Director Alex Graves on the complex Season 4 finale, his absence for Season 5, and more
By Lightbringer on in Interview.

Director Alex Graves has been giving some great interviews this week in response to his work on The Lion and the Rose. We’ll be seeing more of his work on Sunday, as well as in the eighth, and tenth episode, which we’ve heard is going to be quite a finale.

In a new interview with Collider, Graves reveals even more about that final episode, saying “there’s a battle in the tenth episode that is so VFX heavy and so complex, even on a feature level, that won’t be done until June right before it airs.”

The interview is quite lengthy and worth the read, covering the more technical side of production, and his other projects. Here are a few Thrones related questions about how the show is different from others, how he put together the final wedding sequence, and why we’ll be missing his work on Season 5.

I’m so anticipating the rest of the season.  Talk a little bit about how making Game of Thrones is different than the other shows you’ve been involved with.  Whether it be in terms of getting revisions the night before of the script or just in general, like the pre-production schedule.

GRAVES: Yeah, it’s very different.  For starters, it’s really like making a ten-hour movie, and I don’t mean that in terms of scale or coolness.  It’s a ten-hour story that is very specific.  Most TV shows are writing the next episode while you’re directing the one you’re doing, and they’re trying to figure out what they’re going to do and they’re putting it all together.  On Game of Thrones they write all ten episodes in advance, and if you’ve done your homework, you’ve read all ten episodes, so you know where you are in the movie.  The task is to make sure that you’re delivering on the subjects, the pre-story and the story to come, which are known, and on many other TV shows they’re not.  I mean, besides- yeah, he was an alcoholic and had a gambling problem, it’s like, “Okay great.” I’m talking about the Kingslayer and the night Tywin Lannister sacked Kings Landing and Elia Martell was killed and other things, there’s so much to know that plays into the major directing.  That’s before you even get into the production of it, which is you fly to Belfast, you prep for about ten days and you start shooting, and that’s short prep, so then while you’re shooting you keep prepping for what’s coming down the pike.  On weekends you’re flying to Croatia to prep, you’re flying to Iceland to prep, and you’re shooting.  You’re going non-stop, hoping and you don’t blow it.

This is also something that I think every fan of the show has wanted to see since they first met that fucking bastard.  So talk a little bit about framing- did you pre-vis that whole sequence?  How did you decide exactly where you wanted dot put the camera for his, if you will, goodbye?

GRAVES: Well I storyboarded the whole thing privately, there’s a lot of storyboarding done on the show, but I just drew my storyboard so that it was almost like a security blanket to know that I wasn’t going to blow it.  So that I knew the build through the vignette into the humiliation of Tyrion into the release of the pie and the turning point when the drink is drunk.  Then from there we brought Rob Bottin, the makeup effects master from The Thing and so many films, Se7en and so on.  He worked with the visual effects team, the multi-Emmy award winning visual effects, who are so talented to kind of pull off the storyboard.  It’s funny because we actually now live in a time where you’re in a meeting where one side of the table says, “Okay, we’ll be doing the blood.”  And the other side of the table that’s visual effects says, “Okay, we’ll be doing the foam and we’ll be doing the veins.”  You split it up, and that intertwining of practical, old-fashioned beautiful skilled effects married with the same in visual effects can now be spectacular enough to kill Joffrey with.

The show got picked up for two more seasons, which I know is a shocker to nobody with the ratings and popularity.  Have you already talked to them about coming back for more episodes?

GRAVES: Yeah, certainly I would like to have gone back, they wanted me to come back, but David Nutter and I have a similar thing where when you do too many years in a row, you better be sure that your wife and kids are not really ready for you to do a third one.  So I’m taking a break this year and I’m going to have some wonderful home time.

The Purple Wedding has been a hot topic this week, but in another new interview with Access Hollywood Graves discusses some of the other scenes in The Lion and the Rose, one that was very emotional, and one that proved to be a lot of fun.

Access: Another scene totally unrelated to the Purple Wedding was the Shae/Tyrion scene. I talked to Sibel [Kekilli, who plays Shae] about it and she got so emotional just talking about it… What did you say to them?


