Two thirty second TV spots feature new footage from Game of Thrones Season 4
By Lightbringer on in Marketing.

Two new thirty second ad spots for Game of Thrones Season 4 have been making the rounds on international television. Titled “Awaken” and “All Men Must Die”, both ads are littered with clips we haven’t seen before.

Most notably, we have a glance at Mance Rayder, and Jon Snow trading blows with traitor to the Night’s Watch, Karl. With plenty of new shots and angles to piece apart, enjoy!


186 Comments

  1. Lord reek
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:21 pm | Permalink

    Hodor

  2. Carne
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:23 pm | Permalink

    Burn Gorman, yay! Had one of the most memorable lines of season 3.

  3. Cash
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:24 pm | Permalink

    Strange use of old footage. The first ad shows a shot of the wildling girl as a wight from the S1E1 opening, and the second ad shows a scene from the House of the Undying from S2E9. Seems kind of random.

  4. Sword of the Morning
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    At :09 in Awaken we see Cersei at a pivotal moment during the PW. She’s about to give Tyrion the most epic stink eye in Westerosi history.

  5. Joe
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:26 pm | Permalink

    Wow the shot of Cersei with a bit of Joffrey’s hair sticking up in the first one is a bit spoilery. Wouldn’t take much to put two and two together.

  6. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Cash,

    I’m guessing it’s Weirwoodnet. There was also a shot of the ravens from s03e08.

  7. Suzaku
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Joe:
    Wow the shot of Cersei with a bit of Joffrey’s hair sticking up in the first one is a bit spoilery. Wouldn’t take much to put two and two together.

    Yeah, well, it’s easy to put two and two together when you’ve read the books and are actively looking for spoilers.

  8. Cash
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon:
    Cash,

    I’m guessing it’s Weirwoodnet. There was also a shot of the ravens from s03e08.

    Works for me. It looks like they’re really going to play up the Bran storyline a lot. Meeting Bloodraven is the scene I look forward to the most.

  9. Lars
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Very good TV spots!

    Some … intriguing… new shots there, if you have read the books.

    And Mance Rayder is seen – finally! :-)

  10. Ghost
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    MANCE! Its about time we see him!

  11. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:40 pm | Permalink

    Joe First of all this si a TV ad, no one who is sullied or unsullied will have noticed that have there not been the ways of the internet, second of all i don’t think most unsullied if any are as obssessed as us are when it comes to analyse the trailer bit by bit, so there is no reason to worry about anything really .

  12. Moët
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:46 pm | Permalink

    Why does the 2nd one open on the Red Keep from Dany’s vision from the HoU?

  13. Lars
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    Moët:
    Why does the 2nd one open on the Red Keep from Dany’s vision from the HoU?

    Because it is a cool image? :-)

  14. Rabid Grunt
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:48 pm | Permalink

    Love how the hound is beating the crap out of someone in pretty much every shot in every trailer.

  15. Se Maester
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:51 pm | Permalink

    I read ”we have a glance at Mance Rayder, and Jon Snow trading blows with traitor to the Night’s Watch, Karl” wrong at first and thought it meant it Jon and Mance teamed up to fight Karl and the other deserters and was extremely confused, but actually kinda excited by the idea.

  16. Rygar
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:54 pm | Permalink

    Yay another shot of Coldhands

  17. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 7:59 pm | Permalink

    Still don’t know what to think. The shots of Bran and the Ravens would hint at Coldhands making an appearance. But John Bradley kind of confirmed that he (Coldhands) is not a part of the show. I’m hoping he’s messing with us so it’ll be a bigger deal when he appears on screen. Yes, I know, wishful thinking.

  18. Joe
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    Suzaku,

    I don’t know. I know a couple of my non book reader friends have noticed the distinct lack of Joffrey in the trailers (as well as that all most all his scenes seem to be wedding related). I haven’t told them anything about what is to come but they are certainly wary. And to me it just seems that a clip like this, as short as it is, is just a tad too revealing.

  19. Margaery is my Queen
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:03 pm | Permalink

    http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/7876

    A little insight into season 4 for Osha…

  20. Margaret
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    JonSnow19,

    I’ve never understood the opinion that unsullied aren’t as obsessed as the sullied. People super into a show always analyze episode titles and trailers. Screen shots of trailers wasn’t invented because of GoT.

  21. JamesL
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Fourth Of His Name,

    The shot of the ravens is from season 3. When did John Bradley confirm there would be no Coldhands?

  22. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:19 pm | Permalink

    Even if people start to guess that Joffrey might die at his wedding it won’t lessen the impact very much. There will still be a moment of catharsis when we see him die. I’m looking forward to it even while being sad that we’re losing Jack Gleeson.

  23. wizardeyes
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Margaery is my Queen,

    Thats interesting – seems to imply she will appear. Maybe boarding a ship for Skagos?

  24. Jon Snow
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:27 pm | Permalink

    Woah. I don’t care how many people say that we’re looking too hard for spoilers, that one scene couldn’t possibly be anything other than Cersei lying over the body of her dead son, even from an extremely unsullied perspective. I’ll let you know when my friends’ complaints start reigning in

  25. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Wow. No Stannis in the TV spots? D&D further prove how much they hate Stannis.

  26. Jon Snow
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Very true – this can be said of anything in the show as book readers already know what’s going to happen but it’s still thrilling to watch. I can imagine some unsullied would be upset if they saw that first tv spot though!

  27. Ramsay
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:29 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss:
    Wow.No Stannis in the TV spots?D&D further prove how much they hate Stannis.

    Who doesn’t

  28. Barristan the Bold
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    Someone on the youtube link has already commented about that visible forehead at 0:10 LOL they really goofed on that one

  29. deathdreams
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone else noticed that the world of ice and fire app updated on your phone with the new Tyrion sample chapter. ..

