First four episode titles of season four revealed!
By Ours is the Fury on in News.

The first episode titles of the fourth season of Game of Thrones have been revealed, via HBO Latino. Additionally, the network is listing a running time for each episode.

So without further ado, the titles are:

Season 4, Episode 1: Two Swords.
Running time: 58 minutes

Season 4, Episode 2: The Lion and the Rose.
Running time: 52 minutes

Season 4, Episode 3: Breaker of Chains.
Running time: 56 minutes

Season 4, Episode 4:  Oathkeeper.
Running time: 54 minutes

Ours is the Fury: Thanks to Summer is Coming for the find! What do you think of the titles so far? “Oathkeeper” is my personal favorite.


290 Comments

  1. GeekFurious
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Oathkeeper!

  2. Balerion
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Hodor! Omg!

  3. serbowie
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Episode 2!!

  4. Balerion
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    Damn, this was supposed to be my first first comment. Argh!

  5. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:48 am | Permalink

    Great titles! Love them all.

  6. Balerion
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:49 am | Permalink

    What does the first episode title refer to?

  7. MoF
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Balerion,

    Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail.

  8. Matt S
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Guessing the second episode is Margery and Joff’s wedding, with him being the lion and her being the rose glad that’s so early in the season.

  9. NomadicDirewolf
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:51 am | Permalink

    Balerion:
    What does the first episode title refer to?

    I would think it refers to the twin valyrian swords tywin has made for jaime and joffrey, often these titles have double meanings though so thats probably only the most obvious aspect of the title

  10. Emma
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:54 am | Permalink

    Oathkeeper!

  11. Durrendon's Fool
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:56 am | Permalink

    3 out of 4 titles come from the King’s Landing story line. I hope we don’t actually have to wait for episode 5 before we find out what everyone else is up to.

    Well, I guess “Breaker of Chains” could refer to a couple of different story lines, including KL.

  12. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    Durrendon’s Fool:
    3 out of 4 titles come from the King’s Landing story line. I hope we don’t actually have to wait for episode 5 before we find out what everyone else is up to.

    Well, I guess “Breaker of Chains” could refer to a couple of different story lines, including KL.

    Umm………….. obviously those first 4 episodes won’t be all KL………………. there are other storylines too ya know…….

  13. Dragolf
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:59 am | Permalink

    George’s episode is the shortest. :/

  14. Sam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:10 am | Permalink

    Dragolf,

    The Rains of Castamere was the shortest episode last season

  15. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    All good names. Still hoping for “Some Dead Man” or “The Watchers on the Wall” or perhaps “The Narrow Sea” later on in the season. But we shall see…

  16. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Cool! Seems like ep 2 will definitely be the wedding then…

    The names give no indication of whether Oberyn will be introduced in ep 1 or 2…

    Love that there’s an ep called Oathkeeper. Was hoping there would be.

  17. Talisa's ghost
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    Ep 1: The golden boys get shiny new toys.
    Ep 2: After planning the wedding, Tywin took hold of the episodes titles as well. It’s a lion, LION. Did I mention it’s a lion? PS: don’t tell Stannis.
    Ep 3: Sounds…scaly.
    Ep 4: The shiny new toy appears again. This time with a purpose!

    When will we get the next ones?

  18. loki
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:22 am | Permalink

    Season 4, Episode 1: Two Swords. 2/10
    Season 4, Episode 2: The Lion and the Rose. 3/10
    Season 4, Episode 3: Breaker of Chains. 6/10
    Season 4, Episode 4: Oathkeeper. 10/10

  19. wizardeyes
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    The Jaime/ Brienne Oathkeeper scene is gonna be written by Bryan Cogman and directed by Michelle Maclaren! Yay!!!!!

  20. Tywin's Bastard
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:34 am | Permalink

    It’s hard to judge the true quality of the names before we’ve seen the episodes since the best names are the ones that don’t just refer to the obvious but also into other storylines in clever ways.

  21. gswelcome
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    April can’t come fast enough!

  22. house snow
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Episode three has double meaning when you consider sansas escape

  23. Winterdark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    edit

  24. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:36 am | Permalink

    It amazes me a little how much they will have to fit into the first one and a half episodes (they say the wedding itself takes up half an episode). They will have to give Oberyn a proper introduction along with some backstory. Mace will have to be given a short introduction. They will have to do something with Brienne (though it looks like she is not put in a cell), and some scenes with Jaime and Cersei/ Jaime and Tyrion, just because it would feel strange if they were not there. I presume they are also going to have the scene with Tywin and Jaime where Jaime is given the sword and refuses to leave the kingsguard. Then Balon’s death has to happen. And maybe they have to reintroduce Dontos at some point to not make people ask “where did this guy come from?” when he rescues Sansa. And there are all the other storylines outside Kings Landing. Usually all storylines are restarted in the first two episodes, and Dany and Jon will probably be in the first episode.

    And I assume they are going to leave som hints as to who plotted the death as well, such as the hairnet being given to Sansa. Oh, and will they let Tyrion figure out that Joffrey sent the assassin after Bran? That reveal makes little sense at a later point, though I fear they may skip it altogether

  25. Veltigar
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Balerion:
    What does the first episode title refer to?

    Probably a sex scene between Loras and the LF spy :p

    Casting Mads Mikkelsen as Euron I presume?

  26. Winterdark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    Save for ep4 I find the titles very meh. But I thought the same thing of seasons 2 and 3. Though luckilly they changed some season 3 titles to cooler versions such as the awesome “The Bear and the Maiden Fair” originally titled Chains (an incredibly boring title imo)

    I am very much intrigued though by the ep4 title. The title implies that, that is the episode in which MASSIVE SPOILERS ABOUND!!! (seriously don’t read unless you’ve already finished A Feast for Crows) Jaime hands his sword to Brienne and aks her to find Sansa. However chronologically that makes no sense since there is no way all of Tyrion’s trial and escape will take place in two episodes. Not in the least because they aren’t even going ot include the Greyjoy arc this season (Kingsmoot woohooo!!!) Which implies that Jaime is going to free Brienne before Tyrion. Which I guess is possible. I mean let’s be honest. Brienne isn’t really necessary for any major event in the rest of book 3. So having her on the road from the halfway point would be interesting. I guess she would meet Pod in ep5 or 6. (obviously he fled after his master was arrested. And from there we continue onwards in AFFC culminating in the season finale with the fight at the Whispers.

    Yeah I really think it’ll play out like that. Either way really curious about ep4.

  27. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I rrrrreeeaaaally hope Episode 409 is titled ‘The King Beyond the Wall.’ That’s like, triple meaning there if you think about it. D&D, make it happen!

  28. Ivan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    i like how we had ‘the wolf and the lion” in the first season and now we have ”the lion and the rose”

  29. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    I’d hoped for a more clever title for the PW, but oh well.

    Otherwise, yay!

  30. Jared
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    “Two Swords” is obviously referring to Tywin having Ice melted down and reforged into Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail, the former of which we’ll see him present to Jaime in the premiere. Most of the speculation I saw about the title for the first episode of Season 4 centered around Oberyn’s arrival (“The Red Viper, “Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken”, “The King’s Peace”), so I expect that many fans will be disappointed. Personally, I think it’s an OK title, if fairly generic.

    “The Lion and the Rose” is a good title for the episode that will feature Joffrey and Margaery’s wedding. It suggests the appropriate amount of pomp and circumstance without giving too much away. Most of the speculation I saw about this title either centered on Joffery’s death – things like “Widow’s Wail” and “The Stranger” were likely judged too spoilery for the showrunners’ tastes or house words like “Growing Strong” and “Hear Me Roar”. Keep in mind that although house words are popular choices for titles among fans, to date only the Stark words and the Targaryen words have been used that way. This is a nice compromise.

    “Breaker of Chains” suggests a Dany-heavy episode – most likely she’ll have her first confrontation with the slavers outside the gates of Meereen in this episode. It will also apply nicely to Tyrion’s arrest and Sansa finally breaking free of the Lannisters’ grip. This was a popular suggestion, so kudos to those who proposed it.

    “Oathkeeper” was also a very popular suggestion, and with good reason – I think it’s a great title. So Jaime will give the titular sword to Brienne and send her off to find Sansa in this episode. We also know from the leaked call sheet that this episode will feature scenes at Craster’s keep. With that knowledge, this title can also apply to the battle between Jon and the loyal Night’s Watchmen and the ‘oathbreakers’ who murdered Lord Commander Mormount.

    Hope we get the remaining titles soon!

  31. Valyrian eyes
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Love episode 4′s title!

  32. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:55 am | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    The advantage of having Brienne’s journey be this early is that there will be some suspense (for the unsullied) over whether or not she will find Arya. This way I think they won’t have to let her take the meaningless trip to the Whispers, but rather nearly miss Arya near the entrance to the Vale (thus also adding suspense over whether or not she will enter the Vale and find Sansa). We know both Maisie and Gwendoline filmed at the location in Iceland that was supposed to be the bloody gate (not necessarily at the same time). Therefore I think she will end her journey with the assault at the Inn at the Crossroads, where the nose/ear biting happens (though in the book, it was her nose that was bitten off), or maybe with the Lady Stoneheart reveal. This will leave open more space for DwD material in season 5 so that they can actually reach one of the major battles (of Winterfell / Mereeen – probably Winterfell) in season 5 and give it a proper climax. They are already including a lot of material from DwD for Dany’s and Theon’s storylines in season 4 to make this possible.

  33. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:01 am | Permalink

    I actually think its much more likely that Tywin will give Jaime Oathkeeper in episode 4 and thats why the title is “Oathkeeper”, the season premiere title “Two Swords” may just be named that because there might be a scene of swords actually being forged.

  34. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:04 am | Permalink

    Winterdark,
    Dude, in the book Jaime sends Brienne on her quest way before releasing Tyrion as well.

  35. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Arya Stark,

    Jaime names it Oathkeeper when he gives it to Brienne. But you may be right, that may still happen in the same episode, or in the one before.

  36. Meghan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    If episode two is about what I think it is, I’m going to stand right up and cheer.

  37. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:13 am | Permalink

    MoF,

    I have a sneaking suspicion that their forging will be the opening scene of the season

  38. Lord Davos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    GG,

    I remember Gwendoline confirming it was her scene with Olenna and Margaery that opened the season.

  39. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Dragolf,

    Rumour is ep 2 is based exclusively around KL, so it’s not surprising it’s the shortest.