Alex: Yeah, it’s an incredible scene, just starting with the script, and the moment in the book… That was one of my greatest fears in the whole season. Sibel and Peter have brought that relationship to so much more life than is in the books that it was scary, you know, it was terrifying that he was really gonna do it and then, that he’d be able to do it and pull it off. What I did was I set that scene up so that it was lit in such a way that we did it basically in one set up and I was filming them both at the same time, and I didn’t cut and we kept going again and again and the most that I really said was — and I sort of knew this would happen – once we’d gotten up and running, and they’d really kind of gone for it, I went into Peter and said something like, ‘OK, now just get through it because you’ve got somewhere else you’ve gotta be in five minutes.’ And with all the emotion that he has, and Peter is an incredibly warm and loving person, so it was very, very hard for him, he really brought that back into the scene and gave not only [a] more chilling performance, but we said afterward, [an] effective performance. He has got to get her out of there. It’s such an incredible scene. And then, with Sibel, I just basically said – we talked a little bit about how long she should keep it all in and I mentioned — have you heard the story about hitting Bronn?

Access: No. I saw she smacked him on the show.


Alex: Well, I went over to [Jerome Flynn, who plays Bronn] after a couple of takes and I said, ‘Would you be OK if she hit you and of course he said, ‘Absolutely,’ and I said, ‘Take it easy. Let’s do it once,’ and she hit him so hard, and so fast that it was shocking and I went in and I actually regretted saying it and I said, ‘Let’s not do that again. OK, I’m sorry. Let’s just go again, but no more hitting. It’s probably a mistake.’ And so we went again and she hit him even harder.

Access: You got to direct Nikolaj Coster-Waldau and Jerome Flynn together, sparring as Jaime and Bronn. They are both funny guys. Please tell me that was the most fun day on set.

Alex: When you see all the gigantic stuff that was so high pressure, that was like the most fun I may have had all season, because it was like, ‘I want the camera to be here, and action.’ And to film the two of them was a blast and the dialogue in that scene was incredible and that was just fun.

For the full interviews be sure to visit Collider and Access Hollywood.


87 Comments

  1. Isabelle
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:05 am | Permalink

    Great article–poor battered Jerome! : )

  2. cosca
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:06 am | Permalink

    Shame he’s not coming back in Season 5, I think he’s been my favorite director.

    So, he says in the Collider interview that there’s a big, VFX heavy battle in Episode 10. What could that be? I mean, something to do with the dragons being chained could qualify, but that’s not really a “battle”

  3. Isabelle
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    cosca: So, he says in the Collider interview that there’s a big, VFX heavy battle in Episode 10. What could that be?

    A “battle of the fighting pits” could qualify. Nothing on Blackwater or the Wall, but it could technically fit the bill.

  4. Isabelle
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:15 am | Permalink

    Damnit. How do you code for spoilers again?

  5. Mescalinic
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:17 am | Permalink

    Isabelle: A “battle of xxx” could qualify. Nothing on Xxx or the Xxx, but it could technically fit the bill.

    mmm… isn’t more likely that it’s just a mistake, and he meant episode 9?

  6. Brian
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    No way the “battle of the fighting pits” is this season, otherwise Dany has literally nothing in season five.

  7. cosca
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:20 am | Permalink

    Mescalinic,

    Nope. because he didn’t direct episode 9, and i’s very unlikely that they’d move things around for that episode.

    Isabelle,
    But that wouldn’t take a lot of VFX. Unless you mean Daznak’s Pit with Dany flying away on Drogon? Because that’s definitely next season.

  8. Ser Maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:26 am | Permalink

    In regards to the special effects heavy Episode 10 battle, the best idea I’ve heard is that it might be a big sequence outside Bloodraven’s cave, with lots of white walkers going againts Bran warged Hodor, Meera, and children of the forest

  9. Tori Targaryen
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:27 am | Permalink

    Brian,

    Bear in mind, they could write completely new storylines for Dany, so it isn’t impossible

  10. Isabelle
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:29 am | Permalink

    cosca: But that wouldn’t take a lot of VFX.

    They could make it really big and flashy!

    Dragonslayer:

    text without the ? becomes text

    Well this is tragic. Instead of the spoiler button, all I’m seeing is a “?” that reads “about the plugin” when I hover the cursor over it. This browser must be too old, though thankfully this isn’t my normal computer. Will see what the other one does once I’m home.

    Thanks for the help–much appreciated!

  11. Ser Maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:31 am | Permalink

    Ser Maester,

    Ugh, I did that wrong, but for some reason when I try to edit it it tells me I don’t have permission to even though the edit timer is there. If a mod could fix my error and put that in spoiler Text, that be great.

