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New Benioff & Weiss Q&A in Entertainment Weekly

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ONE! There’s just one more day until the season premiere of Game of Thrones season 4. Luckily there are plenty of juicy interviews to pass the time until then.

Entertainment Weekly has a new interview with show runners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss that’s full of goodness. Here are the highlights:

  • As previews have shown, there will be a battle this season that Benioff says will “hopefully surpass the Blackwater battle — and it still might not be our biggest episode of the season.”
  • There are “several” new action scenes that weren’t in the books. Weiss says this season has the “most minutes of action” of any season so far.
  • On Mark Gatiss joining the cast as Tycho Nestoris, Benioff says, “We were so excited when we saw him in the audition. You get the list of people coming in and we saw his name. We didn’t even know he was an option. It was probably annoying for him because we kept wanting to ask him questions about his other shows.”
  • The dragons have minds of their own now and may not always mind their mother. “And that’s difficult when your children weigh 1,500 pounds,” says Weiss.
  • Speaking of the Mother of Dragons, Daenerys will be “facing problems that can’t be solved with armies or dragons,” this season, according to Weiss. This year the khaleesi will be learning that it’s easier to conquer a land than it is to rule it.
  • Weiss and Benioff had to go to HBO to ask for more money, as they previously did in season 2, not just for the major battle. “This is the most action and VFX across the board,” says Benioff. He adds, “The last three episodes are massive.”
  • On Prince Oberyn of Dorne, Benioff says, “As you say, he’s so different from all the characters we’ve met before. We’ve never met a Dornishman. It’s a whole new country and lifestyle and set of values. It’s fun not just for the character, but seeing how that character with his own worldview conflicts with the characters we’ve already established.”
  • Entertainment Weekly asks the executive producers, “Is there any possibility of deceased characters from previous seasons showing up in flashbacks or dreams this season?” All David Benioff has to say to that is, “Watch and find out.”

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247 Comments

  • Why didnt you mention the fact that they said that season 7 is going to be the end ? Do you still want to give false hope to the people who actually think there are going to be 9 or 10 seasons and that AFFC and ADWD are going to take three seasons to adapt ?

  • Benioff: We always get reports from HBO the day after the episode airs and we get this document at end of the season dissecting the ratings. It’s important to them so it’s important to us.

    Feel GeekFurious’s fury.

  • Ours is the Fury,

    I thought there was a big debate for whether they meant 7 or 8 seasons and some people actually thought there could be even more . Well this thing clearly says 7 seasons .

  • Entertainment Weekly asks the executive producers, “Is there any possibility of deceased characters from previous seasons showing up in flashbacks or dreams this season?”

    I hope they’ll be able to give us a Sean Bean cameo at some point.

    And that was a great interview. Color me hyped.

  • Canny wait for some of the new actions scenes. Ironborn vs Boltons, Hounds Vs Knights of the Vale, Brienne vs ?

  • Dunno how much I’m liking the idea of “more action scenes that weren’t in the books.” While it’s necessary to change a lot to adapt the novels, it seems to me that D&D are at their weakest when they’re making shit up out of whole cloth rather than just adapting existing material to make it filmable/watchable. “Where Are My Dragons” is exhibit 1 in that regard.

  • The Loon,

    HBO also care about quality and prestige, forcing the showrunners to do another season wouldn’t be a good way to go about things for them. The Sopranos was their most popular show ever, yet they still ended it after 6 seasons, because that’s what the creative team wanted.

  • The episode at Craster’s Keep will feature an entirely created “action sequence”. Jon and Grenn have disposed of most of the mutineers, and Karl is holding an infant in his hands with a sword at his neck. He tells everyone to drop their swords or he’ll kill the infant. He wants single combat with “the bastard”. Snow commands them to drop their swords and they engage in a drawn out fight. During the fight Snow is pushed towards an open fire multiple times, but it seems to have little effect on him. Fight ends with Karl being stabbed through the face by Longclaw. Night’s Watch takes the infant back to Castle Black. Infant will play a role in a future story change.

  • I thought this was the most interesting segment, given that there’s a lot of folks out there who think D&D are arrogant bastards who only exist to piss them off:

    Is there anything about your show that you think is not good enough?

    Benioff: Yeah, a lot of things.

    Like what?

    Weiss: We’re not telling you. Because once we say it, then you’ll look for it and go, “Wow, that IS terrible, I didn’t realize how awful this element of the show actually is.”

    Benioff: We always think the writing could be better, whether it’s the structure of entire seasons or an episode. I think the writing would be the main thing that’s a constant act of refinement.

    Weiss: Every year there’s a couple horrible Monday morning quarterback moments. Oh, if we’d only done this we could have saved ourselves time and made it better and everybody would have been happy.

    I don’t think people realize how difficult this can all be.

  • On Mark Gatiss joining the cast as Tycho Nestoris, Benioff says, “We were so excited when we saw him in the audition. You get the list of people coming in and we saw his name. We didn’t even know he was an option. It was probably annoying for him because we kept wanting to ask him questions about his other shows.”

    Ha! They were lucky to get hold of him for the week off he had between Doctor Who & Sherlock. Hopefully the gap will be even wider this year so they can bring him back for Season 5. But only if they get an increased headgear budget, otherwise it would just be stupid >_<.

    DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME, D&D! THREE TIERS HAS THE HAT OF THE BANKER! (I'm pretty sure that's how the prophecy went).

  • Alan:
    I thought this was the most interesting segment, given that there’s a lot of folks out there who think D&D are arrogant bastards who only exist to piss them off:

    I don’t think people realize how difficult this can all be.

    I agree. And its refreshing to hear them admit what I find is the shows biggest flaw.

  • Do Not Ask,

    During the fight Snow is pushed towards an open fire multiple times, but it seems to have little effect on him.

    Strange that they would push this angle now, when we’ve already seen Jon burning his hand saving Mormont from that wight.

  • It sound like they’re going deep inside AFFC/ADWD material this season which is great! I mean it would probably mean a lot of cutting but I think that’s necessary. Don’t get me wrong ADWD is my personal favourite and I do hope they include mah man Vicky (bookreaders know who I’m talking about) next season but I do think it’s time this show’ll pick up the pace.

    I definitely see season 4 going up to the AFFC/ADWD halfway point. With season 5 being AFFC and ADWD part 2 with some bits of TWOW included. And season 6 and 7 being TWOW and ADOS. I think it would work. We don’t really need a lot of stuff from book 4 and 5. It’s great on paper but it wouldn’t work on a tv show.

    I don’t get why a lot of bookreaders still think the show’s going on past season 7. It’s not gonna happen so let’s focus on the good stuff. It means we’ll see certain scenes way before we thought we were gonna see them and even see lots of stuff new to us as well. And this will happen as early as next year! The show may not play out as we thought it would but I think it will be better for it and can’t wait to see it. Just as I know I’ll still read the books as well to get Martin’s vision of it.

    D&D said from the get go the show’s a seperate entity and not an attachment to Martin’s awesome books and Martin himself confirmed this and said he approved of this vision. So why should we be dissatisfied. We get two great stories for the price of one and I still think the show will work as a good adaptation as well. Just not one that sticks slavishly to the material. And why would they? There are loads of great adaptations that don’t and still end up bieng great. Think about LOTR for instance. I mean if you want to talk different endings…

    I rest my case.

  • I really hope they’re going for an extended season 7 like Breaking Bad to avoid contract renegotiations. I can’t see why they would honestly want to finish it in 7 standard seasons if they could finish in 8 (which allows some breathing room rather than blind rushing or extreme cutting).

    And they better not kill Tormund. I will have their heads.

  • Rygar,

    Why are you the only one I hear this from? Why are you the one to complain about the writing? I just don’t think you understand how it is to write a show like this.

  • Tatters:
    Rygar,

    Why are you the only one I hear this from? Why are you the one to complain about the writing? I just don’t think you understand how it is to write a show like this.

    I’m just insane. And penis obsessed.

  • Winterdark:
    It sound like they’re going deep inside AFFC/ADWD material this season which is great…I definitely see season 4 going up to the AFFC/ADWD halfway point. With season 5 being AFFC and ADWD part 2 with some bits of TWOW included.

    Well, kind of yes and no.

    Nothing from King’s Landing is getting into AFFC/ADWD territory. Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime, Sansa/Littlefinger, etc., is likely to get past ASOS.

    Jon and Sam aren’t getting there, either. Neither is Stannis and Davos. They are actually adding plot here, not speeding through.

    Arya won’t get there, either.

    It’s possible Brienne could start, but I doubt it gets too far. I know there’s a theory we’ll get through her entire story and LS will end Season Four with Brienne. It’s not a bad idea; I doubt it happens.

