Here is your season 4 writers breakdown
By Winter Is Coming on in News.

We’ve known that George R. R. Martin will be writing episode 2 of season 4 for quite some time. We’ve also known that Bryan Cogman will be writing two episodes this season, but not which ones. And, of course, we know that David Benioff & D.B. Weiss will be writing the bulk of the season. But now, thanks to our sources, we can reveal exactly which episodes are Bryan’s and which are David & Dan’s. Here is the Game of Thrones season 4 writer breakdown:

Ep. 401: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 402: George R. R. Martin
Ep. 403: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 404: Bryan Cogman
Ep. 405: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 406: Bryan Cogman
Ep. 407: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 408: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 409: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Ep. 410: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss

Combined with the full directors roster released earlier by HBO, here are your writing and directing credits for season 4.

Episode 401
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Directors: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss

Episode 402
Writer: George R. R. Martin
Director: Alex Graves

Episode 403
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Alex Graves

Episode 404
Writer: Bryan Cogman
Director: Michelle MacLaren

Episode 405
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Michelle MacLaren

Episode 406
Writer: Bryan Cogman
Director: Alik Sakharov

Episode 407
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Alik Sakharov

Episode 408
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Alex Graves

Episode 409
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Neil Marshall

Episode 410
Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
Director: Alex Graves

Winter Is Coming: Now all we are missing are the episode titles. I’ve heard those are still being decided on. Hopefully we will get the list soon. Which writer/director combo has you most excited?


212 Comments

  1. GeekFurious
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    39 HODORS sitting in a tree.

  2. arden
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    they’re writing the last 4 episodes? my god. hooray for 2,4,6,7 (sakharov)

  3. outdoorcats
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:56 pm | Permalink

    And this is why I love this site. NICE! And bring on more Season 4 news!

  4. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    “OH NO NOW D & D WILL TOTALLY DEFINITELY RUIN EVERYTHING” lol prophecy of the rest of the 658457215 comments this post will get

  5. outdoorcats
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    I really want to see Martin/Graves and Cogman/MacLaren

  6. paprikacrocante
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    OMG George is writing the purple wedding….

  7. ebevan91
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Episode titles should be coming soon, no?

    We got them, IIRC, on the last day of February last year.

  8. Carrie Meathrell
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Ep 2 is definitely the Purple Wedding, then. COOL COOL COOL.

  9. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Episode 406
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Alik Sakharov

    Can’t wait! *_____________*

  10. arden
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Eyes,

    for sure, probably best episode of the season

  11. Ryan
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Episode 9. Neil Marshall is directing. We all saw Blackwater from season 2. It’s going to be epic!

  12. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    arden:
    Valyrian Eyes,

    for sure, probably best episode of the season

    Last year Sakharov’s episodes were my favorites, direction-wise

  13. Chris
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:06 pm | Permalink

    Geez, would it hurt them to have a female writer somewhere in there?

  14. Balerion
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    What epusodes did Sakharov direct for season 3?

  15. Jenn
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    I wish it was Bryan writing seven episodes instead tbh. And Vanessa will be missed.

  16. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    We’ve surmised for some time that George was doing the PW but now we know what Cogman got up to. From the Foreshadowing feature we saw that Tyrion’s trial and “guilty of being a dwarf” speech was in ep. 6, so they gave him something pretty good as far as iconic scenes go. Also according to the leaked call sheet, Jon’s raid on Craster’s Keep will be in ep. 4, so they let him get his hands on some of the invented material as well. This is also confirmed by Morag Craster and Rast the traitorous son of a bitch featuring in a Michelle MacLaren directed episode.

  17. Winter Is Coming
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    Chris, this is the first season where they don’t have a female writer. Hopefully they can add one for season 5. At least Michelle MacLaren is back in the directors chair this season.

  18. Dormer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Can we pleease get those episodes titles? The wait for them is killing me…

  19. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm | Permalink

    Balerion:
    What epusodes did Sakharov direct for season 3?

    Just correcting myself: it was only one, “The Climb”

  20. Joshua Atreides
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    4×07, 4×08, 4×09,4×10: Sakharov, Graves, Marshall, Graves. Awesome.

    And indeed cue the haters on Benioff/Weiss writing the last four episodes. This comment section is going to become a shitstorm.

  21. Balerion
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Eyes,

    Thanks,

    The Climb was very underrated, great episode!

  22. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Balerion:
    Valyrian Eyes,

    Thanks,

    The Climb was very underrated, great episode!

    Couldn’t agree more, I think his use of close-ups was awesome

  23. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:17 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    Jenn,

    We certainly need a female writer, but not necessarily Vanessa. Jane Espenson did a great job with D&D on A Golden Crown. I think they even admitted she came up with “Not today” and they all wrote around it. Maybe some of the other producers credited could go into the writing process as well, so long as they didn’t think up “Pod the Rod” or “Rennick’s Guff”.

  24. Nick_Scryer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:18 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to every episode. Can’t wait for the episode titles!!

  25. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Also it will be the first time that Cogan has written Dany scenes (her scenes in Kissed By Fire were written by D and D). You know how I know this because this fellow who I’ve linked via three sources is the slave master being mobbed by slaves in the trailer. That means Cogman got his hands on some Meereen as well.

  26. Jaqen is Q
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    If Beniof and Weiss were really as bad as people say, how could the show have done this well?

  27. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    So BCog penned episode 6 and 4. 6 may well contain the siege of Meereen, 4 will have whatever happens in Craster’s keep… D&D are greedy! They kept all the best stuff for themselves with the last 3 episodes! I was expecting BCog to be the writer of episode 8.

  28. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Eyes: Couldn’t agree more, I think his use of close-ups was awesome

    Co-sign. Really solid episode. Chaosh is a ladda…

  29. loki
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Nice. Looks like all the filler was given to Bryan, so all the good parts would be D&Ds to ruin. I’d hate to see good parts ruined by Bryan. He’s such a cool guy.
    Eh, at least there’s no Vanessa Taylor.

  30. Valyrian Eyes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q:
    If Beniof and Weiss were really as bad as people say, how could the show have done this well?

    I believe some people consider a mere tv show to be some sort of world conspiracy with the exclusive purpose of making them unhappy, instead of an artistic endeavour which, for all intents and purposes, belongs to the people who create it.

  31. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:22 pm | Permalink

    Balerion,

    Agreed. And the directing in it was fantastic. Can’t wait to see what Sakarov has in store for season 4. My guess is the siege of Meereen for episode 6. That shit in the trailer looked on par with some of The Climb’s awesome shots.

  32. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    They are greedy but understandably so. Imagine being the two guys that got ASOIAF made for tv and not writing those episodes! It is their right.

  33. Summer is Coming
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    While the Martin/Graves pairing is something to look up to, I wish we also had a Cogman/Graves pairing like last year (“Kissed by Fire”). This year Alex Graves has a huge spotlight with episodes 2, 3, 8 and 10.. major events he had his hands on! I really believe that, like Ep 4 last year (wich was also a D&D/Graves ep), this year Ep 8 especially will be quite something to behold! (RV vs. the M) Not even daring to talk about the PW, wich, from the trailer, seems spectacular!

    I wonder what events Cogman will cover? Those are middle episodes.. hmm.

    And regarding a female writer, totally agree. Jane Espenson did a fantastic job with “A Golden Crown”. It was the episode that got me hooked. They should bring her back. Vanessa Taylor wasn’t very good imo. She was quite OK with “Dark Wings, Dark Words”, but her episodes in S2 weren’t that good. Only the shadow baby saved ep 4 then. :(

  34. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    True. They made this beast be, and they deserve to reap the rewards.

  35. VJ Stark
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:28 pm | Permalink

    Jaqen is Q:
    If Beniof and Weiss were really as bad as people say, how could the show have done this well?

    The irony here is that the whiners don’t realize (or don’t want to admit to themselves) that the only ending they’re getting of the ASOIAF saga is via D&D and HBO.

    Can’t wait for next year when they pass the books and the hot mess known as A Dance with Dragons (the title!).

  36. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    C’mon, why not just turn this into an episode titles guesses thread? Here are mine, differing from ones from a few days ago, but whatever:

    1 — The Dornish Marches
    2 — Lives of Four Kings
    3 — Knight of the Kingsguard
    4 — The Sword in the Darkness
    5 — This Lord and That Lord
    6 — Hear Me Roar
    7 — The Weeping Water
    8 — Some Dead Man
    9 — The Watchers on the Wall
    10 — A Cat of a Different Cloak, or perhaps The Narrow Sea, or A Golden Chain

  37. Nick_Scryer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:31 pm | Permalink

    Don’t know if anyone noticed or if it has been posted before but I just seen that Joseph Gatt’s role on Imdb has been updated to say Thenn Warg. We knew he’d be playing a Thenn but the Warg part is new to me.