  40. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:15 am | Permalink

    Maginor,

    if i recall correctly didn’t jaime send brienne on the quest only a short time before releasing tyrion??when jaime gives oathkeeper to brienne, i think the next jaime pov chapter is him releasing tyrion. i guess they might be trying to spice up brienne’s affc storyline from sending her away that early. i dont know what brienne would do in kings landing anyways.

  41. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:16 am | Permalink

    1 and 4. 2 and 3 are ok, but a bit obvious.

    Maginor,

    Brienne’s nose isn’t bitten off, Biter takes a bit of her cheek. Rorge, the man she was killing shortly before, doesn’t have a nose in the books, while on the show he’s just psycho. I’m not sure she’ll fight these guys in the end, since the Hound will have to get wounded in some fight, too, and that can’t happen in the fight where Arya gets her sword back (we’ve seen him alive and well when she already had the sword at her belt). I think her travels will stretch until mid-Season 5 or so, with LS showing up at the end of this season not to confront her but to hang Freys. Makes more sense, and leaves Jaime a bit more time to actually have a storyline in S5, before they get into uncharted territory with him.

  42. KatjaKat
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:17 am | Permalink

    Maginor,

    I’m pretty sure they won’t use Dontos for Sansa’s escape. Littlefinger will probably take her to the boat himself. Though I can’t remember if he’s already left the city at this point in the show? Either that or he’ll have some other underling do it as I can’t see him involving anyone important in his plot. Maybe he’ll use one of his whores, dressed up as a servant?

  43. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Lord Davos,

    :( I really hope not. That implies that Brienne & Loras’ material has been cut.I was OK with Loras hooking up in s3 cos I thought they could still emphasise how important Renly was by including their material in s4. Cutting it is the final nail in Renlas’ coffin. The show will have utterly ruined it. Now we’ll never get the Loras’ line about the sun setting. UGH >:(

  44. dragonreborn
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Arya Stark,

    So tywin will give jaime a wedding gift after the purple disaster?

  45. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Given that Tyrion gets arrested at the end of wedding in ep 2 and it’s Tyrion who greets him when he arrives, it’s almost definitely ep 1. Plus, Oberyn attends the Royal Wedding.

  46. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    KatjaKat,

    The actor for Dontos has been confirmed as returning.

  47. Sam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    i am wondering whether the name of episode 4 indicates that they will speed up the brienne storyline! everyone always says it is the most logical book storyline to get trimmed severely.

    i could see brienne’s search for sansa happening only in episodes 5-9, and while it happens she hears rumors about the brotherhood without banners having a merciless new female leader, and finally in ep.10 she comes face to face with lady stoneheart and it is the last shot of the season – the reveal coming to brienne, instead of through a random confrontation with a minor frey. then in season 5, jaime would leave KL and she would be sent back to find him, and by then maybe WoW would be out and the resolution of that plot wouldn’t be a spoiler?

    alternatively, they could stretch it out a bit more, like arya’s travels pre-braavos, and have her getting ready to leave king’s landing for a few episodes and not even setting out until episode 10.

  48. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    well in the book, jaime did arrive in kings landing after the purple wedding. obviously the timeline is a little weird. but starting brienne’s affc SO EARLY is weirder in my opinion

  49. Lord Davos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Hopefully it will just be about Sansa and how Brienne are not to interfere in the wedding.

  50. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:29 am | Permalink

    Episode 31 — Two Swords
    Episode 32 — The Lion and the Rose
    Episode 33 — Breaker of Chains
    Episode 34 — Oathkeeper
    Episode 35 — To Be Determined
    Episode 36 — Sons of the Harpy
    Episode 37 — To Be Determined
    Episode 38 — The Gift of Mercy
    Episode 39 — The King Beyond the Wall
    Episode 40 — The Fall

  51. Lord Davos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Are your guesses or?

  52. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    are these the actual titles???

  53. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Looks like I was right about 409!

  54. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:33 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    do you have a source for where you got these titles from?

  55. Carlos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    GG,

    While I do expect it to strongly center on King’s Landing, it won’t be exclusively set there. On the DVD commentary George RR Martin said he wrote some scenes involving Ramsay and his whore (Myranda I think is her name?) So we’ll at least get that.

  56. No One
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    I don’t know why everybody is so hyped about the title of Episode 4.
    Infact, I don’t find Brienne’s storyline of any coherence at all.
    Sure, we get to see the atrocities of war and dusken-whogivesashiz.
    But, the whole time we know shes going at the wrong places to find Sansa.
    A collosal waste of time.

  57. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    No One,

    lol her chapters were really boring to me i’ll admit it. there was TOO MUCH FILLER. i definitely don’t mind the show trying to make it more exciting. Also i dont care for the Septon Meribald speech.

  58. Lord Davos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    No One,

    Its not about the goal, its about the traveler.
    Moral restoration and decadence i suppose.

  59. Carlos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:37 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Ugh “To be Determined” is such a lame title. Why would they use it twice?

  60. Arya Stark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    Carlos,

    yeah I’m really hoping that these are just guesses and not the actual titles lol

  61. wizardeyes
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:39 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Oberyn could still be introduced at the beginning of the second ep and Tyrion could be like “you’re just in time for the wedding.” But I hope its ep 1 because that would give us more Oberyn.

  62. utherwolf
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    If Brienne’s quest starts in episode 4, I wonder where will her storyline end this season. It would be big shit if Lady Stoneheart orders her execution in the episode 4×10.

  63. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    utherwolf,

    That would be cool actually. It would be a bigger to introduce Stoneheart (rather than random old Merret Frey

    And that would surely mean that season 5 will have stuff from TWOW….

  64. Onion Knight
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:45 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss:
    Episode 31 — Two Swords
    Episode 32 — The Lion and the Rose
    Episode 33 — Breaker of Chains
    Episode 34 — Oathkeeper
    Episode 35 — To Be Determined
    Episode 36 — Sons of the Harpy
    Episode 37 — To Be Determined
    Episode 38 — The Gift of Mercy
    Episode 39 — The King Beyond the Wall
    Episode 40 — The Fall

    I doubt those are the real titles. I really don’t think the Sons of the Harpy storyline is going to be in play by episode 6 unless D&D seriously speed Dany’s storyline up.

  65. A-Gone
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    Hounded:
    utherwolf,

    That would be cool actually. It would be a bigger to introduce Stoneheart (rather than random old Merret Frey

    And that would surely mean that season 5 will have stuff from TWOW….

    Which means we get TWOW this summer.
    I read somewhere that Parris said to someone that a big announcement about WOW is due soon…

  66. Ser Low-Res
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Are these S4 air dates on the Futon Critic confirmed elsewhere?

    http://www.thefutoncritic.com/showatch/game-of-thrones/listings/

    If they are true, there will be no new episode on the last Sunday of May.

  67. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Carlos,

    Arya Stark,

    tbd isn’t the title, it just means they don’t know it yet (if these are the real titles at all).

  68. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    A-Gone,

    Really? I’ll file this under rumor but its exciting that’s for sure.

  69. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Ser Low-Res,

    Yeah the same dates are on wikipedia. Makes sense that there isn’t one on last sunday of May as its memorial day weekend

  70. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:51 am | Permalink

    Ser Low-Res,

    futoncritic is a reliable source, so these are most likely legit.

  71. A-Gone
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I filed it under rumour too, but I’ll grab onto anything I can.
    It would make so much sense getting WOW this summer.

  72. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    There’s one very important plot point with the Brienne’s Quest storyline that nobody’s factored in yet. Her time with Septon Maribald (and dog) on the Quiet Isle. And in order for that to have any significance then someone else will have be be gravely wounded much earlier. If the 308 title “The Gift of Mercy” turns out to be true, then the Quiet Isle storyline would be far too soon. It would really need to be done next season.

    Her journey also provides us with an introduction to Randyl Tarly, who hasn’t even been cast yet, and whose introduction would be nicely intercut with scenes between Samwell and Gilly on their trip to Oldtown.

    As such, I don’t see the Brienne/Stoneheart storyline happening in Season 4, unless they’re prepared to forego the whole Quiet Isle plot–which I believe will have massive implications in TWoW.

  73. Lord Davos
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    A-Gone,

    Good troll

  74. Onion Knight
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    A-Gone: Which means we get TWOW this summer.
    I read somewhere that Parris said to someone that a big announcement about WOW is due soon…

    There is no reason to assume that. GRRM wants to get the books out before the show passes him, but that definitely doesn’t mean he will. I’ve lost faith in him getting these things out in any timely manner.

  75. spacechampion
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Arya Stark:
    I actually think its much more likely that Tywin will give Jaime Oathkeeper in episode 4 and thats why the title is “Oathkeeper”, the season premiere title “Two Swords” may just be named that because there might be a scene of swords actually being forged.

    I doubt it. Tywin also gives Joffrey Widow’s Wail, it isn’t difficult to surmise from the trailer, as a present during the wedding. It’s likely Jaime receives it when taking on the job of Lord Commander of the Kingsguard in the first episode.

  76. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    they aren’t going to cut that, I’m sure. Merge Meribald and the Elder Brother into one person and give the speech to the Elder Brother, yes, but I’m sure both that character and that specific location will have relevance again.

    They might even do the same thing Martin does, let some time pass before the Gravedigger shows up, making us doubt if the Hound is even still alive. They have so few things they can actually keep mysterious, they won’t pass up this one.

  77. Tenesmus
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    Arya Stark,

    They may pull a “Great Hunt” ala Rand and Lan on the wall, and have the opening scene in KL be what we saw in the trailer; Jaime and Bronn sword fighting. Bronn bests him and we find out they were just training.

  78. Sam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    seems to me that they could have brienne threatened by LS at the end of s4, and then talk her way free at the beginning of s5 promising to go find jaime and bring him to her. she could encounter septon meribald and the quiet isle then.

  79. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:59 am | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    The quiet isle plot (or equivalent) could easily happen in episode 7 or 8. There is not that much left for Arya and the Hound to do anyway. When it comes to Randyll Tarly, he was actually introduced in aCoK, when Catelyn visited Storms End.

  80. Ser Davos Seaworth
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:01 pm | Permalink

    Can’t… Wait…

  81. Sansa's Knight
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    Veltigar,

    ROTFL out of all the comments ive ever read on WIC this 1 cracked me up the most

    2 swords ….ahahahahahaha

  82. moonlightof1982
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Cant wait for this amazing story to continue!!! Where is April when you need it!!!!

  83. A-Gone
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:05 pm | Permalink

    Onion Knight: There is no reason to assume that. GRRM wants to get the books out before the show passes him, but that definitely doesn’t mean he will. I’ve lost faith in him getting these things out in any timely manner.

