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Season 4, Episode 2 – The Lion and the Rose – Open Chat

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It’s Joff and Margaery’s big day! The viewers, and the who’s who of Westeros are invited to tonight’s Royal Wedding. We’ll also see the return of some fan favorites that were missing in last week’s premiere. Discuss the second episode of Season 4 with fellow fans and look forward to our recap later tonight. Episode details are after the break.

Writer: George R.R. Martin
Director: Alex Graves
Runtime: 53 minutes
Synopsis: Tyrion lends Jaime a hand. Joffrey and Margaery host a breakfast. At Dragonstone, Stannis loses patience with Davos. Ramsay finds a purpose for his pet. North of the Wall, Bran sees where they must go.
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  • Only 53 minutes? Also, (and just putting this in spoilers to be sensitive) didn’t one of the pre-season teaser videos (I believe the one that was 15 minutes long) say that the wedding would take up about 30 minutes of the episode? If so, that means very little content outside of King’s Landing… not that I’m complaining. Great day for a wedding!

  • Jack Gleeson does a magnificent job at making Joffrey look like a complete d bag. His grin LOL

  • Joff looks as close to happy as he ever has in that photo (minus the killing helpless people exceptions).

  • Look at the happy couple. Almost chokes me up to see Joff finally becoming a man… it certainly does him

  • I WISH sky would show the episodes at the same time as in the US every week! Considering staying up to twitter and tumblr explode with joy when things turn purple…

  • Can’t wait till this episode airs! Gonna have to see it half a day in delay but it’s worth it, I’ll just have to go to sleep really early so the next day comes sooner lol. At least he gets a goodbye kiss by his queen before he goes…

  • Annoyed that the episodes aren’t being aired at 2am for the whole series. Sky giveth and Sky taketh away

    Lets hope Tyrion spilling his wine stays true to the books. However this plays out if they don’t make his innocence ambiguous I’m gonna be disappointed. Gods some people I talk to still think he’s guilty after his comment to Jaime

  • I think that many book readers are expecting a more intense reaction to this episode by the Unsullied than will actually be forthcoming.

  • Alan Lovejoy:
    I think that many book readers are expecting a more intense reaction to this episode by the Unsullied than will actually be forthcoming.

    Your wrong. People won’t look at bran the same again after tonight

  • I wonder how many “Wait, Joffrey has a brother?” posts we’re going to get after tonight.

  • Alan Lovejoy:
    I think that many book readers are expecting a more intense reaction to this episode by the Unsullied than will actually be forthcoming.

    I think I agree. There really isn’t a comparison with it to the RW in shock factor. For one, the ‘climax’ isn’t to nearly the same degree. Secondly, most viewers want to see what happens happen, but I think they’ll be disappointed in the method in which it does happen. Not nearly big, gruesome, painful, etc.

  • Alan Lovejoy:
    I think that many book readers are expecting a more intense reaction to this episode by the Unsullied than will actually be forthcoming.

    You underestimate the power of Reek.

    Seriously, he stinks.

  • The music will play loud and the wine will flow purple.

    I can’t wait!

    Especially once the episode is over and I can come back online and see the reactions.

  • Wonder how gruesome the choking scene will be (if that is indeed what happens? In a preview I saw Cersei look upset looking up from someone on the ground, but she didn’t look that upset like something horrible was happening. Basically I hope he chokes the way he does in the books :)Is that bad that I want it to be truly horrible death?

  • Right… because the Unsullied are so used to seeing their LEAST favorite characters dying that they will just shrug their shoulders. Not. They might know he won´t make it long, but no one will expect it in ep 2. I´m stoked to see the reactions!

  • Settling in with my Fire and Blood Ale waiting for my kids to bring home the “Every F*#$ing Chicken in the Room” meal deal from KFC.

    (No, really…)

    Can’t wait to see the Twitter update next week!

  • Sorry, no dwarf jousting. I saw in an interview that they wanted it, but it’s not actually that easy to train a pig for riding. I’m sure the primary entertainment will be something horrible and probably something dwarf-related, but it won’t be exactly what’s in the book.

  • Looking at Marg, I’m glad somebody took George’s criticism about the lack of helmets on the show seriously

  • hinesy24:
    Sorry, no dwarf jousting.I saw in an interview that they wanted it, but it’s not actually that easy to train a pig for riding.I’m sure the primary entertainment will be something horrible and probably something dwarf-related, but it won’t be exactly what’s in the book.

    I wish they had just replaced the pigs with ponies

  • You´re right, its not the same as the RW. But there will be excitement, and that makes me excited!

  • hinesy24,
    Isn’t the dwarf jousting on pigs what they spent the bulk of the SFX budget on this year? I’m sure of it.

    Seriously though, Joff will truly test Tyrion’s tolerance at the reception.

  • Alan Lovejoy,

    The internet went crazy over Arya and the Hound’s hijinks last week. I see know reason why it won’t go crazy over the PW too. Nothing (out of the material from already published books anyway) will top the RW reaction though.

  • Is 53 min enough to do the wedding and the other 3 stories ? (Bran, loser Stannis and more of Theon torture)

  • Okay so I know this has been said before. The creators of this show pay great attention to detail but can someone explain to me why in season 3 in the tent dany fed her dragons raw meat and then in season 4 episode 1 they were eating a raw sheep… i thought they had to cook their food before eating it, or is that just when they are hatchlings?

  • My beef and bacon pie is in the oven, and settling down with a glass of dornish red! So excited!

  • Wow. You can see Jaime’s gold hand in the background of that picture.

    I figured they were going to have to some up with some emergency to get him out of KL for the wedding. Looks like they’ve written him in. Will be interesting to see how that plays.

  • Family and friends are over again outside on the deck…

    Another beautiful Sunday evening in CT. GoT in 1 more hour.

    Life is grand!

  • Apparently AngryGameofThronesfan will be counting the wedding dinner courses to make sure it’s faithful to the book lol!

  • Turncloak:
    Apparently AngryGameofThronesfan will be counting the wedding dinner courses to make sure it’s faithful to the book lol!

    That’s the real reason why GRRM wanted to write this episode…just to describe in detail all the dishes and trays of meat and veggies.

  • Amazing the number of people on this thread who missed the sarcasm of the first several commenters.

  • Nc:
    Seems like it’ll be a pretty uneventful episode.

    That’s exactly what I just posted on my facebook ;)

  • Tyrionisthebest:
    Blourd,

    Why the hell is it so goddamn important for him not to be at the wedding i swear some book purists are so dense .

