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Game of Owns: Holy Drogon

Episode 195 – Holy Drogon

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February’s second Sunday brought forth a monster in your heroic hosts, please enjoy this special episode in the wake of dumbfounded excitement for HBO’s Ice and Fire: A Foreshadowing. Bring on Season 4!

 

 

Discussion Topics
Amazing, amazing feature
Glorious Brienne
DROGON and the GOAT
Steady OMGoT moments
Following up the Red Wedding
Tyrion and Jaime
Even better sets
Reads the Tweets

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  • Also, yes, you guys need to watch True Detective right now. This season is going to have to live up to that tracking shot.

  • Oberyn Didn’t kiss Shea, that was Elleria, a new character(I think… I’ll have to rewatch and double check now since you guys were so convinced that it was Shea)

  • That was Ellaria Sand. I wondered if unsullied would confuse those 2 since I thought she looked similar to Shae from the preview. Looks like I got my questions answered.

  • We can always depend on Eric to either completely miss everything, or see made up stuff.

    Drogon impaling “the dude” with his tail? Sure, why not.

  • I don’t think that Ellaria and Shae even look alike, apart from having the same hair and eye color (but not even the same skin tone).

  • Not really spoilers, but you see in the trailers that a big fight between the wildlings and Night’s Watch is on the horizon, an assault on Castle Black itself – you *see* this in the trailers.

    Generally, judging from the books….the comment that Finn Jones about this season not really building up to episode 9 but having a fair amount of OMG moments throughout: in the past, the big “episode 9″ stuff always happened in the Seven Kingdoms proper, so most of the cast knew what would happen. Finn Jones knew what the Battle of the Blackwater was because he took part in it.

    In contrast, we’ve got Daenerys off in Essos, and the Night’s Watch storyline at the Wall, which are *filmed in different countries*.

    So Finn is partly correct but also not. Yes, episode 9 will apparently be the big crux of the season’s storyarc….the *Night’s Watch* storyarc. But that’s separated from the events in King’s Landing and the rest of the Seven Kingdoms, for which Finn Jones comments will hold true.

    Note how Jaime and Daenerys and even Jon didn’t get much to do in Season 2, in terms of political impact and even screentime. They weren’t in book 2 that much (Jaime was barely in one chapter, Daenerys had barely four, Jon slightly more, but not as much impact).

    The three main storyarcs of the saga are the War of the Five Kings in the Seven Kingdoms, then the Targaryens, then the White Walkers. UP UNTIL NOW, the War of the Five Kings had the most focus. Now it’s sort of over (they’re mopping up, though)…..so the Night’s Watch storyarc and Targaryen storyarcs can get more focus.

    I mean, we didn’t even *see* Castle Black last season because they were doing so much on-location shooting. Which is impressive but….doesn’t really show us the “world” of “the Wall” as much.

    So the Night’s Watch stuff WILL have a climax, but you can see that from the trailers. The other stuff is more complicated.

  • Actually, in many ways, Season 4 is *absolutely* “what everything has been building to”.

    Recall that for the books….GRRM originally planned the story as a trilogy, though by the time he finished the first book he knew that was impossible.

    The entire storyline of what became the finished books “A Game of Thrones”, “A Clash of Kings”, and “A Storm of Swords”…..the storyline of all three books is what was originally outlined as “Book 1: A Game of Thrones”.

    So the climax of the third finished novel, “A Storm of Swords”, is actually the point when the first book was supposed to end.

    HOWEVER, remember that they split the third novel into TWO seasons because it’s so long. The Red Wedding happened in the MIDDLE of book 3, that’s why it was so shocking — part of me hoped they’d do it in episode 5, like Renly’s death, but fair enough, I understand that they needed a climax for episode 9 last season.

    Even so….storylines which began in the first novel find their climax in the *second* half of “A Storm of Swords”…..corresponding to Season 4.