  38. Summer is Coming
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:32 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Combined with Varamyr?

  39. Hizdar for President
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:35 pm | Permalink

    Alex Graves rules!!! I expect episodes 402 and 410 to be the best of the season.

  40. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Hizdar for President,

    I expect 410 to the be the best episode of the show itself.

  41. Ozymandias
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Looking forward to Ep.2, 4, 6, 8, 9 and 10 !

    I think the weakest episodes are going to be 1 and 7.

  42. Turncloak
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Episode 4: cogman and mclaren
    Episode 9: D&D and Neil Marshall

    :-)

  43. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    Chris,

    I’d prefer them keeping talented writers rather than having female writers just for the sake of having female writers. I trust they’ve enlisted writers who are talented enough and were available.

  44. Canis Dirus
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I like all of those. Though I am hoping for “You Know Nothing” for the ep. 9 title. Doesn’t seem likely compared to other episode titles though.

    They also tend to make the ep. 10 title very exotic and ominous, but I don’t have any ideas… Though I do like “Hands of Gold” or the even less likely possibility “Even Moon Boy…” haha

  45. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Canis Dirus:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    I like all of those. Though I am hoping for “You Know Nothing” for the ep. 9 title. Doesn’t seem likely compared to other episode titles though.

    They also tend to make the ep. 10 title very exotic and ominous, but I don’t have any ideas… Though I do like “Hands of Gold” or the even less likely possibility “Even Moon Boy…” haha

    Yeah, You Know Nothing might be best saved for another time, and “The Dornish Marches” for 4/1 seems probably to be a bit too small-bore to cover the same kind of territory as “The North Remembers” and “Valar Dohaeris” does, so it might have to be grander, even if it’s something generic like “Mother of Dragons,” or something. I think if I had a wish to be correct on one, it would be Lives of Four Kings.

  46. Ozymandias
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    I was expecting that also. Oh well.

  47. oierem
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    Cogman wrote scenes for Dany in the first season.

  48. Al Swearengen
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Wish they’d allow Bryan Cogman to cover more episodes.

  49. Mark
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:15 pm | Permalink

    Ok, realistically, at this point, what do we think about Lady Stoneheart?
    I mean, she’s pretty damn important to the plot especially later in Brienne and Jaime’s story lines I don’t see how it can be left out.

  50. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen,

    Me too. Then maybe people would get off of D&D’s backs once Cogman wrote a less than stellar episode, which odds would dictate he would. For all the hate D&D receive, they have been responsible for many more great episodes than poor ones. Yet people never acknowledge those, they only focus on the few clunkers.

  51. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    Yeah, the only reason I believe she will be included is because of how big a role she plays in the future of Jaime and Brienne’s storyline. If not for that I think she would be excluded from the show.

  52. Lord Davos
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:33 pm | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    Not if the intro to Oberyn is in the first episode.
    My bet is 5 being weak, and then going up from there.
    oierem,

    They do

  53. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    oierem,

    Shit, you’re right. You got me. First time in a while anyhow. He’s said in the past that he prefers writing more conflicted characters like Jon and Theon and has trouble with leadership-oriented ones like Robb and Dany. But you’re right, there were Dany scenes in Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things.

  54. ebevan91
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:46 pm | Permalink

    Ozymandias:
    Looking forward to Ep.2, 4, 6, 8, 9 and 10 !

    I think the weakest episodes are going to be 1 and 7.

    I’ll make my predictions on weak/strong episodes once we get episode titles.

  55. Leo
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Mark,

    Yeah, the only reason I believe she will be included is because of how big a role she plays in the future of Jaime and Brienne’s storyline. If not for that I think she would be excluded from the show.

    I do not understand how some perceive Lady Stoneheart as a minor, cuttable character. She was always going to be a major player no matter what, seeing as she was introduced in the friggin epilogue of the most climactic book so far. Why do that, if she was to be some background-revenge killer with no impact on any of the main (POV) characters?

    It’s already been setup, with in S2E5 Catelyn swearing to Brienne that she will ask nothing of her that may bring her dishonor.

  56. Lord Davos
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:57 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    She is just a corpse barbarian.

  57. cosca
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 5:58 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I personally think that Cripples, Bastards and Broken Things is a pretty weak episode.

  58. Anne
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:05 pm | Permalink

    I think I already know which episode will be my favorite one this season:

    Episode 404
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Michelle MacLaren

  59. Nezzer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Anne:
    I think I already know which episode will be my favorite one this season:

    Episode 404
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Michelle MacLaren

    I bet that’s where Tyrion’s trial is happening.

  60. Varamyr 4 skins
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Eyes,

    Sorry I’m full blooded sullied, ready every book and watched all episodes, please elaborate what makes episode 6 so anticipated?

  61. matt
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:13 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    i was convinced the final scene of S3 was going to be Beric and Thoros finding her body in the river and bringing her back to life. Like she opens her eyes and screams, and then cut to black and credits. That would’ve been an insane ending to the season, but alas instead we got Dany crowd surfing. So lame. So so lame.

  62. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    D& d are greedy. Why did vanessa taylor leave? Do we know?

  63. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,
    Varamyr 4 skins,

    In the Foreshadowing feature it was visible on the clapper thingmy that Tyrion`s trial would be in that ep. with Cesei`s testimony and Tyion`s “guilty of being a dwarf“ bit.

  64. King of the Ashes
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe:
    Chris,

    I’d prefer them keeping talented writers rather than having female writers just for the sake of having female writers. I trust they’ve enlisted writers who are talented enough and were available.

    Exactly

  65. cosca
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:17 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    Greedy? They run the show. They’re the main reason it exists. Of course they should get the most episodes.

  66. Arkash
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    D&D will rock this out ! They’re the ones responsible for this fucking amazing show ! I trust them ! So glad, also, Bryan got two episodes this year !

    Come on, bring on the titles, now !

  67. Varamyr 4 skins
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Thank you very much, it’s frustrating when u ask a question and get no response. Then ur right my friend should make for an epic episode and some good fun

  68. Ashara D
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe,

    Yes, but…for those of us females that have been largely ignored as fantasy lovers (ie. fantasy is for teenage boys playing D&D) and for all of the fantastic female fantasy writers from the 70s on up, I would think that D & D and HBO would put a little effort into representing the true nature of the fantasy fan base.
    *steps off box*

  69. pntrlqst
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    I really hope Cogman has “Oathkeeper” with the white book scene and Jaime/Brienne. He seems made for that material.

  70. Varamyr 4 skins
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Yea idk who that guy thinks he is saying their greedy. He should be on his hands and knees kissing their shoes thanking them. I personally hate ppl who complain about them and the show as well as at grrm and telling him to hurry up and finish the books. Ppl need to respect the fact they r bringing these amazing things into one world and on tv, first world problems my friend

  71. Hounded
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:32 pm | Permalink

    Best combinations –

    Episode 402
    Writer: George R. R. Martin
    Director: Alex Graves

    Episode 404
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Michelle MacLaren

    Episode 405
    Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
    Director: Michelle MacLaren

    Episode 406
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Alik Sakharov

    Episode 409
    Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
    Director: Neil Marshall

    Now I want episode names!
    The Sword in the Darkness…

  72. Eric G
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:35 pm | Permalink

    Some great fan made trailers (non-spoiler) have appeared on youtube. They’re re-edits of the previous promos but they seem good enough to be mistaken for the real HBO trailers.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTuhUQldeEQ&index=2&list=LLsYU-azhGV5TV8XZGsaN3dQ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTuhUQldeEQ&index=2&list=LLsYU-azhGV5TV8XZGsaN3dQ

  73. Arkash
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:39 pm | Permalink

    pntrlqst:
    I really hope Cogman has “Oathkeeper” with the white book scene and Jaime/Brienne. He seems made for that material.

    White Book scene and Oathkeeper are most definitly in episode 1 (Joffrey still there in the scene), so I dont think so !

  74. BowedBent&Broken
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Episode title predictions:

    1 Nymeria
    2 Widow’s Wail
    3 Valonqar
    4 But first, we’ll live.
    5 Words are Wind
    6 Growing Strong
    7 Mother of Dragons
    8Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
    9 The Sword in the Darkness
    10 A Lion Still Has Claws

  75. Annara Snow
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    matt:
    Mark,

    i was convinced the final scene of S3 was going to be Beric and Thoros finding her body in the river and bringing her back to life. Like she opens her eyes and screams, and then cut to black and credits. That would’ve been an insane ending to the season, but alas instead we got Dany crowd surfing. So lame. So so lame.

