Kit Harington teases a cold ending to Season 4 for Jon Snow
By Lightbringer on in Interview.

Last Sunday Jon Snow stood up to those mulling his execution in the Season 4 premiere, and took another step toward being a leader among his brothers at Castle Black. Jon knows what he must do to protect the realm, but Kit Harington tells Zap2it that he can’t be a hero straight away.

“What I want to do with Jon is that he can’t be a hero straight away, and that’s what the writers are doing as well. He has to learn. I think this season he really starts learning. He starts being able to control his temper more, which he’s not been so good at in the past.”

Kit talks more about that control in another new interview with The Daily Beast. Kit says that if the confrontation had taken place a few seasons ago, it would have gone much differently.

“He’s learned to control himself. If he’d been placed in that position in the first season he’d probably explode, like in the scene where he attacks Alliser Thorne and tries to knife him. This is a very different Jon. He’s in front of the council and basically says, “Kill me, or get on with it,” and doesn’t lose his temper. That’s what he’s learned from essentially being a spy for two years.”

As Jon snow continues to learn throughout Season 4, Kit reveals that his biggest development will come at the end, which sees Jon become a cold person.

“I think the biggest development that’s ever happened to him happens at the end of this season. There’s a specific scene at the end of this season where you see a real coldness in him, and that comes from various things that have happened this season—not least by the start of the season where we learn that his whole family is dead. He really chooses his side and grows up in a way where there’s no sentimentality left. I think he’s been quite sentimental in the past about things, but this season, there’s no fucking around with it. By the end, he’s a cold person. ”

For more from Kit’s interview with Zap2it including how Jon feels about Alliser Thorne and Janos Slynt, click here. For more from Kit’s interview with The Daily Beast including Jon Snow’s luck with the ladies, and being a foil to Theon Greyjoy click here.


82 Comments

  1. Jenny of oldstones
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:08 pm | Permalink

    Hodor!

  2. haltwhogoesthere
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:10 pm | Permalink

    LOL I think he’s confusing story time with real time.

  3. Angel
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:12 pm | Permalink

    Has he been told his family is dead?

  4. K26dp
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:15 pm | Permalink

    Angel:
    Has he been told his family is dead?

    Based on his conversation with Sam in Ep. 401, he clearly had been told about Robb.

  5. TFT
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Permalink

    This is the second time I’ve seen Kit say he was a spy for two years… How long does it take in the books? Because I’ve got the feeling he’d been a spy for two months max, maybe three if you really think about the distances they have to walk.

  6. Turri
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    He’ll be an even colder person at the end of ADWD

  7. Dolorous Ned
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:29 pm | Permalink

    There’s a specific scene at the end of this season where you see a real coldness in him

    The baby swap? But we haven’t heard anything about Dalla being cast.

  8. Gage
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:30 pm | Permalink

    Could he be referring to the “fetch me a block” scene? Sure hope so. I can’t wait to see that

  9. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:32 pm | Permalink

    Turri:
    He’ll be an even colder person at the end of ADWD

    Funny! (but he ain’t dead yet!)

    I think he will kill Ygritte (perhaps as she is about to kill Sam) in ep409 and has to live with it.

  10. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:38 pm | Permalink

    I have no idea what Kit is referring to. My guess is him capturing Mance after Mance’s plea to Jon to have the Nights Watch “open the gates and let them pass”

  11. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:40 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: Funny!(but he ain’t dead yet!)

    I think he will kill Ygritte (perhaps as she is about to kill Sam) in ep409 and has to live with it.

    Blasphemy. Would be akin to character assassination for show only viewers

  12. wizardeyes
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:44 pm | Permalink

    Gage,

    I can’t wait to see that either but I’m not expecting it til season 5.

  13. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:47 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Blasphemy. Would be akin to character assassination for show only viewers

    How so? If your “girlfriend” was about to kill your best friend in the middle of an intense battle, what would you do…and how would you feel about it? How is that “character assassination?”

  14. sjwenings
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:48 pm | Permalink

    OT: It appears that Beioff and Weiss are preparing for the end of GoT

    http://thewertzone.blogspot.no/2014/04/benioff-and-weiss-line-up-first-post.html

    Kind of. I think this might be another hint towards 7 seasons being the likely goal. And definitely no breaks in between seasons, or prequel seasons to give GRRM more time for that matter.