  30. Tori Targaryen
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    Barristan the Bold,

    Hardly goofed, most people watching it on TV don’t run off to check the trailers frame by frame. Just looks like one cheesed off Cersei, nothing new

  31. Conningtuna
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    deathdreams,

    I didn’t notice it at first, it’s not until I read the comments here that I realized that that Cersei shot is a little too spoilery

  32. TyriontheKing
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Tori Targaryen,

    I don’t know… I’m with Barristan on this one. I certainly didn’t go through that frame by frame or even pause it and it was hugely evident to me. I know, I know, I’m “looking for spoilers,” but this one is a bit of a stretch. Just seems awfully risky to me.

  33. Barristan the Bold
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:40 pm | Permalink

    Tori Targaryen,

    I think anyone who’s sitting down watching TV and has never seen GOT a day in their life wouldn’t notice it, sure, but I personally feel like anyone who follows the TV series definitely would.

  34. Shannon
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I know this is just a 30 second ad but I am loooving the music/sound effects/text on these tv spots way more than anything that was in the trailers. The soundtracks just didn’t fit to me. Love these!

  35. Darkstar
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:44 pm | Permalink

    I am officially on trailer overload. Whoa…………….

  36. wizardeyes
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    deathdreams,

    Do you know if its online anyway? I don’t have/ refuse to get itunes

  37. Jay
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    Barristan the Bold,

    I’ve read the books and didn’t notice anything! These TV spots move like the wind.

  38. deathdreams
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:51 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    I’m sure it will be soon

  39. deathdreams
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    Try Google play store to get the app

  40. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:52 pm | Permalink

    Barristan the Bold That guy obviously read the books also the video doesn’t have that many views which just proves my point that it’s an obssessed fan looking for every bit of footage there is .

  41. Tori Targaryen
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 8:54 pm | Permalink

    TyriontheKing,
    Barristan the Bold,

    Like TyriontheKing said, we’re looking for things we know is coming, but those who don’t know will not pick up on it.

    I remember last year concerning the Season 3 trailer, people saying how ‘obvious’ it was to have Melisandre’s words “death is coming for everyone and everything” and panning to both Cat and Robb at those words. There were those saying that it was too much, it was too spoilery, but we know how utterly shocked and dumbfounded the general public were when the RW happened. We were all going, uh huh, we know what that’s about! But that’s because we knew it was coming. It’s only obvious if you’re looking for it

  42. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:02 pm | Permalink

    Seriously, screw this show. They’re ruining the best moments. YOU CAN’T GET THE EMOTIONAL DEPTH WITHOUT FIRST ESTABLISHING STANNIS AS A GOOD CHARACTER. Otherwise who cares what he does later on in the season? D&D didn’t put him in the premiere episode, they’re ruining his storyline by deviating from the books, they’re dragging it out and they’re ruining Stannis+Davos as well as barely advertising him in the trailers. Not even a SEASON 4 POSTER FOR HIM??

    I’m DONE with this show. They had a chance to put him in these TV spots but NOPE.

    I’m done. He could be Mel’s dumb slave for all I care.

  43. Tori Targaryen
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Keep in mind that D&D know where the story is going, so how much time they devote to certain characters is likely reflective of their impact on the whole story. In saying that, I don’t think they’ve undersold Stannis, people prefer Tyrion, Jon, Dany etc, and they have to market the show properly. Crying will not solve anything, and just leave your keyboard wet *offers tissue*

  44. Ozymandias
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:09 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    LOL at first I thought it was sarcasm…

  45. Dom
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:15 pm | Permalink

    Finally get to see Mance, and it’s about 5 second before getting his ass handed to him by The Mannis.

    And I do kind of agree with the other poster, they are underselling Stannis. I never thought he was a villain in the books. He’s pretty close to it in the show. A bit bizarre.

    Oh well. Not the end of the world though.

  46. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss Ok, bye, no one is going to miss you. Don’t come back btw .

  47. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:21 pm | Permalink

    Dom I never saw him as a villain on the show and if you agree with that guy’s childish kneejerk reaction then i don’t know what to say about you .

  48. Kris
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:23 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    If it is stressing you out that much; yeah you probably want to stay away from the show. This stuff should be fun and relaxing. As a Team Stannis/Team Dragonstone fan (I adore all of the DS crew) it is pretty obvious they are underselling Stannis this season to make what happens later in the season all that more amazing. I think they’ve done an excellent job with the character in the show.

  49. Dom
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    JonSnow19:
    Dom I never saw him as a villain on the show and if you agree with that guy’s childish kneejerk reaction then i don’t know what to say about you .

    Did you not see the final two sentences of what I wrote?

    “Oh well. Not the end of the world though.”

    Does that sound like I’m agreeing with someone’s knee jerk reaction to never watch again?

  50. Greenjones
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    So will you be done with this website too then? It is a show website after all.

  51. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Greatness Arrisessss,

    So will you be done with this website too then? It is a show website after all.

    Nah I want to see what else the showrunners rape from the books.

  52. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:33 pm | Permalink

    Stannis featured prominently in the Facebook trailer.

    Stannis is one of my favorite characters, but maybe, just maybe he isn’t one of the main characters on the level of Dany, Tyrion, and Jon because he’s going to die in TWOW anyway. Stanstans who think he has a shot at being AAR and holding the Iron Throne at the end are pretty deluded.

  53. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss I thought you said you’re done, you can’t even keep a promise you made a few minutes ago ?

  54. JonSnow19
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:35 pm | Permalink

    Also i hope they rape the books because the last two sucked anyway and they don’t deserve to be treated with a good adaptation .

  55. Valaquen
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:43 pm | Permalink

    Margaery is my Queen:
    http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/7876

    A little insight into season 4 for Osha…

    I wonder if she and Rickon will be pursued by the Boltons? They could reach the Umbers, part of the North plotting against the Boltons and Lannisters? Merely hypothesizing.

  56. arglaro
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:44 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, JonSnow, that makes total sense.
    Oaf.

  57. Anonymous
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:45 pm | Permalink

    Show Stannis is one of my favorite characters. He’s also the favorite of one of my unsullied friends.

    I don’t think he’s much different from the book. The way people interpret him in the book as a hero is way too simplisitic. They are selectively portraying him through his heroic traits from end of ASOS forward and retroactively making his whole character fit this selective portrait.