    If he wants to, I think he can do it. By himself, he probably couldn’t meet any deadlines, but I think there’s more to his “assistants” (“minions”) than he tells.

    I wanna say I really don’t have a problem with that. As long as he’s the one making the decisions in the end (but not doing the whole actual work), I’m fine with that.

    If there’s one thing I know for sure, is that there will be no awkward situations like the show finishing first. SOMEHOW, he’ll take care of it. Not sure if in the way I presume, but somehow.

  84. Ser Osis of Liver
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    I’m convinced that Arya will be on the ship to Braavos by 410, for sure. A nice wrapup to her Westeros storyline (part 1), especially after she denies Sandor the gift of mercy. In order for that “death” to be effective the audience will need him to stay “dead” for a while–it was an entire book before the readers found the Quiet Isle, after all.

    So having Brienne meet Stoneheart wouldn’t make a lot of sense in S4 and the time frames just aren’t right for this to work. Besides, we gotta give Gwendoline something to do next season! But on that note, after she and TriPod wind up on the wrong end of Stoneheart’s rope there’s a crapload of yet-unknown material that has to happen in TWoW (“SWORD!”), so this leaves me some hope that I might yet be receiving a 1500 page brick from Amazon before season 5 debuts.

  85. Hodoreo
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Purple Wedding confirmed episode 2

  86. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Ser Osis of Liver,

    Then we disagree. I agree that leaving the Hound dead for a while before giving hints about him being alive is nice, but it is not that important compared to other concerns (such as cutting the amount of storylines having to be followed in season 5). Also, it is not strictly necessary for Brienne to be the one to see him, or show him at all before he actually turns up in Kings Landing or wherever he will show up.

  87. House Mormont
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:32 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss: Episode 38 — The Gift of Mercy
    Episode 39 — The King Beyond the Wall
    Episode 40 — The Fall

    I hope these are real! The Fall would suggest “Only Cat” and “wherever whores go” are both in the same episode (the fall of house lannister and out the moon door)
    And as someone mentioned before, King Beyond the Wall works on three levels
    The Gift of Mercy is ironic because Arya gave no mercy, nor did the Mountain.

    “Two Swords” also references Arya and the Hound, so maybe they have scenes in episode 1

    Maginor,

    If Brienne is to end up meeting Stoneheart at the end of the season, Quiet Isle could happen on her way back to finding Jaime

  88. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:34 pm | Permalink

    Maginor: Also, it is not strictly necessary for Brienne to be the one to see him, or show him at all before he actually turns up in Kings Landing or wherever he will show up.

    Actually, the most likely thing to happen is for the Gravedigger to have heard that Brienne is looking for the Stark girls, and have followed her. I thought that was the main reason why we had them “meeting” in the first place – not just to see that he’s alive, to make him aware that the Lannisters (from his point of view; everyone thinks Brienne is working for Jaime) are still looking for the Stark girls, and to decide whether he really wants to stay dead for all the world, or if he wants to help them.

  89. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:35 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I really hope are real as well – they’re awesome. The Fall is also nice because last season we had ‘The Climb’.

    The King beyond the wall is awesome but I’m struggling to find the three meanings?

  90. Rene
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:38 pm | Permalink

    So only two more episodes with Jack Gleeson, he shall be missed, but Joffrey won’t. I can’t wait for the youtube movies with viewers reaction on the purple wedding. instead of “Nooooooo”, we now will hear “Yesssssssss!”

  91. House Mormont
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:41 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    woah you’re right that’s an awesome parallel

    1) King of the Wildings and the Free Folk: Mance Rayder
    2) King in the Narrow Sea: Stannis Baratheon
    3) (debatable) The Prince that was Promised: Jon Snow

    Rene,

    Actually I hope it’s really hard and uncomfortable to watch, I mean if you think about it it’s a really horrific scene

  92. Bui Huu Duyet
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    It is interesting to have a closer look on how Valyrian steel is reforged. And the wedding is definitely in the second episode!

  93. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:46 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Ahhh I see. Yes there are several potential kings at the Wall…

  94. Lex
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Cool titles. I hope they actually explain the stuff about Ice. It was never even made clear that they used Ice to kill Ned.

  95. House Mormont
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    I forgot the biggest king, old Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg

  96. Al Swearengen
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 12:50 pm | Permalink

    Interesting, I was not expecting to see the PW so early. And if it is indeed that early it also means we’re likely to see some of Brienne’s AFFC arc this season.

  97. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:01 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, episode 10 better be Only a Cat of a Different Coat. They gave me my Oathkeeper, but done away Kingslayer for episode 3 and The Bells of Baelor for episode 2. Also, the Snake and the Mountain has zero chance of appearing now that we have The Lion and the Rose

    The Gift of Mercy and/or Crossroads for episode 8 would be good as well (assuming THAT happens then).

  98. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:04 pm | Permalink

    I’m guessing that the first two episodes will have to be really, really KL heavy. They’ll have to be. The other characters will probably only get one scene over the course of the two of them.
    Two swords will almost certainly be the weakest of the season because there’s going to have to be a massive info dump to introduce Oberyn. IIRC the show has only mentioned Dorne in passing so they’ll have to go over the history. Maybe there will be some hilarious and gross sexposition with Cersei and Jaime.

  99. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:16 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Come on. You’re better than that. Unless you’re a leaker, in which case… Come on. You’re better than that.

  100. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Cool info!
    Just adding that those running times are known to change closer to the airing. Take it with a grain of salt, more like an approximation.

  101. Summer is Coming
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    My first mention. :) Thx Fury!
    About the titles I like 2, 3 and 4 but for the premiere I really hope the change it to “House of the Rising Sun” making it a strong introduction to the Son of Dorne.
    And although 2 is called “The Lion and the Rose”, I hope 8 will be “The Viper and the Mountain”
    3 could have been called “Kingslayer“, since, you know, that’s Jaime’s nickname *wink*
    “Oathkeeper” is the only one that I would keep, no matter what. Is the sword, and it’s Jaime. Love it!

  102. Sean C.
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Al Swearengen:
    Interesting, I was not expecting to see the PW so early.

    That’s been spoiled for several months.

  103. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:31 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Good to see more people rallying behind the Kingslayer for episode 3 banners. It would have been perfect: Jamie the Kingslayer, Tyrion the accused Kingslayer, Littlefinger and the Tyrells being the true Kingslayers, a bit of Roose (who killed King Robb) and maybe a bit of Stannis/Mel (who killed King Renly) on the side… The looming question “who killed Joffrey?!” will likely take center stage in that episode (and the fans will probably go crazy over it as well)- who is the Kingslayer?

    Missed opportunity IMO. But oh well, it’s just a title. The episode itself is much more important, and it seems to have been handled quite well considering the footage we’ve seen so far (and the fact that the GRRMpkins wrote it).

  104. Brian
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    I’m trying to figure out what Breaker of Chains could be referring to. There’s a handful of options:

    Dany in Meereen, but that seems early.
    Asha trying to free Theon
    Dontos/Brienne/Littlefinger freeing Sansa from King’s Landing

  105. Summer is Coming
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    It really is a good title; a powerful title. Full of truth and misleading too. How about the title I suggest for ep 1?

  106. tyrell19
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Could episode 3 be Dany’s first appearance this season. its the only sense I can make of the title as surely they couldn’t have the siege of meereen finish that early.

  107. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Yes, it’s great. I like it. I wanted it to be something RV related and your suggestion is as good as any I’ve seen thrown around.

  108. Al Swearengen
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.: That’s been spoiled for several months.

    Not for me it hasn’t. I was expecting episode 4 at the earliest because I’d figure they’d at least give Oberyn and Mace a couple episodes to introduce themselves.

  109. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad they’ve picked Breaker of Chains as a title for it’s multiple angles, but TL&TR sounds a bit contrived after TW&TL. Greenjones’ suggestion of Monsters and Maidens is still the spiritual title I want to use. I really hope one of the episodes is titled Songs of the Earth, and maybe Three Tiers Has the Hat of the Iron Banker :(.

  110. Watson
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    HBO has already confirmed that their new movie A Normal Heart is airing the Sunday of Memorial weekend. It puts a gap between eps 7 and 8.

  111. Hard Truths
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:02 pm | Permalink

    Looks like we will be getting a lot of AFFC and ADWD this season.

    “Breaker of Chains” likely refers to the taking of Mereen and “Oathkeeper” the start of Brienne’s search.

  112. cosca
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Nah, you can’t be naming GoT episodes after classic real world songs. This isn’t True Blood.

    Kingslayer would have been great though

  113. Nerd
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:16 pm | Permalink

    Nice! I hope this means I’ll be getting my screeners soon. Last season they sent out the first 4 episodes. Im guessing that is where the title info came from.

  114. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    ^Are you Obama?

  115. Sean C.
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    “Two Swords” will likely refer to both (1) the reforging of Ice into Oathkeeper and Widow’s Wail and (2) Jaime and Arya getting new swords (an old sword back, in Arya’s case).

  116. ATG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    A 58 minutes first episode, HELL YES!

  117. One Realm One King
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Well I think “The Fall” would be a good choice for episode 4×10 but I seriously want something like “Hearts of Stone” refering:

    1. Lady Stoneheart
    2. Shae/Tywin/Tyrion scenes
    3. ‘Only Cat’

    Also, “You Know Nothing” for episode 4×07 or 4×08.

  118. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    ‘Kingslayer’ as the title of episode 3 would be a major spoiler as to the events of the second episode. That is why it would notwork.

    I like the titles, especially the third and fourth episodes. And now that I’ve seen it mentioned, ‘The King Beyond The Wall’ has to be the title of episode nine. It is perfect. I’m surprised I didn’t see it mentioned before.

  119. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    One Realm One King,

    I like ‘The Fall’ better. In general, some of the suggestions for episode titles always seem too wordy and rarely roll off the tongue, or they are too spoilery. I think the show does a better job of coming up with episode titles than us fans.

  120. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    I was hoping for “A Knight of the Kingsguard” in there, but may not happen.

  121. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    Doesn’t roll off of the tongue. Shorten it to just ‘The Kingsguard’ and maybe it could work. Or maybe just ‘Lord Commander’, if you are referring to Jaime.

  122. One Realm One King
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 2:57 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Well, it could be somewhat spoilery, but mainly for book readers, like last season’s The Rains of Castamere.

    But I have to admit that ‘The Fall’ has a good degree of elegant simplicity.

  123. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:03 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    It really isn’t a spoiler. Unsullied who would see the episode title would think the title refers to Jamie. Either way, it doesn’t matter now.

