New S4 featurette: The royal wedding
By Hear Me Roar on in Media.

Here is another video from behind the scenes, this time featuring the royal wedding of Joffrey and Margaery. The director Alex Graves, the art director Philippa Broadhurst, and first and foremost the home economist Karyn Booth explain their takes on it (pretty, and yummy!). The Tyrell family (Roger Ashton Griffiths and Natalie Dormer) also have a say.

Hear Me Roar: The copy is unfortunately not that good, and there are a few seconds of audio missing at the end. Quite an oppulent affair, this royal wedding, isn’t it? I always pictured it indoors, but I guess they should enjoy the nice weather before winter comes, hehe.


108 Comments

  1. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    I actually think its good that they did not put it indoors because it would have been seen the same as the other two previous weddings and they might have wanted to avoid repetition.

  2. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:43 pm | Permalink

    Damn it.

    No.2

  3. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:46 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Sorry, i did not know this was a race .

  4. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    Tyrionisthebest,

    But the ultimate reason for staging it outdoors will probably be because if they held it in the Throne Room set then there wouldn’t be so much room to work with. It’s a big set, but not big enough for 250 actors (standing in for over 700 guests) & extras plus crew to comfortably occupy it.

    They’ll probably shrug it off by saying it’s in honour of the Tyrells, therefore put it in a garden, most likely the courtyard of the Red Keep (how else would they be able to prepare all those dishes?).

    I geeked out a bit when the home economist mentioned pastry coffyns stuffed with pork, eggs and pine nuts. This, along with Tyrion’s last dish being Leche of Brawn (pig jelly with milk) is food-related foreshadowing in the books at its best. Maybe I’ve looked too deep into it from drooling to all the courses mentioned in the books, but I think it was meant to imply things were suddenly going sour for Tyrion.

  5. The Queen's Favorite Finger
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    12 days, 7 hours, 8 minutes to go…..

  6. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:51 pm | Permalink

    It’s a nice day for a purple wedding! I know that joke was used for the red wedding, but I like it and want to use it again.

    If they don’t serve precisely 77 courses, D&D are officially hacks who have ruined the show*.

    *Sarcasm of course

  7. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Do you realize that after 3 episodes there will be no more Joffrey? Damn it im gonna miss him, hell ill miss him more than anyone they´ve killed off so far. I enjoyed every fuc**g scene he was in.

    Viserys too, he should of been around longer to pinch Danys nipples and call himself “the dragon”. Love him too and miss him…

  8. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:52 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Yeah, you may be right, its not like last season with Tyrion and Sansa marriage where there were not so many people present . In fact in the book i believe only a handful of people were present there .

  9. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    They don’t need to explain the wedding being outdoors do they? Non-readers won’t think anything of it. Only book readers know it was indoors in the book. Of course purists look for any excuse to get mad and there will be complaining, but ultimately the change doesn’t negatively effect anything.

  10. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 1:55 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    They’re serving it all on a big buffet table! SH, OMFGs!

    But seriously, I’d love to watch a cooking show just for dishes mentioned in the show and books. I know we’ve already got Inn at the Crossroads & A Feast of Ice and Fire, but it would still be a million times better than Iron(born) Chef or (7) Hell’s Kitchen.

  11. Carne
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm | Permalink

    Does anyone know if they’re livestreaming the London GoT premiere tonight?

  12. Deathdreams
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:

    If they don’t serve precisely 77 courses, D&D are officially hacks who have ruined the show*.

    *Sarcasm of course

    Didn’t lady Oleana make a joke about 77 versions of the Rains of Castamere?

  13. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams,

    I think there was a song performed at the wedding with 77 verses, and each of the 7 singers did their rendition of The Rains of Castamere, so Olenna sarcastically japed that “It has been an hour, I’ve forgotten how it goes.” And I only remember that from reading that chapter 4 or 5 times over after 2 reads of the whole book.