  58. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:48 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Fourth Of His Name,

    The shot of the ravens is from season 3.When did John Bradley confirm there would be no Coldhands?

    Go to the 15 minute mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7FnnCLLOi4

  59. Don't care
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones:
    Greatness Arrisessss,
    So will you be done with this website too then? It is a show website after all.

    So you lasted a whole ten posts before you decided to watch the show again. Stannis isn’t even that significant a character in the books. There are probably at least ten characters that are present in chapters more than Stannis. And what is this obsession with making Stannis look like a good guy? When he is hardly a good guy in the books.

  60. Anonymous
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:51 pm | Permalink

    Fourth Of His Name,

    Isn’t he just talking about the foreshadowing in episode 8? That people thought he might be appearing soon after that? I don’t think it necessarily rules out his appearance later in the show.

  61. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss is trolling you guys so hard right now.

  62. Lord Stannis's Soul
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:52 pm | Permalink

    Margaery is my Queen:
    http://www.mugglenet.com/app/news/show/7876

    A little insight into season 4 for Osha…

    She seems kind of speedy there?

  63. Don't care
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Greatness Arrisessss is trolling you guys so hard right now.

    Its hard to tell. Stannis fans are actually that fanatical.

  64. MrSmith
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    You sound like you belong on Westeros.org , their forums are full of overly dramatic nonsense statements about how they will never watch the show again too , the strange thing is that you always see the same people commenting on the next weeks episode..

  65. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:01 pm | Permalink

    Don’t care,

    Believe me, I know that. I am card carrying member of the Stannis fan club and I think 95% of the complaints regarding the show’s handling of him are ridiculous.

  66. Tony
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:03 pm | Permalink

    Jon Snow,

    Jon Snow:
    Woah. I don’t care how many people say that we’re looking too hard for spoilers, that one scene couldn’t possibly be anything other than Cersei lying over the body of her dead son, even from an extremely unsullied perspective. I’ll let you know when my friends’ complaints start reigning in

    Yeah.. This is getting silly… I know we are all looking from the Sullied perspective here but that seems a dead give away. Doesnt take a too observant unsullied to see what Cersei was holding there… Tyrion in prison clearly. Well… Maybe it’s just me but that’s so obvious. Some of my unsullied friends dont watch trailers for this very reason…

  67. Ser Arys Oakheart
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:05 pm | Permalink

    Just got back from the Barclays and the EPIC Fan Experience… Just saying…

  68. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:08 pm | Permalink

    Ser Arys Oakheart,

    Details, Ser, we are in need of copious details.

  69. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:11 pm | Permalink

    Common performed. Maisie, Sibel, and John Bradley were there. GRRM as well. Hodor was the MC. Some guy named Mike won an iron throne.

    I’ll write up more, so much more. I brought a notebook.

    For the time being, they nailed the Oberyn intro. Nailed it.

  70. Aldi_A
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    Don’t care,

    They’re not it’s just one or two trolls who make us all look bad.

  71. Kevin
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm | Permalink

    A Secret Baratheon: ash,

    I’m guessing it’s Weirwoodnet. There was also a shot of the ravens from s03

    So you’re saying a weirwood has to grow in the middle of the throne room before this series is going to be over? And I thought waiting for the dragons to grow up was a bitch.

  72. Ser Arys Oakheart
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:17 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore gave you the rundown, it was truly an EPIC experience that I can’t imagine any other show having.

    Won’t get into details about the episode itself but let’s just say they haven’t missed a beat and so far so amazing.

  73. UnbowdUnbentedUnhodor
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:23 pm | Permalink

    Se Maester:
    I read ”we have a glance at Mance Rayder, and Jon Snow trading blows with traitor to the Night’s Watch, Karl” wrong at first and thought it meant it Jon and Mance teamed up to fight Karl and the other deserters and was extremely confused, but actually kinda excited by the idea.

    I was the same haha

  74. Morgan
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Ser Arys Oakheart,

    Great to hear! Can’t wait until the premiere.

  75. Broken Wolf
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:31 pm | Permalink

    Personally, I’d be quite happy if Stannis dies. As long as he deals with the Boltons first

  76. Don't care
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    For gods sake details!

  77. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    Broken Wolf,

    Yes, by the end of season 5 I doubt many unsullied viewers will view Stannis negatively, if they did in the first place.

  78. King Stannis
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    Not all stannis fans are like that moron crying above me. He must be a troll.

  79. Ozymandias
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Twitter reactions about the premiere is very positive. I’m happy :)

  80. JamesL
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:53 pm | Permalink

    Fourth Of His Name,

    Fuck, I’m surprised his comments haven’t gotten more attention on this site. That does basically confirm no Coldhands in the show, at least not in season 4.

  81. wargsareawesome
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Broken Wolf,

    Which will leave HOW many of the Great Houses in turmoil?
    Stark (scattered), Baratheon (Shireen in charge), Lannister (One of Kevan’s young sons in charge), Greyjoy (Crowseye), Arryn (Crazy Kid in charge), and Tully (Edmure’s in prison, Gods know where the Blackfish is) So… 6/9… jeez

  82. JamesL
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:54 pm | Permalink

    Ozymandias,

    I’ve seen some people complaining about the employees though and that it was unorganized.

  83. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:55 pm | Permalink

    GRRM answered, before Kristian even asked the first question, “I’m working on it!” The question was if GRRM based any characters on people he knows. He gave the usual “based on various people in history” answer, but also said he was tempted to say Tywin is based on Putin. Which he added is not true.

    Now the episode. There were no requests to be careful with spoilers, which I half expected, but it’s obvious they don’t care. It’s a very well done episode, particularly in how it sets things up, both in terms of [re]introducing characters for TV fans and planting details that will become important later. The episode deserves a whole lot of hype, and it will live up to most of it. Still, I won’t be too spoilery. Just addressing some of the questions and concerns folks have had over the last few months.

    Previously on
    I’m pretty sure I saw a tiny amount of extra footage from previous seasons. Like, scenes we have seen, but with a couple of seconds from a different camera. Look for it. I am prepared to be very wrong; I was just a little giddy at the time.