  15. Ser Blount Sarkasm
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    After watching the premiere, I was also left wondering how much he knew about the events that transpired. Does he know how Robb died? Does he know about what happened at Craster’s Keep? Did Sam tell him he met Bran heading out beyond the wall? Sam and the Walker?

  16. jentario
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:01 pm | Permalink

    I think we will see Jon become cold after Ygritte’s death and his rise to command. Some Jon-Stannis interaction, might be what he’s talking about coldness. Maybe interaction with Sam or something. Or maybe we will see Mance’s burning. Could Tormund replace Mance in going to Winterfell, I wonder?

  17. Steven
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    I figured he was talking about sending Sam away. Is the timing not right for that?

  18. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:09 pm | Permalink

    He refers to Jon not being sentimental. Is refusing Winterfell really a “cold” move, though? It’s so damn difficult to predict what is going to happen, since the battle won’t be until episode 9, and I assume he won’t be elected LC until early next season. I suppose he could kill Ygritte, but that seems like a foolish alteration. I guess we will have to wait and see.

  19. TFT
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:10 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings:
    OT: It appears that Beioff and Weiss are preparing for the end of GoT

    http://thewertzone.blogspot.no/2014/04/benioff-and-weiss-line-up-first-post.html

    Kind of. I think this might be another hint towards 7 seasons being the likely goal. And definitely no breaks in between seasons, or prequel seasons to give GRRM more time for that matter.

    I think it’s so stupid that they focus on seven seasons. Then why didn’t they focus on six seasons in 2011? If book 3 required two seasons, how do they know already how many seasons books 6 and 7 require? I’m all okay with seven seasons, as long as everything is covered. And with that I mean that they can’t omit events like the Red wedding, Blackwater, the Battle of Meereen or anything big. They main know the general storylines of books 6 and 7, but they can’t really know the specifics yet I think.

    I hope they still have a potential 8th or 9th season in mind. It’s all about the story, not about the length. It would be a dissapointment if only bits and pieces of the remaining books will be covered, especially after the excellent adaptions of books 1 – 3.

  20. Bill
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Turri:
    He’ll be an even colder person at the end of ADWD

    Ha, ha, ha.

  21. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:14 pm | Permalink

    Do we get to see Jon Snow flaunt his skills with the ladies in Season 4?

    That would be a massive spoiler alert! He’d be breaking his vows quite a bit if he does!

    The curly haired whelp thinks he can try and steal Mel away from a real man like Stannis…

  22. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    TFT,

    The problem with going beyond 7 seasons is that actors will be able to re negotiate their contracts. Game of Thrones cost $6million per episode to film. Now imagine If Emilia Clarke and Peter Dinklage’s agents demanded to be paid $1million per episode. The quality of the show would fall drastically as there would be budget compromises elsewhere

  23. cosca
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:18 pm | Permalink

    TFT,

    Thing is, it’s impossible to know the specifics for TWOW and ADOS, because they haven’t been written, and won’t be finished by the time they start writing Season 6 (next year). Given that they’ll only be working off a half finished manuscript for TWOW, and rough notes for ADOS, 7 seasons is reasonable. As for Feast/Dance, massive cutting is wholly necessary, as the innumerable story lines in those books, as well as the travelogue and endless inner monologue, would make for a complete mess

  24. cosca
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    TFT,

    Thing is, it’s impossible to know the specifics for TWOW and ADOS, because they haven’t been written, and won’t be finished by the time they start writing Season 6 (next year). Given that they’ll only be working off a half finished manuscript for TWOW, and rough notes for ADOS, 7 seasons is reasonable. As for Feast/Dance, massive cutting is wholly necessary, as the innumerable story lines in those books, as well as the travelogue and endless inner monologue, would make for a complete mess
    TFT,

    Thing is, it’s impossible to know the specifics for TWOW and ADOS, because they haven’t been written, and won’t be finished by the time they start writing Season 6 (next year). Given that they’ll only be working off a half finished manuscript for TWOW, and rough notes for ADOS, 7 seasons is reasonable. As for Feast/Dance, massive cutting is wholly necessary, as the innumerable story li

  25. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:21 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: How so? If your “girlfriend” was about to kill your best friend in the middle of an intense battle, what would you do…and how would you feel about it? How is that “character assassination?”

    Because many show fans are big fans of Ygritte and will not forgive Jon for killing her. Also, why make an unnecessary deviation from the books like that?

  26. SHK12344
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:26 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Because many show fans are big fans of Ygritte and will not forgive Jon for killing her. Also, why make an unnecessary deviation from the books like that?