    Why would they have done that? GRRM didn’t do that, either. Why ruin the surprise of Lady Stoneheart, and so early – just an episode after the Red Wedding, while everyone is still shocked by her death? GRRM smartly waited until the end of the book, after a bunch of other shocking things have happened, and people have had the time to process Cat’s death.

  76. Lonestarr1337
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Good to see Bryan Cogman getting two episodes this season. He’s a talented writer, and I respect his dedication to keeping the show reasonably true to the source material.

  77. GeekFurious
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    BowedBent&Broken:
    Episode title predictions:

    1 Nymeria
    2 Widow’s Wail
    3 Valonqar
    4 But first, we’ll live.
    5Words are Wind
    6 Growing Strong
    7 Mother of Dragons
    8Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
    9 The Sword in the Darkness
    10 A Lion Still Has Claws

    Nope.

  78. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:01 pm | Permalink

    Arkash,

    That depends what you mean by Oathkeeper. If you mean the scene where Jaime receives the blade from Tywin, then you’re right that will certainly be in ep. 1. The scene where Jaime gives Brienne Oathkeeper however will be after the PW/ep. 2, so there’s a good chance it could be in Cogman’s ep. 4.

  79. Andrew
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Well said.

    I kind of have to take extreme objection to the folks who were (and still are) screaming that Lady S should have been introduced at the end of Season 3. Yes, I think she is too important to be cut from the story; and yes, you can absolutely object to Dany’s crowdsurfing (although I personally loved that scene because of Djawadi’s score and the majesty of that final shot). But there is ABSOLUTELY no way Benioff and Weiss could have resurrected her just ONE week after the Red Wedding. It would have almost COMPLETELY have undercut that episode’s impact. The SoS epilogue was so powerful precisely because Martin waited 500 pages. I’m positive that we will get a variation of that scene to close out Season 4. I understand people are impatient for all the cool stuff from the 2nd half of Storm. But I just have to vehemently disagree with the idea that she should have appeared at the end of Season 3. That just wasn’t going to happen. And I’m so glad it didn’t.

  80. arden
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr 4 skins,

    Cogman and Sakharov

  81. Sandor Claws
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:12 pm | Permalink

    Most excited by:

    Episode 402
    Writer: George R. R. Martin
    Director: Alex Graves

    Also excited by:

    Episode 406
    Writer: Bryan Cogman
    Director: Alik Sakharov

    Episode 407
    Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
    Director: Alik Sakharov

    Episode 409
    Writers: David Benioff & D.B. Weiss
    Director: Neil Marshall

  82. Jaybob
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Ye Olde Wolfe,

    Because a woman writer can bring in a new perspective. Especially for the female. Very few male writers, no matter how talented understand women.

    But even then it’s good to have a difference of perspective for everything. A black writer may look at things differently.

    And there are plenty woman as good as guys.

  83. Mister Stark
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 7:56 pm | Permalink

    I wonder AFTER season four will Larry be sad he gave up on GoT????

  84. Joshua Atreides
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    Mister Stark,

    I would think after the producers of the show sent him a a poster of Ned Stark he would have given the creators/GRRM the benefit of the doubt where the story was going. Because that was his main beef with the show in season 3 and his subsequent abandoning of it; He thought he knew better than the writers of the show and Martin himself. He just comes off like an entitled prick to me.

  85. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:06 pm | Permalink

    matt:
    Mark,

    i was convinced the final scene of S3 was going to be Beric and Thoros finding her body in the river and bringing her back to life. Like she opens her eyes and screams, and then cut to black and credits. That would’ve been an insane ending to the season, but alas instead we got Dany crowd surfing. So lame. So so lame.

    It was the only disappointment of the season for me besides the Pod sex jokes.

  86. Harry Lime
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:14 pm | Permalink

    My title choices:

    1. Seven Hells

    2. Spoils of War

    3. You Know Nothing

    4. The Bells of Baelor

    5. A Thousand Eyes and One

    6. Kinslayer

    7. Breaker of Chains

    8. Gods and Men

    9. The Shield That Guards the Realms of Men

    10. Wherever Whores Go; or The Stranger

  87. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Mister Stark:
    I wonder AFTER season four will Larry be sad he gave up on GoT????

    Larry? I must be missing something. Who’s that?

  88. Joshua Atreides
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:17 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    I agree. And I am adherent that she has a role to play with Jon Snow. It would be a wonderful completion of Cat’s overall arc. Perhaps she passes her lifeforce to Jon after his “death” (after being stored in ice of course). Part of me wants her to be the Valonquar and end with hanging Mad Queen Cersei from a tree. How it will go down? I don’t know.

  89. House Mormont
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:23 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming: Jane Espenson did a fantastic job with “A Golden Crown”. It was the episode that got me hooked

    literally the same, up until then I was intrigued but unsure about the show, knowing nothing about it beforehand.

    Also, I’m unsure about Sakharov, I’m sure his directing is very good, but it broke the house style and precedent of Game of Thrones quite a lot in The Climb. With the climb sequence split up into three and seperated through the episode, and the final Littlefinger speech playing over him different things, including a chronological jump where he’s leaving the city. I just hope he keeps with GoT’s chronological straight forward style this time.

  90. House Mormont
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    ps I just chain watched all of Season 3 again today because I’m ill, it really is such a good season, all the slow paced scenes definitely pay off in the end.

    1) All of the Tyrell (except Loras) made up material was so good, I can’t wait to see their perspective in Season 4, especially after the PW

    2) Wow Gilly’s character is such an eye roller, it’s made me 320% sure I want Penny to be cut.

  91. Boojam
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Have to wonder if George was offered episode 9 and turned it down?
    Season 2 he saw his teleplay for Blackwater modified somewhat.
    Maybe he insisted that those who should be wearing helms, wear helms!

  92. Greenjones
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 9:16 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Yeah, who the hell is Larry? The Cable Guy? Larry David? Larry King?

  93. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Quick Google search linked me to this guy who did YouTube video reviews and became kinda famous when his response to Ned’s death was… something else.

    I watched his Red Wedding review and he was kinda disappointed (he had already been spoiled).

  94. bgap
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 9:50 pm | Permalink

    Mark,

    My hope is that LS is introduced earlier in this season, perhaps with her face partially hidden, and the reveal of who LS really is happens at the end of the season. Not sure how this would be done, given flashbacks are never used. Looking forward to massive numbers of non book readers having their minds blown, like my wife.

  95. bgap
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I agree. I wanted and expected LS to be the final image of season 3. That and maybe one less Theon torture porn scene and it would’ve been a flawless season for me.

  96. bgap
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 10:06 pm | Permalink

    Andrew,

    I have to wonder if they actually shot the LS scene during season 3 production and decided to hold off on using it until season 4. Is there a chance it will be a cold opening for season 4, or perhaps used at the end of the ep 1? (Echoing the Barristan reveal from season 3 ep 1) The problem as I see it, waiting until the END of the season is that so much time has passed, not just story time, but also real time for viewers.

  97. Andrew
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    bgap,

    At this point, I wouldn’t count on seeing the resurrection onscreen. I really do think that the Lady S reveal will be the final scene of the season, probably using the Brienne scene from Feast in place of the actual Book 3 epilogue. I’m not worried about the length of time passing; I don’t think casual viewers would have forgotten Catelyn or what happened to her. I AM, however, worried about stuff like Jon Arryn’s murder or who sent the assassin to kill Bran with Littlefinger’s knife…THAT was long ago, possibly too long. But maybe the writers will find ways to insert lines here or there as reminders.

  98. Arthur
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 10:33 pm | Permalink

    Off Topic:

    ‘Vikings’ season 2 premier is tomorrow at 10pm eastern, please watch and support this series, I love it…

    It’s kind of like GoT but with a more concentrated cast and storylines and with much less fantasy elements…

    It’s my personal belief that ‘Vikings’ can be considered the first GoT spinoff in some ways… And it will hold me off a little while before GoT airs.

    Just wanted to let y’all know it starts tomorrow night in case you were interested.

  99. Leo
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    While I personally think S4 is the better idea, there were very good points for LS to happen in S3.