    Bran is definitely getting into ADWD. Theon is getting to some of it, along with finishing up the “flashback” from the book. Asha is getting a made up story.

    I think Dany is likely to dip into the beginning of ADWD, though not as far as people seem to think, IMO. The reviews have her somewhat absent from Eps 1-3 — they may just not give her a ton of screentime.

    In the end, that’s not much of AFFC/ADWD. I still see very strong arguments for doing those two books in one season — namely that there’s a single story arc and not a lot of mid-point climaxes that they can use for season climaxes.

    But they really aren’t dipping into AFFC/ADWD this season much at all.

  • Well this interview is interesting, somewhat fresh if candid replies from Benioff & Weiss.
    Lately we’ve been reading repeated replies from two years ago. If anything there is further insight into the writing process and the need to be more discreet about what’s to aire onscreen. There’s no doubt that this strategy has been employed wisely for season 4. My guess it that viewers and those with foreknowledge are put slightly on equal footing. The readers cannot dictate the form of the events, nor it’s characters. Foreknowledge cannot be eliminated, but we find ourselves questioning what will be included or revised. This is where speculation, IMO, has taken on a different slant for the upcoming season compared to previous ones. S4 , IMO, is a game changer in it’s approach in writing as well as the elements allowed viewed prior to showtime. In order to keep everyone happy, there is the necessity of surprise. By now even viewers only are aware of the intrigue of the story. I say the shown runners are being very pragmatic about their production and I respect that. As two very separate and intact vehicles, the books & onscreen series accomplishes what the the other cannot, allowing all interested to be thoroughly entertained.

    A production like GoT is never easy. The challenge to adapt a rich explicit book series that satisfies newbies and the expectations of those with foreknowledge is daunting. Budgeting in the sets, actors and locales is mind altering. That said, I have my misgivings about the show, as any decent Sullied would have, but it’s a fine effort and I wouldn’t miss it for anything.

  • They could easily bring Sean Bean back for a cameo if they do some of Bran’s weirwood stuff. Ned sitting in the godswood of Winterfell praying Jon and Robb grow up like brothers…As for more dead coming back to life I sincerely hope that was an honest to god Stoneheart reference.

  • Tyrionisthebest:
    Ours is the Fury,

    I thought there was a big debate for whether they meant 7 or 8 seasons and some people actually thought there could be even more . Well this thing clearly says 7 seasons .

    I was of the same impression also. Nothing is written in stone, though. A lot can happen between season 4 thru 7, with a call for extending the premise for completion. Or maybe I’m in denial phase one. ( :

  • Rygar: I’m just insane.And penis crazy.

    There’s a lot more dick in GoT than most shows, so I understand why you watch.

    The acting in GoT is superb, on a whole. The production values are insanely good, especially once you get past Season 1. The SFX are great and used properly. These last two points especially when you consider the budget levels. The camera work was very bland in season 1 but has really picked up in terms of cinematics. The show has found its style and stride.

    I think the writing is pretty good overall. Strong dialogue, good scenes. Most of the struggles with scale are budget/time related.

    It’s the overall arc they struggle with, and I think the primary driver of that is scale and scope. I don’t think they’ve done a superb job here, but I think they’ve done an overall good job that could have been better.

  • WildSeed,

    Hey Wildseed, I’ve been on this website for 2+ years, and I’ve always been meaning to ask: is english your mother tongue?

  • Alan,

    I agree. But I do see Brienne getting to Stoneheart this season. I think that throughout the season, we won’t be seeing much of Brienne’s AFFC arc (a number of scenes with Podrick but no Cracklaw point of Quiet Isle type if scenes), then we get that fight with Rorge and Biter (where she bites his war off and spits it in his face). Then the last scene of the season will be Brienne being brought to Stoneheart while Stoneheart hangs a Frey. Then season 5 starts off with Stoneheart- instant payoff rather than having to wait a whole season (like in the book). In the first episode of season 5 we get Brienne’s trial and her and Podrick’s near hanging. Then Stoneheart sends Brienne on a quest to find Jamie (and I hope she sends Thoros with Brienne in the show because Paul Kaye is the shit) and then we get some AFFC Brienne scenes (Thoros gives Meribald’s speech, a fight scene, Quiet Isle and the like) with the arc ending with Brienne reaching Jamie in Riverrun. Overall I don’t think we’ll see much more of Brienne in season 5, though. Equal or less than her season 4 screentime, considering how much the story splinters.

  • Alan: There’s a lot more dick in GoT than most shows, so I understand why you watch.

    The acting in GoT is superb, on a whole. The production values are insanely good, especially once you get past Season 1. The SFX are great and used properly. These last two points especially when you consider the budget levels. The camera work was very bland in season 1 but has really picked up in terms of cinematics. The show has found its style and stride.

    I think the writing is pretty good overall. Strong dialogue, good scenes. Most of the struggles with scale are budget/time related.

    It’s the overall arc they struggle with, and I think the primary driver of that is scale and scope. I don’t think they’ve done a superb job here, but I think they’ve done an overall good job that could have been better.

    It is pretty good. But pretty good is what separates GoT from HBO shows that have amazing writing.

    Doesn’t mean I don’t love the show or that I’m not a fan, KG. ;)

  • Yeah, you may be right on Brienne. But it’s still not a ton of the books for most storylines.

  • I was pleasantly surprised by this interview. I respect their focus, attitude and candor toward this adaptation.

    Benioff said: “Think about the skull Arya hides in during season one — that’s supposed to be a full-sized dragon. And our dragons are still not even close to that. By the time we get to the end, season seven, that’s where they have to get to — assuming they survive.

    Reminds me of the KL flyover tease in the previews.

    I wonder if they’ll depict Drogon (the alpha male) as significantly larger than R & V? Also, I hope they include the names of the dragons during this season.

  • Winterdark: I rest my case.

    I hope you do, because you have no case. What the f… do you know what GRRM have in mind of the story? Dorne, Griff, Victarion, Euron???? You know nothing!

  • From the interview:

    Q: Usually when you go off-book and add scenes that are not in the novels, it’s dialogue-driven content. But from what I’ve been hearing, this season you’re adding more action.
    Weiss: Definitely, several action set-piece scenes that were not in the books.”

    Until now we only know of the Night’s Watch attack on Caster’s Keep, unless I’ve missed some spoiler. I cannot imagine what they can add in terms of action sequences.

    As for Sean Bean doing a cameo, I agree with the posters who said it could be done in Bran’s visions through the weirwood tree. Wouldn’t THAT be exciting!

  • Greyscale FTW,

    I really hope they do. If the Daznak Pit scene is to be done justice, Drogon’s size should be jarring and surprising compared to his siblings(?) in their prison.

  • zod:
    Entertainment Weekly asks the executive producers, “Is there any possibility of deceased characters from previous seasons showing up in flashbacks or dreams this season?”

    I hope they’ll be able to give us a Sean Bean cameo at some point.

    And that was a great interview. Color me hyped.

    How amazing would it be if they showed the Tower of Joy incident through Bran’s flashbacks, including a digitally de-aged Sean Bean?

  • Strider,

    We’ve also got Yara attacking the Dreadfort, the Wildlings attacking some group in field and sacking Molestown (I know that was in the books, but we didn’t see it)

  • Rygar,

    Good eyes. How come we’ve never discussed dragon dongs before? I imagine them to be long and spiky. Kind of like mace when they’re hard and a Morningstar when they’re not. I wouldn’t want to get smacked in the face by one of those, that’s for sure.

  • Tyrionisthebest,

    Like Ours is the Fury’s already said, we already know that this show will run for 7 seasons (8 in the best of cases).

    Not reporting on it is not providing anyone with false hope. Ppl who refuse to accept this fact will keep on refusing to hear, no matter how many times you spell it out for them.

  • “we’re killing off more characters than in the books and will continue to do so.” mmm interesting

    Regarding the writing I think it doesn’t seem top notch because we compare it to the books, and overanalyze every little detail of every scene. No show can withstand this kind of scrutiny.

    Regarding the number of seasons I really hope they go for at least an extende season 7

    And Wildseed was from Jamaica wasn’t she?

  • cosca,

    I’m guessing episode 7, based on the Director’s video where Alik Sakharov was in the Iron Bank set. I imagined the meeting would be in episode 6, then we’d be left hanging until episode 9, but staying absent for just one episode works just as fine. They’ll spoil their involvement by putting all the names in the open credits (ala Charles Dance in Blackwater).

    Could this also mean Brienne runs into Hyle Hunt or Nimble Dick as well? Or maybe even Gendry/BWB?