    Heck, GRRM even originally wanted a five year time jump after book 3 ended…..imagine having a five year time jump between Seasons 4 and 5. They won’t do that because GRRM himself said he was just too tempted and didn’t want to skip five years of their lives in the books.

    But it all comes full circle by the end of book 3. “Only Cat”.

  • No. Oberyn kisses his lover Ellaria, not Shae. They do not look similar. I’m surprised you mistook them.

  • The Dragon Demands,

    There you go again saying “not really spoilers” – a tipoff that you are getting ready to spoil. Why do you feel you have to do this on every single post where there are Unsullied? Really – just stop…

  • The Dragon Demands:
    Dude, stuff from within the trailers itself can’t really be a spoiler.

    Actually it is, it’s not made exactly clear what’s going on. You just know what they’re showing because you know what it is. So quit being a douche.

    Why is Eric Scull such a flipping MOOOOOOOOORON

  • Carlos:
    Could we please stop hating on Eric?

    Yeah, guys. I mean, his quote about Dany’s dragons not going crazy because “C’mon, she’s their mother!” are super convincing and insightful.

  • All_Men_Must_Hodor: Yeah, guys.I mean, his quote about Dany’s dragons not going crazy because “C’mon, she’s their mother!” are super convincing and insightful.

    Let’s not forget he thought RV made out with Shae in front of Tyrion and that Book Shae would probably never do something like that. Or the fact he thought the dragon was impaling that guy with his tail.

    I think it just flat out needs to be said, I’ve never listened to Mugglecast but I’m sure Eric did great commenting and talking about something as simple as Harry Potter. But he just doesn’t have near the mental acuity to come off as anything other than a damn jabberwockie when he talks about GoT.

  • Do you know what is really insightful? Some random guys getting a hard-on from insulting people on the internet. Also very mature. Perhaps some of you should make your own show in which you just insult Eric, see how many listeners you get. People make mistakes. Don’t be a dick about it.

  • I love the commentaries from the unsullied. Oh to be a sweet summer child like Eric.

    This is the part where Tyrion made me cry instead of laugh. I think I memorized his entire quote. I can’t wait

  • Seriously, just stop the stupid Eric bashing. Most of the things he got wrong are completely understandable from the perspective of an Unsullied after watching the clip just once.
    Ellaria Sand is a new character and does kinda look like Shae in that half a second we saw her. I don’t think anyone predicted Dany loosing control of her dragons pre ADWD.

    Darkstar is the key:
    I mean he didn’t even see the damn dragon the first time he watched it.. HOW DO YOU MISS THAT?

    I guess you miss that by looking away for half a second, but of course that’s totally unforgivable on the internet.

  • Darkstar is the key,

    Where do you get off? Seriously. If you’re that much of a stickler, there are plenty of other pickier folks you could be following in the fandom. The heart of GOO is the earnest enthusiasm of the people involved, which, to me, speaks to the amazing galvanizing effect it’s had on audiences everywhere, audiences no one would have guessed even existed until the show actually hit. GOO was born of that phenomenon, not the scrutiny of the Old Fandom. If you haven’t caught onto that aspect of GOO, you’re either a new listener or haven’t listened between the lines.

    There’s a reason I don’t hang around Westeros.org. Even as someone with occasional misgivings about the show itself, the last thing I need is to surround myself with hypersensitive purists. The BEST thing about GOO is the hosts’ remarkable ability to take in ASOIAF in its various forms, on its various terms, and simply ENJOY it. Negativity like yours further proves how much of a gift that really is.

  • People, just be nice, please. There are polite ways to criticize as well.

    Micah as the reader should always be around to correct the others, though ;)

  • All_Men_Must_Hodor,

    Yeah, if you want to point out flaws in Eric’s logic, that’s obviously fine, but the people who are just saying “Eric is such a MORON!” are being pretty unhelpful and are just acting a bit childish.

    Yes, Eric is laughable wrong sometimes, but I think that’s the fun of listening to Unsullied talk: Have Gwendoline style laughs at how off they are, and then seeing their reaction when they find out the truth of things. However, I will admit things work out better when you have a sullied their to steer the conversations in the right direction.