    Yep, there is no reason for the producers to deviate from the book with regard to Ygritte. At the end of season 4, Jon, Mance, Sam, Ygritte, Janos Slynt will be end up in same place in the book. The path may differ some what, but the end point will be same.

  27. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:28 pm | Permalink

    i liked him better in the pilot where he had short hair and was clean shaved.

    He looks more like a girl now than Arya does with his curly hair and emo half mustache.

    TV show Jon looks nothing like the Jon from the books.

  28. Morna the Witch
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:31 pm | Permalink

    I honestly believe the coldness refers to Janos being beheaded. the other suggestions are interesting to ponder though.

  29. sjwenings
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    TFT: how do they know already how many seasons books 6 and 7 require?

    Maybe they just don’t care.

    Because Grrm will almost definitely not have both those books ready or near ready in just a few years, they’ll probably just base the final two seasons on the outlines – at least as far as ADOS is concerned, and just make up more stuff than usual on their own. Meaning – yes – that important stuff George ends up writing won’t be in them.

  30. TFT
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:36 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak:
    TFT,

    The problem with going beyond 7 seasons is that actors will be able to re negotiate their contracts. Game of Thrones cost $6million per episode to film. Now imagine If Emilia Clarke and Peter Dinklage’s agents demanded to be paid $1million per episode. The quality of the show would fall drastically as there would be budget compromises elsewhere

    I often hear fans say this but I’ve yet to see an official source, and a quote where someone important says that it’s actually a problem if an extra season beyond the seventh is needed. I think fans are just using each other as a source. No offence, btw. :)

    cosca:
    TFT,

    Thing is, it’s impossible to know the specifics for TWOW and ADOS, because they haven’t been written, and won’t be finished by the time they start writing Season 6 (next year). Given that they’ll only be working off a half finished manuscript for TWOW, and rough notes for ADOS, 7 seasons is reasonable. As for Feast/Dance, massive cutting is wholly necessary, as the innumerable story lines in those books, as well as the travelogue and endless inner monologue, would make for a complete mess

    Yeah, I’m aware. But when season 5 has started, and when D&D start writing season 6, they MAY conclude that book 6 needs two seasons because TWOW may be almost done by then (yeah, I know, GRRM is a snail, but you never know). And then they are only giving it one anyway, because they are fixed on seven seasons now already.

    But recently, at the red carpet they said the exact number of seasons is not yet sure. It may still be eight. I just wish everything important to be covered, whether it needs seven or eight seasons.

  31. wizardeyes
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Morna the Witch,

    That would mean quite alot would have to happen before that. Jon would have to already be LC – he doesn’t have the authority to behead someone if he doesn’t. And Janos would have to openly defy him. Is there room for that in season 4? Seems like an early season 5 thing to me…

  32. BOB
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:40 pm | Permalink

    7 seasons is more than enough time to get every detail of every major plot point. feast and dance were mostly descriptions of food anyway

  33. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:42 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak: Because many show fans are big fans of Ygritte and will not forgive Jon for killing her. Also, why make an unnecessary deviation from the books like that?

    In ASoS, he never really knew who shot the arrow that killed her…and at first, until he inspected the deadly arrow, he did think it was he who killed her in the siege. In any case, someone’s got to kill her…and the showrunners haven’t really held back thus far. We’ll see. If Ygritte lives and amalgamates Val, that would be blasphemy, imo.

  34. Summer
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:44 pm | Permalink

    sjwenings:
    OT: It appears that Beioff and Weiss are preparing for the end of GoT

    http://thewertzone.blogspot.no/2014/04/benioff-and-weiss-line-up-first-post.html

    Kind of. I think this might be another hint towards 7 seasons being the likely goal. And definitely no breaks in between seasons, or prequel seasons to give GRRM more time for that matter.

    Maybe FOX asked them to do it. Or maybe this is just D&D securing this project before someone else takes off with it. This indicates nothing. The adaption of this 1995 book may be airing in 2025 for all we know.

  35. jentario
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:45 pm | Permalink

    BOB,

    I wouldn’t say “more than enough time”. They couldn’t possibly do it in less than 7 seasons.

  36. cosca
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:47 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    People got over Jaime pushing Bran out a window, I think they’ll get over that. Particularly if She’s about to kill Sam as others have suggested.It might even make him more interesting.