  12. Dutch maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:33 am | Permalink

    He’s referring to Bran’s “fight” with youknowwho and the interference of the CotF, most likely. Spoilers not working so gotta be cryptic here.

  13. Isabelle
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:38 am | Permalink

    Ser Maester,

    That is a wonderful idea. We’ll have to see if we can figure anything out from future interviews!

  14. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:39 am | Permalink

    cosca,
    The first thing that comes to mind would be Bran and co being ambushed by wights and white walkers outside Bloodraven’s cave, and the children of the forest rushing out to help them. That would take quite a bit of VFX, unless they are using a tonne of prosthetic stuff.

  15. wizardeyes
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:47 am | Permalink

    Perhaps David Nutter will be back for season 5?

  16. Somuchforoldtown
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:52 am | Permalink

    Is that Bolton in the background? A battle at the Moat?

  17. cosca
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:54 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu,

    Benioff has said that the scene represents “the highest dollars-per-second cost we’ve had so far”. I can’t see how the COTF fighting the WW and Wights would cost more than the Wildfire scene, for example.

  18. dragonreborn
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:58 am | Permalink

    great insight about sibel kekilli scene!
    at first I thought that the scene was heavyhanded because shae was a very smart character how couldn’t she understand the trick, but then, she is a human being with feelings and she’d been going through a lot of confusion, pittying sansa and serving her as her lover’s wife at the same time and all…

  19. Mescalinic
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:05 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Mescalinic,
    Nope. because he didn’t direct episode 9, and i’s very unlikely that they’d move things around for that episode.

    you’re right. then the only ‘heavy VFX’ battle scene in my mind is… well, i still don’t know how to put spoiler tag in this new site, so i just say related to a cave :)
    but even if that scene can be very complex, i don’t see how it can be more expensive than all the other ‘great battle’ scene

  20. Turncloak
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:13 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Ser Tahu,

    Benioff has said that the scene represents “the highest dollars-per-second cost we’ve had so far”. I can’t see how the COTF fighting the WW and Wights would cost more than the Wildfire scene, for example.


    Actually Bran’s fight with the WW and Wights featuring the CotF has to be almost completely made by fx/cgi. I can see how an extended sequence like that is there most expensive ever

  21. dragonreborn
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:15 am | Permalink

    I don’t think he would name an event such as a certain group of people being attacked as ‘battle’.
    Maybe the wall thing will continue with vfx heavy action in the final episode.
    Besides, I am not that optimistic about CotF scenes. I think they’ll be kept very simple if will be shown at all

  22. Ser Maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    dragonreborn,

    If there’s actually a ton of White Walkers and Children of the forest present and fighting than I could see it counting as a a battle.

  23. Dutch maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:38 am | Permalink

    So, the HBO site schedule has been updated and includes episode 9 (57 minutes): The Watchers of the Wall. Not on. Might be a typo, but it seems unlikely. Great that it’s going to be yet another lengthy episode, though!

  24. cosca
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,

    Why would it be completely CGI? The White Walkers are played by stuntmen in costumes slightly enhanced by CGI, most of the Wights are e extras that have lots of makeup, with a few of the more rotten ones being all CGI. Them getting shot by arrows and set on fire is hardly going to cost more than the wildfire explosion, particularly if we’re talking dollars/second. .

  25. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:02 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Turncloak,
    Why would it be completely CGI? The White Walkers are played by stuntmen in costumes slightly enhanced by CGI, most of the Wights are e extras that have lots of makeup, with a few of the more rotten ones being all CGI. Them getting shot by arrows and set on fire is hardly going to cost more than the wildfire explosion, particularly if we’re talking dollars/second.

    I think it’s a combo of VFX “battles”, including
    1) The fight at BR’s cave, children saving Bron & co. (where is CH?)
    2) UnSullied vs V & R & D, many UnSullied killed/burned, Drogon escaping, before capture and chaining, Dany undone by the chaining/escape of her children
    3) BwB Capturing/Hanging Freys, with the appearance of LS
    4) Nymeria and her wolfpack attacking Lannister troops

    How about that?