    1) The title was “Mhysa.” Some titles have double meanings. Robb’s last word was “Mother” as he looked at Catelyn.
    2) It made thematic sense with the Brotherhood Without Banners, who had previously been talking about resurrection with Arya. And it would have showed that they were still continuing the fight after the Red Wedding.
    3) “For The Realm” on the S3 soundtrack hadn’t yet (and still hasn’t) played in the show, and sounded perfect for a scene where Beric resurrects Cat.

    I like this YT comment: The song is called For the Realm. The Brotherhood Without Banners fight for the realm and the good of the people. Beric will probably say resurrecting Cat is for the realm.

  100. Felt Pelt
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Leo,

    I agree, it seems like they at least filmed it, planned to use it, then scrapped it.

    The reveal would work just as well as a supernatural stinger at the end of season 4. We could see the finding of the body by Thoros and Beric through Arya’s wolf-dream at any point during the season.

  101. GeekFurious
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Arthur:
    Off Topic:

    ‘Vikings’ season 2 premier is tomorrow at 10pm eastern, please watch and support this series, I love it…

    It’s kind of like GoT but with a more concentrated cast and storylines and with much less fantasy elements…

    VIKINGS is nothing like GOT. It shouldn’t even be uttered in the same sentence. This is lunacy. Also, it is mostly fantasy since it is barely based on fact.

  102. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:50 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Al Swearengen,

    Me too. Then maybe people would get off of D&D’s backs once Cogman wrote a less than stellar episode, which odds would dictate he would. For all the hate D&D receive, they have been responsible for many more great episodes than poor ones. Yet people never acknowledge those, they only focus on the few clunkers.

    Second Sons was awesome.

  103. Shannon
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:52 pm | Permalink

    Personally, I think season four will end with Lady Stoneheart’s introduction. The idea that some could think her a minor character who might be cut from the show is unfathomable to me, especially when they’re making characters like Ygritte or Oberyn out to be gigantic players. I envision an ending with Jon Snow’s being made Lord Commander, followed by Tyrion and Arya sailing away on their respective journeys, followed by some goofy, irrelevant, obligatory Dany scene, followed by a dark and sudden switch to a scene in which people are being hung in a dark forest or something of the like and a slow pan up to Stoneheart’s face.

  104. Shannon
    Posted February 26, 2014 at 11:57 pm | Permalink

    Is anyone else extremely worried by the fact that the PW/Tyrion trial is being dragged out so long? Like the entire season long? There is absolutely no reason to drag out Joff’s death, Tyrion’s trial and then kinslaying for NINE episodes. I was thinking four, tops. How is he going to be sitting in a cell for 8 episodes? They’re going to have to make up an AWFUL lot of material, which really bothers me. I also don’t think there should be as much emphasis placed on this when there’s so much else going on at the Wall, the Eyrie, etc.

  105. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:00 am | Permalink

    Also a bit disappointed about the emphasis placed on RV/M. Not an episode-ender if you ask me, just a fun little scene. Especially because most show-watchers only probably couldn’t even tell you who M is if they saw him.

  106. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:07 am | Permalink

    Harry Lime,

    Your titles are great, but they’re a bit mixed up. Here are mine:

    1- Crossroads- it seems this scene will be happening rather early and that the Hound will survive it
    2- The Bells of Baelor- the wedding is in episode 2. The episode begins and ends with the bells
    3- Kingslayer- focuses and Roose, Tyrion and Jamie as well as the mystery of who really killed Joffrey (Littlefinger and the Tyrells)
    4- Vengeance- some Oberyn stuff, Yara attacks the Dreadfort, Jon attacks the mutineers, Daario fights the champion of Meereen
    5- Breaker of Chains- the siege of Meereen
    6- Trials- Jon gets questioned by Slynt and Thorne, Tyrion’s big trial
    7- don’t know…
    8- The Snake and the Mountain
    9- Fire and Ice/The Watcher on the Walls
    10- Only a Cat of a Different Coat- Stoneheart, Only Cat, Tyrion tunes in to his dark side and offs his daddy

  107. Awake Iron!
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Larry Williams from Otaku Assemble (YT)

  108. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    matt,

    I strongly agree that the crowd surfing scene was by far the weakest season ender and one of the weakest episode-enders, but I think what made LS so shocking for me was just that, the shock. I think seeing it being done would completely diminish if not ruin any kind of surprise or mind-blowing associated with it. I think they’ve got to show us the finished product and then explain the “how” in season five.

  109. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    Shannon,

    Yeah, I disagree on both counts, quite vehemently. Hardly anything happened in KL last season and it was still very entertaining, and now you add Jaime and the RV to the mix. There will be plenty of intrigue in KL to fill out an entire season, even with Tyrion in prison for 7 episodes(episode 9 is exclusively at the Wall).

  110. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:27 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I guess my issue isn’t that I don’t think it will be entertaining, but that I feel like they’re missing out on some really great stuff to add and drag out some less great stuff.

    But this is an issue I’ve always had with the show – it’ll never come close to the books in my mind because they tend to create and lengthen out so much irrelevant, dull material and characters and override with it and diminish big events and people. But let’s be real, it’s still better than anything else out there so I can’t really complain.

  111. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:29 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer:
    So BCog penned episode 6 and 4. 6 may well contain the siege of Meereen, 4 will have whatever happens in Craster’s keep… D&D are greedy! They kept all the best stuff for themselves with the last 3 episodes! I was expecting BCog to be the writer of episode 8.

    Dany taking Mereen in episode 6? Man that’s late, I certainely hope not. What will she do for (let’s say) 4 episodes beside making pretty eyes at Daario, the Champion of Mereen? I guess they can do the totally akward and innapropriate kiss with Jorah. My take is episode 4, Alex Graves directed Dracrays, he will direct the taking of Mereen. But it could totally be episode 6 by the way.

    loki:
    Nice. Looks like all the filler was given to Bryan, so all the good parts would be D&Ds to ruin. I’d hate to see good parts ruined by Bryan. He’s such a cool guy.
    Eh, at least there’s no Vanessa Taylor.

    DUDE! Did you watch the ”Rains of Castamere”? Cause David and Dan wrote that episode, and they hit a homerun. It wasn’t perfect (especially Dany’s part with the 3-man commando against hundreds of soldiers) but they can write some pretty good suff. And it ain’t only that episode, they can write some really good dialogue. Mhysa’s council meeting is a good exemple. But once again, only my opinion.

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    C’mon, why not just turn this into an episode titles guesses thread? Here are mine, differing from ones from a few days ago, but whatever:

    1 —The Dornish Marches
    2 — Lives of Four Kings
    3 — Knight of the Kingsguard
    4 — The Sword in the Darkness
    5 — This Lord and That Lord
    6 — Hear Me Roar
    7 — The Weeping Water
    8 — Some Dead Man
    9 — The Watchers on the Wall
    10 — A Cat of a Different Cloak, or perhaps The Narrow Sea, or A Golden Chain

    Niiiiiice :) ”Hear me Roar” is for what event though? Trial?

  112. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    This may have come across as me saying that Tyrion’s season 4 arc is irrelevant, which I didn’t mean as it absolutely isn’t, I just meant it as a generalization.

  113. TheMannis
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    D&D better not mess up Episode 9…I trust their vision, their episodes last season were great.

  114. Leo
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:33 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    With Tyrion on trial for so long, the show can focus better on KL’s expansive cast, like Tommen becoming king. For a show all about the Iron Throne, we have zero character development on our next king. I’m not even sure if most casual viewers are actively aware Joffrey has a younger brother. but I do agree with you that individually, Tyrion’s arc pacing seems blasphemous as of now.

  115. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:38 am | Permalink

    Leo,
    I do hope they use this opportunity to introduce Tommen a little more, I hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps his love of cats. I’ve been watching with a non-book reader lately and in the what… 2? Episodes that Tommen and Myrcella have been on screen I’ve been asked “who those little kids are.” I’d also like to get some more Margaery character development out of this. But I suppose I’m just worried that the overarching focus of this season will be on KL, and I feel like that is absolutely NOT the case in the second half of SOS.

  116. Awake Iron!
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:59 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    As far as we know, Joff’s death won’t be dragged out. It will happen in episode 2, just three episodes after the Red Wedding. Roughly equivalent to the books: Joff’s death is nine chapters after the RW. And take into account you need episode 1 to be focused on introducing the Red Viper to the viewers. So it makes sense.
    After that, a lot of stuff happens: Tyrion is accused and arrested, all of the people paid by Cersei to lie, Pycelle, Shae humiliating him, Oberyn visiting him and offering to fight for him, trial by combat, and being freed the night before execution. In the meanwhile, a lot of things happen in King’s Landing: Sansa being smuggled, Tommen’s ascension, Jaime being Lord Commander, rejecting Cersei’s advances, reintroducing a recast Gregor Clegane, Jaime sending Brienne away with Oathkeeper, etc, etc.
    About the kinslaying scene, we are speculating it will be in episode 10, but we might well be in the wrong here, and it could be in episode 8. Who knows.
    So if we had Ned Stark in a dungeon for 3 episodes, I don’t see why we couldn’t have the Imp for 5, while a load of other wonderful stuff is on.