    I really don’t think he/she meant it in such a fashion…

  • What are your thoughts on Daario New-Haris? I never liked him in the book anyway so I’m indifferent on his recast. Although I would have preferred to keep the old one just for continuity’s sake.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    Alan Lovejoy,

    The internet went crazy over Arya and the Hound’s hijinks last week.I see know reason why it won’t go crazy over the PW too.Nothing (out of the material from already published books anyway) will top the RW reaction though.

    Lady Stoneheart will

  • I think Jaime’s wedding attendance could turn out quite well. Cersei’s going to resent the hell out of him for letting Joffrey die right in front of him. It’ll really highlight the fact that Cersei logic does not resemble our earth logic, because what exactly could he have done about it? Since we won’t have the benefit of Cersei’s paranoid and twisted inner voice, the show needs to start showing her start to go from selfish and cruel to flat out nuts.

  • Nc,

    “Seems like it’ll be a pretty uneventful episode.”

    If we’re judging this by dothraki standards then yes

  • Turncloak:
    What are your thoughts on Daario New-Haris? I never liked him in the book anyway so I’m indifferent on his recast. Although I would have preferred to keep the old one just for continuity’s sake.

    Gotta give him another episode or two before I pass my verdict… for now he just kinda feels like Dany randomly picked up a Westerosi on the way to Meereen. I miss Skrein’s awkward swagger. But I think it’s best to wait until he has a bit more to chew on.

    On longer-form shows very occasional cast changes don’t bother me as much when they happen so soon into an intro, but we may be looking at 70 episodes total for GoT, so the three hours the old Daario was in are kind of a noteworthy piece of the pie. So it feels weird for sure. Ah well.

  • “The cripple, the dwarf and the mother of madness”

    Tyrion Pimpslap,

    they do know his reaction to Joffrey dying in the book was something about wishing Joffrey was a seed that spilled down Cersei’s leg right?

  • actually i am not and instead of trying to make me look stupid why not answer it. they obviously need to cook their meat which is why they rejected dany trying to feed them initially. so im curious if it is something they grow out of. i havent read the books but i own seasons 1-3 on blu ray and unlike a lot of people in my town i bought hbo just for GoT. i know more then you think im just curious. please dont try and make me look stupid… it is a good question.
    DaniSnowBorn,

  • Like everyone who’s read the books I’ve been waiting for this episode for a long time. If you are one of the people who hasn’t read the books then you’re in for the most game changing plot to date in game of thrones. It’s going to be even more so than the last wedding in westeros! I’m counting down the minutes. I’ll finish with this, all men must die, it doesn’t matter who you are.

  • Are any other Canadians watching this depressing documentary that’s playing instead of Will Ferrell as George W. Bush? I hope this screw-up in what’s supposed to be playing when doesn’t translate into GoT not airing at the right time.

  • Nick Legit,

    From what the books say, the dragons’ meat is a mixture of completely burnt and completely raw after they breathe fire on it, so the “cooking” actually serves no purpose, other than fun

  • Rats, the MTV Movie Awards is coming on at the same time. What will I choose?? What will happen to the ratings?

  • I can’t believe Sky Atlantic isn’t showing it at the same time as the U.S. like they did last week, which means not only am I paying for it but I’m going to have to pirate it, cause there’s no way I’m waiting till 9 tomorrow, I’ve been looking forward to this all day.

  • cosca,

    I don’t know. I guess they don’t want him to look incompetent. After all, Jaime does berate the other members of the KG for letting Joffrey be poisoned.

  • Nick Legit,

    Actually, I wasn´t trying to make you look stupid. I was trying to prevent myself from looking stupid by answering a sarcastic question, which is all I could assume because… they are dragons. They are carnivores. Only humans cook their meat before eating it. I´m pretty sure the only reason they put that scene in the show is so they could later show the baby dragons learning to breathe fire for the first time.

  • I really hope jamie isnt aware that his son is going to be poisoned because he is reedeming himself and to know of the plot for his son to be killer and not do anything, that would be a major dick move no matter how evil your kid is. But again i guess we will see when the episode airs tonight.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Jeff O’Connor,

    There is a contingent of fans that don’t want Jaime to look bad for allowing Joff to be poisoned.

    As opposed to killing the king whose protection was his only job, cuckholding the king that pardoned him for that with his own twin sister, fathering a deranged bastard that ends usurping the throne and leading up to a several wars and the deaths of thousands as a result, throwing his host’s child off a window to keep that secret, attacking said host later for something he didn’t do and killing several of his men, fleeing from this (and his duty to guard the king) rather than answering for it to the king to fight an unequally illegal war against said host’s even more innocent father in law on behalf of his own family which he was supposed to have renounced in practice when he became a kingsguard, getting himself captured in a stupid move during the first battle, getting himself captured again after trying to escape in an even stupider move as he was being scorted back to freedom, resulting in the loss of his swordhand, and then turning down the possibility of retirement and opening that position for some other knight that might you know, not completely suck at the job of being loyal and guarding the king as a kingsguard, just so he could keep screwing his twin sister? Oh my, they are right. Jaime being there will ruin his kingsguard track record and make him look like, the worst kingsguard in the history of the Kingsguard. Shame on you D&D.

  • Leo,

    Poor Conan. On his show he even joked about being on at the same time as Game Of Thrones. I wonder if he realizes what kind of buzzsaw he’s walking into?

  • DaniSnowBorn,

    well they arent technically dragons they are wyverns, and i understand they are carnivores but that doesnt mean anything. i thought the lore was they had to cook their food to consume it is all. i dont know how that isnt a good question to ask lol.

  • Eljuma,

    joffrey is his flesh and blood though… thats a little different then killing a king you were sworn to protect.

  • A few random GoT thoughts while we endure this interminable wait for tonight’s ep:
    1. With the new opening map, Dorne is shown – will they add Sunspear at some point? Or at least label Dorne? Will Winterfell always burn? :'(
    2. How will Jaime react to tonight’s events? In the books, he was not yet back at King’s Landing.
    3. Will Bran have a vision? Will we get to see what he sees? I’m excited by the possibilities.
    4. What horrors does Joffrey have planned for his wedding? Please don’t let it be Robb’s head on a spike, as he threatened. How will he torment Tyrion and Sansa?

    Yay, now it’s time!!
    Valar Morghulis, y’all.