  26. Darkstar
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:03 am | Permalink

    Off topic, but good grief. Professor suspended for posting a picture of his young daughter wearing a GOT t-shirt. WTF is the world coming to?

    http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2014/04/report_bergen_commmunity_college_professor_suspended_over_game_of_thrones_t-shirt.html#incart_most-read

  27. Nick_Scryer
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    Exciting! Wonder what that battle in ep10 is?
    White Walkers vs Bran and the Children of the forest?
    Dany’s / Meereenese army vs The Dragons? (Trying to capture them)
    Wildling Mammoths vs Stannis?

  28. Ashara D
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Turncloak,

    Why would it be completely CGI? The White Walkers are played by stuntmen in costumes slightly enhanced by CGI, most of the Wights are e extras that have lots of makeup, with a few of the more rotten ones being all CGI. Them getting shot by arrows and set on fire is hardly going to cost more than the wildfire explosion, particularly if we’re talking dollars/second. .


    No, not completely CGI, but the Blackwater sequence was one big boom then a few enhanced explosions and green slime on water. This would be enhancing many establishing shots including the tree and standing stones from his vision and action shots with multiple points of enhancement all moving around, both walkers and children. The continuity alone is daunting. Imho, this would be far more complex I if it runs more than a minute.

  29. Ashara D
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:19 am | Permalink

    WiC techies: Now I’m not getting a chance to edit when I post from my Android phone either. Still spoiler problems and messed up layout as well. Just fyi.

    Sorry for typos, folks.

  30. Seanathn
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    cosca:
    Turncloak,

    Why would it be completely CGI? The White Walkers are played by stuntmen in costumes slightly enhanced by CGI, most of the Wights are e extras that have lots of makeup, with a few of the more rotten ones being all CGI. Them getting shot by arrows and set on fire is hardly going to cost more than the wildfire explosion, particularly if we’re talking dollars/second. .


    If there are a great number of them doing complex things, you get a great amount of mapping that has to be done to keep the effects where they need to be. Also if the number is high more of them might be made completely from CGI. Where as the big Blackwater explotion was mostly just a massive computer effect.

    Granted I’m not sure that the proposed scene is what he is talking about, I’m sure we’ll figure it out soon enough.

  31. House Mormont
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:40 am | Permalink

    HELP I JUST WENT ON CERSEI LANNISTER’S WIKI PAGE

    Alias: Light of the West, Brotherfucker

  32. Mark
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:46 am | Permalink

    As far as I see, the expensive CGI battle could be one of two possible things: Bran and co. fighting the Others and the Children helping out (makes sense given the supposed title of the episode) OR the chaining of Dany’s dragons. Both of these battles would require heavy special effects, especially the dragons since they are completely CGI. Maybe we will get both – it seems clear that Bran will get to the tree by the end of this season, and that Dany’s storyline is thankfully being sped up. I am pretty sure that the Battle of Mereen will be seen in Season 5, otherwise there won’t be a major “episode 9″ type event. I would bet that Dany’s escape from the fighting pits will take place in the middle of season 5. Hopefully George finishes the Winds of Winter in time for next season!

  33. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:49 am | Permalink

    Darkstar:
    Off topic, but good grief. Professor suspended for posting a picture of his young daughter wearing a GOT t-shirt. WTF is the world coming to?

    http://www.nj.com/bergen/index.ssf/2014/04/report_bergen_commmunity_college_professor_suspended_over_game_of_thrones_t-shirt.html#incart_most-read

    That’s rather extreme. It’s the new “McCarthyism”…(I’m very serious). Due to frenetic media exposure of isolated abuse situations, it has become quite easy to point fingers for those with an agenda in mind. God forbid a teacher/coach pats a kid on the back after they do a good job on a test or on the playing field.

    House Mormont,
    LOL!

  34. Ser Tahu
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    cosca,
    Benioff never mentions a battle in regards to the expensive scene. My guess is that he and Graves are talking about different scenes in the same episode – the highest cost per frame scene: chaining the dragons, the VFX heavy battle wights at the cave.

  35. Troublesome Birdsong
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    Not sure why the spoiler button is gone, but if you type ‘less than’ b ‘greater than’ at the beginning of the spoiler text and then ‘less than’ /b ‘greater than’ at the end, that should work.

  36. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:00 am | Permalink

    Ser Tahu:
    cosca,
    Benioff never mentions a battle in regards to the expensive scene. My guess is that he and Graves are talking about different scenes in the same episode – the highest cost per frame scene: chaining the dragons, the VFX heavy battle wights at the cave.