  • WildSeed:
    A production like GoT is never easy. The challenge to adapt a rich explicit book series that satisfies newbies and the expectations of those with foreknowledge is daunting. Budgeting in the sets, actors and locales is mind altering. That said, I have my misgivings about the show, as any decent Sullied would have, but it’s a fine effort and I wouldn’t miss it for anything.

    WildSeed,
    Well said – and I can’t believe your native language is not English. I remember long ago you said something about being from the Caribbean – so is your native language French, Spanish or Dutch? In any case, you write beautifully in English. And please forgive Rygar’s comment – it sounds like he’s already hitting the bottle and it’s only 4:30 pm here on the East Coast :)

  • just read the EW interview, so 70 minutes of Tyrion in prison…if we see him in prison in Episode 3 (Joffrey’s wedding in episode 2), then he might not kill you-know-who until maybe episode 9? So would episode 10 be his journey away from Westeros?

  • mal,

    No, no, no. Tyrion kills Tywin in episode 10. The journey to Pentos is irrelevant and will be cut. Also, Varys will likely tag along with Tyrion to Pentos in season 5.

  • “Weiss: But season 12 is really going to be the one… [Laughter]”

    12 seasons confirmed. Take that, doubters!

  • Tereeza 777,

    LMAO. I translated for most family members for most of my life, and occasionally asked to at work. BTW, English is my second language and I learned by reading english language texts.

  • Alan,

    I partly disagree there.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you on the KL stuff. That won’t get into AFFC/ADWD territory.

    I also agree about Jon and Sam. I think it’s a good decission to not speed that up because there’s a lot of good stuff there that the story needs but it does make a bit worrysome about the final three seasons.

    Arya will defo get way into AFFC territory maybe even all the way through. We know Braavos is in s4 and we have already seen her ship arriving there. Plus we know The Hound doesn’t make it past ep2 so Arya is likely to board in ep3 or 4 thus sailing out of ASOS territory.

    Brienne too will be going through the bulk of AFFC this season. We know she departs KL in ep4 so that leaves 6 episodes to chronicle her journey in AFFC. (one of the highlights of the books for me)

    Bran is going to go through ALL of ADWD. Simply because even if they put in every event from that book they still only have enough stuff for him to do for 3 maybe 4 episodes. Which means (drumroll) we’ll see new and exciting Bran stuff next season! I am so looking forward to seeing stuff from TWOW.

    Theon might get through an alternate version of all of ADWD this season. I wouldn’t at all be surprised if he ends up being reunited with Asha at the end of this season.

    From what the showrunners have said it’s pretty clear they’re going to include some of Dany’s arc in ADWD this season. They’re obviously talking about sons of the harpy and Dany in marital problems. Plus the showrunners love Dany. That much is obvious and with only ASOS stuff they’ve got material for only 3 episodes with her.

    Anywho that’s what I think will happen this season. Maybe it’s me being optimistic. We do know for certain Arya, Brienne and little Bran are exiting ASOS early in the season. Just how far they’ll get into the next two books we’ll just have to see.

  • Winterdark,

    Nope, Arya is not heading into AFFC. Sorry to disappoint. The show is mostly doing it’s own thing with Arya and the Hound this season and it’s a mystery how it’ll play out. We do know that “Braavosi Captain” was cast for the finale, which clearly seals the deal on your theory. If you truly want to know where Braavos comes in this season, here’s the spoiler: Stannis and Davos are stopping for a visit with the Iron Bank on the way to the Wall.

    And if you or a mod could fix those spoiler tags, it’d help. EDIT: good, whoever did it

  • Ok, here are some random thoughts going into season 4:
    Man, I really want more Direwolves :(
    I’m hoping for mention of Nymeria and for Ghost doing some damage.
    One of the many upsetting events from the Red Wedding was losing Greywind (and they used him pretty effectively and gotten the most out of him than any other of the Direwolves) and now he’s gone!
    I also wished Dany had a scene last season talking about how she bad she acted in season 2 whining about her dragons and demanding people take her seriously when she really had nothing (ie “but I am mother of dragons! give me things!” and “where are my dragons!?”)
    I’m also hoping some word of the Frey’s karmic due gets at least a mention if not a scene.
    Dario: ok, new actor, new perspective. I’m sure when the actor taking over this role got the job, he wanted to have his own take on the character. I’m wondering how this will jibe? He already looks so different than the previous actor (I’m not complaining) but from the previews he seems so different somehow – portrayal-wise. The previous actor seemed to be laughing behind those eyes, like there was some joke only he got, it was very interesting
    Oh, and I’ve been calling it and I hope this is true, since it would help explain the personality change: Shae belongs to Littlefinger and has been playing Tyrion since the beginning of season 2. which would explain how well she’s been watching over Sansa and managed to get Tyrion not to consumate the marriage w/ Sansa etc, and her eventual betrayal of Tyrion at the trial…
    whew ok I’m done! So many thoughts! I’m so stoked for Season 4!

  • pau: And Wildseed was from Jamaica wasn’t she?

    No no, my Catalonian friend, it’s always Haiti for me. No family in Jamaica and i’ve never traveled there. Most have migrated to other french speaking areas of the Caribbean and southern France. I wish I had family in Quebec , I would always have a place to stay there.

  • Winterdark,

    I’m thinking the finale of season 4 will have a lot to do with traveling away from Westeros. Arya heads to Bravos, Tyrion leaving Kings Landing. Based on D & D interview, Tyrion spends quite a bit of time in his cell. Unless there is a larger portion of Tyrion’s cell time after Oberyn loses to the Mountain, he won’t kill you-know-who until Episode 8 or 9 Who else goes on a faraway journey? Haven’t read the book in a while, so does Jorah get “kicked out” of Dany’s group at around this point in the story too. If so, Jorah might be leaving off to somewhere too

  • Alice:
    WildSeed,

    Hey Wildseed, I’ve been on this website for 2+ years, and I’ve always been meaning to ask: is english your mother tongue?

    Non, français (et créole je crois). Elle est haïtienne.

  • cosca:
    Strider,

    We’ve also got Yara attacking the Dreadfort, the Wildlings attacking some group in field and sacking Molestown (I know that was in the books, but we didn’t see it)

    I’ll be honest Yara attacking the Deadfort sequence I’ve equaled it to Asha attacking Deepwood Motte, simply because I believe that whole storyline will be cut. I considered it a trade off one in/on out.

  • mal,

    There is a common theory that Shae was Tywin’s creature from the start (assigned to bang Tyrion and get intimate by Tywin himself while they were in the camp in season 1) which makes a little more sense. Not that I believe it or anything.

  • sati,

    really? I might have missed that. Also, I’ve been thinking more about it, there are some scenes after Oberyn loses to the Mountain so it might not happen too late in the season either. Or like someone said, not until episode 10. Only read through the books once, so I don’t exactly remember what needs to happen to other characters to get to this point, if any. thanks for the info

  • i read so many D&D interviews and never saw them talking about Stannis? why they hate him so much? they made him completely shit in the show although in books Stannis is BAMF!

  • mal,

    Alex Graves pretty much confirmed that the finale this season will actually feel like a finale, instead of a setup for season 5. All of the major events from the end of ASOS will be in it. I think it will be the best episode the show will ever have.

  • Strider,

    Asha attacked Deepwood Motte off page in ACOK and off screen in season 2. It is canon in both mediums. Do you mean to speak of Stannis attacking Deepwood?

    I hope that scene makes it into season 5. It was probably the most epic on-page fight in the book (ADWD) and would make for a great midseason scene (episode 6ish). Cutting fight scenes from season 5 isn’t very smart considering there aren’t many of them in AFFC and ADWD, and this one was especially great.

  • Hand of the Kingslayer,

    hmmm. but why would Tywin need to do that? I remember that Bronn found Shae for Tyrion by chance. How would someone know this would work if Bronn was involved? Seems more likely that someone got to Shae AFTER she met Tyrion. I might be wrong or missed some things, only read through the books once :)

  • The Kingslayer:
    i read so many D&D interviews and never saw them talking about Stannis? why they hate him so much? they made him completely shit in the show although in books Stannis is BAMF!

    I think the reason Stannis works in any way in the show is thanks to Dillane’s acting and ironically, charisma, which book Stannis is said not to have. I just hope we get triumphant moment in ep.9 with him riding among his troops and swinging his sword as everyone chants his name and not some bullshit, sappy Jon/Ygritte ending with ‘Stannis’ chanting in the distance. That would really piss me off.

  • Greyscale FTW:

    I wonder if they’ll depict Drogon (the alpha male) as significantly larger than R & V? Also, I hope they include the names of the dragons during this season.