    Opening scene
    There is indeed a cold open with the Valyrian steel business. Tywin’s expression makes him out to be a sociopathic serial killer who specializes in entire families.

    Opening credits
    Dreadfort! Mereen!

    Olyvar
    Olyvar is basically the new Ros. Yeah, there is some interaction with Oberyn, but he feels like a real character as Littlefinger’s new “chief of brothel operations” type.

    Oberyn and Ellaria
    Oberyn is incredible. His first few scenes segue very nicely to explain who he is and what he’s all about. The conversation between him and Tyrion is chilling. Ellaria is portrayed very well; just as dangerously flamboyant as Oberyn, but also his voice of reason. Also, Oberyn and Bronn have a moment!

    Shae
    The seeds of her betrayal are deftly planted.

    Thenns
    Holy shit. I don’t remember that from the books. Some people aren’t going to be happy. But they are still all sorts of fun.

    Night’s Watch
    Slynt is already present. He is apparently ranked highly, but nonetheless made a fool by everyone including himself. Thorne is “acting lord commander.” Jon gives a very good speech in his defense, and the power dynamics are laid out immediately.

    Brienne
    Some quality scenes with the Tyrells (not Loras) and later some good banter with Jaime.

    Dany & co.
    That sword game, sadly, does come off a little weird. Too playful. But then Daario gets in another scene that underscores he’s the playful one, so…yeah. Huisman is fine. We’ll get over what’s-his-face quickly. Littlefinger can apparently use his teleporter to grow dragons quicker, but they look excellent. Anyone worried about the 163…shouldn’t be.

    Dontos
    He has been rewritten well. Serves his purpose efficiently.

    Arya & the Hound
    Apparently, the Clegane family special move is the giant hand punch. The fight is incredible and brutal. And awesome. One of the best dialogues in the series sets it up, too. The Hound just took over the top five most badass quotes in one conversation.

    The innkeeper’s daughter
    Is treated much better than she is in the books. Let’s put that to rest.

    Asha/Yara
    Only seen briefly in the season preview at the end; very clearly rowing small boats up to the Dreadfort. Not a longship.

  84. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 10:58 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    And we should care about this?

  85. Andrew
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Awesome writeup! My questions are mainly about the opening credits. Great to see the Dreadfort included. Is Winterfell still there, and still on fire? And can you confirm Gwen Christie, Diana Rigg, etc. are now listed as main cast? Appreciate it!

  86. Colty
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:05 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Yes, please stop watching.

  87. Ozymandias
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    You’re awesome, thanks a lot !

  88. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Yeah, Winterfell is still in it and smoking.

    I noticed Gwen’s named flashed along with Rory, which I thought was a nice touch. Didn’t notice Diana: was focused on some interesting new camera swoops around the map.

  89. Nezzer
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    So Yara is already attacking the Dreadfort in episode 2? Damn, I thought that would be by the end of the season.

    And did you see Iwan Rheon and Michael McElhatton in the main credits?

  90. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:09 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    I’m guessing the change with the Thenns starts with C and ends with annibalism.

  91. Don't care
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:11 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Thank you for the write-up. Much appreciated!

  92. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    The preview was for the season in general, so it could still be whenever. I didn’t notice the Bolton actors in the credits, or don’t recall. Only Gwen/Rory sticks out in memory because of the whole better-knights-than-real-knights who are searching for the Stark girls parallel.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yup.

  93. Nezzer
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:17 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Thanks for the info!

  94. cosca
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:21 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    Those fans are wrong to care though. They need to be corrected.

  95. Confused
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:30 pm | Permalink

    I really had not a clue that Stannis isnt perceived by most people to be a “villain”! Sure, the real villain is Melisandre, but as soon as Stannis started to get involved with her I always thought he became one, too. Ive absolutely HATED the involvement he has with the Nights Watch – always felt like Jon should just kick his ass out, as Jon is undoubtedly a good guy who shouldn’t be messing around with the likes of Stannis. to me, any claim he had, sense of justice, or good deeds are washed out by his involvement with the red woman. Most of the time I hate Stannis more than Ramsay.

    Anyway – not trying to haggle any viewpoints here, just expressing mine because I never realized it was so different from everyone else’s!

  96. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:37 pm | Permalink

    Confused,

    Yeah, I pretty much disagree with everything you said, even Mel isn’t a big bad villain, IMO. She does bad things but the ends justify the means, if the WW’s are indeed the big bad of the series.

  97. Confused
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I really never knew! Totally open to hearing new opinions is why I shared. Of course I’ll probably go on hating Stannis but I’m going to at least make a note to look at things from that perspective. And of course the wonderful thing about ASOIAF is the character depth and the different levels of “villainy” and “goodness,” in people so any argument can pretty much be made for anyone. Another bit for me I guess is there’s just something about Mel serving the real AA when she discovers him that really bothers me. I just can’t see Jon in league with her because I truly do hate her character.

    But alas, the night is dark and full of turnips

  98. Casso
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    That’s a pretty good summary. The only other thing I can think to mention is that in one of Sansa’s conversations there’s a bit of setup for Lady Stoneheart

  99. it's really late
    Posted March 20, 2014 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    Casso:
    Kilgore Tully,

    That’s a pretty good summary.The only other thing I can think to mention is that in one of Sansa’s conversations there’s a bit of setup for Lady Stoneheart

    When you guys say there are some scenes setting up Shae’s betrayal and Stoneheart do you think they’re spoilerish? Or that they’re completely subtle and would only be noticed by book-readers? Just curious – god forbid I have to wait two weeks to find out!

  100. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Confused,

    I tend to gravitate to the morally ambiguous characters. Jon and Ned are the only purely “good” characters who would be among my favorites.

  101. Greenjones
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:03 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    What did the Dornish theme music sound like (if you remember)?

  102. matt
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:06 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Technically they only put the actors who are appearing in the episode in the opening credits, so you wouldn’t have seen Roose or Ramsey’s names anyway.

  103. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    So apparently HBO has asked critics to avoid giving away anything in their reviews: http:// http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/mad-men-game-thrones-no-690100

    It is a bit silly to ask that critics avoid labelling one of the episodes as being “a big one”.

