Game of Thrones renewed for seasons five and six!
By Ours is the Fury on in News.

hbo-logoIncredible news, everyone! The fourth season of Game of Thrones debuted with record ratings on Sunday night, and so a renewal was only a matter of time.

However, we’ve just learned that HBO has renewed the series for seasons five and six!

The official press release from HBO announces:

HBO RENEWS GAME OF THRONES FOR FIFTH AND SIXTH SEASONS

Season Four Debut Scores Highest Viewership Yet

            LOS ANGELES, April 8, 2014 – HBO has renewed GAME OF THRONES for a fifth and sixth season, it was announced today by Michael Lombardo, president, HBO Programming.

“GAME OF THRONES is a phenomenon like no other,” noted Lombardo. “David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, along with their talented collaborators, continue to surpass themselves, and we look forward to more of their dazzling storytelling.”

   Based on the bestselling fantasy book series by George R.R. Martin, GAME OF THRONES is an epic story of treachery and nobility set on the continent of Westeros, where summers and winters can last years, and only the lust for power is eternal. The Emmy®- and Golden Globe-winning series launched its ten-episode fourth season Sunday, April 6 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT), exclusively on HBO, with other episodes debuting subsequent Sundays at the same time.

Cast regulars for the fourth season of GAME OF THRONES include: Emmy® and Golden Globe winner Peter Dinklage, Nikolaj Coster-Waldau, Lena Headey, Emilia Clarke, Charles Dance, Aidan Gillen, Jack Gleeson, Kit Harington, Diana Rigg, Sophie Turner, Maisie Williams, Isaac Hempstead Wright, Alfie Allen, Jerome Flynn, Conleth Hill, John Bradley, Gwendoline Christie, Liam Cunningham, Stephen Dillane, Natalie Dormer, Iain Glen, Kristofer Hivju, Sibel Kekilli, Rose Leslie, Rory McCann, Michael McElhatton, Iwan Rheonand Carice van Houten.

Among the early critical praise for the fourth season, the Los Angeles Times called GAME OF THRONES “the Best Television Show Ever,” adding that “no other series comes close,” and “television just doesn’t get any better than this,” while Newsday hailed the series as “still TV’s best,” awarding the show an A+. The Hollywood Reporterobserved, “The consistency of excellence in GAME OF THRONES is truly something to behold,” and the San Francisco Chronicle described it as “great and addictive.”

The season four premiere of GAME OF THRONES on Sunday, April 6 (9:00-10:00 p.m. ET/PT) was watched by an average of 6.6 million viewers, making it HBO’s most-watched program since the finale of “The Sopranos” in 2007 (11.9 million viewers). The premiere improved 52% over last season’s premiere and 23% over last season’s finale. GAME OF THRONES added an additional 1.6 million viewers from the 11:00 p.m. and1:00 a.m. replays, for a gross audience of 8.2 million viewers for the night. Season three of the series had an average gross audience of 14.4 million viewers per episode.

Season four credits: The executive producers of GAME OF THRONES are David Benioff, D.B. Weiss, Carolyn Strauss, Frank Doelger and Bernadette Caulfield; co-executive producers, Guymon Casady, Vince Gerardis and George R.R. Martin; producers, Chris Newman and Greg Spence.

Ours is the Fury: WOW. Season five was a foregone conclusion. But season six confirmed already. Just…yes! This is fantastic news, and confirms what a powerhouse the series is.


412 Comments

  1. Muppy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    How awesome! Great news.

  2. Illuminatus
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Dear George R. R. Martin: “Valar Keyboardis” — All men must type.

  3. Greenjones
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:22 pm | Permalink

    Hot damn!

  4. John
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm | Permalink

    “Good news everyone!”

    And next season please confirmation of season 7 and(!) 8! :)

  5. cantuse
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    The gauntlet has been thrown George!

  6. Mark Agius
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:24 pm | Permalink

    Another 20 episodes of hopefully great storytelling guaranteed! Or maybe even more!

  7. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    Phenomenal. So proud to be a part of this fandom.

  8. WompWomp
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    This is creamworthy news. [raises glass of 2%]

  9. Summer is Coming
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:25 pm | Permalink

    HOLY MOTHER OF DRAGONS!!! Talking about surprises… If GRRM will announce Winds to be published soon my heart will explode!

    I wonder if 5 and 6 will be affc/adwd?

  10. BlackTalon
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Somebody at HBO seems to be impressed!

  11. Doritos
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Two seasons in a row? I wonder how they’re going to find enough content for season 6.

  12. armsbendback
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if this allows them to start divvying up writing and planning responsibilities and begin to work conceptually on season 6 even as they finish episode writing for season 5. perhaps this now also opens the door for an extended season 5 or 6? 12 or 13 episodes? Or even a split season 6 with 16 eps like the final BB season or the recent TWD seasons?

    In any event, congrats to all involved!

  13. Sword of the Morning
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    For season 5 to be as good as seasons 3 and (hopefully) 4, D&D will need to finish off the events of Feast and Dance in that season.

    Season 5 will need to end with Dany riding Drogon out of the pit, Jon’s stabbing, and winter coming for Pycelle and Kevan Lannister. Then Season 6 can focus entirely on Winds and 7 on Dream. Winds might come out before Season 6 airs, but the TV season will be scripted before the book’s release. And Season 7 will air years before its book comes out.

  14. Ross
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    Renewal unsurprising but two seasons at once is a surprise – great stuff!

  15. Shaldun
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm | Permalink

    What a surprise ! Cool news though ! They haven’t said how many episode by season, I would love to see 12 or 13 for season 5 to adapt AFFC/ADWD fully without rushing it too much

  16. Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    I’m happy to see a future TV show cult classic in the making.

    Thanks HBO, thanks GRRM, thanks TPTB. Thanks whoever does the amazing casting.

    In D&D we trust!

  17. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    Double renewal?? Wooohoo!

    I mean, not that there was ever any doubt, but double renewal?!?

  18. Koen Stark
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    TWO seasons renewal??!! Just wow. HBO is usually not that quick to do that.

  19. King DBC
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Oh. My. God. Best news ever!

  20. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Tim Curry for Doran!

  21. Bran The Builder
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    The power of Fandom be praised…

  22. The Kingslayer
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    season 5- ADOD with maybe some TWOW
    season 6- TWOW and TDOS, because they want to end the show in 7 seasons
    it means show will have different ending than the books. no way GRRM could finish the series in 2017. this is so sad(

  23. Sinfyre
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Great!! better start the casting process for Daario #3! lol

  24. AnneMarie Bowman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:30 pm | Permalink

    Just saw this news on hitfix….and literally started crying I’m so happy!

  25. JamesL
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    This is good news but what is the point of renewing it for season 6 now instead of waiting until season 5 airs? Is it just HBO showing a sign of confidence in the show?

  26. Veltigar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    To quote Uma Thurman: ‘what did you expect?’ :D nice that they confirmed season 6.

    Charlie: My doctor said we can’t choose where we come from but we can choose where we go from there. I know it’s not all the answers but it was enough to start putting these pieces together and I knew I had to cast Mads Mikkelsen as Euron.

  27. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:32 pm | Permalink

    this means no gap, and no AFFC/DWD crap!

  28. Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    JamesL:
    This is good news but what is the point of renewing it for season 6 now instead of waiting until season 5 airs?Is it just HBO showing a sign of confidence in the show?

    Confidence yes, but also logistics reasons such as in advance casting, location scouting, hiring stuff etc.

  29. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:37 pm | Permalink

    Before the pilot was released, we fans were just hoping it would make it to a Season 3 before getting cancelled.

    Game of Thrones is now the top show on HBO, television’s #1 franchise in the so called “Golden Age of Television”, has become a pop culture phenomenon world-wide in a way that very few American television shows have ever been (because it’s simply NOT set in America), comedians impersonate GRRM on SNL and lampoon him on Letterman and The Tonight Show monologues. And, here’s the kicker — the audience laughs because they get the joke.

    4 Years ago, nobody but fantasy novel fans would have had a clue who GRRM was – let alone appreciate what the jokes were all about.

    If anybody had predicted this level of mainstream pop-culture success and achievement before the series was ever shown, nobody could have reasonably believed it.

    This is a grand-slam home run, simply FAR beyond all reasonable expectations. Off the charts.

  30. Taena
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Woohoo!! Awesome news :D

    Sinfyre:
    Great!! better start the casting process for Daario #3! lol

    Lol :D

  31. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Well said. I can’t get over how surreal it all is. I remember 4 years ago, having a hard time believing that the general TV viewing public would ever know who “Ned Stark” was!

  32. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    This is such an exciting time! I’m so happy! I mean who even thought getting into this show that it’d even have a season 6? and now it’s confirmed

    I hereby promise I will not worry about the future of this show until season 6

    Also, was Nikolaj’s name ahead of Lena’s in the credits last year?

  33. TonyGen
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    What a surprise ! Cool news though ! They haven’t said how many episode by season, I would love to see 12 or 13 for season 5 to adapt AFFC/ADWD fully without rushing it too much

    D&D have said over and over it is THEM not HBO that only wants 10 episodes. That they literally cannot handle anymore. That doesn’t seem like it is ever going to change because they have mentioned that completing Season 4 was the hardest challenge they have had so far.

  34. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Maybe this move by HBO is indirectly saying something about GRRM’s positive progress of TWoW? Maybe we’ll have Winter in early, rather than late, 2015? I assume D&D will get a manuscript draft of most of TWoW by Jan/Feb 2015 for S6 planning. Fingers-crossed.

  35. Hard Truths
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    Awesome! Wasn’t expecting a 2 season renewal.

    Anyone else really excited to see them enter unchartered territory? I think it’s going to be pretty sweet when book readers and show only watchers are on the same footing. I think we are going to see TWOW material on the show before the book is released.

  36. Clob
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:43 pm | Permalink

    SWEET! Start renewing those contracts! Gotta keep those important actors.

  37. cantuse
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    I am frankly amazed at the amount cultural penetration ASOIAF has had. You can quote it almost anywhere online or in person and people get it. References to Westeros abound.

    It’s become a cultural touchstone.

  38. HouseMartellBitches
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    This is the most fucking awesome news all week. This and Smash Bros news all in one day has gotta be the much awesome for the world to handle.

    This puts us into TWOW territory! Get writing George!

    And thanks for the vote of confidence HBO!!!

  39. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    So Say We All.

    My exposure to this song was its series pilot, but I still feel the victory. You people rock.

  40. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    This is such awesome news! I think that, with the recent interviews D&D have done concerning how to approach the next season in lieu of the situation with the novels, it made logistical sense to simply approve them for an additional two seasons. This gives the writers and the production team that extra level of assurance, and allows them to plan ahead with a certainty that is more than just unspoken – it’s written in ‘stone’.

  41. Tatters
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:46 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    And soon HBO will reveal one season for each book. That would be really funny.

  42. Tatters
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    TonyGen,

    And season has the most action so far, even without the added one. If D&D are resourceful enough, they can film double and write more.

  43. Shaldun
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    TonyGen: approach the next season in lieu of the situation with the novels,

    I know that but they could still add 2 or 3 episodes and just delay the season of a few months. They can take the True Blood spot in Summer with its end this year.

  44. Summer is Coming
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:52 pm | Permalink

    Let’s start fan casting! I’m sooo excited!!
    Euron – Mads Mikkelsen or Jason Isaacs
    Victarion – Ray Stevenson
    Doran – Ben Kingsley
    Arianne – some unknown actress please; we need the unknowns!
    Randyl Tarly – Peter Mullan
    Griff – Damien Lewis
    Young Griff – Me

    Shaldun, or Boardwalk’s spot in Autumn… the most important thing is for them to start shooting in winter… because Winter must Come! eventually. Everything is still very sunny and warm.

  45. 14ccKemiskt
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:54 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic news, of course

    I presume they will lay out the story lines as follows:
    Season 5: Stannis!
    Season 6: Stannis!!!

  46. The Loon
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:55 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Doran is kind of fat no? got his crazy swollen ankles and knees cuz of his gout Kingsley strikes me as a bit too slight, plus he’s got to be slightly close to Oberyn’s age seeing as how they’re brothers

  47. matt s
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I wonder if this means they decided to aim for 8 seasons and combine Feast and Dance into two seasons instead of 1. The writers would probably want the assurance of having both seasons approved before adapting them that way…

  48. d1gitals3rf
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    HBO appears very eager to lock in crew, actors…and a certain author who has to build tracks so the train can keep running.

    Come on George, tWoW by Summer 2015 and aDoS by end of 2017, you can do it!

  49. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:00 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    I think Doran should be an unknown, just about every person I see fan casting him says a different person, but they all look wrong to me. There can’t be many famous hispanic/Mediterranean looking bloated/square faced actors with a sad but kind demeanor out there
    Yet the pool of unknown brilliant hispanic actors is huge

    if he’s cast at all that is…

  50. Summer is Coming
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:02 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    In the books there is 10 year difference between Doran and Oberyn. Oberyn in the show I think is the same age as Cersei and Jaime, 40. Kinglsey can pull a 50 years old. plus, Doran is sick so the disease might age him up so it’s all fine. Age is the least of our problem.. Let us have Ben Kinglsey, and then worry about age :))

    House Mormont,

    The best example being Pedro Pascal! He’s a relatively unknown and look what a great Oberyn he is. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing new faces all around. I did that fan casting just for fun.

  51. Ryan
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    His gout, not his gut…:-)

  52. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:06 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    In my humble opinion they should do it like this if WoW isn’t released before season 5:
    Sam: end with Aemon’s death. Jon: the deal with Tormund. This is because, Jon stabbing would be a too big of a cliffhanger and I doubt they could keep Jon hidden from set photos and promos if he is indeed resurrected. Dany: penultimate episode would be the Daznak’s Pit scene, and the season finale the “Dragonstone” scene. Jaime: takes Riverrun. Cersei: Walk of Shame. Kevan: assassination. Tyrion: escapes slavery. Stannis: takes the Dreadfort/Deepwood Motte from Yara. Davos: sent to Skagos. JonCon: takes Griffin’s Roost. Arianne: learns who she was suppose to marry. Victarion: learns how to “bind” the dragonhorn. Sansa: Littlefinger tells her his plan to marry her to Harry. Bran: eats weirwood paste(a light season with important flashbacks) Arya: becomes blind. Theon: blackmailed by the washerwomen. Barristan: captures Hizdahr. Quentyn: releases the dragons.
    I think they’ll need to cut certain characters (Areo, Arys, Aeron, Taena, some Sand Snakes…) and make the season 12 or 13 episodes long. If they do that then they can make season 6 of the rest of the DwD and FfC material plus about 25%-33% of WoW. Season 7= rest of WoW Season 8= a longer than 10 episodes maybe a Breaking Bad style final season of DoS. The talk of 7 seasons is folly in my opinion. It would be like making LotR into two movies. At the end of the day the show is most likely going to get more viewers every season and HBO will choose 8 seasons over 7 if an option is presented.

  53. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:07 pm | Permalink

    YES! DID NOT EXPECT!
    SOMEONE HAS TO MAKE THIS INTO A GIF:
    http://youtu.be/lr29ACMeYoI?t=2m44s

  54. The Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    This means the saga will be completed. There is no way GoT will go 6 seasons and then be cancelled before the logical conclusion.

    This means that D&D have only more contract renewal left and that will determine the true length of the series.

  55. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    Hear, hear! I’d like to thank HBO, the Academy, the Seven, the Weirwood, the old Gods and the new, R’hllor, the Red God, the Drown God, help me peeps, who did I forget to thank? :lol:

  56. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:12 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark,

    The Great Shepherd! Mirri Maz Duur will curse you

  57. ShadowStalker
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    Could the reason for the renewal of 2 seasons now be so that HBO can now focus on renewing the actors contracts? For what D&D are now saying will be a the final 7th Season?

    Because if they have greenlit the show this far… if it ends in 7, HBO is pretty much handcuffed into making it regardless. The show would have to have a historic crash in terms of viewership in the next 2 seasons for that not to be a possibility.

  58. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:13 pm | Permalink

    I think that Mark Margolis would be a great Doran Martell.

  59. Nick_Scryer
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Fucking amazing news!

  60. Arriba
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    I’ve always pictured Doran similar to Ian McShane

  61. Mike Chair
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:15 pm | Permalink

    Mark Agius: Or maybe even more!

    armsbendback: 12 or 13 episodes?

    Shaldun: they could still add 2 or 3 episodes

    Silver of Wyman: I think they’ll need to cut certain characters … and make the season 12 or 13 episodes long.