  117. Sean C.
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:16 am | Permalink

    Shannon:
    But I suppose I’m just worried that the overarching focus of this season will be on KL, and I feel like that is absolutely NOT the case in the second half of SOS.

    Of course the overarching focus of the season will be in King’s Landing. King’s Landing got the most screentime even last year, when there was very little happening there.

  118. barak
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:29 am | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    “Representing the fan base”? This is about who WRITES the episodes, not about the fans. (How would a female writer even represent the female fan base?)

  119. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    I don’t think Tyrion’s arc will seemed dragged out. Here’s how it might play out:

    1) Set up for PW
    2) PW
    3) Tywin visits Tyrion in prison and makes it clear he will not help
    4) Trial begins, Shae testifies against him and Tyrion realizes he’s screwed
    5) Oberyn visits and agrees to be his champion
    6) They gather for the second part of the trial and Oberyn announces he will champion Tyrion
    7) Oberyn/Mountain fight
    8) Tyrion waits for execution. Jaime visits
    9) No Tyrion scene
    10) Hands of gold are always cold

  120. Chriss
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:57 am | Permalink

    I find it really weird that there’s a stunning amount of hate for for D & D. It’s great that they care enough to make their authorial hand felt. Who would want show runners who’re just like ‘Yeah, anybody’ll do’. They clearly care a great deal. Some of you sound like brats.

  121. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:09 am | Permalink

    Chriss,

    Exactly. D&D are amazing, and without them we’d have none of this.

  122. Sansa's Florian
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:24 am | Permalink

    March is going be a hella long month.

  123. obsidian
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:57 am | Permalink

    I always like to see women getting opportunities in the industry, but I really disliked Vanessa Taylor’s episodes..Oh, the pacing ,etc. may have been fine but I thought the dialogue was definitely sub-par.

  124. Arian
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    are we gonna see penny at wedding?

  125. Tourist
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    First of all let me say I love Game of Thrones and I am grateful to everyone involve in the production. That said I cannot but feel that the writers are unable to move some story lines cohesively except Kings Landing. Like many of you pointed out Kings Landing in season three had a lot of “filler”. I don’t reproach them the time spend there because, like i said, it helped move along the story nicely. Maybe it is only me, but i feel the other story lines are like clips of a story. They don’t run as smoothly as Kings Landing, and maybe that is why some fans, in there own right, criticize the writing. I just hope that in the seasons to come Game of Thrones as a whole becomes more cohesive.

  126. UnbowedUnbentUnhodor
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:25 am | Permalink

    Arian:
    are we gonna see penny at wedding?

    hope not

  127. cosca
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    obsidian,

    I thought that “The Old Gods and the New” was a pretty good episode.

  128. Morna the Witch
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 4:22 am | Permalink

    There was this article in Total Film toward the end of last year that had a small preview of season 4. D and D stated that the last three episodes were their favourites, because of the events that happen in them. So it makes sense that they wanted to write them. It might also mean they made an effort to make them work, so I’m looking forward.

  129. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 4:51 am | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    The one thing worth noting is for terms of pacing they should make Jaime visiting Tyrion the last scene of episode 8 and their journey through the tunnels all the way to “Hands of Gold” the first, at least one of the first scenes of the finale. I mentioned this issue somewhere else, but Tywin’s funeral should be in the same episode. Otherwise Charles Dance will be called back for 501 just to play his corpse, which would be ridiculous. They might as well establish Cersei’s paranoia at the end so they can jump right into it next season. His death would also be the tipping point that weakens the Lannister’s grip on the realm, thus an ending more than a beginning.

  130. Mr Fixit
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:09 am | Permalink

    House Mormont:

    Also, I’m unsure about Sakharov, I’m sure his directing is very good, but it broke the house style and precedent of Game of Thrones quite a lot in The Climb. With the climb sequence split up into three and seperated through the episode, and the final Littlefinger speech playing over him different things, including a chronological jump where he’s leaving the city. I just hope he keeps with GoT’s chronological straight forward style this time.

    I am not sure it has anything to do with directorial choices. The split climb sequence was an editing choice. As for the final speech, it could have been scripted that way.

    Anyway, I’m all for a bit more experimentation with the visual format of the show. They could be a little bolder and more free-form with how they approach direction, editing, camerawork, etc.

  131. Annara Snow
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic: Mister

    They can film the funeral and save it for season 5.

    The murder is a climactic moment, I don’t see why they would have to follow it up with an anticlimactic one, which would work better as a season opener.

  132. Beefy
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:19 am | Permalink

    Oh no!!! I was hoping the PW would be ep 4-5 I don’t want Joff to go in episode 2 only, so soon!! I always hoped they’d keep him atleast till episode 5!! I will miss Jack Gleeson so much on this show!! But I’m sure he’s given us his best in those moments up to the end!! Cant waitt!! bring it on!

  133. Annara Snow
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:20 am | Permalink

    Arian: penny

    I’m pretty sure we will… see an extra whose face we don’t get a good glimpse at as Penny, with the inevitable recast in season 5.

    GRRM cheekily mentioned “the entertainment” as one of the great things about the royal wedding he is writing.

  134. utherwolf
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:33 am | Permalink

    I hope they reveal episode titles soon. BTW, here are my episode predictions:

    1. Dornishman’s wife
    2. Widow’s Wail
    3. Our Blades are Sharp
    4. The Wall Cries
    5. Stormcrows
    6. Oathkeeper
    7. Sewer Rats
    8. In the Sight of Gods and Men
    9. Horn of Winter
    10. Valonqar

  135. House Mormont
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:49 am | Permalink

    Mr Fixit,

    it put me off, I hate when shows break their precedent, although I wouldn’t mind if we suddenly got flashbacks

    utherwolf,

    you think the horn of Joramun bluff will be kept in? I really hope so but I doubt it bcos it’s a supernatural element

  136. Felt Pelt
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    They could show his corpse on the bier without a close-up on his face. The crossbow in the toilet is pretty climactic, and it should come after buildup through episode 10, letting 8 end with the exciting climax to the duel.

    This is a murderer’s row of directors and writers. D&D are great, though I hope Cogman rapidly ascends to maybe a third episode next year or a second episode for Martin. Who’s to know who wrote what with credits and editing being murky, but Cogman really seems to be able to be faithful while breathing it into televised life.

    My concerns:
    A line where Pod confesses to Brienne he knew all along Tyrion had paid the prostitutes to return his money. He didn’t say he knew because he knew how much it meant to Tyrion. This would tie in with Tysha stuff and reveal the long con for that tonally off bit of comedy.
    - Jon Snow is tormented all season long by a revenge-obsessed eagle. It’s just such a damn cool thing to have to worry about. “I live on a 700-hundred foot wall and there’s an eagle who’s trying to kill me.” Also, Jon is revealed to have been taking muscle relaxers, explaining why he’s so sleepy all the time.
    – Actually, what would be best for the character would be for him to always be in a state of panic, the mode Harrington sells best. Events should make this easy.

    Jaime should threaten to cut Bronn’s tongue out if he talks.

  137. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 6:09 am | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    It would make sense just to use a dummy, but they can be tricky to get right (take Ned’s head for example). I just imagined they’d do the same thing as when Renly died and Gethin had to play his corpse for one scene (which they’ll hopefully do with Jack Gleeson too, give him 3 credits this year). Having the funeral in 501 would mean they’d technically have to pay Charles Dance for playing Tywin’s corpse, and fair enough, playing dead is actually a challenging thing to do. Of course they could work around it with a dummy, but I think Charles could act “Tywin’s smile” even better. That’s a moment I hope they can keep in, even if it’s lost some of its significance through the Harrenhal arc.

  138. cosca
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 6:22 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    or they could just not show the body, which would be much easier.

  139. Viperus
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    utherwolf:
    I hope they reveal episode titles soon. BTW, here are my episode predictions:

    1. Dornishman’s wife
    2. Widow’s Wail
    3. Our Blades are Sharp
    4. The Wall Cries
    5. Stormcrows
    6. Oathkeeper
    7. Sewer Rats
    8. In the Sight of Gods and Men
    9. Horn of Winter
    10. Valonqar

    The last one is really good, the second one is too spoilerish.