    Seeing as Singer’s Stew has been cut, I wonder if they hint at the Margaery infidelity storyline early by naming a couple of singers at the wedding and having them appear as featured extras (‘not talking about Sigur Ros though)?

  14. Deathdreams
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    oh yeah, I remember now. Thanks. Those were really good chapters.
    Did I mention how nice it is to not have Jon Snow19 here in everyones face.

  15. Hear Me Roar
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Just for the record, I like their choice of staging it outdoors! :)

  16. Felt Pelt
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Those are neat details. Leche de Brawn could also mean he is going to be fucked over by Bronn, and may soon be closer to the pig riders than he thinks.

  17. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    The more shots of Croatia the better! The entire reception’s taking place at Parc Gradac, overlooking the Fortress and the Old Town, and now it’s getting a 25-minute commercial in the form of this scene. I think it’s the same place Jaime bids farewell to Brienne and Podrick that we saw in the costume short.

    My guess is the location is meant to be the Red Keep courtyard as I mentioned earlier, because it seems like the best place to stage it, but there are shots with mountains in the distance instead of walls. Stony mountains, which wouldn’t be anywhere near King’s Landing or even south across the Blackwater.

  18. Daniellica
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:34 pm | Permalink

    Is the dwarf joust a no-go? Haven’t seen any clips of it in anything so far, and don’t remember people talking about the casting. I can see them removing that whole thread from Tyrion’s plotline, as the story (as I know it) thus far can work without, but I’m curious. It’s such a visual event, I would think they’d keep it, not to mention the emotional torment it inflicts.

    My apologies if this has (likely) been hashed over elsewhere. {:]

  19. patchface
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    Watching that video I feel sorry for Sansa who has to sit with the Lannisters. Poor girl :(

  20. zod
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    Dwarfs have been cast.

    http://www.ohsosmall.com/

    “It’s trailer #3 for the hit franchise Game of Thrones! OhSoSmall supplied 4 featured actors who will make their debut appearance in this season.”

  21. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    They better ride those pigs ….

  22. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    We’ve hashed about it on a Peter Dinklage article forum published a few weeks ago. I pretty much initiated the talk about how they wouldn’t use a dog and a pig, but would probably use ponies instead. Other suggestions included donkeys and even swordplay on foot, and the former sounds much more demeaning. Joffrey now taunting Tyrion by saying, “I want to see you ride that ass!”

  23. Ashara D
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Hear Me Roar,

    Me too. And it undoubtedly made for much faster resets thus more interesting camera angles and shots in the out-of-doors than in the throne room with the very tight shooting schedule. Looks great! Can’t wait!

  24. jentario
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    No pigs. Confirmed in a recent interview. They say it would be abusing the animals.

  25. gisizzlah
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    hmmm, thought they would’ve invited the chicks from ‘inn at the crossroads’…..

  26. zod
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 2:58 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I missed that one. Do you have a link to that interview??

  27. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    No pigs. Confirmed in a recent interview. They say it would be abusing the animals.


    Abuse? If you could ask a pig would it rather be eaten or ridden by dwarfs i think we can guess the answer.

  28. jentario
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink
  29. jentario
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    It’s in the other thread somewhere. The D&D one…
    Here, SPOILERS!
    http://io9.com/tons-of-details-on-game-of-thrones-including-whats-no-1550097800

  30. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:05 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    zod,

    It’s in the other thread somewhere. The D&D one…
    Here, SPOILERS!
    http://io9.com/tons-of-details-on-game-of-thrones-including-whats-no-1550097800

    And finally, the article says A Feast For Crows and A Dance of Dragons contain a lot of tangential material that is unlikely to make it into the TV show – the clearest hint yet that some of the subplots in those books will be cut or heavily trimmed

    YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS no AFFC/DWD nonsense.

  31. Hollyoak
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    I haven’t watched any of these featurettes.

    Is Kate Dickie coming back to play Lysa Arryn?