  124. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    Given that he most likely dies in ep 7 just before the Memorial Day hiatus, I can’t see them wasting what little time they have with Oberyn by postponing his introduction to ep 2.

  125. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Yes and no. To me, it is too much of a risk.

  126. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    The duel will be in episode 8.

  127. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    You are looking in hindsight. No one will expect that to happen so early in the season, and an episode title that only a fraction of the fanbase will be aware of before it airs will not be to revealing to anyone. It’s not like I suggested “Joffrey’s Funeral”.

  128. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I think it’s just right as a length. No matter now. Either way this should be a great season for NCW.

  129. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    Greatjon of Slumber,

    He says here in a TotalFilm article that he misses the mud from s3 but that he’s glad to no loner have “Prince Charming hair”.

  130. Phil
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    with the trailer and the titles of epiosdes 1 and 4, they are really focusing on the two swords, which frankly, aren’t all that important considering all the stuff they have to get around to in the first episode.

    Also, still sorta hoping Jamie and Brieanne get sent out of King’s landing for the Joffrey’s wedding. It really changes a lot if he’s there. I really hate these book changes that don’t have to do with budget or time and could be easily fixed.

  131. Boojam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Dragolf:
    George’s episode is the shortest. :/

    Hmm… I guess they let George pick the one of the juiciest sequences he wants every other season?
    I see he did not jump on episode 9 this season, maybe because episode 9 season 2 had a lot of mods to it.

  132. Bard
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    If “Oathkeeper” is episode 4, that probably means we’ll get a lot of Briennes AFFC storyline, because Jaime will send her on her mission in that episode.

  133. Dutch maester
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    Boojam: Hmm… I guess they let George pick the one of the juiciest sequences he wants every other season?
    I see he did not jump on episode 9 this season, maybe because episode 9 season 2 had a lot of mods to it.

    Actually, D&D assign an episode to George, so he doesn’t get to choose at all. They gave him a better one than last season, that’s for sure

  134. Tomato Knight
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    One Realm One King:
    Well I think “The Fall” would be a good choice for episode 4×10 but I seriously want something like “Hearts of Stone” refering:

    1. Lady Stoneheart
    2. Shae/Tywin/Tyrion scenes
    3. ‘Only Cat’

    Also, “You Know Nothing” for episode 4×07 or 4×08.

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    “Joffrey’s Funeral” classic

  135. Winterdark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:05 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    Yes that definitely seems very possible and I agree that the fight at the Inn (I believe Brienne has part of her cheek bitten off there and not her nose but I might be mistaken) is a better ending point for the season than the fight at the Whispers. However that does mean that season 5 is already going to include stuff from TWOW which probably won’t be released by the time season 5 airs. We all knew that was coming but it still saddens me. I really wanted to read te ending of the series before watching it. Ah well such is life. Btw: what’s that Battle of Winterfell you’re talking about? I recall no such thing. The Battle of Mereen will be in TWOW I know that but the other battle in that book will be a battle beyond the wall. Or are you referring to Theon’s spectacular escape in ADWD?

  136. Sapphire
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    It was her cheek that was bitten. Her nose is fine. But I agree that Brienne’s season arc will end with her being attacked by biter and then meeting Lady Stoneheart. I’m sad that there will be no Hyle Hunt.

  137. Laszlo
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    He or she means the battle between the Boltons and Stannis’ forces. It won’t be at Winterfell yet, Stannis is holed in some smaller keep currently, but it’s not beyond the Wall either.

  138. Sean C.
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Tomato Knight,

    What part of “spoilers tags” do people find so hard?

  139. Patchy Face
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    One more King Beyond the Wall – could mean Bran Stark

  140. Dnis
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    Onion Knight,

    Actually, I hope these titles are accurate precisely because of what it means for Dany’s storyline. In my view, Season 5 needs to end with Dany on her way to Westeros. The less time in Meereen, the better.

  141. Jordan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Maybe I’ll end up disappointed here, but I don’t think the show will run through all of Brienne’s AFFC storyline this season I think that the ear she will bite will not be Rorge or Biter/in that fight but will be Locke (mirroring Vargo Hoat in the book)

    Also, I see over at Westeros speculation that one of the Two Swords of the episode 1 title will be Needle- meaning Arya will get her sword back in episode 1. I doubt it- that incident is kind of the climax of her arc this season. I do think it is likely that we will see Poliver has the sword in the first episode.

  142. Laszlo
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    Dnis,

    Yeah, that ain’t happening. Even if they could somehow fit her flying away, doing whatever she’ll do, and then coming back, with the battle in Meereen in between, that still leaves the problem that this is the point when her storyline collides with the rest, meaning the other storylines also have to get that far, which can’t really be done.

  143. Sean C.
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Jordan:
    Also, I see over at Westeros speculation that one of the Two Swords of the episode 1 title will be Needle- meaning Arya will get her sword back in episode 1. I doubt it- that incident is kind of the climax of her arc this season. I do think it is likely that we will see Poliver has the sword in the first episode.

    There are set photos and even pieces of the promo showing Arya with Needle while the Hound is still alive and clearly not injured.

  144. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Arya is seen in far too much footage holding on to Needle, and it is very likely she will be getting it early (and that the chronology will be changed a bit, splitting the fight scene at the Inn to two separate fight scenes).

    But in the end, who knows…

  145. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Very unlikely. The duel being in episode 7 makes the perfect cliffhanger going into the memorial weekend break. Then Tyrion’s escape can be in episode 8, The Battle of Castle Black will take up most(all?) of episode 9 & Tyrion murdering Tywin can be in episode 10.

  146. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Tomato Knight,

    Spoiler tags please! That’s a pretty big spoiler…

  147. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Sorry to break it to you, but what Tyrion Pimpslap suggests is far from unlikely. In fact, it’s very likely. It would be a bad move to split the escape and the murder into two episodes. That means one Tyrion scene in episode 8 and one in episode 10. In general, the escape and the murder come together, and putting the battle at the Wall in between them would not only be chronologically confusing to most viewers, but would also be spreading Tyrion’s story too thin. I’d rather they spread it thin in the trial sections than in the duel and escape sections, and I am willing to bet that the duel will end episode 8.

  148. Turncloak
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    GG:
    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Very unlikely. The duel being in episode 7 makes the perfect cliffhanger going into the memorial weekend break. Then Tyrion’s escape can be in episode 8, The Battle of Castle Black will take up most(all?) of episode 9 & Tyrion murdering Tywin can be in episode 10.

    Tyrions escape will not last two episodes. That would be stupid

  149. mal
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Oh my, I just had a thought, SPOILER: Shae belongs to Petyr Baelish! She helps Sansa on the boat instead of Dantos. At first I suspected Shae belonged to Cersei considering Shae acted a little star/royalty-struck just before Cersei insulted her during the Blackwater episode. Now I’m pretty sure it’s Petry all along. So the whole Shae loves Tyrion thing is FAKE FAKE ! Ahhh…

  150. Dnis
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:03 pm | Permalink

    Laszlo,

    I don’t know what will go on in tWoW, but a lot can happen “on the way” to somewhere else, as Stannis has found out, especially in winter. Hey. a man can dream…

  151. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    The best course of action for Tyrion that I’d like to see would be to have:

    Ep 8 be the escape and murder or Tywin/Shae
    Ep 9 purely at the wall
    Ep 10 Tywin’s funeral and Cersei burning down the Tower of the Hand. While “A Lannister Always pays his Debts” from S3 OST is playing. At the build up of the song (2:17) cut to a ship and reveal that Tyrion is going abroad to end his season.

  152. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:18 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,
    Nick_Scryer,

    The duel will be episode eight. D and D said that the last three episodes of this season will have some of the moments that are reason they wanted to adapt the series. Also Halfthor Bjornson (the new Gregor) said that he would be appearing in 3 episodes. We have seen set pics from the duel itself in which he is fully armoured and in that arena-like location and we have seen him shirtless hacking killing what looks to be beggars in a separate location by the city walls. These sorts of scenes we know will be in ep. 7 because of this.

    This will be buildup/setup for the next episodes big moment. I make this bet now.

  153. Sister Wrister
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Phil: with the trailer and the titles of epiosdes 1 and 4, they are really focusing on the two swords, which frankly, aren’t all that important considering all the stuff they have to get around to in the first episode.

    Also, still sorta hoping Jamie and Brieanne get sent out of King’s landing for the Joffrey’s wedding. It really changes a lot if he’s there. I really hate these book changes that don’t have to do with budget or time and could be easily fixed.

    I disagree, I think the swords are of huge importance. I really hope they take the time to flesh their history out as well.

    I do agree with you on this change in particular… Jaime really never had to make it to KL so quickly… The scene last season between he and cersei kinda sucked, felt rushed an unnecessary

  154. Maginor
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    Ah, yes it was Briennes cheek. There will most likely be a battle at or near Winterfell early in tWoW between Baratheon and Bolton/Frey forces. In the end of DwD, Jon receives a letter of it already having happened, but that is probably a lie. However, I think GRRM has said that the opening of tWoW will focus on two major battles, the battle of ice (Winterfell), and the battle of fire (Mereen). When you refer to a battle beyond the Wall, are you talking about Hardhome? I think there may also be a new confrontation at Castle Black since Jon is no longer able to hold things together.

    Edit: He didn’t specifically state that the battle in Ice was the one at Winterfell, I just always assumed it. However, it would be strange if there was not a confrontation there early in the book.

  155. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    It’s not about budget, it is about practicality. He and Brienne departed Harrenhal at the end of episode 7. How the hell is it supposed to take 5 episodes for him to reach KL? Jaime being there changes nothing. Everyone is worried about him seeing Sansa, but really, what would he do? She is safer as the wife of Tyrion then she is being taken away by Brienne to lord knows where. Lysa is set to marry Littlefinger, who is part of the small council and is aligned with the Lannisters, so that rules out the Eyrie. Riverrun is not safe either. So really, there is nowhere safe that Jaime could send her.

  156. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Can someone help me out with the following, re “Two Swords”: I know the blades are melted down from Ice and reforged into the two new ones. But in Chapter 1, Bran, Game of Thrones, it’s explicit that “the blade was Valaryian steel, spell-forged and dark as steel.” So if that’s true — and not a manner of speech — how was it that Tywin was able to have the blades remade? The alloy would be Valaryian, but the blade requires ancient magic to make it what it is. Through the first two books, I’d just assumed that while the swords could be remounted and such, the blades were all there were in the world. Did I miss a detail in SoS that Twyin had access to some power to do this, or is it actually necessary to forge the blade magically?