    Yeah, in a previous interview, D&D stated that they had to meet with HBO to beg for more money for these scenes in ep10. HBO immediately agreed…so I’m assuming that they were impressed with the idea. Should be great…if they finish in time!

  37. David The Grey
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:02 am | Permalink

    cosca: Shame he’s not coming back in Season 5, I think he’s been my favorite director.

    He is absolutely my favorite director. I never noticed directing before until his episodes in S3 blew me away with the character-work (lots of close ups to really display the acting going on with the eyes – just made the work done by the actors really stand out and impress me more than usual!).

  38. Se Maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:07 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    My understanding of the situation is that it wasn’t a ”He’s abusing this kid!” thing, he was suspended because some at the school took it as a serious threat, interpreting ”fire and blood” as an allusion to gun violence.

  39. Darkstar
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:18 am | Permalink

    Se Maester,

    It seems to me that they were just looking for a reason to jerk this professor around because he had made some complaint in the past. They alluded to all of the school shootings nnd how this t-shirt glorifies violence.

    What-the-fuck-ever…………….

  40. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:19 am | Permalink

    Se Maester:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    My understanding of the situation is that it wasn’t a ”He’s abusing this kid!” thing, he was suspended because some at the school took it as a serious threat, interpreting ”fire and blood” as an allusion to gun violence.

    I appreciate the correction. When I stated “abuse”, I really meant “exploit”. We’ve got a similar situation in my town (involving a teacher showing pics of his kids) that got overblown by the district/media…after he complained/picketed about salaries. Sorry for being OT, folks.

  41. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:20 am | Permalink

    Could it be Moat Cailin? We know that that happens in either 8 or 10.

  42. Brad Villane
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    I know they’ve said they aren’t doing flashbacks, but could they maybe be doing the Battle of the Trident?
    Seems like at some point they have to tell the story of Robert’s Rebellion in a more memorable way than “hey… remember 18 years ago when Rhaegar did this”
    Just a thought.

  43. Harry Lime
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:23 am | Permalink

    Brad Villane:
    I know they’ve said they aren’t doing flashbacks, but could they maybe be doing the Battle of the Trident?
    Seems like at some point they have to tell the story of Robert’s Rebellion in a more memorable way than “hey… remember 18 years ago when Rhaegar did this”
    Just a thought.

    Yeah, they clearly came up with the “no flashbacks” rule back when the show was starting out, and they were worried about people understanding things. Now they can trust people to roll with the punches a little bit more. And really, to get any sort of longevity out of Bran’s storyline, they’re going to have to start incorporating them.

  44. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:32 am | Permalink

    Turncloak,
    cosca,

    Even if they are using extras in prosthetics and special outfits as wights and COTF, they would still need a ton of VFX. First aren’t the COTF substantially smaller than men? So unless they found hundreds of short people from the local populace (which I highly doubt), they’ll have to shrink all the filmed COTF extras down. Then they will want to take the dozen or so extras and replicate them to make it look they have a much larger force of COTF. AND all those bodies in motion at the same time, without making it look like they are replicating the same bodies and motion patterns over and over again, ie to hide the replication pattern (it’s harder than it looks, I’ve done some of this kind of thing in animation and 3D world creation software). Then you have to do the same thing with all of the wights (human and animal–I believe there were animal wights in that scene in the book right? A bear or wolf or something…do you remember?). In the first few seasons remember how they only had one guy, Ian whatshisname, who played the White Walker and he rode a wight horse? Well, if there is more than just one White Walker in the scene, odds are they’ll only have one human model for that as well, so again, replication issues. And that’s all IF they use a bunch of extras in the first place. If not, then we’re talking even more VFX.

    Ultimately, I think this scene is the best candidate for what the director is hinting at.

  45. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:36 am | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Yeah, that list would definitely be VFX intense and a helluva a lot of fun to watch.

  46. Summer is Coming
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:40 am | Permalink

    bummed he is not coming back in S5. Would have loved to see his take on Dorne and the Griffs. :(

    He won me over when he did the Tyrion/Varys/wizard in the box scene. The close-up on Varys and the way the camera moves to show him in the mirror when he talks about his ascension in the small council.. brilliant! And the Beric/Hound fighting scene. Jaime and Briennes’s scene in the bathtub. And of course: Dracarys! (*it could have been “Drogon, Dracarys!” but still a great scene)

  47. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 11:53 am | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I never imagined that scene being so big when I read the book. I kind of hope you guys are right now, it could be EPIC. That said, with the fact that there’s no Coldhands being all but confirmed at this point… What the hell are they going to do with Bran this season?! I was expecting the scene you mention to happen around episode 8.

