they have already established the golden necklace that will replace the hand’s necklace (though it was kind of silly, remember Tyrion used his necklace during the Blackwater episode).

  338. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Bannerless Bro: That would be terrible because they have already established the golden necklace that will replace the hand’s necklace (though it was kind of silly, remember Tyrion used his necklace during the Blackwater episode).

    I guess it pretty much confirms we’re not getting “Hands of Gold” after all, but at least Jaime gets one. And there’ll be no Singer’s Stew for the boys and girls of Flea Bottom this Easter :(.

  339. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Saying it’s a spoiler makes your post an in tagged spoiler. lol

  340. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    :) I wanted to see what the mods would do…..

  341. siberia82
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 5:40 pm | Permalink

    Perhaps I’m reading too much into things, but does anyone else find it strange (and even shocking) that the pendant of Oberyn’s necklace has FLOWERS on them, the symbol of the Tyrells, who are the traditional enemies of the Martells?! The design is even reminiscent of the enameled flowers on Loras’ armour. Unless the costume department has made a BIG slip-up (which is highly doubtful, as the GoT designer seems very careful about these things), I can only guess that Tyrell-Martell rivalry has been toned down on the show. (There is no Willas for Oberyn to cripple in the TV-verse, for instance.)

  342. Patchy Face
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 5:55 pm | Permalink

    siberia82,

    What am I missing? Do not see flowers – only sun symbols. Did you get a better view of the pendant in the trailer? Not sure what you are looking at.

  343. siberia82
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    This is a close-up of Oberyn’s pendant that I got from the new production still: http://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t1/1779792_475626825875707_360090309_n.jpg

  344. Patchy Face
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone else think the crowned Joffrey picture is reminiscent of Nero?

  345. Patchy Face
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 5:59 pm | Permalink

    siberia82,

    Ah thanks – gotcha. Very interesting.

  346. siberia82
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    You’re welcome. If I were the costume designer, the VERY last two symbols I would EVER consider putting on the Red Viper would be 1) a lion, and 2) anything floral-related. I think it would make much more sense for his necklace to have a spear, a blazing sun, a viper, or just about anything else, really. I can’t help but wonder, “Why the heck did the designer choose a flower pendant for Oberyn, and why did the producers green-light this?”

  347. Jordan
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    siberia82,

    A couple of thoughts:

    I’d kind of like to see the whole pendant, although I admit that it looks “bad” from the closeup you posted, and maybe someone did really screw up.

    I guess if it is actually flowers, it might be to evoke the Water Gardens/some kind of “desert rose” imagery.

    I’m still kind of holding out that it might be snakes and/or the sun/spear image that looks like flowers. Compare the Martel logo on Oberyn’s shirt- from a distance, it looks like flowers.

    I also note that looking at it from a distance- like in this pic- http://wicnet.tumblr.com/image/75065492465- it seems like they were going for a geometric “Arabic art” look.

    Incidentally, while we can’t see all of it from the picture (above), I suspect that Ellaria’s armband has a “serpent” look to it.

    Edit- I googled Dorne on the Wiki of Ice and Fire- this- http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/4/49/Marc_Simonetti_throne_of_dorne.jpg- is an official (?) illustration of the Dornish throne, and similarly uses plant imagery (or snakes- I can’t tell which) along with the sun and spear.

  348. Patchy Face
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Patchy Face,

    It almost makes you wonder if it was something to costume at last minute and they grabbed a pendant that was in stock

  349. Abyss
    Posted February 2, 2014 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Jordan: I’d kind of like to see the whole pendant, although I admit that it looks “bad” from the closeup you posted, and maybe someone did really screw up.

    While I’m a sucker for little details like this, I wouldn’t read to much into the flower pendant. It’s clearly not the Tyrell flower, which in reality is only a bloom without the stipe.
    As you said yourself, it could symbolize all sorts of things (or nothing at all).

  350. Bartlett
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 12:04 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Given where he’s been sleeping for the last year, it’s a step up. :P

  351. Arkash
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    Well, I guess the pendant will briefly appear in one or two scenes with no close-ups at all on it… nothing to worry about… I hope !

  352. Eljuma
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 12:22 am | Permalink

    siberia82:
    Patchy Face,

    You’re welcome. If I were the costume designer, the VERY last two symbols I would EVER consider putting on the Red Viper would be 1) a lion, and 2) anything floral-related. I think it would make much more sense for his necklace to have a spear, a blazing sun, a viper, or just about anything else, really. I can’t help but wonder, “Why the heck did the designer choose a flower pendant for Oberyn, and why did the producers green-light this?”

    Maybe he killed a Tyrell and this is his trophy.

  353. Jordan
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 12:35 am | Permalink

    Abyss,

    Yeah, that’s true. I kind of think that the explanation is some combination of “last minute selection” because it looks vaguely Arabic and the fact that it isn’t “that” strange for him to wear something with a flower on it, so long as it isn’t the Tyrell flower.

    Eljuma,

    On the other hand, this would be a cool explanation too.

  354. Greenjones
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I suggested on aFoIaF (under the name Konradsmith) that it might be his “trophy” as well. My thinking was that maybe the end result of his and Loras’s “flirtation” (alluded to by Finn Jones but of course not confirmed) would be his stealing of this pendant.

    In all likelihood it will barely be seen and won’t need explanation and we’re all wasting time over this because we can’t wait for next week’s fifteen minute feature…but that’s the justification I thought up, in case it is a Tyrell pendant.

  355. somuchforoldtown
    Posted February 3, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Maybe it’s because the Bran character is on a fast track to nowhere, and, Gods Willing, HBO will steer clear of the book’s character arc.

    Myrish Swampert,

  356. Morgan
    Posted February 4, 2014 at 1:56 am | Permalink

    I just noticed that they removed the photo of Arya and the Hound from the GoT facebook page. That’s a little strange.

  357. Ozymandias
    Posted February 4, 2014 at 3:38 am | Permalink

    Morgan,

    It is strange indeed. Maybe because of Needle.

  358. Morgan
    Posted February 4, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    Yeah, that’s true but she was using Needle in the trailer and I’m sure many people have noticed that by now.

  359. TheOnionKnight
    Posted February 5, 2014 at 8:24 am | Permalink

    is that fake straw night watchmen I see in Jon’s image or are they just practice dummies. cause i’m gonna be so excited if they are.

  360. Deathdreams
    Posted February 5, 2014 at 9:00 am | Permalink

    TheOnionKnight,

    I think hes just in the practice yard, cause that is the same padding they wore in season 1 while training with Aliser Thorne

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