  157. Winterdark
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    I think the Battle of Ice is definitely a battle beyond the wall. Probably between loyal Jon supporters and the new rulers. Considering the fact that Jon’s death mirrored the death of Julius Ceasar (which makes it all the more fun that Ciaran Hinds was cast as a character in Jon’s storyline) I think it’s safe to say we’ll get a war between Brutus (Bowen Marsh) and Marc Anthony (Mance Rayder perhaps?) On the other hand I don’t think a battle at Winterfell is going to happen. Considering how easy Theon escaped from it I’d say the conquering of Winterfell will be more akin to the end of ACOC than an actual battle.

  158. cosca
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Nick_Scryer,

    Yes, I agree with this outline. It spreads out the awesome moments more, there’s already going to be enough happening in the finale without having Tywin shitting gold in there too (UnCat, Only Cat), and it also improves episode 7 by having the RV vs Gregor. We know that Tyrion choosing trial by combat will be in episode 6 from the Foreshadowing, it makes sense to have Oberyn volunteering and the combat itself in episode 7.

    Greenjones,

    I don’t see why you couldn’t have those scenes in the same episode to build up tension. I wouldn’t rule it out on those grounds.

  159. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Noob Takes the Black,

    The smiths of Qohor have the knowledge to reforge existing Valyrian Steel, including Gendry’s former master, Tobho Mott. New Valyrian Steel can’t be made though, because the technique was lost with Valyria itself. I pictured it being more magical than we see it in the Foreshadowing clip, but the molten metal seemed to be glittering (not sure if this is normal of course).

    I find it odd though that even though nearly all houses in Westeros great and small appear to have owned or still do own VS weapons, Reyne and Tarbeck apparently didn’t, or they probably would’ve been taken as a replacement for the lost Brightroar. I believe there were estimated to be 500 weapons of VS left in all the world. Not just swords and daggers, but axes and even in very rare cases, Dothraki Arakhs. As the Dothraki only emerged following the Doom, it’s probably a re-forge.

  160. Nick_Scryer
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Oh I agree that the duel will be ep8 and that Tyrion’s escape/ Kinslaying will be ep 10.
    I was just saying what I’d prefer to happen. :)

    With Brienne I hope her storyline goes something like:

    Gets her quest in ep4
    Has some talking/bonding/backstory with Pod scenes in ep5/6
    Runs into some trouble with Locke ep 6/7/8 and bites his ear off. Beats his companions and forces Locke to dig a grave. Kills Locke.
    Gets captured by BwB in ep10 and meets an old friend. Pod is Hanged.


    Season 5:
    Ep 1, Sets out for KL alone to get Jaime.
    Ep 2, Stops at Inn for shelter. Fight with Biter, gets badly injured.
    Ep 3/4/5 stops at the Quiet Isle and gets healed by Elder Brother. Scenes of Gravedigger. Hears that Jaime has left KL and heads for Riverrun.
    Ep 7, Meets Jaime and persuades him to follow her alone.
    Ep 8/9/10, WOW material

  161. tysnow
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    These first titles seem vague from a distance for the unsullied, even perhaps bland; though for sullied each can point to multiple plot points from the books/series.
    1. Two Swords of course points to ICE but also the Nights Watch (Sword in the darkness), and Bronn training Jaime (which might be this episode).
    2. The Lion and the Rose = Joff and Marg, Cersei and Loras, Jaime and Loras, Tywin and Mace.
    3. Breaker of Chains is alluding to many things, Sansa fleeing KL, Drogon flying away, probably Asha/Yara rescue attempt.
    4. Oathkeeper, definitely Jaime sending off Brienne, perhaps Jorah being exiled, Jon and the other Nights Watch brothers being tested.

    These titles could allude to more plot points, but cannot think of them atm.

  162. House Mormont
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    The battle of ice is in the village where Stannis is now, in Theon’s TWOW chapter he states that he has the higher ground, most likely referencing all the broken ice his men have made fishing around them
    If Stannis is victorious then there would need to be a Winterfell confrontation… if not then well… the Iron Bank needs a new friend

    Winterdark,

    Any conflict on the Wall wouldn’t be a battle… it’d be a massacre

  163. Jordan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Good explanation. One thing I would dispute- I had figured that the Reynes must have had such a sword, given that there’s a mention in the books of an Ironborn who got a hold of a Valyrian Steel sword called “Red Rain”- seemed like an obvious pun and would explain why Tywin didn’t have it.

  164. Noob Takes the Black
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:11 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Much obliged, sir. It was a detail that always bothered me, but I guess the explanation was buried in the books but I missed it.

  165. Song
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    Only the fourth episode title excites me. I’d wished for more clever ones, maybe one geared towards the Red Viper.

    Breaker of Chains will probably feature a lot of Dany and Sansa. I think Dontos won’t be killed off after helping Sansa escape. Instead Littlefinger will drag him along to the Eyrie where he’ll take over Marillion’s role of scapegoat since Marillion can hardly remain a bard since his tongue was cut out in Season One.

  166. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    But having it in the one episode means that they’ve got to set up Tyrion’s escape and explain why Shae is in Tywin’s bed. TV Shae is very different from book Shae so we’re probably going to get a lot more material explaining what’s going on there(why Tywin slept with Shae never really made much sense to me even in the books). Having to explain why TV Shae sleeps with Tywin/why Tywin sleeps with Shae & have Tyrion’s escape(along with the info dump that occurs with it) and whatever other stories are gonna be in the episode is too many moving parts at once. It’d be nicer to spread it out. And what’s wrong with having only one Tyrion scene in each episode? His material is too distended in the show, espec in s3. I know PD is amazing but making up mediocre scenes for him is silly. How is it chonologically confusing? Just have the murder & the escape occur on different nights, instead of just one night. It’s not that hard.

    Turncloak,

    It doesn’t have to “last” 2 episodes. Have him escape, have the scene with Jaime & disappear into the night with Varys in ep 8. Then, in ep 10, they can explain the whole Tywin/Shae dynamic and how that comes into being and then have Tyrion appear out of left field when Tywin goes to the loo. That would work. Having it all in one ep means that both ep 2 & ep 10 will circulate almost exclusively around King’s Landing. It was bad enough last season with all the extra KL stuff. We don’t need more of it now .

  167. Dark Heart
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:18 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone considered the possibility that Season 5 might not come in 2015, but 2016?

    It’s not uncommon for a season to take 2 years to film/complete, Mad Men being an example.

    It would work in GRRM’s favour, and allow the writers to plan ahead and know how to pace out the story.

    Of course, i’m sure we’d all hate to wait 2 years for another season, but it might be worth doing in the long run.

  168. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:21 pm | Permalink

    mal,

    That is the only theory I’ve heard that would properly explain why TV-Shae would sleep with Tywin. Although, I still find it kind of annoying cos it would mean that Varys had no idea Shae was a spy. They’ve dumbed Varys up enough in the show already. The need to stop making it seem like Littlefinger is smarter than Varys.

  169. cosca
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    Nope. 0 chance of that. It’s not at all in HBO’s interests, and GRRM would probably still not finish on time. Not to mention that the child actors are ageing fairly rapidly.

  170. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    That is a possibility. The Sopranos also did that for reasons of funding. Postponing a season to give the source material a chance to catch up is an understandable reason although it would suck to wait 2 years

  171. sphinx is the riddle
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    The lion and the Rose, mmm yum.

  172. House Mormont
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Do you think theyll keep him knowing all of Tyrion’s conversations word for word at the trial?

  173. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    The only thing I really can’t figure out with how this season will play out is to with episode 9.

    If episode 9 is exclusively the battle of castle black then it will be weird if all the other fast moving storylines just suddenly stop for an episode. Especially the stuff with Tyrion.

    Is there any new on Neil Marshal directing anything other than the battle?

  174. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:42 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Greatjon of Slumber,

    He says herein a TotalFilm article that he misses the mud from s3 but that he’s glad to no loner have “Prince Charming hair”.

    The changes we see will be really something. NCW’s been killing it from the start. He, Lena, Peter, and of course Charles MF-ing Dance just make the Lannister family fantastic.

  175. Greatjon of Slumber
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Jordan: Maybe I’ll end up disappointed here, but I don’t think the show will run through all of Brienne’s AFFC storyline this season I think that the ear she will bite will not be Rorge or Biter/in that fight but will be Locke (mirroring Vargo Hoat in the book)

    I think this is likely – they’ll find a way to stretch this. The fight doesn’t need to happen just before Stoneheart anyway – there are many ways in which they could contrive a meeting with the BWB.

  176. Satin
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:50 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Neil Marshall directed all of ep 9. However, Maisie Williams appears to have said in an interview that she worked with him, which would mean there are other storylines in ep 9 than Battle at the Wall. Do we know for sure Marshall was talking only about Wall stuff when he mentioned three battles? Because Arya and Sandor fighting someone and Hound getting seriously wounded could also be a battle – at least per Hot Pie.

    Dark Heart,

    take a look at the size of the cast and the actors for Bran, Arya and Rickon, and you got your answer. Sitting out a year would be too expensive, and the kids would get older even faster.

  177. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Ah well Maise saying that would imply that there is other stuff in ep 9 then…
    It took my a sec but I got the Hot Pie logic haha

  178. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 6:58 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    With the implication being that Shae was Tywin’s spy the whole time? I dunno. I don’t think so. While it would explain why Shae never left Tyrion, it doesn’t explain why Tywin slept with her. Nor does it explain why they’ve gone out of their way to make Shae seem nice(espec her material with Sansa. Why did she bother to try and protect Sansa from Cersei knowing her period had started if she was working for the Lannisters since day 1?). And again, making Shae a spy for someone implies that someone is smarter than Varys, cos Varys didn’t know she was a spy. I have real issues with the way the show has dumbed down Varys.

    In my head, I’ve always explained it as maybe Shae sleeping with Tywin cos she thinks it’ll work quid pro quo for Tyrion’s freedom. Really, the lengths the show has gone to ingratiate Shae to the audience has me very confused as to what they’re going to do with her.

  179. Hounded
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Is this the new Talisa = honeypot theory?

  180. Jordan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Not sure where you are getting the impression the show presents Littlefinger as smarter than Varys- more evil certainly, but whether the show really presents Varys as the good guy is kind of debatable since the idea of Littlefinger as bad guy and Varys as good guy often comes from…. Varys himself.

    Littlefinger continues to rise in status because that’s exactly what happens in the book.

    What I see as the evidence of Varys’ power/competence are freeing Tyrion/settign up Tyrion to kill Tywin and the Aegon reveal and neither of those things happened yet.