  • Paul:
    Like everyone who’s read the books I’ve been waiting for this episode for a long time. If you are one of the people who hasn’t read the books then you’re in for the most game changing plot to date in game of thrones. It’s going to be even more so than the last wedding in westeros! I’m counting down the minutes. I’ll finish with this, all men must die, it doesn’t matter who you are.

    Telling someone that an episode is game-changing pretty much spoils the surprise. This is a huge Joffrey episode. Some Unsullied will figure it out.

    I’m seeing a bunch of untagged spoilers, worse ones than the example. Please consider the Unsullied.

  • Tyrionisthebest:
    Blourd,

    Why the hell is it so goddamn important for him not to be at the wedding i swear some book purists are so dense .

    Not terribly important. Just means they have to make up something for him to do, somehow for him to react, stuff for him to NOT do that his character probably WOULD do, etc. Just surprised they’d buy that additional script work.

  • Hell Yeah!!!! The Bitch King is Gone!! He was speacially spiteful tonight, amazing performance by Jack Gleeson ! Who to hate now? The Mother of Madness Cersei! Hope a Dragon eats her whole

  • Mother of light….I think I just shit myself again…even knowing what is coming…never prepares you to actually see it all. Huge thanks to George RR Martin, Alex Graves and the one and only Jack Gleeson! I bow to you all!

  • Incredible performance by Lena. The smug look on her face when Joffrey was torturing Tyrion was my everything. Then the rage and grief. Wow! I almost felt bad for her and Joffrey. That death was so appropriately brutal. It did not disappoint. It was so uncomfortable to watch. It left me repulsed and happy. Just like that chapter in the book.

  • Apart from the further Stannis character assassination and Roose not using the line ‘don’t make me rue the day I raped your mother’ (or something to that effect) brilliant episode.

  • OMG!!!

    I loved Oberyn in this episode!

    “Lady Cersei”! Threatening her to her face! Man, that was awesome to see. Easily a highlight.

  • I wanted to see Joff’s noggin explode like the dude from Prometheus. Gleeson did a good job, but I wanted a prolonged death for that SOB.

  • A great swan song for jack Gleeson.

    I love the direction, showing how many people could have killed Joffery.

    Could have done without without the dreadfort storyline, tho.

  • Traveling Targaryen:
    The payoff is sweet. Well, what’s the next plot point us Sullied are looking forward to? Lady Stoneheart? Dany escaping on Drogon? Cersei’s walk?

    Stannis! Stannis! Stannis! and Lysa at the Moon Door

  • Oh, and Shireen was awesome too!

    Loved her spunk, throwing down with Mel like that.

    Could give Arya a run for her money, Hope they meet someday (please George)!

  • I liked the episode my mother who’s unsullied said she thought it was boring up until joff bit the dust she was completely shocked.

  • Now we can say purple wedding without spoiler tags. What a relief!

    What did everyone think of the Loras and Jaime scene. It made me guffaw really loudly when Loras said “neither will you.” Nice little addition.

  • To be honest, George might want to think about not writing anymore episodes for the show. My initial thought, I was quite underwhelmed. I think D&D could have done a better job. Also, it’s not a good thing when the first unsullied response on the famous TWOP forum is they think Cersei poisoned him. I’ll need to rewatch, but right now I’d say it didn’t live up to my expectations.

  • Vic:
    Holy ShizWiz…Was that JACK GLEESON singing the Rains of Castamere?

    That was my first thought too, but I remember reading somewhere that the singer from Sigur Ros was covering the song. It sounds like that guy.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    I got to be honest, I thoroughly enjoyed that episode. Every scene. It just felt authentic and like good TV. I completely didn’t remember today that it was GRRM written until you mentioned it, believe it or not.

  • The pie psych-out was the best part of episode.

    Also, was the Jack Gleeson singing during the credits?

  • Awesome! My Unsullied husband cheered!
    Can’t wait ’til everyone is caught up and can discuss it. C u all tomorrow!

  • Phil:
    I bet Shae somehow did not wind up on that boat…or wasn’t on it when it sailed away

    Yep. I’m thinking we’ll find out later that Bronn was paid to turn on Tyrion and he delivered Shae right to Tywin or Cersei.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    Really? I thought that was an incredible episode. Start to finish, I couldn’t point out a single scene that wasn’t well written and acted. The ending was spectacular.

  • Tatters:
    FNF,

    Its funny that it was Grrm himself who did that,
    It is very funny.

    It’s the direction that the show was going. D&D opened the door for that. Do you also think GRRM portrayed Shae as a strong women in the books like D&D (and by extension GRRM in 4×02) do in the show?

  • YES! I’m glad Joffrey is dead is this still spoiler comments? oh well. I’m also happy Jack Gleeson got to act all out this episode, that was like 20 minutes of Jack/Joff.

  • The funny thing is that did a couple psych outs, where i thought not it’s going to happen,but didnt

  • HouseMartellBitches,

    yes, very good scene with her and Mel. I really like that child actress a lot. She’s a stage actress, so is the kid who is the new Tommen (he was Billy Eliot for some years on stage).

  • Is it just me or Bran looks more like Eva Green by each season?
    He’s such a pretty boy.

  • SmallSaul,

    It felt disjointed and boring at times, and the dialogue wasn’t as strong as I’d expect from George. I liked last week’s episode more and thought the writing was better.

  • stannis couldn’t call them traitors and they actually have done something wrong but no he says infidels cause they won’t convert that ruined it for me.

  • Loved the Melisandre/Shireen scene and the Melisandre/Selyse interaction

    And holy fuck, Oberyn is hot in whatever he does. I hope we get to see him shirtless at least.

    Other than that, great last 15 minutes but the pacing of the episode was a bit weird for me. They spent a LOT of time reminding us of how much of a jerk Joff was.

  • Yeah… Bronn totally has been turned by Cersei!!!!! They’re going to stay true to the books in that sense, it looks like. My bet is that Bronn is another character who is written out this season, along with Joffery, Tywin, Shae, Ygritte, the Hound, Lysa … the cast is really shrinking!

    I thought the “Northern” drama set up by the Greyjoys was great! Reek/Theon @ Winterfell was so awesome and dramatic in DWD, i thought.. so excited to see how its being played out on the show. Drama between Ramsay and Jon already being setup as well!

    Thought people would be freaking out after seeing Ned, btw. Was that a flashback from a scene we’ve seen already, or new footage?

  • BRAN! The visuals for his vision-I saw Ned, the three eyed crow, and that Tree! Wow! Also, if anyone on this show deserves a curtain call and a huge round of applause it’s Jack Gleeson! Well done ser! Truly, Well done! Whew! Still processing..