  48. Chríss
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    I like Alex Graves, but he has a thing about darkness. His episodes’ lighting are always weird.

  49. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Yeah, that list would definitely be VFX intense and a helluva a lot of fun to watch.

    I’m secretly hoping for a Nymeria/LS/BwB team up, undoing the Lannister/Frey forces throughout the Riverlands. :) Probably a pipe dream.

  50. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:16 pm | Permalink

    jentario,

    Yeah, it was smaller in the book but it does sound exciting (picturing it in my mind’s eye now). As for Coldhands, I’m not sure he is necessary for the show, although I know how much many want him to be included. In the visions Bran had last ep, the 3-eyed Raven told Bran where to find him and Bran said he knew where to go–if that’s true, he doesn’t need Coldhands to guide him. D&D have been ruthless in paring down the bloated cast of characters so it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for them to write it in order to obviate the part.

  51. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:19 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Ya know LS in the books made me really sad and I wasn’t sure I wanted to see her on the show but now that we’re past the Red Wedding and Walder Frey was so excellently portrayed as a malevolent, backstabbing prick, I’m feel much more accepting of LS and seeing her kick some Frey asses. :)

  52. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:25 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    It is, considering Maisie said that Arya doesn’t warg this season. I don’t remember what the interview was, but I think it was a video…

  53. Alan
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard: That’s rather extreme. It’s the new “McCarthyism”…(I’m very serious). Due to frenetic media exposure of isolated abuse situations, it has become quite easy to point fingers for those with an agenda in mind. God forbid a teacher/coach pats a kid on the back after they do a good job on a test or on the playing field.

    House Mormont,
    LOL!

    If you read the article, this isn’t some huge cultural thing… it’s pretty obvious the administration is using this as a way to get at the teacher in the context of the current struggle between the admin and the teacher’s union at the community college.

  54. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:28 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I know, but what is left for Bran this season? More mindless walking around like in season 3?

  55. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:30 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ:
    Hodor’s Bastard,
    Ya know LS in the books made me really sad and I wasn’t sure I wanted to see her on the show but now that we’re past the Red Wedding and Walder Frey was so excellently portrayed as a malevolent, backstabbing prick, I’m feel much more accepting of LS and seeing her kick some Frey asses.:)

    I understand completely. Since the showrunners didn’t fully explore the relevance of the “Mhysa” title last season, imho, I have a few crackpot thoughts regarding the relevance of the title “The Children”:

    1) CotF saving Bran and Co before meeting BR
    2) Dany’s children getting chained and escaping
    3) LS is the new mother/leader of the BwB (seeking revenge for her children)
    4) Nymeria is the leader/matriarch of the wild wolves (maybe even a mother herself by now)

    Muuuuaaaahhhhh!

  56. Alan
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Other spoiler issues:

    * I’m on Firefox and after I post, my spoiler setting resets (I need to re-click “Show Spoilers.” I have cookies enabled and all that. This is dumb.

    * I can’t show any spoilers on my ipad. The button doesn’t reveal them.

    How do we go from someone’s personal blog to a blog network and get a downgrade in technology? How do you not test something like this on iOS?

  57. Summer is Coming
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:44 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    I think it also refers to the Lannister children. And what they do.

  58. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Summer is Coming:
    I think it also refers to the Lannister children. And what they do.

    Damn good point. Thx.

  59. Benjen
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Could also refer to Tyrion/Twyin scene in that episode..

  60. Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    Hodor’s Bastard,

    Stop it! You’re getting me too excited too early. I want to peak with the show. LOL Seriously though, I REALLY want to see Arya’s connection with Nymeria renewed or at least hinted at so we know it is still there, still possible to reunite them. In the sample chapter released Mercy, GRRM does hint that Arya is still warging in her dreams But if D&D don’t do that in this season or the next, I think that GRRM communicated to them that her ability to do that was not important in the long run. I will have a sad in that case.

  61. Dutch maester
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:55 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I know, but what is left for Bran this season? More mindless walking around like in season 3?