    Also, the show added that scene with the sorceror-in-a-box, which was pretty good evidence Varys is not someone you want to mess with.

    I guess the business with Olyvar showed Littlefinger having too easy of a coup, but up til then, there hadn’t been enough scenes showing Littlefinger is competent.

    Edit- And I don’t think Shae will be revealed to be anyone’s spy the whole time.

  181. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:08 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Maisie Williams also said working with him again, which doesn’t make sense because she had never worked with him previously. She also referred to him as “our director”, as if he was one of the directors doing more than one episode this season. Personally I think she made a talking mistake and meant Alex Graves who’s doing four episodes this season and did two last season. Though I could be very wrong. In the words of Tormund: “We’ll find out soon enough.”

  182. WompWomp
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    cosca:
    Dark Heart,

    Nope. 0 chance of that. It’s not at all in HBO’s interests, and GRRM would probably still not finish on time. Not to mention that the child actors are ageing fairly rapidly.

    Agreed. ZERO chance of that scenario. D&D and GRRM have had meetings with the particular purpose of briefing D&D on the broad strokes of ASOIAF’s conclusion so they can proceed without GRRM releasing TWOW or ADOS in time for them to adapt from the books proper. The show must go on regardless of GRRM’s progress, and everyone involved knows it. Besides, it’s not like the writers have the luxury of putting off what must be done. Work on S5′s scripts will begin pretty much as soon as S4 is finished.

  183. Sam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    Question: Do episode directors on GOT actually direct “episodes”? Do they actually fly from country to country, shooting every scene that’s in a given episode? That seems crazy.

  184. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Sam,

    Yeah they do. They shoot one location at a time though, so it’s not quite as crazy as it sounds. It is a long commitment though. Especially for Alex Graves who did four episodes this year!

  185. Iron Bank of Wit
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    Winterdark,

    Yeah, 1 – 3 are weak. I thought after seeing the preview that ep 2 would be “Purple Reign.”

  186. Ser Pounce
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    I really thought the book fans would be pleased with the show, seems like all you book fans do is bash on D&D and bitch about episode titles. I think season 4 will be awesome and looking forward to skipping AFFC and ADWD material.

  187. Sam
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    So to clarify, they spend a while in Iceland and shoot all the scenes they might have to do there, even if it’s for more than one episode? Then they go to Croatia and repeat the process?

  188. Alan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    A-Gone: If he wants to, I think he can do it. By himself, he probably couldn’t meet any deadlines, but I think there’s more to his “assistants” (“minions”) than he tells.

    I wanna say I really don’t have a problem with that. As long as he’s the one making the decisions in the end (but not doing the whole actual work), I’m fine with that.

    If there’s one thing I know for sure, is that there will be no awkward situations like the show finishing first. SOMEHOW, he’ll take care of it. Not sure if in the way I presume, but somehow.

    Wait, do you really think he’s not writing every word of Winds of Winter? Is that what you are implying? This has got to be one of the more idiotic theories I’ve heard.

  189. Alan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    I really thought the book fans would be pleased with the show, seems like all you book fans do is bash on D&D and bitch about episode titles. I think season 4 will be awesome and looking forward to skipping AFFC and ADWD material.

    Small, vocal, weird internet minority. I’m a huge book fan and love the show, like 90% of people who have read the book.

    Really count the number of regular complainers. Then realize that these are the biggest crazies across a fanbase that numbers in the millions. The internet fanbase is not a representative sample.

  190. cosca
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Iron Bank of Wit,

    You can’t have joke references to 80s pop songs as your episode titles, that’s just awful.

  191. Greenjones
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Sam,

    You could reach the production section on their Wikipedia page and Game of Thrones wiki page, it would be helpful than I could be. To my understanding, they double up filming with two units shooting simultaneously. So one director would be in Belfast while another would be in Dubrovnik. Then they would travel to the other location when their scenes were scheduled to shoot.

  192. Dorian
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Noob Takes the Black:
    Can someone help me out with the following, re “Two Swords”:I know the blades are melted down from Ice and reforged into the two new ones.But in Chapter 1, Bran, Game of Thrones, it’s explicit that “the blade was Valaryian steel, spell-forged and dark as steel.”So if that’s true — and not a manner of speech — how was it that Tywin was able to have the blades remade?The alloy would be Valaryian, but the blade requires ancient magic to make it what it is.Through the first two books, I’d just assumed that while the swords could be remounted and such, the blades were all there were in the world.Did I miss a detail in SoS that Twyin had access to some power to do this, or is it actually necessary to forge the blade magically?

    Its stated in ASOS that “a few” master armorers could rework Valyrian Steel, but the secret of making Valyrian steel has been lost.

  193. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Is what the new Talisa-honeypot theory? It’s undeniable that the character they’ve built in the show is very differnt to the character in the book. GRRM has highlighted that Shae’s nothing like her book counterpart. So it’s not that farfetched that, while she’ll meet the same end, how she gets there will be different.

  194. KG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:57 pm | Permalink

    It’s a little embarrassing, people getting this excited over episode titles.

  195. Jason Isaacs
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 8:58 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    It’s a little embarrassing, people getting this excited over episode titles.

    This.

    THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

  196. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:06 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Oh God they dumb down Varys all the time. In season 1(when Littlefinger figures out that Varys met Illyrio), not only would LF have never confronted V with that info, but V would never have allowed him to figure it out in the first place. (There’s also something in the 2nd season but I forget what it is so we’ll move right past that). Then, in the 3rd season, there’s the whole Ros debacle. My main issue with that is how pointless it was, as well as a missed opportunity. But the bigger issue is that, again, they paint the situation as LF being 2 steps ahead of Varys & that he is out-thinking him. This is simply not the case. While LF is by no means stupid, he’s not on Varys’ level. But the show keeps on making Varys less enigmatic & intelligent than he is in the books and it annoys me to no end.

    I don’t think Shae gonna be revealed as someone’s spy either. But they’ve gone to great pains to say that TV-Shae is indeed in love with Tyrion(see her scenes in s2e10 & s3e10). They’ve also shown a lot of scenes of her doing the right thing and basically being a good person(see Sansa menstrual scene). I have my doubts that someone as gold-diggery as book-Shae would have gone to all that trouble. She certainly wouldn’t have thrown away a small fortune like the one Varys offered her at the end of last season.

  197. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:07 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    For who? You? Cos if it’s embarrassing for you, then go somewhere else. The rest of us are fine.

  198. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:10 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    So, if Shae is indeed in love with Tyrion like the shows wants us to think she is, what is she doing in bed with Tywin?

  199. Sean C.
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    GG:
    GG,

    So, if Shae is indeed in love with Tyrion like the shows wants us to think she is, what is she doing in bed with Tywin?

    We have no idea. That doesn’t mean that theories about Shae secretly working for somebody else aren’t all inconsistent with her behaviour to this point.

  200. cosca
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 9:53 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Where are you getting any of this? How do you know that LF couldn’t possibly outsmart Varys, or any of these other assumptions you’ve made?

  201. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    I never said they were. But, whether she’s a spy or not, that still doesn’t explain why she sleeps with Tywin. That’s what I’m theorizing about. How does she get there?

  202. ace
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    Interesting that it might look like they making some emphasis that the non book readers can remember the swords. Could be significant in the future?

  203. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:14 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Because that’s how he is in the books. Varys operates on another level compared to LF. He’s more intelligent than LF. His spy-network is more extensive & fruitful. He’s more capable & has skills LF could only dream of. He’s more daring & unpredictable. I’m not saying LF is stupid or incapable. But saying he could outsmart Varys is like saying Brian Cox could outsmart Stephen Hawking.

  204. KG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:20 pm | Permalink

    I have limits on my fan geekiness, that’s all. Everyone has Their Line. Peeing my pants over an episode title is over My Line.

    GG:
    KG,

    For who? You? Cos if it’s embarrassing for you, then go somewhere else. The rest of us are fine.

  205. Alan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 10:36 pm | Permalink

    GG:
    mal,

    That is the only theory I’ve heard that would properly explain why TV-Shae would sleep with Tywin. Although, I still find it kind of annoying cos it would mean that Varys had no idea Shae was a spy. They’ve dumbed Varys up enough in the show already. The need to stop making it seem like Littlefinger is smarter than Varys.

    How about the idea that she’s a whore and will do it for money / to not be executed? Shae is a pragmatist and Tyrion is done for. There’s no reason for her to commit suicide.

  206. GG
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:03 pm | Permalink

    Alan,

    But she’s in love with Tyrion(or so the show would have us believe) so it can’t be for money. As for not being executed, that would be a reason I suppose. Although I don’t know why she wouldn’t just tell Tyrion that. But maybe she does and he doesn’t believe her. Although I think it would be creepily out of character for Tywin to intimidate a woman into bed. We’ll see.

    Either way, the woman threw a small fortune back in Varys’ face and told him where to go. Pragmatism clearly left the building a long time ago.

  207. Johnny SD
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    I kinda think they make completely change Brienne’s arc. Not sure she goes on her search.

  208. Alan
    Posted March 2, 2014 at 11:48 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion’s done for. Shae isn’t going to cling to a sinking ship. She’s got to find a way to survive, no matter how much she loved Tyrion. She may try to explain when Tyrion enters, but I suspect he’ll be too mad to care.

    As for Tywin, in the books he seems to despise prostitution but sleeps with Shae; I’m not really sure why you’d think this is out of character. Or at least exclusive to the show.

    It actually makes a whole lot of sense to me.

  209. JoffreyTrueKing
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    GG,

    I’m just glad you’re not the showrunner lol

  210. Felt Pelt
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:13 am | Permalink

    I’ve always loved the idea that Shae’s always been in Tywin’s pocket. She fell in love with Tyrion despite herself. She is coerced into testifying with threats of pain to herself and others. Nothing really needs to be explained, just suggested, as in the books. Tyrion turns murderous before she has a chance to explain herself.

    All we need is a scene of Cersei cajoling her into testifying, or we could have a reveal where she is a submissive informant to Tywin in his office.

  211. Jordan
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:11 am | Permalink

    Re the Varys/Littlefinger thing @ GG- None of those things really stood out to me (or to the extent they did, it was in terms of “showing Littlefinger’s intelligence/usefulness” rather than D&D setting out to present Varys as stupid”.

    As a book reader, I agree that Varys is a different kind of schemer than Littlefinger, and does seem on a different level in terms of his mysterious resources and motives. The idea that he’s a genius compared to whom Littlefinger is just average seems like a combination of stuff that hasn’t happened yet in the show/your own reading of the character.