    Yes, please! I’d hate to hear the characters refer to them in terms of: the big black one, the cream and gold one or the green one. I suspect naming them at this point is inevitable as they will have more screentime.

    Hand of the Kingslayer,

    YES! Thank you for catching that. I got my action sequences mixed because both involved Asha. I’m sorry to say it but I think they will skip that one.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    oh ok. Can’t wait! Haha, can’t wait for the season to start, AND end!
    /// can someone please travel to the future and bring me back season 4 on blu ray? or better yet, the last 2 books ! ///

  • mal,

    I think there will be no big conspiracy, just Shae becoming heartbroken and realizing Tyrion can benefit so much from his marriage to Sansa, probably also being pissed off about the assumed secret plot to kill Joffrey people think Sansa and Tyrion had and him not saying anything to her and having secrets. That would explain her testify but I wonder how they will explain her being bought/having sex with Tywin since she showed in the series she is not interested in wealth. Perhaps while Tyrion is in jail Tywin will approach her? but that would have to be off screen not to ruin the finale

  • I know are D&D are Tyrion/Peter Dinklage fanboys, every season he gets the most screen time but 70mins in Tyrion’s cell seems excessive.

  • JamesL:
    I know are D&D are Tyrion/Peter Dinklage fanboys, every season he gets the most screen timebut 70mins in Tyrion’s cell seems excessive.

    It really does. We know Podrick,Jaime and Oberyn visit him. Probably Varys as well. Maybe Bronn and even Cersei. But 70 minutes?

  • sati,

    something like that could be what happens. She already thinks Tyrion told Varys to give her diamonds to send her away (if you read that scene like I did). So it’s the misunderstandings somehow that gives Shae doubts or whatever. Yeah, there are some holes in this theory too, depending how you think the trial will play out. Didn’t Shae tell the court Tyrion raped her or something? or forced her to be with him? Seems kinda harsh if they use that in the show. She says some pretty awful things. But I’ll stick with my theory cause it’s so much more fun!

  • JamesL,

    It sounds like a considerable exaggeration to me. He’s only in that cell for 7 episodes, maximum. He also has scenes where he isn’t in his cell. It’s incredibly unlikely that we spend an average of 10 minutes an episode inside his cell, especially when there’s so many other story lines, and Tyrion has to leave it to go to trial.

  • WildSeed: No no, my Catalonian friend, it’s always Haiti for me. No family in Jamaica and i’ve never traveled there. Most have migrated to otherfrench speaking areas of the Caribbean and southern France. I wish I had family in Quebec , I would always have a place to stay there.

    Argh really sorry, wrong island :S

    I’d love to go to Quebec but it would be too cold for me to live in ;)

  • mal,

    We know for certain that the Hound is left for dead at the end of ep2. Because it’s been confirmed by multiple sources that the fight at the inn will be in ep1. And the next scene is the Hound being left for dead. The next scene after that is Arya leaving. So she’ll depart Westeros long before the finale. Also we have footage of a ship arriving at Braavos and the only one who that ship can carry is Arya. Sam’s stuck at Castle Black for the duration of season 4 as the “big battle” will be in ep9 (just look at the title) meaning he’ll have stuff to do at CB in ep10 of this season.

    Brienne leaves on a faraway journey in ep4. That’s been confirmed by the synopsis of that episode as well as the title. Also a passerby happened upon Gwen Christie and the actor playing Podrick (Daniel Portman I think) at the same location a few months back when season 4 was still shooting. so we know she ends up with Pod this season.

    Jorah will most likely be exiled in ep4 or 5. It happens right after the taking of Mereen so somewhere aroudn there. I think Dany’s arc this season is going to close with Quaithe warning her about the plaque.

    That sets things up nice for Tyrion’s arc next season who isn’t going anywhere in season 4 because the duel between The Mountain and The Viper will take place in ep8 (just look at the title) meaning a certain scene at a privy will occur in ep9 at the earliest but probably ep10.

    So all in all I’d say the departures will be througout the season and not all at once in the finale.

  • The Kingslayer: i read so many D&D interviews and never saw them talking about Stannis? why they hate him so much? they made him completely shit in the show although in books Stannis is BAMF!

    I really don’t get this perspective. My friends and I are huge Stannis fans… in the book, but actually much more so in the show. Stephen Dillane’s performance has made me like Stannis at least twice as much as I did in the books.

  • WildSeed,

    Je voulais pas être agressive, je suis désolée si c’est comme ça que tu l’as interprété… J’étais prête à parier que ta langue maternelle était le français, je voulais juste m’en assurer ! :)

  • Winterdark,

    I’ve actually read that they will stretch out Arya and Hound scenes. Multiple sources on this including D & D interviews in which they talk about these two characters. So I don’t think he dies too early in the season. Also, accounts of those who have watched the first 3 episodes doesn’t indicate this either. I don’t think she leaves Westeros that early either. Besides the scenes with the ship captain, does Arya have any other scenes besides those with the Hound? I also hope you’re wrong cause I want more with Arya and the Hound. Anyway, the good thing is we’ll know if a few weeks!!

  • Winterdark,

    I think you are right on Brienne, or mostly so.

    I’m not sure where you got that the Hound is done in episode 2 — just because the Inn is in Episode 1 doesn’t make that true. The picture of the Titan could/likely is for Stannis, and the Braavosi captain in Ep 10 kind of seals Arya.

    I think Bran arrives at the cave, but I don’t think he’s going through the full Weirwood experience.

    Theon doesn’t have nearly enough time to get through his storyline, but more importantly, I can’t imagine D&D adding all this content just to massively change Theon’s ADWD storyline — if they didn’t like it as is, I think they would have killed Theon at the end of season 2.

  • Winterdark:
    mal,

    We know for certain that the Hound is left for dead at the end of ep2. Because it’s been confirmed by multiple sources that the fight at the inn will be in ep1. And the next scene is the Hound being left for dead. The next scene after that is Arya leaving. So she’ll depart Westeros long before the finale. Also we have footage of a ship arriving at Braavos and the only one who that ship can carry is Arya. Sam’s stuck at Castle Black for the duration of season 4 as the “big battle” will be in ep9 (just look at the title) meaning he’ll have stuff to do at CB in ep10 of this season.

    Brienne leaves on a faraway journey in ep4. That’s been confirmed by the synopsis of that episode as well as the title. Also a passerby happened upon Gwen Christie and the actor playing Podrick (Daniel Portman I think) at the same location a few months back when season 4 was still shooting. so we know she ends up with Pod this season.

    Jorah will most likely be exiled in ep4 or 5. It happens right after the taking of Mereen so somewhere aroudn there. I think Dany’s arc this season is going to close with Quaithe warning her about the plaque.

    That sets things up nice for Tyrion’s arc next season who isn’t going anywhere in season 4 because the duel between The Mountain and The Viper will take place in ep8 (just look at the title) meaning a certain scene at a privy will occur in ep9 at the earliest but probably ep10.

    So all in all I’d say the departures will be througout the season and not all at once in the finale.

    I find it really odd that you can see no way that D&D would make minor timing changes to Arya’s storyline but that you think they will completely rewrite Theon’s.

    D&D have talked about Arya and the Hound — it’s going to be more than a scene or two.

    And it’s been confirmed that another character goes to Braavos.

  • Winterdark,

    It is confirmed that the Hound will survive the incident at the inn. Some Knights of the Vale will probably give him is fatal wound in an later episode.

  • Lex: I really don’t get this perspective. My friends and I are huge Stannis fans… in the book, but actually much more so in the show. Stephen Dillane’s performance has made me like Stannis at least twice as much as I did in the books.

    He’s really incredible. That may be my favorite casting in the series.

  • Winterdark,

    The Hound is not going to die in Episode 2. He is mentioned in the synopsis for episode 3 (and Arya and The Hound have a lot more to do together including fight scenes with knights of the vale according to behind the scenes videos

  • There is a picture of Sean bean in Belfast that was making the rounds on twitter recently.

  • Lex,

    Well yes of ofcourse book readers like Stannis. The problem is that many unsullied don’t and see him as “evil” or “boring”. He’s much more of an asswhole in the show. But as much as I like Stannis, unsullied usually bring up the fact that he killed his brother with black magic. I really can’t find a good comeback for that other than saying Renly was out of bounds in claiming kingship in the first place.

  • Turncloak,

    Well, the reality is this is how he is in the books. I didn’t like Stannis at all until the end of ASoS. And he is still a bit of an asshole at the wall, but at least we can be a bit more on board with his agenda. I just think that for right now, Stannis is supposed to be a bit of a stand-offish character just as he was in the books at this point.