    Apparantly he’s only in four episodes this season.
    - Episode 2: as we’ve seen
    - Episode 4: they “stumble upon shelter”
    - Episode ?: ?
    - Episode 10: most likely WW vs. CotF

  62. Black Dread
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    jentario:
    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    I know, but what is left for Bran this season? More mindless walking around like in season 3?

    Bran only has 4 episode this season according to Isaac. So there’s only 3 left, one being them getting kidnapped to Craster’s keep and the other being the COTF/Bloodraven scene.
    I think the CGI scene is probably the dragon scene, dragons cost a lot of money. But I hope we get to see the Bran/wights scene in its full glory.

  63. Hexonx
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 12:56 pm | Permalink

    Alan: If you read the article, this isn’t some huge cultural thing… it’s pretty obvious the administration is using this as a way to get at the teacher in the context of the current struggle between the admin and the teacher’s union at the community college.

    Agreed. Although if the administration knows nothing about GoT I can see where they might initially have seen it as a threat. However, once it was explained that should’ve been the end of it.

    Reminds me a little of the guy on a plane having to change out of his Princess Bride shirt with the classic line “Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die” on it because it was making other passengers nervous.

  64. Nick
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 1:26 pm | Permalink
  65. WeirwoodTreeHugger
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 1:41 pm | Permalink

    Ha! I just realized that there is possible significance to the 3rd season finale being mother and the 4th season finale being children.

  66. Hoyti Von Totiy
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 1:56 pm | Permalink

    If the next season is going to be

    - Daenerys ruling in Mereen and being bored

    - Cersei ruling Kings Landing and being crazy and bored

    - Jon ruling Castle Black and beeing bored while counting food

    AFFC galore and an incoming snooze fest.

  67. king Stannis
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 2:17 pm | Permalink

    Nick,

    Sounds like made up bullshit. Not buying it

  68. Tatters
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 2:19 pm | Permalink

    adense,

    Doubt that.

  69. wizardeyes
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 2:59 pm | Permalink

    I’m really interested to see how they do season 5. Its gonna hard to top season 4 but there’s loads of stuff I’m looking forward to seeing. Frey Pies, Ramsay’s wedding, Cersei vs Margaery, Cersei’s walk, Barristan’s awesome dragon themed armour, Doran, Arianne, Wyman Manderly, Jon/ Stannis scenes, Jon/ Tormund scenes, Daznak’s Pit, roast Quentyn, more Roose Bolton!

  70. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 3:25 pm | Permalink

    Hoyti Von Totiy:
    AFFC galore and an incoming snooze fest.

    I predict many nightmares and wet dreams. :)

  71. Greenjones
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 3:36 pm | Permalink

    Dutch maester,

    Where on the HBO site does it say the runtimes for the other episodes? Do we know how long all of the ones between now and episode nine will be too?

  72. zod
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 3:48 pm | Permalink

    Greenjones,

    E3: 57min.
    E4: 56min.
    E5: 54min.
    E6: 51min.
    E7: 52min.
    E8: 54min.

  73. Greenjones
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 3:52 pm | Permalink

    zod,

    Thanks! So I guess we’ll find out how long “the Children” is next week. Should have a hefty runtime…

  74. Carne
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 4:13 pm | Permalink

    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,

    Well, only Octavia Alexandru has been cast as a Child of the Forest as we know. I doubt there will be more than one.

  75. Hodor's Bastard
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm | Permalink

    Carne:
    Mrs. D. Ranged in AZ,
    Well, only Octavia Alexandru has been cast as a Child of the Forest as we know. I doubt there will be more than one.

    I believe Octavia is Leaf. Just like Grey Worm is the leader/focus point of the UnSullied, she is the CotF focus point.

  76. Greenjones
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm | Permalink

    adense,

    More likely four or five episodes. She won’t appear in nine.

  77. Grey Ghost
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 5:56 pm | Permalink

    Can’t believe how liberal some people are when it comes to spoilers around here. Ijdgi. There are ways of talking about things or alluding to them WITHOUT just spelling it out n blah. This is why I am fully sullied, in fact I smear myself with it everyday. But yeah, I was unsullied once too n got spoilt so I avoided the net stuffs n lived in the books till I was in a position to research, speculate, ETC! Both sides need to try harder lol. Ice and Fire! Neutralised.

    Anyway noobrant over :P This dood seems cool. He looks the part too they should give him a cameo at some point.