    The North Remembers!

  • It was hilarious, like an episode of Murder, She Wrote – you know, the pre-credits part where the murder victim is a bastard to everyone then oh gosh look they’re dead in the swimming pool! What a shock!

    Debbie:

    I love the direction, showing how many people could have killed Joffery.

  • The wedding was enchanting and breathtaking. I just finished watching the initial broadcast here on the west coast. Definitely worth repeating for a second look later this evening, for the HD version on HBO. I feel like singing !

  • Khal_Rhaego:
    Nc,

    “Seems like it’ll be a pretty uneventful episode.”

    If we’re judging this by dothraki standards then yes

    I’d give it a 33% for eventfulness :)

  • In an interview with Deadline, director Alex Graves has this to say about episode 10:

    Episode 10 of the season is, you know, as David and Dan will tell you, it’s the first true finale they’ve ever done and it’s really the episode to end all episodes. It’s the largest episode they’ve ever made.

    Any ideas what all stuff will it contain?

  • I thought for sure they’d have Sansa making her escape. Probably be the first scene from episode 3. Nice episode, that scene was gruesome to watch.

  • Interdasting. The suspected poisoners from Unsullied I’ve seen are Sansa, Tywin, Dontos. Olenna/Marg aren’t even on their radar.

  • FNF: It’s the direction that the show was going. D&D opened the door for that. Do you also think GRRM portrayed Shae as a strong women in the books like D&D (and by extension GRRM in 4×02) do in the show?

    What was the character assassination? Is it bad that he didn’t want Selyse to be unkind to Shireen? You do realize that he let Mel burn people in the book don’t you?

  • HouseMartellBitches:
    OMG!!!

    I loved Oberyn in this episode!

    “Lady Cersei”!Threatening her to her face!Man, that was awesome to see.Easily a highlight.

    He owned it, and Cersei really brought out her claws too. The look on everyone faces, especially lady Olenna . Everyone felt such love for Joffrey at this momentous affair…………not . I’m just so happy right now. The episode was a success.

  • FNF,

    No, but how is it anything to worry when Grrm is on board?
    When has he ever said anything against ShowStannis?
    Whatever, i don’t want to get in conflict with a StanStan.
    People have perspectives, perspectives and even more of them.

  • zambi76:
    Interdasting. The suspected poisoners from Unsullied I’ve seen are Sansa, Tywin, Dontos. Olenna/Marg aren’t even on their radar.

    God, are these the kind of people who are watching from the show? The fucking preview for the next episode shows the GoT explaining the murder to Marg ffs.

  • zambi76:
    Interdasting. The suspected poisoners from Unsullied I’ve seen are Sansa, Tywin, Dontos. Olenna/Marg aren’t even on their radar.

    God, are these the kind of people who are watching from the show? The fucking preview for the next episode shows the QoT explaining the murder to Marg ffs.

  • Besides the screaming of the final scene, lets make some comments:

    - That Shae scene is really occuping my mind? How she will end up in Twyin’s bed if she is gone to Pentos? Did Bronn get paid to lie (a terrible deviaton from the books? Or she will not be in Tywin’s bed and will do Penny’s role in Season 5/6?

    – Locke in the Wall! Very nice deviation, really liked it, I assume he would be the one who stabs Jon in Season 5/6

    – Mace Tyrel was boring, i liked how Olenna dispises him

    – The whole Dreadfort plot was AMAZING! Loved each second, nice to see Myranda again (continuation is good for the series!)and how they explained well the Moat Cailin situation.

    – I think they should have added a line to the new Tommen these episode, a lot of people didn’t get who was that kid in the wedding.

    – Bran dream was amazing!!! Finally flashbacks!!! So here is the question: the dragon scene was a flashback from Aegon’s days or a foreshadowing?

  • They did an excellent job of writing Sansa out of one of her own POV chapters (and removing all her agency in the bargain, but that was clear from last week).

    The scenes at the Dreadfort were very good, which is a promising improvement from last season. I liked that Locke and Ramsay are buddies and fellow torture enthusiasts. Not really clear why they bothered casting Fat Walda, though, if that was all they were going to use her for.

    Farewell to Jack Gleeson, who did great work bringing a one-dimensional character to life (not meant as a criticism; Joffrey has no layers to speak of, and Gleeson played that to the hilt; I suspect a lot of actors would get frustrated with that sort of role).

  • I liked that Jaime & Cersei were the first ones to get to Joffrey, proud parents that they were.

    I wouldn’t mind having a whole season directed by Alex Graves.

    A very fine show, held up by amazing performances. Gleeson, Dinklage, Turner and Pascal were my favorites. (And woah, Elaria Sand’s getup was amazing!)

  • This is going to make me sound like a horrible fangirl, but since I knew what was coming, the most exciting moment for me was Brienne not denying that she loves Jaime (especially knowing GRRM wrote this episode) haha. I don’t want them to ever act on it or anything, but I definitely ship them, and it was awesome to get some pretty concrete evidence for at least one side of things :P

    Anyway, loved the episode! The Joffrey and Tyrion stuff at the wedding was awesome, LOVED the Dreadfort stuff, Bran’s vision actually got me pretty excited, and I’m definitely pumped to see how the rest of the season plays-our onscreen. They’ve been doing an awesome job adapting it so far!

  • I’d rate this episode slightly higher than the last one.
    The Bran’s visions is intense, it gave me chill hearing Bloodraven’s voice.
    I think I could see him sitting on the throne but I’m not sure.
    Isaac’s being fantastic as usual.
    And the wedding, it followed the book pretty good, Jack Gleeson’s performance is perfect.
    Also they dropped the plotline about who sent the assassin to kill Bran.
    The only part I think could have done better is the Mace Tyrell’s introduction, but maybe we’ll see more of him later.

  • So I have a question…future spoilers So is Shae officially replacing Tysha? Or do people think Bronn lied(aka was paid off by Tywin? Will Shae be who he runs too? If so, wouldn’t that mean Bronn won’t betray him, since he knows where she’s going? I’d REALLY hate for them to wash away all the edges of certain fan favorite characters, taking away Tyrion’s murder of Shae, taking away Bronn’s betrayal of Tyrion….