  32. Moonboy
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:14 pm | Permalink

    http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2014/03/game-of-thrones-season-4-bran-already-knows-about-the-red-wedding-says-isaac-hempstead-wright.html

    So Isaac has kind of pointed out that all the people who appeared in his dreams are going to die. And it’s also right about Jon since I assume he hasn’t read ADWD or he just didn’t want to spoil the interviewer.

  33. Silver of Wyman
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Kind-of news on the Telltale GoT game:
    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/455631/telltales-game-of-thrones-is-concurrent-with-show/

    Well that’s disappointing. In my opinion the Blackfyre Rebellion and the War of the Ninepenny Kings would have been the better scenarios to start the series at. Now it’s most likely going to be the aSoIaF/aGoT story all over again just from a different viewpoint. Even if they do something like assassinate Cersei before Robert dies or something to change the War of the Five Kings storyline all together, they still have to deal with the Others/White Walkers, Dragons, Littlefinger, Varys, Illyrio, Euron, Jaqen plots and all sorts of stuff, that was set in motion years before the story began. This reeks of corporate BS like: “more people will buy the game, if it has those fan favorite characters like Turion and Kaleesi in it”. Not saying, that the game will suck, but this is a wrong direction, that they’re taking it.

  34. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman,

    The game is based on the series not the books so it makes sense they focus on the show world .

  35. Silver of Wyman
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:26 pm | Permalink

    Tyrionisthebest:

    The show world has mostly the same history as the book world (some things like Jaehaerys II are cut, but that’s not such a big change) so they still could have done those scenarios.

  36. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Thanks for these insights. The details you described actually helps me perceive
    the events even better, if not realistic in my minds eye. I would think the
    filming has boosted ( the already expanding ) interest in tourist attractions
    from those abroad. I had my doubts about an outdoor venue for the wedding
    but now I look forward to it.

  37. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t watched them either. It was mentioned several months ago that
    Little Robert and Ms Dicki would return, but I forget whether that refers
    to S4. I would think not, unless it’s for a very short cameo. Season 5
    sounds reasonable to me.

  38. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman,

    Telltale doesn’t really operate under grounds of forcing “epic, sprawling” into things that don’t need to go that route. This could very well tackle a much smaller-scale scenario and do so commendably.

    Setting the story concurrent may be a financial move but I think it’s a good one. I’m willing to bet this won’t involve major players in the series much regardless.

  39. mal
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Tommen sighting@ 0:14 sitting w/ Cersei, Tyrion…!

  40. sjwenings
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    jentario: It’s in the other thread somewhere. The D&D one…
    Here, SPOILERS!
    http://io9.com/tons-of-details-on-game-of-thrones-including-whats-no-1550097800

    Damn it! Thats rather worrying. I read on westeros about the scene where Jaime more or less rapes Cersei in the sept. Now it seems NCW confirms this by saying that he and Cersei has “a very dark ecounter”. Why would they – D&D – do this? This is worse than the cousin-killing! I know this doesn’t confirm it 100% or anything, but….

  41. Hollyoak
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t watched them either. It was mentioned several months ago that
    Little Robert and Ms Dicki would return, but I forget whether that refers
    to S4. I would think not, unless it’s for a very short cameo. Season 5
    sounds reasonable to me.

    Thanks, Wildseed. I hope to see her. Her portrayal was awesome.

  42. Sean C.
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t watched them either. It was mentioned several months ago that
    Little Robert and Ms Dicki would return, but I forget whether that refers
    to S4. I would think not, unless it’s for a very short cameo. Season 5
    sounds reasonable to me.

    Er, what would Sansa being doing for the rest of the season if you don’t expect to see Lysa until Season 5?

  43. Silver of Wyman
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    The problem here is, that it would need to very small and insignificant scenario to not let the show’s/book’s major conflicts affect it it a major way. I’m all in for game about the lord of the Sunhouse or a hedge knight in service to lady Oakheart, but the problem is, that story would be so insignificant compared to the stuff, that’s going on outside it, that it’s a waste of license.