    I guess it shouldn’t surprise me by now that for every character in the book/show there’s someone out there who thinks D&D are hacks who set out to butcher the character.

    This situation sort of reminds me of Jaime’s swordsmanship- like because the show presents Ned and Brienne as (near) equals/within the same grouping of great warriors, there’s people who are convinced that D&D butchered Jaime’s character and presented him as a weakling- like it’s a zero sum game that if one character is made stronger it must mean that D&D set out to make the other weaker.

  212. UtherGreenShirt
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:04 am | Permalink

    the trek Brienne the Beauty takes shows what effect the war has had on the small folk from all over the land. the pain and suffer that has rocked the island no matter what banner they fought for and against. GOT follows around those lucky few that plopped out of some high born legs not focusing on what those high borns choices due to people below them. The Beauty’s trek is important to see the suffering that the wars had before sadly winter and the true enemy that rides inside decends upon them. That is the tragic part of all so busy trying to sit on blades to never notice.

    Shae? well what is shae? she is a lady of the night. there is nothing truely shocking about tywin and shae she moves up in the world with the “most powerful” man in the kingdom and live in luxery with a full sized man. I could see Shae being a spy for several people at different times. Gold is cold but silks are warm. She act like she loves him but does she truly? She protects Sansa cus she is paid to and it wins favor. Shae does have a dark side and a boiling pot of anger and jelousy. We will see in the trial and after what her true nature really is. BTW the dual is 8 and the golden throne is 10.

    :) I like all the titles.

    Tywin doesnt like whores publicly but there is good reason that privately he has different thoughts on the matter. I mean Tyrion got his love for them from somewhere….and he is the only true son of Tywin.

  213. Don't care
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:36 am | Permalink

    “King beyond the Wall” is an awful title for 4.09.
    The battle is Jon’s and the Nights Watch moment. The title should reference that. I’m all for “Castle Black” as the title.

  214. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:01 am | Permalink

    Don’t care,

    I think “Blood and Snow” or something like that also works.

  215. Greenjones
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:32 am | Permalink

    I’m still hoping we get “the Last of the Giants” for 409 and here the song this season. I’m glad that everyone who guessed “Oathkeeper” as a title has been vindicated! It was so promising thematically and I’m glad good old Bryan called his ep. that!

    BTW off topic but does this Rolling Stones bootleg bring ASOIAF/GoT to mind for you all like it does for me? I listened to it a lot last year during ASOS rereadings and S3 anticipation and it evoked a hell of a lot for me. Its doing the same this year.

  216. Ser Tahu
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:08 am | Permalink

    I called ‘Breaker of Chains’ and ‘Oathkeeper’, although I was wrong about where they would be in the season :P. I don’t mind ‘Two Swords’ or ‘The Lion and the Rose’, either, although they aren’t that great (and, as others have pointed out, TLatR is too similar to ‘The Wolf and the Lion’ from season 1 for my liking).

    For the rest of the titles, I am still hoping for:
    4×06 – Turncloak
    4×07 – A Thousand Eyes and One
    4×08 – Say Her Name
    4×09 – Night Gathers
    4×10 – Only a Cat of a Different Coat

    I’ve got no clue what could work in 4×05. I was originally under the impression that the Oathkeeper scene would be in this episode. I think it is most likely to be the ‘Walk of Punishment’ of this season – it will have a title that no one predicted and that leaves book readers scratching their heads until the episode airs.

  217. Greenjones
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:14 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Of those “Turncloak” and “Night Gathers” don’t necessarily have to be this year. They could keep them in their pocket for next year as well if they wanted to, they are applicable enough thematically to quite a lot that has yet to take place. I still hope they find a place for “Monsters and Maidens”, one of my suggestions. As always we shall see, come the dawn.

  218. Ser Tahu
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:18 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,
    I agree there, but the same could have been said of ‘The North Remembers’ and ‘Valar Morghulis’. I don’t think episode titles are important enough for D&D to plan them years in advance, I think they just view the final cut of each episode and go from there when picking titles.

  219. Greenjones
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    True, but I like to think that they’re saving certain names like Lightbringer and Valonqar until later dates.

  220. Super Daario
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:28 am | Permalink

    I’m guessing the names refer to:

    Episode 1 – Two swords – Sir Loras jousts with a “friend”.

    Episode 2 – The Lion and the Rose – The napkins for the royal wedding are mistakingly embroidered with a Lannister Lion instead of the Baratheon Stag. Joffery has the embroiderer’s head served to Sansa at his wedding feast.

    Episode 3 – Breaker of Chains – Dany sets free a horse and names it “Chains”. Daario breaks Chains for Dany.

    Episode 4 – Oathkeeper – Theon keeps his oath and kills the man whom blew the horn outside the walls of Winterfell.

  221. dragonreborn
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:34 am | Permalink

    UtherGreenShirt,

    Shae? We will see in the trial and after what her true nature really is.

    didn’t shae met tyrion in twins camp? there really is the possibility shae has been a spy whole time
    and I still can’t take in that talisa wasn’t revealed as a spy at the end. all those secrets and letter hidings…

  222. Chickenduck
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 6:17 am | Permalink

    Dark Heart:
    Has anyone considered the possibility that Season 5 might not come in 2015, but 2016?

    Sure, it’s been suggested by a lot of people on here. I don’t think it’ll happen though.

  223. cosca
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 6:28 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    I hope the whole Valonqar thing is cut entirely. Cersei already has reasons to hate Tyrion and to be paranoid that are entirely in character, the prophecy is just cheap.

  224. GG
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    JoffreyTrueKing,

    If I was the showrunner, I would already know what happens so there’d be no need to speculate :P

  225. GG
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Jordan,

    I’m not saying they set out to butcher Varys character. I think he’s just an unfortunate casualty of trying to adapt a book series this huge. That doesn’t make it any less annoying though.

    Really, anyone who thinks D&D went out of their way to ruin a character is just plain stupid. They’re doing their best. It just makes me sad that their best is messing with one of my favourite characters.

  226. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 7:27 am | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    It’s possible, but concidering that all HBOs popular shows are coming to an end this year… It makes much more sense for HBO to keep their biggest show on air.

  227. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 7:35 am | Permalink
  228. cosca
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 8:45 am | Permalink

    GG,

    Your view of Varys reads more like fan fiction than anything supported by the books. He really hasn’t been butchered as a a character.

  229. sati
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 9:41 am | Permalink

    “A cat of a different cloak” is an awful idea. For the love of God, it’s from Lannister song. To allude to Cat this way is just…insulting.

    Each of the finale titles had connection to final scene, that’s why I don’t believe these rumoured titles are real.

  230. Sean C.
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 9:46 am | Permalink

    UtherGreenShirt:
    I could see Shae being a spy for several people at different times. Gold is cold but silks are warm. She act like she loves him but does she truly? She protects Sansa cus she is paid to and it wins favor.

    None of that has anything to do with the character on the show. First, being a spy for “several people at different times” is nonsense. Second, Shae has been shown quite clearly to not care about money. And Shae is not paid to protect Sansa; she’s acted on her behalf in ways totally contrary to her employers’ interests several times, when there was no benefit to her or to them.

  231. Bui Huu Duyet
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Episode 40: Cat – Only Cat, Cat the LS, and the lion in privy

  232. Laszlo
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    No, Shae won’t turn out to have been a spy all along, that kind of revelation wouldn’t come from nowhere, there would have been signs already, and not flimsy ones like “she didn’t take the money cause she was already being paid”. She’ll sleep with Tywin because she doesn’t really have a choice, love or no love. Plus by then they could have a falling out, like when Tyrion starts pointing fingers at Sansa.

  233. zambi76
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 10:52 am | Permalink

    Work on S5′s scripts will begin pretty much as soon as S4 is finished.

    I could swear I read somewhere from D&D that half of them are already done.

  234. Hounded
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 11:09 am | Permalink

    The only episode name I’m dead set on is ‘The Mortal Art’ for 5:09 with Daznak’s Pit. That term is mentioned several times in that chapter in the book and it seems the perfect choice to me.
    A Thousand Eyes and One, Stormborn, Lightbringer and Night Gathers would also make great titles

  235. MikeFromBraavos
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 11:14 am | Permalink

    Haha, I love it when people write “XX has to happen” and “they need to do YY before ZZ”.

    Have you not been paying attention? Just because it happened one way in the books, and YOU personally aren’t capable of imagining a different version, doesn’t mean the writers had that same problem. :)

  236. impuregold
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 11:34 am | Permalink

    OT: Preview for season 3 recap is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=behxqYFUzv4

  237. GG
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    cosca,

    I never said he was butchered. I just said they’ve dumbed him down a bit and it annoys me. That’s not the same as butchering. Can we at least agree that he’s not as rich a character as he is in the books? Which is nothing against Conleth Hill. He’s one of my faves in the cast and is the perfect casting. I just wish the writing for him was better.

  238. cosca
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    GG,

    No, I don’t agree. I feel he’s pretty much the same, except that he doesn’t have the annoying giggle in the show.

  239. Josh
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:03 pm | Permalink

    zambi76,

    D&D typically have the next season’s scripts done by the time a new season premieres, so you’re right that S5 is likely at least half done already.

  240. TyrionForPresident
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Tenesmus:
    Arya Stark,

    They may pull a “Great Hunt” ala Rand and Lan on the wall,and have the opening scene in KL be what we saw in the trailer; Jaime and Bronn sword fighting. Bronn bests him and we find out they were just training.

    Holy fandom collision, Batman. Was that a Wheel of Time reference or do my eyes deceive me!?

  241. House Mormont
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:20 pm | Permalink

    On the subject of episode titles, I just rewatched season 2, and why was 2×06 called the Old Gods and the New? I mean there was no oath swearing, no talk of gods, no one in a godswood or near a weirwood or in a sept, no talk of the old gods north of the wall, nothing

    other feedback from the rewatch
    1) The Fist of the First Men is actually a hill, yay I never noticed before, it all just looked like another slab of snow in iceland
    2) Robb is in the West and Tywin is in the Riverlands and they both talk like they’re fighting each other directly and no one confirms that they are actually doing different things… sigh
    3) So many things happen off screen, so many characters are half introduced, definitely the weakest season

    UtherGreenShirt: the trek Brienne the Beauty takes shows what effect the war has had on the small folk from all over the land

    Not really necessary in the show though is it, since the last time we say war in the Riverlands was season 1..

  242. umuckurlife
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:36 pm | Permalink

    episode 410 – No Gold in the Privy
    or The Son’s Quarrel

  243. Hounded
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:39 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Isn’t that the one where Brienne swears herself to Cat by the old gods and the new?