  • Lycanthropist,

    Good point but I also think D&D don’t particularly like his actor. They went on the record of stating that he would be a “terrible” king. Also I’m pretty sure they are going to eliminate one of Stannis most badass and fistpump worthy moments. when he allies himself a with the northern mountain men thanks to Jon’s advice and liberate’s Deepwotte Motte from the clutches of Asha Greyjoy. This was a scene that would definitely help Stannis’ cause in the eyes of the unsullied. However, it seems they are doing away with that scene and having Yara get captured by Stannis earlier and preventing her from “saving” her brother. Yet another change that will make Stannis look more like an asswhole/bad guy -_-

  • Turncloak:
    Lex,

    Well yes of ofcourse book readers like Stannis. The problem is that many unsullied don’t and see him as “evil” or “boring”. He’s much more of an asswhole in the show. But as much as I like Stannis, unsullied usually bring up the fact that he killed his brother with black magic. I really can’t find a good comeback for that other than saying Renly was out of bounds in claiming kingship in the first place.

    I still think he’s an asshole in the books. He’s doing the right thing by going North, but he’s still an asshole to me, his entire attitude and sheer joylessness. Even in ADWD it’s clear that he would let a baby be thrown on the bonfire. A lot of my unsullied friends think he’s really stern in the show, a real killjoy, but one who redeemed himself somewhat by walking the walk and actually fighting in the frontlines in Blackwater. He clearly had moral quandaries throughout season 3 as well. Some of my favourite moments were watching him grapple with what he deems to be right but feels wrong. The only real problem my unsullied pals have with him is not his apparent arseholery but with figuring out Melisandre’s motivations. They’re not sure if Stannis is a chump or not, but time will tell, as it did in ASOIAF.

    I guess a great deal of book readers will always see it differently since they’re coming from a place of foreknowledge and, it seems to me, impatience; some of the pro-Stannis guys I see on forums treat the whole thing as though he was a real-world Presidential candidate. Some of the invective (and myths) thrown at D&D and the show is quite silly.

    Turncloak:
    Lycanthropist,

    Good point but I also think D&D don’t particularly like his actor. They went on the record of stating that he would be a “terrible” king. Also I’m pretty sure they are going to eliminate one of Stannis most badass and fistpump worthy moments. when he allies himself a with the northern mountain men thanks to Jon’s advice and liberate’s Deepwotte Motte from the clutches of Asha Greyjoy. This was a scene that would definitely help Stannis’ cause in the eyes of the unsullied. However, it seems they are doing away with that scene and having Yara get captured by Stannis earlier and preventing her from “saving” her brother. Yet another change that will make Stannis look more like an asswhole/bad guy -_-

    He would be terrible to live under compared to Renly, was their point. Structured, but brutally cold. That seems more a statement of fact more than anything. They’ve said they love Dillane and his performance.

  • cosca,

    A large portion of the Fandom views the North as the “good guys”. When we see Someone finally rallying to the cause and liberating the north from the ironborn that gives points to the liberator. Imagine if it were Dany freeing the north from the ironborn. Unsullied would be calling her Jesus and weeping with joy

  • Turncloak,

    That still doesn’t make Stannis more of a bad person if it’s cut. It leaves him exactly the same as he was before.

    But in any case, we have avery little way of knowing how that part will go down. Basically anything could happen with Yara’s story line this season. Saying that it will happen because you believe D&D hate Stannis is pretty flimsy.

  • Valaquen,

    I agree to an extent. Stannis is still sort of an asswhole in the books. I think a large portion of my rooting for him stems from the fact that the field has been reduced dramatically thanks to the red wedding and other character deaths. If you don’t root for Dany to win the throne there are very few options out there. And who doesn’t love rooting for an underdog? That makes me like Stannis even more. The odds seem to be against him.

  • I think the only reason Sullied are so pro-Stannis at the moment is because he is the only one threatening the Greyjoys and the Boltons

  • cosca,

    It doesn’t make Stannis more of a bad person if it’s cut but it would win some unsullied over to his side if it stayed in. I’m very confident that they have cut the deepwood motte segment and will have Yara be captured way earlier on. Maybe it will make Melisandre look like an a-whole instead of Stannis, we will see. Maybe fans won’t care at all if Yara is impeeded by team dragonstone from saving her brother. We will have to wait and see. I do hope we still see Stannis liberating deepwood motte however in the future (whether Yara Is the one holding the keep or not). Loved that scene in the books

  • Turncloak,

    The series seems to be building to the white walkers eventually making their way ever Southward and wiping out much of Westeros only to be saved by the arrival of the dragons, right? It seems like Stannis is a prime candidate for a ‘noble sacrifice’ type death, a last stand in a futile attempt to save Westeros. They can’t just stay confined beyond the Wall forever, and death will follow them. So…

    I don’t know. It’s tough to make predictions for the endgame of this show.

  • Winterdark: Jorah will most likely be exiled in ep4 or 5. It happens right after the taking of Mereen so somewhere aroudn there. I think Dany’s arc this season is going to close with Quaithe warning her about the plaque.

    This sounds reasonable too, and I hope it’s not my agreeing so I may see Quaithe again ( : Also, Jorah needs more than his dutiful persona to hold interest onscreen. It would be brilliant if the Volantene widow gets included, somewhere in S5.

  • Lex: I really don’t get this perspective. My friends and I are huge Stannis fans… in the book, but actually much more so in the show. Stephen Dillane’s performance has made me like Stannis at least twice as much as I did in the books.

    Exactly my thinking, and the same with Davos and Liam

  • Stannissucks,

    Come on i’m sure you are dieing to hear this epic Stannis line too ;]
    His knights will be horsed, ours must fight afoot. His men will be well nourished, ours go into battle with empty bellies. It makes no matter. Ser Stupid, Lord Too-Fat, the Bastard, let them come.

  • Lycanthropist:I think the only reason Sullied are so pro-Stannis at the moment is because he is the only one threatening the Greyjoys and the Boltons

    And because he’s threatening the Lannisters, and because he’s the only one who went to help the Night’s Watch, and because he has the best claim to the throne.

  • More action scenes? Let’s hope that a couple of them involve the Mountain and building that character back up after they botched the casting so badly after season 1.

  • somuchforoldtown,

    To be fair the Mountain only had one line in season 1. But his horse head chopping scene was damned impactful. A shame how he’s reduced to huge version of Ilyn Payne in season 4. Unless they do a voice over during his scenes I don’t expect the mountain to have any lines considering the actor’s very strong accent.

  • Every fucking thread, even if it doesn’t have anything to do with Stannis is a nonstop bitchfest about how D&D hate Stannis, how they’re ruining the great memories of a man who spent half the books grinding his teeth and complaining about how nobody loves him, how pure and good King Stannis is, how his farts cure cancer, how his semen tastes like the finest Dornish red. Jesus Christ already fuck off.

  • Stannissucks,

    Ha! I love how you are letting how other people feel about something affect you. And better yet, you’re letting people you A) don’t know and B) are on the internet affect your emotions. Dan and David don’t hate Stannis but it is clear that they aren’t rooting for him, so some people will interpret that as they are performing character assassination. Trust me, I’m guilty of that from time to time too but this is a a public site where people can share there opinions. You’re just sharing hate and spite towards others. And i will ‘already’ fuck off when I want to haha.

  • To think that D&D don’t like Stephen Dillane, or even worse, that because of that they will make a character he plays less likable is laughable :P

  • pau,

    Yeah, I agree. Why would they display any ill-will towards the actor? Sounds like faulty logic to me. Even if that was the case, that would be very childish to let emotions transfer to the work place.

  • Ughhhhh. I just had a really annoying argument with this girl at the pub where she was saying that game of thrones was sexist. She had only seen 3 episodes and I was trying to explain how it has really string female characters etc but she wasn’t having any of it. Ugh.

  • Lex,

    I like show Stannis as well. He may be different, but I enjoy him as a character, and Dillane’s performance really is top-notch

  • Turncloak,

    You can’t use the Inside the Episode comments David & Dan make to pass judgement on how they feel about a character (and that goes double for the actor or actress playing said character, which was a huge stretch on your part). They are speaking to the story – as it currently stands – directed towards viewers who aren’t familiar with the source material. And the bottom line is, at that time, Stannis would have made a horrible King (I’ll avoid discussing whether that is still true or not).

    They’ve already said very complimentary things about both the character and Dillane in interviews, episode commentaries, and another Inside the Episode feature (for Second Sons in season three).

  • Lex,

    Yeah, Stannis is my favorite character in the books and the show. I don’t understand the hate his portrayal gets. Stephen Dillane kills it.

  • OT:
    I’m happy to report that the review from the NYT only brought the metacritic score for season 4 down by one point. A 94 as it stands. 95 isn’t out of reach, I guess.