  • Josh:
    So I have a question…future spoilers So is Shae officially replacing Tysha? Or do people think Bronn lied(aka was paid off by Tywin? Will Shae be who he runs too? If so, wouldn’t that mean Bronn won’t betray him, since he knows where she’s going? I’d REALLY hate for them to wash away all the edges of certain fan favorite characters, taking away Tyrion’s murder of Shae, taking away Bronn’s betrayal of Tyrion….

    I think this confirmed Bronn’s betrayal of Tyrion! Shae’s not on that boat!

  • I can’t believe no one is talking about the “conversation” between Oberyn and Loras! I also loved the use of Jaime in this episode. Planting the Kingsguard seed in Loras’ head, as the subject of Cersei’s conversation with Brienne. And, it looks like he lost his argument with Ser “M” (can’t remember which “M” it was, only that his name starts with an “M”) from last week’s episode…not directly guarding the King, instead on the outside, as it were.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger:
    What do you mean about Sansa not having agency?Dontos didn’t kidnap her. She went with him willingly.

    She had no advance involvement in her escape at all. Getting pulled out by some dude in the midst of a panicked scene with no idea what’s going on is not agency, not that the writers of this show have ever cared about that as far as Sansa goes.

    Incidentally, it can now be said that I was completely right when I guessed based on spoiler that Sansa was being written out of her own escape, which so many people here said was jumping to conclusions.

  • You people sound worried but I am pretty sure Bronn just brought Shea to Tywin. Which just places his betrayal of Tyrion earlier, but for the same motivations. Scenes don’t get written by accident. Tywin asking for Shea to be brought to the tower of the hand, and them -not- showing Shea get on the boat, are not accidents.

  • I think Bronn did put her on the boat, but somehow Varys or someone took her off secretly. He said he wouldn’t lie to Tywin if he asked

    The Bran scenes were awesome. Now we know where the dragons flying over king’s landing in the trailer came from. Also using Dany’s vision of the Iron Throne in the snow is pretty awesome.

    I hope nothing comes of Roose sending Locke to the wall to find the Stark boys and deal with Jon Snow, cause that would be weird and Jon has more than enough people against him already there

  • Josh,

    I thought it was obvious she didn’t leave on the boat. Why include the line where Tywin tells Cersei to have her brought to the Tower of the Hand? That sounded like forshadowing.

  • Regarding Sansa…in the book, she knew that her “friend” was trying to get her out of King’s Landing…just like she knew that Littlefinger was trying to do in the show…but she didn’t know exactly when. So, the fact that Dontos was the one to help her escape in the chaos isn’t any different, really…they just didn’t show him until the last minute. Besides, GRRM is the one who wrote this episode…so blame him.

  • Sean C.,

    How about she decided to go with Dontos right then and there? After witnessing what an utter uber-prick Joffrey was and then witnessing him dying. When Tyrion was blamed, she has to know that things will be even worse for her than before. She could have refused just like she did the Hound, but no; she chose to go with Dontos. Agency

  • Gatorfisch:
    Besides, GRRM is the one who wrote this episode…so blame him.

    Um, no, GRRM isn’t the one who decides how the plotting is done. The producers decided to cut Sansa’s role in her own escape; GRRM followed their instructions.

    Darkstar:
    How about she decided to go with Dontos right then and there? After witnessing what an utter uber-prick Joffrey was and then witnessing him dying. When Tyrion was blamed, she has to know that things will be even worse for her than before. She could have refused just like she did the Hound, but no; she chose to go with Dontos. Agency

    Not in the slightest. She’s a complete pawn in this version of events, standing around while others tug her this way or that. Ironically, that’s what many people who hate her in the books incorrectly accuse her of being, but it’s true in the show.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap,

    GRRM’s name is attached to the episode but none of us know how much was actually his. Showrunners do lots of uncredited rewriting. GRRM didn’t even write much of the episode that was credited to him last year and his original Blackwater script didn’t even have Stannis in the battle so that was obviously rewritten by D&D. This episode is most likely just as much D&D’s as it is his.

  • A great episode! Alex Graves is one of bye best directors we have on the roster. Can’t wait for Michelle McLaren and Neil Marshall! This was a fine piece of television, another addition to what makes this show as great as it is. Sure the Red Wedding was shocking and a great dramatic moment, but the strength of this show is how it continues marching forward and not getting hung on any particular moment. This is a testament to George RR Martin’s storytelling genius and the caliber of the people involved in this show! The cast was just amazing always, but were extra shinny tonight!

    But this episode belonged to the one and only Jack Gleeson! He was another one of the pillars of this show. Just think how long he has been involved with this show, from getting cast, to shooting the pilot all the way to tonight’s moment. To say he has done a tremendous job would be an understatement! Having to embody such a spiteful and hate-filled character as Joffrey Baratheon! A talented young man, who I’m sure will be great at whatever he chooses to do in the future!

    To Jack Gleeson, a bow, a salute and a big thank you for all the years of work he out in on this fantastic show!

    To Joffrey….a big fuck you, good riddance and may you rot in hell!

  • This was the first episode I ever had positive feeling toward Stannis.
    Loved that opening with Ramsay.
    And that face taking us to the credits…awesome.

  • My brother jumped off the couch and started singing “Ding Dong, the bitch is dead!” It was delightful, how happy his unsullied reaction was lol

    WildSeed:
    Jéssica De Freitas Maciel,

    Let us dance in the streets ! I’m taking leftovers to Flea Bottom !

    Maxwell James,

    Were those your fireworks going off next door? Just kidding ! My neighbour actually whooped de whoop out the window , lmao !

  • I was really disappointed. The whole episode could have (should have) been dedicated to the pre-wedding, breakfast, going to the wedding, and wedding itself. It seemed rushed and had none of the depth and tension in the book. Dislike Cersei’s hatred for Pycelle, at least in the books you see its because of his challenging or complaints about Cersei’s decisions, here it just seems spiteful.

    The Dreadfort scene (IMO) was the only good one of the night.

  • Tyrion Pimpslap:
    Josh,

    I thought it was obvious she didn’t leave on the boat. Why include the line where Tywin tells Cersei to have her brought to the Tower of the Hand? That sounded like forshadowing.

    That could be true or they used it to soften Tyrion’s cruelty to Shae while showing how terrible Tywin is.

  • Jack Gleeson rocked it! The closing credits sounded like his voice, a beautiful way to bookend his demise…

    What will the queen do to Brienne? She doesn’t like rivals. What will she do to Shae?

    Parallels w/ the RW. The band plays “The Bear and the Maiden Fair,” “The Rains,” and the mother of the groom screams.