  244. wizardeyes
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:53 pm | Permalink

    I’m calling it now – Oathkeeper is going to be a freakin amazing episode

  245. erasure25
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    Maginor,

    They don’t need to reintroduce Dontos. At the beginning, they always do a recap. They just need to show his scene at Joffrey’s nameday where Sansa saves him during the recap.

  246. House Mormont
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Hounded,

    na that’s the episode before it strangely enough

  247. Greenjones
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    It’ll also feature the Jon attacking Craster’s Keep invented plot. According to the leaked call sheet and the actor playing Rast’s CV and this actress playing “Morag Craster” Both appear in a Michelle MacLaren-directed ep., presumably this one, “Oathkeeper.”

  248. cosca
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    3) So many things happen off screen, so many characters are half introduced, definitely the weakest season

    I can only think of a couple of things that happened offscreen, the Battle of Oxcross and Jaqen killing the Lannister guards. What else is there?

    wizardeyes,

    Why? I mean, we don’t have much confirmed for that episode yet. Just what Greenjones has posted above, and probably the Oathkeeper scene itself.

  249. sniederhouse
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Why is everyone talking about Lady Stoneheart as if she is for sure being included? Fairley is in 24 this year and hasn’t been confirmed for season 5. Stoneheart hasn’t done much of utter importance, I feel like we’d know who was playing her if she was in season 4.

  250. wizardeyes
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Well its written by Bryan Cogman and is directed by Michelle Maclaren…

    Aside from that I just have a feeling.

  251. Hounded
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Oh is it? I have no idea why its called that then!

  252. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    sniederhouse,

    Of course she is important, of course she will be included, and of course she will be played by Michelle Fairley. She wouldn’t even have a scheduling conflict with 24, since that will have finished filming by then.. And we haven’t heard anything of her because it is supposed to be a surprise. Most of the viewers are actually not book readers, and they like to keep even the book readers on their toes, that’s why we don’t know what people like Yara or Gendry will actually be doing, or how far along we’ll get in Brienne’s, Bran’s, and Theon’s stoylines. We don’t know if Pod will secretly follow Brienne or ride out with her, we don’t know why we already get some of the Lords Declarant, and we still don’t know how the Tyrion-Shae-Tywin situation exactly goes down. We all have more or less convincing guesses, but until we’ve seen the show, that’s all they are.

  253. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:41 pm | Permalink

    GG: Can we at least agree that he’s not as rich a character as he is in the books?

    Dear gods, no. Varys is pretty much a stereotype in the books, who mostly works because you know it’s something he performs himself. Show!Varys actually has genuine emotions. To put it with Hannibal, Show!Varys is a human being, Book!Varys is a Person Suit.

    Also, is there someone complaining for every character? Are there Hot Pie fans who think he’s been dumbed down for the show, too?

  254. Jordan
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 3:54 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Hot Pie didn’t look like Hot Pie (joking).

    But yes, I think what GG interprets has something to do with Varys being more “humanized” in the show/less mysterious, some of which is just an automatic result of the differences between POV structure in a book and “objective” presentation on screen.

    I personally think/predict RE Varys that the whole thing with seemingly setting him up so clearly as the “good guy” to Littlefinger’s bad guy is to make it shocking when he kills Pycelle and/or Kevin for bad reasons (it also wouldn’t surprise me if there were hints that he had a role in Tywin and Shae being in that room/set Tyrion up to kill them)

  255. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:03 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Poor Hot Pie. At least he makes great wolf bread.

    Mysterious doesn’t necessarily equal complex in my book. Besides, I think he’s still plenty mysterious. But differing strokes I guess. I think you are totally right, actually. I don’t buy “good guy” Varys for a second. The main difference between him and LF seems so far that he doesn’t take personal joy in screwing people over, and that he warns them more nicely first (see Ros vs Shae).

  256. wizardeyes
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Satin,

    Its a similar thing with Stannis. The show has humanized him and the mannis fans don’t seem to like it even though it makes him a richer character.

  257. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    and all because one of the Ds – the taller one? I don’t know which is which – once said Renly would make a better king in some behind the scenes thing. Which totally had nothing to do with surprise killing Renly. Nooo, they clearly hate him, so much that they *forced* the marketing team for S4 not to give him his own poster.

  258. Joshua Atreides
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    GG,

    Disagee. Like Lena Headey’s Cersei, Varys is far more interesting in the show. Similarly I think show Bolton is better than Book Bolton.

  259. Laszlo
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    How? They removed lot of his actually human scenes, like when he talks about why he doesn’t believe in gods, when he talks about Renly, when he goes to the Wall because Davos appeals to his sense of duty to his subjects. The only new characteristic he gets is some puppydog love for Melisandre, and going to the Wall because she said so. I wouldn’t necessarily have a problem with that, but as it is, they removed more than they “enriched”.

  260. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 4:48 pm | Permalink

    Laszlo,

    he quite obviously dotes on his daughter. And he has a bad conscience because he cheated on Selyse. He has a human side on the show, it’s just usually buried under magic & throwning.

  261. Lord Davos
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    Laszlo,

    Did he not discuss Gendry in season 3?
    I felt that was a great dilemma for him, as Gendry doesnt mean as much for him as Edric, but still has some pity for this lowborn lad.

  262. Satin
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 5:30 pm | Permalink

    Lord Davos,

    As pointed out by Davos, he did set him free just then to give a different point of view. And from his facial expression in the scene where he decides they’ll go through with the sacrifice alone, I’d say Dillane had Stannis still not feel good about what he was doing, but clearly convinced that he had to do this to bolster his war effort.

  263. Sandor Claws
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    All of them except Two Swords. Why not Twin Swords? or Ice and Fire? or Too Many Bloody Oaths.

  264. chives
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    I’m not sure why people are even questioning/discussing two of the big adaptations this season. Shae is in Tywin’s bed because she has proven herself capable of being discreet, but more important is her response after Tyrion tells her “You can’t f*** your way out of everything you know”.

    And of course Stoneheart is coming back, apart from being a massive story piece and just making sense, I can’t be the only one who noticed Gwendoline’s phrasing of the red wedding at the start of Foreshadowing.

  265. Gatehouse Ami
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 8:49 pm | Permalink

    Breaker of Chains… maybe something with Ramsey’s dogs, as well as other good possibilities already mentioned.
    Remembering the Tyrion/ Cersei scene mentioning a girl who stole a necklace and Cersei exacting punishment, Shae’s new necklace also could work nicely here (Cersei questioning her after Sansa’s disappearance, rips off the gold necklace no handmaiden could afford and takes her to Paw Paw’s tower or…?)

  266. Stark raving mad
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 9:39 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I agree. I love the idea of naming it Kingslayer, but it’s way too spoiler-y.

  267. Stark raving mad
    Posted March 3, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    I like the point about the Oathkeeper episode, I think it will center on Brienne’s quest, but it will also involve Jon resisting temptation to go avenge Robb. If that is the case though, it means we probably won’t see much of the wall in the first couple episodes.

  268. Felix Shadowhammer
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 12:42 am | Permalink

    Hounded,

    Pedro Pascal is listed in the cast for Episode 1, so hopefully we are introduced to Oberyn straight away

  269. Greenjones
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 12:55 am | Permalink

    Felix Shadowhammer,

    Listed where? On an official source or on the very unreliably-edited imdb page for episode one? I assume you’re right (it makes sense to introduce him then) but what’s your source?

  270. Greenjones
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 1:03 am | Permalink

    New casting btw. This guy, looks like just an extra or something of the sort. It’s still something. It includes a pic of him in costume. It’s not really worth making a new post about mods, just a tidbit.

  271. Nezzer
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 3:26 am | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    A Dornish nobleman, most likely.

  272. Summer is Coming
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 4:53 am | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    I don’t think they will skip a whole year. Though they might decide to move the 5th Season from Spring 2015 to Autumn 2015, since Boardwalk is ending, and that slot is open; plus Winter is Coming, and they must show winter in the realm. They might start shooting in winter and spring and leave post-production for summer. GRRM gains half a year. He can’t get more than that.

    1 “House of the Rising Sun“; 2 “Purple Reign“; 3 “Kingslayer“; 4 “Oathkeeper” -> (this is perfect for me); 5 “Snow and Stone“; 6/7 “Fire made Flesh“; 8 “The Viper and the Mountain“; 9 “Castle Black“; “A Lannister Always Pays His Debts
    -> this are my suggestions. “Snow and Stone” are Jon and Sansa. “Fire made Flesh” are the dragons (Quaithe quote).

  273. Winterdark
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 5:17 am | Permalink

    Iron Bank of Wit,

    That would have been a much better title yes.

  274. Alice
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 6:56 am | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Your title for episode 8 is way too spoilery.

  275. Summer is Coming
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Alice,

    How’s that? Everyone has seen the trailer!

  276. cosca
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 7:48 am | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    2 episode titles named after famous songs in a row? Come on.

  277. Alice
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Yeah, the trailer also is way too spoilery. :)

  278. Summer is Coming
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 8:59 am | Permalink

    cosca,

    I’ve never heard of this songs. There is a “Lost” episode called like the first one, and then “Purple Reign” was in the production video, and I thought it sounded good. That’s it.

  279. Moët
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    “Kingslayer” as an episode title is waaaay too spoilery for the Unsullied.

  280. cosca
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    You’ve never heard “House of the Rising Sun” before? It’s a classic folk standard. It was also a big hit in the 60s
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A-4VGfx5lU

    As for Purple Reign, it’s clearly working off of “Purple Rain” by Prince.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt8BeDrMCLI

  281. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    Moët,

    Going in circles here. It’s only spoilery in hindsight. The few Unsullied that will read the title before it airs would automatically think the title refers to Jamie. This can also be reinforced by adding Roose to the episode description. Either way, I don’t think it’s a real risk. I only bothered to spoiler tag it because the fact I want THAT episode to be called Kingslayer could bring up Unsullied questions that wouldn’t be brought up by just seeing it in an episode list.

  282. Moët
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    I don’t know…. I see your point, but I think there are plenty of unsullied who actively WANT Joffrey to die, and would take that as hint.

  283. Missi Renay Douglas
    Posted March 4, 2014 at 9:47 pm | Permalink

    The Lion And The Rose- it’s strong and powerful yet soft and pretty at the same time. love the name. looking forward to watching it soon. Game Of Thrones is my favorite show.

  284. William
    Posted March 6, 2014 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    My new fav song, ” I’m Dothraki” ! Pharrell Williams sound to it …Sing it ! Clap along!

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