    THIRTEEN!!!

  62. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    matt s,

    This is what I was wondering. I don’t think they’re going to be able to streamline those two books as much as people think. If we’re getting both Dorne and Iron Islands, which I think we are, I think the best they’ll be able to do is 1.5 seasons for those two books. The only characters we’re really delving into Feast and Dance this season, I think, are Dany, Brienne, Bran, and Theon/Ashayara. Based on news and stuff it seems a lot of the major players will end with ASOS this year.
    I think 7 seasons is very ambitious, streamlinging-wise, I just don’t see it being any less than 8.

  63. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Tim Curry can mimic a great Spanish accent.

    Don’t get strung out by the way he looks, don’t judge a book by its cover.

  64. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    Arriba,

    In my mind Doran always looks very soft and frail. McShane looks more like an older Oberyn to me.

  65. Nezzer
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:18 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Summer is Coming,

    I think Doran should be an unknown, just about every person I see fan casting him says a different person, but they all look wrong to me. There can’t be many famous hispanic/Mediterranean looking bloated/square faced actors with a sad but kind demeanor out there
    Yet the pool of unknown brilliant hispanic actors is huge

    if he’s cast at all that is…

    I want Doran to be an an unknown so that I can see the character when I see the actor, not the other way around. I want him to be “the actor that plays Doran” instead of something like “Brad Pitt’s character”. That’s my problem with big names, they always play themselves to some extent and never really become the characters. That’s why I don’t want big names in the show (yeah, not even Mads Mikkelsen, sorry guys).

  66. KG
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Excellent news.

  67. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:22 pm | Permalink

    Good news but at this stage HBO should just give D & D their wish and renew it for three seasons. Game of Thrones will be printing HBO money in Blu Ray and DVD sales alone for decades to come.

  68. Dorne tootin
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:24 pm | Permalink

    Illuminatus:
    Dear George R. R. Martin: “Valar Keyboardis” — All men must type.

    T-shirt pls! That’s awesome.

  69. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    I think people hoping for Seasons 5+6 for AFFC/ADWD and 13-episode orders on top of that are… well, wrong, frankly. By a couple of episodes into 6 I predict most storylines will have left those two books behind, with a few exceptions, and it’ll mostly be TWOW mode. Also, it’s gonna be ten episodes a year, at least until Season 7 if (and likely when) that proves the final act, at which point maybe two sets of 7 or something will transpire.

  70. The Loon
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Ryan,

    ha but his gout forces him to stay seated pretty much all day which I thought led to weight gain since he can’t exactly exercise or move around at all

  71. John W
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    So does this make GoT the only fantasy show to reach this many seasons? Almost everything else I can think of is either Sci-Fi (Star Trek, Doctor Who) or Horror (Buffy, Tales From The Crypt, X-Files).

  72. Johan Sporre
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    Great news, but I don’t think it makes much of a difference for the creative team.

  73. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:28 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    I think it’ll all be clearer when season 4 has finished.

  74. cantuse
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Pardon my language, but Jesus Christ, Peter Mullan for Randyll is brilliant!

  75. Shaldun
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer: I want Doran to be an an unknown so that I can see the character when I see the actor, not the other way around. I want him to be “the actor that plays Doran” instead of something like “Brad Pitt’s character”. That’s my problem with big names, they always play themselves to some extent and never really become the characters. That’s why I don’t want big names in the show (yeah, not even Mads Mikkelsen, sorry guys).

    I mostly don’t want Mikkelsen because it would mean that Hannibal would have been canceled and I don’t want that

  76. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:30 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman,

    Maybe. That’ll give us an idea of how far along everyone has come, but mind you I concur with you relatively few arcs will be in full-on AFFC/ADWD territory then.

  77. wizardeyes
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:31 pm | Permalink

    Wow excellent news! Was expecting season 5 to be confirmed but not season 6 as well!
    HBO is officially throwing down the gauntlet. Your move GrrM !! Best get writing!
    I’m fascinated to see how they do season 5. There are good and bad omens for season 5 but I am confident it will be great.

  78. queenofthorns
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    This is interesting. It makes me wonder whether D&D don’t plan to film some of Season 5 and season 6 concurrently (like The Lord of the Rings). It would make sense given some of the material.

  79. Grynthaline
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Here’s to hoping we get a seasons 7 AND 8 renewal after season 6… Because everyone knows 7 is just not enough, despite the excuses about the lore themes (7-faced god, 7 kingdoms etc… sorry, D&D, but no)

  80. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Victarion Greyjoy – Ray Stevenson
    Euron Greyjoy – James Purefoy
    Jon Connington – Kevin McKidd or Damian Lewis
    Doran Martell – F Murry Abraham
    Arianne Martell – Some unknown exotic goddess
    Randyll Tarly – Brian Cox

  81. queenofthorns
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    The Kingslayer:
    it means show will have different ending than the books.

    It certainly doesn’t mean that. D&D are going to show us George’s ending (in terms of character fates).

  82. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:37 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Jen@House Stark,

    The Great Shepherd! Mirri Maz Duur will curse you

    Thank you, HM, I was remiss and stand, er, sit corrected.

  83. Khal-A-Bunga
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    Fan-casting is always fun, so…

    Euron Greyjoy – Lars Mikkelsen
    Victarion Greyjoy – Ray Stevenson

    Doran Martell – Alexander Siddig
    Arianne Martell – Freida Pinto
    Tyene Sand – Tamzin Merchant
    Quentyn Martell – unknown

    Jon Connington – Kevin McKidd
    Young Griff – unknown

    Randyll Tarly – Alan Dale
    High Sparrow – John Hurt
    Wyman Manderly – Ian McNiece
    Kindly Man – Ian McShane
    Waif – unknown

  84. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    I know Sean Bean and Charles Dance did such awful jobs disappearing into the characters….

  85. Greenjones
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:39 pm | Permalink
  86. kyle
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:39 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths:
    Awesome! Wasn’t expecting a 2 season renewal.

    Anyone else really excited to see them enter unchartered territory? I think it’s going to be pretty sweet when book readers and show only watchers are on the same footing. I think we are going to see TWOW material on the show before the book is released.

    I’m right there with you. Bring on the uncharted waters!! I’m ready for unsullied status.

  87. Ryan
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    Haha yeah I knew what you meant, was a fair point. I just amuse myself sometimes:-)

  88. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Shaldun,

    Personally I think that Mikkelsen would be too much of a Littlefinger like schemer. When I think Euron I think of adjectives like: manipulating, ambitious, hedonist and ruthless. so my personal choice would be James Purefoy.

    Also about a certain episode of season 4. Episode 7 is called Mockingbird which obviously refers to Littlefinger. However it could also be a reference to Euron’s nickname Crow’s Eye and his habit of mocking. So we might expect Balon to fall off the bridge in episode 7 followed by a shot of the Silence sailing into Pyke “fingers crossed”.

  89. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    The Loon,

    I always wondered where people got that “Doran is fat” thing from. I imagined him as uber skinny.

    Here, from the wiki: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/7/7e/Mathia_Arkoniel_DoranM.jpg

  90. Robwind resurrected
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    Sinfyre,

    Funny. Don’t forget mountain#4. (Minus a head)

  91. Tatters
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    queenofthorns,

    That is my hope.
    It is not like they don’t have the capable talent or production.
    Season 5 April 2015, season 6 August 2015.

  92. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Leo DiCaprio as Waif!

  93. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Such great news! Not surprising though.

    Dance party! http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/tyrion-lannister

  94. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:44 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning: Season 5 will need to end with Dany riding Drogon out of the pit, Jon’s stabbing, and winter coming for Pycelle and Kevan Lannister.

    This is pretty much about right.

    Ye Olde Wolfe:
    matt s,

    This is what I was wondering. I don’t think they’re going to be able to streamline those two books as much as people think. If we’re getting both Dorne and Iron Islands, which I think we are, I think the best they’ll be able to do is 1.5 seasons for those two books. The only characters we’re really delving into Feast and Dance this season, I think, are Dany, Brienne, Bran, and Theon/Ashayara. Based on news and stuff it seems a lot of the major players will end with ASOS this year.
    I think 7 seasons is very ambitious, streamlinging-wise, I just don’t see it being any less than 8.

    Putting Dany/Brienne/Bran/Theon and to some extent Sansa well into AFfC actually moves a lot into Season 4. And creates plenty of room for Season 5 to handle the bulk of the two books. All I’d reserve for Season 6, then, is the Barristan/Shavepate coup d’etat in Meereen, Tyrion joining the Second Sons, Quentyn getting torched, and Young Griff landing in Storm’s End. That can all be held back. And for the first time since Season 1, Episode 9 won’t be either A) a major battle or B) a slaughter. I’d make it very similar to Baelor, ending with Cersei’s walk of shame, which will be amazing stuff. That actually satisfies the idea of making the 2 books into 1.5 seasons – 1 is Season 5, .25 of that is Season 4, .25 of that Season 6.

  95. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:46 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    The Loon,

    I always wondered where people got that “Doran is fat” thing from. I imagined him as uber skinny.

    Here, from the wiki: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/7/7e/Mathia_Arkoniel_DoranM.jpg

    Probably cause some people associate gout with obesity like King Henry VIII

  96. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:47 pm | Permalink

    Dominic West as Euron!

  97. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    If we’re not going to get a well-known type like Ben Kingsley for Doran, or even Alexander Siddig, there’s always the possibility of Irfann Khan, though his look is very contemporary.

  98. GeekFurious
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:50 pm | Permalink

    And next year they will renew it for a 7th and 8th. :)

  99. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:51 pm | Permalink

    Taylor Swift for Wyman Manderly!

  100. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:52 pm | Permalink
  101. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Taylor Swift for Wyman Manderly!

    I hope your back is doing ok.

  102. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:53 pm | Permalink

    Jeff O’Connor,

    What frightens me the most are the Boltons. We have seen a lot of Roose and Ramsay clips in the previews and Michael McElhatton himself has said that they’re going to Winterfell this season.

  103. HouseMartellBitches
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:55 pm | Permalink

    Rygar,

    Hell no, Ben Kingsley or I riot!!!

  104. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:57 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    Thanks so much. Fucking love those two. Such a small, unappreciated and genius moment! Will surely be useful in Reddit

  105. zod
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 3:58 pm | Permalink

    They’ll need to portray winter soon enough in the show… so maybe the two seasons renewal has something to do with a new filming schedule or something?

  106. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Taylor Swift for Wyman Manderly!

    Warwick Davis in drag as Taylor Swift in a fat suit as Wyman Manderly

  107. Crabber's Son
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    Edward James Olmos for Doran
    Ray Stevenson for Victarion
    Ian Mcshane for Aeron
    Rufus Sewell for Euron

  108. The Rabbit
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Steel_Wind,

    Well said. I can’t get over how surreal it all is. I remember 4 years ago, having a hard time believing that the general TV viewing public would ever know who “Ned Stark” was!

    Yeah, surreal is the word comes to mind at once. As far as I recall. the decision on the first green light was on the edge. In fact everything before S1 was on the edge. I ve never believed that show would be such a big, massive thing.
    I did not even dare to dream on scenario which obviously became reality.
    woo-hoo!

  109. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:02 pm | Permalink

    HouseMartellBitches:
    Rygar,

    Hell no, Ben Kingsley or I riot!!!

    I’ll riot with ya.

  110. Shaldun
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman:
    Jeff O’Connor,

    What frightens me the most are the Boltons. We have seen a lot of Roose and Ramsay clips in the previews and Michael McElhatton himself has said that they’re going to Winterfell this season.

    I think we could have the battle of Winterfell in the end of S5. It is logic to not do the two battles in season 6 from a budget perspective, it will serve as a climax for S5. Dany’s storyline as already a climax with the Pit and the tension for the upcoming battle with the fate of Dany Barristan Tyrion should suffice as the cliffhanger of this side.

  111. Theon's Favorite Toy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    This is brilliant news.

    I cannot wait to see how well they streamline the next two books. I do not think I could handle it if they cut Dorne and the Iron Islands. We need a kingsmoot, and Darkstar!

    Good news is there is a lot from those books that can be cut to make room. Tyrion, Dany, Brienne do next to nothing for pages on end. And things like Quentyn’s travels can go (just introduce him already in Meereen)

    I am not apprehensive about the next few seasons of the show any longer, with news that they plan on steaming full speed ahead. It would have made for excruciatingly dull viewing if they took a Hobbit approach to those books.

  112. The Loon
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I just always assumed that he’s been chair/bedridden because of his gout so he’d be fat…I may have just applied the description of his swollen legs to the rest of him

    and I don’t mean like King Robert fat, but definitely doughy

  113. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Unknown for Doran, fuck you all!

  114. MUGger
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:07 pm | Permalink

    Illuminatus,

    LOL!

    However, I have a theory, and this announcement ties into it: GRRM is not just working on WoW, but writing to the end right now (he works on a character-by-character basis, writing several chapters for one character at a time).

    The release of both of the final two books will be timed to keep the show promoted and to generate excitement regarding upcoming seasons. So – WoW gets released to maximize Season 6 (maybe before or at the same time as Season 6 reaches the material from the books), and the same happens for Season 7 with aDoS.

  115. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:10 pm | Permalink

    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Ian McNiece was my pick for Wyman for a long time, but then I started to think how awesome Brian Blessed would be. Brian certainly looks more like a Northerner, but I think McNeice would be great aswell, and he kinda deserves it more for being almost cast since he was so close to being Illyrio. So I’m pretty sure that McNeice will be Wyman since they have done this before (Iwan Rheon (the guy who plays Ramsay) was almost Jon Snow and Anton Lesser (the guy who plays Qyburn) was almost Luwin).

  116. Hard Truths
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious,

    I’m hoping we get 8 full seasons, but I’m thinking an extended season 7 is more likely. From what I’ve read, all the season 1 actors have 6 year contracts plus a fixed option, so the posturing for 7 seasons is probably HBO trying to avoid re-negotiating with everyone.

  117. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Tybee Diskin for a sand snake. Don’t care which one.

  118. Nezzer
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    CM Punk,

    I didn’t really know them before GoT. Sean Bean’s only role I remembered was Boromir, and I never paid much attention to him. I don’t remember seeing Charles Dance before GoT.

  119. Silver of Wyman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:14 pm | Permalink

    Shaldun,

    Seems like it. Fingers crossed that George gets WoW out before season 5 then.

  120. tysnow
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:15 pm | Permalink

    Well one things for sure, since the actors contracts were locked in for six season, their agents are probably salivating concerning the future. HBO did this so they have breathing room with the upcoming negotiations. I foresee eight seasons, HBO won’t want GoT to overstay its welcome, but one extra season won’t harm the grand vision, after all D&D have mentioned possibly eight, even though the number seven is bandied about more.

    I am looking forward to a D&E series or mini-series. Their tales are set during the pinnacle of the Targ Dynasty. Robert’s Rebellion decades later would annihilate the flower of Westerosean knighthood and the kingdoms, ladies and knights are now a shade of their former glory from earlier eras. I know each of the three tales would only be a two-part mini-series. but didn’t GRRM give HBO the rights to all things Westeros, so HBO can adapt to their creative hearts content.

  121. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Dominic West as Euron!

    To modify something I said back when people wanted Dominic West for Mance, I only want Dominic West as Euron if we can get Wendell Pierce as Victarion.

    Come sunset, as the sea turned black as ink and the swollen sun tinted the sky a deep and bloody red, Victarion came back on deck. He was naked from the waist up, his left arm blood to the elbow. As his crew gathered, whispering and trading glances, he raised a charred and blackened hand. Wisps of dark smoke rose from his fingers as he pointed at the maester.

    “That one….see that motherfucker over there? Cut his fuckin’ throat and throw him in the fuckin’ sea, and the winds will favor us all the way to Meereen. You happy now, bitch?”

  122. Lady
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    This news should guarantee “The best pie you have ever tasted, my lords”.

    That could be quite epic to see on TV.

  123. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:19 pm | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman:
    Khal-A-Bunga,

    Ian McNiece was my pick for Wyman for a long time, but then I started to think how awesome Brian Blessed would be. Brian certainly looks more like a Northerner, but I think McNeice would be great aswell, and he kinda deserves it more for being almost cast since he was so close to being Illyrio. So I’m pretty sure that McNeice will be Wyman since they have done this before (Iwan Rheon (the guy who plays Ramsay) was almost Jon Snow and Anton Lesser (the guy who plays Qyburn) was almost Luwin).