    Parallels w/The Terminator: “Come with me if you want to live!”

  • Random bits

    Ughhhhh brienne x cersei was amazingly awkward. I really hated her (cersei, who could ever hate brienne) this episode, and j usually have a lot of sympathy for her.

    Dwarves! So awkward! Especially the fact that renly was “riding” Loras and stannis Mel. Ouch.

    Slight of hand with the poison. I’m impressed with the unsullied so far – they’ve named almost everyone a suspect! I’m excited to see how explicit things are made compared w the books.

    Bran wanting to be summer – sad, effective, made me hungry for venison yum.

    Very interested to see what happens with Shae.

  • A deviation from the books that intrigues me.

    Theon tells Ramsay & Roose that the Stark boys are still alive. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t believe he does that in the books. As I recall, he tries very hard to forget anything he did as Theon – his point of view seems like if people say Theon killed them, then he did.And Locke is heading for Castle Black, seemingly.
    I’m not that much a stickler for the show copying the books (jar-babies not withstanding) so I’m just wondering how this will play out. Any ideas?

  • Excellent performance from Jack this episode. I’m gonna miss him
    I found the scene with Tyrion and Shae really powerful, usually not a fan of Shae’s actress but she’s great in that scene.
    Also Isaac Wright’s a top notch actor, despite being the youngest main cast. (even though he has grown significantly in this season)
    I noticed that no female dwarf in the jousting scene, so maybe Penny’s either cut or pushed back to later season like the Reeds.
    Speaking of them shame that the Reed got so little screen time.

  • Joff’s eyes at the end…just haunting. Well done. Adieu, Lannister bastard!
    Dontos pulling Sansa away….grrrrr.
    Locke searching for Bran & Rickon….fun!
    Penny’s MIA…..:(
    Alex Graves & GRRM….well done.

  • I think having Joffrey chop the history book to pieces with his new Valerian sword was a fine metaphor for what GRRM (and the producers) might think of the need for the TV series to show fealty to the original source material. This isn’t entertainment, this is a serious subject!

  • Nothing quite like a wedding in Westeros! The music soars, the wine flows, and Death always gets the best seat in the house!

    Jack Gleeson was phenomenal throughout this entire episode (as he has been for the entire series), but he was especially great in Joffrey’s final moments. If he is truly finished with acting, it’s hard to imagine a more memorable way to go out. People will be talking about that scene, and his entire performance on this show, for years to come.

  • I wonder if some people feel extra special when they say well in the books this and that. Starting to sound like those annoying harry potter fags who wouldn’t shut up about the books outside the movie theater. Anyways awesome episode, really intrigued by the the bran visions and I still don’t know who killed that little bastard.

  • The episode is so underrated on Westeros.org…
    TOP 5 easily. I need to rewatch it :)

    Kudos to Jack Gleeson, exceptionnal performance tonight.

  • Is it me or did it seem like Gleeson was singing “The Rains of Castmere” song in the credits?

  • Favorite tweet of the night: “He dead. Like so dead. Like omg dead.” #JoffreysWedding
    Own of the Night: Loras: “Neither will you..”

    The North Remembers!

  • Queenofthorns:
    Random bits

    Ughhhhh briennex cersei was amazingly awkward.I really hated her (cersei, who could ever hate brienne) this episode, and j usually have a lot of sympathy for her.

    Dwarves!So awkward!Especially the fact that renly was “riding” Loras and stannis Mel.Ouch.

    Slight of hand with the poison.I’m impressed with the unsullied so far – they’ve named almost everyone a suspect!I’m excited to see how explicit things are made compared w the books.

    Bran wanting to be summer – sad, effective, made me hungry for venison yum.

    Very interested to see what happens with Shae.

    Funny I thought the same…but there is a reason to her horribleness this episode. In a lot of ways, this day is a low point for her. She’s losing her son and her title, all in one day. These are the two most important things to her. And than the whole Brienne thing happens, where she begins to realize “Wait, she’s after MY MAN/brother” and it’s claws out, because though she is keeping him at arm’s length, he’s still her’s as long as no one else has him.

    Ozymandias:
    The episode is so underrated on Westeros.org…
    TOP 5 easily. I need to rewatch it :)

    Kudos to Jack Gleeson, exceptionnal performance tonight.

    Why are they complaining about it?

  • Really didn’t like this episode, Ramsay over acting his way through another scene, someone should tell him he’s not doing Vicious any more. Tyrion sending away the woman he loves, ah but it’s okay he’s fine the very next scene. The Royal wedding, the biggest event in the Kings Landing calendar resembled a village fate and not a very expensive village fate at that, complete with pantomime dwarfs, no jousting here, literally pantomime. I’d rate this episode somewhere between boring and groan inducing. Worst episode by far.

  • Ahh, so many feels, I feel like singing what Sansa said right after the PW “Joffrey is dead, dead, dead!” Man, what an episode! (started a bit slow, but really ramped up near the end)

    Didn’t like the torture scenes, kinda liked the Roose/Ramsay banter, was bored with Bran’s stuff as usual, loved anything involving Tywin/Oberyn/Ellaria/Oleanna/Margaery obv. Loved Bronn/Jaime. The escape attempt was pretty rushed, and Shae/Tyrion scene was just annoying (I know I should feel sorry for them, but really, get your heads out of your asses already).

    Kind of liked Brienne’s scenes – I’m glad they didn’t cut her out of this. Oh and, Cersei, your jealousy is showing. Same with you Jaime, which brings us to:

    Favourite line (apart from “kof, kof” of course): Hmph, and neither will you. (You tell him Loras!)

    Overall, I’d say that the first half was average, but the last half more than made up for it. So…4/5?

  • After what Joffrey did to Tyrion, I am really glad Joffrey is gone. I not only felt sorry for Tyrion, I felt sorry for Peter Dinklage. The little people in that scene were playing the types of roles Dinklage always tried to avoid. It probably wasn’t an easy scene for Dinklage to do.

  • Wow. The Unsullied (TWOP->Ptv) prime suspect is Cersei of all people ??? And we book folks thought she was to white washed on the show.