  104. Confused
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:08 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah, I suppose that’s where we differ. I’m really old fashioned and boring in that Jon, Ned, Robb, Tyrion and Arya pretty much sum up my top-tier favorites circle. Lol. That’s not to say that I don’t love plenty of the more complex characters, I just wouldn’t necessarily tear pages out upon their deaths.

  105. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:09 am | Permalink

    Confused,

    I include Tyrion and Arya in the morally ambiguous group.

  106. Confused
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:12 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Reasonable. I wasn’t sure if they qualified. Lol

  107. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:14 am | Permalink

    it’s really late,

    In the case of Shae, she gives a really quick glare at Tyrion comforting Sansa by holding her hand. Then there is a whole lot of sexual frustration, a pretty serious misunderstanding, and spy trouble. I think unsullied will not quite know what to make of it all, for a week, and with Tyrion’s arrest her role in the season will be pretty obvious. But not a spoiler.

    For the other, not at all. It is just said in passing that her throat was cut to the bone and she was thrown in the river. Establishes where she’ll be found and why she won’t talk right, but in no way hints at revival.

  108. Bill Volk
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    It looks like Jaime will be practicing his left-handed swordfighting with Bronn instead of Ilyn Payne. Poor Wilko Johnson. I guess he won’t be coming back. I hope he’s still doing all right.

  109. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap: Greatness Arrisessss is trolling you guys so hard right now.

    :D You are the bright one I see. Yes, I was using a bit of artistic license. I’m not a real Stannis fanatic, but the real ones are hilarious.

  110. Greenjones
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:49 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Then I apologize for attempting to show you the door. Keep up the good work.

  111. Kyrion
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:06 am | Permalink

    Did they screen the second episode? Some guy on Reddit claims he watched it.

    Also about John Bradley saying no Coldhands, as far as he knows, Coldhands doesnt show up, its not like he knows Brans storyline this season, he knows he wasnt in Season 3. Remember, they watch the show just like us during the week, they don’t get advance screenings or anything like that. This means nothing for season 4 since John doesnt know if Coldhands indeed shows up in Brans storyline in Season 4.

  112. Don't care
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:15 am | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    Did they screen the second episode? Some guy on Reddit claims he watched it.

    Also about John Bradley saying no Coldhands, as far as he knows, Coldhands doesnt show up, its not like he knows Brans storyline this season, he knows he wasnt in Season 3. Remember, they watch the show just like us during the week, they don’t get advance screenings or anything like that. This means nothing for season 4 since John doesnt know if Coldhands indeed shows up in Brans storyline in Season 4.

    I believe they have given out episodes 1-3 to select critics but only publicly screened the first episode.

  113. Arthur
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:34 am | Permalink

    Kyrion,

    Yes…

    I read an EW article and apparently many critics were advanced episodes 1-3 to review and critique…

  114. Greenjones
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:41 am | Permalink

    Kyrion,

    Well people who were sent the screeners would have seen it. There’s a girl on AFOIAF who’s seen eps. 1-3. Of course that guy on reddit hasn’t provided any details since saying he’s also seen ep. 2…

  115. Onion Knight
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:14 am | Permalink

    Kyrion:
    Did they screen the second episode? Some guy on Reddit claims he watched it.

    Also about John Bradley saying no Coldhands, as far as he knows, Coldhands doesnt show up, its not like he knows Brans storyline this season, he knows he wasnt in Season 3. Remember, they watch the show just like us during the week, they don’t get advance screenings or anything like that. This means nothing for season 4 since John doesnt know if Coldhands indeed shows up in Brans storyline in Season 4.

    The actors might see the show along with everyone else but they see the scripts while filming. CH is cut, he has no purpose any longer and they need to reduce the number of characters so people should just accept it.

  116. Onion Knight
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:18 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss: :D You are the bright one I see.Yes, I was using a bit of artistic license.I’m not a real Stannis fanatic, but the real ones are hilarious.

    Honestly, there are people on Westeros.org who sound just like you did and are dead serious.

  117. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:22 am | Permalink

    Onion Knight: Honestly, there are people on Westeros.org who sound just like you did and are dead serious.

    I know, that’s why I left that shit site.

  118. StMB
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:32 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Pretty sure you are a Dany fan. Pretenders.

  119. Morna the Witch
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:46 am | Permalink

    It looks like there will be a showdown between Carl and Jon. I was hoping for something like this XD

  120. The Loon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:52 am | Permalink

    they’re really going heavy with the coldhands teases even though it seems like Bradley has all but confirmed he won’t appear but you never know if he was being purposefully misleading

  121. The Loon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:55 am | Permalink

    JamesL,

    he did an interview that’s been posted in a number of places where he says that’s the character he’s most disappointed the show didn’t include

  122. The Loon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 3:00 am | Permalink

    Tony,

    yeah but even if they can tell it’s Joff she’s holding they don’t know he’s dead…he could just be injured…she doesn’t exactly have tears running down her face in that shot honestly…if you’ve read the books you cannot accurately interpret how someone who hasn’t read them will see these short shots

  123. The Loon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 3:03 am | Permalink

    Confused,

    the real villain is Melisandra? oh you sweet summer child

  124. Sansa's Knight
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 4:26 am | Permalink

    SPOILER ALERT

    THERE WILL BE 10 EPISODES THIS SEASON
    THERE WILL BE A HUGE CAST THIS YEAR
    EACH EPISODE WILL ONLY BE FIRST SHOWN ON A SUNDAY NIGHT AT 9PM
    THERE WILL BE SOME CRAZY COSTUMES AND AN AMAZING OPENING CREDITS
    SOME PEOPLE MAY DIE SOME PEOPLE MAY NOT
    THERE WILL BE BOOK READERS ARGUING WITH SHOW WATCHERS
    THERE WILL BE AMAZING REVIEWS ON A VERY SPECIAL SITE NAMED WINTERISCOMING.NET AFTER EACH EPISODE AIRS
    THERE WILL BE SUPER COOL OUT OF THIS WORLD PODCASTS BY GAME OF OWNS THAT YOU WOULDNT WANNA MISS UNLESS URE HEARING IS IMPAIRED
    BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY …..THERE WILL BE SANSA

    THATS ALL CRITICS CAN SAY ACCORDING TO HBO’S GUIDELINES

  125. GG
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 4:31 am | Permalink

    Cersei’s looking remarkably calm at 0:10. Doesn’t she lose it at the PW?