    Rawr

  78. JP Dayne
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 6:03 pm | Permalink

    this guy was able to fix a lot of textual mishaps from D&D with emotion and visual communicaction. that made him my favorite director on that show.
    that being said, I don’t think I’ll miss him for S5. It’ll be a snorefest anyway.

  79. JamesL
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 7:05 pm | Permalink

    So Bran is only in 4 episodes? I know some people are probally happy about that but I like Bran and would like to see more scenes with him and Jojen. I really hope they discuss the Children of the Forest before they show up in the finale. Does anyone think they are wrapping Bran’s storyline up, at least for a while. Now that he is in the cave with Bloodraven I think it is unlikely he leaves and most likely won’t have much to do until the end. I won’t be surprised if we don’t even see Bran next season.

  80. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 7:42 pm | Permalink

    adense,

    They have a lot to cover from ASOS after the sacking of Meereen. Check this:
    -Dany deciding to exact revenge on the slavers. This is enough for an episode, surely.
    -Dany’s love triangle with Jorah and Daario (we know that Daario and Dany have “a little something something” this season)
    -the dragons eat some fried children. Well one. And Dany reacts.
    -Dany chains the dragons and Drogon flies away.
    -Dany holds court in Meereen, meeting with Hizdahr perhaps (we know the Throne room will feature a lot this season).
    -Dany finding out about Jorah’s betrayal and banishing him.

    There is definitely enough there for 4-5 episodes. It wouldn’t even be slow-paced. I don’t see how you presume they can fit all of ADWD in there, let alone how many issues it creates in chronology for season 5 such as getting a bunch of characters to Meereen in time when the extent of Dany’s arc is already over. I am sorry, but we are clearly going to have to suffer a whole nother season of Meereen in season 5, and maybe even a bit more in season 6 for the battle.

  81. jentario
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 7:47 pm | Permalink

    JamesL,

    There are a bunch of cool visions to see, and Bloodraven teaches Bran quite a lot in that one remaining chapter (how to warg ravens and how to see the past through weirwoods). Add to that some original scenes, and we can see Bran appear in around 4 episodes. I think completely abandoning that storyline would absolutely suck since it’s really interesting and gives them the opportunity to tell some important backstory with artistic flashbacks and visions. Also, Bran will be one of the most important characters in the end game- it will be a shame for him to just disappear. Maybe in season 6, he can vanish for most of the season, but there is more than enough important material to carry through season 5 (for around 4 episodes, which really isn’t much).

  82. leaf
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 8:31 pm | Permalink

    This site cannot even be viewed on my iPhone (half of it) which is how I usually get on. Is this going to be fixed? I can only imagine how many people are leaving the site.

  83. Carne
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:05 pm | Permalink

    leaf,

    I’ve notiched there’s a big decline in comments.

  84. outdoorcats
    Posted April 18, 2014 at 9:32 pm | Permalink

    I’m sort of wondering if Stannis’ to the rescue will be saved for the finale. I’m not even sure how that would work, especially given Kit’s recent comments that his storyline will end with Jon making a ‘cold’ decision, suggesting they would be working all the way into ADWD material with him, I thought. Even if the finale were 90 minutes and Jon-heavy it’s hard to imagine them fitting that, Stannis offering to legitimize Jon, the election, and some post election stuff in one episode. Yet by process of elimination not a lot else makes sense. There are some interesting suggestions above involving scenes not from the books; but I doubt they’d spend their biggest bucks yet on a scene not from the books. Too risky. Or not?

    Seven hells, we have no idea what’s going to happen in the finale. That honestly makes me excited. Keep me in the dark!

  85. Paul
    Posted April 19, 2014 at 6:39 am | Permalink

    Chríss:
    I like Alex Graves, but he has a thing about darkness. His episodes’ lighting are always weird.

    I agree with that, I thought Blackwater had to much happening in darkness that could have been lightened a little and still appeared as night.

  86. zod
    Posted April 19, 2014 at 6:45 am | Permalink

    Paul,

    Alex Graves didn’t direct Blackwater.

  87. Tyrion Pimpslap
    Posted April 19, 2014 at 5:37 pm | Permalink

    Carne,

    I think the increased amount of articles has brought down the number of comments too. What’s strange is the site has worked fine on my Iphone,tablet, and laptop. The only issue I have had is with the ‘show spoilers’ feature.


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