  140. Viperus
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 6:57 am | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber:
    C’mon, why not just turn this into an episode titles guesses thread? Here are mine, differing from ones from a few days ago, but whatever:

    1 —The Dornish Marches
    2 — Lives of Four Kings
    3 — Knight of the Kingsguard
    4 — The Sword in the Darkness
    5 — This Lord and That Lord
    6 — Hear Me Roar
    7 — The Weeping Water
    8 — Some Dead Man
    9 — The Watchers on the Wall
    10 — A Cat of a Different Cloak, or perhaps The Narrow Sea, or A Golden Chain

    Again, the second one is bad. What don’t we just call it “A Purple Wedding” ?

    Harry Lime:
    My title choices:

    1. Seven Hells

    2. Spoils of War

    3. You Know Nothing

    4. The Bells of Baelor

    5. A Thousand Eyes and One

    6. Kinslayer

    7. Breaker of Chains

    8. Gods and Men

    9. The Shield That Guards the Realms of Men

    10. Wherever Whores Go; or The Stranger

    I like this one better. Especially “Wherever Whores Go”, just a magical name.

  141. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 7:45 am | Permalink

    Viperus,

    Not really. That can be saved for season 5, where it’s more relevant. There are a million better names than “Wherever Whores Go” for this season’s finale, and giving it that name would just be bad IMO. Not that it matters that much, it’s just a name.

  142. atomixign
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:11 am | Permalink

    I think a lot of the complaints, that people express oversome of the writing would have could have been easily satisfied by making the directors of the individual episodes read the books. Its not that the scripts are missing some of the little touches that readers I’m looking for, it is that the directors don’t know what to give a nod to – and I are extremely focused on just bringing the script to life and being faithful to that work.I think what people really seem to like about Brian Cogmans episodes are the hints and winks to the source material. if Neil Marshall for example spend the night before directing Blackwater, listening to the 3 audio book chapter is over and over and over again we would have seen a whole helluva lot more red and green apples.

  143. cosca
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    atomixign,

    The script should be their bible, not the books. The aim of the show isn’t to make a small minority of book readers happy with winks and nods, that shouldn’t be the focus for the directors either. Not to mention that it just causes confusion when changes have to made and motivations and context is different between the books and the script.

  144. Ashara D
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:21 am | Permalink

    barak,

    By providing a female point of view. By representing females who write fantasy fiction. By showing the powers that be in media that fantasy is not exclusively a teenage boy’s genre. Thought I was pretty clear. Vanessa Taylor is not the only female tv writer on the planet. Someone already mentioned Jane Espenson who I know successfully writes SF (I haven’t seen the other show this person mentioned). As a long-time female fantasy fan, I’d just like to see a successful female writer on the team. Call it a token.

  145. Turncloak
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:42 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    atomixign,

    The script should be their bible, not the books. The aim of the show isn’t to make a small minority of book readers happy with winks and nods, that shouldn’t be the focus for the directors either. Not to mention that it just causes confusion when changes have to made and motivations and context is different between the books and the script.

    Well said

  146. Turncloak
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:44 am | Permalink

    Viperus,

    Wherever whores go was always my pick for the season finale title. Fantastic work

  147. Victor
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:56 am | Permalink

    Mark,

    Watch out though, I think they may be setting us up for Talisa as Stoneheart!

  148. Turncloak
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    Here are my titles

    1) Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
    2) No stranger to Valyrian Steel
    3) A Calm land, a peaceful people
    4) The White Book
    5) Oathkeeper
    6) All men must die
    7) Only Cat only in reference to Lysas death. Lady Stoneheart is probably going to get cut
    8) Elia of Dorne
    9) Castle Black
    10) Wherever whores go

  149. Canis Dirus
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    utherwolf: I hope they reveal episode titles soon. BTW, here are my episode predictions:
    1. Dornishman’s wife
    2. Widow’s Wail
    3. Our Blades are Sharp
    4. The Wall Cries
    5. Stormcrows
    6. Oathkeeper
    7. Sewer Rats
    8. In the Sight of Gods and Men
    9. Horn of Winter
    10. Valonqar

    I really like Valonqar for episode 10… Well done

  150. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    If LS gets cut, can you explain Brienne’s journey? There have been sightings of her filming with Pod in Iceland. The only payoff in that storyline is Lady Stoneheart, and there’d be no point in even going there with Brienne if Stoneheart was cut.

    Also, I reject any suggestion that episode 3 should be named anything but Kingslayer.

    ETA: Also, Oathkeeper should be the name of the episode where Jamie gives the sword to Brienne, whichever episode that is.

  151. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 9:55 am | Permalink

    Victor,

    No. Cat slit the throat of the Frey girl in RW. Cat appeared as a crazy mofo in one of Bran’s dreams in season 3. She will be Stoneheart.

  152. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Whitout the horn there wont be a reason to bring back Ciaran Hinds.
    That is the reason he appears in the rest of the book.

  153. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Tourist,

    Season 3 was a clusterfuck season, thats why it felt clipped.
    Robbs story felt cohesive, if only for having an ending.

  154. Silver of Wyman
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Here’s my list.

    1. The King’s Peace
    2. Lives of Four Kings
    3. Chains
    4. Oathkeeper
    5. You Know Nothing.
    6. The Iron Bank
    7. A Thousand Eyes and One
    8. Elia
    9. The King Beyond the Wall
    10. Hands of Gold

  155. queenofthorns
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    Hm, I just really thought the model in S1 with more guest writers simply worked better. And given D&D can’t possibly be getting LESS busy I would think they could use the extra time spent on writing to do things like plan the next season.

  156. Arkash
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:16 am | Permalink

    My two cents on the titles :

    1 – Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
    2 – Hear me Roar.
    3 – Growing Strong.
    4 – Breaker of Chains.
    5 – Oathkeeper.
    6 – Wolf Girl.
    7 – Trial.
    8 – The Viper and the Mountain.
    9 – Watchers on the Wall.
    10 – Only a Cat.

  157. cosca
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    More guest writers? There were 5 writers in Season 1 (including Jane Espenson, who only co-wrote an episode), 5 writers in Season 2, 5 writers in Season 3. D&D actually wrote the most epiosdes in Season 1, as they wrote 7 and co-wrote 1 with Jane. This season they have 4 writers. They haven’t really changed their model much at all.

  158. Silver of Wyman
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Arkash,

    I might say, that your episode 8 title is kinda spoilery, but it’s not like the trailers and previews are trying to keep the event as a secret.

  159. House House
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Anyone think Stoneheart will be POV in WoW? Also I think there is no way she’ll be cut from the show. 100% it’s end of e10 reveal as she pulls her hood off, then bam credits pop. They cant have her doing tons of scenes next year and keep it secret. Plus Fairley has been weird when people ask her about it.

  160. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Am I wrong that JS being made LC is in this season? That’s probably the scene I’m most looking forward to but I haven’t heard anyone else mention it so I feel like I’ve missed some bit of information.

  161. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    It’s possible, but it’s equally possible that that scene has been delayed for season 5.

  162. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    House House,

    Yes!!! This is exactly the final scene I’ve been picturing.
    Also I don’t know that what she’ll be doing will be vital enough to the main storyline for her to be a POV, but I also feel like she has to be because she’s gotta have so much to say.

    And I don’t know, I don’t see the point of GRRM bringing her back and giving up Dondarrion for her unless she’s got a big role to play yet.

  163. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,
    Bahh I hope not; I don’t want to wait that long! I also feel like it’s more of a season ender than a season beginner sort of thing. I thought they might have even done it earlier than S4E9 because in the trailer we’ve got that scene where Jon says “the wildlings will roll over everything and everyone” etc and he certainly looks like an LC in that glimpse. I also feel like Jon has so much going on in seasons five and six already. Especially six but that’s later on But I feel like they have delayed it since I’ve heard nothing about it!

  164. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    Victor,

    I don’t see this happening. Sure, Talisa’s got Robb to be vengeful for, but Cat has what she thinks is literally all of her children plus Ned. I also think LS has a big role to play yet in WOW, and I’ll bet GRRM has mentioned this to D&D. I definitely think Talisa’s role is done

  165. GoTNerd!
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Hey guys i just want to share an opinion i have with the show. I thought just popped into my head, “what if the show made Dany speak all of the languages in the Entire realm of the GOT world except english. Would that add more intrigue and mystique to the character of dany? Do you think she would be more loved? I just imagined how more sexy Dany”s character be. Haha

    P.S. Sorry for my bad english.