    I see what you’re saying on McNiece, but I’d LOVE Brian Blessed as Manderly. He’s just so goddamned awesome. Why have McNiece when you can have a GIANT HAM.

  124. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Rygar: Warwick Davis in drag as Taylor Swift in a fat suit as Wyman Manderly

    Kirstie Alley warging Warwick Davis in drag as Taylor Swift in a fat suit as Wyman Manderly!

  125. Lady
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Charles Dance is in the greatest Schwarzenegger movie ever….

    …wait for it…

    Last Action Hero!

  126. KG
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:21 pm | Permalink

    Just found out that Jason Momoa will be a guest at the Motor City Comic Con.

    WIN! Finally, someone from the cast noticed that big mitten waving a friendly “hi” on the map.

  127. Fez
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:24 pm | Permalink

    tysnow,

    HBO contracts aren’t six seasons, they’re seven (although the seventh is a strange sort of option year where I think the actors get paid more); which is one of the main reasons why some people were talking about seven seasons as the maximum well before HBO or D&D started commenting on the topic

  128. Rygar
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger: Kirstie Alley warging Warwick Davis in drag as Taylor Swift in a fat suit as Wyman Manderly!

    Perfect. But then we wouldn’t need the fat suit now would we?

  129. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    Right, so I’ve decided to pull the necessary castings for season 4 from my layout and put them in a list. If tagged with a (*) it means they are cuttable. This is also assuming that Dorne and the Iron Islands make it in, which they may not:

    Doran
    Tyene
    Obara
    Arianne
    Quentyn*
    Aerys
    Areo*
    Darkstar*
    (if he is important later on he can survive the cut)

    Euron
    Victarion*

    Daerion* (can be replaced by Pyp, but has been name dropped a couple of times)
    Bowen Marsh? Is that him in the premiere like everyone says? His role can be given to other existing characters at the Wall

    Young Griff
    Griff
    Moccorro
    The Tattered Prince/Brown Ben Plumm
    (or any sellsword/slaver really)

    The Green Grace*
    The Shavepate*
    (these two will only appear if theories about them are correct)

    The Kindly Man
    The Waif*
    (probably won’t make it unless Dorne/the Iron Islands are cut)

    Justin Massey* (can be cut unless he’s important- which he seems at this point)
    Mountain Clan leader/any Northern Lord
    Lady Barbrey Dustin
    (I’m very positive about this one)
    Lord Wyman Manderly
    Fake Arya Stark
    (the lack of set up and hints here is disturbing, but the season has only just begun)

    Randyl Tarly* (can easily be cut, he hasn’t done anything big yet)

    Many one off, unnamed extras everywhere

    Probably cut:
    -Aeron
    -Penny
    -the rest of the people that are with the Griffs replaced by Varys?
    -the pale mare (as much as streams of bloody diarrhea are good in the books, on the screen it would be disgusting)
    -the Karstarks (there is simply no time, and it’s far from important)

    Delayed till season 6:
    -Sarella
    -the Grand Maesters
    -Pate the pig boy/his replacement
    -Khal Jaqo and Mago

    I’m not sure if I’m missing anything.

  130. Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:27 pm | Permalink

    Wow, this looks like fun. My seven cents…

    Victarion Greyjoy – Rihanna
    Euron Greyjoy – Katy Perry
    Arianne Martell – Kim Kardashian

    someone already mentioned Taylor Swift for Manderlay

    Jon Connington – Will Smith
    Young Griff – his son The Karate Kid

    Doran Martell – John Travolta
    Quentyn Martell – Chris Brown
    Kindly Man – Lindsey Lohan
    High Sparrow – Oprah

    …or else I riot!

  131. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Shaldun,

    This. And you pretty much HAVE to include the battle at Winterfell if you are going to have Jon’s stabbing in the finale (the Pink Letter kind of relies on the battle). This is not like the book. You can’t just jump around in the chronology like that.

  132. purplejilly
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:29 pm | Permalink

    Six seasons and a movie!! Wooohooo!!

    Enjoying the start of Season Four. I think it was polished and well-done. It avoided the ‘clip show’ feel I’ve had in other years, when they jumped around too quickly. Everything felt seamless and well-done. And now, two more years to look forward to. Wow. Hurray!

  133. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Here ya go! http://wp.me/pYORZ-14d

    There is an animated GIF without sound (which you can reference directly in its own window at http://drangedinaz.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/got_afewmoregirls.gif) and an mp4 with sound, direct link to its own window is (http://videos.videopress.com/sMakKGyJ/got_afewmoregirls1_std.mp4)

    Feel free to take and use but do me a solid and credit my blog.

  134. Helen Tran
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Hurray!!!

    I’m really interested in how they’ll adapt the series after Season 4 – this could be a chance to mash Feast for Crows and Dance with Dragons together, as if they were one “book” as they should have been.

  135. gewa76
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:33 pm | Permalink

    Peter Mensah for Brown Ben Plumm

  136. Rafael
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:34 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic news!

    I just wonder about the amount of pressure that D & D will face. Especially now when they won’t have strict source material to follow anymore. I hope for the best but fear for the worst.

  137. Gatehouse ami
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:37 pm | Permalink

    I would love to see Rufus Sewell in the show! He would be amazing as Euron.

  138. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:38 pm | Permalink

    KG:
    Just found out that Jason Momoa will be a guest at the Motor City Comic Con.

    WIN! Finally, someone from the cast noticed that big mitten waving a friendly “hi” on the map.

    Pack your bags, we are going!!

  139. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Thank yee. Will always be open in a tab

  140. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    Full-on double renewal!!! WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN?!!!!!!!

    It means hell fuckin yeah! And I bet we’re gettin more Dorne and Iron Islands!

    Who said Olmos for Doran? I like it.

    jentario,

    Dude. Randyll Tarly WILL NOT be cut!

  141. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:39 pm | Permalink

    You people got it all wrong, this means there will be no AFFC filler crap in the TV show.

    In David and Dan we trust to cut out the filler crap.

    And that Crogman guy too.

  142. Phil
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    #9seasonsandamovie :p

    Morena Baccarin is always how I picture Arianne.

  143. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    No, you are wrong. This means absolutely nothing. Except that season 6 is already confirmed.

  144. Udi
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    Illuminatus,

    :) :) :)

  145. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:42 pm | Permalink

    Phil,

    HELL NO. Hate her in Homeland. And she’s too old.

  146. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:44 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    No, you are wrong. This means absolutely nothing. Except that season 6 is already confirmed.

    Yea 2 more seasons out of target 7 seasons.

    There will be no AFFC crap in the TV show if they want season 7 to happen.

  147. Tabes
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:45 pm | Permalink

    Dominic West for Euron!!!! I’m in, he’d be great!!!!

  148. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    Olmos (with some extra weight on him) was always how I pictured Doran. He’d be perfect not only because of his physical likeness (in my head at least) but also because the character is incredibly calm and patient while still having a lot of scheming going on in his head. Olmos can play that personality to a T.

  149. Lady
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:46 pm | Permalink

    John Rhys-Davies for Wyman.

    Love that guy.

  150. Dave
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Fantastic news about two new seasons. I’m loving the casting suggestions(I also sort of saw Kingsley as Doran), but the one thing I’m not worried about, is that whoever is cast in these parts, whether well-known or just solid actors, they will be excellent, and they’ll just work.

    When you get to Season Five, have a bowl of Brown for me.

  151. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    That still has nothing to do with the renewal of two seasons. And they will totally cut the unnecessary crap in AFFC and ADWD, but Dorne and the Iron Islands aren’t unnecessary crap. Will they make it? Who knows- not me, not you. Can they make it? Yes, there is enough screentime for it. Especially if they extend the last season, which they are probably thinking about.

  152. Isabelle
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm | Permalink

    This week just keeps getting better and better!!!!

  153. Udi
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Sword of the Morning,

    This… but one of the problems is – the Tv show follows chronological events, unlike the books. So it is not a season per book deal and not having the last book out (which is 90% going to be the case) will pose serious issues. It looks like D&D will have to create it all based on what George tells them and when the final books come out they will be very different (for good and for bad).
    Still – this is great news!

  154. Hard Truths
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:51 pm | Permalink

    Hizdadfs zo Fazlofp,

    That would be the cast of Michael Bay Presents: Game of Thrones.

  155. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    There are some great moments in AFFC, that I for one, would very much like to see. How could you not want more, rather than less? (within reason). Especially given how strong this opener was. They are getting better at the adaptation, and people have shown there is clearly an interest in an expanding world of rich characters and deeper, more intricate storylines.
    I have a feeling you drive a bitchin camaro. Am I right?

  156. Boojam
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    HBO is odd!
    Even David and Dan had given up the ruse of pretending they were waiting for the 5 green-light.
    Man if season 5 is going to be a bear to write, GRRM better have WoW out or season 6 is going to get a little crazy.

  157. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:53 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Ech. Disagree.
    We need someone with a sad yet kind face, he isn’t supposed to be fat (not that that’s a dealbreaker, but the books never said he’s fat) and he is supposed to look a bit similar to Oberyn. Now, can we cut it with wanting to cast big names for this show? Some of the best actors on it were unknowns before GOT.

  158. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    You cut the most important sand snake (apparently). The one who’ll sit at the council in King’s Landing.

  159. mariamb
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:55 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I think Obara is also on the cutting board and that Ellaria will assume the role of Nymeria and take the seat on the small council. It would be a shame not to expand Indira Varma’s presence.

    Aerys, Daeron and Justin Massey can be cut and hopefully Darkstar as well.

    Hope to see Lady Dustin as well.

  160. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink
  161. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:57 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I agree. How can you not like Edward James Olmos? Somehow, despite his lack of urgency and poor decisions, Doran always won me over. Maybe I just feel bad for him. I prefer Kingsley as a villain, though I realize he can do it all.

    In the end, they may just go with somebody unknown, as seems to be the MO for the show.

  162. Hard Truths
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    Karl Pilkington for Moonboy!

  163. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    Arys is needed for the Myrcella plot, and for sexy time (which HBO is fond of) and character development for Arianne. He’s not really that big a character, too. He’d be in what, two episodes? Why cut him?

  164. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Hi-Fi,

    Nymeria is too similar to Talissa (essentially the same looks and background). I think her role in King’s Landing will be combined into Tyene’s character, which is set to infiltrate the Faith in King’s Landing anyway. Or the role can be given to Ellaria, who could use an expanded plot.

  165. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:00 pm | Permalink

    Patrick Allen for Quentyn Martell!!

  166. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:01 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    There are some great moments in AFFC, that I for one, would very much like to see.How could you not want more, rather than less? (within reason).Especially given how strong this opener was.They are getting better at the adaptation, and people have shown there is clearly an interest in an expanding world of rich characters and deeper, more intricate storylines.
    I have a feeling you drive a bitchin camaro.Am I right?

    i say skip it and let Crogman use GRMMs WOW tips to write a better storyline.

  167. Lady
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Fun police are here…our speculations need to have boundaries.

  168. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Lady,

    Oh shit. I was a bit of a buzzkill there wasn’t I? Aunt Lou for Doran!

  169. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:04 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Did you mean Cogman, or Crannogman?

  170. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:05 pm | Permalink

    The whole AFFC/DWD books have 4 TV episodes of worth in them.

  171. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Doran – yes
    Tyene – yes
    Obara – yes
    Arianne – yes
    Quentyn* – probably correct. he’s loseable.
    Aerys – A one-episode wonder.
    Areo* – Not important as anything more than a guard. Doesn’t need it.
    Darkstar* (if he is important later on he can survive the cut) – Agreed.

    Euron – Yep
    Victarion* – I think you have to have him.

    Daerion* (can be replaced by Pyp, but has been name dropped a couple of times) — He’s indeed been namedropped. Its not hard to cast some asshole and have him go with Sam, continue to act like a jerkoff, and then Arya kills him.
    Bowen Marsh? Is that him in the premiere like everyone says? His role can be given to other existing characters at the Wall — That is him. We’ll have to see if Brian Fortune is given more to do, but yes, that is him.

    Young Griff – yep
    Griff – yep
    Moqorro — (corrected spelling) – but yes, you gotta have him.
    The Tattered Prince/Brown Ben Plumm (or any sellsword/slaver really) — Yes.

    The Green Grace* – She can go perhaps. As can the Shavepate, unless as you say, theories are correct. Even more so, if you want, cast the Shavepate and give him the physical attributes of Strong Belwas and have him eat the locusts.
    The Shavepate* (these two will only appear if theories about them are correct)

    The Kindly Man – Yes.
    The Waif* (probably won’t make it unless Dorne/the Iron Islands are cut) – I think the Waif gets chopped.

    Justin Massey* (can be cut unless he’s important- which he seems at this point)
    Mountain Clan leader/any Northern Lord – Meh, not important.
    Lady Barbrey Dustin (I’m very positive about this one) — I think she can go.
    Lord Wyman Manderly - BRIAN BLESSED!
    Fake Arya Stark (the lack of set up and hints here is disturbing, but the season has only just begun) — It doesn’t need much set-up. Ramsey can pick out a tavern wench and say he found her, and nobody knows different.

    Randyl Tarly* (can easily be cut, he hasn’t done anything big yet) – One never knows. But he’s been name-dropped so much that you kind of want to keep him.

    Many one off, unnamed extras everywhere

    Probably cut:
    -Aeron
    -Penny – I think you dump her.
    -the rest of the people that are with the Griffs replaced by Varys? — Agreed.
    -the pale mare (as much as streams of bloody diarrhea are good in the books, on the screen it would be disgusting) – Gone.
    -the Karstarks (there is simply no time, and it’s far from important) – Gone.

    Delayed till season 6:
    -Sarella – Yes.
    -the Grand Maesters – Yes.
    -Pate the pig boy/his replacement – No, that should go. It’s enough to know and recall Jaqen as a face-shifter.
    -Khal Jaqo and Mago – Mago is already dead on the show. Random other Khal is good enough.

    You’re missing the High Sparrow, who should be kept, along with Septon Meribald and the Quiet Isle’s Elder Brother.

  172. KG
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark,

    You know it.

  173. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Agreed. And a sizable chunk of those 4 episodes is Dorne and the Iron Islands. Add 90% of ADWD and you’ve got yourself a season.

  174. 3waywithCersei
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:07 pm | Permalink

    Somehow it just now hit me that fantasy is going mainstream. Feels strangely moving, here’s hoping for the future success for the genre after GoT.

  175. Tatters
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Why not call in to HBO, im sure they will listen to you.

  176. HouseMartellBitches
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Nezzer,

    I’d seen Sean in three movies that I can recall offhand, plus many more.

    -The Field (death by cows)
    -Goldeneye (survives 100 ft fall only to die by a few million pounds of metal falling and then exploding on top of him)
    -LOTR (Sean Bean manages to be one of only 2 heroes [that you actually know the names of] who dies in movies chock full of great British actors)
    -I think he got killed by a shark once

    Despite all this, I didn’t have any problem seeing him as Ned Stark, and never got pulled out of the show while watching it. Sadly, I wikied Ned, never suspecting. Casting made a lot of sense in hindsight, but despite all previous experience I never suspected anything, despite the fact that the guy is a walking spoiler.

    I knew of Mark Addy and Lena Headey well, long before I even learned of GoT, and at no time was I distracted by my knowledge of them in other (somewhat large) roles. Same goes for Charles Dance and Diana Rigg. At what point does people knowing they were already Names become a distraction?

    And let’s not forget Peter Dinklage, who had already earned the Season 1 “And” billing in my book, but at no point did I see Trumpkin or Liz Lemon’s boyfriend when he played Tyrion. (Though his current look is 1000 times far and away better than how he looked in episode 1, same with his stardom.)

    Gravitas and prestige do matter, especially with a role like Doran. Ben Kingsley has those in spades. The time commitment isn’t huge, he’d be a massive draw (especially for the five people who still look down on this show [eww, fantasy]), he’s walking Emmy bait, which is free promotion, and most importantly, he’s got the much needed gravitas to nail the role.

    Seriously, the guy would get an Emmy just for being on TV, and you know Doran is the type of role that brings the Emmy material already, just waiting to be delivered. Hell, this show would add “We have an Academy Award winning actor” to its list of accomplishments.

    Age doesn’t really matter. I’d make anyone wish they were Theon in Season 3 if they tried to recast Arya, and Maisie will likely finish up being around 20 and playing a character between 11-13, and it won’t bother me one bit. Doran just has to be older than Oberyn, which Kingsley is; tricks of the trade can take care of the rest. If they cast Ben Kingsley, I wouldn’t care how old be looks. They can use the gout to explain anything like that. If you think this show has prestige now, just wait. If somebody as big as Kingsley were in it, my grandparents would even watch!