  37. Morna the Witch
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:48 pm | Permalink

    Wizard Eyes

    That’s true. It’s just with all rampant info we’re getting the impression is given of a lot of story line moving ahead. I forgot that that scene is in aDwD.

    Hoyti von Toyti

    I also liked beardless Jon in the pilot, but the producers asked Kit to grow it out. It’s a shame you think he looks like a welp WITH the beard though. I have the opposite impression. Oh and, spoiler tags.

        

  38. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    BOB:
    7 seasons is more than enough time to get every detail of every major plot point. feast and dance were mostly descriptions of food anyway

    You’re probably right, but as has been stated, we really don’t know how much is going to happen in the final two books. Frankly, I have a hard time believing A Dream of Spring won’t have as many major events as A Storm of Swords did, you know? Lots of eggs in the air.

    I think the big thing here is, how many of those eggs were laid in A Feast for Crows/A Dance with Dragons and will be omitted from the show? That’s a very important question. If a great enough number of plots we won’t see on-screen are responsible for the relative size of the final two volumes then truncating each to one season is likely a lot more manageable.

  39. Morna the Witch
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    Wizard Eyes

    That’s true. It’s just with all rampant info we’re getting the impression is given of a lot of story line moving ahead. I forgot that that scene is in aDwD.

    Hoyti von Toyti

    I also liked beardless Jon in the pilot, but the producers asked Kit to grow it out. It’s a shame you think he looks like a whelp WITH the beard though. I have the opposite impression. Oh, and spoiler tags.

    The women Jon may be interacting with could include Gilly, the Molestown Madame and Mel, apart from Ygritte of course     

  40. jentario
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    TFT,

    Don’t expect more than 7. Maybe they’ll come out and surprise you with an eighth season, and that will be a good thing, but don’t set yourself up for disappointment. The best thing to hope for is an extended season 7 a la Breaking Bad (two 8 episode half seasons? that would be the absolute max, I assume, so even that isn’t very likely).

  41. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 2:53 pm | Permalink

    If Season 7 gets an extension I’m betting on two 7-episode stints for 14 total. Because, you know, “symbolism.”*

    *Which is what they’ll say, but it’ll just have happened that way.

  42. adense
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:01 pm | Permalink

    I actually hope they don’t go beyond 7 seasons. The story needs to accelerate near the end. Seasons 5,6 and 7 should be faster phased and more intense than Seasons 1,2 and 3.

    Season 3 was bad enough as it is. Sure, it had several of the coolest moments in the whole show, but the plot certainly lost momentum compared to Season 2.

    Hopefully Season 4 and beyond will pick up the phase again!

  43. Tatters
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:09 pm | Permalink

    adense,

    It sounds like you need to read the books again, they are anything but fast paced, and i have no idea D&D are going to cut them short, it is going to get messy.

  44. Dark Heart
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:19 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    That would work well alongside Tyrion and Dany’s arc, as all 3 of them would be making a shocking decision by the end of the season. That would really toy with the Unsullieds reactions.

  45. Angelo
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:34 pm | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Actually, the actors have a 6-year contract.
    They want to wrap it up because younger actors are getting older (and it would be complicated to substituted them, like they did Daario). Plus, they might want to work in something else instead of doing the same series for a better part of a decade of their lives. And finally, HBO doesn’t have a history of long series. Even Sopranos, which was very successful, ended when they couple keep going for a few more years.
    Also, they way Game of Thrones is cutting here, changing there and can’t include all storylines and locales in the books, they don’t really have material to keep the show going for much more time. At least in a format attractive to a TV audience.

  46. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Tatters:
    It sounds like you need to read the books again, they are anything but fast paced, and i have no idea how D&D are going to cut them short, it is going to get messy.

    If by “messy” you mean awesome, mind-blowing, exhilarating fun and adventure (focusing on the major plot points), then I am in complete agreement. :)

    Dark Heart,
    *Goosebumps!*

    Enjoy tonight’s episode! PW!…(or BW!)

  47. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    “People got over Jaime pushing Bran out a window”

    Tell that to Larry Williams

  48. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Angelo,

    I’ve heard that the 7th year works as a sort of option year with a pay raise. That’s why people talk about the GOT actors contracts using 7 years instead of 6

  49. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:42 pm | Permalink

    I’m glad thet it’s going to be 7 seasons because that means i don’t have to put up with much shitty, boring, garbage filler from the last two books and moving the plot along faster than Martin ever did .