  44. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman,

    Yeah, I am too, but I agree. Rather, I think they may take cues from their TWD game adaptation and come up with something at least somewhat original which can cross paths with major currents in the show’s story while telling an appropriately minor yet nevertheless enthralling little saga in which no one is safe because the cast is largely new.

  45. zod
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Thanks!

  46. Hand of the Kingslayer
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:08 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    You’re welcome

  47. Tatters
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:09 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman,

    They could have it follow a fan favorite, Bronn, Ed, old reek, Khal Drogo, Podrick, even Oberyn or his daughters. Kind of a life story.

  48. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    mal,

    Speaking of the Maester sitting next to him at the breakfast…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKjoE8YBYZY

    If I ever met Julian Glover in real life, I’d ask him if he could say, “I have located the main power generators; The shield will be down in moments. You may start your landing,” in his Pycelle voice :D.

  49. Udi
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    They should serve THE Peach!
    *sarcasm too*

  50. Silver of Wyman
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    It’s quite sad to think, that Pycelle dies (most likely) in season 5 now when Julian has said that he might get “a two summers work out of it”.

  51. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings,

    So fucking in front of Joffrey’s corpse isn’t considered dark? I’m not buying it as rape until I see it.

  52. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Haha, yes.

  53. Daniellica
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Thank you, gents!

  54. Greenjones
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink
  55. King stannis
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    The wedding looks like it’s going to be huge.

    In other note, I hate pycelle. I hope he dies

  56. sjwenings
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Oh wait, yeah! I forgot about that bit. Hope regrowing.

  57. Greenjones
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    An interview with Gwedoline Christie as well.

    sjwenings,

    I have no reason to doubt that Gran de Lys was telling the truth. What she suggested about Brienne and Cersei having a scene together is alluded to in the article, I’ve linked. She talked about Melisandre having scenes Selyse and Shireen and those are mentioned in the Carice van Houten link above. I think the “dark encounter” will be as she said too, which will piss some people off when it airs.

  58. Jordan
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    RE the possible rape mentioned at those spoilers on Westeros. I agree that the poster definitely did watch the episodes/was providing legit spoilers, so I anticipate the scene pretty much going as described and eliciting a lot of hatred for D&D. I don’t think this is quite fair because in the text this encounter as well as the one Bran witnesses has a bit of a “rape fantasy” vibe (and this time it is pretty much “hatesex”), but people are still going to hate D&D for this, despite it having some textual support.

  59. Greenjones
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Yeah. Gran de Lys said that it worked as a scene and that Nikolaj sold the emotion of it. It will still be hard to watch but having heard Alex Graves’s commentary on S3 and hearing his insight into Cersei and Jaime, I think the scene is in good hands.

  60. Joshua Atreides
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 6:12 pm | Permalink

    We have a new “gate ” folks! Rapegate!

    Tasteless? Absolutely. But here we are.

    Always support the bottom.

  61. hagard
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 6:34 pm | Permalink

    Jordan,

    Do you have a link to that thread by any chance?

  62. Jordan
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 6:38 pm | Permalink

    hagard,

    It starts pretty early in this thread- http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/86909-little-questions-that-dont-fit-anywhere-else/- and pretty much continues to the end.

  63. Bard
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    It seems more and more likely that Roose will return to the Dreadfort early in the season. Which probably means no Most Cailin.

  64. Greenjones
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    Roose will return to the Dreadfort in episode 2 but that doesn’t rule out Moat Caillin. We know from the trailers that they put Theon back in his armour and ride him out with a white flag. Also they cast Ralf Kenning. Whether or not they call it Moat Caillin, who knows, but some equivalent scenario will take place.

  65. Annara Snow
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:07 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Hollyoak,

    I haven’t watched them either. It was mentioned several months ago that
    Little Robert and Ms Dicki would return, but I forget whether that refers
    to S4. I would think not, unless it’s for a very short cameo. Season 5
    sounds reasonable to me.