  • Lex:
    Stannissucks,

    Not all of us. I’m a Stannis fan, AND I love what D&D have done with him in the show.

    Me too. Much of it is due to the acting, I’m sure. I don’t often agree with his decisions, but the process by which he comes to make those decisions has always been compelling and understandable enough that I might even say I admire the character. He’s got fortitude, has the loyalty of good men like Davos, will listen to counsel, is acting not out of greed but a legitimate belief that Joffrey is a product of incest and therefore not the true King. I think he’s one of the most interesting and nuanced characters, personally.

  • Michelle Fairley won Best Supporting Actress at the Irish Film and Television Awards.

    Liam Cunningham was there to pick up her award.

  • I think that show-Stannis is clearly way more of Melisandre’s lapdog than book Stannis. In s3e10 he spares Davos basically just because Mel says to. In the book, Davos convinces him that he needs to save the kingdoms to win the crown, instead of winning the crown to save the kingdoms.

    Book Stannis rules, show Stannis drools.

  • Sam,

    Book Stannis rules, show Stannis drools.

    Why does everything have to be “the best ever!” or complete garbage? Why does one have to suck and the other has to be great? They can both be good you know, even if you feel one is better than the other. Not to mention that we’ve had far more of Stannis in the books than we’ve had in the show, give it time.

  • Felt Pelt,

    No problem! I’m very impressed by their theories in this video! They are super smart. Even their theories that they are wrong about have significant thought in them

  • somuchforoldtown:
    More action scenes?Let’s hope that a couple of them involve the Mountain and building that character back up after they botched the casting so badly after season 1.

    He’s in a few episodes this season, so you’ll get to see some brutality… There are leaked set photos with him doing “stuff”.

  • Felt Pelt,

    I think it was Dino that saw a video by Comicbookgirl19 that showed the history of the Lannister House. She talked about what happened to Rhaegar’s wife and children. I don’t think it’s a huge deal since the Game of Thrones history and lore videos mention the same exact events. I believe Byron watches the history and lore videos atleast for season 1

  • Edit
    Turncloak,

    Edit Ah, fuck it, i was going to write a long ass post of why this comment is so unfounded and quite frankly stupid, but i wont bother anymore, i am tired with arguing with delusional Stannis fanboys . Believe what you want and whine until the end of time, its not like this is going to hurt me or anything .

  • I think the people saying that Game of Thrones writing is only “pretty good” are being completely ridiculous. The writing on this show is exceptional, some of the best of any show on television. Only incredible bias against the show could make someone think it was only pretty good. It some ways it has been better than the source material and others not so much but it has been consistently excellent. I mean seriously do people actually watch other television?

  • He who shouts “fanboys” the loudest fits the biggest bill.

    Think I stumbled upon that in a fortune cookie somewhere.

  • After The Feast:
    pau,

    Yeah, I agree. Why would they display any ill-will towards the actor? Sounds like faulty logic to me. Even if that was the case, that would be very childish to let emotions transfer to the work place.

    On the Season 3 ep 2 commentary, they even praise how Stephen Dillane brought Stannis characterization into a different direction that have found to be more interesting.
    I never have a sense that the series is partial on any characters.

  • ace,

    3 ep. 3 actually. But yeah, they’ve done nothing but heap praise on what Dillane’s done and Dillane’s made Stannis VERY sympathetic. I prefer show Stannis by miles because he’s Stephen Dillane and not a bald bearded man voiced by Roy Dotrice.

  • Winterdark:
    mal,

    We know for certain that the Hound is left for dead at the end of ep2. Because it’s been confirmed by multiple sources that the fight at the inn will be in ep1. And the next scene is the Hound being left for dead. The next scene after that is Arya leaving. So she’ll depart Westeros long before the finale. Also we have footage of a ship arriving at Braavos and the only one who that ship can carry is Arya. Sam’s stuck at Castle Black for the duration of season 4 as the “big battle” will be in ep9 (just look at the title) meaning he’ll have stuff to do at CB in ep10 of this season.

    Brienne leaves on a faraway journey in ep4. That’s been confirmed by the synopsis of that episode as well as the title. Also a passerby happened upon Gwen Christie and the actor playing Podrick (Daniel Portman I think) at the same location a few months back when season 4 was still shooting. so we know she ends up with Pod this season.

    Jorah will most likely be exiled in ep4 or 5. It happens right after the taking of Mereen so somewhere aroudn there. I think Dany’s arc this season is going to close with Quaithe warning her about the plaque.

    That sets things up nice for Tyrion’s arc next season who isn’t going anywhere in season 4 because the duel between The Mountain and The Viper will take place in ep8 (just look at the title) meaning a certain scene at a privy will occur in ep9 at the earliest but probably ep10.

    So all in all I’d say the departures will be througout the season and not all at once in the finale.

    I saw the first episode and I can confirm that while the inn scene with Arya & The Hound is in the first episode, he is NOT injured when they leave. In fact, he gets a horse for her and they ride off together. I doubt very much the Hound will end up injured in the 2nd episode, but I guess it’s not impossible.

  • cosca:
    Sam,
    Not to mention that we’ve had far more of Stannis in the books than we’ve had in the show, give it time.

    I’ll be interested in the overall impression that folks will have of Stannis after episode 9 this season. It should mirror Blackwater (S2, ep 9) in intensity but it will be Stannis that saves the day this time…on horseback rather than in warships!

    Btw, I’m watching Saturday Night Live on NBC and the GoT trailer was simply awesome. 21 hrs left.

  • Turncloak,

    I just prefer it when they get really close and then go insanely wide of the mark. Knowing histories and copious details makes their predictions less wild.

  • Incidentally, I am watching season 1 again for the first time in a while and completely forgot about the scene in s1e4 between Tyrion and Theon, which they clearly just put in for exposition to try to explain who Theon is. Anyway, Tyrion says “I can still remember the sight of my father’s fleet burning in Lannisport… I believe your uncles were responsible.” Uncles, plural. So that would seem to scotch the theory I see people batting around that they are going to combine the two into one character.

  • Stannis was decently portrayed up until season 3 episode 10 that’s when they fucked everything up for me deciding to kill gendry after 1 leech and having Mel be the reason he went north and spared davos was a poor choice IMO.

  • Aldi_A:
    Stannis was decently portrayed up until season 3 episode 10 that’s when they fucked everything upfor me deciding to kill gendry after 1 leech and having Mel be the reason he went north and spared davos was a poor choice IMO.

    I can’t disagree there….but at least Davos gave Stannis & Mel his key argument, which saved his life and birthed the idea of saving the nation then becoming king, rather than becoming king then saving the nation. Even if Mel does have more influence over him in the show, Stannis was prepared to sacrifice Edric in the books before Davos helped him escape. As others have stated on here in the past, the net effect of the Edric & Gendry stories is similar.

    Edit: Oh, and tonight’s SNL is totally ripping on GRRM regarding his writing speed and 1000s of characters…goofy.

  • To be honest, I’ve never gotten the appeal of Book Stannis. I find his show counterpart to be much more interesting and, if not sympathetic, at least more human.

  • Aldi_A,

    Well, Gendry is not Edric. Stannis knew Edric and was close to him for his entire life. Gendry was an unknown bastard whose mother was lowborn(unlike Edric). The fact that he was willing to burn him after 1 king died instead of all 3 is inconsequential, IMO. He was willing to burn Edric and that is all that matters.

    As for Mel having too much influence on his decisions, this is a legit critique. While she clearly has a significant input on his decisions in the books, I wish show Stannis would take more authority. Hopefully he recognizes Davos’ influence on heading North in the show at some point.

  • John M W,

    I think he has some of the best quotes in the entire book series and I find his unintentional humor hilarious. I can’t say I liked him or had a ton of interest in his character until he landed at the Wall, though. Now he is one of my 5 or 6 favorite characters.

  • Greyscale FTW:
    Benioff said: “Think about the skull Arya hides in during season one — that’s supposed to be a full-sized dragon. And our dragons are still not even close to that. By the time we get to the end, season seven, that’s where they have to get to — assuming they survive.

    (emphasis mine) Assuming they survive? Now that’s interesting.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I find Stannis hilarious in the books and the show. Davos: “I’m sorry about your brother, your Grace. I wanted to let you know that people grieve for him.” Stannis: “Fools love a fool.” So good.