  50. adense
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:43 pm | Permalink

    Tatters:
    adense,

    It sounds like you need to read the books again, they are anything but fast paced, and i have no idea D&D are going to cut them short, it is going to get messy.

    I almost quit reading the series completely halfway through Feast. The plot was building up nicely the first three books, and then all of a sudden everything stagnates and it didn’t feel like any of the plots I cared about progressed.

    It is my personal belief that Feast+Dance arc will translate worse to TV than it did in book format, UNLESS they cut and rewrite it at lot. I hope that they bring the beginning of Winds into the end of Season 5.

    It is also my impression, judging from having spoken to my Unsullied friends, that TV-only viewers in general wants each season to be more intense than the last.

    Of course the only way to know how it turns out is to keep watching. Regardless of how it ends up, it’ll still be my favorite TV show and book series.

  51. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    There was definitely a lot of filler in A Feast For Crows. I just hope D&D find a way to keep Dorne and the Greyjoy brothers. I would be disappointed if they were cut

  52. WildSeed
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:49 pm | Permalink

    Jon-boy has been a spy for 2 years , who knew ? If someone misses an opportunity to eliminate Ygritte’s character, I may just have to kill her myself *>* . If this year’s premise contains yet another Game of Romance theme, then I’m likely to take an overdose of Milk of the Poppy.

  53. Zack
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    I thought S4E1 was one of Kit’s strongest episodes to date. I wasn’t a fan at all in S2 or 3.

    So I’m hoping returning to Castle Black and all the exciting stuff that happens there is able to sustain the same level of quality. I feel good about it and am quite excited to see his arc this year. He seems to be a fan of the material this season, too.

  54. Cerb
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    I often hear fans say this but I’ve yet to see an official source, and a quote where someone important says that it’s actually a problem if an extra season beyond the seventh is needed. I think fans are just using each other as a source. No offence, btw. :)

    Well, it is a fact that the contract of an actor can’t be negotiated for more than 7 years (De Havilland Law). And since you can’t easily recast a main character at that point the actors/their agents have incredible leverage if they have to negotiate a new contract at that point with a show as successful as this. This usually means it gets pretty expensive. Doesn’t mean there couldn’t be 8 seasons, it just makes it less likely.

  55. GeorgerrmartinFan
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    What are you talking about! Thionk about Mr. MArtin JUST FOR ONCE!

    To do the books justice, books 4, 5, 6 and 7 should each have two seasons as well, just as book 3. That was for the better compared to seasons 1 and 2.

    So season 5 should be the first half of book 4 (actually the first quarter along with the first quarter of book 5) making a total of 12 seasons at the end. Maybe also a movie for the epicness that will be book 7.

    Maybe D&D will stop after season 7 and a few children wil need to be recast but I’m pretty sure it will be 12 seasons. :)

  56. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:01 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed:
    Jon-boy has been a spy for 2 years , who knew ? If someone misses an opportunity to eliminate Ygritte’s character, I may just have to kill her myself*>* . If this year’s premise contains yet another Game of Romance theme, then I’m likely to take an overdose of Milk of the Poppy.

    WildSeed, welcome! Get your potions ready because Olenna and Pycelle are due to get hot and heavy soon.

  57. Zack
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    GeorgerrmartinFan:
    What are you talking about! Thionk about Mr. MArtin JUST FOR ONCE!

    To do the books justice, books 4, 5, 6 and 7 should each have two seasons as well, just as book 3. That was for the better compared to seasons 1 and 2.

    So season 5 should be the first half of book 4 (actually the first quarter along with the first quarter of book 5) making a total of 12 seasons at the end. Maybe also a movie for the epicness that will be book 7.

    Maybe D&D will stop after season 7 and a few children wil need to be recast but I’m pretty sure it will be 12 seasons. :)

    What’s it like living on Mars? ;)

  58. GeorgerrmartinFan
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Zack: What’s it like living on Mars? ;)

    Oh, you’re one of these guys… “noooo because unsullied are not ging to watch Dany in Meereen for 4 seasons”… So they ARE willing to see Cersei sitting on her ass in Kings Landing for 4/5 seasons, but they can’t handle Dany (who is more popular than Cersei) sitting in Meereen for 4 seasons? Please…

  59. adense
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Zack: What’s it like living on Mars? ;)

    I think it’s important for HBO to consider its Martian subscriber base too.