    I’m not sure what you’re talking about. Lysa will obviously be in this season, and Lysa will be dead by the end of the season, most likely in the finale.

  66. Bard
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    But he needs to pass through Moat Cailin to get to the Dreadfort in the first place.

  67. Enfield
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Just read that thread on Westeros. Those are some dismal folks over there, huh? Page after page of “Sansa and Stannis and Jaime are ruined because of minor changes”. I think I’ll lay off the internet babble about the show until the season is done. The comments on this site can be downers sometimes, but goddamn…

  68. Valaquen
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Joshua Atreides:
    We have a new “gate ” folks! Rapegate!


    Tasteless? Absolutely. But here we are.

    Always support the bottom.

    Yep, more handwringing and footstomping to come, as there is every year over something that turns out to be insignificant.

  69. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:19 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    Yep. I’m generally totally absent from here whenever a season is in effect, somewhat ironically enough.

    Ditto when anything else I like is introduced. New BioWare game? Off of BSN. New Star Trek film? Gone from Trek BBS. So forth.

    Good move.

  70. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    Why, because it was in the books ? Nobody in the show ever said the need to do that . They can just omit that part and say they need to go there for another reason .

  71. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    Enfield,

    Yeah, westeros is a sucky site, i wouldnt base my expectations based on the posts that are made there made by purists who are so obnoxious it makes you want to smash the computer .

  72. Enfield
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:31 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    Definitely. Just to do something to avoid the first-wave of poorly thought out gut reactions to events that happened on a show that they consider the mentally challenged stepson of the Books.

    By the way, if the “rape” scene does occur, it will only be slightly worse than the book version. It’s not like Jaime jumped out of the bushes with a chloroform rag.

    Edited for quotes

  73. Greenjones
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:32 pm | Permalink

    Bard,

    Well maybe they’ll call it something elseso long as its a Northern fort with Ironborn occupying it and Reek can demonstrate his turncloakery.. But Roose will be in the DF in ep. 2.

  74. KG
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:37 pm | Permalink

    In the book she does tell him no initially. Mainly because she doesn’t want to get caught.

    But we’ll see.

  75. KG
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:38 pm | Permalink

    Westeros.org folks are so obnoxious that they make me hate Game of Thrones. I don’t even want to be tangentially associated with them.

  76. King stannis
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    I was reading that Westeros website and holy shit what a bunch sour puss. I started getting a headache. I wouldn’t be surprise if one of them start bitching on the size boots a character wears differently between the books and the show. My god!

  77. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 8:02 pm | Permalink

    OT: HBO is going to submit ‘True Detective’ in the drama series category instead of mini-series. This is a surprise. That show was a lock to win every thing in the mini-series category, but now it will be competing with ‘Breaking Bad’ and could knock out one or two other HBO shows from being nominated.

  78. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 8:11 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah, i dont know what HBO was thinking when they made this decision, this hurts both Game of Thrones from even being nominated and it hurts True Detective chance at winning too . Just a poor decision overral imo .

  79. JamesL
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 8:34 pm | Permalink

    People always bash Westeros as if it is the most negative fan community towards the show but these people are obviously unfamiliar with the tumblr “fandom” for this show, or at least a certain portion of the fandom on there. Westeros is nothing compared to the stuff I read on tumblr. Westeros may complain about stuff but I don’t see the hatred and hostility towards David and Dan and the show like I see all over tumblr. I complain about a lot of things in the show but I don’t bash or hate on David or Dan, they have dedicated a significant portion of there lives to making this and without them there would be no show.