    I’ve got nothing against unknowns (just look at Oberyn and the kids), but Doran, perhaps even more so than Tywin, like Ned before him, has to be a Name. The gravitas and respect have to be instant. Despite not seeing him for four seasons, we have to like and respect this character instantly, and unlike Oberyn, he isn’t (openly) showy. Plus, the unsullied have to care about/remember him; they have to WANT to get back to Dorne, and Kingsley solves any problem in that regard instantly.

    Added to which, his role likely goes through the roof in TWOW/ADOS. He’s the Tywin of the endgame, and you can’t have just any old dude play that. It’s gotta be Kingsley!!!!!!!

    This show now has the budget to do it, and has already achieved greatness. Ben Kingsley would put it through the stratosphere, and make an already epic show massively more so.

    Ben Kinglsey for Doran or I riot!

  177. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:09 pm | Permalink

    Brian Cogman for Val !

  178. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:11 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy:
    The whole AFFC/DWD books have 4 TV episodes of worth in them.

    Are you suggesting that AFFC be trimmed, or cut entirely? I’ve seen you say that “all” of AFFC is “crap” and that it should not be included in the show…..
    To be clear, I think it is obvious they will trim it down. Nobody is suggesting that “all” of the book will make the cut, but it is ridiculous to suggest that none of the book should make it.

  179. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:12 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    First of all: SPOILER TAGS!
    Second of all: yes, I totally forgot the High Sparrow. The Elder Brother would be a (*), since only GRRM and D&D know how important he is. Meribald’s role will hopefully be given to Thoros after Brienne meets Stoneheart in season 4

  180. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    De nada!

  181. Carne
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:17 pm | Permalink

    Wyman Manderly: Ian McNeice
    Victarion Greyjoy: Ray Stevenson
    Randyll Tarly: Graham McTavish/Peter Mullan

  182. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Tatters:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Why not call in to HBO, im sure they will listen to you.

    No need. Im 100% confident that D&D and Crogman are well aware of that 2 books whitch are a prime example of what writers block looks like cannot be made into a satisfying Tv show not at the standard so far.

    Not if they dont want to make GOT into Xena(Arya) warrior pincess “trash” type of series.

  183. otia dant vitia
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:21 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    His name is Cogman, and you are disrespectful

  184. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:22 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I understand your point about not wanting famous actors and I agree they can take a viewer out of the show sometimes. I still think that Olmos has a fantastic ability to portray infuriating calmness, patience over cunning which is Doran in an nutshell.

    In regards to the weight, I (and many others) pictured him as being heavy set (not obese) because he can’t move around very much and we know that his legs are very swollen (which could make a person look overweight, even in he isn’t really overweight).

    In regards to looking like Oberyn, I disagree that they don’t look alike. Besides coloring, they both have high cheekbones, same dimples, strong jaw line….look them up side by side…seriously, he could absolutely be the older brother.

    In the end, if they can find a good actor, known or unknown for the part, I’ll be thrilled. So far they’ve done an outstanding job so I have no real worries on that score.

  185. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    otia dant vitia:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    His name is Cogman, and you are disrespectful

    I dont care what his name is he will write what i want.

  186. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    3waywithCersei:
    Somehow it just now hit me that fantasy is going mainstream. Feels strangely moving, here’s hoping for the future success for the genre after GoT.

    We are indeed entering the hour of the nerd. Hopefully this will be the era, the epoch. It’s awesome. Look at what Marvel is doing. Whether you like it or not, it cannot be denied.

    All the smaller studios taking chances on great storytelling are fucking winning! I think this is a testament to a smarter, more open general audience. The interweb has of course played a significant role.

    Revenge of the nerds!

  187. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:25 pm | Permalink

    Carne:
    Wyman Manderly: Ian McNeice
    Victarion Greyjoy: Ray Stevenson
    Randyll Tarly: Graham McTavish/Peter Mullan

    McTavish would also be a good shout for Victarion. But I agree about Randyll we need a menacing Scotsman to play him, that’s why I suggested Brian Cox earlier.

  188. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy: I dont care what his name is he will write what i want.

    Quote of the century.

  189. Ashara D
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:27 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    MUGger:
    Illuminatus,

    LOL!

    However, I have a theory, and this announcement ties into it: GRRM is not just working on WoW, but writing to the end right now (he works on a character-by-character basis, writing several chapters for one character at a time).

    The release of both of the final two books will be timed to keep the show promoted and to generate excitement regarding upcoming seasons. So – WoW gets released to maximize Season 6 (maybe before or at the same time as Season 6 reaches the material from the books), and the same happens for Season 7 with aDoS.

    WOO_HOO!! Two Seasons at once. Yay!!

    As for the books: (you-all knew I wouldn’t miss this opportunity, didn’t you?)
    This is the biggest news yet to support the theory that WoW is coming out in early 2015. I think that we will get the announcement after the end of the current season of GoT. And MUGger, you are absolutely right about GRRM’s organic writing process making ADoS a possibility by 2017. Been saying this all along folks. Have faith! They are coming, sooner rather than later.

    We WILL get Dorne in all of its glory, and the Iron Islands too (I hope). As for Doran, I am an Edward James Olmos person since the casting of Pedro, but I can also see some of these other suggestions. Sorry, tho, Ben Kingsley seems too frail and gentlemanly to pull off the leader of the passionate, fiery Dornish, even if he is in a wheelchair. I’m all for unknowns for everyone, actually. Nina Gold has done such a stellar job of finding just the right people, I know that she can find a great Arianne, Darkstar, or Young Griff. Hell, just her discovery of Maisie alone should win her a casting Emmy!

    So pumped by this news! Thanks for posting it, Fury!

  190. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    CM Punk,

    Ray Stevenson IS Victarion. Don’t you dare deny it.

  191. Patchy Face
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:28 pm | Permalink

    MUGger,

    Funny – I was thinking the same thing. We know that he writes out of sequence at times. He could be going back and filling in blanks but have the main story completed.

  192. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    HouseMartellBitches: I’ve got nothing against unknowns (just look at Oberyn and the kids), but Doran, perhaps even more so than Tywin, like Ned before him, has to be a Name. The gravitas and respect have to be instant. Despite not seeing him for four seasons, we have to like and respect this character instantly, and unlike Oberyn, he isn’t (openly) showy. Plus, the unsullied have to care about/remember him; they have to WANT to get back to Dorne, and Kingsley solves any problem in that regard instantly.

    Well said. You’re going to be asking viewers to care greatly about a character who mostly sits in chairs and talks deliberately. Oberyn has lots of sex and wants to kill lots of people. Kingsley makes you sit up and notice. Not that we’ll get him, damn.

    jentario:
    GreatJon of Slumber,

    First of all: SPOILER TAGS!
    Second of all: yes, I totally forgot the High Sparrow. The Elder Brother would be a (*), since only GRRM and D&D know how important he is. Meribald’s role will hopefully be given to Thoros after Brienne meets Stoneheart in season 4

    Dammit I totally forgot spoiler tags.

    But I don’t agree on Meribald, who is a fascinating bit part. I’d combine him perhaps with Elder Brother.

  193. HouseMartellBitches
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    You are right about Bowen. Brian Fortune is in the end credits and you could make him out at one of the ends of the judgement table, though I don’t think he has lines.

    Especially given his role later on, that bit of continuity is really awesome. A nobody from season 1 who missed 2 seasons, whose name I very much doubt the any unsullied know, is gonna come from behind and play a somewhat important role. Same actor, same role; really love that epic continuity. I wonder what Oz’s reaction is gonna be when he and the rest of the unsullied try to wrap their heads around that one!

  194. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    This. Season 4 has so far made me more positive about the inclusion of Dorne (constant name drops!). Time will tell if season 4 will make me more positive for the Iron Islands. When Balon dies. If that isn’t in season 4, I’ll begin to be afraid. Though it could certainly happen in season 5…

  195. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:34 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy: No need. Im 100% confident that D&D and Crogman are well aware of that 2 books whitch are a prime example of what writers block looks like cannot be made into a satisfying Tv show not at the standard so far.

    Not if they dont want to make GOT into Xena(Arya) warrior pincess “trash” type of series.

    I don’t even know what you just said, and I’m not talking about typos.

    Hoyti Von Totiy: I dont care what his name is he will write what i want.

    Hoyti Von TROLLY. I don’t care what your name is either. You are purposely being disrespectful for no apparent reason, and I cannot abide. I’m finished trying to reason with you. Best of luck with that bitchin camaro.

  196. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:36 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    CM Punk,

    Ray Stevenson IS Victarion. Don’t you dare deny it.

    Oh no doubt! But I am not going to build my hopes up too much, last time I prayed for a casting decision Nina Gold crushed my heart.

    On a side note Ray looked a tiny bit chubby in Divergent. He could still kick my ass with ease but I want my Victarion to be in prime condition for season 5.

  197. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Stop it!

    You are ruining the moment, by this foolish daydreaming of AFFC filler.

    There will be no Dorne, Pyke, Aryas dull Braavos storyline or Briannes tourist guide to Riverlands. That is no TV material.

  198. Dark Heart
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:38 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Penny won’t be cut. They’ve already had a casting call out for her earlier this year.

  199. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:41 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Lady Dayne,
    Well said. I will raise my banners for you anytime. Here’s hoping for an ADOS release sometime during the final (seventh, maybe eighth??) season.

  200. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy:
    Stop it!

    You are ruining the moment, by this foolish daydreaming of AFFC filler.

    There will be no Dorne, Pyke, Aryas dull Braavos storyline or Briannes tourist guide to Riverlands.That is no TV material.

    You forgot about the exhilarating boat trip to Oldtown.

  201. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:43 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Blah blah blah

    Dark Heart,

    Just because there will be a dwarf show at the Wedding doesn’t mean that Penny will actually survive the cut. It opens the possibility, but it’s not enough really. The thing is there is no room for Penny in a seven season plan, and with some working around they could easily cut her AND keep the Tyrion character development. But maybe I’m wrong. We shall see.

  202. GeekFurious
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths:
    GeekFurious,

    I’m hoping we get 8 full seasons, but I’m thinking an extended season 7 is more likely. From what I’ve read, all the season 1 actors have 6 year contracts plus a fixed option, so the posturing for 7 seasons is probably HBO trying to avoid re-negotiating with everyone.

    There is no way to avoid renegotiating with the actors who make it 6 seasons with one or more to go. However, I’ve actually said for a long time that I think they will film 20 episodes in one or more of the seasons to avoid the contract issue. Meaning, they could always do two 20-episode seasons that are split over 4-years.

  203. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:45 pm | Permalink

    CM Punk: You forgot about the exhilarating boat trip to Oldtown.

    Finally a voice of reason in here!

    Greetings friend.

  204. Nancy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Given the great season premiere ratings, the buzz and positive critic response…HBO would have been fools not to renew this show for 2 seasons. If it wasn’t before, it is now HBO’s flagship show. Especially with True Blood, Newsroom and Boardwalk Empire all off the air by the end of 2014. This is the show HBO will build their future scheduling around.
    Kudos to the GoT team on a job well done!

  205. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    I’m sorry but I just can’t take you serious anymore.

  206. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:51 pm | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    They should also have a casting call for turtles. Lots and lots of turtles.

  207. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:52 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    I’m sorry but I just can’t take you serious anymore.

    With all due respect, what am i to think of you who are wishing AFFC doom upon the TV show?

    Dont turn this site into censeros.org … i respect you have an oppinion that sucks and you should respect my oppinion that is the law.

  208. The Spider
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Season 5 dream casting Robbie Kay as Yong Griff , Angus Mcfeyden Old Griff , Paola Turbay Arriane Martell , Diego Luna Quentyn Martell

  209. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    I can’t wait to see Ser Pounce and Balerion the black get inducted into the kingsguard. Fucking Confirmed.

  210. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    Ser Pounce:
    I can’t wait to see Ser Pounce and Balerion the black get inducted into the kingsguard. Fucking Confirmed.

    What about Boots and Lady Whiskers?

  211. Balerion
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:01 pm | Permalink

    Are they going to shoot season 5 and 6 back-to-back now??

  212. Tatters
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:10 pm | Permalink

    Balerion,

    Would have been optimal, but it would cost nearly 200 million dollars. Not that HBO is lacking, at all.

  213. Ser Pounce
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    CM Punk: What about Boots and Lady Whiskers?

    Oh I can’t remember if Boots was the lord commander of the kingsguard or was he the unpredictable wildcard. Anyways I don’t feel like reading AFFC ever again eheh.

  214. Shock Me
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:16 pm | Permalink

    The Loon:
    jentario,

    I just always assumed that he’s been chair/bedridden because of his gout so he’d be fat…I may have just applied the description of his swollen legs to the rest of him

    and I don’t mean like King Robert fat, but definitely doughy

    He doesn’t have gout. He was injured in a joust while he was young.

  215. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    LOL at people suggesting that this renewal is evidence that Winds of Winter is coming out soon.

    LOL’ing hard.

  216. Seanathn
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:20 pm | Permalink

    Shaldun,

    Yes so very yes, I love Game of Thrones but keep your hands of Mads he has so many people left to eat.

  217. Dark Heart
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I’m not talking about this season.

    There was a casting call for a character named “Penny”, and they specifically wanted dwarf women to apply. It was in January, so they are clearly looking to have her.

  218. Ghost
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:22 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    You’re thinking of Garlan, I think, because Doran definitely does.

  219. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:30 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    I respect your opinion. What I don’t respect is your attitude, and this especially: “I dont care what his name is he will write what i want.”

  220. Daniela
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    You are thinking of Willas Tyrell, they are talking about Doran Martell.

  221. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:31 pm | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy:
    Dark Heart,
    They should also have a casting call for turtles. Lots and lots of turtles.

    Big ones too.

    S5 is probably going to be heavy on the open water and crazy snowstorm scenes. Effects and matte paintings galore.

    Lex:
    LOL at people suggesting that this renewal is evidence that Winds of Winter is coming out soon.

    What would the world be like without cautious optimism?

  222. Ghost
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Ghost,

    Son of a bitch, I meant Willas

  223. Shock Me
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    My greatest concern after GRRM actually finishing is that the actor portraying Maester Aemon makes it to season 7.

  224. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:33 pm | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    Wow, really? Would you kindly share a link :)

  225. Thoros
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:36 pm | Permalink

    KG,

    So jealous. You should create a Dothraki Horde to honor him.

  226. Shock Me
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:37 pm | Permalink

    Daniela,

    Yeah now that you say it that sounds right about Willas.

  227. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Great interviews here if you can ignore the obnoxious interviewer:
    http://news.xbox.com/2014/04/ent-game-of-thrones-on-xbox-360

  228. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:44 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    I think your concern is misguided.

  229. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Yeah, the knee jerk reaction to this renewal meaning anything more than it actually does is interesting. All it means is this: HBO are committed to Thrones, and they want everyone to know it. They could have waited a year to renew season 6 but they didn’t. This essentially means that unless season 6 will be a train-wreck in terms of ratings (which it likely won’t, this stuff is addictive), we will see this series through to the end. I wonder if season 4 will really be the popularity peak of the show or if it could even grow further…

  230. Shan
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:46 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Agree totally and AFFC sucks except… dont you think we have to have at least a little of Aryas training? Or is she going to arrive at Braavos in one episode and come out a faceless man the next?

    But yeah ive been rereading affc and I just dont know why grrm thought it was okay to waste years writing that one

  231. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Definitely misguided

  232. Ye Olde Wolfe
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:47 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me,

    Maester Aemon wont make it to season 7…

  233. Ghost
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I don’t remember anything specifically for Penny, but there was a little person management company that said they sent 4 actors to film stunt work for this season. Maybe they will be in some sort of costume so we don’t actually see faces so they can find an actor for next season.

  234. Blind Beth
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:48 pm | Permalink

    Crabber’s Son:
    Edward James Olmos for Doran

    Oh. My. God. That would be AMAZING.

  235. wizardeyes
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    We get it. You don’t like FFC and DWD. Move on with your life.

  236. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Shock Me:
    My greatest concern after GRRM actually finishing is that the actor portraying Maester Aemon makes it to season 7.

    Depends if you are Sullied or Unsullied, I guess….

  237. kyle
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:49 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy:
    Stop it!

    You are ruining the moment, by this foolish daydreaming of AFFC filler.

    There will be no Dorne, Pyke, Aryas dull Braavos storyline or Briannes tourist guide to Riverlands.That is no TV material.