  60. Tyrionisthebest
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    GeorgerrmartinFan,

    George is that you ? Write Winds faster you fat bastard !

  61. SHK12344
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:23 pm | Permalink

    adense: I think it’s important for HBO to consider its Martian subscriber base too.

    Only thing HBO will be thinking about is money. If they could make money doing GoT for 20 years, then they would do it just like what FOX is doing with the Simpsons.

    But given the size and cost of doing GOT, it’s almost certain that HBO will limit the show to 7 seasons.

    What GRRM fan base wants is completely irrelevant to HBO

  62. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:26 pm | Permalink

    GeorgerrmartinFan,

    Wait. Not sure if serious. I just assumed your first post was being facetious.

  63. GeorgerrmartinFan
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Yeah I always get in a trolly/crazy mood if GoT is about to air.

    Seven seasons is fine, although eight may be better. May be.

  64. Clob
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:43 pm | Permalink

    Angel,

    Yes, he knows about Robb and his mother. That was the background of the conversation between he and Sam before his “trial” in episode 1.

  65. Tatters
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:49 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I bet one episode Dany kills all Yunkaii, then she goes to Braavos and hire the faceless men and women, kills Cersei and all her children.
    Unfortunaly the warlocks has secured the magical imp in a boat to Pentos, where he finds his father, tysha and gerion in a threesome.
    Luckily the warlock reveals himself to be Euron Bloodraven, a wizard which tried to kill Dany with his kraken member when she was a small child. Ser Jorah and a mysterious figure named strong-cold-hands-belwas, saved her, and has been her watchful guardians ever since- securing her every triumph.
    Dany goes on a feminist outrage when she hears about from hand-belwas, and bans ser Jorah.
    He then finds Euron and Tywin cooperating the iron bank together.
    Jorah spends half an episode dueling Gerion, scourging his butthole until he finds Tyrion for him.

    The magic imp sits in a brothel with Samwell Tarly in Braavos.
    Ser Jorah then pinches the imp to reveal where his neverending supply of wildfire sits. The imp explains that is neatly placed under the iron bank, but wont kill his father after all, since he gave Arya Stark as his mummer performer, where as now Tyrion and Arya perform a play version of the war of the five kings every evening for his fathers bannermen.
    Ser Jorah, having seen Arya at Winterfell, reveals that this girl is in fact not Arya, but a faceless girl Tywin befriended years ago.
    Tyrion goes on a rage, blowing up Braavos from the inside out.
    Euron Bloodraven dies and so does every person in the city.

    Days later Jorah is found floating down the Rhoyne.
    He is found by a gang of stone men, which takes him to their shrouded lady, which is undead Cat stark. He is hanged screaming Khaleesi.
    End of season 4

  66. Dorne tootin'
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    TFT:
    This is the second time I’ve seen Kit say he was a spy for two years… How long does it take in the books? Because I’ve got the feeling he’d been a spy for two months max, maybe three if you really think about the distances they have to walk.

    I think book time was around 6 months. It is not easy to tell sometimes, so I may have that wrong, but I think it was closer to that than 2 years.

  67. Seanathn
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 4:56 pm | Permalink

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Ya I’m thinking toll as well. 7 or 8 it will be great, and just because you have secured your next project doesn’t mean you are going to bail from something you have dedicated almost ten years to so far.

  68. Tatters
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:02 pm | Permalink

    Tyrionisthebest,

    Im happy someone enjoyed it, that last paragraph took me some years.
    A real cracker.
    Don’t think i would have made without my faithful Nfl. It would have been to much, too many knots.

  69. jentario
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:14 pm | Permalink

    GeorgerrmartinFan,

    If they cut Dorne and the Iron Islands, they might as well just go for 7 fast paced seasons. If they include either or both of these storylines (which in my opinion they should and I think they will- one at least), 7 seasons becomes a rushed suggestion. If they plan on extending the last season by 2-6 episodes, I think it could definitely be enough (though 8 seasons would allow it some more breathing room).

    I always said 8 is on the money, and I’ll stick to that, but we ARE getting 7 and there’s no reason to have false hope… I will now gear all false hope into an extended season 7.

  70. cosca
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    6/10, needed more neeps and nuncles.

  71. Jeff O'Connor
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:19 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    GeorgerrmartinFan,

    If they cut Dorne and the Iron Islands, they might as well just go for 7 fast paced seasons. If they include either or both of these storylines (which in my opinion they should and I think they will- one at least), 7 seasons becomes a rushed suggestion. If they plan on extending the last season by 2-6 episodes, I think it could definitely be enough (though 8 seasons would allow it some more breathing room).