  80. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 8:48 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    Er….. your point is well taken, and queried by others and myself of that very fact.
    It appears that S4 ( well discussed topic ) includes elements of ADWD and many
    topics to cover. Along with adapted material from the books, there has been a
    bit more scrutiny this time around, in letting eager fans ( matters most to those
    with foreknowledge ) explicitly know relative events that include all talking points. That’s not
    a bad thing. While it makes sense to some us that LF time spent at the Eyrie
    would prove crucial, at this juncture, it may not be in the best interest of S4.
    No doubt we’ll see the Eyrie….. well, I hope…..the time spent may be reduced in
    S4 and expanded in S5. I haven’t become religiously checking the web-verse as
    many do here, but I haven’t read any mention of Little Robert for many months.
    What of casting for Mya Stone and other nobles in and about the Vale & Eyrie ?
    There’s much to speculate about, although I am content with waiting for the
    outcome. Anticipating every minute of each episode can be stressful, however
    fun when broad subjects come about.

  81. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm | Permalink

    Annara Snow,

    thanks for the absolutes. no doubt about it ( :

  82. cosca
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    there really is no doubt, sorry. They’ve cast a few of the Vale lords, including Bronze Yohn

  83. Jordan
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    I agree. I’ve been browsing Westeros recently and it hasn’t been too bad- a lot of posters do seem to like the show and when the various articles were posted about the show potentially overtaking the books (and Martin’s proposed “solutions”), blame was placed squarely on Martin.

    In contrast, when I browse tumblr for Game of Thrones, I see a lot of bashing of D&D (including one recent post saying if their faces were on fire and they had a glass of water, they would drink the water).

  84. Sean C.
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 10:15 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    What of casting for Mya Stone and other nobles in and about the Vale & Eyrie ?

    Yohn Royce and Anya Waynwood are in this season. No Mya, but it’s entirely possibly we’re not going to see her at all, and in any event, she’s not in ASOS.

  85. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    I remember that, some time ago. Has Mya Stone been cast? Eliminated ? Has anyone
    discussed at length , scenes that have been hinted at or introduced in trailers regarding
    Littlefinger’s stay at the Eyrie ? Any leaked filming at the Castle?

    Viewers are aware that Tyrion made a pact with LF and Tywin did not discourage the
    venture. Following up on that story seems likely, which I implied in my comments.
    I’m doubtful that there’s much to the story and speculate that an expansion would
    be likely for S5. On the other hand I’m only aware of the list of directors for the season.
    The exact account of scripting ( more are being released each week as the series countdown nears) is kept discreet for well thought out planning. By the beginning of April, and as the series begin it’s 4th season, what’s more comforting than to sit back and observe each episode as it’s meant to be. I mean, no matter what’s discussed or dispelled among the comments here, seeing is believing.

  86. WildSeed
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 10:45 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    glad Royce is included, I wouldn’t rule out other additions for future episodes. For now,
    I’m content with that. The detailed storyline at the Eyrie and the Fingers, is prime for
    trimming away for a more efficient story. My hope is that GoT does some justice to
    the machinations of LF. Much is spoken aloud there that gave me pause, if gave
    interesting insights to what’s really occurring at KL. It was good too, listening to
    the thoughts of Sansa , and the guile spoken by Lysa. I really
    didn’t become a fan of Sansa until those days began… that is…entertaining
    a new life as a Stark , again She’s been a well behaved goat thus far.

  87. Myra
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm | Permalink

    King stannis,

    I agree. People can hate the show for whatever reason they want and they can go online to bitch about it. But they literally take over every single thread. It’s just irritating because I would love some reasonable discussion about the show that doesn’t end with a bunch of whining.

  88. Sean C.
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 11:15 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    . The detailed storyline at the Eyrie and the Fingers, is prime for trimming away for a more efficient story.

    You think that’s a story for trimming? There’s only like five chapters, total, which will have to serve for the better part of two seasons.

  89. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 11:16 pm | Permalink

    The books are lame anyway, so are the book purists. The show is superior.

  90. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 25, 2014 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    And I’m not trolling, it’s an honest opinion that I’ve held for a while. HP books are better than the films, PJ books are better than the films, Narnia books are better than the films, LOTR books are about equal to the films (imo) except I would have liked to see the scouring of the Shire but I’m alright with it being omitted. GoT just has a better narrative structure than the books. Less is more, which GRRM doesn’t seem to understand. The books still have beautiful prose, they’re just poorly written, mostly in the case of the latest two books.