    There will be lots of turtle watching though right? If they cut that I’m going to throw myself off a bridge.

  238. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:51 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    I like how you chose to spoiler code only a small partr of your spoilery post. fix it?

  239. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    We get it. You don’t like FFC and DWD. Move on with your life.

    Who made you dictator?

  240. wizardeyes
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:56 pm | Permalink

    Imagine how epic the ending to season 5 could be -

    Episode 9 –
    Battle of Winterfell
    Cersei’s walk
    Daznak’s Pit

    Episode 10 -
    Pink letter and Jon stabbed
    Varys kills Kevan and Pycelle
    Quentyn attempts to steal dragons
    Barristan arrests Hizdahr

    And then season 6 could begin with the battle of Meereen. HBO are gonna have to borrow money from the iron bank of braavos to be able to afford that one…

  241. Deathdreams
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:57 pm | Permalink

    Rygar:
    Tim Curry for Doran!

    Ralph Feinnes

  242. Daniel
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 6:59 pm | Permalink

    http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F0524b41%2C%20%2Fm%2F02pqs8l%2C%20%2Fm%2F0c3xpwy%2C%20%2Fm%2F07zhjj%2C%20%2Fm%2F03d34x8&date=1%2F2011%2041m&cmpt=q

    Another member here showed me this, so I thought I’d compare it with some of the most popular series around.

    What stands out about Game of Thrones is it’s massive leaps each season. Also, unlike other series, it’s watched widely in nearly every country, particularly in Eastern Europe and Russia.

    So while US numbers are big, I’m sure they are even more impressive in other countries.

  243. CM Punk
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:00 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams: Ralph Feinnes

    Cary Elwes

  244. Deathdreams
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:03 pm | Permalink

    Mickey Rooney as strong Belwas…Doh!

  245. Giskard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:04 pm | Permalink

    TonyGen,

    no, actually. they said that they would prefer 13 episodes but for budgetary reasons, HBO can’t let that happen.

  246. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    wizardeyes,

    I don’t like the Wall of Shame in episode 9. Where would you put Cersei’s arrest? Episode 7? I also think that both the Walk of Shame and Varys going ninja on Kevan would be great early season events (episode 1 of season 6 maybe?). Cersei’s arrest feels more like a climax than an episode 7 moment.

    Also, to give Tyrion’s arc some time to breathe, I’d prefer the Daznak Pit happening in the finale. So episode 9 gets the battle of Winterfell (or at least the first big battle there) and Cersei’s downfall (and maybe some sacking of Riverrun and Arya’s face-changing assassination on the side). Then the finale gets the Daznak Pit and Jon’s stabbing as well as Winter finally arriving.

    Season 5 will be epic. Maybe not quite as epic as 4, but still epic.

  247. KG
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Thoros,

    Horde? (Spits on the ground) They consort with the undead! Look at my avatar!!!

  248. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Ghost,

    If I read some of the episode 2 spoliers correctly the dwarf stunt crew is used to(Don’t read further if you don’t want to be spoiled for episode 2:

    ……

    …….

    …….

    ……

    portray Stannis,Robb,Renly, and perhaps Balon in a mocking way at the wedding feast. I believe I read that there is a dwarf impersonating Melisandre, so that could become Penny.

  249. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    LOL at people suggesting that this renewal is evidence that Winds of Winter is coming out soon.

    LOL’ing hard.

    Yeahhh.

  250. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Must not read. Will not read.

  251. mariamb
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:09 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I don’t disagree. I actually liked Arys’ arc. Still not sure if he is essential…it depends on the importance of the crowning of Myrcella story.

  252. adense
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:10 pm | Permalink

    Here’s my rough layout for Season 5. I think this will work just fine if they do it something like this!

    -Have Dany fly away in Episode 4.
    -Walk of Shame sometime in episode 6,7,8 or 10
    -Battle of Winterfell + Mereen in the end. You need only show the beginning/lead-up to the Battle of Winterfell, the rest can be off-screen and make the pink letter confusing to viewers as well. Can result in a cool surprise moment if Stannis survives.
    -Somehow have Dany declare she’s going to Westeros in the final episode.

    I won’t comment on Iron Islands, Dorne or Aegon, they can all be cut. We’ll have to wait and see.

    Brienne will already meet Stoneheart in S04E10, Bran is already far along, Roose Bolton reaches Winterfell in Season 4

  253. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    mariamb,

    I guess. But without Myrcella’s crowning you might as well delay Dorne till season 6 when they treat with Aegon. Except for Quentyn, unless he gets cut.

  254. Deathdreams
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:11 pm | Permalink

    Peaches Gelding as the Waif…….What?

  255. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:13 pm | Permalink

    Maybe everyone should just stop responding to Hoyti. Clearly he or she is looking to stir things up and argue because a fight happens in every thread he/she posts in.

    Just ignore!

    Anyway, my new ridiculous theory is that we will get the TWOW release date. April 15th! I read an article today about how there’s a tetrad of lunar eclipses in the next year, the first on 4-15. The moon will turn red. Some whackadoo preacher is calling it the blood moon and predicting end times. Somebody made a R’hllor/Azor Ahai joke in the comment section and I thought; what better night than the night of a blood moon to announce the release of TWOW?

    Reaching I know, but predicting TWOW is a bit like making apocalypse predictions. Futile as all hell. So why not predict the release date of a new ASOIAF book instead every time someone starts talking endtimes? it’s so fitting.

  256. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:16 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    TWOW is 1-2 years away.

  257. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:17 pm | Permalink

    adense,

    The problem with pushing the Dany arc so quickly (aside from losing all the details there) is that Tyrion needs to get to Meereen in time. The problem is that Tyrion also needs a lengthy journey alongside the Griffs (to set up Aegon and create a mystery there). It will be very hard to rush that. Yes, the Daznak Pit can happen without Tyrion, but the rest can’t, the battle can’t. The earliest I see him arriving at Meereen is episode 8 (and you can’t just propel him into a battle right away, can you?). On the battle of Winterfell I agree completely, though I do hope we’ll see a good 10-15 minutes of the battle with the end being a cliffhanger (so the Pink Letter works in full effect). Also, I don’t know what to make of your Walk of Shame estimation since you’ve given almost half the season as an option :)

  258. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:18 pm | Permalink

    Deathdreams,

    Deathdreams’ mom as the innkeeper’s daughter.

  259. jentario
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:20 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Hopefully slightly less than 1. Ahead of season 5.

  260. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:22 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Boy will you feel silly if any of that content is included.

  261. Blind Beth
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:25 pm | Permalink

    Dark Heart,

    Really? I actually love Penny. I think her character would need some adjustment for TV but could potentially be awesome. Do you have a link or a source for that info?

  262. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:27 pm | Permalink

    Shan:
    Hoyti Von Totiy,
    But yeah ive been rereading affc and I just dont know why grrm thought it was okay to waste years writing that one

    I guess it didn’t hurt his pocketbook to expand his world significantly with AFfC. It sold fairly well and it brought a fair amount of new mysteries and histories to the world.

    I’ve always thought that Westeros needed to be fleshed out more after ASoS. At that point everything in KL and the North became fucked up. There is no way that GRRM could just let the Iron Isles and Dorne sit around untouched and unrecognized. For three books, it was primarily Starks and Lions and Targs. The story needed to be expanded with fresh perspectives, simply to ask “what the heck did the South and the West and across the Narrow Sea bring to the equation?”

    Every reader will make their own judgment regarding if GRRM captured the new perspectives offered in AFfC interestingly enough. I thought he did a decent job of bringing vastly different characters into the forefront but given the stunning series of events in the first three books, I can see why others have issues with the fourth book.

    What is cool about S4, S5 & S6 is that we should get both AFfC and ADwD events in parallel…as they should have been read in the first place, imho. It does make a difference.

  263. Daniellica
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:29 pm | Permalink

    As some others have said, the most logical explanation for the two-season approval coincides with the fact that the next two books (mostly) occur at the same time. Otherwise D&D would have to do what Martin could not–find the chronological stopping point for each of the storylines and delve into the material with certainty solely of the upcoming season. Which is totally possible. But now we don’t need to concern ourselves with that. It is still the explanation that makes the most basic sense, not that artists or even execs are ruled by such notions.

    I again vote for James Purefoy as Euron solely for the selfish reason of wanting a dude to drool over, but Dominic West is a frakkin great idea! I love how disparate our individual conceptualizations are for every character. The first time I heard “Doran” and “Ben Kingsley” in the same sentence, it took my mind a while to even connect the two. It still throws my brain into spasms of WTFery, but ultimately what matters is not how the actor appears, but that he has the chops to pull off the essentials. Doran’s actor need not be physically emaciated or weak, or fat and unruly, but to project his illness, his pain, his sharp and incisive mind from beneath however he looks. A little makeup can also work wonders. :D

    It should also be noted that having a big name does not necessarily mean you’re a great talent. Amazing talent will convince you they are the character they’re playing no matter what their names may be. But I have no reason to distrust the casting for this show; it has been stellar from (aired) start to finish.

    I don’t think I actually have a point. Yay! :D

  264. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:30 pm | Permalink

    jentario,
    Dark Heart,

    I heard this too but I haven’t seen an actual link. However, a casting call could mean nothing because it’s not unheard of to write a character into the script, do a casting call, actually go through auditions, even select someone and then ax the character during production. So until an actor is announced or listed by someone official for a particular part, it means there is only a possibility.

    Furthermore, I’d bet everything I am worth that there won’t be any circus-like dwarf performances for Tyrion’s character as are in the books. Dinklage has always taken a very public stand against the portrayal of such things and I just don’t see him participating in such. That doesn’t mean they won’t have Penny, but it does mean what goes on after Tyrion leaves KL will be lacking those elements. So long as they achieve the same character development and move the plot along, it shouldn’t really matter.

  265. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:36 pm | Permalink

    WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Yeah, 2012 was such a letdown. I like your idea. However, I bought my daughter a star guide for her birthday this year (4/6! Hence watching a day late :/……) So its ya know… Move the window to any given date and this is the sky you will see in the northern hemisphere… I was thinking as I bought it that this is one very dominant aspect of history that grrm doesn’t really pull from much. Calendars, sky mapping, etc… (Perhaps becuase of the erratic seasons in westeros?).
    So I doubt he would go there. Nevertheless, as futile as the guessing game is, I prefer to remain cautiously optimistic.
    Speaking of,

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Where you been homey? Post-bowl depression? Welcome back!

  266. cosca
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    hah! No chance of that.

  267. wizardeyes
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I wrote this long thing but spoiler tags weren’t working properly so I deleted it

  268. mariamb
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:52 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    I think that we will see Dorne and Aegon in S5 although not together. Myrcella has to reappear soon or many will forget about her. I’m not sure that “the crowning” has any significance going forward…along with the possibly missing ear. I can easily see Quentyn getting cut in favor of the other Dorne storylines.

  269. Ghost
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    A little off topic but, has anyone ever seen/read this or know if this stuff is true?

    http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-10-actors-who-were-almost-cast.php

    It says that the Mad King was cast and they planned to show flashbacks of Roberts Rebellion but it got cut. It also says that the unaired first pilot had different actors playing Dany and Cat. That’s pretty interesting if it’s true.

  270. Daniellica
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:53 pm | Permalink

    I also have every confidence that if D&D can’t make the actual content of AFFC/DWD cinematic enough, they will take the essential meaning of what GRRM wrote–what those chapters were meant to accomplish (character development, etc.) and create scenes to express that content that ARE cinematic. They are writers, not whores in GRRM’s brothel. Erm, I hope.

  271. AnneMarie Bowman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 7:55 pm | Permalink

    GeekFurious: There is no way to avoid renegotiating with the actors who make it 6 seasons with one or more to go. However, I’ve actually said for a long time that I think they will film 20 episodes in one or more of the seasons to avoid the contract issue. Meaning, they could always do two 20-episode seasons that are split over 4-years.

    After reading this, a thought just occurred to me. What if this is exactly what they plan to do, Film season 5 & 6 concurrently, 20 episodes together at the same time? Wouldn’t it mean that their filming schedule (which usually is in between June and November) going to take longer? And the reason they can do this is because HBO wants to move GoT’s airing to the fall schedule? (taking Boardwalk Empire’s timeslot). which of course means we’d have to wait until Autumn 2015 for a new season.

    yikes.

  272. sati
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:01 pm | Permalink

    AnneMarie Bowman,

    Sweet Jesus if the hiatus between seasons gets any longer I may die.

  273. AnneMarie Bowman
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:05 pm | Permalink

    sati:
    AnneMarie Bowman,

    Sweet Jesus if the hiatus between seasons gets any longer I may die.

    Me too!

  274. Coltaine777
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:10 pm | Permalink

    This news just made my day :)

  275. Clob
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:12 pm | Permalink

    Ghost:
    A little off topic but, has anyone ever seen/read this or know if this stuff is true?

    http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-10-actors-who-were-almost-cast.php

    It says that the Mad King was cast and they planned to show flashbacks of Roberts Rebellion but it got cut. It also says that the unaired first pilot had different actors playing Dany and Cat. That’s pretty interesting if it’s true.

    I do know that Tamzin Merchant played Daenerys in the pilot.
    http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Tamzin_Merchant

  276. The_Red_Viper
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:22 pm | Permalink

    Check out this page in the SFX Fantasy issue… Interesting….

    http://31.media.tumblr.com/ada7a2a7963ce6e4f18b8a07a5d966d6/tumblr_n3qcn6ygHX1sftvypo1_500.jpg

  277. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:24 pm | Permalink

    Jentario, you think Quentyn can be cut but Doran can’t? Quentyn is Doran’s arc, he is the fate of Dorne, he’s how Dorne interacts with the rest of the established story (before Arianne and Aegon), the only other thing that happens is the Queenmaker… which goes nowhere except establishing Darkstar which may or may not be relevant.
    I’d cut Sunspeare before I cut Quentyn.

    on a side note, I’ve been thinking about what characters d&d are bigging up this season and what that could mean for the future, there’s Tormund, who I thought would have a very small role in late season 5, but if they’re bigging him up, he could be our window into Hardhome.
    Then there’s Yara, it would make sense that they’re making the audience care about her now, so she can be the Ironborn window, otherwise what else would she do, she does nothing as Stannis’ prisoner, she wouldn’t need a big role this season for that.

  278. KG
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Ghost,

    It’s all true.

  279. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Man,how come no one wants to see Dany having diarrhea shit in the 5th season ? That scene was so great in the books and will surely bring Emillia Clarke a second Emmy nomination if she pulls it right .

  280. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:28 pm | Permalink

    Also if Penny is cast I will cry. I had to suffer through Gilly and her characterless, decorative, dumb whining last season. I can’t do it again.

    Unless d&d do what they did with Shae & Ygritte & Jeyne and turn a none-character into a character, but even so, we don’t have the screentime for another Shae.

  281. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:32 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    “Wot’s a baaybeeee?”

  282. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:35 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister,

    are you using big words to confuse me? :(

  283. Deathdreams
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:38 pm | Permalink

    Lex:
    Deathdreams,

    Deathdreams’ mom as the innkeeper’s daughter.

    Ouch… Nah, dead too long

    Edit on previous comment: Geldof. God Damn auto correct!

  284. Chickenduck
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 8:50 pm | Permalink

    The_Red_Viper,

    Confirmed?

  285. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    Ghost,

    Yes, true, and also pretty common knowledge around here. This site existed before the pilot was shot, and announced the original casting for Dany and Cat… and, after the pilot, announced when they were re-cast.

    There is also a pic from the Mad King scene, in which you can see Brandon Stark being killed, and a fuzzy out-of-focus Mad King in the background. (Can be found with a google image search of “mad king game of thrones”). I still can’t remember if it was ever confirmed whether the actor playing Brandon Stark was Sean Bean or not. Looks like him.

  286. Daniellica
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:11 pm | Permalink

    Clob: http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-10-actors-who-were-almost-cast.php

    Though having a young kid may have prevented Ehle from committing to a 13 episode shoot in the likes of Iceland and Ireland….

    Who wrote that damn thing? I want the extra 3 episodes this guy got!

  287. Hard Truths
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:17 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Penny has to be cut. I think a lot of non-book readers would view her introduction as a “jump the shark” moment. I couldn’t believe that George thought her character was a good idea.

  288. Ghost
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:22 pm | Permalink

    Lex,

    Thank you, I was just about to ask but I found it. It does look like Sean. I hope they release those scenes one day. Prolly not but hopefully.