  166. Silver of Wyman
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:50 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    Well it has been confirmed, that episode 9 of season 4 is going to be the battle of Castle Black. This would leave only one episode to have both the election and Stannis’ offer. Also if the show is truly going to make books 4 and 5 into two pararrel seasons, they’re going to need to save some cool moments for those seasons.

  167. Ser Lucas Tyrell
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Pretty glad to know I’m not the only one who thinks The Snake and the Mountain is going to happen. You start to feel a bit crazy after some time.

    And valonqar wouldn’t work. The word is quite unknown to the Unsullied and I see no way of explaining it at least at this point.

  168. Clark
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Previews have shown Reek…where is he gonna pop up in S4?

  169. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Clark,

    Moat Cailin, the Riverlands and/or Winterfell.
    ETA: and the Dreadfort of course…

  170. Veltigar
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:25 am | Permalink

    Bah Sakharov. The Climb was the worst episode in three entire seasons. It was just so jarring and out of place. It didn’t feel like an episode of Thrones (and that just commenting about the directing. The writing was also poor in that one).

    I hope that Cogman’s writing won’t suffer to much from that. It would be a shame.

    Use Mads Mikkelsen as Euron, Luke

  171. Canis Dirus
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Ser Lucas Tyrell,

    Mhysa and Valar Morghulis were unknown words to Unsullied at the time of their airing. It just takes one line of dialogue. I also don’t think episode titles are based on whether or not an Unsullied would recognize what it means.

  172. GoTNerd!
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    Have subtitles for the scenes of dany

  173. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Viperus,

    My reasoning for “Lives of Four Kings” would be as follows:

    –It’s the name of the book given to Joffrey that he destroys.

    –The episode could include a couple of pivotal early scenes of Stannis (King 1) a check-in with Mance Rayder (King 2), the death of Balon Greyjoy (King 3), and devote most of the rest of the episode to Joffrey.

  174. Ragman's Harbor
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    If they brought Jason Momoa back for season 2 without any leeks,then they can easily have brought Catelyn to do LS for one scene. Talissa as LS? Come on, when have the writers said they hate the story?

  175. Carne
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink
  176. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    It contained one scene from the novels, all the others were made up or seriously altered.
    Thats why its horrible, too much change.

    And experimental directing is to crappy for GoT, thats for series like Beaking Bad and True Detective.
    It should be banned, Sakharov can take it back to his country.
    Bah.
    It belongs in a Nolan movie.

  177. Meraxes
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:11 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    I have to disagree with you there, the only BAD episode in this series so far is deffinetly The Nightlands. It’s the episode that makes me reconsider whenever I plan on rewatching the show

  178. BowedBentBroken
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    utherwolf,

    Nice. Like the Horn of Joramun ref

  179. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    Lord Davos:
    Veltigar,

    It contained one scene from the novels, all the others were made up or seriously altered.
    Thats why its horrible, too much change.

    And experimental directing is to crappy for GoT, thats for series like Beaking Bad and True Detective.
    It should be banned, Sakharov can take it back to his country.
    Bah.
    It belongs in a Nolan movie.

    I’m in the middle of Project Rewatch now and so far The Bear and the Maiden Fair still remains the most underwhelming. The Night Lands isn’t great either. I like The Climb, though it has flaws.

  180. Veltigar
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Meraxes:
    Veltigar,

    I have to disagree with you there, the only BAD episode in this series so far is deffinetly The Nightlands. It’s the episode that makes me reconsider whenever I plan on rewatching the show

    Nah, It might have been “meh” but it wasn’t as bad and crappy as the Climb. And at least Nightlands was consistent with the feel of the show (+ Sakharov’s episode ruined a lot better source material).

    Lord Davos:
    Veltigar,

    It contained one scene from the novels, all the others were made up or seriously altered.
    Thats why its horrible, too much change.

    And experimental directing is to crappy for GoT, thats for series like Beaking Bad and True Detective.
    It should be banned, Sakharov can take it back to his country.
    Bah.
    It belongs in a Nolan movie.

    It annoyed the shit out of me that he managed to screw up the actual climb on the wall. All those crappy mistakes and then the horrible hollywood style ending. Ugh, So on Thrones.

    [to a handcuffed Domingo]
    Jenko: You have the right to…
    [forgets the Miranda rights]
    Jenko: …Cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron, motherfucker!

  181. TatteredPrince
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Can’t wait for another Alik Sakharov and Cogman collaboration

  182. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    God,
    this site sucks for trolling.

    Its art Veltigar.
    Post-modern self aware art.
    You dont kiss on top of a wall because hollywood did it first,
    you do it because you want to make a romantic fantasy scene.

  183. Blind Beth
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor,

    I don’t *actually* know anything, but listening to her commentary track on S3E2 (“Dark Wings, Dark Words”), it kind of sounded like she didn’t get to do much besides the Theon torture scene and wasn’t very happy about it. The others (Jack Gleason, Margery, director, forgot their names sorry) kept complimenting the writing and she kept being like “oh, yeah, I didn’t actually do that.” Then when it gets to the Theon scene she said something like “I had to do a lot of research on medieval torture devices,” in a rather unhappy tone.

  184. Blind Beth
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    IMO there haven’t been any totally bad episodes, but there have been some cringe-worthy scenes. Also, keep in mind how much scenes get shuffled from episode to episode during the final cuts. A writer or director that is credited for an episode probably wrote maybe half of that episode and fractions of several others.

    The only big problems I ever have with the show is when they go totally off-book, like most of the Qarth storyline and the Talisa stuff. Invented scenes between non-POV characters are usually fine; it’s almost always something they totally would have said, we just don’t “see” them saying it in the book.

    All that to say that I’m pretty stoked about S4, but I’m quite nervous about the “Jon attacks Craster’s” scene and whatever is going to happen with Team Bran and the new Team Rickon. I’m not speculating on episode quality based on writer/director because, like I said, it’s scene by scene and you never really know who wrote what until maybe when the DVD’s come out.

  185. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    Cogman and Sakharov worked together in ‘What Is Dead May Never Die’ in season 2, which was brilliantly filmed. This was the episode where Theon burned the letter to Robb. That is one of my favorite shots in the entire series.

  186. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink
  187. outdoorcats
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Blind Beth,

    She did sound a little grumpy in that commentary. At one point she says she was adamantly against the Theon torture scenes but was outvoted by D&D and Cogman.

    Honestly, there’s some noticably weaker writing in ‘Garden of Bones’ and ‘Dark Wings, Dark Words’ which makes those my two least favorite episodes (though ‘The Old Gods and the New’ was pretty good). We don’t necessarily know who wrote what just because their name was attached to the episode, but IMO that seems to be a bit much of a coincidence.

    If D&D are looking for female writers they should try getting the team of Elizabeth Craft and Sarah Fain, as I’ve said before. Check out their work on Season 4 of Angel in particular, the show’s best season. I started noticing that all the best episodes had their name attached to them. That was also a show that took a ‘fantasy’ concept and made it dark, gritty, and brutal.
    Two cents.

  188. outdoorcats
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    I think D&D and Cogman write quite well for female characters. Vanessa Taylor said this, that she’s often miscredited as being ‘the female perspective’ on the show when she does no such thing; she’s just part of the writing team. It’s not like they’re these macho guys who write one-dimensional stuff for the women.

  189. KG
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    Hahaha people are gonna flip their shit when the event of the year happens in episode 2. I’m so glad they ended the 9 pattern.

  190. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    Half the episodes are going to be 9 (or rather, upto 11) in terms of big moments, if what D&D say about 8-10 is anything to go by. Surely they planned the premiere for the 6th so that the Memorial Day break will come between 7 and 8 in particular. Could be coincidence of course, but one can always speculate. Or they might just want to avoid TWD’s finale, which will no doubt rack up thrice the viewing figures ‘Thrones has at the best of times.

  191. Family, Duty, Hodor
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I’m liking the choices – they’re pretty much how I would have done it. Thus far, Brian Cogman has been give fairly quiet, dialogue driven episodes, and he has knocked them out of the park. If this continues into Season 4, the middle period of the season will maintain the interest well.

    D&D are the founders of the tv show and have the right to write the best moments. And so far, they’ve delivered in spades when it comes to epic moments.

    Finally, as we knew before, George is doing the PW. A classic book moment which needs little changing. That’s pretty much perfect for him. Much better than his Season 3 episode, which contained non-canon interactions and slow plot development.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    Loved that scene!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOAZYjTJ1Ms

  192. Lord Davos
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Oh, TWD are dropping in millions :)
    The show has peaked, and the writers has set the finale to be a massive dissapointment with recent turno fo events.