  91. JamesL
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 1:36 am | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    LOTR movies > LOTR books, I can’t imagine the LOTR films being done better then what Peter Jackson did but I can’t say the same about the GoT tv show. I love the show but I could definitely see it being done better then what we have gotten. The story is told better in the books than it is in the show.

  92. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 2:37 am | Permalink

    JamesL:
    Greatness Arrisessss,

    LOTR movies > LOTR books, I can’t imagine the LOTR films being done better then what Peter Jackson did but I can’t say the same about the GoT tv show.I love the show but I could definitely see it being done better then what we have gotten.The story is told better in the books than it is in the show.

    I disagree, I think the story is told better in the show, but it’s pointless arguing. When it’s all over I think the show will have the better ending and most consistency as well.

  93. Satin
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:01 am | Permalink

    WildSeed: I remember that, some time ago. Has Mya Stone been cast? Eliminated ? Has anyone
    discussed at length , scenes that have been hinted at or introduced in trailers regarding
    Littlefinger’s stay at the Eyrie ? Any leaked filming at the Castle?

    We didn’t get much of the filming there – which would make sense, since most of it would probably have been done indoors – but there were some pictures of stand-ins in the Eyrie’s throne room – causing the Great Sansa Hair Colour Debate of 2014 (let’s not repeat that, please). Also, we know from one of the Making-Ofs that the Eyrie set has been dismantled, so yes, we’ll see Lysa tumble this year.

    As for Sweetrobin, there is a scene in one of the trailers that might be him and Petyr.

    As mentioned above, Royce, and Anya Waynwood(?) have been cast. As for Mya, nothing so far, and obviously there is still a chance that she’ll simply be swapped for Gendry, if Littlefinger happens to come across him in Blackwater Bay, and decides having one of Robert’s bastards around might be useful.
    I’d also suspect that we actually get more plot in the vale next season, possibly getting into TWOW territory. I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if we get the infamous Harry the Heir for season 5.

  94. Satin
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:12 am | Permalink

    JamesL: The story is told better in the books than it is in the show.

    Actually, both have too many characters and way too many storylines, and the pacing is usually a mess.

    That said, I find it a bit like comparing apples and oranges. The books are more in-depth, and the POV structure was a very bold move, especially for a genre as traditional as epic fantasy. The show, on the other hand, trumps with brilliant performances and gorgeous settings, and is daring in bringing characters which are often grotesquely exaggerated to the point of caricatures in the books back to more normal, “human” dimensions. I understand this doesn’t work for everyone, but with the limited time the show has to introduce these characters and make us care for them, it’s simply the better solution.

  95. Greatness Arrisessss
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:21 am | Permalink

    Satin: Actually, both have too many characters and way too many storylines, and the pacing is usually a mess.

    That said, I find it a bit like comparing apples and oranges. The books are more in-depth, and the POV structure was a very bold move, especially for a genre as traditional as epic fantasy. The show, on the other hand, trumps with brilliant performances and gorgeous settings, and is daring in bringing characters which are often grotesquely exaggerated to the point of caricatures in the books back to more normal, “human” dimensions. I understand this doesn’t work for everyone, but with the limited time the show has to introduce these characters and make us care for them, it’s simply the better solution.

    Agreed!

  96. Ozymandias
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:29 am | Permalink

    The show is not perfect but it’s way underrated by some people. Not even funny.

  97. Victor
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Valyrian Plastic,

    Or you could say “Remember Dr. Jones…don’t trust anyone”.

  98. Valyrian Plastic
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 12:45 pm | Permalink

    Victor,

    It’s all good, I’m not likely to meet any cast members after all. Unless I holiday in Croatia one summer in the not-to-distant future. In another recent interview he said he was paid only £50 for his role as General Veers in Empire Strikes Back, and now gets paid higher sums to appear at sci-fi conventions.