  126. Reza
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    Ok, I think at this point we have reached the bottom of the barrel. 70-80% of these scenes are the same at this point. No more promo/trailers please! No more shots of Dany marching towards Mereen please! I am hyped enough, Just bring the show!!

  127. Satin
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:26 am | Permalink

    Ser Arys Oakheart,

    Kilgore Tully,

    Thanks for giving us a few teasers, guys! I’m glad you could see it – and a little jealous.

    Stannis and Mel: not villains. Not so morally clean good-ish guys: more like it. And I’m totally a Stannis fan, who finds the worship of “Mannis” pretty ridiculous. He’s cool because he’s so incredibly fucked up.

    Lord Stannis’s Soul: She seems kind of speedy there?

    That’s just how Natalia talks. Unless she’s always speedy, but seriously, not to deal in stereotypes, but Natalia is British-Spanish. Someone like Sibel or Tom would likely appear much duller in comparison.

    By the way, not to harp on a point I’m always making (too much), but it’s a bit amusing that people are ready to believe that Osha will be back from one vague interview, while still almost everyone doubts that Gendry will be, even though there are interviews saying right out he will be in this season (the Evening Standard one). :P

    (But yes, I hope this is a sign that Osha and Rickon will be back, too.)

  128. Satin
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:31 am | Permalink
  129. Rabid Grunt
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:37 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss: Oh you sweet little nerdy virgin and your clever little nerdy book quotes.

    *scrolls up*

    *reads tantrum over fictional character*

    Hello, pot.

  130. King of the Ashes
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:43 am | Permalink

    lol. im a Dany fan, but if i see one more shot of her marching towards Mereen i swear…… i don’t know what i’ll do lol. geeez give that a rest

  131. Dutch maester
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:50 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Someone at reddit claimed Brian Fortune was back as Bowen Marsh. Can you confirm this?

  132. StMB
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 5:54 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    Heh, Danytard at work. That little attention seeking keyboard attack was pathetic and moronic to say the least. But hey you are a Danytard, i can’t expect intelligent and mature stuff from you. So rock on.

    Greenjones,
    Disappointed to know you support trolls.

  133. mena
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 6:33 am | Permalink

    Another thing that I do not think anybody mentioned about the screening was an Easter egg about Sir Duncan the tall; Joffery was saying that he must have done a lot of stuff if he got four pages in the book of the kingsguard. A lot of people caught it at the screening with a nice applause.

  134. Jaqen
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 6:37 am | Permalink

    Nezzer: Yara is already attacking the Dreadfort in episode 2?

    i dont know how they are going to play yara storyline since its storyline very different in the books . she didnt attack dreadfort .

  135. Satin
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 6:58 am | Permalink

    Nezzer:
    Kilgore Tully,

    So Yara is already attacking the Dreadfort in episode 2? Damn, I thought that would be by the end of the season.

    And did you see Iwan Rheon and Michael McElhatton in the main credits?

    If I get KilgoreTully correctly, she was in the Season Preview – that should contain material from later episodes, too. I don’t think it makes sense for the attack to appear before at least Theon has been sent off to Moat Cailin, or wherever he is going with that shiny armour of his.

    They’ll only be in the opening credits for episodes they appear in.

  136. zambi76
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:23 am | Permalink


    Cersei’s looking remarkably calm at 0:10. Doesn’t she lose it at the PW?

    Everything looks remarkably calm in that shot. I guess they’re not going for the utter chaos that happens in the books.

  137. Ashara D
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:25 am | Permalink

    deathdreams:
    Has anyone else noticed that the world of ice and fire app updated on your phone with the new Tyrion sample chapter. ..

    More proof that TWoW is closer than has been revealed.

  138. Conal
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:33 am | Permalink
  139. Valyrian eyes
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:47 am | Permalink

    Damn it the app is not working :/

    And guys, that was just, like, A ONE SECOND SHOT of Cersei, can anyone posaibly think it encompasses the whole tone of the scene?

  140. Delta1212
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:49 am | Permalink

    Margaret,

    No, but anyone who isn’t spoiled is actively trying to remain that way. If they wanted to know what happens, they wouldn’t need to analyze the trailers; they could just google it and find out all the major plot beats for at least the next two seasons. So it’s safe to say that any Unsullied are either casual fans (in comparison to obsessive fans) or else they are obsessively avoiding spoilers and probably won’t be pouring over the trailer looking for minutiae.

  141. sati
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:50 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Does Sansa mention Catelyn being thrown into the river?

  142. sati
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 7:52 am | Permalink

    zambi76:


    Everything looks remarkably calm in that shot. I guess they’re not going for the utter chaos that happens in the books.

    I think we are seeing the moment just before she loses it, to show her crying and yelling would be to much

  143. Satin
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    sati,

    I agree she looks like she has *just* realized Joffrey is dead and as if she’s looking for her father, or Jaime, someone to help.

    Ashara D: More proof that TWoW is closer than has been revealed.

    Actually, that’s apparently a chapter he has already read at … World Con(?) in 2013. I’m not trying to discourage anyone, I think it would be awesome if the book came out this year.

  144. punklunchbox
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:09 am | Permalink

    I was also at the screening and it was so much fun! The episode was excellent and it was a real experience to be surrounded by so many other fans who love the show just as much as I do. One of the final scenes of the episode, where Arya and the Hound fight in the inn and Arya gets Needle back filled the stadium with cheers. It was kind of surreal since I’m used to watching it at my house haha
    The Red Viper is great, I no longer have any doubts about him. And he had a line of dialogue that I found very interesting, where he tells Tyrion that Rhaegar Targaryen “left his sister for another woman”. Maybe it was just me reading into it as a book reader but the way he said it made me think he was implying that they had run away together. So in other words, it seemed to me that the show was now introducing a different perspective on that situation. Up until now we’ve only gotten Robert’s ‘kidnapped’ angle.