  193. Shannon
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    I’ve just gone through each past episode hated and loved and it’s writers and directors and overall I couldn’t be happier with the season four list. I think the complaint that there aren’t female writers is ridiculous – all of Vanessa Taylor’s episodes and Espenson’s episode were truly awful. I’m really glad they haven’t brought them back. I’m also extremely astounded that people are complaining about David and Dan… ALL of my favorite episodes minus one written by GRRM himself (Blackwater) were written by David and Dan. The other writers have nothing on them.

    I’m also so thrilled with Alex Graves’ prevalence; he’s by far my favorite director followed by Sakharov. Overall, it should be an incredible season.

    But I’m really good with anything as long as we don’t have repeats of episodes like Mhysa, Second Sons, Bear & the Maiden Fair, C B & Broken things, Night Lands, Kissed By Fire, Valar Dohaeris, etc. Bring on the episodes like Baelor, Blackwater, The Climb, and Now His Watch Is Ended, Rains of Castamere, and Fire and Blood!!

  194. Ashara D
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 6:08 pm | Permalink

    outdoorcats,

    I agree that D & D and BCog and GRRM write women well or I wouldn’t be completely obsessed with the books and the show. Not at all about the quality of the writing. I want them to use their power for positive change in the world. I’m looking for the appearance that changes perceptions. They could look a little harder to find a great female writer to put on the team. I want women to see other womeon breaking stereotypes. That’s important to me as a woman of a certain age that has lived with the inequality for a loooong time.

  195. Ashara D
    Posted February 27, 2014 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    Btw, as a fan of “The Climb” and a BCog admirer, I’m looking forward to 406. Should be great!

  196. Ozymandias
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:20 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    What ? Kissed By Fire and Second Sons are two of the best episodes of the entire series.

  197. queenofthorns
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:27 am | Permalink

    Shannon: Espenson’s episode were truly awful.

    A Golden Crown is still the best-written episode in the entire series.

  198. Shannon
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I’ve just thought about all the variations of A Golden Hand/A Golden Chain/Hands of Gold title predictions I’ve seen along with Wherever Whores Go, and initially I was a big fan of both but I don’t see how they can use the former unless they introduce the song (which point we’re way past unless they attribute it to a different singer/situation and even then it would take a lot of introducing, like the Rains of Castamere in season three.) And as far as the latter, I LOVE this title but I think it would make for a much better title for S5E1. That’s when Tyrion will most likely start repeating his father’s words as he did in ADWD and I think thematically and cinematically it would make for a much better opportunity. And as far as The Sword in the Darkness, a prediction for E9 and another title I love, wouldn’t this be the PERFECT title for what I’m presuming will be S6E9 or Jon Snow’s “death”? I know I’m thinking way ahead here, but maybe they are too!

  199. Shannon
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    Totally up for debate, my opinion is just my own! But personally I’ve hated the dramatized focus the show put on Ygritte and Jon when it was something so forced and fleeting in the books. Also, I swear the show ends with Daenerys just to end with Daenerys – the Daario pledging service ending was a bland, boring, irrelevant ending IMO.

  200. Shannon
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:41 am | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    Highly debatable…

  201. Lord Davos
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 11:06 am | Permalink

    Shannon,

    Stannis was the home run of those episodes, high point of his storyline.

  202. Hodoreo
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    People saying LS should have appeared in S3, seriously, why?? It would have taken all the sting out of the Red Wedding, it was way too soon. They need to have her appear in the very last scene of this season to create a massive shitstorm, just like in the book.

  203. Valyrian eyes
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Varamyr 4 skins:
    Valyrian Eyes,

    Sorry I’m full blooded sullied, ready every book and watched all episodes, please elaborate what makes episode 6 so anticipated?

    The anticipation for me in this case is not exactly because of story elements, it’s just that I’m really excited to see the result of the cogman/sakharov combo, I think they’ll do an amazing job :)

  204. Guy
    Posted February 28, 2014 at 10:28 pm | Permalink

    I don’t think anyone here understands how TV series work as far as writing is concerned. The Showrunners usually rewrite every episode but no credit is given due to WGA rules. So, for example, David Chase wrote episodes of the Sopranos that are credited to the first staff writer who took on a given episode. Even though Chase rewrote the episode it is credited to the staff writer. Its taboo for Showrunners to take or ask for credit on episodes they rewrite because that original writer will now have to share royalties with the showrunner(aka the highest paid person in the writers room). We know GRRM’s S3 episode was retitled after it was decided to edit scenes and add the bear sequence(which I don’t think he wrote). All of this D&D complaining is ridiculous! The way a writers room works is the showrunner dictates the season outline including, depending on the show, specific scenes and dialogue. After that each episode is handed off to a member of the writing staff who gets(per WGA rules) 2 drafts before the showrunner rewrites their work. One writer who worked on The Wire estimated that 20% of his first script ended up on screen, the rest rewritten by David Simon. Now The Sopranos and The Wire are original ideas not beholden to source material so maybe the comparison doesn’t work for GoT but I can take a guess and say that any writer who once wrote for the show but doesn’t any more then D&D had to rewrite. I think season 3 had edited bits and pieces intended for one episode only to be rearranged in post production & show up in a different episode. It happens all the time in serialized TV shows. The RW episode felt like it had a couple scenes from different episodes. Same with episode 6-8(I cant be certain but most Sam and Gilly scenes felt like they were spread really thin. Episode 8 ends with the WW death but I don’t think Sam is in any scenes elsewhere in EP 8 so perhaps 80% of their journey was intended for one episode but broken up to give episode 8 an awesome ending). Don’t knock D&D because chances are they’ve written 80% of the show. TV series are beholden to unions and guilds that require X number of episodes for a “series regular”(billed in opening credits). If they aren’t in X number of episodes then HBO still has to pay them for series regular status. Its all quite complicated and very expensive. What D&D have accomplished with this show is nothing short of a miracle. Movie quality FX? Battle scenes? Dragons? No other network would dare touch this. The sets and costumes are more expensive than most shows entire season budgets!

  205. Lord Davos
    Posted March 1, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    Guy,

    We two seems reasonable.
    Congratulations for having to say something that mattes, the show is a miracle. Thank for having common sense, its not too normal here around.

  206. Jake
    Posted March 1, 2014 at 11:25 pm | Permalink

    Hm… so is the purple wedding going to be in episode 2? I thought that would’ve been episode 1, and it still could be, but I assume GRRM is writing that episode. Also, glad to see Neil Marshall as director of episode 9!!!

  207. Cookie
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:01 am | Permalink

    Just saw that HBO Latino has released titles for the first four Episodes, they´ve already been put on the Wikipedia Page (links to HBO Latino can be found under “References”):

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Game_of_Thrones_episodes#Season_4_.282014.29

    So, according to this, the first four Episodes will be called:

    1. Two Swords
    2. The Rose And The Lion
    3. Breaker Of Chains
    4. Oathkeeper

    Sounds fitting. Not sure if this is legit though. Never been to this “HBO Latino” Site before.

  208. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:25 am | Permalink

    Cookie,

    That probably just means it’s those will be the Latino titles. It’s a common practice. I think in Japan they always use very long verbose titles, so episode 2 might be, “Rose and lion unite: time for purple wedding”.

    I do like Breaker of Chains for a title over just Chains, because then it can still have multiple meanings. The Rose and The Lion sounds a bit too similar to 105’s title though. Someone else suggested Monsters and Maidens and for a GRRM-penned episode featuring the wedding and the Ramsay story it makes perfect sense.

    Edit: Also, they seem to have published the actual estimate run times. If they’re accurate then we’re in for a fairly long opener and a shorter follow-up.

  209. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:33 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    It was me who suggested “Monsters and Maidens“. I`m glad someone liked it, I felt a bit fan-fictionish coming up with that but I`m glad someone liked it. If it is indeed the Rose and the Lion, I`m cool with that too.

  210. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    We just haven’t had a great deal of information on what the children do for fun in Westeros. Not everyone can hang out in the KL gardens eating lemon cakes, and there’s never been a single mention of come-into-my-castle or monsters and maidens so far. As the latter’s probably their version of hide and seek it works well with one of Ramsay’s hunts. My best thoughts for a title were 300AL (wrong wrong wrong), The New Century and Roses of Autumn, and I’m also looking forward to any unconfirmed episode titled Songs of the Earth.

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