  289. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:24 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths,

    many book readers would also view it as such. He has Illyrio, Jon Con, Aegon, Moqorro and Jorah to sink his teeth into anyway

  290. Hi-Fi
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:26 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    And Septa Lemore <3

  291. No One
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    Can we all talk about how LS was just pretty much confirmed. Or did I already miss the excitement? Either way, here’s the link!!!!!!!!!!!! http://winteristrulycoming.tumblr.com/post/82123662405/shes-coming-from-sfx-fantasy-special-issue

  292. Zack
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:31 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths

    Not only non-readers. I really hope they cut much of Tyrion’s travel stuff largely because Penny is such a bore.

  293. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:34 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths:
    House Mormont,
    Penny has to be cut. I think a lot of non-book readers would view her introduction as a “jump the shark” moment. I couldn’t believe that George thought her character was a good idea.

    Just to play devil’s advocate…+1 for Penny. I am a champion for the discarded and oppressed.

    Hi-Fi:
    House Mormont,
    And Septa Lemore <3

    +1 for Septa Lemore as well….or maybe some amalgamation of Penny and Lemore. A goofy female sidekick for Tyrion and Jorah is a bad idea?

  294. House Mormont
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:41 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    well a goofy sidekick would be nice, but despite looking it, her defining character traits are naivety and crying, and all Lemore does is look spectacularly good naked. Sure you could combine them and give the creation a none-repulsive personality but considering the amount of new characters eating up screen time… why would you

  295. John M W
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:54 pm | Permalink

    It’s almost a foregone conclusion that a whole lot of AFFC/ADWD material will be cut from the show. But I swear, every time I come into one of these threads, I just want them to throw every last bit of those books into the series just to drive some of you absolutely crazy.

  296. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 9:55 pm | Permalink

    House Mormont:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    well a goofy sidekick would be nice, but despite looking it, her defining character traits are naivety and crying, and all Lemore does is look spectacularly good naked. Sure you could combine them and give the creation a none-repulsive personality but considering the amount of new characters eating up screen time… why would you

    True (and I am glad you mentioned the naked part)….but like a poster said upthread, I think that D&D are really going to mix it up a bit, throwing all the Sullied for a loop in the Rhoyne (although my fear is that it will become another HotU), just because they can. :) An amalgamation of Penny/Lemore could be the new Ros.

    If HBO is already committing $130 – $150 million (assuming $65-75million/season) over the next 2 years, the plot outline must be pretty damn compelling. This truly amazing news.

  297. Turri
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:13 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Do we know (or can reasonably suspect) HBO has seen outlines? D&D should surely have one for S5 by now, but for S6? To make this decision right now seems to indicate the bosses have watched all S4 episodes (which are probably awesome) and only waited for the ratings of the first to make it official.

    But S6 will be mostly based on book material (TWOW) that won’t be published in time and doesn’t exist by now, for the most part. I don’t think there can be outlines yet that are anything but very rough.

  298. Abyss
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:24 pm | Permalink

    Ghost,

    Didn’t read all of it, but the part about Izzy Meikle-Small was very strange:

    It seems, however, that she made also made it down to the final two to play Sansa Stark in Game of Thrones. Meilke-Small has since expressed relief at not getting the role based on the amount of flesh it would require her to show. With no offense to Sophie Turner, Sansa has proven so insipid over the last three seasons its difficult to imagine it’d make much difference who was playing her.

    First of, the part about the requirement to show flash in the role is obviously bullshit. Sophie Turner has recently turned 18 (and Izzy Meikle-Small is around the same age), before that it would have been simply against the law for her to show any real “flash” in GOT. If Meilke-Small is not misquoted here, then I have to assume that she is simply jealous.
    And the last sentence is an insult to Sophie Turner even though he dosen’t come out an says it…

  299. Tony
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:30 pm | Permalink

    It’s funny:

    On the show ‘New Worlds’ Charles Dance plays Joe Dempsie’s father… And Joe Dempsie’s character’ name is ‘Ned’. Just how funny a coincedence is that?!

    Loads of other Game of Thrones cast in it. Patrick Malahide and Donald Sumpter are also there!

  300. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:35 pm | Permalink

    Turri,
    Yeah, I can’t disagree really….a few months ago, before True Detective premiered, HBO reported an amazing amount of profit for the year ($300-400million), which Time-Warner published in their quarterly report. We can assume HBO is awash in development money and confidence. Good times.

    But do the HBO execs only know of S4 episodes, an S5 outline (with S5 scripts currently being delivered) and hand-waving for S6 to commit to something like this? I think they have a bit more to go on…but then again, besides committing to contracts before prices go up, and because 3rd-party money via products/licensing is probably flowing in (how many Funko Pop figurines do you have?), maybe they can assume this risk without worry.

  301. Caravaggio
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:43 pm | Permalink

    Valar Morghulis!

    Eat it, haters!

  302. Alan
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:48 pm | Permalink

    John M W:
    It’s almost a foregone conclusion that a whole lot of AFFC/ADWD material will be cut from the show. But I swear, every time I come into one of these threads, I just want them to throw every last bit of those books into the series just to drive some of you absolutely crazy.

    Me, too. On the other hand, I also use it as an indicator of whose opinion to ignore, so it’s not a complete waste.

  303. Rob
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:51 pm | Permalink

    GOT is so huge now. Im from the Philippines the show is huge over here n9w. The marketing is incredible especially for thia season. I was surprised when there is a huge booth about Game of thrones season 4 and HBOgo in a mall i was going to. Before the end of season 3 epiaode 9, GoT is basically non existent here.

    Sorry for my bad english

  304. Turncloak
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 10:56 pm | Permalink

    Rob,

    Your English was very good :-). Better than a lot of native speakers

  305. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:02 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister:
    Where you been homey?Post-bowl depression?Welcome back!

    Hey, Sista….missed you too. Fuckin’ unprepared, underwhelming, weed-whacking Broncos.

    UConn? Who would have thunk it? Wow. Wolves are on the rise!

    Oh well….Germany will be tough to beat in the upcoming World Cup. USA in the Group of Death!

  306. Bex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:06 pm | Permalink

    Definitely disrupted a professional development meeting this afternoon when I saw this. Awesome. Pure, unadulterated awesome. Love to know how George feels about it.

  307. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:13 pm | Permalink

    Bex:
    Definitely disrupted a professional development meeting this afternoon when I saw this. Awesome. Pure, unadulterated awesome. Love to know how George feels about it.

    From GRRM’s blog:

    HBO has renewed GAME OF THRONES for a fifth season. Great news. But hardly surprising. I mean, it wasn’t official, but everyone and his brother pretty well knew that we would get a fast renewal for season five.

    But HBO has also renewed GAME OF THRONES for a sixth season, and that one is surprising. I don’t think even David and Dan suspected that was coming. I certainly did not. HBO never orders more than one season at a time, not in recent memory. So this is pretty unprecedented. And pretty great.

  308. Ashara D
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:26 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    No one in their right mind is going to commit that kind of cash without more than a few vague outlines. That’s what I’m trying to tell ya-all! TWoW has to be done or nearly done, which means that ADoS is also partially written because of the way GRRM writes, a character at a time.

    As a fan of certain theories concerning Septa Lemore, I hope that she is not cut. Penny on the other hand…I’m not a fan. Can’t wait for the next episode!

  309. JoopStroop
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:28 pm | Permalink

    No One:
    Can we all talk about how LS was just pretty much confirmed. Or did I already miss the excitement? Either way, here’s the link!!!!!!!!!!!! http://winteristrulycoming.tumblr.com/post/82123662405/shes-coming-from-sfx-fantasy-special-issue

    Yes, can we please talk about this?? Is this from next week’s episode description or what? What does the 18 stand for?

    Super excited if this is true!!

  310. Lex
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:29 pm | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    That’s what I’m trying to tell ya-all! TWoW has to be done or nearly done, which means that ADoS is also partially written because of the way GRRM writes, a character at a time.

    Completely false.

    Elio, with his insider knowledge, even said a couple weeks ago that TWoW is not done or nearly done. As for ADoS also being partly written, now you’re just talking crazy.

  311. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    Lex: Completely false.

    Come on, Lex. I just want to jump up and down and feel Ashara’s excitement for one night! I’ll go back to moping tomorrow.

    :)

  312. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:41 pm | Permalink

    JoopStroop,

    We still have no idea where the info is coming from. If it is straight from the mouth of a person who worked on VFX for GOT, then it is something to talk about. But it may just be speculation. And no, LS doesn’t appear in any of the first 3 episodes.

  313. Lady Wolfsbane
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:51 pm | Permalink

    I keep looking up all actors names that everyone mentions.. and I’m confused…and sometimes disturbed. Notable exceptions for Ray Stevenson for a Greyjoy and Diego Luna for a Martell. Those ideas rock!

  314. Greenjones
    Posted April 8, 2014 at 11:58 pm | Permalink

    What’s the website that gets the production photos before they’re released called again? I’ve been looking through past pages trying to find it again to no avail.

  315. Lex
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    False hope is no hope at all. :)

  316. Dnis
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:16 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    What do we lose by having Tyrion go directly from Pentos to Meereen? He can meet Griff’s crew in Illyrio’s mansion, go out looking for tits and wine and get himself captured, and arrive in Meereen by Episode 6. We don’t need to see the Rhoyne or Volantis. My Season 5 hopes: less Essos, more Westeros, and fewer boat scenes all around (this also goes for the Fat Pink Mast and any Ironborn that make the cut).

    Happy to hear this renewal news. The annual renewal uncertainty was turning into a farce. After Blackwater, we all knew the show was going the distance.

  317. Zack
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:20 am | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    I am also intrigued by theories on Septa Lemore, so I hope she’s there in some capacity to stoke those fires (even though I’m not entirely sold on the theories, they’re still fun). I don’t think Penny adds much to the dynamic; certainly whatever she brings can be combined with Lemore’s character. Amalgamations are not unheard of on this show after all, and they’ve done it to rather more interesting characters than Penny.

  318. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:24 am | Permalink

    Mike Chair,

    Stop that ! you’re encouraging unbridled euphoria ! Guard yourself when you fall……….really fast………..!

    Glad the announcement has been made official by HBO/press. The media circus has had this story circulating for a while now, although I read it here first.

  319. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:30 am | Permalink

    Lex,

    Oui Nous Pouvons ! Nope, I must refute this sentiment with a Doctor Who ( fez ) quote ” Never gonna happen ” . Dammit agent Mulder, I want to believe !

  320. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:32 am | Permalink

    Alan,

    ( :

  321. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:44 am | Permalink

    jentario:
    The Loon,

    I always wondered where people got that “Doran is fat” thing from. I imagined him as uber skinny.

    Here, from the wiki: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/7/7e/Mathia_Arkoniel_DoranM.jpg

    Doran is assumed to be fat because Doran has crippling gout, and that goes hand in hand with fat and rich food. Gout is NOT a thin man’s disease in the medieval era. At all.

    I’d be tempted to go with Ian McNeice for an older take on Doran, though who knows – they might cast him for Illyrio next season instead of Roger Allam (the role was originally offered to McNeice until he had to back out due to a scheduling conflict).

    Whatever. When it comes to casting, I trust these guys to get it right, unless it’s the Mountain. Then they will get it wrong!

  322. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:12 am | Permalink

    **WHY A DREAM OF SPRING BEING UNFINISHED HELPS HBO and D&D**

    The recent talk of seven seasons has nothing to do with any magical number, other than $$. The problem is that the actors are not optioned beyond a Season 7. To get to a Season 8, the actors would have to be paid. A lot of them would expect — and demand — a big fat raise. On an ensemble show as big as GoT, that’s a real problem.

    **HOWEVER**

    If A Dream of Spring is not finished — and let’s face it, it won’t be — then D&D have the ultimate hammer: Sign a deal at a reasonable price for Season 8, OR WE KILL YOU OFF in Seasons 6 or 7.

    There are, presumably a few key actors that they could not do this too, but only a relative few. They can — and will — depart from GRRM’s overall story arc and kill off somebody early if the actor won’t come to reasonable $$ terms (HBO’s definition of “reasonable”).

    And we’ll never know they have killed off somebody early until after the series is over and ADoS is finally released. By that time, we will ALL be Unsullied.

    I think D&D know this and the Season 7 talk is just aimed at managing cast expectations. When season 5 is over, they are going to have to have HBO begin to sign another option extension with some of the cast for another year to plan for a renewal for seasons 7 and 8. And if the cast won’t do it, then in the scripts for Season 6, D&D are going to have to begin to work in some early character deaths — whether that’s part of GRRM’s plan or not.

    It’s the only way we will get to a Season 8 in a budget that HBO will find palatable. Oh, they’ll open the vault a bit for another season ( or 2) of their top money maker, but only to a point. They will need a hammer to reduce salary demands.

    And early character deaths in Season 6 and 7 will provide them with that contract negotiation leverage.

  323. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:22 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Thanks much for summarizing the characteristics of Gout, in any era the physical impacts could be devastating to the individual sufferer.

    Any actor portraying Doran’s character need not be of great girth. He would likely sit often or be confined to a chair. The makeup F/X would do the rest for his symptoms . Ian McNeice would do swell for lord Manderly, wouldn’t you say ? the jury is still out on whom would likely take on the part of Doran. Alfred Molina seems ahead out the offered names here, but there are a number of actors prime for this role. No doubt this topic will be heavily discussed once Dorne is announced for a later season.

  324. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:24 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Course not HM, thats how my friends and I clown on Gilly ;)

  325. Damryn of Dorne
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:30 am | Permalink

    Where are the re-tweet stories ?!?

  326. Nante
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Yes!! Great news! It looks like HBO is gonna let GOT finish the story in its’ entirety. No matter what D&D want I think there has to be 8 seasons at the very least. I think with this added security they will be more confident in including more elements from the books to the series.

  327. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:43 am | Permalink

    Dnis:
    jentario,

    What do we lose by having Tyrion go directly from Pentos to Meereen?He can meet Griff’s crew in Illyrio’s mansion, go out looking for tits and wine and get himself captured, and arrive in Meereen by Episode 6.We don’t need to see the Rhoyne or Volantis. My Season 5 hopes: less Essos, more Westeros, and fewer boat scenes all around (this also goes for the Fat Pink Mast and any Ironborn that make the cut).

    Happy to hear this renewal news.The annual renewal uncertainty was turning into a farce.After Blackwater, we all knew the show was going the distance.

    The Sorrows is important at the very least because of the greyscale. Things were so bizarre that I have a feeling there might be more to it that we don’t know yet. I agree that they don’t need to include the details of Volantene politics. One of the only parts of ASOIAF I dislike is that Volantis stuff.

  328. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:45 am | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Steel_Wind,

    Thanks much for summarizing the characteristics of Gout, in any era the physical impacts could be devastating to the individual sufferer.

    Any actor portraying Doran’s character need not be of great girth. He would likely sit often or be confined to a chair. The makeup F/X would do the rest for his symptoms . Ian McNeice would do swell for lord Manderly, wouldn’t you say ? the jury is still out on whom would likely take on the part of Doran. Alfred Molina seems ahead out the offered names here, but there are a number of actors prime for this role. No doubt this topic will be heavily discussed once Dorne is announced for a later season.

    Gout is a build up of urea in the bloodstream (urate crystals forming in the joints, typically starting in the big toe). While it is a kidney related disease, it is strongly linked to diet and weight, now, as then.

    I would agree that McNeice would make a fine Manderly, indeed a better Manderly than a Doran. He’d do well in a number of other potential parts as he is a fine character actor.

    The great question is where D&D will make not simply cuts, but amputations. I’d be happy to see an Iron Islands which is greatly abbreviated if not cut outright. I know other fans have other preferences. But my love for Pyke and Sunspear is vanishingly small. Whatever the case, Balon is not going to make it past Season 4 as his death has already been prophesied through the burning of Gendry’s blood leech, so that’s a Checkov’s Gun whose trigger has already been pulled.

    Fake Aegon and Connington’s roles are very unclear too. How important they are is a complete unknown. My guess is that the War from the South can be duplicated through a number of other means. Point is, D&D have broad options here.

    At this point, I’m quite trusting of D&D to get it right. They’ve earned our trust, frankly. If they monumentally fuck up an entire season, we’ll all know. They certainly have not done so as yet.

  329. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:49 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    That’s fucking interesting man. Not sure I buy it entirely, but an interesting thought nonetheless. They should call you steel rain, bringin the hammer down!