  • Am I the only one who thought the directing and editing was clunky?
    The episode didn’t really ever come together for me, I was never really eased into anything, just cut this cut that. I thought that the premiere was much better, had a lot more space to breathe. D & D, I think, have a talent for directing.
    A few more minutes during the wedding feast would have been nice for instance. And, maybe, expanded conversations between characters, not just quips or quoteable snippets here and there. Conversations with substance, like discussing the current political situation in Westeros outside of King’s Landing politics – just off-handedly or something, you know? Also a proper introduction of Mace Tyrell would have been nice, and a proper (re-)introduction of Tommen would have also been nice.
    It was a good episode though, for all the individual things that happened in it. The other scenes outside of King’s Landing were really good, minus, maybe, the actual vision part of Bran’s cheese vision.

  • Josh,

    He mentioned that he was being followed. and it’s a boat he put her on. We don’t know how long he stayed to watch. And boats are slow, could’ve easily been intercepted.

  • Anzah,

    Reek didn’t need to tell Ramsay about Bran and Rickon being alive in the books, Ramsay was present in the Theon / Winterfell storyline the whole time, posing as the original Reek. I’m not sure if he ever told Roose, though.

  • Great episode! I had no idea it was the one written by GRRM until now! I was going to say something about the writter really milking the whole “hate Joffrey, he’s the biggest dick in the realm” bit, but I can’t really say anything if that all came from Martin himself. He is unquestionable in his vision here. It’s his world.

    It looks like the next episode may reach close to the battle of the wall. It showed the wildlings in Molestown, which they burn and pillage, so I don’t think the actual battle will happen next episode, but when it does, we will see Ygritte die. Shae and Tywin are very close to kicking the bucket as well. Should be next episode… Lots of deaths in Book 3… I just remembered that!

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    I liked that too. The Knight of Flowers has been crapped on by Lannisters since arriving in King’s Landing. Kinda nice to see him score a small victory even if it was against Jaime.

  • They killed Joffrey!? What the fuck? … Not only that they gave him a shitty death poisoned at his own wedding?.. He was meant to die bravely in battle with Widow’s Wail in his hand. Man, I am so done with this show. How do they expect to keep viewers if they’re gonna kill off the best character? Ratings will plummet I’m betting. Screw the Iron Throne.. I hope the ice zombies kill everyone.

  • Forgot to add that Jack Gleeson is an amazing actor! Everyone, every single viewer who watched Thrones absolutely loathed and detested Joffrey, and it takes a great actor to make you hate a character that much!

    I remember hearing from someone that Gleeson said he wouldn’t be acting any more after this. Is that true? I really hope not. I know that he gets a lot of nasty comments from viewers who see him in real life, because of the lasting impression of the character (and people’s own stupidity), but he truly is a magnificent actor! He could move on to more great things.

  • Violentos,

    You’re getting ahead of yourself. Episode 9 is exclusively the battle at The Wall and Shae/Twyin will be episode 10 since the end of episode 8 is when Tyrion will be “proved guilty.”

  • I only have one criticism about the final scene:

    It clearly states in the book that Joffrey bloodily claws at his own neck as he’s trying to breathe, and Sansa even has traumatised flashbacks to it later on. BUT he didn’t touch his neck in the show, despite G.R.R having a strong hand in this episode! Why tone down (and shorten) such a big scene? They cut out Cat clawing at her own face for the RW too, perhaps HBO doesn’t like self-harm…

  • must watch episode again, especially last 20 minutes. So many of our characters, interesting reaction shots during dwarf-show and overall bad behavior or Joffrey. Haha Varys gets bumped in the head (his reaction is hilarious)

  • Benjen,

    It’s been a while since I read a Storm Of Swords. I forgot how much time passed between Joffrey’s death and Tyrion’s escape. I thought that Sansa’s escape and Tyrion’s killings were close together. But I could definitely be wrong. Now that I think about it, Tyrion doesn’t flee because he’s suspected, he flees after killing. Makes sense.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger,

    Roose definitely knows in the books.

    In ADwD, Roose asks Ramsay “what do you imagine is going to happen when one of Ned Stark’s sons shows up?” Ramsay then replies that “the sooner they turn up, the sooner I kill them again.”

  • I’m not a big show fan (which I know is likely to get me shunned on this board), but I have a question: Does anyone else feel like D&D are putting way too many of their eggs in the King’s Landing basket? This was especially evident in season 3 and has been evident in the first two episodes of season 4 as well. I know that KL has a lot of the show’s better actors and is at the center of the most intrigue, and I can see it receiving a plurality of screentime (more than any other storyline), but in this season (as during the last), it really shouldn’t be receiving a majority (more than all the others combined). The show’s commitment to King’s Landing has been to the detriment of all the other stories: some, like Jon, Bran, and the Dragonstone crew, have never really been handled very well, and others like Arya and Dany have suffered as well. In the long run, ASOIAF is about the War for the Dawn. Just a thought.

  • WeirwoodTreeHugger: What was the character assassination?Is it bad that he didn’t want Selyse to be unkind to Shireen?You do realize that he let Mel burn people in the book don’t you?

    Yeah, for whatever reason some people have this strong admiration for Stannis. For me he is exactly the same on the show as he was in the books – a dour fanatic with a personality of a lobster.

  • Violentos:
    Forgot to add that Jack Gleeson is an amazing actor! Everyone, every single viewer who watched Thrones absolutely loathed and detested Joffrey, and it takes a great actor to make you hate a character that much!


    I remember hearing from someone that Gleeson said he wouldn’t be acting any more after this. Is that true? I really hope not. I know that he gets a lot of nasty comments from viewers who see him in real life, because of the lasting impression of the character (and people’s own stupidity), but he truly is a magnificent actor! He could move on to more great things.

    He said he won’t continue being an actor, but this has nothing to do with people’s reactions (in fact he said they are massively positive and he likes the attention). However, in addition to giving the world his portrayal of Joffrey, he is actually an accomplished young scholar in Dublin and plans to continue teaching after GoT is over (imagine having Joffrey as your teacher at college). He also said that while he enjoys starring on the show, he is not too impressed with the overall showbiz lifestyle.

  • I don’t get all the confusion about if Shae is going to show up again or not, obviously she is! Either she didn’t get on the boat, snuck off, or the boats intercepted, or she could be brought back from pentos, the list goes on. I doubt bronn betrayed tyrion, personally I feel that Varys could have. Bronn said the only people who knew she was on the boat were himself, tyrion, and varys. Just that morning during breakfast tywin told cersei to bring shae to the tower of the hand later, varys would of probably been given the same order, he can’t just fly in the face of tywin and act like she had somehow escaped the city without his knowing. That’s my theory at least. >

  • Marcin Bartnicki: as

    I think I also read somewhere that he would like to do more charity work in the future and achieve a PhD in Philosophy.
    That makes me laugh so hard after seeing him on GOT

  • I’ll start off by saying I thought it was an excellent episode over all; acting was a tad weak by Jack and (surprisingly) Lena at the end but it was still great. Boltons discussing Jon, reveal of Theon as Reek, Brienne’s silence when asked if she loves Jaime, Joff’s complete dickishness and Sansa’s support of Tyrion, some great lines and most of all Bran!!!! I think we saw a huge change in Bran’s demeanor and that weirwood vision was GOLD. I loved it.