  145. Nigths Watch-men
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:12 am | Permalink

    The premiere was amazing… Oberyn, Janos Slynt, Thenns….. and really follow the books so far which is great….

  146. punklunchbox
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:14 am | Permalink

    sati,

    Yes she does.

  147. sati
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:25 am | Permalink

    punklunchbox,

    YAY! I really, really hope we see LS this season

  148. Carne
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 8:57 am | Permalink

    punklunchbox,

    Does Styr talk in the episode? If yes, how is Yuriy Kolokolnikov’s accent?

  149. Ludo
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:02 am | Permalink

    Cash,

    It’s not random at all :

    The shots from previous seasons are : the wight girl, the ravens and the destroyed throne room in the House of the Undying. The last one is a prophecy that will come to be true if the White Walkers attack Westeros. The wights are of course related to White Walkers, as well as the ravens. And “All men must die” is what White Walkers want. All these shots are related to the invasion of the White Walkers and “All men must die”.

  150. michal0l
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:03 am | Permalink

    Definitely Coldhands, not a white walker!!!

  151. iam76
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:21 am | Permalink

    Ramsay,

    Stannis is the best!

  152. punklunchbox
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:25 am | Permalink

    Carne,

    Yes he does talk, to be honest personally he didn’t blow me away I thought he seemed a little … campy maybe? However visually the Thenns look awesome. It’s funny that you asked about perhaps the only thing in this episode that I found myself not caring for. The episode as a whole is really great. I actually was really impressed with it in that it didn’t feel like past season premieres that move kind of slow while trying to reintroduce the audience to everything. The entire episode was very engaging and had a great balance of witty dialogue that got lots of laughs from the audience as well as more serious scenes that quickly got the plot moving ( Oberyn’s scene and Jon being interrogated upon his return to the wall come to mind )

    Overall my three favorite scenes were:
    1) Arya and the Hound at the inn
    2) The Red Viper’s introduction
    3) The very first scene: Tywin at a forge, having Ice melted down. Charles Dance has no dialogue in this scene and it was still amazing! The look on his face says it all. Gave me chills!

  153. StMB
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    Ramsay,

    Stannis!Stannis!STANNIS!

  154. Fourth Of His Name
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 9:39 am | Permalink

    JamesL: Fourth

    I know, it sucks. First Strong Belwas…

    Site-runners – any thoughts?

  155. Anvil
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    Ep. 406: The Laws of Gods and Men

    51 minutes

    http://www.hbo.com/#/schedule/series/GAME+OF+THRONES/PMRS1663

  156. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    Anvil,

    Interesting, ‘wonder what it could refer to? Tyrion maybe? or even multiple storylines.

  157. Annara Snow
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    Fourth Of His Name: I know, it sucks. First Strong Belwas…

    Site-runners – any thoughts?

    I’m not sure if you are serious or joking, since I have no idea how you feel about Strong Belwas, but for me, SB being cut (no pun intended) was the best change from the book the show has ever done. I always found that character really campy and silly.

  158. Its really late
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Kilgore Tully,

    Gotcha. Wow, I dont like that Shae stuff much – I felt like things were going smoothly at least on the surface for them in the book and thats why it came as such a shock to both Tyrion and readers. I feel like when Tyrion kills her in the show people might say “woah, why did he do that? They were fighting and/or broken up so it makes sense that she spoke against him and was sleeping with other people.” I dont really know, though – I’m sure it’s not as big of a deal when you see it!

  159. Anvil
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic:
    Anvil,

    Interesting, ‘wonder what it could refer to? Tyrion maybe? or even multiple storylines.

    Yeah, should be the episode, where Tyrion demands his trial by combat.

  160. Shan
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:31 am | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Tyrion would be my first guess just because I feel like there’s a few different scenes for him that would fit with that title. The trial, of course, because that’s all about the laws of gods and men, and the same could be said of the trial by combat. Actually, kinslaying almost fits best here because “no man is as accursed as a kinslayer in the eyes of gods and men,” but it’s almost definitely too early for that scene, most people seem to think that will be in 10, though I’ve always felt it should be earlier as it wouldn’t be like D&D to put LS, Kinslaying, and possibly the Eyrie or other stuff ALL in 10. Not as early as 6, though.

    My guess would definitely be the trial. Ideally, 7 would be the TBC and 8 would be kinslaying for me, but three Tyrion episodes in a row and the successive progression of that storyline probably wouldn’t go over well with a lot of other people, so for me this title sort of confirms 6 as the trial, 8 as TBC and 10 as kinslaying – along with other major plotlines? Hm.

    I used TBC to abbreviate trial by combat.

  161. Don't care
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Anvil: by

    I think it has to do with the traitors at the nights watch. Remember last season before Mormont was killed he yelled “by all the laws of…” and then the mutineer interrupted by saying, “There are no laws beyond the wall.” So my gut instinct is it has something to do with that.

  162. Shan
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    I always interpreted the snow in the throne room to literally mean Snow in the throne room… they didn’t put in any of the other prophecies from HOU so I assumed that was their not-subtle quick adaption of ‘the song of ice and fire’/'the dragon has three heads’ and the ‘bride’ prophecy, namely the bit about the blue flower in the chink of ice. Not to mention the many prophecies regarding a ‘secret about Jon buried in the crypts of Winterfell.’ I know I’m being obvious as we’ve all learned what these mean but I just meant that I thought the snow on the iron throne bit was a literal prophecy of David and Dan’s that sort of wrapped up all of those prophecies because there are so many great ones in the books and the show isnt big on them. I never interpreted it as meaning White Walkers ruling/at Kings Landing so I suppose im wondering if thats what a lot of people think!

  163. loki
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    Anvil:
    51 minutes

    what
    fucking what

  164. Confused
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:43 am | Permalink

    The Loon,

    Not the real villain of the story, of course!! We know thats the White Walkers…. and maybe Ramsay a little bit LOL. I meant the real “villain” in the Stannis/Mel relationship. Just meaning the worse of the two that drives any evil behavior in Stannis.