  99. siberia82
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    I’ve noticed that the seat on Mace Tyrell’s right at the wedding feast is vacant. Surely that’s Loras’ place (as Olenna is positioned on Mace’s left), but why would Loras be absent from that scene?

  100. cosca
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Greatness Arrisessss,

    When it’s all over, the show will have the ONLY ending.

  101. Blind Beth
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 1:23 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Kind-of news on the Telltale GoT game:
    http://www.computerandvideogames.com/455631/telltales-game-of-thrones-is-concurrent-with-show/

    “Roose Bolton returns home and is annoyed to find that his bastard son Ramsay has “pruned” Theon.”

    Poor Roose, second time this has happened to him, lol. It’s time to re-examine your management style when everyone under you seems to assume that removing parts from captives is something you’d be totally cool with.

  102. WildSeed
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Satin: I’d also suspect that we actually get more plot in the vale next season, possibly getting into TWOW territory. I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if we get the infamous Harry the Heir for season 5.

    Thanks much for these insights . From your comment above, I’m also in total agreement regarding more plot lines for season 5. It makes sense with the pacing of so many elements still in development, including that leading up to TWOW. I does surprise me of Lysa’s fate so soon, but I easily tired of her maddening schemes from reading so good riddance. Littlefinger’s machinations certainly need to be slowly digested, not rushed, so I’d appreciate the careful pacing to completely satisfy . The visit to the ” Fingers” is out, you say ? I was curious if LF was to boast of his humble beginnings *>*

  103. WildSeed
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 4:59 pm | Permalink

    Sean C.,

    It’s not the length of the story, per se, but the meandering point to it.
    Other than learning of Littlefingers humble origins, at the Fingers,I found most of the details thereafter quite boring. Particularly the events affecting Sansa there. Things
    really heated up once they made the journey to the Eyrie, even though I found Lysa’s maddening ways something least desired when reading.
    That’s just my opinion,
    of course. *>*

  104. WildSeed
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    Satin: a bit like comparing apples and oranges

    I couldn’t agree more. My perception is to appreciate the merits of this adapted series, appreciating the elements it’s adapted from a well respected book source. I’ve grumbled along the way, and personally experienced a learning curve with my expectations, yet remain eager to view what the show runners have come up with.

    Satin: The books are more in-depth, and the POV structure was a very bold move, especially for a genre as traditional as epic fantasy. The show, on the other hand, trumps with brilliant performances and gorgeous settings, and is daring in bringing characters which are often grotesquely exaggerated to the point of caricatures in the books back to more normal, “human” dimensions. I understand this doesn’t work for everyone, but with the limited time the show has to introduce these characters and make us care for them, it’s simply the better solution.

    One must respect the process, and appreciate the outcome. So much is involved, it’s daunting. I personally believe S4 to be a game changer, with more deviations compared to previous seasons. The producers have had a well guarded premise this time around, compared to previous seasons.Even GRRM made some hints with respect to the alterations.
    There is much more uncertainty to speculate about and this time around seeing is proving more to the direction of the series. I’m all for that. Viewing the show with fresh eyes may be as rewarding as the source it was adapted from. I don’t anticipate them to be equal and I appreciate both, flaws and all.

  105. WildSeed
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    palm to face *>* . too many martinis drank at lunchtime prompted that decision.

  106. Satin
    Posted March 26, 2014 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    I find it leaves way more room for other things in my life, if I simply accept books and show to be two different beasts and move on. (That, and I’ve seen adaptations that are actually, legitimately horrible, and there’s really no comparison.)

    lol, I don’t know if the Fingers are left out, sorry. I hope they are left in, personally, but I love that storyline to bits. What does he have, four retainers and ten sheep or something? It was hilarious. No wonder the poor guy was hoping for more. Too bad he kind of went all supervillain between all the social climbing.

  107. Giskard
    Posted March 27, 2014 at 12:08 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Not three, two. Purple Wedding is in the 2nd episode.


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