  • Daniellica,

    Hmmm

    Aldi_A,

    Oh my! So true! And how dare they make Gendry a full grown man instead of a helpless and naive little boy! Stannis only sacrifices little boys in the books, what is with this blackwashing?! And you are so correct- how ONE scene can screw up a whole character! And everyone who’s saying that Davos took less time to be convinced by Davos in the books- oh my god! Where did you read that deleted scene?! In my book, the chapter cut away before any real conversation took place! And look here, in season 2 Stannis listened to Davos and sends Melisandre away from Blackwater- such heresy! Stannis was supposed to be her bitch then- such blackwashing! And wow- how come show fans hate Stannis when book fans that read ADWD love him?! I mean, he was still extremely unlikable in the first half of ASOS where the show is at and his finest moments are yet to come, but that’s no excuse!

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Idk you may be right about the first part I just found the whole two is not three passage showed his true struggle over the decision unlike what we got in the show.

    Stannis gave a snort of laughter. “He has you there, my lady. Two is not three.”
    “To be sure, Your Grace. One king might die by chance, even two . . . but three? if Joffrey should die in the midst of all his power, surrounded by his armies and his Kingsguard, would not that show the power of the Lord at work?”
    “It might.” The king spoke as if he grudged each word.

  • I love Stephen Dillane’s Stannis, even of he is more sympathetic and likable than his book counterpart. I have been looking forward for a long time to see Stephen Dillane with Kit Harington, and also Kit with Carice van Houten. I believe the meeting the former two happens off page in the books. I hope we see it happen on screen. And I can’t wait for Unsullied reactions.

  • Stark Raving Mad: (emphasis mine) Assuming they survive? Now that’s interesting.

    Definitely….aren’t they coy? There will be plenty of opportunity for a dragon or two not making it to Westeros in TWoW. In the recently published TP&tQ, it demonstrated several ways for men to overwhelm and kill large dragons, and these dragons aren’t that large….yet.

    R & V are the chaotic factors in the Battle of Meereen. Without riders, I can’t imagine R & V taking any side in the battle…hence, they will be targeted by all and probably will attack randomly if provoked by anybody (or are hungry) without Dany around. The new Tyrion chapter that was recently released (in the app) states that both dragons are flying around during the battle, burning ships and catching corpses being flung by the Yunkai trebuchets into Meereen…pretty crazy. But can they withstand a full-scale assault and discern enemies?

    We’ve got the “3-headed dragon” prophesy that predicts 3 dragons to be ridden (or rule)…will GRRM allow that prophesy to come true? Ya gotta wonder.

  • Aldi_A,

    I was expecting that too. My guess is they wanted to end Stannis’s arc in S3 with more forward momentum. If you end it with “1 is not 3″ then non-readers think “uuufff, he’s just gonna be stuck in Dragonstone next year too”.

  • KG,

    Have you got multiple personality disorder too? :D
    On Topic: today, I watch Mhysa, tomorrow Two Swords!

  • Be wary of spoilers tomorrow Unsullied. There be contraband about!

    (If you have an asshole “friend” who tells you about shows because they either saw it before you could watch the DVR or by some means got them early, just ignore them till after the episodes airs.)

    Thanks Obama

  • Oh Dear. Even after reading substantive interviews like the above some of the commenteers on here still come up with their own conspiracy theories. I wish they would stop.
    There will be seven seasons – not eight, nine or fifteen. The show runners clearly state that as well as declaring the middle of season four as being the beginning of the end. That is a fact. Live with it.
    The show has cut/changed some of my favourite scenes from the books but has also included some scenes that are an absolute improvement. They haven’t ruined anything for me as I can walk over to my bookshelf and relive those scenes any time I wish. Fact.
    AFFC, ADWD and the beginning of TWOW will be dealt with in series five. Fact.
    After this point the show will no longer be an adaptation – there is nothing to adapt. Fact.
    Everyone should just sit back and enjoy the show for what it is – brilliant, ground breaking television. Enough of the whining.
    I long for the day, after season five, when the sullied and unsullied can all be as one and we can all use this site as it was intended to be.

  • zerowolf: I long for the day, after season five, when the sullied and unsullied can all be as one and we can all use this site as it was intended to be.

    Yup. I started reading the books back in 2006, but I can’t wait to watch the TV show as an Unsullied. It must be a thrilling experience.

    In D&D (and Cogman) I trust.

  • FINAL GOT REWATCH REPORT:

    After having rewatched the controversial Stannis scene in Mhysa- there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Stannis only heeded Melisandre’s advice with regards to breaking his word and keeping Davos alive, Davos already sold him on going North. And it didn’t even take much convincing. I don’t think it was out of character, and if it was it’s by a slim margin. Get over it, StanStans.

    And the “Mhysa” scene was also fine. The episode was okay, great even at times, it was just disappointing as a finale.

    Can you smell the dragon poo? Season 4 is coming. Tonight at 4 am, live. Hells yeah.

  • Ser Osis of Liver,

    Totally agree, the whole “more action scenes than in the books” concerns me too.
    I really don’t want to see them sacrifice character development for more action scenes.

  • Off-topic, but would anyone be so kind as to point me in the direction of interviews with D&D where they discuss the logistical reasoning behind there only being ten episodes per season?

  • Lol at that last question with people trying to fish out what they want in most roundabout way the can imagine

  • Hard Truths:
    Davos: “I’m sorry about your brother, your Grace. I wanted to let you know that people grieve for him.” Stannis: “Fools love a fool.” So good.

    One of my personal favourite lines.

  • Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Paulette,

    WHAT!!?? That’s just dumb! This season should be more fastpaced than the previous one! Not slower!

    I will say that I was mistaken about The Hound’s death though. I was referring to the bit about him in the synopsis of ep3. Not ep2. But still. How the hell do they plan to have Arya and the Hound around for the entire season? It’s only one bloody chapter in the whole ruddy book!

    This really angers me. I think this will be about as collossal a mistake as when they decided to beef up Dany’s arc in ACOC and ended up with the only utterly terrible storyline thus far.

    Also: wtf? Stannis in Braavos? He should got to the bloody wall not flippin Braavos.

    Seriously if they still want to close down the show in 3 years from now they’d better speed things up. not slow them down.

  • Hand of the Kingslayer,

    Exactly. And people don’t cite Stannis’s face when he said “Why am I going to need you?” enough as a beautiful point in their bromance. He’s so willing to find a reason to spare him! Say all you will about him compromising his rigidity for Mel, he does it much more for his true love, Dave. Hehheheheheheheheh.

  • zerowolf,

    Actually, George has showed hundreds of pages of the winds of winter. So yeah, they may actually dont need to make that part up.

  • Enjoyed the interview.

    Sam,

    I don’t have a strong opinion one way or the other on the possibility of combining Theon’s uncles, but that line won’t impact whether they choose to combine them or not. On the show Balon mentions Theon’s brothers being killed during his rebellion, it’d be simple enough for them to say only one uncle survived the war (if they even thought it needed to be mentioned). I imagine most show-only fans won’t recall that line and even if they do, given how dangerous that world is, they’d probably assume something similar.

  • D&D hate Stannis, and that is why they made him a badass during Blackwater, instead of having him sit at the rear or whatever like an idiot, as in the books. They also made him burn people alive, a kinslayer, a religious freak, and a jerk to his daughter, unlike in the books. Oh, and D&D also hate the actor who plays Stannis, but they had to hire him because he was blackmailing them with nude photos.

    Thank the Seven for iswintercoming?

  • Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp:
    D&D hate Stannis, and that is why they made him a badass during Blackwater, instead of having him sit at the rear or whatever like an idiot, as in the books. They also made him burn people alive, a kinslayer a religious freak, and a jerk to his daughter, unlike in the books. Oh, and D&D also hate the actor who plays Stannis, but they had to hire him because he was blackmailing them with nude photos.

    Thank the Seven for iswintercoming?

    I hated that they had him storm in like an idiot at Blackwater Bay. He looked like a complete fool.

  • Chríss: I hated that they had him storm in like an idiot at Blackwater Bay. He looked like a complete fool.

    Yes, it is better when he grinds his teeth and sends Davod to the dungeons for the 34th time. Much more fascinating television. Tony Soprano who?

  • Chríss: I hated that they had him storm in like an idiot at Blackwater Bay. He looked like a complete fool.

    You can’t kill the Messiah

  • Has there been any word on whether Balon is killed onscreen in the first few episodes? Or maybe it’s mentioned that he has died? I figured they’d get it in before Joffrey, considering the leeches.

  • Could anyone please remind me if we see anyone else in Westeros (in King’s Landing, on the Iron Islands) in season 3 receiving and ignoring the letters from the Wall? Because I don’t think it happened.
    I guess, emphasizing the point how Stannis was the only one who didn’t turn his back to the ‘crows’ and to what was happening by the Wall in the first 1-2 episodes this year would help to redeem him in the eyes of those who didn’t like him that much before. I’m not his big fan but that what was happening to me when I was reading the books.