  • sunspear:
    Also, yes, you guys need to watch True Detective right now. This season is going to have to live up to that tracking shot.

    When a scene can still make you feel suspense and fear for a character, even though you have the foreknowledge that there will be a favorable outcome for that character, it is a sign of extraordinary filmmaking. I don’t think we would have had the same effect without that continuous shot. Brilliant. Marty S. would be proud.

  • Dolorous Ned:
    Seriously, just stop the stupid Eric bashing.Most of the things he got wrong are completely understandable from the perspective of an Unsullied after watching the clip just once.
    Ellaria Sand is a new character and does kinda look like Shae in that half a second we saw her. I don’t think anyone predicted Dany loosing control of her dragons pre ADWD.

    I guess you miss that by looking away for half a second, but of course that’s totally unforgivable on the internet.

    This.

  • WompWomp:
    Darkstar is the key,

    Where do you get off? Seriously. If you’re that much of a stickler, there are plenty of other pickier folks you could be following in the fandom. The heart of GOO is the earnest enthusiasm of the people involved, which, to me, speaks to the amazing galvanizing effect it’s had on audiences everywhere, audiences no one would have guessed even existed until the show actually hit. GOO was born of that phenomenon, not the scrutiny of the Old Fandom. If you haven’t caught onto that aspect of GOO, you’re either a new listener or haven’t listened between the lines.

    There’s a reason I don’t hang around Westeros.org. Even as someone with occasional misgivings about the show itself, the last thing I need is to surround myself with hypersensitive purists. The BEST thing about GOO is the hosts’ remarkable ability to take in ASOIAF in its various forms, on its various terms, and simply ENJOY it. Negativity like yours further proves how much of a gift that really is.

    And also this.

  • Love the podcast guys, you make being at work more bearable. (That’s a great compliment by the way.)

    As a sidenote, after reading a few of them, I suggest not reading The Dragon Demands’ posts. The fun of watching this show to me before reading the books was both the anticipation and trying to connect the dots between all the plotlines. If anyone had tried to grab me by the hand and point out all the clues to me, to tell me when to expect plot events or endings without me even asking to, pulling out book info to back things up… well I can’t imagine anyone finding that enjoyable, just saying.

    Keep on podcasting :)

  • Thought this episode was fun precisely because Z & E are watching the preview without knowing what they’re seeing.
    The weirwood observation in the mailbag f’d me up a little, though… .
    True Detective hype’s so real.

  • Gatehouse Ami,

    I don’t see weirwood height being such an immersion-breaker. The climate beyond the Wall doesn’t strike me as accommodating and they seem to grow slowly anyway. Slower metabolism could mean longer life and less observable growth. They’re not exactly conventional trees.

  • Dolorous Ned,

    I believe the point that they were making is that it was a vapid justification for why they wouldn’t become a problem. No one is annoyed that he isn’t predict ingall the trouble that they would cause in Meereen. It’s not like they’re giant wild animals or anything. It’s not at all possible that Targaryen egotism is driving the character, and thus the audience, to perceive the dragons and her relationship to them in an inaccurate or unhealthy way. Nope. She’s their mother.

    And yes, in my opinion it is generally unacceptable to look away for half a second when it’s an activity that you chose to partake in. Why not give something your full attention when no one is forcing you to give it any attention at all? And when you can pause it if you do have to look away because life tends to interrupt leisurely activities?

  • I like that in most game of owns episode posts, the people who call for a ceasefire in the war on Eric assume that the aggressors are westeros.org dwellers who want a dissertation presented every episode and have an aneurysm when people call daenerys khaleesi. but they fail to realize zack doesn’t draw the same amount of vitriol. So if the issue was snobby uberfans masturbating furiously in their mothers’ basements(this seems to be how the eric defenders visualize the Eric haters), wouldn’t they be equally as short tempered with zack? This seems to be about a person not grasping simple things, and less about “getting a hard-on from insulting people,” as one so eloquently put it. As much as it may help you process that there are people who disagree with you, assuming that they are spiteful people who enjoy being mean does nothing to address their points.