    I always said 8 is on the money, and I’ll stick to that, but we ARE getting 7 and there’s no reason to have false hope… I will now gear all false hope into an extended season 7.

    Ditto.

  72. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:24 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    Yeah, something like that…except with more turtles.

  73. Tatters
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:26 pm | Permalink

    cosca,

    Quite a shame, but words are wind and is as useless as nipples on a breastplate.

  74. Turncloak
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:29 pm | Permalink

    Tatters,

    “Hodor”, murmured Hodor as he slumped into his seat. His legs were aching from climbing these steps so many times. He thought back on his betrayal. Everyone had thought him a simple stable boy. Little did they know that Hodor was playing them all for fools. No one had expected him to smite the Wolves and the Lions. No one had expected a simpleton to tame the Dragon.

    “Your Grace?” asked the Hand. “How shall we deal with the threat of the Hot Pie? With the White Walkers coming to his cause, they hold superiority on both land and sea. How can we possibly defeat them?”. Hodor looked at his Hand. “Hodor. Hodor? Hodor Hodor Hodor! Hodor”, snapped Hodor. “Yes, your Grace.” Stannis scurried out. Only the King and the Lord Commander of his King’s Guard remained in the hall. “Hodor”. “Corn?”, replied Mormont’s raven. Hodor look at him deeply. “Hodor”, said Hodor gloomily. Hodor felt fear run through him. How could he possibly defeat the Hot Pie in single combat? The Great Other was no one Hodor wished to face, but he could not meekly surrender the Kingdom of Men.

  75. Dude
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    I still think a final movie to wrap things up would solve every issue such as contracts, budget, time to write for grrm , etc. The child actors gettin older isnt an issue since they r all near 18 anyway they wnt change tht much game of thrones looks so good on tv I can’t imagine how awesome it would be with a huge budget the final moments of the story are bound to be just bkackwater times 20 I don’t think the show will be able to handle it I know the idea is constantly considered so I know I’m not crazy although grrm said somethin similarso there goes my credibility

  76. Igor Veloso
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 5:54 pm | Permalink

    He’s never been the warmest of the bunch, but to be a leader in those conditions and be a survivor that’s pretty much what he’s got to be. I’m sure Sam will be around to keep him in touch with the warm and fuzzy part.

  77. House Mormont
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 6:00 pm | Permalink

    No one can really predict how the renewal of the contracts is going to go

    All the agents will push for more, only Peter and Lena get paid a real sum, and everyone else gets paid dirt in comparison, from what I’ve heard. We know Lena loves Cersei too much to ever be a problem, the same with Sophie and Gwendoline really, Emilia and Kit are book fans, but other than that all hell could break loose. Especially with Peter.

  78. WildSeed
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 6:15 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Oh great ! No doubt she’d plan a poisoned potion before he removes his maester chains. Lady Olenna can spot a complicit fool like Pycelle a mile away. Still, your imagination gave me a chuckle. Absolutely superb actor, though. I really enjoyed him in BBC’s ” Spies of Warsaw “.

  79. wizardeyes
    Posted April 13, 2014 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    GeorgerrmartinFan,

    You’re welcome to your opinion and everything but there’s just no way that is going to happen. 12 seasons is just too much. 2 seasons for FFC and DWD EACH!? I love both of those books but I think they should be combined and streamlined to make one epic season (season 5). If season 5 is going to be the first 1/4 of FFC and DWD then what’s going to be the finale? The epic event, the shocking moment everyone is talking about? To make a truly epic, memorable season they’re gonna need some of the big gun moments at the end of DWD for the finale.

  80. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 14, 2014 at 5:48 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Y’all have succeeded in making me queezy… No easy feat. Oh, and jonny bench called.

  81. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 14, 2014 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Tyrionisthebest,

    A wise man once said, nothing you say before the word ‘but’ even matters.

    I’m on board with Jon killing ygritte, maybe just finishing the job… This will be a tough decision. Plus he will have to assume command during the battle. This is more than enough leadership for him to take in this season

    All the other suggestions posted will take place in season 5, and all your base are mine.

  82. Sister Wrister
    Posted April 14, 2014 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    WildSeed,

    Sorry, that should’ve been addressed to you AND HB. More so to his comment. Yeeeashhh…

    Jonny bench called, again.


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