    However… massive, gigantic, HUGE mistake with Tyrion and Shae. Maybe I’m overreacting but I think we’re gonna have a lot of people who hate Tyrion and think he’s a cold hearted SOB at the end of the season.
    OF COURSE Shae would testify against him. Of course she wouldn’t care about having to sleep with his father and she’d even do it willingly to spite Tyrion. Their relationship was rocky and is now completely over; Tyrion said some horrible things to her and completely betrayed her and broke her heart. (Of course this isn’t why people will hate him as we know he said these lies out of love, but Shae doesn’t). I think people will totally sympathize with Shae and book Tyrion absolutely would, too. How could he blame her for “betraying” him and not being loyal to him after he completely betrayed her? He’s gonna look like a completely evil little shit for killing her after she reacted like anyone would.
    What makes her betrayal shocking is that they’re in a happy relationship in which Shae knows Tyrion loves her and that Tyrion mistakenly believes that Shae loves him. Then boom, she testifies against him and sleeps with his father. COLD. Screw Shae. In the show? Nothing wrong with that behavior after what Tyrion’s done to her and the relationship is over. Tyrion will look AWFUL after killing her unless they somehow HUGELY change their plot.

    W t f was that, guys? I can’t believe GRRM wrote that.

    As far as Shae leaving, my bet is that Bronn was paid or otherwise convinced to betray Tyrion. He’s lying and his betrayal will hit home when he refuses to champion for Tyrion.

  • Oh yeah, my only other complaint is that Ramsay’s attractiveness and sanity makes him almost likeable and logical. They’ve also underdone his torture fetish. I get the need for no raping and skinning alive on the show, but I think he’s too much of an OK guy, considering he’s the most psychotic and evil demon in asoiaf.

  • Black_Goat,

    I completely agree. This is how I’ve always felt. I don’t know the end game, of course, but I would bet a ton of money it will be far more Dany/Jon/Bran/Arya oriented than Lannister or KL. Hopefully that will change after this season when most of the Lannisters are dead or irrelevant and other storylines become larger.

  • WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!
    Interview with Alex Graves in Huffpost TV.

    So now Dave and Dan have mentioned it.
    Now Graves says Episode 10 Season 4 will be the biggest thing they have ever done!!
    ;Since we know the Battle for the Wall occurs in Episode 9… they are going to trump that in Episode 10!

    Daznak’s Pit?!

    I am not a book purist at all, but if they have invented something for the show way out of bounds of the books I not sure I go for that since they have at least season 6 to go.
    I don’t like the ‘can you top last season’ sort of thing since that’s a way to kill a story.

    By the by Graves said the Meereen battle next week will be twice as large a sequence as he directed as in S3E4!)

  • This episode wasn’t as good as the first one: The directing was not as good and the pacing was a bit off. The episode felt too fragmented. I’d rate it 7/10.

    The highlight was Joffrey’s demise and Tyrion sending away Shae (she’s becoming a big annoyance, and the actress who plays her is badly miscast), although I suspect she’s not really left on that boat.

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  • Boojam,

    I highly doubt it will be the pit simply because Tyrion will still be in KL in episode ten. There’s no way we’re gonna have him kill Tywin and Shae, escape and make it to Meereen as a slave in one episode – that’s absurd. I know Tyrion’s storyline in DWD isn’t the most thrilling, but it isn’t going to be covered in one episode. The only way they can do the pit is if they completely remove Tyrion from that storyline.
    Also, if they went that way then next season would be Dany’s TWOW storyline, which does’t fit with what everyone else (specifically Victarion and Tyrion) will be doing. I imagine they’re just going to make up a good chunk of material for Dany this season and cover some of her early TWOW storyline next season – not thrilling, but when has Dany’s arc ever been thrilling?

    It surprises me that they said that. I assumed ten would be Tyrion kinslaying and Lady stoneheart for the most part. Maybe jon elected LC or Lysa’s flight? All big moments but no huge action scene. I’m at a loss as to what it might be.

    I am super pumped for next week though because S3E4 was definitely one of the best moments of the series.

    Edit: I forgot to take the title of the episode into account: The Children. If the huge event refers to Bran… not sure what it will be – definitely a huge deviation or TWOW event but if it’s Brans storyline its gonna be incredible. its sort of terrifying how far along they are. Should be plenty of ADOS storylines in S6!

  • Shan:
    Boojam,

    I highly doubt it will be the pit simply because Tyrion will still be in KL in episode ten. There’s no way we’re gonna have him kill Tywin and Shae, escape and make it to Meereen as a slave in one episode – that’s absurd. I know Tyrion’s storyline in DWD isn’t the most thrilling, but it isn’t going to be covered in one episode. The only way they can do the pit is if they completely remove Tyrion from that storyline.
    Also, if they went that way then next season would be Dany’s TWOW storyline, which does’t fit with what everyone else (specifically Victarion and Tyrion) will be doing. I imagine they’re just going to make up a good chunk of material for Dany this season and cover some of her early TWOW storyline next season – not thrilling, but when has Dany’s arc ever been thrilling?

    It surprises me that they said that. I assumed ten would be Tyrion kinslaying and Lady stoneheart for the most part. Maybe jon elected LC or Lysa’s flight? All big moments but no huge action scene. I’m at a loss as to what it might be.

    I am super pumped for next week though because S3E4 was definitely one of the best moments of the series.

    Edit: I forgot to take the title of the episode into account: The Children. If the huge event refers to Bran… not sure what it will be – definitely a huge deviation or TWOW event but if it’s Brans storyline its gonna be incredible. its sort of terrifying how far along they are. Should be plenty of ADOS storylines in S6!

    I think one of the features of the “Children” episode will be that sheepherder with the bag of un-sheep bones. But that’s just me.

  • telobsidion,

    I agree, i don’t want to read the books and spoil the surprise. I will read them later. the T.V. show is outstanding the best i have ever seen. costume design, direction, score and acting. HBO and everyone involved in this should be proud of the production