  • Reading the comments on Maureen’s NYT article exposed me to fantasy genre stigma. Just wow – the hate against fantasy? What’s wrong with escapism into a world that isn’t ours? It’s like they’re concerned the world population will suddenly become inapplicable and delusional.

  • Oh no, hours from now is when we get another craptacular season of this show where Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum butcher all the great work of GRRM’s novels. Is it too late to catch that missing plane that’s on the news a lot? Oh crap I better go, I hear the GoT fanboys fuming.

  • The Purist,

    Linda is that you, westeros.org and your blog is not enough for you to act like a child, so you do the same here under anonimity ? Pretty pathetic if you ask me .

  • OT, isn’t it weird that HBO hasn’t updated their website to include this season’s cast and first episode previews?

  • Wow. I can’t believe I have never commented before. But today is a fantastic day to do so because I NEED TO GET SOME OF THE EXCITEMENT OUT OF MY BODY OR ELSE I WILL GIVE BIRTH TO A SMOKE BABY OR BURN DOWN MY HOUSE WITH WILDFIRE.

  • Stannissucks, Good man. Funny how Stannis fanboys immediately bust a nut when the truth emerges. Stannis is a lesser version of Tywin, nothing more.

  • John M W:
    To be honest, I’ve never gotten the appeal of Book Stannis. I find his show counterpart to be much more interesting and, if not sympathetic, at least more human.

    I really only liked Stannis because he was the main threat of the Lannisters, then he was the only one to respond to the Night’s Watch’s call for help.

  • Did anybody notice Dave and Dan mention season 5 without any qualifiers about HBO green lighting?

  • Josla: Oh wow, nice article but the commenters ripped her appart for liking the show… and President Obama as well. Sigh…

    People who rip apart others simply for having different taste always crack me up.

  • Boojam,

    It’s pretty much guaranteed to be be green-lighted, most likely in the next few days. I suppose they just got bored of saying technically correct but practically irrelevant comments.

    Also, Stannis has not been that well written on the show imo. Stephen Dillane’s acting is excellent but his character’s interactions with Melisandre are different from my interpretation from reading the book. That’s not to say it’s wrong – many of these scenes weren’t in the book, but I do think it is less compelling than it could have been.

  • Leo:
    Reading the comments on Maureen’s NYT article exposed me to fantasy genre stigma.Just wow – the hate against fantasy?What’s wrong with escapism into a world that isn’t ours?It’s like they’re concerned the world population will suddenly become inapplicable and delusional.

    Is that ur first time? Bless you, sweet summer child. As an English major in college (many, many years ago) I was exposed to this bias in an official capacity when my Modern American Lit prof refused to accept a thesis from me for a paper discussing the merits of sf/fantasy as a modern literary genre. Heinlein was apparently not good enough for him. Grrrr. Man, I hated that guy. Self-absorbed and shallow people with little to no imagination. Thanks to this show, perhaps things are taking a step forward.

    Gotta go chill my beer glasses and get ready to watch. Just a few more hours and I can break radio silence on episode 1!

  • “Emilia [Clarke] has done a lot of really impressive work this year and things take a darker turn for her. We’re going to see how she deals with a kind of adversity that’s more troublesome than in the past. She’s facing problems that can’t be solved with armies or dragons. Emilia has to go to some places where she hasn’t gone before with this character, and she’s done them so powerfully and seemingly effortlessly that I think people are going to be moved by the results.”

    Can’t wait. Emilia gets a lot of hate here so I hope this season she gets even better

  • Arthur:
    I just woke up and feel like a kid on Christmas Day!

    Under 14 hours to go!

    Me too!!! I have the marathon playing on HBO all day, and have some people coming over this afternoon to grill out in anticipation of the thrones premiere. So pumped.

    Sent from my iRaven

  • iRaven,

    OMG I’m sitting here with my gf watching the HBO marathon too!!!

    I got to clean a little and about around 1-2 people will start coming over…

    It’s a little to cold to grill out (live in CT), but it’s a beautiful sunny day.

    GoT for me ever since the middle of season 1 equals the start of springtime and GoT viewing parties. =]

  • Ashara D: Is that ur first time? Bless you, sweet summer child. As an English major in college (many, many years ago) I was exposed to this bias in an official capacity when my Modern American Lit prof refused to accept a thesis from me for a paper discussing the merits of sf/fantasy as a modern literary genre. Heinlein was apparently not good enough for him. Grrrr. Man, I hated that guy. Self-absorbed and shallow people with little to no imagination. Thanks to this show, perhaps things are taking a step forward.

    Gotta go chill my beer glasses and get ready to watch. Just a few more hours and I can break radio silence on episode 1!

    That’s a real shame. A girl in my university class is doing her dissertation on ASOIAF and its relation to medieval and Old English literature. Our lecturer seemed thrilled. There are other snobs who snort at the idea of popular literature like Harry Potter and such, though.

  • Ana-Stasia,

    I think they had Tyrion read Mormont’s letter to the small council early in season 2, and they ignored it. Oddly enough, Ser Alliser never did seem to make it down to KL with the zombie hand.

  • Arthur,

    Totally agree. It’s going to be about 60 and sunny here in Illinois. About 8-9 people coming over same time as you around 1-2, have some homemade beer, venison (Baratheon) burgers ready to grill, and my Tyrion (p)imp shirt rockin. Thrones season is upon us!

    Sent from my iRaven.

  • Wildling firestarter: “Mance, Mance, I’ve lit the fire. Now what?” Well you’ll have to wait and see @GameOfThrones pic.twitter.com/HqfjMB3aZH

  • Gewa76, you’re right. It happened early Season 2. Tyrion was the only one who supported them and everyone else on the Small Council poked fun at the request. Stannis only came to learn about it because Davos discovered the letter during one of his practice reading sessions.

    Like or loathe Stannis, he did the right thing (no matter his reasons). Then again, we’re talking Stannis, of course he does the right thing (and not a bit more). Very precise, is Stannis.

  • IAGREESTANNISSUCKS:
    Stannissucks, Good man. Funny how Stannis fanboys immediately bust a nut when the truth emerges. Stannis is a lesser version of Tywin, nothing more.

    Busting a nut implies that Stannis fans receive sexual gratification. I don’t quite understand how that term fits with what u said lol

  • iRaven,

    OMG!!! LOL…

    Good to know my family and friends aren’t the only GoT Geeks. (Well I know a lot of co-workers who also have GoT parties).

    Yup, I will be wearing my “The North Remembers” shirt… And I am sure there will be many more GoT shirts on in my household pretty soon.

    It is so funny because its like football Sundays in April, we all sport our team colors!

  • Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp: Yes, it is better when he grinds his teeth and sends Davod to the dungeons for the 34th time. Much more fascinating television. Tony Soprano who?

    Are you genuinely suggesting we just throw the internal logic of the show away so we can have shots if Stannis looking cool? Screw it then: he can have Melisandre cook some crystal over her fire, get his army back together and remind us he’s the one who knocks. Because cool!

  • Chickenduck,
    Chickenduck….have you heard from Hodor’s Bastard ? He and Darquemode appear to have disappeared…. completely. I’m not here frequently as once before.

    In regards to spoken language…
    really, where is there some area of the world where linguistically ,the language is pure ? Yes, Kreyol is quite native African/ Francais / native indigenous Haitienne ( probably some Spanish too ). European francais is taught in primary, so many whom attend are fluent, not so much in the lesser developed areas or non school attendees.

    Traveling a bit , throughout the world, I’ve rarely met several persons within the same country that spoke the same words ( not regional dialect ). Romance languages have repeatedly evolved including repropriation of terms. Now if only I can figure out ” Spanglish ” , LOL ! I’m not at all fluent, but my late aunt from the Dominican Republic had no clue when it was spoken by a friend and I visiting family there.

    Anyway, enjoy the premiere tonight. Hold your wife’s hand if she cringes through the grisly stuff ( :

  • Family, Duty, Hodor: Also, Stannis has not been that well written on the show imo. Stephen Dillane’s acting is excellent but his character’s interactions with Melisandre are different from my interpretation from reading the book. That’s not to say it’s wrong – many of these scenes weren’t in the book, but I do think it is less compelling than it could have been.

    ) : I’m in full agreement with this. It’s a challenge to keep an open mind, but I will.

  • I’m thinking some of the additional action will involve Arya and the Hound. They’ve got a pairing of fan favorites and they can write some additional adventure into their travels without screwing up any story arcs. Besides the chance meeting at a certain inn, my guess is Sandor gets to be a bit more heroic and Arya works on her water dancing.