    Edit: just saw your recent post. I’m referring here to your thoughts on contract renewals in an environment of uncertain endings

  330. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:00 am | Permalink

    Ashara D,

    Hear hear!

    And oh yeah, stretch marks. The “soiled septa” is wayyyyyy sexy!

  331. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Thoros:
    KG,

    So jealous. You should create aDothraki Horde to honor him.

    Welcome, Thoros! KG is bringing fire and I’m bringing blue roses, so no Horde. Just downloaded my tickets so, can’t wait to yell, scream, fan, swoon and faint over Jason. Vapors are overtaking me as we speak, and don’t splash me, Cumsprite :)

  332. zerowolf
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:01 am | Permalink

    Will people on here please stop the pointless conjecture about an eighth season. There is barely enough material in AFFC and ADWD to make one season.What makes you presume that the final books will be any different?
    GRRM has lost the plot – literally.They’re taking it away from him.
    I’m confident that Benioff & Co will take some of the authors outlines and bring the story to a satisfactory conclusion.
    At the end of seven seasons.
    Seven.
    SEVEN !!!

  333. Ser Dosser
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:03 am | Permalink

    Hmm i wonder does this mean they will move both the battle for Winterfell and Mereen in season 6 if they have 2 more seasones guaranteed enabling them to distribute the junk content in season 5 without the worry of being canceled for season 6.

  334. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:06 am | Permalink

    Ashara D:
    Hodor’s Bastard,

    As a fan of certain theories concerning Septa Lemore, I hope that she is not cut.

    As a fan of this Septa’s, I truly believe she/you will be there. I can’t imagine otherwise.

  335. Sansa's Knight
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:07 am | Permalink

    WOOHOOOOOOOOO . i just did that when i read the title of the post

  336. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:15 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Wolves Indeed! Crazy. March madness never fails. I hope they don’t change anything with the system. That tourney just works.

    And ya know. I don’t the the Dothraki were unprepared. The wildlings were just totally fucking dominant, and the horde had not faced such a fierce contender. We may as well have been a small army of unsullied beating back the onslaught. It seems your riders have taken some serious steps in firming up their defense. Same with the Pats. I cannot wait for next season. NFC West will rule.

    As for the World Cup. I think US will surprise us all.

  337. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:25 am | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark: As a fan of this Septa’s, I truly believe she/you will be there. I can’t imagine otherwise.

    Sneaky!

  338. hargrind
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:53 am | Permalink

    No One,

    Any reason to believe they have inside information from the set and aren’t just relying on ASOS? Because that has happened before.

  339. Lexyvil
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:17 am | Permalink

    I wonder how they will tackle the fourth and fifth books. I hope they adapt both of them simultaneously like their original format rather than doing AFFC first and then ADWD.

    Nonetheless, it’s extremely awesome to know that the show will keep prevailing and I just hope it keeps the same quality as it has now!

  340. Tyler
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:34 am | Permalink

    Illuminatus:
    Dear George R. R. Martin: “Valar Keyboardis” — All men must type.

    Love that line.

  341. jentario
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:57 am | Permalink

    The_Red_Viper,

    How do we know this isn’t just someone who read the books? What is this article? What’s the source?

  342. jentario
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 4:03 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    I think it’s possible that the want the viewers to root for her in the Kingsmoot, and they don’t want us to see the Kingsmoot with just 100% new characters. If they begin developing her now, they can get us to like her so when she goes over to meet Euron we will already be invested in her.

    Also, I agree about Quentyn, but he is certainly very easy to cut (even if we don’t like it). All you need to do is make someone else free the dragons and work around him in Sunspear. But yeah, I hope we see him.

  343. Exodus
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 4:04 am | Permalink

    Edward James Olmos for Doran Martell. The man has the gravitas, the world weariness and he’s a true thespian.

    Besides, they went for a Latin actor with Pedro Pascal, so it would make perfect sense for his older brother to also be a Latin actor. EJO!

  344. Tori Targaryen
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 4:41 am | Permalink

    Illuminatus,

    Quote of the day lol

  345. Andrés G. Garcia
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 4:43 am | Permalink

    Michael Wincott as Euron Greyjoy or Doran Martell.

    Every other suggestion on these two are wrong!

  346. A Secret Baratheon
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    It does make me laugh when people say “D&D are wrong, it must be eight seasons.”

    You know who knows more about the future and endgame of GoT/ASOIAF than you?

    D&D.

  347. Ser Dontos
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 5:09 am | Permalink

    What a great news. Hope we’ll get TWOW before season 5.
    Today’s also Isaac Hempstead-Wright’s birthday, and next week for Maisie Williams.

  348. TargaryenFire
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 5:41 am | Permalink

    Great News :)!

  349. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:16 am | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    Can you stop repeating yourself in every topic please ? We understand your point, even if you’re wrong. There are so many people who criticize AFFC and ADWD without understanding them. Do you think that Dorne is pointless ? Please read the 4 parts of this essay :

    http://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2014/03/03/water-gardens-and-blood-oranges-part-i-the-viper-and-the-grass/

    Maybe you will reconsider. Dorne is an important part of Martin’s story.

    You can also read the three other essays, about stories of Dany, Jon and Tyrion in ADWD. These two books are the most complex of the series for now, the most difficult to understand. No wonder than the majority of people are confused.

  350. barak
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:24 am | Permalink

    Andrés G. Garcia: Michael Wincott as Euron Greyjoy or Doran Martell.

    Every other suggestion on these two are wrong!

    Finally a casting idea I can fully support. Especially for Euron.

  351. jentario
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:25 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    Oh great! I wasn’t aware of his/her Dorne essays! I also didn’t really read his Tyrion one. I need to catch up.

  352. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:31 am | Permalink

    jentario,

    You’re welcome.

    This blog is the best analysis I ever read on ASOIAF.

  353. Dr Gonzo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:34 am | Permalink

    Summer is Coming,

    /Agree with Summer is Coming that Euron Greyjoy should be played by Mads Mikkelsen just look at this photo and tell me its not Euron Greyjoy. Even though it might be hard to get him, since he is playing Hannibal Lecter in the TV show Hannibal.

  354. Adam
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Fingers crossed The Following gets cancelled soon so they can cast James Purefoy for something.

    …also because that show is terrible.

  355. iggy1eco
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:36 am | Permalink

    Good thing they decided to extend the margin of work up front. Everyone can breathe with relief now…except George. Poor man. Won’t complain though…everytime that happens a stark lies dead and I want them around =p

  356. Chickenduck
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:46 am | Permalink

    Exodus:
    Edward James Olmos for Doran Martell. The man has the gravitas, the world weariness and he’s a true thespian.

    Besides, they went for a Latin actor with Pedro Pascal, so it would make perfect sense for his older brother to also be a Latin actor. EJO!

    I’ve been fancasting him as Doran for years :)

  357. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:47 am | Permalink

    Ghost:
    A little off topic but, has anyone ever seen/read this or know if this stuff is true?

    http://whatculture.com/tv/game-of-thrones-10-actors-who-were-almost-cast.php

    It says that the Mad King was cast and they planned to show flashbacks of Roberts Rebellion but it got cut. It also says that the unaired first pilot had different actors playing Dany and Cat. That’s pretty interesting if it’s true.

    The scene where the Mad King murders Ned’s father and brother was actually filmed for the pilot and several frames of it appear in one of the first trailers for show. Dany and Catelyn were played by other actresses in the original pilot, but were recast when the series were ordered to full season.

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    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:47 am | Permalink

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  359. Alex Greyjoy
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 7:03 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    People are allowed to have an opinion about books/music/movies/theater etc. Some people (me among them) do not like AFFC/ADWD, because we think that those books are worse than the first three. Those books have a lot of filler (some might call it world-building or more intrigue or something) which would not be translated well to the screen, because it includes introducing many new characters and locations and because the influence of it on the overall story isn’t clear (not to us anyway, perhaps D&D know more because they know how this story ends). We will know from the series if any of what happens in Dorne/Iron Islands/Braavos/Meereen/any other new location GRRM decides to dedicate half of TWOW to is actually important.

    I’m glad someone had enough patience to write long essays on why Dorne or Meereen are important, I don’t care enough for those parts of the story to waste my time on them. It’s not because I don’t understand the genius of another generic vaguely oriental/Mediterranean setting, it’s because I was bored out of my mind during every single Dorne and Essos chapter in AFFC/ADWD.

  360. mariamb
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 7:29 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    Thanks for the link to the blog. The post on Dorne is excellent.

    I may be in the minority but I love the Dorne storyline and agree that it is important especially with the introduction of Aegon/FakeAegon. I cheered a bit when I read the reference to Tywin’s possible poisoning in the blog. I love that theory. I’m sure that some of the Dorne characters will be cut. As long as I hear the words, “vengeance, justice, fire and blood”, I will be happy.

  361. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 7:40 am | Permalink

    Alex Greyjoy,

    I understand your point, and I clearly see why AFFC and ADWD are less appealing than the first three books. Introducing new characters after 3 big books was a large risk. But what I can’t bear is that people like Hoyti are always criticizing the story of these books, saying that they are irrelevant for the global story, useless, boring. What ? The story is not over yet. You don’t know if Dorne is relevant or not. You don’t know if the Greyjoys are relevant or not. In my opinion they are going to be extremely important for the rest of the story. As Griff will be. We have to wait and see but I will be very glad when Doran, Euron, Arianne and Griff will be cast.

    And you don’t see the real point. Dorne or Meereen are not so important. Daenerys, Doran and Arianne are. It’s not the setting that matters, it’s the characters inside. These essays focus on these characters’ psychologies, what drive them, what their mistakes are, what their successes are. AFFC or ADWD are very strongly character-driven. Clearly more than the first three books, and it’s why they are less appealing for the broad audience.

  362. Team Homme Moderne
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 8:35 am | Permalink

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  363. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 9:14 am | Permalink

    Well this is quite unprecedented. I don’t think I know of any example of HBO (or Showtime, for that matter) renewing a drama series for two seasons at once. Perhaps 8 seasons is still a possibility as well…

    Summer is Coming,
    Euron Greyjoy – DAVID WENHAM. And please, just not Mads Mikkelsen. He is a fantastic actor, but I just don’t think he is right for Euron.
    Victarion Greyjoy – Liam McIntyre OR Ray Stevenson
    Aeron Greyjoy (if he isn’t cut) – Jonathan Ryan (the priest from season 2)
    Doran Martell – Jimmy Smits OR Edward James Olmos
    Arianne Martell – Aimee Garcia
    Nymeria Sand – Janina Gavankar
    Tyene Sand – Caity Lotz
    Sarella Sand – Karla Crome OR Antonia Thomas
    Quentyn Martell – Christian Antidormi or Nathan McMullen
    Gerris Drinkwater – Matt Stokoe
    Griff – Damian Lewis
    Young Griff – Jaime Campbell Bower OR Robert Sheehan
    Wyman Manderly – Ian McNiece
    Randyll Tarly – David O’Hara
    The Tattered Prince – John Hannah
    Brown Ben Plumm (if he isn’t cut) – Giancarlo Esposito
    Justin Massey (if he isn’t cut), or anything really as long as he is on the show – Joe Gilgun

    Seriously though, David Wenham and Liam McIntyre would be an epic combination for the Greyjoy brothers

    Ser Dosser,
    Possibly, but there was never any fear of it getting cancelled before S6 either way.

    Adam,
    I hate to break it to you, but The Following has already been renewed for a third season.

  364. Josh
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Silver of Wyman:
    Jeff O’Connor,

    What frightens me the most are the Boltons. We have seen a lot of Roose and Ramsay clips in the previews and Michael McElhatton himself has said that they’re going to Winterfell this season.

    He never once said they were going to Winterfell this season.

  365. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:24 am | Permalink

    Im currently rereading AFFC on page 702 and there has yet to be one event. There have been one to two chapters each for dorne and the iron islands, other than that every chapter has been brienne wandering around, jaime wandering around, and cersei bitching. Even if they dont cut dorne and the iron islands (which I think they definitely will) this book just does not make for tv show material.

    I dont know why people have the same complaint of adwd, though. I think adwd is a bridge that gets us much closer to the end game. I think if he hadnt written AFFC wed be in the same spot were in now, except hed be writing ADOS and TWOW would already be out.

    I hope for the sake of the shows survival that they cut all but a couple chapters of affc.

  366. Jeb
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:28 am | Permalink

    Don’t want to be disappointing people, b ut they are not going to introdue 13 or 14 new characters next season. Dorne will probably make it. The Iron Islands, I think will be completely cut, or they might just keep Euron, albeit in a lesser role. I think if they had wanted to introduce the Iron Islands fully, they would have done it this season to reliieve some of the introductions that are necessary next season, but this doesn’t seem to be the case.

  367. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:30 am | Permalink

    Im extremely surprised this debate is happening because on the post where D&D said theyd be doing seven seasons, I argued that adwd had a lot of big moments in it and some plot progression and basically you people wanted to have me executed because you all thought it was a piece of poop. Weird.

  368. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:33 am | Permalink

    Jeb,

    I think it far more likely that Dorne is cut in its entirety, and we get to meet Euron and Victarion, but no kingsmoot. Well probably just get someone saying “Balons brother Euron has been crowned king” and flash to a couple scenes of Euron/Victarion introduction, then show their plot to go get Dany. Not sure how they could be cut when weve got the battle of Meereen happening. Dorne on the other hand… just.. why? I understand people have written essays on why they personally believe Dorne is worthwhile but it just..come on… of course I dont know the ending but I just cant see Dorne making it to the show in a big way. Thats a lot of money on location and casting for an extremely minor, static role.

  369. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:42 am | Permalink

    And for those of you saying the masses dont like AFFC because they dont understand its depth and purpose, fine. Perhaps only the sophisticated can appreciate it but the fact of the matter is that you cant put that books material into a tv show. Maybe grrm thought its character development was necessary, but the tv show is simply going to lose viewers and start doing poorly if they adapt even half of that book. And what were talking about, after all, is the tv show and whats good for it.

    And I dont hate AFFC. I think its entertaining because its still better than the majority of books out there by other authors, but I think that if grrm hadnt wasted time on it wed be much farther along, wouldnt have missed a thing (minus cerseis walk which couldve been in adwd), and there would be no talk of the show finishing before the books.

  370. Alex Dubrovsky
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 10:56 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    The story is not over yet. You don’t know if Dorne is relevant or not. You don’t know if the Greyjoys are relevant or not. In my opinion they are going to be extremely important for the rest of the story. As Griff will be. We have to wait and see but I will be very glad when Doran, Euron, Arianne and Griff will be cast.

    No, I don’t know. You don’t know either and the esteemed author of the blog doesn’t know either, so we are dealing with extrapolations based on what we do know about the story so far. IMVHO and from an experience as a reader of fiction, if a writer can’t make me care about certain parts of the story in ~1800 or something pages of the books (combined length of AFFC and ADWD I have at home), it means one of the two – either this is not important to the story he is trying to tell or the writing sucks.

    I won’t mind any of the characters you’ve mentioned being cast (especially ironborn as you probably can guess from my nickname) and perhaps D&D will make those parts of the story much more interesting than they are in the books. What I do mind is when people say that I don’t understand the story if I don’t like some parts of it.

    FFC or ADWD are very strongly character-driven. Clearly more than the first three books, and it’s why they are less appealing for the broad audience.

    It reminds me of what Lost showrunners were telling about the show after the finale aired, that it was about the characters all along and not about the mysteries. When you write 3 huge story-driven books (or ~120 episodes of a TV show) and then stop the story progression and just add more and more characters, it means you lost your story. Or perhaps there was never any story to begin with, which is hopefully not true in ASOAIF case but was true in Lost case.

  371. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:30 am | Permalink

    Ludo,

    My thoughts exactly.

  372. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Shan,

    Because Arianne will marry Aegon and Aegon is the next person to sit on the iron throne. Arianne is the queen who will destroy Cersei’s reign. All the clues are in the books.

    But I agree that they will surely cut Quentyn (his character is only important to understand the mistakes of Doran Martell) and Arianne’s plot. They can also cut the Sand Snakes. But Doran and Arianne are both important characters.

  373. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:42 am | Permalink

    I want to add that I agree with you that AFFC and ADWD cannot just be translated for the TV show. They need a lot of adaptation. And I think only one season for both books is a good idea. I agree that the writing of Martin in AFFC and ADWD has been too slow at some points (I don’t care about what the characters are eating). But I don’t agree when people say that everything that has been added in these books (Dorne, Iron Islands, Griff, Meereen) are irrelevant for the story, that’s all.