    It’s late, so I don’t know how to words, but I will end by saying that I think the Eric bashers irritation is understandable but poorly .expressed. On the other hand, I don’t necessarily think they should stop either. When your create something for a mass audience you put yourself out there as vulnerable to criticism. The people doing the critiquing should be under no compulsion to keep that criticism kind or constructive. It just goes with the territory of producing or creating and then sharing that creation. As long as they’re not threatening your safety, they have that right, imo. Words are wind, right?

    Uh I guess my main point is to not make assumptions about those who have voiced their displeasure with him. The negativity is not necessarily indicative of a sadistic internet tough guy book purist snob.

  • Against my better judgement:

    who even?:
    This seems to be about a person not grasping simple things, and less about “getting a hard-on from insulting people,” as one so eloquently put it. As much as it may help you process that there are people who disagree with you, assuming that they are spiteful people who enjoy being mean does nothing to address their points.

    […]
    When your create something for a mass audience you put yourself out there as vulnerable to criticism. The people doing the critiquing should be under no compulsion to keep that criticism kind or constructive. It just goes with the territory of producing or creating and then sharing that creation. As long as they’re not threatening your safety, they have that right, imo. Words are wind, right?

    For me it’s about these people not being able to have any elementary respect for the effort put into these ‘things for a mass audience’. As I have stated before, I have absolutely no problem with criticism on any aspects of this podcast. I do have a problem with the manner in which these ‘critiques’ are put, which leads me to believe they have, in fact, absolutely nothing to do with rational arguments, but with a crusade by persons dying to be noticed in a huge fandom of which they believe to be a privileged partaker.

    Believe it or not, most fans of these series react in absolutely the same way as Eric upon their getting to know the books or series. Not because they are ‘morons’ or ‘don’t care’, but because they have other (and yes, better) things to worry about than being absolutely right in analyzing every specific detail of a freaking trailer. That’s why I enjoy the podcast in all its aspects, because it is so recognizable.

    If you have noticed that the GOO-crew at most have a very limited script (in order to retain the authenticity of their exchanges), and do this thrice a week besides having other things to do during their day, you cannot be but ashamed of certain comments here. Listeners don’t pay for it, only choose to listen. Making these things is hard, especially if you want it to sound as pleasant as it does. They always get compliments about sounding like a bunch of friends and yadayada, but even friends don’t always feel like talking as enthusiastically about the same subject over and over again thrice a week, especially if it’s every week while things can be happening in their personal lives. It takes effort, and most people can’t divide their effort equally into both the content and form. In keeping to this successful form, imo, it’s Eric and Selina who usually do the best job.

    So to answer the implicit question: yes, people should be more careful about keeping their criticism constructive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29M_VElHoFI). At least if they want to be taken somewhat seriously and are not just constipated middle-class cultural snobs with nothing better to do than appropriate the work of others (GRRM, D&D).

    Furthermore I apologize that my former insult was gender-biased (“hard-on”). Women, transgenders, … have equal possibilities for being dicks.

  • Thanks to everyone standing up to those who were being negative and rude. I absolutely love GOO and am so grateful to all of the hosts for dedicating so much time and effort to provide us with such wonderful podcasts three times a week. Each host brings an interesting and insightful perspective and all are amazingly funny and entertaining. Thanks especially to Eric and Zack for providing us with an extra podcast this week when they were supposed to be taking a break! <3 I loved it!

  • Leif,

    Pointing out a person is consistently wrong on everything every single time does not make me an asshole. Means I have functioning ears.

    Grow a spine.

  • Renly’s Peach:
    Leif,

    Pointing out a person is consistently wrong on everything every single time does not make me an asshole. Means I have functioning ears.

    Grow a spine.

    Or it means you need to take a chill pill and get a hobby.