  165. Ramsay
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:47 am | Permalink

    The Loon,

    A lot of people keep saying there’s been Coldhands teases and Rygar said he was in one of the trailers… what am I missing!? I feel so dumb because I haven’t seen anything about him. Lol

  166. Ramsay
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:54 am | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    Agreed. No need for SB in the show.

    I’m really not going to cry about really bland and/or minor characters like SB or Coldhands being cut. The show will go on

  167. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    Shan,
    Don’t care,

    Whichever storyline(s) it refers to, it’s Bryan Cogman’s second episode this season, and Alik Sakharov will be directing too {massive internal YAY!}

  168. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:27 am | Permalink

    Anvil,

    Alright. The titles still aren’t wowing me.

  169. Mormegil
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Dutch maester:
    Kilgore Tully,

    Someone at reddit claimed Brian Fortune was back as Bowen Marsh. Can you confirm this?

    From what other people who saw the episode have said it’s Aemon, Thorne and Slynt who interrogate Jon and Thorne is acting Lord Commander so I don’t believe Marsh is in the episode.

  170. Hollyoak
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Okay. That’s it. Enough already. We only have to wait two more weeks.

    I forthwith raise the Brotherhood without Previews Banner!

    Albeit a little late.

  171. Felt Pelt
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Review (SPOILERS from the episode and from later in the book/season, lots of equal opportunity SPOILERS):

    http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/game-of-thrones-season-4-episode-1-two-swords

    I agree with what she says about Shae, though it could be a misdirection. They often do pivoting reversals for characters on their way to do the expected thing. I really want her to be a spy from the beginning who fell in love. They’ve left open that possibility and I think it’s the best one.

  172. Jared
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:46 am | Permalink

    OT:

    Per EW’s James Hibberd, David Benioff and Dan Weiss have officially signed on as showrunners for two more seasons. Consistent with earlier articles, Hibberd reiterates that the current plan is for the show to run for 7 seasons.

    http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/03/21/game-of-thrones-showrunners/

    This news was expected, of course, but it’s still very welcome!

  173. sati
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    Haha, I love Margaery’s eyeroll and Statue-Joff transition!

  174. The Loon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:04 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    after the last girl I got with I kind of wish I was still a virgin…YIKES!

  175. Doug
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:24 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D: More proof that TWoW is closer than has been revealed.

    I doubt that very much. His UK publisher has all but confirmed the book will not be released in 2014. She said the book would “certainly” not be published before 2015. Some people don’t believe her, but I’m not one of them. I think those who refuse to believe that statement are just hopeful she’s using misdirection and it will be released soon. I doubt it though. She has no real reason to misdirect and nothing to gain from it. The book will still be a best seller whether she teases about the release date or not. I think it’s time to accept she’s telling the truth with that quote, and the book will not be released this year.

  176. FNF
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Ramsay: Who doesn’t

    You literally know nothing…

  177. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 12:51 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    I stopped reading after she said Jaime was a lesser man than Ned…

  178. bufkus
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt:
    Review (SPOILERS from the episode and from later in the book/season, lots of equal opportunity SPOILERS):

    http://www.tor.com/blogs/2014/03/game-of-thrones-season-4-episode-1-two-swords

    I agree with what she says about Shae, though it could be a misdirection. They often do pivoting reversals for characters on their way to do the expected thing. I really want her to be a spy from the beginning who fell in love. They’ve left open that possibility and I think it’s the best one.

    Lovely writeup. Sad that they are skipping right to the Inn scene in the Hound and Arya storyline (there were a few scenes of them on the road together before that) but also excited to finally see it play out. I hope they brought back Polliver.

  179. Kilgore Tully
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Felt Pelt,

    Shae could not have been angry in the way she was in this episode without truly caring about Tyrion. It is clearly established that Tyrion has been pushing her away for weeks, and she thinks Tyrion is behind Varys’s offer. Shae is intensely jealous of Sansa, but also more concerned for her than ever, Tyrion can’t do anything for either of them, and it really is one big mess. I was very concerned about how TV-Shae was going to make the turn, but this episode assuaged such. I don’t agree with the review that sticking with betrayal would make her love more contrived; it has the potential to be all the more powerful and shocking. The potential.

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    You’ll get what she means with this episode. Jaime really demonstrates the humility he learned from Brienne. His part is to reject the notion of honor, but in doing so start to regain it (think Jon’s thoughts regarding Sam having a certain bravery to admit he’s a coward).

    It is also repeated that he is 40, which stuck out a bit.

    sati,

    Oh god, the statue. So Joffrey. So bad. So hilarious.

    bufkus,

    They do bring back Polliver, and it works better than with the Tickler. I really didn’t think it would. I was super wrong.

  180. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    So, no scene at Pyke? That’s disappointing. Was hoping Balon crossing a bridge would be the last scene in the premier.

  181. Greenjones
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:33 pm | Permalink

    StMB,

    Well, I support them somewhat more than nitpicky wheedling types. Anyways there’s some trolls on wicnet that are pretty fun sometimes.

  182. Satin
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    bufkus,

    they aren’t, really. By all accounts, the Hound is pretty much fine at the end, and they continue travelling. Only difference is, she now has needle. I’m sure there will be another situation where Hound gets badly wounded at the end of the season.

  183. Casso
    Posted March 21, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    bufkus: Lovely writeup. Sad that they are skipping right to the Inn scene in the Hound and Arya storyline (there were a few scenes of them on the road together before that) but also excited to finally see it play out. I hope they brought back Polliver.

    They didn’t exactly skip right to it, it’s more like they split it into two separate scenes. A certain very important aspect of the book scene was left out of this scene, so presumably there will be another scene later in the season to reach the same final result as in the books. We’ll be seeing more adventures of Arya & the Hound this season, which is good because I could watch a whole season of just Arya & the Hound and be happy. Also, Polliver was indeed back.

  184. KG
    Posted March 22, 2014 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Conal,

    Hahaha #ileftschool

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