  374. Steel_Wind
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    Ludo:
    Alex Greyjoy,

    As Griff will be. We have to wait and see but I will be very glad when Doran, Euron, Arianne and Griff will be cast.

    And you don’t see the real point. Dorne or Meereen are not so important. Daenerys, Doran and Arianne are.

    The above are not finished thoughts.

    Doran and Arianne are CLEARLY not important . We already know that Griff is a Mummer’s Dragon and a fake, because the people bankrolling him and who were uniquely in possession of his “identity” admit to the reader that they were at all times, backing Viserys first as the heir to the Throne.

    Despite the fact that Griff is not a nut and Viserys was. Despite the fact that Griff, if he was the real Aegon, has the legitimate claim to the throne over Viserys. YEt Illyrio and Varys backed Viserys first with Griff as the fallback plan.

    That tell you all you need to know as to whether or not Griff is a real or false Targ heir. He’s clearly fake.

    It follows then that there is NOTHING that is important about Doran, Arianne or Griff. All of these things are just plot devices to foment war in the South and destabilize Cersei while Dany arrives and The Battle for The Dawn unfolds in the North.

    It follows that D&D can create another plot device as may be required and your analysis flawed.

  375. Ulf the Wolf
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    Illuminatus,

    That one was hilarous lol!!

  376. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    I agree with you, Aegon is not a Targaryen but a Blackfyre pretender. But no, Varys and Illyrio didn’t back Viserys before Aegon. You don’t know what Varys and Illyrio really wanted to achieve by marrying Daenerys to Khal Drogo. Nobody knows. Illyrio makes Viserys a fool during all the first chapters of AGOT. He never wanted Viserys to sit on the iron throne. I don’t think that Aegon was a fallback plan. This is just some speculation that has become the truth in the fanbase. But nobody can really say if it’s true.

  377. Strider
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:18 pm | Permalink

    Adam:
    Fingers crossed The Following gets cancelled soon so they can cast James Purefoy for something.

    Spill it out, man! I’m on the edge of my seat wating to see what you think he’d be a good cast for. I honestly think he’d rock it in almost everything (Patchface might present a problem, and Val as well, undecided about Penny LOL) but I’m so biased it is not even funny.

  378. Strider
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:23 pm | Permalink

    Jen@House Stark: As a fan of this Septa’s, I truly believe she/you will be there. I can’t imagine otherwise.

    Nicely done. Fan of her myself. Cutting her and Tarly would be a might blow to this bookfan. Still expect both characters to have meaning and mess up some of the POV’s storylines properly in Westeros! ! That being said, I’m sure my heart will recover should the impossible occur.

  379. brotherhood
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy,

    you people are nuts if you think dorne and the iron isles are just filler and not important

  380. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:37 pm | Permalink

    Daniellica,

    They are writers, not whores in GRRM’s brothel.

    That made me envision D&D in scantily clad silk lounging on red velvet couches… /shudder

  381. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:42 pm | Permalink

    AnneMarie Bowman,

    What if this is exactly what they plan to do, Film season 5 & 6 concurrently, 20 episodes together at the same time?

    I just don’t see that happening. They’ve said numerous times that just filming 10 episodes a season is horribly exhausting. If they did 20, we’d have to wait an extra 6 months to a year. And that is NOT going to fly with the fandom. It would be dumb from a marketing standpoint as well….us diehard fans would wait but millions of new, somewhat casual fans would probably not. And finally from a financial standpoint, folks like me (of whom I suspect there are many) who cancel their HBO subscriptions between GOT seasons would then be unsubscribed for an even longer period of time…that hits HBO’s bottom line. Seems like there are too many reasons why they won’t do this. HOWEVER, the writing of Season 5 and 6 might occur together or at a minimum overlap.

  382. tysnow
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 12:54 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    If HBO is already committing $130 – $150 million (assuming $65-75million/season) over the next 2 years, the plot outline must be pretty damn compelling. This truly amazing news

    Excellent observation Hodor, you get my Sherlock award for the day.

  383. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm | Permalink

    Hard Truths,
    Zack,
    House Mormont,

    I really didn’t like Penny’s character either. But she is important to Tyrion because he has never lived outside the Westeros world where his family name insulates him from the cruelty he would have suffered because of his stature. Ultimately, Penny is a means to an end. She helps Tyrion learn how to survive as a dwarf with no family, no wealth and damn few friends. I don’t think he could have done it on his own. She also serves as an example of how life would be if he stays living in foreign lands. He realizes his prospects are not as good and never will be. So her example helps to plant an important seed of doubt about his prospects for life on the run. I think if D&D can find a way to make those things happen without a Penny character, all the better. Or maybe they cast her and only have her in a few scenes….condense it all into a few conversations and avoid having her travel with him.

    They’ve done this kind of thing (effectively IMHO) before. Even now, look at how the Dontos and Sansa interaction is playing out. In the books, they met several times and he had to convince her to trust him and eventually leave with him…the show, not having the luxury to have so many scenes AND maybe they didn’t like the whole Florian/Jonquil relationship any more than most readers did…they’ve shortened their interaction considerably. But it will still serve the plot’s purpose.

    Fingers crossed we don’t end up with full-on Penny!

  384. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Oh, Jimmy Smits, I hadn’t thought of him….that might be a great fit! Hmmmmm

  385. GreatJon of Slumber
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 1:58 pm | Permalink

    There are certainly a lot of parts of the 2 books that are truncatable or cuttable.

    Brienne’s journey and Tyrion’s journey. Sam’s journey, to a lesser extent. Some of Dorne, but less than others think. The breakdown of Cersei, though, is ripe for lots and lots of great material with her and Margary and Lady Olenna though, and I hope we see a lot of it. With judicious pruning, the 5th Season I’m sure will end up very very strong.

  386. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    Ludo,

    Can GRRM really afford to spend time with Aegon on the iron throne though? Weve only got two books left and wed have to see Aegon unite with Arianne, take kings landing and end tommens rule, spend some time with arianne ruling, dany comes to the rescue to reveal that aegon is a fake (which we definitely know is happening from HoU), somehow battle with white walkers and jon and danys love story ends up w dany dead and jon on the iron throne after the reveal of his parentage, and we need to spend a lot of time with that, too. That is so much to fit in two books. Why waste time om AFFC? Are you sure the prophecy doesnt refer to Dany? Youre probably right but it just boggles me how hes going to fit this in two books, especially since knowing grrm and given the chapters weve read not much is happening in twow

  387. Dude
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    I think season 5 and 6 will be written at the same time because it will mix affc and adwd and beginning of twow dorne and iron islands won’t be cut instead they can be enhanced with more action or arguments we have scenes like dany telling daario to stop gambling but people think we won’t have a kingsmoot or queenmaker scene or intense scene on the river??? I thought affc was the most complex book in series and had some really interesting themes about religion and fallout from war d&d can always add action to keep things exciting they added like 90 minutes of made up filler dialogue to season 1 I’m sure they can come up with some good scenes to adapt the next two books

  388. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    And nobody better tell me Jon isn’t going to rule because if he wasn’t please tell me what would be the point of bringing him back to life and freeing him of his vows to the nights watch. And his parentage in general. People argue that its just gonna be a “Oh man jon couldve been king but hes dead” sort of thing, but I really dont see why wed have him come back to life and leave the nights watch if he wasnt going to lead the battle w the white walkers, reveal himself as azor ahai/prince that was promised and make something of his parentage in the end. I also dont see jon getting a real death when weve already had this big fakeout death.

    Of course I dont know the ending, I just think you can learn so much about whats going to happen in a story by asking yourself “what would be the point of writing _____ if it didnt mean _______?”

  389. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I think season 5 is gonna be great if they combine affc and adwd into one season. I just think drawing it out into more than that and spending any significant time on dorne, kingsmoot, and brienne/jaime wanderings is a mistake. Since theyve done the blackfish escape well probably just have Jaime and cersei crumbling, him going to riverrun and ultimately deserting her in her time of need. No brienne as shell be hung this season. I think one season will make for a season of the caliber we’re at now.

    Ideally, well have Jon receive the pink letter, make his speech, and get stabbed in 9. Dany deal with some troubles in Meereen (I would expect d and d to add some more exciting stuff as they did in Qarth) and fly away on Drogon in 10. Earlier episode enders might include the reveal of “Aegon”, Tyrion captured by Jorah, Greyjoys announcing plan to sail to Meereen, some cool Arya scenes and presumably some awesome Bran stuff from TWOW. Also, Lysa’s flight and Jon elected LC will be early on IF theyre not going to be in season four. We’ll have Cersei’s troubles with Tyrells throughout the season and her walk around 7 or 8.

    I think it will be fabulous. Two okay books makes for one good season.

    I still maintain that putting in Dorne is tricky, because theyre obviously not going to focus half the season there and its so much extra cost to add that stuff in for a minor role. Ideally, I could see some of the Dornishmen presenting themselves in another location that weve already seen, and they definitely wont cast all of the sandsnakes and co. I dont think well see a kingsmoot, I think well get a Euron as king introduction and some scenes with Victarion.

    Hopefully then theyll be able to adapt TWOW and then the last season(s) is totally theirs to create.
    Maybe Im totally wrong, but this is what I see and I think its a plausible idea the producers would run with.

  390. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:39 pm | Permalink

    tysnow:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Excellent observation Hodor, you get my Sherlock award for the day.

    Yeah! Hopefully that is better than a Darwin award. :)

  391. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:49 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    He’s been included on a long list here, somewhere in the archives when the subject arose about casting. He did get several nods from people here, as did Molina. I’m sure ser Tahu or Darquemode or someone will conjure up the names of those actors again. Actors Esposito, Siddig are busy with other projects, with my last I check.

  392. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    You dare to challenge George Martin ? The man who would have Eddard Stark executed just before he got to have that infamous chat with Jon Snow about his mother ? Or BenJen stating that he’ll have a talk as well when he returned ? The best bet is to hold discreetly the ones you favour the most, or he’ll have them eliminated because he felt like the queen of spades in Alice of Wonderland. Perhaps he’s just a trickster ( : Brave yourself for more killing ) :

    What is the house sigil for house Shan ? Shan refers to________ ?

  393. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:04 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Penny ( dreadful Penny & her pig ) indeed. At times it’s difficult to believe that Mr Martin isn’t just messin’ with our minds , lol. Takes Red Herring to a new dimension .

  394. Shan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:11 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Shan refers to my name because are we not allowed to use our names

    Im too non creative to come up with some abstract asoiaf nickname

  395. Deekan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:27 pm | Permalink

    I would like to add my two groats to the whole affc/adwd debate. Although I do not deny that much (including entire plots) will be removed to adapt for the show, I do think the simple act of changing medias will improve with the viewer opinion just by itself.

    To me, it seems like the main issue (not the only issue) people have the two novels is their vast amounts of internal monologue over the previous books, which can make the books feel like there is a lot more walking or other mundane tasks than actual action.

    Now these issues will be immediately remedied when translated due to the fact that they do not have internal monologues in Game of Thrones. Without all that it is just action all the way through with minor exposition on occasion, and dialogue to convey thoughts and emotions like they do in every season.

    This leaves the actual action that actually happens in the books: 1) Briennes climactic and most likely the first reveal of LS (probably this season). 2) Just Cersei. Her power plays, her paranoia, her capture, her walk of shame, everything. 3) Jon’s beheading of Slynt (unless he dies beforehand), helping the wildlings, his trying to hold the Nights Watch together, and ultimately (in regard to adwd) his stabbing. 4) Dany’s mischievous little black dragon and the fighting pits, and the eventual escape of the other two. 5) Tyrion and his adventures, the Aegon revelation the stone men (fingers crossed), his capture, possibly some kind of plague (bleeding diarrhea might be a bit much though). 6) Iron men? 7) And of course, Varys.

    Should be a good season 5, imo.

  396. Deekan
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 3:45 pm | Permalink

    Deekan,
    Just some minor fixes to my last post:
    Brienne’s climactic fight
    Dany’s failings (minus the boring and her high school love drama hopefully)
    Tyrion’s capture by Jorah the Explorer and their enslavement

  397. Arlborn
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I believe they won’t care to stick to one book per season much from now on. I bet most of the events on AFFC and ADWD will be on season 5 but not all, I think some of them will appear on season 6 in the midst of the content from the next book. Some might even appear this season too. I just find it hard to believe that they will make 2 entire books into one neat season, no matter how much “filler(a term that is arguable) there is in those 2. But hey, I trust them to make it all work out no matter how they choose to proceed.

  398. Ludo
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 6:14 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    The battle against the White Walkers is something really confusing to me. I don’t know who will be their opponents. I can’t say anything about that for now. And I agree that 2 books seems a little light to finish the story. But I’m pretty sure than Aegon and Arianne will end up on the Iron Throne at some point. And that Aegon and Doran will lose against Dany. I can be wrong of course, but there is a lot of foreshadowing for these two specific events.

  399. Jen@House Stark
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    Sister Wrister: Sneaky!

    What, Sister? Sneaky, moi? Lol :)

  400. WildSeed
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:36 pm | Permalink

    GreatJon of Slumber,

    Actor Irrfan Khan’s name was bandied about when the cast speculation lists were discussed here about Dorne. I think he’s quite capable of any role, even a menacing one. However his name submission may be considered too hot, career wise , and especially if the role calls for a lengthy commitment of time. On the other hand, the show runners are trimming the source material for a streamlined screenplay, so if may offer some hope. After all, we got Ciarin Hinds ( remember him ? ) with a flexible schedule. It’s anyone’s guess what features the next major plots will come to pass. I’m trying to remain neutral, however Doran and Arianne remain important characters for me, so I’d hope their portrayals get top treatment.

  401. Greenjones
    Posted April 9, 2014 at 11:45 pm | Permalink

    Has anyone posted this Carice interview, it gives a hint of what we can expect next episode.

    I can’t paste (and thus can’t post links) on AFOIAF but if someone could post it on “the Lion and the Rose” preview thread for me, I’d be thankful!

  402. WildSeed
    Posted April 10, 2014 at 12:02 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    Your words are well met, and I agree whole heartily about the re-invisioned plot lines from hereon. Personally, it’s been difficult for me to speculate for months now. Every turn met with huge gaps or begged more questions. A great show continues to evolve and challenge the audience to pay attention to the finely woven details that allow for a balanced pace and continuity ( even those with foreknowledge may find this sensible ). Even newbies may have less WTF moments. Season four is the game changer for me, with more alterations for future designs.

    The Kings Moot and Asha’s fate , Hardhomme, Stannis & Deepwood Mott Littlefingers’s machinations, all greatly on my mind, but I have to lighten the burden of my overreaching imagination for just appreciating what I can get. I wonder if Tycho Nestoris will make intermittent appearances or become dispensable ? I don’t know how I’ll handle the later ADWD plot lines concerning Cersi’s BFF Merryweather , the high sexton or that cray lady Dustin *>*

  403. No One
    Posted April 10, 2014 at 7:02 am | Permalink

    hargrind,

    Oh no I’m not sure. I had no idea that happened before ._. Well I sure hope it’s true. It would be cruel for them to just tease that and then it doesn’t even happen.

  404. Fatio Corcyn
    Posted April 10, 2014 at 10:09 am | Permalink

    Steel_Wind,

    How can he be the fallback plan when ALL the planning, grooming and education has been put upon him SINCE HIS BIRTH, and virtually no planning went towards Viserys (they just marry his sister off to a Dothraki Horselord, who — as we know — are oh so predictable and obedient and easy to control). Illyrio clearly takes Viserys for a moron (which he is, by the way) in their dialogues, also.

  405. WildSeed
    Posted April 10, 2014 at 10:07 pm | Permalink

    Shan,

    I see. There is another contributor that uses the word/ term in an entirely different way. In fact, I thought you were this person playing around with name changes as some here have been taken to doing. I hope I did not offend.

  406. Unbowed Unbent Unhodor
    Posted April 10, 2014 at 11:22 pm | Permalink

    woo!:)

  407. loco73
    Posted April 11, 2014 at 4:29 am | Permalink

    Late to the party…but whatever… Good news indeed! I am glad for al the people involved in the making of this show, cast, crew, writers and producers! Congratulations indeed and may we look forward to good years ahead!

    Oh yeah! In so far as casting… Tom Cruise as Drogon’s turd! They already cast Andy Dick as the carcasse in Episode 401!!!!!

  408. Ashton Lee
    Posted April 12, 2014 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    House Mormont,

    Since Javier Bardem is too big a name, what about his long-lost twin Jeffrey Dean Morgan?

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